Speaker 1: Nat to please three.
Speaker 2: Al Right, it is Tuesday, April eight, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: This is Sparta.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Jason straight worn alone with my co host,
Speaker 2: said Drick Swerve and Irvin.
Speaker 3: Hit him with the swerve, Hit him with the swerve,
Speaker 3: hitt him with the swerve, Hit him with the swerve.
Speaker 2: Hey man, that that uh pittbu will get you hypre
Speaker 2: every time doing it.
Speaker 3: No, it's that COR's light now.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir cors Light. Hey man, we got a whole
Speaker 2: truckload of these things, man, thanks to you and the
Speaker 2: guys hold at Corus Light official beer of This is
Speaker 2: Sparta in this shot. Hey swerve man, listen, we won't
Speaker 2: let everybody know. If that's your first time join us,
Speaker 2: we want to welcome you. If this is not your
Speaker 2: first time, we thank you for your loyalty and do
Speaker 2: not forget to hit the light and subscribe buttons because
Speaker 2: it helps a whole lot doesn't cost you would think
Speaker 2: let us know where you watch it from. You know,
Speaker 2: bad Gay Gray is in the house once again. Rashi
Speaker 2: Howard Lansing's finals. Hey man, we got a jam packed show.
Speaker 2: We got one of Lansing's finance on the show, tonight
Speaker 2: as a special guest. We're gonna get to that in
Speaker 2: a moment, Maureen, how you doing Spartan fans in the house?
Speaker 2: Coach Mareene as coach? That is definitely coach. You know,
Speaker 2: I know what he was hitting people up today on
Speaker 2: Facebook and everything. I know he's somewhere out there, you know, sipping,
Speaker 2: you know, something coming, you know, getting on he said,
Speaker 2: I know he was up late last night watching that game.
Speaker 2: It's talk about your weekend, man, how was your weekend?
Speaker 3: Straight? You know, I'm the head coach man of Raw
Speaker 3: seven on seven and we had a tournament and uh
Speaker 3: and the guys played well, man, they fought to the end,
Speaker 3: and uh they played in Orlando. Uh, then my son
Speaker 3: had a visit at Georgia. I mean it's just, you know,
Speaker 3: I need to make three of me. You know, I
Speaker 3: hate to tell you. You know who he's going next Friday?
Speaker 3: This Friday.
Speaker 2: Oh you mean like in a few days, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Where are you going?
Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but just
Speaker 3: know I'm this shirt I have on now, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have it on Saturday at the practice at the scrimmage.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, it sounds like you're going someplace and parts unknown.
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna broke that, by the way, you listen,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm already gonna take you everywhere. And again,
Speaker 2: this is the son, your son's decision. Ultimately, I had
Speaker 2: my son Cody was in town in Michigan this past weekend.
Speaker 3: Man, you know that I saw he looked a real
Speaker 3: good walk in the halls of the Green and White.
Speaker 2: Yeah you saw that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has to
Speaker 2: start a lout there. He is right there.
Speaker 1: That's the younger Cody, the sequel that's twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: He took a tour. You know, he was walking around
Speaker 1: watching for.
Speaker 3: It was literally what's up with the one finger?
Speaker 1: Like what that's that number one? You're just saying, hey, you.
Speaker 3: Know, no, I didn't go up. It went this ways great, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey man, young you're gonna figure this
Speaker 2: flow out, you know. But now, it was great having
Speaker 2: him there, and he had spent some time with his
Speaker 2: brother ultimately too over in the other place where you're
Speaker 2: going this coming up weekend, but this coming weekend. But man,
Speaker 2: it was great having him walk the halls and the
Speaker 2: old stomping grounds. Man, my favorite place on the planets
Speaker 2: were East Lansing, Michister State's campus. Nothing like it.
Speaker 3: Man, Oh, you got to go to Columbia.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll be taking him to Columbia if we do that.
Speaker 2: You know, Columbia. If you're in the market for a newer,
Speaker 2: pre owned Forward or Lincoln, there's only one place to go.
Speaker 2: Hines Park Automotive Group is family own and operated and sharing.
Speaker 2: You are not just a number, but a value member
Speaker 2: of their family, offering the best price in the doorstep
Speaker 2: delivery of your new vehicle anywhere in the state. Now
Speaker 2: it's time to experience the make it easy dealer. Visit
Speaker 2: Hinespark dot com. Now you won't regret it. Sword look, man,
Speaker 2: lots of stuff to talk about, you know. Obviously, gonna
Speaker 2: get into the spring football action of what's going on
Speaker 2: with Michigan State because we had you know, this special cam.
