Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me
covering Dungeon Crawler Carl chapters thirteen through twenty. In these chapters,
we are having to deal with a lot of different terrible,
new to us creatures, but also some very familiar creatures
human beings, especially shocker cops who could have seen this coming.
Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to the show everyone. I
am Natasha. Thank you very much to Michael for commissioning
this episode. And Michael is here in the chat today.
Oh and Dan came, Hi Dan again. Yeah. So this section, guys,
is riddled with some wild stuff. I had a good
time with this, and it feels like we are definitely
heading in the direction I was expecting. I am going
to point these things out as we go. But there's
a constant through line that repeats that I think probably
a lot of you are picking up on also. And
it starts because I like, actually went back and I
re listened to the beginning of the book with my
husband the other day because I thought he would really
enjoy it. And we've just gotten up to the part
where we read the boss battle, but he hasn't actually
gone inside yet, and so I'm kind of like, we'll
see how he acts that. But something that Mordecai says
is like, this is my last show, and after this one,
I'm free to do what i want. After this, I'll
be a fully fledged citizen. So I'm just going to
put that there to reference a little bit later. Let's
begin with chapter thirteen. So we start off with Carl
and Donut heading towards the body of this other crawler.
And it was a real fun moment because in the
audiobook Lutible Corpse Crawler, Rebecca Rebecca W Level three killed
by crawler Frank Q, and I love the line. I
felt as if I was slack because that was almost
exactly the reaction that I also had. It was sort
of remarkable, actually, because I shouldn't be prepared for people
to turn on each other, but I really thought that
would take longer. I really thought that we would have
our people turning on each other once we got past
a certain point and there were fewer of us and
we began to see each other as competing for resources
in a more real way. I never thought it would
happen this soon, and I should. I should have known better.
I really should. And then to like re emphasize their cops.
As we find out later, I mean, if you don't
already know how I feel about police in our country,
I don't like want to get into a whole thing,
but I think that they are sociopathic trash who think
they are better than the rest of the population and
are on power trips and our bullies and our low
key just like a tool of fascism, not even low key,
it's high high key, fucking totally. So for the first
people to turn on other human beings to be cops,
it feels like absolutely correct, just dead on pun into it.
So let us get into this because Dona, of course,
at first tries to be like, I'm not to scare
this guy. And there's an interesting moment here where Carl
is trying to find Frank on his map, or not
really Frank specifically, because I don't think you can do
that unless they're in your party, but you can see
blue dots and he's trying to see if they're any
near him, And even as he's look he's wondering, is
it possible for them to hide from me? Like I
don't really know how this completely works, and they may
be there, and I just can't tell, which is unnerving him.
Christ another thing to worry about. A crazy asshole with
a gun. I was suddenly, inexplicably reminded of that day,
the last day I ever saw my father. You're a bully.
You're a bully, and nobody likes you. It's why mom left.
I was expecting him to get angry to hit me,
but he never hit me, not once. The man just
laughed and laughed, and that was enough. I don't need
you to like me, but you will respect me. The
memory came quickly out of nowhere. I didn't know why.
Nobody had died that day, Nobody had been hurt at all,
not physically. So the fact that this happened right after
a crazy asshole with a gun leads me to believe.
Because there's a point earlier where he mentions how his
mother used to lock him in the basement to keep
him away from his father and his dad's friends because
they would drink and start to really act up. And
my interpretation of this association is that his dad got
drunk and had a gun and was fucking around and
thought it was really funny and was trying to like
establish dominance somehow in a moment and this is this
kind of got to me a little bit. Guys, I'm
gonna admit because my father was a similar type. I
don't I don't want to call him a bully, because
a bully is somebody who really enjoys this, and I
don't think that my dad really did. But he was
definitely the type of person who never actually, like physically
lashed out, but would make it clear that he was
having to strain himself, and so there was always a
threat of violence in the air. And eventually once he
did lose it. But I got myself behind a door
and he broke the door in half. I don't know
what he would have done if I hadn't gotten behind
that door. And it was like the I don't need
you to like me, but I will respect me in
a vacuum. I actually think that's fair, you know. I
don't think it's a great approach, but I could see
why you would take it. But there are people who
really seem to think that being liked means that you
are somehow weak or compromising yourself. And I'm just really
kind of fascinated at Carl's reaction to this moment, being
this memory in combination with his mother trying to protect
him from his father, who he admits here never actually
did hit him, because there is something about the threat
being there even when the action isn't there that is
so much. It's so manipulative. It's a really different kind
of threat and mental fuckery that I think a lot
of men think. Because they're not hitting, it's not as bad.
It's like excusable. Actually, maybe it points out what a
good guy they are because they haven't raised their hand
to you, and so all the other shit they're pulling
is nothing because it's not like they hit you. And
because the bar for men is on the fucking floor
beyond the bar for men is a tavern in hades,
they really often will believe that as long as I
am not beating the shit out of you, I deserve
a fucking cookie. So I'm just gonna be sitting here
waiting for more info on his father and what that
guy was like, because I feel like that's going to
be informing some things probably, So anyway, the uh. There's
a moment here where Dona is insisting that the woman
was killed by a cocker spaniel with a gun, and
he has to point out that like that she isn't
able to even fire a gun because of her being
a quadruped, and some imbecile with a gun doesn't scare me,
and they shouldn't carry scare you either. So he tries
to say, this guy doesn't scare me either, and then
it made me irrationally angry. In fact, I think you're right.
I want to find him if we can. Let's stick
to the neighborhood. We'll hunt down the remaining red dots.
Then we'll go back to the safe room and watch
the premiere. You're not scared of that guy, really, no,
not at all. Well, then you're crazy. I don't like
you being crazy. I'm scared of him. We need to
stay away from him. What if he'said one of those
murder hoboes you hear so much about. Just two seconds
ago you said, and I quote some in this cell
with a gun doesn't scare me. Yeah, that's when I
thought you were being a pussy. I didn't realize you
were getting all Charles Bronson death wish on me. So
that was interesting. Her just trying to, like, you know,
get him psyched up because she doesn't understanding like the
headspace that he's in. And it's funny because initially I
think he was sort of just overwhelmed at how awful
this is a woman being killed by another person. But
the memory of his father comes back to him, and
it seems like he is definitely feeling away about this
man that is motivated by personal experience. So we go
to chapter fourteen and we get the premiere of Dungeon
Crawler World Earth. So first of all, these beings can
like go virtually into the scene and experience it in
a way, which is apparently not like super popular, but
it is an option. Many viewers didn't like the VR versions,
so they watched using a method where they had a
bird's eye view and they could zoom in and out
and angles and switch angles at a whim. We didn't
have any of that. The show streamed on the center
of the three televisions over the fast food counter, and
there were there four just over four million when we start.
