Speaker 1: Bonus.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is Brian, and before we begin, I want
Speaker 2: to set up the start of this bonus episode. Before
Speaker 2: we'd hit record, Zachie read me a message he'd received,
Speaker 2: playfully stating that in our Odyssey review he had gone
Speaker 2: pretty hard on people who had been bad mouthing the
Speaker 2: movie before they'd seen it. This led to a conversation
Speaker 2: between Zachi and I about performative bad mouthing and negativity
Speaker 2: on the internet, and well, it pretty much picks up
Speaker 2: right about there.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because because I think what we saw,
Speaker 1: and this is something I talked about on our show,
Speaker 1: you know, several years ago, how there was a tendency
Speaker 1: towards what I call like performative wokeness, and I found
Speaker 1: that very phony and hollow too, right, So I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, this is like two peas in a pod, right,
Speaker 1: These are like, these are the extremes that need each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so much of it is performative now,
Speaker 2: I mean even the stuff, there's the obvious stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't want to lump all influencers in with this,
Speaker 2: but many influencers have this thing where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: a studio has paid me to go watch this movie.
Speaker 2: So I'll go in here and put this hat they
Speaker 2: gave me on, and I'll act like this was the
Speaker 2: most transcendent night of my life. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: when it's extra phony and performative and they're playing like
Speaker 2: a character almost like you know what they're doing, they're
Speaker 2: act I think these things are directed at adults. I
Speaker 2: have to imagine, but they're acting like a character out
Speaker 2: of like a Blues Clues TV show, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I saw this movie tonight. You won't believe what it is.
Speaker 3: It was amazing. My life's different now.
Speaker 2: And it's like, dude, I you know, like and so
Speaker 2: that stuff kind of drives me crazy. But I do
Speaker 2: think then there are other people, to your point, who
Speaker 2: aren't acting like they're genuinely angry about certain things, which
Speaker 2: they aren't. They just know it's going to get them
Speaker 2: engagement clicks, money, right, and to use your phrase, they
Speaker 2: are for their own selfish profit microwaving people's brains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you know, I've used this example before. But
Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty nine, there was a movie came
Speaker 1: out called Batman. I think you've heard of it, and
Speaker 1: you had a character called Harvey Dent played by a
Speaker 1: guy called Billy D. Williams. Yes. Now, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: speak for you here, but me personally, I saw the
Speaker 1: movie and then later on I found out that, oh,
Speaker 1: Harvey Dent is the character two face, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh that's cool, you know, And that was the extent
Speaker 1: of my reaction. At a ten year.
Speaker 3: Old Lando could be two face cool.
Speaker 1: That was the extent of my reaction. And I have
Speaker 1: a feeling very broadly that was the extent of most
Speaker 1: people's reactions.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, now, cut to you know, twenty twenty six, and
Speaker 1: we have the Master's of Universe movie. You come out
Speaker 1: and you have Adris Elba, who is at least as
Speaker 1: good an actor as Billy D. Williams, at least as
Speaker 1: respected cast as Man at arms. And what do we
Speaker 1: see online? Oh, look at how they're making this woke?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, right, So this is to me
Speaker 1: a perfect evocation of how our discourse has, you know,
Speaker 1: de evolved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't used to be like this, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's strange, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You know. I was even recently thinking about the movie
Speaker 2: Independence Day, and just how diverse that cast is. And
Speaker 2: when that movie came out in nineteen ninety six, I
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking about how diverse that.
Speaker 3: Cast was, right, it was just the cast.
