Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Gimmick Here on geek Verse.
It is your wrestling show. I am the Phantom and
I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: At some bobs. Here. We're back again with a quicker
episode than usual.
Speaker 1: I'd say, yep, quicker than usual. Travis Snell is not here,
as some of you know who has been following the
geek Verse as a whole. He was viciously attacked at
his own home wall talking about his return to podcasting.
So since that attack, he is still at home recovering,
so we are waiting on an update on our co
host when he will be back. He did make a
brief cameo on Marvel Alliance podcast this week where I
had the pleasure of seeing him full bandish up. So
I mean it's real to.
Speaker 3: Him, damn it.
Speaker 1: So where are we seeing him? A speedy recovery, but
we are going to just start off by a s
Bub's house. Your time been since I've last seen.
Speaker 2: You, It's been good. I went to a WA house
show holiday tour a few weeks ago. That was fun
just seeing live wrestling there and also just hearing other people,
like casual fans' thoughts on wrestling stuff. That's happening. I
have a funny one. I can mention play later when
we talk about some stuff related and related to it.
But yeah, I've been having a good time so far.
And yeah, it's definitely a big week of lots of
wrestling news of all sorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's been a lot of wrestling going on on.
You know, we've had the big one with Raw's Netflix
debut and everything that's gone on with that. We've had
some stuff happening in the sphere of a w and
you know, we ended the year and now we're looking
forward to seeing what is next in the world of wrestlings. So,
speaking of Rall's Netflix debut, let's just go ahead and
start with that. Oh, something's happening here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he.
Speaker 4: Has risen, I have risen. I'm here. We can think
that there's no words that God damn.
Speaker 2: Make the joke that, like much like aw with Keny,
Omega will really never know when he's ready to come back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just like Kenny, o'meagel will never know when
he's come back. And I'm here. Luckily the grandparents picked
up the other kiddos a little earlier, so I thought,
you know what, I mean, come by, it's not my
return to geek first gimmicks. Gimmicks are show. I was
made sure the lawyers got right to that, so we'll
talk about that all another time. But no, I'm I'm
here to join some fun. So I didn't tell these
two guys. And I'm like, oh if I, cause I
didn't know I it was gonna line up like if
not I had the cooking video ready, I'm like, Okay,
I'm gonna get ready. Damn why if I think it
slowed it down and stuff. But no, I'm I'm happy
to be here because there's lots of talk about So
I'm excited to join here.
Speaker 1: So awesome, And you're jumping in at a perfect time.
We were just about to get into the wonderment that
was the raw Netflix debut January sixth, Big things happened.
It was hyped to note in they have moved from
their home on the USA network, where they have been
with the exception of a brief stint with another channel
for a while, but they have been with Spike.
Speaker 4: Remember they were on Spike the network for men. Were
you alive? S? Pubs? When Spike was a thing where
you know what that is. It was. That's what it was.
It was the network for men and it was all
like Cops. It was Girls Gone Wild. It was I'm
not sure if you ever heard of this show. It's
called A Thousand Ways to Die. It's like it's yeah,
so it's all like the most like male coded stuff and.
Speaker 2: Of like something like it was it like they had
like an awards show or something. I think I think
the Men's Award or something like accepting. I forget what
the context of it is. I remember it's a funny video,
but you awards.
Speaker 4: They used to give antlers out to people's awards. I
think it was the Men Awards.
Speaker 1: Because they had a Man Show with Adam Carolla and
Jimmy Kimmel, and so that that would come on right
after Ross. You would have Raw, you'd have the Man Show,
and then you'd go into three hours of ads for
Girls Gone Wild and it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if you're watching that any time from two
am to six am, it was a wild time to
be ten years old. We're just looking for the Raw
repeat and do not leave the TV on no no, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big moment for the WW. They
promised us something along the lines of a WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: They did deliver that in some ways.
Speaker 1: I will say that I wouldn't say when it comes
to match quality or things like that, but when it
comes to the presentation, it had the big event feel
and when it came into the massive run ins and
constant bringing back of old school wrestlers, it did definitely
have the WrestleMania field to it. So as well as
I'll start with you, what is your just overall reaction
to the Netflix Raw debut.
Speaker 2: I'd say overall, I liked it. I think it was
good and we'll for me in the and you know,
for us viewers it was had didn't have no ads,
but I had reduced ads. I do think that made
a difference. Like I feel like it wasn't like I
felt like, okay, we're right back to it after only
a little bit. I thought like overall it didn't feel
it was three hours, but it really didn't feel as
long as it was. I think there was a lot
going on, even if just match was there was only
four I think, but well, we can talk compared to
smack down the pacing, but I guess there's a well
and even when you look at it, you're like, oh,
just more matches. But then you look at stuff like
how long was that opening promo? How long was the
scene of promo. How long did it take Rock to
walk to the ring and put the ula pall on Roman.
That's probably like another twenty five minutes in there. So
when you really look at it, there was probably just
like an hour of stuff that's not wrestling. Was still
stuff going on, just that's not ads. And because I
think without ads, on the replay it's like two thirty
or two twenty or something like that.
Speaker 4: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's much lower on the replay. They they cut
it down significantly. They also on the replay, Uh cut
the Rocks massive amount of cursing. You know, if anyone
has seen the backstage footage of him and Drew, and
Drew's like, oh, we can curse now, we can really
curse now.
Speaker 4: Drew in for the Juggular, I.
Speaker 2: Saw and I forgot to watch it. I knew, I
knew what it would be, but I watch it.
Speaker 1: Oh, he goes in. He says, you know, the standard
words that they normally get bleeped forward. Then he says
some words that you do not expect to see on television.
Speaker 4: Even words I've never heard undert.
Speaker 1: Yes, words that I rarely even hear on Netflix television,
Like it was that much. So uh yeah, Now what's
your initial thoughts of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so overall, I I enjoyed it. I understand why
because now I've been because you know, I'm prepping stuff,
been being on the the ex the Twitter a bit
more lately. So I saw the reactions the day after that,
there's a lot of I think mixed to negativity. But
I just kind of I think I had my expectations
right because there's always this expression. Maybe it's different with
Triple H, but with the Vents era well, which was
just I guess just before like fifty years, but before
it was always WrestleMania was the big event for the
general audience and SummerSlam was the big event for the
wrestling fans. That's when you'd get your likes.
Speaker 2: A lot from fans that said, like Backlash was WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that had to be the thing. That money of
the bank at times has been WrestleMania. So that's the thing.
Like to me when they were when Triple H and
company started being like, oh this feels like WrestleMania, It's
like Okay, I know exactly what type of show we're
gonna get. You know where they get Netflix, because they
only told me about fifteen hundred times, Like I may
get it in.
Speaker 2: The in the Netflix, like the like the Raw Top
ten moments in between each moment they tell you, like
get Netflix to watch Raw, Like we're all I watching this,
I'm watching Netflix. There's Raw top set moments and yeah,
tell me it's they get Netflix to watch.
Speaker 4: Like I don't have it here. But it's the same
thing with you, guys and Kim telling you to come
to AMC. It's like you're already there. It's the same thing.
On the is the ring it there's a Netflix logo
on the ring. It's like there's a Netflix logo everywhere.
So there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Stuff to me makes sense Like if you're if this
clip is going around, then there's a big Netflix starving
on it. Like that makes sense to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like out of context or anywhere else. Yeah, that's fine.
So that one. That's that's a good point. But there
is a lot of ww does, tons of the back
padding and biggest debut ever and everything like that. So
if you absolutely hate this stuff, i'd get that why
it was a long time. But for me, I just thought,
that's what they're gonna do. They do the same thing
in WrestleMania. We're sold out, biggest gate ever.
Speaker 2: We are super Kicks, but we should It's it's exciting.
How many times will they say netflike's on the first.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, that would have been good.
Speaker 2: Maybe more than the Super Kicks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it could be close to fifty honestly in
a three hour broadcast. But overall I thought it was good.
I thought they had some big angles. There's one in
particular thing that I really don't like, but we'll we'll
get to that. But no, some good blowoffs, I think.
To me, it makes sense. Obviously there's other stuff like
the Hogan thing, but that's like that was gonna be
a disaster regardless. It's funny how big of a disaster
it's been, to the point of I shared you guys
article where they're like they're looking at new superstars to
be the face of the beer. It's just like, sometimes
all these corporations are tone deaf and they don't get it.
I don't understand. But overall, I thought it was a
good debut. But this week we'll be back to regular raw.
For me and for other people that are in the internationals,
it was great because now it's like a, I don't
have commercials NXT and smackdowns still do. We don't get commercials.
We just get the weird light.
Speaker 2: I saw videos of like I saw the international for NXT.
You guys got that book for for us? Like I
was watching live, there were some do you I don't
know if there's like for in the When I was
watching it live, it was like they had picture and
picture for almost all the matches, and I think internationally
it just went to the to the graphics so that you.
Speaker 4: Mean to these videos the and it's just like all them,
like for three minutes and the man after SmackDown. During SmackDown,
it sucked because they they were starting to play the
last hours like the same one over and over. But yeah,
so NXT, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Know because it was like a special CW thing like it.
It showed the picture and picture and then above it
it was like it was slightly larger than the normal
picture picture and it said like c he presents NonStop NXT.
But it was weird. They picked the picture picture for
the random for the most random one like sometimes it
wasn't the matches, Like we got picture and picture for
Lexus King and Charlie Devsey's entrance though, like that was
the picture and picture who was just the Entrick Williams
entrance too. He was doing the his entrance for like
the entire commercial break, just like he did every turn
buckle at his entrance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my last one is other than I think
one match. I think they're all good, but nothing was
super notable. I think the main eventure, which is punk
and rolls, I think that was noble. I thought they
had great chemistry. The rest will talk about, but overall,
I thought it was a good Hey we're here on Netflix,
were a big deal and like, well, like we I
guess was a little bit much better than SmackDown. SmackDown
was tough to.
Speaker 2: I think the lawn last, like the SmackDown three hour
debut last week, was pretty good. But I think what
I've learned is like if there's a show with no
matches announced, like in Triple, it's gonna it's gonna be
bad or like Killer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just it's just I think stuff like
we obviously we didn't get pental. We'll talk about that
at some point, I'm sure, but that stuff where it's
like Penton needs to go to smack Like I think
SmackDown needs a couple and I know people like, oh,
bron Shaman's injured. It's like, that's not the juice I'm
talking about. Maybe I guess that's all right, but yeah,
so I need somewhere. But yeah, David, what do you
think about Netflix?
Speaker 1: I thought, overall, like I said, it was a WrestleMania
caliber show, and the fact that it had all the
pomp and circumstance, It had all the let's bring this back,
let's have this moment. It was all about the moments,
not the matches, except there was four matches, three of
which were pretty good matches, but it was four matches
to just get us through. But it was more about
let's give you these memorable moments. We started off with
the video that they released that beforehand, so we kind
of knew what was coming with that. We had the video,
and then of course Papa h has to do the intro.
Speaker 4: We yeah, we all call that.
Speaker 1: We we dropped the curtain and there he is. I
did get fearful at a moment when they set off
the pirro and he's still in the ring, like.
Speaker 4: I love those means. It's like, and then they killed
Triple A. It's just just like, shit, he's gone.
Speaker 2: It's like because in the like in the hard tamp angle,
it looks like he's like right near the front of
the ring. But if you look at the other angle,
that's like, yeah, he was like in the back, like
sort of near the the other side of the ropes
with the pirate in front of him. But yeah, I
just looked like he blew up and immediately.
Speaker 3: Immediately it looked like he was right in there.
Speaker 1: And then of course we've got the biggest star in
all of wrestling. Dwayne makes his babyface. Dwayne makes his
return to the w WE and just says, hey, remember
the last year and a half. Forget about it.
Speaker 4: I love Cody Rhodes, I love Roman Reins. Like I
guess yeah, because you get your thoughts, we could start there.
I absolutely hated all this. I'm of two minds right
because I think clearly the Rock has no fucking clue
when he's coming back. So I do appreciate I could
be wrong, right because people are like, oh, he could
wake up Tuesday and change his mind. I felt like
this was probably like, yeah, like even a backstage I'm
not doing Mania like and this to me felt like
a standout. So I like that. I like that for
the talent because all the scoopers have said, like everyone's
super paranoid back there, So now he can start to
build and not be like last year when it's just
a big change. But I wish there was other ways.
I even think there's a way he could have said
the things he said about Cody but still had the
final boss more character and kind of just still make
it like I'll see assume, but it Honestly, I would
have been surprised that the Rock was like and I've
learned I can never wrestle again, and like I'll be here,
but I'm just an ambassador.
Speaker 2: He apparently got like some injury and like that like
the eight twenty four movie was filming, he got like,
oh did he like, yeah, he like tour something like
in training and that was like they delayed a bunch. Yeah,
it's like they feel didn't get injured at all in
the working the match at WrestleMania in the training floor,
and then he's training for a movie of MMA, and
yeah he got injured there.
Speaker 4: He's too fucking big. He needs to take a note
from Batista. He needs to slip. Rock is a massive dude.
If he were to trim even twenty pounds, he's still
gonna look more massive than most humans.
Speaker 2: Like he just he's so definitely not for WrestleMania because
I remember people are concerned, like he was he hit
gender in a hall like three times and he was
looking gassed and then yeah, Fornia, Fornia is looking better.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I guess it all depends for me
of what happens in the future. If we never get
Rock and Roman and RockA Cody, then I was kind
of like, Okay, fine, he just blewed off went away.
If we do revisit that, it does take a little
steam off it because I thought last year, like you're else,
they did it such a good job of what's real
and what's not. This to me literally felt like the
magicians showing you how the trick was made. And I'm fine,
if they do it, maybe I can get excited, but
just felt like there was still that.
Speaker 2: It was like a Hall of Fame segment where they're
just like, not, why the.
Speaker 4: Same yeah, and that's where like all so it was.
It was odd. There was that stuff he didn't have
to do. I also found all they didn't think Triple
H at all, like you think almost everybody tap person
and not Triple I'm sure it's fine, even though the
great video of them backstage Triple H going for like
the Dab and Rock.
Speaker 2: One of my most liked letter box reviews is me
reviewing that WrestleMania documentary and saying, I think I think
Rock and Triple hate each other for real.
Speaker 4: I think there's a part of that still does. Seeah,
I hated the opening segment. I was really disappointed. But
we know we're going somewhere else for Mania, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see in the chat that Rock promo was
a disaster, basically Pat Cody on the head. Also, why
no entrance in big deal for the U versus Champ.
I get that everything about the Rocks promo, yet it
was off. He could have stayed the final boss. He
could have said, hey, here's your kudos, but I'm giving
you these because I wasn't here.
Speaker 3: You the whole everything he said.
Speaker 1: About you know, you've been running with the ball all
year and things like that. He could still set that,
but then made it safe because I wasn't here, like
you are only to do able to do those things,
because I wasn't here to do that.
Speaker 2: What you're saying right there is like literally the exact
promo that Oba said to Trick Williams like two weeks
ago about why he was n XT champion. He said
that he was only un champion because he was a
North American champion for the whole year, and then he
let him be champion.
Speaker 1: Tis triple Ace doesn't want to work Tuesdays.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and even the Roman Reins thing was odd
because he said that he's like, I'm gonna be watching
real close to travel cal himbat So I thought, Okay,
he's piecing out like the rocks out of here. But
then he still can back to do the Ulafalla gimmicks.
So I was like, why did he even say anything?
It was It was strange, But I I with Heines's question.
I yeah, I'm I'm a Cody Rhodes guy, so I'm biased.
But I said to you guys in the discord, I'm like,
he better not just be there to brawl Kevin Owens,
and he was. That's all they did with them. He
was sitting in the crowd. He kind of looked a
little like a chump with the rock in the ring
having this fucking he didn't have the people tell that point,
but the girl.
Speaker 2: When they had all the lights off before I started
playing the cold open and it was all dark, people
are chanting Cody like before the thing you started.
Speaker 4: I just feel it's I don't think it's as bad
nowhere near, but the conspiracy guy. I lived through the
Punk twenty twelve, twenty fourteen era, and I still feel like, Okay,
so if why is Roman and Solo having their big match,
is that not Cody? You know, I still feel like
WW says Cody's the quarterback, but they Roman's still the
guy to them. And I'm still waiting for that that
moment of when Cody is a little bit of abumman
because I said, I think I'd have to do the math.
But I think since anytime Roman's on a show, I
don't think Cody's ever man invented over him. It's always
Cody somewhere else unless they're together, right, So yeah, yeah,
I was a little disappointed that all it was was
just you know, you get the woe he beats up Kevin.
You know, that was it.
Speaker 1: I will say the one good and redeeming part about
the Rocks promo is him calling out Netflix and saying
that if he starts glitching, he was gonna come up
there and handle him. I was like that that was
a nice little nod, because you know, that's been a
conversation that's been happening, like how will they be able
to handle the traffic? So him calling that out immediately
was a little bit funny, Bud, and that there was
no need even says, hey, I'm going to be watching
the tribal combat closely before he gets into the his
catchphrase of if you can smell with the rock is cooking.
And then right after that we move move into our
first to four matches of the night, the solo versus
Roman Reigns in the tribal combat match, Which why do
we keep doing the tribal combat matches? I get, it's.
Speaker 2: Seconally only been one other tribal combat match. This is
different from a Roman Reigns is undefeated in tribal combat,
Cody r is undefeated in bloodline rules.
Speaker 4: They're different there, I forgot is.
Speaker 2: For the for the tribal chiefdom. Okay, bloodline rules, it's
just blood blood line.
Speaker 1: If anyone can run in and thirty people will run in,
which is.
Speaker 4: Other than the Jay other than the Jam Roman Trial
Combat one, they're all the same match where it's the
they wrestle and then it turns into w w N
game where people come out and it's just it's it's
like lasting degrees from WrestleMania to SummerSlam to now, I
don't need another trial combat.
Speaker 2: Like the Well, we'll talk about the Summer Slam match later.
I'll say that that the Cody versus Solo SummerSlam match
is on one of my My Awards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, they they have their traditional wrestling
match to start it off before Tomatonga comes in and
Jacob Fox two comes in and they're going down on it.
And then the first person to run out to the.
Speaker 3: Ring is Sammy Lusso.
Speaker 1: He's the great savior of all these people that you
had in the back. And I'm gonna get to another
point with this in the second is Sammy Uso is
the first one to come out. No one else from
the old blood line, no one else from his family.
Speaker 2: Sammy and Jimmy like running together. Yeah, they both came
in at the same time. It was just Sammy's music.
Speaker 1: Okay, you give you give Sammy the pop out of
all of them, You're giving sam the pop.
Speaker 3: Jimmy comes down him again.
