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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news. My guest

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<v Speaker 2>today is the very funny, hilarious John Marco sir RAIZI.

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<v Speaker 2>He is one of Vulture's comedians you should know and

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<v Speaker 2>will know. We talk for about a better part of

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<v Speaker 2>an hour here. During the summer, he released a little

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<v Speaker 2>something Special which is one of my favorite things of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, very very funny, fifteen seventeen minutes something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But did Biden chunk in it?

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<v Speaker 3>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>When Biden didn't have such a good debate and looked

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<v Speaker 2>like he was going to drop out, John Marco was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let me get this thing out there now. So he'll

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<v Speaker 2>explain to us how that came out. He also has

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<v Speaker 2>a recurring show in New York City called The Silver Lining,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been sold out consistently for over two years

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<v Speaker 2>and theater adults the show coming up at Joe's Pub.

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<v Speaker 2>He will explain what that is. I may have tried

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<v Speaker 2>a little too hard here in the first couple questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I try not to be like, so you're

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<v Speaker 2>a comedian, huh, And I try and come with a

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<v Speaker 2>different angle. So I'm not sure he was totally feeling

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<v Speaker 2>me the first minute or so here, but then we

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<v Speaker 2>really clicked. Sitting here and just making sure that I

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<v Speaker 2>sent out the proper link of everything I'm clicking on

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<v Speaker 2>an industry trade. This is totally random, but I figured

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<v Speaker 2>it's hopefully more interesting than just going So what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think of cancel culture?

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<v Speaker 3>A press release?

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<v Speaker 2>A comedian media store with over eighty followers is about

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<v Speaker 2>to launch a podcast, So is that really good publicist?

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<v Speaker 3>Or you know? I always set the bar low, so

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<v Speaker 3>you got exceed expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>So the big stress of my life today is what

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<v Speaker 2>happens if the DMV calls me in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>this interview. I figured, let me just start with awkward things,

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<v Speaker 2>So why would the DMV call me? Long story medium.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to get my license renewed and a New

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<v Speaker 2>Jersey was like, sorry, your license is suspended in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't lived in New York in twenty something years.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five dollars. Fine, I have to get a letter

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<v Speaker 2>from New York and it's it's not like you click

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<v Speaker 2>on the website and they send it to you. So

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly the DMV's going to call me and no offense,

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<v Speaker 2>love you. But if they actually call me, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to bay otherwise, I my Chad drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Me to work. Man. Sure listen, I hear about. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a good excuse, so you keep me posting.

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<v Speaker 2>I was catching up on your podcast. I enjoyed recently

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<v Speaker 2>dropped a Patreon episode with some AI written Italian style comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>some very hack comedy. I thought that was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really because I don't talk about food. It

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<v Speaker 1>was all about food. So really all the AI was

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<v Speaker 1>able to do is they said, he said he's Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>they said he's Italian, and then let the stereotypes roll

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<v Speaker 1>and it was all this food. I don't talk about

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<v Speaker 1>any food in my app.

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<v Speaker 2>There's at least one comedian that I can think of

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<v Speaker 2>that could deliver that material. Now, I didn't think the

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<v Speaker 2>material was particularly written for your wheelhouse, but I can

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<v Speaker 2>think of one guy, if he had the crowd rolling

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<v Speaker 2>and did it in his delivery at his stadium shows,

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<v Speaker 2>could have performed that material. The materially itself, in the

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<v Speaker 2>right environment, maybe could have flown.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we talking Sebastian on a scalco You can go sure,

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<v Speaker 1>sure he could act it out.

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<v Speaker 3>He could take that.

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<v Speaker 1>He could take a soft punch line and show him

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<v Speaker 1>serve with the batsa ball soup or serve with a

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<v Speaker 1>PASTRAVI he could make it work.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see it. You've got the right name for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking maybe you could do like a bobcat

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<v Speaker 2>Gouldwaite thing and open for yourself, Like could come out

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<v Speaker 2>and just you, really John Marco, and then you come

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<v Speaker 2>out and do your normal act as a closer. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>give yourself a different first name for the second part.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen if I leaned in, if I leand into the

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<v Speaker 1>Italian thing, and honestly I would, It's just I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>raised like in an Italian community. My dad's a little Italian,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just don't have that many jokes about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe in me.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be that comedian if I could. But my

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<v Speaker 1>dad was making cup of noodles, not spaghetti and meatballs.

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<v Speaker 2>But you grab three other guys with Italian sounding names,

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<v Speaker 2>you start a tour, you go out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried to think the Italian. It's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>like the mob bosses of comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm well ahead of you on the AI twenty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes ago. I've got ten for you. You're ready, Here

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<v Speaker 2>we go. Sure, some of these even for Hack or Hack.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Gobbelgool Gang. I liked that they added the

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<v Speaker 2>gg the Gobbegle Gang, you and three of the guys.

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<v Speaker 2>This one is in Hack's Corner of hack Town. Boughta

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<v Speaker 2>being Comedy jam though they had a jam. Sure, Pasta

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<v Speaker 2>and punchlines pretty awful. The Canoli Chronicles, Oh, brutal spaghetti

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<v Speaker 2>and stand up these are so bad. I like this one,

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<v Speaker 2>Sauce and SaaS sure, the Forget About It Funnies is

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<v Speaker 2>just awful. The Meatball Mafia awful, Manja and Mirth and

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<v Speaker 2>the Mozzarella Mirth Tour.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the short stuff is too on the nose.

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<v Speaker 3>I just put it in now.

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<v Speaker 1>The don of comedy sounds cool, but that it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like that exists already. But listen, chat GPT is already

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<v Speaker 1>good enough to replicate at least eighty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy world, and it's eventually it'll get better enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'm quite a comedy snole. My daughter is working

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<v Speaker 2>in a local theater and part of her job is

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<v Speaker 2>to just research acts that they could potentially book. And

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<v Speaker 2>she came home one day and was like, have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard of this? And it was one of these.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the Italian American Wise Guys of Comedy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just said to her, I go, there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>that's good. It'll probably sell out, but there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure I did when I did Just for Lasts last year,

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<v Speaker 1>it's last year. I did the Just for the Culture Show,

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<v Speaker 1>which used to be called the Ethnic Show. And before

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<v Speaker 1>the Ethnic Show, they had the Italian Show, the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Comic Show, the Jews Show, and then last Society Guru.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, okay, well combine the ball. Okay, We'll call

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<v Speaker 1>Just for the Culture. And I was on the lineup

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<v Speaker 1>with Judy Gold and I was like, oh, they think

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<v Speaker 1>she's the Jewish one and I'm going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>Italian the stand up in SaaS and they we really

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<v Speaker 1>just ended up being a Jewish, very Jewish lineup between

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<v Speaker 1>me and Judy.

