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Speaker 1: What's going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season for episode

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thirteen of Clips and Dim. I am Chuck Buckler. The

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full crew is here. We got Adam Oslin, William Updyke.

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leave them. The Clippers are not playing well. Making breakdowns

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is hard for when the team is like this, Adam

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and Will how are you doing? How's it going?

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Speaker 2: We're here, We're still showing up.

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Speaker 1: We are still showing up. They just keep losing.

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Speaker 2: And I keep but they keep showing up.

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Speaker 3: They competing.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I had a friend who, yeah, they're there. He had

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perfect attendance, but he kept getting d's and c's and

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they would say, you are in attendance, but you are

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not present. And that's how it feels. It's performances have been.

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It did not turn his scholastic career around. They're five

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and sixteen.

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Speaker 2: He didn't understand what that meant. What the hell are

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you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Most recent loss to the Heat, they gave up a

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thirty to two run at one point, which that wasn't

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very fun last week. Last week when we were kind

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of talking about trades and stuff, Will I've had a

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couple of hypotheticals that we talked about last week that

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have now basically become true. You were like, oh, when

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we were four and ten, you were like, oh, double

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this up. What if we're eight and twenty, what would

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you do? Would you make trades? Then we're pretty damn

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close to eight and twenty. Uh what Yeah? And the

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other the other one that had me freaked out was

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when I was like, I think we'd know if James

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Harden was very frustrated based on how he would act

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in a postgame interview. And then we got the postgame

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interview after the MAVs game where he was like, it's

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just difficult. Everything is difficult when it comes to trying

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to work on stuff.

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Speaker 3: We might be at five and twenty, dude, Like, it's

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not unfeasible.

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Speaker 2: I brought this up like three weeks ago, like twenty

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losses before ten wins?

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Speaker 1: Is that the Phil Jackson rule?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's where you want to be.

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Speaker 2: That's like, uh, the Eric Human rule or something.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty losses is what you want if you're aiming

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to be a championship team.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we have some room to go.

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Speaker 2: That's the magic Johnson as a head coach rule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I guess? Haggle, no, haggle? Could things

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get any worse the scheme of reality? Like for how

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this is going? Yes, obviously there's two catastrophic things that

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could happen.

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Speaker 3: Is it better or worse than? Kauhi is backed.

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Speaker 2: Average in thirty five the last three games? Crazy efficiency. Honestly,

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you look at the individual numbers of him and Jayon

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this year and you're like, how do they have just

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five wins?

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Speaker 1: What happens? What cant are they going to continue to?

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Just try and be better?

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Speaker 2: I think it still starts on defense. And I'm not

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even talking about transition defense because that's probably a lost cause.

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Speaker 1: Just the chapter defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just just get back to being you know, a

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top fifteen defense. Is that is that too much to

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ask right now? Apparently that they'd have to jump up

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like ten or twelve spot to get there.

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Speaker 1: That might be to it's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy that they can't even be average defensively after what

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we saw last year.

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Speaker 1: They're twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're also I mean they are like somebody released

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a graphic today, have like points given up by turnover,

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and they are headed shoulders above the worst team. Like

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they're in a different column.

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Speaker 1: Then the Jazz. There's a substantial gap between the Clippers

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and the Jazz on that graph. I call it the

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Gulf of Inglewood said that joke at work. No one laughed,

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no one cared.

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Speaker 2: Say you take out the forty one points off turnovers

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they gave to the Orlando Magic that one game, Say

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you take that out.

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Speaker 3: They're still the worst, but they're still probably yeah, is closing,

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Speaker 1: What's so frustrating is like even when last night the

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Clippers like were killing them in fast break points or

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points off of two numbers. They were up plus ten

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early in the game, it points off for turnombers. So

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even when a thing that's going right is happening, there's

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just a wall of like, no, we are not going

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to allow ourselves to capitalize on this good thing that

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is happening. We are going to piss it away somehow

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by not focusing.

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, they can't put close to forty eight minutes

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of good basketball together. They can have a good stretch,

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they can have a good five minutes, but how many

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good quarters have they had all the way through, honestly

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or just good half? I mean they have had some

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good halbs, I guess because they've had leads in enough

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first halves. They've blown the most ten point plus leads

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so far. But yeah, ten points. I mean they were

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up ten early on Dallas. Did that mean that much? No,

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the first quarter on everybody. So they're getting off to

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good stars. Everybody's complained about first quarters. Now now you

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get the other side of it.

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Speaker 1: What you wanted. Yeah, but you're right, they're like will

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watching this team. It's never like we are in control.

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There's no help, no, no, nothing at all.

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Speaker 3: It's I think even asking for four quarters of competent

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basketball current league average is like is a tall order? Like,

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forget about good? Can we get four quarters of competent basketball?

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Speaker 2: There's nothing you can rely upon with this group right

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now at all. There's nothing you can hang your hat on.

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I mean you can rely on some of the negative things,

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but I mean the positive stuff, there's nothing to find there.

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Speaker 1: Why is the best free throw shooter in the league?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was happy to see coach Lou pulled the

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bench the starters lever a minute and a half into

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that third quarter. That did something.

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Speaker 1: For me was Harden's ninety six seconds of the second half.

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Some kind of a message there too. He played a

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minute twenty five in the second half of that basketball

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game Couiet.

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Speaker 2: Everybody else came back except for him with the starters.

