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Speaker 2: It's been a wild week, be Pete. I don't know
Speaker 2: what your thoughts are on the news, et cetera, or
Speaker 2: the lack thereof or whatever.
Speaker 3: But what's going on? Man?
Speaker 2: Before we jump right to a couple of callers, we
Speaker 2: got on the line already.
Speaker 3: What's on your mind? First?
Speaker 4: Right off the bat, Well, you know, this week's been
Speaker 4: chaos and the news with everything coming out of DC.
Speaker 5: You know, we're gonna put a tariff here. We're gonna say, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna wait on this tariff, but no, we're gonna
Speaker 5: put that.
Speaker 6: One in place.
Speaker 4: Well, just a few headlines here that I've got right
Speaker 4: off the bat, dropping oil prices as a boost to
Speaker 4: the US economy, March defson unexpectedly tumbles to a five
Speaker 4: year low.
Speaker 5: I guess so if they're cutting everything, Trump's tariff pauses
Speaker 5: focus is trade war on China.
Speaker 4: Markets bounce, and the US inflation rate falls to two
Speaker 4: point four percent in March, lower than expected.
Speaker 5: But there's one other headline that really caught my attention.
Speaker 4: Breaking Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard confirmed photo machines
Speaker 4: that been hacked to manipulate America's elections.
Speaker 5: So maybe we'll be hearing something about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So well.
Speaker 4: I'm off of some other issue that's you know, they
Speaker 4: want to shove to the back.
Speaker 3: But sure, sure, well you know, Tulsi Gabbart, I know you.
Speaker 2: You're always on the alert for her headlines, and you're
Speaker 2: also look, I gotta be honest, I know that your
Speaker 2: news feed preferences are definitely going to be biased in
Speaker 2: one direction, because that's.
Speaker 3: Not the way the headlines look if you go to.
Speaker 2: The objective sites or the left wing media, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: But the reality of the circumstance, I see it as
Speaker 2: a big collusion by the way, between the left and
Speaker 2: the right hand shaking each other and maybe shaking each
Speaker 2: other a little too rapidly, a little too often. What
Speaker 2: does that sound like to you? But hey, it's not
Speaker 2: about my point of view tonight, it's about everybody Else's
Speaker 2: kind of funny. Tulsa Gabbard, though, made other headlines this
Speaker 2: week regarding the MLK and RFK thing, and maybe just
Speaker 2: maybe she's being pushed now to get some transparency out
Speaker 2: there about those things, as per Trump's executive order from January, right,
Speaker 2: So you know that's another headline we could be talking about.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 4: The JFK and MLK documents will be released in days RFK.
Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly. But here's the thing in the email
Speaker 2: chain that I'm part of, because there's a weird little
Speaker 2: there's a couple of different email chains I'm part of.
Speaker 2: Some of them drive me nuts, some of them are informative,
Speaker 2: but one of them about you know, among many JFK
Speaker 2: assassination researchers. Of course, Larry Hancock pops up with the
Speaker 2: most salient question possible, considering the fact that we've already
Speaker 2: got and by the way, this was the question I
Speaker 2: am asked when they put out the executive order, but
Speaker 2: I put it aside hoping we'd get progress.
Speaker 3: On JFK.
Speaker 2: Considering that we already have the Special Unit Senator stuff
Speaker 2: and the FBI stuff regarding RFK. Both of those things
Speaker 2: have already been made public. And the investigative agency was
Speaker 2: the LAPD, right, it was the ramparts section that one guy,
Speaker 2: the head of it, you know, the head of the
Speaker 2: investigation Special Unit Senator put out a book by the
Speaker 2: same name, of course, but also that stuff's already public knowledge.
Speaker 3: What do the FEDS have on RFK?
Speaker 2: A are they just going to create a document collection
Speaker 2: for Bobby Kennedy Senior here and dump that of the
Speaker 2: National Archives, which one is happening here? Because legitimately, what
Speaker 2: do the FEDS have to say about this? Unless there's
Speaker 2: some new stuff we don't actually know, But legitimately that's
Speaker 2: a fair question, right, What the hell would the Fed
Speaker 2: I have to say about RFK?
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 5: I don't know? It is an interesting question, but it
Speaker 5: sure is. I mean, there's no telling what's going to
Speaker 5: come out.
Speaker 4: You know, we've been everybody's been hoping that some smoking
Speaker 4: gun's going to come out for JFK, but I don't
Speaker 4: see it happening the RFK. There could be something new,
Speaker 4: Maybe there's some reports on a little bit of investigating
Speaker 4: that they did and they found out that things don't
Speaker 4: add up.
Speaker 5: Who knows, We'll just have to wait and see. Of course,
Speaker 5: we never know. It's either been shredded or redacted. And
Speaker 5: if they removed the redactions, then you know, what have
Speaker 5: we got left?
Speaker 4: What really do we have left that they're going to
Speaker 4: provide us that wasn't destroyed years ago?
Speaker 2: Well, we already know via Scott Yur that they either
Speaker 2: lost or destroyed photographs. We already know that they destroyed
Speaker 2: a bunch of other materials, physical materials. They didn't preserve
Speaker 2: it like they did allegedly regarding JFK, because they got
Speaker 2: rid of those ceiling panels, photographs, eyewitness statements, and a
Speaker 2: bunch of other things they said were destroyed because what
Speaker 2: the hell we convicted sir hand. That's the end of
Speaker 2: the story. And even though he was paroled, the governor said,
Speaker 2: no knewsome of course, the guy who's running a podcast now,
Speaker 2: But keep up, everybody. I don't know there might be
Speaker 2: new stuff to be heard here. I'll tell you why
Speaker 2: they're floating headlines about Gabbard that are positive right now.
Speaker 2: She's about to get a weird challenge regarding guess what
Speaker 2: her voter integrity and an odd thing she did regarding
Speaker 2: where she registered her place of residence where she decided
Speaker 2: to vote. Did you see that headline in your new
Speaker 2: speed And I know you pay attention to Tulsea because
Speaker 2: well you got a soft.
Speaker 5: Spot I've heard of.
Speaker 4: That was they were going after a shift because he
Speaker 4: bought a house in Maryland, was claiming a residency for
Speaker 4: both to get certain loans.
Speaker 5: But you can't both and run.
Speaker 4: If he claims in Maryland, he can't run for a
Speaker 4: seat in California.
Speaker 5: So right, that's right.
Speaker 2: And she turned around and got a exemption in Texas
Speaker 2: even though she claims to live in Hawaii, and she
Speaker 2: cast a vote in Hawaii, So the Feds have a
Speaker 2: right to ask which one is your actual residence because
Speaker 2: and also Hawaii the state law requires that you maintain
Speaker 2: your residence and your tax exemptions there in order to
Speaker 2: vote there, because you're voting on things that pertain to Hawaii,
Speaker 2: you know, outside of the presidential part of the ballot.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking this is the counter narrative, which is
Speaker 2: something that she's fully you know, fully got at her
Speaker 2: fingertips now as the director of National Intelligence, right, just saying,
Speaker 2: just saying, and it's going to be a game and
Speaker 2: let's see how it goes. But the truth is, if
Speaker 2: the Trump administration supports it.
Speaker 3: It'll all get squashed. That'll be that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen Adam shiff though,
Speaker 2: because there are vendettas happening anyway.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's just stuff with the Trump administration.
Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of crap on the other side
Speaker 4: that's been going on for so many years as being called.
Speaker 5: I don't know that you can end the caution.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's DC's modus operanda on everything.
Speaker 5: Throw it in the back. You know, it's both sides.
Speaker 4: I've told so many people you're not the clean house
Speaker 4: to you actually clean house.
Speaker 1: No, I know.
Speaker 2: It's the political Look, it's the political power dynamic, whether
Speaker 2: it's your local sheriff, which, by the way, somebody slid
Speaker 2: me a story about a new Jersey Let me see here.
Speaker 3: Let me be specific about this. What is he again?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 3: Let's see police chief.
Speaker 2: Sorry, a Jersey police chief accused of defecating on a
Speaker 2: floor to harassed coworkers. Interesting story, totally believable, by the way,
Speaker 2: out of Bergen County, I think that's where it is.
Speaker 2: But many counties in Jersey would that be believable. Let's
Speaker 2: see photograph north Bergen Police Department.
Speaker 3: Chief.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Robert Farley. But look enough out of us. Let's
Speaker 2: get to the callers in the order they appeared.
Speaker 3: Are you ready for that?
Speaker 9: Sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see who we got first. But it looks
Speaker 2: like we got Danny from California first. And that's you Danny, right,
Speaker 2: Yes it is, Yes, sir, listen. I wanted to thank
Speaker 2: you for an envelope that I received from you this week,
Speaker 2: and your bet is paid and all.
Speaker 3: That good stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll keep the rest of the contents of that envelope
Speaker 2: to myself, but uh, it is uh, it's very interesting,
Speaker 2: and thank you, and I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: California is a weird place to be. And like I said,
Speaker 2: enough out of me, what's on your mind?
Speaker 6: I guess that weird place is normal for myself. So
Speaker 6: I can't speak as far as weird or normal or
Speaker 6: anything like that.
Speaker 2: But well, you don't live near You don't live near LA,
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 6: No? I live in I live in northern California. The
Speaker 6: right son still has a house in La has a house.
Speaker 6: They have a very nice house and in Woodham Hills
Speaker 6: that my daughter in lawed and they're wise. They let
Speaker 6: it out for positive cash flow, gotcha. And I remember
Speaker 6: Zilloy in it a few years ago, and I told them,
Speaker 6: you're wise just to hold on to that piece of property.
Speaker 6: It's you accumulate real estate, like Will Rogers says, you don't,
Speaker 6: you don't sell real estate. So well, there you have it.
Speaker 3: Much yeah, so much. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's great because in a time period where we
Speaker 2: have a real estate hustler in the White House, who
Speaker 2: is sending another real estate hustler to go ahead and
Speaker 2: be the envoy for everything, including the Russian situation. Now
Speaker 2: Whitkoff is his envoy for everything. Now, you would think
Speaker 2: that California would be a more friendly place because a
Speaker 2: lot of people think about real estate out there. But
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, La, the reason why I bring it
Speaker 2: up is because in the like less than ninety days
Speaker 2: that I lived there back in the nineties, because I
Speaker 2: went out there to try and you know, further my
Speaker 2: music career that didn't work out so well you can tell, right,
Speaker 2: But I really truly felt like Los Angeles was from
Speaker 2: another planet man. And I came from Jersey, So it's
Speaker 2: not like I was, you know, from like Iowa or
Speaker 2: Ohio or something. I came from Jersey thinking, well, how
Speaker 2: dirty could it be? How weird could it be. I've
Speaker 2: been to New York City. It can't be any rougher
Speaker 2: or anything. And it wasn't rougher, but it was otherworldly.
Speaker 2: LA is not like any other place on Earth, and
Speaker 2: a city of angels, I don't think. So anyway, I'll
Speaker 2: leave it at that, And we don't need to talk
Speaker 2: la what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: Well, well, I was just kind of looking at today's
Speaker 6: April eleven. So you know, I'm not into numerology, but
Speaker 6: it's kind of just some synchronicity. I mean, April first
Speaker 6: is April Fool's Day, and you go April eleven, that's
Speaker 6: one one April second. I'm about ready to rename that
Speaker 6: think stupid Day. You know, some people are talking about liberation,
Speaker 6: but I think we've come full circle in this country.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm looking at you know, Dickens wrote a
Speaker 6: Tale of two Cities. John Edwards, disgraced Politicans, had a
Speaker 6: wonderful speech, even though he was full of crap, all
Speaker 6: the tale of two America's. And I've now come to
Speaker 6: the conclusion that we have right now a war gone,
Speaker 6: a tale of two Americas that's been exposed. And I'll
Speaker 6: take this from Elon must he said, And I'm going
Speaker 6: to use a word that now I guess we can
Speaker 6: use is fighting retards. There's one division you have to
Speaker 6: fight retards, and then there's others that are rooting for retards.
Speaker 6: And I just I'm going to be point blank. I've
Speaker 6: always wanted an industrial policy. I saw the dismantlement of
Speaker 6: the industrial base, small small businesses, small farms, and the
Speaker 6: little communities being destructed. But just this whole sale, I'm
Speaker 6: better than the I'm the part of the deal. I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm not really a pute hereing that stuff. I mean,
Speaker 6: the the just to declare a cariff on everybody with
Speaker 6: no rhyme or reason, with no industrial policy. So I'm
Speaker 6: just I'm almost without words except I hear you take
Speaker 6: my shots at Trump, but I'm I'm a little fired
Speaker 6: up about about this mess.