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<v Speaker 3>My name can be misleading. Do those nights still exist?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rusty, but LA used to have Asian Invasion and

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<v Speaker 2>Chocolate Sundays was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are still around, Chocolate Sundays, and I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>crack them up. Comedy is also like the Black Show

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<v Speaker 1>or the Urban Show at the Comedy Store. In the

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<v Speaker 1>belly room. So those still exist. I don't know about

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<v Speaker 1>the Asian invasion, but listen, I think of those theme shows,

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<v Speaker 1>even they're not seen, but centered around identity, can bring

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of people who have never seen a

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy show before because they go, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is geared for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, and so I had scripted.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at a lot of comedy club lineups,

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<v Speaker 1>you might as well call them the straight white guy show.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's fine? Maybe we need to create some special

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<v Speaker 3>pockets of shows. Dude's a prep.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always find it fascinating anytime I google you,

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<v Speaker 2>there seems to be a fascination with headline writers. It's

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<v Speaker 2>frequently Italian Jewish comedian or Jewish Italian comedian. And I

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<v Speaker 2>look at that and I'm like, you know, are we

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<v Speaker 2>booking Irish Catholic Jim Gaffigan coming to town?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just think people people think that that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to give you everything you need to know about someone's

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<v Speaker 1>comedic dialings. I guess to go, oh, Jewish, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a neurotic again. I'll talk about his gil pig

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<v Speaker 1>mom and then Italian it's like he'll talk about food.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's hard to write about comedy in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that has massive peel. What are you going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>a mix of Anthony Jesslnik and John mulaney with a

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<v Speaker 1>theater kid background. No one's find tickets to that show.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to say, obviostly Jesslink or John m'laney on

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<v Speaker 1>their own. So I whatever they want to say, I

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<v Speaker 1>think theatrical and dark are the words that I want

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<v Speaker 1>to Then I think i'd want to get through just

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<v Speaker 1>so just to deter someone who's very doesn't want anything mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would be the thing of it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be it's not warm, that's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the evening ahead of you. That's the only thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But also that's not a great title. Eight come to

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<v Speaker 1>see that not warm and fuzzy. John Marco SIASI.

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<v Speaker 2>I never noticed the Mullany. You're in the same vocal range.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not a mulleni clone. But if we put a

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<v Speaker 2>suit on you and shaved and made you play Millennie

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<v Speaker 2>in a sketch.

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<v Speaker 3>You could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Mullaney musically, I think the way I have

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<v Speaker 1>to limit how much I listened to it to him

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<v Speaker 1>because I just think the way that he made it

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<v Speaker 1>a little nasally and it just fits comedy, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really do. And I'm sure apparently there was a comedian

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<v Speaker 1>who works at the Seller, the Comedy Seller, named Dan Natterman,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone told me that when mulaney started, people called

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<v Speaker 1>him like Dan Natterman, ripoff or something like or he

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<v Speaker 1>was imitating Dan Baderman. So I like to believe that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the music of comedy, which I feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get talked about as much, just like the musicality

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<v Speaker 1>of the way people deliver jokes, Milani's is just in

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<v Speaker 1>a certain kind of range and register that I think

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<v Speaker 1>is just feels right when I'm joking with my friends,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm trying to have riff off with them. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just the place that I do. It's a little bit presentational,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really clear. It helps you make a clear setup

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<v Speaker 1>and you different to the center for the punchline because

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<v Speaker 1>you change the often and it's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>So but I have the ear for this because I've

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<v Speaker 2>worked in radio for my career in podcasting, so we

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<v Speaker 2>always when you build a team, you want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure people aren't in the same range. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>you and Malaney would not partner up on an audio

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<v Speaker 2>only radio show, whereas you and Sebastin Maniscalco would because.

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<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't be like, which one is talking?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, that's really cool, I've mad sense now that you

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<v Speaker 1>say it, But yeah, you've got to there's podcasts where

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<v Speaker 1>I go I still don't know which voice is which guy.

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<v Speaker 3>It all just bleeds into one.

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<v Speaker 2>After listening for two years. Right, yeah, how are you

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying podcasting yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>I dig it.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly wish we had more listeners, but the clips

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<v Speaker 1>and the videos that we get out of it are enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>And ultimately, when I started making the podcast, I had

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<v Speaker 1>So I love it, and I'm glad that I prioritized

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<v Speaker 1>First, we have guests for a lot of episodes, and

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Post work where it's I built kind of the engine

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<v Speaker 3>And I think I'm going to make.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure even though it is loose, I got to cut

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<v Speaker 1>What happened that week, what do I want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>key to having all that looseness really work is you

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<v Speaker 3>Does it work as a sort of workout room?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you testing material or is it the opposite that

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<v Speaker 1>I think it can be a workout room. My co

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<v Speaker 1>host has a great laugh. Pete Holmes, he is his

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<v Speaker 1>own last track on his podcasts. He provides it for me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's slit. And it's my co host who's a laugher,

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's not fully a workout room.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm saying what I would say on stage, but

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<v Speaker 1>I go, oh, there's something there, and then I got

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<v Speaker 1>to do the work after the fact. So in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a workout room, but not as strict as

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<v Speaker 1>let me run this bit. Let me try to sneak

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<v Speaker 1>in this bit, because if my co host sniffs the

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<v Speaker 1>manipulation around a joke, he's out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's out. I beg him.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, please, let me tell you my jokes from

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<v Speaker 1>performing at the Fish Festival this weekend, and he's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't It just doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Like those old style horrible talk show guests. Hey tell

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<v Speaker 2>me about podcasting. Never mind podcasting, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about the airport, the TSA. These those guys, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Codin O'Brien, Johnny Carson was very clearly like a Rodney

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<v Speaker 1>Dangerfield panel interview and Johnny, I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 1>going and never screwed up a joke of Rodney Dangerfields.

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<v Speaker 3>And I sometimes have guests on ZARNAGARV.

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<v Speaker 1>how can I support this in the podcast sphere where

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel corny but she's supported and instead of

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<v Speaker 1>been feeling like a punchline, it feels like the most genius,

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<v Speaker 1>spontaneous thought a person has ever had. And that can

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a big Bob Hope fan. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the entire work of his century,

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<v Speaker 2>some really great stuff. But Johnny Carson hated Bob as

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<v Speaker 2>your show and it's NBC, and Bob Hope's the one

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<v Speaker 2>person Johnny Carson can't tell to go hose yourself. But

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<v Speaker 2>Hope would do what we just talked about and just

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<v Speaker 2>at good night, and Hope would just go in as material.