Speaker 2: It's strange, like I love that phrase, the microwaved our brains,
Speaker 2: they have, and for some people it's scrambled their brains
Speaker 2: in such a way that now they're spouting stuff that
Speaker 2: I don't even know that they really feel. They're almost
Speaker 2: like regurgitating exact and they're making me, who used to
Speaker 2: not even think about this stuff, notice things where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: so I's gonna get mad about that, and I don't
Speaker 2: even like having that thought. I just want to watch
Speaker 2: the damn movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's funny because again, like using
Speaker 1: Eat yourselb as an example, he is objectively one of
Speaker 1: our great actors absolutely moment, right, and any rational person
Speaker 1: is like, holy shit, you got Idris eld Up on
Speaker 1: Men at Arms? Yeah right, right, that's crazy, right, And
Speaker 1: by the way, he was great in that movie. And
Speaker 1: and so again it's it like, you know, really, let's
Speaker 1: drill down here, what is it in you? Not you,
Speaker 1: not you, Brian? Just the general you point me while
Speaker 1: I have you, Brian, you that would hear that casting
Speaker 1: and you're you're just your reflexive go to reaction. The
Speaker 1: base that you touch home to is oh this is woke. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think you even understand what that means.
Speaker 2: You know, I know, And well it makes me think obviously,
Speaker 2: well this the this.
Speaker 3: The Odyssey. Sorry I was I was going to go
Speaker 3: into like three different directions.
Speaker 2: But speaking of the movie The Odyssey, where there was
Speaker 2: this whole discourse about like, well I don't like this
Speaker 2: actress being cast as this person. Yeah, well actually it
Speaker 2: turns out they're pretty good in it. Well I don't
Speaker 2: like that there are armor isn't historically accurate?
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I mean. Like, it's just like.
Speaker 2: I'm just mad. That's what it distills down to. I'm
Speaker 2: just mad. And this is my target now because other
Speaker 2: people are telling me this is a target this week.
Speaker 1: Well my my favorite because because what we're seeing right now,
Speaker 1: right we're about a week into the Odyssey's run, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's well on its way to making all
Speaker 1: the money. Yes, if there is money.
Speaker 3: It will make it, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Uh So people are showing up there enjoying it. I
Speaker 1: mean there's sellouts. I mean this it's it's objectively empirically
Speaker 1: a massive, massive hit. And this this goes to something
Speaker 1: you and I talk about all the time. I guess
Speaker 1: what if you it, they will come make stuff people
Speaker 1: want to see. They're gonna show for it. So now
Speaker 1: during you know, the folks who had been decrying the
Speaker 1: movie's release over the last to to you know, four months, now,
Speaker 1: they're in kind of their version of the stop the
Speaker 1: Steel moment where they're like, no, the theaters are faking
Speaker 1: that they're full. I mean real kakamimi stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, well, I thank god I haven't seen any
Speaker 2: of that stuff because I just it's I don't know
Speaker 2: how I miss that.
Speaker 3: So I see some of it, but not all of it.
Speaker 1: I haven't set well, you have a healthy you know
Speaker 1: what's funny, by the way, is I I like to
Speaker 1: believe I have a healthy life online balance because I
Speaker 1: don't spend too much time in this stuff in these trenches,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, you dip in and I
Speaker 1: realized that I've like when I use Twitter, I've I've
Speaker 1: got a plug in that basically really filters out a
Speaker 1: lot of shit.
Speaker 3: A plug in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I I don't use the app. I
Speaker 1: use it in my browser, and I've got, like I said,
Speaker 1: I just put in a plug in that really it
Speaker 1: makes it It's still shitty, just to be clear, but
Speaker 1: it makes it slightly less shitty.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot. So it's not really skewing my
Speaker 1: algorithm very much. But you know, just from talking to
Speaker 1: people whose whose heads are are are are ensconced in this,
Speaker 1: you know, like they're dicking dipping their head in a pool,
Speaker 1: they really see some of this. But I'm like, Ben,
Speaker 1: I couldn't live like that, you know. Yeah, Like even
Speaker 1: if I'm I'm paying attention just for critique, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like Donnie Brasco territory, you know, like right right.