Speaker 2: Your drone was up and they were there. He was
Speaker 2: there this weekend, so we got to see bird's eye
Speaker 2: and like right there on the field view of what
Speaker 2: was happening and what our thoughts are on that. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get to that in a minute. We also have
Speaker 2: to get to our special guests. But we also are
Speaker 2: gonna cover what some may say. It was a real
Speaker 2: sad day in East Lansing today after these message from
Speaker 2: our friends over at Grade Matter Exchange Great Matters.
Speaker 4: Just like a bad player can cost your team the
Speaker 4: game overpaying for shipping can cost your business, Gray Matter,
Speaker 4: exchange your all star team for shipping savings will help
Speaker 4: you score big with up to thirty savings on your ups.
Speaker 4: And that X costs.
Speaker 2: Wookie in the house. And that's Cody's nickname right there. Brad,
Speaker 2: he was there practice too. Brad was at practice. I
Speaker 2: saw you. You saw us.
Speaker 3: There, Brag the actor. What's the act? I say?
Speaker 2: He looked like, no, no, this Mike, Mike looks like
Speaker 2: Brad Gray Gray Silver Mike.
Speaker 3: A man, see team.
Speaker 2: Man, I get it, I get it man. We gotta
Speaker 2: get into this man, because this is we gotta just
Speaker 2: pull the band aid off everybody. So there's a short
Speaker 2: video made in remembrance of the great Jace Richardson.
Speaker 3: Ohe to the good time.
Speaker 1: Made the last a week.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I thought we gat Judy evil, but for e gone. No,
Speaker 1: it's Tuesday to Bye tunious today. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Jason Richerson did declare for the NBA Draft today in
Speaker 2: the long letter to Spartan Nation, saying that listen, man,
Speaker 2: he he will ever forever be a Spartan dog, but
Speaker 2: swear if it was just too much, it's a lottery pick.
Speaker 2: That's what everybody's calling him. So I had to take
Speaker 2: the offer and all his dreams, just like his daddy.
Speaker 3: Straight what I told you. He should have kissed the
Speaker 3: floor in the letter that I would have gave everybody hugs, DAPs.
Speaker 3: I would have exchanged Instagram, Twitter because I'm not going
Speaker 3: back to East Lands. I'm not going back there. Y'all
Speaker 3: can clear out my locker, y'all can have my dorm,
Speaker 3: y'all can have everything. Getting a matter of fact, give
Speaker 3: it to the new freshman that's coming behind me because
Speaker 3: I'm not going back there. I told you guys that
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I mean, he wrote a long letter. Kudos,
Speaker 3: but I already knew. You already knew.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of little long faces today and inspired
Speaker 2: because yesterday he kind of posted a cryptic message saying
Speaker 2: something about he may come back and something like that.
Speaker 1: But we don't we know.
Speaker 3: I knew when he started starting and they started talking
Speaker 3: about it when they first mentioned Loti pick clear out
Speaker 3: his locker, and.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Tom is a coaches is going to talk
Speaker 2: about this at some point, not today, but he usually
Speaker 2: let's you know, he's not a guy that's gonna try
Speaker 2: to stop a kid from following his dreams, especially when
Speaker 2: he's gonna be drafted so high. I don't think Christy
Speaker 2: was considered a lottery but he certainly wasn't and he
Speaker 2: ended up being a starter for the Lakers before now
Speaker 2: I think he's with the Mavericks. So Jason Richardson Mannie,
Speaker 2: this is a guy who's going to have a hell
Speaker 2: of an NBA career as well. That's what it looks
Speaker 2: like for me as an eighteen year old doing what
Speaker 2: he did as he started maturing later on in the season.
Speaker 2: I mean, best of luck and well wishes for him
Speaker 2: and what he's going to do and accomplishing his career.
