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ready for that. BYU Utah Holy War the rivalry game,
Big noon kickoff is coming to town.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be there in the morning.
Speaker 3: Make sure you show up, show out, get there early,
create your signs and see if you can get on
live television. And Utah's the favorite in this game. They
are objectively if you look at some of the advanced analytics, okay,
they are a slightly better team for ESPN SP plus
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and analysts Massey and Sagarin. There's a slight favorite there
even on the objective data to the Utes, and so
Vegas came out with their line and they're favoring the
Utes even though BYU's at home. But we all know
anything can happen in this game. Baus on a two
game winning streak right now, and they're looking to make
it three. They want to send Kyle Witdingham off into
the into retirement, and you hope that BYU can come
out Victoria's and continue down their their quest for staying undefeated.
In this twenty twenty five season. They're looking good, as
are the Utes. Their only loss is to Texas Tech.
They Texas Tech's the best team in the conference. I
don't think there's any question about that. And Texas Tech
maybe one of the best teams, maybe top five teams
in college football this year.
Speaker 1: They look different.
Speaker 3: They had to pay for it and they are built
different through the nil transfer portal era. So we're gonna
delve into all the knicks and grandis as it relates
to the BYU Utah game.
Speaker 1: We got to start study cast for you.
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of the Star study cast.
Speaker 1: Joining us for this.
Speaker 3: Wednesday, October fifteenth edition of Cougar Sports, one of my
favorite insiders has joined us. He's a fantastic rider for
the Daily Herald. He's been covering the coog Sor for
twenty years. Now let's welcome in the g man, Brandon
see Gurdy?
Speaker 1: What was that g man? I covered Ben Krittle when
he was a player. That's how old I am old? Now, yeah,
season seasoned indeeds. Right.
Speaker 3: What's the biggest lessons you've learned over the last twenty
years about covering the BYU Cougar football team?
Speaker 4: Some things are not worth knowing about the football team.
That is absolutely the number one thing I've learned since
covering Bay year. And I think you know what I'm
talking about here, but one thing you have, Like I
started Total Blue Sports and that was like the insider site,
and you have a lot of people around the have
lots of family members, lots of big donors, and they
tell you information is juicy that you think is great,
but you can't really do anything with the information. So
guess what, I don't even want to know it anyway.
That's what thing I learned. That's probably a little too deep,
maybe that's that's not what you're looking for, but that's
absolutely the number one lesson I've learned since becoming a
reporter is there's information that's worth knowing and there's information
that no, I don't really want to know it's not
really worth it.
Speaker 1: So there you.
Speaker 4: Go, going deep just saying with this, I don't care
what the players do off the field. That's that's that's
their interest. That that's that's that's not my concern. That's
not my job. So anyway, I got you. I reach
here you go, I reach a loud and clear.
Speaker 1: Did I go a little too deep on that? You know?
I like to go deep. I like to go deep.
But that's absolutely the number one thing I've learned. So yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: A great lesson to learn, in my opinion, and I'm
glad you learned it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm glad you learned it. I heard all sorts
of dirt about Cridle, all sorts of dirt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me living in the condemned home of my grandparents
off of nineties Palmo, all manner of debauchery, shenanigans.
Speaker 1: They called it.
Speaker 3: The I have multi generational like multiplying and replenishing there.
I didn't get to multiply and replenish there, unfortunately, but
many did Grandma and grandpa, mom and dad, uncles and aunts.
My I mean, look I got, I got, I got
a lot of posterity that came forth from the love shack.
It's now now it's a duplex. They tore it down
and built a duplex because the church kept on, b
y you rather kept on uh trying to buy it
at like a discounted rate. They wanted that tithing discount.
They wanted that. The LDS discounts didn't play ball with that. Well,
the Websters, like Grandpa Webster wasn't about that action. No, no,
he was not about that action. You're gonna you're gonna
pay market rate. You're gonna pay market rate. And so
finally I think Grandpa Webster is like, not, I'm building
a duplex. Oh man, Grandma Webster is like to sell
it to mom super Christ, just.
Speaker 1: Sell it to him. Hell no, I gonna sell it
to him. Good for grand.
Speaker 3: Military man, boxer basket competitive dude had thirteen kids, you
know he just yeah, he just poor.
Speaker 1: Kid after kid.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Uh, they had joy and rejoicing in their posterity,
no doubt about it. Grateful for their their uh, their
grittynessh and their their their competitiveness and also uh Grandpa's
uh and and Grandma's virility and potency and creating prosterity. Anyway,
Let's get into something on the field, shall we uh.
Let's also welcome in Ronald the three Man. We were
to the show Ronnie, how you live It great? That's
a great opening a bottle log by you.
Speaker 1: Those things.
Speaker 5: I always love it, I laugh, gim and I too
had to learn that lesson. I won't reveal too much,
but I twoted out a certain injury and I learned
my lesson very young about sometimes it's a good just
to know certain things, but not know some things. So
you have to you have to go through the refiners.
Fire experience is always good. So I too have learned that.
But I've taken a lesson from you and Ben. I
write down every lesson you guys tell me.
Speaker 3: It's good to to to to learn from the wise.
I wouldn't call me wise, but g Man definitely wise.
Let's welcome in Bred always bringing the hammer hammer time
show what's up?
Speaker 1: Buddy?
Speaker 6: Every time g Man and Ben Krittle get together, it
is always something. Typically it's the over usage of the
word girth, but today it was something different on the
same vein.
Speaker 4: In the all entirety, Yeah, girth is overused, not by me.
Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest, Gernie, he's he's been known to
to to be girthy. He's look at I'm looking right
out girthy Gurnie's they can squat the house, but very strong.
Speaker 1: And I also have a girth of knowledge.
Speaker 3: And a girth of knowledge, no doubt about it. Shout
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UTAH dot com. All right, let's get in to some
sound from Aaron Rodgers. Now, bear Bachmeyer had to tote
the ball twenty two times, and he's been averaging up
to that point before this last game. I think it
was around like twelve totes per game. He's a big body,
six two two thirty two thirty five. He can take
probably some some beatings and some wear and tear on
the body, but twenty two seems like a lot. A
rod isn't sustainable to keep running bear Bachmeyer this much.
Speaker 7: No, we just had to do it for that one game,
is uh. That was our weather game plan. Yeah, we
had two. We had two separate call sheets, one for
good weather, one for bad weather. And after the rain delay,
we went to the We went to plan B.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What's interesting is the second and third quarter did not
There wasn't as many totes from bear Bachmeer, And the
fourth quarter is when those in ot those totes.
Speaker 1: Came came to pass.
Speaker 3: Because I tweeted out, I'm like, up to this point
in the game, bear Bachmer I felt it like we
needed to run Bear more in order to win that
game because LJ was getting pretty high in his in
his his volume, and I'm like, we got to find
a one to two punch here, and the easiest thing
to do is Bear Bachmeyer. Preston I think has potential.
I just don't think like he's a different type of back.
Him and Joe Vessa are going to be different types
of backs. So but we didn't really see Joe Vessa.
It was Preston's RB two role because Joevessa maybe coughed
up of football.
Speaker 1: The week before.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I knew it was Bear Tom, I just didn't
know it was fifteen more totes.
Speaker 4: The most interesting thing Bear said in his interview was
when he took the podium and he looked at the
stat sheeting and goes, wow, twenty two carries. The first
thing he said, oh wow, holy cow. Yeah he was gassed.
Holy And I yeah, I'm I'm I really like what
a Rod said there, because I think there's this no
show he's in this dry but he can do that.
Speaker 1: Hey, Rod knows he can't be doing that every game.
It can't be.
Speaker 4: I mean he's got that big lower body. You think
he's in this and but then bam, he's broken down.
Speaker 1: He can't do it.
Speaker 4: And Bear exclaiming that and just reacting the way he
did kind of told me, yeah, I'm feeling it. I'm
feeling every single one of those twenty two carries. He's
willing to do it. He's willing to do everything he
can for the team. But nah, you don't want to
do that moving forward. He got to use that throw
game and continues to frustrate me. Beyond him the b
WA he does not have that number two running back.
They just don't. He can't depend on any of those guys.
They're just not there. You'd think now Wahini could be
afforded more carries. I don't know. It's kind of weird
to me that he's not. But man, LJ is absolutely
the most indispensable person on this entire team, and that
includes a Bear babber.
Speaker 1: They cannot lose LJ. He can't slow down. He is
doing so much right now. Yeah, that's so much.
Speaker 3: Who's the most valuable football player on By's football team
right now?
Speaker 4: It's LJ. I don't think it's even close. I really don't,
Jack Kelly. I think we saw how valuable he is
last game and I will listen to that argument for me.
But for me right now, the guy that goes out
that you cannot replace because they have pretty good linebackers
like Ace Cafus can get it done. LJ goes out. Uh,
who's getting it done? Logan Pain? Maybe I'd give Logan
a chance. I really like Logan actually, but could.
Speaker 3: You make an argument for like the offensive line as
a position group though I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Uh No, I as far as what I'm talking about
is just the differential between one and two is so
vast between LG. Martin and what's behind him that you
just can't lose what's above him.
Speaker 1: As Kfusi's pretty good, right.
Speaker 4: I mean he's not Jack Kelly, but you can put
Aston and yeah he can, he can get things done.
There's a backup safeties, there's a backup offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Obvious line.
Speaker 4: I think I think the especially if the tackle position
you might be in trouble.
Speaker 1: But guard, yeah, pretty good depth there, I.
Speaker 5: Think for offense since LJ. Martin and then split it
up the defense. I'll go Jack Kelly. Then you're right, Uh,
Gurney's right. Ace, the depth linebacker's good but don't play
Jack Kelly this week.
Speaker 1: And you let me know how it goes. Yeah, they
need like they I'm not trying to be rude you.
Speaker 5: That may work against Arizona, but that's not gonna work
against the Utah or Iowa State or a Texas Tech
or a TCU. Like Jack is just as valuable as LJS,
but on the defensive side of the ball, saw separate
it and go on offense since LJ defense is Jack
Kelly because if you don't have Sack Kelly, it was
tougher for Isaiah at times like you see that, and
so he had an interception, right, you know, He's still
a phenomenal player, but Jack being able to spy and
rush gives you a different element. And they did miss him.
You did see it. So I'll go Jack on defense.
I'll go LJ modern offense, and I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: I noted in the game. And a lot of people
have been in frustrated with the opposite. Why are round
locking and all that? Well, well, guess what they're stacking
that box and as already stacked the box, and guess
what happened, Wow, they suddenly have holes. L J can
run like you did against Portland State. It's it's not
the offensive line so much as what's been schemed against
that that offensive line, Arizona had very good cornerbacks. They
had very good coverages, and Bear saw coverages that he
hadn't seen before, a lot of holding, grabbing, really good
prep for Utah. I'm really glad he saw that and
the receivers saw that, because I think they're gonna be
that much better taking on Utah having seen that, I
think youa is gonna go back to stack in the
box though. I think that's going to be the game plan,
and and you're gonna be afford more single coverage looks
than you did against Arizona. Plus, not only Utah's defensive
backs are as good as Arizones. Man, I'm going on
a tangent here, aren't I? But anyway, I'm gonna continue.
