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<v Speaker 1>Get ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, hey, it's the eleventh day of April.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of wish it was May. I would have

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<v Speaker 3>made it rhyme.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Friar's day as it is, and time for

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<v Speaker 2>the open mic live Friday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I took extra time getting ready because I had a

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<v Speaker 2>little software difficulty and had to reload stuff and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple of people listen to me on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines, because tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the night for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Please be a part of this tonight show us what

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<v Speaker 2>you got, talk to us about whatever you want, and

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<v Speaker 2>the deal is we'll just have to juggle it somehow

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<v Speaker 2>or other Friday nights. And here's the way you can

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<v Speaker 2>join us, at least for now until they cancel Skype

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<v Speaker 2>and I've got to rearrange how I'm gonna do my

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<v Speaker 2>calling system and everything over the next couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>but all the way up to May fifth, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>This will be the number three one nine five two

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<v Speaker 2>seven five zero one six. That's three one nine five

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<v Speaker 2>two seven five zero one six. My co host Bpte

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<v Speaker 2>is with me, and I hope you join us also.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a wild week, be Pete. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what your thoughts are on the news, et cetera, or

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<v Speaker 2>the lack thereof or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's going on? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Before we jump right to a couple of callers, we

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<v Speaker 2>got on the line already.

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<v Speaker 3>What's on your mind? First?

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<v Speaker 4>Right off the bat, Well, you know, this week's been

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<v Speaker 4>chaos and the news with everything coming out of DC.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we're gonna put a tariff here. We're gonna say, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna wait on this tariff, but no, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>put that.

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<v Speaker 6>One in place.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, just a few headlines here that I've got right

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<v Speaker 4>off the bat, dropping oil prices as a boost to

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<v Speaker 4>the US economy, March defson unexpectedly tumbles to a five

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<v Speaker 4>year low.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess so if they're cutting everything, Trump's tariff pauses

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<v Speaker 5>focus is trade war on China.

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<v Speaker 4>Markets bounce, and the US inflation rate falls to two

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<v Speaker 4>point four percent in March, lower than expected.

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<v Speaker 5>But there's one other headline that really caught my attention.

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<v Speaker 4>Breaking Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard confirmed photo machines

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<v Speaker 4>that been hacked to manipulate America's elections.

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<v Speaker 5>So maybe we'll be hearing something about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, So well.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm off of some other issue that's you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>want to shove to the back.

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<v Speaker 3>But sure, sure, well you know, Tulsi Gabbart, I know you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're always on the alert for her headlines, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>also look, I gotta be honest, I know that your

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<v Speaker 2>news feed preferences are definitely going to be biased in

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<v Speaker 2>one direction, because that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not the way the headlines look if you go to.

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<v Speaker 2>The objective sites or the left wing media, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality of the circumstance, I see it as

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<v Speaker 2>a big collusion by the way, between the left and

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<v Speaker 2>the right hand shaking each other and maybe shaking each

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<v Speaker 2>other a little too rapidly, a little too often. What

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<v Speaker 2>does that sound like to you? But hey, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>about my point of view tonight, it's about everybody Else's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of funny. Tulsa Gabbard, though, made other headlines this

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<v Speaker 2>week regarding the MLK and RFK thing, and maybe just

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she's being pushed now to get some transparency out

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<v Speaker 2>there about those things, as per Trump's executive order from January, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know that's another headline we could be talking about.

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<v Speaker 7>Ye.

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<v Speaker 4>The JFK and MLK documents will be released in days RFK.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, exactly. But here's the thing in the email

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<v Speaker 2>chain that I'm part of, because there's a weird little

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of different email chains I'm part of.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them drive me nuts, some of them are informative,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of them about you know, among many JFK

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<v Speaker 2>assassination researchers. Of course, Larry Hancock pops up with the

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<v Speaker 2>most salient question possible, considering the fact that we've already

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<v Speaker 2>got and by the way, this was the question I

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<v Speaker 2>am asked when they put out the executive order, but

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<v Speaker 2>I put it aside hoping we'd get progress.

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<v Speaker 3>On JFK.

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<v Speaker 2>Considering that we already have the Special Unit Senator stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and the FBI stuff regarding RFK. Both of those things

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<v Speaker 2>have already been made public. And the investigative agency was

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<v Speaker 2>the LAPD, right, it was the ramparts section that one guy,

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<v Speaker 2>the head of it, you know, the head of the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation Special Unit Senator put out a book by the

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<v Speaker 2>same name, of course, but also that stuff's already public knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>What do the FEDS have on RFK?

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<v Speaker 2>A are they just going to create a document collection

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<v Speaker 2>for Bobby Kennedy Senior here and dump that of the

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<v Speaker 2>National Archives, which one is happening here? Because legitimately, what

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<v Speaker 2>do the FEDS have to say about this? Unless there's

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<v Speaker 2>some new stuff we don't actually know, But legitimately that's

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<v Speaker 2>a fair question, right, What the hell would the Fed

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say about RFK?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know? It is an interesting question, but it

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<v Speaker 5>sure is. I mean, there's no telling what's going to

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<v Speaker 5>come out.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we've been everybody's been hoping that some smoking

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<v Speaker 4>gun's going to come out for JFK, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>see it happening the RFK. There could be something new,

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe there's some reports on a little bit of investigating

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<v Speaker 4>that they did and they found out that things don't

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<v Speaker 4>add up.

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<v Speaker 5>Who knows, We'll just have to wait and see. Of course,

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<v Speaker 5>we never know. It's either been shredded or redacted. And

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<v Speaker 5>if they removed the redactions, then you know, what have

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<v Speaker 5>we got left?

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<v Speaker 4>What really do we have left that they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>provide us that wasn't destroyed years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we already know via Scott Yur that they either

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<v Speaker 2>lost or destroyed photographs. We already know that they destroyed

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of other materials, physical materials. They didn't preserve

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<v Speaker 2>it like they did allegedly regarding JFK, because they got

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<v Speaker 2>rid of those ceiling panels, photographs, eyewitness statements, and a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of other things they said were destroyed because what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell we convicted sir hand. That's the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the story. And even though he was paroled, the governor said,

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<v Speaker 2>no knewsome of course, the guy who's running a podcast now,

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<v Speaker 2>But keep up, everybody. I don't know there might be

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<v Speaker 2>new stuff to be heard here. I'll tell you why

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<v Speaker 2>they're floating headlines about Gabbard that are positive right now.

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<v Speaker 2>She's about to get a weird challenge regarding guess what

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<v Speaker 2>her voter integrity and an odd thing she did regarding

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<v Speaker 2>where she registered her place of residence where she decided

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<v Speaker 2>to vote. Did you see that headline in your new

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<v Speaker 2>speed And I know you pay attention to Tulsea because

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<v Speaker 2>well you got a soft.

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<v Speaker 5>Spot I've heard of.

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<v Speaker 4>That was they were going after a shift because he

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<v Speaker 4>bought a house in Maryland, was claiming a residency for

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<v Speaker 4>both to get certain loans.

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<v Speaker 5>But you can't both and run.

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<v Speaker 4>If he claims in Maryland, he can't run for a

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<v Speaker 4>seat in California.

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<v Speaker 5>So right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And she turned around and got a exemption in Texas

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<v Speaker 2>even though she claims to live in Hawaii, and she

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<v Speaker 2>cast a vote in Hawaii, So the Feds have a

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<v Speaker 2>right to ask which one is your actual residence because

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<v Speaker 2>and also Hawaii the state law requires that you maintain

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<v Speaker 2>your residence and your tax exemptions there in order to

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<v Speaker 2>vote there, because you're voting on things that pertain to Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, outside of the presidential part of the ballot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm thinking this is the counter narrative, which is

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<v Speaker 2>something that she's fully you know, fully got at her

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<v Speaker 2>fingertips now as the director of National Intelligence, right, just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>just saying, and it's going to be a game and

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<v Speaker 2>let's see how it goes. But the truth is, if

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration supports it.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll all get squashed. That'll be that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going to happen Adam shiff though,

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<v Speaker 2>because there are vendettas happening anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's just stuff with the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a whole lot of crap on the other side

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<v Speaker 4>that's been going on for so many years as being called.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know that you can end the caution.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's DC's modus operanda on everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Throw it in the back. You know, it's both sides.

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<v Speaker 4>I've told so many people you're not the clean house

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<v Speaker 4>to you actually clean house.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the political Look, it's the political power dynamic, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's your local sheriff, which, by the way, somebody slid

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<v Speaker 2>me a story about a new Jersey Let me see here.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me be specific about this. What is he again?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see police chief.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, a Jersey police chief accused of defecating on a

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<v Speaker 2>floor to harassed coworkers. Interesting story, totally believable, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>out of Bergen County, I think that's where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But many counties in Jersey would that be believable. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>see photograph north Bergen Police Department.

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<v Speaker 3>Chief.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Robert Farley. But look enough out of us. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to the callers in the order they appeared.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready for that?

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<v Speaker 9>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's see who we got first. But it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like we got Danny from California first. And that's you Danny, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it is, Yes, sir, listen. I wanted to thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for an envelope that I received from you this week,

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<v Speaker 2>and your bet is paid and all.

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<v Speaker 3>That good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll keep the rest of the contents of that envelope

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, but uh, it is uh, it's very interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you, and I hope you're doing well.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>California is a weird place to be. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>enough out of me, what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 6>I guess that weird place is normal for myself. So

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<v Speaker 6>I can't speak as far as weird or normal or

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<v Speaker 6>anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, you don't live near You don't live near LA,

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<v Speaker 2>do you.

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<v Speaker 6>No? I live in I live in northern California. The

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<v Speaker 6>right son still has a house in La has a house.

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<v Speaker 6>They have a very nice house and in Woodham Hills

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<v Speaker 6>that my daughter in lawed and they're wise. They let

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<v Speaker 6>it out for positive cash flow, gotcha. And I remember

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<v Speaker 6>Zilloy in it a few years ago, and I told them,

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<v Speaker 6>you're wise just to hold on to that piece of property.

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<v Speaker 6>It's you accumulate real estate, like Will Rogers says, you don't,

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<v Speaker 6>you don't sell real estate. So well, there you have it.

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<v Speaker 3>Much yeah, so much. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's great because in a time period where we

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<v Speaker 2>have a real estate hustler in the White House, who

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<v Speaker 2>is sending another real estate hustler to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>be the envoy for everything, including the Russian situation. Now

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<v Speaker 2>Whitkoff is his envoy for everything. Now, you would think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, La, the reason why I bring it

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<v Speaker 2>But I really truly felt like Los Angeles was from

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<v Speaker 2>another planet man. And I came from Jersey, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>been to New York City. It can't be any rougher

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. And it wasn't rougher, but it was otherworldly.

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<v Speaker 2>a city of angels, I don't think. So anyway, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>leave it at that, And we don't need to talk

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<v Speaker 2>la what's on your mind this week?

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<v Speaker 6>it's kind of just some synchronicity. I mean, April first

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<v Speaker 6>one one April second. I'm about ready to rename that

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<v Speaker 6>think stupid Day. You know, some people are talking about liberation,

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<v Speaker 6>but I think we've come full circle in this country.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm looking at you know, Dickens wrote a

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<v Speaker 6>Tale of two Cities. John Edwards, disgraced Politicans, had a

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<v Speaker 6>wonderful speech, even though he was full of crap, all

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<v Speaker 6>the tale of two America's. And I've now come to

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<v Speaker 6>the conclusion that we have right now a war gone,

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<v Speaker 6>a tale of two Americas that's been exposed. And I'll

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<v Speaker 6>take this from Elon must he said, And I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to use a word that now I guess we can

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<v Speaker 6>use is fighting retards. There's one division you have to

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<v Speaker 6>fight retards, and then there's others that are rooting for retards.

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<v Speaker 6>And I just I'm going to be point blank. I've

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<v Speaker 6>always wanted an industrial policy. I saw the dismantlement of

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<v Speaker 6>the industrial base, small small businesses, small farms, and the

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<v Speaker 6>little communities being destructed. But just this whole sale, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>better than the I'm the part of the deal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not really a pute hereing that stuff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>the the just to declare a cariff on everybody with

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<v Speaker 6>no rhyme or reason, with no industrial policy. So I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just I'm almost without words except I hear you take

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<v Speaker 6>my shots at Trump, but I'm I'm a little fired

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<v Speaker 6>up about about this mess.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm tired of it all. And to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, there's rhyme and reason to it. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what it is at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy from Shark Tank that they call mister Wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>seems to think it's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>In all that, and if you tune into Fox News

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, look, sey morons, we made the stock market

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<v Speaker 2>bounce back up again. Everything's all good. When meanwhile, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't care about that to begin with. I know some

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<v Speaker 2>of you have four oh one case, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>people were crying about that. My four oh one is

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<v Speaker 2>now a one oh one, k et cetera. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know this is just the way things are done. The

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<v Speaker 2>boom and the bust and the people that are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>make money when things are crashing is actually more people

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<v Speaker 2>than make money when things are climbing. So it is

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. And I found it fascinating that even

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<v Speaker 2>what was it today or yesterday? The Charles Schwab thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I find that funny. Literally, this guy over here, there's

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<v Speaker 2>really a guy named Charles Schwab, there really is.

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<v Speaker 3>He's over here right now. He made two and a

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<v Speaker 3>half billion dollars. Isn't it great?

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<v Speaker 2>You know Trump in the White House. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was hilarious and I just got to laugh at a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff at this point, man, look, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you gonna do. There's gonna be the back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth no matter what, and maybe we will accomplish something.

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<v Speaker 2>April is loaded with a ton of things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Theft Nation Day, which is tax Day on the fifteenth. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you got Hitler's birthday here in April. You got my

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<v Speaker 2>birthday on the seventh. You got April Fool's Day, which

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<v Speaker 2>they tried to chang the JFK hearings from April Fool's

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<v Speaker 2>Day to April second, but due to scheduling conflicts, they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't do it. Representative Luna said, but it is what

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<v Speaker 2>it is, and you know it's just a wild time man. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>stay locked and loaded. Let me get to somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>on the line, Danny, but I want to bring you back,

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<v Speaker 2>So hang on and we'll get We'll get more out

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<v Speaker 2>of you in a minute. I recognize another name on

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<v Speaker 2>the Uh, let's see on on yes on my phone

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<v Speaker 2>lines here. But I'm not going to introduce him. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let him introduce himself.

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<v Speaker 10>Normally i'd come on, I'd say finally spent Chet has

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<v Speaker 10>come back, and I'd say, ladies and General spank Cannis

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<v Speaker 10>entered the building. Oh, i'd say, acknowledge me. But gimmicks

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<v Speaker 10>aside today, I haven't been on in a while. I

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<v Speaker 10>just got to tell you I had a rude awakening.

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<v Speaker 10>And now I know that government's great, really, and everything

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<v Speaker 10>has been going on, it's great. I mean, look at that.

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<v Speaker 10>We're got some terrors going on. We're gonna raise it

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<v Speaker 10>the defense budget to one trillion. We're gonna support the

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<v Speaker 10>genocide even more.