Speaker 3: You know the thing about a kid like that in
Speaker 3: that sport, you know, when you got a dad that
Speaker 3: played the game and the dad still in shade, they
Speaker 3: probably still go in the back on you know, they
Speaker 3: probably got a full cord and all that. And like
Speaker 3: I was just watching highlight with the cross Sober bring
Speaker 3: behind the back and stop on a dime like that's
Speaker 3: something he had to work on, you know. I know
Speaker 3: Jason had to be like me. You know, I just
Speaker 3: set my alarm clock five o'clock in the morning, wake
Speaker 3: him up, let's go. We got push ups, we got
Speaker 3: pull ups, we got every day. Came belly and open
Speaker 3: their eyes and that way he do that crossover stop,
Speaker 3: big back, stip back, do this, do that. That's something
Speaker 3: he's been working on since, you know, since he can
Speaker 3: pick up a basketball. So I say that to say this,
Speaker 3: You got a dad that played the game, played thirteen
Speaker 3: years in the NBA, you know, and who's gonna be
Speaker 3: there like your manager, you know, but great guy, great player. Man.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even kiss is. I have told him. I
Speaker 3: call him later.
Speaker 2: The good news is he's going to be a part
Speaker 2: of the Spartan family for life, just like his father
Speaker 2: and all his predecessors. So look, you know, it was
Speaker 2: a great run, got to the elite. He was not
Speaker 2: able to punch a ticket to the final four, and
Speaker 2: doesn't look like that's in the cards. His father played
Speaker 2: two seasons on campus in Michigan State before then eventually
Speaker 2: going to the NBA Jason better than his dad. I
Speaker 2: guess so he's gone as a true freshman. H so good,
Speaker 2: best of luck to him.
Speaker 3: Oh, hold on straight, hold on, lord, I don't say
Speaker 3: better than his dad. Me.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, Hey, listen, when you're talking about he
Speaker 2: is five, his ability to get out in one year,
Speaker 2: this is what you're gonna grade him on. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that he's a dunker like his dad, but listen,
Speaker 2: at the same age he is definitely viewed it as
Speaker 2: a higher draft pick than his dad was at the
Speaker 2: same age.
Speaker 3: That's a fact straight. His dad went five. Jason not
Speaker 3: going five as a sophomore. His dad went five. So
Speaker 3: what did we say.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a whole other year. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I would tell Jason to come back then and see
Speaker 3: if you go five.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, man, listen, he ain't coming back. It
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense for him to do that. He's
Speaker 2: a you know, like you said, I don't think there's
Speaker 2: any It was no talk to him not hiring an agent,
Speaker 2: because you can do that in basketball. Not hiring h
Speaker 2: go test the waters and then come back. Potentially, that's
Speaker 2: a rap you're talking about. Somebody who is a definite
Speaker 2: lottery pick. This is where we're at. I only want
Speaker 2: to know how much two championship caliber starters costs. Can't miss,
Speaker 2: gotta buy smart. That's Action Jackson. Okay, they want to know.
Speaker 2: Somebody wants to know. Action Jackson wants to know how
Speaker 2: much it costs. You got the money. I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is like one of them deve Portnoy things.
Speaker 2: He's putting up the dollars. Is that what's going on?
Speaker 1: Action? Talk to him.
Speaker 2: You put you in trust with the right people.
Speaker 3: Right right right, AJ, if you got the money, AJ,
Speaker 3: you let us know if not Coal Lizzo that kind
Speaker 3: of rhyme. AJ, if you got the money, let us know.
Speaker 3: If not Coal.
Speaker 2: Lizzo got the money, let us know it's not now
Speaker 2: we gotta If he got the money, man, we're gonna get.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get all kind of players. That is what
Speaker 2: That's what we need. We need people like that, that
Speaker 2: kind of aggressiveness. And we're gonna talk a lot about
Speaker 2: Nil and what's going on because there was a huge
Speaker 2: court case hearing yesterday as far as the House settlement
Speaker 2: and something we've talked about on this show. A lot,
Speaker 2: but it has to do with what the landscape of
Speaker 2: college athletics is gonna look like here going forward. And
Speaker 2: there was Judge Wilkin who met and had a hearing.
Speaker 2: It's not decided as a yet. We're gonna get into
Speaker 2: those details in the moment, But first we got to
Speaker 2: talk about women's basketball. Girl Julia are y'all. She represented
Speaker 2: mister save women's basketball one last time over the weekend
Speaker 2: at the Lily Women's College All Star Game.
Speaker 1: This is your girl.
Speaker 2: Give me that ship, Give me that ship. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it's her last hurrah right there. Like to see that
Speaker 2: out of her. Also, let's not forget high honor for
Speaker 2: Michigan States. Skyla Shelty, Jim Nassis, and Jalen Thompson football
Speaker 2: had been named MSU's nominees for the inaugural Big Ten
Speaker 2: Jackie Robinson and Impact Award, the conference announced on Monday.
