1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:19,559 Speaker 1: At a. 2 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 2: Book. 3 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:29,799 Speaker 1: If you listened to last week's show, you heard Carl 4 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,200 come on and talk about some horrifying experiences he had 5 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:38,040 down in Central America about forty five years ago or so. Well, 6 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:40,799 the encounters took so long to share, we didn't have 7 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,200 enough time for me to ask any questions about those experiences, 8 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,319 So luckily he agreed to come back and answer some 9 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,480 questions for me tonight. Having said all that, let's welcome 10 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,319 back in here now, Carl, thanks so much for coming back. 11 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,159 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Vic. 12 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,519 Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time, Carl. Since we had that conversation, 13 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,400 you uncovered a lot of things that weren't easy to 14 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:08,560 think about. Did you have a lot of trouble with 15 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,159 sleepless nights since that last conversation or did it go 16 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,400 fairly well. 17 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: I had some sleepless nights after our conversation kind of 18 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,439 brought everything back up to the front again, and my 19 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,319 wife helped me through some of it, and I saw 20 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,120 and talked to a priest about some of what was 21 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:34,080 going on in my mind. It was basically some nightmares 22 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:37,960 and some PTSD revolving around not only the dog men, 23 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,919 but also some of the things I was involved in 24 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,800 down there that I kind of questioned my own faith 25 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,520 on I can't believe I did some of that stuff. 26 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,080 But anyway, the priests helping me work through that, and 27 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,159 you and my wife have been helping me with the 28 00:02:55,199 --> 00:03:00,479 dog men. And to be honest, I think is to 29 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,159 be spoken, I'm probably more afraid of the men in 30 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:06,439 block that I am the dog man. 31 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:11,479 Speaker 1: Well, I can understand that. And you just mentioned your wife. 32 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,800 You sure do have one heck of a support system. 33 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,599 She sure sounds like a great woman. 34 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: Oh she is. She's wonderful. And as far as being wonderful, 35 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,599 she was a Baptist teacher for many years and she's 36 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,879 very well written the scriptures. And basically after my dying 37 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,360 and seeing starting to go to Hell as a wake 38 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:39,159 up call that even though I believe so strongly in 39 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,560 Jesus and he's my savior, as I found out from 40 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,479 talking to the priests this week, you're not being able 41 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,960 to believe that Jesus could forgive me for some of 42 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,800 the things I did in the interrogations. Well, that shows 43 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:59,080 that even though I say I believe in Jesus, I 44 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,319 don't wholeheartly believe in the powers of Jesus. If I 45 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,919 can't believe that he can forgive me, so he goes 46 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,120 That's probably was the warning from God that, well, you 47 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,800 think that you fear God and you believe wholeheartedly in Jesus, 48 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,720 you must not believe in his power completely. 49 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: Wow, that's powerful. I'm so glad he told you that. 50 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,399 He's right. Your wife is obviously a very religious lady. 51 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:29,279 I know she's brought you closer to God. But did 52 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:30,839 your encounters have any effect on that. 53 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:38,079 Speaker 2: No, I don't think at the time the encounters didn't 54 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:43,040 have any effect on that, because I never really saw 55 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,240 anything supernatural in those things. When I was introduced to him. 56 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,680 I mean the very first moment I saw him through 57 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,560 a spotting scope, I was like, I couldn't believe what 58 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,120 I was seeing. I was I was like, I'm being 59 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,759 on a set of a movie. These things are not 60 00:04:55,759 --> 00:05:01,439 not supposed to exist. And then the more we saw 61 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,439 the way they acted and they were you can tell 62 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:08,800 they were a primary predator, an apex predator, and you 63 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,279 see how cunning they were and how they could actually 64 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,120 learn to learn to live off of the violence that 65 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,040 was going around going on down there so heavily, with 66 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,120 such just an unending supply of food when you consider 67 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:26,560 how many people were being killed on a daily basis 68 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:32,839 down there, and just kind of didn't say anything really 69 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,439 so much supernatural in that as I saw them as 70 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,519 more or less animals. And after we overwatched that one 71 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,040 time killed that one with a shot through the eye, 72 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,560 socker were like, Okay, well, these things are sort of 73 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,240 like a grizzly bear. You know, if you want to 74 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,959 bring a bear down, a headshot is the way to 75 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,560 do it. And we kind of thought of it that way. 76 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:57,319 But as I got a little older and so forth, 77 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:02,519 and been through some other bad stuff in my life, 78 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:06,839 it's kind of turned out that I became a stronger 79 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:10,160 believer in Jesus. And I saw how many times Jesus 80 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,600 had been with me, and I truly believed that my 81 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:15,480 entire life that I'm never alone because Jesus is with me. 82 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,680 And that helped me down there, and I didn't really 83 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,759 see that he was saving me from a dog ben, 84 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:28,639 but looking back, I'm sure he was. So I would 85 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,480 have to say at the time, no, that didn't make 86 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,800 me a stronger believer, But as time goes on, yes 87 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,160 it did. 88 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:38,519 Speaker 1: Well, that's great, that's really good news and for you 89 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:41,680 to live through so many experiences he had down there, 90 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,160 you must have had some kind of help at least 91 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:44,839 in my opinion. 92 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,319 Speaker 2: Well, right, I had divine help, because, like I say, 93 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:52,959 we lost a good number of people down there that 94 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,319 were in our squad and they just being surrounded by 95 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,240 death everywhere. And to walk out of it was it 96 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,560 was a good thing. And something else that I obtained 97 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,319 down there that was kind of a little gift is 98 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,560 I shouldn't say it was a gift, it was. I 99 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:17,279 was injured by an RPG down there, and it really 100 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:22,319 really hurt my hearing bad, going off on the wall 101 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:28,120 right behind us and actually killed my body, but it 102 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:31,480 threw me down and knocked out a bunch of my hearing. 103 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,199 After recovering a couple of months stayside and being able 104 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,519 to go back, I had lost enough hearing that I 105 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:43,439 could no longer hear the infrasound. From what they taught 106 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,360 us that these things produce an infrasound if anybody doesn't 107 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:50,319 know what it is. The big cats like lions and 108 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:54,519 tigers and hippos and elephants and all these type of 109 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,199 animals that can make a big roar a lot of 110 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:03,199 times what's in that roars hidden hers of wavelength of 111 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:07,439 hearing that can cause inhumans or in prey whatever they're chasing. 