Speaker 4: That is jim again, that pop though like he'll get
somewhat pop up. People aren't pop in the same way
for Sammy. You know, I'm very curious what Jimmy does
when he's not teaming with Cody, his brother or sam.
Speaker 1: So they go back and forth and then it's uh
Sammy saying, and Jimmy versus Uh Jacob and Toma Tonga
all the brawl and Kevin Owens comes down to nowhere
hits the stars.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 4: That that was great. I actually thought Rome was gonna
lose there because I thought, oh what, and I kind
of hope he did, not that I want more of
the tribal comment, but just like that would have been
such a great mode for the Kevin Owens character, like
to fuck and know what sucks. It's it's weird that
Roman's like when you back next Juary too said like
doesn't give a fuck, Kevin Owens gone involved the match
all it's like whatever I'm piecing off. So I was
hoping that was the end of it. Actually to see
what happened.
Speaker 1: So, uh, he comes out and then Cody hits the center.
Cody has to come out, hit the ring, you know,
get his mother in there. Rains connects with the spear
one two three, he wins.
Speaker 3: After the match, we.
Speaker 1: Get Paul Hayman doing the kneel down with the ulafalla
handed to him and who comes back? But the Rock
gotta make it about him. Remind you while he is
the head of the table. So he comes back. He
places the ulafalo around Roman Rains's neck. They have that
stare down before they then have the Arnold Schwarzenegger grasp
clap up so that they're all quote unquote united, which
again furthers the whole Rock's not coming back. I think
that while Roman reigns, winning in this context did fit
and it does help with the story. I think because
you're gonna have more with new bloodline versus the old
blood line. So this was booking wise, a good decision.
Rock coming out at the end. I'm not too sure
about that. Even if it was just to blow up
the last year of booking. It just it didn't seem
to make that much sense.
Speaker 4: I was hoping for rock Bottom, man, I was so
I was so even if we didn't pick up on
it later, I was like, okay, even if we don't
get Roman or Cody and Rock, that's fine, I want
one the Butani he still stood there. I know people
are like, he looks mad after but who knows.
Speaker 3: But you never do the turn.
Speaker 1: You gotta as stone clothes say call in audible, say hey,
look forward, hit him with the rock bottoming call of
the day.
Speaker 4: When I suppose is at a frame, I just love it.
Just shoot her with the keeek thing. Uh yeah. The
actual match, I don't have much to say. I thought
it was fine. I thought, yeah, no, I just thought
it was It was okay. I think it's the type
of match that people meme solo for, and I feel
like I'm a solo defender. I don't think he's great,
but I think people talk about him like he's this
awful worker. But this match just it was kind of
I think the problem is because when all these matches
they work around knowing what that ending is gonna be
all interference. So I thought it was fine. My last
point because I don't think we're fully reviewing smacked, I said,
you guys in discord, I'm just officially done with Bloodline
versus Bloodline stuff. That now that to me, this should
have been the end. And already on SmackDown we're getting
Cody and Jimmy teaming up. But uh yeah, I don't
I don't really care about it now. I think let's
move on.
Speaker 2: They're sort of moving on to like now there's sort
of like this l A Night stuff with Jacob and
the US title. Yeah stuff. I think that's where they're
gonna go.
Speaker 1: Now, Solo's gonna come back and he has to answer
for him his loss. So who knows where they're gonna
go from here. I don't know if jacobatu is going
to take over the New blood Line and we go
from there, but.
Speaker 5: Home more New blood Line, the exact same segment they
always do, really kick someone on, someone new comes in
and that's we finally got the debut of Talatonga and
changes his name as Caesar.
Speaker 4: So goa, I get the I get the ideas behind them.
It's just like, well, we're gonna kick Solo. That's Jacob,
Talma and Tall. It's just like we're really we're really.
Speaker 1: Really starting to go in wo style. We had to
split off. We had the wolf Pack and now we.
Speaker 3: Are just diluting the waters here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, my.
Speaker 4: Pitch is, I don't know if if they want to
do Jacob and Roman, because obviously Jacob would have to
be heal. But obviously we'll talk about Roman later in
his plans.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I've been pitching that you keep the new bloodline around
to Rumble and then you have Jacob and Solo clash
at Rumble and that starts the full on breaking. To me,
that's the that's the agenda, Solo and Jacob at Many.
I think that's like a good mid card like twelve
to fifteen match. You put Jacob over Strong and then
I don't know, he goes and beats, squashes, Knockamora or
somebody like. I think, like Jacob and Roman, you can
do it any time. I think Jacob and Solo because
if not, I really I suppose me like Soulo is
going to be like a batter oil guy, like I
don't know what like that to me is the last
cap of that. But I suppose was this was this
match a match of year for you?
Speaker 2: It was what I expected. I think the the run
in and stuff made it more fun and like I said,
I really like the ko one really got me. But overall, yeah,
it was what I expect. I didn't think Solo was
gonna win and he didn't. Uh, But yeah, just like
you said, interesting to see where they go, what the
new Bloodline does sort of outside of Bloodline stuff in
the future.
Speaker 1: Where do we go from here with them? That is
going to be the big question, and we'll have to
stay tuned to see what Triple H has in store
for them, whether it be going forward on Raw on
Netflix or if they stay on Small. I have a
feeling though, that they started off and they kicked off
Raw because Roman will be moving to Raw. He will
be one of their faces for that.
Speaker 4: What do we think he's doing the twenty seventh, because
I feel like it's I don't know, it could be
something too K related, but that's dumb because like it's
we like, I don't think it's a big thing. We
know he's probably the cover. They already said he's in
the Rumble. That's what I thought it was gonna be
of him just doing a cinema proma and then I'm
gonna win the Royal Rumble, but they let Paul do that,
so I'm not sure if it's just a stare down
with someone. They could always go for an easy scene
a Roman segment. I actually think that could be fun.
Speaker 2: To talk about. I mean maybe he says like, I
don't know, like I'm the greatest of all time and
I'm gonna win the rumble and then see it comes out.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that'd be good fun.
Speaker 1: I think it will be uh Paul Hayman having a
celebration of Roman where he announced they formally announced him
as not only the tribal chief but the for the
new two K game. And then that's when we will
have the Who's Roman's next opponent? Who's gonna come out
ruin this celebration? Where do we go from here?
Speaker 3: As someone else declares for the rod.
Speaker 4: Rumble carrying Cross gonna come out with fucking little sand
a time thing because he did that to Roman when
he came back. He interfered in a Roman match. They
got to pay that off. I'm waiting every time, like
when's Roman and Carrion Cross getting it. I was gonna
say something else about the oh the I was gonna
say the game. They shouldn't make like a pre order
bolt bonus where you get like an Ula Falla or
something like that. I'm surprised.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like the pre order bonus. Yeah, because
this year is the for Cody. The pre order bonuses.
You've got a I think you got Undashing Cody Rhodes,
you got Dusty, and you got I think Superstar Billy
Grant you did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you get like Roman's dad. That could be one.
You could get him in like the FCW worries in
the trunks Like really, I think, yeah, Joe like yeah,
whatever he went by, and like Shield he's always there,
Like there's a Shield version always in the game. So
you get that. I guess you get the Action Figure
one two, right, Roman? But I was gonna say, why
aren't they I know it's like precious, but why is
W not selling fake Ula falls for people to boy?
You know back in the.
Speaker 1: Back when physical copies were more of a thing, like
how they had to undertake a edition and you had
to coffin or you had to find ballad one with
the toy or things like that. I think if we
were still heavy into the physical editions, they would probably
have a deluxe edition that had an Ula follow with it.
Because I got frontality. If Roman Reigns is going to
be uh this one. You would have a quote unquote
Tribal Chief Edition that would come with the Samoan Dynasty
DLC included, so you would get, you know, all those
versions of Roman, you would get, all the members of
the blood line, you would get his uncles, would get
Rakishi like. You would have all of these people unlocked.
If you got the Tribal Chief Edition that came automatically
with that Samoan Dynasty unlock you can get.
Speaker 4: I can't remember. I saw a clip the other day
on Twitter. It was like Roman's cousin. I think it
was like Lance Lenore or something like that, where he
wrestled Shane for one time in Shanter beat him up.
So yeah, lots of cousins he could do.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So after the Roman Rains match and after the Rock,
we hear from a good friend of the Rock, John
Cena makes his way to the ring. It's probably the
worst kept secret that he was going to be making
an appearance here, you know, it's part of his farewell tour,
and in a shock to no one, he does his
little I don't know how much time I have left.
I don't know this. I want to win a Championship,
but I don't know if I can be on that
big stage.
Speaker 3: If only there were a way I could get there.
Oh yeah, the Royal.
Speaker 1: Rumble is coming up, and he announces himself into the
Royal Rumble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I was because now obviously the big working
rumor is which you know, I'm wrong on some stuff
we'll talk about today. But I remember me and Daytablo this,
I said, Cody and Sena because they know the last episode.
You're like, I don't know if they should do it.
Months ago, I'm like, they that uber babyface Sean Taker,
it's there and it seems like that's the way to go.
And I I would imagine if you're doing that, I
think you just have Seena win the rumble. I think
there would have been something fun where it's he tries
the Rumble, he loses, he tries the chamber, he loses,
and he has to get money in the bank. And
sure he'd win money bank in. But if they're going
that direction the way he set it up, he says
he hasn't won a match it over two thousand days,
so that is the way to get the win. I think. Obviously,
gunn Thro's opponents up in the air. There's been rumors
of rollins and rumors of Logan Paul. Paul winning the
Rumble is fucking nightmare one on one, and I feel
like that would be such a Vince move. So I
don't know if you're he's like, oh, I'm gonna make
the old man a little happy watch this one. But
I just feel like that's a smart way to go.
Just have seen her win the rumble. Get him to Cody,
he can have the whole who could I face? He
could go because who is Cody? And Gun? Yeah, I
guess he could tease Gun there and even if they
wanted someone go Gun through. But I think he's I
know we're gonna do rumble predictions next episode, but I
do think he's I think he's winning the rumble. I
think the way they set up is how do I
get a shot while I got to win.
Speaker 2: I think it was pre locked in the draft.
Speaker 4: You yeah, thats a good job.
Speaker 1: I definitely can can see that. And you know what,
that's that would be a good shout for them because
then you can promote WrestleMania his matchup WrestleMania as his
last WrestleMania match, and it is for a title like
that is a big promotional tool. And again, WrestleMania is
all about getting those casuals, in getting those people because
you already know the wrestling fan is gonna watch it.
You're promoting now for the casuals. So if you have
John Cena in a big marquee match, then I think
that's a perfect opportunity to do that. And at this
point I wouldn't be mad at it.
Speaker 4: I want your early gut predictions. We're so far away,
like three four months. Does he win or not?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, he's in my heart or.
Speaker 4: The title the title he beat? Does he let's say
it's specifically if it's Cody versus Scena, because Cody versus
Cena versus Gunther, I feel like that's more like sea
Like it's like, okay, it's just gun to. But Cody,
this is the long rain. He's the new quarterback at
the Does he beat Cody? So David r.
Speaker 1: Versus Sena Sena wins, but it's it's not a clean
win there.
Speaker 3: Someone is gonna.
Speaker 4: Cut he turns, slow blow, he does the Austin Fince
turn when triple h and then just beat the ship
out of Cody and he finally does it.
Speaker 1: I think it would be a situation where someone costs Cody,
but it won't be uh it did. It won't be
like you know, the massive runands where Sina knows he
got help. I think it will be a situation where
they're just brawling and someone comes out takes out Cody,
and then that's how Sena overcomes.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, like, what aw wrestler can we
bring in the.
Speaker 4: Oh, let's say, I mean Malachi Black did kick his
head off, So remember Malchi Black's first Yeah, it was
with Cody. Right now, here's my dream pitch that legitimly
would be full circle makes sense. Could you fucking imagine
they do the whole hoodie thing if that was MJF,
because the whole Cody and MJF thing that would be math.
I got chills right now.
Speaker 2: That was laughing at this.
Speaker 4: That's you're out of context, like standing over Cody at WrestleMania. Well,
Sina's confused with the title. No, see, I think it's
like they do. Remember I'm not sure have you ever
watched Rock and Sina one?
Speaker 2: Uh no?
Speaker 4: But they know, yeah, what they did, they'll win. Sena
lost the match they had cole Vince made him hit
him over the head that Cena didn't lose the match.
It was like a football game where it's like the
Rock just happened to get last possession, like the Sina
ran out of time. It's like no hit with a
rock bombing, like yeah, you know, if you watch it,
it's like, oh, it's like the Rock got last possession.
They're just trying to make it seem like Sina got
swept up. I think they'll do the same thing where
Cody just got hit with one too many aas. And
I think that we've talked about this where I think
there's a good possibility. I would love Drew I s
Bub's Pitch Drew winning King of the Ring SummerSlam of
Drew Sena and Drew beat Sena. I think it's awesome.
And then you can even get Cody to wrestle it,
because this is what I think. I think if Cody
loses to Sena, I think Cody will beat him again
later on before he retires. I don't think. I don't
think it's gonna be a one and done squash and
that's it. But I I don't know. I think Cody,
I think Sina's gonna win, because I also don't think
Cody would care about losing to Sina, like I don't
think that's like a it's like a you're losing the scene.
In his last year they were travel buddies. He always
praises him like that. I don't think it's that bad.
And I think he'd beat me in so I would
have my money on Sena winning.
Speaker 1: So I think his reverence for Sena, plus his love
of the business, and then to know that someone that
your dad beat it with Rick Flair would have his
records beat. I think that that'd be just one more
notch for Cody to be like, yeah, no, go ahead,
get seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah with us fully thought it through your guys' pitcher.
I like that idea.
Speaker 4: Along with Alisons are good.
Speaker 2: I think it had to rank them play mj as
number one, then Malacha and then a clean finish to
the to the match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no one, There's no one else, because I
was trying to think of like there's no one elite
that makes sense. The Moxley thing you gotta say for
Seth and Roman, right, like what if he comes back,
which like hey, the way this death writer's angle's going,
not that I it sounds bad. I do want Moxley
to lay leave a w I've said this before because
I want him with the Shield Boys for a little bit.
And I think the way this death writer's angle's going,
I think it's gonna leave a bad taste in Tony
and Moxley's mouth. And then he's been like, you know what,
maybe it is just best I get out of here.
Moxley could also just wrestle for z CW for like
ten years and not do anything else, but uh, yeah,
it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I he's declared, I think that it it's
going to be a good time having him in the
rumble no matter where he goes. So we transition out
of two old timers making their return to the current
and future of the biz. We have Lived Morgan with
Raquel Rodriguez and Dominic Mysterio versus.
Speaker 4: Those are the two future live in.
Speaker 1: Raquel and what was promoted as the last woman Standing
match that didn't really have the last woman's standing stipulation.
Speaker 2: The people all got fooled by it, like people looked
it up, like like the the tweet that went around,
it's like, oh, they just announced it on main event.
It was on the graphic and main event, and then
like three weeks later after everyone believed that someone checked
and it's like that was like someone just completely made
it up and everyone believed it.
Speaker 4: Oh I never heard that all. I thought it was
just a w.
Speaker 2: It was just like a date graphic. But it was
on main events, so no one not the check.
Speaker 4: It even could imagine.
Speaker 2: But they never mentioned on TV or anything like never
broke as the last woman's standing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everything that I saw was like, oh,
we've got this last woman standing coming up and then nope.
Speaker 4: Do you imagine if they would have done the ending
because I said, like, oh, this last woman's standing, I
feel like Live's gonna win in the ending is like
Undertaker choke slamming Ria I helpfully get go in. But uh, yeah,
you know what. I think that for me, I was
always I always thought, I agree that Live is a
serviceable wrestler. She's a better character and probe than she
is in ring, right, But I still think she's good
and she's had like I don't know if I can
say a great match, but some pretty good matches. I
thought her and Rie at some point we're gonna have Oh,
this is the one that Hey, the angle was a
little long, but they really got us. I don't think
they had that here. I think the issue is I
think they need to They don't need to swap, but
I'm saying to have that great match, I think you
need to have Live as the baby and riheas the
heel to do the whole like underdog little wrestler with
gigantic big wrestler when Riea's the babyface against it. Just
it never clicked to the degree that I was hoping
in the ring. I still think. I know lots of
people hate the rain. I push against it because I
think it gave a lot of moments. I think I
will say that office I'm completely wrong because Live run
this won this even though or Live losses, even though
you know I did say that was the original plans.
I knew they were going that way. I just felt it.
But I think they did read the room. Okay, most
of the people are over this. I thought it was
like a It was a fine match. They did the
dom Andria moment, but I still think they should have
done that for in a bigger crowd. They should have
done it somewhere else. Now, but still they did that
and this was fun. The Undertaker moment was odd. It's
like Rhea, she doesn't like good for her. She enjoyed that,
but it's like she doesn't need that anymore. Like the
way he said she's the future, It's like she kind
of is, but she's not even now. She's like the present.
Like to me, the top three of this company is Roman, Cody,
and Her as far as like everything right, and it's
just it's odd. So I thought it was fine. And
I'll give s Bubbs's credit that so far. If you're
in the discord is uh, his theory might be right.
I still say that. I like I said, I think
Rio and EO. If we're going riah Ria and EO
and we go that way, it's gonna be great. I
just want to see what the story is because I
just I worry if we got Cody and Sina's the
Babyface Babyface match. If we have two of them, they'll
get lost in the shuffle and people will kind of
forget about it, but the match will be great. So yeah,
and yeah, and I would live. I don't know where
they go from there. I know people make all the
jokes with the tay Rope and the y at whatever thing.
Like I still think Triple H has plans for because
on the raw profile Netflix she there's only like seven icons.
She's one of them. And to me, like, if you
take what you've done with Live this whole year and
just kind of make our tag team wrestle again, that's
bad booker stuff. Because the wrestling fans may not, you
know whatever, enjoy lots of her work, but I feel
like in the mainstream she's like I just saw on
ET the other night where she's showing off her house
like it's whatever.
Speaker 2: The solos code and it's like they gave him like
nineteen of pl e main events, but what's he gonna
do at Wrestlingia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing, And that's where for her,
I'm kind of hoping it's not the Wyats and it
is something moreth the US or Inner Cardinals something, because
I feel like they raised her stock a lot and
if you're just throw in a tag but yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, this is out of the four matches,
this is the least of my least favorite of the
four matches, not saying it's a bad match, it was
just my least favorite.
Speaker 3: It was very just.
Speaker 1: It was there.
Speaker 3: It started itself with the ending.
Speaker 1: I think that this could have been closed out and
done better on a bigger stage, but hey, they wanted
this for the Netflix debut, so they got it. Outside
of that, Yeah, you get through the match, Morgan does
thing real, ends up going over. Dom comes in, looks
like he's following the championship, like he has no allegiency
in the Honey I'm Home before Ripley gets him down
low and then follows up with the rip Tide.