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<v Speaker 11>Uh.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, by the way, if you're against the genocide,

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<v Speaker 10>you're anti Semitic. Don't forget that. Oh and we're and

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<v Speaker 10>we're gonna just you know, put tariffs on everybody, and

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<v Speaker 10>we're gonna do all this great stuff. It's such good

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<v Speaker 10>stuff is happening. I'm so happy, it's so proud to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the court, Hey, look the courts are agreeing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well you're about ten days late. But look the courts

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<v Speaker 2>are agreeing. They're turning around and saying, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>this this kid who didn't actually commit a crime due

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<v Speaker 2>to the Rubio declaration or whatever a memo where he said,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's a supporter of AMAS. Therefore we want to

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<v Speaker 2>eject him from the country, and we disqualified as green

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<v Speaker 2>card even though he's married to a pregnant lady. Here,

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<v Speaker 2>get him the hell out of the country. And the

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<v Speaker 2>court said, you know what you can, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go. I don't know. I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 2>It is a different time, and I think Trump might

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<v Speaker 2>even get a third term out of this because the majority,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend, is now aboard the Trump trade.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, what do you what do you do

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<v Speaker 3>at this point? Yeah? Good, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 10>I think a lot of people are turning because this

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<v Speaker 10>is what they voted for, you know, and all the

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<v Speaker 10>censorship by the way, you know, like you were just whoops,

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<v Speaker 10>where did he go?

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, what

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<v Speaker 3>happened here?

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<v Speaker 10>Dalized?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh there you are?

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<v Speaker 10>What did you know?

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<v Speaker 3>You got muted? You got muted?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you got muted for a second there. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why suddenly you were muted. Uh you said,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know what?

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<v Speaker 10>Sorry about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, go ahead, you're back.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I'm just saying that, you know, they had nothing

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<v Speaker 10>on that guy. They have nothing on that guy. He

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<v Speaker 10>didn't vandalize all that crazy stuff that Marco Rubio was

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<v Speaker 10>talking about. Don't you love all these neocons? You know,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, it just goes right back to what I said.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, I've spent over the last ten years talking

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<v Speaker 10>about Zionism and the central bankers, the guys at the

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<v Speaker 10>very top, and the Greater Israel project and connecting the dots.

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<v Speaker 10>And boy, let me tell you guys something right now,

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<v Speaker 10>I had no idea the rabbit hole went as deep

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<v Speaker 10>as it does. As we can see today, there's a

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<v Speaker 10>cult going on that they've are involved with. Trump's in

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<v Speaker 10>on it. They're they're they're completely controlling this country. It's

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<v Speaker 10>no longer maga, it's myga. Make Israel great again. This

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<v Speaker 10>is Israel first, and it's been for since Kennedy back.

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<v Speaker 10>I never realized how deep this this rabbit hole went.

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<v Speaker 10>But good lord, you are in bad shape and it's

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<v Speaker 10>scary times.

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<v Speaker 2>You've never heard this out of me, dude, No, I

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<v Speaker 2>never was closed, would you?

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<v Speaker 10>And you've never heard this out of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the weird thing to me is that I

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<v Speaker 2>used to hear this out of guys who would scream

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<v Speaker 2>and yell at me that I was some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, spineless scumbag because I wasn't yelling about Israel constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, look, it's not my bag.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see as many of these dots connecting as

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<v Speaker 2>you guys do.

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<v Speaker 3>I disagree with you, that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I see a lot of what you guys are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't see it all right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I used to say that, and people.

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<v Speaker 2>Would really try to take me, you know, to task

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<v Speaker 2>verbally in comments, all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the funny part.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there's a guy, literally the only guy I know

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<v Speaker 2>in Georgia, you know, face to face that will come

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<v Speaker 2>and talk to me about JFK stuff. Is absolutely obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with the idea that JFK was killed by the Masad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all the Jewish mafia, all this stuff. And I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have evidence to back that up. But he

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<v Speaker 2>swears he does, and he goes into all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>weird rabbit hole about it that don't actually connect to it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tells me about how they didn't have nukes.

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<v Speaker 10>And two, I'm no, no, no, I know, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 10>have evidence, but what I have evidence on now is

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<v Speaker 10>a greater Israel project. I mean, look what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, But now we go wait wait, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>let me get to let me get to something so.

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<v Speaker 2>I can ask you the big question, please, because I

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<v Speaker 2>got a big question for you. So now, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those people that used to yell that stuff and me,

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<v Speaker 2>not that guy, because he's obsessed with he wants people

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<v Speaker 2>to know that he's solved the Kennedy assassination, that Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Garrison was in on the cover up and everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>He says to me, this guy, because he was at

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<v Speaker 2>the mercy of the Jewish mafia, Jim Garrison was okay,

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<v Speaker 2>according to this guy, not me, not me, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>even this guy, right, all these people that have yelled

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff at me for years, the majority of them

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<v Speaker 2>now are all in with Trump. Think it's a great

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<v Speaker 2>idea that we take over Gaza. Remember the whole We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take over Gaza. We're going to make it

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<v Speaker 2>into a beautiful resort. And they're like, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is all great. Screw two state solution. How about two

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<v Speaker 2>steaks at the new resort, you know, the new Trump Plaza.

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<v Speaker 2>And god, so this is what they want to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and they say it's a great idea. And I say

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, wait a minute, aren't you guys the same

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<v Speaker 2>ones who used to say that American interests should not,

425
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<v Speaker 2>you know, keep sticking their nose in everybody else's affairs,

426
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<v Speaker 2>every other country, everywhere else. I mean, shouldn't we stay

427
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<v Speaker 2>out of it? Aren't you the same guys who used

428
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<v Speaker 2>to say that? And no, they're just nope, this is great.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Trump's gonna take it over and remake Gaza and we're gonna.

430
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<v Speaker 3>Move those people.

431
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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how it is. I mean, b Pete,

432
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<v Speaker 2>I know that you're a pro Israel guy, but the thing.

433
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<v Speaker 12>Is if they let's clay something, I'm not pro Israel

434
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<v Speaker 12>or not. Okay, I don't believe the run the world

435
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<v Speaker 12>like these other wing nuts out here.

436
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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, I.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Got you you, Okay, I find you to be pro

438
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<v Speaker 2>Israel because you seem to think that you know that

439
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.519
<v Speaker 2>they have a right to do all the things they're doing.

440
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<v Speaker 3>It seems like mostly am I wrong about that?

441
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<v Speaker 5>Or no, what are they doing? They don't have a

442
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<v Speaker 5>right to do?

443
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<v Speaker 10>Okay, genocide?

444
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you do understand you have.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you don't think you don't think you have

446
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<v Speaker 2>a pro Israel orientation, then no.

447
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<v Speaker 5>Let's take this a step at a time.

448
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want to. I just wanted to find out.

449
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<v Speaker 2>If you don't think you're pro Israel, I apologize and

450
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<v Speaker 2>I'll take that back. But it seems to me like

451
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<v Speaker 2>that's where you are.

452
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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, it's a.

453
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<v Speaker 5>Dress Ken's statement. He just said genocide.

454
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, there's not a genocide going on in Gaza.

455
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<v Speaker 10>If there were, there wouldn't.

456
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<v Speaker 4>Be Pedestinians in Gaza in the middle of the war.

457
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<v Speaker 10>What take their hospitals there? There's there there there, schools

458
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<v Speaker 10>blocking age, starving children. I mean, I don't know if

459
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<v Speaker 10>that's I don't. I don't know what your definition of

460
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<v Speaker 10>genocide is, but I think Webster would cover what I'm

461
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<v Speaker 10>talking about pretty easily.

462
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<v Speaker 5>You wait, and you brought up examples hospitals.

463
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, coloss is running a headquarters underneath the main hospital

464
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<v Speaker 4>in the northern section of Gossa.

465
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<v Speaker 5>You don't think that makes it a tall.

466
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<v Speaker 10>Every single one of them, every single one of those

467
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<v Speaker 10>hospitals has a boss of them. But guess what, there's

468
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<v Speaker 10>no evidence of it. So with you, dude, I'm kind

469
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<v Speaker 10>of disgusted the fact that you're going to argue this,

470
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<v Speaker 10>meet with with this in the first place.

471
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<v Speaker 5>Position You don't want to debate your position, you want to.

472
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<v Speaker 10>Make debated it. It's not even debatable. I mean, what

473
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<v Speaker 10>part do you want to how about the drinking fifteen

474
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<v Speaker 10>ambulance workers that just got you know, bulldozed and mass

475
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<v Speaker 10>graves and caught and ride about and they got caught

476
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<v Speaker 10>line the idea of that just happened. I mean, I

477
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<v Speaker 10>know what part of genocide you don't understand.

478
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, See, here's the thing. I don't want to go

479
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<v Speaker 3>there any debate.

480
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<v Speaker 10>I love you, brother, and everything else we're going to

481
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<v Speaker 10>agree to disagree.

482
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<v Speaker 3>This debate is going to go nowhere. That's that's why. Yeah,

483
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<v Speaker 3>go ahead, just be beaten.

484
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<v Speaker 4>You make statements that are falsehoods, they have to be debated,

485
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<v Speaker 4>and you don't want to debate them. Simple, that's what

486
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 4>it comes down to. You don't want to debate it.

487
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.319
<v Speaker 4>Now if you want to set up a knife, what

488
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<v Speaker 4>they need.

489
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<v Speaker 10>To debate about genocide? I mean, do you want to

490
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<v Speaker 10>look up the definition and start seeing with what's been

491
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<v Speaker 10>going on? I mean, do we have to go step

492
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<v Speaker 10>by step?

493
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<v Speaker 3>See you have to.

494
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<v Speaker 10>Hold your hand. I mean, like, what's going on here?

495
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<v Speaker 10>What do you want?

496
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<v Speaker 13>All right, look, one of you, I'd like one of

497
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:40.759
<v Speaker 13>this is not genocide.

498
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<v Speaker 2>I'd really love one of you to just not and

499
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<v Speaker 2>not continue on this path because it's going to go nowhere.

500
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<v Speaker 3>But if you want to argue about it, go ahead.

501
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<v Speaker 14>No.

502
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<v Speaker 10>I mean, I was just trying to make my point

503
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<v Speaker 10>about what's going on here, and it's like, I'm not

504
00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 10>in all these conspiracy theories. Let me tell you something.

505
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<v Speaker 10>If the roles were reversed in the Stenians were doing

506
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<v Speaker 10>this to the Israeli people, I would be one hundred

507
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<v Speaker 10>percent for this Raeli people. I'm against genocide. I'm a

508
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<v Speaker 10>human rights activist. I've been one for years, boots on

509
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<v Speaker 10>the ground, I'm the radio, several radio shows, including this.

510
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<v Speaker 10>Let me ask one question.

511
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<v Speaker 5>A Moss justified in their attack on October seventh.

512
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<v Speaker 10>They weren't justified because civilians were involved. If civilians weren't

513
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<v Speaker 10>involved and it was completely military, they'd absolutely be justified

514
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<v Speaker 10>because and they are, by by the way, by the

515
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<v Speaker 10>international law to be justified to go, you know, rise

516
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<v Speaker 10>up against oppression. You're allowed to rise up. And if

517
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 10>they're getting oppressed and your lands invaded, you get to

518
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<v Speaker 10>fight back. It's that's self defense.

519
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 5>Their land wasn't invaded. Nobody invaded Gasa.

520
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<v Speaker 4>In fact, they gave Israel pulled out of Gaza and

521
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<v Speaker 4>left them Gaza.

522
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<v Speaker 10>They can't leave. They don't have the rights to vote,

523
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<v Speaker 10>They can't do everything down to their calorie like thread

524
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<v Speaker 10>in by Israel. They are in apartheid state or what

525
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<v Speaker 10>are you talking about?

526
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<v Speaker 5>Wait a minute, who took away their right to vote?

527
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<v Speaker 6>Amas?

528
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<v Speaker 4>Amas is the group that they voted in. Israel doesn't

529
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<v Speaker 4>have anything to do with that. Gaza was self governed.

530
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<v Speaker 13>Israel doesn't let them leave. Israel doesn't give them any

531
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<v Speaker 13>rights whatsoever. They control the water, they control the electricity,

532
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:32.519
<v Speaker 13>but they control the aide that goes in there. They

533
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<v Speaker 13>control everything.

534
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<v Speaker 10>Are you talking about?

535
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<v Speaker 5>Why doesn't Egypt let them leave?

536
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Because Egypt doesn't want to allow them into their country.

537
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.799
<v Speaker 10>The Egypt doesn't want them. It's not Egypt's business.

538
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.440
<v Speaker 13>This is Palestinian lands.

539
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<v Speaker 4>If it's not Egypt's business, why is it Israel's business?

540
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.519
<v Speaker 4>They both have a border on Gaza. Palestinians can leave

541
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<v Speaker 4>and when you consider that, a lot of them, you

542
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<v Speaker 4>can leave where you have the Muslim good in Egypt.

543
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>So what is it that?

544
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 13>Why is it Israel has to adis are not only Muslim,

545
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 13>they're Christian, Jewish, They're all kinds of different things.

546
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 5>Israel to a level that you don't hold Egypt to.

547
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 5>Why and they're fellow Buslims.

548
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:21.559
<v Speaker 13>Why because Egypt's not going in and invading their land

549
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.000
<v Speaker 13>and kicking them off in the West Bank and in Gaza.

550
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 13>Egypt's not the one that rough about ten years sure

551
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 13>bombed on Gaza and destroyed it more than Hiroshima was.

552
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 10>That's why of the.

553
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 4>Country of Jordan gave the West Bank to Israel.

554
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 10>So what is it?

555
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 3>It's iron country?

556
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 13>Did not give the Spress Bank.

557
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:48.519
<v Speaker 10>It was Palestine. No, George is another country.

558
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 13>That bail is brought out by colonialism. You don't know

559
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<v Speaker 13>what's going on, VP, I'm sorry.

560
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<v Speaker 5>Exactly what's going on.

561
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:57.440
<v Speaker 4>And if you want to debate facts, I'll take you

562
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<v Speaker 4>on any time and let's rock.

563
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you guys can arrange if you guys want to

564
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 2>agree to a date to come on and have a debate.

565
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Here's the problem though, one if you're gonna have to

566
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.200
<v Speaker 2>take turns and you're gonna have to accept somebody controlling

567
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>the mute button because you're yelling over each other.

568
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:18.960
<v Speaker 10>I don't want to yell. Yeah, I got you.

569
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>You're yelling over You're just yelling over each other. And

570
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.559
<v Speaker 2>that's all that people are hearing right now. I know

571
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>both of you are trying to make a point, but

572
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.240
<v Speaker 2>believe it or not, be Pete, the stuff you're saying

573
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>would kind of qualify in my mind as yeah, you're

574
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<v Speaker 2>pro Israel, that's all. Okay, that's the only thing I

575
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.799
<v Speaker 2>was trying to say. And sorry, if you don't think

576
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>that's right.

577
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.039
<v Speaker 4>Okay, you can take that position on my position. If

578
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 4>you wish I'm not pro Israel. What I'm against is

579
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 4>all of this, this animist that gets thrown towards is Neil.

580
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.839
<v Speaker 4>Let's start with the comment, yeah, the twos run everything.

581
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 4>That's basically where Ken started. Well there's a big rabbit

582
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:01.480
<v Speaker 4>hole and there's a big cabal, and we're all tied.