But LJ is fantastic. I don't think we can overstate
just how important he is to this team. And I'm
really glad that he got his flowers for last game
because in the offensive line, I thought the offensive line
was fantastic in that game. The pass pro Andrew Janstrick
can bust open a line.
Speaker 1: He can bust some holes.
Speaker 4: He is really good that right side off tackle and
Isay is doing okay on that left side, but off
tackle right, that's where b way he's making it. Say,
if you notice Lj's runs, it's it's it's off tackle right.
That's where it's getting done right there. And guess well
that's gonna be away from John Henry Daily. That's right
at at Fana, who's pretty good. But yeah, that's that's where,
that's where it's getting it done. And and yeah, I
just wanted to point that out because I think the
offensive line has gotten kind of a bad rub most
of the season.
Speaker 1: They were very good against Arizona.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting dynamic the tackle versus d ns
UH in this BYU Utah game.
Speaker 1: Who's going to win that?
Speaker 3: Isaiah Jada and Andrew Gentry or John Henry Daily and
Logan Fano.
Speaker 1: John Henry Daily alignment versus Isaiah.
Speaker 4: Jada is the matchup of the game in my opinion,
big one.
Speaker 1: That is a big matchup.
Speaker 3: Getting back to Aaron Rodercks dound here in the Nady
gritty off as a coordinator, b yu the with ten
minutes to go in the fourth you ran almost seven
minutes off the clock on that drive.
Speaker 1: Was that all part of the play in.
Speaker 8: Absolutely? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yea, we we you know that we have an analytics
book that gives us an idea of how many possessions
are left in the game.
Speaker 8: We're down two.
Speaker 7: Scores, and I thought, as a staff and as the players,
manage that pretty darn well. We left them with eighteen
seconds left at the end of the game, tied the
game with eighteen seconds left.
Speaker 8: It was It was exactly as we planned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was masterful. A lot of media memories were like, well,
aren't the hurry up? I thought it was great. It
was fantastic.
Speaker 1: What be what he was able to do.
Speaker 4: It was game management. It was knowing what you got,
what you can execute. And I think that's what Bears shown.
I think that's the most impressive thing about him is
he doesn't get outside of himself. He understands situations, he
doesn't try to do too much, and you saw that
exemplified on that final drive. Yeah, and he was fantastic.
And the way a Rods managed it has been phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And when they that passed to Chase, Roberts said, you know,
could have been a touchdown, but wasn't. It was a
big time blessing in disguise that it was not. Because
there were fifty five seconds left on that clock. Arizona
can do a lot of things well that afforded that
much time. So that absolutely worked to be always advantage
of taking a knee so instead, Yeah, anyway, I phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a yeah.
Speaker 3: I think you know, from a fear factors standpoint, the
thought was, you a's offense has moved the ball pretty
effectively versus ba's defense between you know, the post rain delay,
and they could pick up a first down and then
you're gonna have to eat up all your timeouts, right
and and so in what it was like a two
and a half two and a half minutes left or
whatever when they got the ball. And so if they
they were to pick up a few first downs and
you're eating up those timeouts, you don't have enough time
to just get a three and out. That that's the
fear there. But they ended up getting that. They ended
up getting in and they only had to use freaking
one was it one time out?
Speaker 4: I mean, he was relying on that offensive line. He
knew that offensive line was getting it done and relying
on to get him off the field. Yeah, and you know,
and like not not allowed for first downs, must knowing
the situation as understanding what your team can do well
and executing it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Going back to the A rods sound. How much do
you use analytics and your decision making?
Speaker 7: It guides most of the decisions we make in a
game as far as strategy. You know, doesn't not every
play calls, but yeah, I mean, uh and I you know,
I learned about it first at Utah up the road.
Speaker 8: With coach Wit.
Speaker 1: Give him some love to coach with, give me a
little tip of the cap, or we can't do that.
Speaker 4: Gotta have the facials and enemy, right, you gotta comport
yourself petulant week?
Speaker 1: Is that what you're supposed to do in these rivalry games.
That's that's what Kyle Whittingham does, is that right? You man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just focusing on us, that's all we're doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: To me, it's silly, stupid, But I'll comment on Sam
levittret will you know last.
Speaker 1: Week that's stupid.
Speaker 4: So yeah, for those not on Twitter, I looked up
his press conference and he whackx pretty eloquently and about
Sam Levitt bere Bob, And he wasn't even.
Speaker 1: Asked about Sam Levit.
Speaker 4: He just volunteered it because guess what, that's what coaches
normally do. And Kyle Winningham's kind of a normal coach,
but something grabs a hold of that dude when it's
b yu weak, ah, focusing, awesome, and he's been good
with it.
Speaker 1: He knows what motivates his team.
Speaker 4: It's not about me, it's not about Ben Krutal, it's
not about Ron we were the third.
Speaker 1: It's about his team, right. You know, he don't care.
He doesn't care what we think.
Speaker 4: He cares about winning that dang game and he believes
that's the best way to motivate his team. So he
has a bunch of players that need that pettiness, They
need that. They can't rise above that, I guess, or
at least Kyle Whittingham believes that where Kilani shows the
love because he believes he has a mature team that
can rise above that and still give their best effort.