This is not a good way to watch the show,
Tally announced. As the title appeared on the screen, the
screen jerked around like I was watching someone play a
game on Twitch. The view kept randomly zooming in and out,
sometimes focusing on nothing in particular, sometimes lights flash for
no reason, And I thought that this was sort of interesting,
the idea that, like the view that for whom it
matters most, the players, that they are not granted a
view of what's really happening. I feel like this is
a metaphor that, you know, there's sometimes lights flash for
no reason, zooming in on nothing in particular. It's feeling
a little bit like we're trying to disorient you on
purpose so that you don't know or sympathize with, or
have like a plan, you know what I mean. Just Also,
there is an orange hued four eyed lizard like creature,
so it turns out that they are very alien like.
I was sort of thinking that maybe the creatures would
make themselves look like the creatures within the game to
sort of be a cohesive theme for the overall like
look of this season of the show. But it turns
out that it is not how they're doing this. So
there's the Squim Conglomerate Battle for the planet aarrol thousands
of furry gorilla like creatures screaming and rushing into a
battle against a group of similar creatures. Later, it showed
a single heavily armored gorilla stick a spear into the
throat of a smaller, gray colored gorilla riding a massive
pig thing. The word winner appeared on the screen. The
winning gorilla fell to his knees and appeared to start
sobbing before the screen cut away. A round metal two
but that looked like a barrel appeared on the screen
for fifteen seconds straight. There was no sound. Tally said
it was a commercial, which that's wild, But it's interesting
to see these other creatures and the way their fight
is done, because apparently there's like, you know, different ways
that they will set these up. So that one was
more of a colosseum and the oh my god, I'm sorry, guys,
I'm losing track of where the spot is here it is.
Next came a view of Earth. Music swelled, and they
show all of these, like, first of all, diagrams of humans,
and it's so weird, he says, a discussion of human
anatomy with an enorm inordinate amount of time spent discussing
discussing male testicles and female ovaries. And I was just like,
you could just say testicles and ovaries. That was a weird.
Why would you? Next came a long line of shots
of Earth focusing mostly on urban areas. And it's interesting
when he says, I still couldn't understand most of what
the commentator was saying. I was sort of like, are
the testicles and overaries going to turn out to be? Like?
Is that going to be a hint that something else
is going on here? And he just couldn't understand well
enough to tell. And of course this is when they
do the thing that also white people do about like Africa,
where they'll show all of the worst parts of a place,
and you know, I have no doubt that Sarah McLaughlin
music is probably playing over this entire montage, but you know,
they were cherry picking the shittier parts of the planet,
and they even chose scenes from disaster movies. And I
love how incredibly gullible Doughnut is. This is definitely it's
kind of funny that she has this real like power
in her own charisma and ability to talk people into stuff,
but also apparently has like no ability to protect her
herself from that regarding others. And so yeah, she's like,
I didn't really, I didn't realize Earth sucks so bad,
Oh my god, And he's like, that's not how it is,
not his was the world is gone. They're making it
look like they're the good guys saving us from ourselves.
So then we see some of the other people coming in,
thousands of people and there are like trampling one another
to get inside because like, obviously it was the middle
of the night for him, and so most of the
people in his area were inside and asleep. But on
the other side of the world, it's gonna have been
the middle of the day, so more people are probably
going to be outside. Also, in different climates, people are
going to be you know, they won't have a roof
over their head necessarily, and let's see and they okay, yeah,
there's different groups of people that they show and of
course eventually when things end, Dona is really offended because
they weren't featured, and she felt like their boss battle
was so awesome and intense that they definitely deserved to
show up. And I think that she just overestimates how
intense their battle was. You know, it's not a cinematic, frankly,
to have like one dude also beating the shit out
of like an old fat lady while a cat just watches.
You've got ten people all shooting at once at a
pile of mouths and eyeballs. That's a lot more interesting
to watch, probably, But you know, Dona always thinks that
she is the most fascinating thing in the room, so
it's fine. I'm sorry if you can hear my dog
drinking water like a maniac. So let me get another announcement. Uh.
You'll be getting these announcements after each episode. A couple
quick patch notes the firefinger spell should be safe to cast. Now.
We fix the hallway bathroom bug, so if you open
the door and someone else enters there, they will no
longer explode. Sorry about that reminder, hallway bathrooms are personal
spaces and can't be shared. We also fix the unlimited
toilet paper bug. Now you're only getting one roll per floor,
so if you waste it, you're on your own. One
roll per floor when the floors can last for days
and days. I don't feel like that's adequate, especially with
the situation that people are going to be in eating
God knows what you want to be prepared for more
than that, in my opinion. We have a long list
of fixes with a new inventory system for right now.
The two big ones we've already patched are that you
can no longer transport mobs to your inventory in order
to kill them. Also, any momentum and item might have
while it entered the inventory will no longer be preserved.
It's now safe to extract items you put into inventory
while moving at a high rate of speed. Remember this
inventory system is a privilege and it's not meant to
be used as a weapon. While we love and admire
your creativity, any unintentional exploits will be patched, So if
you find something that has an unintended feature, don't get
too comfortable using it. And then she talks about how
they're starting a new thing where if people go downstairs
to the next floor too early, they will be put
in stasis and they will be kept there until after
other people get to go down. So even if you've
got to the stairs first, technically you aren't going down
until after the other people have art, So you aren't
helping yourself at all. And not only that, the whole
like the way that it all emphasizes viewership and patrons,
you are going to lose a lot of support if
you go into stasis, because people are going to lose
interest in you. I really love this for a particular
personal reason so I don't know how many people listening
to this are also online creators. If you are, you
are going to get exactly what I'm talking about instantly.
But there is something that has happened over the past
three years, I would say, really that has changed utterly
the way that being an online creator works. I was
making over one thousand dollars a month more than I
am now in twenty twenty one, and a lot of
that was due to the pandemic making it so that
people had a lot of extra income that they weren't
using on going out and stuff, and so they were
throwing it at projects that were getting them through. But
also we hadn't had this kick of inflation that we
have had that has made so many people have to
buckle down. And there's another thing that has happened, the
change in how algorithms work, which has made it so
that if you are a creator and a certain type
of video explodes that you make. Let's say you're somebody
who paints and you normally do a variety of types
of painting and for whatever reason, this one video that
you posted of painting a D and D miniature goes viral.