112 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:12,319 It can cause paralysis, the fear of paralysis. It can 113 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:19,120 cause nausea, cause feelings of unease, and a lot of 114 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,600 times people say they feel a severe feeling of dread 115 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:25,720 or they couldn't move, they felt like they were walking 116 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,879 in lead. Well, that's caused by infra sound. And the 117 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,080 fact that I lost that part of my hearing was 118 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,440 actually helpful to me as far as finishing the rest 119 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,799 of it down there, I want to say, I had 120 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,360 like a year and a half left. 121 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: Wow, I'm so sorry to hear that happened. Yeah, I 122 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,279 didn't know that. You never told me about that. 123 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: And it just. 124 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: Doesn't seem fear. These things have so many advantages over us. 125 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,639 It's not like they needed another ability that would give 126 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:57,360 them the edge, but that infrasound ability clearly does. 127 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: I say. That's why I think that a lot of times, 128 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,720 I'm not saying that they'll never hurt people, or though 129 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,279 they wouldn't haunt people, I mean, maybe they will. There's 130 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,679 cases of what I'm sure, but a lot of times 131 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,440 they play with us like a cat plays with a 132 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:15,960 mouse and then when they get tired. How many times 133 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,480 you've seen a house cat just turn around and walk 134 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:20,919 off and let the mouse run away. They're tired of 135 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:26,039 playing with it, and they, like they said, they're kind 136 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,159 of an arrogant predator. And the fact that they know 137 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,120 that they're the top alpha predator, just like a lion 138 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:35,000 out on the plans in Africa, that uses in for 139 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,679 some they can actually paralyze their tray momentarily. I mean, 140 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,399 they're so big and strong and fast with claws and teeth, 141 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,240 they really don't need the one more advantage, but nature 142 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:47,440 gave it to them. 143 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely don't need any more edges. You're right. 144 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,000 Earlier you said some things that gave me the impression 145 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,200 that you don't believe that they're supernatural beings. And if 146 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,279 that's a case, if they're not supernatural beings, why do 147 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,600 you think it was that you had that encounter state 148 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,600 side after you came back on that pool off that night. 149 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,039 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, Vick, I'm not sure 150 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,360 if they're supernatural or have some supernatural abilities or something 151 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,279 supernatural about them. I'm as centers of the question. I 152 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,519 mean back of the time. During the first time I 153 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,960 lived through that in down in Central America, I had 154 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,919 thought that they weren't supernatural, they were just some kind 155 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,759 of an animal and that we were dealing with because 156 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:39,759 we were able to kill them. But the older I 157 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,480 get looking back and hearing some of these things, there 158 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,240 might be something about them and supernatural, because it's just 159 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:51,080 amazing how they how well they understand the human being. 160 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:54,120 I would almost have to say when you look in 161 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:57,639 their eyes and you see intelligence in their eyes. And 162 00:10:57,799 --> 00:10:59,919 I don't mean intelligence like your dog or your cat. 163 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,399 I mean it's like looking at a person looking back 164 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,720 at you. And just because we don't speak the same 165 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:09,799 language doesn't mean that they don't understand the human better 166 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,159 than the human understands itself. So, oh yeah, I would 167 00:11:14,159 --> 00:11:18,559 say there might be something supernatural to them, and we 168 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,840 just haven't found out what yet. And we're approaching a 169 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:27,360 species that's foreign to us. So and there's been so 170 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:31,200 many different types as well as different types of encounters, 171 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,919 it's hard just to draw a line down the middle 172 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,159 and say, yes, this is it. 173 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: Oh definitely, yeah. I couldn't agree more and understand. I'm 174 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,759 not trying to say that you're right about this, You're 175 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:46,840 wrong about that. I'm just posing questions for you that 176 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,639 maybe you hadn't thought about this or that in a 177 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:53,879 particular way. So by posing this question or that question, 178 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,000 it might open up thought passages and routes that maybe 179 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:00,840 hadn't gone down before. So just wanted to make sure 180 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,159 you understood that it is awfully ironic that here you've 181 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:07,159 had all these encounters down there in Central America, and 182 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:10,759 then after you come back Stateside, years and years later, 183 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,360 you have another encounter. What are the odds of that? 184 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,559 So yeah, that's why I asked you that question. But 185 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:19,960 let's talk more about your wife. When did you tell 186 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,600 her about your dog, mean, the encounters for the first time, 187 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:24,679 and when you did, how did she respond? 188 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, I want to say the first time was probably 189 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,960 two years ago, and that was just because I was 190 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,039 I was speaking out a lot when I was sleeping 191 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:43,759 because I had PTSD for years, and most of the 192 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:47,039 time she couldn't understand me. But I guess it was 193 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,000 probably maybe two years or a little over two years ago. 194 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:53,639 She could understand my dreaming a lot better or hear 195 00:12:53,919 --> 00:12:57,159 what I was saying, what I was talking about, and 196 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:00,240 she overheard me on a telephone call than a couple 197 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,320 of days later, when I was talking to my one 198 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:06,399 buddy that lives in Illinois that had gone you know, 199 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,279 was one of my squad team members. Anyway, after I 200 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,399 got off the phone, she goes, there's something you like 201 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,559 to talk about. And I says, well, yeah, I said, 202 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:17,879 if you heard any of that, And she goes, well, 203 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:19,919 it's been longer than that, And I said, what do 204 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 you mean. She said, well, you've been pretty vocal when 205 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:25,679 you're sleeping and cooking all the covers off the bed, 206 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:28,600 and she was I got up and sat in the chair, 207 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,559 So the figure going to hit me while you were sleeping? 208 00:13:32,159 --> 00:13:36,200 And she said, well. I told her then about the 209 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,960 dog men down there, what i'd actually seen. And I 210 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,159 didn't go into detail about a lot of the things 211 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,480 to day, that's between me and Jesus. But I did 212 00:13:49,159 --> 00:13:52,679 tell her about the dog men and about them eating 213 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,240 the dead and following us around, or following the rebels around. 214 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,000 Is knowing that there was going to be a gun back, 215 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,279 they'd stay back in the in the jungle far enough 216 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,840 that they'd wait for the humans to leave, and then 217 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:12,759 they'd swoop in and they'd start eating. So she was 218 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:19,360 kind of mortified, kind of couldn't believe it at first. 