Speaker 1: Two different approaches.
Speaker 4: But I think where Kyle witting have fails in this
regard is the outside perception. Recruits are seeing that parents
of recruits are seeing that, and I think Kilane and
transfer portal candidates are seeing that. I think one of
the reasons Keanu A ton of Us is now in
Royal Blue is I'll be what he comports itself under Klannie,
probably more so.
Speaker 1: Than he saw it Utah. I think that's absolutely a
reason Klannie is winning in at regard.
Speaker 4: He's embracing what he is the message of the university.
Speaker 1: We don't want con to be anything different than who
he is, and he is.
Speaker 3: You gotta remember, he's an undersized mike linebackers that became
a whack defensive Player of the Year at BYU and
talking trash to Steve Young and Jim mcma.
Speaker 1: And that's who he is.
Speaker 4: And I don't want this to sound like I'm ripping
too much on Kyle Whittingham because exactly what you said,
you play.
Speaker 1: To your restraint. That's who he is.
Speaker 4: Bronco can't be Klannie. Klonnie cannot be Bronco, So you
don't try it. Just is what he is. He knows
that type of motivation and that's what he exudes, So
go for it. And he saw a really good initial success,
initial success being the keyword. I I don't believe Utah
has those in They're very good, right, but I don't
believe that Utah has those pregame advantages that we saw
so many times throughout the Arab independence. I don't think
they're there anymore, I really, But anyway, it is what
it is.
Speaker 1: Again. I went on a massive tangent. Everybody wanted to address.
Speaker 3: That anyway you said regarding the way Ky Whittingham chose
to handle the rivalry this week. I think it's silly
and bit petulant. But it's hardly about me or you,
or Kate w or Kyle Whittingham couldn't care less. It's
entirely about motivating his own team, and he feels that
not addressing anything BA you, let alone even mentioning any
of its players individually, is the best way to help
motivate his team. He knows his team and that is
what he believes works, and his record in doing it
this way has been stellar, at least initially. As you
stay Becaulanie chooses that completely different approach. So follow g
Man on Twitter as he he bestows wisdom to all
of us.
Speaker 4: I got a lot of really stupid comments from fans
under that, oh you did really stupid, Like what if
they say, ja, Man, I don't know, but but but
the worst thing you can do is respond to stupid comments,
so I don't do it.
Speaker 1: But man, there were some spectacularly stupid comments.
Speaker 5: My dad never said stupid comso and this is going
to be a shot. No, I'm sorry if it is.
But but dad says, never stupid comments, stupid people.
Speaker 1: So take that, take that away, how you name, Well,
they were probably stupid people.
Speaker 3: By by the anyway, having been at both schools, A Rod,
how is the preparation different between the two head coaches.
Speaker 7: I don't think there's much of a difference. Both teams
know it's a really important game. It's you know, I
think both teams know it's not just a regular game.
And so yeah, there's not much difference.
Speaker 1: Not much difference. Well, he said about as little as
possible with that response. He's not he's not taking any bait.
Speaker 4: Maybe another coach will take a Rod's exactly the wrong
coach to take bait.
Speaker 1: He don't play that. He does not play that. He
answered that very you imagine.
Speaker 3: You know, like what would he say, like, let's go,
what's the theory on that?
Speaker 5: It's also not as nature you go personality like, that's
not who a Rod is.
Speaker 1: He's never been that. I'll tell you what I've really
liked about Aaron.
Speaker 4: I sawt after the Arizona game, and I saw it
after the Colorado game. That dude got excited. He was
hugging people. I don't know if I share this on her,
but I'm just standing there and I hear like I
feel like a side hug and it's Hey, Rod, I'm like,
do you know who? I don't think you do, but
that he was kissing babies. He was excited. He was
just in the grew like I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I got people are.
Speaker 4: Because I was Bear's coming out game. He showed things
that I think ay Ron body had. But seeing that
he was, he was, he was sky high, he was
flye was. It's just really cool to see a guy
like a Rod in that demeanor, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So, I mean he's a call him the bespectacled UH
strategist from the booth, right, That's who he is. He's
a film junkie, highly analytical, not overly extroverted in public forums. Uh,
He's always been that guy and so UH to see
the elation right, his his you know, jovial nature after win.
I think that was contrasting to what some people believe
about him. And you know, you want to be you
want to be able to celebrate these moments, these wins
one hundred percent. We all need to do that in
all our lives. Yeah, all right, let's go to break.
We'll get into question Pollada coming up next. There was
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Speaker 1: G Man, I know you're keeping the faith of this
BA football team.
Speaker 3: Do you think b Yu is going to get a
win versus the Utes uh this weekend?
Speaker 1: It's really surprising.
Speaker 4: A lot of the BWAU fans I speak with family
members otherwise, they they really don't think Bway's gonna win
this game. Oh, Utah's just that dominant and all that.
I'm not seeing it. I think I think it's gonna
be a very close game. What gives me pause is
b what you was very fortunate to win last year's game.
You saw a significant banning that Uti zooted, particularly with
their defensive line versus Bway's offensive front. I don't believe
Utah's defensive front is quite as good as it was
last year, and I believe the Bwayu's offensive front is better.
I think it's gonna be able to mitigate a lot
of that. The Way's defense is better. I think it's
bee Way. He's going to have a game plan for
Devon dam Pier. I think it's gonna be effective, and
I think he's gonna have to throw that football. I
do not see him gashing up and down the field
like he did against Arizona State. I don't believe that's
going to happen. It's what I'm saying is take the under.