Speaker 2: But I'm tired of it all. And to tell you
Speaker 2: the truth, there's rhyme and reason to it. I just
Speaker 2: don't know what it is at this point.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The guy from Shark Tank that they call mister Wonderful
Speaker 2: seems to think it's a great idea.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: In all that, and if you tune into Fox News
Speaker 2: and everything, look, sey morons, we made the stock market
Speaker 2: bounce back up again. Everything's all good. When meanwhile, I
Speaker 2: didn't care about that to begin with. I know some
Speaker 2: of you have four oh one case, but you know
Speaker 2: people were crying about that. My four oh one is
Speaker 2: now a one oh one, k et cetera. But you
Speaker 2: know this is just the way things are done. The
Speaker 2: boom and the bust and the people that are gonna
Speaker 2: make money when things are crashing is actually more people
Speaker 2: than make money when things are climbing. So it is
Speaker 2: what it is. And I found it fascinating that even
Speaker 2: what was it today or yesterday? The Charles Schwab thing,
Speaker 2: I find that funny. Literally, this guy over here, there's
Speaker 2: really a guy named Charles Schwab, there really is.
Speaker 3: He's over here right now. He made two and a
Speaker 3: half billion dollars. Isn't it great?
Speaker 2: You know Trump in the White House. I thought it
Speaker 2: was hilarious and I just got to laugh at a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff at this point, man, look, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do. There's gonna be the back and
Speaker 2: forth no matter what, and maybe we will accomplish something.
Speaker 2: April is loaded with a ton of things.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a.
Speaker 2: Grand Theft Nation Day, which is tax Day on the fifteenth. Right,
Speaker 2: you got Hitler's birthday here in April. You got my
Speaker 2: birthday on the seventh. You got April Fool's Day, which
Speaker 2: they tried to chang the JFK hearings from April Fool's
Speaker 2: Day to April second, but due to scheduling conflicts, they
Speaker 2: couldn't do it. Representative Luna said, but it is what
Speaker 2: it is, and you know it's just a wild time man. Look,
Speaker 2: stay locked and loaded. Let me get to somebody else
Speaker 2: on the line, Danny, but I want to bring you back,
Speaker 2: So hang on and we'll get We'll get more out
Speaker 2: of you in a minute. I recognize another name on
Speaker 2: the Uh, let's see on on yes on my phone
Speaker 2: lines here. But I'm not going to introduce him. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna let him introduce himself.
Speaker 10: Normally i'd come on, I'd say finally spent Chet has
Speaker 10: come back, and I'd say, ladies and General spank Cannis
Speaker 10: entered the building. Oh, i'd say, acknowledge me. But gimmicks
Speaker 10: aside today, I haven't been on in a while. I
Speaker 10: just got to tell you I had a rude awakening.
Speaker 10: And now I know that government's great, really, and everything
Speaker 10: has been going on, it's great. I mean, look at that.
Speaker 10: We're got some terrors going on. We're gonna raise it
Speaker 10: the defense budget to one trillion. We're gonna support the
Speaker 10: genocide even more.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 10: You know, by the way, if you're against the genocide,
Speaker 10: you're anti Semitic. Don't forget that. Oh and we're and
Speaker 10: we're gonna just you know, put tariffs on everybody, and
Speaker 10: we're gonna do all this great stuff. It's such good
Speaker 10: stuff is happening. I'm so happy, it's so proud to
Speaker 10: be an American.
Speaker 2: Well, the court, Hey, look the courts are agreeing. Okay,
Speaker 2: well you're about ten days late. But look the courts
Speaker 2: are agreeing. They're turning around and saying, you know what,
Speaker 2: this this kid who didn't actually commit a crime due
Speaker 2: to the Rubio declaration or whatever a memo where he said,
Speaker 2: this guy's a supporter of AMAS. Therefore we want to
Speaker 2: eject him from the country, and we disqualified as green
Speaker 2: card even though he's married to a pregnant lady. Here,
Speaker 2: get him the hell out of the country. And the
Speaker 2: court said, you know what you can, So you know,
Speaker 2: here we go. I don't know. I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: It is a different time, and I think Trump might
Speaker 2: even get a third term out of this because the majority,
Speaker 2: my friend, is now aboard the Trump trade.
Speaker 3: So you know, what do you what do you do
Speaker 3: at this point? Yeah? Good, I don't know.
Speaker 10: I think a lot of people are turning because this
Speaker 10: is what they voted for, you know, and all the
Speaker 10: censorship by the way, you know, like you were just whoops,
Speaker 10: where did he go?
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, what
Speaker 3: happened here?
Speaker 10: Dalized?
Speaker 3: Oh there you are?
Speaker 10: What did you know?
Speaker 3: You got muted? You got muted?
Speaker 2: All right, you got muted for a second there. I
Speaker 2: don't know why suddenly you were muted. Uh you said,
Speaker 2: you don't know what?
Speaker 10: Sorry about that?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go ahead, you're back.
Speaker 10: No, I'm just saying that, you know, they had nothing
Speaker 10: on that guy. They have nothing on that guy. He
Speaker 10: didn't vandalize all that crazy stuff that Marco Rubio was
Speaker 10: talking about. Don't you love all these neocons? You know,
Speaker 10: you know, it just goes right back to what I said.
Speaker 10: You know, I've spent over the last ten years talking
Speaker 10: about Zionism and the central bankers, the guys at the
Speaker 10: very top, and the Greater Israel project and connecting the dots.
Speaker 10: And boy, let me tell you guys something right now,
Speaker 10: I had no idea the rabbit hole went as deep
Speaker 10: as it does. As we can see today, there's a
Speaker 10: cult going on that they've are involved with. Trump's in
Speaker 10: on it. They're they're they're completely controlling this country. It's
Speaker 10: no longer maga, it's myga. Make Israel great again. This
Speaker 10: is Israel first, and it's been for since Kennedy back.
Speaker 10: I never realized how deep this this rabbit hole went.
Speaker 10: But good lord, you are in bad shape and it's
Speaker 10: scary times.
Speaker 2: You've never heard this out of me, dude, No, I
Speaker 2: never was closed, would you?
Speaker 10: And you've never heard this out of you?
Speaker 2: Well, here's the weird thing to me is that I
Speaker 2: used to hear this out of guys who would scream
Speaker 2: and yell at me that I was some kind of
Speaker 2: you know, spineless scumbag because I wasn't yelling about Israel constantly.
Speaker 3: And I said, look, it's not my bag.
Speaker 2: I don't see as many of these dots connecting as
Speaker 2: you guys do.
Speaker 3: I disagree with you, that's all.
Speaker 2: And I see a lot of what you guys are saying,
Speaker 2: but I don't see it all right.
Speaker 3: And I used to say that, and people.
Speaker 2: Would really try to take me, you know, to task
Speaker 2: verbally in comments, all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: But here's the funny part.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a guy, literally the only guy I know
Speaker 2: in Georgia, you know, face to face that will come
Speaker 2: and talk to me about JFK stuff. Is absolutely obsessed
Speaker 2: with the idea that JFK was killed by the Masad.
Speaker 2: It's all the Jewish mafia, all this stuff. And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: you don't have evidence to back that up. But he
Speaker 2: swears he does, and he goes into all kinds of
Speaker 2: weird rabbit hole about it that don't actually connect to it,
Speaker 2: you know, tells me about how they didn't have nukes.
Speaker 10: And two, I'm no, no, no, I know, I mean, you
Speaker 10: have evidence, but what I have evidence on now is
Speaker 10: a greater Israel project. I mean, look what's going on.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, But now we go wait wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: let me get to let me get to something so.
Speaker 2: I can ask you the big question, please, because I
Speaker 2: got a big question for you. So now, a lot
Speaker 2: of those people that used to yell that stuff and me,
Speaker 2: not that guy, because he's obsessed with he wants people
Speaker 2: to know that he's solved the Kennedy assassination, that Jim
Speaker 2: Garrison was in on the cover up and everything else.
Speaker 2: He says to me, this guy, because he was at
Speaker 2: the mercy of the Jewish mafia, Jim Garrison was okay,
Speaker 2: according to this guy, not me, not me, but anyway,
Speaker 2: even this guy, right, all these people that have yelled
Speaker 2: this stuff at me for years, the majority of them
Speaker 2: now are all in with Trump. Think it's a great
Speaker 2: idea that we take over Gaza. Remember the whole We're
Speaker 2: going to take over Gaza. We're going to make it
Speaker 2: into a beautiful resort. And they're like, this is this
Speaker 2: is all great. Screw two state solution. How about two
Speaker 2: steaks at the new resort, you know, the new Trump Plaza.
Speaker 2: And god, so this is what they want to do,
Speaker 2: and they say it's a great idea. And I say
Speaker 2: to myself, wait a minute, aren't you guys the same
Speaker 2: ones who used to say that American interests should not,
Speaker 2: you know, keep sticking their nose in everybody else's affairs,
Speaker 2: every other country, everywhere else. I mean, shouldn't we stay
Speaker 2: out of it? Aren't you the same guys who used
Speaker 2: to say that? And no, they're just nope, this is great.
Speaker 2: Trump's gonna take it over and remake Gaza and we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Move those people.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how it is. I mean, b Pete,
Speaker 2: I know that you're a pro Israel guy, but the thing.
Speaker 12: Is if they let's clay something, I'm not pro Israel
Speaker 12: or not. Okay, I don't believe the run the world
Speaker 12: like these other wing nuts out here.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Got you you, Okay, I find you to be pro
Speaker 2: Israel because you seem to think that you know that
Speaker 2: they have a right to do all the things they're doing.
Speaker 3: It seems like mostly am I wrong about that?
Speaker 5: Or no, what are they doing? They don't have a
Speaker 5: right to do?
Speaker 10: Okay, genocide?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you do understand you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't think you don't think you have
Speaker 2: a pro Israel orientation, then no.
Speaker 5: Let's take this a step at a time.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to. I just wanted to find out.
Speaker 2: If you don't think you're pro Israel, I apologize and
Speaker 2: I'll take that back. But it seems to me like
Speaker 2: that's where you are.
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's a.
Speaker 5: Dress Ken's statement. He just said genocide.
Speaker 4: Okay, there's not a genocide going on in Gaza.
Speaker 10: If there were, there wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Be Pedestinians in Gaza in the middle of the war.
Speaker 10: What take their hospitals there? There's there there there, schools
Speaker 10: blocking age, starving children. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 10: that's I don't. I don't know what your definition of
Speaker 10: genocide is, but I think Webster would cover what I'm
Speaker 10: talking about pretty easily.
Speaker 5: You wait, and you brought up examples hospitals.
Speaker 4: Okay, coloss is running a headquarters underneath the main hospital
Speaker 4: in the northern section of Gossa.
Speaker 5: You don't think that makes it a tall.
Speaker 10: Every single one of them, every single one of those
Speaker 10: hospitals has a boss of them. But guess what, there's
Speaker 10: no evidence of it. So with you, dude, I'm kind
Speaker 10: of disgusted the fact that you're going to argue this,
Speaker 10: meet with with this in the first place.
Speaker 5: Position You don't want to debate your position, you want to.
Speaker 10: Make debated it. It's not even debatable. I mean, what
Speaker 10: part do you want to how about the drinking fifteen
Speaker 10: ambulance workers that just got you know, bulldozed and mass
Speaker 10: graves and caught and ride about and they got caught
Speaker 10: line the idea of that just happened. I mean, I
Speaker 10: know what part of genocide you don't understand.
Speaker 3: Okay, See, here's the thing. I don't want to go
Speaker 3: there any debate.
Speaker 10: I love you, brother, and everything else we're going to
Speaker 10: agree to disagree.
Speaker 3: This debate is going to go nowhere. That's that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead, just be beaten.
Speaker 4: You make statements that are falsehoods, they have to be debated,
Speaker 4: and you don't want to debate them. Simple, that's what
Speaker 4: it comes down to. You don't want to debate it.
Speaker 4: Now if you want to set up a knife, what
Speaker 4: they need.