Speaker 2: The Big Ten Jackie Robinson Community and Impact Award was
Speaker 2: established this year to recognize student athletes at Big Ten
Speaker 2: institutions who strive to have a positive impact not only
Speaker 2: in they're chosen sport, but also within their community. So
Speaker 2: best of luck to both of those great representatives of
Speaker 2: Michigan State, the Green and White Skyla Schelte and Jalen Thompson.
Speaker 2: So that's a big deal. That's a big deal right there.
Speaker 2: So we want to give them kudos and props for that.
Speaker 2: Let's see if they can pull that one home and
Speaker 2: win it and s where we got to get Listen,
Speaker 2: we got to get to our special guest right here.
Speaker 2: The first we got to talk about making your nil
Speaker 2: gift charitable with Charitable Gift America, MSU's Baseball's dominant left
Speaker 2: hand pitcher, Joseph Zeroa is giving back to the community
Speaker 2: once again through his partnership with Charitable Gift America, MSU's
Speaker 2: original and most trusted nil fund. MSU Baseball selected six
Speaker 2: year old Luca Wright to join the team as their
Speaker 2: top recruit for the season. Luca is currently taking on
Speaker 2: leukemia and he needs the support of our Spartan community.
Speaker 2: For every strikeout that Zero collects this season, he's in
Speaker 2: the top ten nationwide. He'll be making a donation to
Speaker 2: the looking for Luca fun Step up to the plate
Speaker 2: for your fellow Spartan today at CGA Athletics dot or soever.
Speaker 2: Like what you heard so far, please hit that like
Speaker 2: and subscribe. See the viewers coming in here right now.
Speaker 2: It's and look, we got people arguing about who's gonna
Speaker 2: pay for what. Duke's roster has a lot of bully
Speaker 2: ball going out there as far as nil especially a
Speaker 2: basketball talk. Right now, we got to get into what
Speaker 2: Mischigan State spring football is look like. And the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: That's something we haven't been able to cover. Pro Day
Speaker 2: was at MSU just a few weeks ago. We got
Speaker 2: to cover a little bit of that. And we're going
Speaker 2: to bring on our special guests after these message from
Speaker 2: our friends over at I Hop.
Speaker 5: Six dollars never tasted so good. I Hop's breakfast Shaves
Speaker 5: Combo is now just six dollars, featuring I hops world
Speaker 5: famous buttermilk pancakes, krispy hickory smoke bacon, and two eggs
Speaker 5: cooked to order your way, all for just six bucks,
Speaker 5: part of the new six dollars house Swaves menu.
Speaker 1: All Right, I how Woody, how Hawaii?
Speaker 2: Checking in? That just showed up on my computer. Mercy,
Speaker 2: hey Woody, Amen, you know we're here for you, buddy,
Speaker 2: We are here for you.
Speaker 3: What is living the life? Brother?
Speaker 2: People need to follow him if they don't know now
Speaker 2: you know I'm gonna tell you right now. Listen, right now, swerve.
Speaker 2: It is time to bring on our special guests. A
Speaker 2: native of Lancing, Michigan, a graduate of Eastern High School
Speaker 2: locally in Lancing, went on to play football at the
Speaker 2: University of Note. Youre dame and now it's a certified
Speaker 2: NFL agent for probably the finest NFL agency in the
Speaker 2: land athletes. First, let's bring on the one, the only
Speaker 2: Travis Allen who joins. This is spartan Travis show, What's up?
Speaker 3: Holdlo on straight that picture? If you go back with
Speaker 3: the guy they had on the Michigan State Trapp didn't
Speaker 3: have on Michigan State, did it. I hope he didn't. No, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: please please don't travel. I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 3: to have to have no problems. Brother.
Speaker 6: Like I said, I grew up a party you know,
Speaker 6: grew up a die hard. But I had to switch
Speaker 6: it up. That was what Joe ferguson. So Joe's a
Speaker 6: good family friend. Uh So I sent that over to Jason.
Speaker 6: I know it's spartan podcast, so I had to show
Speaker 6: a little bit of love.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you didn't have on the Spartan Chirt.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, man, Hey man, we appreciate you taking
Speaker 2: the time. And I know you out on the West
Speaker 2: coast right now, it's barely rushed out out there in California.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, early out here wrapping up work. So I'm
Speaker 6: definitely definitely glad to jump on. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Guys absolutely, man.