It's going to be something. I also think YOUA is
gonna stack that box, are gonna take away LJ. Martin,
and Bear's going to have to when with the arm.
That's going to be what's going That's what this game
is gonna be. Who's gonna be able to beat the
opposing team with their arm?
Speaker 1: Better?
Speaker 4: Bear Bachmeyer, Devon Daan Pier, and I take Bear Bachmer
every day in that regard. One thing that gives me
pausitive Utah's offensive line is very very good, and Utah
I might be able to run that football effectively, whereas
b Way you might see a deficit in that regard
that could be a thing. But if if they're left
to their own their devices throwing the football. You take
Bear Bachmeyer, Chase Roberts, Parker Kingston, who's look fantastic the
last three weeks, fantastic posts bye week, and we're still
waiting for Cody Hagen to emerge.
Speaker 1: I still think that's coming.
Speaker 4: I think Carson Ryan is going to bounce back from
what was a kind of a subpar outing from him
last week. He'll be resurgent. And how about Freshneck. We're
gonna see Freshneck emerge?
Speaker 1: Yeah'd be interesting. He's there, he's.
Speaker 4: Working out, he got a lot of problem. I don't know. Yeah,
I think Chase Roberts is gonna have a big game.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a bounce back type of game.
I think he is. I think Chase Roberts going is
going to do things against the University of Utah Autovation.
That's my prediction. There you go.
Speaker 3: Would love to see it, ge man, I would love
I'm three see twenty three to twenty B way you
I like it? How about how about that? Let's let's
talk with with Aaron Roderick in number five SoundBite? Is
this game more important to you than any other game.
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 7: Just it's important every year because it's it's a huge game.
I've been involved in it. I think twenty one times.
I think this is my twenty second time as a
player coach, and I think I counted today nine or
ten of those came down to the last possession or
the last play, so about half the time.
Speaker 8: But it's it's a huge game. The whole states into it.
Speaker 7: I've been following it my whole life, have coached on
both sides of it, and I always did everything I
could to help my team win.
Speaker 8: And it's fun.
Speaker 1: What do you make with that comment?
Speaker 4: That's a really good answer. He volunteered a lot of
good stuff there. And it's probably going to come that
last possession comes Saturday. These teams are very very evenly matched,
very evenly. There's no start differences, like all much better
in that regard. I'm not seen in this statistics aren't seen.
And I think Bill Conley game came out and Utel's
zero point five points better is all that's. Yeah, it's tired,
it's going to be chippy. It's always chippy, but I
think it might be even ratcheted up. It's gonna be.
Speaker 3: A The hope, honestly to me, is like, how consistent
can the fan base be throughout the entirety of the
offensive possession of the utes. I've said this many times, guys,
Like communication between the the the offensive line and the quarterbacks.
It's happening as soon as they're walking onto the football field.
It's not just when they line up before they snap. Yeah,
there is a communication pre snap. There's no doubt.
Speaker 1: You have to be.
Speaker 3: Consistent as soon as they're on the field, like loud
and proud, disruptive throughout the higher game. And that's a
hard thing to do. Like, it can be tiring. It
could be tiring for a fan base. It really can be.
So you may want to conserve your energy when the
offense is on the field, for for the b AU
offense for and wait until the Utah offense.
Speaker 1: Is on the field.
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be a critical thing because we've
seen it be disruptive in the past. How disruptive can
the the twelfth man, the roar of the Cougars. We
all know that the fan base, the student body will
be great. Well, the rest of the fan base be
is loud, you better create a roucous environment at Lavelle
on Saturday night. Now, with so much crossover on each staff,
does the advantage lean one way or the other.
Speaker 7: It's it's a tricky thing where both both of us
know each other so well.
Speaker 8: It's it's sort of like, uh.
Speaker 7: Compare it to like a game seven of an NBA
find an NBA you know, a playoff series where you've just,
you know, you know each other so well that that
last game is just you know, we know that, they
know that, we know that they know you know.
Speaker 8: It's one of those kind of things.
Speaker 7: It's you can you can now smart yourself sometimes and
the players just have to go out and make plays
and execute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wonder like how Morgan and Kyle view their
defensive game plan versus a Rod.
Speaker 4: This is where I think Gary Anderson is so important
for this staff. Gary Anderson isn't just someone who coached
these guys. He he basically developed all these games. They
learned from him. They are acolytes of Gary Anderson. I'm
Kyle Whittingham as well, but sure, but Gary Anderson's a
acolyte a Kyle Whittingham, and he's kind of the chief
acolyte and and going on down. So it makes a
very very interesting dynamic in that regard. And I think
Gary Anderson is a huge, huge advantage for this team.
And I see I'm guessing he's done a lot of
advance work.
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing.
Speaker 4: I think Gary Anderson he sees this as a big,
big challenge.
Speaker 1: He wants to be that guy that disrupts and all that.
Speaker 4: And having him in that move on that staff, I
don't think it can be overstated just how important it is.
And it's I think particularly so in this game against
the University of Utah.
Speaker 3: So BYU scored twenty six and twenty two respectively in
the last two games. In order to get the win,
they held you taught to seventeen and twenty one points respectively,
right the other the prior to games, now these are
all these are Aaron Roderick games as well, because a
Rod was the passing game coordinator technically right Utah one
in twenty eighteen thirty five to twenty seven, and then
BYU lost at home thirty to twelve in twenty nineteen,
so their lowest output in in their worst limitation of
points as well. In twenty nineteen the twenty eighteen game
was the one that Ba was a big at half,
and due to injuries and just getting too probably comfortable,
they fell to the utes. That was a tough one.