Speaker 3: Everyone pops.
Speaker 1: You knew everyone was gonna pop forward, and I think
that's really what they wanted from that.
Speaker 3: That was a social media moment.
Speaker 1: That's something that they could put on their Twitter, on
their TikTok for however long it's left to say, here's
a clip of this, and then after that, yeah, Ripley celebrates.
We get the Undertaker as the American Badass comes out
takes a lap. It was odd the way that the
Undertaker came out, because she's just walking and all of
a sudden, Undertaker comes out, just drives right past her,
circles off and then pulls up to do the looks
at all right.
Speaker 3: On three one, and she didn't need that rub.
Speaker 1: She is a I can confidently say right now real
Ripley is a future WWE Hall of aimer, Like she
has solidified. Yeah, unless she just does something crazy, she
has already solidified herself. That so she didn't need the
rub from the Undertaker. You guys just want to have
an Undertaker moment.
Speaker 4: And yes, it reminds me of when punked at the
podcast a long time ago with Coldcbana and the plan
was supposed to be him and Triple A Huk WrestleMania
and he said to Triple Ah, Chuck, I don't need
to wrestle you. You need to wrestle me, meaning like
you're not that relevant anymore. And that's how it felt
about opposite the Hogan thing, but the Taker thing too,
It's just like how do we get him on the show.
It's like, I don't know. Next time, just put him
beside his wife in the fucking crowd, you know, like
how the gong go off? That's good, like he did
not like I guess, yeah, he threw his fist up. Cool,
but it's just like I don't know, but yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: For the Undertaker. What they could have done just how
they had. Like you said, everyone in the crowd, they
could have been doing the crowd shots, boom, lights go out,
you hear the gong, lights come back on undertakers in
the crowd. He throws up the face like you could
have just.
Speaker 4: Had Cauli Culkin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people would have. People would steal pop for the Undertaker,
despite what some people say about the reasons Hulk Hogan
got booed, Like, I don't think the Undertaker would have
got the massive booze at that he He would have
still got cheered in, but he didn't need to do
the He didn't need to take Rhea Ripley's moment.
Speaker 3: It may have been cool for her as.
Speaker 1: Someone who's grown up watching wrestling buzz, and that it
wasn't needed.
Speaker 4: And even that stuff asidecause I don't think we're talking
about much even Hogan. Take take the political stuff, take
the race stuff, which is all bad. It's not just
one event, there's several, but it's like he's from He's
at that point where when you and I were watching David,
it's like Buddy Rogers was like way beyond our era.
That's Hogan for a lot of like Hogan is so
far removed for the new people watching, like like haspots,
have you felt the need to go back and be
like I gotta watch a Hulk Hogan match. It just
feels like it's such a and I'll see with you
coming in, it's like you kind of okay, this guy's
like me, not the greatest anymore. I don't need to invest.
But I just feel like, you know, people don't want
to hear that for some of the old timers, but
there is a certain It's like Peel won't watch black
and white films. Like I feel like Hogan's at that
stage where it's like, eh, like that was eighties, I
don't care about that. Here Undertaker is still in that Hey,
he retired only what like five years ago or something
like he was still around with this generation or people upcoming.
He's still doing stuff that was like relevant to the product,
like his documentary Hogan. It's like there's nothing, there's nothing
more to do, like when he's there to promote his beer.
That's the other thing too, it's like he's not there
to be like I don't know the GM of raw.
It's like, oh, and I team a macho man, and
like he has a real American. Just that's the thing
where Undertakers he's still relevant, Hogan's not anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Undertaker is gonna gonna get his pops. He's gonna
get when it comes to Undertaker and politics or whatever.
For me, that is he is one who falls into
separating the art from the artists. And I can do
that with the Undertaker because there's not all that extra stuff.
This just wasn't needed. You could have had him there,
you could have had him in a moment, you could have
had him in a backstage moment with Triple Ah and
that had just been fine, Like, but we didn't need
this teasing a Mania match.
Speaker 2: Like Dave Meltzer when he saw the backstage segment that
he thought it was the remember that was the Rock
in Tripleation, he misremembering segments ago like ten years ago,
and he's like, they're clearly setting up a WrestleMania match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I suppose you can take your lap now.
You For a while, we're saying it was losing the
Netflix and no, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But I finally convinced you might by saying that it
wasn't a last one's standing match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was that. I was like, oh, there's
some wiggle room, but no, it was it's over.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, the match it, Sophie, I liked it.
I wouldn't say it was my least favorite match up theirs.
I'd say my least fair. There's probably the Bad Blood
one just because the ending was like completely botched. But
I definitely like the Summer Slam one and definitely with
the ending of the Thummer Slow one. So this was
just like, uh, it was good. I mean, had everything
you kind of expected it was gonna happen with the
interference and uh you know they they let Live kick
out of the the rip side and stuff, but uh, overall, yeah.
Speaker 4: I almost thought for a second when she kicked out,
I was like, oh my god, there's a chance.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but uh yeah it was what I expected.
But it was still good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So again it went to a semi predictable ending
for me with everything. They got their pops out the
way and we went on. After that, we get a
quick segment with Jackie Redman in the back talking with
the Miz and carrying cross.
Speaker 3: They say we're gonna go after the why six miss.
Speaker 2: I didn't get that at all on my on my stream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, uh, I'm not about this life. I
don't want to do this. Karen krosslick you face, John Cena.
You can take on the White Six. Let's go.
Speaker 4: And they already beat the Wyatt six. That's what I
don't understand with this whole storyline.
Speaker 1: They beat the y I don't understand anything with Karen
crossed the storylines. He is just there, so it makes
no sense. But I guess on a future episode we
are going to get the final testament in the Miz
versus the Wyat six.
Speaker 4: Again, David, were you watching on the American Netflix? We're
using a VPN.
Speaker 1: I was using a VPN because I.
Speaker 4: Won't That's why you didn't.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what the I started off on
the American version and then I switched over to my
other computer to see the different version because I was
seeing through the internet. They're like, oh, we have different stuff.
I'm like, well, I don't want to see stupid commercials
or the same watch this on Netflix because I'm already
watching Netflix. I don't need to see a commercial for
whyou watch Netflix while I'm watching Netflix. So that's when
I switched over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the only backstage segments that got in the
American version was like the quick New Day one with
like the comedian guy and Fluffy Bluffy. Yeah, that one
and the Chad Gable one where he looked for a
luchador and then those are like the only two backstage
segments in the American feed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. After this, we go to jo Versus Drew McIntyre.
Jason Usso has quite the entrance.
Speaker 3: With a little bit of.
Speaker 1: Even though he is wearing blue and fuchave, there was
a lot of green in his entrance, picking up on
foot down.
Speaker 3: Him and Travis.
Speaker 1: He made his intro with Travis Scott, who came out
with his new Hardcore Championship. And I did not know
that you could well, I knew it was legal in California.
I did not know that you could publicly smoke in
the middle of an arena while making your entrance. That
is from everything that I hear. Travis Scott did that
on his own. That was not scripted, but it was
steel and Jay So even said afterwards, he goes, I
didn't partake, I smelled, but I didn't inhale.
Speaker 4: So I think my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Did you guys notice what title is destroyed to create
the new Hardcore Championship. Is it the Red Universe, the
Red Universal title?
Speaker 4: Ugly ugly fruit roll up belt.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's the the joke of why
they picked that one destroyers.
Speaker 1: And it's just smashed with duct tape like it's Yeah,
it is so such a horrible title that again, sometimes
they just like give him famous people titles. It is
what it is, but they come out it's not like
a recognized title.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let Matchdruzenegger's HBO title, which was a modification of
the globe WW title. Right.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, people just get there their famous titles. They
like that recognition, same reason that they give them their
sports teams and everything else.
Speaker 4: Do uh do Tras Scott Logan, Paul and bad bunny
Mania for the Hardcourt Champion? Yeah, and then have I
don't know somebody that's where Taker can referee. He can
be a ref But the best thing of the wee
thing is I like that Drew tweeted out after that
he had a contact high so that's why he lost
the match. I thought this was fine. It was like
a just like a regular raw match. It's not the
biggest deal because they made it like a role he stolen.
But I don't like Drew losing Right now.
Speaker 2: I was listening to the Wrestle Purists stream and I boo,
what's talking about that? He said he couldn't fully report
it since it was mostly off the record types of way.
Said he heard it's a certain either a tribal chief
or a final boss. Looked at this card and said,
why did Jay used to losing? We can't have that.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah, I just yeah, I especially you've sent
h up to be the bloodline hunter. He took down
Jimmy and then he goes for Jay and like that,
I guess you got Sammy right, because I got Sammy.
But like, still just it feels like an inevitable, like
pushing it down the road. But now I also feel
like especially.
Speaker 2: A Roman being like, you're not facing me at Mania.
Speaker 4: That's what I not even Mania, because I remember we
had heard those rumors. I think we discussed on one
of the last episodes I was on. I was like, oh,
Drew and Roman, there's tons of story there. They should
do that. But I said, like that to me has
to be a Summer Slam money bag. That can't be
just like a bad blood that should be a big one,
and to me this felt like, yeah, True's not getting
to Roman anytime soon, and that kind of sucks. And
same thing with the Kevin and Roman thing. It just
feels like they have or the Kevin and Ko, the
Ko and Drew thing, they had such just hatred for Roman,
but Roman's like, ah, yeah, whatever, I'm gonna go do
this now and do this now. I could just that's
the the things that do suck that he is so
kind of isolated. But I thought this match was that
was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't great. I mean it was a if this
was the main event of a regular raw. I could
definitely see this being the main event of a regular raw.
Like it was a good match that he had some
good back and forth. The commentary for this match was
all over the place, but in a fun way. I
love Pat McAfee when he is doing Jay's entrance. I
love the fact that Michael Cole got up there and
then his watch alerted him that he might have fallen
because he got so far into it. So that helps
make these matches. But yeah, it was just it was
a good normal raw main event, but it wasn't. Again
for the big raw spectacular that this is supposed to
be the match just to me didn't live up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like definitely like you said it was.
It was like, well, it's like it was a raw
match on the NIA type of show. But yeah, I'd
say overall it was like.
Speaker 4: That apparently on these big events really show up for.
Speaker 2: Some reason unless they're they're together, and they're.
Speaker 4: Together, you know Five Star Classic, you know, separately.
Speaker 1: The main event. Jay Uso in the semi main event
gets is win and we will see where both these
gentlemen go from here, how far this whole bloodline Hunter
storyline goes now that he just took this loss?
Speaker 4: Was bro bron Breaker was in the crowd, right, I think? Okay, okay,
that's all I had.
Speaker 2: But what was the like, what was the reason for asking?
Speaker 4: I just because I because we're ad about Jay and Braun?
I was like, why was Braun not on this show?
Because I know a lot of you have the problem
with great. I guess he was in the crowd, so
he was there, but just even this week coming up,
maybe he has like an easy squash match or something.
But we there was nothing announced. I know, we got
Seamus and Ludwig for the thousand times.
Speaker 2: I still got Braun versus Jeamis at Wrestlingannia locked in.
Speaker 4: Yeah Braun, oh okay breaker and I'm like, why are
you fucking that? Why? Yeah? Okay, now I'm down for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at this point, what we should have had was
your World heavyweight Champion Gunta live and in person, but
instead what we got was Hulk Cogan and Jimmy Hart
appearing so that he can promote his beer. I have
a lot to say about this, so I will go
last on all that I have to say about this,
just because of how much as a biracial person who
grew up in an African American household, this whose grandfather
is the one who got him into wrestling, because of
his love of these people, I will go last on
my comments and I will let you guys say whatever
you want to say about this segment.
Speaker 4: First, I'll just say it was great for the crowd,
so big shout out to the LA crowd for representing
because I love I said this earlier, but most people
when they start doing the like and I was, I
thought Undertaker and I thought matchra Man, the crowd usually
turns its Yeah. I like those guys even this like
boo no. So I'm happy the crowd didn't take the bait.
I hope w's kind of done with this. Put him
in pre tape stuff, sell the beer on the side, whatever,
even if it sells, well, do your thing. We don't
need I don't have time for Hull Kong right now
in general. But yeah, shout out to l a crowd
for representing I hope it is the last time I
know he's on the Saturday night's main events like promos.
But I just you know, I'm like, I don't need
there also be an angle from this going home. It's
just like, let's take this go. You know what, we
learned a lesson. Let's move on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'll say the thing a lot is people
hate Hogan so much that even and I've looked at it,
if you go to WrestleMania thirty seven, I think it is,
and they're bringing out the whole nWo for the Hall
of Fame at Wrestling in Tampa. So Hogan's hometown and
their whole MWO is out there, and the second Hogan
walks out, they just booing in like crazy. And that's
at wrestling in Tampa and the whole rest of the
NW are there too, but they're just booing Hogan over everybody.
So I feel like, yeah, I don't think hopefully it
doesn't show up or they don't put him in front
of a crowd again or at all on TV really
would be the optim option. But yeah, it was paper.
It did sound like a good idea and an execution
it definitely.
Speaker 4: Wasn't and like next to like raws on Netflix that
got the most like mainstream press like CNN talked about it,
Fox News talked about it, variety like for I share
an article fighting like I don't remember last I saw
a Variety report, Wrestling News, other them like oh seth
Rawlins is gonna be in Captain America, which is knowing
more but like that was that was like the big
takeaway from it.
Speaker 2: So it was it was those were most talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Nikki Pella was almost talked about things.
Speaker 1: All right, So Hulk Coogan deserved every piece of boo
that he got And I am so thankful for the
city of Los Angeles and the into a dome for this.
A lot of people have stated that this is because
of politics and because of his outward support of incoming
President Donald Trump and his appearing at Republican National Convention
and things like that. This had absolutely zero to do
with that. This was an entire building showing that they
do not stand or hate when it comes to politics.
There are a lot of people within WWE that are
right leaning, there are some that are left leaning. Their
politics are all over the board. Again, situation with the Undertaker,
I would say that it is pretty safe to say
that trip H and Stephanie are right leaning just because
of some appearances that they have made in some people
that they have with. That is not the issue. The
issue is this Hulkkin has displayed a history of racism
and a complete lack of empathy, care and understanding. He
had a situation where he was on tape telling his
daughter that he did not want her to date anyone
at that he referred to using a racial slur with
a hard R. When this tape came out and he
was asked to speak to some of his colleagues in WWE,
his response to them was, I am sorry that that
tape leaked. There was no accountability and responsibility for that.
It continues on to win. His son got into an
accident that resulted in the death of some people, and
he spoke to his son and he was recorded on
a line as most Jelsen prisons do, saying that he
did not want his family to be reincarnated as black people.
As a result of their actions, there has been numerous
reports from African American and other wrestlers of different descents,
both black and brown, that Hogan outright refused to do
jobs for them. The famous moniker of that doesn't work
for me. Brother was very prevalent in who he would
put over, including at one point telling Booker t that
the time just wasn't right for you. Mark Henry offered
to take ho Cogan around two different HBCUs, which are
in the United States historically black colleges and universities, take
him around to those to have talks with young African
American males to learn and get perspective, to which Hogan
said he really didn't feel like he needed to. He
knows all that he needs to know. So again, this
is not about politics. This was an entire stadium making
a stand for what they felt was right, and I
absolutely applaud them. If you follow me on Twitter, you know,
for the last six months, once a week I tweet
the exact same thing, and I will continue to tweet
that exact same thing. Hok Hogan is a racist. You
can love him for the work that he put in.
You can cherish the memories you had. I cherish the
memories of me sitting in a room with my grandfather
on Saturday nights and watching WCW. Those are memories that
I will always cherish. I will cherish the fact that
the first pay per view that my grandfather bought us
to watch together was WCW Bash at the Beach. I
got to see the Hogan turn for myself. I will
always cherish those memories. But I will not condone racist acts,
and LA made it very much apparent that neither will they,
and I applaud them for it. That is my soapbox.
Speaker 4: Now tell me how you really feel, are you? Oh boy? Yeah,
let's just hope it's done in the future. But uh no,
I agree with everything. But I hope it's I hope.
I just hope it's not other thing that has to
come up again. But yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I hope that someone higher up doesn't listen to the
Oh well, you know, any heat is good heat, you know,
if they're having a reaction that means something. This is
not one of those occasions. This is not dom Mysterio,
This is not Logan Paul. Like people want to see
Logan Paul get his comeuppins, but it's not for those
same reasons. Yeah, he's kind of a jackass at times,
but it's not that people want to see Dominique get beat.
They wanted to see Rhea Ripley give him her finish,
or they wanted that pop because of his character. This
is not that. This is you have been against us
as a people in a society. We do not want
to see you on our TVs in any way, shape
or form, even if it is you getting put to
a table. I would just rather not see you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, And on that note, we then move
into our final match of the night, the main event,
the match that everyone's been waiting for, the blood feud
of seeing Punk versus seth Rawlins.
Speaker 1: What people were predicting was going to be a match
in last year's WrestleMania, and then people were predicting what
was going to be a match in this year's WrestleMania.
We got it on the raw Netflix debut, and they delivered.
They They put on a match. I mean it's rare
that you will see Rawlins put on a bad match,
see them Punk is the self professed best in the world,
so I expected these two deliver. And I will say
that given everything that I know about Rowlins and how
he feels about seeing Punk, that is the most professional
of professional wrestlers on Earth, that he was able to
do what he did and do the job at the end.
So close to you, Rowlins, you deserve all the accolades
for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love to talk to Seph Rowlins in
a room because also we know he doesn't like Punk.
But I just feel like there's even situations where we're here,
like iues, let's talk about romans, like oh, Jay, so
shouldn't we lose night. It's just like U, there's a
time I guess the politic time to nod. I just
can't believe. I thought, you can go back when we
did the big like the gimmick before the giming, when
we did the Survivor series watchlong and we are on
air when the rawlinsy happened, So we talked about that
and everything, and I always said, like, yeah, that gets
his restume. But like Rowlands has to win that like,
to me, Rawlins has always had to win. Now, granted,
I'm gonna plead the fifth because Triple H, both Rowlands
and Punk were trying to me in k fabe, yeah
I think we're done, and Triple A's like, oh, I
think this is the beginning, Like you totally gave away. Oh okay,
we're gonna get more if for some reason they got
some big deal of Hey, let's say Punk wins the
title and Seth beats him for it. If they do
the trilogy, and I think, to me, Seth doesn't win
the trilogy, that's crazy. That's why I'll wait and see,
because maybe that's the thing is Seth Rawlins goes to
the next two to oh some big decisive wins. I
thought they had great chemistry. That's no surprise they did
in twenty fourteen. They're both more mature now, but like
very good chemistry. I think I might get a four
point five. It didn't get exactly to the fly to be.