Speaker 2: So talk about a little bit like your day, like
Speaker 2: what do you do now as an agent for the.
Speaker 7: Yeah players, Every day is different.
Speaker 6: I always tell people, you know, this part of the year,
Speaker 6: you know, our guys are getting ready to get back,
Speaker 6: you know, into Ota. Some of our guys that you know,
Speaker 6: coming into new coaching staffs are able to report early.
Speaker 6: Then we'll have a few guys heading here in a
Speaker 6: few weeks. But basically just wrapped up prode's for our rookies.
Speaker 6: They were out here in Orange County and a couple
Speaker 6: other locations around the country just training for the combine,
Speaker 6: training for Pro Day. You know, now they're on their
Speaker 6: top thirty visits. Basically teams can bring in thirty players
Speaker 6: that they select to bring in for additional visits. So
Speaker 6: you know, guys are going around doing that. These next
Speaker 6: couple of weeks and then from there is draft time.
Speaker 6: So for us, obviously, you know, scheduling, scheduling visits, getting
Speaker 6: guys where they need to be, you know, helping our
Speaker 6: guys that are transitioning back into to their their pro workouts,
Speaker 6: and then the recruiting.
Speaker 7: That stuff never ends.
Speaker 6: So we're doing you know, uh n il for guys,
Speaker 6: helping with collectives, especially as this this portal is about
Speaker 6: to open and you know, working on recruit for next year.
Speaker 7: You know, it never ends.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean you talked about a lot of things right
Speaker 2: there when you talked about the NFL process. But when
Speaker 2: you want to recruit players, it used to be when
Speaker 2: Swerve and I played man, we would hear from agents
Speaker 2: probably in your your junior year of college, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes not till your senior year whenever you were making
Speaker 2: noise and being draft becoming draft eligible. But now with
Speaker 2: the event of the n i L in a transfer portal,
Speaker 2: era a lot of agencies and I mean you you
Speaker 2: guys are there's there's nobody bigger and better with the
Speaker 2: kind of players that you guys have at the NFL
Speaker 2: level and coaches as well. You guys are now representing
Speaker 2: college athletes. If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so ever since it was different. Even when
Speaker 6: I joined Athletes first, there was no an il. This
Speaker 6: is you know, two or twenty twenty one, so it's
Speaker 6: only a couple of years old now, but you know,
Speaker 6: starting to talk to guys at you know, high school
Speaker 6: early into college, you know, going into their freshman year,
Speaker 6: whether that's helping do their collective deal or you know,
Speaker 6: working on brand partnerships for these guys, and then in
Speaker 6: high school too, kind of guiding them be more of
Speaker 6: an advisor, right like this is this is new to
Speaker 6: their families.
Speaker 7: It's new to to them of what to expect, you.
Speaker 6: Know, as they're you know, navigating different visits and you know,
Speaker 6: having these conversations with with the people at the school.
Speaker 6: It's good to have a resource that has been through it,
Speaker 6: has dealt with a lot of the top players, has
Speaker 6: dealt with a lot of these top universities, just kind
Speaker 6: of giving these guys, you know a little more guidance
Speaker 6: going through it so they're not being taken advantage of.
Speaker 7: We've seen that in our space.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately with you know, people charging players twenty twenty five
Speaker 6: are sent to work for him and at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, really not do a whole lot if
Speaker 6: there's going into a school and okay, hey here's the
Speaker 6: offer and we're going to take twenty percent off the
Speaker 6: top because you know, we're the one to bring it
Speaker 6: to the to the student.
Speaker 7: You know, to us, it just it's not right.
Speaker 6: And for us, it's more about representing these guys at
Speaker 6: the NFL level, So as much as we can work
Speaker 6: for them at the high school college level, kind of
Speaker 6: show what we're about, show how we do business. You
Speaker 6: have that time to build a relationship. You know that
Speaker 6: that's where we see the value. You know, we're not
Speaker 6: looking to get rich on nil or colective space and
Speaker 6: we're an NFL agency, but we do think it's important
Speaker 6: to provide these kids and families with the right right resources,
Speaker 6: surround them with the right people.
Speaker 1: Man. I mean he talking about you know, Swerve is
Speaker 1: a guy.