Speaker 10: To debate about genocide? I mean, do you want to
Speaker 10: look up the definition and start seeing with what's been
Speaker 10: going on? I mean, do we have to go step
Speaker 10: by step?
Speaker 3: See you have to.
Speaker 10: Hold your hand. I mean, like, what's going on here?
Speaker 10: What do you want?
Speaker 13: All right, look, one of you, I'd like one of
Speaker 13: this is not genocide.
Speaker 2: I'd really love one of you to just not and
Speaker 2: not continue on this path because it's going to go nowhere.
Speaker 3: But if you want to argue about it, go ahead.
Speaker 14: No.
Speaker 10: I mean, I was just trying to make my point
Speaker 10: about what's going on here, and it's like, I'm not
Speaker 10: in all these conspiracy theories. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 10: If the roles were reversed in the Stenians were doing
Speaker 10: this to the Israeli people, I would be one hundred
Speaker 10: percent for this Raeli people. I'm against genocide. I'm a
Speaker 10: human rights activist. I've been one for years, boots on
Speaker 10: the ground, I'm the radio, several radio shows, including this.
Speaker 10: Let me ask one question.
Speaker 5: A Moss justified in their attack on October seventh.
Speaker 10: They weren't justified because civilians were involved. If civilians weren't
Speaker 10: involved and it was completely military, they'd absolutely be justified
Speaker 10: because and they are, by by the way, by the
Speaker 10: international law to be justified to go, you know, rise
Speaker 10: up against oppression. You're allowed to rise up. And if
Speaker 10: they're getting oppressed and your lands invaded, you get to
Speaker 10: fight back. It's that's self defense.
Speaker 5: Their land wasn't invaded. Nobody invaded Gasa.
Speaker 4: In fact, they gave Israel pulled out of Gaza and
Speaker 4: left them Gaza.
Speaker 10: They can't leave. They don't have the rights to vote,
Speaker 10: They can't do everything down to their calorie like thread
Speaker 10: in by Israel. They are in apartheid state or what
Speaker 10: are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, who took away their right to vote?
Speaker 6: Amas?
Speaker 4: Amas is the group that they voted in. Israel doesn't
Speaker 4: have anything to do with that. Gaza was self governed.
Speaker 13: Israel doesn't let them leave. Israel doesn't give them any
Speaker 13: rights whatsoever. They control the water, they control the electricity,
Speaker 13: but they control the aide that goes in there. They
Speaker 13: control everything.
Speaker 10: Are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Why doesn't Egypt let them leave?
Speaker 3: Because Egypt doesn't want to allow them into their country.
Speaker 10: The Egypt doesn't want them. It's not Egypt's business.
Speaker 13: This is Palestinian lands.
Speaker 4: If it's not Egypt's business, why is it Israel's business?
Speaker 4: They both have a border on Gaza. Palestinians can leave
Speaker 4: and when you consider that, a lot of them, you
Speaker 4: can leave where you have the Muslim good in Egypt.
Speaker 1: So what is it that?
Speaker 13: Why is it Israel has to adis are not only Muslim,
Speaker 13: they're Christian, Jewish, They're all kinds of different things.
Speaker 5: Israel to a level that you don't hold Egypt to.
Speaker 5: Why and they're fellow Buslims.
Speaker 13: Why because Egypt's not going in and invading their land
Speaker 13: and kicking them off in the West Bank and in Gaza.
Speaker 13: Egypt's not the one that rough about ten years sure
Speaker 13: bombed on Gaza and destroyed it more than Hiroshima was.
Speaker 10: That's why of the.
Speaker 4: Country of Jordan gave the West Bank to Israel.
Speaker 10: So what is it?
Speaker 3: It's iron country?
Speaker 13: Did not give the Spress Bank.
Speaker 10: It was Palestine. No, George is another country.
Speaker 13: That bail is brought out by colonialism. You don't know
Speaker 13: what's going on, VP, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Exactly what's going on.
Speaker 4: And if you want to debate facts, I'll take you
Speaker 4: on any time and let's rock.
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys can arrange if you guys want to
Speaker 2: agree to a date to come on and have a debate.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem though, one if you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: take turns and you're gonna have to accept somebody controlling
Speaker 2: the mute button because you're yelling over each other.
Speaker 10: I don't want to yell. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2: You're yelling over You're just yelling over each other. And
Speaker 2: that's all that people are hearing right now. I know
Speaker 2: both of you are trying to make a point, but
Speaker 2: believe it or not, be Pete, the stuff you're saying
Speaker 2: would kind of qualify in my mind as yeah, you're
Speaker 2: pro Israel, that's all. Okay, that's the only thing I
Speaker 2: was trying to say. And sorry, if you don't think
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 4: Okay, you can take that position on my position. If
Speaker 4: you wish I'm not pro Israel. What I'm against is
Speaker 4: all of this, this animist that gets thrown towards is Neil.
Speaker 4: Let's start with the comment, yeah, the twos run everything.
Speaker 4: That's basically where Ken started. Well there's a big rabbit
Speaker 4: hole and there's a big cabal, and we're all tied.
Speaker 2: I said, well, true, okay, but but here's the thing
Speaker 2: that's a point of view, and if you guys want
Speaker 2: to have a debate about that, then you know, we
Speaker 2: could just do that one night if you want. But
Speaker 2: like I said, we'd have to have you take turns
Speaker 2: like here, here's your five minutes, here's your five minutes,
Speaker 2: and just go over and back and forth. Fine, state
Speaker 2: your cases, but if you're going to just yell at
Speaker 2: each other, it becomes very difficult to listen to, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I.
Speaker 10: Mean, I don't I mean suck. I mean, I don't
Speaker 10: know how many times I have to say this, And
Speaker 10: I've said it on multiple shows everywhere else anywhere anybody
Speaker 10: has known me for over a decade. We'll tell you
Speaker 10: my views are not against Jewish, it's not anti Semi.
Speaker 10: It's against Zionism. It's against debating the land and taking it.
Speaker 2: But when when somebody who is that's what I am.
Speaker 2: I get listen, I get what what's that? Bepet you're
Speaker 2: trying to say something?
Speaker 5: No, just sorry, I'm laughing. Okay, scientism, same thing.
Speaker 3: Well it's actually not.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, the thing is there is Look,
Speaker 2: there is a way to explain this and go over it.
Speaker 2: And there was a whole you know, subgroup there that
Speaker 2: was all about the Zionist movement in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 2: and the seventeen hundreds, even at a certain point, you know,
Speaker 2: way before the Holocaust and all that. That has a
Speaker 2: lot to do with what it is Ken is probably
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 3: I don't know how well read he is on it
Speaker 3: when they.
Speaker 10: Got the power. So okay, in nineteen thirteen, the Federal
Speaker 10: Reserve came into America. So you just let's keep arguing.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't don't. I don't want to keep arguing.
Speaker 2: That's the thing there. There's a whole thing to unpack there.
Speaker 2: If you want to go into it, somenight, that's great.
Speaker 3: But you know what, it's his default position, Okay.
Speaker 2: Ken's default position is an automatic problem for your default
Speaker 2: position be pete. So you know, stating that the nation
Speaker 2: state of Israel is one thing immediately. You two don't
Speaker 2: define it the same way immediately. The two of you
Speaker 2: don't define what Palestinians are the same way immediately. So
Speaker 2: this is a complete clash of worldviews. And you know
Speaker 2: that's not gonna let anybody get anything out if you
Speaker 2: guys are going to argue over it. But if you
Speaker 2: want to debate things back and forth and strategically explain
Speaker 2: each of the issues, some night, we could arrange to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's gonna happen. You're impromptu. Look
Speaker 3: tell you what I'm gonna do here is real quick.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just.
Speaker 3: Gonna put you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on hold temporarily. I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: you on hold temporarily. I'm gonna put the show on hold, temporarily.
Speaker 2: Calm down, everybody, calm down, and let's just take a
Speaker 2: quick break, all right, And I'm gonna come back and
Speaker 2: handle the rest of his own lines. And everybody else
Speaker 2: who was waiting and listening to that go back and forth,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe you got some food for thought there,
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Speaker 2: Second segment open mic night and here we are the
Speaker 2: hazards of the call in show.
Speaker 3: It is what it is, so we'll keep going here.
Speaker 2: I know I got Jimmy James on the line, but
Speaker 2: I would love to hear from anybody and everybody who
Speaker 2: is listening. Do us a paper, give us a call in,
Speaker 2: drop something else different on the table, or you know,
Speaker 2: continue on if you like, I mean, hell, if you
Speaker 2: want me to open up all the lines and we
Speaker 2: can just let everybody argue. We could do that for
Speaker 2: the rest of what do we got another hour? But
Speaker 2: we started about fifteen minutes late.
Speaker 3: My fault there. But it is what it is.
Speaker 2: So it is Friday night, and we could talk about
Speaker 2: one hundred things. Or maybe it's what is the quote
Speaker 2: from the article? I know I had an article in
Speaker 2: front of me here about Tulca Gabbard. I meant to
Speaker 2: bring up to be Pete, which I did real quick.
Speaker 2: But let's see Tulci Gabbard. A hundred people working around
Speaker 2: the clock on RFK and MLK assassination files. But like
Speaker 2: I said, Larry asked a great question in the private
Speaker 2: email group, and I'd love to know what it is
Speaker 2: she's going to do. But controversy swirling?
Speaker 3: What a surprise? And isn't everybody tired of what's going on?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: I know I am.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of even trying to cover the news. Uh
Speaker 2: could you tell last night when I did my news show?
Speaker 2: Could you maybe maybe not? And Uh, I did hear
Speaker 2: your feedback regarding my sources where I used certain sources
Speaker 2: too much? Fine, I am switching my sources up and
Speaker 2: I'll use different expositionary material to explain to you what
Speaker 2: it is I'm seeing reported in ten places. I'll just
Speaker 2: pick different examples.
Speaker 3: No problem.
Speaker 2: I can do that because I got to read like
Speaker 2: one hundred articles before I can even put together fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes worth the show. Anyway, maybe that's a fault of mine,
Speaker 2: my inefficiencies, but it is what it is. You could
Speaker 2: tell me and teach me differently. Three one nine, five
Speaker 2: two seven five zero one six three one nine five
Speaker 2: two seven five zero one six. And I know I
Speaker 2: got Jimmy James on the line, so let's go to
Speaker 2: him real quick. Jimmy, what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 21: All kinds of things, all kinds going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: How you man? You sound as groggy as I feel.
Speaker 2: Did you just wake up from a nap?
Speaker 1: You know, I've been up since the crack and noon,
Speaker 1: but nice, I didn't sleep much because I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't go sleep till like seven in the morning, reading
Speaker 1: those well bring more JFK documents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was doing some of that too. And by
Speaker 3: the way, thank you for sending me that Watergate audio.
Speaker 2: I did download it, so I don't know if that
Speaker 2: temporary link's gone, but I appreciate it, and I haven't
Speaker 2: sat down to listen to it, but believe me, the
Speaker 2: next time I got to sit down and write out
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff, I'm gonna put it on and
Speaker 2: take a good listen because I love digging into the
Speaker 2: audio files like that. It's it's great. Which, by the way,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, and I have
Speaker 2: been informed by some people that are working with Narraw
Speaker 2: there are upcoming other pieces of material that are going
Speaker 2: to be added to the JFK collection. Because I did
Speaker 2: notice and didn't make a big deal out of it
Speaker 2: that Trump was slightly short on his eighty thousand documents
Speaker 2: or eighty thousand pages that he said was going to
Speaker 2: get put out and I figured close enough. He did
Speaker 2: close enough so he actually followed through. But anyway, what
Speaker 2: I discovered is that from people working at NARA, there
Speaker 2: are additional documents that are being prepared and scanned, and
Speaker 2: there is also going to be some multimedia material, so
Speaker 2: we might get some new audio. I don't know what's
Speaker 2: going to come of Luna trying to get those the
Speaker 2: video stuff from NBC, but I do know that there's
Speaker 2: going to be more documents added. It might only be
Speaker 2: a handful, though, to the document collection, within the next
Speaker 2: six weeks or so, I'm told. I don't know why
Speaker 2: it's taken some damn long, but it might be new material.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the bye, we still haven't seen the
Speaker 2: new FBI stuff, so that would be what did they say,
Speaker 2: another twenty three hundred pages or two thousand or I
Speaker 2: forget how many, but Cash Betel's having trouble getting it.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the number, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Because twenty four hondo twenty.
