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Speaker 3: I'm the amusing Taylor Field.
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Of course, I.
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out And I'm gonna throw a Taylor Field who was
missing last week. So, Taylor, what were your thoughts on
last week? Quickly, you know, a couple of senses? And
then what were your thoughts on this second to last episode? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Last week I was sorry.
Speaker 6: Did he just say second in the last instead of penultimate?
Is this a new drag?
Speaker 1: So I don't want to I don't want to spam
it too much.
Speaker 6: I missed the first Sorry, Taylor.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so last week it wasn't great.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I wasn't feeling the hotness from from that episode. So
I like, I think that there are definitely some moments
that were okay, but overall it just was kind of lackluster.
Is missing something just.
Speaker 3: Was not is not doing it for me?
Speaker 4: And so I'm very very relieved that this episode was
doing it for me. It was getting in all my
grooves and I think this one was just really something,
uh something that was setting up an awesome finale and
just could you say it was maybe rushed at times, yeah,
because they touched point on certain things, mainly just with
one character, and I feel like, okay, things really expedite
in this character's arec But I was totally all for it.
And just there's one scene in particular I was like, oh, fuck,
can it just.
Speaker 3: It happened that?
Speaker 4: Then we get just the way they use they filmed
the characters scenes in a certain way and it was
just it's like a quick visual effect for like three seconds,
and I really like it because it kind of pulls
you out of everything else that's going on. It puts
you in the shoes the shoes of this person for
a minute, and I really really I like it. I
liked it a lot, and it just pulls you out
and think, oh my god, like, okay, this is the
plan that everyone has, Like you know, this person's got
a plan, this person's got a plan, and it's just
this whole narrative moving forward. But it's like, Okay, none
of these plans matter because all of a sudden we're
derailed here and it just like hones you out into
this moment.
Speaker 3: So I think that's great.
Speaker 4: Everything else with the characters up to this point, I
think I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 3: I think it's fantastic. It's great.
Speaker 4: But again, it's not devoid of them having trouble throughout
all these past episodes. So I'm hoping that, you know,
from what we got in this episode, as much as
I loved it, they just need to stick the landing
in the finale and then you know we're okay, we're
doing good. But I have questions based on what the
certain revelations were in this episode. I got some questions,
so questions need answering.
Speaker 1: But you just arrived, mister mass I'll see you're a
little down on last week? Are you even more down?
You still same level? You up? Where? Where are you
on the mountain? Yeah?
Speaker 6: It was the last three episodes has been a big
dip in quality for me. But yeah, this this just
shot right back up there in terms of like being
a top tier kind of episode for the season for me.
You know, Travis, you were saying last week that like
these last two episodes were part of like the reshoot
era of the show. So I don't know if that's
I don't think I was like biasing my opinion. I
think I was just like super engaged by everything that
was going on here, you know. I my question one
of my questions last week was like, okay, with Muse
being gone episode seven, like what are we doing for
two episodes? And the solution to that was like bring
back a specific character and have a lot of fun
with them, and that all that stuff worked for me,
so really really enjoyed that. Curiously, how Kirkland feels about that?
And then yeah, I think you're just like most of
this episode was kind of like one set piece, and
it was like a really well done set piece with
a lot of tension going on, a little a lot
of characters, a little mini interactions on the side, flip
flopping people back and forth. There's just one sequence in
this episode that I was like, didn't really get it
or didn't really know what it was building to words,
so I needed to question you guys about that. But overall,
I think this was a really great episode, really great writing,
great acting, good action, just really really good tension, especially
like the final sequence, like I didn't know what the
heck was going on and I was just loving every
second of it. So yeah, I really really solid episode.
Speaker 2: Mister Patzer, Hello, I was gonna say, mister me, and
then I just had like a flashback saying that. So yeah,
for the most part, I really really enjoyed this episode.
I think there was a couple of moments that really
just had me shaking my head, but overall, I would
I would know it was.
Speaker 6: A solid shaking head banging or shaking.
Speaker 2: Nodding is like more of a term for like an agreements,
sha shaking is like bad. Yeah, No, shaking's bad negative.
But only a couple of moments they were enough to
like really just take me back. But but yeah, for
the vast majority of it, I think this is a
really really solid episode. There's a lot of just a
good converging of rivers into just like one big like
final sequence, just having a lot of pieces. I think
on the same playing field, you might say that it
doesn't feel that big yet maybe in season two, but no,
I think for the most part this was really good.
There's some good tension moments, not really a spoiler, but
just some things were going on with our bb Uric
character and I was just really really digging what was
going on there, so so that got me really excited
just just for like hoping what was going to potentially
be happening with that character. I like that we're going
in that direction. So yeah, overall, I think this was
really really positive. Yeah, I think I'll just leave it
there for spoilers.
Speaker 1: Thanks for covering as I was coughing because was about
to be done, and then.
Speaker 5: I know I had, you know, meet the word in
the essays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are my thoughts.
Speaker 1: That's minster mister hymns thoughts. No, best episode of the series,
I think. I don't think there's a moment that matches
what the Frank and Matt conversation was that to me
was a top or like comic book Marvel thing, but
overall that was always my favorite episode. This eclipsed it.
I think it just I'm excited to get into spoilers
because it's not a complete, good analogy. But I feel
like I like majority of these episodes. I think there's
a lot of episodes that they vary, right, There's some
that I do think are weaker, but i'd all pretty
much give them a passing. Maybe there's one or two
that were close to a fail or did fail, But
it does feel like with this episode you could maybe
skip a lot of episodes. It feels very It's funny
because the three episodes that were the complete all done
was episode one and then eight to nine. There's portions
of this that feel like you can watch episode one
and just skip all the way to eight. Not exactly,
of course, right, but there's just things where now they
don't feel like filler, but they don't feel as important
as we were kind of hoping. And I think it
just definitely shows of like these people started the season
and then they're gonna book end the season go right
in the season two. So it definitely feels more like that.
And I will say I'm not gonna say the closest,
but I feel like if you are a big fan
obviously not Kirklin Taylor, but if you're a big fan
of Daredevil's season three, this is like, this is hidden
some stuff that has been hanging for a while. I
don't know if Micha will be happy, but I remember
Mike being like, oh, they've better answer this, Like there's
certain things that maybe an answer, but they go back
to me like, oh, we're finally getting some payoffs where
it feels like it's way more tied in. And again,
Benson Moorehead who directed, I think they did Loki season
two something a Moonnight, and then now they're doing Daredevil
season two in these the overhaul episodes, So I trust
them in this sense and that's good. But it definitely
feels like they have attached themselves to that season three
more so than the rest of the show had. And
I very much appreciate that. Loved a sequence with a
character that I know we're gonna talk about. I loved
everything about that. Just this Yeah, I can't say more.
Just the unpredictability levels in this episode were fantastic. Multiple
reveals that paid off. I still think there's some men writing,
particularly with Heaver. Heather not an acting thing, but man,
they do not know how to write this character. There's
multiple things that I brought that they just they feel
like they're trying to actively make you dislike this character
and not want this character around, which is not a
good thing if it's unless it's the villain, right, And
I'll bring up multiple points where it just feels like
she's just saying things to either get Matt rowled up
or because the plot needs say these things. None of
them really makes sense. So still not a perfect episode,
but I think it sets us up for a really
good finale, and now if the finale can hit, if
the finale is this quality, my excitement for season two
has gone up because this is the team that's doing
all season two. So already this felt like a major
Like I said, I'm putting a number one. So it
felt like a major improvement from many of the episodes
we got here, and it left me just dying to
see what happens next week. You know, many episodes, I
feel like there's been half a half where we're go, okay, cool,
let's daar douvil. But this week I was like, Okay,
I I I wish this was a binge. I could
find out what's gonna happen right now, and I'm curious
where we're gonna end up. So that's an on spot
thoughts anything else to say before we jump the barrier?