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<v Speaker 1>In a tourbiously, where as I haven't consumed that much

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope, Like, where do you start? What's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I would Is there an album of his best hits?

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<v Speaker 2>So he had a very popular radio show, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when television came along, all the radio shows became TV.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I'm sure they're on YouTube, his very early

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<v Speaker 2>up Mike and when the announcers going now from NBC

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<v Speaker 2>the Bob Hope Show, and he's just doing the monologue

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<v Speaker 2>and mugging for probably the camera guy. But you can

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<v Speaker 2>see how quick he is. And this is probably I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know Bob in his forties, maybe early fifties, not

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<v Speaker 2>But he was just so quick. So I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that period of around I don't want to TV really

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<v Speaker 2>come in, say nineteen fifty one Bob Hope just to

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<v Speaker 2>throw a dart, and of course his movies. You got

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<v Speaker 3>But I digress. Oh can you just Carson's in my mind? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>it's fifty years now, what a huge spot that was,

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<v Speaker 2>because now you can self markets there it's can I

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<v Speaker 2>get on the Tonight Show and I've got I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what was it, five minutes eight? It was probably five?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? You got a type usually think Johnny waves you over.

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<v Speaker 3>That must have been insane.

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<v Speaker 1>it feels borderline impossible to do one thing and have

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<v Speaker 1>it like catapults your career. There are so many There's

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<v Speaker 1>just a million little things you can do, and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Be on the Tonight Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I did Cordon, and I think maybe one person

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool that the Carson you go on there and your

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<v Speaker 1>whole life would change, unless not cool if the booker

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<v Speaker 1>just way too much power under this one kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cranky guy who's asked you had to kiss. And personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always struggled coming up with clean deaths that I

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<v Speaker 1>like love, or at least by today's. I sent a

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<v Speaker 1>response I got was a holocaust joke. Yikes, And I

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<v Speaker 1>in easy to fantasize, Oh, I would have been in.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have had that Tonight show. I would have

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<v Speaker 3>Where he didn't like me.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have the set, and then I would have

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's there needs to be a middle grounds.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that tonight soo when I hear about it,

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<v Speaker 1>or not, and that's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did a story for the podcast. Somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a hot take. Joe Rogan is too powerful in

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<v Speaker 2>comedy now, and I'm like, Joe Rogan's good for comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everybody likes Joe Rogan, that's fine, but he's good

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<v Speaker 2>for comedy. He basically created a third Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I had my previous touring agent I had was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you have three ways to succeed in touring. And this

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<v Speaker 1>might have shifted a little since then, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like big social media, you're on TV or Joe Rogan's podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>think that happens a lot with music. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>But like, stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>Comedy is such an untapped market. There's so many people

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<v Speaker 1>there's a degree where I go, Yeah, Joe Rogan talking

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<v Speaker 1>NonStop about stand up comedy makes a new generation of men.

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's tastes to expand beyond Joe Rogan's sphere.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it intermingles. I hope all comedians start splitting

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<v Speaker 1>up sharing lineups. But that's ultimately. I do think it's

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<v Speaker 1>good for comedy that he exists. And I've had audience

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<v Speaker 1>I remember an audience member years ago came up and

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<v Speaker 1>they said, Oh, I saw you're working on new material.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool. Joe Rogan talks about how comedians and

427
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<v Speaker 1>imes have to work on new material during the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, you know what, God bless if he's

429
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<v Speaker 1>educating our new comedy fan as to how this all works,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>You talked about spheres, and it reminded me there are

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<v Speaker 2>all these spheres that I guess don't touch each other.

434
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<v Speaker 2>What came to mind was when Kat Williams went on

435
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<v Speaker 2>Shannon Sharp's podcast and started throwing heat that surface to

436
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<v Speaker 2>maybe a different audience. The whole Atlanta scene and the

437
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<v Speaker 2>various beefs that go on in that sphere of comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>and that probably doesn't cross over with the Rogan verse

439
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<v Speaker 2>unless Gat goes on Rogan.

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<v Speaker 3>I think ultimately.

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<v Speaker 1>When you separate these worlds is it doesn't benefit the

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<v Speaker 1>quality of the comedy because suddenly you're not dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>the cream of the crop. You're dealing with the cream

444
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<v Speaker 1>of your little sphere. And it's just the quality goes

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<v Speaker 1>down overall whenever people are And it's the same with

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<v Speaker 1>you could call it the opposite of the Joe Rogan universe,

447
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<v Speaker 1>but like the Brooklyn world, like there is the world

448
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<v Speaker 1>of you could call it old comedy or just left

449
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<v Speaker 1>leaning comedy, where if you never mix with another world

450
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<v Speaker 1>and the best from that world, it just gets worse

451
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<v Speaker 1>and worse. And I think that's happened to a degree

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<v Speaker 1>with the Austin scene. I think that's why New York

453
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<v Speaker 1>is such a powerful is still, in my mind, the

454
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<v Speaker 1>best place to keep doing comedy, because there's more colliding,

455
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<v Speaker 1>there's more a mix, and that elevates everyone, that forces

456
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<v Speaker 1>them to be good to continue to participate. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing. I don't know Austin well enough to have

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of hard opinion about the Austin comedy scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I just know from more secondhand and occasional shows that

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<v Speaker 1>I do there, that I could use a little mixing.

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<v Speaker 1>To put it politely, it could use a little mixing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it will happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think these worlds can stay itsler forever. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think we need more panel shows, and we

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<v Speaker 1>need those panel shows to be a mix and I

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<v Speaker 1>think one day, I think kil Tony will get to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where it does have some comedians that you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't think would do it now, and it will expand

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<v Speaker 1>the vocabulary and show more people what great comedy can be.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm hopeful that kind of will come to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a show at Serious early in my run there.

473
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<v Speaker 2>He used to run the comedy properties there. It was

474
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<v Speaker 2>called four Quotas and it was basically a tough crowd

475
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<v Speaker 2>rip off, except we just leaned into the four quotas.

476
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<v Speaker 2>There was some gimmick that the government had passed the

477
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<v Speaker 2>law you had to have a white guy, a black guy,

478
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<v Speaker 2>a woman, and then the wild card position just to

479
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<v Speaker 2>make the booking easier. And I look back one of

480
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<v Speaker 2>those early episodes was Jim Gaffigan Lisa Lampanelli Asi's I'm sorry,

481
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<v Speaker 2>and I forget who the fourth you thought about being diverse?

