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<v Speaker 1>Hi, darling, Hey gorgeous. How are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I am doing just fine. I heard this sound bite

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<v Speaker 2>this morning and I was like, you know, I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>how John Caldera, whose Independence Institute spent gobs and gobs

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<v Speaker 2>of money lowering the income rate in our state, feels

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<v Speaker 2>about hearing the governor say we cut income taxes three times.

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<v Speaker 3>The beautiful thing about being a politician is you can

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<v Speaker 3>always find a defense for we. My guess is he

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<v Speaker 3>did vote for it, and we Coloradden's did vote to

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<v Speaker 3>lower the state's income tax twice now from four point

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<v Speaker 3>sixty three now to only four point four percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I guess we did, didn't we?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, kind of like on Saturday when the Broncos

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<v Speaker 2>beat the bills, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Be like, we why we we?

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<v Speaker 3>Why? Right? One?

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<v Speaker 1>We beat the bills?

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So now, in all the seriousness, you guys did.

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<v Speaker 1>Spend gobs and gobs of money. You should send him

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<v Speaker 1>a bill.

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<v Speaker 3>John, Well, our supporters and our friends and other great

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<v Speaker 3>organizations helped us with this, and let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 3>he did and didn't do real quickly. What he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>do was object and campaign against the tax cuts. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>take that as a victory. What he did do was

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<v Speaker 3>take credit for those victories after we did it. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>take that too. I would love a politician who proudly

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<v Speaker 3>says we cut taxes in hopes that he will do

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<v Speaker 3>it again.

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<v Speaker 1>What he also did went the other way. He signed

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<v Speaker 1>onto a bill that makes it near impossible for me

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<v Speaker 1>to put another tax cut on the ballot. He passed a.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill and it says that if there's a tax cut,

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<v Speaker 3>there has to be this language on the ballot to

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<v Speaker 3>scare the voters.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, well, you vote for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Tax cut, it will stript money away from education, healthcare,

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<v Speaker 3>and roads right, and puppies and little ladies will die,

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<v Speaker 3>kids will be starving. And when we've tried to petition this,

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen that petition signers will go, ohh, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want that, even when it was a lie, because we

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<v Speaker 3>had these surpluses and no part of.

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<v Speaker 1>The budget was going to get cut when we tried

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<v Speaker 1>to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know how the governor could say he

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<v Speaker 3>loves lower taxes and then vote for bill, sign a

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<v Speaker 3>bill to make it impossible for us to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and for him to take credit against that. He also

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned three times, and I'll give him partial credit for this.

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<v Speaker 3>He signed on to a bill that temporarily lowered our

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<v Speaker 3>income tax rate as part of a Tabor refund mechanism,

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<v Speaker 3>which no longer applies.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a temporary little tax. I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what we need to do is lower the

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<v Speaker 3>income tax rate. What what matters is not that politicians

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<v Speaker 3>take credit for things they don't do.

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<v Speaker 1>What else is new?

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<v Speaker 3>What is important is that this legislature is going to

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<v Speaker 3>try to ruin Tabor and raise taxes yet again.

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<v Speaker 1>John, we have to keep on on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you about this because I just saw this.

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<v Speaker 2>The new messaging coming from Colorado Democrats seems to be, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, we love Tabor too. We love Tabor refunds.

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<v Speaker 2>But what we you know, we want to what we

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<v Speaker 2>want to do is we just want to take the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of that refund. We're gonna still give you guys

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<v Speaker 2>the right to vote on a tax increase, which you

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<v Speaker 2>and I both know is worth nothing because now they

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<v Speaker 2>just keep making everything fees right, so it doesn't matter, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there, now they've changed the messaging. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the part where you get to vote on higher taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>We just want to take the table refunds to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we have enough money for kids and puppies.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of TABOR is a tax and spend limitation on

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<v Speaker 3>the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they've already figured out how to legally get around that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yell what is it called.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's been adjudicated, right, I know that the

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<v Speaker 2>courts have heard it. But you know as well as

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<v Speaker 2>I do. A tax is a fee by another name.

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<v Speaker 2>A fee is a tax by another name.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no difference in wallet cannot tell the difference between

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<v Speaker 3>a tax and a fee.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is something different here. There's a nuance here.

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<v Speaker 3>So let me see if I can grab it, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think it goes right down to the fundamentals of

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<v Speaker 3>democracy and the idea that democracy is under assault.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you take something and call it a fee,

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<v Speaker 3>what it does is it pulls it out of the

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<v Speaker 3>state what's called general fund and puts it into another bucket.