I want to rewatch it, but there's just something, maybe
a little more I needed, maybe a little longer. Even
though it was the last matches, the main event, I
think it went like twenty some Mitch, but I don't know.
I just felt like there's a little more kind of
felt like the first Dru and Punk match, where like, okay,
there's a little more and they got there. I don't
think it needs to be in the cell, but uh yeah,
I can't believe if what they do in the future
that Rollins, uh you know, he's looking up at the
lights and I'm I'm just surprised, and I just feel like,
and David, I'll ask you because they'll come back to you,
because I'll talk and then I supposed to talk to
May you can tell me. I don't know if there's
anybody in the history of WW and I could be wrong.
Maybe it's Macho man, but I don't even know if
Monchell carried as much like he did to extent, but
like there's somebody like I don't know if there's anyone
like Rowlins where Punk was Rollins but then he left
once he had enough bad booking or on bad book
just like felt like he is always the guy that's
gonna lose these big matches. He left and now here
we are. I felt like, maybe it's like Brett Harp,
But even Brett Harp multiple times was like the guy
at WrestleMania, right, Like I'm always being like, when is
Seth Like he like he was to be the MVP
of last WrestleMania. He did so much, he carried a lot,
and I just feel like for Mania, there's even Rivers
and Gun there. It's like that that's fine, but we
all know he's gonna lose that. I just don't know
if somebody that has always been at the top but
has never ever really got a chance to be the
guy at all. Like it's just like at Mania when
he cashed in, he was not the main event, just
in the tag match last year because Punk was hurt. Right,
It wasn't that, you know, I hate to do the
rock promo, but it is that like what Seth Rollins
doing at Netflix, Like they didn't put Seth in there
because like, oh we need to have Seth in the
main man. It was like who goes best with Cody?
Right Yeah? And it's just like I'm not saying the
dude should pack up and go to TK and cash in,
but it's just like I feel like he's got to
do something because all these big moments, he's all like
he's gone any big moments, Don't get me wrong, he's
won the Rumble, he'd beat Brock once. But just like
the tippy Top moments and just even stuff like this
where it's just like, even if you're gonna do a trilogy,
and I guess because like Punk's gonnaverse Roman, right, And
that's when I asked you guys in the discord. It's like,
if Punk or Roman does not win the world titled
other than Bam Bam Bigelow versus l T. Taylor, or
am I screwing up Lawrence Taylor? Yeah, okay, Lawrence Taylor,
which was like a special attraction. There's never been a
solo single wrestling match that wasn't a big return, a retirement,
or a title So title matches obviously retirement like you know,
Shawn Michaels, what we thought Taker and Rome was, or
a return where it's like oh, stone cold Kevin Owens, Right,
It's always there's some gimmick. Thet if I was wrong,
it is the fact that Punk and Roman main event
WrestleMania and it's just because well they want to fight,
I would be fucking livid because I'd be like, why
is it? Because I'd understand if you go to Triple A,
say hey, why isn't I'm in the main event. They go, oh, well,
we're gonna have Punk BEATU counther Gunther, We're gonna we're
gonna have a beat Gunther and we're gonna have Roman
win the rumble and we want to do this title
And you go, okay, I get that that's a big
title match. But if Roman and Punk main event, and
I'm fine with that. I wasn't. On last episode when
you guys were talking about it. I was the one
that said you should do Punk over a Punk and
Roman over Rawlins and Punk. But I did not think
it would come to the extent of Rawlins. I thought
they would just kick Rolins down the way, like, oh,
we'll get to another time. The fact that they had
Punk and I'm Punk's in my top three, the fact
that they had Punk go over clean on Rawlins, I'm like,
this man must be livid. And that's why if it's
just Punk and Roman, to me, it makes no sense.
I'm down because the aura is gonna be off the charts,
It's gonna be fantastic. But from a kf A point
of view, how is it the main event? And from
seth Rawlins as a professional, how does he cope with like,
like because you could just make the case me and
like him and Punk, they had great promos. People love
the match, they love the build. Why aren't I the
main event of night want to WrestleMania. So I thought, like,
to me, it's so interesting of the match was great.
They had such good chemistry. I'm like, I do want
to see more of this than I think we'll get it.
But I'm just so curious about the Rawlins Roman Punk
of it all. And I think Rawlins is the first
time ever where there's been someone this loyal that's always
been close to the top and still it's never left.
And like I said, I can't think of who it
would be. Maybe someone can tell me, because there's people,
but I feel like they either leave or unfortunately they
pass away, or they went to w CW. Like there's
all this stuff, and I just it's it's a fascinating
situation and like especially to jump to like let's say
Gunther does Verse Logan Paul WrestleMania, Like I don't think so, right,
but it's just like even gun then Rolland's like it's
just like that's a good match, But I just I
don't know the man I know. I watch this Chris
Vanfleet interview and he says he puts the company a
lot before himself. But I think he's got to stop now,
he's he's got to start. I don't know. And maybe
they don't care about him that much, you know, maybe
they would, I hate to say it, maybe they would say, hey,
go to aa W because and I don't think he will.
He's a lifer. But I just like, maybe, like is
Rawlins if he left WW a big deal. I don't know.
And that's where my last one is. I agree with
what Punk said the press to where I think it's
the sef fricing Rollins as the costumes. Like, I think
there is too much of a character stuff that people
don't believe in the guy Seth Rawlins. He's a great
wrestling character, but people believe in see him Punk. People
believe in the Tribal Chief in the aura, he has
some of the war criminals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, curss Roman main events, it's already gone on thirty
five minutes. Then Seth and All Black runs out, stomps
both them. Main event ends in double DQ's the biggest
game right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what you got. You gotta turm Heel.
But yeah, the matchup, that was great. I think there
is a five star in there. I don't think this
was it, like I said, IM four point five. But
uh yeah, it's been a fascinating couple of months to
watch this all go down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point, I can't think of anyone who
has stayed with a company so long. Even with Macho Man.
He got demoted to ring announcing because Vince felt he
was too old, and then he went to they left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like, fuck this, I'm out of here. I
don't want to be commentator.
Speaker 1: He did his thing. You know, everyone has jumped ship
in some way, somehow, even before AW came back. I
mean people were jumping ship, even aj Styles with TNA
when it was like, look, if you guys are gonna
keep bringing in all these other people, then fine, I'm
gonna go to Roh, I'm gonna go to New Japan.
I'm gonna go test myself somewhere else. Like everyone leaves.
And he said in his interview with Chris Family that
he doesn't feel like he's ever been given the ball.
He's had to work for it, He's had to show
his worth every time. But he's had these people who
have come in and have been given the ball, and yeah,
that can put a chip on your shoulder. I think
that I would love to see these two run this
back again on Night one of WrestleMania. I don't think
it's gonna close out Night two. That's gonna be whoever
the ww champion is at the time, and I'm guessing
that's gonna be Cody versus Sena closing out Night two.
But if this, yeah, for sure headline Night one, I'm
all for it. But I do think that if this
is going to be another Rollins trilogy, Rollins needs the win.
He did not get the win. Oh, in the Cody
trilogy he has he was.
Speaker 4: Zero in three. He didn't know, he didn't get he
didn't get the win. He got zero wins. It's five.
You take a loss. But it's like in the Punk
Drew trilogy, it's like, hey, Punk won the trilogy, right,
which I actually still think Drew should have. In my opinion,
I think Drew should have Punk getting one win would
have been fine, it's still be over. But Rawls didn't
even get a single win on Cody and the other person.
I was gonna say, I've seen people sometimes say like, oh,
well Daniel Brian, but it's like Brian had a whole
Yesselmania built around him. And when they're originally gonna do
Roman in edge at Mania, the rumor was Vince has
like changed his mind and he's like, eh, it's not
like juicy enough what you're doing. He's like, it's good
Daniel in there. They've never had that with Sas Sess
never been the like. So even that point of like
I saw people brought up like Brian in a similar vein,
It's like, No, Brian multiple time was the guy, even
if it was just for a year. Yeah, he was
a guy. Rowlands has never been the guy. You know,
he's been the second guy.
Speaker 1: He had to pitch himself for that triple threat ending
where he beat Brock and Roman, like he had to
be the one to say that that wasn't Vinsus saying
he was the one who's like, this is how we
should do it. Yeah, he's never been the guy. For
the fact that in the Cody's story, it was the
I am the torch bearer for WWE. I'm willing to
take on all comers and here comes Cody. Now again,
you've got this history with Punk and again, you're the
torch bearer for WW. You can't be the torch bearer
and keep getting beat Like, at some point he has
got to solidify that he is the torch bearer.
Speaker 4: While like it was, there was definitely lots of cheers
for Seth Rowlands, but like Punk still gets the much
bigger reactions, So you just make him look like a
geek in my opinion. You know, it's just like I
suppose's backphoto. It's like that's where I feel rollins. It's
just like I don't know what's gonna happen there, but
what about.
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, I liked the match. I definitely have to
rewatch it to fully get my thoughts on. But like
I said, I mean there was a point I was
scared because Punky like jumped all the way over the
top rope, like straight to the floor. I was like, oh,
the same broken leg right, yeah yeah, because it.
Speaker 4: Looked like he was trying to land on his feet.
And then I was like, oh, no, it's over again.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's watched him and doing rehab together.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and uh, like people said that, uh and
they showed it like when Seth got him with that
uh that GTS right to the to the face and
then Punk got him back. Later people were pushing the
photos of he had like a set of like a
bruise on his eye afterwards, big one. But yeah, they
both hit each other hard there, and yeah it was
a good match. I definitely have to rewatch to uh
fully get like a star rating in the in the
moment there, but I liked it, and yeah, definitely a
lot of space to do more obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah I have it at a good four and a
half stars right now.
Speaker 3: Again, I like the ending.
Speaker 1: I like how Punk has joked and said that he's
gonna have to rethink his finisher after taking a GTS himself.
So you know that they had a hard hitting match.
I want them to run it back. But I and
I am a huge, huge seeing Punk fan, don't get
me wrong, and he is one of my absolute favorites,
not just because of his entering work but him as
a whole. It's just one of my absolute favorites. But
in this case, I want Rawlins to if they're going
to do a trilogy, I want Rawlins to win it.
Speaker 4: You know, give him something, Give give this man and
he can.
Speaker 1: Give Punk his Night one main event, but give Rollins
his Star Wars.
Speaker 3: You've earned this because he and I guess definitely.
Speaker 4: Said, oh he has. And I think I've said this
in the path past that I feel like if Punk
gets a world title run, it should be like a
month that to me would be the perfect thing. Seth
that's a Punk beats Gunther, Seth wins it contenders match
and he beats him, and like what a fun like
almost embarrassment way that like Punk didn't get this big
run because Rawlin's ruined it for him, and even if
Roland's cheats, which again I know Prons wants to do,
like you have to cheat to beat Punk, but like
I don't even want that. I want just to beat him.
And the only other thing I've thought before that would
like help Rawlins if Seena doesn't beat Cody. I've always
thought that would be like give him a mulligan from
that whole zero three thing, like let him beat Cody.
But I just I don't know. Like I said, I'm
very curious what happens with him during WrestleMania season because
I just feel like to go from two years in
a row that it feels like you're gonna even if
they didn't main event WrestleMania this year, punk and rolls.
I feel like people was like, oh, that could steal
the show right where who knows, maybe Gunther and Steph will,
maybe they'll maybe they'll have a huge ship on the shoulder, right.
But I don't know how Gunther operates yet, Like I
don't know what type of political type of guy he is.
I don't know if he's a guy.
Speaker 2: That like the main event in WW.
Speaker 4: So Like yeah, but and this is what I mean,
this is what's so weird about the situation. You have
gun there and you let's say that's the reason Gun
there and Rawlins that's a match. I feel like they're
way more invested in protecting gun through than Rawlings, which
is odd because Rawlins has done so much and he's
so established. But I feel like if they're looking, hey,
in the future, who should be a bigger deal with
this probably be gone there, you know. And it's just
I don't know, Like I said, I I don't I
don't think you should do rash with aw but something
needs to be done with them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but overall, that was raw on Netflix's debut.
That's how they ended with the big match at seam Punk.
We don't have any huge surprises to end off the
show or anything like that. It's it's not some big,
massive stay tuned to next week where you'll hear from
x y Z. No one ran out anything like that.
It was just all right. They ran a little bit
over time. They didn't run as far over as we assumed,
but they did. They had been talking about being a
little bit flexible with this Netflix timing, and they gave
us a good I think it went six minutes over time,
but that that's just how it is. No huge bang,
no huge setup. But it was a good match and
a good way to end it for those who were
looking for to more wrestling on Netflix. So I'm excited
to see where they go from here. They're gonna have
the shake up soon, so we'll see who lands on
which brand.
Speaker 4: And also you got the women's IC final. You got
Finn and Damien in a street fight, which I learned
that for some reason. Gwen, my oldestah has Damien three
in our top three. She's like, oh, I like, I
can't remember who it was, Like, I think it was
just Cody seem Punk. She said, Damien Prieze and me
and both Damien Prieze like, so it's worked. But and
then apparently I didn't see this video Piers saying there's
some Adam Pierce video of him saying it's like there's
a Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Today he's a segment like gunn Punk will be
live on Raw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you got that. People speculate that Becky, which
has apparently signed a contract, she might be in the
real segment. People are speculating Hayman might be in the
punk segment. And then also we got pent as well,
which will be it will be tons of fun. I'm
very curious to see how they do that. It was
cool to see that pop behind the scenes on the
crowd for Penta, and I think I'm very happy if
they are not putting with the l w O. Not
every Lucha door has to be with Santos or Ray
maybe in the future, but have him on his own
for a bit. I think I'm looking very forward to
the presentation. I think they're gonna give him a fucking
killer entrance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's gonna get like all the buyer
He's gonna get like how Drew uses like every single fire.
Speaker 4: Cody levels of fire like Cody Pyra, but it's gonna
be the Pento fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then we also had uh n xten New Year's Evil.
Now I know, s Bubbs, you are super uxcited about
this as our resident NXT guy. And just like Raw,
we kick it off with the Man, the Myth, the Legend,
the Rock.
Speaker 2: They switched him to Zoa so he wouldn't be drinking
and driving his Teremona like you did on Raw. But yeah,
he started off the show there to hold those rating.
They kept teasing it until the very end, and clearly
it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they said throughout the night they used the
Rock as a lunch pin of the night to say, hey,
I'm starting off with the rock. Stay tuned, We're gonna
hear from the rock. You remember at the end of this,
you're gonna have the Rock. It was a whole lot
of don't forget about the Rock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think about that? I didn't see it,
So what did you guys say with the overall show?
Because I didn't see that, and I still haven't seen
Russell Kingdom. I've seen Dynasty, so I have some thoughts
in there. But what do you guys thought about New
Year's Eve.
Speaker 2: Overall, I really like the show. I mean, I like
pretty much every episode of any NXC is probably the
show where I'm most I think NXT is because obviously
it's I feel like the rotation of characters is kind
of consistent on NXT. Like on XTC, I don't field
there's that many people who like disappear for a long time,
or even NXT backstage segments will have like thirty five
people in them, so I feel like everyone shows up
at least like every week. So NXC is probably the
show that I'm most interested or invested in like the characters,
so obviously that makes the matches like more more fun
to watch for me since I like all these characters.
But yeah, overall, I thought it was a really good show.
It was I think five matches in two hours, and
it felt like they were all just going pretty much
back to back and getting right into it. And yeah,
the overall show is good. It ended like I wasn't
expecting Trick, Like with this whole triple threat storyline they
were putting in here, I didn't think he was gonna
I thought they were doing that toil, like maybe he
was gonna pin Eddie Thorpe, so they Yeah, so they
went in the be Oba. But now the both titles changed,
I mean all three titles on the even the Lexus King,
even after he got his his win revoked, he won
it back fair and square, even if it was with
the accidental low blow, which is his thing now. But yeah,
that was a good show, and I've been watching some
people who like don't usually watch that. Next year it
started watching with this Netflix stuff, and it seems like
pretty much everyone who watched, even if you were on
the usual viewer, enjoyed it. So I was happy for
that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched it in segments. I didn't watch all
of it live.
Speaker 1: I watched the opening live h with the Rock and
then kicking it off with Roxane Perez versus Julio, which
I thought was an incredible match. I love watching Julie wrestles,
so that was good. And then I saw the fatal
four way Number one Contenders match because I also like
watching Stephanie Vakuur and Coor Jade are two people who
I really like watching as well. So oh yeah, I'm
not putting it over here.
Speaker 4: There's like ten wrestling ladies are the THIRSD Traps And
that's definitely two of them that every day at my timeline.
And that's why I said in the disc or I'm like, man,
when Stephanie and Rea have a match, like all the time,
when you'd see like different Twitter accounts that are very
popular Twitter accounts without wrestling accounts, they just like get
some sort of horny video or something. It's like when
Stefanie and Riego to to to I just like when
Ria has is there a name for the move when
she wraps people around the head and she does like
the slamming like one, they need to get a name
so they market that. But when she does that to
Ria Ripley, the I can just see the view counts
on all these videos happening very like it's gonna be
Twitter is gonna break down.
Speaker 1: There was a video move that's the one that's going
to break Twitter.
Speaker 7: Both there was there was a cliff that went I
think it was like rening Live at at its Yes,
I think like one hundred and thirty thousand likes or
something like that, and it was like yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's true. There's just so many people that
know Rihea Ripley from just like like like on the pot,
like when like after nine, she's a patron in the
discord like Summer Hans. He has never seen a rest
like a lick of wrestling in her life, but she
knows who Rihea Ripley is. Like That's where it's just
like I could make an argument that re Ripley is
like above Cody and Roman.
Speaker 2: I put, I put. When I went to that house show,
I said, Ria got a bigger pop than anyone there.
I'd say that top three for me. I would generally
rick down and say Roman, Ria, and then Cody in
terms of popularity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was gonna say, I forgot to say
in the live Ria thing, I'm not gonna bring up
till happens. But my new agenda is the live face
turn and then the tag team. We need that soon.
I'm excited for that to happen in two years. Continue
the show.
Speaker 3: I watched those two matches. I watched them on mute,
so I didn't hear booker T until.
Speaker 4: Now you set yourself real up.
Speaker 2: Book booker t Is favorite is Lolavice. If she's in
a match, he doesn't care about anyone else.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, the next day, I'm scrolling Twitter, and I
just hear I see all of the commentary on Booker
T just absolutely losing his mind during all the spots
of the Fatal four Away mad Switch. I'm like, okay, So,
because I watched this the next day, I was at
work and so I just had it on my iPad
and it was on mute when I was watching it.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch the Fatal Influence match.