219 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,600 She I mean she believed I told her. She goes 220 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,879 she was like, oh my god. She goes like demons. 221 00:14:25,919 --> 00:14:27,799 And I said, well, I said, you look back at 222 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:29,600 it kind of like demons when I look at them 223 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:32,919 at the time, and still do. I guess they were 224 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:38,039 just animals. And she goes, what started off so bad 225 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:41,480 that you remember these things? I said, Oh, that's when 226 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,159 I walked in and you're a girlfriend was staying with us, 227 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,720 and she was watching that movie about vampires fighting were wolves. 228 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,480 I don't know what the name of the movie is, is 229 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:56,000 some famous movie, but anyway, Underworld, Underworld. I said, yeah, 230 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,240 some of the werewolves we dealt with down there looked 231 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:03,279 similar to the those I mean, not exactly, but they 232 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,279 look similar. And I said, seeing droves of them attacking 233 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,039 people and eating dead people, I said, they kind of 234 00:15:10,919 --> 00:15:12,639 just brought it right back to the forefront of my 235 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:17,080 memoir of my dreams, my everything. And so I told 236 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,720 her the whole thing then and there, and after that, 237 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,399 we'd gone back to the Midwest, and we swung through 238 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,720 Chicago and visited my one buddy and his wife, and 239 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,879 he'd told his wife years ago, and let he started 240 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,480 talking about it, and because his wife asked, did Carl 241 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,159 tell you the same stuff? And she's like, yea, And 242 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:45,519 it matched word for word with what her husband had 243 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:49,519 told her. She's like, oh my god. She goes, she's 244 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,320 hard to believe that things like this on earth exist. 245 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Then my wife goes, yeah, she goes. But sometimes with 246 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,440 as close as some of these monsters aren't TV it 247 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,679 makes you want wonder if the people that designed these 248 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,720 things or write these stories might have had an encounter 249 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:05,240 of their own. 250 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: She's got a point. Yeah, it does make you wonder. 251 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,799 Does she seem like she wanted to go hide someplace 252 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:15,320 to unpack all the things that you shared with her 253 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:16,840 about dogmen when you did? 254 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, she kind of. It took her a couple of 255 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,759 days to decompress. And I was really worried after I 256 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:27,120 told her that stuff, and she was, why didn't you 257 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,840 tell me before? When I saw because I I didn't 258 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,159 think you believe me. I mean, it's it's it just 259 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,639 sounds so far fetched, like some made up story. I said, 260 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:40,879 didn't think you believe me? I said, I didn't ever 261 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,559 want to create doubt in your mind about my sanity. 262 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:48,679 Speaker 1: All those concerns are definitely understandable. But you have the 263 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,559 experiences that you had, and I'm so glad you got 264 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:54,679 her in your corner. Thank goodness. How much harder do 265 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,080 you think it would be for you to deal with 266 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,159 all those experiences with dogmen if she wasn't in your 267 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,759 life helping you the way she has, Oh. 268 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,519 Speaker 2: It would be harder. I'd still be questioning my own 269 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:12,440 sanity and probably suffering from the PTSD that I did. 270 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,960 I mean, that's kind of really gone down a lot, 271 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,599 and some of the stuff that I have now is 272 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,519 more is more interrogation related than it is the dogman related. 273 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:29,480 But I have this one dream sometimes at night that 274 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:34,319 I'm in a totally white hallway and I'm chasing this 275 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,839 little dogman down the hallway, a little one, and I'm 276 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:40,240 trying to step on him before, you know, to wipe 277 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:43,759 him out. And as I'm chasing him, he's getting bigger 278 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:46,480 and bigger and bigger, until we get to the end 279 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,279 of the hallway and he's huge, and then he chases 280 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,680 me back down the other way, trying to get me, 281 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:56,359 and we go back and forth like that, and you 282 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,240 wake up and you're so tired. It feels like you 283 00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:01,440 haven't slept at all. And the wife will tell him. 284 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,240 She'll go to me, She'll say, well, what were you doing? 285 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,480 She goes, you must have been running somewhere, and I says, 286 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,640 I was chasing a dog man down a white hallway. 287 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,640 She goes, why would you chase one of those things? 288 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,559 I said, because it was little and I was trying 289 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,319 to step on him before he got big. And then 290 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,799 he turned around he was huge and was chasing me, 291 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:22,559 trying to eat me before we got into the hallway 292 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,599 and I got big. Doesn't make any sense, but that's 293 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:26,400 what the dream is. 294 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it must be like to 295 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:32,119 have a nightmare like that to look forward to, because yea, 296 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,440 it sounds like that's a nightmare you've had time after time. 297 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,839 That's not good. Have you given your wife any instructions 298 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,880 regarding what to do if she has an encounter of 299 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,279 her own at your farm when you're not there. 300 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: Carl, Yeah, Basically I told her the same thing that 301 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,319 they taught us in the training down there, to kind 302 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:54,839 of look down a little bit, keep your eye on it, 303 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,720 see to see what it's moment. Start look down a 304 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:01,319 little bit and back up slowly and moving forward to you. 305 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:06,440 Just keep backing up slowly, and they don't they're not 306 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,880 afraid of the light, but they really don't like light. 307 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,319 And we've got motion detectors on our barns and our 308 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:15,559 motion lights on our house and our barn says, get 309 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:20,119 back into that circle if you can to where the 310 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:25,000 head the big lights come on, and then keep backing up. Now, 311 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:30,880 she always carries just like I do. And I've got 312 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,279 a real lumin touch light on her pistol too, so 313 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,720 she can just touch it and it goes on super bright. 314 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:41,079 I told her the same thing. I said, if you 315 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:43,839 ever have to, if you feel that the attack is imminent, 316 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,240 I told her to shoot it in the eye, not 317 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,599 to screw around. If it goes down, get away from it. 318 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,559 You lock yourself in the house, I told her. First 319 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,240 first thing is try to lock yourself in a vehicle. 320 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,039 Are in the house. Because we live on the country, 321 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:06,119 our keys are always in all of our vehicles. I said, 322 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,079 get in there and just get away from the farms. 323 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,000 Fall possible. 324 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: Well, it goes with that, saying, I sure hope that 325 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,559 never does happen. 