They jumped the bear once going twice. Sold to the
man in the white suit. We're gonna take our first
ad break and then we'll be right back talking all
spoilers and we are back, so you know again we're
in spoilers, So runaway if you want, but we gotta
start with you know, Kirkland patters favorite man. Hello, Kirklan,
it's nice to see you again.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have one.
Speaker 1: Oh I had to upload a bull's Eye is back, baby,
And it's funny because I knew we'd seen We talked
about this last week where we saw shots of him
in the prison, but I thought either that would just
dovetail something or that could be like, oh, that's gonna
set him up for season two, right, like maybe that's
an end credit or an end episode to be like, oh,
he's he's out there and look out for Point Dexter.
But the fact that he got out, and that's what
I didn't want to say. The nonsports. He just brings.
And I'm not sure if Kirkhan will agree with this
because you disliked the character for multiple things. But at
least I when this character is introjected in the show,
there's just a level of chaos around him that you
never know what's gonna happen. And yeah, maybe it's some
very rambunctious, over the top things he's doing and getting
at situations and throwing, but like even the two thing, yeah,
that's that's pretty fucking crazy. That's ripped right out of
comic books. The only difference is in the comic books
he that has cost you on but that's ripped right
out of the pages. So just the getting out and
even his scene with Matt was to me also home
run there. So I'm so glad Bullseye is back, and
luckily what they did episode one, I'm gonna feel like
we can't kill him. So even next week, if like
Punisher fucking just unloads a whole clip on him, I
feel like point Decks will stick around. So I don't
want him to be coma toast or in prison, same
thing as Fisk, Like, I hope this means now Bullseyes
he's gonna be out there for a bit like just
cause and havoc. But I loved everything with this character. Yeah.
I loved everything with bulls Eye of this episode.
Speaker 6: Yeah, super fun, super fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I I I like bits and pieces of it. I
feel like the whole escape it, the specifics of it. Yeah,
I was just I was just rolling asks. It's like, yeah,
of course, like as soon as I saw his bloody
smile and like what he's doing in his mouth and like,
funck off here, he's gonna be doing some ridiculous bullseye
magic and it and it worked, and you know, like
I I I do appreciate the overall just I think
threat of him, like on pursuit, like just a guy
that has a name bot, he's never gonna miss. Like
if he's after you, you know, and he's not in prison,
that's that's that's dangerous. So I like the intensity of that.
I think I had an issue with just how quick
it was of him just like being like in handcuffs
and then he's just like at.
Speaker 5: At the mayor. The mayor Mayor's what the hell is
it even called mayor? Yea, Yeah, there you.
Speaker 2: Go as a tongue twister for me, but yeah, I
think it just it seemed really fast for it to
just get to that moment. I did really appreciate just
like like Taylor shouted this out in the spoiler free section,
but just.
Speaker 5: Like the camera work that they had around.
Speaker 2: Him, like when he was getting ready to do the shot,
it was very I mean, it's probably comic book. He
just the way that it like narrows in. For me,
it reminded me of just anime and it was just
really really badass. The music tied to it, just like
uh yeah, whatever like song they had going on. I
was really really pulled into that sequence. I will agree,
the him and Matt back and forth, I really really
dug that because I felt like the first time and
this is kind of like a thing overall for this
episode I've noticed just from Matt being so much more
like aggressive in this episode, and in that scene in particular,
like he you know, shut the fuck up, like he's
just dropping fos dude, and like like he has no
time to really just play around with him, Like it
just seems like he doesn't want to be in the
same room littone have to converse with him. So I
did like the intensity of that and yeah, just when
he smashes his head in.
Speaker 5: It's like Officer, he smashed his own head in, and.
Speaker 1: Then it's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, So I did those moments. Uh, So I
will have to admit. Overall, this was a pretty positive
Bulls Eye episode for me, even though the character, Yeah,
it's uh, they executed it well, so I tip my
hat to them.
Speaker 1: It's that bulls I show, you know.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I don't know if I want that as all.
Speaker 1: I want a special like what punishers get. I'd take
like what is he up to for an.
Speaker 6: Hour, especially where there's just like a kill count like
on screen the whole time and that number just keeps
going up and up. I think he's a really fun
character to me because there's like, obviously he's very intimidating,
he's very intense villain just in terms of like his
power level and like you know, as like a per
he doesn't have like much personality, like he's really just
like grimacing all the time and doing like a dark,
dark smile and all that. Then I feel like there's
like an air of like a slightly cheesy factor to
him with like the power set that you're talking about. Kirkland,
just like it is a little over the top, Like
especially you know, within the Greater MCU it's totally normal,
but within the Daredevil show, something about it seems like
a bit cheesy, and so like when he yeah, when
he does the tooth thing, I don't know, I like
chuckle a little bit, even though he's like terrifying at
the same time, And like that shot when he's like
going up the elevator and he's hold like a fucking
fork and it's just dark and he's just like slowly
moving up, Like I was just chuckling in the best
way possible.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I'm like, I don't know
what the hell he's gonna do.
Speaker 6: This guy is so unpredictable, and so the fact that
it's like hitting these very two specific tones that I
think is really really fun. Uh So, yeah, I I
liked that scene. I'm curious, like because in the in
the scene when when Matt visits him at the prison
they're having that conversation, he had a he had a
line where he was like, good men defend their worst enemies,
which seemed like a like is that a quote from Daredevil?
Like did he say that at some point, is that
like a callback to some other old show.
Speaker 1: Or that something either biblical or something to do with law.
Like I'm wondering if that's like something you might have
to do. Maybe I'll search up the quote, but nothing
that I could hear from like old Dardo big Oh
that makes it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in that scene, it just it stood out as
like a really weird quote to me. It's like, is
that a thing? Is that like a known thing? Is
that like a saying? Like it didn't sound familiar and
it also didn't make any sense to me, So I
was very weirded out by that line. But then you know,
obviously comes like full circle moment at the end good
men defend their worst enemies where he takes a bullet
for Fisk at the end, so like it connects at
the end, and it was cool in that way, but
it was kind of a strange thing in the moment.
It really stood out to be like odd thing for
him to say. But also he is an odd guy,
so I don't know, maybe it was just him trying
his best to like get him to defend him and
get him out of there, but yeah, like the whole
and yeah, like that the fact that like this all
happens because he smashes his face into there that takes
some of the infirmary and has the tooth out, and
that's like the reason he breaks out, and that's why
he's able to shoot mad at the end. Like it
just I don't know. All these kind of consequences that
Matt couldn't have seen, I think are really really fun
and obviously he's the one who took the bullet for
it in the end. So yeah, I loved everything with
bulls Eye. Ten out of ten for that character here.
Speaker 1: Day that I heard you type in did you come
out with something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So people thought that it was Winston Churchill, but
it's not. Apparently it's a guy named Victor Hugo.
Speaker 3: The phrase good men save their enemies.
Speaker 4: It's a paraphrase of his statement from one of his essays,
but not an exact quotes.
Speaker 6: We all know Bullseye's favorite writer.
Speaker 1: He loves right Victor what was his name?
Speaker 3: Eighteen forty five? Victor Hugo, Victor Timely?
Speaker 1: Oh he will yeah, yeah he Bullseye. You didn't see
them in season three he was reading all that Victor.
I love him. You know, Hey, what do you think
about bullseye.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He Like I said earlier in the non spoilers, the
scenes with this character when it it trips out and
just goes psychedelic, and it just pulls you out of
the moment, like, holy shit, okay, like everyone has their
own plan. Fisk is pulling, pulling people's legs, and you
got Matt's getting pissed off in the area, He's dropping
on everyone, just going crazy, and then it just it
pulls you out of it because it's like, Okay, here
he is this guy staying with a gun, and you think, okay,
he's gonna get shanked.
Speaker 3: But then the corner of your.
Speaker 4: Eye down below you see the guy with the fork
in his neck. You're like, oh, he's already in position.
