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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. It is Friday. It's time for

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full court press. I was just talking off air with

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Rob Bino. Whoever's in charge of the Missouri Valley deserves

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a raise. Thanks to the Missouri Valley, we have nine

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college basketball games on Friday night. Listen, I know there's

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a big football game on Sunday. You can't tell me

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that like eight.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. We've got you con Saint John's.

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Speaker 1: That is a smart move by the Valley, Rob, They

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kind of got center stage tonight. They would get lost

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in the shuffle tomorrow, but everyone's playing. That's a I

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think it's a great move by the conference. So we're

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gonna talk quite a bit of Valley basketball. But first,

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the the the undisputed feature game here, no no question

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about it is at Madison Square Garden tonight. Your boy

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will be there, meeting some of my college buddies down

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in the city this weekend. So looking forward to that

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huge game in the Big East. Rob yukon Saint John's.

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And you know, as I'm getting ready for the show,

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I was thinking, I know Rob Vino loves his comp games.

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That's something you bring up all the time, which I

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think is is you know, you do a phenomenal job

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of finding a game that was comparable to the one

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we think we're going to see tonight. And I'm sitting

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there making my notes and Rob, I think I was

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at the comp game for this game earlier this year

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when Yukon went to Newark.

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Speaker 2: To play Seaton Hall.

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Speaker 1: Because for me, so going back to that game, Seaton

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Hall had an eighteen, it was down eighteen in the

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second half. They went one for fourteen from three, one

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for fifteen from three. But something they did in that

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game was pressure the heck out of Saint John's, turn

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them over and suddenly it was a one point game

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in the final minute of the game. If Saint John's

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does that and makes some shots, are they not right

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in this game? That's kind of where my head is

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at Yukon, Saint John's, How are you seeing this one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple of things, and I think Adam,

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for what it's worth, both of these teams seem to

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be on stride right now. So a lot of what

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we saw earlier this year. I don't know that I

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made it applicable to this, not necessarily saying that you

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can't take comp games because you have to take comp games.

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You have to see what teams do in matchups against

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similar styles. So Seaton Hall Point well taken. I'm just

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talking from a perspective of Yukon, and they're non covering ways,

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they're escaping games that they should have blown out teams

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by double digits that those days seem to be. You know,

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you talk often about turning the corner into February. It

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looks like Yukon has turned the corner into February with

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the past two blows. Now they're kind of insignificant Big

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East teams that they defeated Xavier and Creighton, So we're

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going to get a real match here. Saint John's definitely

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is not the team that we saw earlier this year.

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Think back. I mean, it's crazy to think that we've

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already been doing this show for three months. But remember

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when Rick Patino was calling Bryce Hopkins too soft the

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beginning of the year, Right, Bryce Hopkins needs to learn

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how to be a little more, etcetera, etcetera. Bryce Hopkins

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has come along pretty well, great scorer at Providence, fitting

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the bill here. Rick Patino has nothing but praise nowadays.

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I think his favorite player on the team is Dylan

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Mitchell says how wonderful it is to watch him play

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the entire game because of his basketball intellect. Zoobi Edge

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of four is a match that Terris Reed Junior won't

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see and you know ninety nine percent of the time

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in any play, So that's a great matchup. And by

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the way, Terras Reed Junior, how about his last twenty shots.

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He's made nineteen of them ninety five percent from the

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field the last two games or three games. So Terris

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Reids Zubi edge of four, great matchup. Backcourts here, great matchup.

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I think were you again, I'll go back to it.

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I think where they win the game is with their death.

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Their depth is just so incredible. And Saint John's it's

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a good starting five. But in a game that we

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would expect to be pretty intense, foul trouble is a

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consideration here, and if it happens to anybody in the

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Saint John's starting five, it becomes a little bit problematic

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at that position. For Yukon, it's not the same started

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getting foul trouble. All right, We'll go to the bench

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and we'll pull out next guy who could probably start

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in teams in the country. Silas Demory has been great

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the last few games coming along. We know solo ball

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protects the ball pretty well. That was an issue that

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Danny Hurley brought up numerous times earlier this year. We

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need to protect the basketball. They're doing a better job.

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Braylan Mullins, of course, wasn't part of the team earlier

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this year. Ever since he's come forth, I think they've

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got things figured out cohesive rotation wise. Jaden Ross, Malachi Smith.

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I mean, you go down the list, this team is

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just deeper and I think in the end that's what

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wins this game for them. It's a very short price.

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Been bet up a little bit here. MSG is not

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a place that Yukon is foreign to. I mean, they

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do good work in MSG, and i'd be you're gonna

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be at the game tonight, and I know it's a

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Saint John's home game, but I would be Yukon travels boy,

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say hi to all my Yukon brethren while you're there.

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But they should have a good portion of the stands

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as well, so it'll be a predominant Saint John's crowd.

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They're gonna be the crowd favorite. But Yukon's been in

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these atmospheres. This is tough, Adam. I thought for a

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long time last night about this game, and I'm thinking, man,

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I want to take Saint John's. And then I thought

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to myself, No, you can't really take Saint John's rob

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because they're just too and in the end, Yukon's just

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better and they're probably At that time I was thinking

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two points better because the number was one and a half.

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Now we're looking at three points better. Still probably three

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points better. I think Saint John's puts up a heck

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of a fight tonight. I think they have turned a corner.

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But I just think Yukon is has the look of

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one of those Final four type teams like we thought

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they would be in the beginning of the season. So

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for me, it would be Yukon total wise, Adam, I

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struggled with it because I really think it's gonna be

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defensive in some part. But I also think back to

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last year and Rick Bettino made a conscious decision last

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year at one point to just go extreme tempo. I'm

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not gonna set up against this Yukon defense. I'm gonna

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try and get as many cheap hoops as I can.

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Saint John's plays with tempo anyway, So the total to

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me is a difficult call. But I think Yukon's the

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right side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I thought I was gonna I thought I

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was going to love Yukon in the spot I bet

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against Saint John's earlier this week with DePaul plus ten

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and a half. I felt like I deserve to cover

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in that game. I didn't feel like DePaul or I

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didn't feel like Saint John's played good enough to really,

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you know, deserve to beat them by twelve. So in

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my head I was already looking ahead. I said, oh,

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this is going to be a no brainer on Friday night.

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Didn't even know that I was going to the game yet,

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so I was just like, you know, no brainer Friday night,

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I'm going to be on Yukon if if the number

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is is right. I started to make my calculations. I

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kind of surprised myself a little bit when when when

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my math was all said and done, I was only

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at Yukon minus two. So I think that surprised me somewhat.

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I thought I would be like further off of what

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the opener was. The opener was pick. So it's one

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of those things. Hopefully wager Talk's not trying to clip

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this breakdown because this is going to be We're gonna

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ride the fence about us, as you know.

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Speaker 2: But it's not. It's not gonna be a very good

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betting breakdown. But you know, I kind of lead Yukon

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at the opener. It got up to three. I don't

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know if this touch three and a half some places, I.

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Speaker 1: Could see folks wanting to make a case for Saint

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Speaker 2: I'll go back to what I think this game might be.

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Speaker 1: I think this game is going to be could be

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similar to that Yukon Seaton Hall game. But here's the thing,

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rob if it's not, if Saint John's isn't able to

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force the turnovers and the other thing, I'll go back

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to that particular game, Ukon did not shoot the ball well.

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Speaker 2: So there's two things right there.