326 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: I hope not too. But where we're at there, there 327 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:19,599 have been some dog quite a few dog men signings 328 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,720 and throughout the state we live in. 329 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, there have been encounters all over that state. When 330 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,039 we recorded last week's show, Carl, you told us how 331 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,480 you're raised not to believe in anything supernatural or pureanormal, 332 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:35,400 other than to believe in Christ and God. Do you 333 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,160 think being brought up like that hindered your ability to 334 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,720 deal with coming to the realization that dogmen't exist or 335 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:42,920 was a non factor. 336 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: I think it was kind of actually a non factor. 337 00:20:46,519 --> 00:20:50,079 I mean, because my grandma taught us all kinds of 338 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,440 superstitions and beliefs, and because she was very much into 339 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,720 the spiritual world and a strong believer in Christ. But 340 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:02,240 also like she always taught us, there's an opposite for 341 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,359 everything in the world, and there's an opposite for Jesus, 342 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:09,359 and she said, that's what you have to be careful 343 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,039 not to bring upon yourself. And Dad was the one 344 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:14,960 that was had no time for any of that. We 345 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,720 had so many chores to do that there's no time 346 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:21,039 for sitting around watching monster movies or telling the spooks 347 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:24,359 stories of the campfire. You know, He's like, you got 348 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,519 time for that? We can get some more work done today. 349 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,279 And I think that kind of made a non thing 350 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,799 because the first time I saw those things, I couldn't 351 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:38,279 believe what I was seeing. But at the same time, 352 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,440 I didn't take them as anything other than some other, 353 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,319 some kind of strange animal. And you had to remember, 354 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,079 half the stuff I saw down in South America I 355 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,039 had never seen before. I was just some old country 356 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,599 kid from up North America. And down there we had 357 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,599 you know, he had crocodiles, he had taper, had got 358 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,200 only kind of they had birds all over the place 359 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,920 that you only saw in zoos, you know, back up 360 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,200 in the States. And so, I mean, I just thought 361 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,359 it was one more kind of kind of strange thing 362 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,519 that you know, was just learn about. So I guess 363 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,799 I'd have to say that was really kind of a 364 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,960 non thing. It's not until I've gotten older now and 365 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,079 done a lot of soul searching and done some research 366 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,079 on these things since I started talking to you. I mean, 367 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,920 I've done more research on these since I started talking 368 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,400 to you. Were slightly before than the rest of my life. 369 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,559 I just kind of kept following the back of my 370 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,440 mind and hoping that a lot of my memories would 371 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:41,880 go away. 372 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad you did all that research, because 373 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,920 the more you know about what you fear, the less 374 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,759 you fear it. So that's a good thing. It definitely is. 375 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,319 When you were briefed on the rules of engagement, you 376 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,720 were told that the dog men wouldn't harm you if 377 00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,599 you didn't threaten them. After what happened to that man 378 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,119 on your patrol, how sure are you that that's accurate 379 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,440 information about them now? 380 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,279 Speaker 2: Well s, Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know what 381 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,400 he did if he tried to drop a beat on 382 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,039 one and that set it off, or was that a 383 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,240 rogue dogmen? I think it might have been a rogue 384 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,440 is the reason LT gave Overwatch to go on the 385 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,359 green light to go ahead and take it. You know, 386 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,640 we were not allowed to fire on those things, and 387 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,799 here he had Overwatch take that one though. The one 388 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,079 that we nicknamed, we used to nickname him the Dude, 389 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,079 just because he was dark black, but he had kind 390 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:39,799 of a grayish edge on the maine on each side 391 00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:41,640 of him. He looked like he was one of them 392 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,799 old famous movie stars wearing a tuxedo. So we used 393 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,240 to call him the Dude, you know, Like I said, 394 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:50,359 we had little nicknames for all of them. And the 395 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,480 little brown the little brown one that was kind of 396 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,480 a lot skinnier, and his hair looked like you give 397 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:01,160 it a rite inside of a dryer oil or something. 398 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,640 The native one down there, we used to call that 399 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,880 one Grandpa, because it had some heir in his face, 400 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,240 but not not much like it lost a lot of 401 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,799 its hair in his face, and so we used to 402 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:13,640 call it Grandpa. 403 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad you came up with all these names for them, 404 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,359 because that's another good tactic to compensate for all the fear. 405 00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:23,759 Why do you think it is that so many eyewitnesses 406 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,160 have been caught dead to rights by these things, carl, 407 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,160 but allowed to leave their encounters without suffering as much 408 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,960 as it scratch. 409 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: Well, Like I say, I think it's a couple of reasons. One, 410 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:39,599 I think that more than anything, these things like the 411 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,839 toy with us, like a cat like it with a mouse, 412 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,559 I think they get off on the fear that they 413 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:50,480 instill in us. They enjoy it because they are arrogant, 414 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:53,119 the fact that they know that they are the top predator. 415 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,440 And I also think part of it comes from two 416 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,440 is us humans. If you look at us, we don't 417 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,960 have a lot of the meat they crave on us. 418 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,119 I mean, they really love the soft organs. Now you 419 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,400 take a deer, a calf, a hog, a wild bore, 420 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,160 or anything like that, their gut sacks, so to call 421 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,480 it as much much larger than what a humans is. 422 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,319 And when they interact with the human, I think they're 423 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,799 more likely you just want to scare us away from 424 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,799 their area so that we don't bother them, because I 425 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:36,000 think that they know that humans if they have any 426 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,599 interaction with them, it's not much longer they start having 427 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,519 a lot more and more and more interaction. And there's 428 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,799 something we really can't get rid of. There's not enough 429 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:49,319 meat on us to make us that enticing to them, 430 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,440 unless they're starving or something like that, or if we 431 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,000 challenge their dominance, because that's like any animal, the animal 432 00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:01,759 can't keep including humans. You want to see the ugly 433 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:03,759 side of something, you challenge its dominance. 434 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank goodness, they don't seem to be that interested 435 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,839 in feeding on us when we're alive. At least, it'd 436 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,759 be a lot worse if that wasn't the keys. When 437 00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:16,039 you had your first encounter down there, you said that 438 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,680 you saw six of them. It's bad enough to see 439 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:21,559 one when you've never seen a dog man before. But 440 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,839 how much harder do you think it was on you 441 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,680 to see some many of them together when you had 442 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,640 that first encounter. 