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I went back and watched them tape to see where

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he was on the bench. I wanted to see the

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rest of what Kawhi did because he had nineteen in

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the fourth quarter, and I was like, you know what,

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I got to rewatch this, and he did have some

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incredible plays, and they were playing way harder, which I

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think was the message. If you're not going to play hard,

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you were going to be benched. Message h James. Harden

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was on the bench all the way on the left side.

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Everybody was clapping and looked somewhat in gauged for those

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that care about that body language stuff when they made shots.

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So I don't know if there's something to read into

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there or not.

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Speaker 1: He was playing particularly poorly that game, so maybe tell

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me the last this isn't getting better.

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Speaker 2: The last two games from James have been really bad,

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and now two things can be true. Last two games

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were awful from him. He's also been their best player

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this season, right.

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Speaker 1: Like it is it is hard for me, like when

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you play so badly, it does show you know what,

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because it's like there's the body language thing. Right. But

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like I think he's he has like a couple more games,

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I guess for me because of what he's done this year.

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Not that we're winning games, but he's made them a

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lot easier to watch and deal with.

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Speaker 2: I guess it could have been as simple as he

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didn't come back into the game because he's played by

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far the most minutes for them this season.

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Speaker 3: I hope it's that, Like I hope it's some sort

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of conscious thing to keep something in the tank. If

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they're able to get even semi competent, I mean, I

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don't know, I don't know what. Yeah, if they're at

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five and twenty, like you gotta be thinking, like let's

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just shed some salary because they're only what over the

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tax five like five mil or something. I think they

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just like slash Brook Lopez is already getting DMP and

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they can reset their repeater tax.

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Speaker 1: You're wearing a jacket today, so you got the front

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office vibes. I'm appreciative of that. So people do want change, right,

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which I'm not knocking people that.

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Speaker 3: Are frustrated changes. I'm just not I'm not confident at

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this point that it can promote that much winning.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. So I was trying to think of

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like taking out the people who are like hire Mike

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will Own because I'm like, yeah, just who wants to

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come coach this Clippers team? Guy, I don't think he

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wants to do that. It's like, there's like two options

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for people who want change in terms of realistic changes.

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I think if things like we get another couple of

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thirty to two runs and stuff like that, where it's

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like either Lawrence Frank is ensured that he's still the

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GM and then they just fire Tyloo and have an

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internal hire right out the rest of the season, or

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they're both canned and then they have an interim GM

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and an interim head coach to ride things out. Works

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for Denver, but that to me feels like if you

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want change, those are the two things I think you

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should maybe not expect. But if there were to be

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a change, that's what I think they would be looking at.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, yeah, those are probably the options.

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I don't know how much it's.

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Speaker 1: I don't love either of them.

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Speaker 2: Like Lote came out with me pregame was like the

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same guys on the coaching staff that aren't able to

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get more out of the team right now you want

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them to be the head coach. I just find a

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lot of this shocking. And to see this record at

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five is sixteen, you know, change could be coming. That's

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how sports work. It's much easier to let go of

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one person and have massive roster turnover. But I would

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look at shipping players out before firing the GM or

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the head coach like that.

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Speaker 3: I think, I think, and this is the this is

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the issue, like so many teams find themselves in. It

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is like it's a lot harder to completely overhaul a

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roster than it is to you know, fire your front

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office and coaching staff. And I mean, you know.

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Speaker 1: A roster with no picks either, Like it's not like

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a roster.

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Speaker 3: With no picks either, Like with you know, we have

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zero leverage in any of these things, Like you know,

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we not zero, but we have like pretty limited levels.

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Speaker 1: It's close, it's kind of close to zero. They're playing

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poorly like but and that's what I want.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, do you do you change your approach?

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I mean, if the supporting cast is looking this bad,

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you know it's it's looking this bad. We you know,

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we've we've exalted the praises of James Harden last game

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excluded and Kawhi uh when available. But like if everything

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else is is so man and so broken, like do

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you have to think that maybe even if you're eyeing

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you know, twenty twenty seven, it's further away than you think,

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and like maybe you do make deals that even if

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it yields at the same or worse of a result

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this season, that you kind of have to pivot what

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your strategy is long term for a team, because we're

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looking at one of the worst starts in franchise history,

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which is incredible to say for the Clippers organization, Like

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this is just an organization that, you know, prior to

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the arrival of Farmer was like just marred in beyond

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mediocrety terribleness. Uh, and we're talking about one of the

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worst starts in franchise history.

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Speaker 1: I think to that point, like when people were talking

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about the Damar trade, it was like, dude, if you're

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gonna trade for DeMar Derosan, trade everybody and just start

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start over in the Clippers sense, because we're not a

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DeMar DeRozan away from anything. And like he's off the

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team next year, you know what I mean, Like he's

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ten percent salary, all that stuff. Like it's like, if

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you're gonna in my head, if you're gonna make one

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trade that involves, like, let's trade John Collins, who I

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still think has a chance to maybe get some kind

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of an extension from the Clippers. There's only three guys

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on the roster for twenty seven to twenty eight, Like

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just you know what I mean, Like, if you're gonna

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make the small move, what's the point of the small move?

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Speaker 2: I got a question. Is Kawhi Leonard tradeable because of

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the aspiration stuff and his contract?

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Speaker 1: Man, I've been like trying to pretend in my head,

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I'm like, of course the aspiration stuff doesn't matter. But

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then I'm like it has to matter a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And if you can't trade Kawhi, do you trade other

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guys to make the team worse while Kauhi is still here.