That was a very tough one. But anyways, going back
to kind of like a Rod versus Morgan, are you
more intrigued by a Rod versus Morgan Scalley and Kyle Whittingham,
or you're more intrigued by you know, Jay Hull, Gary Anderson,
Kelly Papinka versus Jason Beck and his squad.
Speaker 4: I think it's the Jason Beck versus Jay Hill. I
really do, because that might be the big deficit you see.
I think Jason Beck's a quality offensive corner. I think
he's very good. I think he's proven to be very good.
But I wonder about this offense if it's set in
emotion where b way you had to encounter relate in
the game, where it has to make plays and do
stuff and execute, where there's not really any margin for error,
that's what Devin dan Pier in this offense is going
to be fraught with, more likely than not, and I
haven't seen that yet from this Utah offense, And that
could be an interesting thing. I think maybe the rub
with the Jason Beck offense bringing it from New Mexico
is that it's kind of a bully offense when if
things get going, yeah, they can pour it on and
all that. Can it counteract? Can it when something scheme
for it? Because we didn't see that at all against
Texas Tech, that they were done. I mean, I know
David dan Pier was quote unquote heard. I don't know
how hurt he was. They claim he was very hurt.
I don't know, but I just know that Texas Tech
did not allow them to do much of anything.
Speaker 1: And I think b Way you had that same capability.
So it's a.
Speaker 4: Big, big game for Jason Beck because I think a
Rod and Morgan Stalley is probably gonna be a wash.
They're both going to be very good and all that.
But I think we're b ware you can have that
significant advantage and maybe overcoming that regardless when you have
Gary Anderson, Kelly pop pinga SCIONI phu wah, all those guys,
Jay Hills certainly scheming against Jason Beck for that first time,
that could be the big advantage.
Speaker 1: B Way, you had a Rod.
Speaker 3: What do you recall about the last time This game
was played here at Lavelle Edwards Stadium in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 8: Well, I just I just remember Jared Hall. I was really.
Speaker 7: Remember Jaron Hall being a really good leader for our team.
And I remember more just relationships and players than I
do about the you know whatever, how I felt after
the game or like that.
Speaker 8: But yeah, that's that's I just remember Jaron Hall.
Speaker 1: Jared Hall. Baby, And who's bear backmer a lot like
like Jared Hall. Yeah, I would say like I would
say bear in.
Speaker 3: Jaron stayed within the architecture of the offense more than
any other quarterback under the Grimes A Rod era right
play calling era one hundred percent. And typically when you
stay within the architecture of a Rod's offense, you thrive,
You're a fit.
Speaker 1: Look at Baylor Romney.
Speaker 3: Baylor Romney was a really good quarterback under a Ron,
you know, and maybe he could have been great elsewhere,
but like he was, he was good. He was good
under a Ron. The only one you can say, hey,
not so good. King Slovas struggled a little bit. Jake
Redslow you know this, in spite of his poor decision making,
won a lot of football games for BYU or you know,
some people think in spite of of Jake Won, but anyway,
I would say if you stay within the architecture, you
you it bodes well for you.
Speaker 1: At Brigham under a Rod.
Speaker 3: A couple of last things here was it was that
last touchdown designed to be a fake rollout for Bear.
Speaker 8: It's the last touchdown the game.
Speaker 7: It's it's a it's a he can throw it or
run it in, and so we have a yeah, he
had he had two choices, so.
Speaker 3: It's a choice. There's a screen to the field that
he's rolling out to, so you have like a pick
play that can be thrown to h Parker on the
quick out, and we've seen that a lot in the
a Rod era. There's also uh maybe like a kind
of like a safety valve off to the the other side.
It's rarely, rarely utilized. It's going to the field. It's
either going to be that screen. Typically there's a slant
coming across and then he can he can tuck and
run if he sees it and he saw it, saw
the opening, didn't like what he saw on the outskirts.
I mean those you have a go back and watch
that particular play like that could hold it there was
a big hole on Parker, like grasping him, tackling him,
and the side.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, play on game on It's okay. So
these are Mark Harlan approved officials. Well, b what you got?
Speaker 3: They got a timely call right that limited a touchdown too, so.
Speaker 5: Or they were waiting to see if he scored. Didn't
throw the flag you know those lad flags. Yeah, it
happens sometimes. I asked a question. I just wanted to know, uh,
what happened on that plane. I feel it's always best,
you know. John Bechtolds just asked the coordinator and Aro.
Speaker 1: Told us, yep, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: With Bear not having grown up with this rivalry game,
how do you want him to treat this game.
Speaker 7: Not just another game? So you can't do that, but
you have to, you know, you have to play the
position with poise, and you have to prepare the same
way you do every week.
Speaker 8: And I think a big.
Speaker 7: Part of this game is controlling your emotions and just
you know, staying within the system. At quarterback, you gotta
stay within the system and be ready to execute against
a really good defense.
Speaker 4: Bear's mentality is perfect for this game, and the fact
that he's just a freshman. He nothing gets to this guy.
He's I'm not worried about that in any regard. Utah's
going to be coming. They're going to be hitting him
harder than he has all year. I believe that. But
I also believe the Bear can withstand that and maybe
even raise his level of play because of it. I
like what Bear has upstairs, and I like what that
is in relation to this Utah game where he doesn't
have any history. It's like, oh, it's just a game, yes, Utah.