Speaker 1: But I saw, in addition to this, the the oh,
Speaker 1: the theaters are lying about about the seats being full,
Speaker 1: which totally that sounds like something a MC would do, right,
Speaker 1: Like if people want to watch The Odyssey, they'll be like, sorry,
Speaker 1: it's sold out, wink, right, That's what Regal is all about,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. But I saw somebody online was like,
Speaker 1: uh it posted a picture of Elliott Page and the
Speaker 1: Niango in the Odyssey and they're like, well, if their
Speaker 1: screen time is so short, then why did the studio
Speaker 1: put them all over the marketing? And it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 3: No, that's you guys, that's y'all. Yes, yeah, I just
Speaker 3: I don't know the anger.
Speaker 1: It's so it's it's weird. I mean, there there's so
Speaker 1: many see this. This is I had a conversation with
Speaker 1: this about this rather with my friend with Jahalli over
Speaker 1: over the weekend, and we were just talking about the
Speaker 1: box office reception to The Odyssey and everything else, and
Speaker 1: one thing I said is, I think this proves two things.
Speaker 1: Number one, it proves how well two things. First, it
Speaker 1: proves that that Elon Musk has utterly destroyed Twitter like
Speaker 1: any utility it had right is gone. Right because because
Speaker 1: by virtue of whatever he's done to that site, algorithmically,
Speaker 1: he's shown that it has no it, It has no
Speaker 1: bearing or reflection of the overwhelming majority of humanity.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, good point.
Speaker 1: The right. The stuff that people are pissed off about
Speaker 1: on that hell site, other people are just living their
Speaker 1: life and so you know, talk about talk about spending
Speaker 1: four billion dollars and just throwing it down the drain.
Speaker 1: So all of this is I mean, it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: because the Odyssey, I'm gonna say, even ten years ago,
Speaker 1: none of this woke discourse or anything would have even
Speaker 1: plugged in. It would have been a standard four quadrant blockbuster, right,
Speaker 1: And so again you see how things have changed, where
Speaker 1: again everything is so it's you had you have engagement
Speaker 1: farmers whose income, whose livelihood is contingent upon you getting
Speaker 1: pissed off. Yeah, and we got to think about that,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean shit, I used to man,
Speaker 1: I used to say this about talk radio back in.
Speaker 3: The day, you know, yeah, but it didn't have like
Speaker 3: the reach, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, now we all have the device in our pockets,
Speaker 2: every single one of us.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just the next evolution of that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, it taps into the way human
Speaker 2: beings are wired. We're all susceptible to it. It's just
Speaker 2: some people are able to recognize it and reject it,
Speaker 2: whereas others just just the way they're wired or whatever
Speaker 2: insidious way it's reached them, they might more easily fall
Speaker 2: prey to it, you know, and then get their brains microwaved.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing right, because because we really, I mean,
Speaker 1: we seek validation, and sometimes that validation comes in some
Speaker 1: random bot hitting like on whatever stupid nonsense we posted, right,
Speaker 1: And and that's that's the problem. You could say something
Speaker 1: just egregiously stupid, you know, you know, nine to eleven
Speaker 1: happened because of Steve from Blues Clear, and most people
Speaker 1: would be like, all right, let's just you know, walk
Speaker 1: past this guy, you know, yeah, don't make eye contact.
Speaker 1: But you put that on Twitter, you're gonna have like
Speaker 1: three people who hit, like three or three accounts that
Speaker 1: hit like and suddenly you're like, all right, look at this,
Speaker 1: I got some takers for my shit, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's a problem, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you've got enough people willing to kill
Speaker 2: themselves thinking they'll join a spaceship behind a comet, that's right.
Speaker 3: Obviously enough people.
Speaker 2: Are wired in such a way that they will see
Speaker 2: that comment to go interesting, you know, that's right. And
Speaker 2: also I want to say I was making I think
Speaker 2: what I was just saying right before you were speaking.
Speaker 2: You know, people who see this stuff and then maybe
Speaker 2: they're susceptible and then they get sort of converted or something.
Speaker 3: I'm making it sound like they're all innocent. Some of
Speaker 3: them may be, and then they.
