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Speaker 1: We got Smitty live in the studio. Man Richard Smith
Speaker 1: will be be with us for an hour. Spend forty
Speaker 1: years with the Utah Jazz Front Office. John Kimball, president
Speaker 1: of ray Al saw Lake in a little bit of
Speaker 1: breaking news. I'm told John will drop coming up in
Speaker 1: a bit three o'clock hour Tuesday afternoon. It means it
Speaker 1: is time for our weekly visit with a very important
Speaker 1: media member who has been very busy as of late.
Speaker 1: You know him, you love him, Ban McMahon. Tim McMahon
Speaker 1: Hap Tuesday, Sir.
Speaker 3: How are you pardy partner. I'm just swell hanging out
Speaker 3: here in Oklahoma City, hoping that the sundric can make
Speaker 3: this a quick one. I'd like some rest between series.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Bruises can put up much of
Speaker 3: a fight.
Speaker 1: I'm quite sure they'll make it a quick one. Tim,
Speaker 1: do you think Game two is at least a little
Speaker 1: more interesting than Game one?
Speaker 3: I mean, I would hope if they could keep it
Speaker 3: a little bit closer than fifty one. You know, I
Speaker 3: think we're probably going to see something in that fifteen
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five point range. The Thestjase ain't a fair fight.
Speaker 3: One team's really really good. One team's looking for a
Speaker 3: nice vacation destination.
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this when I saw
Speaker 1: your name on the rundown because pretty much, you know,
Speaker 1: every week for the past three four months or so,
Speaker 1: after Okase kind of established themselves as the dominant team
Speaker 1: out west, I would ask you which team is keeping
Speaker 1: Mark Dagnoled up at night? And my question to you
Speaker 1: now is is any team keeping Mark Dagnoled up at night?
Speaker 3: I don't know about keeping them up at night? I
Speaker 3: do like the Thunder aren't assuming they're just going to
Speaker 3: prove through the Western Conference. I think you know, they've
Speaker 3: they've talked about their challenge, their challenge now being basically, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a competition within themselves. Don't get their
Speaker 3: heads gassed up after a fifty one point win. You know,
Speaker 3: stay sharp, stay focused, take care of your business here.
Speaker 3: But man, whoever wins this four or five series is
Speaker 3: going to be you know, some competition. The Clippers look good,
Speaker 3: they look good. They look good for a while. Kawhi
Speaker 3: looks like the dude who's been a Finals MVP. I mean,
Speaker 3: we'll see if you can stay healthy, boat Man. That
Speaker 3: guy I saw last night was bouncy, was on fire.
Speaker 3: So I honestly think that the Clippers Thunder could be
Speaker 3: a heckt of the series. Also with some crazy storylines
Speaker 3: the Paul George trade trade that obviously helped launch this rebuild,
Speaker 3: this unbelievable rebuilt in Oklahoma City, It can still pay
Speaker 3: off for the la Clips despite the site Paul George
Speaker 3: is no longer there. Because about that, there's no Kuai
Speaker 3: And again why right now? Man, he's looking like a
Speaker 3: guy that was worth giving up a whole lot of
Speaker 3: stuff to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, and we'll get there in a moment.
Speaker 1: But you know, I wanted to kick the tires with you.
Speaker 1: And the best way I can describe this is you
Speaker 1: remember the classic Jim Carrey comedy Dumb and Dumber nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four. You remember the movie yes him, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Remember when Jim Carrey as Lloyd Christmas approaches Lauren Holly
Speaker 1: as Mary Swanson and gently puts his finger over her
Speaker 1: lips to tell her to stop talking. You remember that scene.
Speaker 1: I do, And every time you ask Nico Harrison a question,
Speaker 1: I just want to walk up to him and put
Speaker 1: my finger over his lips and say, buddy, that's enough.
Speaker 1: What if anything over the course of the past, you
Speaker 1: know a little bit as you have been in some
Speaker 1: other media members down in Dallas as well, been able
Speaker 1: to get access to Nico and ask him these questions.
