WEBVTT 1 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:45.359 Welcome back everyone, or welcome to new listeners. This is 2 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:48.880 episode thirty seven of Punk Vacation. Of course, I'm always 3 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:53.799 joined by Chris Haskell, Welcome back, Chris. And we're joined 4 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.920 by our other co host, who I feel like the 5 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:00.840 past few episodes, instead of doing doing your own segment, 6 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.359 we've just pause, have all been like just say, co 7 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:06.840 hosting with us as well, So let's still. 8 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:12.480 Yeah, yeah, let me do my other intro. Welcome to 9 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.200 fifteen minutes with You, the segment whose name has sort 10 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:21.519 of quintupled, And yes, but you know, yeah, it's been 11 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.640 easier for it's been less pressure for me to have 12 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.599 other people to riff off of. And I have many 13 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.959 irons and many fires at this point, so it's nice 14 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.400 to have some help with this segment. But in any case, 15 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:33.239 I think it's more fun to have a conversation other 16 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.280 than just me gapping for twenty minutes or whatever. 17 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:36.840 So and these are one. 18 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:39.200 This is this is an ambitious slate this time. 19 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.959 So yeah, exactly, and we're both like really starked to 20 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:46.640 talk about it. And I also we can call this 21 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:48.760 sixty nine minutes with You to. 22 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:52.040 That's more accurate. 23 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:58.120 Yeah, we're finding the joy and unfettered, sleazy creativity, slutty creativity, 24 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:04.400 even we'll say if that's problematic, it's a pot. It's 25 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.640 a podcast dedicated to bringing awareness and context to movies 26 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:09.479 of any budget, from anywhere and during any time. And 27 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.360 as always, when we say that, I like that, we 28 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:15.479 say that every time because I feel like, specifically for 29 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:21.960 the malusine side, that goes double, you know what I mean. So, yeah, 30 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.240 this was a very ambitious because, like I was actually 31 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:27.479 looking at the amount of releases and it's not like 32 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:29.960 a lot in terms of like a pile of discs, 33 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.599 but it is as a pile of movies m you know, 34 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:40.719 like there's so many, and so we all kind of 35 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.400 had our work cut out for us, thankfully. And also, 36 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:44.800 you know, this was supposed to be I guess we 37 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:46.919 can give people a peak behind the curtain, so to speak. 38 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.280 We were supposed to release this as like a back 39 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:54.520 to back thing in February, and both Celeste and I 40 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:56.960 got that flu that was going around at different times, 41 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.879 and so this is coming in March, right after the announcements, 42 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:05.240 which we'll follow that episode up uh next week. So 43 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:09.080 so we're just going to talk about quite a slate 44 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:13.000 of November December releases. I got really ambitious and wanted 45 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.800 us to even cover January because they went the opposite 46 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:17.280 direction and made it very light. 47 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.080 But like there wasn't a lot of releases. 48 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.120 But at the same time, you know, you put out 49 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:24.680 another Sato set, it does. 50 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.360 It ups the the inventory a little. 51 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:33.120 But yeah, this was a I love this month completely 52 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:34.120 through and through. 53 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.159 Yeah, I think we're doing November and December. 54 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:41.120 Right, so yeah, December, yeah, one title? 55 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.919 Yeah, well, you know whatever, so November plus a little. 56 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:46.599 Extra, you know, yeah, exactly. 57 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.080 So yeah, if you want to kick it off celess 58 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.080 with with the first uh, the first title in the batch. 59 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:55.039 I don't think we uh decided on an order, so 60 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:56.199 maybe I'll surprise everyone. 61 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.240 Yeah, please, you know, I did want to. 62 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.400 Say real quick, I've sort of reflecting right now on 63 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.919 how when I started this segment, or when we started 64 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.719 this segment, the amount of titles and the amount of 65 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.520 films coming out per month was more manageable for a 66 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:13.560 fifteen minute like sort of and it's just ballooned like 67 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.759 the entirety of the Vinegar Syndrome Empire. I don't know 68 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:18.480 how you two are doing it. I can barely keep 69 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:19.160 up with just this. 70 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:22.680 But you know, yeah, I've I've been. Here's here's what 71 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.079 I can tell you personally from because I was with 72 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.079 Chris and I talked about this in the last episode 73 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.439 we did, when we did the reviews. 