Speaker 2: Do get their their wires fried. But other people they
Speaker 2: have this darkness in their heart already and they're just
Speaker 2: being emboldened. So I don't want to make it sound
Speaker 2: like all these people are innocent. It is making some
Speaker 2: people who have these things inside go oh, I can
Speaker 2: say the quite part loud now, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there is. You know, there has historically
Speaker 1: been sort of like social regulation. Right, You exist among people,
Speaker 1: and and by virtue of having to interact in your
Speaker 1: day to day existence, you kind of figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: the proper way to conduct yourself. And you can call
Speaker 1: it censorship, self censorship, or just like coexisting, but it's
Speaker 1: that same thing, right, like, just just how to be right.
Speaker 1: And far too often social media has actually fed our
Speaker 1: our anti social instincts, where it's like, well, I just
Speaker 1: want to say whatever I want and if you don't
Speaker 1: like it, tough, you know, without any any cost attached, right,
Speaker 1: And and that's kind of what we're seeing right. Like again,
Speaker 1: a lot of these folks on the internet, the rage farmers,
Speaker 1: well they've they've built they've built their brain and they've
Speaker 1: built their livelihood around it. So they're doing fine, but
Speaker 1: the people who follow in their footsteps maybe not so much.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that the success of the the
Speaker 1: unquestionable success of the Odyssey is maybe this is this
Speaker 1: is the optimist in me here. Maybe it's the thing
Speaker 1: that finally breaks this this mass delusion that somehow social
Speaker 1: media matters.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: folks who are like tweeters who maybe just kind of
Speaker 1: listen to These folks are going to watch this movie
Speaker 1: and be like, I don't know, man, what's the big deal?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I have seen some people do that.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe maybe it maybe it took Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan to make this happen, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the He's the chosen one, the chosen
Speaker 2: one for this moment new we Actually I want to
Speaker 2: ask you were going to see it a second time?
Speaker 2: Did that pan out?
Speaker 1: I'm trying, Okay, it's I've had this convergence off. You know,
Speaker 1: we have guests staying over, plus it's a three hour movie,
Speaker 1: plus trying to get into I'm not even bothering trying
Speaker 1: to get into a seventy millimeter I just wanted to
Speaker 1: get into the Fomax in my neighborhood. M Yeah, but
Speaker 1: even that has been somewhat challenging, so I expect it'll
Speaker 1: probably be sometime next week hopefully.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've I've spoken with people who are trying to do
Speaker 2: the IMAX thing and they're like, yeah, no's it's it's
Speaker 2: booked through August.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's tough because I'm telling people, look, just
Speaker 1: go see it, go see it on a big screen.
Speaker 1: You'll be fine.
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. I was like, would that
Speaker 3: be nice? Would that be cool?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and if you get an opportunity, that would be great.
Speaker 2: But really truly, at the heart of it, it's a
Speaker 2: great story, Yeah, told in a really exciting and epic way,
Speaker 2: and just go to the theater and you're you're gonna
Speaker 2: get that, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I guess they've done the work
Speaker 1: of making people really want to see the the you know,
Speaker 1: the seventy millimeters. I'm a so kudos on the marketing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, and it will be a.
Speaker 1: Great experience for sure, you know. And I I I
Speaker 1: didn't see Odyssey in seventy million, but I saw Oppenheimer
Speaker 1: and seventy miliary and it was fantastic, So I I
Speaker 1: know you will get something special, but the movie itself
Speaker 1: is special too. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm hoping, hoping, hoping
Speaker 1: to catch my second viewing sometime in the coming week. Uh.
Speaker 1: And of course we got we got Spider Man brand
Speaker 1: new day coming up. So it's like it's I'm sort
Speaker 1: of balancing many plates because you know, I have kids
Speaker 1: who want to watch this and I'm gonna I have
Speaker 1: like multiple screenings of Spider Man uh in the barrel.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. These are these are good problems to have.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is because because my wife wants to
Speaker 1: watch Odyssey and I want to go see it with her.