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Speaker 1: Right, If Yukon can handle Saint John's pressure, and if

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Yukon is putting the ball in the basket at a

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higher rate, which means you know, their their screen action

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is working, they're getting the open looks, they're knocking them down,

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maybe they're getting second chance points, they're they're scoring that way,

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then it's going to be tough for Saint John's to

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win this game. What I can't figure out about Saint

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John's and I think we'll learn tonight, Rob, is is

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this team good or are they just beating up the

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bad Big East that that you know what I'm saying, like,

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because here's the thing, they're eight game win streak. The

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the I don't We've talked about this sort of ad

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nauseam on the show how bad the Big East is

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this year. There's no one even close to these two

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teams right now. And what I can't figure out when

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the reason I probably won't bet this game is Saint

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John's closer to Yukon or are they closer to the

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rest of the Big East teams that they're playing. That's

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the tough part, that's the challenge, and that's probably why

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I don't think i'll bet this game, because I truly

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don't know. Because I go back to the DePaul game.

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Speaker 2: I say, you know what, Saint John's wasn't twelve points

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better than to Paul. They got a couple of calls.

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Once again, they got more calls than to Paul.

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Speaker 1: I was at the first meeting between Saint John's and

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De Paul felt like Saint John's got every call felt

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like that earlier this week, and then DePaul had like

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a seven minute scoring jot.

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Speaker 2: If you take that out, was a pretty even, relatively

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even game.

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Speaker 1: So if that's you know, if that's the type of

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game you're gonna play Yukon, Theoretically, Yukon, you play like

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you did against a Paul on Tuesday, Yukon should crush you.

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In my opinion, because I'm with you, Rob, I still

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think Yukon might be an elite team that got a

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little bit bored and started playing down to their competition.

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So it's it's a really tough one. What I'll say

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about final thing I'll say about Saint John's, I think

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their shot selection has been much better. You know, if

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you look at their if you look at their like

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offensive numbers, the field goal percentage is good and they're

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in the percentage of threes that they've hit is pretty good.

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And I never considered this a great shooting team, right

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That was kind of the downfall of Saint John's, I

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think at times last year was the inability to hit shots.

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And you know, their top top one hundred three point

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shooting from the field, they're one eighteenth nationally forty six

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point three percent from the field. Statistically, they match up

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on the boards with Yukon. So there's a chance this

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is a pretty good game. I have no clue who's

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gonna win. So that's again if wait, I hope Wader

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Talk's not clipping this one, because if someone watches this

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standalone outside of the show, they're gonna be like, what

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is what is this garbage right here? But listen, sometimes

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you just reasoned it out and you can't end up

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on a side.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what we just did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say one thing that you just said

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there that is probably the most factual of all, is

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that we're going to find out about Saint John's, right,

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Saint John's is gonna give their absolute best effort. Whatever

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that team has is what you're gonna see tonight. And

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if it's not good enough, let's say it's not, it's

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not within eight nine points of Yukon, then we know

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Saint John's is. You know, you could always get a

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good bracket and go Sweet sixteen, but you're going no further.

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And where Yukon's concerned, if they win this game by

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eight or nine, you automatically say they took the absolute

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best Saint John's has to offer one by eight or nine,

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they are legit Final four. I think again, it's so

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much of this revolves around depth. To me, we'll see

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how it goes. But I just there's not many teams

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in the nation Arizona, Michigan to I don't even know

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about Michigan. I think Yukon's probably quality depth wise, the

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deep his team in the in the country. When Danny

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if I put you in, there's no majors, no significant

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drop off. If I put you in at small forward,

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you at shooting guard, you at center, it just doesn't matter.

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but not totally significant. You get my point. I don't

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know that Saint John's has that they're going to have

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to play out standing basketball the entire game and no

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question about it.

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Speaker 1: And one final point, I don't disagree with Bayou here

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in the chat he says, you know Yukon typically slow

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and efficient on offense, both you know Saint John's is,

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in my opinion, their whole game plan has to revolve

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around defensive pressure, trying to force turnovers.

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Speaker 2: If it's a tight.

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Speaker 1: Sort of battle in that regard, I could kind of

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see it staying under too. I think I think that

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comp game, if you will, that Yukon Seat and Hall

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game from earlier this year would have stayed way under

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one pint forty four. I think that was like low

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sixties that was decided in. So if you subscribe to

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that theory at all, maybe maybe the under just in

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the interest of giving a pick here in case wager

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talk does decide to clip this one, Rob, I need

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to be on record not just saying flip a coin.

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Speaker 2: So I'll ride with Bayu. I think under would be

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like the way to probably play it with.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'll make wager Talk regret clipping this

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because I'm on the gate that and say the only

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reason why I wouldn't play under is what I said earlier.

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Unlike Seaton Hall, Saint John's will get out and go,

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and I just think that's the part of Patino's game plans,

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and that you can't just come down and let U

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Kon set up half court Deepen that's true, and think

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you're gonna win. You've got to get those when Edge

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of four gets a board it's got to be a

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kickout and go when they have the opportunity, And that

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would scare me off of playing under here, because Yukon

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does have a tendency to get caught up in that stuff.

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They think they can run too. They can, they just

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don't choose to. So I'd bet that the totals in

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the spot where I'm nervous, Let's put it that.

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Speaker 1: Way, looks like the only money I'm gonna have and

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invested in that game is probably a twenty dollars Madison

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Square Garden. Yeah, that's what That's probably how that's gonna

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go for me. All right, let's go to Garth in

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the chat. Where's the rest of the IVY today? What

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are these teams doing?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why is the mac? Why is everyone giving up the

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Friday night slot? I don't understand it. There should be

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I get you'd have to play early on Super Bowl Sunday,

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but there should be twenty games tonight, twenty five?

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Speaker 2: What are we doing anyway?

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Speaker 1: The games that are being played, props to the teams

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that are gonna come out, give us a few basketball

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games tonight.

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Speaker 2: Two of those teams are Yale and Brown.

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Speaker 1: It looks like it's our only IVY game of what

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used to just be IVY Friday, right Like IVY was

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always played a Friday Saturday, and I think they will

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get back to that. I just don't know why everyone

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was scared off this weekend. Garth says Yale Brown. Looking

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at Brown team total under sixty two and a half, Well,

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if you've listened to anything I've said about Brown this year,

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then under sixty two and a half would make some sense.

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This is a team thought that they probably regressed as

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much as any team in the IVY, especially from an

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offensive standpoint of course. Last year, Rob Vino keno' lilly

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was one of the best players probably in the history

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of the school.

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Speaker 2: He really sort of drove that offense, and without it

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was it.

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Speaker 1: But this is all known right like without him this

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year what they brought back, Brown was never going to

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be a very good team this year, not not like

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they've been in the past years where the one year

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Brown Yale, if you remember Rob, they were like a

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minute away from from going to the NCAA Tournament, upsetting

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Yale in the final of IVY Madness to steal the

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turney big Yale ended up getting it done. I believe

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that was the year that Yale ended up beating Auburn

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in the NCAA Tournament. So I guess we're thankful for

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that because I think they, you know, if that happened,

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they would have deprived us of a nice NCAA tournament upset.

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This year, Brown one and six predictably the worst team

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in the I in my opinion, what I'm a little

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surprised that though Rob I thought Yale was gonna just

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sort of steam roll this league this year. I thought

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there was a scenario where Yale maybe didn't lose a

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conference game, and now they've already lost two. So Yale

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comes in off of, you know, last week they lose

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to Harvard by two. Again not a I think Harvard's

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pretty good and they're finally like realizing their you know,

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sort of ability with that roster, something I thought would

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have happened sooner. So I don't think that's necessarily a

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terrible loss for Yale, though they were an eleven and

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a half point favorite in that game and they lose

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at home. So my thing here, first thing, I see,

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if Harvard was an eleven and a half point dog,

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Brown's only a fourteen and a half point dog. To me,

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there's a way bigger gap between those two teams than

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three points. So the way I would look at it,

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rob is I'd lay it with Yale minus fourteen and

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a half. I think they might vent some frustration. But

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I'll ask you, does that all correlate with the way

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Guard's looking at this for the under.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's specifically looking at team total under right, And

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I would agree with that, yeah, because I do think

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Yale could break loose. Here A quick check back at

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that game against Harvard. You know, Harvard did what Harvard

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does best to a team like Yale, just grind it

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down to a fifty eight possession game where Yale doesn't

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get a lot of shots at the hoop. I think

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there was one hundred and three field goal attempts total

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in that particular ballgame. Slow him down. Harvard and Tommy

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Yamicker have more weapons defensively and offensively than Brown does.