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Speaker 1: Which and then maybe he demands a trade and then

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you can't get anything for him because they're like, well

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he wants a trade.

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Speaker 2: Like that could get really messy.

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Speaker 1: That gets gross because that's like you trade Zoo.

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Speaker 2: Like Kauhi on a clearly tanking team just by himself.

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That doesn't seem sound like something he'd want at thirty four.

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But if you can can't move same, yeah, shut him

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down for the season.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, right, because he still got another year.

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Speaker 2: I do think I don't want to make rash decisions

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that would preclude them from going after much better free

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agents in the future. I know T twenty seven might

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seem far off, but this has always been the plan.

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And if you're gonna have a knee jerk reaction to

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put to bring in somebody that's good or decent but

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not great, just as satisfy the fans that something different

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is going on, but ultimately it's gonna hold you back

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from being a very good team that can contend again.

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I don't want to see that.

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Speaker 1: Right, Like I was looking at I was texting with

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Justin Rousseau in French, uh, and I was like, what

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they do the DeMar thing? And he pointed out that

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like next year his contract is ten percent so it's

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like they would, but if they did, he's effectively he

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probably wouldn't be on the team next year. So like

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to your point out, it's like, great, we get a

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year of DeMar DeRozan and we was out on maybe

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signing a guy who could be an okay young piece. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I'm not suggesting that, I'm not suggesting any

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sort of stop gap for this. I'm saying like, do

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you start to like seriously evaluate like how you can

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a mass more draft capital or do you know even

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just going for younger guys with with upside? You know,

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if it's not the like the home run trade that

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you want, but there's like a young like some younger

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players with upside even that haven't realized potentially yet, Like

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do you start to think out that plan a little

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bit differently than than like currently constructed. I mean, and

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it still is difficult because of the pieces that you're

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dealing with, Like you're talking about agent superstars who can

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still contribute very well, I mean, could fit into a

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lot of teams, I mean, depending and have clout.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, like these are guys that are like

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James Harden is helping recruit Bradley Bale. You know what

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I mean, like these guys have cashet.

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Speaker 2: If they said we're trading the superstars. Let's say you

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can get something decent for Kawhi and James Harden, a

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late first round pick, whatever, and players that don't have

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five year poison pill type contracts that are going to

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nuke your chances of bringing in Yannish or whoever. If

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you can do all that, and even if you bring

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in tomorrow okay, his contract up is up in twenty

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twenty seven. If you bring in guys like that, or

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even if you say we're just going full youth movement, okay,

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see pick be damned, we do not care.

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Speaker 1: People would that would be so fun.

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Speaker 2: But it's like they're trying to win now. And okay, see,

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you could end up getting a great pick. At least

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you might end up with some first round picks while

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you're losing instead of what's happening currently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also think that, like, I think everyone

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has to be on the table if you go that

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route too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you keep I mean, Cleo, oh, I hate,

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but nobody will get you more than Zoo.

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Speaker 1: No, no one's get any more. Like Derek Jones Junior

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stays because he's hurt. I don't think you're trading a

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hurt guy who's also on a good contract.

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Speaker 2: I you could trade him.

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Speaker 1: I think you could. Yeah, his contract's so cheap though. Ten.

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Speaker 2: But like if somebody is offering you let a pick

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and a player on near that contract, Yeah, it has

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to all be about the future at that point, even

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somebody that's twenty eight, twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: You're right, sorry, get out of here.

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Speaker 2: We suck whole sale changes. They could go that route

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while still keeping all the cap room for twenty six,

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where they could have a max slot in twenty six

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and two and twenty seven do and.

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Speaker 3: I will say cap room is difficult if you don't

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have much to sell people on. But it is still la.

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Speaker 2: La Balmer new arena. I mean, look at Devin Booker

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and how he reacted to the arena last year. Wanted

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to shake Balmer's hand and stuff, like, guys do care

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about this stuff. And also you don't have to.

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Speaker 1: Talk to the press. You can kind of do whatever

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you want.

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Speaker 2: It's not just about getting unrestricted free agents, which is

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less likely in today's NBA. It's about, Okay, they get

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some first round picks back and they have some expiring

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contracts and you package stuff like that together to bring

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in somebody that absorbs some of the cap room instead

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of just getting somebody as an unrestricted free agent. Yeah, maam, hey,

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I would love for the them to turn this thing around,

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but we got to be realistic with where this kid go.

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Speaker 1: What does what does turning it around? Look like?

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Speaker 2: They are a twenty and five run.

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Speaker 3: They're like five games out of a plant spot.

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Speaker 1: That's not that many.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not.

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Speaker 2: Currently I've out of tenth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he got eighteen in March. You go seventeen

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and one, you're making up some ground there.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think about that, right, Have we thought about

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that's the momentum going out of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: How this team could go seventeen and one of mark Yeah,

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I think And again I'm not quite at the like,

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I don't know what firing someone does as of right now.

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If we see like four more games in a row

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or something like, if we go we have a three

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games and four nine, which thank you NBA scheduled geniuses

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for that. If they go zero to three and they

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have three more instances of like a thirty to two

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run or something, then I'm like Okay, Like then we're

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where in maybe someone should be like go territory. I'm

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much closer to that. I just like you have to

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do something like it is such a unique scenario that

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like they don't have picks, and I know that it's

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an it sucks that it's our unique scenario, but it's

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such a weird like because again, this job.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I'm saying though, that that goes

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back to like the head coaching in front office thing.