Holy fuck, Like this is just crazy.
Speaker 3: So I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I think everything with him was just crazy and like
the the uh, the tear was thrown through the roof
from what I feel like what we've had before, Like
there's definitely weird, insane levels of him before. Probably my
most favorite one is when he's in the He's in
he's in the car and I then season three and
I can't remember what he actually says because I've just
rewritten the me in my head where he's like, that's
agent Maddie. He's one of the good ones and he's
got his girlfriend's head. But he doesn't actually say Maddie.
But I just don't remember the name he actually says.
I just think like on top like that. And then
this now where he's just like spits a tooth out
of his mouth. And obviously this surgeon and this cop
they probably hear the stories, but they don't know the extent.
They probably think maybe it's bullshit, it's just rumors. But you,
as a or, you've seen everything Bullseyes done, and so
when you see him smiling with that tooth, you're thinking, fuck,
it's game over. And why they took the cuffs or
the like the things the gauntlets off his hands, I
don't know, because that would have saved their lives if
they just kept his little like, uh, the gauntlets on him.
Speaker 1: But he did the tooth.
Speaker 4: He did, he took the tooth. The tooth managed to
hurt the guard but not kill him. And then what
really killed both.
Speaker 3: Of them was the scissors. That was the thing.
Speaker 4: So they should have kept his hands stealed, but for
whatever reason, it is what it is. But I honestly
think that it was it was Daredevil that helped give
him that leeway because smack on the head loosen the
tooth and so he was able to just like crunch
down and bite that sucker out of there and then
just then shoot, h was it one of the canines.
I have to go back and see which tooth you
guys know, was it a wisdom?
Speaker 1: I thought it was one of the front ones actually,
or actually I don't know what.
Speaker 6: Vampire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you could see because they probably don't want
to see Gi that out every fucking episode going forward, so.
Speaker 5: Just fucking big gap.
Speaker 1: He might look a little googly and then darl. But
then also remember he has he's super powered now too,
so that like someone might be like, oh, you know,
just a tooth to the eye, like that should be fine,
but he's he's been like super soldier too, like teeth
power through them. So yeah, he got out, and I'm
trying to think, so, yeah, he got out of there.
Uh that's what they talked about with Matt where I
first second they go back to Josies, which I was
very confused, but I guess she's trying to reopen the bar,
but he's like just standing out there and Doria SOPs
and shows like you want to drink? I was like
what I was like, is she a ghost? Like what's
going on here? But then one Matt's fucking just pound
the shots back. So I love that because that means
between finale and season two, we're gonna get a fucked
up Matt Murdock, Like he is not gonna be in
good shape. He's pounding these bag whatsoever. And then they
revealed that you know, last time opened his balls for
Foggy and mad and he's like, no, like Mad he
fucking made agent Maddie. Matt's like no, like he would
never do that. He only does that when he wins
the case. At this moment, I thought the Foggy was
a live crowd was gonna have their moment because when
they're doing the PUDDING'M like, oh, Foggy's gonna be like,
did he smell some alcohol somewhere something? I don't know,
but they put together that. No, as of right now,
Foggy is still alive. But as of right now, they
he put together that. Okay, Foggy was gonna win the case.
He got word, so he's celebrating and then that's why
he was taken out, and that's where he thinks it's Fisk.
And that's where again it refers back to Matt made
a deal with Kingpin in season three where kay, I
won't go after Vanessa if you don't go after Caring
and Foggy. So for Math, this is a big revelation
of fuck man. Like even beginning the episode, like Fist
said no, like I stayed true to my word. I
didn't do this stuff. So he's thinking the worst. Also
Tubby Winsy Bowl, Bullseye, the dancing. We'll get to Heather
because I problems about Heather that shows up to the
ball man is he wired? And that was uncomfortable watching.
Speaker 3: Like he just did a line or something.
Speaker 1: He's like like al Pacino and heat right now, and
he's just like moving around. He's just like ready for
a fight. He's ready just to go, like clock the
fucking mayri for it. She's like, oh, we shouldn't talk
to him, Well, let's go talk to him. And he's like,
oh my god, like he is on hand right now.
They dance. I fucking love when he overhears them talking
and he like, you know, pretends the button like, oh
can I have this dance and push his fits aside
to get to Vanessa and they do that talk, and man,
that was the reveal because I don't know how much
we talked about if I think we didn't beginning of
episode one, but because Bullseye was kind of gone, we
didn't really dive much into it. Is the fact of
why did he do this? Okay, Bullseye's crazy, he just
wants revenge on these people, right, But no, it was Vanessa,
which kind of fits because in season three at the end,
Vanessa started doing hits using Bullseyes, so it's not like
she had not used him before. Obviously he had tried
to kill her, so there's some tension there. But you know,
bygones be bygones. But yeah, Levil, you know right he said, yeah,
you were sending me, right, defending send me or whatever.
But yeah, it was revealed that no, it was not Fisk,
it was Vanessa who killed to have a Foggy Karen.
Obviously care made up, but Foggy and Karen almost killed
or killed. And yeah, to me, I absolutely loved that.
I thought was great. I thought tracks with stuff that
happened in season three, I thought track with all this
hinting and pantomime, that all of Vanessa was really big
shit when you were going everything like that and makes
sense like she made it. That's a big move to
take out these people, especially like I don't know if
she knew about that deal Fisk made with Daredevil, but
just even stuff too. And she's danced with Man. She
refers to being Daredevil and she like pulls on his
tie like man. That whole sequence and Fisk and Heather
are dancing this weird way where they're side by something
like movie.
Speaker 5: He's like snapping, Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1: When they're talking, MAT's like he's a monster, and.
Speaker 2: They go, I was thinking of a gift. I'm like,
I gotta make that into a gift.
Speaker 1: She was the happiest birthday boy on the world. But no,
I loved everything about the reveal, the pacing, the ballroom,
it was just ta like just no notes for that
poor sh and just fantastic tension building. And yeah, I
really liked that Vanessa was the one that made the call.
And now it's kind of like Fisk is kind of
like fucked, like he's gonna stand by Vanessa, but like
he didn't break the deal, but they kind of broke.
I don't know, it's it's a black and white area.
And then I'll see Matt saved them, which I was
very confused about as well, obviously, like Dylani you brought up,
and then we kind of talked about like once I thought,
Okay saves his enemy. There's some symbol symbolism there. But
at first I thought he was trying to save Heather.
But the way they shot it was very odd, and
I actually thought me and Emily thought that was gonna
happen that when Bulls I was perched up, all the
couple's backs were them, and we thought because Fisk was
was Heather, he was gonna shoot Heather thinking that was
Vanessa and that would have been like a big like
oh my god, mom.
Speaker 6: But no, I thought he was gonna kill Vanessa thinking
that it was Heather, and he was trying to get
revenge on that in that moment.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so we had the devil the defference.
Speaker 3: But I guess he was just gonna either way.
Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know who the hell he's
gonna shoot, but I can't wait to find out who's.
Speaker 1: Going in for you and I guess he's going for
Fisk and Matt saved his life, which you know, I
get the sentiment, but I don't know. I don't know
if it's worth taking.
Speaker 5: A bull to his heart to stop that bullet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he should have should have aimed for the head,
one higher chance of kill. Also, Matt's not tall enough
to like block that, I don't think, So, you know,
for a guy who has perfect aim, I feel like
the decision making was not great there. But he's probably
wired as well, probably like we didn't see it, but
he had to do a whole steale sequence. He probably
is cracking necks, hiding bodies as he's climbing up that
elevator and getting around there. So yeah, I want to
see that POV at some point. We get that when
we get the Bulls Eye before, when we get the
Bulls Eye Special, we'll like see his perspective on that
whole situation. But yeah, no, I mean the tension of
like all those big reveals happening at the same time
as like this, you know, gun question mark, who's he
gonna kill? Thing? Like just perfect And I mean it's
one of those things too. It's like, man, I really
wanted to see just one more minute of what Matt
was gonna say and how that would have un unfurled
and obviously like Fisk about to reveal to Heather, like
the truth of him and all that. But you know,
I think it was perfectly well done the way the
way they did it, just just teasing us there, getting
some of those reveals in Yeah, really really good stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that there's only one bullet in that gun,
you know, another shot, and I'm pretty sure he could
have hit Kingpin, but to each his zone, I guess he.