Normally you have a wide variety of different videos that
you post, but this one thing goes viral and that
starts to be all anybody asks for. And when you
don't post anything about like that's similar, your views drop
and then your income drops. So what do you do?
You start to do what the algorithm is pointing out
people want, and doing mostly D and D miniatures, even
though that's not really the point of what you were
trying to do. It's not something you particularly enjoy. And
not only do you have to do the thing just
to get the views, but you also have to make
sure that you're always posting, otherwise you fall off people's
feed entirely. If people don't post for like, you know,
a week at a time, the algorithm starts to deprioritize
their posts totally, and it gets really really difficult for
creators because they want to post a satisfying video, but
they also have to make sure that their project gives
them enough footage that they can make several videos out
of it in order to cover that between time. So
all of this to say that you have to be
so careful how much you dole out, how well edited
that is, and how satisfying it is to keep people
wanting to watch you, and you don't get to do
just what you are moved by anymore. You don't get
to create based on what you are good at or
what you enjoy. You have to create based on what
the algorithm decides to show people. And it changes completely
your relationship to your own work. It changes your relationship
to your fans too, because people who have chosen to
follow you don't necessarily see your work because once they
follow you, you get buried. So it's like you stop
having that relationship with people that recurringly show up in
your comments, and it starts to be lots of strangers
who are seeing your work for the very first time
because this reeal went viral and it just popped up
in there for you on TikTok, or it popped up
in the real section on a Facebook. And this means
that you don't get to foster the kinds of one
on one relationships with fans that leads to them deciding
to financially support you, whether it's buying your work or
becoming a patron, a patreon or whatever. So it takes
a lot of the like personal connection out of it.
It takes a lot of the joy out of it
for creators, and it makes it so that if you
are not constantly creating and constantly posting, you disappear and
nobody cares about you, or if they do care about you,
it takes a while for them to realize why they're
not seeing you anymore, and then they have to like
opt into that, even though they already followed you, which
most of them thought was them opting in. It doesn't
work like that anymore. Now you have to click see first,
or you know, any number of other ways that you
can handle it. So it's really difficult because if you
don't try to appease the algorithm, then your work begins
to slide further and further under the radar. And I
had I think, like thirty five hundred likes on Facebook,
and I was getting an average of thirty five views
per post. I was like, it was like one percent,
half a percent. It was insane. They wanted to charge
me to show my posts when that was supposed to
be the point of their whole platform, And I just
gave up on it, and eventually they deleted my Facebook page.
I restarted it, but now I'm sort of feeling like
there's no point because if they're not going to show
anything anyway, then why am I going to waste my
time trying to specialize in a platform like appeasing that
platform when it's just such a vanishingly small number of
people that are even going to see it. Well, I
have basically almost entirely stopped using Facebook. I've post on
there automatically from things, but I am not there creating
for that, like platform and social media in general, I
have sort of given up on I post so that
people will see updates on stuff, but I am not
really very engaged, which I know is like the antithesis
of what people think our methods should be as online creators.
But it's not valuable to me anymore because it doesn't
show anybody or you know, Like, So what works now
for me is to be in my discord or to
post things like on the free level on Patreon to
inform people, encourage people to come to Patreon and become
a free level fan, because for those who don't know,
you don't have to be pay to become a fan
on Patreon, Patreon, dot com, slash and spoiled. You can
sign up for free and I will post like updates
there so that if you were missing all the updates
on Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, on Patreon, you're guaranteed
to get those updates because you have specifically opted in
and they don't mess with the algorithm. So anyway, all
this to say, I really love that. Like the angle
that this is all taking is so different with the
Hunger Games. The way that they play it in that
is very much based on like a Survivor TV show model,
where you are like there's zooming in on you personally.
There's a sort of like process beforehand where you're interviewed
and people get to know you, and it's a small group,
and there's like a type of it's out of your
hands quality that you can appeal to the camera, but
a lot of that stuff isn't necessarily within your control.
And then here it's like it is a little bit
more in your control, but it man's things of you
that are unreasonable or unhealthy. So like you can't descend
to the next floor without incurring a penalty of losing
followers and going into stasis and then losing your lead.
But what if you're really injured and you have to
or what if you're cornered and the floor is right there,
and that's the only way out. They want you to
stay active and in danger for as long as you
can to generate interest, regardless of what is best for you,
just so that you can hopefully have somebody send you
a fucking can of soup in the next floor. Like
that's exactly what it feels like all the time to
be an online creator, and it's like so exhausting, you guys.
I am really lucky with the kind of support that
I have on Patreon because it is a lot more
stable than what many people have, but it still has
flu Like I said, I'm making one thousand dollars less
per month now than I was. That has caused me
to have to make a lot of big adjustments in
my life and have a lot of anxiety that I
wasn't having a few years ago, and file for bankruptcy
and you know, like there's just what when your income
is up to the whims of people who are like
just using their disposable income, it can be really tough.
And it's sort of funny because like, I'm not really
that much more at the whim of anybody than a
lot of people in the workforce. I like everybody is
at will in the United States, you could be fired
for any reason. So there's an illusion of security to
having a different kind of job, but really when you
come down to it, it's not any more secure, like
not really. So anyway, this like whole thing is just
really it's very it's like obviously dialing things up to eleven,
but it's really feeling very familiar in a way that
is so depressing. And I could see this whole system
being even more like punitive and targeted, and it would
still feel very real to me because like there's you know,
the whole thing with like oh well, Larrence listening, but
they're not always listening, so you just have to be careful.
The way. This is also a thing with algorithms. People
were like not able to talk about Palestine. If they
posted the word Palestine, all of their shit was getting
shadow band. So that was when it turned into people
just posting the watermelon emoji because those are the Palestinian
flag colors, and that was like the way to get
around your shit just getting completely taken because basically it
was either the algorithm being like we don't want people
talking about Palestine flat out because we're Zionists, or political
shit makes people sad and depressed and disengages with the platform,
and we don't want that. So it was just sort
of like the certain language that you used. You had
to be careful because they might not notice it, but
if they do, it's going to really affect everything that
you post from there on, and then you have to
work from practically scratch to get your views back. Yeah,
and sorry, Michael Is in the chat. Mordecai referred to
it earlier when you talked about how warn't changed things
so people weren't starving to death pooping on screen because
that isn't interesting to watch. Got to keep it entertaining.