Speaker 1: I've heard you know that it was okay, but it
wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 2: I thought. I thought it was fun. I feel I
saw people saying, like like a shatzi and NXT is
just like better than she's ever been in in main roster,
like I do stuff in NXCAR. Maybe it's just since
it's a tag slash trios type scenario, you're not doing
all the work the whole time. Yeah, but I think
she's been good so far in this group there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Ethan page in The Rock, I saw
their exchange. I unmute it for that because it's the Rock.
I had to hear what was going to be said.
Speaker 4: Why did he do that? Why did he slap his
ass like that? Whatever said it's odd made the right call.
I didn't watch the slap of Penta in a couple
of months, go get on Penta.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the Charlie Dempsey Alexis King match. I
heard how it ended and things like that, didn't watch.
But I did definitely watch the Trick Williams obam Eddie
Thorpe match because I like Trick Williams. I've been loving
his ascension over the last year. Same with Obafemi, so
I really wanted to see what happened with that. I
did not expect them to give the title to Oba already,
but hey, I'm I'm good with that. So they they
had a good match. Those guys put on a hell
of a show. Thorpe is a great wrestler in his
own right, so I'm like, all right.
Speaker 3: Cool with that.
Speaker 1: And then the rock comes out and just goes, uh
full rock, just full, all over the place rock.
Speaker 4: And if you were telling me he's on cocaine in
that segment, I would completely believe you. He was all
over the fucking place. I'm just gonna say, hey, loss.
Speaker 1: Of Zoa's let's just say ship the steel shot of
this in uh, I don't even know what pulling up
and it just it brings me joy, just the level
of this picture of him and so. But other than that, yeah,
the rock was just there. I don't know if on
you guys' string, but on mine it cut off as
he was finishing his.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mine cut off. Well, he was like and then
they cut off.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just I just shared that picture.
Speaker 4: I hang and I can bring it up your for
the video. Verson because he's he's he literally looks like
if you've seen painting.
Speaker 2: Gas well half caremona.
Speaker 4: He's on a different He thinks he's about to wrestle
John seen to wrestle me in twenty nine. Man, now
I'm saving that photo.
Speaker 3: He's not only twenty steps ahead, he is looking twenty
years ahead.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Yeah, that's good stuff. No, the only thing
I had to I was surprised they put it on
Obie this. Uh we were this quick. But yeah, it's
gonna be interesting. Uh yeah, we'll do quick fire ones
so we don't go too long. David, do you have
any what's your quick fire review on a wrestle Kingdom?
Not Dnasty Kingdom because I meant to see that but
I never got round to it, just like I think
I'll It was just because like the reviews just weren't
the greatst for like a lot of the bigger matches.
So that's why I didn't go out of my way.
I still want to, but yeah, what do you think
about the show for Elevator Pitch?
Speaker 1: So overall it it had its its highlights. It it
had some super high moments, and its high moments were
high moments. But then there were other moments that I
could have absolutely done without, like the Tequesta's Shinochicagi match
that was that was great. I was all for it.
Speaker 4: Of course, Keshta.
Speaker 1: You know Naito versus R. Takahashi, they were both gassed
within minutes of that match, and it was a seventeen
minute match, and you can tell that match needed to
end around the eight or nine minute mark, like it
was just it was not there.
Speaker 4: NIO's got to be a tag guy or they just
got to call it, which I think they're starting to
do the tag team stuff with them now. And banged up.
Speaker 1: I like the junior heavyweights, but el desk Berdo in
dokie match and that ending with the referee stoppage, seeing
that live, seeing the way that his elbow bent on
that bounce to the outside was just uh, it was
not goodhe versus Evil. It was just a match. I mean,
it wasn't nothing. Again, it's a ton of how she's
doing his fil farewell tour as well, so it just
it is what it is for me though. The match
of the Knights for that was Zach Saber Junior was
probably in the top to of the matches him versus Shooter,
who it was okay, but it wasn't crushing. I'll put
Zach Saber Junior and Shooter at three and she go
to Kagi at two. But the match of the night
was actually the IWGP women's match and it was only
an eight minute match, eight and a half I think.
Speaker 2: But those about that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they went all out and that was probably
my match of the night. But yeah, so that's that's
it for Russell Kingdom. I woke up super early to
watch it, and I probably if it wasn't for the
fact that it is Russell Kingdom and this has been
a tradition for the last seven years, I would have
watched it the next day. There was nothing that really
was a grabber that made me go I need to
get back to watching New Japan on the regular it
will probably be something where I only watch the three
big shows that they have. Outside of that, I'll just
catch highlights here and there.
Speaker 4: I think because of what we talk about this next,
I think Dynasty did a bare job of making me
want to watch New Japan more than the which also
didn't watching him. But I just feel like from the
reviews of it, and obviously that was an aw k
New Japan crossover show, and that's been the toughest thing, right.
Speaker 2: Is it was supposedly a Japan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Zach sit showed to match the
reason that, like, for the most part, it was good.
Speaker 4: It was just long.
Speaker 1: It was forty plus minutes. That match could have gotten
cut in half because it's.
Speaker 4: Face said it all. That's what you're supposed to do, though,
right Wressell Kingdom main event, you're supposed to They're always
supposed to be the long drawn out like epics.
Speaker 1: It's you know, they always effer that from pacing. It
definitely suffered from pacing. Showdow couldn't figure out whether he
was face or heel in this match. They kept playing
up the fact that his is the legendary referee for
New Japan Red Shoes, but outside of one interaction where
shut Is put in some boots to Zach Saber Junior
and he's just he keeps going and Retch's like, hey,
knock it off, and he just kinda like, hey, get
off me. Other than that, they really had no interaction,
So why hype that up the entire match for them
to have absolutely no interaction?
Speaker 3: It just it fell short.
Speaker 1: Technical wise, wrestling wise, that they did pretty good, but
I don't think shooters in that position to be a
worthy challenger, and Zach Saber Junior style doesn't mesh well
with everybody, No.
Speaker 4: Not at all, which the next night him and Records
she had like a better outing, right, I thought that
was good. I still think, well, I'll save the cannything
last because we'll probably I'll go around top about that.
That also should have went last, I think at the
end of the day. But still like, I think they
did a great job still getting the crowd back. But
Dynasty was tons of fun. I'd have to think about it,
but I think I enjoyed it more than Forbidden Door
from last year. Like for like the crossover shows. I
thought Mina and I always still want to call Asasha.
I thought Mina and Mercedes had tons of good chemistry.
When I liked about it, it was like the bell rang
and then it wasn't like a not a fight like
well the hatech other it was just to me, I
liked it was like someone they're just trying to get
the win quick. It felt like it was like a
time like you guys only got ten minutes, you gotta go.
But it wasn't that. So I just really liked the
style and the quick pace. And I think mon A
I'll talk about her later in some awards thing, but
I think that this back half of the year really
like there are some stumbles all the way, but really
showed Okay, no, she's still the fucking person she was
five years ago. She can have these bangers and very
different style of matches. So that was tons of fun.
Very surprised. The Bucks are tag champs now, so I
don't know what they're doing with that. I thought they
were just there to be like, hey, we used to
be in New Japan, a big deal. But maybe they're
gonna be there for a bit. But overall, I thought
it was a really good show. I can't speak on
the Gauntlet. I didn't know seventy people in that match.
Speaker 2: That was the clip of that. I think I forget
his name, maybe moscadd I think, but it got like, yeah,
it got like that clip went like crazy viral, just
like a sequence of him doing like wild stuff. It
got on Twitter. Was like when I chock was like
one hundred and seventy thousand likes or something like that,
or like two hundred k likes or something like that.
I think someone joked that's like, it's like, well, CML,
we'll see him in three months.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the guys in the Gauntlet match, I know
most of them, and I'm familiar with most of their work,
like has been part of Bullet Club for a while. Yea,
And I remember yeah t Ten, who it looks like
Titan t Ten. He's great. Al Desperado is great. So
like a lot of these, I knew that they were
going to have a good back in fourth match. So
again this this ended up being the better of it.
The only thing that was a disappointment to me really
with this one was the ton of Hashi versus the
Shabbata match.
Speaker 4: I thought, you're gonna throw some Jack's Perry sprays strays
coming up here. I've got another great, great rock photo here.
Speaker 3: It had a five minute time limit and it just
ends and that was just I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Get it, but it was just like but yeah, so
the fact that that one just ended in yet as
far as the Jack Perry match, it put over, Yeah when.
Speaker 4: Was that taken?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 4: I know because he's wearing the he he doesn't have
the beard, so it's.
Speaker 2: Weird, like like Rodd one and Dragonly just posted like
a year later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Jack Berry just he just needs a refresher
because I'm I'm the same thing as the sole thing
where I don't think he's as bad as people say,
but I do understand the scapegoat thing didn't work, and
I think he's talented in the ring, but it was
it wasn't add fit down there. I think it's just
because the bucks were there and like, let's you're a
part of the I guess the new elite. But I
feel like that's but.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know because they didn't have any interactions to
say he's part of the new elite.
Speaker 2: Things.
Speaker 1: He did escapegoat gimmick, but again that there's nothing to
really say that. I think it was a good showing
for the.
Speaker 4: Well he did wear the fucking huge goat mask though,
remember he wore.
Speaker 1: That, and I am happy though that with this uh
New Japan took home a good chunk of the winds.
It was a good showing for them. It's not like
Forbidden Door where it was just like, all right, you guys,
show up just for our people to beat you. This
was a pretty back and forth with who won and
who took what and things like that. You know, they
won the women's match, Athena representing our wage per Sephanie
with CMLL. We'll the night and get with aw Mamo
watsonab with stardom and Momo ends up winning. Athenas suffers
a loss. Now, granted she got hit with a baseball bat,
and that baseball bat had a lot of beIN to
it if you see that hidden uh replay. But you know,
so they they had a good match with with that,
and overall it was a good showing. But we all
know what was the highlight of this pay per view,
and god it it was an absolute banger.
Speaker 4: That's part of the reason I had to try to
get on here. You know, there's been a we've coming
on a year of a gimmick. How many they'll talk
about Kenny Omega at all. I thought for sure too
when I supposed to watch came Omega, He's gonna be like, oh,
like what the fuck about? Like he was not gonna
because I think me and David speaks so highly of him, like, man,
okay's gonna come back washed, and you guys talk.
Speaker 2: About me watching maybe one of the matches that might
be someone's best match of the year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what. I can't believe that. But no,
I I was happy because like that's a big thing
he went through and you never know, but he was
in great shape. The entrance was great. I like the music.
Everything was great. Yeah, for like it's fun dumb thing
to say it is my match of the year, like yeah,
eleven days in, but like that, this is one where
it's like, man, now, like this is the standard for
twenty twenty five for me when I think, Okay, what's
gonna have to match it? And I wasn't sure, And
I was taken completely off guard because I had to
ask David because I've not seen a single Gabe Kid match,
and if I did, he was like, very very early on,
I wouldn't even remember it. So I'd asked what the
styles and I was shocked that even if he's a brawl,
I thought, okay, but I shocked that they win a
full like like blading, like street fights, fighting outside like
I did not think there was gonna be Kenny's first
match back at all. I thought it'd be more of
a classic New Japan thing, and he's done those brawls
like him and Jericho did that Wrestle Kingdom, right, that
was their match where it was a big brawl, But
I didn't think that'd be the first one. So I
kind of liked that. It was like he's coming back,
but he's on the back step because he's been gone
for whistle. Gabe can control the narrative the match, and
he made his style of match, and I thought Gabe
Kid looked like a fucking massive star actors Like this
is like I said to David, they gotta follow the
Kenny Omega formula where next year he should win the
g One, but he should lose the Wrestle Kingdom made
event and make him chase it because that was a
huge thing with Kenny that he kept getting close. It
took him like three years and then Kenny won it,
and then three months later he dropped the title left
to AW, so it felt like such a small portion.
But I think with Gabe Kid, which I think I
have heard his contracts coming up, so New Japan should
do everything to make sure he sticks around. If not,
WDNAW should go after him. Because that felt like I
know people have made the comparisons of and Stone Cold.
I don't know if I can go that high. Those
are both five out of five matches, but it had
that like I was absolutely shocked to hear fans booing Kenny.
That's never happened since he's left. Every time he's come back,
Massive Pop's big reception. So and Kenny is so good
because the second years the booze he plays to it.
You see his face, he starts emon, he starts reacting.
That's why, and that's why I'm not gonna get on
that debate. Because Osprey with winning a lot of Best
Wrestling years, people talk about how bad he is or
like they're all the same. But I'm on that train.
But that's where I've always been a Kenny guy. Because Kenny,
it's he. It sounds cheesy, but he is a storyteller
and there's always stuff he can do, all the physical stuff,
but it's the stuff in his face. It's the stuff.
That's why even there's a match like years ago that
him and Codey had roh for the News and it's
there's so many good dynamics Like that's why one of
my favorite matches all the time is him and Coda
versus the Bucks. Like he does such a good job
taking little moments and making work. That's why, Yeah, him
versus Roman would just be the fucking ultimate of like
talk about it has to be New Japan Kenny, because
even Kenny back on dynam and I was like, there's
something not right here. It's probably because it's like, oh
we got I'm back with Don Colls. I think Tony
kind of it's already flubbed Kenny coming back. It felt
like that return was not as big as it could
have been, like throwing him back with Don Cows. But
that match with Gabe Kid that for me, yeah, it's
it's it's matched year, but not in the way where
it's like, because there's been so little is that it's like,
this is gonna be really tough to talk for me
because I was I was surprised how good it was
and I can't wait to see what outa Gabe kid does.
But I can't wait to see. Hopefully we won't talk
too much about but I just hope that yeah, AW
pivots and Kenny becomes the guy, because I feel like
everyone's feeling that momentum, like, hey, we really like him
to be up there again. And if it's just yeah,
but he's the Connell Classic Champion and that's huge because
he's a workhorse and we love him and he represents
the brand. And when he represents the brand, that's AW
and that's for the that'st for wrestling. I don't need
that from Tony Khan where he gives me a thirty
minute answer of why is Kenny like on collision with
Brian Cage or whatever? You know, I know he's not.
But it's just like there's times where you gotta you
gotta change. You can always make Darby win at any point.
Hell I've said, make him beat Kenny. Make it a
shocking one, two three kid where Kenny goes in a
six month run, he fights Darby and Darby rolls him up.
It's like Jesus, he beat Kenny O Maker for the title.
That's and I don't Thinkkenny and Kelly that's a big moment,
like we'll talk about the world then after. But yeah,
I thought this match was fantastic. I blew my expectations.
I'm glad Kenny he still got it. He still got it,
you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, suppose before I get your thoughts in the match,
I just want to the little little step there because
I've been watching Gabe Kid for years and my first
introduction to him was back in WCPW What Culture Pro Wrestling,
which then became Defiant Pro Wrestling, to which he won
their Internet Championship. And without looking, can either of you
guess the two men that he beat for this championship?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not looking. Are they where? Where the current
wrestle Give me.
Speaker 1: A hint, w W for one, and a couple of places,
but mostly TNA for the other.
Speaker 2: So Joe Hendry is the one, uh other guy? It's
like ww British or maybe not British, but probably British.
Speaker 1: Remember they w CFW spent their bank on bringing in
a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Drew. Did Drew do a stint over there at some point?
Speaker 3: He did?
Speaker 1: But he is not the one. Okay, he beat Cody
and Joe injury jeez, were the Internet Championship that he
then lost to Zach Saber Junior. So around two thousand
is when he joined New Japan, and he went in
as a young Lion. Those who are familiar with New
Japan's way of doing things, the young Lions are basically
the bottom of the bottom. They're the guys that you
see surrounding the rings. They put up the rings, they
take down the rings. They learn the business from the
ground up. They're the ones throwing ice on Kenny Omega
after the match and helping escort him out like they
are doing everything. They are mopping the mats in the
practice arena, all this other stuff. So he went, after
having this run in WCPW and Defiant and even a
little bit of a run in Rev Pro, went to
New Japan under the recommendation of Shebata and started from
the ground up. So that's why it was so important
to him to have that lion's mark on his trunks
when he came out against Kenny Omega. That's why he
was getting such a pop against Kenny because they have
been watching this kid for the last five years rise
up through their system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not just like I feel in this one match.
They did the Soul of the Company story. Then all
of aw has been trying to do for like a year.
Speaker 3: The good Heart and Soul match. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's where sometimes it just like you just
need the two guys. You don't need multi groups trying
to kill Ricky Morton or you know, like throw Darby
down a stairs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This was built on one guy's return and him saying, hey,
I want to come back to New Japan where you
know I made my name versus another guy who goes
you left and I've been making a name. I've been
holding this place up since you left. And that gave
it that good gravitas to the match. And yeah, I'm
I'm glad the match is what it is. Like you said,
I didn't want s Bubbs coming back and looking like
kill Monger going, is this your king? What did you
think not only about the match, but this is your
first real Kenny Omega experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I've seen one other Keny Omega match.
I've seen him versus Moxley full Gear, the the I
don't know death match or no DQ or whatever it's called.
I've seen that one. But yeah, this is definitely I've
seen all this hype about his return really since he
had to leave because of the illness. Yeah, so yeah,
it was definitely exciting to see and yeah, I love
the match. It was awesome. Yeah, yeah, it was definitely it. Yeah,
and I'd say it flew by, like because I don't
know what the final runtime ended up being, but I
remember feeling like we were just getting started and then
they announced like thirty minutes in or whatever, and I
was like, wow, it's already been that time. But yeah,
it was definitely a really exciting match. And yeah, it
was good because since they didn't ounater as any like
it was just special singles match, so when they when
they started going all with these weapons and stuff like that.
But it was really fun and yeah it was that
was a five star match for me. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a little bit light with the rules over
in Japan. This match went thirty one minutes in fifty
five seconds, but yeah, they are definitely they are white
with the rules. His last match before this was against
Ethan Page on Collision in Canada.
Speaker 4: They wrestled in Canada.
Speaker 1: YEP in Montreal, Quebec on December fifth, so of twenty
twenty three, so he went December fifth of twenty twenty three,
all the way up intil January fifth of twenty twenty
five without a match.
Speaker 2: Jeez, I kind of want to people were bringing up
recently because now that now that now that he's okay
and you can laugh about it, and like, I want
to go back and watch that promo the Golden just
watched that happened, because I remember people talking about him
because people say that's like I saw that, that's like
bottom five promo of the Lab. But I mean he
was like on on every drug right there, like.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, since he didn't even remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to the hospital like what literally like
the next day and that's when they told.