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And if you're eyeing a you know, a significant rebuild,

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do you even want to partake that with the same

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president of basketball operations as you've had through this era.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The problem is you've had. These are the guys that

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set you up for this plan. If you bring in

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somebody else, First of all, how attractive of a job

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is it considering they don't have their picks? And are

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they just going to have to Are they going to

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have to submit to the same plan because that is

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the most rational way to do this. Yeah, So what

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are we changing? Like, what is someone else's vision going

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to be that's going to be drastically different considering the

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Clippers don't own their draft pick till twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: It's a collision faster, less turnovers, Bomber goes Wait a second, Uh,

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It's a collision of a team that has to be

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patient because of the big trade that they made for

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Shay in an NBA sphere that is the opposite of

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that like we have Like obviously this was a plan.

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People didn't think they were going to be five and sixteen.

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We thought we would maybe win fifty games or whatever,

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but there was you didn't think the floor was five

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and sixteen, right, Like, so it being this bad, it's

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like I wonder if they're just like, well, this is

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an anomaly. John Collins shooting his lowest percentage from three

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and two he's ever had in his career. Like, there's

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a bunch of goofy shit going on. But we're in

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this sports sphere where it's like the NBA is gonna

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look so different at this trade deadline. I think I'm

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not breaking stories like Shan's. I'm not doing this for press,

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but like things just expectations and the whole apron thing

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makes shit move so differently. But the Clippers have to

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like ride this out. So again they were the first

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to kind of do with the first Apron stuff. When

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they move Paul George. They're the first team that and

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probably only team because I don't think another team will

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make a trade like they did to try and figure

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out the future with this new CBA with zero draft

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picks and being ass like and being apparently one of

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the worst teams in the league.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just crazy because we're not that far removed

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from like how they were able to pivot from the

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two and three era. I mean, it was like a

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rousing success and then you know with the youth and

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the era, yeah, and well like and with the like

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just how overnight the change in like the youth movement

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and speed and possession battle has become in the NBA,

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and how aggressive defenses are. It's just like, you know,

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they're ancient on the court, They're they're playing a different ballgame.

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Speaker 1: They're dribbling like this fingertips.

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Speaker 2: I still see the second half of that game last

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night when Kawhi comes back in down thirty eight, and

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I'm like, so, why did you guys play this hard earlier?

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Is it or is it effort? Where was this? Where

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was this pop that I'm seeing a Vista Zubats going

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up for a huge dunk. I'm playing like they give

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a damn. I still wonder how much of it is

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just they needed like they needed some tough love from

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coach Lou and he finally said no a minute and

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a half into the third quarter, you're out. I don't know,

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we'll find out tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I will say if we're if we go

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zero to three. But you're seeing coach lud do aggressive

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things like you know, like what you know, what do

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you do with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my concrete shoes are five pounds less. My thing

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before we talk about this text, uh my thing with

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damn it, I totally lost my train of thought. All right, neverybody,

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It'll come back to me at an inopportunity time.

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Speaker 2: But do you, just to Will's point, do you feel

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like stability in body of work has to play a

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major factor here, even in what looks like a lost season,

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that this is just an anomaly, this is an outlier.

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Like I'm looking at you know, the Miami he go

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win thirty seven games last year, They've had a thirty

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nine win season with Eric Spolstra, and there's no talk

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of like Eric Spolstro's out of here. People are gonna

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so you can't compare those two. Yeah you can, because

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I've heard the same stuff about Coach Lou. Oh he

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was carried by Lebron and that's the only reason he

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won a title.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know he's gotten back there through the play in

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because the East was so bad. And I do think

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he's the best coach in the league. But there are

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some similarities there. And they know he's their guy, he's

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their lifer. They gave him the extension like a year before,

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six months before Coach Lou got his just this last year,

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before the start of last season. Do you just say

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this is our guy, it's an offseason. Bad seasons happen.

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We're going to see it through. We're going to stick

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with this group.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Tye wants to do that for a

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super long time.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good point because I think Ty's

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been frustrated for a while because everybody talks about coach

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Lou and oh, Marcus Morris and all these things like

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who's had to deal with a worse hand over the

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last six years than coach Lou with star availability, it's

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not close.

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Speaker 1: Right, and and he oh, you get knocked.

476
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Speaker 2: Out in the first round. Yeah, maybe go back and

477
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:13,400
look who was available in most of those series. We

478
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,880
had one healthy series this past year, and yes he

479
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,640
deserves some criticism for that, but how many times has

480
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he had all his guys?

481
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Speaker 1: So that's what I wonder too, If like Tyler's like, yeah,

482
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,440
sign me up for a weird, soft dish rebuild, not

483
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,160
softish rebuild, weird, jagged, painful rebuild.

484
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Speaker 2: I thought it was going a lot us more set

485
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there first.

486
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Speaker 1: I wish, But I'm also like Van Gundy doesn't want

487
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,880
to do that shit either. People like hire Van Gundy

488
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to be the head coach.

489
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Speaker 3: He can't be a head coach.

490
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,599
Speaker 1: Dude, he does not want to be a head coach. Like,

491
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,799
do you think the offense would you think the Austin

492
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,720
would blo offense would blossom if we have Van Gundy

493
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:51,880
as our head coach. Like.