Speaker 2: You know, his son's got every offer known to mankind
Speaker 2: and you know he has a Mottol one dollar mode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talking to Day, it's like like what do you
Speaker 1: what are you working with you? What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you tell him when he's looking at you know,
Speaker 2: his son trying to make a decision on where to
Speaker 2: go to school.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's actually funny. I didn't know you were with
Speaker 6: We're all I actually just talked to Hose day to day.
Speaker 7: Stay tuned. I think we're working together real soon. Here.
Speaker 6: I can't let it out too much, but uh yeah,
Speaker 6: like like that, you know, talking to someone like him
Speaker 6: who has you know, e seled on seventeen and you
Speaker 6: know a lot of these kids, and he's like, look,
Speaker 6: I'm seeing my kids getting take advantage of or you know,
Speaker 6: I'm trying to protect them and surround them with the
Speaker 6: right people.
Speaker 7: So, you know, finding partnerships like that.
Speaker 6: But for us, same thing maximizing dollars, you know, and
Speaker 6: we tell our guys at the NFL level too, when
Speaker 6: you're doing your second contract, this could be it. So
Speaker 6: we're never going to take a deal that we feel
Speaker 6: is below your market value or you know, the guaranteed
Speaker 6: structures not there, the language of the contracts not there,
Speaker 6: and you know, at the end of the day, the
Speaker 6: dollar figure is not there. You know, you can a
Speaker 6: lot of different things you can do that teams can do. Right,
Speaker 6: maybe it's a backloaded contract with now you're making the
Speaker 6: headlines because you got a highest.
Speaker 7: Paid you know, average per year deal.
Speaker 6: But if you really peel it back and look at
Speaker 6: you know, what's your guaranteed h pay, what's what's the
Speaker 6: cash flow? How much money you getting up front that
Speaker 6: you can take and invest. You know, we look at
Speaker 6: all those things. So we're never going to do the
Speaker 6: deal that makes us look good. It's gonna be the
Speaker 6: deal that's right for the player. You know, if if
Speaker 6: you owe us one of my colleagues say, if you
Speaker 6: if you owe us ten, we're getting ten. We're gonna
Speaker 6: go for eleven, but we're getting ten. We're not taking
Speaker 6: nine ninety nine. So yeah, yeah, So I've heard him
Speaker 6: say that a number of times. And trust when you
Speaker 6: see all the deals he does is and we do
Speaker 6: here athletes first, we follow that model.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just said a whole lot right there. Man,
Speaker 2: you said you could talk to the whole say over
Speaker 2: there about uh the.
Speaker 1: Wrow So that's not that's high school level. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I mean, uh, basically, you know, he's like, look,
Speaker 6: I got guys that in college, are you ready to
Speaker 6: hit the portal? Or guys that are upcoming in this
Speaker 6: next high school cycle and just want them to have
Speaker 6: you know, be surrounded by people have done it, people
Speaker 6: have done it at a high level, people that we
Speaker 6: respect and trust, and these families can respect and trust.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, like you said, it's it's a high
Speaker 6: school level.
Speaker 7: It's early.
Speaker 6: Uh, it's it's a it's a whole different world than
Speaker 6: it was a couple of years ago. But we know
Speaker 6: it's important, it's important to build these relationships at a
Speaker 6: young age. And we know, on the other than, what
Speaker 6: could happen if you know, if you're not surrounded by
Speaker 6: the right people.
Speaker 7: We've we've seen it.
Speaker 6: We've gotten guys out of deals where they're paying an
Speaker 6: agent twenty five percent to do who knows what right.
Speaker 6: So for us, it's like you at least know you're
Speaker 6: getting top of level work and we're not going to
Speaker 6: charge you armored leg because that's again not a money
Speaker 6: maker us. We want these players to get situated, make
Speaker 6: money and makes as much money as they can in college,
Speaker 6: and then get ready for the next level.
Speaker 2: Man, swear, what do you think about that?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 7: We'll be talking about.
Speaker 1: The the silent to give them singals.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're on the same page, Grandpa.
Speaker 3: You say, what's understood, what's explained, what's understood, don't have
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 7: Explained exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: Can't take me, So so take me. I want to.
Speaker 3: I want to show the fans in there, and I
Speaker 3: don't say fans no more because we all family here.
Speaker 3: Take me, like, how do how do I become an agent?
Speaker 3: Like I was just in Nor the Dame playing football?
Speaker 3: What made me? What made trap to make that right
Speaker 3: to to being an agent? Like what was the thought process?