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And Yale at home in the second, you know, this

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is kind of a It's not a back to back

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because they're not playing one day after the other, but

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it's their second consecutive home game. And when you come off,

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when you're a team like Yale and you come off

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a home upset loss. Generally the bounce back is in

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full swing here. Somebody's got to pay the price for

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that sixty seven to sixty five loss. And Brown is

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like that team. Their best defense is there, you know,

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somewhat methodical nature. And I don't know that they're good enough.

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They're not to your point, They're not Harvard in the

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extent where they can execute that game plan that Harvard

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did right. Brown can't execute the let's slow Yale down,

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let's make some shots on r end for you know,

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keep the game close and put Yale under some pressure

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at the end of the game. Brown can't really do that.

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They're not a shot making team. They're not a great

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defensive team. Yale threes probably go down here tonight like

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they didn't go down the other night, So I'd be

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with you here. I was a little shocked at the

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number moving downward off the opener, a little bit of

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respect for Brown. Total heros come up half a point.

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The only reason why, and I think Garth is right

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for probably isolating Brown under is because I think Yale

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might find their way to eighty in this game, which

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would probably put the full game total in jeopardy of

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going over, so he's probably on the right side of that.

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I couldn't disagree. I see, yeah, sixty two and a

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half pretty solid across the board here, So like the play,

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like your idea that Yale should come out and smoke

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this team. I could see something in the you know,

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seventy nine sixty sixty one Vicinity something like that. Yale

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should be pretty good here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up Steve Duke's comment because I feel

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like he summarizes my thoughts in this. He says, Yale

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can easily cover this, but I don't want to lay

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fourteen and a half with an IVY League squad. It's

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it's just, you know, sports aren't why you go.

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Speaker 2: To these schools. I disagree with that part a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think they draw the type

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of talent they draw, Yeah, probably academics. But Yale's been

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getting elite players to come to that school for a while.

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Speaker 2: But the point is, it's like my number was right on.

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Speaker 1: I think I was at fifteen point Yeah, I'm at

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fifteen point seven.

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Speaker 2: Can't read my own handwriting, so I guess that's where

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it is.

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Speaker 1: Now, Like you could actually get a couple there's fourteen

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flat out there. That's somewhat appealing and by all accounts,

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like Yale should destroy this team. Rob the number one

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three point shooting team percentage wise in the country now

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is Yale forty one point seven percent. Brown can be

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like I guess Brown's best attribute is just being like scrappy,

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like they can what they're gonna want to do. So

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we we talked about corn Yeah, a Brown game maybe

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two weeks ago on the show, and they played Cornell

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and I said they I gave Cornell they were like

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a pick. They won by one hundred, and I said,

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Brown can absolutely not play the way Cornell wants to play.

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They can't play that game. They don't want to play

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that game. So Brown will do everything in their power

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to slow this game down.

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Speaker 2: They have to.

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Speaker 1: But then it goes back to almost like the point

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we made in the in the first game, we talked about,

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are you really gonna just want Yale to run half

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court offense against you that ultimately ends in an open

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look from three where they're the number one three point

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shooting team in the nation forty one point seven percent,

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Or do you want them to milk twenty seconds off

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the clock running half court offense and then get to

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the line where they hit seventy eight point two percent

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as a team, eleventh in the country, Like, you know,

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they shoot fifty point one percent from the field. To me,

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there's just no way Brown, Like, how does Brown hold

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that down for forty minutes? So, you know, I guess

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the more want to talk about it, the more that

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the more that fourteen looks appealing. I think if I

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had like another another point there, because again I like

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I I especially with a big number. For me, I'm

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looking for at least a two point discrepancy. You know,

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if I'm at fifteen point eight, I'd love to get

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like thirteen and a half or thirteen to to to

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make a bet for clients. But when you factor in

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the spot and the fact they come off the loss

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to Harvard, and the fact they might kind of be

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inclined to to maybe you know, make an exam up

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a lot of someone for lack of a better term,

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that fourteen is doable in my opinion. So I'll lean

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pretty strong to Yale minus fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just to counter what Steve Dukes was saying,

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they remember yesterday, Adam, somebody came in the comments section.

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I forget who made a valid point. Yeah, but such

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and such as one in six ats I forget what

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the exact situation was. But you know, when I looked

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at I said, yeah, but the other side is zero

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to four their last four home games or whatever. So

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what do you want? Do you want the one in

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six or do you want the one in four? Which

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hand grenade do you want to step in front of?

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It's kind of the case here afraid to lay fourteen

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and a half. But up until Harvard, Yale's three previous

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home games they won by thirty, four, seventeen, and fifteen,

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all more than what you're asked to give here, So

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laying fourteen and a half with Yale at home shouldn't

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be scary at all, since they've only played four home games,

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and they won by more than fourteen and a half

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three of the four times. And again I would say

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that Brown wants to do what Harvard did. Brown just

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can't execute it. Brown just doesn't have the same personnel

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and therefore probably falls short here because you know, like

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I said earlier, somebody's got to pay the price for

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that Yale loss at home the other day. That probably

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is Brown.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move it along.

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Speaker 1: We will recap yesterday real quick, A good, really good

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day for both of us.

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Speaker 2: For client plays six and one. You went three and zero.

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I went three and one.

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Speaker 1: I know some people probably got hooked on I like

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Santa Barbara. I guess if you got in late, you

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might have missed that. But that that was an unfortunate

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if you were on you see Santa Barbara yesterday, that

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was tough because Miro Little got scratched like before that game,

476
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so that really changed things for them. Unfortunately, I had

477
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:56,599
no I I mean, I know he had been dealing

478
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with some injuries. I had no idea he would be

479
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out yesterday. So if you were on Santa Barbara, like

480
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,119
the side, that's a tough beat because obviously it would

481
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,359
have been a much different handicap knowing Little was not

482
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,039
going to play. We ruined the parlay with a Wilmington

483
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,960
money line that was That was a nice result for

484
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,400
William and Mary. I didn't expect them to roll in

485
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,960
the trask and get the win, but they did in

486
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,839
very impressive fashion. So Rob, we'll go to teamer today

487
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,200
because we know we're going to fire a three teamer

488
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:29,000
tomorrow with Kelly. The promo same thing as usual. Rob

489
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,119
and I have both been seeing it well. Rob had

490
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,240
a great start to the season. I'm sort of trying

491
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to make up for lost time after struggle in November December,

492
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but I won in January.

493
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Speaker 2: I'm off to a great start in February.

494
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Speaker 1: And you can get both of our picks on the

495
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,599
double the Firepower CBB three day all Access package, which

496
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,240
is up on both of our pages. And because it's Friday,

497
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Robin know it is the it is the weekend package officially,

498
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,759
because it's officially the weekend. Last I checked Friday morning,

499
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,720
so you never know anymore because now I now we

500
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,519
do you do a show six days a week, So

501
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,240
the weekend has been you know, the weekend has been altered.

502
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Speaker 2: But that's okay.