583
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, true, okay, but but here's the thing

584
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.759
<v Speaker 2>that's a point of view, and if you guys want

585
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>to have a debate about that, then you know, we

586
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>could just do that one night if you want. But

587
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>like I said, we'd have to have you take turns

588
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>like here, here's your five minutes, here's your five minutes,

589
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 2>and just go over and back and forth. Fine, state

590
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>your cases, but if you're going to just yell at

591
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>each other, it becomes very difficult to listen to, to

592
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>be honest with you, I.

593
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<v Speaker 10>Mean, I don't I mean suck. I mean, I don't

594
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:31.599
<v Speaker 10>know how many times I have to say this, And

595
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.319
<v Speaker 10>I've said it on multiple shows everywhere else anywhere anybody

596
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 10>has known me for over a decade. We'll tell you

597
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.839
<v Speaker 10>my views are not against Jewish, it's not anti Semi.

598
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 10>It's against Zionism. It's against debating the land and taking it.

599
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 2>But when when somebody who is that's what I am.

600
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I get listen, I get what what's that? Bepet you're

601
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to say something?

602
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 5>No, just sorry, I'm laughing. Okay, scientism, same thing.

603
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Well it's actually not.

604
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.720
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, the thing is there is Look,

605
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>there is a way to explain this and go over it.

606
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 2>And there was a whole you know, subgroup there that

607
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.079
<v Speaker 2>was all about the Zionist movement in the eighteen hundreds

608
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.200
<v Speaker 2>and the seventeen hundreds, even at a certain point, you know,

609
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>way before the Holocaust and all that. That has a

610
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>lot to do with what it is Ken is probably

611
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<v Speaker 2>talking about.

612
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how well read he is on it

613
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 3>when they.

614
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 10>Got the power. So okay, in nineteen thirteen, the Federal

615
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 10>Reserve came into America. So you just let's keep arguing.

616
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't don't. I don't want to keep arguing.

617
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing there. There's a whole thing to unpack there.

618
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<v Speaker 2>If you want to go into it, somenight, that's great.

619
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 3>But you know what, it's his default position, Okay.

620
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Ken's default position is an automatic problem for your default

621
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 2>position be pete. So you know, stating that the nation

622
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.519
<v Speaker 2>state of Israel is one thing immediately. You two don't

623
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 2>define it the same way immediately. The two of you

624
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 2>don't define what Palestinians are the same way immediately. So

625
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>this is a complete clash of worldviews. And you know

626
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 2>that's not gonna let anybody get anything out if you

627
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 2>guys are going to argue over it. But if you

628
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>want to debate things back and forth and strategically explain

629
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>each of the issues, some night, we could arrange to

630
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 2>do that.

631
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 3>But I don't think it's gonna happen. You're impromptu. Look

632
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 3>tell you what I'm gonna do here is real quick.

633
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm just.

634
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Gonna put you.

635
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put you on hold temporarily. I'm gonna put

636
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 2>you on hold temporarily. I'm gonna put the show on hold, temporarily.

637
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<v Speaker 2>Calm down, everybody, calm down, and let's just take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break, all right, And I'm gonna come back and

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<v Speaker 2>handle the rest of his own lines. And everybody else

640
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<v Speaker 2>who was waiting and listening to that go back and forth,

641
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, maybe you got some food for thought there,

642
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you didn't. Segment number two of the Ocelli Effect

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<v Speaker 2>Friday Night Open Mic coming up next.

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<v Speaker 11>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

645
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<v Speaker 11>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

646
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<v Speaker 11>the context of the times, and reveals never before published

647
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<v Speaker 11>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 11>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 11>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 11>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

651
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<v Speaker 11>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

652
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<v Speaker 11>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 11>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 11>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 11>island armed with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 11>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 11>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 11>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 11>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 11>up against. For more information, the Warstate dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like history?

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<v Speaker 8>Real history that you were never taught in schools? Why

663
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<v Speaker 8>the Vietnam War, nuclear bombs in nation building in Southeast Asia?

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<v Speaker 8>By author Mike Swanson, with new documentation never seen before

665
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<v Speaker 8>that'll open your eyes to events that led up to this.

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<v Speaker 8>Why the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in nation Building in

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<v Speaker 8>Southeast State nineteen forty five through nineteen sixty one. Get

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<v Speaker 8>your copy today at Amazon dot com. Why the Vietnam

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<v Speaker 8>War by author Mike Swants revel.

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<v Speaker 15>Through calm sage here, Oh shell, oh Sally, praise that day?

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<v Speaker 3>Cry uncle.

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<v Speaker 16>Do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said that

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<v Speaker 16>an Asian secret society was going to dispatch ninjas to

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<v Speaker 16>take down the Illuminati?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's interesting, Yeah in the Klatoon.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, did that ever work out too good?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 16>It didn't, did it didn't? But here on Ocelli dot

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<v Speaker 16>com radio network, things work out a bit better, don't They.

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<v Speaker 17>Much better, Much clear and understanding about the programs, the programs,

681
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<v Speaker 17>much clearer, getting live people into it. They really have

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<v Speaker 17>a good conversation going much better, much better scene.

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<v Speaker 16>I say, forget Benjamin Fulford and his ninjas and listen

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<v Speaker 16>to the Ochelly dot com radio network.

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<v Speaker 18>I agree, it's straight to the point, straight talk, and

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<v Speaker 18>I like that idea. Chilly dot com, Chili dot com,

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<v Speaker 18>we are.

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<v Speaker 16>Hey, Hey, hey, hey, hey.

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<v Speaker 3>Yo.

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<v Speaker 19>Yois Doug Campbell, host of the Dallas Action Podcast presented

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<v Speaker 19>by Wall Street Window, and you are listening to the

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<v Speaker 19>o'chilly Effect. Revelation through Conversation.

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<v Speaker 9>In Denial, Secret Wars with air Strikes and Tanks by

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<v Speaker 9>Larry Hancock. Secret wars became a staple of US covert

695
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<v Speaker 9>operations and are still happening today. Larry Hancock's book In

696
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<v Speaker 9>Denial rips the cover off many of them, using new files.

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<v Speaker 9>It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 9>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 9>really failed and why the United States did not learn

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<v Speaker 9>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 9>doing secret operations with more success. This is the book

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<v Speaker 9>that puts what some.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to deny into the light. In Denial, Secret Wars

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<v Speaker 2>with air Strikes and Thanks Larry Hancock. For more information,

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<v Speaker 2>go to Larry hyphen Handcock dot com. Pick up your

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<v Speaker 2>copy of In Denial at Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>In Digital or physical force, Revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 14>What's yours? Why don't get one around?

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<v Speaker 20>We'll brn it off? No, no, no one as small

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<v Speaker 20>as drugs regular help.

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<v Speaker 3>Help let me get ready.

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<v Speaker 15>For it, you'll tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>Second segment open mic night and here we are the

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<v Speaker 2>hazards of the call in show.

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<v Speaker 3>It is what it is, so we'll keep going here.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I got Jimmy James on the line, but

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear from anybody and everybody who

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<v Speaker 2>is listening. Do us a paper, give us a call in,

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<v Speaker 2>drop something else different on the table, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>continue on if you like, I mean, hell, if you

721
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<v Speaker 2>want me to open up all the lines and we

722
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<v Speaker 2>can just let everybody argue. We could do that for

723
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<v Speaker 2>the rest of what do we got another hour? But

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<v Speaker 2>we started about fifteen minutes late.

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<v Speaker 3>My fault there. But it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is Friday night, and we could talk about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred things. Or maybe it's what is the quote

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<v Speaker 2>from the article? I know I had an article in

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<v Speaker 2>front of me here about Tulca Gabbard. I meant to

730
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<v Speaker 2>bring up to be Pete, which I did real quick.

731
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<v Speaker 2>But let's see Tulci Gabbard. A hundred people working around

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<v Speaker 2>the clock on RFK and MLK assassination files. But like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Larry asked a great question in the private

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<v Speaker 2>email group, and I'd love to know what it is

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to do. But controversy swirling?

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<v Speaker 3>What a surprise? And isn't everybody tired of what's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tired of even trying to cover the news. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>could you tell last night when I did my news show?

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<v Speaker 2>Could you maybe maybe not? And Uh, I did hear

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<v Speaker 2>your feedback regarding my sources where I used certain sources

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<v Speaker 2>too much? Fine, I am switching my sources up and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll use different expositionary material to explain to you what

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<v Speaker 2>it is I'm seeing reported in ten places. I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>pick different examples.

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<v Speaker 3>No problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do that because I got to read like

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred articles before I can even put together fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes worth the show. Anyway, maybe that's a fault of mine,

751
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<v Speaker 2>my inefficiencies, but it is what it is. You could

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<v Speaker 2>tell me and teach me differently. Three one nine, five

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<v Speaker 2>two seven five zero one six three one nine five

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<v Speaker 2>two seven five zero one six. And I know I

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<v Speaker 2>got Jimmy James on the line, so let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>him real quick. Jimmy, what's on your mind this week?

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<v Speaker 21>All kinds of things, all kinds going on?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 11>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>How you man? You sound as groggy as I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you just wake up from a nap?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been up since the crack and noon,

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<v Speaker 1>but nice, I didn't sleep much because I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go sleep till like seven in the morning, reading

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<v Speaker 1>those well bring more JFK documents.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was doing some of that too. And by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, thank you for sending me that Watergate audio.

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<v Speaker 2>I did download it, so I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>temporary link's gone, but I appreciate it, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>sat down to listen to it, but believe me, the

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<v Speaker 2>next time I got to sit down and write out

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of stuff, I'm gonna put it on and

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<v Speaker 2>take a good listen because I love digging into the

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<v Speaker 2>audio files like that. It's it's great. Which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>been informed by some people that are working with Narraw

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<v Speaker 2>there are upcoming other pieces of material that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be added to the JFK collection. Because I did

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<v Speaker 2>notice and didn't make a big deal out of it

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump was slightly short on his eighty thousand documents

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<v Speaker 2>or eighty thousand pages that he said was going to

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<v Speaker 2>get put out and I figured close enough. He did

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<v Speaker 2>close enough so he actually followed through. But anyway, what

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<v Speaker 2>I discovered is that from people working at NARA, there

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<v Speaker 2>are additional documents that are being prepared and scanned, and

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<v Speaker 2>there is also going to be some multimedia material, so

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<v Speaker 2>we might get some new audio. I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to come of Luna trying to get those the

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<v Speaker 2>video stuff from NBC, but I do know that there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more documents added. It might only be

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<v Speaker 2>a handful, though, to the document collection, within the next

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<v Speaker 2>six weeks or so, I'm told. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>it's taken some damn long, but it might be new material.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, by the bye, we still haven't seen the

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<v Speaker 2>new FBI stuff, so that would be what did they say,

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<v Speaker 2>another twenty three hundred pages or two thousand or I

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<v Speaker 2>forget how many, but Cash Betel's having trouble getting it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember the number, Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 1>Because twenty four hondo twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Four somewhere in there, right, I mean if I said

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere between twenty and twenty five hundred, you'd say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in there. But whatever it is, love to see

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<v Speaker 2>the additional material that's the way I'm thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyhow, you were keeping yourself up with that all night.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I'm sure that's not the only thing on your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>But did you discover any I don't know, gems.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just this isn't new to me. But check

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<v Speaker 1>your email. Let me see what clip you got. I

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<v Speaker 1>just sent you a clip?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, earl does say?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it say it's promo? Is it a ten minute clip?

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<v Speaker 1>Nine minutes something like that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It just showed up, so let mean

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<v Speaker 3>give me a second.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, whoever's calling from Earlemont, California, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where that is, but stay on the line. Stop

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<v Speaker 2>hanging up. They keep calling in and hanging up. Please

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<v Speaker 2>hang out.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, what do we got here? Popeye the Sailor? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the clip?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Wrong link?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, I got a Popeye think which By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>this year, the original Popeye shorts became public domain. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if people know that, but public domain Day

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<v Speaker 2>happened in like January. I know everybody pays such close

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<v Speaker 2>attention to it. But Singing in the Rain became public domain. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>stuff made in nineteen twenty nine stuff that was copywritten

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<v Speaker 2>then has now run out of its copyright and become

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<v Speaker 2>public domain, and the first Popeye short is on that list.

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<v Speaker 2>I pay attention to copyright stuff because I have to anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jimmy, why don't you send me the right link

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, and and then this way I

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<v Speaker 2>can play it whatever it is, and we'll do that

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<v Speaker 2>as we go forward here.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, I'll get the right link and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll take me a minute, so go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>get the uh the other callers in and see what

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<v Speaker 1>they have to say, because mine might take about ten

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, all right, well you hang on then and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go back around. First of all, I promised Danny

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<v Speaker 2>real fast. Let me just check in with him before

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<v Speaker 2>I go to Kent. Uh, Danny, you mind, you might

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<v Speaker 2>hang you mind hanging out for a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go back over to Kent and then I'll come

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<v Speaker 2>back to you, and then Jimmy should be all set.

849
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Right, no worries, no worries to Hey, by the way,

850
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 3>did you know about that?

851
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you might be the kind of guy who's

852
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 2>interested in when stuff goes public domain? But did you know,

853
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the first Popeye short and also the first all color film,

854
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>was made in nineteen twenty nine, like all color, and

855
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>it does no longer exist in print. But if you

856
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 2>could find a copy of the first film ever made

857
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>on all in color, you could, you know, do an

858
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.159
<v Speaker 2>exposition of it, play it somewhere, upload it to YouTube.

859
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>No copyright problems at all. But the issue now exists

860
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 2>that only black and white prints exist of the film.

861
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to remember the name of it off the

862
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.440
<v Speaker 2>top of my head. But I did research, believe it

863
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.639
<v Speaker 2>or not. I do research on stuff like this sometimes too.

864
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.800
<v Speaker 2>But Popeye the Sailor the first all color film.

865
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Singing in the Rain I think that song.

866
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Happy Days Are Here Again also became public domain this year,

867
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:49.280
<v Speaker 2>And I figure, you're the kind of guy who keeps

868
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>track of that stuff you.

869
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 6>Do, right, Not really, I mean i've seen the original Popeyes.

870
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 6>That's hard too, but not really. It's I mean, I mean,

871
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 6>I will hear it in passing, but it's not like, Wow,

872
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.440
<v Speaker 6>that's someone to go down that. I mean, there's just

873
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 6>other things. I'm a little more interested, But I'm not,

874
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 6>like not disinterested in that type of subject matter. Why

875
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 6>it's kind of fascinated.

876
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Like last year, I think it was last year or

877
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the year before, the very first Mickey Mouse Steamboat Willie

878
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 2>version of Mickey Mouse is now public domain.

879
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, now that's always that's always fun.

880
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Now, just to be clear, Mickey Mouse is not public

881
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 2>domain because they've continued to use it. But the Steamboat

882
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Willy version of Mickey Mouse and Steamboat Willie is now

883
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 2>public domain, Okay, because of because of the year it

884
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 2>was released.

885
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go ahead, yeah, yeah.

886
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.039
<v Speaker 6>And I think your phone call that keeps dropping off.