You kind of want that, right. I think Retslov benefited
because of that. He kind of want that out of
state non LDS guide to be your quarterback in this game,
without any history, without any motion.
Speaker 1: Just just level headed to us. So yeah, I'm not
worried about that in any regard. I think Bear's gonna
be fine.
Speaker 3: What or why was it important for you to get
Matt Matt Mitchell back here just a season or so ago.
Speaker 7: I just think Matt's a really good coach, and we
had a good working relationship before, and he's he's done
a really good job with our quarterbacks. He does he
does a lot to help me out and help out
our staff. He's an excellent coach.
Speaker 3: Matt Mitchell undersung hero maybe in that coaching within that
coaching staff. A couple of last things here, what's it
like having your freshman quarterback having a learning experience and
a comeback win on the road.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean every when you're a freshman six games
in his career, every single game he's having experiences that
are happening for the first time. He's having learning experiences,
and you know, as those experiences a crew, you know,
you gain growth and then you know it's it's year two,
year three, where veteran quarterbacks go, Yeah, I've seen this before.
I've already been through that. So we're still growing with him,
you know. And he had a couple of mistakes the
other night. There were things that first time things, you know,
and so what we're trying to do is keep growing
from those things, and there'll be some more things this
game that he hasn't seen before as well.
Speaker 3: Learning through the trials and the airrors of youth, no
doubt about it. And luckily be we found a way
to win on the road versus Colorado and U of A.
What do you when you look at those two games
on the road, specifically, how did Bill you get those
wins on the road, Like, what do you attribute those
two wins on the road to?
Speaker 4: I think just the demeanor and just the resilience to
improve and show your best at the end of the game,
making the proper adjustments to what's being shown relative to
how you started that game. And I think that's a
Barry promising going against a team like Utah, and that's
kind of been the hallmark that Bear's shown, and that's
why he's been so successful. As yeah he can be
hitting them out, Yeah it doesn't he's not completing anything,
but he gets better, he learns, he adjusts, and a
Rod deserves at least as.
Speaker 1: Much credit for Bear in that regard. And that's the
hallmark of the team.
Speaker 4: And that's why I think a Rod's so giddy and
so happy after these games because he sees a quarterback
that's understanding what he's telling him, and he's probably only
telling him one time. He is Barry, you gotta do this,
you gotta do that. Bear's doing it. It's like no,
remember how I told you? Says like no, he just
moves on. He understands concepts, he understands the framework, and
it's a really good working dichotomy that I think is
being developed and it's absolutely made relevant in these games.
Speaker 1: How has the offense grown so far? A Rod?
Speaker 8: I think we're improving every week.
Speaker 7: I see I see areas improvement, I see players stepping up.
Speaker 8: I think we're a balanced team.
Speaker 7: I think you have to you gotta respect the run
in the past with us, and.
Speaker 8: We're just looking for a little bit of improvement each week.
Speaker 1: Thoughts on that GMT.
Speaker 4: Well, it wasn't a lot there, but uh, but they
are improving. It's an improved product. I think a lot
of times in the past you see a team max
out and defense is adjust and then and then the
team kind of goes down and you wonder why.
Speaker 1: But you're seeing b way. You get better every single game.
Speaker 4: Yet, know the passing game was not as good this
past game, but you check that up to Arizona. They
didn't stack the box and they have really good defensive backs.
There you go, that's it, But guess what they were
able to al. You had his best game of the year.
So pick your poison. That's what a Rod sees, that's
what he likes. So you can beat you in a
multitude of different ways. You love that as an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good breakdown.
Speaker 3: Have you ever coached a young guy who's able to
bounce back from mistakes as quickly as Bear has?
Speaker 7: No, he's pretty mature kid. Yeah, first for a young guy.
I'm impressed with how I'm not bothered he is by
any situation and how easily he bounces back from a mistake.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it doesn't bother him.
Speaker 4: I gave the comparison that Peter Gibbons from Opfice Space
was like Will Farron. I still hold to that, but
maybe applying it to Bear would be a better application, right,
becauseparts just yeah, yeah, whatever, cracking jokes is nothing bothers him,
just keeps on going. His mentality is phenomenal. It is
absolutely phenomenal. And I want to point this out. I
wonder what it would be if Tiger wasn't there. I
think having Tiger the older brother, I wanted to ask
this last interview, but it really wasn't the scenario for that.
But I want to ask just how the conversations and
just how Tiger's been guiding this kid and just having there,
that's gotta be a thing that's got to be helping
a lot Tiger's interviewing him. He's just a phenomenal human being, right,
and I have to believe having him in this BWAU
program has helped quite a bit.
Speaker 5: Speaking of Tiger, Jimil, we don't gamble on this airways,
but I would like a Twitter shout out because I
think Tiger is gonna get into the end zone in
this first touchdown of the season.
Speaker 1: We make that declaration.
Speaker 5: Wow, there seems to be brothers that like to score
touchdowns in this rivalry. So something tells me I festin
a Rod might have something drawn up. I think that's
a little hanging through Ben, but I think it's on
the table.
Speaker 3: Let's go back Meyer to Bachmeyer connection. Would love to
see it under the lights of Levell.
Speaker 4: But but what did a say? He didn't even has say.
He says, no, I've never had a quarbet that learns
from this.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I.
Speaker 5: Asked a question because Jaron Hall. But Jaron Hall was older,
served dimission mature. Even Zach was a little bit older,
like he's eighteen doing this. That's why I was like, Hey,
I got asked this, Hey you tell me and not
on like you said.