Speaker 2: Four somewhere in there, right, I mean if I said
Speaker 2: somewhere between twenty and twenty five hundred, you'd say, yeah,
Speaker 2: somewhere in there. But whatever it is, love to see
Speaker 2: the additional material that's the way I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2: But anyhow, you were keeping yourself up with that all night.
Speaker 2: Well I'm sure that's not the only thing on your mind.
Speaker 2: But did you discover any I don't know, gems.
Speaker 1: Well, I just this isn't new to me. But check
Speaker 1: your email. Let me see what clip you got. I
Speaker 1: just sent you a clip?
Speaker 3: Okay, earl does say?
Speaker 1: Does it say it's promo? Is it a ten minute clip?
Speaker 1: Nine minutes something like that?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It just showed up, so let mean
Speaker 3: give me a second.
Speaker 2: By the way, whoever's calling from Earlemont, California, I don't
Speaker 2: know where that is, but stay on the line. Stop
Speaker 2: hanging up. They keep calling in and hanging up. Please
Speaker 2: hang out.
Speaker 3: Anyway, what do we got here? Popeye the Sailor? Okay?
Speaker 3: Is that the clip?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh? Wrong link?
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I got a Popeye think which By the way,
Speaker 2: this year, the original Popeye shorts became public domain. I
Speaker 2: don't know if people know that, but public domain Day
Speaker 2: happened in like January. I know everybody pays such close
Speaker 2: attention to it. But Singing in the Rain became public domain. Finally,
Speaker 2: stuff made in nineteen twenty nine stuff that was copywritten
Speaker 2: then has now run out of its copyright and become
Speaker 2: public domain, and the first Popeye short is on that list.
Speaker 2: I pay attention to copyright stuff because I have to anyways.
Speaker 2: So Jimmy, why don't you send me the right link
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, and and then this way I
Speaker 2: can play it whatever it is, and we'll do that
Speaker 2: as we go forward here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I'll get the right link and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and it'll take me a minute, so go ahead and
Speaker 1: get the uh the other callers in and see what
Speaker 1: they have to say, because mine might take about ten
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, all right, well you hang on then and
Speaker 2: I'll go back around. First of all, I promised Danny
Speaker 2: real fast. Let me just check in with him before
Speaker 2: I go to Kent. Uh, Danny, you mind, you might
Speaker 2: hang you mind hanging out for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: I'll go back over to Kent and then I'll come
Speaker 2: back to you, and then Jimmy should be all set.
Speaker 3: Right, no worries, no worries to Hey, by the way,
Speaker 3: did you know about that?
Speaker 2: I think you might be the kind of guy who's
Speaker 2: interested in when stuff goes public domain? But did you know,
Speaker 2: the first Popeye short and also the first all color film,
Speaker 2: was made in nineteen twenty nine, like all color, and
Speaker 2: it does no longer exist in print. But if you
Speaker 2: could find a copy of the first film ever made
Speaker 2: on all in color, you could, you know, do an
Speaker 2: exposition of it, play it somewhere, upload it to YouTube.
Speaker 2: No copyright problems at all. But the issue now exists
Speaker 2: that only black and white prints exist of the film.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember the name of it off the
Speaker 2: top of my head. But I did research, believe it
Speaker 2: or not. I do research on stuff like this sometimes too.
Speaker 2: But Popeye the Sailor the first all color film.
Speaker 3: Singing in the Rain I think that song.
Speaker 2: Happy Days Are Here Again also became public domain this year,
Speaker 2: And I figure, you're the kind of guy who keeps
Speaker 2: track of that stuff you.
Speaker 6: Do, right, Not really, I mean i've seen the original Popeyes.
Speaker 6: That's hard too, but not really. It's I mean, I mean,
Speaker 6: I will hear it in passing, but it's not like, Wow,
Speaker 6: that's someone to go down that. I mean, there's just
Speaker 6: other things. I'm a little more interested, But I'm not,
Speaker 6: like not disinterested in that type of subject matter. Why
Speaker 6: it's kind of fascinated.
Speaker 2: Like last year, I think it was last year or
Speaker 2: the year before, the very first Mickey Mouse Steamboat Willie
Speaker 2: version of Mickey Mouse is now public domain.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now that's always that's always fun.
Speaker 2: Now, just to be clear, Mickey Mouse is not public
Speaker 2: domain because they've continued to use it. But the Steamboat
Speaker 2: Willy version of Mickey Mouse and Steamboat Willie is now
Speaker 2: public domain, Okay, because of because of the year it
Speaker 2: was released.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: And I think your phone call that keeps dropping off.
Speaker 6: I'm just curious that is that happened to be Early
Speaker 6: Mart because that would be that would be that would
Speaker 6: be south of me, that would be near the Fresno area,
Speaker 6: between Fresno and Bakersfield. There's just a small farming community
Speaker 6: kind of like to buy a little bigger than the
Speaker 6: community I grew up in.
Speaker 2: According to my call out, yes, according to my call log,
Speaker 2: you're correct, I missed the eye. I didn't realize it
Speaker 2: until you said Early Mark, but yeah, I missed the eye.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: It is Early Mark, California that has called in and
Speaker 2: dropped a few times.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, they should call in. It's between Presno
Speaker 6: and Bakersfield. Up the Highway ninety nine, Interstate ninety nine
Speaker 6: and there. Yeah, it's a little farmingcare. There's probably some
Speaker 6: if they're a native from there's probably something we can
Speaker 6: relate to. As far as small farming communities in California
Speaker 6: comes of John Steinbeck mode.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, I'll tell you what early Mark California listener.
Speaker 2: Tell you what I'll do is, if you call in,
Speaker 2: I'll let you and Danny talk about California, if you
Speaker 2: want to put you both on the line at the
Speaker 2: same time. But Danny want to put you on hold
Speaker 2: for now and go back around to spend Kent and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he's got some other things on his mind,
Speaker 2: or he wants to talk about what he was talking
Speaker 2: about before. I don't know, but you know I wanted
Speaker 2: to give everybody a breather, so I did. Anyways, Kent.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm totally chill, guys. I mean, you guys got
Speaker 10: to remember something. I'm not a statist. I don't perceive
Speaker 10: things the same way. I'm a voluntarist or an anarchist.
Speaker 10: No rulers or master and you know this, Chuck, So,
Speaker 10: I don't see borders is a big deal. I don't
Speaker 10: see you know, religions is a big deal. I'll see
Speaker 10: any kind of state or authority is a big deal.
Speaker 10: I care about people, care about people, give me, he
Speaker 10: writes access. I care about the people.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, can't let me.
Speaker 10: And when natural rights are are violated, I care about that.
Speaker 10: So that's where I'm at. I'm not anti Semitic, I
Speaker 10: don't I'm not out for the Jews.
Speaker 3: Can let me, you know, Kent. Let me.
Speaker 2: Let me introduce you to an idea. I've never tried
Speaker 2: to run by you because I've heard all this from you,
Speaker 2: and I heard all this from you when we did
Speaker 2: we co hosted this kind of thing together. You know,
Speaker 2: I used to talk to you on other shows.
Speaker 3: You and I have talked.
Speaker 2: I know this, But let me just run something by you.
Speaker 2: You got to understand something from the other side, which
Speaker 2: is this. You know how there are people that react
Speaker 2: to if you tell them that you practice certain things
Speaker 2: when it comes to religion or politics or even sexuality.
Speaker 2: But let's just let's just go with the religious aspect,
Speaker 2: which is a little bit separate from the topic that
Speaker 2: got everything heeded here, because that's kind of religion and
Speaker 2: politics blended together. In my mind, you know people that
Speaker 2: get upset about certain things, like if you say that,
Speaker 2: you know you participate in Wiccan or pagan practices in
Speaker 2: one type or another. What some people hear you say
Speaker 2: when you say that is like church, lady Satan. There
Speaker 2: are some people when they hear the word anarchy, they
Speaker 2: hear the word chaos, they hear the word disorder, they
Speaker 2: hear the word oh my god, what's you're for is
Speaker 2: a free for all. Everybody's gonna get hurt. You're obviously
Speaker 2: an irresponsible idiot. That's what they're translating in their minds. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: but you but you know I know that's not what
Speaker 2: you mean, and you know I know that that's not
Speaker 2: what the definition is. I'm saying to you that some
Speaker 2: people hear things a certain way when you say it,
Speaker 2: and if you're gonna make big sweeping statements, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get big sweeping reactions from some people. It's just something
Speaker 2: I want you to put in your head. I don't
Speaker 2: need you to answer it, respond to it. I'm not
Speaker 2: debating you.
Speaker 10: I also say anarchists, I'll say no rulers nor masters. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I don't believe in government. And there's a reason for that.
Speaker 10: Let's just look at the track record they are. Okay,
Speaker 10: you see, from ars to pharaohs to the presidents. I
Speaker 10: don't believe in that stuffs for the people. It's never
Speaker 10: gonna work for the people. Okay, But you see, that's
Speaker 10: what I talk about. So when I say anarchists, I
Speaker 10: understand what you're saying. Hey, I'm an agnostic atheist, druid Bard.
Speaker 10: You really want to get technical and all the way down,
Speaker 10: which which frankly people call me. But I don't believe
Speaker 10: in those gods or deities because I'm an agnostic atheist.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, Frankly, a lot of different things.
Speaker 10: See, I'm for human rights. I care about human beings.
Speaker 2: Like Frankly, Like Frankly, to me, that didn't make any
Speaker 2: sense to me. Okay, I'm just telling you now, that
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense to me. How you end up
Speaker 2: being sort of like you know, a Bard and into
Speaker 2: that end of things and on that end of spirituality,
Speaker 2: and then also being an agnostic and an atheist, which
Speaker 2: are two different things.
Speaker 3: None of that makes any sense to me. And meanwhile,
Speaker 3: when I explained to people, stop stop, stop stopping, don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't want you to explain.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to explain a different point to you here.
Speaker 2: It's not about the particulars hang on. The thing is
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense to me. But when I
Speaker 2: explain to people that I am actually a minister and
Speaker 2: I do minister to people, and they say, well, which
Speaker 2: particular thing do you minister to people? And I say,
Speaker 2: it's a multi faith situation where I minister to people
Speaker 2: based on their orientation. Some people look at me like
Speaker 2: I'm nuts, and they go, that's not possible. You can't
Speaker 2: possibly minister to people unless you believe the same thing
Speaker 2: they believe.
Speaker 3: And I tell them, no, that's not the way it works.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: And if you want a practical example, you think about
Speaker 2: the guy who is, like, say, the chaplain in a
Speaker 2: military unit. He's going to serve the Christians, he's going
Speaker 2: to serve the Jews, he's gonna serve the other people
Speaker 2: who just don't know what to make of anything and
Speaker 2: just have a general belief in God. He's going to
Speaker 2: serve whoever asks him to serve them, because that's the
Speaker 2: meaning of the word minister, is to serve someone to
Speaker 2: give serve. So, okay, if you're a minister. You know,
Speaker 2: people think of administer, you know, but that's not it.
Speaker 2: That's a different thing to minister to someone is to
Speaker 2: just serve them in their need. Now I can tell
Speaker 2: you that I can do that from a diverse set
Speaker 2: of directions. A lot of people tell me that's ridiculous
Speaker 2: and makes no sense to them. So what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to point out is that when you make certain statements
Speaker 2: that are very wide okay, and say a lot of
Speaker 2: things all at once, they're very loaded and it is
Speaker 2: going to make people react a certain way. And like
Speaker 2: I said, well, look, if you want to get people
Speaker 2: to think, though, it's difficult to get them thinking if
Speaker 2: you're inciting them to yell at you.
Speaker 3: A lot of times.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you this. I'm passing this to you
Speaker 2: as advice. That's all I'm saying. And now I'm going
Speaker 2: to shut up. But I wanted to throw that at
Speaker 2: you because I'd like other people to think about this too. I'm,
Speaker 2: you know, sorry, I'm kind of using you as an
Speaker 2: example here, Kent, But oh, I got it.