You can be fired for any reason, but your health
insurance is dependent on your job, so you can't walk
away easily. Exactly exactly, So I'm so sorry, guys. I'm
like half an hour in and I've gotten like barely
into this. I'm so sorry. But eventually we get to
a spot where we're fighting slimes, which was very fun
for me as somebody who had just recently been talking
about playing Stardi Valley. So those are not great for
him because he has a lot of exposed skin, so
he can't fight those, and they have to turn around.
I love that we are using the text chat and
Donut has gone full boomer and is posting in there constantly,
even though they can actually just talk to each other,
and she's also doing it in all caps all the time,
and he has to be like, can you please fucking stop?
And eventually they go into Goblin territory. And this is
such a like. The whole way that this works is
so different from what I was expecting. So first of all,
Donut's charisma is so insane that even though Carl initially
is like pissing them off to the point that they're
ready to attack him, despite him having this Goblin pass,
she is able to immediately get everybody to chill and
work with them, and he meets Shamanka level seven a
fancy way of saying female shaman. Goblin Shamans are the
leader class, second only to war chieftain or more rarely,
Goblin warlord. They are without humor and are said, as
part of their training to have to pick two of
the following three actions in order to graduate Shamanka University.
They have to fuck, cook, and or eat their own parents.
Most don't pick cook, yikes. So Donut comes in and
basically it starts being like, oh, sweetie, the piercings, really
is this because they need to eat your parents? Like?
What is going on? Is this a daddy issue? And
gets this character the Goblin, to break down, and the
way that she starts talking, I started to realize, like, oh,
these beings don't want to be here either. The whole
way that this is like set up. I kind of thought, obviously,
we already know that Mordecai doesn't want to be here,
but it feels like there is a family sort of
tie between these people, as if they are actually related
to each other, and not all of them individually playing
parts like they're in a play. I can't leave the chieftain.
He's terrible, soft even but he's still leader of my clan,
my family. Even if I could go with you, I
wouldn't be able to leave this floor. If we climb
down the stairs, we die. You get halfway down and
your body just dissolves. I've seen it myself. I know
where on the first floor there are smart mobs like us,
and there are not so smart mobs. The floor collapses,
but it is only you who dies when this happens
for us, we go to sleep until the next dungeon opens.
We will open our eyes and it will be the
same as it has been, just another day. But one
of these days, one of these days, we will wake
up and we will be deeper. That's what they tell us.
Kill the crawlers get better at killing, and you get
to go deeper, and one day, eventually we will be
so deep that the crawlers will never come and we
will finally have peace. We will have peace and a
place to live and breed and have our little ones
run free and not worry about killing for survival. So hi,
that's never going to happen. This is all Everybody has
their little fairy tale about how eventually, if they just
work hard enough, they'll get to the place where they
don't have to worry anymore. It's the lie that we
are all sold in the US, especially like I think
there are other places where maybe this is something that
can happen for you, and that's I'm so jealous, I
can't even speak on it. But in the United States,
you are never safe unless you reach a point of
such incredible wealth that it's almost unthinkable for like the
vast majority of us. When we talk about the one percent,
it's like very literal. So you know, you can be
somebody who is fairly comfortable and then guess what you
get sick. You get the certain kind of sick, the
wrong kind. I'm so sorry, but your savings gone. It's
a wrap for you house. Good luck. I hope you
already owned it by the time you got sick. Like
there's just people really do seem to think if they
reach a certain point that they are out of the
reach of happenstance and circumstances like affecting them. And it's
just a lie because everybody wants to believe that they
have more control than they do, and that the people
out there who are doing poorly are only doing poorly
because of their own mistakes and not because the entire
system is rigged from the start to fuck you. And
it is so this entire like this this narrative that
everybody is functioning within that eventually you get to a point.
It's like he's been told if you get to level
eighteen and nobody's ever gotten past thirteen, you know, like
that's the metaphor. Man, it's so unlikely that nobody has
ever done it, and yet we still act like it's
a goal that is reachable and that we should throw
others under the bus to achieve it, because that is
what winds up happening later, is they decide that they're
going to loot the place. It's so devastating, you guys,
because like, when we get to that point, I really thought, man,
he could just fucking take all their shit right now.
That would be so fucked up. And then they literally
do it, and it was like me sitting there kind
of going, I guess you gotta do what you have
to do. But I was thinking about how when I
play video games, I often don't have the heart to
do this sort of thing because I can't bear being
this shitty. And it's like you can justify it to
yourself by being like, well, it's the game. But like
after she spoke like that, for me, they became a
real like they became a real community. And so later
when it's like, oh my god, there were children in
there that we blew up, honestly, I feel like you
should have felt like this already because whether or not
that children were in there, you took all of their
possessions that were worth anything. That's still affecting these children.
They are still getting totally screwed by what you're choosing
to do. But the truth is, it's not even about
your choice. It's about the fact that you guys were
pitted against each other from the beginning, which is the
responsibility of the group that is in charge of this game.
So you are seeing one another as the enemy here.
And if you just didn't and decided that you were
going to somehow manage to work together, this could maybe
go a different way. But the thing is, if you
can't leave the floor with that evapora reading into like
the atoms of yourself, how much can you really do?
What kind of change can you possibly affect? So it's
just this fucking loop, you know. So let's see, I'm
trying to find the spot here. He decides that he
is going to trade some stuff for a some sort
of contraption that he can ride, and eventually the only
thing that they are prepared to trade for that they
get very excited about is the meth from the bad Lama,
which they know instantly as they taste it that it's
made in the dungeon. I don't know how they can tell,
but they do. And when they like, set this deal
that you give us the thing, and we'll tell you
where we got it. And so once they tell them,
that's when all of them go hariring off after the
bad lamas saying I fucking knew it. I knew they
were holding out on us because apparently they've been over
there before and for some reason, and the Lumbas just
didn't want to do business with them somehow. This I'm
trying to find here. It is two wheels, solid and black,
made of some unknown material. The seat appeared to be
an alligator's skull with white fur lining the top, giving
the impression the skull was wearing an Andy warhol wig.
The engine sat in the middle of the chest is
thumbing a thumping. A hopper extended from the engine, opening
up near the handlebars. I would have to periodically toss
a lump of coal in there. What about the water?
And how do I turn it off? It's a permacube,
won't run out until you die of old age. You
don't turn it off. Just let it run out of coal.
Toss in a lump and it'll start on its own
after a minute. We don't use the lesser demons to
run our steam engines like some do. This is just
as good, and the baby will outlast you. He slapped
the side of the bike and the handlebars fell off.
I really do enjoy this, so he is able to
lift it and put it in his inventory, and it
has to ask about the pressure, et cetera, et cetera.