Speaker 3: And how did football go in Nor the day? You know,
Speaker 3: let us know your your career.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so getting in the agency space, I'll start there. Well,
Speaker 6: I'll go back to to Notre Dame. Yeah, I came
Speaker 6: out Lancey Eastern. You know, didn't have any any big
Speaker 6: time offers, you know some D two offers, talk to
Speaker 6: some heavy league schools and actually gotten the Notre Dame
Speaker 6: on an academic ride. And I know I.
Speaker 7: Knows my daddy. You know, if it was basically like that,
Speaker 7: that's where you're going.
Speaker 2: That's real.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so red nos is basically you know, you have
Speaker 6: opportunity to go to Notre Dame. Uh, get out of Lansing.
Speaker 6: You know, I know football is important, but you got
Speaker 6: to think longer than that. And you know, once I
Speaker 6: got there. I had the opportunity to walk on and
Speaker 6: walked on at Notre Dame. So that was a great experience,
Speaker 6: a lot different than when you know, you're in high school,
Speaker 6: you feel like you're the guy.
Speaker 7: You feel like you want to be that guy. But
Speaker 7: now it's a different role.
Speaker 6: But you learn to play your role and you know,
Speaker 6: do something for your brothers and for your school. And
Speaker 6: I mean to play high level division in football and
Speaker 6: Notre Dame for me was a dream, you know, like
Speaker 6: I always wanted to be a spartan.
Speaker 7: They didn't come come knocking or come calling, so you know,
Speaker 7: I had to go there.
Speaker 6: But it's a great experience and from that, honestly open
Speaker 6: doors to a couple of different roles. I was working
Speaker 6: in sales in Detroit for a company called ian J. Galla,
Speaker 6: which is a Notre Dame family owned company. You know,
Speaker 6: the Irish definitely take care of their own, which is
Speaker 6: which is huge. And I was coaching high school football
Speaker 6: brother Rice at the time, so staying around the game
Speaker 6: and just was missing it. Every day I was leaving
Speaker 6: work and I'm like excited to go to football. Wasn't
Speaker 6: excited to go back to work, you know, good job,
Speaker 6: good pay, all that stuff, but you know, it wasn't
Speaker 6: passionate about it. And Lucky, like I said, Notre Dame
Speaker 6: is a great alumni network, you know, people that really care.
Speaker 6: And made a couple of calls to some people in
Speaker 6: the football building. And if you know the name Reggie Brooks,
Speaker 6: you know, Reggie Brooks was you know, huge to me
Speaker 6: and just you know, someone I could talk to event
Speaker 6: you know, bounce ideas off of. And he was like, man,
Speaker 6: I think you should think about you know, the sports
Speaker 6: agency world. His business, his people is football, and he's like,
Speaker 6: I just I think you should, you know, think about
Speaker 6: it and let me know and I can try to
Speaker 6: make some calls And ended up taking an internship, quitting
Speaker 6: my job in twenty nineteen. I was twenty four years old,
Speaker 6: drove across country to California from who I was living
Speaker 6: in Detroit, took an internship, intern for about ten months,
Speaker 6: and then was brought on full time, so you know,
Speaker 6: did a little bit of everything in that internship, you know,
Speaker 6: then had to go get my master's degree while I
Speaker 6: was working there kind of as a football associate, and
Speaker 6: then became a certified agent.
Speaker 7: Towards the end of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6: So it's definitely been a journey, you know, from to
Speaker 6: be an agent, you know, you have to have a
Speaker 6: grad degree of some sort. You have to pass the
Speaker 6: NFLPA certification exam and then from there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's that's basically it. You're able to you.
Speaker 6: Know, recruit and sign players and basically got them through
Speaker 6: their career.
Speaker 1: Man, that's an interesting journey right there.
Speaker 2: And you talk about you your journey obviously a guy
Speaker 2: who had to go to class, not like everybody that's
Speaker 2: on this podcast.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying no names, but.
Speaker 2: Ivy League you turned them down, and you know, you
Speaker 2: have to go to Notre Dame on a full academic scholarship,
Speaker 2: and I think Notre Dame, you know you do have
Speaker 2: to go to class and get there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now seeing what you know now, looking at you know,
Speaker 2: you came into twenty twenty one, and how the landscape
Speaker 2: has changed in college athletics. You see now with the
Speaker 2: nil chance for portal and all these agents. You talked
Speaker 2: about agents gouging kids twenty five percent and whatnot. You know,
Speaker 2: we're going to get into the house settlement case. But
Speaker 2: should there be some kind of stipulation as to some
Speaker 2: with agents in the collegiate level, because in the NFL level,
Speaker 2: we know you have the past college you don't.