Speaker 10: It's all good man. I mean, I'm always trying to
Speaker 10: better myself in any way I can. It's not necessarily
Speaker 10: saying I can't a buy human beings. That's what it
Speaker 10: boils down to. My spirituality is a little bit like
Speaker 10: the Druid, pagan or whatever. But no, I don't believe
Speaker 10: in the fairies. I don't believe in all that stuff. Obviously,
Speaker 10: as as far as being an agnostic goes, I don't
Speaker 10: believe there's a God until I have evidence. But it's
Speaker 10: being or excuse me, an atheist. But as an agnostic,
Speaker 10: I say, well, but I'm not sure. I'm open minded,
Speaker 10: That's all I'm saying. In my own way, I explain
Speaker 10: it to anybody that knows. But I'm very spiritual with nature.
Speaker 10: And that's what I like about druidry and the Druids
Speaker 10: and the old Celtic ways. The connection to nature see
Speaker 10: my study.
Speaker 2: Of Celtic practices and beliefs. Though, leads me to believe
Speaker 2: that in some shape or form.
Speaker 22: Uh.
Speaker 2: You have an idea that the Earth in and of
Speaker 2: itself is sentient and alive as a being. Right, So
Speaker 2: the Earth is a greater, much larger, higher being than
Speaker 2: our little human selves. You know, size doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: in this case, And no I'm not talking about that,
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Uh, the Earth didn't exist, we wouldn't exist. But that's
Speaker 10: and that's I'm not saying like exactly what you're saying,
Speaker 10: But what you're saying is true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a scientific fact. Without the Earth, we're gone.
Speaker 2: But the thing is that without that science and without
Speaker 2: all that stuff, usually what you're saying requires a little
Speaker 2: bit of a belief in higher entities that would be gods,
Speaker 2: even if they're small g gods. Right, And so when
Speaker 2: you say that and then you mix it with atheist
Speaker 2: and agnostic, I go, what the hell, I'm just breaking
Speaker 2: it down now, Okay, going into the particulars.
Speaker 10: That's kind of my thing doing like it's fun to
Speaker 10: explain so I can understand where like you under like
Speaker 10: like whoa, whoa, I got it. But just to my spirituality,
Speaker 10: But do I believe in a higher power yet? But
Speaker 10: do I believe?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 10: But I do I believe there could be a higher
Speaker 10: power absolutely.
Speaker 6: I mean I promise you that in a nutshell right there.
Speaker 2: And I promise you I'm one of the most open
Speaker 2: minded people you're ever going to meet, because I will
Speaker 2: literally sit and explain to somebody even though I don't
Speaker 2: want to defend either position. Some people go Satan worship
Speaker 2: devil worship, same thing, and I go, actually not, you know,
Speaker 2: because I've taken the time to study and go, No
Speaker 2: Satanists believe in Basically you.
Speaker 3: Want to break down.
Speaker 2: The real shocker is that a real Satanist, the Church
Speaker 2: of Satan people actually believe that they are God, that
Speaker 2: they within themselves are God. A devil worshiper is just
Speaker 2: what it sounds like, a devil worshiper. And they're actually
Speaker 2: two different things. So you're, you know, your temple of
Speaker 2: set But in.
Speaker 10: Order to worship them, you have to believe in them.
Speaker 10: The point is, I don't believe in any of them
Speaker 10: any any any more than I believe in them a
Speaker 10: higher bier God. No, I believe there's possibility and everything else.
Speaker 10: But until I believe that, I'm not going to believe
Speaker 10: in no devil, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Right. But here's the thing. See, but here's the other thing.
Speaker 2: Right, Even though I would say that you know the Bible, okay,
Speaker 2: in air quotes the Bible, the Holy Book, whatever King
Speaker 2: James version you've read, et cetera, it is simultaneously not
Speaker 2: a historical document in my mind, but it is also
Speaker 2: the truth, and that is a position where people go,
Speaker 2: what the hell are you talking about? There is a
Speaker 2: lot of truth in there, and it's not just little
Speaker 2: pieces of it. There is a whole greater truth in there.
Speaker 2: And then some people would say, well, then why are
Speaker 2: you not a Christian? Because it's not the complete truth
Speaker 2: in my mind and the complete truth lays elsewhere.
Speaker 3: And my personal beliefs.
Speaker 2: Again are different than the things I do when I
Speaker 2: minister to someone. So you know, here we go, things
Speaker 2: are not there's a lot of nuances. Okay, that's all
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get at. And you got to consider
Speaker 2: that when you make sweeping statements about stuff like it's
Speaker 2: really interesting. Like I got into a weird argument down
Speaker 2: here down south, and I'm going to leave it at
Speaker 2: this because I just had this odd thought while I
Speaker 2: was listening to you guys. But this discussion came up
Speaker 2: of like would you have sex with a dwarf for
Speaker 2: a little person?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, Okay, well see now there's your answer. No, No,
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 2: But here's the weird thing about this conversation. Right, there's
Speaker 2: a group of guys there. It's me and four guys
Speaker 2: that were born and bred here in the South, all right.
Speaker 2: The guys from down south here freaked out.
Speaker 3: Like why would you do that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And it was like, well, why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 3: What's the you know?
Speaker 2: And their idea is that a little person is akin
Speaker 2: to a child in their minds, right, So you're like
Speaker 2: just creeping toward pedophilia if that's where you're going.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just telling you what their logic was. Okay,
Speaker 3: And the same thing happens.
Speaker 10: When they hear this, they off to go meet the
Speaker 10: sheep down in Milton's Creek whatever in the barn.
Speaker 3: But yeah, go ahead, listen, I got I got a
Speaker 3: hundred jokes. Okay, no no problem at all, Like like
Speaker 3: you know, like.
Speaker 2: Like somebody once said, hey, wait, you said you're you
Speaker 2: said you're Italian, right, and I said yeah, and they said,
Speaker 2: well you should be somewhere beating your wife.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Look, the point is that some of these guys, they
Speaker 2: have certain ideas about things, and it's not and I'm
Speaker 2: not even pointing to be pete on this, I'm saying
Speaker 2: that generally, when people hear certain things, they default in
Speaker 2: positions based on their understanding. There are Christian guys who,
Speaker 2: you know, I figure a pretty open mind mind. It
Speaker 2: actually fairly what you would call socially liberal down south
Speaker 2: here that I've run into who immediately equate a gay
Speaker 2: guy with again, a pedophile. If you're willing to do
Speaker 2: this with a guy, then guess what you're after children Like,
Speaker 2: there's no in between, no difference between the two.
Speaker 3: It's all together, you know.
Speaker 2: And I point out that this is why, you know,
Speaker 2: they stress things like in the Bible that even if
Speaker 2: you find somebody laying with a man, yes, execute them
Speaker 2: a man with a man, but also a man with
Speaker 2: an animal.
Speaker 3: Not only kill the guy, but kill the animal.
Speaker 20: Two.
Speaker 2: It's very blanket sometimes, and people have these beliefs when
Speaker 2: it comes to their politics, when it comes to their socialization,
Speaker 2: their family connections, their religion, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 10: Yet in the Book of Joshua says kill all animals, humans,
Speaker 10: everybody else except for the pre teen women will take
Speaker 10: them as our own. So they kept the virgins alive.
Speaker 2: Well, because you can always yeah, you can always take
Speaker 2: them and breed them into obscurity.
Speaker 3: And besides, well anyway I can make a joke there.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna but the thing is. There's a lot
Speaker 3: to it, right, I'm just saying anyway, let's just see,
Speaker 3: I don't even know how much time we got it.
Speaker 10: You're guys that we always read the Bible front of
Speaker 10: the bag. I've studied all this and human history and
Speaker 10: everything else.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 10: You know, I do absolutely know what I'm talking about
Speaker 10: on these these topics.
Speaker 3: Believe I'll say this, I believe it or not. I'm ordained.
Speaker 2: I'm actually ordained as a reverend in more than one
Speaker 2: more than one face, So I get.
Speaker 10: It, gotcha, Okay, So I just want ever to know,
Speaker 10: is I'm not racist. I'm not against Jews or anything
Speaker 10: like that. You know, I'm cool with BT if we
Speaker 10: want to discuss something, that's fine. But you know, I'm
Speaker 10: totally cool with you VP. But look for a long time.
Speaker 3: Listen, he's serious about doing listening.
Speaker 10: Again, I don't want him to know that I'm not
Speaker 10: one of.
Speaker 3: These Yeah, okay, you already.
Speaker 2: All right, you already said, you already said, but listen.
Speaker 2: He did also, and I want to get this out
Speaker 2: before we lose track of it. He did say if
Speaker 2: you want to have a debate with him some night
Speaker 2: on the show, that he's been willing to do that
Speaker 2: with you. So if you want to do that, do
Speaker 2: me a favor, contact me and let me know which
Speaker 2: night would be good. Uh, you know what time I
Speaker 2: like to broadcast, and I'll arrange it with him and
Speaker 2: we'll come up with a knight to do that.
Speaker 3: But you guys are both gonna have to take.
Speaker 10: Like because I actually want to talk to business with
Speaker 10: you about a certain cashed out with span Can show.
Speaker 10: Well maybe we could talk some business with Okay. Well,
Speaker 10: and I'm talking business, I'm my money in business and
Speaker 10: everything else.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm producing shows. I'm producing shows until midnight here
Speaker 2: at least tonight. Okay, So I'm going to be producing
Speaker 2: Aaron's show and the Uncle show after this.
Speaker 3: So do you want to talk to me that? Do
Speaker 3: you want to talk tomorrow or But.
Speaker 10: Well I was going to actually get a jump on
Speaker 10: Uncle tonight if if it's okay, well yeah.
Speaker 3: That's fine.
Speaker 2: But we can't talk business on uncles. So I'm asking
Speaker 2: you when when do you.
Speaker 20: Want to do?
Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying. Maybe after Huncle you get off
Speaker 10: with them and you stay on with me and we
Speaker 10: could throw around a couple ideas and then we can
Speaker 10: mess each other and stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, there, I usually like to get done that for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 10: I took off and I plan on going on Uncle.
Speaker 10: So if you want, if you have the time, if
Speaker 10: you're not too tired after Uncle, then then yeah, I'm around,
Speaker 10: so all right. If not, we can message everything as
Speaker 10: far as that goes. But I just want to make
Speaker 10: it I just want to make it completely clear. I'm
Speaker 10: totally cool with DP.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's great.
Speaker 10: I care about human beings. That's what I want people
Speaker 10: to know.
Speaker 3: I understand, and that's and that's where this is all
Speaker 3: coming from.
Speaker 6: With you.
Speaker 2: Your whole position anyway, is that you're you're concerned about
Speaker 2: the fact that there are people dying, and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's it's not quite by their own will exactly.
Speaker 2: I know that everybody says, well, you know, that's the
Speaker 2: government they put in and this and that. But the
Speaker 2: one thing to consider is that the majority of people
Speaker 2: there are children, and we're not allowed to vote. The
Speaker 2: last time they held a damn vote, So.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they weren't even alive the last time. Most of
Speaker 10: them weren't even alive the last time.
Speaker 1: There was a vote.
Speaker 3: Well at least the last time in two.
Speaker 1: Thousand and six at least, yeah, the last time and six.
Speaker 10: I mean that would make it you have to at
Speaker 10: least be eighteen, almost twenty nineteen years old vote and
Speaker 10: then you would have to have been twenty or eighteen.
Speaker 10: Then the vote, well, you'd have to make you about forty.
Speaker 10: You'd have to be a minimum of thirty kalisins children.
Speaker 2: You know, you'd have to be a minimum of thirty
Speaker 2: seven years old right now to have actually been alive
Speaker 2: and able to vote back then.
Speaker 3: I think. So you know, here we go. Anyway, it's
Speaker 3: a complex thing.
Speaker 10: If you guys want to do a debate, yeah, probably
Speaker 10: about thirty seven. Yeah, yeah, if you guys want to
Speaker 10: we are chalked about thirty seven and two. I was
Speaker 10: thirty six in two thousand and six.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember when I was thirty seven. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it was around twenty twenty ten. But anyway,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it is. The thing is, you guys
Speaker 2: can debate another night or whatever, but let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and get to whatever else you want to get.
Speaker 3: To and we'll move through.
Speaker 2: Because I got about about twenty eight minutes until we
Speaker 2: begin the age of transitions here, So go ahead.