482
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<v Speaker 2>That was a really fun show, a little too early

483
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<v Speaker 2>in the runned series for it to take off. We

484
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<v Speaker 2>talked about isolating one joke, and we talked about the

485
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<v Speaker 2>civilians coming in, and I think there's something to be

486
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<v Speaker 2>said for taking in an entire set. My wife will

487
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<v Speaker 2>often come down. I will be watching a special and

488
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<v Speaker 2>she'll show up thirty six minutes into it with a

489
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<v Speaker 2>laundry basket, stand there at the TV for forty seconds ago,

490
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<v Speaker 2>is this guy funny? And it's just I have to

491
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<v Speaker 2>hit pause and it kills the whole room, and I'm like,

492
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I can't go into you see that line

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<v Speaker 2>There is actually a calling back to eighteen minutes ago

494
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<v Speaker 2>where he set this up, and that was a headshake,

495
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<v Speaker 2>like it's just is that guy funny?

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<v Speaker 3>They what? First of all? I sometimes I have to acknowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it'll happen, like when a clip goes viral

498
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<v Speaker 1>and some people go, this guy is not funny at all.

499
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<v Speaker 1>Some people don't like stand up and that's fine. And

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<v Speaker 1>then someone who loves musical theater I know more than

501
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<v Speaker 1>anyone that like if someone goes to see. Someone will

502
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<v Speaker 1>see a Stephen Sondheim musical, the most agreed upon, the

503
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<v Speaker 1>greatest composer of all time, and they'll go, eh, that

504
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<v Speaker 1>was no good and it's okay. You don't like the

505
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<v Speaker 1>form and that's fine. And it's the same for stand ups.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people don't like those jokey things. But I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always hard with a partner when you don't love

508
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<v Speaker 1>the same piece of art. Sometimes he fights could be brutal. Now,

509
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<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend, she's a manager, she's a comedy manager, so

510
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<v Speaker 1>she represents comedians, and she doesn't want to watch as

511
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<v Speaker 1>much stand up as I do. And because sometimes I'm

512
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<v Speaker 1>watching it, Okay, what's going on here? What's okay? What

513
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<v Speaker 1>is the best amount of scalco talking about right now?

514
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<v Speaker 1>What can I learn from the cameras? And our rule

515
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<v Speaker 1>is when she can guess three of the punchlines, it

516
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<v Speaker 1>goes off automatically and it happens a lot. And I

517
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<v Speaker 1>do like to think that her bar keeps me sharp

518
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, even in conversation, if I'm trying to

519
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<v Speaker 1>be funny with my girlfriend, I gotta if she guesses

520
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<v Speaker 1>three times, she's going to break up with me on

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<v Speaker 1>the spot.

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<v Speaker 3>So I gotta keep my comedy game high.

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<v Speaker 2>So I found it interesting there how you explained how

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<v Speaker 2>you're watching comedy and the cameras as I have a

525
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<v Speaker 2>producer's breen. The night of the attempted assassination of President Trump,

526
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<v Speaker 2>I clicked on CNN because it's what one does, and

527
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<v Speaker 2>I knew it was six point thirty on a Saturday,

528
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<v Speaker 2>so the d team was anchoring and I'm watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like and I'm like, actually, she's doing a really

530
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<v Speaker 2>good job.

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<v Speaker 3>She's doing it.

532
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<v Speaker 2>And I said to my daughter, I go, Wolf Blitzer's

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<v Speaker 2>in a cab and somebody's calling Anderson Cooper in the Hamptons.

534
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<v Speaker 2>Now going, dude, get here right away as soon as

535
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<v Speaker 2>you can get there, And sure enough, top of the

536
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.799
<v Speaker 2>hour came, Wolf's in the chair. You wait another hour,

537
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Anderson's in the chair. So like, I'll tend to watch

538
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<v Speaker 2>breaking news and not actually care about the news part

539
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and just look at all the what's going on behind.

540
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, they got caught with their pants down.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Biden stepped down at one forty six pm on a Sunday,

542
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<v Speaker 2>so nobody's there to cover it, so they're stuck in

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<v Speaker 2>an infomercial.

544
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<v Speaker 3>I love that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's really There was a very funny thing on

546
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<v Speaker 1>Twitter because wolf Blitzer had just tweeted a picture of

547
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<v Speaker 1>him like getting a martini called the wolf Flitzer, and

548
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>he looked like really fun. And then an hour later

549
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>it's him at the desk and he looks a little

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<v Speaker 1>just oh my god, there goes my day.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know you're buzz dude. All right, natural segue.

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<v Speaker 2>You dropped a special because the President announced he wasn't rerunning,

553
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<v Speaker 2>so you released Sorry, I dropped my notes here.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get it. What's the title again? I

555
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<v Speaker 3>want to get it right? A little something special, A

556
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<v Speaker 3>little something special.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so walk me through that was that going to

558
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<v Speaker 2>be part of a longer special? And he went, oh

559
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<v Speaker 2>my god, this chunk just got.

560
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<v Speaker 1>Need Honestly, it was like I was waiting on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple different things to see if they wanted an hour

562
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 1>from me, different streaming networks. Do you want an hour?

563
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Do you want an hour? Do am I going to

564
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>release something on my own? Let's wait, let's see what

565
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 1>they say. And I just have a chunk of material

566
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:34.079
<v Speaker 1>that felt I want to release this yesterday, and it

567
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 1>feels like it feels just so on the pulse, and

568
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.119
<v Speaker 1>I go, well, if you know xyz stream or wat this,

569
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<v Speaker 1>they're going to film it in five months, it'll be

570
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<v Speaker 1>released in a year.

571
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<v Speaker 3>Especially when you're not famous, famous.

572
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 1>You you could record something and it could come out

573
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<v Speaker 1>so far away. Your ability to be topical is more

574
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<v Speaker 1>limited than I think if you were Chris Rock or

575
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<v Speaker 1>John Lady and I think I just had these jokes

576
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 1>and I was like dying to get out there. I

577
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 1>felt like if they came out a year from now,

578
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 1>they just wouldn't be quite as exciting to hear, And

579
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<v Speaker 1>so very last minute, I just picked a weekend I

580
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.599
<v Speaker 1>was doing Comedy Connection in Rhode Island. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>good one night or the year before, so I was like,

582
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<v Speaker 1>this will be good. I guess my opener is also

583
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<v Speaker 1>a great cinematographer and editor and producer. He basically put

584
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<v Speaker 1>it together. We did three cameras, we flew in two people,

585
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 1>and he could very scaled down version and I had

586
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<v Speaker 1>a very specific I was like, I want to do

587
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<v Speaker 1>this fifteen minutes. And it touched on mister Beast, It

588
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 1>touched on trans writes, It touched on Roe v. Wade

589
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>being overturned at abortion rights, and then it opened with

590
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>some jokes about Joe Biden versus Trump again, and just

591
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>one particular joke was how I was able to recycle

592
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 1>all my twenty twenty jokes about them going against each other.