443 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think it really helped drive home the point 444 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:40,319 that it existed. When you see more than one like 445 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,559 that and instantly takes it out of your mind that, oh, 446 00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:47,079 there's somebody dressed up like a wolf trying to scare everybody. 447 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,759 I mean, obviously in an a war zone there wouldn't 448 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:52,920 be because there's be no point to it. All you 449 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,880 can do is get yourself shot. But it kind of 450 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,400 drives home the point that they're real instantly. I mean, 451 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,599 we saw that was the big alpha. It was two 452 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,000 mid sized ones, and then two little bit smaller ones, 453 00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:13,119 and then the number six was the one we called Grandpa, 454 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:18,319 the little brown one which followed them around, but he 455 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,279 was a cast off. He didn't get near anything until 456 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,359 everybody was done. And I don't know if it was 457 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,039 so much an organized pack as it was just just 458 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,160 an eating order. The big guy got to choose what 459 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,279 he wanted and then it went on down to where 460 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,839 when they were finished and already moving off through the jungle, 461 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,799 then the little brown one would come out, and as 462 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,799 far as your question goes, I think that it really 463 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,640 helped drive it home and it was real. 464 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: Well seeing his believing and talking about that alpha, I 465 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,759 can understand why no one else did challenge him after 466 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,599 seeing how he dealt with that subordinate that stepped out 467 00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:59,079 of line. He told us about the near death experience 468 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,480 he had in twenty team. But I can't remember when 469 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,400 you said you saw that dog mean at the pull 470 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,200 off state side. Did that encounter happen before or after 471 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,319 you had that nd No. 472 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,039 Speaker 2: That was after. 473 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,079 Speaker 1: It was after. Okay. The reason why I asked you 474 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,200 that question was because I didn't know if you were 475 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,000 aware of the fact that people who have had NDEs 476 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,319 are more likely, it seems, to have dog mean encounters 477 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,519 than people who haven't. Did you know that? 478 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,039 Speaker 2: Oh? No, I didn't. I'd never heard that. 479 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem to open up the gates for 480 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240 whatever reason, I don't know. Now, some of the listeners, 481 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:36,759 Carl might be wondering why you'd want to live in 482 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:40,000 the country after experiencing all the horrific dog mean encounters 483 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,960 you've had. What would you say to those people about that? 484 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: Well, this sounds kind of kind of a strange thing 485 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,119 to say, but I've been generations in the country. I 486 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,279 love the country. I wouldn't know how to get along 487 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,240 and living in the city. And the other thing is 488 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,960 too what I saw in Central America. I think the 489 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:11,799 humans the humans are, I don't know, more degenerate than 490 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,720 what the dogmen were. And I just after what I 491 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,119 saw and experience down there, I just didn't want to 492 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,400 be around crowds of people at all. I liked being 493 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,799 separated from people a little bit, knowing who my neighbors 494 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:32,480 were and having some space between me and them. And 495 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,240 if a diverge came across the dogmen again, then I 496 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,279 deal with that. At that point in time, if him 497 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:44,200 and I could coexist without taking it to a fight, great. 498 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,880 If it had to come to a fight, then one 499 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,039 of us wouldn't survive. But I was just more lary 500 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,839 of the humans in the city than I was the 501 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,319 dogmen in the country. I'd never seen a dogmen in 502 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,319 the country, and I've been raised in the country, so 503 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,240 I thought, well, how many of them can there be? 504 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,079 But then I started, like when I before I called you, 505 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,720 I started looking on maps about dog men sightings the 506 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,319 United States and Canada, and Mexidon. I'm like, oh my god, 507 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,319 there's thumbtacks all over the board. There really is no 508 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,480 place that they aren't. 509 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure seems that way. And I don't blame you 510 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,160 for wanting to live in the country even though you've 511 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,119 had these encounters, because I feel the same way. There's 512 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,200 just nothing like living out in the sticks. I'm sure 513 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,839 there are a lot of people who are listening who've 514 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,440 had encounters, who are horrified by what they heard you 515 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,079 share about your experiences down there in Central America. Is 516 00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,079 there anything you'd like to tell them that might help 517 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:41,920 calm their nerves. 518 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: Well, all I can tell them is the same thing 519 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,799 I learned, and it has worked for me, was if 520 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:55,960 you have an opportunity back away from them. Don't turn 521 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,920 and run because if they want to run you down, 522 00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:01,759 these things are so fast a human cannot outrun them, 523 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:06,079 but just sort of slink off, even like the other 524 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440 dogmen did to the big Alpha. They'd kind of slink 525 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,440 off looking at him. Let him be the winner. Who 526 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,400 cares what he thinks or I mean, who cares? Just 527 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,039 don't make any sudden movements at him, And if you 528 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,559 do have to, if you think an attack is emminent, 529 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,640 shine him in the eyes real quick, because it takes 530 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,000 them that only gives you a few seconds. And if 531 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,240 you have to ever shoot one, shoot in the eye 532 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,599 because you probably don't have enough ammunition to shoot center 533 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,000 masks and have it bleed out before it can kill you. 534 00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:43,279 They're a lot like grizzly bears. You know, you hear 535 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,119 a lot of encounters out in the wild where someone 536 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,759 will have a forty four magnum or a large caliber 537 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,160 pistol and they'll empty it into a charging grizzly bear, 538 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,960 and the bear can still run thirty thirty five mile 539 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,119 an hour over a big distance and kill the person 540 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,079 before they bleed out. Same kind of thing with the 541 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:04,720 dog man. The other thing I would say too, it 542 00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:08,440 always helps out have dogs with you, to have animals 543 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,200 with you, because animals can sense them and while you 544 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,799 don't want your dog to run off and try to 545 00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:17,799 protect you and can tell you, hey, there's something wrong 546 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,559 in the area, get out and don't stay. The other 547 00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,240 thing I'd say we learned too was about the infrasound. 