494
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Speaker 3: The thing that sucks though, is like outside of the

495
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,119
clear top team, the West is fairly.

496
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:05,799
Speaker 2: Open outside of a team is gonna win seventy three games?

497
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's three games between two and seven.

498
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

499
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Speaker 3: You got a lot of teams like in this in

500
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this middle ground. So I don't know how that affects

501
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,759
like any sort of potential dealings either, if other teams

502
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,079
are like wear this far away or like you know,

503
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,480
we see things could could swing in our favor.

504
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you make up those five games to

505
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,720
get into the player.

506
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Speaker 3: But that's the other thing about trades too, is like

507
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,960
it really truly does depend on the market. Like, yeah,

508
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,559
you're not getting you're not getting four first for Rudy

509
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,599
Gobert in this current market, but you did at the time.

510
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: If your best hope is getting out of the nine

511
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to ten playing, which means you end up playing the

512
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,519
one seed Oklahoma City Thunder, and that is your end

513
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,519
game to this season, that's pretty bleak.

514
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: What do you think the cumulative? What do you think

515
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,799
the I think that US minus differential in a seven

516
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,160
game series against the Thunder would be right.

517
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,599
Speaker 2: Now, I ain't gonna be called a seven game series.

518
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:15,279
Speaker 1: Oh man. I would so much rather and I I

519
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:16,880
don't usually go this route.

520
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: I can't.

521
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Speaker 1: I cannot stress enough how much I would rather not

522
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make the playoffs than get beat by a cumulative that

523
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,000
would be a one hundred and sixty five points over

524
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:32,759
four games against the Thunder.

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Speaker 3: That would be embarrassing. That would be so demoralizing.

526
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: Dude, talk about the Clippers getting made fun of. That

527
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,240
would be I mean.

528
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Well, that's why even last year I was like, if

529
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you lose to the Thunder, which would have happened in

530
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,680
the second round, I don't know, bro.

531
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Speaker 1: That had the texts from people during that.

532
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: That's the type of storyline that could get people fired

533
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,039
that you know, it all comes to a head and

534
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:05,799
the guy that you traded ends up beating you, or

535
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:07,240
in this case, if they played him in the first

536
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,960
round this season, I mean they would they would get dominated.

537
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,799
With the way the Clippers are playing, it would it

538
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:13,039
would be a three game series.

539
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Speaker 1: Nbas.

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Speaker 3: But if you give Thunder a lottery pick, our jobs

541
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still safe.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that has to have been built into the

543
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rationale of the trade.

544
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

545
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: You do have to like.

546
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Speaker 2: We're gonna be so good, they're gonna be lower picks.

547
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: But there might there's no way. There's a contingency where

548
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,440
they're like, we might suck ass, Like there is a chance.

549
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:38,799
I hope. Someone in the room was like, what if

550
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,240
we suck ass one year and it's the number one pick?

551
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,559
Speaker 2: You know what that you know what? The response was,

552
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,680
we already won a championship. We're okay with that. Yeah,

553
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,440
that's where it was.

554
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:48,039
Speaker 3: All.

555
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,039
Speaker 2: This is fine. If you had won that championship, you're

556
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,400
comforted by that, and you would you would have gotten

557
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:53,880
it before.

558
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Speaker 1: Okay, see one still can get one in this era.

559
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,559
Tough times. But on the plus side, they get to

560
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,960
play three games and four days, which we're gonna talk

561
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about after this audio break. If you're listening to us,

562
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,000
I think it's still loud. We've gotten zero complaints about

563
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,799
the audio levels recently, so we appreciate that.

564
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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you want to watch us, find us at YouTube

566
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,000
dot college Stack Clippers podcast coming up. We're talking the

567
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:24,680
upcoming week in Clippers basketball and three two one.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip, the most

569
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,240
positive Clippers podcast on the internet. Well, I'll just go

570
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with that.

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Speaker 2: Long thing.

572
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Speaker 1: We talked about.

573
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Speaker 3: We talked about where we've been. It's time to look

574
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ahead to where we're going.

575
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Speaker 1: Are we going to five and nineteen?

576
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Speaker 3: We got it three and four. This team is a

577
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:55,519
short amount of time to figure some stuff out. I

578
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,079
don't know, we're I guess we'll just start with the

579
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,079
Hawks on Wednesday, which will.

580
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Speaker 1: Be the day after we're releasing this. Where are you

581
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,680
guys at Well, they don't have Trey Young, so they're

582
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,680
probably gonna win. And the guy who made eight threes

583
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,720
against this last time is also able to play. So

584
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:12,759
I feel pretty shitty.

585
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Hawks have been playing well, six and four of their

586
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:21,160
last ten. Jalen Johnson looks like everything that people imagine

587
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,880
he could be if he stayed healthy, one of the Clippers,

588
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,759
an All Star in their last ten, they're on to twelve.

589
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:29,839
I don't know how that works.

590
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: What the hell we still And this goes back to

591
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,680
my thing that I said again last week of like,

592
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,400
it's so hard to try and look at this team

593
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,440
on a game by game basis because they are so

594
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,279
bad and even when they do the things that they

595
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,799
are bad at well, they just still find ways to

596
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:51,440
lose the game.

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Speaker 2: They forgot how to win. Honestly, they are expecting to lose.

598
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:01,440
The other teams expecting to win. They can come back.