Speaker 4: Him I had it. And there's just it's just there's
weird stick because like Ricky Starks is also starting to
be checked out and then he's like, yeah, Jerico, that
one didn't really work. So yeah, I guess it's like
it's it feels like it's like practice. But uh yeah
for that. Yeah, World's inn and an a w thoughts World,
and I'll give it a quick rundown of what had happened.
We had the Canno classic Osprey beat Fletcher Aqua defeated Ricochet,
Rick Cheares this gimmick going on. Uh and then o'conda
beat well Ospry and we got the aforementioned you know,
Ken Omega's back, will he be ready? And then he
wrestles like you know, a banger a week from then.
But obviously they're doing Ocada versus Kenny at all in
I think there's a big debate online about trying to
change up. I think t K is pretty set, but
I hope it will. MGF beat Adam Cole with an
Adam Cole and his buddies beat him up.
Speaker 2: So they did this studied era reunion in Orlando to
like a light crowd reaction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was not, because it's just it's past that
uh Money and Chris Statlander had the rematch, and then
also uh In Marima and thunder Rosa and then you
all said, Moxley win that four witch, which we've talked
about because what is it? Darby's climb out out for ever?
So will be back till July and Dikesha parasovs. The
only thing that I thought this was like a decent show.
This is like a it was like a fine B show.
I thought o'caonda Osprey was great, but they've had many
great matches before, but I thought I was great, yeah
like that, And I thought Monette and Chris Statlander they
didn't get my match the year when we do our
awards here, but that to me was the woman's match
the year for myself. That was my favorite last year.
And I do think that they gotta give Chris a
big win here. I keep pitching it. I want her
and moment just like Hot Potato the title for like
six months, just have like, okay, do a nody Q match,
do a submission match, do a like just do a
bunch of steps.
Speaker 2: Like I've ever done, like a Hot potatoing of the title.
Speaker 4: Other than injury, they did that with the tn T win.
Ray Phoenix accidentally concussed Moxley, and Moxley was just like
have them pinned me? Like like he Moxley knew like undone.
And then right after I think they had I.
Speaker 2: Think that the international title. Yeah, I think they had
beat Ray Phoenix, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it went from Orange to mox like two weeks
and then like mox So other than injury, no, and
I love them because I think one can take a
loss she'll be fine. She has two other titles. Yeah,
you're not gonna yeah, right, you're not gonna see her losing. Like, man,
she sucks now it's like no, like he can just
be like no, Chris has my number. So I was
kind of disappointed there. And then we've hinted throughout before.
I think I was. I don't say on the internet,
but in the world. Even some of it was more
on the camp of like, oh, I'm liking the death
Rider stuff. I understand why some people don't. For me,
it has like very much jumped the Shark. There was
already some rockiness. But for me, once they did try
to kill and express.
Speaker 2: That screenshot of monks looking crazy, like in his hoodie
and he's got them ductive to the he's.
Speaker 4: Looking like Joe Pesci from Home Alone. He's looking like
Harry Like, that's for me where I agree. I can't remember.
There's a trending tweet it was. It was a quote
tweet off that tweet, the tweet you shared about like
them no Pop. And I was in that camp of
when they killed Brian Off and he cut that promo
of like, hey, people are people.
Speaker 2: Like that. Shane McMahon was coming.
Speaker 4: Right, there's a higher power. But I liked the setup
of you know what, this company, the people in here,
they need to step up, like they're not on my
level and I'm going to bring them up. That I
like that as far as there's this veteran that he's
gonna beat you to be better. And even though Orange Cassie,
I like that, Okay, he's being more violent, he's wearing
the different colors, you know, black den him. Now. I
like the idea of I want to challenge the roster
and the soul of aw that's met. But the idea
of like, I want to make everyone better because you know,
if I'm gonna leave this place, it has to be
better than it was. But now it's transformed into mouth,
you know, the poison in the mouth, throwing Darby down.
Speaker 2: The stairs and everything like they're holding Orange is mouth.
Speaker 4: Like that's where I liked the idea of Moxley, uber competitor,
how can I make this place better? And it being
wrong right like Fanos being like I want to make
the world better, let's get rid of half the people,
and the idea of oh yeah, mox And you're trying
to make feel better, but you're really hurting them, but
to really hurting them, to killing them is a different level.
Even then, if FTR is fucking with them, they should
like what the first promo that Moxley cut about this
idea which I liked the store, I thought, all, this
is gonna be great. Should not go to like you
know what, to get back at them, I'm gonna take
out the Rock and Roll Express. No, it should be
I'm gonna beat the shit of cash and dacs. I'm
gonna beat them up and just squash them show. Yeah,
you guys aren't on our level. You guys can talk
this game, but look what you're doing. Not beat up
the seven year old men. And that's where it's gone
to like mustache vincy, and that's what sucks. It's like
the same way with the Elite thing that I liked
the new elitem, Like, Okay, that's here it goes, and
it's the fall up. They fall down. And I do
think they.
Speaker 2: On Kenny Omega's birthday cake.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that was too much. Yeah, And that's where
it's like if they do this to July, I do
think this is going to hurt the company even more
because I think the main stuff and I'm somebody that
I think Edge, I'm not call them Cope. Edge of Moxley,
I think is legitimately gonna be really it's gonna be great.
I think they are gonna have Edge always has great
chemistry at the Shield guys, and I think Moxy and
Edge can have some good stuff. I do think that
is like a pseudo dream match. But I think him
having the title the whole time, I think I'm kind
of hoping that Christian does cash in one way or
another and they, like I said, Darby can win at
any point and it can be a feel good And
my last one is David remembers like when man Kind
won he Run. He won on a fucking random raw
main event, and guess what, It's one of the biggest
moments in raw.
Speaker 3: Because it was everything.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, it was one of the biggest moments because
it was the underdog finally winning. You can do that
with Darby. He could win on a Dynamite. He can
win a Gauntland and say tonight, I want you Omega,
and Omegan be like, yeah, sure, and it's like Darby
at any point you can do that, and you can
have him beat Maxley without the title to me, it's
not even shouldn't even be about the title. It's like,
I don't know, but they've already said Moxley said, you'll
never be world champion, which is weird because like multiple
times Darby has been like inches away from being Moxley,
so it's not like Moxley squashed him.
Speaker 2: But that's my thoughts, like it's weird to do the
thing wanting people to early people who are actually known one.
I was thinking of the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: My last point too, is because I have nothing more
to stay on the World's NAW. If they have Jared
legitimly win the world titled any point, I won't be
done with to AW because I watched I want I
like lots of wrestlers. There's lots of great wrestling. It's
not in that company, but I like, I can no
longer defend Tony con or anything in the.
Speaker 2: No confidence moment.
Speaker 4: That is my no confidence. I'm fine if you get
him a match on Dynamo and he gets close, but
like even MGF and Jared like this is what we're doing.
I like Jarrett, but he should not be getting fifteen
minute promo segments that we are in twenty twenty four
if he's not even aw original. He came from TENA,
he left WWE because he was a producer.
Speaker 2: Like well, I forget about the supposed rumor that mgf's
contract could be up soon when we talk about our
wrestling thing.
Speaker 4: That's what SRS said on the Raw Review, because he
said that the idea is twenty twenty four, the bidding
or whatever. But he said that he thinks he signed
a new contract when he like walked out, and that
was in twenty twenty twenty two, and that is, you know,
gonna be three years. So I don't know. MGF. It's
tough because I think he's just done almost everything. I
think you gotta do him and swerve.
Speaker 2: But I do think he is a young up and
comer like Jarrett before he goes for the.
Speaker 4: Of course yeah yeah, of course yeah, and then maybe after,
but like he is, he is WW bound whenever that
contracts up, MGF, and I think he needs to. There's
nothing left for him to do here. I think there's
whack load. So I know I ranted, but there's a lot.
Just looking at this card, I was like.
Speaker 1: H this was for all. Aw has consistently been great
at pay per views. This was for me a lackluster
pay per view. Yes, oh God of Osprey on there.
They they always do good, but the main event, I mean,
it's just it was what it was for this match.
Mariah Maya, I love her to death, but her and
thunder Rose, it was a disappointment for me, even.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was gonna be better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Tijuana street fight. It was just a disappointment.
So I'm just like it. It is what it is.
It was a pay per view. It's going to further
some storylines. But I agree with you on certain things
like the whole not being able to win a championship thing,
and I don't know where they're going with the Death Riders,
the whole let me beat up the old people who
can't fight back for themselves to galvanize you in order
to want to fight against us. That's a stupid, played
out Vince mcmon trope that needs to go away again.
Speaker 3: If you want to fight.
Speaker 1: FTR, just go fight FTR. Like their whole gimmick, are
guys who like to fight as well, So just be
some guys who like to fight.
Speaker 4: And why Spoksley running away all the time in these
segments too? It's it's I love.
Speaker 2: On collision right now, try and look if anything interesting.
Speaker 4: I heard Hangman, who I love, give a great promo,
And that's another one. I don't hate that one as much,
but the internet fucking hates hang Man and Christopher Daniels.
I do get to extent. I guess I'm just kind
of fine because I guess I like Daniels more than Jared's.
I mean, that's my bias, but that's another one. The
internet is fucking like, how can you do this to
hang Man? Is with Christopher Daniels.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I will say this when it comes to
Mox being champion, though, I want to see the belts again.
Speaker 3: I get that it's in this briefcase.
Speaker 4: That bugs you. See that doesn't bug me, but you
brought that multiple times. That's an hERG for you, Like.
Speaker 1: Aw has all these stupid belts for no reason. Yet
the world title is sitting in a case somewhere. I
don't care about all these other belts, and everyone's got
a belt of some sort. I this is your world championship.
It should be thought of as that price. So yeah,
when and I think if Darby does end up winning
and taking it and getting that big baby face moment.
It should be like Kofe was with Daniel Brian's belt
when they bring back and they're like, we're holding this
is the belt, this signifies I am champion, and celebrate
with it and have that moment. As far as Jared,
I do not want to see him win the championship
at all. I could see a situation where he has
a slow descent back into madness and he starts up.
He starts off on a baby face run and the
more he doesn't get to the title, he gets more
and more desperate, until you have a match with a
lot of run ins, a lot of guitar shots, and
you actually think he's going to come close, and then
he doesn't, and then he rides off into the sunset. Fine,
but he does not need to win.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, I suppose wantson win. I can see that smile.
Speaker 2: I'll say, Jeff jarreted guitar shot does factor into why
one of the matches is on my top ten matches
list is on my list. But we'll get to that.
Speaker 4: Was I supposed to be the top ten matches.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to. I just made.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've got my awards. I've gotten my awards.
Speaker 4: You know, and that thing. That's why I'm excited drop.
Speaker 2: Kick works tend just because I really can't like my
number one is I said it earlier. I think I
think it was maybe off there. I don't actually remember,
but like the my toime, like I have my number
one pick for Match of the Year, but really all
the matches in my top ten are ones like I
could watch any day and say, like this is my
favorite match.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm excited for next year's awards because now
with drop Kicked, I feel like I can do a
better It's the same letter box.
Speaker 2: Unlog everything I watched because I was sort of like
a couple of months I kind of dropped in. I
like block some stuff. But this year I want to
log like every wrestling stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to go back and do the raw
Netflix and Wrestle Dynasty because I went to go do
Dynasty and it wasn't on there and.
Speaker 2: That twenty Yeah okay, I think I think just took
longer because like the weekly shows, they like auto update them,
but I guess that's like a first time show. They
had to probably like manually put it on there. Something
like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so okay, so we'll do awards and then we'll
do just a draft update. We'll quick fire. So how
about we we'll just do well, we will go.
Speaker 2: We can start from I don't know if you guys
wan start from like the top or like the bottom,
like work back, ending with.
Speaker 1: Likes with wrestler and Match of the Year. I mean
we sure you might touch on those later, but we
will save this. Yeah, we can start bottom up. So
let's start with.
Speaker 3: The Chills Award the most quotable line of the year.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you, uh, I have a top
I only wrote down four, but three of them have
a theme.
Speaker 4: No, just in case in honor of the category.
Speaker 3: Do we want to.
Speaker 1: Each of us give our top ones or do we
want to go round robin everyone gives one until we
run out. I say we each give all of ours
and then move on.
Speaker 4: I agree, because then we won't be here for another hour.
Speaker 1: I will go first, my my top one, the one
that loves rent free.
Speaker 3: In my head is I prayed for this and it happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can spoil because I only have two. That
is my number one for the year. I thought.
Speaker 2: That that line at number two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that line is so cold. I remember Drew
dropped that and promo It's like, fuck, that's so because like,
you know, he came in he was acting all sad,
but you know he wasn't sad. But that for me,
that's that's my number one. That line is man so good.
Whoever gave that to him or he brought up so.
Speaker 1: Okay, show along those lines and keeping with the same theme. Uh,
my next one is chosen one? Who chose you? Who?
Speaker 3: What's his name? Hauh say it?
Speaker 1: That moment that call out, I was like, oh, we're we're.
Speaker 3: Going for it.
Speaker 1: We are are are really doing it. My number three
is you never drink, you never do drugs. You spend
all your time to get rehab.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, they're all punk or round punk or anything
like that, and know that that's a good one.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So those were my top three and then my number
four was just simply the Rock introducing the term Cody
cry babies because that was a staple for about a
good two solid weeks in the wrestling community. Was the
do you cry babies?
Speaker 4: I yeah, I have just to wrap it all up.
I have it in another category. It's just I know
it's not in the ring, so it's just multiple rock
social media rans like a.
Speaker 2: Video where they're just like like multiple of something or
like this's in general as like.
Speaker 4: And that's what I had, those drew lines and this
the that and just kind of in general and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I guess, so I'll start with number five. I
have restored the feelings slashed where the best wrestles slashed,
the soul of a w and like making fun of it.
Way at number four, I have I just choked them
a bit. From the Area L interview one three, also
from the same interview, the word betrayed was used for
him going to raw and the two as I prayed
for this and it happens. And one is and I
quote where the mono runstrong dot dot dot just the
shore as the rock is covered in chills already.
Speaker 4: Just as sure as a rock is covered in chills already.
I don't know the full thing, but I have some
of it. So yeah, and you know what, shout out
because now Kirkling, he's taking he's using it. It's what
the fuck about it? What about it? I use that to.
Speaker 2: Put on the I feel like we're the only one
to use it.
Speaker 4: Starts because when I saw kirklam dropped, like, oh he
saved it when I dropped it, and now he's strong
because it starts his it's his whole a tune like
what about? What the fuck about it? Like it's so good.
I cannot wait for that guy. I can't want to
wait until he's in fucking aw jail and inn w W.
It's like, let him be free for a bit.
Speaker 1: So let's see what's our next.
Speaker 2: Keett non wrestling moment, moment that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Entering all right.
Speaker 3: So for me, number five I have is punk is vindicated.
Speaker 1: So and that is all because aw decided to put
out that footage that basically was like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he was telling the truth.
Speaker 2: That moment might be on another one of my awards.
Speaker 3: It is for me as well. That's gonna come back.
Speaker 1: Number four is the Rustlemania press conference that got a
lot of it and a lot of people's eyes on there.
Number three Joe Hendry taking over the Internet. Joe Hendry
became a household people news anchors were quoting about Joe
Hendry and things like that. So number two is the
Rock's Twitter presence. So all the all those promos from before.
Everything from the Rock on Twitter has just been amazing,
Like these were WW centered pros, Like this is building
a match and he's using the F word, he's calling
people bitches, he's going left and.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's just like he was going like twenty
five minutes on Instagram like every day.
Speaker 4: It was we can do that now.
Speaker 1: And my number one, uh non restling moment slash moment
that didn't happen in the ring is Hangman the Arsonist.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good one. I didn't have that I like.
Speaker 1: And then the fact that TNT went and used that
as their Yu'll log for Christmas, that was so good.
Speaker 4: I put it on a little bit. I just you
talking about the Rock and the twenty five mint pros now,
I just instantly think, like, this is him every day again.
But no, I'm still glad you guys aren't prepared because
the Hangman one, absolutely, Yeah, that's that's the Toper one.
The only two I had that was I agree with
you all the Rock stuff. And then for me, just
because it was a full circle moment, the whole c
mpunk Ri interview because I was there twenty fourteen, I
was working at Target. I remember getting that notification like
cocoa banasy and punk like holy fuck. I remember listening
to it once I went home, and then me and
Emily listened to it again, and then they did the
full week after and that was such a huge That's
why I've always said Bunk and Roman is the match
that was a shift in wrestling culture at that time,
and that was that was really the start of like
fuck w Dow, Like like I watched you for many years,
but that I think was the start of people really
starting to sour on that product, because that was the
you always hear stuff, but this was the first time
it was coming from someone that had just worked there. Hey,
it is all the shit that's going on and the
stuff that you think is happening that they say, no,
it's not happening. No, it's happening, and that's where it's
like okay, And that was such a big deal. So
I felt like this was like the Force Awakened sequel
to that interview, and it was about aw It was
about WW as well, but it was about it was
tons of stuff. There's the thing where.
Speaker 2: Some wild stuff in that, like the Ben Lost stuff
is the Ben Lost stuff.
Speaker 4: It's like I remember be like fuck you gotta you
can't be talking and stuff like that, you know, and
it's just like it's crazy and him talking about like
and yeah, I agree, there's some stuff that he sugarcoats
now because of a WWE, but of course he's gonna
do that, you know. And that's where I hope when
they have a second match. On the Chris van Vleet episode,
I love that ron And said like, oh you know,
Punk said like I worked for the last guy and
he loved you and I didn't like him. And he's
like you didn't like the guy that's running things now either,
And I'm mad Ronins didn't bring up on TV because
like that is the thing where like you listen that
twenty fourteen interview, there's it's so weird, and that's where
I do agree. Like he says that he hates Vince.
You listen that podcast, it is more Triple H. Like
fuck Triple H centric that's the bigger issue. Triple H
is the one that found out he was getting married
on a Tuesday and faxed him as firing papers on
the like Wednesday, like it's Triple H code. So that's
why this interview is I was such a huge moment
and they were talking about everything. He talked about aw
as much as he could, and there's tons of stuff.
So yeah, that was my Number one was that interview.
It just felt like a closing a loop finally.
Speaker 2: So yeah, mine is I took it like very literally,
so it's like, well, it is non wrestling moments that
didn't happen in a ring, but it's not stuff like
the interview or stuff like that, like every much took it.
So at number five, I had Joe Hendry's NXT debut,
and I think that one I especially remember it because
I was literally there in like the row right next
to the to the entry ramp at NXT, and it's
like probably the like the loudest, one of the loudest
things I've ever heard was that pot for when he
when he showed up there. Number four I have like
all the lips seducing dom segments like leading up to stuff,
like I especially remember like the ones where they're like
she's teaching how to stretch Memore's match and like the
jacket won and yeah there was some great Yeah, so
just all those leading up to SummerSlam. Three, I have
the Wyatt six reveal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good one. That's really good.
