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<v Speaker 1>How can someone actually justify linked repeaters in gmrs? How

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<v Speaker 1>do you think this is okay? How do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay when the FCC has certainly said that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not okay to link repeaters in gmrs. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it's okay? How do you justify it? Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it, okay? So I kind of gotcha. That wasn't clickbait,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what we're gonna actually talk about right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I kind of gotcha because that's the title of

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<v Speaker 1>the article. That wasn't a question I was asking. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't saying, hey, how do you justify this? That's what

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<v Speaker 1>the article says. So I'm going to try to be

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<v Speaker 1>as even keeled and writing the fence as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I can during this video. But right here, I found

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<v Speaker 1>this article on Reddit, which is two months old at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of this recording, and I actually found it

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<v Speaker 1>a little time ago, and I kind of forgot about

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<v Speaker 1>it quite frankly. So I wanted to read it to

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<v Speaker 1>you today because I think it's relevant to a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of other videos that I have done recently on the

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<v Speaker 1>channel about GMRS repeater linking, which has been a hot

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<v Speaker 1>topic as of late so the author of the original

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<v Speaker 1>post rights. I am relatively new to the GMRS community. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I recently encountered a YouTube channel which shall remain anonymous,

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<v Speaker 1>put a comment in the blow who you think that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Where the individual justified linking the repeaters by claiming they

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<v Speaker 1>are still within the Part ninety five rules. I'm unable

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<v Speaker 1>to comprehend how this is possible, and it appears that

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<v Speaker 1>these individuals are also a licen inmateurs, which is quite perplexing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so if this I don't know who this channel he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about is. I said in a previous video, I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that I supported linking of GMRS repeaters, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that they should disallow that. Okay, However, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to justify it. Just say do it anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, forget what they say. I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to justify that. No, it's actually, according to the FCC regulations,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not legal to link GMRS repeaters together over

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. And we're going to read a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of this here in a minute. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>stipulation behind linking them together over RF in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>radio linking them together and not linking them over the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>There might be a little difference there, a little different

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<v Speaker 1>stipulation there. I'm not sure, but let's read on and

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<v Speaker 1>see what these comments say, because these are the best part.

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<v Speaker 1>The first comment here says, well, today, since the FCC

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<v Speaker 1>is come down and said flat out that linking isn't allowed,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone has been fined for the activity,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he's right on that. I may be

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about that, though, it certainly ain't gonna happen during

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<v Speaker 1>the current shutdown. Okay, so yeah, this was written during

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<v Speaker 1>the forty three day government shutdown in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>People might want linked repeaters for any number of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them are quite valid. The problem with gmrs

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<v Speaker 1>is that the number of frequency pairs is extremely limited.

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<v Speaker 1>We spoke about this in my last video, and my

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<v Speaker 1>idea was to say, okay, let's allow linking on two channels.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say channel twenty one and twenty two or what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, pick two. I don't even care what they are.

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<v Speaker 1>There's about eight repeater channels, and there's sixteen simplex channels

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<v Speaker 1>and eight repeater channels in GMRS for a total of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two channels. So let's pick two of them that

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<v Speaker 1>linking are allowed on, and the rest of them let's

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<v Speaker 1>not link. I think that would be a good solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Using all of them in one area for a single

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<v Speaker 1>link system is extremely rude, particularly if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>charge for access. This is actually happening in some areas still,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's another thing we talked about. And a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of you sent me an email about the North Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>GMRS repeater system and I got some and now I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any I have no dog in this fight

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I don't know these guys. I've never met them,

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<v Speaker 1>never talked in this repeater system. But I'm told through

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of emails and a lot of comments that

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<v Speaker 1>I got on that last video that these guys are rude.