599
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,440
They can hit everything from three against the Clippers. They

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00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,200
know when you play the Clippers, these are the things

601
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,920
that happened for you.

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Speaker 1: Do we think so they play Hawks Wednesday, back to

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back Friday Saturday?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Do we think they could remember how to win and

606
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:19,960
go three and now?

607
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:23,559
Speaker 3: Not on a back to back.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, but you're right, what are you talking about? Kawhy

609
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,319
just played a back to back? Oh they lost both those.

610
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Speaker 3: Back wasn't even pointed at Kawhy, it was just in general.

611
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:47,799
Speaker 2: I don't Oh, yeah, the Atlanta Friday, Memphis Saturday Minnesota,

612
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,000
and then you're.

613
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: Back home for a minute, right to like the fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: You know, Oh, they have a rescheduled game in here,

615
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,920
right because Saturday December six against Minnesota and then the

616
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:06,359
next game is December eleventh at Houston, So they have yeah,

617
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,800
one of the in season tournament games scheduling there. Yeah,

618
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,920
the fallout in the season tournament.

619
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we could could have won. Why do we

620
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239
have a back to back in the day though? Yeah,

621
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,880
And then they played the Grizzlies on the fifteenth at home.

622
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Speaker 2: We'll be interesting to see when they finally win that

623
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,920
game what that does for this Clippers team after losing

624
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:34,599
so many, When they finally win that, could that start something?

625
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: It's something for the last time something was birth by

626
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:39,840
this team, dude.

627
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,159
Speaker 1: Honestly, that is a good question, man.

628
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,599
Speaker 2: The last thing was that was birth was Rosemary's baby.

629
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:53,519
Speaker 1: I thought there was a third quarter against some team

630
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,880
that beat us, but I thought they played well and

631
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,480
I was like, this is maybe the best stretch of

632
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,760
basketball I watched all year. And then I think we

633
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,239
went on to lose. We probably did.

634
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: But the Boston Philadelphia games on the road, those two

635
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,760
back to back games where James Harden had chances to

636
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,880
win it with three pointers and one was a foul

637
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,039
in Philly, Yeah.

638
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, those felt great. Yeah, all of these.

639
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: Like those were the losses. Those were the days. Those yeah, losses, we.

640
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: Can what is the DIEGNA impleanet like a quality loss column.

641
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: You know, like a football ranking committee or yeah.

642
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: What would we be if the BCS was still around?

643
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: The computers would not like us right now, No.

644
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: They would not. What do you think two and one? No,

645
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:51,639
you're thinking three.

646
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: I hope too. And one. I'll say one and two.

647
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,519
Speaker 3: I think yeah, I think it's one and two.

648
00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: I think it's lost win loss. Do we bring the

649
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,000
dips back? I asked Twitter, and they think we should.

650
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,199
Speaker 2: That would be that would be the full admission the

651
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:11,960
season is over.

652
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,679
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, let's maybe wait, what's the recording? Is the

653
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,119
record five and twenty that we bring the dips back?

654
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: If they get to five and twenty?

655
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: Sure, I'll tell you what if they get to four,

656
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,320
and if they get to four twenty, that would be.

657
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: Away.

658
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: They fucking might dude. One of them was a buzzer beater.

659
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,480
What if they review that? What if Pabulatory decides to

660
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:42,960
review the buzzer beater and they got taken away for

661
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:48,440
a month? Okay, five and twenty, we'll bring the Dips back.

662
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,559
This is our I think we might have to.

663
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, So that means they lose the next four

664
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:02,880
on the road trip. Yeah, if that happens, the Dips

665
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,320
are back.

666
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,199
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll lose the next four.

667
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: Hey, I didn't think they lose the last five, or

668
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:14,639
the last fourteen of sixteen or god, they can't get

669
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:15,280
real here.

670
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Speaker 1: They're not going to lose the next four. They're not

671
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,760
gonna lose nine in a row. That's impossible.

672
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: Jack, you are really tempting fate here.

673
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: I hate And so here's the thing. I hate that

674
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,519
I'm tempting fate by saying I don't think they'll lose

675
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:28,199
the next four.

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Speaker 3: We remember, Fuck, we won two games in a month

677
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,800
of vaum.

678
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: I know, my first full.

679
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,079
Speaker 3: Month of the season, we won two games.

680
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: Hanna keeps asked me why I'm still watching. She says,

681
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,400
you get so mad. I said, that's because they.

682
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,519
Speaker 3: Played jokes about it anymore.

683
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: At work.

684
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: They're just like, no, bro.

685
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,159
Speaker 1: Someone asked me how I was doing it. I said,

686
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:02,679
doing great, loving these five and sixteen Clippers, and they went, okay.

687
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,079
Speaker 2: I'm getting people from the Bill Walton ere like this

688
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,480
is the worst I've ever seen it.

689
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: Someone on YouTube was like, sounds like you guys have

690
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,320
never watched the Coopers se lose before. I want to

691
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,840
be like, first of all, idiot, this is a completely

692
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,880
different scenario than being completely mismanded. It's like it used

693
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,079
to be.

694
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,119
Speaker 2: You're right, they've had fourteenth straight winning seasons, sir, it's

695
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:25,920
been a while.

696
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: It's been it's been one hundred years. This was so

697
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,159
entitled this season feels like it's been one hundred years,

698
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,400
but it hasn't. It's been one hundred years. I don't know.

699
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: You got them losing tomorrow, but winning the game against

700
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,599
Memphis and losing to Minnesota.