887
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 6>I'm just curious that is that happened to be Early

888
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 6>Mart because that would be that would be that would

889
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.079
<v Speaker 6>be south of me, that would be near the Fresno area,

890
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 6>between Fresno and Bakersfield. There's just a small farming community

891
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 6>kind of like to buy a little bigger than the

892
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:00.559
<v Speaker 6>community I grew up in.

893
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 2>According to my call out, yes, according to my call log,

894
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.159
<v Speaker 2>you're correct, I missed the eye. I didn't realize it

895
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 2>until you said Early Mark, but yeah, I missed the eye.

896
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 1>There.

897
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>It is Early Mark, California that has called in and

898
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:13.440
<v Speaker 2>dropped a few times.

899
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yeah, yeah, they should call in. It's between Presno

900
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 6>and Bakersfield. Up the Highway ninety nine, Interstate ninety nine

901
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 6>and there. Yeah, it's a little farmingcare. There's probably some

902
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.440
<v Speaker 6>if they're a native from there's probably something we can

903
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:32.440
<v Speaker 6>relate to. As far as small farming communities in California

904
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.199
<v Speaker 6>comes of John Steinbeck mode.

905
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool, I'll tell you what early Mark California listener.

906
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Tell you what I'll do is, if you call in,

907
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you and Danny talk about California, if you

908
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.159
<v Speaker 2>want to put you both on the line at the

909
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.360
<v Speaker 2>same time. But Danny want to put you on hold

910
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.159
<v Speaker 2>for now and go back around to spend Kent and

911
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe he's got some other things on his mind,

912
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 2>or he wants to talk about what he was talking

913
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 2>about before. I don't know, but you know I wanted

914
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 2>to give everybody a breather, so I did. Anyways, Kent.

915
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.360
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I'm totally chill, guys. I mean, you guys got

916
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 10>to remember something. I'm not a statist. I don't perceive

917
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:16.679
<v Speaker 10>things the same way. I'm a voluntarist or an anarchist.

918
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 10>No rulers or master and you know this, Chuck, So,

919
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 10>I don't see borders is a big deal. I don't

920
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 10>see you know, religions is a big deal. I'll see

921
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.599
<v Speaker 10>any kind of state or authority is a big deal.

922
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 10>I care about people, care about people, give me, he

923
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 10>writes access. I care about the people.

924
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I know, can't let me.

925
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.480
<v Speaker 10>And when natural rights are are violated, I care about that.

926
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 10>So that's where I'm at. I'm not anti Semitic, I

927
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 10>don't I'm not out for the Jews.

928
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 3>Can let me, you know, Kent. Let me.

929
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Let me introduce you to an idea. I've never tried

930
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 2>to run by you because I've heard all this from you,

931
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and I heard all this from you when we did

932
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 2>we co hosted this kind of thing together. You know,

933
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I used to talk to you on other shows.

934
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 3>You and I have talked.

935
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 2>I know this, But let me just run something by you.

936
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.360
<v Speaker 2>You got to understand something from the other side, which

937
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.280
<v Speaker 2>is this. You know how there are people that react

938
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:18.119
<v Speaker 2>to if you tell them that you practice certain things

939
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to religion or politics or even sexuality.

940
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.840
<v Speaker 2>But let's just let's just go with the religious aspect,

941
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:27.400
<v Speaker 2>which is a little bit separate from the topic that

942
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 2>got everything heeded here, because that's kind of religion and

943
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.360
<v Speaker 2>politics blended together. In my mind, you know people that

944
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 2>get upset about certain things, like if you say that,

945
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>you know you participate in Wiccan or pagan practices in

946
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 2>one type or another. What some people hear you say

947
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 2>when you say that is like church, lady Satan. There

948
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>are some people when they hear the word anarchy, they

949
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.400
<v Speaker 2>hear the word chaos, they hear the word disorder, they

950
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.079
<v Speaker 2>hear the word oh my god, what's you're for is

951
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 2>a free for all. Everybody's gonna get hurt. You're obviously

952
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>an irresponsible idiot. That's what they're translating in their minds. No, no, no, no, no, no,

953
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.360
<v Speaker 2>but you but you know I know that's not what

954
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 2>you mean, and you know I know that that's not

955
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.039
<v Speaker 2>what the definition is. I'm saying to you that some

956
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 2>people hear things a certain way when you say it,

957
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and if you're gonna make big sweeping statements, you're gonna

958
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.719
<v Speaker 2>get big sweeping reactions from some people. It's just something

959
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.079
<v Speaker 2>I want you to put in your head. I don't

960
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 2>need you to answer it, respond to it. I'm not

961
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 2>debating you.

962
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 10>I also say anarchists, I'll say no rulers nor masters. Yeah,

963
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 10>I don't believe in government. And there's a reason for that.

964
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 10>Let's just look at the track record they are. Okay,

965
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 10>you see, from ars to pharaohs to the presidents. I

966
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.480
<v Speaker 10>don't believe in that stuffs for the people. It's never

967
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 10>gonna work for the people. Okay, But you see, that's

968
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.719
<v Speaker 10>what I talk about. So when I say anarchists, I

969
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 10>understand what you're saying. Hey, I'm an agnostic atheist, druid Bard.

970
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 10>You really want to get technical and all the way down,

971
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.719
<v Speaker 10>which which frankly people call me. But I don't believe

972
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.480
<v Speaker 10>in those gods or deities because I'm an agnostic atheist.

973
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Now, Frankly, a lot of different things.

974
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.280
<v Speaker 10>See, I'm for human rights. I care about human beings.

975
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Like Frankly, Like Frankly, to me, that didn't make any

976
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:33.800
<v Speaker 2>sense to me. Okay, I'm just telling you now, that

977
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense to me. How you end up

978
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.000
<v Speaker 2>being sort of like you know, a Bard and into

979
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.639
<v Speaker 2>that end of things and on that end of spirituality,

980
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.719
<v Speaker 2>and then also being an agnostic and an atheist, which

981
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:46.599
<v Speaker 2>are two different things.

982
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.639
<v Speaker 3>None of that makes any sense to me. And meanwhile,

983
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 3>when I explained to people, stop stop, stop stopping, don't know.

984
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't want you to explain.

985
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to explain a different point to you here.

986
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>It's not about the particulars hang on. The thing is

987
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.159
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't make any sense to me. But when I

988
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>explain to people that I am actually a minister and

989
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.639
<v Speaker 2>I do minister to people, and they say, well, which

990
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.159
<v Speaker 2>particular thing do you minister to people? And I say,

991
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a multi faith situation where I minister to people

992
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:22.639
<v Speaker 2>based on their orientation. Some people look at me like

993
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm nuts, and they go, that's not possible. You can't

994
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 2>possibly minister to people unless you believe the same thing

995
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:28.800
<v Speaker 2>they believe.

996
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 3>And I tell them, no, that's not the way it works.

997
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

998
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.000
<v Speaker 2>And if you want a practical example, you think about

999
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the guy who is, like, say, the chaplain in a

1000
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 2>military unit. He's going to serve the Christians, he's going

1001
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:46.840
<v Speaker 2>to serve the Jews, he's gonna serve the other people

1002
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 2>who just don't know what to make of anything and

1003
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.920
<v Speaker 2>just have a general belief in God. He's going to

1004
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 2>serve whoever asks him to serve them, because that's the

1005
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:59.280
<v Speaker 2>meaning of the word minister, is to serve someone to

1006
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.119
<v Speaker 2>give serve. So, okay, if you're a minister. You know,

1007
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 2>people think of administer, you know, but that's not it.

1008
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 2>That's a different thing to minister to someone is to

1009
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:12.760
<v Speaker 2>just serve them in their need. Now I can tell

1010
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 2>you that I can do that from a diverse set

1011
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 2>of directions. A lot of people tell me that's ridiculous

1012
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and makes no sense to them. So what I'm trying

1013
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 2>to point out is that when you make certain statements

1014
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:31.280
<v Speaker 2>that are very wide okay, and say a lot of

1015
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 2>things all at once, they're very loaded and it is

1016
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:39.719
<v Speaker 2>going to make people react a certain way. And like

1017
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, look, if you want to get people

1018
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to think, though, it's difficult to get them thinking if

1019
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 2>you're inciting them to yell at you.

1020
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:50.519
<v Speaker 3>A lot of times.

1021
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you this. I'm passing this to you

1022
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:54.920
<v Speaker 2>as advice. That's all I'm saying. And now I'm going

1023
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 2>to shut up. But I wanted to throw that at

1024
00:54:56.760 --> 00:55:00.440
<v Speaker 2>you because I'd like other people to think about this too. I'm,

1025
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, sorry, I'm kind of using you as an

1026
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.840
<v Speaker 2>example here, Kent, But oh, I got it.

1027
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 10>It's all good man. I mean, I'm always trying to

1028
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:13.000
<v Speaker 10>better myself in any way I can. It's not necessarily

1029
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:15.920
<v Speaker 10>saying I can't a buy human beings. That's what it

1030
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.480
<v Speaker 10>boils down to. My spirituality is a little bit like

1031
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:22.880
<v Speaker 10>the Druid, pagan or whatever. But no, I don't believe

1032
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Speaker 10>in the fairies. I don't believe in all that stuff. Obviously,

1033
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.440
<v Speaker 10>as as far as being an agnostic goes, I don't

1034
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.719
<v Speaker 10>believe there's a God until I have evidence. But it's

1035
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 10>being or excuse me, an atheist. But as an agnostic,

1036
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 10>I say, well, but I'm not sure. I'm open minded,

1037
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 10>That's all I'm saying. In my own way, I explain

1038
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:45.199
<v Speaker 10>it to anybody that knows. But I'm very spiritual with nature.

1039
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 10>And that's what I like about druidry and the Druids

1040
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.079
<v Speaker 10>and the old Celtic ways. The connection to nature see

1041
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:53.280
<v Speaker 10>my study.

1042
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Of Celtic practices and beliefs. Though, leads me to believe

1043
00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that in some shape or form.

1044
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 22>Uh.

1045
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:02.920
<v Speaker 2>You have an idea that the Earth in and of

1046
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:09.880
<v Speaker 2>itself is sentient and alive as a being. Right, So

1047
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the Earth is a greater, much larger, higher being than

1048
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.679
<v Speaker 2>our little human selves. You know, size doesn't really matter

1049
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.280
<v Speaker 2>in this case, And no I'm not talking about that,

1050
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>but you know what I'm saying.

1051
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.440
<v Speaker 10>Uh, the Earth didn't exist, we wouldn't exist. But that's

1052
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.440
<v Speaker 10>and that's I'm not saying like exactly what you're saying,

1053
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 10>But what you're saying is true.

1054
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:35.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a scientific fact. Without the Earth, we're gone.

1055
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is that without that science and without

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00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.400
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, usually what you're saying requires a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a belief in higher entities that would be gods,

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00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.519
<v Speaker 2>even if they're small g gods. Right, And so when

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00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you say that and then you mix it with atheist

1060
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and agnostic, I go, what the hell, I'm just breaking

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00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:58.920
<v Speaker 2>it down now, Okay, going into the particulars.

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00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.519
<v Speaker 10>That's kind of my thing doing like it's fun to

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00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 10>explain so I can understand where like you under like

1064
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 10>like whoa, whoa, I got it. But just to my spirituality,

1065
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:12.519
<v Speaker 10>But do I believe in a higher power yet? But

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<v Speaker 10>do I believe?

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00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:13.360
<v Speaker 6>No?

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00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.159
<v Speaker 10>But I do I believe there could be a higher

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00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 10>power absolutely.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean I promise you that in a nutshell right there.

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00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:20.599
<v Speaker 2>And I promise you I'm one of the most open

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00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 2>minded people you're ever going to meet, because I will

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00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.079
<v Speaker 2>literally sit and explain to somebody even though I don't

1074
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:28.800
<v Speaker 2>want to defend either position. Some people go Satan worship

1075
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 2>devil worship, same thing, and I go, actually not, you know,

1076
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 2>because I've taken the time to study and go, No

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00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Satanists believe in Basically you.

1078
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Want to break down.

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00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 2>The real shocker is that a real Satanist, the Church

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00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>of Satan people actually believe that they are God, that

1081
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:48.440
<v Speaker 2>they within themselves are God. A devil worshiper is just

1082
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>what it sounds like, a devil worshiper. And they're actually

1083
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 2>two different things. So you're, you know, your temple of

1084
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:53.719
<v Speaker 2>set But in.

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00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 10>Order to worship them, you have to believe in them.

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00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:58.360
<v Speaker 10>The point is, I don't believe in any of them

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00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.159
<v Speaker 10>any any any more than I believe in them a

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00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:04.159
<v Speaker 10>higher bier God. No, I believe there's possibility and everything else.

1089
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 10>But until I believe that, I'm not going to believe

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00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:09.280
<v Speaker 10>in no devil, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. But here's the thing. See, but here's the other thing.

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00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, Even though I would say that you know the Bible, okay,

1093
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 2>in air quotes the Bible, the Holy Book, whatever King

1094
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:26.239
<v Speaker 2>James version you've read, et cetera, it is simultaneously not

1095
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:29.920
<v Speaker 2>a historical document in my mind, but it is also

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00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the truth, and that is a position where people go,

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00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 2>what the hell are you talking about? There is a

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00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of truth in there, and it's not just little

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00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:42.400
<v Speaker 2>pieces of it. There is a whole greater truth in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then some people would say, well, then why are

1101
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you not a Christian? Because it's not the complete truth

1102
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:50.039
<v Speaker 2>in my mind and the complete truth lays elsewhere.

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00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.239
<v Speaker 3>And my personal beliefs.

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00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Again are different than the things I do when I

1105
00:58:55.840 --> 00:59:00.880
<v Speaker 2>minister to someone. So you know, here we go, things

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00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 2>are not there's a lot of nuances. Okay, that's all

1107
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get at. And you got to consider

1108
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:10.000
<v Speaker 2>that when you make sweeping statements about stuff like it's

1109
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.599
<v Speaker 2>really interesting. Like I got into a weird argument down

1110
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:15.360
<v Speaker 2>here down south, and I'm going to leave it at

1111
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.079
<v Speaker 2>this because I just had this odd thought while I

1112
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:22.119
<v Speaker 2>was listening to you guys. But this discussion came up

1113
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:26.079
<v Speaker 2>of like would you have sex with a dwarf for

1114
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a little person?

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00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Right? Yeah, Okay, well see now there's your answer. No, No,

1116
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I got you.

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00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.920
<v Speaker 2>But here's the weird thing about this conversation. Right, there's

1118
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 2>a group of guys there. It's me and four guys

1119
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:43.679
<v Speaker 2>that were born and bred here in the South, all right.

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00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.679
<v Speaker 2>The guys from down south here freaked out.

1121
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Like why would you do that? You know what I mean?

1122
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:54.440
<v Speaker 3>And it was like, well, why wouldn't you do that?

1123
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:55.360
<v Speaker 3>What's the you know?

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00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 2>And their idea is that a little person is akin

1125
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 2>to a child in their minds, right, So you're like

1126
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.719
<v Speaker 2>just creeping toward pedophilia if that's where you're going.

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01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:16.360
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm just telling you what their logic was. Okay,

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01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:18.719
<v Speaker 3>And the same thing happens.