Speaker 5: Brought the wrong gun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't even seem to try or like take
the fork out and like throw that as a backup
dropping too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just breaks all his teeth. He's just like
machines machine gun. It just scopes it get down. There's
just teeth everywhere, Like, what the fuck is going on
in New York? That sounds like a yeah, absolutely teeth
man's Yeah, uh yeah.
Speaker 2: I I really like was liking just the tension of
I think everything being revealed and the way that it
was happening. It was a lot all like at once
during like a dance sequence. It just seemed like a
lot in a really really short amount of time. Plus
we're getting like the bullseye just sequences, So for me,
it just seemed a little like all over the place,
a little sporadic, I feel to just digest. But I
also like, I don't know how else you would just
reveal all of that information with the amount of episodes
we have left. So like, the more I think about it,
I feel like it's the best way to kind of
handle it.
Speaker 5: But just some of like the.
Speaker 2: Quick shots between like Matt and Vanessa and they're just
they're just dancing and like like I don't know, just
a couple of things that they're they're like revealing and
then Vanessa's like facial reactions. It just I don't know,
it didn't it wasn't the easiest for me to pilo
it maybe is a way to say it, But overall,
like I liked the reveals themselves, maybe just not the
execution of it so much, But I don't know, I
did appreciate, yeah, just the Fisk dancing.
Speaker 5: Like it was just it was goofy.
Speaker 2: So I feel like it was just a lot all
at once for me to really really appreciate.
Speaker 1: But well, and you gotta remember because you guys, but
the lack of Bullseye a few times, Bolsa wasn't even
in this original show, remember, Like he wasn't even episode one.
He wasn't any of this, Like he's an ad on
after So that's why it's like such like a rush
job all this stuff. Which that's why I'm hoping with
season two that if he's in it, whatever the case is,
this stuff could be spanned out. But you know, again,
like Foggy originally died off screen, it wasn't I'm not
even sure if they said it was Bullseye that did
it in the original show or not. But and same
thing with Vanessa actress, like they reshot and then had
to add her in. She wasn't even in that original
show too. So it's just interesting to see how they've
done that. So what do we think is gonna happen
with Matt being shot because obviously lots is going on.
And do they do this in a way where because
he's saved Kingpin, because we've been talking about this where
episode one, Kingpin's like, Hey, I'm glad you're not being Daredevil,
but if you ever do it again, I'm gonna come
after you. Is that like a way for Matt to
get some time bought, like like, well, you saved my life,
so I'm not gonna go after you like right now,
or you get a mully or is he gonna say
I'm not gonna go after you, Like like maybe he's
not gonna target you get.
Speaker 3: To be five times, yeah, five every.
Speaker 1: Ten years you to go to land. No, but like,
is he gonna say a thing where like, hey, I'm
not gonna go after Matt Murdoch, but if we ever
see you on the streets, we're taking you down. Like
I feel like him saving his life has to play
into it somehow because Fisk is still like a man
of honor, and I do wonder too, Like at this point,
Matt doesn't one hundred percent know that Fisk's back to
doing shady stuff, right, he always has the suspicions, but
like he was busy with Muse and other stuff and
like the White Tiger that none of that's been tied
to Fisk, right, So he doesn't even know at this point.
He just thinks he's saving a maybe.
Speaker 6: I mean, the way he talks about Fisk to Heather
is yeah, insinuates that he's still pretty suss of him.
Speaker 1: But he thought he did the foggy thing. Remember that's
why he was so wild, because he thought he hired Bullseye.
Speaker 2: So I took like he was he would have basically
let fist dive potentially if he didn't get the revealed
to Vanessa like instantly, It's like all of his direction
just switched, like, oh, Fisk actually wasn't to blame, So
I feel like that switched again. It was like a
pretty quick series of events, so I I don't know
for sure. So by the time that he jumped in
front of the bullet, I was I was scratching my head.
Speaker 5: It just it just seems so strange.
Speaker 2: At first, I thought he was jumping to save Heather,
like it was that said it earlier.
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, I yeah, I was really confused.
Speaker 2: But I I am thinking that is the case because
it seemed like as soon as he got that reveal,
it was just holy shit, it was her all along,
Like it was like a big, big Vanessa.
Speaker 5: She just ragged all in front of him.
Speaker 1: But what do you think, does he get him all
again from Fisk now? Like it like is gonna feel like.
Speaker 2: It could be tied to like a public image thing
like maybe match just scene is like a hero now
for like actually Matt Murdoch for saving the mayor. I
could see him running that direction and he's just kind
of forced to, like, I don't know, basically congratulate him,
give him medal.
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 2: I do think I do think Kingpin's gonna know right
away that Vanessa was to blame for Foggy and stuff
like that. So that's going to be an interesting just
dynamic because because him and Vanessa seemed like they were
recuperating after she did the execution shot our poor Adam
uh whatever his name is, Adam, That is his name, right,
Andy and Maddie officer Maddie, one of the good ones. Yeah,
I think the soul brings some tension there, but it
also seems like he just, you know, put all those
cards on the table and said, like, no matter what,
I'm gonna be with Vanessa. Like I'm not myself if
I'm not with Vanessa.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I find it hard to believe that we're gonna
get any like action scenes from him next week, given
that he just got shot in the chest. I feel
like he'll be tied up in the hospital or something.
So I don't know if that's where like something like
him recruiting Punisher or something like, Dude, I can't do this,
but you got to take this person out or that personnel.
But I also don't know, like I feel like it'd
be pretty rush to just throw Punisher in there, So
I don't know. I'm really uncertain. I also feel like
it would be I don't think this is gonna happen,
but I feel like this would be the perfect cover
of like Matt's in the hospital recovering, and if King
Pencil just wants him dead just to get him out
of the way, that would be like the perfect place
to go like kill him and be like, oh, yeah,
I guess the the bullet took his life. You know,
it didn't kill him in that moment, but like he
go to the hospital and make something funky happen. You know,
he probably owns all these nurses, like he owns all
the cops and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, that body with a pillow just like submerged.
The bullet caught him.
Speaker 6: There's a bullet hole in his head as well. Oh
I guess the bullet traveled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I guess two things though, because you're right
with him in the hospital, he's exposed. I think there's
two things. One, he saved his life. But also when
I'm trying to think, like I'm hoping Fisk like the character,
I see he is loyal. He made that deal with
Matt right, and even though he didn't break it, he
like his camp, broke it right. Vanessa broke and again
we don't know if she knew the deal, like, hey,
you don't go after Karen Fogg, I won't go after Vanessa.
So she knew that was a deal and hired Bullseye.
I could see if it's not gonna kill her or
take her out, but I could see him being like like,
I like just because of Fisk gone, or I can't
kill Matt Murraw because we made an agreement and I
I broke it. I went against my word. He didn't
even though he was daredevil. I do think this is
how you get Frank back in commission because my theory was, uh,
I think I dropped at some point because we got
late on the season. But I thought, oh, is mac
gonna get arrested or something like that, and that's how
you get punish her. But this is a perfect way
to get Punisher. Matt's tied up in the hospital. I
think you're gonna get Matt back in the suit next week.
I think they might do like a mini time jump,
like a couple of weeks. So he's healed, but he's
like when he's fighting, it still like, oh, like his
shoulder will hurt and people hit him the shoulder over hurt.