503
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: Love Love going rap can't wait to go Rapid Fire

504
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,759
with Kelly Stewart. When there's one hundred and fifty five

505
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,519
games tomorrow from a hotel and from my I think,

506
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,519
I'm I think I'm staying near in Jersey tonight and

507
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:20,119
then I'm staying at I was gonna I was gonna

508
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,759
stay at my friend's house tonight, and I was like,

509
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,440
I was like, I might need the hotel studio space.

510
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,880
I might need to quiet from like five am until

511
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,160
we go on that show because there's a trillion games

512
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,799
because we've decided to play nine nine games tonight and

513
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,759
then the rest of the planet is playing tomorrow. But hey,

514
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:42,880
that's what we live for, Rob, you know, one hundred

515
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,519
and fifty five games on a Saturday.

516
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Speaker 2: It gives us.

517
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Speaker 1: It gives us time to really dig into these to

518
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:54,839
dig into these Friday games, though I'll throw them out.

519
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna.

520
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,759
Speaker 1: The chat has noted my generosity with some client plays

521
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,160
on the show, but I've said every day it's not

522
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,519
going to it's not going to like devalue the package

523
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,519
or what I have for sale because my volume has

524
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,839
gone up significantly. I actually think me personally upping the

525
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,200
volume a little bit has helped helped the results for me.

526
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: So I'm going to continue to do it.

527
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: So it makes it so I don't really mind coming

528
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,279
on and sharing one of my plays because I know

529
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,519
I'll probably get to the window with more than one,

530
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,880
even even on a night where there's only nine games.

531
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Speaker 2: So let's talk dayon vcu uh. This is gonna be

532
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,799
my leg of the parlay.

533
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to jump in with the Dayton Flyers right

534
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:40,519
here reluctantly, of course, Rob, reluctantly. I don't think this

535
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:46,480
team is uh is what we've all come to know

536
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,240
Dayton ass over the last few years, where it's like

537
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,160
a perennial contender in the Atlantic ten. But I do

538
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,880
still think where I think the mind the sort of

539
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,240
mindset is a little bit off, is I I sill

540
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,599
think Dayton is a capable team. And we may talk

541
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,000
about it like the Loyola Chicago later in the show

542
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,160
where they're underdogs but they're not good at all, and

543
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,960
they're just they're just underdogs because they're bad. Dayton is

544
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,240
an underdog here because they're at the Seagull Center in Richmond, Virginia,

545
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,720
which is a phenomenal place.

546
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,799
Speaker 2: I actually went.

547
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:25,799
Speaker 1: I actually got to go to the to the stew

548
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:29,519
I think they call it is the Stewart Seagull Center, Richmond, Virginia,

549
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,680
home of the VCU Rams. I got to go on

550
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,599
a Friday night a couple of years ago with my

551
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,599
buddy Aaron Kidd. What a place that is. It's got

552
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,920
I mean, it'll be it'll be awesome, no question about it.

553
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,920
But yet this is what we came up with yesterday.

554
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,960
Never once have I made a bet because it's going

555
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,359
to be a really good atmosphere. Right, It's just one,

556
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,799
it's just one component of the handicap. I just saw

557
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,200
Dayton play in as good of an atmosphere on Friday

558
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:57,400
Night in Saint Louis last week, ROB ten four hundred

559
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,640
screaming fans. It was the biggest crowd Saint Louis has

560
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,200
had in a while. The students were awesome. So while

561
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,400
they lost that game by thirty, at least they're at

562
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,519
least they're prime, you know, at least they just played

563
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,359
in a very hostile environment a week ago. I think

564
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,559
it's worth noting that Saint louis Is is an incredible

565
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,720
team and played as efficient of an offensive game that

566
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,039
they could possibly play in that game. So I'll give

567
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,680
Dayton a pass for that here. I guess for me, Rob,

568
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:27,039
I just don't see VCU being able to run it

569
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,680
up on Dayton, you know, from an offensive standpoint enough

570
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,319
where they're just for sure going to cover seven.

571
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

572
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Speaker 1: You know, Dayton I think will probably sit in his

573
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,920
zone and force VCU to shoot the ball against them. Now,

574
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,359
VCU's got some shooters, but they've also struggled with zone

575
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:47,720
at times. So for me, it's gonna be an all

576
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,759
or nothing type game, right because Dayton's gonna sit in

577
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,880
the zone. Dayton's gonna let them shoot some outside shots.

578
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,279
Vcu can shoot the three. So if vcu' is just

579
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,240
ripping it from three this one, you know, they might

580
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,079
get up and we might be trying to claw back

581
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,599
from double digits. But this is still a Dayton team

582
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,920
that has redeeming qualities. In my opinion, they're not the

583
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,119
best team in the A ten, but they're still a

584
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,200
capable team. You're giving me seven and a half. They

585
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,720
have a little bit of what I consider positive momentum,

586
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,240
even though they didn't cover earlier this week. To get

587
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:23,000
that win over the Bonnies gives them some momentum. I

588
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,599
think the Flyers are to give us a game tonight.

589
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,839
So I'll take Dayton plus seven and a half four

590
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:29,599
percent play for me, and that's going to be my

591
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,440
leg at parlay.

592
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll agree with that, Adam, because again, we only

593
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,720
had nine games. I had a lot of time to

594
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,680
think about this one as well. When you think back

595
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,880
to just last Friday night when you were at Saint Louis,

596
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,759
Saint Louis opens twelve, the money pours in on Dayton

597
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,000
to the point where it's only nine Saint Louis at

598
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,160
home minus nine. They of course run Dayton out of

599
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,799
the building. But here money takes the opposite approach, or

600
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,119
excuse me, they yeah, they take the opposite approach. They

601
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,680
go anti date against VCU. Game open six or six

602
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,440
and a half. Excuse me, now up to seven and

603
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,319
a half, seven and a half, almost the same as

604
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:11,839
the Saint Louis nine. And as we just talked about

605
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,480
with Yukon and Saint John's, there's such a gap between

606
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:19,279
Saint Louis and the rest of the A ten it's

607
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,519
kind of crazy. Like VCU, you know, they're closer to

608
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,799
the rest of the pack, to put it in your terms,

609
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:30,160
than they are to Saint Louis. So the opportunity for

610
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,440
Dayton is here. I wouldn't expect them to get blown out,

611
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,200
and certainly not blown out with the immediacy that they

612
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,160
got blown out by Saint Louis with right, the game

613
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,200
was over before it even started, Before you have a

614
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:46,359
chance to even sit down and you know, eat a

615
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,279
pretzel or something, the game's over. So here I think

616
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,319
they come in, I think they play this is more

617
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,480
to their what do we call that their weight class,

618
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,000
This is more to Dayton's weight class. I think tonight

619
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,039
with v show even though VCU and the Ryan Odan

620
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:05,160
has been good. Even though VCU plays a similar style

621
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,079
to Saint Louis where they want to get out and go,

622
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:15,400
but they're nowhere near the defensive teams. The perception that

623
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,920
we have a VCU over the last i don't know,

624
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:23,440
twenty years would be the havoc defense that Shaka Smart

625
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,160
brought to them years ago. They're not that style team anymore.

626
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,799
They're not that good defensively. They used to be really,

627
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,039
really good. They don't force the same amount of turnovers.

628
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,519
They don't play you as tightly as you know as

629
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,960
being glued to your man to man opponent. It's not

630
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,359
the same. So Danton's going to have opportunity to score here.

631
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,279
I think Anthony Grant's team, after being embarrassed on the

632
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,720
road last week, probably has a pride factor to them. Again,

633
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,359
we're not trying to I don't think either one of

634
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,799
us is trying to prop dating up as a really

635
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:01,680
good team. I'm just saying that I think closer to

636
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,880
VCU certainly than they were to Saint Louis. And the

637
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,119
points they're getting are just about the same. I mean,

638
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,799
seven and a half and nine are really close. So

639
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,640
for me plus seven and a half would be a

640
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,960
take here. Let's go get him. Let's win that leg

641
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,559
of the parlay.