I'm sure all of this is going to come back
to bite him at some point, but I'm not gonna
worry about it right now. And the fucking like Lorelei
has gotten high on this meth and is trying to
like hook up with Carl, Donut says as amusing as
I find it to watch Karl disappoint yet another woman,
which is so incredibly devastating because we know that she
was like around and maybe is telling me exact truth.
And I don't know how he is able to shake
that off so easily because I would be very, very
distracted by that line. So did we just start a
metha war between the goblins and the Lamas? Yes, we did,
just like I planned. It went pretty well, don't you think,
just like I planned? Get the fook out of here, Donut.
I would love to believe you, girly, but we all
know that you are full of shit, So it's fine.
So this this is when he says, we need to
loot everything and then we kill the chieftain. So what
they do is put a bunch of like bombs, basically
using this fun powder as they call it, on a
cart that they roll into the boss room, and just
as he rolls it in a huge, ugly goblin. My word,
he was sitting down reading a book. Blow it, Blow
it good. I jammed the button. There sure were a
lot of babies in there too, Doughnut said, in the
last moment before the blast. Were there really babies in there,
like goblin babies? Oh? Yes, there were a bunch of them.
I only saw them for but a moment, but they
were quite cute. Some of them were wearing little oversized
jackets like baby Yoda. Adorable. I think you hit that
one with the cart. There were old ones and pregnant
ones too. Did you see your level? We're both level eight.
Now you're welcome. And he is just like absolutely losing
it over this. He gets all of these achievements and
he's like, I do not want to click on those.
I don't even want to know, and Donut is like,
I don't get it. They're fucking goblins. Why wouldn't you
want to kill them? And she says, what kind of
vile monster sticks babies in the boss room? M you
know who? You know who? The workshop had been completely obliterated.
All that was left was blackened rubble, and it looks
like there is no like loot here because of how
bad the damage is. We probably should have taken all
of the coal from that pile, not just half of it.
We're not getting to that dead boss now. I was relieved.
I wanted that map, but not as much as I
didn't want to go in there. I didn't want to
see the dead babies and other goblins. I felt sick
thinking about it. So then chapter nineteen, New achievement, You monster,
and I love this. I know you would probably telling
you about this is all the children mobs who die
within this dungeon don't actually perish. They're transferred to a
holding area where they're safe and treated nicely and gently
until they can be reunited with their loving parents. Feel better.
Good reward these past twenty seconds when your conscience started
to ease, That was your reward. It was also a lie.
That baby is dead, and it's dead because of you.
You're totally going to hell, you've also received a bronze
Assholes Box new Achievement War Criminal. You have killed more
than twenty non combatants in a single attack. Ooh grim. Yeah,
there's so much here that I was like, as soon like,
as soon as he starts being like, they don't actually die,
I was like, the fuck they don't. Don't you start.
I didn't even think that the AI was going to
tell him that it wasn't a lie. I just assumed
it was a lie. And then when it's like reward
that twenty seconds where you felt and I was like, oh, okay,
they are just going to say it okay. So they
continue fighting these weird Ravioli things, and then they find
another safe room and there's three million, five hundred thousand
and ninety four left, so it's like dropped by four
hundred and ten thousand people since or yeah, since the
last time they checked. So there are cookies and doughnut eats.
One and gets a plus nine to eight being parted
with her. I received the other point two experience. So
this is a little clue that I didn't pick up
on later on. I knew it was significant when he
pointed it out, but I didn't get why, and then
when he explains it, I was like, oh, duh, okay, yeah.
So they have about six hours until the next episode,
and he is getting some skill upgrades regarding handling explosives
and getting more information when he picks things up, and
I love that. Eventually, Donut gets an award that involves
a tattoo, and she's just like, this is a disqualifying mark,
and I'm like, girl, there is nothing to qualify for anymore.
She really just seems to think that this is like
an interlude and she's going back to her own life,
Sweetie and Desperado pass. Holding a Desperado Pass negates the
ability to obtain a Vanquisher pass. That was it. It
didn't explain anything about what the hell that meant and
enchanted Fay scale quadruped crupper of the fleet. Is that
a fucking mouthful by the gods? Plus two to dexterity.
It was my turn. I also received a ton of
crap potions dyning in my lighter, smoke bombs, a couple
more scrolls of confusing fog. I received no pants or shoes.
I got the exact same items from the two asshole boxes,
though my tattoo appeared on my goddamn neck. I couldn't
even see it, but it burned as it was magically applied.
It's a dagger dripping blood. Donut said, my word, it is?
It is it ghastly And I have to mention that,
like he receives no pants or shoes, and this is
sort of reminding me again of the algorithm thing for earlier,
where it's like you don't necessarily pick a thing, but
it becomes like what you're known for, because that's how
it goes viral. I wouldn't be surprised if Dungeon Crawler Carl,
like the whole series, he just hasn't got pants because
now he's the no pants guy. That's what people know
him for. Like not that they they haven't started that
part at where people are watching him obviously, but like
I think that is how it's going to go for him,
and it's going to be bad for his brand at
a certain point to get shoes or to get pants
or something. And that's exactly what it's like. You fall
into something in the algorithm, and this is what you
do now. This is your life now, even though you
had no interest and didn't want it, it's what people
were like connecting with for some reason that day, and
now this is there's just no going back on it.
So they go and take a nap. She's purring up
against him and he gets woken by the next episode
day two, and I love this donut has to go
take a pee, so she leaves, and then as she
comes running back in, she says, he's in the bathroom,
the women's bathroom. The killer, the guy who killed Rebecca.
W How surely I would have noticed it the moment
I woke up. I'd gotten used to keeping one eye
on the map. I was always looking out for others.
Crawler Frank Q. That was him, all right, come on,
I said. I pushed my way toward the side hallway.
We met in the hall, the man stepping out of
the restroom, smiling apologetically. We came to a stop just
a few feet away from one another. And description of
him sounds like a fucking cop. The he had three skulls.
I knew exactly what the skulls were going to indicate
before I focused on them. Crawler killer times three. I
suddenly felt very cold. Sorry, I didn't mean to startle
your cat. He had an authoritative voice. It's definitely a
cop or some sort of law enforcement. They taught you
to speak that way in training. This is a cat right.
I thought if I slept in the bathroom, nobody could
sneak up on me. I didn't realize the bathrooms in
the safe areas were different than the ones out in
the hallways. As soon as he said that, I was like, one,
you are a liar, and two, if you think people
can sneak up on you in here, then you don't
know how the safe room works. And that proves to
be true later on, which brings up another interesting issue
that I want to talk about in a little bit.