74 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.279 For January is It. 75 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.199 You know, My rule prior to being the podcast co 76 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:37.439 host was I would at least knock out the mainline 77 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.879 like that was mandatory, which is fairly manageable until they 78 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:42.959 do like box sets, like there was a month where 79 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.240 they did like Forgotten Jolly Volume eight and two Hong 80 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:50.600 Kong movies, and that month I absolutely was like, this 81 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:54.959 feels like a job. But and and not only that, 82 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.199 to be fair, that month with some of those those 83 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:01.360 Forgotten Jolly movies, watching them, even on my own terms. 84 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:02.639 Felt like a jobby. Yeah. 85 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:07.480 So I that being said, I have gotten into enough 86 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:10.240 of a groove now where as soon as I get everything, 87 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.360 I still kind of do that, and I don't know 88 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:14.720 it's worked out well enough. 89 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.959 What I have to be more intentional about is when 90 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.639 I'm not watching a VS title like all right, I 91 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.079 got a pile of radiance here, I want to watch 92 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:24.120 a radiance title like I have to be to be 93 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.839 more intentional there, but it's been pretty manageable because especially 94 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.800 from the malus inside, it's it's stuff I've wanted to 95 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.199 watch any like, like I'm excited to watch it, so, 96 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.639 you know, thankfully, thankfully they keep having these shipping delays 97 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.680 where like there's a sale so they don't mail it 98 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:42.519 out until mid March, and for me, it's got to 99 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.040 go cross country so and it looks like they're doing 100 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.319 that this month too, so it's not going to be 101 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.759 too far back to back. So that that's been it 102 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.920 for me. It's funny you're saying that for me, But 103 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.439 I don't know how Chris does it because he's got 104 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:00.199 really yeah, I don't know, but that goes Duck was 105 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.079 like triple for Chris, not even double, because you've got 106 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:08.519 other podcasts, other projects, a family, like like you've got 107 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.759 you've got you've got real world priorities that like supersede 108 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:14.720 mine by a mile. 109 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.560 No, no, no, everybody you feel the time you have 110 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.759 right so, but I think, honestly, like there's a lot 111 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:23.560 of nights where I have to just watch two movies 112 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.399 in a night for like four nights in a row, 113 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.000 and I don't love that. But I'm a night out naturally. 114 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.720 So as long as I'm watching my first movie before 115 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.920 nine pm, then there's plenty of time to watch too. 116 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:37.959 And that's just kind of, you know, just kind of 117 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.800 how it goes. I'm a little stressed right now because 118 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.439 some point in midweek I've got to pretend to know 119 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:49.000 something about Nuggie Sooshima and and we're gonna cover at 120 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:52.519 a minimum seven films from that Radical Japan set and 121 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.079 then I'd like to cover another three if possible, and 122 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:57.560 I've got five more to watch to make that happen. 123 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.120 So that's I don't know if that's gonna happen it 124 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:01.639 or not, but we'll see. 125 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.480 That's that's it. But I will say that's a champagne 126 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:06.600 problem because that box sets, from what I've heard, I 127 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:07.000 have it. 128 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:07.759 I have it. 129 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.079 It's sitting right behind me actually just off camera. But 130 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.800 I've heard it's like release of the year through and 131 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:15.800 through for not just radiance, like in general. 