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<v Speaker 1>They link all the channels together into the same system,

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<v Speaker 1>which is dumb. Why would you do that. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid thing to do. You've got eight different repeater frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>you can use for GMRS repeaters. Why would you tie

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<v Speaker 1>all of those into the same system. Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>do that? Now you've got one channel, You've taken eight

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies and tie them all, tying them all in together

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<v Speaker 1>to the same linked repeater system over the Internet and

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<v Speaker 1>tying them across several states. So you've got one channel

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<v Speaker 1>on GMRS that you can use on all these areas

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<v Speaker 1>in all these channels effectively because they're all tied together.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've taken away the possibility to use different channels

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<v Speaker 1>for different groups and f the same time now they're

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<v Speaker 1>all linked together. It's a stupid idea. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why anyone would do that, why anyone would like using

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<v Speaker 1>a system like that. And then the reply here says

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<v Speaker 1>many have received letters and stopped. I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>see the evidence for many have received letters and stopped

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<v Speaker 1>because I am not aware. I'm I know that the

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<v Speaker 1>FCC has come down on a few people and said no,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do this anymore, and they stopped. But I

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<v Speaker 1>know a few others kind of after all that, those

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<v Speaker 1>are the people who didn't want to make waves. Kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>after all that happened, then it wasn't you know. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of groups that are still doing it and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care what the FCC says. So I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>which group he's talking about there. The opinion held by

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<v Speaker 1>some YouTube rando doesn't really matter. That's true. The only

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<v Speaker 1>opinion right now that counts is in the US is

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<v Speaker 1>the one held by the FCC until their legislation or

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<v Speaker 1>litigation compels them to change their position. This person can

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<v Speaker 1>always take steps to attract the FCC's attention in order

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<v Speaker 1>to set themselves up as a test case to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to fight it out in court if they so choose,

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<v Speaker 1>considering the courts have overturned that Chevron deference, it would

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<v Speaker 1>depend on the Congress set forth in the Communications Act

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen thirty four and other legislation. Okay, good, this

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<v Speaker 1>was an arrando. This was the owner of said link

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<v Speaker 1>systems who was also a Ham. I'm not sure who's

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<v Speaker 1>he talking about that owns a link system on GMRS

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to unlink him as also a Ham. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure who that is. Sounds like a randu who clearly

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what they're talking about. This person was a

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<v Speaker 1>Ham and the owner of a link Gumborus Peter Sism

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<v Speaker 1>I agree they are making stuff up. That doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>the person a Rando. Okay, they're talking about his identity there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so here we go. GMRS Emission Types Part ninety five.

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<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't everyone just forget about the silly repeater linking.

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<v Speaker 1>Realize that AM is actually allowed on GMRS. Imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>AM and single sideband on GMRS would be awesome. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that this is true. Where are you seeing

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<v Speaker 1>this in Part ninety five? Okay, let's look at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm wrong ninety five dot one seven seven to

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<v Speaker 1>one GMRS emission types. Each GMRS transmitter type must be

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<v Speaker 1>designed to satisfy the emission capabilities rules in this section.

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<v Speaker 1>Operation of GMRS stations must also be in compliance with

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<v Speaker 1>these rules. Each GMRS transmitter type must have the capability

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<v Speaker 1>to transmit F three E or G three E transmissions

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<v Speaker 1>only emissions types. All of these numbers here are authorized

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<v Speaker 1>for GMRS. Equipment for which certification is sought under subpart

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<v Speaker 1>may have capabilities to transmit other emission types intended for

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<v Speaker 1>the use of other services, provided that these emission types

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<v Speaker 1>are deactivated when the equipment's used. GMRS A three E

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<v Speaker 1>is AM voice and J three E a single sidebandvoys.

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<v Speaker 1>And this guy replies and says, after doing some checking,

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<v Speaker 1>the FCC has never certified, nor has any plans to sertify,

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<v Speaker 1>any SSB equipment the GMRS band, So at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in time. The use of SSB or any mode other

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<v Speaker 1>than F three G three is illegally use type acceptance.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of tricky. These emissions are allowed the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that there aren't any type of accepted equipment because nobody

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<v Speaker 1>has ever made any. I don't think that this is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>These emissions are allowed. And the reason that there aren't

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<v Speaker 1>any type accepted equipments because nobody's ever made any. If

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<v Speaker 1>this type was actually allowed, then the Chinese would be

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<v Speaker 1>all over it, because the Chinese is the only ones

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<v Speaker 1>making GMRS radios anyway, and they make a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>CB radios in China, and a lot of CB radios

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<v Speaker 1>will do AM and single sideband. And the FCC has

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<v Speaker 1>not certified any so they're going back and forth here

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the FCC hasn't certified any that's why there