Speaker 10: Oh I'm good. I'm just I you know, we get
Speaker 10: so many bad so much bad news going on tonight,
Speaker 10: you know, and like I came in with my April
Speaker 10: Fools prank and everything about just like we are just
Speaker 10: we've got so many greedy people and the systems got
Speaker 10: to change, you know, people, we got to understand, like
Speaker 10: either way, this is not a race war or any
Speaker 10: of us as a class war. And that's when one
Speaker 10: of Luther King was pointing out before they killed him,
Speaker 10: and you know, this is a class war. It's us
Speaker 10: against them, it's not.
Speaker 5: It's not.
Speaker 10: We don't need to be raped against each other's race
Speaker 10: or even politics, the left and the right and all that.
Speaker 10: We need to get together and just say, hey, what's
Speaker 10: best for humanity right now? Like what what can we
Speaker 10: do to help, you know, help people and not just
Speaker 10: businesses and corporations and governments and all this crap. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean that's just I mean, we all know that's
Speaker 10: what it is to say something funny. I'd like to
Speaker 10: talk about jokes. I'm looking forward in June the bears
Speaker 10: will be back. The bear cam from Brooks Falls, Alaska,
Speaker 10: you know cat My National Park that my friends. I'll say,
Speaker 10: this is absolute medicine. Watching those guys and you start
Speaker 10: to learn who those bears are, and you just it's
Speaker 10: better in a reality show. It's better than NYPD blue
Speaker 10: and everything else. Man, it's all that wrapped up in
Speaker 10: one like a super Bowl every day to see which
Speaker 10: big ass bear is going to come up and all
Speaker 10: this and just listen to the falls. You can sleep
Speaker 10: to it. It's such medicine. It's natured. If you can't
Speaker 10: get out in nature, that's a good place to go
Speaker 10: and watch nature. You know, live bears, you know, real
Speaker 10: live nature. It on your TV, and it's good for you.
Speaker 10: It's like I said, it's absolute medicine. Getting out in
Speaker 10: nature's absolute medicine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: No, just listening to the bird chirp, just watching the
Speaker 10: you know, bird fly or whatever schools play wherever you're at.
Speaker 10: From my case, a gator swim sometimes, absolutely it's absolute medicine.
Speaker 10: But let's let's get some other callers. Anybody wants to
Speaker 10: say anything, I'll chill for a bit.
Speaker 6: There we go.
Speaker 2: So you know what, and I agree with you about
Speaker 2: the nature and medicine and all that good stuff, because man,
Speaker 2: you know I could use more of it. I'd go
Speaker 2: outside more, but there's too many damn loose dogs in
Speaker 2: my neighborhood lately, which is why you keep hearing Weeni
Speaker 2: dogs on my broadcast, because they're getting riled up about
Speaker 2: the other dogs running around my house outside when they
Speaker 2: shouldn't be so. Apologies there, Kent, did you find your clips?
Speaker 1: You mean Jimmy James? And yes, I emailed to the
Speaker 1: right one and them Gmail took your Gmail.
Speaker 2: Oh, I meant to say, thanks to Kent, and then yes,
Speaker 2: Jimmy James, you're right. So let's see what do we
Speaker 2: have here? Looks like meeting James Angleton.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, yeah he been. I was gonna
Speaker 1: introduce it, all right. This is important for anyone interested
Speaker 1: in eleven twenty two sixty three, which is what I'm
Speaker 1: interested in. As far as historical stuff. I don't claim
Speaker 1: to know fucking Muhammad this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 1: I'm concerned with this one day and everyone's let's get
Speaker 1: something straight about the genius Angleton. Okay, he wasn't.
Speaker 21: First, let's just play this clip.
Speaker 1: It's pretty self explanatory. The man's got bona fid, he's
Speaker 1: up the behind this isn't no, damn just jacking the jaw.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to this guy. It's like a nine minute
Speaker 1: clip and be thankful because the real show's over two
Speaker 1: hours and I listen to it. Well, I the main
Speaker 1: part that's of interest to us. All right, well, community, long.
Speaker 2: Long clip here, But let's see if we can get
Speaker 2: through nine minutes without them hitting me with a commercial.
Speaker 1: No, no, teeny tiny clip. Like I said, the original
Speaker 1: ones like two hours, things like nine minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as I said, nine minutes is kind of long.
Speaker 2: Let's see if they let me get through it without
Speaker 2: a commercial.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see what happens.
Speaker 23: Special Operations Cobert Ox Spiana, the Team House with your hopes,
Speaker 23: Jack Murphy and David Bark.
Speaker 24: Now, before you went to the farm, you were an
Speaker 24: intern for a while, right, because there was a formative
Speaker 24: I thought that in your book you mentioned that this
Speaker 24: was actually kind of a formative part of your CIA vision.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 22: Yeah, you've done your homework, Davis. Yeah, I described that
Speaker 22: in my first book, fair Play. My training out of
Speaker 22: the farm wasn't going to start for a couple of
Speaker 22: months after I arrived at the CIA, so I needed
Speaker 22: an interim assignment, and not knowing any better, I took
Speaker 22: an interim assignment in the counter Intelligence staff and it
Speaker 22: was really interesting work because my assignment was to update
Speaker 22: a study that the counter intelligence staff had done on
Speaker 22: the Rhoda Kappel, which was.
Speaker 1: The have you ever dreamed about living and glorious varmony?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 25: Hold on a second, the Russian networks and German occupied
Speaker 25: Europe during World War Two, and.
Speaker 22: NSA at the time was finally, all those years later,
Speaker 22: breaking some of the traffic between the center in Moscow
Speaker 22: and their operatives out in occupied Europe. They were communicating,
Speaker 22: of course, via clandestine radios. I found it absolutely amazing
Speaker 22: to read the first person at CI headquarters as these
Speaker 22: transcripts came in from ensay the drama, the tension, the
Speaker 22: actual patriotism of these Russian spies throughout Europe putting their
Speaker 22: lives on the line to communicate intelligence. My job was
Speaker 22: to incorporate what we were learning about these Russian networks
Speaker 22: of the Rhoda Capella into the previous study, and I
Speaker 22: worked pretty hard on that, and I thought I had
Speaker 22: done a pretty good job, and in fact some of
Speaker 22: my supervisors did also, so they said, as I was
Speaker 22: getting ready to leave the counter intelligence staff to start
Speaker 22: my training down at the farm gym. He'd done a
Speaker 22: good job here and we want you to get the
Speaker 22: appropriate recognition, and so we've arranged a meeting, a farewell
Speaker 22: meeting for you with the man himself, and by the
Speaker 22: man himself, of course, they meant the chief of the
Speaker 22: counter Intelligence, a legendary James Jesus Angleton. And on the
Speaker 22: appointed day I showed up to see a corridor at
Speaker 22: CI headquarters. I went into the outer office. You didn't
Speaker 22: go into the presence without being briefed on how to
Speaker 22: comport yourself.
Speaker 3: So all of his attendants are telling me how to
Speaker 3: behave When I got there.
Speaker 22: I'm getting pretty nervous. So finally they said, okay, going in,
Speaker 22: and so they opened.
Speaker 3: The door and I kind of walked in. They had
Speaker 3: told me that it would be.
Speaker 22: A dark room, and in fact it was. He had
Speaker 22: big black curtains, he had just one desk lamp and
Speaker 22: these all these eyes looking at at me, and the
Speaker 22: big haze of smoke because he was a change smoker.
Speaker 22: And they had told me standard attention in front of
Speaker 22: his desk, he might not speak, So just launch into
Speaker 22: your brief.
Speaker 5: On Eurota Capella study.
Speaker 22: I did that, and I'm going I'm feeling pretty good
Speaker 22: about myself. I was flowing pretty well. I said, this
Speaker 22: is going pretty well. He cannot fail to be impressed
Speaker 22: by my ci acumen of this very early stage in
Speaker 22: my career, not at all. Because at a certain point
Speaker 22: he stopped me. He looked me in the eye and
Speaker 22: he said, mister Olsen, don't you realize that the Rhota
Speaker 22: Capello was nothing more than a German controlled deception operation?
Speaker 22: And that took me back, and I realized then, as
Speaker 22: arrogantism might have seen, that this great mind, this countertellers,
Speaker 22: his genius, had really lost touch with reality, because that
Speaker 22: made no sense at all. I had dunk deeply into.
Speaker 6: The road to Capella.
Speaker 5: I knew it wasn't German controlled, but that was his thesis.
Speaker 22: He saw conspiracies everywhere.
Speaker 25: He was a double fake expert.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, Jimmy, I'm gonna stop it here and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you you need to send me these clips ahead
Speaker 2: of the show, because I would have rather checked out
Speaker 2: who this guy is.
Speaker 10: Okay, well, he gets to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he eventually gets Angleton's job. Just play yeah. From
Speaker 1: now on, parts are coming.
Speaker 3: Up, all right from now on.
Speaker 2: Send me these things ahead of time, because I would
Speaker 2: have sliced off in the first two minutes and I
Speaker 2: would have checked out who.
Speaker 24: This guy is.
Speaker 3: Well, I would have checked out who this guy is.
Speaker 2: I would have checked out the operation he's talking about,
Speaker 2: and I would have done background on this to see
Speaker 2: if this is something that's really you know, heavy or what,
Speaker 2: because some of the you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys out there making claims that they were this,
Speaker 2: they were that, and indeed they might have worked.
Speaker 15: For the CIA, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just saying I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, what then you particularly the relevant point?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, but that's the thing. It's not the listen,
Speaker 2: it's not the relevant point. I would rather cut it
Speaker 2: down to the relevant point and done background work on
Speaker 2: this so I could explain it, because now I'm at
Speaker 2: a disadvantage here. And also I'm thinking this is a
Speaker 2: pretty sleepy story so far. The guy takes his time
Speaker 2: telling the story.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? It's fine, I'm going to
Speaker 3: continue to play it. Yeah, but nine.
Speaker 2: Minutes is a long clip for somebody to listen to this.
Speaker 2: If they've never heard of any of this before, they're going,
Speaker 2: what the hell is this guy talking about?
Speaker 3: By now believe me?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I would rather punch it up and also
Speaker 2: have the back so I know what I'm talking about
Speaker 2: when I turn away from it. But anyway, I'm going
Speaker 2: to continue to play it.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 22: And so he rudely dismissed me, said that I had
Speaker 22: wasted his time, I had wasted the CI staff's time
Speaker 22: by coming up with these totally erroneous conclusions. I go
Speaker 22: out to the outer office, everybody, how did you go?
Speaker 16: How did it go?
Speaker 22: And I'm crushed. And as I'm walking down the cordor afterwards,
Speaker 22: I honestly was saying to myself, you know, Jim, you
Speaker 22: had such high hopes for this career, and what a
Speaker 22: shame because it has ended before it even started. There's
Speaker 22: no way you're going to survive that kind of a
Speaker 22: chewing out by the most powerful man in the CIA.
Speaker 6: So I said to myself, if by some.
Speaker 22: Miracle, this CIA career survives, which I doubt, I don't
Speaker 22: know what direction will take me, but I know one
Speaker 22: thing I will never ever again go anywhere near counterintelligence.
Speaker 22: Which is pretty ironic, is that because I ended up
Speaker 22: being number seven in the chain of counterintelligence a chiefs
Speaker 22: at the CIA later on in my career.
Speaker 7: And it's interesting because you probably didn't know it at
Speaker 7: that time, but later you realize how much damage Angleton
Speaker 7: had actually done, not only to the CIA, but to
Speaker 7: the field of counterintelligence in general.
Speaker 22: Right, Yeah, that's exactly right, Dave. That's the legacy of
Speaker 22: James E's and Angleton continued for many, many years after
Speaker 22: he was finally forced out. He discredited counter intelligence and discipline.
Speaker 22: He made it useless for the twenty years that he
Speaker 22: was the chief from nineteen fifty four to nineteen seventy
Speaker 22: four because he was chasing fantoms. He did not allow
Speaker 22: us to run any Russian operations because he was too
Speaker 22: smart to fall into the KGB machinations. So we had
Speaker 22: no volunteers, we had no walk ins, we had no recruitments,
Speaker 22: we had no Russian operations. During those twenty critical years
Speaker 22: of the Cold War. He lost so much it was
Speaker 22: a disaster. It was only after we finally got rid
Speaker 22: of him in the end of nineteen seventy six that
Speaker 22: we were able slowly to try to get back into
Speaker 22: real counter intelligence operations running operations against the Russians.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Jimmy, let me ask you a question before
Speaker 2: I finished this clip out, because you and I both
Speaker 2: read a lot of documentation and what this guy just
Speaker 2: said right here is kind of false. And I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be polite because we know that there were counterintelligence
Speaker 2: operations that were run against the Russians from fifty four
Speaker 2: to seventy four.