132 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:18.600 Can I just pitch it like it's the kind of 133 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.560 box set that makes you love movies, Like they have 134 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:25.160 History of Japanese Cinema. They have this one fifty minute 135 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.879 documentary with all the wild Men of Japanese Cinema and 136 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.439 it's just awesome. Like they talk about how they were 137 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.759 revolting against the studio system, and like they talk about 138 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.000 how like they really like love on each other for 139 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:37.639 the work they were doing at that time. It's just 140 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:41.240 a very heartwarming documentary of rebellion. And I don't know, 141 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:42.879 like the whole thing is just put together with so 142 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.959 much love. Like Plus, the movies are interesting and Oshima 143 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:47.600 is a very interesting director so well. 144 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.480 In the Realm of the Senses is in my letterbox 145 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:52.879 top four, Like I saw that movie in a theater 146 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.600 on film No Less and it genuinely was like a 147 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:57.680 spiritual experience. 148 00:07:59.079 --> 00:07:59.959 It was. It was. 149 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.519 It's a great, great movie, I think, especially for for 150 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.000 right now. I think it's a great movie for this moment. 151 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.800 And so I'm really excited to see how his other 152 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.480 political like that not just his filmmaking style, but also 153 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.560 just what he's up to in terms of his you know, 154 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.439 what he has to say with those movies, because in 155 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:19.959 the ram of the Sense it says a lot. So 156 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.720 I can only imagine, So what would that be a 157 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.720 good segue to the Kannie. I'm gonna let Celest take 158 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.920 the lead so you can you don't have to which. 159 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:31.959 Oh, okay, actually, you know what, you know what, go 160 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:34.840 with whichever, go with your heart here? Yeah, please, My 161 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.080 my discs are just kind of sitting in not really 162 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.000 any order in particular, and I actually think they make 163 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.200 a pretty good, pretty good order. So let's start with 164 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:46.720 the heavy hitter, just for the uh, for viewer retention's sake, right, Uh? Yeah, 165 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:52.200 Mitchell Brothers film drew initial first debut release. Is the 166 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.080 word I'm looking for? Behind the Green Door a film 167 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:59.159 I had heard about, uh wherever ago? I don't know. 168 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.639 It's it's like a big deal, right, And I've been 169 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.360 doing to see for a long time. And I didn't 170 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.000 have as much time to go through all the features 171 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:08.480 on this as I would have liked. But I did 172 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.000 see the movie, I did read the short story, and 173 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.480 I did read most of the booklet, So you know 174 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:17.919 that's probably enough. 175 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:18.360 Right, Oh? 176 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:19.120 I think? I think? 177 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.000 So, I did the inverse, I I watched, I went 178 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:25.519 through the whole disc, all the features nice, and I 179 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:27.039 read a little bit of the book I was able 180 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:28.440 to read. Actually know, I read all the booklet, but 181 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.039 I did not read the short story, and I need 182 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.960 to do that. Interesting, But yeah, what did what did 183 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:36.600 you think? Of the What did you think of the film? 184 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:43.039 Uh, it's okay, I don't know, it's not my personal hmm. 185 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:49.279 The how do I say this? The film is? Well, 186 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.720 I guess the premise is a woman is kidnapped and 187 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:56.279 then like turned into a sort of like spectacle performance 188 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:59.399 for like an exclusive like sex club where people just 189 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.440 go and watch watch this person. I mean, you know, 190 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:04.679 I don't need a sugarcoat it. She's just being raped 191 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.879 over and over again, but like she's into it, so 192 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.120 like it's fine. I guess. You know, it's a pretty 193 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.519 rough premise for something that got as big as it did. 194 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.799 But you know your mileage is going to vary on 195 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:21.879 this sort of thing, right, There's some interesting is the 196 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.120 is the neutral word I'm using for it, Let's say, uh, 197 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:29.480 problematic while also subversive like racial elements going on here. 198 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:33.759 There's some pretty wild and bold like filmmaking techniques going 199 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.159 on here. There's a six minute cumshot which is like 200 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.519 filmed in this like really bizarre artsy psychedelic way, which 201 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.559 I have to respect the audaciousness of it, but maybe 202 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:47.279 to overshare a second, I think cumshots are really gross, 203 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:52.360 and so I was not watching one last Well, I. 204 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.039 Think of it as like I just want to piggyback 205 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:56.240 on that for a second, because. 206 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:57.120 I did think I might. 207 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:00.320 My mind certainly wandered during it, like a sort of point. 208 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.440 It actually desensitizes you to the to the to the scene. 209 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.679 It's kind of like thriller, a cruel picture. Like I 210 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.200 remember there's that You know, every person that gets shot 211 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:11.840 in that movie or gets killed you have to like 212 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.080 sit with that moment for like two plus minutes because 213 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.960 it's shot in and so this does the same thing 214 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.879 with that. And obviously I don't think the Mitchell brothers 215 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.840 are are Here's the thing. This was before porn had 216 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.279 had a real clear cut formula, right or it had 217 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.759 any kind of even had a sheakness to it, even 218 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:29.480 though it was called porno sheic at this point, this 219 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.519 movie is not chic at all. It's very rough around 220 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.960 the edges, no pun intended, and like, uh, you know, 221 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:38.919 and when you think of this in Deep Throat, it's funny. 222 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.200 I saw them both pretty back to back when I 223 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.039 was like twenty on ex Hamster or something on like 224 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.759 in like three sixty p and I was bored out 225 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:49.600 of my mind with both of them. I literally remember 226 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.519 finishing them like as a soldier of cinema, as a 227 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.200 twenty year old snob, being like, ah, both of these 228 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.000 fucking suck, fuck this shit. And I still feel the 229 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:00.000 same way about Deep Throat. 230 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:00.360 Deep Throat. 231 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:02.759 It's a very very bad movie. It's it's not good 232 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.639 even even if let's say there wasn't the story you 233 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.720 know behind it. And it's funny that Chuck Trainer is 234 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.000 kind of like the the six degrees situation with both 235 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.480 of these movies, but take him out of the equation 236 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.480 and just Deep Throat on its own terms. It is 237 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.559 still just a very bad movie, and the people who 238 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.320 made it even feel that way. But like this, on 239 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:24.200 the other hand, revisiting it, especially in four K, like 240 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.120 like the restoration is incredible. 241 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.600 It does look great. I'll say that. I mean, you're 242 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.919 never gonna not compliment of Vineger syndrome. Four K. Yeah, 243 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:35.679 I feel like that doesn't even need to be said. 244 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.440 But it does look pretty amazing well, especially considering where 245 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:41.159 it probably came from and what it is, like damn. 246 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.039 Right, and it was shot on sixteen like ab roll 247 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.159 for you know, there's a great feature where Joe Rubin 248 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.120 himself talks about the process usually those are Oscars segments, 249 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.639 but Joe actually comes in and talks about it, which 250 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:57.200 is great. And and when you know the history of 251 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.919 the Mitchell Brothers and they're kind of like free speech. Also, 252 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.879 if you know the ending of the Mitchell Brothers story, 253 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.799 oh boy, I don't know how familiar. 254 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:06.840 Until about fifteen minutes ago, and I was like, what 255 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:07.600 the fuck. 256 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:08.519 Yeah, it's crazy. 257 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.960 I actually I actually remember as a kid seeing the 258 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.879 story on hard copy, not connecting who they were, but 259 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.039 because I was too young to know that. But uh, 260 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.120 what I appreciated more about the movie this time. I 261 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.480 have to say I did like it. I don't know 262 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.720 if it's something. It's not a pleasant experience by any means, 263 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.320 but you know, for something that was so new, like 264 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.159 in terms of being such a you know, this is 265 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:36.960 right before porn started with its formulas. It reminded me 266 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:42.080 more of eighties art house porno, like Cafe Flesh and Corruption. 