Speaker 3: Well, hopefully he doesn't have any turnovers into Utah game.
When BAU has won this game last few times, they
have not coughed up the football, So you don't want that, obviously,
But how do you prevent turnovers from showing up in
this game?
Speaker 1: Aron super important?
Speaker 7: You're right because a week ago I was standing here saying,
you know, we're not going to freak out about that yet,
but two games in a row, that's that's the problem,
and so we have to nip that in the bud. Now,
turnover margin will probably be the one of the maybe
the probably be the deciding factor in this game. You
know it'll be, if not the deciding factor, it will.
Speaker 1: Be up there.
Speaker 8: It's it's super super important. In every game.
Speaker 7: We have to take care of the football. And I'm
sure they're trying to do the same thing. And both
defenses are trying to get takeaways and that's the name
of the game.
Speaker 5: I'll make this quick because we got to go to
break Ben. But his body language when he was saying
that he had his notebook in his hand, he was
like this, He's like it is super important, Like he
does not like that it happened two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3: Poor dravesa he's got a little bit more grace for
like quarterbacks. He just does. He's got more grace for him. Yeah,
he does.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 4: Those two interceptions threw against Arizona really bothered they did.
They bothered you because they just weren't the first they
were really forced errors. Right, He's just he's just locking
down on Parker, just not looking anywhere else. Ball he
threw on the Yeah. Yeah, then the other one. You
just never do that ever. But you know what I
know about Bear Bommeyer, He's never gonna do it again ever.
We're not gonna see it ever again. I'm gonna say that,
you will never see Barry Brockmeyer for the rest of
his career throw against his body running back on the run.
That's never going to happen again. You saw that one time.
It was onerous, it was it was very uncalled for.
But Bear Bachmeyer, what I know about that kid, You
will never see that type of throw ever again from him.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I'm saying staying that right here.
Speaker 4: Bear don't let me down, buddy. I'm not even scared
of that. You will never see Bear that ever again. First,
one got to give the safety, that's their NFL safety. First,
and he made a good play. If he doesn't turn around,
the ball hits him in the back and well, yeah,
he did a great job recovering and all that.
Speaker 1: But no, you don't. I don't know the second one. Yeah,
first one. Now, both of them were bad.
Speaker 3: Last couple sound bites here a Rod, What do you
like about what Preston Rex showed you last week?
Speaker 7: He was not you know, the moment wasn't too big
for him. He went out and did what we expected
him to do. He did did what he's been doing
in practice, and you know, we're gonna keep bringing him
along and getting him more and more involved, especially with
being out.
Speaker 4: Can can he be that Poke hwenga type to that offense?
Everyone wondered why I was freaking out about Poke? How
I'm gun It's dynamic. It's a different look that you
bring to that backfield where you can be a receiver
hybrid type that can scat, can go around and all
that Poke was perfect for that.
Speaker 1: And maybe Preston Rex can be that guy.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I want to promote Logan Pain. I
I'm driving that pain. Logan Pain is going to be
Matt Hadley.
Speaker 1: That's man.
Speaker 4: I've given hot takes right here, right now. Logan Pain,
I am in on that dude. Get that guy in
that backfield. I think he can do things. Everyone's looking
for that running back. It hasn't been Joe Vessa. It
hasn't been eating the only moment. May never play football game.
Let's just be honest there, Preston Rex kind of one dynamic.
He's not taking it between the tackles. Guess who can
Logan Pain. I'm I'm driving that band where you guys
can hop on if you want to. Logan Pain needs
to be the guy. Give him some May him be
that guy. I believe in this kid.
Speaker 3: So Logan Pain in high school led to six A
and Utah and Russia after ninety one carries on for
ninety yards and sixteen touchdowns at we were high school.
He comes from a legacy family where toughness and grit
and competitive nature thrives his uh. His father, Matt Payne,
one of the greatest punters to come through Brigham and
he was seeing reps in fall camp or an injury
he sustained to Lord ttremity injury. We have a lot
of different injuries that have occurred during fall camp or
even prior to fall camp, and I would like to
see Logan get an opportunity, no doubt.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing the one deficit he has is the common one.
He can't trust him quite yet in pass pro. That
might be what's keeping him off the field.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's pretty tough though, but I want to see that
Logan pain bring the paint, baby. I think he can
do it. Confidence in that kid. He's going to be
Matt Hadley two point zero. I'm telling you, I would
love to see it.
Speaker 3: Final thing, how would you evaluate the offensive line play
thus far?
Speaker 1: A rod A good job.
Speaker 8: I thought they played well last game.
Speaker 7: We ran the ball well against a really tough defense
that I think the most rushing yards they've given up
was like one hundred and eleven, and then we had
no sacks. So they did a good job in that game.
A whole new challenge this week, and these.
Speaker 8: Guys are good.
Speaker 7: This is a really tough defense and everybody has a
lot to prove in this game.
Speaker 1: Got a lot to prove. Still.
Speaker 3: That's are kind of a reading between the line segment.
Little question poll today as well. Chime in on some
of my questions and polls. By the way, Cougar Nation
want to hear from you. Hit me up a couple
of things. I've posed Which OCDC battle you're most intrigued
by and why Jay Hill versus Jason Beck, Aaron Roderick
versus Morgan.
Speaker 1: Scaley chime in on that one.
Speaker 3: And also who's been the MVP of the offense who's
been the MVP of the defense through six.
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