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<v Speaker 1>aren't any. Says well, but it's still legal even though

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's certified. It's illegal as a fallible statement. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that word is. The lack of GMRS type

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<v Speaker 1>exerveted rigs capable of AM single sideband leaves no legal

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<v Speaker 1>means there's no ambiguity there. We don't have to qualify

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<v Speaker 1>it by saying except perhaps sometime potential in the future. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if this is correct. In A

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<v Speaker 1>three E and J three E is A three e's

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<v Speaker 1>AM and J three E is sideband A three E transmissions?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here's Google's Actually this is braves Ai. The

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<v Speaker 1>term A three E transmission appears to be a confusion

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<v Speaker 1>between two distinct concepts, a radio emission designation and a

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle transmission. And the context of radio, a three E

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<v Speaker 1>refers to a double sideband full carrier single, which is

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<v Speaker 1>of course AM, the designation used here in amateur radio

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<v Speaker 1>and other communication. Okay, so it looks like that is correct,

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<v Speaker 1>and then A three is a type of transmission in

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<v Speaker 1>an AUTI Okay, so let's just take that at face value.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I have not heard of A three E or

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<v Speaker 1>J three E. But uh, okay, J three E is

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<v Speaker 1>single sideband voice, okay. A three is double sidemand which

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<v Speaker 1>is AM. Good. Okay. And then they go on to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about other stuff here and inside of justification for

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<v Speaker 1>linking inside of GMRS, Well, let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really want to link repeaters and have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more space and a lot more channels, go get

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<v Speaker 1>your hand radio license. Now he's saying that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys are hands, and there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Ham radio operators on GMRS. Pretty Much every time

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<v Speaker 1>I get on in one of the GMRS repeaters here

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<v Speaker 1>in the North Texas Dallas Fort Worth area, I talk

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<v Speaker 1>to at least one or two other people who are

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<v Speaker 1>Ham radio operators as well. So there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Hams on GMRS. But GMRS is still a great

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<v Speaker 1>place to talk, a great other. It's just another frequency

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<v Speaker 1>to talk on, another place to talk, another place to

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<v Speaker 1>meet people, and it's a great stepping stone to get

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<v Speaker 1>like this comment right here, this guy a Meadman one

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven. See if I can make that a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit bigger. Okay, the intent of gmrs is to facilitate

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<v Speaker 1>short range local area communication. He is correct. Is correct,

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<v Speaker 1>and it says that in Part ninety five, linked repeater

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<v Speaker 1>systems tend to cover half a state or the entire state,

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<v Speaker 1>thus no longer facilitating local area communication. With the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>link repeaters can enable cross country communication. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>links repeaters I'm aware of for GMRS use the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>for the link. Yeah, like an all Star type system.

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<v Speaker 1>That's correct. They're only eight repeater pairs for GMRS, and

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<v Speaker 1>the outputs are shared with Simplex. With Simplex use some

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<v Speaker 1>areas there are were link repeters on all eight pairs,

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<v Speaker 1>make it impossible for someone to set up their own

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<v Speaker 1>repeter that is not part of a link system, or

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<v Speaker 1>to use the outputs of the Simplex Jones. I personally

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<v Speaker 1>see no reason to link GMR recipeaters when ham Radio

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<v Speaker 1>allows the use of link repeater systems, while they are

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<v Speaker 1>a limited number of repeater pairs and Ham radio sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you follow the AARA bandplan. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more repeater pairs available on HAM radio than gmrs, so

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<v Speaker 1>limited numbers. So what he's saying here, I think, while

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<v Speaker 1>there are a limited number of Peter pairs and Ham radio, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because on the four forty band you can only link

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<v Speaker 1>between four hundred and forty four hundred and fifty megahertz.