Speaker 1: What are your main takeaways about where we're at with
Speaker 1: a situation with the Dallas Mavericks That really feels like
Speaker 1: I hate to use the term unprecedented, but I don't
Speaker 1: know that in my entire life around this league, I've
Speaker 1: ever really experienced anything quite like this, because every day
Speaker 1: it seems like there's another thing that comes out and
Speaker 1: it's like, who is running the show over there? What's
Speaker 1: this experience been like for you?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the similar fact is Nicol Harrison has
Speaker 3: been running the show and he's done. You know, it's crazy,
Speaker 3: you know, I had the story yesterday that kind of
Speaker 3: details just how Haywire things have been behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: and just how some of the behind the scenes decisions
Speaker 3: that he made drove birk away from the franchise, created
Speaker 3: friction Malucas and you know, played a role in They're
Speaker 3: just medical catastrophy this season. The miracle here is that
Speaker 3: this team made the finals. Last year, this franchise made
Speaker 3: the finals with all the dysfunction, and it's a credit
Speaker 3: and large part to Lukadosch's unbelievable talent, which makes it
Speaker 3: even more inexplicable that they decided to dump that guy
Speaker 3: months later when he absolutely was planning on spending his
Speaker 3: entire career in Dallas. And look, you know, I know
Speaker 3: people say, hey, Nico, just shut up, to shut up.
Speaker 3: Well he did shut up for two and a half months,
Speaker 3: and that didn't help either. Asard Dumont forceman do that
Speaker 3: weird you know, closed doors invite only thing. And I
Speaker 3: was certainly a part of that. And you know got
Speaker 3: my uh, I got, I got what I needed out
Speaker 3: of that. I was not there yesterday. I'm up here
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma City. I was playing on Meet the Mavericks here.
Speaker 3: They didn't qualify for the playoffs, but yeah, yesterday. It's
Speaker 3: just weird having him do two media availabilities back to
Speaker 3: back when he really hasn't answered any of the questions.
Speaker 3: But you know, he thinks he built the championship caval team.
Speaker 3: It's all about you know, the injuries have prevented us
Speaker 3: from seeing that. Okay, but that's that It's championship or bus.
Speaker 3: That's the only way you could even convince yourself that
Speaker 3: this trade was anything close to a success for the Mavericks.
Speaker 3: And that's an all the high bar to clears when
Speaker 3: you've got two you know, thirty some odd franchise cornerstones
Speaker 3: and very long medical histories and one of those guys
Speaker 3: is recovering from a torn acl right now, unpack.
Speaker 1: This Casey Smith story for me, Tim, that I just
Speaker 1: learned about based off of your reporting. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just another one of these scenarios and situations that just
Speaker 1: makes you wonder if Nico is really the right guy
Speaker 1: to be doing any of this. So I didn't know
Speaker 1: any of this until you reported it. Let's unpack this.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell me you didn't read my book about
Speaker 3: tell me you didn't read my book. My goodness, I'm
Speaker 3: that's a shot to the heart.
Speaker 1: We'll get there, Tim, I'll get there.
Speaker 3: It's actually this stuff was hit in the final chapter
Speaker 3: that didn't make the first print of the book. But
Speaker 3: you can get it this with proof of purchase if
Speaker 3: you check my x account and find out linking. So
Speaker 3: long story short, Casey Smith as respected as anybody in
Speaker 3: his field. Longtime had athletic trainer for the Mavericks, also
Speaker 3: for Team USA, promoted the executive nine after fifteen years,
Speaker 3: extraordinarily respected in his field. Also one of Jurdonvisi's best friends. Right,
Speaker 3: and so the long the cliff notes of the story
Speaker 3: that I that I printed yesterday on ESPN dot com
Speaker 3: is it's a big happy everybody's excited. It's Strk's Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame weekend. Right, Casey Smith's there, Nicole Harrison's there,
Speaker 3: a bunch of other people in the Mapeston They all
Speaker 3: fly up on the team playing fly back. Casey's got
Speaker 3: to get out of town. Unfortunately, his mother was great
Speaker 3: to deal. She's in the final weeks of her life.
Speaker 3: So he heads to his hometown in Ohio days after
Speaker 3: Dirks Hall of Fame induction, which is in August, a
Speaker 3: couple of months after. Typically NBA personnel moves are made
Speaker 3: because you give people the courtesy have been able to
Speaker 3: go to summer league and look for the next job.
Speaker 3: Nickolarson reached his ouvocation and says, hey, we've got to
Speaker 3: meet cases is I'm with my greatly ill mother. I
Speaker 3: can't meet you in person. I'm in Ohio. Okay, let
Speaker 3: me zoom. That's how one of the most respected and
Speaker 3: beloved figures over the last two decades, Dallas Mavericks, was fired.
Speaker 3: That's why Dirk's like, I don't want anything to do
Speaker 3: with this franchise. I'll be a Mavericks fan. I'm not
Speaker 3: involved in the francise anymore. I'm out. I'm out on this.