642
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, let's look at let's look at

643
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,599
some of what VCU has done of late. Right, they

644
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,039
only beat Fordham by four over the weekend, didn't shoot

645
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,200
the ball particularly well. You know, they beat Richmond, who's

646
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,319
a solid team this year, by eight at home. It's

647
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,799
a big rivalry game. The Saint Joe's game was another

648
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,000
home game they only won by seven. I mean, so, like,

649
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:42,839
you know, this is not I mean Ryan Odams down

650
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,960
the road in Charlottesville. I like, I like Martelli. You know,

651
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,599
I liked him at Bryan. I was a big believer

652
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,559
in what he was doing there. And I think I

653
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,680
think Phil Martelli Junior is going to be a very

654
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,720
good coach, will have success here, is already kind of

655
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,640
having success here.

656
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: But like, I just like, I don't know this.

657
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: This VCU team has more of a mid major type

658
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,599
field than like past years where it felt like Ryan

659
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,680
Odam had, and then his predecessors had a team that

660
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,799
could play with the big boys, and I just I

661
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,359
think I'll go back to the point you made very like,

662
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,039
I think as good as as possible, they're closer to

663
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,920
the rest of this league than they are to to

664
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,640
to a Saint Louis and maybe even like George Mason

665
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920
to an extent. So I'm with you there, I'll, i'll,

666
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,279
it's just a matchup that I think is closer.

667
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: Someone said my numbers right on the on the money.

668
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,920
I made this.

669
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: Five point three, So I've got VCU as a five

670
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,079
and five point three point favorite, a little bit more

671
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:45,759
than two points of value at the seven and a

672
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,599
half number, and a spot that I like.

673
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna roll with Dayton here.

674
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I can? I thank you like a thousand

675
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,519
percent before I get ripped in the comments section for

676
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,960
just for just very commonly pointing out Ryan Odam's down

677
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,359
the road in Charlottesville. It is Phil Martelly Junior. I

678
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:08,280
did say, Ryan Odum, we get just and I'm I

679
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,119
tried to make excuses for us because we pride ourselves

680
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,519
on expertise in personnel like coaching and whatnot, But we

681
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,559
look at three hundred and sixty five games, and we

682
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:18,599
speak off the top of our head on this show.

683
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,440
This show, like Adam has said, isn't scripted. So sometimes

684
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,480
something like Ryan Odam at VCU is gonna because he

685
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:27,000
was just there last year, is gonna come out of

686
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,159
my mouth. Yeah, I had one erected me there.

687
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,559
Speaker 1: I had one a couple days ago that I noticed,

688
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,679
like after the fact where I wanted to make a

689
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,920
point about Dayton Albury playing in the game last year

690
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,079
between Utah State and New Mexico, and I like, I

691
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,480
think the way it came out was he played for

692
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,000
Eric Olin, and I was just like, that's clearly wrong.

693
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,400
And I'm sure someone could nitpick that, but it's like, yeah,

694
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,320
And I also have this problem Robbino, where I the

695
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,719
words sometimes come out of my mouth like faster than

696
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,800
I'm thinking them in my head. It's that's just that's

697
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,559
a life problem for me, not just a college basketball

698
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,079
breakdown problems. Sometimes I need to think a little bit

699
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,000
before I speak, So yeah, that is, uh, it happens.

700
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,159
You know, we're a lot of times if you like

701
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,079
listen to the whole thing, you can figure out what

702
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:13,599
we you know, what we mean.

703
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: But Yeah, that's it's all good. It's all good. Add

704
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,800
with the with the rate at which.

705
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: These people change, I mean, jesus, how do you keep

706
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,360
track of everything? It's crazy that the way even coaches

707
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,800
move around players.

708
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: It's you would need a You need like AI listening

709
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,519
to this and like spitting it out for you. So

710
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,599
there's no other way to keep track of everything. And

711
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:41,719
I don't know how to you. I'm elated after there.

712
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,159
Speaker 1: I have no clue how AI works, just hoping it

713
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:50,559
doesn't replace me someday. So to me, AI is still

714
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:52,559
Alan Iverson, rob that's AI to me.

715
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in the territory room I'm located. Yeah, AI

716
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,679
will he could run for and win.

717
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,599
Speaker 2: Here I saw a jersey.

718
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,079
Speaker 1: I was at the Wells far It's not even Wells

719
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,159
Fargo Center, the Exfinity Mobile Arena there it is is

720
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,239
jersey hanging up in the rafters. That was when if

721
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,360
you were growing up, when I was growing up, every

722
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,559
kid owned that black six Ers Iverson jersey, the the

723
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,000
the one that's now the throwback which was the new

724
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,639
one back then, and just wanted to be Allen Iverson

725
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,679
trying to do that crossover. Yeah, incredible stuff, all right,

726
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,199
back to back to the h back to the gambling.

727
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,679
Speaker 2: Let's let's go to Rob Vino. People. People are like Trigg,

728
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,119
stop talking for a second. So I'm gonna do that, and.

729
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Rob take his Belmont Ruins our first

730
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:43,559
sort of foray into the what'll probably be a Missouri

731
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,000
Valley show the rest of the way. He said Bell

732
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,920
Steve Duke says Belmont versus U. I see looks super tricky.

733
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,800
U s has beaten some quality rivals there.

734
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:53,079
Speaker 2: They might be real.

735
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Rob, did I see someone get kicked out of the

736
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,960
game for Illinois Chicago the other day? Like, I think

737
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,239
they got an ejection and he threw a punch.

738
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure I have the right

739
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,079
team here because I had this written down. I believe.

740
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: Yes, So this was Elijah Crawford for Illinois Chicago, played

741
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,400
one minute against Murray State. I believe he got ejected.

742
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,880
I believe he threw a punch. He's eleven point eight

743
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,760
points per game for the Flames. They already might be

744
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,320
up against it at Belmont, so I'd really want to

745
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,840
know if he's playing or not. And Rob Bino, will

746
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,039
it even matter? Are your Belmont Bruins gonna torch the

747
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:34,320
flames tonight is the question.

748
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,199
Speaker 3: Well, the first time around, it didn't matter because he

749
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,239
didn't play in the game against Belmont. Belmont wins eighty

750
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,639
seven eighty four in at US or excuse me, at Belmont.

751
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,639
Tighter game than what was expected there USC, because you know, Adam,

752
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,639
you often refer to these as headfakes. In the morning,

753
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,960
Belmont gets bit down as low as two and a half,

754
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,280
and within fifteen minutes they get steamed to four. So

755
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,639
somebody bet it down in order to create an opening,

756
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,360
and then came back and bet Belmont pretty hard. It's

757
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,800
sitting now mostly three and a half's again where it opened,

758
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440
So a little bit of bounce back and forth in

759
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,880
this number. Very rarely would I come back with a

760
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,639
team off of back to back one hundred and three

761
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:24,400
point performances Belmont's offense. It started last Saturday night at

762
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,559
Murray State, where they were double shorthanded. No Sam Orm,

763
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,880
no Nick McClain. Nick McClain has been out for like

764
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,119
eight nine games now. But then Orm comes back the

765
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,360
very next game and does his thing, and Belmont scores

766
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,400
another one hundred and three points, and it just doesn't

767
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,480
matter right now, in this league. Who the defense is

768
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Casey Alexander's group. I remember commenting to you off air

769
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,119
about this Adam and watching Murray State that night. They're

770
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,639
so deep. They marched the kid off the bench who

771
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,239
had thirty six minutes played all season long, and he

772
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,360
goes out and knocks down five by the six threes.