But that's why I bet. I bet like in the
first five to ten minutes, we pick up right away,
and then they're gonna jump ahead a couple of weeks
because there's no way you don't get a finale of Daredevil.
Well he's not in the suit, and but I do
think that's how Frank he's gonna see that Matt Murray
got shot and he's and because he meant bulls Eye right,
and he like even bulls I went after Karen. He's
not like I think, fucking Frank Castle hates bulls Eye.
So I think if he's gonna hear about these cops,
which we'll talk about a little bit, and then bulls
Eyes out there, Frank is he's shaven, he's kind of
his hair and he's getting in his van and he's
plowing down New York City. I cannot wait for next week.
Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean one I think that they could do
given that we know another season's coming, Like they could
do an Infinity War thing where like he is just
out of commission and like the Hero lost or whatever,
you know, and then we like pick up with that
next season. Yeah, but yeah, I don't really know how
they make like a satisfying finale given that we have
a whole nother hour to cover. Uh yeah, I'm curious
to see what they do there.
Speaker 1: Miss Marvel comes in, you know, after all those she
comes into Hell. But yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: I was gonna add I did laugh when uh Matt's
jumps in front of the bullet and like Fisk is
holding him for like a quick second, and it just
seems like he just like toss to the crown.
Speaker 5: You cook off me like yeah, my suit, I just
I just chuckled.
Speaker 2: It seemed like he abruptly he did not play some
of the ground, like he dropped him to the the ground,
he fell the blood And then I'm like, oh, he's
just gonna follow up with the classic fucking Kingpin King
Kong smash Double Fister, but maybe not in front of everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you feeling about Matt being shot the
reveal and what could be happening next week with punishing
or boy here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well just touch upon the fact, like, uh, miss
Marble coming in there?
Speaker 3: Man at point dexter h versus miss Marble.
Speaker 1: I think it's just can you imagine if that's why
she's on the Endgame or whatever? The Secret Wars cast.
Speaker 5: Is killed by bull he gets hit by it too.
Speaker 1: Not so Marbles, now, are you.
Speaker 4: Uh, he'd be the this is gonna sound more of it,
but he'd be the kind of guy that would kill
like the whole family too, like.
Speaker 1: Where you live?
Speaker 6: Come back?
Speaker 3: Not gonna give me a loan?
Speaker 1: Huh, I'm trying to pay for the suit man.
Speaker 3: Oh but yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: In regards to hanging shot, I thought that uh, Dex
was gonna shoot missus Fisk shoot Vanessa, And I thought, Okay,
he's gonna say Vanessa ultimately warranting in a like a
Mulligan or some kind of like a past you guys
were already talking about some kind of like oh I
I owe you by Fisk. But either way, this is
Dex just is out to get Fisk. He just fucking
hates the guy at this point because he's just it
makes sense. I mean, yes, Vanessa may have hired him
then said him to do a job. Yeah, yeada YadA,
but ultimately the one who got Julie killed was Fisk,
mister Fisk, and that's the I mean, that's the cherry
on top that was the main thing for for Point Dexter.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it is what it is. They pretend to
be alive. Remember he was like they had Julie like
texta point Dexter messing with him and.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they were fucking them up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very risky move for like, out of all
I get it because bullseye is is very capable, but
I don't have all the assassins to hire the guy
that almost tried to kill you, which is kind of
a little repetitive. It's funny the last time they did this,
remember it was during Fisk and Vanessa's wedding and Bulls
I showed up and fucked it up. So it's kind
of funny that like Fisk's inaugural night is mayor and
he comes up like, you can't do guy, you can't
do anything in public for fis like a celebration or
Point Dexter is gonna be there somewhere with this.
Speaker 6: He needs put in one of those Adam jails, because
those are you can't escape from an Adam jail, and
one of those you're done for.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh that I thought, I thought, even like a
t o Am, I'm like, what the fuck is that? Like?
I thought that was like another like what is that
the raft? That's where they need to get him to.
They need to get him in the raft. Put them aside,
Harrison Ford. Let's see what they have to talk about,
you know, Harrison Ford, the leader. Who else is fucking there?
Remember Trisha Dylan from uh Jessica Jones, she's there.
Speaker 6: Now, Zimo's walking free.
Speaker 1: I think he's jailed up. No, he's jailed up. He's
in Waconda now if I recall, No, he's definitely jail
up because every watch it, I just can't remember which
prison he's in. But no, yeah, he's in Waconda. They
took him away, so Sandpoint Dexter to Wakanda and then
he comes back. He is a fucking vibranium.
Speaker 5: Soon he's just spinning.
Speaker 1: He's spinning vibranium everywhere. Oh god, yeah, all right, be
freaking deal. Let's take our next ad break and then
we'll be right back. And we are back. Where do
we want to go next?
Speaker 6: Gentleman, quick, quick, shout out here. So two characters that
I've really enjoyed in the show, even though they have
very little screen time. Bb Urich, I think she's really
really fun. And then also the police commissioner, who, yeah,
he's only been like two episodes. Maybe I think that's
what his role is. But yeah, like the first time
he popped up is I forget what it was like
that outside it was like a memorial or something like that, right,
and then he kind of kind of threatened Fisk, and
then Fisk later brought him into his office and pretty
much like counter threatened him, and now he is kind
of just under his thumb, even though he's not like
a corrupt cop like the time Force is. But I
really enjoy the conversation between those two characters. Obvious they
like interacted to this point, but just kind of passing
information from each other, also kind of talking in riddles
a little bit until they like felt each other out
a little bit more and then they kind of were Okay,
we can kind of work together here, but also like
we can't blow our cover here, we can't let anyone know.
There's the one guy they keep cutting back to who
is like staring at them the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did nothing that I was like, next week,
I'm worried where he's.
Speaker 6: Going after the commissioner or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a very risky spot, like to talk
in public like that, and with those people watching. I
do think the commissioner could eat it next week.
Speaker 6: It was just weird because like the shots weren't even
like the guy was like looking at them. He was
just like looking around in general. But the way they
cut it is like, well obviously you'd be watching them
and seeing that conversation happen then, I mean just even
seeing like bbe like kind of ad me. Okay, like
I'm I'm yes, I am posting these pieces, but also
I'm posting these other pieces under another name, and then
like okay, I gotta get back to my cover here,
and she, of course she says it in like a
nicer way that wouldn't blow her cover. So yeah, I
really I've enjoyed those characters throughout, even though they get
little screen time, but it was cool to see them together.
And yeah, I mean, as you mentioned, like the missioner
might be might be six feet under next week, but
if he's not, I think that could be a really
fun dynamic those two working together from like the media
and the police and you know, having good people on those.
Speaker 1: Well, especially next week if she publishes this report, even
if it's under a different name, he's like, oh I
got all files on the crooked cops. They're gonna know
it was him, right. So that's why I just feel
like his time in this world is is not too long.
But yeah, this was I think Bbe's best steps so partly.
She was in it the most and actually had some
big drama stuff and I love all the turns of
We talked about this last week where they show the
newspaper shows she completely went with the fifth sides. They're like,
oh man, what's going on there? And then she's like
talking with Daniel, taking drinks and talking about Kinna dance.
This is all before she talks to Commissioner. I'm like,
why would you do this? Like he almost like thread
your life last week, Like I was actively as the
show is going on, I was so worried. I'm like,
oh my, like for Bebe's going down because this feels
like a dumb like character of like, oh, you know,
he threaded me, but then in this episode he apologized,
so like whatever, he's a cool, powerful guy. But then
I loved in that conversation Commissioner, like all that dropped
and you could see like she doesn't care about any
these people. She knows, she knows fist killed her uncle.