Speaker 3: He took their long time pr director Scott Tomlin, another
Speaker 3: of Dirk's best friends. Like Dirt, Casey and Scooter were
Speaker 3: kind of like the three amigos. Basically said, Scooter, come
Speaker 3: work with me. You're getting out of there. And you
Speaker 3: know Luca, like Lucan the Dirt to Luca lineage, Like
Speaker 3: Lukey didn't learn everything from Dirt, but he learned a
Speaker 3: lot of things. And one thing he learned is that
Speaker 3: dude put all of your trusts in facing like this
Speaker 3: is a dude. You think trus this is the dude.
Speaker 3: He's always gonna look out for your best interest. He's
Speaker 3: a good dude. And so yeah, that created some friction
Speaker 3: with Luca. Now he said, wait, they went to the
Speaker 3: finals last year. Well, there was also Jammy Holsapple, their
Speaker 3: longtime strength coach. He was kind of able to be
Speaker 3: the point person between his quote unquote body team and
Speaker 3: Luca put together and the Mavericks. Well guess who also
Speaker 3: got fired not in twenty twenty three the days after
Speaker 3: the finals run Jeremy holsopple cases fangs are a manual payables.
Speaker 3: These are all people that are really close to Luca.
Speaker 3: No shock, there's all kinds of fritsual Luca. And then,
Speaker 3: by the way, the Mavericks can barely put eight guys
Speaker 3: on a floor for big chunks of this season, they
Speaker 3: will replace them at the for the head of their
Speaker 3: health and performance group and their head strength coaching, by
Speaker 3: the way, is not even doesn't even have the required
Speaker 3: certifications to be in that role. They're at each other's
Speaker 3: throat the whole year. Somehow, Derek Lively the second goes
Speaker 3: through a four. We turn to play work out and
Speaker 3: they're like, hmm, maybe to get a cetsk and oh
Speaker 3: that's strained ankle. There's actually a stress fracture in it.
Speaker 3: I mean dude, the level of incompetence in the Mavericks
Speaker 3: helping performance group this year is staggering. And so you
Speaker 3: drive away the best player in franchise history of the legend.
Speaker 3: You create all kinds of friction before you decide to
Speaker 3: dump his successor the most talented player in franchise history.
Speaker 3: The guy just led you to the finals a few
Speaker 3: months ago, and you've got a medical crisis on your
Speaker 3: hands all season long. Yeah, I would say Niko Harrison
Speaker 3: has done one hell of a job creating a mess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just every day it feels like there's something else
Speaker 1: is coming down. Last thing here. It appears that you
Speaker 1: have redeemed yourself with Mavericks fans who at some point
Speaker 1: wanted to run you out of town. Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I whatever post like. The simple fact
Speaker 3: of the matters is I haven't changed. I do my
Speaker 3: job the same way. Sure, I am direct, I am aggressive.
Speaker 3: My loyalties not to Mavericks fans. You know, when I
Speaker 3: come to the Jazz, it's not the Jazz fans. It's
Speaker 3: not to my sources, it's not just anybody. It's to
Speaker 3: be true to getting to the bottom of stories and
Speaker 3: by the way. It's not just like swing a sledgehamer,
Speaker 3: like trust effort A lot about, for example, the brilliance
Speaker 3: of Luka Danci on the floor, you know, like the
Speaker 3: you know, the brilliantly when I was coming to jazz
Speaker 3: a lot, you know, the did the development, the emergence
Speaker 3: of Ruby will bears as a dominant defensive fours, historically
Speaker 3: dominant defensive furs. I'm gonna okay See, I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: right about okay See's defense. I'm gonna be right about
Speaker 3: how ailsome Shakos Alexandrews. But when things go haywires, my
Speaker 3: job to get to the bottom of it. And it's
Speaker 3: not my job to even with the very best players
Speaker 3: in the league. John Moran is here, for example, I've
Speaker 3: written a lot of stuff on him. I've written about
Speaker 3: how awesome he was, and I've written about how messy
Speaker 3: it is off the floor, or certainly has it. And
Speaker 3: so I don't make a message. But it's my job
Speaker 3: to figure out what happened, and it's not my job
Speaker 3: to clean them. My job to point them out and
Speaker 3: figure out just how messages were made. When there are
Speaker 3: messages that are made.
Speaker 1: If Cooper flag is a jazz man. Next year, we're
Speaker 1: going to see you at juniors a couple of times
Speaker 1: as opposed to zero that we saw you this year.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, certainly I would say that Cooper flying. I
Speaker 3: can assure you this Cooper flag will be getting coverage
Speaker 3: from ESPN during a group of year in the NBA,
Speaker 3: and if he ends up in Utah, I would certainly
Speaker 3: assume that I will be a large part of that coverage,
Speaker 3: probably the point man on that coverage. And you can
Speaker 3: absolutely find me a junior's you know, red rocks, Uh squattered,
Speaker 3: there's man, I missed my spots. I might even I might.