593
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<v Speaker 3>So I felt really good about it.

594
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<v Speaker 1>I was going to just release it and then cut

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<v Speaker 1>it up into clips, and I had a whole schedule

596
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<v Speaker 1>planned for the end of August. I was going to

597
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<v Speaker 1>Australia in August. I said, I'll come back, release this,

598
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<v Speaker 1>do podcasts. And then one night it was my girlfriend's

599
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<v Speaker 1>birthday and I wasn't watching the presidential debate, but I

600
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<v Speaker 1>had a friend who is he's an independent, but he's

601
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<v Speaker 1>he does not want Trump to be president again. And

602
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<v Speaker 1>he was one of the guys who was saying, like Biden,

603
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<v Speaker 1>he's got to stick it out. He's the guy who

604
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<v Speaker 1>can win, and he's just an institutionalist. And he texted

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<v Speaker 1>me in the middle of this dinner he said Biden

606
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<v Speaker 1>needs to drop out right now. And I was like, oh.

607
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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what what could have possibly happened at

608
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<v Speaker 1>the debate and my girlfriend's birthday. Because I'm a workaholic

609
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<v Speaker 1>and because her work is Tommedy, we had agreed that

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<v Speaker 1>this why we weren't going to talk about work. I

611
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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to talk about if it works things. And

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<v Speaker 1>I get this text and suddenly my mind goes racing, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, all my opening jokes are about Biden

614
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<v Speaker 1>being the nominee. And I watched the clips and I said,

615
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<v Speaker 1>this is not looking good. And all the op eds

616
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<v Speaker 1>came out and the next morning I said, they're in

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<v Speaker 1>bed at eight in the morning. I'm just like, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I have to release it today because I

619
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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if it was going to happen that day.

620
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<v Speaker 1>It felt so the first surge of Biden being called

621
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<v Speaker 1>to step down was very intense that first day after

622
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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it could happen that day, Saturday, Sunday, Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I got to get this out now.

624
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<v Speaker 1>And thank god, by editor, we had gotten a lot

625
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<v Speaker 1>of stuff done in advance. Sound was mixed, it was edited,

626
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.759
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't captured, it wasn't clipped. But I basically said, oh,

627
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<v Speaker 1>I got the day wide open. Let's release it by

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<v Speaker 1>three pm today. No podcast, no press. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what he's going to drop out. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>cut the beginning of it off. I don't want to

631
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<v Speaker 1>have to like be like, hey, guys, I know the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning's a little dated, but check it out anyway, And

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<v Speaker 1>we got it done, and by we by my team,

634
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<v Speaker 1>my social media team, my editor, my captioner, my girlfriend

635
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<v Speaker 1>was there to let me run even the clip captions

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<v Speaker 1>by and I was so glad we did. And ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>he stayed in the race, I think for three weeks after,

638
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<v Speaker 1>maybe a month after. But I was so glad that

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<v Speaker 1>we put it out in a time again where it

640
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<v Speaker 1>felt topical. Although I will say it, if I ever

641
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<v Speaker 1>record something like that again, I will be a lot

642
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<v Speaker 1>more hesitant if it's a special to include political material

643
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<v Speaker 1>that isn't very big picture, because that's the risk we

644
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<v Speaker 1>run in comedy, and a lot of comedians the day

645
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Trump's assassinated, comedians now were.

646
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<v Speaker 3>Like going, what's the joke? What's the joke?

647
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<v Speaker 1>People are recording it that night, they're captioning it that night,

648
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 1>and why because on social media, it can pop, It

649
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 1>can get into the stratosphere, it can go viral, it

650
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.279
<v Speaker 1>gets featured in news, and there's a real struggle between

651
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<v Speaker 1>are you just making the obvious joke? Are you just

652
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<v Speaker 1>regurgitating all the natural jokes? That would come out of this.

653
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Do you need time to make a deeper joke? And

654
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<v Speaker 1>have we ultimately made our humor more shallow by feeling

655
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.799
<v Speaker 1>like we need to immediately react to events. That used

656
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<v Speaker 1>to be Late Night's job and they had a writing staff,

657
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>And now it's every comedian the moment a tragedy happens

658
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<v Speaker 1>or anything crazy in the news. We got to be

659
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>like going up in twenty minutes, what's the joke? What's

660
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<v Speaker 1>the joke?

661
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 2>And I had a boss at Sirius who one time asked, us,

662
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<v Speaker 2>how come we don't have our own version of the

663
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<v Speaker 2>Daily Show? And I'm like, me and my staff of two,

664
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're gonna give me twenty writers like you

665
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<v Speaker 2>want us to bang out a half hour of top

666
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<v Speaker 2>notch comedy four nights a week? Are you insen? But

667
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<v Speaker 2>Late Night even now the new cycle so fast you

668
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<v Speaker 2>recorded five thirty. By the time eleven thirty rolls around,

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<v Speaker 2>there's three new things in the news you're not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about in your monologue.

671
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<v Speaker 3>It's really hard. I don't know what to like.

672
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I once had the thought, and I just don't think

673
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it really works in practice. But I always think to myself, Man,

674
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the best jokes. Twitter has made it in a way

675
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<v Speaker 1>where like, the funniest jokes are in the moment, and

676
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>it's because it's it's thousands of people taking a stab,

677
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>and then the ones that go viral are the best,

678
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and you go, these Twitter jokes are better takes than

679
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<v Speaker 1>a writing staff of five on the East Coast. And

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought that when it be fun, if you

681
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<v Speaker 1>have a late night show where somehow they were paid

682
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<v Speaker 1>and they wanted to be a part of this, you

683
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<v Speaker 1>could have. I think if you told me after a

684
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<v Speaker 1>day's events that I could look at the best tweets

685
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.599
<v Speaker 1>and craft a monol out of those jokes, I think

686
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 1>you could have a fucking electric in the moment monologue

687
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.519
<v Speaker 1>that night. Now, obviously would those people be into that,

688
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 1>what would the pay system be, how would it work?