548 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,079 If you start feeling a real bad feeling in dread, 549 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:33,480 or kind of get aches and pains, or you'd feel 550 00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:37,119 kind of nauseous. Get out of the area, just leave 551 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:41,160 you go back, cancel your dame, move your activities somewhere else, 552 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,839 do whatever, because that's a good sign that there's one around. 553 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,519 And the best way to survive an encounter is to 554 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:51,599 avoid the encounter. 555 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: That's all really good advice. I'm sure there are also 556 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,519 tons of listeners who are wondering why you didn't bring 557 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,519 back any pictures of the dog in Yesa on Central America. 558 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,319 What would you care to say to those people about that? 559 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,079 Speaker 2: Well, I can tell them that what we were doing 560 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,599 down there, we weren't allowed to have any cameras. The 561 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,160 only people that had cameras were the forensic people, and 562 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,960 they were taking pictures of the bodies. Now I can't 563 00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,559 tell you if they ever took any pictures of them. 564 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,920 We got all of our luggage and everything got checked 565 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880 before we went back to base or state side. They 566 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,359 didn't leave anything to chance. It wasn't so much they 567 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,039 were worried about the dog men, but that was one 568 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,960 of the things that we weren't allowed to really talk 569 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,920 about or have any pictures of. So it wasn't that 570 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,480 we had a chance to have pictures of them. Because 571 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,559 there was no chance. None of us had cameras or 572 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,440 anything you get a member. Back in those days, there 573 00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:53,839 was no cell phones, and they had satellite phones, but 574 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,920 they didn't do any except my calls up and down 575 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,880 to the satellite. The first phones I had were came 576 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,000 with bags and like a fifty foot court of the 577 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:08,039 metal antennae stuck on her roof, I regard. So there 578 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,239 were none of these fancy little phones that we could 579 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,280 snapped pictures with. You know, that's the thing that a 580 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,320 lot of listeners nowadays, if they're younger, they forget these 581 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,639 phones are relatively recent invention, So there was no opportunity 582 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,199 or there was no chance or opportunity. And these people 583 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,800 were not somebody to screw with. I mean they in 584 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,199 part of our training, they laid down the law to us, 585 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,719 and what would happen if we broke any of their rules? 586 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,320 And prison wasn't something that I wanted to get involved 587 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,800 in a nice early age like that. 588 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: Can't say I blame you, Yeah, it's not my idea 589 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,639 fun either. Your experiences clearly aren't easy for you to 590 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,840 talk about. Why did you decide to come on the 591 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,239 show and do that to share the experiences? 592 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: Well, my wife and I talked about. She thought it'd 593 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800 be a really good thing to get off of my chest, 594 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,039 to get you know, she said, you've told me the 595 00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,599 other guys that told their wives. She goes, but you 596 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,519 guys are dying off. You're the last three guys left 597 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,480 out of the fifteen. And it turns out that there 598 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,920 was three hundred of us to begin with in this program. 599 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,840 When there's sixteen of us left. She goes, whether anybody 600 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,440 ever believes it or ever knows about it, or maybe 601 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,400 they come something comes out twenty years from now, great, 602 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,280 she goes, but get it off your chest. That's one 603 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,320 way to have things put hunting if you get them 604 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,599 off your chest. And talking to you Vic has helped 605 00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:45,679 me tremendously, and I just felt like after talking to 606 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,639 you last week, I felt like a big weight was 607 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:53,599 lifted off of me. And talking to Father Dan has 608 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:59,039 been an enormous help too. I just feel so much 609 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,920 better and my beliefs and everything now after speaking to 610 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840 him and speaking to you, and thank God for my 611 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,159 wife helping me as much as she has. 612 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you have all this help from so 613 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,320 many different directions. That's really good, and that's what this 614 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,280 is all about It's all about exposure. The more you 615 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,400 talk about these experiences, that easier it's going to be 616 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,000 to think and deal with them. Do you walk around 617 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,639 in the woods around your farm or avoid them as 618 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,559 much as possible? 619 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,079 Speaker 2: No, I've I walked around the woods eve when I 620 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,079 came back right away. I've been, but it Wood's been 621 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,639 all my life, I mean, and I've always been well armed. 622 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,960 I mean, I probably takes a false sense of security 623 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,360 in that, but I will say one thing. After seeing 624 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,559 those I upgraded what I carried. I used to want 625 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,360 it to be out in the woods and stuff. I'd 626 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,440 carry a nine millimeter and it maybe on my side 627 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,679 by side or something. I many fourteen. Well, I upgraded 628 00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,000 that up to a nice model lover Action forty five 629 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,239 seventy and I you know, I carry a ten milimeter 630 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,760 clock and I've got a four fifty four cassole snub 631 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,639 nose that I carries my back up. It's due to 632 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,199 see seeing the dog men and realizing how much they 633 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,199 weigh and how big they are there. It's basically the 634 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,840 same thing as shooting a grizzly bear that's attacking you. 635 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,239 You've got to have something proportionate to what you carry. 636 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,239 And even if I'm hunting in the woods, I haven't 637 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,320 bowl hunted for years, but I used to bow hunt deer. 638 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,719 I'd still carry my ten millimeter my casole with me. 639 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,559 Not that I would ever shoot a dog man or 640 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,320 shoot one and kill one unless I absolutely had to 641 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,960 if it were trying to basically eat me. Because I 642 00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,719 honestly believe too that if you shoot one and wound 643 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,360 one and you don't finish it, now you've really got 644 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,079 your hands full. 645 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how normally is, and I hopeing whatever comes 646 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,280 to that that wouldn't be good. I walked miles and 647 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,360 miles in one of the big woods here where I 648 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,800 live without anyone else with me. I also go unarmed 649 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,320 as well. Do you see that as being a crazy 650 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,800 thing for me to do or do you think it's 651 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,440 no big deal? 652 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:21,599 Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's crazy, vic, because that's the 653 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,480 way I was for years before I went down there. 