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01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.880
<v Speaker 10>When they hear this, they off to go meet the

1130
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:25.039
<v Speaker 10>sheep down in Milton's Creek whatever in the barn.

1131
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.000
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, go ahead, listen, I got I got a

1132
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 3>hundred jokes. Okay, no no problem at all, Like like

1133
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:32.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, like.

1134
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Like somebody once said, hey, wait, you said you're you

1135
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:38.000
<v Speaker 2>said you're Italian, right, and I said yeah, and they said,

1136
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:39.760
<v Speaker 2>well you should be somewhere beating your wife.

1137
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Look, the point is that some of these guys, they

1139
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:48.079
<v Speaker 2>have certain ideas about things, and it's not and I'm

1140
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:50.199
<v Speaker 2>not even pointing to be pete on this, I'm saying

1141
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 2>that generally, when people hear certain things, they default in

1142
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:58.280
<v Speaker 2>positions based on their understanding. There are Christian guys who,

1143
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, I figure a pretty open mind mind. It

1144
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.119
<v Speaker 2>actually fairly what you would call socially liberal down south

1145
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.719
<v Speaker 2>here that I've run into who immediately equate a gay

1146
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 2>guy with again, a pedophile. If you're willing to do

1147
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 2>this with a guy, then guess what you're after children Like,

1148
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Speaker 2>there's no in between, no difference between the two.

1149
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.440
<v Speaker 3>It's all together, you know.

1150
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.559
<v Speaker 2>And I point out that this is why, you know,

1151
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.119
<v Speaker 2>they stress things like in the Bible that even if

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01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you find somebody laying with a man, yes, execute them

1153
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:32.719
<v Speaker 2>a man with a man, but also a man with

1154
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:33.239
<v Speaker 2>an animal.

1155
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.079
<v Speaker 3>Not only kill the guy, but kill the animal.

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01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:35.280
<v Speaker 20>Two.

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01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>It's very blanket sometimes, and people have these beliefs when

1158
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.599
<v Speaker 2>it comes to their politics, when it comes to their socialization,

1159
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.320
<v Speaker 2>their family connections, their religion, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 10>Yet in the Book of Joshua says kill all animals, humans,

1161
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:58.039
<v Speaker 10>everybody else except for the pre teen women will take

1162
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.719
<v Speaker 10>them as our own. So they kept the virgins alive.

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01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, because you can always yeah, you can always take

1164
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:06.280
<v Speaker 2>them and breed them into obscurity.

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01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.480
<v Speaker 3>And besides, well anyway I can make a joke there.

1166
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:13.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna but the thing is. There's a lot

1167
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:17.800
<v Speaker 3>to it, right, I'm just saying anyway, let's just see,

1168
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know how much time we got it.

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01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:21.199
<v Speaker 10>You're guys that we always read the Bible front of

1170
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.800
<v Speaker 10>the bag. I've studied all this and human history and

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01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:25.400
<v Speaker 10>everything else.

1172
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Me too.

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01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:28.079
<v Speaker 10>You know, I do absolutely know what I'm talking about

1174
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:29.239
<v Speaker 10>on these these topics.

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01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Believe I'll say this, I believe it or not. I'm ordained.

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01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually ordained as a reverend in more than one

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01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.599
<v Speaker 2>more than one face, So I get.

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01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.440
<v Speaker 10>It, gotcha, Okay, So I just want ever to know,

1179
01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:44.800
<v Speaker 10>is I'm not racist. I'm not against Jews or anything

1180
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.639
<v Speaker 10>like that. You know, I'm cool with BT if we

1181
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:50.719
<v Speaker 10>want to discuss something, that's fine. But you know, I'm

1182
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.400
<v Speaker 10>totally cool with you VP. But look for a long time.

1183
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Listen, he's serious about doing listening.

1184
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:58.880
<v Speaker 10>Again, I don't want him to know that I'm not

1185
01:02:59.039 --> 01:02:59.320
<v Speaker 10>one of.

1186
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:01.079
<v Speaker 3>These Yeah, okay, you already.

1187
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:04.679
<v Speaker 2>All right, you already said, you already said, but listen.

1188
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 2>He did also, and I want to get this out

1189
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.280
<v Speaker 2>before we lose track of it. He did say if

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01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:10.960
<v Speaker 2>you want to have a debate with him some night

1191
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:12.840
<v Speaker 2>on the show, that he's been willing to do that

1192
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 2>with you. So if you want to do that, do

1193
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.599
<v Speaker 2>me a favor, contact me and let me know which

1194
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:21.239
<v Speaker 2>night would be good. Uh, you know what time I

1195
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.679
<v Speaker 2>like to broadcast, and I'll arrange it with him and

1196
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.360
<v Speaker 2>we'll come up with a knight to do that.

1197
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.400
<v Speaker 3>But you guys are both gonna have to take.

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01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.920
<v Speaker 10>Like because I actually want to talk to business with

1199
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:35.440
<v Speaker 10>you about a certain cashed out with span Can show.

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01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:39.199
<v Speaker 10>Well maybe we could talk some business with Okay. Well,

1201
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 10>and I'm talking business, I'm my money in business and

1202
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:41.840
<v Speaker 10>everything else.

1203
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:42.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1204
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm producing shows. I'm producing shows until midnight here

1205
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:48.400
<v Speaker 2>at least tonight. Okay, So I'm going to be producing

1206
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Aaron's show and the Uncle show after this.

1207
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:53.519
<v Speaker 3>So do you want to talk to me that? Do

1208
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.239
<v Speaker 3>you want to talk tomorrow or But.

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01:03:57.559 --> 01:03:58.920
<v Speaker 10>Well I was going to actually get a jump on

1210
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 10>Uncle tonight if if it's okay, well yeah.

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01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:02.039
<v Speaker 3>That's fine.

1212
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.280
<v Speaker 2>But we can't talk business on uncles. So I'm asking

1213
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you when when do you.

1214
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:05.280
<v Speaker 20>Want to do?

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01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.719
<v Speaker 10>That's what I'm saying. Maybe after Huncle you get off

1216
01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:09.639
<v Speaker 10>with them and you stay on with me and we

1217
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 10>could throw around a couple ideas and then we can

1218
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:12.400
<v Speaker 10>mess each other and stuff.

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01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:16.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there, I usually like to get done that for

1220
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:16.559
<v Speaker 3>a while.

1221
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:18.760
<v Speaker 10>I took off and I plan on going on Uncle.

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01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:20.960
<v Speaker 10>So if you want, if you have the time, if

1223
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:24.840
<v Speaker 10>you're not too tired after Uncle, then then yeah, I'm around,

1224
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.119
<v Speaker 10>so all right. If not, we can message everything as

1225
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:29.960
<v Speaker 10>far as that goes. But I just want to make

1226
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 10>it I just want to make it completely clear. I'm

1227
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:32.519
<v Speaker 10>totally cool with DP.

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01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's great.

1229
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 10>I care about human beings. That's what I want people

1230
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:36.360
<v Speaker 10>to know.

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01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I understand, and that's and that's where this is all

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01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:39.440
<v Speaker 3>coming from.

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01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:39.679
<v Speaker 6>With you.

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01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Your whole position anyway, is that you're you're concerned about

1235
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there are people dying, and uh, you know,

1236
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.559
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's not quite by their own will exactly.

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01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I know that everybody says, well, you know, that's the

1238
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:55.880
<v Speaker 2>government they put in and this and that. But the

1239
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:58.800
<v Speaker 2>one thing to consider is that the majority of people

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01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.039
<v Speaker 2>there are children, and we're not allowed to vote. The

1241
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:03.400
<v Speaker 2>last time they held a damn vote, So.

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01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.280
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, they weren't even alive the last time. Most of

1243
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.039
<v Speaker 10>them weren't even alive the last time.

1244
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:08.639
<v Speaker 1>There was a vote.

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01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Well at least the last time in two.

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01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Thousand and six at least, yeah, the last time and six.

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01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:14.599
<v Speaker 10>I mean that would make it you have to at

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01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.760
<v Speaker 10>least be eighteen, almost twenty nineteen years old vote and

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01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:19.440
<v Speaker 10>then you would have to have been twenty or eighteen.

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01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 10>Then the vote, well, you'd have to make you about forty.

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01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.960
<v Speaker 10>You'd have to be a minimum of thirty kalisins children.

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01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:26.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, you'd have to be a minimum of thirty

1253
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:29.599
<v Speaker 2>seven years old right now to have actually been alive

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01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:31.199
<v Speaker 2>and able to vote back then.

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01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:35.119
<v Speaker 3>I think. So you know, here we go. Anyway, it's

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01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:36.000
<v Speaker 3>a complex thing.

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<v Speaker 10>If you guys want to do a debate, yeah, probably

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01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.519
<v Speaker 10>about thirty seven. Yeah, yeah, if you guys want to

1259
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:43.800
<v Speaker 10>we are chalked about thirty seven and two. I was

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01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:45.440
<v Speaker 10>thirty six in two thousand and six.

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01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't even remember when I was thirty seven. I

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01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:48.000
<v Speaker 3>don't know.

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01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it was around twenty twenty ten. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, it is. The thing is, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>can debate another night or whatever, but let's go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and get to whatever else you want to get.

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<v Speaker 3>To and we'll move through.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I got about about twenty eight minutes until we

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<v Speaker 2>begin the age of transitions here, So go ahead.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh I'm good. I'm just I you know, we get

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01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 10>so many bad so much bad news going on tonight,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, and like I came in with my April

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01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.400
<v Speaker 10>Fools prank and everything about just like we are just

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01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.719
<v Speaker 10>we've got so many greedy people and the systems got

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<v Speaker 10>to change, you know, people, we got to understand, like

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<v Speaker 10>either way, this is not a race war or any

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01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 10>of us as a class war. And that's when one

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<v Speaker 10>of Luther King was pointing out before they killed him,

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01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:36.559
<v Speaker 10>and you know, this is a class war. It's us

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<v Speaker 10>against them, it's not.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not.

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<v Speaker 10>We don't need to be raped against each other's race

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01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:43.119
<v Speaker 10>or even politics, the left and the right and all that.

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<v Speaker 10>We need to get together and just say, hey, what's

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01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.440
<v Speaker 10>best for humanity right now? Like what what can we

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<v Speaker 10>do to help, you know, help people and not just

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<v Speaker 10>businesses and corporations and governments and all this crap. So yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>I mean that's just I mean, we all know that's

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01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.480
<v Speaker 10>what it is to say something funny. I'd like to

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01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:07.840
<v Speaker 10>talk about jokes. I'm looking forward in June the bears

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01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 10>will be back. The bear cam from Brooks Falls, Alaska,

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01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:15.519
<v Speaker 10>you know cat My National Park that my friends. I'll say,

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<v Speaker 10>this is absolute medicine. Watching those guys and you start

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01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:22.920
<v Speaker 10>to learn who those bears are, and you just it's

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01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.400
<v Speaker 10>better in a reality show. It's better than NYPD blue

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01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:29.039
<v Speaker 10>and everything else. Man, it's all that wrapped up in

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01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.400
<v Speaker 10>one like a super Bowl every day to see which

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<v Speaker 10>big ass bear is going to come up and all

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<v Speaker 10>this and just listen to the falls. You can sleep

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01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:40.159
<v Speaker 10>to it. It's such medicine. It's natured. If you can't

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<v Speaker 10>get out in nature, that's a good place to go

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<v Speaker 10>and watch nature. You know, live bears, you know, real

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01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:51.000
<v Speaker 10>live nature. It on your TV, and it's good for you.

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<v Speaker 10>It's like I said, it's absolute medicine. Getting out in

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01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:55.039
<v Speaker 10>nature's absolute medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>No, just listening to the bird chirp, just watching the

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01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:02.079
<v Speaker 10>you know, bird fly or whatever schools play wherever you're at.

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01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:07.559
<v Speaker 10>From my case, a gator swim sometimes, absolutely it's absolute medicine.

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01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:11.440
<v Speaker 10>But let's let's get some other callers. Anybody wants to

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01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:13.159
<v Speaker 10>say anything, I'll chill for a bit.

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<v Speaker 6>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what, and I agree with you about

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<v Speaker 2>the nature and medicine and all that good stuff, because man,

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01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:21.720
<v Speaker 2>you know I could use more of it. I'd go

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01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.279
<v Speaker 2>outside more, but there's too many damn loose dogs in

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01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:26.560
<v Speaker 2>my neighborhood lately, which is why you keep hearing Weeni

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01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.760
<v Speaker 2>dogs on my broadcast, because they're getting riled up about

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01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:32.279
<v Speaker 2>the other dogs running around my house outside when they

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01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be so. Apologies there, Kent, did you find your clips?

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<v Speaker 1>You mean Jimmy James? And yes, I emailed to the

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01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:45.119
<v Speaker 1>right one and them Gmail took your Gmail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I meant to say, thanks to Kent, and then yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy James, you're right. So let's see what do we

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01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:55.239
<v Speaker 2>have here? Looks like meeting James Angleton.

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01:08:56.680 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, yeah he been. I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>introduce it, all right. This is important for anyone interested

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01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:09.000
<v Speaker 1>in eleven twenty two sixty three, which is what I'm

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01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:14.079
<v Speaker 1>interested in. As far as historical stuff. I don't claim

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01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:17.640
<v Speaker 1>to know fucking Muhammad this, that and the other thing.

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01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned with this one day and everyone's let's get

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01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:29.039
<v Speaker 1>something straight about the genius Angleton. Okay, he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 21>First, let's just play this clip.

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01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:37.800
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty self explanatory. The man's got bona fid, he's

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01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 1>up the behind this isn't no, damn just jacking the jaw.

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01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Let's listen to this guy. It's like a nine minute

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01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:53.399
<v Speaker 1>clip and be thankful because the real show's over two

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01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:58.359
<v Speaker 1>hours and I listen to it. Well, I the main

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01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:03.359
<v Speaker 1>part that's of interest to us. All right, well, community, long.

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01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Long clip here, But let's see if we can get

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01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:07.680
<v Speaker 2>through nine minutes without them hitting me with a commercial.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, teeny tiny clip. Like I said, the original

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01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.319
<v Speaker 1>ones like two hours, things like nine minutes.

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01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but as I said, nine minutes is kind of long.

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01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Let's see if they let me get through it without

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01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 2>a commercial.

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01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's see what happens.

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<v Speaker 23>Special Operations Cobert Ox Spiana, the Team House with your hopes,

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01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:39.800
<v Speaker 23>Jack Murphy and David Bark.

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<v Speaker 24>Now, before you went to the farm, you were an

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01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:49.640
<v Speaker 24>intern for a while, right, because there was a formative

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01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.039
<v Speaker 24>I thought that in your book you mentioned that this

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01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:56.199
<v Speaker 24>was actually kind of a formative part of your CIA vision.

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01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, you've done your homework, Davis. Yeah, I described that

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01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.800
<v Speaker 22>in my first book, fair Play. My training out of

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01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:08.000
<v Speaker 22>the farm wasn't going to start for a couple of

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01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:12.640
<v Speaker 22>months after I arrived at the CIA, so I needed

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01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:18.760
<v Speaker 22>an interim assignment, and not knowing any better, I took

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01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:23.720
<v Speaker 22>an interim assignment in the counter Intelligence staff and it

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01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:28.039
<v Speaker 22>was really interesting work because my assignment was to update

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01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.159
<v Speaker 22>a study that the counter intelligence staff had done on

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01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:34.399
<v Speaker 22>the Rhoda Kappel, which was.