689
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<v Speaker 1>But I do think there is something about telling a

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<v Speaker 1>joke out loud to an audience that gives it an

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<v Speaker 1>extra dimension. And I wish we could combine the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of incredible power of social media making the best jokes

693
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<v Speaker 1>rise to the top and live entertainment. Maybe someone will

694
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<v Speaker 1>try it someday, Maybe I'll try it. It'll fail miserably,

695
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>but that's the problem with topical jokes, and I think

696
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<v Speaker 1>sometimes stand ups in certain scenarios, I have to go,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I don't have the best joke about this,

698
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 1>And if I try to always chase the topical joke,

699
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<v Speaker 1>I'm never going to build the deeper joke that is

700
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<v Speaker 1>more universal, reaches deeper, is more original. And I have

701
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<v Speaker 1>to make sure I have a balance, because if I

702
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 1>lean towards in the moment, I'm just going to create

703
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kind of fluff that expires the next day,

704
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<v Speaker 1>and that's not what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I did want to ask you about feeding the beast.

706
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to bore you with a crowd work discussion,

707
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.719
<v Speaker 2>but it's got to be insane now just to have

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<v Speaker 2>to constantly put up something on social media. And is

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<v Speaker 2>that fight the development cycle of a proper routine to

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<v Speaker 2>use an old timey.

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<v Speaker 1>Word, Yeah, it's very I enjoy again, like I enjoy

712
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<v Speaker 1>that I can put out a joke, I enjoy also

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<v Speaker 1>the capacity I can put out a joke that is,

714
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a good joke, but I wouldn't put

715
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<v Speaker 1>it in a special I think that's cool. Then I

716
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<v Speaker 1>can still get it out there and get some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of visibility awful thing that I like but isn't my

718
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>final forms. So you can use social media, I think,

719
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 1>to feed your creative process. And if some joke does

720
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 1>better than I thought it, that I can go, oh,

721
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<v Speaker 1>is there more there to explore? Can I bring this?

722
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Can I incorporate it into something else? But ultimately, You're right,

723
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:11.199
<v Speaker 1>it's incredibly exhausting, and I think it's very hard to

724
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<v Speaker 1>decide how do I develop my quote unquote act with

725
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>what I'm putting out there, especially the concept of burning material.

726
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of comedians are we used to be.

727
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>My friend Jay Jorden used to be We're comedy stops,

728
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<v Speaker 1>and there was a degree off. You do it on

729
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.800
<v Speaker 1>your Comedy Central, it's burnt, or if you do it

730
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>on your special, it's burnt, And then it's like if

731
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you release it on TikTok, then even if it goes viral,

732
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 1>even if it's seen by millions of people, when you

733
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<v Speaker 1>have a show at Banana's Comedy Club and Hasburg Heights,

734
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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, maybe there's one person in the audience who

735
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<v Speaker 1>saw that clip, and do you get rid of a

736
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<v Speaker 1>joke that's tremendous because that one person, or do you go,

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00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 1>I'll never post my finest material, okay, but then you

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00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>don't have any fucking fans because you didn't put enough

739
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<v Speaker 1>out there to build up a fan base.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw Mike Bribigley last night.

741
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<v Speaker 1>At the Comedy Cellar and he was mentioning how he

742
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 1>said there's some jokes from his first album I believed

743
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 1>that he had done on a show recently, and he

744
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 1>was shocked because nobody had heard them before. And there's

745
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this thought of, oh my god, why would I not

746
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>do this incredible joke I worked on for so long

747
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 1>and made so good, and no one in the audience

748
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>knows it. And I'm not doing it because why Because

749
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<v Speaker 1>that's the comic code, because there could have been two

750
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 1>people who knew it. All those conversations I think are evolving,

751
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 1>and I'm figuring out an hour that I want.

752
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<v Speaker 3>To film, and I have to come up with my

753
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 3>own rules. I did a set on Netflix. Not a

754
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.079
<v Speaker 3>lot of people saw it. Is it okay?

755
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>If I use one line that's a really good bridge

756
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 1>between my divorced material and my theater material.

757
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<v Speaker 3>I've asked myself that in some cases, I go, yeah,

758
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 3>this is a shit backit. Just do it.

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00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 1>If it makes the hour great, do it. This is

760
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people's introduction to you. And then there's

761
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the other part of me that goes, I should move on,

762
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I should leave it behind, I should write something new,

763
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's every comedian is going to have to decide

764
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<v Speaker 1>their own rules that evolve. And it does make it harder.

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<v Speaker 1>It does make it a lot harder.

766
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<v Speaker 3>But also.

767
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<v Speaker 1>He gives me an ability to show my best joke

768
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<v Speaker 1>to someone who's never going to watch a comedy special.

769
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<v Speaker 1>If I have a joke about drag queens, it's going

770
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<v Speaker 1>to get to an audience of people who will never

771
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>see a comedy show, who will never go to Netflix

772
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 1>to watch a comedy special. But they did get to

773
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<v Speaker 1>watch a minute of me telling a joke that I'm

774
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 1>really proud of. You win some you lose.

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<v Speaker 2>So that makes sense to me, especially pulling out a

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<v Speaker 2>line or two. And any artist is going to have

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<v Speaker 2>their super fans. But oh, we heard this already. I

778
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<v Speaker 2>liked him better when he was in the clubs. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think that makes a lot of sense. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, as you were speaking the other way, if

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be very old now, but if sixty five year

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<v Speaker 2>old George Carlin We're playing Carnegie Hall tonight and went

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<v Speaker 2>into baseball and football. I'm not sure I'd be upset.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, oh cool, I get to hear carl

785
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<v Speaker 2>and do that now. I would hope the rest of

786
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<v Speaker 2>the hour were new. But if he went into that

787
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<v Speaker 2>thirty years later, it almost like the stones dusting off

788
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<v Speaker 2>start me up. I'd be like, Okay, I think it's again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think someone told me that Louis c k back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day after his shows, he would come out

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<v Speaker 1>and say, are there any bits you want to hear?