Speaker 3: That's not something that didn't exist.
Speaker 2: Okay, angle To had his own points of view, and
Speaker 2: also Engleton, Yeah, he was nuts, he was paranoid, We
Speaker 2: know that for certain. But we also know that he
Speaker 2: actually did a lot of things that people don't even
Speaker 2: realize that he should be credited for, regarding diplomatic connections
Speaker 2: that were not supposed to be made on his level
Speaker 2: but were later revealed as you know, above the board,
Speaker 2: diplomatic connections regarding various assets in Europe.
Speaker 1: Right, let's just let play out and then we could
Speaker 1: discuss it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but I'm just saying right there, that's that's
Speaker 2: a rough piece right there, that he's saying that you know,
Speaker 2: he ruined counterintelligence entirely, and that we had well.
Speaker 1: Let's put this way, there wasn't any successful counterintelligence programs. Well, say, damn.
Speaker 1: Success we had was with fake guys like Nasenko. But
Speaker 1: let's play the recording and hear what the man that
Speaker 1: was there has to say.
Speaker 3: No, I understand, let's hear what the man has to say.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: When I'm reading through tons of documents, though, the fact
Speaker 2: that he's saying there were no operations is flatly false. Now,
Speaker 2: there were no operations through counterintelligence sub section under Angleton
Speaker 2: that this guy was in on. But we also know
Speaker 2: that Angleton ran a whole bunch of weird stuff, and
Speaker 2: again success another story theory. Well, that's that's not my theory.
Speaker 3: That's what the PaperWorks is.
Speaker 1: Bruce. Now all it is your theory. Bruce Solely was
Speaker 1: actually the man who would have been doing those things,
Speaker 1: and he was a Dan kg be mole. Let's just
Speaker 1: play the recording.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, there's a lot of other sections
Speaker 2: to the agency that we're doing a lot of things.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a fan of the agency, but I
Speaker 2: would say, you know, again, I would have rather done
Speaker 2: some background on this first.
Speaker 3: But okay, let's play the rest.
Speaker 22: He had destroyed our Russian operational program for all.
Speaker 5: Those years, and I can forget that.
Speaker 22: But even after he left, the reputation count intelligence was
Speaker 22: so teened, it was so out of vogue for anybody
Speaker 22: to go into count intelligence that we had trouble attracting
Speaker 22: good people to go into counter intelligence. That persisted for many,
Speaker 22: many years.
Speaker 26: And at the same time, there actually were moles at
Speaker 26: CIA and other governmental institutions that correct me if I'm wrong, Jim,
Speaker 26: We're not being sought out because of this.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 22: Counter intelligence was use. It was worse than useless because
Speaker 22: it was preventing us from doing real counterintelligence. Some people
Speaker 22: said that Angleton could not have harmed us more if
Speaker 22: he'd been a Russian agent because he paralyzed, and we
Speaker 22: were not able to overcome that until much later. I
Speaker 22: would say that we really were only able to rehabilitate
Speaker 22: counter intelligence at the CIA in the late nineteen eighties,
Speaker 22: when we finally began to get our act together and
Speaker 22: good people win.
Speaker 3: It to It's okay. So that's the end of the clip.
Speaker 2: And then I guess they play music and probably promo
Speaker 2: for their teams team house thing.
Speaker 3: Which I'll give it.
Speaker 2: I'll give a link to I'll give a link to
Speaker 2: what one second, one second, one second, Jimmy, I will
Speaker 2: give a link to this and credit these podcasters along
Speaker 2: with the show notes, because that's the right thing to do,
Speaker 2: just to let you guys know. That'll be in the
Speaker 2: show notes, and you know whatever it is they're called.
Speaker 2: Let's see the team House. That's the name of the
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, and I believe the name of the podcast
Speaker 2: that these two guys run, who I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Now you were going to say, yeah, that's the good
Speaker 1: part about playing the first part. They've said all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but I don't want to run a promo.
Speaker 2: I want to acknowledge. You have to acknowledge. You got
Speaker 2: to give acknowledgment, you know, accreditation to somebody when you're
Speaker 2: playing their clip, and you got to do commentary for it.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you're just stealing their material. So we plan to
Speaker 2: turn this into a podcast. So I'm just letting you
Speaker 2: know this housekeeping stuff I gotta do. Man, Sorry, good.
Speaker 1: Right, trying to Oh yeah, so Angleton, Yeah, and believable.
Speaker 1: There's a hell of a little more than that. I
Speaker 1: watched this guy for hours and hours this James Olsen
Speaker 1: guy ended up with Engleton's job in the eighties, and
Speaker 1: it's worth watching if you're interested in the Cold War
Speaker 1: and in particular the JFK assassination. If you some people
Speaker 1: just think that boy that Angleton's the mastermind, well, first
Speaker 1: beyond actually maybe you should read the documents and then
Speaker 1: maybe you should watch this film for an instance. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so before I would go to Congress demanding well, let's
Speaker 1: just say I I's just seeing opportunities being wasted. I
Speaker 1: wish instead they would, you know, talk to others who
Speaker 1: have you know, we've all done our little studies, we
Speaker 1: all have our different takes on things. Maybe there should
Speaker 1: be some consultation before these declarations to the Congress and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Maybe someone else has some pretty damn good documentation.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with you on that point, that that
Speaker 2: task force and any further efforts to declassify things that
Speaker 2: are relevant to that time period.
Speaker 3: To the assassination, etc. Et cetera.
Speaker 2: These people require a bunch of consultation and from more
Speaker 2: than one source.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: Look, I appreciate what Jeff is doing, and I appreciate
Speaker 2: his work in the past. Obviously I've had him on
Speaker 2: this show. I've read a lot of his material. I
Speaker 2: respect him, but his is not the only point of
Speaker 2: view that could be relevant, helpful or enlightening regarding what
Speaker 2: to look for and why. Okay, just saying across the board,
Speaker 2: and who knows, you might stumble upon something that has
Speaker 2: more than one purpose for let's say, transparency that should
Speaker 2: have been had by the American people by now regarding
Speaker 2: a bunch of events, and somebody could do a hell
Speaker 2: of a lot of good for that particular cause if
Speaker 2: they were willing to listen to some others outside of
Speaker 2: those that they brought to testify.
Speaker 3: They're on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2: And the people they're consulting with. Now, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: eliminate anybody. I'm saying, add what do you think.
Speaker 1: Jimmy, Yeah, pretty much. I'm just saying, look more. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Stone, Morley and Dougenio or
Speaker 1: as they like to call him, do you good, Juda?
Speaker 1: And they know they all basically got the same packed
Speaker 1: everyone in the damn community except I don't know me
Speaker 1: apparently thanks the CIA did it. A couple of koops
Speaker 1: think that the mafia did it.
Speaker 2: What I don't know, well, I'm not a CIA did
Speaker 2: a guy, and I'm the guy who yelled at everybody
Speaker 2: for years the mafia is not responsible. But yeah, I've
Speaker 2: got different points of view on it too. And you know,
Speaker 2: saying that I'd be the greatest consult but I could
Speaker 2: be a somebody who could give some consultation here that
Speaker 2: would definitely differ from what they're getting now. And there
Speaker 2: are a bunch of people that have various areas of study.
Speaker 2: In fact, you know they've heard from Larry Hancock on
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill before without asking him to testify, when you know,
Speaker 2: with the UAP thing, and he's a responsible professor on
Speaker 2: a great many topics.
Speaker 3: Okay, just saying Larry Hancock would be.
Speaker 1: He would be excellent.
Speaker 21: He would be excellent because he's bless him and bless Wiseberg.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it, but they have
Speaker 1: that that they just will not be tempted.
Speaker 21: And to start with what Wiseberg would have called the
Speaker 21: siren song of conspiracy. As soon as they start what specifics,
Speaker 21: he backs out, says, no, no, no, you know what
Speaker 21: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He'll give you.
Speaker 21: What's known, the facts.
Speaker 1: And then your mind kind of fills in the blanks.
Speaker 1: And there's no real reason to you know, come up
Speaker 1: with serious conciencies when you just lay out facts the
Speaker 1: way those two guys can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only mistake Weisberg ever made really was with
Speaker 2: that photograph, and like, you know that that was it.
Speaker 2: Outside of that, you know, the guy, the guy really
Speaker 2: was remarkable in that he was not pulled down everybody
Speaker 2: else's rabbit hole, you know, and he was after a documentation.
Speaker 3: He was involved in a bunch of foiler lawsuits. Good stuff.
Speaker 3: Him and even David Rohan in the seventies, the two
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: You know, before we had the ARRB and before we
Speaker 2: had the HSCA be and you know, public knowledge and
Speaker 2: everything else, these guys were suing just to pull all
Speaker 2: kinds of things out and showing us where documents were missing,
Speaker 2: the executive sessions of the War Commission and things like
Speaker 2: this that they had to sue to get. And Weisberg
Speaker 2: knew what he was looking for, you know. So yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I would give you that there. But Larry is a
Speaker 2: is a unique individual and some of the people he's
Speaker 2: worked with could be very interesting consultants here, I.
Speaker 1: Would say, Stu, David Larry's I'll tell you something that's
Speaker 1: interesting about Larry.
Speaker 21: I had my dad, who's basically a novice, read his
Speaker 21: new book, and you know how Larry.
Speaker 1: Doesn't come out and say someone's guilty or anything like that, right, right,
Speaker 1: And then after my dad read it, I just said, so,
Speaker 1: so who does he think did it? My dad said,
Speaker 1: he seems to think the Cubans said it.
Speaker 21: And I said, our Cubans are the Cubans are.
Speaker 1: Cubans, said good, good job. Well, that is an excellent
Speaker 1: primary book, right in, an excellent book. I've read it,
Speaker 1: my dad's read it, and it's a good book. Everyone's
Speaker 1: to read it. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: No, when I told you on this show that when
Speaker 2: I've got hold of that book finally, and I had
Speaker 2: seen the drafts beforehand, But when I got hold of
Speaker 2: that book finally, what did I say? This is a textbook,
Speaker 2: This is a reference book and is absolutely you know,
Speaker 2: one of the best resources you're going to get on
Speaker 2: this historical character.
Speaker 3: You got any reason to complain about my viewpoint on.
Speaker 1: This, No, I just think that it's interesting. That's what
Speaker 1: my dad took away before that. He was mostly an.
Speaker 2: LBJ man, and I would say that even though I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily point, all of the blame on the same
Speaker 2: people that Larry does. I'm convinced that they were involved,
Speaker 2: So you know, take it as you like, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. I mean, there's a I bet
Speaker 1: if you ask, wasn't even the Eugenio and them, wouldn't
Speaker 1: they pretty much say the same people were the actual
Speaker 1: team in deely as say, for instance.
Speaker 3: I would or no, no, they wouldn't. It's it's really weird.
Speaker 3: And in fact, the Eugenio you.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'll discuss the Genio with you off air,
Speaker 2: because his viewpoint has shifted in a weird way. I
Speaker 2: was almost surprised that he was allowed to be part
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, I know he was there because
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone and his connection with him, and that's why
Speaker 2: he was there. But man, there is something weird going
Speaker 2: on with Jimmy at this point, and not you Jimmy anyway,
Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that. I don't want to say
Speaker 2: anything publicly, but people, you should take a look at
Speaker 2: his more recent presentations on this, and I don't mean
Speaker 2: the stuff that he publishes on his website. Take a
Speaker 2: look at some of the verbal presentations he's given for
Speaker 2: focused groups recently. And judge for yourself where he's changed
Speaker 2: up quite a bit in the past couple of years. Anyway, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: anything else you want to add here, or should we
Speaker 2: move around to whoever else is still remaining on the line.
Speaker 3: I got a feeling some people might have hung up.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe I'm wrong about that. Danny's still there. Looks
Speaker 2: like Kent is still there as well.
Speaker 10: That's all I had.
Speaker 1: Thanks for indulged to me. I thought it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I think anyone the JFK community or anyone interested in
Speaker 1: the Cold War might find it pretty interesting. But totally different, totally.