773
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,559
It's the system. I know that you You met with

774
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,400
a with a guy who told you that Casey Alexander

775
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,880
might be the best talent evaluator of a head coach.

776
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: And the whole game not only yeah, the whole country.

777
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: Not only mid major, but the entire country. So he

778
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,599
obviously gets these guys. They're a little bit better defensively.

779
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:25,119
They haven't had to be that lately. The the obvious

780
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,639
question is, you know if Belmont's hitting shots can U

781
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:32,039
I see keep up? They did the first time eighty

782
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,199
seven eighty four, Like I say, in Belmont, so you

783
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:38,280
have a little bit of confident revenge factor at home

784
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,679
for you. I see where they feel, Hey, we only

785
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,320
lost by three to these guys the first time. He

786
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,440
guess what, McLean and Ram both played in that game.

787
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,400
So now I tried to look to see when when

788
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,559
the heck Nick McLain if he's ever coming back, and

789
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,360
they do list him as a guy that's going to

790
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,519
play at some point, but probably not tonight. Again, we'll see.

791
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:01,599
We were surprised last night by Mirro, could be surprised

792
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,480
here by what happens. All that being said, I think

793
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,679
Belmont's still the better team. I don't know if U

794
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,920
I see it can keep up entirely for forty minutes.

795
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,639
My hesitation one more time is the fact that Belmont

796
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,960
has been so good off you can't play any better

797
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,960
offensively than they played for eighty minutes straight. Now, that's

798
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,719
got to regress at some point, and it could be

799
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,360
tonight on the road, regress enough to the point that

800
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,679
UI see plays them within three again. So I haven't

801
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,639
bet Adam. I do think Belmont's the right side. I

802
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:39,760
was a little shocked the total came down from one

803
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,519
to fifty two and a half to one fifty and

804
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:47,559
a half because Belmont does make you play their style. However, again,

805
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,119
you know, even if they don't get one O three,

806
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,880
Belmont's probably ticketed for eighty, which probably makes this game

807
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,719
an overlook. So my best advice would probably be look

808
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,039
at over in this game. But it's one I haven't

809
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,800
bet yet, like I said, I and even the even

810
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,960
the money has bounced around as far as side is

811
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:07,800
concerned this morning.

812
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a very intriguing game.

813
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,679
Speaker 1: I believe they flexed this one to the to the

814
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,199
national TV slot, so you've got ESPNU nine o'clock. I

815
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,519
can't remember the last time Illinois Chicago was given like

816
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,800
a big national TV home game, so you might have

817
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,519
a pretty excited fan base there. Of course, Belmont has

818
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:31,320
become one of the bigger names in this league, so

819
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,159
you're probably as a you're probably getting one of your

820
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,639
bigger crowds of the year for Belmont. Anyway, Rob you

821
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,840
make it, Yeah, you make a good point, like they

822
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,000
probably have to regress on the road a little bit.

823
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,599
I don't know that there's a team in college basketball

824
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:49,400
this year that has better numbers on the road than Belmont.

825
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: They're nine in one.

826
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: They they've shot the ball insanely well, like you're not

827
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,800
supposed to over the course of a season. You're not

828
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,400
you're not supposed to play like better than you do

829
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,880
at home on the road for that long, for that like,

830
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,719
it almost doesn't make sense how how efficient they've been

831
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,920
away from home. But then again you go back to

832
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:13,199
just how good this team is. The comment that was

833
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,719
made was from someone on the Saint Louis coaching staff

834
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,119
who's like that dude might be the best talent evaluator

835
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,320
in the whole country. That's Casey Alexander for Belmont. That's

836
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,000
a you know, I feel like compliments like that are

837
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,360
big when they come from like just unsolicited from a

838
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,400
you know, a different team.

839
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: And I mean the guys twenty one and three and

840
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:33,719
all his Belmont.

841
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,679
Speaker 1: Teams have done is since even since they got to

842
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,320
the Valley, which was a move up for them as

843
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,639
win games. So for me, like this number was actually

844
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,480
right on. I had this right on the money at three.

845
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,000
So yeah, I mean it got manipulated, maybe bet down

846
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,559
a little bit, bet back up to three. It was

847
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:53,599
still too close for me to really want to go

848
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:56,320
either way. I guess the final thing I'll say about

849
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,679
this game, Rob is, you know Illinois Chicago when they

850
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,000
played Belmont earlier this year, I don't think they had

851
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:06,079
figured it out yet, right, Like, I don't think they

852
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,840
that was in the that was in the so when

853
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,800
they lost to Belmont back on December thirteenth, which was

854
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:12,840
only a three point game.

855
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: It was part of.

856
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,039
Speaker 1: A six game losing streak, and it was part of

857
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,159
a stretch where Illinois Chicago had lost eight of nine

858
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,039
and their only win in that stretch was against the

859
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,719
non D one team. This team's clearly figured it out

860
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,159
a little, and they come off the loss to Murray

861
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,679
State in a game where they didn't play that poorly, right,

862
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,280
they did not play that bad against Murray State, and

863
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,239
that was a tough spot going on the road to

864
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,920
Murray State and a team that was just so due

865
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,360
for a win. So yeah, I'm like, I'm like torn

866
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,519
on this one. I think my number is right on,

867
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:48,039
But I don't know if I really want to fade

868
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,559
Illinois Chicago at home in this spot here either. So

869
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,679
a tough one for me. I'll probably pretty easy pass

870
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:55,400
on this one for me.

871
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, Adam, You know real quick here. Two

872
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:06,159
thousand eleven to fourteen, my oldest son was at Belmont

873
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,400
and they were in the Atlantic Sun then and they

874
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,000
took over the A Sun. I remember seeing them play

875
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,199
Jacksonville down there at the Curb Center one night, and

876
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,199
then they took over that. Then they go to the OVC,

877
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,400
which was a step up and they take over the OVC,

878
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:20,480
And now they moved to the NVC, like you say,

879
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,800
and they're eleven and two in this league. Now, I

880
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,880
didn't think their rise to the top of the league

881
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,960
was gonna be this quick. But man, you watch them

882
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,960
play basketball. Is a good mid major team. And the

883
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,679
one thing, the one good thing about Belmont this year

884
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,000
is they're a little bit They're not great, they're a

885
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,360
little bit better defensively than they've been in the past.

886
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,280
In the past they were just like a Swiss cheese

887
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,400
matter or defense. But here good enough so that the

888
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,599
offense can take over. We'll see how it goes tonight.

889
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,719
This is a big test for them. Second week in

890
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,360
a row for CBS, Forts Network, for Belmont, they're making

891
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,000
the big time or no, you said, ESPNU so even bigger?

892
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: All right, Rob, you know we've got what we have

893
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,039
time for two more. I want to know, do you

894
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,119
know where you want to go? Parlay wise? Yet there's

895
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,639
only a couple of games to choose from, so going.

896
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've known since the start, I'm going to stay

897
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:17,440
in the MVC. I'm going to play the Drake Illinois

898
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:20,840
State game. Over one forty four seems to be the

899
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,559
common number now, guys, if you shop it out there,

900
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,079
there are multiple one forty three and a halfs available

901
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,800
at big name places. So one forty three and a half,

902
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,039
if you're gonna tail along here, you can get a

903
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,480
better number. A couple of things here. Having they played

904
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,119
once already seventy three fifty six Illinois State wins by seventeen,

905
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:48,280
but Eric Henderson hadn't figured it out yet, and as

906
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Drake players hadn't figured it out, And you just used

907
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,960
that same sort of angle for the Illinois Chicago team.

908
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,559
But here it proves out to be true in a

909
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:03,119
couple in a couple instances, And let me just start

910
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,800
by saying this from the Illinois State side of this,

911
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,199
scoring enough points to get us up and over one

912
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,199
forty four in that first game, they shot seventy two

913
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,320
percent from two point range, fifty six percent from three

914
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:23,119
point range, out rebounded Drake thirty seven to twenty. By seventeen,

915
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,679
they won the game by seventeen and committed twenty three turnovers.