Speaker 3: There's a chance I'll make it out for Salt Lake City,
Speaker 3: you know. You know, hey, man, I don't mind me
Speaker 3: some Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: Stuff, all right, we'd love to see. By the way,
Speaker 1: did you need me to voice the audio book for you?
Speaker 1: Did you need me to do that for you?
Speaker 3: Listen, brother, it would have been better than this British
Speaker 3: dude that ended up doing it and misnounced some names
Speaker 3: like Gobert. Oh, you don't get me started. All right, Okay,
Speaker 3: we I think we've I think they've made the corrections. Uh,
Speaker 3: I've had some issues I've had. I've had a bit
Speaker 3: of frustration in that regard.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, Smitty, who's going to be in
Speaker 1: studio coming up next, wanted me to pass on that
Speaker 1: he has read your entire book and he very much
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. So there's little flowers for you, Tim on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. But let's go back to clips nugs. And
Speaker 1: you know I talked about this earlier. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many years Lebron was the best player in pro basketball,
Speaker 1: if we call it fourteen or fifteen, I don't know,
Speaker 1: something like that. And whenever the debate would come up
Speaker 1: about who's second to Lebron, I think Durant was the
Speaker 1: name the people would come up with, But for about
Speaker 1: four or five years, it was Kawhi, And even to
Speaker 1: the point where I'm not saying Kawhi was ever better
Speaker 1: than Lebron, but there were nights where you'd watch Kawhi
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, I don't know how many people
Speaker 1: are better than he is a what he does, and
Speaker 1: no matter what he does the rest of his career,
Speaker 1: I'll always look back on Kawhi and wonder what could
Speaker 1: have been. He seemed like the perfect air apparent to
Speaker 1: Tim Dunkan, he seemed like the perfect spur And then
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's people around him or whatever.
Speaker 1: Want to live in Los Angeles wins the title in Toronto,
Speaker 1: but at least for a snapshot moment last night, if
Speaker 1: anybody forgot man, that's what that dude looks like when
Speaker 1: he's right. So in a vacuum, how did you digest
Speaker 1: that performance from Kawhi letterd last night?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and the biggest things happened to Kawai. Forget
Speaker 3: changing teams and all that. It's just that the knee
Speaker 3: and the body has betrayed him. But he's healthy now,
Speaker 3: and dude, it's a reminder like there's a reason that
Speaker 3: they moved having on earth to get him. There's a
Speaker 3: reason that they gave up all that they gave up.
Speaker 3: And man, is it a lot shag of Alexander Jaden
Speaker 3: Williams picks to come to get him via the Paul
Speaker 3: George trade. You know again, it's the Paul George trade.
Speaker 3: But the whole point of that trade was that's what
Speaker 3: Kawi said, if you do this, I'm there. And so
Speaker 3: that can still pay off and it's not like, hey,
Speaker 3: Kawhi's just turn it off for the playoffs. You look
Speaker 3: at like the last month month and a half of
Speaker 3: the regular season, he was playing at a first team
Speaker 3: All NBA level, But you're watching it and you can
Speaker 3: just see it. You can just see in the ways
Speaker 3: move and you can see in the ways to elevate,
Speaker 3: like he's back to being like springing and man, you know,
Speaker 3: Kawhi has had some of the best playoff runs, and
Speaker 3: like the playoff run in Toronto is unbelievable. He's not
Speaker 3: some of the best playoff performances even in a Clippers uniform.
Speaker 3: You know, I remember they come to they come to
Speaker 3: Dallas and it's a game six in Dallas, master up
Speaker 3: three two in that series. You know, he's dealing with
Speaker 3: Luka Doncic and Kawhi had forty some odd points crazy efficiency.
Speaker 3: He's guarding Luca down the stretch of that game. The
Speaker 3: Clippers pulled that game out, uh and ended up winning
Speaker 3: the series and seven. But I I don't know how
Speaker 3: many better playoff performances I've witnessed live with my own
Speaker 3: eyes and than the one that night. So he obviously
Speaker 3: hasn't been able to stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, they flamed out in the bubble that was
Speaker 3: the best chance. He hasn't been able to stay healthy
Speaker 3: for a playoff run since. But man, the Clippers have
Speaker 3: They've been playing really good basketball for a while. You know,
Speaker 3: your old buddy Jeff Van Gundy's doing a hell of
Speaker 3: a job as their defensive coordinator. You know, they they've
Speaker 3: got Kawhi Harden's playing at the high level Zubos has emerged.