Speaker 1: And you know, again it's it's you know, having somebody
Speaker 1: watch the baby for three hours can be more challenging,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean three hours, that's just the film, and
Speaker 2: it's getting to the theater and getting back and you
Speaker 2: know previews if you're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in that sense, we are very fortunate
Speaker 1: because and you know this because our movie theater is
Speaker 1: like less than a five minute drive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of us are really lucky, all right.
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm able to budget based on like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know exactly when to park so I can roll
Speaker 1: into the theater just as the trailers are ending. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm and this also helps me in that I know
Speaker 1: this is something you complain about, Like I keep seeing
Speaker 1: this trailer again and again. I'm like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: ever see the trailers.
Speaker 2: Really, Oh my gosh, there, yeah, the cat and the hat.
Speaker 2: If I had to hear him say did you say
Speaker 2: two to fart one more time?
Speaker 3: I was gonna lose it.
Speaker 1: I've not seen it even once.
Speaker 3: Oh really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Okay, And I know there's like a Jessica Tastain movie
Speaker 1: that I guess. Oh yes, what's the story behind this?
Speaker 1: By the way, so it's called Other Mommy, I think okay.
Speaker 1: And I was like, other Mother was right there, right,
Speaker 1: it was right there. It drives me crazy. I've seen
Speaker 1: it twice now.
Speaker 2: And the way they do it is it's like an
Speaker 2: all white screen and it's just like oh t h
Speaker 2: E R.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, other Mother, genius.
Speaker 2: If I worked at a studio and you dropped a
Speaker 2: script on my desk and said other Mother, I'd read
Speaker 2: it immediately.
Speaker 3: I don't know why. It's just a great title, but
Speaker 3: then it's like other Mommy. I was like, no, what,
Speaker 3: so is this like a horror picture? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So it's you know, this is one of those unique
Speaker 2: things where I don't think people would be talking about
Speaker 2: this trailer except Odyssey is such a phenomenon that so
Speaker 2: many people have experienced that everyone is now seeing this
Speaker 2: particular trailer, and so it's getting talked about like it is. Basically,
Speaker 2: it starts with Jessica Chestain is this sort of Stepford
Speaker 2: Wives seeming mother like, oh, hi, do you want some
Speaker 2: ice cream? You know, like being really sweet to the girl.
Speaker 2: But then you realize there's something kind of off, and
Speaker 2: then it turns out that's not really her mom, and
Speaker 2: it's like some sort of duplicate and the I think
Speaker 2: the moment everyone's talking about is the girl then walks
Speaker 2: into the kitchen in another scene and doesn't see the
Speaker 2: mom at the counter, and then she looks down and
Speaker 2: the Chestain character is all contorted in a weird sort
Speaker 2: of spidery exorcist sort of way under the counter and
Speaker 2: it's like a jump scare. Okay, but she's got this
Speaker 2: big Stepford smile on her face.
Speaker 1: Hmm. So you know, I don't know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: scary or funny that moment.
Speaker 3: To me, Uh, it's creepy. I don't know, Like it didn't.
Speaker 2: It takes a lot, I think, to really scare me
Speaker 2: or make me jump these days.
Speaker 3: But like I understand in a.
Speaker 1: Fat like inadvertently funny is what I'm asking.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: If people find it ridiculous, I would in my experience
Speaker 2: people actually jumped because they're expecting it.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, It okay, But.
Speaker 3: That is funny that it's become sort of a thing.
Speaker 2: I'm actually loving, like all the shared conversation about the
Speaker 2: experiences of watching this, and like the memes I've been
Speaker 2: sending you a lot of the memes. Yeah, the one
Speaker 2: that cracked me up the most was James Franco from
Speaker 2: Spider Man two playing Harry Osbourne.
Speaker 1: Oh that was very funny.
Speaker 3: He's like walking out of rubble and from the movie.
Speaker 3: This is his line in the movie. He goes, I'm ruined.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, over the top, it says me after
Speaker 2: watching the Odyssey, and then it's Harry Osbourne being.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm ruined. I have nothing left except Spider Man
Speaker 3: wrecked by the Odyssey. Bring on Spider Man.