654 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,400 I mean, I'd spent my whole life playing in the woods, 655 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,679 working on the woods, whatever, and didn't worry about anything, 656 00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:32,880 you know, until I came back from there. I was like, 657 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,039 oh my god, you know these things are supposed to 658 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,719 be when I learned out. Learned before I opted out 659 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,119 was that a lot of these things that they'd captured 660 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,079 and trapped were from from North America. So I'm like, well, okay, 661 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,719 well better at least be armed. But I never saw 662 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,360 one in any of the woods up here, So I 663 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,639 had no reason to would have any reason to think 664 00:38:56,639 --> 00:39:01,280 that you were being remiss of it, because you've probably 665 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,840 never seen one of the woods and I had never 666 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,519 seen one until twenty twenty one in the woods up 667 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:08,480 here in North America. 668 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, you never have an encounter until you do. It's 669 00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:14,159 like a lot of other things in life. 670 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,519 Speaker 2: I've never seen one before, so I mean up here. 671 00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:21,880 So I thought, well, you know, no, you're probably right, 672 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,639 Vick walking around and like most of the encounters the 673 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:31,760 people have told you about, they basically left unharmed, and 674 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,400 I'm sure there's some people that have been disappeared by them. 675 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,360 So myself, I've just always been armed. And to be 676 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,960 honest with you, I carry them more for the weirdo 677 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:44,800 you might meet in the woods than I do for 678 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,519 the dog man. 679 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: That's a valid concern. Your experiences with dogmen have taught 680 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,920 you a lot about them, but what have they taught 681 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,840 you about yourself. 682 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 2: Well, I'd have to say one thing they did was 683 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,920 they really taught me, in a bad situation to calm down. 684 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,119 And I know this sounds crazy because your first reaction is, 685 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,440 you know, all your hair stand on end and you 686 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,480 jump forty foot up in a tree, you know. But 687 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,119 I've learned to calm down, and I think that's what 688 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,280 helped me through my last dog man encounter, was I 689 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,000 was able to realize right away what it was to do. 690 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,199 All of a sudden, my training kick back in and 691 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,239 I kept my head and a second later I was 692 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,039 in my car with the door shut, back it up. Granted, 693 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,840 it could have chased me out, jumped on the truck, whatever, 694 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,679 and it didn't. But part of that was it was 695 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,199 getting what it wanted I was leaving. I think that 696 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,079 it's taught me to look at a situation before I react, 697 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,679 because I think when I was younger, even down there, 698 00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:01,679 it was very much a reactionary and I think that 699 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,599 it taught me not to react. Like my dad always 700 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:11,400 just say said, don't engage your muscles before you clutch 701 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,440 your brain. You just put your brain in gear before 702 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,320 you put the muscles in gear. And he's right about that. 703 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,199 Think about what the situation does for a split second. 704 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always good advice. And I'm sure it's not 705 00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,320 lost on you all the thought you've put into your experiences. 706 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,000 I'm sure you realize that when you were down there 707 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,320 in the jungles, they could have gotten you if they 708 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,920 wanted to really get you. And you already touched on 709 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,360 the fact that you know that that night at the 710 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,239 pull off, if that dog man wanted to get you, 711 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,519 it could have gotten you. But it didn't because it 712 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:48,840 was just cat and mouse. That's all there was to it. 713 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,159 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, too, Vic, that last 714 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,599 last encounter, the truck that I was sitting in, it 715 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,199 was I left an idol because it was a cool 716 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,039 light cool light air, you know, and it left it, 717 00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:07,079 I don't say, with the heater on real lull and 718 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,639 it's one of these new cheves where if it's running, 719 00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:13,199 the light stay on. And I think it was irritating him, 720 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,280 to be honest, with the noise running though you know 721 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,159 that here is a dog min. It's his woods are 722 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:24,039 peaceful and quiet. He's enjoying it quiet evening and some 723 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,400 guy pulls in and with his truck run and leaves 724 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,280 it run and just sits there and runs with the 725 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,320 light on, lighting up that whole little pull off area. 726 00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,039 I think I was aggravating him and he just wanted 727 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:35,519 to be gone. 728 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,559 Speaker 1: That makes really good sense, and you're probably right, that's 729 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,320 probably what was behind all that. And yeah, if you 730 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,639 had the truck running, the heater was on, I mean, 731 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:48,440 if it wanted to sneak up and grab you, they 732 00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:51,039 could have done that and there wouldn't have been anything 733 00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,480 you could have done to stop that. But that didn't 734 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,440 happen because it obviously didn't want that to happen. It 735 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,920 didn't want to rip you apart. It just wanted you to. 736 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,119 Speaker 2: Leave, so right, and it got what it wanted. 737 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 1: That's right, it got would have wanted, just wanted you 738 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:05,840 out of there. 739 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,639 Speaker 2: And the ones down in Central America, they they could 740 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:14,400 have killed us in a heartbeat, because we would when 741 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,519 we go on patrols. Well, like I told you, we'd 742 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,039 sit with our backs to a stump and a circle 743 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:24,360 looking outward. And during the wet season we'd sleep with 744 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,239 our ponchos and this like netting over top of us 745 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,480 keep the mosquitoes out. But we'd sleep with our ponchos on, 746 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,039 so the water would shut off us as much as 747 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,719 it could. Looking outward, and you can see the glowing 748 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,320 eyes sometimes out in the jungle in the woods. Well 749 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,440 as fast as they were, they could easily run through 750 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,920 there before we even seen them in those big claws 751 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,519 and just opened up two or three guys like a 752 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:56,320 can of tuna. I have no doubts in my mind 753 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,039 that had they wanted us dead, we wouldn't have made 754 00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:59,679 it out of there. 755 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 1: It's so good you understand that, And I want anyone 756 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,920 listening who's so freaked out about the possibility of having 757 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,039 another encounter after hearing all these horrific experiences of Carl's 758 00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,920 shared with us here on this two part show, I 759 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,599 want you to understand that as well. Yeah, I get 760 00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:18,559 the tear that you feel when you have an account 761 00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,679 with one of these guys, but please remember, these guys 762 00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,679 have so many opportunities to take people out that they 763 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:27,599 don't act upon. That right there should tell you that 764 00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,039 these guys are not wired to rip you apart as 765 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:33,719 soon as the opportunity presents itself. Yes, like we've already 766 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,920 touched on tonight, you will have deviant examples of dog 767 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,639 men that aren't right in the head, that are dangerous, 768 00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,679 and they will kill you if the opportunity presents itself. 