But yeah, he like, I thought it worked like the
ones out in the hallway. So clearly that's how he
has been like jumping people, I think is by hiding
out in the bathroom. So Carl was right to worry
about whether or not being able to see a blue
spot meant that there was anybody there or not, Like,
that's not necessarily going to be something that is a
guaranteed way to tell. Let's see, if that was true,
then we'd have been asleep when we'd arrived. So he
uses his messenger to ask Donut and the thing that
he has figured out how to do is use that
messenger between party members without actually having to move his
hands to quote type. So this is what we find
out later, something that Frank has not figured out how
to do. I never saw your dot on the mini map.
You don't see the icons of sleeping crawlers. Have you
ever met someone outside your party sleeping in a safe room?
Their bodies become translucent if you touch them, your hand
moves right through them. And as soon as you said that,
I was like, and why would you know that? Because
you tried to touch people who were asleep. That's interesting
and not great, Like there was just a lot he
says here, and then he immediately are you from Seattle?
Like that's all within the one paragraph, with the transition
into a whole new subject. And I think it's because
he is realizing maybe if you over explain it and
you you may give yourself away distract them with another thing,
like the whole way that he answering questions, it's all
highly suspect. My alarm bells were going off like crazy here,
so he says, it's not what it looks like with Rebecca.
I didn't have a choice. I can explain it wasn't
just her. There were five of them. My partner got one,
I got three, and you would not believe the thing
that killed the fifth guy. Can you please put down
your cat? Put me down? That's not what he meant.
Donnu chill. That cracked me up. So they go into
the other room allegedly to watch the show. But everything
is very, very tense, so clean. The claim that Frank
is making is that him and this woman worked for
Customs Enforcement, which means he works for ICE. If you
work for ICE, if you're listening to this, quit, If
you don't want to quit, stop listening to the podcast.
I don't want you. Like if you were for that organization,
I don't know how you live with yourself. Like it's
as simple as that. And there was this like warehouse
of workers, and then when everything collapsed, it disappeared, and
there were people who had been outside. Frank and his
partner identified themselves, and everyone just started shooting at each other.
Oh right, A bunch of immigrants who were working in
a warehouse all had guns on them, Like, what are
you fucking talking about? Like it just the story makes
no sense. Five of the others for reasons, he said
he couldn't fathom followed them in. He went on to
recount a firefight in the hallway. It's the most far fetched,
convoluted shit. It's absolutely goofy, and Dona is eating it up,
like the way that she She's literally crying and talking
about how like, I'm so sorry about your partner. He shrugged.
I appreciate that he went up and grabbed a as
soon as like, he says, I appreciate that with a shrug.
I'm sort of like, I feel like you would be
more emotional. And then he just goes and eats after
telling this terrible story, like his whole attitude is wrong.
Everything is wrong. He ate it and the plus nine
point eight XP notification dinged over his head. Again. I
knew that meant something, but I wasn't getting what it
just I was picking it up from other things that
he was full of shit. Since you guys eluded the
ones you killed, I don't suppose you have any pants
that might fit me in that bag of years. Sure,
if you don't mind wearing the clothes of a dead man.
So I love this. Carl is explaining via text to
Donut while they're talking to this guy. His suspicions and
that he is full of shit. I think there's somebody
else in here waiting to jump us. So he gives
Carl some pants. It's very clear from the jump that
they're going to be too small. But the point isn't
for him to give away something Carl can use. The
point is to distract Carl while he changes so that
this guy can jump him. So he thinks Carl meanwhile
is using this as his ploy to get them to
do their attack, so that they can defend themselves and
will not defend themselves, let the room defend them. So
and he tells Donut, We're like, they're gonna jump us,
and when they do, I don't want you to fight
back at all, Like you've just got to trust me
on this. And I remembered it being mentioned that, like
you can't do shit to each other in the safe room,
like that was explicitly something Mordecai told them. So these
guys don't know that. And I saw the blue dot
appear in the bathroom hallway just as the woman emerged
from around the corner. At the same moment, Donut leaped
into the air with a panic yowl. As Frank pulled
his weapon from his inva Andy and fired at the cat.
The cat the woman pistol aimed directly at my head
also fired. Donut landed on the table with the cookies. Carl, Carl, help,
I'm here. We gotta go. We have less than two minutes,
and we go to him talking to Mordecai. Monsters can't
get into safe areas. What if I leave the door open?
Won't they wander in? Oh, they'll wander in. Always close
the door. If it's a mob, it'll teleport away the
moment it attacks you. But they'll trash the place too.
What if Donut doesn't turn into a monster, but she
also doesn't recognize me. She sometimes bites people she doesn't recognize.
Will she teleport away? No, it's different for crawlers. There's
no violence and no stealing in the safe rooms. It's
a strict, ironclad rule. You get three strikes. First time,
you freeze in place for about one hundred seconds, while
you get an automated lecture playing on playing nice. The
second time it's for an hour. The third time you're
stripped of all your gear and teleported into a mob.
Nest I really want them to try this three times.
I think they won't, but I would love it if
they just like didn't get the fucking picture, you know.
I mean, there's nothing to be gained by trying again
if you get frozen once. I don't see them doing
in another time. But maybe they will. I and so
like Dona is just like I don't understand how you knew.
And he doesn't have time to explain to her about
the whole thing with Mordecai. But yeah, so before he
rushed outside, it took a precious second to examine the
attributes of Maggie My, a white woman with close cropped
brown hair, metallic pants and boots, a leather jacket similar
to my own, though hers had both their sleeves. Maggie
my level nine race human class not yet assigned. She
had five skulls next to her name. Between her and Frank,
they'd killed eight people eight. They both had the ability
to go completely stealth. I doubted they had been sleeping
in the bathroom. They'd likely heard that explosion from earlier
and tracked us to the safe room. We left a
wake of dead rotstickers, a literal path of destruction. Frank
had said people turned translucent when they slept. Was that true.
It wasn't true for Donut, but she was in my party.
Maybe that they meant they had to sneak up on
us and kill us in our sleep, but when they
realized they couldn't, they'd gone to the bathroom to wait.
We jumped outside and I plodded a path to the
closest main artery. Why are we running? We can take them?
I don't know if we can, I said. They both
have guns. He's level eight, same as us, and she's nine.
Getting to nine is heart, so she probably has a
lot of skills. Besides, I really don't want to have
one of those skull markers by my name. Even if
they have it coming everyone else. We won't know that.