She's completely there, just going like undercover. So it's like,
I'm so invested for I'm gonna assume she makes it
out next week. I feel like this is laying the
bread comes for more. I can't wait for her next around. Yeah,
I can't wait for get more into the group, kind
of like how Yer did or even Caro when she
was a reporter, right, Like, I hope that she interlinks
with Matt and all the other people, and out of
the New Side characters, I like her the most. I
can't remember Matt's lawyer Buddy, and I can't remember the
other cop what's his name, Cherry Cherry, Like they're all fine,
and I don't know if exactly thing or anything, but
Bbe's definitely like if you had to, hey, go only
keep one of these new characters. It's BB all the
way and she's done a great job. So and I
can't wait for her just to fucking use Daniel Moore
because I think that Michael Galadie Galadlfini is being such
a good job being a slime ball like this episode
being that like trying to be charismatic. He got a promotion,
but I think he's doing such a good job as
like a guy you just want to punch, like oh
like a and again last week he did kind of
threaten her and now he's just like calling her his
friend and saying, oh, I got like a little carried away.
It's like, no, dude, you were talking in a very creepy,
like not cool way like that. That's not like an
apology that that's a fucking like what would that be called? Uh?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 1: You file a report to keep someone away from you? Yeah,
that's the way he was talking last week of like
never talked to me again, so when she was talking
to him, but then I was like, okay, perfect, So yeah.
Speaker 6: BB playing the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't wait to see what happens next with
Bebe And yeah, I think cops dying next week. That's
my briction. Because he already gotten the other people's face too,
and they they fried up that guy's hand for like
just take. I want to know why he was taking
photos because he think phones like ran off.
Speaker 3: We didn't get these press's he's media.
Speaker 2: That wasn't the same guy was it was taking photos,
I guess, But.
Speaker 1: Like what I guess for me, it's just like what
was he taking photos of that? Like I don't think
like Fisk walked down the room, he was alone, He's
standing there, and something brought that guy, Like I didn't
think there was anything the farious happening in that moment.
I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think I don't know if talking to I would say, yeah,
this was asking for like a donation, right, and like
I don't know, maybe that would maybe he was asking
for like that to be anonymous or something and then
like that image would put them together and like track
it down. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just think that because the cops.
Speaker 4: The cops just said like this is a no camera,
no photo event, period. So I think Fist just didn't
want it was supposed to be private, kind of intimate.
So I think it's just it's as simple as I
just have an investigative journalist.
Speaker 3: Who was taking photos when he shouldn't.
Speaker 6: Have breaken the rules, right, I only have one journalist
who is BB who's on the inside. I guess is
their idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't have a camera, she'd have a camera,
and she's like with them, right, she put the report
that they wanted, right, so they probably looked at her
it's like, oh, we can need their mo she's team Fisk,
she's with us whatever.
Speaker 2: So or she just didn't have his flash on like
that fucking guy did in the crowd. We've been there
backs volume as well.
Speaker 6: Time it was.
Speaker 1: But he's never gonna forget the flash now he has
a half cooked hand, he is always gonna remember flashing.
You know.
Speaker 5: That's a good life lesson.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He just might be dead right, yeah that too.
Speaker 5: He's close on the way there. Maybe just get infected
next week, bulls.
Speaker 6: I probably just saw him on the way and just
chucked a tooth at him and took him out back
the enemy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna use his dead body as he's gonna use
flash phone to blind people. You know.
Speaker 6: He resupplies from his mouth, just takes all his got
some mouth.
Speaker 5: And mouth people teeth. What was it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Commissioner. I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he his fate is pretty much sealed. I I
guess it's a good place to kill him is in
the finale. I really did like that sequence between BB
and him that I was just like looking, I guess
misguidedly in a positive future where him and BB can
kind of just like compare notes, and I don't know,
just it reminded me of like the Ben Yurick dynamic. Ben,
like either Karen or just just other characters that have
worked together just crack down on Fisk in his nefarious ways.
But yeah, I didn't think he was gonna die as
early as next week. But I also kind of forgot
how close we are to the end already. This is
the penultimate, So yeah, I think it's over for you. Yeah,
and I think it'll come before BB really gets a
lot of good information out of him, Like maybe maybe
he'll be able to point in a direction like to
lead us into season two, so that jumping into season
two we can kind of pick up on what she's
been digging up. But I think it'll be uh, yeah,
she'll be bummed.
Speaker 5: But he dies too quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm torn of that, because you're right, we've seen
that happen before where someone's just about like eight in
the dem right in season three, like just about to
blow the bit whistle on everything, and then Fists takes
them out right. So that's the thing where it's yeah,
it's a tough which I guess the deep he is
Smarty record something, so maybe this guy will record something too.
But yeah, I could see it going either way of
him sending the emails and then them taking that as
like that's why we have to kill him or him
like about hits and Wi Fi drops and then they
grab him, you know, kill him from that subway shop
or whatever FISC was eating with that gross sandwich, so
you know. And plus I feel like next season the
anti task Force is gonna be even stronger. So it
kind of makes sense that you have maybe one of
these guys, like a captain that might try to stop
them or try to speak against them. But now that
he's dead, they'll probably just replace him with someone super shady. Now,
you know, someone that's completely just loyal to Fist. Like
I bet the guy that cop I never remember his name,
that Matt's had all the issues with, he was the
dirty cop. He's got to burn him. I could see
them being like he's the leader of the task Force
and he's the police captain right, like so it's just
ultra like the cops are just fucking and again, I
don't know what's gonna happen next week of like, because
I think they're in season two, Like Punisher's gonna kill
some of them. I just don't know if he's gonna
kill those head haunch of ones. So that's why I
think you could get someone in the task Force as
a new captain, because they're just adding more of than
after Frank's like off like a good dozen of them,
you know.
Speaker 6: So or maybe we get like a big Bull's ivy Punisher.
I hope so Punisher trying it?
Speaker 1: What the.
Speaker 4: Take you.
Speaker 1: I'm begging to see those two fucking mental cases, man,
I'm begging to see those two have a scene together,
like the the moment. If we have a scene where
Frank shows up and he's killed a bunch of those
cops and then he looks down the street and he
sees Bulls. I just sit there waiting, my God, that
staredown is gonna be something. Maybe that's a special, Maybe
Bulls as the villain of the Special. I would take
that too. But uh yeah, I can't wait for Frank
next week.
Speaker 6: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: What else we talked to it? Oh Heather? Can we
talk about Heather here?
Speaker 5: Okay, go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just they've made me not liked this character
at all, her opening up with just again. We talked
about this last week where fist we've got a vigilante
amuse and we're like, well, that's not how it works.
Mus Is killing sixty people, Daredevil saving people doesn't really
make any sense. The fact that they're like making Heather
be like, well, Fisk is making a difference and like,
oh they are the same. And she's like, oh, well,
Daredevil saves people, and she's like, I saved myself. That's
not what happened. She did not save herself last week.
Her wrists were getting cut up, she was tied, dared
devil got her and she happened to get a gun.
Woie like that. And then also for so Matt like
he answers the door and bucks there right and gives
a whole spiel. But we like to see there when
they met and I'm assuming it's been multiple months now
they have keys to each other apartments, but even the
first date they met, that was the night that Fisk
won the mayor erection mayor erection. He didn't because he
won the election, right, and he even that Knight said like, yeah,
I got a really bad history of Fisk. I would
imagine if when I met Emily and let's say there's
someone that we had acquaintance and said I had a
really bad history. Eventually I had probably ask, hey, what
is that bad history? And of course he's not gonna
get into like I'm daredevil when we fought, but like
you could say, hey, it's on record. He tried to
kill multi my friends, even the comps, and I had said,
like he was the main suspect in the Ben Yerk murder,
So you would know, as the girlfriend, like he has
all this trauma with this guy who multiple times tried
to ruin his life. You also, Matt Murnock sent him
to prison. So the fact that he's like, I don't
know if I want to go to that, She's like,
what do you mean you don't want to go? Like
fuck you, Matt, You're such an asshole. It's like I do.