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<v Speaker 1>And he would like, let the audience request their favorite bits,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would do it like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think comedy is relative to music, is still a

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<v Speaker 1>younger art form, and I do think there's room for

797
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<v Speaker 1>us to figure out, like, oh, you know what they

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<v Speaker 1>do like when I go into this chuck, they do

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<v Speaker 1>like if I bring this thing back and maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>do it as an encore, maybe you slip it in

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<v Speaker 1>there a bunch amongst and a lot of other new stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I do have that it's

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<v Speaker 1>an old school impulse that was kind of taught to

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<v Speaker 1>me of just if they know if they've heard it before,

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00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.039
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna like it. And I just think the

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<v Speaker 1>world is too fractured in terms of you have a

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<v Speaker 1>special on HBO and nobody sees it. The world is

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<v Speaker 1>too fractured to live by those old rules, because then

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<v Speaker 1>what happens is if you're trying to churn out too

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<v Speaker 1>much new material. And I struggle with this too, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't become as strong. I have jokes that I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you when I first started telling a worse version

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<v Speaker 1>of them five years ago, five years ago, seven years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and I go, it didn't reach its vital form until

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<v Speaker 1>so many years. And with our current system, it's hard

816
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.559
<v Speaker 1>to think that a joke would live that long without

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<v Speaker 1>being quote unquote burnt.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're all going to have to navigate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I've seen a lot of comedians used

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<v Speaker 1>to be very strict about levoz on comedy centrals. It's done,

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<v Speaker 1>completely give up on that notion because that's just not

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<v Speaker 1>what's supported anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there peer pressure from the back of the room.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at John Marco's being lazy, He's just doing his

825
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<v Speaker 2>good joke. You get that crap.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a little bit less. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>it was like. I've been doing comedy for ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it was like back in the day,

829
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<v Speaker 1>if like comedians watched each other more or commented more.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, unless someone like really does not ever seem

831
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<v Speaker 3>to change their act at all, I don't think people

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<v Speaker 3>go always doing that bit. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>I notice the people who I go, Jesus Christ, you

834
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<v Speaker 1>haven't changed a single bit of your fifteen minute set?

835
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<v Speaker 3>Aren't you bored?

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I think, and I don't think this is good,

837
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<v Speaker 1>but I think comedians' eyes are more unlike how each

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<v Speaker 1>other is succeeding in this career, more than artistically. And

839
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's good. But I think we're in

840
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<v Speaker 1>such a doggy dog world. It's such a real ruthless climb.

841
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>That's where people's minds are right now.

842
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>I always found it as a civilian, not a comedian,

843
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>never want to be a comedian, not claiming to be

844
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 2>a comedian, not a performer obviously, but just as a

845
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 2>guy in clubs. I always found that the comics either

846
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:28.400
<v Speaker 2>appreciated if one of their peers was crushing or eating it.

847
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>They would find if you were eating it fun as well.

848
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>It was that middle ground of you're not even trying.

849
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.360
<v Speaker 2>That tend to be the comedy snobbery.

850
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's times when I'm working on more news stuff

851
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.199
<v Speaker 1>and immediately I go, I'm not doing really well. Everyone

852
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 1>watching here is things that I suck. And then I

853
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.000
<v Speaker 1>try to remind myself that when I see comics that

854
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I really admire working on new material, I can tell

855
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and I don't judge them for it. I go, yeah,

856
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 1>that's what you're using this Sunday night spot at the

857
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 1>bar show for. And I think that impulse to crush

858
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 1>is always there, and you have to fight it sometimes.

859
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.079
<v Speaker 3>I remember just seeing Bill Burr at a comedy club.

860
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And he was like he wasn't doing great, and he

861
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>was very clearly like sticking on a topic and just

862
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>hidden every possible thought he had on that topic. And

863
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure the audience, as they do with more famous comedians,

864
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 1>went like, yeah, he was okay, but I.

865
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Knew from the back of the room as a comedian.

866
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, this is his workout room, my

867
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>hot Friday night show room at a comedy club in

868
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 1>New York. For this moment, I need to use this

869
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>because I'm doing Madison Square Garden tomorrow. I'm going to work,

870
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>and I think the great comics and the prolific comics

871
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 1>they have to fight that urge to kill every time

872
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and bombs sometimes if it means take a risk, and

873
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 1>you see someone kill with the same set for years,

874
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.079
<v Speaker 1>I do think, I go, what's the point though?

875
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.880
<v Speaker 3>What's the point of killing on this random bar show

876
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.480
<v Speaker 3>right now? With jokes already work one hundred percent? What

877
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 3>do you gain?

878
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.519
<v Speaker 1>And when I'm doing spots, I really like to gain something.

879
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I like to learn something, and if I don't, who cares.

880
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I always appreciate an artist going for it, even

881
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 2>if it misses like I as a snob. I hate

882
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>the sitcom with the dead that looks like me, that

883
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:35.119
<v Speaker 2>could lose some weight and has the hot younger wife

884
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and she thinks he's stupid, and We've seen the sitcom

885
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 2>five hundred times and I'm like, you're not even trying.

886
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Whereas I appreciate something that is coming from a different

887
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 2>angle aspiring to be something, which is my lead in

888
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.719
<v Speaker 2>to ask you about theater Adult, which I don't want

889
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 2>to misdescribe, but as I read it, and I'd rather

890
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.719
<v Speaker 2>you explain it, here's somebody trying to do something.

891
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Basically, I came from this acting background and I have

892
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of theater jokes related things talking about theater.

893
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.159
<v Speaker 1>I would have people complain about my podcast they go

894
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ another musical theater episode where you talk all

895
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 1>about community theater and bad shows and teachers and all

896
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 1>of that. That says to me is that, oh, okay,

897
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I have a very specific interest that I do

898
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 1>want to cultivate. I'm drawn to and so it's okay.

899
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.880
<v Speaker 1>So where in my life can I create a vessel

900
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 1>for all my theater thoughts, my theater jokes, my my

901
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 1>theater just talking about it. So I made the show

902
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Theater Adult, and we're about to have our second one

903
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 1>at Joe's Pub where I open it with some stand

904
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>up and I get to go deeper into my theater jokes.

905
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Fred Armisson did a comedy special where it was for drummers,

906
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, if you never drummed, you're not going.

907
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 3>To get most of the jokes.

908
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, this is for all the people who

909
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.440
<v Speaker 1>this is for theater kids, this is for people who

910
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>did theater, who do theater, who love theater, and I

911
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 1>can go deeper into the those jokes get more specific

912
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 1>and then I can do I do a lot of

913
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of crowd work at my headlining shows,

914
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 1>and I love talking to people about their theater disasters,

915
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.599
<v Speaker 1>the shows they did in high school and what do

916
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>they do now, How does being.

917
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 3>A theater kid.