Speaker 3: Is like Zubots is really really really high level type
Speaker 3: of player. Like he wasn't an All Star, but that's
Speaker 3: the kind of impact that he had this year. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if the Clippers are going to be
Speaker 3: the Nuggets. Joker still a deep just player in the league.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be elve series and then you
Speaker 3: know the Clippers though, like dude, they're forced to be reckoned.
Speaker 1: With I told our buddy Tom Habers show yesterday that
Speaker 1: as somebody who was on the sidelines watching Jeff and
Speaker 1: Gundhi hold on to Alonzo Morning's leg for dear life,
Speaker 1: and then watching Jeff take a punch from Marcus Camby
Speaker 1: trying to hold him back from Danny Ferry, seeing Jeff
Speaker 1: hold on to the basketball and basically forced to jump
Speaker 1: ball with Nikola Jokics brought a tear to my eye.
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful, beautiful moment for me. Tim Well, he.
Speaker 3: Had a little bit of help in that other assistant.
Speaker 3: But you know, Christian Brown said the joke had of
Speaker 3: getting the weight room after that Van Gundy he was
Speaker 3: holding on type boy. He wouldn't letting go. And unlike
Speaker 3: Matteshpia a couple of years ago, there was no flopping. Nope,
Speaker 3: he was holding his ground, no flopping. And listen, the
Speaker 3: curse of that flop is haunting the Suns franchise. They
Speaker 3: have not won a playoff game since that night. That's
Speaker 3: all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: Do you think gets a head coaching job a look
Speaker 1: at a job this offseason based off of what he's
Speaker 1: done with the clips?
Speaker 3: I think he deserves a look. Whether he gets one
Speaker 3: or not, I can't say. You know, obviously, it's let's
Speaker 3: just be straight up. It's tough for a guy who
Speaker 3: would kind of be perceived as a retread, you know,
Speaker 3: like I know, like the Sun's one kind of a fresh, young,
Speaker 3: energetic type of type of leader. This go round a
Speaker 3: flaming out. You know, Vogel who By the way, thank
Speaker 3: Vogal did a much better job than Gout sent it
Speaker 3: for in Phoenix. Obviously the bove thing. But Man asked
Speaker 3: TYLERU ask any of those Clippers players what kind of
Speaker 3: impact Jeff fan Guny's made there? I think there. I mean,
Speaker 3: we'll see how many jobs come availables the other thing.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think you can do a lot
Speaker 3: worse than having Jeff fang Gunny. He's read coach in
Speaker 3: the NBA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. All right, So before I
Speaker 1: say you lose, you're in ok. See, we've already talked
Speaker 1: Riz Thunder after that game one yes situation where she
Speaker 1: didn't even play well and they still won by half
Speaker 1: a hundred. So let's do a little tea Wolves Lakers.
Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting Lakers going small and Coach
Speaker 1: Finch deciding to sit Rudy and those of us around
Speaker 1: here know what that's like. But of course the work
Speaker 1: nas Reed was good, and Minnesota just has so many big,
Speaker 1: physical wing defenders. I didn't feel like Lebron responded at
Speaker 1: all to the physicality, and Luca got his. But what
Speaker 1: do the Lakers do tonight to get back into this
Speaker 1: tim What do you think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is kind of this dance sometimes
Speaker 3: with Luca when if he was really getting cooking early on,
Speaker 3: you want to make sure everybody else still feels part
Speaker 3: of the flow, and I think that that's something where
Speaker 3: he'll try to figure out a way to strike that
Speaker 3: balance a little bit better. But they just got a
Speaker 3: hold on the rope. Like, dude, if this game, or
Speaker 3: if any of these games are close down the stretch,
Speaker 3: you really like the Lakers' chances because they've got two,
Speaker 3: you know, premier closers, and the Timwolves don't have one.
Speaker 3: Like the Timboleves really struggle protectionally to those late punch
Speaker 3: time situations, so they just can't let the Timbles run
Speaker 3: away in the third quarter like they did the other night.
Speaker 1: Last thing, just because I'm contractually obligated. Do you have
Speaker 1: anything on the Utah Jazz at all? Anything at all?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the I really like the purple.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they've leaned back into it, you know, like
Speaker 3: the mountains Man. Those are classic uniforms like that. The
Speaker 3: high light of yellow is a tough deal. I think
Speaker 3: the uniforms they've got that right, and now they got
Speaker 3: to work on the roster.
Speaker 1: Tim McMahon on the uniform beat for the Utah Jazz,
Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Enjoy the game tonight. Appreciate it, brother,
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