We'll never get anyone to talk to us. But if
we don't stop them, they'll hurt somebody else. I stopped
dead in the hallway. I looked at the cat. It
was a very undonut like thing to say, but worse,
it was the truth. So he is like really struggling
with this because he's right about the skulls next to
his name. I think that there would be a lot
of people that eventually are going to have that because
they just couldn't help but defend themselves. So there might
be some more like leeway later on, but I think
early in the game it's probably a bad thing. And
yet like they'll still try and get you because now
you've seen their faces, you can warn other people about
them if you make alliances, and if you see them,
they're not going to get the drop on you again,
like they kind of have to find you. Now I
feel like maybe not really have to, but like they
would have it out for you. It would be how
I would interpret them. I would also be doing this
just as a means of like giving myself some time
room to breathe. So he takes out a smoke bomb,
lights the wick and then adds it to the rats
inventory that he just killed, and then he goes to
pull it out and see and it remains lit. So
basically what he is doing is booby trapping the rat
because he knows that if they come across it and
it hasn't already been looted, they'll probably just loot it automatically,
because that's sort of what you do when you're playing
one of these games, is you just loot everything you kill,
and especially if you've got like an unlimited inventory, which
skyrom you do not have, which sucks balls, but this method,
I'm really curious, like how long it's going to take
before it goes off, because if they pull it out
and it's lit, it says emits a stinking cloud of
billowing multicolor smoke that lasts for three minutes before dispersing.
I don't know if like there's nothing about how long
it actually takes to go off. Discharge imminent thirty four
out of one hundred. Oh okay, so thirty four seconds left, right,
that's what that means out of one hundred, Like it
takes one hundred from when you light it and there's
only thirty four remaining I'm assuming, which I kind of
want him to take it out and let it go
until it's five and then put it back. I really
feel like we want it as close as possible because
I can't help but think that Frank and Meg are
suspicious types and that if they see you guys went
through here and you didn't loot this corpse, they're going
to feel like something is up and they'll throw this
and they won't be injured by it. Oh sorry, they're
saying durability, I think not time Rob says to build. Oh, okay,
so then that wouldn't matter, all right. Well, I stand
by the fact that I wanted him to like hold
this until the very last second and then put it in.
But and he's also really unclear on whether or not
this is going to do to give him that skull
next to his name after all, because this is a
very passive way to kill them, but it's still sort
of what he's intending. Is the game going to recognize
that or not? And I also like, what if it
only kills one of them, then they're going to have
to know it was you. And I thought they had
to come after you before, but I feel like after
that they really have like a grudge. So I get
doing it this way, and I don't think it's a
bad idea, but I'm just really not sure if it's enough,
you know, I don't know. And so this is when
Dona asks him, how did you know he was lying?
His whole story was bullshit. That Rebecca woman was a
level three. He said they'd gotten into the firefight right away,
but that couldn't be true. She had that Apple coret
in her inventory that meant she'd gone to a tutorial
guild and gotten her inventory turned on and then he
ate that cookie and I saw he received nine point
eight experience instead of ten, which meant he was in
a party with someone someone alive. Also, he had his
arm draped over the chair and I could see he
was twitching his finger. He was typing into the chat.
He hadn't figured out how to just use it with
his brain. So I really loved the mention too of
Rebecca and her level, because I didn't remember that, but
that also would have been a clear giveaway. And just
like the fact too that the woman was Asian, and
so he decides that he's going to go into this
whole thing with her having been like an immigrant working
in a factory. Like it's just such a fucking racist
approach to the story and everything. Just you know, I'm
really really kind of eager to see them again, just
because I want them to be taken care of, and
I have a feeling that we're going to be dealing
with them for a minute. I hate it. Uh, how
is it that you're James Bond when it comes to strangers,
But miss Beatrice could date three different guys at once,
and you had no idea three different guys. Well, you
were one of them. So two I guess. Then again,
it's three if you count Angel's owner. This account is
cheating when it's with another woman. There's so many human
nuances I don't understand. I love it. His girlfriend was
throwing it at everybody and he fucking had no idea.
Oh Carl, sweetie, I really hope that you got a
SDD checked recently because that shit yoicks. You were always
watching those videos on your iPad with the two women
rolling around and cleaning each other. Yeah, that's they were doing.
Oh god. So I have a couple of announcements. First off,
we want to assure everyone we have quashed all the
bugs with the new toilets. Both the exploding issue and
the unfortunate section issue with some of the units have
been resolved. There's absolutely no need to be afraid of them.
Those of you who have been using the hallway to
relieve yourselves please stop. We don't want to have to
start using punitive measures. A couple additional patch notes, We've
already added support for the languages that we're missing from
our library. So those of you who are hearing this
and finally understanding what we're saying, for the first time. Welcome.
You'll figure the rest out, I'm sure. Also with the languages,
we have implemented full cross support for native speech, so
now men are and speakers will understand English speakers and
so forth. The Pharaoh rabies d buff is now curable
with a health potion or a spell, and the contagion
is no longer airborne. Sorry about that. New Zealand, we
have removed the blender Fiend mobs. The mob's difficulty level
appear to be too high. Their collective gets stronger each
time they blend, and after working their way through a
group of fifteen thousand crawlers in a single day, we've
been forced to take actions to prevent a premature extinction.
Event rest assured they will be reintroduced on a lower floor.
The street Preacher neighborhood boss has been upgraded to a
burrow boss. In addition, we have tweaked the strength levels
of a few different other mobs, too many to mention here,
so just be aware of that. One last note, a
lot of crawlers are heading into the stairways prematurely. Again,
it's your choice, but it's probably best for you to
get as much experience as you can, and just so
you know for later, we won't feature you on the
recap episode if viewers can't tunnel into your feed. So
if you hit the stairs three or forties before a collapse,
you are going to miss out. That's it for now.
Keep up the good work and kill kill, Kill. So
this is something that I really want to address. We're
at the end of the chapter here, they get on
the bike and they start to drive away. But I
think it's really purposeful that this author decides everybody's tutorial
time was like maybe pretty different from one another's, and
people are working with a different amount of knowledge. Mordecai
has given our people enough that they know they cannot
be attacked in the safe room, and so they can
almost use it as a weapon against people who don't
know that. If you are given a tutorial and somebody
doesn't include information or you don't think to ask, this
is actually what it can be like playing a real
video game, because there are so many things that they
don't give you instructions on how to use. You have
to figure it out, or you can go to Reddit,
or you can go to the wiki for the game,
or you can there's tons of resources out there for
finding the answers, but not everybody plays that way or
knows that they're that information is out there. If there
are people who like aren't as tech savvy, it doesn't
occur to them. So there are so many ways that
you can like have advantages over other players without actually
intending to. It wasn't like you were trying to put
them at a disadvantage. But you went to a wiki
and you read up on a whole history of a
certain thing and how it gets used later, and so
now you know, if I get so much of this thing,
I should keep it because I need that for like
a really important potion. And they take forever to gather later,
so I don't want to give them away when somebody
else doesn't know that, And so they give theirs away
because they're worth a lot of money, so they sell them,
and then later on those things are like crucial and
now they have to fucking find them again, and it's
like a total pain in the ass and hours of
play to go back into the game to do that.