701
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: Winning one of the back to back games. However, if

702
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,679
they do go over and one, if they do go

703
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,000
oh to three, I will concede they have a pretty

704
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,679
good shot at going five and twenty Win.

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00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:11,039
Speaker 2: God Win, guys, John Collins, I've been watching closely. If

706
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:13,360
I put together a mixtape of how much he is

707
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,239
being hunted on defense the last three or four games,

708
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,519
I don't think people would believe it. I don't think

709
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,599
like every after every time out atos, everybody is just

710
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:26,920
going right at him. Oh. I did not think the

711
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,480
defense would be this bad for him.

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Speaker 3: And he's not doing himself any favors on the other

713
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end of the floor.

714
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Speaker 2: And he's missing layups. He's not putting him in a

715
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:44,199
position he's missing is this And by the way, he

716
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,039
shot over thirty eight percent combined in the last two

717
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:48,840
years from three, So I don't want to hear this

718
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,599
like he's not a three point shooter. He needs to

719
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,480
hit some threes.

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Speaker 1: He's shooting his literal I believe last time I checked,

721
00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:00,880
just probably too recently, his worst three point and two

722
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,199
point percentage of his career.

723
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: We're not using him right, he shouldn't be, you know.

724
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: Right, well, you can't dribble.

725
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,599
Speaker 2: So you see what happened in the Lakers game of

726
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,760
the fourth quarter against him with those back door cuts

727
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,960
and just him being like, oh I got there's a

728
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,360
guy there.

729
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm a low man, the defense is crazy. The defense

730
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,400
is much worse than I thought it was.

731
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: Can you do a sub on a per possession basis?

732
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:27,880
Has that been tried before?

733
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,519
Speaker 2: It happens late in games they do.

734
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: The wrestling move or they're using using him correctly? Is

735
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,199
love thread only on offense? And then he's taken off

736
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:37,639
the floor and.

737
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: He's hiding on defense. You know what they gotta do

738
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,840
is he's off the floor, you give yourself a little

739
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,679
cut on the top of the hand, and that way

740
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:47,639
you got to make a sub. You go, blood of

741
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:50,360
my jersey. There's blood of my jersey. I gotta set out.

742
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: Sane.

743
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,639
Speaker 2: Hey, wait, is the injury report out for tomorrow?

744
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Excuse Bogie is out his day to day injury. As

745
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,920
La Murray put, it is now a day to day

746
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,440
to day to day today.

747
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,119
Speaker 2: I've been twenty is back on the menu? Boys, even

748
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,320
bro are we okay?

749
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,519
Speaker 1: So here's what's frustrating is five for twenty is a

750
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,360
goddamn Chilies.

751
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: Deal Applebee's please.

752
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: Okay, whatever, it's the point you get five items for

753
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,840
twenty dollars.

754
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like two probably like two weird dackarees and

755
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,239
like a tiny steak.

756
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: Get an appetizer. Let me look, it's a dinner for

757
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:36,639
two things.

758
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,559
Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to dinner if they get to five

759
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,719
and twenty, yeah are we?

760
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: We're going to where?

761
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to a bar?

762
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: Okay two apple Applebee's is two for twenty. I was off. Shit.

763
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: Fuck, will there goes partnership.

764
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: If they if they get to five and twenty, I see,

765
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,639
I will treat us all to Applebee's on my dime.

766
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to good Applebee's.

767
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,039
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want us to be five and twenty, dude,

768
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:18,559
and you're not paying for it. They got salads.

769
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: I can't believe. This is how bad things are. Jordan

770
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:26,679
Miller comes back, has a six to zero run, immediately

771
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,760
hurts his back. He's questionable for tomorrow now too, Like they, yes,

772
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,360
we're not hurt. We could really use Jordan Miller. We

773
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,159
could use and he could use these reps like this

774
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,599
is the last few weeks would have been great for him.

775
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,719
Kobe Sanders has regressed some or the book is out

776
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,880
and teams are stamping him and yeah, it's confidence. Whatever

777
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,559
it happens.

778
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,039
Speaker 1: King Christy can't hit water if you fill out of

779
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,960
a damn boat. I'm using ramp sayings now is how

780
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,840
bad this team is?

781
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,599
Speaker 2: Sort of the sort said that once.

782
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, why isn't the team going?

783
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,159
Speaker 3: Why am I not getting more team dinners?

784
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,519
Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to talk about. Wow, what

785
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:16,639
a way to bring this all back earlier when I

786
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,760
forgot what I was going to say. So during the

787
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Lakers game, they talked about how the Lakers did some

788
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:27,280
wacky outing together they like organized by Reddick or.

789
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: Guy.

790
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: Of course he's suing to get a child's summer camp

791
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,079
off of the pickleball court. Anyway, I was like, Oh,

792
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:40,840
the Clippers should do some wacky team outings. Well they

793
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,639
did a shoot around. They did one extra shoot around,

794
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:47,760
so on the WAU not fun on the wacky team

795
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,480
outing scale, they're here, They're at the they're below the scale.

796
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,920
We start getting more.

797
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: Grab grab some sizzler, go to skys on.

798
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: We went to the skys though, we went to f one card.

799
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,800
We start getting into like some of the guys have

800
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,719
a graph crew and they go out and tag at night.