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<v Speaker 1>The have you ever dreamed about living and glorious varmony?

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01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 3>Yep?

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01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:47.720
<v Speaker 25>Hold on a second, the Russian networks and German occupied

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01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:51.840
<v Speaker 25>Europe during World War Two, and.

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01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:55.760
<v Speaker 22>NSA at the time was finally, all those years later,

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01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:00.680
<v Speaker 22>breaking some of the traffic between the center in Moscow

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01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:06.880
<v Speaker 22>and their operatives out in occupied Europe. They were communicating,

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01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:14.319
<v Speaker 22>of course, via clandestine radios. I found it absolutely amazing

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01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.840
<v Speaker 22>to read the first person at CI headquarters as these

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01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:25.039
<v Speaker 22>transcripts came in from ensay the drama, the tension, the

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01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.560
<v Speaker 22>actual patriotism of these Russian spies throughout Europe putting their

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01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:33.199
<v Speaker 22>lives on the line to communicate intelligence. My job was

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01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:37.760
<v Speaker 22>to incorporate what we were learning about these Russian networks

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01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:41.920
<v Speaker 22>of the Rhoda Capella into the previous study, and I

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01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.960
<v Speaker 22>worked pretty hard on that, and I thought I had

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01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.359
<v Speaker 22>done a pretty good job, and in fact some of

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<v Speaker 22>my supervisors did also, so they said, as I was

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01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:57.119
<v Speaker 22>getting ready to leave the counter intelligence staff to start

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01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:59.600
<v Speaker 22>my training down at the farm gym. He'd done a

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01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:02.199
<v Speaker 22>good job here and we want you to get the

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01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:06.920
<v Speaker 22>appropriate recognition, and so we've arranged a meeting, a farewell

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01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:11.239
<v Speaker 22>meeting for you with the man himself, and by the

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01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:14.039
<v Speaker 22>man himself, of course, they meant the chief of the

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01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:20.359
<v Speaker 22>counter Intelligence, a legendary James Jesus Angleton. And on the

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01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:24.600
<v Speaker 22>appointed day I showed up to see a corridor at

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01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:29.279
<v Speaker 22>CI headquarters. I went into the outer office. You didn't

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01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:32.880
<v Speaker 22>go into the presence without being briefed on how to

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<v Speaker 22>comport yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>So all of his attendants are telling me how to

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01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:37.640
<v Speaker 3>behave When I got there.

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<v Speaker 22>I'm getting pretty nervous. So finally they said, okay, going in,

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01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.079
<v Speaker 22>and so they opened.

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<v Speaker 3>The door and I kind of walked in. They had

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01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:50.000
<v Speaker 3>told me that it would be.

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<v Speaker 22>A dark room, and in fact it was. He had

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01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:56.399
<v Speaker 22>big black curtains, he had just one desk lamp and

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01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:00.439
<v Speaker 22>these all these eyes looking at at me, and the

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01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:04.560
<v Speaker 22>big haze of smoke because he was a change smoker.

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01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:08.359
<v Speaker 22>And they had told me standard attention in front of

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01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:12.439
<v Speaker 22>his desk, he might not speak, So just launch into

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01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:13.399
<v Speaker 22>your brief.

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01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:14.720
<v Speaker 5>On Eurota Capella study.

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<v Speaker 22>I did that, and I'm going I'm feeling pretty good

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01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:22.640
<v Speaker 22>about myself. I was flowing pretty well. I said, this

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01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:25.920
<v Speaker 22>is going pretty well. He cannot fail to be impressed

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01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:29.880
<v Speaker 22>by my ci acumen of this very early stage in

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01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:33.680
<v Speaker 22>my career, not at all. Because at a certain point

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01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.600
<v Speaker 22>he stopped me. He looked me in the eye and

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01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:41.800
<v Speaker 22>he said, mister Olsen, don't you realize that the Rhota

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01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:46.640
<v Speaker 22>Capello was nothing more than a German controlled deception operation?

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01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:55.520
<v Speaker 22>And that took me back, and I realized then, as

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01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:01.399
<v Speaker 22>arrogantism might have seen, that this great mind, this countertellers,

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01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:05.079
<v Speaker 22>his genius, had really lost touch with reality, because that

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01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:08.880
<v Speaker 22>made no sense at all. I had dunk deeply into.

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01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:09.399
<v Speaker 6>The road to Capella.

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01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.560
<v Speaker 5>I knew it wasn't German controlled, but that was his thesis.

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01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.960
<v Speaker 22>He saw conspiracies everywhere.

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01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:18.600
<v Speaker 25>He was a double fake expert.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now, Jimmy, I'm gonna stop it here and I'll

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01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:23.920
<v Speaker 2>tell you you need to send me these clips ahead

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01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:27.319
<v Speaker 2>of the show, because I would have rather checked out

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01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:28.119
<v Speaker 2>who this guy is.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, well, he gets to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he eventually gets Angleton's job. Just play yeah. From

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01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:38.800
<v Speaker 1>now on, parts are coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Up, all right from now on.

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<v Speaker 2>Send me these things ahead of time, because I would

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01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:45.359
<v Speaker 2>have sliced off in the first two minutes and I

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01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:46.479
<v Speaker 2>would have checked out who.

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<v Speaker 24>This guy is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would have checked out who this guy is.

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01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I would have checked out the operation he's talking about,

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01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:55.359
<v Speaker 2>and I would have done background on this to see

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<v Speaker 2>if this is something that's really you know, heavy or what,

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01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:01.800
<v Speaker 2>because some of the you know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys out there making claims that they were this,

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<v Speaker 2>they were that, and indeed they might have worked.

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<v Speaker 15>For the CIA, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm just saying I don't know. Yeah,

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01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:16.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to tell you something.

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01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good, what then you particularly the relevant point?

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01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, but that's the thing. It's not the listen,

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01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it's not the relevant point. I would rather cut it

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01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:31.840
<v Speaker 2>down to the relevant point and done background work on

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01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:35.000
<v Speaker 2>this so I could explain it, because now I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>a disadvantage here. And also I'm thinking this is a

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01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 2>pretty sleepy story so far. The guy takes his time

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01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:41.520
<v Speaker 2>telling the story.

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01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:43.720
<v Speaker 3>What are you gonna do? It's fine, I'm going to

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01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:48.359
<v Speaker 3>continue to play it. Yeah, but nine.

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01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Minutes is a long clip for somebody to listen to this.

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01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:52.920
<v Speaker 2>If they've never heard of any of this before, they're going,

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01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:55.000
<v Speaker 2>what the hell is this guy talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>By now believe me?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I would rather punch it up and also

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01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:01.720
<v Speaker 2>have the back so I know what I'm talking about

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01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:04.319
<v Speaker 2>when I turn away from it. But anyway, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to play it.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 22>And so he rudely dismissed me, said that I had

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<v Speaker 22>wasted his time, I had wasted the CI staff's time

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<v Speaker 22>by coming up with these totally erroneous conclusions. I go

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01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:22.000
<v Speaker 22>out to the outer office, everybody, how did you go?

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<v Speaker 16>How did it go?

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<v Speaker 22>And I'm crushed. And as I'm walking down the cordor afterwards,

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<v Speaker 22>I honestly was saying to myself, you know, Jim, you

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01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:35.199
<v Speaker 22>had such high hopes for this career, and what a

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<v Speaker 22>shame because it has ended before it even started. There's

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01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:42.920
<v Speaker 22>no way you're going to survive that kind of a

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01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:47.159
<v Speaker 22>chewing out by the most powerful man in the CIA.

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01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:51.039
<v Speaker 6>So I said to myself, if by some.

1475
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:57.840
<v Speaker 22>Miracle, this CIA career survives, which I doubt, I don't

1476
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:00.239
<v Speaker 22>know what direction will take me, but I know one

1477
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:04.760
<v Speaker 22>thing I will never ever again go anywhere near counterintelligence.

1478
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.760
<v Speaker 22>Which is pretty ironic, is that because I ended up

1479
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:12.159
<v Speaker 22>being number seven in the chain of counterintelligence a chiefs

1480
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:13.920
<v Speaker 22>at the CIA later on in my career.

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01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:18.119
<v Speaker 7>And it's interesting because you probably didn't know it at

1482
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:22.319
<v Speaker 7>that time, but later you realize how much damage Angleton

1483
01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:25.079
<v Speaker 7>had actually done, not only to the CIA, but to

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01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:27.920
<v Speaker 7>the field of counterintelligence in general.

1485
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:32.920
<v Speaker 22>Right, Yeah, that's exactly right, Dave. That's the legacy of

1486
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:36.880
<v Speaker 22>James E's and Angleton continued for many, many years after

1487
01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:41.600
<v Speaker 22>he was finally forced out. He discredited counter intelligence and discipline.

1488
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.760
<v Speaker 22>He made it useless for the twenty years that he

1489
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:49.079
<v Speaker 22>was the chief from nineteen fifty four to nineteen seventy

1490
01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:52.960
<v Speaker 22>four because he was chasing fantoms. He did not allow

1491
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:57.079
<v Speaker 22>us to run any Russian operations because he was too

1492
01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:02.359
<v Speaker 22>smart to fall into the KGB machinations. So we had

1493
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:06.359
<v Speaker 22>no volunteers, we had no walk ins, we had no recruitments,

1494
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:11.199
<v Speaker 22>we had no Russian operations. During those twenty critical years

1495
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:15.399
<v Speaker 22>of the Cold War. He lost so much it was

1496
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.159
<v Speaker 22>a disaster. It was only after we finally got rid

1497
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:26.159
<v Speaker 22>of him in the end of nineteen seventy six that

1498
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:29.079
<v Speaker 22>we were able slowly to try to get back into

1499
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:33.880
<v Speaker 22>real counter intelligence operations running operations against the Russians.

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01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Jimmy, let me ask you a question before

1501
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:39.479
<v Speaker 2>I finished this clip out, because you and I both

1502
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:41.960
<v Speaker 2>read a lot of documentation and what this guy just

1503
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:47.239
<v Speaker 2>said right here is kind of false. And I'm trying

1504
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to be polite because we know that there were counterintelligence

1505
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:55.119
<v Speaker 2>operations that were run against the Russians from fifty four

1506
01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:55.920
<v Speaker 2>to seventy four.

1507
01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:57.680
<v Speaker 3>That's not something that didn't exist.

1508
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, angle To had his own points of view, and

1509
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:05.680
<v Speaker 2>also Engleton, Yeah, he was nuts, he was paranoid, We

1510
01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:08.760
<v Speaker 2>know that for certain. But we also know that he

1511
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:10.720
<v Speaker 2>actually did a lot of things that people don't even

1512
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:15.319
<v Speaker 2>realize that he should be credited for, regarding diplomatic connections

1513
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:17.479
<v Speaker 2>that were not supposed to be made on his level

1514
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:20.960
<v Speaker 2>but were later revealed as you know, above the board,

1515
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:25.199
<v Speaker 2>diplomatic connections regarding various assets in Europe.

1516
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, let's just let play out and then we could

1517
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:28.399
<v Speaker 1>discuss it.

1518
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, but I'm just saying right there, that's that's

1519
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:33.079
<v Speaker 2>a rough piece right there, that he's saying that you know,

1520
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:37.279
<v Speaker 2>he ruined counterintelligence entirely, and that we had well.

1521
01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Let's put this way, there wasn't any successful counterintelligence programs. Well, say, damn.

1522
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Success we had was with fake guys like Nasenko. But

1523
01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:51.119
<v Speaker 1>let's play the recording and hear what the man that

1524
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:52.800
<v Speaker 1>was there has to say.

1525
01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:55.640
<v Speaker 3>No, I understand, let's hear what the man has to say.

1526
01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:56.680
<v Speaker 3>But here's the thing.

1527
01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.079
<v Speaker 2>When I'm reading through tons of documents, though, the fact

1528
01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:03.239
<v Speaker 2>that he's saying there were no operations is flatly false. Now,

1529
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:08.680
<v Speaker 2>there were no operations through counterintelligence sub section under Angleton

1530
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:11.279
<v Speaker 2>that this guy was in on. But we also know

1531
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.640
<v Speaker 2>that Angleton ran a whole bunch of weird stuff, and

1532
01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:19.239
<v Speaker 2>again success another story theory. Well, that's that's not my theory.

1533
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 3>That's what the PaperWorks is.

1534
01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Bruce. Now all it is your theory. Bruce Solely was

1535
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.399
<v Speaker 1>actually the man who would have been doing those things,

1536
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:30.720
<v Speaker 1>and he was a Dan kg be mole. Let's just

1537
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:31.720
<v Speaker 1>play the recording.

1538
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, there's a lot of other sections

1539
01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:36.880
<v Speaker 2>to the agency that we're doing a lot of things.

1540
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.159
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not a fan of the agency, but I

1541
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:42.439
<v Speaker 2>would say, you know, again, I would have rather done

1542
01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:43.680
<v Speaker 2>some background on this first.

1543
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:45.479
<v Speaker 3>But okay, let's play the rest.

1544
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:50.960
<v Speaker 22>He had destroyed our Russian operational program for all.

1545
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:54.000
<v Speaker 5>Those years, and I can forget that.

1546
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:58.640
<v Speaker 22>But even after he left, the reputation count intelligence was

1547
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:04.560
<v Speaker 22>so teened, it was so out of vogue for anybody

1548
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:07.960
<v Speaker 22>to go into count intelligence that we had trouble attracting

1549
01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:11.439
<v Speaker 22>good people to go into counter intelligence. That persisted for many,

1550
01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:11.960
<v Speaker 22>many years.

1551
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:16.359
<v Speaker 26>And at the same time, there actually were moles at

1552
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:21.720
<v Speaker 26>CIA and other governmental institutions that correct me if I'm wrong, Jim,

1553
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:24.600
<v Speaker 26>We're not being sought out because of this.

1554
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:25.720
<v Speaker 6>That's right.

1555
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:30.600
<v Speaker 22>Counter intelligence was use. It was worse than useless because

1556
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:36.560
<v Speaker 22>it was preventing us from doing real counterintelligence. Some people

1557
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.279
<v Speaker 22>said that Angleton could not have harmed us more if

1558
01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:44.520
<v Speaker 22>he'd been a Russian agent because he paralyzed, and we

1559
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:49.399
<v Speaker 22>were not able to overcome that until much later. I

1560
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:52.479
<v Speaker 22>would say that we really were only able to rehabilitate

1561
01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:57.520
<v Speaker 22>counter intelligence at the CIA in the late nineteen eighties,

1562
01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:00.239
<v Speaker 22>when we finally began to get our act together and

1563
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:01.199
<v Speaker 22>good people win.

1564
01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:06.039
<v Speaker 3>It to It's okay. So that's the end of the clip.

1565
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I guess they play music and probably promo

1566
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>for their teams team house thing.

1567
01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:13.359
<v Speaker 3>Which I'll give it.

1568
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll give a link to I'll give a link to

1569
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:19.199
<v Speaker 2>what one second, one second, one second, Jimmy, I will

1570
01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:24.640
<v Speaker 2>give a link to this and credit these podcasters along

1571
01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:27.199
<v Speaker 2>with the show notes, because that's the right thing to do,

1572
01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:29.479
<v Speaker 2>just to let you guys know. That'll be in the

1573
01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>show notes, and you know whatever it is they're called.

1574
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's see the team House. That's the name of the

1575
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:38.560
<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel, and I believe the name of the podcast

1576
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:41.039
<v Speaker 2>that these two guys run, who I'm not familiar with.

1577
01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:42.079
<v Speaker 3>But go ahead, Jimmy.

1578
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Now you were going to say, yeah, that's the good

1579
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.239
<v Speaker 1>part about playing the first part. They've said all that.

1580
01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, but I don't want to run a promo.

1581
01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to acknowledge. You have to acknowledge. You got

1582
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:59.119
<v Speaker 2>to give acknowledgment, you know, accreditation to somebody when you're

1583
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:01.880
<v Speaker 2>playing their clip, and you got to do commentary for it.

1584
01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise you're just stealing their material. So we plan to

1585
01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>turn this into a podcast. So I'm just letting you

1586
01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:10.159
<v Speaker 2>know this housekeeping stuff I gotta do. Man, Sorry, good.

1587
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Right, trying to Oh yeah, so Angleton, Yeah, and believable.

1588
01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.319
<v Speaker 1>There's a hell of a little more than that. I

1589
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:28.920
<v Speaker 1>watched this guy for hours and hours this James Olsen

1590
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:35.039
<v Speaker 1>guy ended up with Engleton's job in the eighties, and

1591
01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it's worth watching if you're interested in the Cold War

1592
01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and in particular the JFK assassination. If you some people

1593
01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>just think that boy that Angleton's the mastermind, well, first

1594
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:04.640
<v Speaker 1>beyond actually maybe you should read the documents and then

1595
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:11.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe you should watch this film for an instance. And yeah,

1596
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:19.399
<v Speaker 1>so before I would go to Congress demanding well, let's

1597
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>just say I I's just seeing opportunities being wasted. I

1598
01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:30.479
<v Speaker 1>wish instead they would, you know, talk to others who

1599
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>have you know, we've all done our little studies, we

1600
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:38.079
<v Speaker 1>all have our different takes on things. Maybe there should

1601
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:44.800
<v Speaker 1>be some consultation before these declarations to the Congress and whatnot.

1602
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe someone else has some pretty damn good documentation.

1603
01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely agree with you on that point, that that

1604
01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>task force and any further efforts to declassify things that

1605
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>are relevant to that time period.

1606
01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:04.520
<v Speaker 3>To the assassination, etc. Et cetera.

1607
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:08.760
<v Speaker 2>These people require a bunch of consultation and from more

1608
01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:09.640
<v Speaker 2>than one source.

1609
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:11.079
<v Speaker 7>You know.

1610
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Look, I appreciate what Jeff is doing, and I appreciate

1611
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:16.680
<v Speaker 2>his work in the past. Obviously I've had him on

1612
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:19.840
<v Speaker 2>this show. I've read a lot of his material. I

1613
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:23.399
<v Speaker 2>respect him, but his is not the only point of

1614
01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>view that could be relevant, helpful or enlightening regarding what

1615
01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to look for and why. Okay, just saying across the board,

1616
01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and who knows, you might stumble upon something that has

1617
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:43.439
<v Speaker 2>more than one purpose for let's say, transparency that should

1618
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:45.840
<v Speaker 2>have been had by the American people by now regarding

1619
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:49.439
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of events, and somebody could do a hell

1620
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>of a lot of good for that particular cause if

1621
01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>they were willing to listen to some others outside of

1622
01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:58.319
<v Speaker 2>those that they brought to testify.

1623
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:00.279
<v Speaker 3>They're on Capitol Hill.

1624
01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>And the people they're consulting with. Now, I'm not saying

1625
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:06.279
<v Speaker 2>eliminate anybody. I'm saying, add what do you think.

1626
01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy, Yeah, pretty much. I'm just saying, look more. At

1627
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, Stone, Morley and Dougenio or

1628
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:25.159
<v Speaker 1>as they like to call him, do you good, Juda?

1629
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And they know they all basically got the same packed

1630
01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:35.239
<v Speaker 1>everyone in the damn community except I don't know me

1631
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:40.640
<v Speaker 1>apparently thanks the CIA did it. A couple of koops

1632
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>think that the mafia did it.

1633
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:48.359
<v Speaker 2>What I don't know, well, I'm not a CIA did

1634
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:51.039
<v Speaker 2>a guy, and I'm the guy who yelled at everybody

1635
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:55.279
<v Speaker 2>for years the mafia is not responsible. But yeah, I've

1636
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>got different points of view on it too. And you know,

1637
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:02.479
<v Speaker 2>saying that I'd be the greatest consult but I could

1638
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:05.319
<v Speaker 2>be a somebody who could give some consultation here that

1639
01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:09.720
<v Speaker 2>would definitely differ from what they're getting now. And there

1640
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.399
<v Speaker 2>are a bunch of people that have various areas of study.

1641
01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:15.199
<v Speaker 2>In fact, you know they've heard from Larry Hancock on

1642
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Capitol Hill before without asking him to testify, when you know,

1643
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>with the UAP thing, and he's a responsible professor on

1644
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.479
<v Speaker 2>a great many topics.

1645
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:29.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, just saying Larry Hancock would be.

1646
01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>He would be excellent.

1647
01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:37.199
<v Speaker 21>He would be excellent because he's bless him and bless Wiseberg.

1648
01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how they do it, but they have

1649
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>that that they just will not be tempted.

1650
01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:50.920
<v Speaker 21>And to start with what Wiseberg would have called the

1651
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:55.800
<v Speaker 21>siren song of conspiracy. As soon as they start what specifics,

1652
01:28:56.479 --> 01:29:00.199
<v Speaker 21>he backs out, says, no, no, no, you know what

1653
01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:00.800
<v Speaker 21>I'm saying.

1654
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>He'll give you.

1655
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:05.439
<v Speaker 21>What's known, the facts.

1656
01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:10.640
<v Speaker 1>And then your mind kind of fills in the blanks.

1657
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>And there's no real reason to you know, come up

1658
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:18.399
<v Speaker 1>with serious conciencies when you just lay out facts the

1659
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>way those two guys can.

1660
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the only mistake Weisberg ever made really was with

1661
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>that photograph, and like, you know that that was it.

1662
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Outside of that, you know, the guy, the guy really

1663
01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>was remarkable in that he was not pulled down everybody

1664
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:41.039
<v Speaker 2>else's rabbit hole, you know, and he was after a documentation.

1665
01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:43.880
<v Speaker 3>He was involved in a bunch of foiler lawsuits. Good stuff.

1666
01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:47.439
<v Speaker 3>Him and even David Rohan in the seventies, the two

1667
01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:47.880
<v Speaker 3>of them.

1668
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, before we had the ARRB and before we

1669
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>had the HSCA be and you know, public knowledge and

1670
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:57.279
<v Speaker 2>everything else, these guys were suing just to pull all

1671
01:29:57.399 --> 01:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>kinds of things out and showing us where documents were missing,

1672
01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:05.199
<v Speaker 2>the executive sessions of the War Commission and things like

1673
01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>this that they had to sue to get. And Weisberg

1674
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>knew what he was looking for, you know. So yeah, no,

1675
01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I would give you that there. But Larry is a

1676
01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>is a unique individual and some of the people he's

1677
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:22.359
<v Speaker 2>worked with could be very interesting consultants here, I.

1678
01:30:22.359 --> 01:30:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Would say, Stu, David Larry's I'll tell you something that's

1679
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting about Larry.

1680
01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:32.600
<v Speaker 21>I had my dad, who's basically a novice, read his

1681
01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:37.039
<v Speaker 21>new book, and you know how Larry.

1682
01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't come out and say someone's guilty or anything like that, right, right,

1683
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>And then after my dad read it, I just said, so,

1684
01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:53.399
<v Speaker 1>so who does he think did it? My dad said,

1685
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:56.039
<v Speaker 1>he seems to think the Cubans said it.

1686
01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:01.960
<v Speaker 21>And I said, our Cubans are the Cubans are.

1687
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Cubans, said good, good job. Well, that is an excellent

1688
01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>primary book, right in, an excellent book. I've read it,

1689
01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:17.119
<v Speaker 1>my dad's read it, and it's a good book. Everyone's

1690
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:18.439
<v Speaker 1>to read it. That's interesting.

1691
01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>No, when I told you on this show that when

1692
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I've got hold of that book finally, and I had

1693
01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:25.399
<v Speaker 2>seen the drafts beforehand, But when I got hold of

1694
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:28.359
<v Speaker 2>that book finally, what did I say? This is a textbook,

1695
01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:34.399
<v Speaker 2>This is a reference book and is absolutely you know,

1696
01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:37.319
<v Speaker 2>one of the best resources you're going to get on

1697
01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>this historical character.

1698
01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:42.960
<v Speaker 3>You got any reason to complain about my viewpoint on.

1699
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>This, No, I just think that it's interesting. That's what

1700
01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>my dad took away before that. He was mostly an.

1701
01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:56.600
<v Speaker 2>LBJ man, and I would say that even though I

1702
01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:59.439
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily point, all of the blame on the same

1703
01:31:59.479 --> 01:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>people that Larry does. I'm convinced that they were involved,

1704
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:09.479
<v Speaker 2>So you know, take it as you like, Yeah.

1705
01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the thing. I mean, there's a I bet

1706
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:19.479
<v Speaker 1>if you ask, wasn't even the Eugenio and them, wouldn't

1707
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:24.479
<v Speaker 1>they pretty much say the same people were the actual

1708
01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>team in deely as say, for instance.

1709
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:33.880
<v Speaker 3>I would or no, no, they wouldn't. It's it's really weird.

1710
01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:35.800
<v Speaker 3>And in fact, the Eugenio you.

1711
01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:40.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I'll discuss the Genio with you off air,

1712
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:45.359
<v Speaker 2>because his viewpoint has shifted in a weird way. I

1713
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>was almost surprised that he was allowed to be part

1714
01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>of that. I mean, I know he was there because

1715
01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Oliver Stone and his connection with him, and that's why

1716
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>he was there. But man, there is something weird going

1717
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>on with Jimmy at this point, and not you Jimmy anyway,

1718
01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:07.399
<v Speaker 2>I'll leave it at that. I don't want to say

1719
01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>anything publicly, but people, you should take a look at

1720
01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>his more recent presentations on this, and I don't mean

1721
01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that he publishes on his website. Take a

1722
01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>look at some of the verbal presentations he's given for

1723
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>focused groups recently. And judge for yourself where he's changed

1724
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:30.239
<v Speaker 2>up quite a bit in the past couple of years. Anyway, Jimmy,

1725
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.479
<v Speaker 2>anything else you want to add here, or should we

1726
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:35.239
<v Speaker 2>move around to whoever else is still remaining on the line.

1727
01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:37.279
<v Speaker 3>I got a feeling some people might have hung up.

1728
01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Let's see.

1729
01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe I'm wrong about that. Danny's still there. Looks

1730
01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:42.119
<v Speaker 2>like Kent is still there as well.

1731
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:46.239
<v Speaker 10>That's all I had.

1732
01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:50.439
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for indulged to me. I thought it was pretty interesting.

1733
01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I think anyone the JFK community or anyone interested in

1734
01:33:55.880 --> 01:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the Cold War might find it pretty interesting. But totally different, totally.

1735
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:05.960
<v Speaker 1>You gotta admit this is a totally different look at

1736
01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Angleton than anyone else's. I mean, everyone else is present

1737
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>this guy like, Oh, nothing gets by this guy. He's

1738
01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>he's almost godlike, he's a genius. Just ask him.

1739
01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>You might want to go back in the You might

1740
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>want to go back in the archives with me and

1741
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Carmine discussing this guy, because you find that. My viewpoint

1742
01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>about Angleton is he's definitely a double edged razor. I mean,

1743
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:36.359
<v Speaker 2>because he did some remarkable things, but he was also

1744
01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>a paranoid mental case. Uh, you know, at certain points

1745
01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:43.760
<v Speaker 2>and his paranoia, as per usual, was going in the

1746
01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>wrong direction, and it was pretty dangerous for him to

1747
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:50.479
<v Speaker 2>be in control of so much of u CIA assets

1748
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.720
<v Speaker 2>in counterintelligence. Uh, but that that you would have gotten

1749
01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:56.760
<v Speaker 2>out of the discussion with me and Carmine tracing through

1750
01:34:56.840 --> 01:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>documents and stuff. But that's years ago, is so maybe

1751
01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:05.079
<v Speaker 2>people forgot about those shows. Anyway, Jimmy gonna put you

1752
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>on hold for now, and let's see. I know I

1753
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>said I'd get back around to Danny. So, Danny, I

1754
01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:14.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know how interesting you found that whole section. Maybe

1755
01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>you got something else on your mind, but go ahead.

1756
01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:20.119
<v Speaker 6>No, I found that very interesting. I got to ask

1757
01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:23.960
<v Speaker 6>the question, why do paranoid metal pieces seem to rise

1758
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:24.680
<v Speaker 6>to the top.

1759
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Why is that so?

1760
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:27.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't you know.

1761
01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:30.880
<v Speaker 2>When I was looking at who they were recruiting post

1762
01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:34.359
<v Speaker 2>World War Two, I asked myself that same question. You know,

1763
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.159
<v Speaker 2>everybody points to paper clip, but nobody talks about who

1764
01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:40.399
<v Speaker 2>was actually in on paper clip, you know, and who

1765
01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:44.399
<v Speaker 2>they actually recruited. Some of those guys, not just the

1766
01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Werner von Brauns, you know that they brought across because duh, science, rockets,

1767
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:53.600
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Some of the intelligence guys they brought across.

1768
01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, they are weird studies. And you know,

1769
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>do you have any you know, do you have any

1770
01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what would we call standards regarding who

1771
01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:08.199
<v Speaker 2>it is you're willing to recruit.

1772
01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Because they're recruiting.

1773
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Holy crap, they were recruiting surveillance guys that were insane

1774
01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:19.159
<v Speaker 2>from the from the Germans. And I'm going, why in

1775
01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:22.319
<v Speaker 2>the world I wouldn't let this guy in my house

1776
01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to feed my dogs while I was.

1777
01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Away for the day. And they're bringing them into the CIA.

1778
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:28.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm going, this is insane.

1779
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Their own psychological evaluations would tell them that these guys

1780
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:36.840
<v Speaker 2>were paranoid, violent, this and that, and they're like, no, no, no,

1781
01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>let's bring them over to the US, and you know,

1782
01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll wipe the record clean. They're not war criminals. Well,

1783
01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.920
<v Speaker 2>at least we'll tell people they're not war criminals. But anyway,

1784
01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was crazy looking at paper clip man.

1785
01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:53.159
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, people

1786
01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:58.520
<v Speaker 2>do rise in certain positions when they have compromised personalities.

1787
01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>I guess to be a good general category.