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<v Speaker 1>On the two meter band you can only link from

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<v Speaker 1>like one forty five mega hurts and up. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have multiple bands. You've got six meters ten

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<v Speaker 1>meters two meters two twenty mega hurts, one point two

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<v Speaker 1>five meters seventy centimeters, nine hundred mega hurts, one point

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<v Speaker 1>two one point two gig hurts. So there's more places

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<v Speaker 1>to link repeaters together in HAM radio because we just

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<v Speaker 1>have more frequencies. Don't forget that the HAM world repeaters

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<v Speaker 1>are generally coordinated with the regional authority. Yes, Ham radio

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<v Speaker 1>repeaters typically are coordinated by the local repeater coordinator. It

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<v Speaker 1>isn't required to go through the report coordinator, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>good practice to use him. He's completely correct there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not required, but if you're in a dense repeater area,

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually a good idea to go through the coordination.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is so, and then they go on here

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<v Speaker 1>and they talk about back and forth ideas like that,

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<v Speaker 1>which some good points there. Case in point right here

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<v Speaker 1>in GGMRS, which is North Georgia. GMRS covers almost three states.

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<v Speaker 1>I've found one repeater not linked to them, but no

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<v Speaker 1>one talks on it due to limited range, good catch.

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<v Speaker 1>There are three to four repeaters in that area that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't linked. What's wild about n GGMRS is that many

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<v Speaker 1>of them are hams. Yeah, so if they're hams and

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<v Speaker 1>they're linking the repeaters together, then they're technically not doing

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<v Speaker 1>legal things. So a lot more comments here. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>these comments are good, some of them are not so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are kind of argumentative, and people get

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<v Speaker 1>kind of heated in some of them. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I will put a link to this article in the

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<v Speaker 1>description below. But I'd like to know what you think.

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<v Speaker 1>I've asked this question before on previous videos, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to know what you think. What justification do you have?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me put it this way, The point of This

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<v Speaker 1>article is to the question the original poster is asking,

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<v Speaker 1>is how can you justify this when the FCC has

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<v Speaker 1>clearly said it's not allowed, okay, and people are like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>screw that, I'm just gonna do it anyway. And a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these guys are hams according to this article, Okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>you're breaking the lot. It's not allowed. You shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, and the FCC should come and find you

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<v Speaker 1>if you're doing something you're not supposed to do. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I am talking about should it be disallowed or should

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<v Speaker 1>it be allowed? Okay. The fact that it is not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed right now is no bearing on the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>should we discuss this and petition the s to make

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<v Speaker 1>it allowed? Okay. I'm not saying that, Oh well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not allowed, but do it anyway. Nobody cares. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people do care. And apparently these idiots that are linking

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<v Speaker 1>all eight repeater channels together across a wide area that effectively,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, turn eight channels into one channel so

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<v Speaker 1>that you get on GMRS and everyone all the frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the same conversation going on. Give me a break,

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you do that? That completely defeats the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of having multiple channels on GMRS. So, but leaving that

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<v Speaker 1>aside for the moment, should we petition the FCC to allow,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, one or two channels. Say, okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>can do channels twenty one and twenty two or eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen or whatever. Pick two. Okay, maybe just one,

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<v Speaker 1>just channel twenty two, Just link channel twenty two together,

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<v Speaker 1>leave everything else alone. Okay, But I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>see at least one or two where linking is allowed,

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<v Speaker 1>and then everything else used for local comms the way

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<v Speaker 1>that GMRS was originally intended to do, and keep using

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<v Speaker 1>it so that it's actually beneficial. Because if you're linking

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<v Speaker 1>several states together and linking all the channels together to

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<v Speaker 1>just have a conversations your system that you've spent hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe thousands of dollars on, that's not beneficial to anybody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can talk to your buddies a couple of states over, great, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not benefiting. It's general mobile radio service, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your personal radio service. You want to get

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<v Speaker 1>a personal radio service, go get your own frequency pair

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<v Speaker 1>and do whatever the heck you want to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can encrypt it. You can do all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff with a frequency pair that you purchase of your own, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but for gmrs, that's not really what it's for. It's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be for local comms. What do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>think about linking gmrs? Should we petition the FCC? Should

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<v Speaker 1>we have one or two frequencies? Should we say nope,

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<v Speaker 1>it should not be allowed and these guys should be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Or should we just open it up as a free

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<v Speaker 1>for all for everybody. I would like to know what

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<v Speaker 1>you think in the comment section. Blow Thanks for watching,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you enjoyed this video, check out these over here.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of them is going to be that previous

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<v Speaker 1>video that I linked for GMRS comments that I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>up until now. Seventy three guys, we'll catch you next time.