Speaker 1: What is kind of funny is it seems like the
Speaker 1: Spider Man marketing is leaning on this is something like
Speaker 1: smaller scale and lower key to unwind after the odyssey, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: I mean they're really leaning hard into just ground level
Speaker 1: Spider Man antics. And isn't that nice? You know?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And I have a feeling it's gonna work. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I have no reason to think that movie is
Speaker 1: not going to perform like Gangbusters, but that is interesting
Speaker 1: how the center of gravity has shifted, you know, and
Speaker 1: and you know what, this is Nolan's moment. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna last forever.
Speaker 3: Yes, we've talked about that in recent months.
Speaker 2: I mean, with Spielberg in Disclosure Day, like he he
Speaker 2: was the indisputable king of the world when it came
Speaker 2: to movies. And and even if you weren't a film person,
Speaker 2: like you saw the new Spielberg movie and you could
Speaker 2: count on it making all the money.
Speaker 3: And now it's kind.
Speaker 2: Of weird to see Disclosure Day be like okay, received,
Speaker 2: all right, it performed okay, so yeah, but this is
Speaker 2: Nolan's moment for sure.
Speaker 1: And enjoy it while at lasts and I think he
Speaker 1: knows that to some extent, right, I mean, the red
Speaker 1: carpet doesn't run infinitely into the horizon. You know.
Speaker 3: He seems like a very perceptive person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I sent you this article. It was
Speaker 1: in Vulture listing like the hundred most powerful Directors. Oh yes, yes,
Speaker 1: did you have a chance to glance at I did.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm going to pull it up right now. I
Speaker 2: didn't have it open for this, but I did, and
Speaker 2: it was very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly just in terms I mean, granted this is
Speaker 1: filtered through the lens of the author of that piece,
Speaker 1: but as a snapshot of Hollywood at this moment, I
Speaker 1: found it, you know, instructive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, you just hit the nail on
Speaker 2: the head because there were some people I was like, oh, interesting, really,
Speaker 2: but actually, if you do look at this moment right
Speaker 2: now and what certain people could wield. Don't even know
Speaker 2: if it'll be the same in a year. Maybe it
Speaker 2: wasn't the same five years ago, but right now, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and just sort of looking at the I mean,
Speaker 1: the list is quite expansive, but just just looking at
Speaker 1: the top ten, and when I sent it to you,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know number one is without even
Speaker 1: looking at it. Yeah, no, no suspense, it's Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 1: I think I think two through ten is just as interesting. Though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm opening up. It has a paywall, so I'm
Speaker 3: like getting past the paywall.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I no, No, it's all good. It's all good, guys,
Speaker 2: go ahead. I remember, I remember most.
Speaker 1: Well in the number two spot, we have Ryan Kugler. Yes, which,
Speaker 1: certainly in terms of directors who you're like, well, if
Speaker 1: that person is making a movie, I want to see
Speaker 1: it mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And a studio wants to make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and the fact that you know, with Sinners,
Speaker 1: he was able to make a deal that essentially allowed
Speaker 1: the movie to revert to him in what was like twenty.
Speaker 3: Five years, thirty years, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean that that was him betting big on his
Speaker 1: own talent and and and it paid off beautifully. H
Speaker 1: And so you know you're going to see a lot
Speaker 1: more directors trying to get the Coogler deal, you know, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Number three is Dennis Villeneuve. Now that's fast to me
Speaker 1: because here's a guy who I've watched just slowly but
Speaker 1: steadily work his way up the rankings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would not have expected the director of Prisoners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to. I was gonna use a Prisoners.
Speaker 1: I remember watching Prisoners.
Speaker 3: And the phil Bad movie of the year.
Speaker 1: I mean, a freaking great movie. But not when I
Speaker 1: can rewatch a ton you know, mm hmm, between Dune
Speaker 1: and and you know his his James Bond Revival. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if James Bond hits, then he's he's gonna have
Speaker 1: his pick of whatever project he wants.
Speaker 3: Totally.
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