1788
01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:05.880
<v Speaker 6>But but we'll be allowed to happen. I mean, just

1789
01:37:06.279 --> 01:37:09.000
<v Speaker 6>just just give you just a more recent thing. You know,

1790
01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:15.479
<v Speaker 6>look at the Epstein Flea deal. He's intelligence hands off. Yeah,

1791
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:20.760
<v Speaker 6>I know, how how how did we just possibly let

1792
01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:23.760
<v Speaker 6>that go? Well, I mean I've never understood that.

1793
01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:24.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1794
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I noticed that. I noticed Epstein is not

1795
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:31.119
<v Speaker 2>on the list of stuff for Tulsea Gabbard to get to.

1796
01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:36.079
<v Speaker 3>Hey, b Pete, you're still with us, man, Yeah, I'm here. Cool.

1797
01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>You got any thoughts on any of this stuff or

1798
01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:40.079
<v Speaker 2>the question Danny asked.

1799
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:48.239
<v Speaker 4>No regards to Jimmy Engleton, I don't know. I've never

1800
01:37:48.319 --> 01:37:51.199
<v Speaker 4>been able to get a fix on Angleton. I figured

1801
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.960
<v Speaker 4>he was just a dirty intelligence off like the rest

1802
01:37:55.039 --> 01:37:57.560
<v Speaker 4>of them. He had goods on people, and they manipulated

1803
01:37:57.560 --> 01:37:58.720
<v Speaker 4>people to get what they wanted.

1804
01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:00.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do.

1805
01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:03.359
<v Speaker 5>I think it was in Kennedy. I think there's a

1806
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:04.520
<v Speaker 5>chance he very well could be.

1807
01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, it is also it's also possible

1808
01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:12.199
<v Speaker 2>to be a dirty, dirty problem and a genius at

1809
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the same time.

1810
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:14.880
<v Speaker 3>You can be more than one thing, too, right.

1811
01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:20.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean absolutely, it wasn't for evil geniuses Superman's the

1812
01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:23.039
<v Speaker 4>Superman franchise when I never got off the ground.

1813
01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he'd be bored man, just you know, waiting around

1814
01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:28.399
<v Speaker 2>for when Lois decides to trip and fall down a

1815
01:38:28.479 --> 01:38:29.600
<v Speaker 2>manhole or something.

1816
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:33.399
<v Speaker 3>Right, Danny, Yeah, that's true.

1817
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:36.760
<v Speaker 2>But about Danny's question, what do you what do you

1818
01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:39.479
<v Speaker 2>think about that idea that it seems like only you know,

1819
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:43.159
<v Speaker 2>paranoid nutcases rise up in the ranks in a lot

1820
01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>of cases.

1821
01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts on that.

1822
01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:51.720
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's just paranoid nutcases in a well, if you

1823
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:56.319
<v Speaker 4>would imagine a terrarium or an aquarium, you've got a

1824
01:38:56.399 --> 01:39:01.119
<v Speaker 4>bunch of psycho nutcases in a psycho nutcase world. People

1825
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:03.640
<v Speaker 4>that I have met that have worked for intelligence agencies

1826
01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:07.279
<v Speaker 4>for the most of them were complete nutbags, and somehow

1827
01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:13.880
<v Speaker 4>maybe that's a prerequisite to be hired. And some that

1828
01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:18.199
<v Speaker 4>I've talked to family members connected with agencies that.

1829
01:39:18.640 --> 01:39:19.479
<v Speaker 6>Really have no.

1830
01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:23.479
<v Speaker 5>They have no outward look whatsoever.

1831
01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:26.640
<v Speaker 4>It's whatever they get through the agencies that they're working for,

1832
01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:27.960
<v Speaker 4>and that's what they feed on.

1833
01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:32.920
<v Speaker 5>So, you know, organizations like that, a military, any of these.

1834
01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:37.840
<v Speaker 4>Three letter acronyms that you can find throughout government, they

1835
01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:39.840
<v Speaker 4>seem to attract nutjobs.

1836
01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Fair enough.

1837
01:39:42.279 --> 01:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've always been told I should take it

1838
01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:46.279
<v Speaker 2>as a compliment that I didn't get that job with

1839
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the NSA back in two thousand and one or two, right,

1840
01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:53.159
<v Speaker 2>was that.

1841
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.000
<v Speaker 5>No, they'll tell you, like they told me in the Army,

1842
01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:57.159
<v Speaker 5>you're too logical to be here.

1843
01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:57.920
<v Speaker 10>You need to go.

1844
01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:00.439
<v Speaker 9>Okay, applied to.

1845
01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:01.479
<v Speaker 3>Be a signals analyst.

1846
01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I know I've admitted that on this show before, but

1847
01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember if I did it on a Friday night.

1848
01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I did apply to be an NSA signals analyst, so

1849
01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:12.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they they they were doing the interviews,

1850
01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:14.439
<v Speaker 2>they went to interview people. I can tell you that

1851
01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>it was my you know now x and dead in

1852
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:21.680
<v Speaker 2>fact wife that screwed it up, uh in my mind.

1853
01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:24.119
<v Speaker 3>But they didn't tell me why I failed exactly.

1854
01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:27.159
<v Speaker 2>But I failed to get through their uh their background

1855
01:40:27.359 --> 01:40:29.439
<v Speaker 2>and uh you know examination.

1856
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:31.680
<v Speaker 3>So there you go.

1857
01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.199
<v Speaker 4>I did a good Over the years, a lot of

1858
01:40:37.279 --> 01:40:40.520
<v Speaker 4>these personality tests that you have to take before certain

1859
01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:43.319
<v Speaker 4>places will hire you, and I always get told, well,

1860
01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:46.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, we had some questions about some of your

1861
01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:47.279
<v Speaker 4>answers on the test, and.

1862
01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:49.520
<v Speaker 5>It's like, well, do you want to discuss it? Well, no,

1863
01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:52.680
<v Speaker 5>we're not going to offer you the position. It was like, okay,

1864
01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:54.159
<v Speaker 5>and you.

1865
01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:58.000
<v Speaker 4>I've had people to say that they have looked at

1866
01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:01.319
<v Speaker 4>my answers and said, you're two stic of most people.

1867
01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:02.399
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

1868
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:07.039
<v Speaker 4>And it's like, well, you know, my parents raised me

1869
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:10.479
<v Speaker 4>to tell the truth. They didn't tell me that not

1870
01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:12.039
<v Speaker 4>everybody tells the truth.

1871
01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:15.920
<v Speaker 5>That was the problem. You get very skeptical over the years.

1872
01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:18.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't trust the band soul so father and I

1873
01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:19.239
<v Speaker 5>can thrown.

1874
01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, I hear you, so, Danny, Yeah, you're right, Danny,

1875
01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:28.159
<v Speaker 2>your your your thoughts on that feedback.

1876
01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:34.359
<v Speaker 6>I'm kind of like like VP, that was raised to

1877
01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:37.880
<v Speaker 6>tell the truth, and I've always believed, like you know,

1878
01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:39.920
<v Speaker 6>the truth is such a free I mean, it just

1879
01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:43.840
<v Speaker 6>I sleep better at night. I'm not good lying, if

1880
01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:49.399
<v Speaker 6>that makes any sense. It's difficult, So I get, I

1881
01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:53.319
<v Speaker 6>get where VP is coming from, right, It's just much

1882
01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:56.800
<v Speaker 6>easier to for your conscious to tell the truth.

1883
01:41:57.239 --> 01:41:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Yea, No, that's what it boils down to.

1884
01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:00.560
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, if I'm honest about the way I

1885
01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:02.840
<v Speaker 2>was raised, I'm supposed to say all the things that

1886
01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:05.399
<v Speaker 2>you guys are saying, but that's not the way I operate,

1887
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and that's the way I'm supposed to go, and I

1888
01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:11.079
<v Speaker 2>rebelled against that. So you know, I was raised with

1889
01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>the concept of duality. You have a performance that you

1890
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>put on for certain people, and then you have your

1891
01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>rock bottom. You know, here's what your actual ethics are,

1892
01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:25.600
<v Speaker 2>and you don't share those with everybody because if you

1893
01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:28.279
<v Speaker 2>do that, they might be able to predict exactly what

1894
01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:28.960
<v Speaker 2>you're going to do.

1895
01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:31.920
<v Speaker 3>So defensively, yea.

1896
01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:35.359
<v Speaker 4>In most of these groups and organizations, you have a

1897
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:38.880
<v Speaker 4>lot of egomaniacs that are citing each other to their

1898
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:41.600
<v Speaker 4>way to the top, because that's where the power lies.

1899
01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:42.720
<v Speaker 6>And it's.

1900
01:42:44.239 --> 01:42:45.439
<v Speaker 5>All egomaniacs.

1901
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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's not a government agency out there that

1902
01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:51.279
<v Speaker 4>I have a bunch of egomaniacs. Like politicians, most of

1903
01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:54.119
<v Speaker 4>them are narcissists. Well what you say that, Well, as

1904
01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.880
<v Speaker 4>much as they promote themselves and think that they're going

1905
01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:00.840
<v Speaker 4>to be the answer to the world's problems, I'm sorry metapoliticians.

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01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:04.000
<v Speaker 5>And yet it wasn't a narcissist, no.

1907
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly right. And the other problem. See, this is where

1908
01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:07.840
<v Speaker 3>I fail.

1909
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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I've been told that I fail

1910
01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:14.439
<v Speaker 2>in certain personality tests because I'm not driven by a

1911
01:43:14.640 --> 01:43:19.600
<v Speaker 2>self aggrandization, like there's no way to like hook into me, like,

1912
01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>well listen.

1913
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<v Speaker 3>Well we'll reward you, we'll elevate you and this and that,

1914
01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:28.880
<v Speaker 3>and I don't really care about that. I never have.

1915
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<v Speaker 2>And that's what my problem is is I'm not the active,

1916
01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:36.760
<v Speaker 2>narcissistic self promoter, you know. I know people think that's

1917
01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:40.359
<v Speaker 2>strange you slap your name on everything, and well as

1918
01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:41.880
<v Speaker 2>just unoriginal thinking.

1919
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<v Speaker 3>There, that's all that is. And also I know nobody

1920
01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:45.680
<v Speaker 3>else will steal it. That's all.

1921
01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:49.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just a matter of defense. Again, I'm a defensive thinker.

1922
01:43:49.479 --> 01:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what am I supposed to do with that?

1923
01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Anyways? It is what it is.

1924
01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just telling you there's a difference in psychology,

1925
01:43:57.039 --> 01:43:59.680
<v Speaker 2>and probably I would not have I could have done

1926
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:03.840
<v Speaker 2>well in an intelligence agency, but I would have never been, like,

1927
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, the chief of anything big because I would

1928
01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>have never sought it. You know, I would have just

1929
01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:10.479
<v Speaker 2>wanted to.

1930
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to be.

1931
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<v Speaker 5>Honest with you, I don't it would have lasted long

1932
01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:15.760
<v Speaker 5>because I don't think we can kiss ass.

1933
01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:20.079
<v Speaker 2>There's another problem. There's another problem, and that's the other

1934
01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:22.920
<v Speaker 2>weird thing is that these guys are bending themselves into

1935
01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>pretzels trying to kiss their own asses, and yet they

1936
01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:29.039
<v Speaker 2>have to spend a lot of time kissing other people's

1937
01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:34.319
<v Speaker 2>asses to advance, right, and that's another weird aspect of it.

1938
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>So you take that with whatever other mental health issues

1939
01:44:37.039 --> 01:44:39.479
<v Speaker 2>these people have, and you throw it into a pot,

1940
01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:43.600
<v Speaker 2>and what do you get? Crazy soup? You know, and

1941
01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>you wonder how anything functions. So and Angleton was a nut.

1942
01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't care what anybody says. He was definitely unhinged often, so,

1943
01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, but were you allowed to say that?

1944
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<v Speaker 6>You know?

1945
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<v Speaker 3>Good? What was that be, Pete?

1946
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<v Speaker 5>I said, I think most of them are.

1947
01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough. So Danny, it looks like we're getting

1948
01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.159
<v Speaker 2>close to the end time here. Oh we are at

1949
01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:11.479
<v Speaker 2>the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Crap, all right, guys, here's what I'm gonna do.

1951
01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna just kind of close this out here, and

1952
01:45:18.079 --> 01:45:20.159
<v Speaker 2>we got to get over to the Age of transitions.

1953
01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:23.199
<v Speaker 2>That's just the way it is. And I think Aaron

1954
01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:26.039
<v Speaker 2>might even have a guest and we'll do uncle after that.

1955
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<v Speaker 2>So coming up the age of transitions, Beat Pete, I

1956
01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:31.279
<v Speaker 2>want to thank you. I want to thank Jimmy, and

1957
01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank Kent and also Danny for calling

1958
01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:38.279
<v Speaker 2>in our friend in What the hell was the name

1959
01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:41.600
<v Speaker 2>of that place? Early Mark, California sounds like a convenience store,

1960
01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>but Early Mark, California call back in next week.

1961
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<v Speaker 3>Man, we'll do this again. Final word, be.

1962
01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:52.800
<v Speaker 4>Pete, Well, tell everybody to go to Ochilly dot com

1963
01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:55.520
<v Speaker 4>and hit the donate button. And believe me, I put

1964
01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:58.199
<v Speaker 4>my money where my mouth is, so you know, I'm

1965
01:45:58.239 --> 01:46:00.239
<v Speaker 4>not telling you to do something that I would to do.

1966
01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:03.399
<v Speaker 4>We need to support. There's a lot going on. We're

1967
01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:05.520
<v Speaker 4>gonna have to make some changes to some software that

1968
01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:07.800
<v Speaker 4>we're going to be using, so got a lot of

1969
01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:10.199
<v Speaker 4>upcoming stuff. Other than that, I hope everybody has a

1970
01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:12.359
<v Speaker 4>good week and looking forward to doing it next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

1972
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<v Speaker 2>I might even expand this to video the call in

1973
01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>if you guys want to do that. I mean, your

1974
01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:21.399
<v Speaker 2>feedback will be helpful, and any contribution will be helpful

1975
01:46:21.439 --> 01:46:22.720
<v Speaker 2>because we are going to have to get some new

1976
01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:26.000
<v Speaker 2>software and a few other things this month. And be

1977
01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:30.279
<v Speaker 2>piece not lyon. He definitely contributes and I appreciate that,

1978
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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate.

1979
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<v Speaker 3>All of you that do the same.

1980
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<v Speaker 2>Danny has I know that for sure, and so has

1981
01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy James. These guys do put their mouth where their

1982
01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:41.960
<v Speaker 2>money is, and their money where their mouth is. I

1983
01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:44.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's sanitary, but it is the way

1984
01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:45.079
<v Speaker 2>it is.

1985
01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Joke.

1986
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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, about that, but anyway, I am merely o'ceelly. All

1987
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:54.199
<v Speaker 2>of you, including those who do, contribute to those who don't,

1988
01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:55.199
<v Speaker 2>share the show.

1989
01:46:55.279 --> 01:46:55.640
<v Speaker 3>By the way.

1990
01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Let people know and see if you can encourage other

1991
01:46:58.159 --> 01:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>call ins. I'm merely o'ceelly.

1992
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<v Speaker 3>Five