916
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,519
Who wins the game by seventeen? Committing twenty three turnovers

917
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:35,719
just about impossible. And to make it even worse, Drake

918
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,960
is not a real turnover forcing team, and Illinois State's

919
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,880
not a team in client to turn it over that much,

920
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,400
so that was kind of the one off. If they

921
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,920
hadn't turned it over twenty three times, they might have

922
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,800
scored ninety, probably would have scored ninety in that game.

923
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,880
Drake is the worst defensive efficiency team in this league.

924
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,559
What a contrast to what we've seen out of Drake,

925
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,880
you know, the last three decades, and now with Eric

926
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Henderson bringing his South Dakota State style, they're just a

927
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,280
different team. They're a lot better offensively. A couple of

928
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,719
things here in that in that game against Illinois State,

929
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,199
it was their worst shooting game of the year thirty

930
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,519
four percent from the field thirty three point nine to

931
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,639
be exact. They've shot better than that every game in

932
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:23,960
the NVC other than that one. Jalen Quinn, now the

933
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,079
top offensive weapon for Drake, wasn't close to being the

934
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,559
top offensive weapon for Drake when this Missouri Valley Conference

935
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,519
season started. I give you a split here, am. They've

936
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,639
played thirteen games. Drake has the first six games of

937
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:43,800
the Missouri Valley Conference season, Jalen Quinn only scored seventy

938
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,719
six points average twelve point seven. That's in six games.

939
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,599
The last seven games, that seventy six has turned into

940
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,880
one hundred and ninety points over seven games, averaging twenty

941
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,880
seven point one. And it's not skewed because his lowest

942
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,199
point total in any of the last seven games is

943
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,320
twenty one. His highest point total of the previous six

944
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,199
Missouri Valley games was nineteen. So I'm trying to point

945
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:11,440
out the fact that Eric Henderson's offense that he brought

946
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,880
from South Dakota State, he's found his lead. They've all

947
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,320
found their proper place in pecking order in this offense.

948
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:21,360
They know how to execute it. He's got his rotations down.

949
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,360
It's pretty cohesive. Drake games over the last ten in

950
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,280
Missouri Valley Play have gone over this number eight times

951
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,960
eighty percent, cover over one forty four their effective field

952
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,840
I'm just going to point out some things about Illinois

953
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,440
State defensively, because their defensive numbers are really really good.

954
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,000
But you go back through their home games. Boy, they

955
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,159
played the worst of the worst at home so far

956
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,480
this season, so the home defensive numbers could be a

957
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,000
little bit skewed. Here. Drake's effective field goal percentage, pace,

958
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:56,960
free throw rate, turnover percentage. They're all better than anybody

959
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,920
Illinois State is faced at home this year. So to me,

960
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,519
that gives credence to Drake probably finding their way somewhere

961
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,800
close to seventy points. If they get the sixty eight,

962
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,239
so be it, because I don't think Illinois State's turning

963
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,440
the ball over twenty three times in this game. And

964
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,239
this game happens to be on their home floor, and

965
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,880
they got seventy three the first time around. I could

966
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,440
see something that hits about one forty six or better.

967
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,960
Here we're only looking at one forty four. So I'm

968
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,719
going to go that route. I'm gonna go Illinois State, Drake,

969
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,480
which has become far more offensive minded than defensive minded.

970
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,760
I'm gonna play this game over one forty four.

971
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,559
Speaker 2: I can't disagree with that.

972
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: I think I think Illinois State could score a bunch

973
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,239
of points here. I'm actually very tempted to lay the

974
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,119
nine or the nine and a half. I was trying

975
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,239
to go back in my result I did. I played

976
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,639
this game the first time around. I think I laid

977
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,519
four or four and a half with Illinois State.

978
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: It was an easy win.

979
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: That was Baye back in December seventy three, to fifty

980
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,760
six final that was of course, I will pull up

981
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,840
by you makes a good point here that I think

982
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,679
it's worth pointing out Owen Larson does. He is starting

983
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,239
to look functional for Drake, which I think speaks to

984
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,760
your which would help your over because like he was,

985
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,719
in my opinion, he was going to be the best

986
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,159
player on this team coming into this year. Now he

987
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,960
gets hurt in the preseason that obviously was not the

988
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,039
case because he's coming over from South Dakota State, he

989
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,800
comes with Henderson. Really, I think that derailed this whole

990
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,519
season because listen, it's tough to you know, kind of

991
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,280
measure yourself into a new team, a new environment, and

992
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,000
then to do it when you get hurt in the preseason.

993
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:42,559
I think that's why we've seen some guys that transferred

994
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,159
end up sitting the year that like c J. Luster

995
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,360
comes to mind, where like it was like rumored he

996
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,559
was going to be back in January or December that

997
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,480
it was rumored he was going to be back in January.

998
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,159
Then he just decided to call it on the season

999
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,280
and take the year. And it's almost like it's really

1000
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,440
difficult to change schools, change system. Now you miss like

1001
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,440
a couple of months, and I think that's what we

1002
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,039
saw with Larson when he came back, was you know,

1003
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:09,960
he was he was playing thirty two minutes and he

1004
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,119
was just not very effective.

1005
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,199
Speaker 2: Now he's been far more effective.

1006
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: Four of the last five games he's been in double figures,

1007
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:18,159
and I think that's huge for Drake. It's probably the

1008
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:20,960
one It's probably the one thing rob that will keep

1009
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,039
me off of laying the points for Illis with Illinois

1010
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,239
State because I just don't know that he's been fully

1011
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,440
priced into the number for Drake, and so I can't decide,

1012
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,800
like my number here is twelve and change.

1013
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,159
Speaker 2: I think it was twelve point three.

1014
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: So at nine or nine and a half, like I'm

1015
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,760
looking at some nines here for this game like that,

1016
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,519
that's a big enough edge to get involved with. But

1017
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,920
I guess my concern is what Bayu brings up is

1018
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,599
that he really does make Drake better and they could

1019
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,840
potentially hang around. The Other reason I think that, you know,

1020
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,400
Johnny Kinsinger just just can't hit a shot these days.

1021
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,440
I don't I didn't see what he did in his

1022
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,880
last game, but I don't think anyone hit shots for

1023
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,559
Illinois State in their last game I believe that was

1024
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,840
a loss for them fifty four fifty, only fifty points

1025
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,719
for Illinois State the last time out.

1026
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,199
Speaker 2: But that I think is a lot more. That has

1027
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,719
more to do with the way Southern.

1028
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: Illinois plays, in my opinion, than it does Illinois State

1029
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:22,039
not being you know, great offensively. But I do think

1030
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,400
it's worth noting that that Kinsinger's has really struggled to

1031
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,840
shoot the ball. I mean, this guy was a flamethrower

1032
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,079
last year and this year he can't seem to hit

1033
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:33,639
a shot. He's he's you know, when he's on, he's

1034
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,920
a great three point shooter, but this year he's under

1035
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,199
thirty percent from three.

1036
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: You gotta wonder if.

1037
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: If he has the positive regression at some point where

1038
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,280
you know, reminds me of Brendan Coyle on Siana where

1039
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,199
he was like in a generational shooting slump and then

1040
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,559
he saw one go in and then he kept shooting

1041
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:52,280
him and then suddenly eight went in and he kind

1042
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,639
of broke out of it. And so that's what I'd

1043
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:55,880
be looking to happen with Kinsinger. If he hits a

1044
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,199
couple early, maybe it's this game. So I lean toward

1045
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,519
laying the point because I think Illinois Illinois State sort

1046
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:03,880
of do to lay it on someone.