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<v Speaker 3>And that other bucket is not controlled by our legislature.

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<v Speaker 3>It is controlled by appointed people in different districts. So

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<v Speaker 3>when TABOR passed nineteen ninety two, less than a third

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<v Speaker 3>of all the money that was spent by the state

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<v Speaker 3>was in that other bucket that was run by non

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<v Speaker 3>elected people. They have grown that bucket so large that

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<v Speaker 3>out all the money that is spent by the state,

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<v Speaker 3>that bucket that is run by other people is now

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<v Speaker 3>two thirds of all.

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<v Speaker 1>The money we saw. We say, let me say it differently.

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<v Speaker 3>The people who are running around screaming democracy is under

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<v Speaker 3>assault have moved most of the government, two thirds of

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<v Speaker 3>the government outside of elected control, our direct elected officials,

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<v Speaker 3>and now put it into the hands of appointed, unaccountable

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<v Speaker 3>people who we cannot vote out of office. They're appointed,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we don't have direct control.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't even have.

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<v Speaker 3>A say in two thirds of our government in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 3>as they scream, no kings, no kings, well yes, I

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<v Speaker 3>agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>No kings.

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<v Speaker 3>Put that money back into the general fund and let

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<v Speaker 3>us vote if we want to increase the size of

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<v Speaker 3>the budget. No.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they did that so that they didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>give the money back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Okay, I got to stop you there. We

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<v Speaker 2>have two and a half minutes, and you do tend

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<v Speaker 2>to go on. So let me ask you this question.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you, but you are fascinated by everything, I say, Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so you have men man'splain this a little more for you, honey.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a column on Complete Colorado dot com about

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<v Speaker 2>this legislative session, and you know I have said I

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<v Speaker 2>said it yesterday on the show. From this point forward,

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<v Speaker 2>everything Jared Police does is about his eventual run for president, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what it is. So what are you hoping?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the labor bill is going to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's some really onerous crap that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>come through this legislature. Do you have any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, guess about I really be more diligent about.

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<v Speaker 3>I've known Jared for over a quarter of a century

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<v Speaker 3>and it's been painful and hard to watch him do

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<v Speaker 3>all these things that he does not really agree with.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not personally anti gun, but he's ushered in the

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<v Speaker 3>worst gun control laws in the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>He is not pro tax but he has ripped apart taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's done special interests.

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<v Speaker 3>He has just outlawing AI basically and putting in regulations.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not him.

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<v Speaker 3>But he can't stand up to the left, to the

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<v Speaker 3>wild progressives. Well, she's got nothing to lose, it says

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<v Speaker 3>the last time at bat Man Up, Jared, be yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>We might actually like you stand up to the progressives.

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<v Speaker 3>They hate your guts now anyway. I mean, it's amazing

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<v Speaker 3>how they talked about the governor. Now they're ready for

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<v Speaker 3>him to go, and they're planning for when he's gone,

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<v Speaker 3>what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're not loved by anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the Rodney danger Field of Colorado, which is

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<v Speaker 3>really empowering in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can be yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>If everybody hates you, no matter what you do, go

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<v Speaker 3>do the right thing or go be you. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hopeful that this session we might get a look

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<v Speaker 3>into what Jared really is. Last thought, if Jared had

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<v Speaker 3>a Republican legislature, he probably would have been one of

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<v Speaker 3>the best governors in the country. He would keep the

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<v Speaker 3>legislature from doing foolish socially conservative stuff, but on business

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<v Speaker 3>friendly stuff he'd probably agree.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a civil war brewing inside the Democratic ranks

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<v Speaker 3>and it could explode this session, and that being between

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<v Speaker 3>normal Democrats and socialists, and they're really starting to go

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<v Speaker 3>at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So from your lips to God's heer, Sean John Caldera,

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<v Speaker 2>he is the for some god forsaken reason they let

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<v Speaker 2>him be in charge at the Independence Institute.

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<v Speaker 3>It's worth Oh by the way, Yeah, I loved your

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<v Speaker 3>Last Man show.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean on the Independence Institute's YouTube channel, John, Is

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<v Speaker 2>that what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. I mean IV three, No, I

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<v Speaker 1>did not know it was on that station. Actually, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a kick to watch you and Deborah Floor go uh

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<v Speaker 1>talk about different things. It's been a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, my friend, I'll talk to you soon.