801
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:11,519
Speaker 3: Once we get to stuff like this, then they are

802
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,280
very disjointed. Then they need something going on. And I

803
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,639
do know that, Like we make too much out of

804
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:19,880
the team ditters and who's a team leader, and who

805
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:23,679
yet and all that stuff and like and all that stuff.

806
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,159
But there is something that looks very disjointed on this team,

807
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,039
and I think you gotta try to work that out somehow.

808
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:30,679
Speaker 2: I don't know.

809
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,559
Speaker 3: I don't know the answer.

810
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Progressively what I just told you, I think that would

811
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,159
fix it progressively. Whack here. Oh, Team shooter round kind

812
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:40,159
of just feels like work.

813
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: Oh that's more work.

814
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: Oh, Team pottery class, this is fun.

815
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: Team ropes course.

816
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:52,119
Speaker 1: Team ropes course. Well nothing, we know a guy nothing

817
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,320
high up where you would fall.

818
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:55,639
Speaker 3: We know a guy who could lead the ropes course.

819
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: You do, hey, oh yeah I do. Yeah, Whackier Ship.

820
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,039
Speaker 2: Win a game, win a game, that would be wack coach.

821
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,840
All right, so we're gonna have this crazy outing. It's

822
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,039
a state farm arena in Atlanta tomorrow, guys. Pretty cool.

823
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: This is very clearly the two differences in head coach

824
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,280
Mockler and head coach Ocelin. You guys want a fun time,

825
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,400
how about we win a fucking game. I'm like candy,

826
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,719
We got Candy.

827
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 3: We bring lou willback just as a just divide.

828
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: Ye take.

829
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:41,119
Speaker 3: He's not gonna play to.

830
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: Be clear, speaking of Clippers who were vibes, We're gonna

831
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,320
end the show on kind of a bittersweet note. Congratulations

832
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:55,000
to the Nilo Gallinari for retiring. Fantastic career, an incredible clipper.

833
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was good and there's a two year thing.

834
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: How are we needed?

835
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: He was a part of that twenty nineteen first round

836
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,000
series against Golden State and for.

837
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: What the team needed at the time, it was this

838
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,280
transition period. It was like, dude, he's consistent, he's goofies if.

839
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,159
Speaker 3: You look back. I mean, he and Tobias Harris were

840
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,719
such a pivotal part into what would become the two

841
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,440
and three era, which I know we all have bitter

842
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,519
feelings on now, but uh, a lot of things don't

843
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:26,559
happen with those two guys.

844
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: And he was part of one of the greatest bits

845
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,920
Will and I ever invented or nicknames, which was Tobias

846
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,679
Harris and Denio Gallinari were Tobio. Mariam Swanson hates that,

847
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,840
which I don't get. Shout out Mariam Swanson, who does

848
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,800
wonderful work anyway, crazy he's retiring, Shout out to you

849
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,199
the rooster the rooster man. All right, that about wraps

850
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,400
things up. One of us is going to be in

851
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,159
Las Vegas at a collegiate wrestling tournament this weekend, so

852
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,199
there might only be an episode on Sunday, but we'll

853
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:00,239
figure something out.

854
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: There.

855
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: Will there will be Clippers talk, I know that much.

856
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:07,719
Thank you Adam for continuing to do that. I'm sorry

857
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,119
for the abuse that you get in the chat.

858
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: Will. They're not even real people. Let's just troll.

859
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:23,119
Speaker 1: Makes me laugh, Will, Where can people I do think

860
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,079
when things are bad, it's kind of fun to listen

861
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,320
to this show because we have a little bit of

862
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,239
fun with it. Where can people review their sorrowful listening

863
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,519
of clips and.

864
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 3: Do yeah, yeah, we'll take pity likes. You can review

865
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,760
us anywhere you get your podcasts, over on Apple Podcasters.

866
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,519
Spotify is the best way to do it helps us out.

867
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,880
I don't know where they aggregate reviews on other things,

868
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,880
but if you happen to listen somewhere else, go ahead,

869
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,960
leave a little, leave a little ready to review there.

870
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:49,519
You can also check us out over on YouTube dot

871
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:53,079
com at Clippers Podcast. But yeah, however you listen, however

872
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,320
you watch, if you're still listening, if you're still watching,

873
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,639
we appreciate you so so much. Uh, maybe we can

874
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,440
turn this ship around dish.

875
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

876
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Maybe. And if you've ever worked for if you've ever

877
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,639
worked for Clips and Dip, leave us a review on glassdoor.

878
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,760
Go ahead and give us five stars for being a

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00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,440
great employer.

880
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: There.

881
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:21,199
Speaker 1: Uh adam, this keeps getting more difficult every week. It

882
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,480
started as a fun thing, but now it's like, damn,

883
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,880
we need one positive thing to head into this three

884
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,400
and four.

885
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: Coach Lou finally pushed the if you're not gonna play hard,

886
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:36,639
you're not gonna play button. And I want to see

887
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,480
what happens tomorrow. After the starters got ventilated did in

888
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:40,360
the third quarter.

889
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: There we go. We want to see it. Thank you

890
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,119
for listening. As Will said, here's to me not having

891
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,079
to take everyone to Applebee's. I don't want to be

892
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,599
five and twenty and when we're six and twenty, I

893
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,559
am a party like a god damn lunatic.

894
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: You know it's not good in the neighborhood the Clippers

895
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,800
right now, No, not at all.

896
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody. We will be back soon and

897
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,719
as always, let's go Clips.

898
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah,