WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.439 I were live today, Whiles. That's front Keias. 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:07.360 Seven seventy West Riverdale Road in Ogden, thirteenth Daniel Memorial 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.240 Day weekend tent sale with a bunch of great deals 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:13.279 vehicles for every member of the family, mom, dad, children, 5 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:13.800 What have you? 6 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:16.280 Seven seventy West Riverdale Road in. 7 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:19.679 Augden, thirteenth Daniuel Memorial Day weekend tent Sale. 8 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:21.079 I'm not gonna lie. 9 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.320 When I saw our next guest was on the rundown today, 10 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:25.640 I shed a tear. My heart broke a little bit. 11 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:28.760 Tony Jones was last night real? I feel like it 12 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.600 was a fever dream. Dude, did lastnight actually happen? 13 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.759 I can safely tell you that, you know we I've 14 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.200 been doing your show for how long? 15 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:41.079 Six years? 16 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:47.200 Six years. I've never not looked forward to doing a 17 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:48.880 hit with you until today. 18 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:53.960 Oh man, that's fair, that's fair. On the pantheon. You know, 19 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.640 Porter's a young Porter's a young Nick fan. We love them, 20 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:57.679 but let's give him a big hug. 21 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:00.920 You and I are ogs, and so I thought about 22 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.479 that James Franco gift where it's like a first time 23 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:07.159 right on the pantheon of heartbreak that we've all suffered 24 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:08.159 throughout the course of the year. 25 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:09.680 Where did last night rank for you? 26 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.959 This is one of the worst losses in Tranchise history. 27 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.439 This is this is up there with you and missing 28 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.719 the layup. This is up there with eight points and 29 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:27.000 nine seconds. This is up there where Reggie going off 30 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.599 for twenty five on us in the fourth quarter. This 31 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.159 is up there with starts missing shot after shot after 32 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.239 shot and Pat Rolly keeping him in the game. Uh 33 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.680 to go two for eighteen in the Game seven of 34 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.560 the NBA Finals. I mean, this is this is up 35 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:49.799 there with you know, Roy Hibbert. You know I love 36 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.000 Roy because he's a Georgetown guy, But you know, blocking 37 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.040 Carmelo at the rim. I mean, this is this is 38 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.359 up there with the most tankful law that I've ever 39 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:07.719 suffered as a nicked fan, full stop. I I went 40 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:11.000 on a run last night just to try to clear 41 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:14.560 my head. And when I stopped, I had got into 42 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.199 six miles and I didn't even know it. 43 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:21.159 I'll tell you what, man, I mentioned this to start 44 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.319 of the show. I'm not even kidding. I couldn't sleep, 45 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.439 Like I went to bed, I watched inside, I watched 46 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.319 Van Pelt, I read a couple of recaps, and then 47 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.159 I tried to go to bed, and I kept thinking 48 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.520 about OG's lack of closing out on Nie Smith, Josh 49 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.599 Hart slipping twice and giving Nie Smith these open looks, 50 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.319 and I knew Kat was going to miss one. I 51 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:44.360 thought OG was going to make both. I don't even 52 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:46.439 know where to hone in, dude, Like, was there ever 53 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:48.960 a moment? So I said this earlier when Jalen hit 54 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.240 the step back three to make it one nineteen one 55 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.800 oh five, even though the PTSD of the Nick fandom 56 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.800 and me was clearly alive and well, I just thought, 57 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:01.599 there just is not enough time left, like it's a 58 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.000 fourteen point game they do like the Pacers just don't 59 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.360 have enough time. So part of me allowed myself to 60 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.240 get to get excited. Then was there a point in 61 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.479 the game where you were relaxed, You're like, yep, we 62 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.520 got this, it's done, you know. 63 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.919 I thought I thought it around one nineteen one oh 64 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:23.360 five that I was like, okay, this, this seems safe. 65 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.479 But when it got to one nineteen one thirteen, even 66 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:29.400 though there was under a man left, there were forty 67 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:33.039 one seconds left, I was like, yeah, but the Bucks 68 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:37.199 blew this, And that was what I was thinking and 69 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.719 I was like, if anybody could mimic the Milwaukee Bucks, 70 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:44.840 just us, And that's exactly what we did. And then 71 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.800 and then Holly gives us a second shot at Knight 72 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.879 and the twist the Nights even more. We scored the 73 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.080 first four points in overtime, and then you're like, okay, 74 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:58.479 you know, we scored the first four points in overtime. 75 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.960 And then on that next postion shit, Myles Turner turns 76 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.680 the ball over and I'm like, oh, okay, we're good, 77 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:09.120 We're good, We're on the break. That was a gold 78 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:09.879 ten stace. 79 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.080 Yes it was, Yes, it was, yes, it was. 80 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:18.680 That was a goaltend that absolutely hit the glass. First, 81 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:24.560 we should have had a six point lead. Instead, the 82 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.959 goal ten wasn't called and they come down in transition 83 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:32.600 and them right hit the three, and that that, for 84 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.879 all intentsive purposes, ended the game for us, because it 85 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.040 took the wind out of our sales. It took the 86 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.360 win out of the sales of the garden. And then 87 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.680 we got tight and we didn't run a good offensive 88 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.079 possession the rest of the game. And that was sick 89 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:53.160 to my stomach. Og throwing that past the Brunton was 90 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:57.079 so much space in between there was too much space 91 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.959 for that pass. And then the first replay, Oh my 92 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:06.279 dear god, that went off of Jalen. We're gonna lose 93 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:11.319 the game. It was, I mean, it was you know 94 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:16.199 when you talk about, yeah, you want it quick and easy, right, 95 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.600 you don't want to slow burn. And that's when last 96 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:24.600 night was. It was just a slow burn into oblivion. 97 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:27.480 And it hurt. It hurts so badly. 98 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:30.959 It did. It did. 99 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:33.959 And uh, you know, we'll get to how you think 100 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.879 they're gonna react, because if there is good news, it 101 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.120 was game one. It wasn't Game seven against the Rockets 102 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.759 when John couldn't find the broadside of a barn. So 103 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.519 there's plenty of time left. But we'll get to that 104 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:46.920 in a moment. Let's stick with the game, Tony, I 105 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.079 led with this. I love Tom Thibodeau. I've known him forever. 106 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.279 He was Jeff's assistant back in the day. He got 107 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.759 out coached last night. I mean a couple of challenges 108 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:00.240 where I'm watching on TV and Jalen's offensive foul on 109 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.360 Ni Smith, and of course every player stands up and 110 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.199 does the thing with a finger like review that I'm like, 111 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.879 don't review it a it's too early in the game. B. 112 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.120 You're gonna lose that challenge. See, you're going to lose 113 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:14.560 the time out. And on three different occasions, Indiana Pacer 114 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:18.040 players turned towards Rick Carlisle to ask him to challenge 115 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.240 plays early in the game, and Rick said, no, go play. 116 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.199 I'm hanging on to him, and he hung on to 117 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:25.040 his challenges. 118 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.160 That allowed him to challenge two massive plays at the end, 119 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.879 including the possession that you just referenced, that both went 120 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.439 Indiana's way. The analytical community has taken a lot of 121 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.160 l's this year. I don't know why we're fouling up 122 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.639 three with thirteen seconds left, Like that's too much time. 123 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:44.959 So I and rotationally. 124 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.079 You know, there's not a lot of hard data that 125 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.319 indicates Tom Thibodeau plays his players too much and therefore 126 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.759 they get hurt. Og was tired. He didn't close out 127 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:58.120 on three different Nie Smith threes. Josh Hart slipped twice. 128 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:02.480 He was tired. Jalen had two horrific turnovers. Cat missus 129 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.920 free throws. O G misses a free throw, like, I 130 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:07.839 think Tom has to wear this little bit Tony. I 131 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.439 thought Rick Carlisle completely out coached him last night. 132 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:17.560 I agree, and I thought he completely uh you know, 133 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:19.800 out schemed him down a stretch when it comes to 134 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:24.000 making an end game adjustment, you know. And I think 135 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.839 that the biggest thing that that Rick got his guys 136 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:32.160 to do was just keep playing. And they never stopped playing, 137 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:37.279 like you know, they we hit them with that fifteen 138 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:41.480 O run without Jinglen, which will never happen again in 139 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.800 this series. Like that was a that was a complete 140 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:50.040 gift that Indiana imploded in that stretch and that that 141 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.519 will never happen again with Jalen Brunston off the floor 142 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:57.199 in this series, and we wasted it. And but the 143 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:02.000 key was that, you know, they got them together, They 144 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:05.800 kept playing, They got onto the next play. You know, 145 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:08.279 every time that Jalen foul drifted and got a call, 146 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:12.000 you know, they didn't show much frustration. They got to it, 147 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:15.199 they got to the next play, They kept playing. And 148 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.920 we kind of imploded a little bit in terms of 149 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.079 the other way. We didn't show as much maturity as 150 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:25.399 Indiana did. And I gotta tell you, Spence, I think 151 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:29.319 we lost the series last night. Like I know, it 152 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:34.399 sounds pretty stupid to say that you lost the series 153 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.679 in one game, but I think we lost the series 154 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:40.120 in one game. And I'll tell you why. The longer 155 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:44.799 this series goes, the more disadvantage that we're gonna be 156 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:49.480 in because uh, Indiana played so fast and they're so teams, 157 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.840 We're gonna be more fatigued and more fatigued as the 158 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:57.480 series goes on. We cannot afford to play this series 159 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:03.240 from behind. We have to play this series for my head. 160 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.000 So we have to win the next two games. And 161 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:10.159 even if we let's say we let's say we win 162 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:14.120 tomorrow night, let's say we get one of the two 163 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:17.159 games in Indiana, it's still to two series. The only 164 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.559 thing that means that it's going six to seven. And 165 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:21.759 if it go six or seven, Indiana has such a 166 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.159 big advantage because they're going to be so much more fresh. 167 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:30.679 They have five guys, our five starters all play at 168 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.360 least thirty eight minutes a game. They do not have 169 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:38.600 a start, single starter that plays over thirty four minutes. Again, 170 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:44.240 that's huge, especially in an every other day series. And 171 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.360 that's why I thought last night was so important. We 172 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.679 needed to get on we needed to jump on top 173 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:50.559 in this series. 174 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:55.000 So now that leads me to the next point, and 175 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.679 you know, it's This is what makes sports fascinating because 176 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:00.840 I can't sit here and tell you that you're wrong. 177 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.519 I think that's one of the reasons why I was 178 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.919 watching the game last night, and then after it ended 179 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:07.879 the way it did, I'm like, Okay, that's not just 180 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.159 an L. Like there are l's and then there are 181 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:12.600 l's that steal your soul. 182 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:14.639 And that's what last night was. 183 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.240 So if we move over into potential solutions for Tom 184 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:21.120 Thibodau and the New York Knicks, can they dust off 185 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:21.799 Precious at you? 186 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.120 A can? Can Precious give you ten minutes? Can you 187 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.279 dust off Landry Shammitt? Can he give you ten or 188 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:26.919 twelve minutes? 189 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:27.080 Like? 190 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:32.120 Are there solutions on the roster? Did allow og to 191 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.120 get a blow for four or five minutes? Or Josh, 192 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.879 just shit for I'm not talking about Precious giving you 193 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.360 twenty five minutes, man, I'm talking about Precious at Youah, 194 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:44.039 Landry Shammitt giving you ten or twelve minutes? Here there, 195 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:47.759 can Tom extend his rotation a little bit because the 196 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.120 other thing Tony starting out of the game Indiana couldd miss. 197 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.080 But the other thing I noticed is the Knicks were 198 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.879 trying to match their pace and it was working because 199 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.279 the Knicks can play fast. But I just started to wonder, like, 200 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:00.639 how is this going to look at the end of 201 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.559 the game when Rick can go ten to eleven deep 202 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.039 to your point, eleven players averaging ten or more minutes 203 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.559 a night, and Tom continues to stick with his seven 204 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.039 man rotation quasi eight man because Campaign played some minutes 205 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:15.919 because Jalen was in foul trouble. Do you think Tom 206 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.159 can extend his rotation a little bit, dust off some 207 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:19.799 of these players at the end of the bench, just 208 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:21.679 to give the starters a little bit of a rest 209 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:22.159 here or there. 210 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:29.159 Tom Zibodeau has the line right on his bench, Okay, 211 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.360 Tyrese Haliburton was cooking us in the fourth quarter and 212 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.759 on the stretch the line. Wright has been in the 213 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:42.720 NBA for ten years for one reason, one reason only, 214 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:50.559 because he is an absolutely dogged the perimeter defender. Even 215 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.559 if he's not what he was at his team, and 216 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:55.000 he's not he's not the defender he was at his teak, 217 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:57.399 but he's still a good defender. You mean to tell 218 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:02.279 me that he couldn't steal four possession on time he's Halliburton, 219 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.279 Just to give him another look, just to see what happens. 220 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.440 You know, that's the thing you know with Ton Tiboda, 221 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:15.080 that always holds him back. He's two set in his ways. 222 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.799 But we can sit here right now, we could be like, yeah, 223 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:21.320 precious Truer is capable of giv him five to five 224 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:23.960 to ten minutes, and he is. And Landry Shama is 225 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.240 capable of coming and you know, not hurting me for 226 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.000 five minutes, and he is. But it's not gonna matter 227 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.960 because Time's not gonna do it. He's gonna stay with 228 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:37.720 the same seven guys for forty eight minutes. He's gonna say, 229 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:40.279 with the same starters for forty two to forty five minutes. 230 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:44.919 Josh Harden is gonna play forty six minutes, and he's 231 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.960 gonna ride with that until OG's hamstring is falling off 232 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:51.480 the boat. And then when and then when we lose 233 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:56.720 the series. Uh, and then when we lose the series, 234 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.159 Leon ROAs shall fire him and go and get a 235 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:06.159 coach that adjust, because that's what Tom does. Yeah, he 236 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:08.320 leads to the water. He leads you to the water, 237 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.879 but he's not capable of making you drink. 238 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:12.759 Yeah. 239 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.000 I mean, he's never coached in an NBA finals as 240 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.519 a head coach. His NBA Finals experience consists of him 241 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:19.399 being an assistant with. 242 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:20.720 Jeff back in the day. 243 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:23.840 All right, one more thing here and then we've got 244 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:25.440 a couple of other things to do. Of course, we 245 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:27.679 need to talk some jazz and the Denver Nuggets have 246 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:29.639 made a decision on their head coach, and hell, there's 247 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.600 a game tonight. Just tell me what you anticipate in 248 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:35.120 Game two tomorrow night. Nick's are a five point five 249 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:35.919 point favorite. 250 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:37.440 That line is a little big for me. 251 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.879 I wouldn't be stunned actually, based off of maybe the 252 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.279 energy of the crowd, and I would imagine a really 253 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.480 frustrated group if New York comes out tomorrow and smokes them. 254 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.679 I'm not going to predict that because again, PTSD, what 255 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:51.799 do you think happens tomorrow night? 256 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:59.440 Well, the thing about Tomorrow night that's fascinating is Indiana 257 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:03.919 is has been the one team in this postseason in 258 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:06.919 the NBA that hasn't and when they've gotten up one 259 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:12.399 nothing on the road, they haven't been satisfied. Like I covered, 260 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.519 you know, the Nuggets last you know, I've been covering 261 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.519 the Nuggets and when they got a one nothing against 262 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.320 Oklahoma City, they were clearly fine with going back to 263 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.039 ball Arena with the splay, you know, and okay, see 264 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:29.399 beat them by like eighty points, and you know that's 265 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:37.360 what scares me. You know, it scares me that, you know, 266 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.559 we could play a good game tomorrow night and Indiana 267 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:42.879 can still just take it a smile and they're still 268 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:45.000 capable of winning the game, because that's what they did 269 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.440 the Cleveland last series. You know, Game two K Cleveland 270 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:53.679 came out, guns are blazing. Uh. You know, Donovan was 271 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:58.360 scored drop forty. They made every shot in the enda 272 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:00.080 state in it and stayed in it and stayed and 273 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:05.519 how and Halliburton killed them at the end. You know, 274 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.440 So we're gonna have to play forty eight minutes and 275 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.639 it doesn't matter if we're up by seventy points. We 276 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.720 gotta keep playing like our life, depending on our life 277 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:21.360 depends on it. Because the Pacers are not just gonna 278 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.759 lay down just because of this game too, and they've 279 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:26.799 already got to split. You know, they're they're kind, they've 280 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:29.279 been really hungry, and they've been really good at being 281 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:33.240 really hungry. Uh, in these playoffs. There reason, while last 282 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.480 week I sat on your show and I was like, yeah, 283 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:41.600 the Pacers can win the NBA Championship. They're capable, and uh, 284 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.639 you know, they're they're really good. You know, I think 285 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:51.200 they're they're not getting as much love as they deserve 286 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.759 because you know, they don't have a top ten guy. 287 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:00.559 But you know, people watch if you watch them after night, 288 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.399 possession after possession, you know, that's just a really, really, 289 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:08.159 really good basketball team, and it's it's gonna be tough 290 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:09.720 for us to get a winner all night. 291 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:13.200 All right, let's move over to tonight's Game two. 292 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:18.039 Ok See, you know, defensively, in the first half, they 293 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.399 were really good Game one because they're insanely tough on defense, 294 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.639 and then the defense even ratcheted up in the second half. 295 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:30.120 Julius Randall disappeared and wasn't very aggressive, and then SGA 296 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.279 got going and their offense got tiken. They ran Minnesota 297 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.279 off the floor in game one. What are you expecting 298 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:37.200 tonight for Game two? 299 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.480 You know, the thing about you know Oklahoma City is 300 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.600 Dave probably your best defense, one of the best defenses 301 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:49.279 I've ever seen, has just turning you over and speeding 302 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.840 you up. I mean they, you know, Golden State at 303 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.840 its peak did that. The teams, you know, for everything 304 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.000 that people talked about Golden State offensively. You know, the 305 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:01.879 thing I was most impressed with that dynasty was how 306 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:06.440 good they work defensively, and you know the way that 307 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.519 they the way the Oklahoma City steed you up, and 308 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.839 you know, they they battle you, and they fight you, 309 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:15.039 and they fight you and they kick and they clawed 310 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.599 and they spit and they do you know, just all 311 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:23.000 kinds of things that throw you off kilter. You know, 312 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:27.319 it's kind of amazing, uh that Denver actually took them 313 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:33.519 to seven seven games. You know, the thing that Minnesota 314 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:35.200 has to do, and the thing that any team has 315 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.920 to do against the thunder team is they have to 316 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:38.920 you have to make threes. You have to make a 317 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.559 lot of them, because they put five guys in the 318 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:45.960 paint and they basically say, we're we're strong enough too 319 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.440 to battle you and put five guys in a paint, 320 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:57.880 but we're quick enough to recover and and contest and contest. 321 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:58.599 You from three point range. 322 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.920 You know. So the thing that the thing that Minnesota 323 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:05.279 is gonna have to do if they want to win 324 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:07.200 this series is they're gonna have to make threes. They're 325 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:08.680 gonna have to make a lot of them. And then 326 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.960 they're gonna have to keep getting stops. Essentially, they got 327 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.799 stops in the first half, but they didn't get stops 328 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.519 in the second half, you know, so you know, those 329 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.960 are those are some of the things that they do. 330 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.920 I think it goes to nothing tonight and then we'll see, 331 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:28.400 you know, if the Timerwolves are good enough to respond 332 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.480 twice at Target Center in Minneapolis. I'll be covering those 333 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:35.559 games for the Athletics, so you know, read my stories 334 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:39.440 on them. But you know, right now, you've got to 335 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.039 think that Oklahoma City has a pretty big advantage. 336 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.119 All right, you reference your cover. 337 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.000 You've been covering the Nuggets all year long, and they 338 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.039 have made a decision. I don't know that it's that 339 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.559 much of a surprise, but David Adelman will be the 340 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.839 head coach. They're removing the interim tag. Josh Croncky announced 341 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.079 that today. Your thoughts on what we heard out of Denver. 342 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:03.759 Yeah, this is I mean, you know, me and Sam 343 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.079 Maymen reported on Sunday that this was likely to happen. 344 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:12.880 Uh So, God bless Sham's getting the clean up on that. 345 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.759 But you know, we we had already kind of reported 346 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:22.680 the bulk of that. You know, it's not surprising at all. 347 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.640 He deserves it. I thought he coached the heck of 348 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.880 a playoff, the a hell of a playoff. I thought 349 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:34.839 he out coached Tylu in the first round. He you know, 350 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.359 he's been terrific and and his the thing, I mean, 351 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.880 the players wanted him. You know, Nicola Jokis wanted David Adalman, 352 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.960 Aaron Gordon wanted David Adaman, Jamal Murray wanted David Adaman, 353 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:49.759 and those are the three people who didn't want Michael Malone. 354 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:56.440 So you know, uh, Josh Coroncky was always going to 355 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.759 listen to what the players wanted there, and you know, 356 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:02.880 our frankly, you know, David Adaman went out in the 357 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:08.400 playoffs and and invalidated what the players wanted because, like 358 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.359 I said, I thought he coached a heck of a playoffs, 359 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.720 and you know, I thought, I think that he completely 360 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:16.480 deserves the job. 361 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:19.759 All right, son, last thing before he said you loose 362 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.640 the combine is now in the rearview mirror. Sarah Todd, 363 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.519 our mutual friend in front of the show, as reporting 364 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:31.279 the Jazz have interviewed the following for the fifth overall pick. 365 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:34.119 As the deserect News plays a video as I pull 366 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:35.799 up the website. 367 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:37.400 Ace Bailey, Trey Johnson, VJ. 368 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:42.559 Edgecombe, Jeremiah Fears, con K Nipple, the Mallawatch Kid, Casperus, Jakaccionis, 369 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:47.000 Derek Queen, and Jace Richardson and obviously interviewed Cooper Flag 370 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:47.799 and Dylan Harper. 371 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:49.599 But they will not be on the board at five. 372 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:52.440 As you've gone throughout your draft prep before I say 373 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:54.680 you loose as of today, who do you think is 374 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:56.880 best case for the Jazz to walk away with at 375 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:57.720 five in the draft? 376 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.000 Well, I mean it's going to you know, I've been 377 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.759 saying this on Twitter the whole time. You know, Ace Bailey, 378 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.640 Trey Johnson, and VJ as Canmer in the same tier 379 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:13.960 of player. All three of those guys are very good 380 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:20.759 talents who all have star outcomes as they're sailing. So 381 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:25.880 if so for the Jazz, it's going to be you know, 382 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:27.960 who you bring in for a workout. How you like 383 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:31.559 all three of those guys? Which of those guys you 384 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:34.960 like the most? Is there a guy outside of those 385 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.920 three that you like better than one of those three? 386 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:40.799 You know? Do you fall in love with Derek Queen? 387 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.799 Do you fall in love with Jeremiah Fears. Do you 388 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:47.960 fall in love with Milo? Watch? Do you fall in 389 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.599 love with Kaka Npul? You know, so those are the 390 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.920 questions that the jazz have to answer. One of those 391 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:58.240 three in that tier are going to be available, So 392 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:00.839 you know, in the Jazz has lived with one of 393 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:07.079 those three. All three of those guys has very have 394 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.920 different unique things that I really like about him. Like, 395 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.880 I love DJ as comes athleticism. I love the way 396 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.599 he defends. I love the fact that he's six four 397 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.240 instead of six' to one in three quarters LIKE i 398 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.480 thought he was going to measure at the, combine AND 399 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:24.400 i love that he has a six or seven wings. 400 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:29.880 Fan so now we thought for the entire year They, 401 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.880