Speaker 1: You gotta admit this is a totally different look at
Speaker 1: Angleton than anyone else's. I mean, everyone else is present
Speaker 1: this guy like, Oh, nothing gets by this guy. He's
Speaker 1: he's almost godlike, he's a genius. Just ask him.
Speaker 2: You might want to go back in the You might
Speaker 2: want to go back in the archives with me and
Speaker 2: Carmine discussing this guy, because you find that. My viewpoint
Speaker 2: about Angleton is he's definitely a double edged razor. I mean,
Speaker 2: because he did some remarkable things, but he was also
Speaker 2: a paranoid mental case. Uh, you know, at certain points
Speaker 2: and his paranoia, as per usual, was going in the
Speaker 2: wrong direction, and it was pretty dangerous for him to
Speaker 2: be in control of so much of u CIA assets
Speaker 2: in counterintelligence. Uh, but that that you would have gotten
Speaker 2: out of the discussion with me and Carmine tracing through
Speaker 2: documents and stuff. But that's years ago, is so maybe
Speaker 2: people forgot about those shows. Anyway, Jimmy gonna put you
Speaker 2: on hold for now, and let's see. I know I
Speaker 2: said I'd get back around to Danny. So, Danny, I
Speaker 2: don't know how interesting you found that whole section. Maybe
Speaker 2: you got something else on your mind, but go ahead.
Speaker 6: No, I found that very interesting. I got to ask
Speaker 6: the question, why do paranoid metal pieces seem to rise
Speaker 6: to the top.
Speaker 1: Why is that so?
Speaker 3: I don't you know.
Speaker 2: When I was looking at who they were recruiting post
Speaker 2: World War Two, I asked myself that same question. You know,
Speaker 2: everybody points to paper clip, but nobody talks about who
Speaker 2: was actually in on paper clip, you know, and who
Speaker 2: they actually recruited. Some of those guys, not just the
Speaker 2: Werner von Brauns, you know that they brought across because duh, science, rockets,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Some of the intelligence guys they brought across.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they are weird studies. And you know,
Speaker 2: do you have any you know, do you have any
Speaker 2: I don't know what would we call standards regarding who
Speaker 2: it is you're willing to recruit.
Speaker 3: Because they're recruiting.
Speaker 2: Holy crap, they were recruiting surveillance guys that were insane
Speaker 2: from the from the Germans. And I'm going, why in
Speaker 2: the world I wouldn't let this guy in my house
Speaker 2: to feed my dogs while I was.
Speaker 3: Away for the day. And they're bringing them into the CIA.
Speaker 3: I'm going, this is insane.
Speaker 2: Their own psychological evaluations would tell them that these guys
Speaker 2: were paranoid, violent, this and that, and they're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: let's bring them over to the US, and you know,
Speaker 2: we'll wipe the record clean. They're not war criminals. Well,
Speaker 2: at least we'll tell people they're not war criminals. But anyway,
Speaker 2: you know, it was crazy looking at paper clip man.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, people
Speaker 2: do rise in certain positions when they have compromised personalities.
Speaker 2: I guess to be a good general category.
Speaker 6: But but we'll be allowed to happen. I mean, just
Speaker 6: just just give you just a more recent thing. You know,
Speaker 6: look at the Epstein Flea deal. He's intelligence hands off. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I know, how how how did we just possibly let
Speaker 6: that go? Well, I mean I've never understood that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I noticed that. I noticed Epstein is not
Speaker 2: on the list of stuff for Tulsea Gabbard to get to.
Speaker 3: Hey, b Pete, you're still with us, man, Yeah, I'm here. Cool.
Speaker 2: You got any thoughts on any of this stuff or
Speaker 2: the question Danny asked.
Speaker 4: No regards to Jimmy Engleton, I don't know. I've never
Speaker 4: been able to get a fix on Angleton. I figured
Speaker 4: he was just a dirty intelligence off like the rest
Speaker 4: of them. He had goods on people, and they manipulated
Speaker 4: people to get what they wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5: I think it was in Kennedy. I think there's a
Speaker 5: chance he very well could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, it is also it's also possible
Speaker 2: to be a dirty, dirty problem and a genius at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 3: You can be more than one thing, too, right.
Speaker 4: I mean absolutely, it wasn't for evil geniuses Superman's the
Speaker 4: Superman franchise when I never got off the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be bored man, just you know, waiting around
Speaker 2: for when Lois decides to trip and fall down a
Speaker 2: manhole or something.
Speaker 3: Right, Danny, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: But about Danny's question, what do you what do you
Speaker 2: think about that idea that it seems like only you know,
Speaker 2: paranoid nutcases rise up in the ranks in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: Well, it's just paranoid nutcases in a well, if you
Speaker 4: would imagine a terrarium or an aquarium, you've got a
Speaker 4: bunch of psycho nutcases in a psycho nutcase world. People
Speaker 4: that I have met that have worked for intelligence agencies
Speaker 4: for the most of them were complete nutbags, and somehow
Speaker 4: maybe that's a prerequisite to be hired. And some that
Speaker 4: I've talked to family members connected with agencies that.
Speaker 6: Really have no.
Speaker 5: They have no outward look whatsoever.
Speaker 4: It's whatever they get through the agencies that they're working for,
Speaker 4: and that's what they feed on.
Speaker 5: So, you know, organizations like that, a military, any of these.
Speaker 4: Three letter acronyms that you can find throughout government, they
Speaker 4: seem to attract nutjobs.
Speaker 3: Fair enough.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've always been told I should take it
Speaker 2: as a compliment that I didn't get that job with
Speaker 2: the NSA back in two thousand and one or two, right,
Speaker 2: was that.
Speaker 5: No, they'll tell you, like they told me in the Army,
Speaker 5: you're too logical to be here.
Speaker 10: You need to go.
Speaker 9: Okay, applied to.
Speaker 3: Be a signals analyst.
Speaker 2: I know I've admitted that on this show before, but
Speaker 2: I don't remember if I did it on a Friday night.
Speaker 2: I did apply to be an NSA signals analyst, so
Speaker 2: you know, and they they they were doing the interviews,
Speaker 2: they went to interview people. I can tell you that
Speaker 2: it was my you know now x and dead in
Speaker 2: fact wife that screwed it up, uh in my mind.
Speaker 3: But they didn't tell me why I failed exactly.
Speaker 2: But I failed to get through their uh their background
Speaker 2: and uh you know examination.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 4: I did a good Over the years, a lot of
Speaker 4: these personality tests that you have to take before certain
Speaker 4: places will hire you, and I always get told, well,
Speaker 4: you know, we had some questions about some of your
Speaker 4: answers on the test, and.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, do you want to discuss it? Well, no,
Speaker 5: we're not going to offer you the position. It was like, okay,
Speaker 5: and you.
Speaker 4: I've had people to say that they have looked at
Speaker 4: my answers and said, you're two stic of most people.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And it's like, well, you know, my parents raised me
Speaker 4: to tell the truth. They didn't tell me that not
Speaker 4: everybody tells the truth.
Speaker 5: That was the problem. You get very skeptical over the years.
Speaker 5: I don't trust the band soul so father and I
Speaker 5: can thrown.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I hear you, so, Danny, Yeah, you're right, Danny,
Speaker 2: your your your thoughts on that feedback.
Speaker 6: I'm kind of like like VP, that was raised to
Speaker 6: tell the truth, and I've always believed, like you know,
Speaker 6: the truth is such a free I mean, it just
Speaker 6: I sleep better at night. I'm not good lying, if
Speaker 6: that makes any sense. It's difficult, So I get, I
Speaker 6: get where VP is coming from, right, It's just much
Speaker 6: easier to for your conscious to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: Yea, No, that's what it boils down to.
Speaker 2: And I mean, if I'm honest about the way I
Speaker 2: was raised, I'm supposed to say all the things that
Speaker 2: you guys are saying, but that's not the way I operate,
Speaker 2: and that's the way I'm supposed to go, and I
Speaker 2: rebelled against that. So you know, I was raised with
Speaker 2: the concept of duality. You have a performance that you
Speaker 2: put on for certain people, and then you have your
Speaker 2: rock bottom. You know, here's what your actual ethics are,
Speaker 2: and you don't share those with everybody because if you
Speaker 2: do that, they might be able to predict exactly what
Speaker 2: you're going to do.
Speaker 3: So defensively, yea.
Speaker 4: In most of these groups and organizations, you have a
Speaker 4: lot of egomaniacs that are citing each other to their
Speaker 4: way to the top, because that's where the power lies.
Speaker 6: And it's.
Speaker 5: All egomaniacs.
Speaker 4: You know, there's not a government agency out there that
Speaker 4: I have a bunch of egomaniacs. Like politicians, most of
Speaker 4: them are narcissists. Well what you say that, Well, as
Speaker 4: much as they promote themselves and think that they're going
Speaker 4: to be the answer to the world's problems, I'm sorry metapoliticians.
Speaker 5: And yet it wasn't a narcissist, no.
Speaker 3: Exactly right. And the other problem. See, this is where
Speaker 3: I fail.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I've been told that I fail
Speaker 2: in certain personality tests because I'm not driven by a
Speaker 2: self aggrandization, like there's no way to like hook into me, like,
Speaker 2: well listen.
Speaker 3: Well we'll reward you, we'll elevate you and this and that,
Speaker 3: and I don't really care about that. I never have.
Speaker 2: And that's what my problem is is I'm not the active,
Speaker 2: narcissistic self promoter, you know. I know people think that's
Speaker 2: strange you slap your name on everything, and well as
Speaker 2: just unoriginal thinking.
Speaker 3: There, that's all that is. And also I know nobody
Speaker 3: else will steal it. That's all.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of defense. Again, I'm a defensive thinker.
Speaker 2: I mean, what am I supposed to do with that?
Speaker 3: Anyways? It is what it is.
Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you there's a difference in psychology,
Speaker 2: and probably I would not have I could have done
Speaker 2: well in an intelligence agency, but I would have never been, like,
Speaker 2: you know, the chief of anything big because I would
Speaker 2: have never sought it. You know, I would have just
Speaker 2: wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be.
Speaker 5: Honest with you, I don't it would have lasted long
Speaker 5: because I don't think we can kiss ass.
Speaker 2: There's another problem. There's another problem, and that's the other
Speaker 2: weird thing is that these guys are bending themselves into
Speaker 2: pretzels trying to kiss their own asses, and yet they
Speaker 2: have to spend a lot of time kissing other people's
Speaker 2: asses to advance, right, and that's another weird aspect of it.
Speaker 2: So you take that with whatever other mental health issues
Speaker 2: these people have, and you throw it into a pot,
Speaker 2: and what do you get? Crazy soup? You know, and
Speaker 2: you wonder how anything functions. So and Angleton was a nut.
Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody says. He was definitely unhinged often, so,
Speaker 2: you know, but were you allowed to say that?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: Good? What was that be, Pete?
Speaker 5: I said, I think most of them are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. So Danny, it looks like we're getting
Speaker 2: close to the end time here. Oh we are at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 3: Crap, all right, guys, here's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just kind of close this out here, and
Speaker 2: we got to get over to the Age of transitions.
Speaker 2: That's just the way it is. And I think Aaron
Speaker 2: might even have a guest and we'll do uncle after that.
Speaker 2: So coming up the age of transitions, Beat Pete, I
Speaker 2: want to thank you. I want to thank Jimmy, and
Speaker 2: I want to thank Kent and also Danny for calling
Speaker 2: in our friend in What the hell was the name
Speaker 2: of that place? Early Mark, California sounds like a convenience store,
Speaker 2: but Early Mark, California call back in next week.
Speaker 3: Man, we'll do this again. Final word, be.
Speaker 4: Pete, Well, tell everybody to go to Ochilly dot com
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Speaker 4: my money where my mouth is, so you know, I'm
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Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I might even expand this to video the call in
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Speaker 2: because we are going to have to get some new
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Speaker 2: piece not lyon. He definitely contributes and I appreciate that,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate.
Speaker 3: All of you that do the same.
Speaker 2: Danny has I know that for sure, and so has
Speaker 2: Jimmy James. These guys do put their mouth where their
Speaker 2: money is, and their money where their mouth is. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's sanitary, but it is the way
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Speaker 3: Joke.
Speaker 2: Sorry, about that, but anyway, I am merely o'ceelly. All
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