918
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Does it play into their own life now? What are

919
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 1>they like when they do karaoke? So I want to

920
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>create like a show where I could open with my

921
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.800
<v Speaker 1>theater standup, go into my theater crowd work, and then

922
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>from the podcast side of it, get someone who either

923
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 1>used to be a theater kid and now is whatever

924
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer and just an actor, a comedian, or someone

925
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.079
<v Speaker 1>who is on Broadway but did theater when they were younger.

926
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I focus on that part of their life and I

927
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.639
<v Speaker 1>want to find out about the disastrous performances, the summer

928
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>camps where they came out of the closet an acting class.

929
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear that story. I want to use

930
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the theater to talk about deeper things about their own life,

931
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:56.199
<v Speaker 1>their family, their romantic life, their dreams, their failures, and

932
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 1>then just to make my dreams come true in fuse

933
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 1>it with a little bit of singing, so I have

934
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>my guests sing some songs from their old high school productions,

935
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.159
<v Speaker 1>even if they're totally wrong for it. Lot of there's

936
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of non Jews who played Teva and sitting

937
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>around the roofs and I go, here's a space where

938
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I give you permission you can do if I were

939
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a rich man. And then at the end I join

940
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 1>in for a duet from my own theater past. So

941
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>it's just like a space that I think I can

942
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 1>infuse my comedic sensibilities with my love for theater and

943
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the nostalgia of a lot of us when we were

944
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 1>in school, was I have a sports or theater that

945
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 1>was just the division. And so there's a big swath

946
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of people out there who have this experience who, even

947
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.519
<v Speaker 1>if they don't love theater, now they did it and

948
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 1>they can enjoy talking about it. And I'm really excited

949
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:52.760
<v Speaker 1>about just making it a more regular show in New

950
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 1>York at comedy festivals where I can get a really

951
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 1>cool guest that people are excited to hear about their past,

952
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 1>use it to just have conversations that they haven't they

953
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have a normal interview circumstance.

954
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that'd be great for festivals, definitely great for

955
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 2>New York. I love the feedback of stop talking about

956
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>theater on your podcast. That's like, hey, Rogan, stop with

957
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.559
<v Speaker 2>the MMA talk like you know, you know. One of

958
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the things if you google you, theater kid tends to

959
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:20.519
<v Speaker 2>come up.

960
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Like Rogan like it's a and shouts people who go

961
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.159
<v Speaker 1>into Rogan ago, it's it's another it's an MMA guy,

962
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I'll skip this one.

963
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 3>And it's yeah, that's fine.

964
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>That's fine too, And that's why Rogan ultimately he goes

965
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>on the it does panel for the MMA and it's okay,

966
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.039
<v Speaker 1>you find a space for your interest too.

967
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you go because we're way over, and I

968
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.360
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you giving me so much time. I didn't want

969
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 2>to ask you how much you enjoyed Australia. I was

970
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 2>there in twenty fifteen. I just loved it, and it's

971
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.559
<v Speaker 2>not easy to get to, especially for a East Coast,

972
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.360
<v Speaker 2>but I would love to get back and just I

973
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 2>want to someday in my maybe in my sixties. I'm

974
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna tell my wife I'm going away for three weeks.

975
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I want to rent a car and just drive around

976
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the entire circumference. Growing up in Queens, I'm always attracted

977
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.440
<v Speaker 2>to nothing. If I go out to Arizona or Nevada,

978
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 2>I like going out in the middle of nowhere and

979
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.599
<v Speaker 2>being around nothing. So there's something about Australia that appeals

980
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 2>to me because, all right, they're Sydney, there's Millbourne. But

981
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.159
<v Speaker 2>if I go thirty miles that way, I could be

982
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:20.199
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of nowhere.

983
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>That's very that's a you sound like an easy vacation,

984
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 1>or that sounds like easy.

985
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 3>It's the I loved Australia.

986
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.079
<v Speaker 1>I think first of all, the comedy was great in

987
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the sense that, like, they know so much about America

988
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.800
<v Speaker 1>that I didn't really have to adjust to what I

989
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about.

990
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I was able to just play with with.

991
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Just American topics and they understood everything, and they're excited

992
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.119
<v Speaker 1>because they know this is the one time I'm going

993
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to be there, probably for two years maybe, And the

994
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:56.360
<v Speaker 1>audiences were just so just smart, and we're very much

995
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>people who have known my work for years and there

996
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>was never a chance to see me. So they just

997
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 1>bring that excitement to the shows. And in terms of

998
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the country, it's the food, it's incredible, the views are astounding. Sydney.

999
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:14.039
<v Speaker 1>The bridge in Sydney was just so pretty, at night.

1000
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I could never be that chill. The people there are

1001
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:22.000
<v Speaker 1>very chill. Everything moved at a much slower pace, and

1002
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I think after a week and a half I'd be like, oh,

1003
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 1>come on, please, please, can I have a refol of

1004
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:27.320
<v Speaker 1>my water?

1005
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:28.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm begging you.

1006
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.599
<v Speaker 1>But it was really it was a special trip and

1007
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:35.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to go down even longer next time because

1008
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just different world, dude.

1009
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't make it to New Zealand. When I went,

1010
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it was long enough ago that I used a travel

1011
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:43.719
<v Speaker 2>agent to help me put this trip together. Sure, and

1012
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>the travel agent was like, you can't do Australia New

1013
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Zealand in two weeks, you need that's a separate trip.

1014
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:50.840
<v Speaker 2>But you hit New Zealand. How was it?

1015
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.760
<v Speaker 3>It was fast and furious. The food was just so great.

1016
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 1>I just got there's so many There's just so much

1017
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:03.400
<v Speaker 1>like Japanese food in New Zealand, and sashimi which I love,

1018
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and fresh fish and I didn't I wasn't really into

1019
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>doing the Lord of the Rings thing, and it was

1020
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the trip, so I was a

1021
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.519
<v Speaker 1>little bit worn out. But just the food, just every

1022
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 1>single meal, you go, what are they feeding us in America?

1023
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Because everything here.

1024
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Is feels fresh, if the blueberries are bigger, and.

1025
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.199
<v Speaker 3>Next time I hope I can hop around the islands

1026
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 3>a little more.

1027
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, shen Marco. Thank you for your time today.

1028
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Looking forward to seeing you on the Botta Being Comedy

1029
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Jam during US Paul and then coming to to Netflix.

1030
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that. Thanks, thank you, appreciate it.

1031
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Shenmarco is a razy Thank you for coming on the show,

1032
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>repeat guest. He's really fantastic and he is one of

1033
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Vulture's comedians that you will know and should know. And

1034
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.639
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about that list on tomorrow's podcast and see

1035
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<v Speaker 2>it then