769 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,119 But these guys are not, as a group wired to 770 00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:50,719 do that. So please keep that in mind. I really 771 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,760 hope all of you do. It's not lost on you 772 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,239 that they are actually people who go into the woods 773 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,320 with the sole intent of bagging one of these things. Carl, 774 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,639 what are your thought. 775 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:08,519 Speaker 2: Well, I think they're playing with the fire. I'm not 776 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:11,559 saying these things can't be killed. I mean, obviously they 777 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:16,199 can be. But it's like a guy that goes out 778 00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:22,360 after hunting after a grizzly bear or Kodiak brown bear, 779 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,800 the only thing he's ever hunted is a black bear. 780 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,119 And I hope there's a reason that the state of 781 00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,199 Alaska requires if you get a tag for a bear, 782 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,159 you have to hire a licensed, trained guide because people 783 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,360 can quickly get in over their heads so fast they 784 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,159 don't realize it, and going out after something like this 785 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:49,760 is just I don't know. I think it's myself. I 786 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,519 think it's nuts, but I think you're asking for more 787 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,920 than what you want. Now, if this were like some 788 00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,880 movie where they were starting to kill a whole bunch 789 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,039 of people and it's a war. Well, then it's a 790 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,239 war then, I know, okay, obviously, But just to go 791 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,960 out in the woods looking for these things and think 792 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,840 you're going to bag one, that's the same mindset as 793 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,760 people think they'd go out in the woods and bag 794 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,719 a bigfoot. You know, there's some things that are better 795 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,559 left alone. 796 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, Yeah, there's no future in that. That's a 797 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,920 good way to get yourself killed. After having all the 798 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,440 encounters that you've had, including the one state side, do 799 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,440 you think that your days of having encounters are behind 800 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,039 you or do you think you might have another one 801 00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,920 or two down the road. After all the conversations we've had, 802 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,079 you'd think i'd have a good beat on that, But 803 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:39,840 I still don't. 804 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, Vic, I hope I don't. Well, 805 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,960 you know, I hope I never seen one again. I mean, 806 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,000 but especially with my wife and my animals. I mean, 807 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,599 I love our little farm dearly. I don't want anything 808 00:46:56,639 --> 00:47:01,880 around them if we go through the National Forest. Now, 809 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,360 we're both old enough now that going to the National 810 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,159 Forest for us is like pulling off on one of 811 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,880 the scenic overlooks and having a picnic sitting there with 812 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,760 the dogs. I don't need to go out back back 813 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,360 it anymore. I don't enough of that in my life, 814 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,599 and I just I hope I don't have any more, 815 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,119 to be honest with you, and for anybody that does 816 00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,760 have them in the future, my prayers are with you. 817 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,039 I hope that they go well and in the end 818 00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:33,159 and you're survive everything. Maybe a little trauma. Kol Vic. 819 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:36,760 He's wonderful about helping out get it off of your chest. 820 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,960 Here's the thing I thought about my last encounter two. 821 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:47,920 I felt so lucky driving away and seeing that thing 822 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,559 standing there that I hadn't shot it through the eye. 823 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:52,840 You know, you got these people that go out and 824 00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:55,880 want to hunt them. I don't know if any of 825 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,559 these things have been chipped. You know, there's that big 826 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,760 rabbit hole too. And now if you do shoot one 827 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,280 or your bag one, you want to tell anybody about it? 828 00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:10,400 How long is it until the guy's in black show 829 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,599 up knock on your door. And I'm more afraid of 830 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,559 those guys than I am. More afraid of the men 831 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:20,480 in black than I am the dog men. It's like 832 00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:22,599 I explained to you last time, all the ways, all 833 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,199 the roots and fingers they have that can reach in 834 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,199 your life and totally destroy it and everybody you love. 835 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,239 It's just not worth it. 836 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,079 Speaker 1: You're right, it's definitely not worth it at all. And 837 00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,280 I can understand you having that fear of them. But 838 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,079 I really don't think you've done anything to cross them 839 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,000 where they would pay you a visit. I really don't. 840 00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,440 If I did think that you had, then I would 841 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,960 tell you I'm shooting you straight. I really don't think 842 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,400 you have anything to worry about. 843 00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 2: It at all. Well, that's true. I'm not doing anything 844 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,760 to try to bring them on, but I'm warning other 845 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,639 people too. You know, as far as guys want to 846 00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,679 go out and bag of dog men, you know, to 847 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,679 what are you going to try and show it off? 848 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,480 Or are you going to take pictures of it? I mean, 849 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,800 what you're really doing is inviting a world to hurt you. 850 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,639 If the dog man doesn't hurt you, the men in black. 851 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,159 Speaker 1: Will, Oh sure. Either're trying to fight a battle they 852 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,280 just can't possibly win. There's no winning that. 853 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 2: Right, So I just don't understand the mindset of wanting 854 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,119 to go out and bag one. 855 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:28,159 Speaker 1: That makes two of us, it really does. Well, it's 856 00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,039 about time for us to get out if you're a Carl, 857 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:31,760 But before we do, do you have any clothes in 858 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,920 comments you'd like to put out there for us? 859 00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:40,599 Speaker 2: Just thank you very much, Victor for your help, bother Dan, 860 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:45,519 my beautiful wife. I like to thank all of them. 861 00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,880 I'd like to tell everybody that's had a doc man 862 00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:55,480 visit that adversely affected them encounter. God bless you, and 863 00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,880 I hope God stays with you and walks with you 864 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,480 in all you do. And I pray for me and 865 00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:07,280 I hope for good things for everybody. And if you've 866 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,719 had an experience, please don't try to set up another 867 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,320 experience so you can take pictures or shoot it, because 868 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,519 not only that's only going to lead to heartache and 869 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:21,880 headache down the road. Let it drift off into a memory. 870 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 1: That's all very good advice, very well said. And Carl, 871 00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:31,039 you're living proof that bad things sometimes happen to very 872 00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,920 good people. I'm so sorry you had to experience all this, 873 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,199 I really am, But like I told you, I'm so 874 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,880 glad you have such a group of people around you 875 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,320 trying to help you deal with this experience or these experiences. 876 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,400 But having said that, thanks against so much for your 877 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:52,880 time and have a great night 878 00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:20,639 Speaker 2: As English