267 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:45.960 It doesn't have the narrative structure that those have, or 268 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.000 or the kind of postmodern in the sense that like 269 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.559 it's they know, they're self aware, it's a porno. You know, 270 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.879 they're actually with the Mitchell Brothers, they're more like no 271 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.320 we're taking you into a world and this is whatever 272 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:03.440 loose narrative there is here, so it the visually, it 273 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.559 really pops. It definitely seventy two minutes does not fly by, 274 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:13.679 especially that cumshot. But you really also get to appreciate 275 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.559 for this kind of like eyes wide shut style sex 276 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.279 party that's happening. It's shockingly like you were saying, like 277 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.720 it's very progressive with like not just interracial sex. And 278 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:26.960 obviously the Marylynd Chambers element of it at the time 279 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:31.080 was very scandalous, but it's also a very body positive movie. 280 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.200 Not on purpose, I mean that term didn't exist, but 281 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:38.159 you see, like you see all shapes and sizes getting 282 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.120 down when that orgy happens, and it doesn't at. 283 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:42.080 All make it a point. 284 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.360 None of it's fetishized, none of it's focused on in 285 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.799 a very at least any more fetishized than any other 286 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:48.559 shot in the movie. 287 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.679 They're all it's all almost. 288 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:55.960 Like equal opportunity fetish and I really thought that was 289 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.399 very effective, like especially now when you see what because 290 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.200 you know, these guys lived in San Francisco and they 291 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.360 wanted to make something artistic, and so especially having just 292 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.879 seen Deep, you know when you've seen Deep Throat, and 293 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.519 you know what that is compared to this, this movie 294 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:12.519 does stand out a lot better. And I think that's 295 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:15.480 why it was also as big of a hit, because 296 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:19.639 it obviously had the Marilyn Chambers Ivory soap scandal attached 297 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:23.519 to it, but it also did, I think, make people 298 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.960 feel more like they were watching something a little more artistic, 299 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.320 because it's not just the cumshot. There's like this kind 300 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.120 of like cross Dissolve where she's blowing a guy over 301 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:33.919 like the city of San Francisco. 302 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.080 Yeah. No, I mean, if you change the content, it 303 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.600 in form and in structure and in pace does feel 304 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.840 like an art movie for sure, you know. And that 305 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.159 is to his detriment a little bit, and that is 306 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:50.120 kind of boring, But like, you know, I also think about, uh, 307 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.559 this is a this is I don't know, this is 308 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.559 a this is an analogy that might not make sense 309 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.600 to a ton of people, but like when you're first 310 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.639 getting into black metal or something and then you listen 311 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:00.440 to that Venom record and it's like, this is not 312 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:02.360 that great or it's not what I'm expecting or it's 313 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:03.759 not what I want, but it's like, but this had 314 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.519 to come first. For the stuff that you like, you 315 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.440 know what I mean, So like you gotta give it, 316 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:09.200 you gotta price it in, you got to grandfother it 317 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.759 in a little bit, give it some credit for starting things, you. 318 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:16.399 Know totally, And there's there's a well what's funny is 319 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.840 so right? But I still haven't seen Blue Money, which 320 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.799 was considered the first technically that was like a VS release. 321 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.559 That's considered the first the movie that actually legitimately kick 322 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:30.559 started porno Chic, but Bachanal which came out shortly after 323 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.000 that in nineteen seventy, which was directed by the Amaro 324 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.279 brothers who made Blonde Ambition, among other things. They directed that, 325 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.039 and that was made when softcore and hardcore were like 326 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.759 it started, I believe as a softcore project and later 327 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.320 evolved to a hardcore project that's even more shapeless than this. 328 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.519 And I just saw it like two weeks ago at Neubev. 