Speaker 1: That's super good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Two I have Hangman burning down Swerve's house, and
number one, I have Rock and Cody in Chicago.
Speaker 4: That's a great one too. Yeah, that whole Mama Roads
and you know the stuff that came out after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're catching out all right.
Speaker 4: Rock just fully ready behind the bus.
Speaker 2: There's also that clip, like the behind the clip where
they're trying to get him to stop because the show's
already over.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: Cold and bladed, perfect, like with it raining outside and
like in the background. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's a top top ten like backstage fights segment,
like it's yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: Whole thing leading up to like people are on the
stuff outside of like when he's throwing the trash can
at Cody and.
Speaker 3: Cody's brumping all around making his way to the door, and.
Speaker 1: It is just incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, massacred.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, let's see, so we have the you
think your special award for the Feud of the Year. Now,
if you're a fan of WrestleMania seventeen, you will definitely
get that reference for the name of the award, but
so Feud of the Year for feet of the year
I had see him Punk and Drew McIntyre. I mean,
they were just incredible. Yeah, I quoted it so much
in those lines of the year. The match itself was
a top five possibly even top three match of the year.
Speaker 3: True's Twitter game is just immaculate.
Speaker 1: So yeah, everything about them, Punk costing him at Russell Mainia,
you know, their entire feud after that, even the fact
that at one point it's all about a bracelet, they
still were making gold out of this thing of DM
hunk everything. I just like, I loved all of their feeds.
So Punk and Drew got it for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it was a tie. I got Punk
and Drew forever. Reason you said, I think that's one
of the rare feuds that Punk getting hurt actually did help.
But I think right near the tail end it was like, okay,
we're going a little too long, but I think and
it all pretty much at the right amount of time,
like maybe a month earlier. But of course they want
to do hell and sell bad Blood, so that's fine.
But uh yeah that and then I have a tie
with Hangman and Swerve Hangmen Swarf, I absolutely loved. I
love that they did anytime you can do the double
turn the bread and Austin. This was more in promos,
but the fact that Swerve invades Hangman's house, now some
of this does trickle over to twenty twenty three, like
the Foundation, but for hangmen coming back, and it's like
the Kevin Owens thing being completely justified. Like this man
broke in my home. He went in my child's bedroom,
and you're cheering this fucking guy like fuck all, you
like it's it's perfect. And the fact that he he's
just become crazier and crazier. You had the whatever no
non sanctioned match and that was just brutal and stuff
going on glass and he did whatever the fucking needle was.
And it's just little stuff like when Hangman he wins
the match and he goes back, but he's like he
looks back at Swerve and he's only mat He's like
concerned and he like goes to check but then he
like snaps back and he's mad again, and you're like,
what's going through his head? So yeah, that's uh that
those are the two for me. But Swerve Hangman anytime,
like just this past time and when Ricochet did the
fake anytime, I got swerve and hangman, that is just
it's money. It's so funny because I saw the first match.
Speaker 2: The match he does, Yeah, it was for a second
he has like the like the one that I just
do space and then he gets angry again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why I love it's like stuff And
that's right. No, man, one day we're gonna get that
tag team. I can't wait for the can they trust
each other? But and it's so funny because I saw
when when I was at Wrestle Dreaming twenty three, Like
I saw their first match and I had no idea
and it was a great match, but no idea it
was gonna be come And so yeah, it has to
be a tie for me those two personal ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I had Drew versus Punk as my feud
of the year, And yeah, I agree with all the
stuff you guys have said, just like the whole build
to it, and like how they're able to make it
last so long, even with the injury and just the
whole promos and the matches and ending with the hell
and a Stall match was just great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always said that my issue with Helena Sella's
it got overused. It should be the ender of big
blood feuds, and this was the perfect type of match
to end this in and they put on a hell
of a match to end it. So yeah, that was great.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Next up is most improved wrestler. He may take some
months bridge with this s bove, but I'm going to go, uh,
Tiffany Stretton.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, she.
Speaker 1: You know, when she first came on the scene, she
had the daddy's gammick, and then she's been slowly improving.
She improved a lot in NXT, but this last year
her on the main roster, not just the winning money
in the Bang, but a lot of her other matches.
She has been showing her athleticism, she's been putting on
on a big stage, and she has not been letting
down when given the opportunity. So I'm gonna have to
say Tiffany Stretton is my most improved because she has
just it's been leaps and bounds for her.
Speaker 4: All right. Well, I got a female as well, sometimes blonde,
but not always. I'm going with Chris Statlander because she's
somebody before this year, No, I wouldn stay I didn't
care about her, but okay, good solid worker like her,
whole TBS Championship run. I thought was fine, but it's
not really that memorable other than she beat Jay Cargill
and that was it. But between the will Ningale match,
she had that street fight the two Monet ones. Now
I look at her and I think it's even it's
character and the way she presents herself. I do think
they screwed up by turning her face. I would love
to see in a six month hey, what if we
like have her run as a monster. Because after that
street fight, I was like, man, I want to see
her go, And it sucks that they did that, So
I think that is really gonna hurt her potential from growing.
But the Monet matching, I thought I was hoping that
that could be her kind of muse in aaw and
I think it will be. So yeah, I think it's
just that she was good before. But there's something this
year where there's multiple matches where I was like, Okay,
this could be the match of the night. Like I said,
for me, Money and her had the women's match year
last year, So yeah, I was statler. Now I'm actively
when they announced her for something, I'm excited her. Even
the match she had this week obviously we're in twenty
twenty five, but her Tony and Will that was another
fun one as well. That was a good three ways.
So she's constantly putting out like a like a three
point seventy five to four quality and like the big
I'm not saying some random collision against like the local worker,
but like when some pay per view she's delivering. So uh, yeah, no,
I got Christatlander are most improved nice.
Speaker 1: I can definitely see that she's been putting on in
you that does money matches have been just amazing, really
good show.
Speaker 4: Off for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me. I also have a woman on
this list, and so no, it is not my goat
Damien Priest, but it's actually Nia Jackson is my most
improved Okay, because I think I've enjoyed like every I
think I've enjoyed every single match that Nia Jackson is
said this year, I think I can say that, and
I think she's had some really great ones, Like I
think I liked the whole mini feud with Becky at
the start of this year. I think it was done.
I really like people post that clip of her beating
Becky on the Day one and the guys in the
front Row are just so mad. They're just like yelling
and they do the whole breaking the nose spot. But
like with the Blood Castle and people online were so
mad at that. But uh yeah, I'm picking Nia Jackson
my most improved because I just like all her matches
of someone who like like people didn't really care. I
think a lot of people see it that, not all,
not everyone definitely, but I think people have definitely like
during Moore or Less year.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, I agree, No, definitely being improvement from
that original run, which was very tough to wash as
somebody that was there.
Speaker 1: So she's she's had a lot of improvements. I don't
know if I could rock with most improvement, uh, but
that will come around a little bit later. My reasonings.
Speaker 3: So ill for this one.
Speaker 1: We have three to five picks ranked with number one
being the winner, so Breakout Star. My number three is
Kyle Fleck. I liked him as a tag team, but
he has really been getting his shine outside of the
United Empire this solo run. As much as I hate
Don Kallas, I've liked the work that Kyle Fletcher has
been doing. He has not only his ring work, but
his character work has been just amazing. Number two is
Jacob fasu Uh not only his wild in the ring work,
but I mean the guy just makes me laugh with
the whole I Love You solo and just the only
man I know who can stand for a ten minute
solo promo and keep the same pose the entire time
with the menacing face and everything else. Just everything about Jacobazu,
like my man is here for the business and he's
he's putting on. He is the best part of the
New bloodline and I'm all for it. And my number
one breakout star is Obafemi, who has it's just been
absolutely dominating. Like I can't remember a time that I've
tuned into NXT or someone has said, hey, you need
to watch this match, and Obathimmy has not been putting on.
So he is my absolute breakout star this year.
Speaker 4: That's good. I'm not watching NXT as much just agree
with that. But I feel like just watching from the outside,
I'd probably agree with that this was a tough one.
I had multiple people, so it's gonna probably sound weird
when I say this, but I'm saying Brown Breaker. The
reason I'm saying this is because like he was like
a bigger deal when he came in the NXT champions stuff.
But I feel like he's becoming like he was over,
but I feel like it's like now he's over over,
you know, like with the where are my dogs barking
at all? That he's arrested. That's a fucking tweener, which
is super not that common nowadays in a WWE world.
Other companies, sure, but just to be like he's listened
is like he can flow either way. That shows like
how popular. And I remember we it was one of
the few first few episodes we did when he was starting.
I was like, this guy can't stay a heel for
this long because the whole the dogs gimmick and the
other thing is like every time he's in like a
big title match or pay per view, there's always some
crazy thing he does and it's like it's being shared
on Twitter, whether it's him moving the ring or it's
like he spears someone out of camera. Like I feel
like that's why I mean that, Sure, it's kind of
like the Christ and I think, sure he was on
a level last year, but I feel like that's why
he's on a different level. And even then I almost
even thought about putting Jay usso again because last year
was his breakout year, but now it feels like he
just keeps getting bigger and bigger, which is kind of crazy.
But that's where I picked Braun just because I feel
like now he he really leveled up and he went
into a guy that like, he's very popular and I
can see in the main event scene. I don't know
tomorrow he could he could lose his IC title and
win the Rumble and I wouldn't blink an eye if
they're like, yeah, it's Gun there and Braun at WrestleMania,
I wouldn't think all that, Like that doesn't make sense, Like, no,
I could. I could see people be more hyped for
that than him and the Gun there and Seth. You know,
so I think Braun has just like gone a lot
more people so like on his side.
Speaker 2: So okay, Yeah, I do have five picks, and some
of them are stuff you guys have mentioned. So okay,
So number five of the Jacob Fatu for the same
reasons you you mentioned. Yeah, just like even though he
hasn't actually yeah, just the I Love You solo and
like people chant that with the with one of his
moves he does the running hip attack. He charges it
up with a with and I Love You solo, and yeah,
he's just like a great talker and just a great
character and just I'm sure he could probably be number
one and for next year's awards in terms of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think next year he's like primed just because
he was like in the background a bit too much
music because I thought about it, but it's like I
still can't even name like one great soul matches match.
Yeah right where this year, I feel like he's gonna
have a lot of bangers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, number four I have Chelsea Green. I feel
like that is a year for her from even just
having like a great performance in The Rumble, just like
as a character, it's obviously being in the money in
the bank match and like all the taking the bump
off the ladder, through through the tables and obviously winning
the Women's US Championship and just being like just a
heel in all of this and just being so popular
and just like everyone says about Chelseaingan, it's the most
like maximized your minutes wrestler out.
Speaker 4: There consistently talked about throughout the whole year, which is
hard in a role for her because she doesn't get
that much screen time. Yeah, she's not like like even
Jacob fought too. He's with the blood line all the time, right,
like the Chelsea greenwork. She'll miss a week or a couple,
you know, she'll be just Bringside with Piper. But no,
that's a good one as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then Number three, I've swerved Strickland like won the aw Championship,
main evented all in like just a big year, had
well main event all out too.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I guess, yeah, he did the double. Yeah,
I think I think the only reason it's funny because
I completely agree with you, it's just because like after
all Out, he just like disappeared for a while, and
even then he's just been doing like bowling Ricochet promo.
Speaker 2: People I didn't have on my lift because they were
not a breakout start of the whole year like Bronson Reid,
Like he only he got like the Mega Push only
in like the last couple of months before like the
on Raw, like a few months before he was losing
to like Tazala. Literally that's one of his he's lost
the on Raw. Yeah, but he would have been one
of my options. But yeah, I didn't last too long.
Number two, I have Osprey as a breakout like literally
going from like like this guy is like known for
having good matches to being like face of the company
levels in like a year.
Speaker 4: I'd say it's like the people being like should he
beat Swerved like and he was there for like a
month and I was like.
Speaker 2: I don't like on his first title defense, and like
people write in an essay on why it should happen.
Speaker 1: See as someone who has consistently watched Osprey since twenty seventeen,
That's why I don't even think about him for a
breakout star, because he's been in my top three wrestlers
since he moved up to a heavyweight when he was
as the champion in Japan beating Gokata and you know,
having bangor matches with Kenny Omega. Like I've been watching
his ascension through that. I've watched his PWG stuff, his WCPW,
his rev pro So for me, like, I never would
even consider that from someone who hasn't watched him, So
for you, this is your first introduction. Yeah, that that
makes a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 4: And I suppose is alone. I've seen that before. Repeel
didn't watch that stuff. It was like, okay, a lot
of hype because there's a chance he could have came
in like which I'll have about controversial pick. I think
Money when she came in, had that hype in the
first two months was not good. And that's it was like, okay,
where I think Ospar was the office where he came
in and like almost doubled the oh yeah, this guy's
gonna be great, and I was like, yeah, okay, great
matches and I was like, oh no, he should be.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, he only had one match that says completely overrated,
so you know, for most of the year there, but
uh yeah, and number one, I have the man himself
main event Jayu. So yeah, I mean just like that
backlash France entrance with like the whole crowd with the lights,
like this is just his year from being a guy
like he was just like a tag team guy like
literally forever to be in like one of the top
stars is yeah, I had to put him number one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you're You're probably right. I probably should just
go with Ja because it's tough because that same thing
of like some of his assents started at the end
of last year, so he started like to give him
that but it's just like, yeah, you're right. I kind
of forget the timeline of he didn't really break away
and they did the USO stare down and everything like that.
So now Jays they got like, I don't care, they
gotta strap him up, like they gotta give him world title.
Like it's just like he's so over and shot.
Speaker 1: He's had the entrance for a while, but I think
this is the first year he started the starting from
the back, clapping it up. Have everyone fallen through, and
that is I mean, that's one hell of an entrances.
Speaker 2: And winning the icy title too, winning a singles title
and like a great match against Ron Breaker. Two. Yeah,
I remember one.
Speaker 4: Oh what oh, what are we gonna have to do?
Is I gotta rapid fire these ones because I gotta
go feed some twins now because we're at two and
a half hour something. I gotta'll rap find my awards
and then I'll dip and then I'll hear what the
draft is. I'm excited because I can't wait to hear
my Tiffany Stratton points. But yeah, so I apologize, so
best free agent, Like I said, this is my controversial
one because I suppose was right. We couldn't pick Austrey
because he was signed the year before, so didn't I
did pick Monet. The reason I did is just because
things there's multiple matches. Whether it's in I know it's
not an ativy, but other places where she had great matches.
Places obviously in aw with stat Lander and with Willow
great match, and then stuff like Stephanie Vakir, Like I
know that became such a controversial thing with where she
going stuff like that, but I do like it might
be a conspiracy theory. I legituinely believe people saw that.
I was like, we got to get her. So I
feel that, like at the signings, I thought about Okay
who said multiple great matches, promos in ring segments not great.
I can give you that. That's where it's very tough
and it's weird because like I thought she could. She's
been a much better promo in the past. So I
don't know what happened, but I for me, that's why
I think for aw Ocatta, I didn't give it there.
And then there's some in WWE that I could have.
But I just thought there's multiple instances where and I
think it's more the back half year she's recovered so
much from the Britbreaker Monet like match that was tough,
but I think it's more the start and the end.
The middle. There's some iffy stuff, but that's Stephanie match,
Like I didn't see much of Stephanie, and yeah, she
made her a star and I think she elevated Christatlane
like she's doing what she used to do. So I
put mon a worst disappointing match. I did just go
with thes. I say it's disappointing, not worse, but I
just thought it was gonna be more story driven and
we did just get the kicks the Devil's mass Men
word dumbest booking decision. This might be controversial too because
it led to great stuff. So I'm happy I'm here
to say it, but it is Rock taking Cody's spot.
Speaker 2: Now listen.
Speaker 4: It obviously led to a fantastic payoff, but if you
just look at it as an as a pure idea,
strictly awful and what are you thinking, There's so many
other ways you could have tried to do that, even
just like having Cody win the Rumble, because I think
that was triple h being a fed soldier, like I'm
gonna make him win the rumble. Fuck these guys, So
I'm glad you guys agreed. Taking the Year. I really
had no one, so I just took Espo's word and
gave it to Phraxi him. Even though I've seen just
I just see Twitter clips, I'm like, yeah, they look great.
Show the Year. I gave it a Slamdia forty nine
two just because offly the Cody Roman thing, big stuff there.
Match year. I'll listen to suhit on later Osprey and Brian.
The reason is I thought it lived up to what
I want from him, and it's an aspray match that
has emotion, that moment of him taking the thing off
and Danie Ryank getting up and they did the whole
injury thing. Obviously, later on the Tiger driver thing kind
of became a joke, but in the moment I thought
it was great should he use it? So I think
it did level up. But I also had a tough
time not doing Punk and McIntyre cell there, so it's
like a one A one B for me.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then finally I have rest of the Year I
had to give to my boy Cody Rhoades. I had
a preference that Osprey for me, was the best in
the ring. Hangman was the best like promo character, but
the total package. It's Cody Rhodes year, and I had
to give it to my boy, and I think he
did a fantastic job being the true quarterback. I know
he's sitting in the crowd of fucking raw Netflix, but
I think he's he's the guy.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I could, I could see all of those.
We're pretty close on most of this.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm excited to listen. So yeah, I was happy
to jump in here and do this. I'll be back
for the next one. But yeah, before these kids lose
it and I'm excited here the draft, I'll catch you guys,
right Yah.
Speaker 1: All right, So I guess I will go with my
best free agent signing, and you know what, I'm going
to follow his route. I'm going to rapid fire all
of mine until we get to the best match and
the best year. So I'll do I'll rapid fire everything
except for those last two. Uh, then you'll wrap it
fire yours and then we'll actually go in detail for
match of the year and rest of the year. So
best free agent signing, I had four, I had money,
I had Julia Jade car deal because Jade had been
on a roll up until she got injured from her
debut in the Royal World Rumble up until now. And
then I also I put Stephanie Vaku on there because
she's been doing good in an x T. But I
call her one of the best free agent signings because
that match with Monette and the way that they just
stole her out of that like that, that is just
and I mean she's been putting on there.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's like in sports, when they do
a move so good, they have to invent a rule
around it. That's what happened with them taking her.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is thinking the worst disappointing match Jay and
Jimmy's on there, But I also have two different Nie
Jackson matches. That's why I said, So I have Nie
Jacks versus Jade. The reason that it was disappointing is
because yes, the DQ so she doesn't she loses her
undefeated shriek in such a piss poor manner. And then
Nia Jackson versus Bailey and that's the Hurricane Rono match
where she goes with her power by herself. Yes, so
that is my reason behind that the Devil's mass Men
Award for the worst slash dumbest booking decision. Rock Stills
Cody Spott is number one. Jericho winning the rh Championship
is number two. I'm tired of Jericho in these prominent positions.