So what I keep thinking about is just how much
this is like life, because we don't all get the
same kinds of tutoring when we are young. We don't
all have parents who have the same levels of knowledge.
We don't all have parents who have the time to
be as involved with us as others are. We don't
have parents who for me, Like, my father didn't speak
English and that was a huge hindrance for me. My
mother had never graduated high school. I was in a
situation growing up where my parents were trying to do
the best for me because they knew their situations were bad,
but they didn't know what they didn't know. So they
were doing their best, but there was a lot that
they missed because they just weren't given that themselves as children,
and weren't. My mom had me when she was seventeen
years old, she got pregnant, so I like was born
to a fucking child and she did her fucking best,
God bless her. But like, it's a totally different way
of growing up if you have parents who are settled
and have stable jobs and have their own like stable
parents growing up, it's a totally different experience, and it's
really mimicking that in some ways. Everybody comes in here
in a different way. He came in from the cold
with almost no clothing on, so he's at this weird
disadvantage just because of how the weather happened to be
that night. And then there are other people who are
in a crowd and they get trampled just circumstantially because
of how many people were out at the same time.
And then this whole thing about all of the patches.
I don't know whether or not players who are killed
because of a fuck up in the coating if they
can bring them back, because they clearly can do a
lot with transforming you in this game. But I'm assuming
this early on that you're not getting brought back if
you are killed because of one of their fuck ups.
That just sucks for you. And yet again, another thing
they try and give you the illusion that you have
control in the game. We're giving you tools, we're giving
you instructions, you have this many goals, you know, like
all of this stuff. We're telling you how to play.
But then there's a million weird, fucked up problems in
the code itself that they are aware of, and they're
letting people play and just die anyway. They're fixing them,
but like people are dying in the meantime and it's
not like they're getting a second chance. It just sucks
for them. That's just their bad luck and they you know, again,
that's how it goes. We are told that we have
the tools and control to do, but then life just
fucking hits you sometimes. You know. I am like my husband,
he got COVID and is like his whole brain chemistry
changed and he is like a different person now than
he was and he's learning to cope and his energy
levels are finally improving. But it's been like three years
since got it and he's just starting to feel slightly better.
That was not something he had control over because we
had a pandemic and we didn't fucking do anything about it,
not really, And you know, like this shit just happens
the whole like, oh, well, we've made it so that
you can now like cure yourselves of this rabies thing.
Sorry it's not airborne anymore. I'm just saying all of
this is a really, really good metaphor, and I wonder
how many people reading this really get it. Like I'm
not trying to be condescending when I say that I'm
but my concern is so much of the time, you guys, know,
there will be properties that have the most in my opinion,
overt narratives of like this is clearly an analogy for
this and this is a metaphor for this thing, and
then people will just not get it at all, even
though they loved the series, bring up how it's like
this thing that's happening in current events, and they're like, what,
oh my god, why do you have to bring politics
into this game, into this movie. And it's like, that's
literally what it's about. What do you mean? So I
am very very interested in like seeing if there are
people out there who love this series and then get
like mad about the woke mob coming in. But obviously
for me, this is like my entire jam. This is
what I love, So I'm into it. So oh sorry.
Rob says, I wonder if Natasha ever listens to her
own takes once she's caught up on a series. No,
I have not. I never have, because if she doesn't,
she ought to. It's so fun to have knowledge of
what happens, and she is so clever. Oh thanks. Rom.
Michael says they could absolutely make the game non lethal
and still be fun to watch. People love watching Twitch streamers,
and the viewing interface here is way better, but it
is easier and provides more drama to let them die?
Why spend more money. True Dance says the critique of
capitalism is kind of the main theme of Dungeon Crawler. Carl, Yeah,
I'm getting this sense, and Michael says, I don't think
this is an accident by Matt. I'm pretty sure he
put as much thought into the politics that can be
interpreted from reading the series as you are getting out
of it. Yeah, I really like this can't And again,
the way that everybody he talks to when he's like, hey,
so are like when do you get out of here?
Or like how does this work? And there's always sort
of like eventually, I'll you know. He talks to Tilly
at one point, and I feel like I kind of
like skipped over that. But Tilly also describes how he
wasn't a player in the game, that that's not how
it is for everybody. Sometimes there are people who are
like told that we won't mind your planet if you
come with us and work for us, and so that's
what he did. I'm trying to find the Oh, yeah,
I don't like this. Last season's version of the game,
they break the people into groups, tell them their loved
ones will be safe if they kill others. Then everyone
kills each other. They are safe, but they are not safe.
Is better dead? Squim SAPs the planet dry. It leaves
planet moves on, no more atmosphere. People live after the
big fight, but they don't live, not really born. At
least gives people a chance. Tally's people had a chance,
and sometimes they come and offer to take people in
exchange for not mining world. They came and I went,
this was very long ago. He says, this is very
long ago. Mordecai said, like, that was a really, really
really long time ago. At one point, it seems pretty
clear to me that whatever agreement they're signing up for,
it's not like the timing of it isn't human time,
which just is very troubling. I don't care about that.
So Dan says, are you listening to the audiobook or
the audio drama version? Oh, the audiobook for sure. The
audio drama. I don't really love audio dramas. I totally
understand their appeal, but they often feel just kind of
goofy to me, you know, But this does seem like
a good series to do that with. So if it
were free for me to like, maybe they have a
sample of it on audible. I don't listened to it
just for the fun. Oh, Michael says, the audio drama
is a lot more expensive, and I don't recommend it
to anyone until they actually get into the series. They
are goofy, but that's part of the fun. Well, and
with this, I think maybe the goofy would work for it.
But there was one that I listened to a while
ago that was meant to be kind of like a
serious procedural detective thing, and it really just didn't fit
like the tone of what they were trying to do.
But this I think it might work anyway. Oh my god,
I'm so far over time. I really have to rep bump.
But I'm really enjoying this book so far, looking forward
to listening to more of it with my husband also.
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