I was hoping this character would die because they just
made her so unlikable from the not understanding the Muse
and Daredevil difference to not understanding why Matt Murrock would
have an issue going to the Fisk mayoral inaugural event,
Like it just it just was odd. It just felt
like we need Matt and her to be at odds,
so we're gonna make her act this way. So and
I don't think the actor wrong the actress. I hope
something changes to you around next season. But I would
be completely fine if at the events at the end
of the events of next episode they split off and
go separate ways and that's that's it, because they've maybe
not care about this character at all, and I feel like
they just made efforts to make her a very unlikable character.
So yeah, I was annoyed the whole time by this
in this episode.
Speaker 6: And only thing I haven't heard defense is like I
don't think Matt does a good job at all of
explaining anything. He just like pushes it off and gives
her like non answers. And then he's also super shady
and like doesn't answer a lot of things, like he's
not been he's been very checked out recently, you know,
even once again, like I feel like we were getting
that scene where he where she was talking to him?
Are you even listening to me? And she's asking him stuff,
and as the viewer, we're kind of cut out of
what she's actually asking him, right, Like she's actively talking
to him, and we're getting what he's hearing about, like
Jack and Fist talking in the room, so like she
probably is asking him more like targeted questions or more
interesting questions, and he's just not giving her the time
of day, and we're like seeing more of his perspective.
But I mean, otherwise, I definitely agree with you, Like
I'm just not that invested in this character. Uh, And
I don't know, yeah, just like some of the like
the dialogue specifically around like the vigilante stuff. I feel
like that stuff feels very like forced in the way
she talks about them, like oh, they're just like immature
teenage boys, like whatever she's saying, Like all that stuff
I think is not super well written. And I think
maybe especially like since they stopped doing the sessions with
her like as a therapist, which I guess was only
I guess that was only Like I'm trying to think
of the last one we got, because obviously she stopped
doing that last week because of the Muse stuff. Yeah,
but I feel like they didn't really maybe know what
to do with that character in the second half of
the show once she was kind of not doing that
therapist stuff anymore, and it sounds like we are not
going to get that anymore because Vanessa's like, oh, yeah,
we're good now, so I don't need to do anymore.
So yeah, I guess maybe they're just struggling to do
like what to do with her. But you're right, like,
I don't really know what her plot could be then
going forward if she's not really part of that storyline anymore,
and she's not part of the Muse thing anymore. So
now all she is is this connection to Matt, and
so I don't know, maybe he does finally reveal that
he's Daredevil and explains all that stuff, and then maybe
that's where it becomes a little more interesting. But yeah,
for right now, I feel like we've kind of run
through everything that we could be doing.
Speaker 1: She's in the hostel bad just like you're a weak
little boy, Matt. When she says that he's dared, like
she just bearades him, reports some of the cops everything.
You know, maybe that's maybe next season. She's just team
Fisk and work with him. You know you're no, Yeah,
she wants to talk to Frank, Yeah, get me out
of there.
Speaker 2: I got pretty yeah excited when when Buck showed up,
because it was like, Okay, we're finally gonna get the
reveal that that like Matt knows this. And then I
was excited that they were gonna potentially be at the
party together because that would have been like Fisk realizing
all these things. So it was a it was it
was an enticing like lead up to just what we've
been building towards kind of like the whole season. And yeah,
I definitely was disappointed, I think, which is what happened.
I really wasn't expecting her to just be so pro Fisk,
and yeah, just the dialogue was just kind of cheesy
and yeah, to like what Dylan brought up, like Matt
definitely isn't giving her much to work with, but it
just I don't know, it just seemed like a pretty aggressive,
like overall just situation from both of their camps and
then like this is the penultimate now and it just
seems like this is what the dynamic's gonna be for
the rest of the season. Because I don't know, I
just don't think Matt like his main focus is like
saving that relationship, and it doesn't seem like that's like
her main focus either, And maybe him revealing that hiss
Daary devil would like help the situation, maybe worse than it,
But I don't even want that to happen because I
already already just feel like he gets his secret just
revealed way too much, even just like judging by the
previous show, So don't trust her no exactly, Like it
was such a big moment for you know, the Karen
or like Foggy, like these big characters that are close
to Matt, that have been close to him for a while.
Their bond was like stronger than what it seems these
two characters are, at least for what was like shown here,
And I don't personally want it to be salvage for
like the sake of the show or storytelling or whatnot.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I feel like her actions now are
just attributed to the fact that case she just went
through this very crazy accident in scenario. But yeah, it
was mused kind of like almost killing her, she said herself.
Speaker 1: I just feel like let's say to More, I get
attacked by a serial killer. Then six months there, I
come back on the podcast. I'm back. You know, I
had an accident, but I returned to keep. I wouldn't
describe it as an accident, but you know that's fair enough.
Speaker 3: I'll think about it.
Speaker 4: I would say it took her back the one thing too,
And this is how do I explain this? I know,
I find it kind of maybe annoying when a character
is like, oh, I just went through this and da
da da da da da da da da, but it's
justified because Madison, well they they went through all of this,
this debacle, but we as the viewer know with Matt's perspective.
And this is where I find that character can be
kind of annoying because with Matt, and Matt's like he
can relate to her, but she's like, you know, you know,
you don't understand, like you need to process this Da
da da da. And yes, there are some things he
needs to process, But at the same time, he's also
Vigilanti who's fought resurrected fucking Samara our Ninja's the hand.
He's gone through so much crazy shit. Uh, and she
obviously doesn't understand that and know that about him, and
I get that, but it's just it's something that I
find kind of annoying when she's just she shot and
killed a serial killer and then you have Daredevil who's
gone through all this crazy shit, and just the comparisons
in her just trying to her, trying to find the
reason in everything and try to like bridge the gap.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just something with the character, but it's not anything.
It's my own personal issue I guess with it.
Speaker 3: But overall, is she my favorite fling of Matt's? No,
but I think, uh, she ranked last for you? Is
she not ranked last?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, who would you put above her? Out of
the because you share that in the dar Devil spoilers.
Speaker 3: I did, and I didn't answer that question.
Speaker 4: Actually, like Cheesy's last for me, Dawson would be I
think last.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get any I like their friendship more,
but I didn't have any kind of jibe with them romantically.
I'd say and then and then they would pop up
after that, But no, I saw someone say, uh, Matt
and Karen and then Daredevil and Elektra those the two.
Speaker 3: That's how they would kind of pair it off.
Speaker 1: No, Matt Karen's with Punisher. That's where it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if I might pick Electra, for sure,
I think Electra's but the two of them together is
just like.
Speaker 1: No, the correct answer was that when we get her back,
you know she's out there somewhere. So I'm hoping that
appen Electra.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping last time I saw her she was going
into that box because I never watched Rus Defenders.
Speaker 1: She perished in the same way Matt did in Defenders,
or a building fell on them. So if Matt, who
is not super powered, can survive, electric who is superpowered,
can definitely survive. So she she's out there. I think
she's gonna come back. I think maybe even next year,
to be honest, because like I said, I feel like
this show just was dripping in Netflix Daredevil fanboyism of like, oh, yeah,
this is the show you're waiting for.
Speaker 6: So really the he uh well, I guess yeah. Daredevil
and Electra both kind of went out the same way
as Carla Witch. So I think if he's alive, she's
definitely alive.
Speaker 1: Man, let's get that couple together. I'm the fucking s
oh Man what's her name now? God Wanda and.
Speaker 6: Wilson mattat Wanda pointexter. I'm down for that too.
Speaker 1: And then he has to fight Vision for his love
and I just want to I want to see Vision
explain like the boat theory whatever that was to uh,
the bullseye and him not have any fucks given about it.
But let's see. Okay.