And number three worst slash dumbest booking decision was airing
the CM Punk footage that did nothing for AW whatsoever
but legitimately make them look bad and make them not
look as credible. Tag Team of the Year is Fhraxium.
No One's been as consistent as them all year. From
the matches I've seen and from the clips I've seen,
they've been just great show pay per view slash p
lee of the Year. I went back and forth between
AW Dynasty and WrestleMania nighte two, but I'm just going
to have to give it to WrestleMania Night two for
multiple reasons. The finishing the story, the moment with Seth
Rollands hobbling out and doing his best there the match
at the beginning, Drew's match with see Him Punk and
everything like that was a moment. Drew tweeting in the
middle of the match, that was a moment so that
I had to just give it to WrestleMania night too
for the show of the year. All right, so rapid
fire yours all the way up until those last two.
Speaker 2: Okay, So for free agents, I have number four Julia
uh just speaks for itself. Number three I've Shotlan Benjamin.
I think like took a guy who wasn't doing anything
and put him into a prominent ficion he still got
it like for sure to eat them page like you
guys said before, like from doing nothing so like NXT
Champion segment with see him punk the rock like and
number one, I do have Stephanie with Care for the
same reasons you listen, and I think she's got I
like Julia a lot, like I really like Julia. I
think Stephanie Viccia is a huge future. Yeah for or
you're gonna say something, Nope, go ahead, okay, worst slash
most disappointing match for I have Mercedes mon A versus
Britt Baker all in. Number three, I have an absolute
dynamite classic, which is j White versus Daddy Ass Billy
Gun and a banger that ended but with d Q
he didn't even beat Billy Gun there. Number two I
have Jimmy u So versus jayu So at Wrestlingia. And
Number one I have Cody Rhodes versus Soulisicoa at SummerSlam
for dragging this out so long and it wasn't good
and it was just forgettable and they had a better
match like a month later. The steel Cage match is
like really good and the Summer Slim match was not good. Yeah,
okay for a double masked Man Award for worst slash
Thomas Bucky decision. Number one, I have the gable Otis
feud that just like never continued until like nine months later,
like they had a hot feud and then just did
nothing with it. Number four statlander face turn slash. Where
did Stokely go? Where is he? No one knows? Number
three I have the Elite Takeover aw as a storyline.
I could have put the the Tony Kahan pile Driver,
but that could have been in Best Moments of the
Year too, but it wasn't a ring so I couldn't
put it there. Number two i've aw releasing the CM
punk footage. And number one I have but not at
Wrestlingia as I said before. Yeah, Tag Team of the
Year Praxium. Yeah, just same reasons, just completely consistent like
haven't had a single bad match the entire year. And yeah,
for my Show of the Year, I went with WRESTLINGIA
forty in general, but also it's more specifically n too,
like you said, Yeah, Seth and Drew is just like
a fantastic match to show. So I had Eo versus Bailey.
Very underrated match there, I feel, And yeah, the main
event also and the whole finishing the story thing is
just great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So those are great ones.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: So four Match of the Year, and what is the
surprise to No One? I am going with Osprey versus
Brian Danielson, Like that was jess to me. That was
an event. Those guys went all out. You had the
whole thing with the respect, wouldn't use the Tiger drivers,
just everything about it. That was an absolute event and
it was one of the best matches that I've seen
in a very long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I couldn't give that no selling Indie Flipper
his match of the year obviously, so I had to
go with Cody versus is Roman as the match of
the year. Yeah, this is the Like the Cody versus
Roman was just like the most exciting match of the
whole year. For me with like and I think even
before the run ins and stuff like WrestleMania thirty nine,
people said that, like before the whole interference is one
of the best WrestleMania main events. I think just the
in ring portion of not thirty nine is better. But
this one still great. Just some great sequences. Roman gun
Full the bright Lights mode. He's hitting like bridging suplexus
in this match. But yeah, this is my And if
you have your other top matches, you can list them
off also because I in mine as well.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 1: So I had some honorable mentions which were Punk and
Drew and Helen is sal Yes, Roman Cody.
Speaker 3: It was a great match.
Speaker 1: I what knocked it out of a time contention for
me was the fact that it kind of got convoluted
with another year of run ins and things like that,
and some of them just again the Undertaker one confronting
the Rock, Like, I get it, he was there. You
didn't have stone Cold there. I thought the stone Cold
thing would have made more sense than the Undertaker, but
you got to use what you got. But that just
kind of made it seem a little bit off to me.
But the redeeming part of that was Seth Rollins coming
out and doing his thing, and that man couldn't even walk,
but he still had the gumption to push forward. So
that was a good one. Another good one, I'm going
to pull it from a different list that I have
is Osprey versus Swerve at Forbidden Door was a top
one for me. Even with Osprey losing that one, that
was still just a great match. And then another ospray
match was Osprey versus Michael Oku from Refpro High Stakes,
which was basically a passing the torch match, Like my
time with Refpro is done. You were the future and
I mean those guys put on an absolute banger and
that just that was February and that match steal lasts
with me. So but Osprey Danielson is definitely the top
for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the other ones on my list would be
Chris Statlander versus Willow the Street Fight, just like an
amazing match like that one I have to rewatch, but
I'd probably go to like five stars for that one.
Staying in Darby Island versus the Young Bucks. This was
probably like this was extremely close between the Cody and
Roman one for me, Like for a long time, this
is probably it's always between these two, but yeah, this
is an amazing match, that match, and like the whole
dark jumping off the ladder into the glass spot. Yeah,
it's just like one of the most memorable moments there.
I al said, punk and drew the hell in a
cell match, like you said, Yeah, just great story feud
ender and just like the brutality of it that you
hadn't really seen in like WW for a long time.
I had one that I don't know if many people watch,
but I love this match. It's EO Sky versus Hyashida.
I'd have to find her. I don't remember her full
name I have written down somewhere, but from Marigold. It
was that same weekend with her and then also aj
Styles went over to Japan that week. And that's a
great match, just like Eosky and just like a full
showing off mode really yeah, and just doing like all
this stuff, just going like she ends this match with
with a tombstone into the moon salt, like she does
the tombstone pile driver and then does the moon Salt
to finish this match, and it's just a really fun match.
I have next. I have the Casino Gauntlet from all In.
I just I just love this match of the debut
of Ricochet and a W And honestly I mentioned it before,
but this is really the only match you can say
that hangman out on Page gets hit by a chair
shot from Jeff Jarrett.
Speaker 1: In this match, then oh yeah, go ahead, Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say. Next. I have also a match from
the same show, and I've swear versus Brian Danielson the
main event of all in just a fantastic match. There
was just obviously the entrance of Danielson with the final
count Dyn the whole story of it, and I thought
it worked really well. Where the title went on and
where this led to death Riders, maybe not, but in
the moment, great story and match there. Then if I
couldn't really decide, there's so many great matches, but if
I had to pick one, just one of Praxium versus
Chase You from NXT Heatwave. This is the one that
tys rated like on Cage match, and I think Meltzer too,
but really either one. I think there had three matches,
but either this one or the No Mercy match are
both like equally great to me as a tag team match,
probably the tag team match of the year. Just in
normal rules outside his sting in Darby, which is the
different type of match there. Then I have Obafemi versus
Die Jack versus Josh Briggs from Stand and Deliver. It's
like the big meaty men match of the year with
like maybe one of those spots of the year with
Obafemi carrying die Jack and Josh Briggs at the same
time and doing like a super death valley driver on
both them. And this is just like a a big
hard heading match there and just the great moment of
his whole reign. And last I have the NXT Championship
Fatal four way from NXT with Trick William, Sean Spears,
Javan Evans and Ethan Page. Those are just a fun match,
so just like plays to all for their strengths and
had a great crowd, and this is the ending with
Ethan Page winning the NXC Championship. Yeah, that was my
my top ten there.
Speaker 1: Hey, those those are all good choices. You can definitely
see why you achieve some of those. I forgot about
that EO match from Japan until just now, so yeah,
that that was that was a bang of a match.
Speaker 3: She she did Mace. I remember going back and having
to watch that.
Speaker 1: Because of how many people uh talked about just what
what she did with that match. So yeah, I'm I'm
all for that. That was a good one. So yeah, no,
that that's good. So from there we then go on
to our wrestler there, our our wrestler of the year,
our top dog, our person that we uh we think
was the absolute best. So I again, I think it's
it's pretty clear who mine is and that is the man,
the myth, the legend, will Osprey, and I will I
would give you a rundown of will Ospray's year.
Speaker 3: Will Ospray's year, for the most part, goes like this.
Speaker 1: January thirteenth, has a banger with Okata at New Japan's
Battle in the Valley. Then he goes to Impact to
give the rub to Josh Alexander. The very next night,
he has the match against Michael Oku at RevPro. A
month later in February eighteenth, to give Michael Oku the rub.
March third, he goes against Takeshta at aw Revolution.
Speaker 3: Then we move on to April.
Speaker 1: Twenty first, that is him versus Brian Danielson at Dynasty.
May twenty six, him versus Roddy Strong at Double or
Nothing where he wins the international title. Three nights later
he wins the number one contender for the world title.
Then we get will Asprey versus Swearvet Forbidden Door. That's
in June. And then July we get will Ospray versus
mjf on Dynamite where they go just shy of one hour,
fifty nine minutes in ninety seven seconds. That's July seventeen.
They have the rematch where will Ospray wins the title
back at all In on August twenty fifth. Will Ospray
faced his pocket all Out on the seventh of September.
Then in October, it's over a month later, he has
the three way match he did lose, but again excellent
showing Osprey Ricochet to catch that Russell dream. Then in November,
will Ospray versus Kyle Fletcher in that full gear match
that was just an absolute banger. And then he ends
his year at World's End versus Akata, after already having
an incredible match earlier that night. This man has been
putting on, in the words of Seamus, banger after banger
after banger after banger, will Ospray is that dude.
Speaker 2: See the problem there is he wasn't drawing money and
he wasn't telling real cinema like my man the real
wrestler the year Cody Rhoads.
Speaker 3: Was Cody drawn or was the Rock and Roman drawing.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, clearly clearly Triple H says he's the quarterback and
he is no bias against Rock obviously, so Cody Roads
is the real wrestler. No, Like like Travis said, like
just the whole story up to wrestling, like the whole
we want Cody movement, Like he he made Rock change
from being the corporate Rock that he's been for like
how many years now, like fifteen years or so, And yeah,
just the whole story up to winning the title and
being the champion based to the company the whole year
and just being the top guy in this whole run
has been really great and he's had again like a
lot of good matches I think, also like aj Styles
in Backlash France, the great match, like I said, the
surprisingly good Cody Roads versus Toles the Coast, the Old
Cage match which is actually a really good match. Yeah, oh,
let's just fell. The Kevin Owns Fewed has been really
good with some good matches there, But yeah, it was
just one of those. Like I said when I was
talking about NXC, it's like when I get invested into
the characters of specific wrestlers, that's what really makes me
enjoy them more. And that's definitely the case with Cody Rhoads. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My my only thing against Cody is I can't without
a shadow of is out say that Cody is the
building block behind a lot of that you know you mentioned,
and I love it.
Speaker 2: I think I think it relates a lot like uh
it has to do. I agree with also some picks.
It definitely bleed over from twenty twenty three in terms
of like rise and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody's field is a carryover from last year, a
lot of those matches. Again, the drawing money at WrestleMania,
I think that has more to do with the rock
and the end of the blood line.
Speaker 2: I was more so joking about about that and calling
Osprey a no selling indie flipper. I don't think.
Speaker 1: The Backlash match was incredible, but again it's AJ styles,
Like if you are not having good matches with the
AJ styles, you are the problem. His stuff with Kevin
Owens has been great, but again Kevin Owens is great.
Speaker 3: I think he's had some.
Speaker 1: Incredible Dan's partners along the way. Yes, but I don't.
I wouldn't say in ring like I'm tuning into a
Cody match expecting it to be just a solid banger,
like I am a will Ospray match again. Finishing the
story was great. It was a highlight of my year.
I was damn near Samantha Irvin over there on the
sideline when he won. I was happy that he finished
his story. But if I'm going just absolute banger, it's
will Osprey bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree with that. If you're going just
purely off in ring, then it's definitely will Ospray, even
with you know, having a super overrated match in there
where you know, Cody had his Summer Slam match, so
I can't fault him there. Oh well, yeah, I can
actually talk about what I didn't like about the I'd
still get like like four stars out of five if
I had to rate it. I just the stuff I
didn't really like is like I felt like it was
like everything and it was definitely more so like it
felt like and I was pretty much taking counts like
they would hit three moves and then like emo to
the crowd, like especially Osprey, like it was like three moves,
they'd go down and then he'd like charge up the crowd,
and then they'd get up, do three more moves and
then charge up the crowd, and each sequence would be
really good. But it was just it felt too like
stop and start for me the whole match.
Speaker 1: Also, Cody's got his little entrance with the oversized mask
and everything, but you're not top in a good Will
Ospray entrance. I mean, my man's coming out, Assassin's creed.
He's having all these just incredible, over the top entrances.
So I don't know that I've gotta again give that
shout to will Osprey. But now Cody would be my
number two. Cody would definitely be my number two because yes,
he does serve the whole package, but I also think
a lot of his has been very much helped by
who he's wrestling with. I think that his character work
is great, but when it comes to the n ring work,
it is definitely serviced by who he is in there with,
and you can tell a drop off when he is
in there with certain people.
Speaker 2: I guess in that same vein he has Osprey wrestled
someone like that would be like your solo's to go level.
I mean, I was like at this, but I'm generally
thinking like I only remember obviously, like the good matches,
so I can remember if there was like just this
Osbury match against just someone like like random or like
considered to be like not that good.
Speaker 1: He has had some random matches this year, especially coming
out of his new Japan work, like his stuff that
he did with the United Empire. Let's see shot. He said,
Oh yeah, there was the huge Steelcage match the Bullet
Club war Dogs versus United Empire. That was amazing. Let's
see catch.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like you're saying, like the Dance Partners thing.
I think obviously Ausbury's rustled a ton of good people too,
and I'm not playing that down as like he's being
carried by the or anything. But I feel like he.
Speaker 1: Went back to back Lee Moriarty and Shane Taylor, Stege
Colaradi Strong, Kyle O'Reilly, Ray, Phoenix, Brian Cage. He teamed
Ris were strickling against the Gates of Acany, and I
actually remember that match from Dynamite and Gates of Agony.
They are serviceable at best, but they are nothing to
write home about. And I think that they really made
that match. Let's see good win against Daniel Garcia, Lance Archer,
who their styles don't really mesh up.
Speaker 2: Isn't it. Kenny Oh yeah, Kenny against fighting Brian Cage.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh if he if he doesn't win that, then
they have definitely dropped the ball. Let's see, he had
no classic matches against Juice Robinson before Juice Robinson had
to drop out, Claude Castianelli, Darby, Allen Riy, Koshet, Brodie King,
Kyle Fletcher, the final match against Okada, and then he
just had the match against Buddy Matthews. So I mean
he's had some pretty stellar matches. But then again, aw
does have a pretty good roster of wrestlers for him
to go up against.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I can definitely see her argument with
with Codys and like definitely been putting him against like
the top top people. But honestly, that's the idea when
you want to make someone look good and have good matches,
which is usly the idea. You don't want to have
someone go out there and have bad matches. But I
agree with your point of Osprey just being able to
deliver against all these different kinds of people. Yeah, so
I think those two options are probably ninety nine percent
of people's picks for earlier.
Speaker 1: I think if Cody did more outside of this bloodline
stuff and the new bloodline everything like that, to me,
it would help his stock a little bit more. But
the fact that it's been a lot of the same
stuff outside of the AJ match has just been all right,
we're back here with you and these same people, Like
I need a break from that.
Speaker 2: I hope for this year he's able to do some
more of that. Even maybe if he does lose the
title at some point, I'm interested to see what kinds
of feuds he would do there outside of having the title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is our awards picks.
Speaker 3: For the year.
Speaker 2: I can do like a very quick draft points update here,
just so we can end this show here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go ahead and check those. Where are we sitting?
Speaker 3: How bad am I losing right now?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I can start with years. I think I have all
these points here.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it should be the easiest because it's the lowest.
Speaker 2: Well, you had a really good good week this week
with a lot of points, so you have four hundred
and seven normal points with two hundred or three hundred
and four bonus points. Then it's me Eric Travis. He
has five hundred and nineteen normal points with two hundred
sixty two bonus points, so I believe he's still ahead
in terms of normal points. Yeah, then I have four
hundred sixty seven normal points with four hundred and thirteen
bonus points. So yeah, I guess the next episode will
be our final draft swaps slash drops of the season
before the Rumble obviously, and that's really Rumble and Chamber
are gonna be last chances to get those big swings.
Those are your fifty pointers there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Yeah, we have Rumble Chamber when Saturday
Night's main event.
Speaker 2: A week book Board, cham or Reekbook or Rumble.
Speaker 1: Gotcha s Yeah. Time time is winding down. Time is
winding down, and I desperately, desperately need some points. So
hopefully next time we redraft and do some shuffling, and
hopefully with this new shuffle that they are doing between
the shows, that's going to get some new eyes and
new matchups that will hopefully go in my favor. Yeah,
that's good, all right, I think that is all the
topics we had for tonight. So s S Bubs tell
the folks where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Just I'm usually just on Twitter at the s Bubs
Early s Bubs on any social media platform you can
probably find it.
Speaker 1: Awesome awesome. I am on All Socials at the Phantom.
Also here on the Geek First Network under the Marvel
Alliance show every Thursday night with Chris Balga going over Marvel.
I'm still filling in for Brent in his absence and
so well you can find me there. Other than that,
you can find me on All Socials at the Phantom.
So I hope everyone has a great week. We've got
a lot of exciting wrestling coming up, including the debut
of Penta hopefully knock on wood Cart subject to change
coming this Monday, and we are about to start, since
it's January, our road to WrestleMania, so I'm very much
looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we'd like to thank our friend and coach Travis
sneil Ford dropping in joining us, especially as you saw
still recovering from his injury. You could check the Geek
for a channel you can find out a little bit
more what's going on with the channel as a whole
and this egregious, egregious thing that has happened to him,
such a travesty, but we are hoping a speed of
recovery for our friend. But with that, I will bid
you all a good night, enjoy your Saturday, enjoy your weekend,
and we will talk to you again soon. Bye bye,