329 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:58.480 But watching it, I you really get to appreciate even 330 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:02.120 how much more progressed in the two years from that 331 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:05.799 to this, Like it plays so much better. So it 332 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:10.920 it even though it's like artifactual and not hasn't hit 333 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:13.240 any of those points yet where like you know, it 334 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.400 has like an affecting plot, it still makes you appreciate 335 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:17.039 it a little more. 336 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.920 I'm actually surprised. I'm gonna I was not expecting to 337 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:23.799 like this the most out of all of y'all. 338 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:24.519 Wow. 339 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.000 Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you like it. Yeah, so 340 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:28.319 I was hoping to like it more. 341 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.079 To be honest, I did like it, but but just 342 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.559 I I but yeah, but it is more my My 343 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.400 liking it is definitely qualified. 344 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:38.839 Yeah, I think I have like, I think I put 345 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:40.400 it in like a six out of ten. So you know, 346 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.279 it's fine, but it's like a life six for me, 347 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:46.119 you know. But I want to hear you, Yeah, please 348 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:47.799 talk about how much you like it, because you're less 349 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.880 uh in the thick of it as it were with 350 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.559 this stuff, and uh, you know, I'm curious what you 351 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:54.160 think about it. 352 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.839 Was that a size joke perceived? I think no, I 353 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.279 think there're I think you y'all nailed it. Y'all nailed 354 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.759 exactly my thought. So there's a lot of references in 355 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:08.200 punk to like bands that don't necessarily fit the punk 356 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.119 scene but came first. And you talked about Venom with 357 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.000 with the you know, black metal, and I think like 358 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:16.440 there's that there always has to be that thing that 359 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:20.680 comes first, right, and like this movie came like it's 360 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.440 it's funny to keep saying comes first. But anyways, like 361 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.359 watching something like Cafe Flesh, I think like this movie walks, 362 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:31.559 so Cafe Flesh could run right in a way, like 363 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.400 it feels like, oh okay, they're kind of doing like 364 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:38.559 a similar thing. And I'm sure that somebody who I'm 365 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.400 sure us what's his name, Saadian? 366 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:43.000 Oh, steven Sadian. 367 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:45.799 Yeah, yeah, he probably saw the Marquis. 368 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.640 No, he goes by he goes by Rinch Dream when he. 369 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:52.359 Went in dream, that's right. Yeah, I'm sure he saw 370 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.599 beyond behind the green door and it's probably like oh wow, 371 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.039 like you know, and probably like had some type of 372 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:00.400 influence on him one way or the other. And culturally, 373 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.079 I think it's cool that, you know. The close thing 374 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:06.359 I could think about was when it was announced that 375 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.640 the like the Verizon girl or one of the or 376 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:12.960 the woman who does like one of those phone companies 377 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.160 was going to be publishing nude photos for like a 378 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:21.160 charity auction recently, and I think it was the progressive 379 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.400 No progressive is flow right? Not her? No, it's like 380 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:28.960 she looks more of like a rom com. 381 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.960 Like I really I'm not a it doesn't matter, I'm 382 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.640 not really well versed in advertising at this point for it. 383 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.000 Yeah, but like that's a recent example of this where 384 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.480 you have somebody who's kind of known for like one thing, 385 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.519 but but actually her face kind of represents that thing 386 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.079 and then they go off and do something scandalous, right 387 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:48.440 shirt Marilyn Monroe is like an obvious example of it 388 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.079 or whatever. But like I feel like there's that doesn't 389 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.759 happen a lot. Maybe Sidney Sweeney to some extent, although 390 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:57.119 she's been pretty consistent as being like, you know, scandalous 391 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:59.680 and she came out or whatever, But like, there's not 392 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.240 a lot lot of times where this happens in pop culture, 393 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.200 and it's always interesting to me when it does because 394 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:09.240 America has such a dysfunctional relationship to sex, and I 395 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:12.680 think stuff like this really highlights it. Like why would 396 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.880 it be an issue for Maryland Chambers to make this movie? 397 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:16.960 Like you know, anyways, there's like all sorts of questions 398 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:20.160 that that brings up that are just interesting to me. 399 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:22.960 So that backstory is cool, and then the movie is interesting. 400 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:29.759 I think I love what's the word the factory that 401 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.960