Speaker 6: So Vanessa Vanessa, Yeah, we didn't talk about this yet
that she killed Andy. So I think this was a
really a really big moment of like, you know, we've
been wondering how is she going to react when she
eventually finds him. Is she going to find him on
her own? Is she gonna you know, I didn't expect
that he would just walk her down there, but that's
what ended up happening. And I think it was a
really declared of moment. I mean, this whole episode is
really like I feel like the Vanessa turn of seeing
more of her evil side. And as you were mentioned, Travis,
like there was something that's going on in the season
three and I just completely forget some of that stuff
since I haven't watch the show in a long time.
But yeah, like obviously the reveal that she was the
one who called the hit on Foggy, but then also
that she just straight up killed Andy, her ex lover,
and I think one just to really declare her commitment
to Fisk, but also like this is a loose end,
and also just to put him out of his misery
and not just leave him in there kind of rotting anymore.
So I think it was a multi multi leveled decision.
But I think it was obviously super telling for her
as a character. And she's a lot more ruthless than
I give her credit for sometimes, and I think it's
just because she works in the shadows where his Fisk
is very I mean, he tries not to be super
overt about all the illegal shit he knows, but he's
a lot more overt than she is. Uh. And so
I think that was a pretty pretty intense moment. I mean,
she fucking fired into this guy like like Bullsye, shooting
teeth like she was going ham.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the fight. We're not gonna get punished.
Your bullsy were gonna at Bullseye and Vanessa And she's
made whipping her teeth.
Speaker 6: That I don't I don't know if I want that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love.
Speaker 2: Too how it wasn't just like a quick execute like
she shot him like in the in each limb.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, like in the hand, You're.
Speaker 5: Gonna suffer for a little bit here.
Speaker 2: It's not just a quick close the eyes, lights out moment.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I like that fisca of the mem answer
two where he's like, you told me not to kill him,
so I didn't, you know, like kind of what we
theorized where she said don't kill him and he didn't.
He just kept him there and uh yeah, rip two, Adam, Andy,
you know, a tough way to go on. He was
just having a good time, you know, me and this lady,
and now he's been down there for weeks to months
getting tortured, now shot to death. Family, I had have
no idea where he is like that. That's tough, but
I guess that brought them closer together now. I think
any you know, Vanessa survived, and we spent the whole
season going back and forth like who was gonna do it?
And even last week talked about it because we I
think someone in our chat and multiple people I saw
people be like, oh, that's it, Fisk is gonna be
after Vanessa. But we were like, I don't know. It
kind of reads the other way of like he's in
on taking out Luca, and they confirmed that this episode
obviously that they together took up that guy because he
was kind of a weasel. So I think now they
are completely boning. Did they're both getting into criminal organization ways.
I will be curious if because that at all mad
about the bulls Eye. Think I'm not saying he's gonna
like divorce or kill or anything like that. I know
he'll forgive or even said in this episode like if
there's no us, there's no me. But I'm just curious
how what his reaction is to he knew she was
doing stuff on the side as far as well, multiple
things aside, but like for the business. But that's something
obviously that impacted them greatly. And now Bulls are still
out there, and like I said, if they don't capture Bulls,
I feel like he's always That's what I like. But Bullseye,
he's a problem for our heroes and our films, which
is a fun as a fun dynamic right like every
other character is completely you know, side a SIDEB.
Speaker 6: I'll say he's like a problem for himself. He's just
a problem.
Speaker 1: He's just a problem. Yeah, and now he can't die.
As far as we know, he got thrown off a
Billain didn't die, So like, I'm sure if you put
him in like a I don't know, like a wood shipper,
that would take him out. But it's not like as simple. Okay,
we could just shoot him and he's over.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be Scar's guard in Deadpool and that would
probably do the trick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone with his his organs.
Speaker 6: You know that shoot out of the Chip Oh yeah,
oh yeah, Martyer Dome style.
Speaker 1: Anything. I have one note here where something they're talking
when Daniel got his promotion. They're saying all the task
Force works yet d d And they're saying that vigilanity
a vigilante crime is down thirty percent. Not really sure
how they're tracking that. Yeah. Also it's like I feel
like those stats are off because like Daredevil just came back,
so you feel like that'd be up, And like what
is that saying? Is that saying like are we assuming
because they've talked about punishure Spider Man and Daredevil and
then I'm assuming, like you know, there's Luke Cage out there.
Jessica Jones Iron Fists like those are the only heroes
that really not the sword has been I guess right,
Like there's like seven heroes we know are vigilantes. Are
we to assume this happened? And like Jessica Jones and
Luke Cage were like, well, I'm staying home, like like
is that gonna happened? Spider Man four was like, well,
I can't go out there anymore because there's it just
felt like an oding to throw out there. And same thing,
it's like that I feel like you can only throw
that set out there is if you show a bunch
of vigilantes, and then you show even if it's not
one of those seven, like some character being like like a
new White Tiger, you meet somebody like I'm not going
out there, like I'm scared to defend the city now.
So it's just like there's no context for like, oh
it's down, Like how's it down? Who are these heroes
that are like fuck this, I'm not going anywhere. It
just it just felt like an odd thing to throw
out there that didn't make any sense. And that also
the other Lady's gonna die too, his former that advisor
because Daniel went there because they're at the dance. He's like,
you know, I was really worried about how we'd work together,
and he's like, now I'm not worried about that at all.
To me, that was almost in city way and that
she's gonna be taken out very soon or they'll be
you know, let go for some shady purposes. But yeah,
I wasn't. I wasn't understanding the vigilante crime math.
Speaker 2: So it's probably just a bullshit stat like politicians will
just throw up people, you know, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It probably is. Yeah, it would track with Fisk too,
he's alive.
Speaker 6: You think that guy's gonna get repprom for because Fisk
was like when you heard about bulls Eye being out,
He's like double that security or make sure it doesn't
get through. And then like that guy clearly fucked up.
His bulls Eye got right through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I don't know with the way,
was there not a way they could have just took
him to a bathroom and like the like exploded bulls Eye.
Like I felt like he was very risky to move
him to General Pop. Like I know what the idea was,
like always gonna get fucked up in here, But it's
like this guy's like a master assassin, and you're like,
I actually thought he was gonna kill the General Pop people.
I thought that's what was gonna happen because they cut away.
I thought the next time we came back to him,
they're just all gonna be dead. That didn't happen. But yeah,
I just feel like that's the because remember Daredevil's season
two they tried that with Punisher, where like, how were
we gonna get rid of Punisher? Well, we're gonna put
him in this room and all these these other prisoners
are gonna kill him, and that didn't work, And then
they did the exact same thing with bulls Eye again
if that didn't work, So maybe this plan is not
is not uh but different, right, different fists with the
same plan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think Vanessa knew what what Fists
did last time with with Punisher, and then that time
Fist didn't know what Vanessa was doing with with Bullseye.
Speaker 1: But no, but we don't know that though, because they
said Matt got the information that Fisk is the one
that put Bullseye in the General Pop, not Vanessa.
Speaker 3: But do we know that's for sure?
Speaker 1: Those still but we just know that's what he was
fed because.
Speaker 4: Why because if why would Fisk order Dexter to be.
Speaker 1: Because he hates Dexter like he would want Dexter dead?
Speaker 4: Why wait till now though, after a year later, after everything,
why would he He.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been mayor for a year, right, he just got
may or maybe.
Speaker 3: He just spend a few I'd say it's been a
few months though now.
Speaker 1: But maybe that would have been shady, but now he's
just altered being shady. He's like, oh whatever, let's just do.
Speaker 3: You know, two coincidental?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully they gets answered next week. So anything else
on this episode, notice, okay, there we go, ladies Jones.
So yeah, we will be back next week. Overall, sounds
like we're pretty pausitive. So hopefully next week is the same.
We get a nice, good ending and then we can
go into season two and just be excited. That's what
I want. I want next week to end and just
you know, tooth juice flowing and we can be happy
about next whatever. I'll just say twenty twenty six. We
don't got a month, but yeah, we'll see. We'll be
here next week as usual. We got the discord, you too,
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