1047
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,039
Speaker 2: I think Kenzinger is do to have a big game.

1048
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,639
Speaker 1: But I will happily root for your total in bro parlay,

1049
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,079
because if Drake contributes at all, Rob, this one should

1050
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:14,760
go over the total.

1051
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: They like a lot of teams under head coaching changes

1052
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,639
at him, it takes a while to figure things out.

1053
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,119
And I just think that Eric Henderson's team looks more

1054
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:28,519
like the South Dakota State offense that he brought with

1055
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:34,360
them nowadays than they did early on. Obviously, Larson helps,

1056
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,800
but boyl boy, the the the way they've scored points,

1057
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,920
and especially the way that he's found a pecking order

1058
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,840
with that rotation finally seems to be paying dividends at

1059
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,679
least as far as points scoring is. Because and they

1060
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,360
stink on defense. Let's face it, that was one of

1061
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,440
the teams that Belmont got one oh three against. That

1062
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,840
was the most recent one. Drake got to ninety and

1063
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,559
it wasn't enough.

1064
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: All right, Rob, I'm gonna let you pick Missouri Valley

1065
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:05,800
center stage tonight. Give us let's talk about one of

1066
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,280
the Valley games we haven't talked about yet. We'll close

1067
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,280
out the show with that.

1068
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,039
Speaker 3: You want to go to Murray and Southern Illinois just

1069
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:18,360
because it's such a real contrast in styles. Who can

1070
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,239
impose their will. On the other side, Southern Illinois adam

1071
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,719
is a team that you know just reading local Missouri

1072
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,360
Valley articles this season. Southern Illinois is a team where

1073
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,639
you wonder why and I don't think Murray State will

1074
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:39,440
do this because Murray State isn't known to do this.

1075
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:42,599
But the question is, why doesn't every team just come

1076
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,280
out against Southern Illinois and line up in a zone

1077
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,760
and forcing the shoot from the perimeter and just win

1078
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,320
the game because Southern Illinois probably can't shoot at two

1079
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,840
pm shoot around or whatever. It's a question. Murray State's

1080
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,039
not inclined to go zone, much more of a man

1081
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,239
to man team. But man, if you're coaching against this

1082
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,159
Southern Illinois team, you probably want to just say, hey,

1083
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,159
don't let these guys beat us inside. They can't shoot

1084
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,400
from the outside. They're not a good offensive team to

1085
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,559
begin with. Murray State really is. We saw them get

1086
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:20,199
a little bit of a bounce back their last game,

1087
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,800
the four straight losses, right and then we talked about

1088
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,840
the game they did cover six and a half one

1089
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,360
by seven against Illinois Chicago the other night. Pretty good game,

1090
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,000
but Murray State really needed it, and they do need

1091
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:34,199
to keep stacking them here. I just where Murray's concerned.

1092
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:39,360
When I watched them the handful of times that I've

1093
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,079
seen them full game this year. They're going to score

1094
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,039
on whoever they play. They're just going to score. It's

1095
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:50,159
that simple. They're that good offensively. But they don't mind

1096
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,559
giving them up either. The question here is can Southern

1097
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,920
Illinois will they score with them? And the first time

1098
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,199
around the answer was yes. Eighty four eighty one, one

1099
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,280
hundred and sixty five points in that game. And like

1100
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,360
you say, the second time around from Missouri Valley here

1101
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,599
was all early December now where where we are. But

1102
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,360
I could see this game one more time being played

1103
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,679
Murray State's way. However, one fifty eight to me is

1104
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,599
just way too high. I just can't trust Southern Illinois

1105
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,280
to come back with another eighty point performance. As good

1106
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,039
as they were in that first game, one sixty five

1107
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,639
isn't that far from one fifty eight. And if shots

1108
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:27,639
don't fall for them tonight, I don't think it'll get there.

1109
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:29,800
I like the Murray State side. I think I would

1110
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,519
take that more than anything Murray State has been met.

1111
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:34,559
From pick to minus one and a half, I can

1112
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:38,679
understand it. Southern Illinois is a one trick pony. If

1113
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:40,960
they can't defend and keep you in the fifties, like

1114
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,199
you just talked about that fifty four to fifty grinder

1115
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:46,840
they just played with you, I see, then they can't win.

1116
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,360
So I'm gonna look at Murray State here minus one

1117
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:49,840
and a half.

1118
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my only problem with that is the

1119
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,519
way Murray Murray has shot the ball of late, because

1120
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,320
they have even the other day like that. That's been

1121
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,039
Murray State's problem. They have not shot the ball well

1122
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:07,079
at all. And I guess you could say, you know,

1123
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:10,880
they broke out a little bit against Illinois Chicago, but

1124
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,039
still nine for twenty eight from three in that game.

1125
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,159
I think Murray State the reason they won that was,

1126
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:20,519
you know, they handled the glass, they got to the

1127
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:22,639
foul line, scored, scored sixteen.

1128
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:23,599
Speaker 2: Points from the free throw line.

1129
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:26,639
Speaker 1: It was a better shooting performance forty six point seven

1130
00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:28,960
percent from the field. But if you go back to

1131
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:32,159
like really the last three weeks, Murray State has not

1132
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,280
shot the ball well, and the reason that's a concern

1133
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,199
for me is the first meeting way back in late December.

1134
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,679
They were shooting the ball well, they hit ten threes

1135
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:43,119
in that game, they shot fifty one percent from the field,

1136
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,800
and they still only won by three. The question that,

1137
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,000
you know, as someone that was trying to make a

1138
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:50,840
case for Southern Illinois, am I really getting enough.

1139
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: With that number?

1140
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,719
Speaker 1: And then of course the dreaded you know, and this

1141
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,599
is what we were saying with Illinois State as well,

1142
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,920
the dreaded Murray State figures it out night, which is

1143
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:03,039
probably coming sooner than later, right where they put it

1144
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:05,800
all together and have that offensive game we know they're

1145
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,039
capable of having and then suddenly you know, it might

1146
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:12,039
be good night. So yeah, that's gonna be an interesting game.

1147
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,480
I don't think it's the best matchup for Murray State,

1148
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,199
but it almost feels like one of those situations rob

1149
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:20,719
where you had your chance and you don't want to

1150
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,920
poke the bear, right because we know what Murray State

1151
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,000
when they're on, you're probably getting run out of that

1152
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:29,760
gym if you if you can't score. And suddenly Illinois

1153
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,360
has shown the ability to you know, kind of struggle

1154
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,480
offensively at times.

1155
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,119
Speaker 2: So I think I maybe leaned.

1156
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: Toward the under with you more so than the side.

1157
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,679
Bayou says that line flip kind of indicates Murray State

1158
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:43,679
will light it up tonight.

1159
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: It's coming. Murray State's gonna have a game in the

1160
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,320
near future where they go off. I tell you that much.

1161
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,000
That's probably around the corner.

1162
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: All right, eleven am, it's time for us to call

1163
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,480
it a day. We'll be back eleven am. Or I'm sorry, yeah,

1164
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,880
we'll be back eleven am Ish Eastern. We let Gianni

1165
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,360
go first on the last call show. We'll be rapid

1166
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,079
fire with Kelly tomorrow and in the eleven am slot

1167
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:09,400
on last call for today, the two team parlay Dayton

1168
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,599
plus seven and a half.

1169
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: It's one of my client plays.

1170
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: Rob's gonna go with Drake Illinois State over one P

1171
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,199
forty four, your traditional two teamer. Let's hit this one

1172
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,280
and then we'll be back to fire a three teamer

1173
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,360
with Kelly in Vegas tomorrow.

1174
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: Have a great Friday everyone. We'll see you guys tomorrow morning.