Speaker 7: Right right now, that's that's correct.
Speaker 6: And we saw a lot of people popping up as
Speaker 6: marketing agents and and uh, college agents when you know,
Speaker 6: as soon as and IL became a thing, and they
Speaker 6: may have not ever worked for an agency, they may
Speaker 6: have not even ever done marketing, but they saw this
Speaker 6: opportunity to you know, possibly make some money on on
Speaker 6: these kids who are doing brand deals or you know,
Speaker 6: sign with these schools. And you know, obviously it's concerning
Speaker 6: when you know, you hear a player like, oh, I'm.
Speaker 7: Paying an agent twenty twenty five percent and I really don't
Speaker 7: know what he does, you know.
Speaker 6: And we hooked up when I was this first started
Speaker 6: and it sounded good and he said he was a
Speaker 6: marketing agent and you know, said all the right things.
Speaker 6: But you know, we've seen those stories where you know,
Speaker 6: if they didn't really get.
Speaker 1: What they.
Speaker 6: I don't know how they do how they regulated at
Speaker 6: the collegiate level. I think the biggest thing that we've
Speaker 6: tried to do is is make these schools and make
Speaker 6: these gms.
Speaker 7: What's going on.
Speaker 6: If we're who says, man, I'm getting charged twenty percent,
Speaker 6: We're gonna tell the school like, hey, look, this is
Speaker 6: going on in your own program. I think you should
Speaker 6: be aware of it, and I think you should be,
Speaker 6: you know, speaking with your kids or bringing someone who can,
Speaker 6: not even from an athlete's first perspective, but just from an
Speaker 6: agent perspective in general, be able to talk what to
Speaker 6: look for, the dues and don'ts, how to vet agents,
Speaker 6: how to go through this process and make sure you're
Speaker 6: not being taken advantage of it, and the families as well.
Speaker 6: So again, I don't know how you regulate the college
Speaker 6: level and all these different people that are out there,
Speaker 6: but if you can at least educate them or educate
Speaker 6: the schools I think are doing a better job now
Speaker 6: of being aware of what's going on, that's at least
Speaker 6: a step forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely step in the right direction, because you know,
Speaker 2: we're seeing it a lot, you know, Cedric and the
Speaker 2: test of this, you know, having one son at Stanford
Speaker 2: and then another at IMG Academy right now, I've just
Speaker 2: had two at IMG, one at the school down the road,
Speaker 2: I know, Ship, I mean Notre Dame and Michigan State
Speaker 2: can't stand some bitches where were my son go to
Speaker 2: school at and where Cedric is gonna be this next weekend.
Speaker 2: But look, that's besides the point we're looking at. Like,
Speaker 2: so when you're when you're seeing all these people out
Speaker 2: here right now, and where are you seeing the most
Speaker 2: aggressive schools so to speak, you are communicating with general
Speaker 2: managers and coaching staffs and all around the country. What
Speaker 2: do you where do you see h Like, you know
Speaker 2: this is keep it up, keep it Where is the
Speaker 2: most I guess where are people putting their money where
Speaker 2: their mouth is.
Speaker 7: Just like when it was illegal.
Speaker 6: You know, SEC has a lot of money that they're
Speaker 6: you know, uh willing to build these rosters. But we
Speaker 6: I think the big name schools with the big time donors,
Speaker 6: Ohio State, Notre Dame stepped up. We see Texas interesting enough,
Speaker 6: Texas Tech, you know, like different schools that are there.
Speaker 6: People are coming bhind them like, look, we want to
Speaker 6: turn this thing around. So what do you guys need.
Speaker 6: I know it is a big thing out there with
Speaker 6: Ohio State, like all they built their roster, but I
Speaker 6: mean you could do it and they have they have
Speaker 6: the resources, so I know it's things will change with
Speaker 6: the you know, house settlement things coming like that, but
Speaker 6: I know collectors will still be there, still be around,
Speaker 6: and these big name programs will still be able to
Speaker 6: you know, attract the top talent.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. What do you think about that's word?
Speaker 3: I mean it paid off, you know. And he mentioned
Speaker 3: the name Ohio State, Ohio State twenty two million, and
Speaker 3: let's let's play what if you know we we keep
Speaker 3: it real on this shows Ohio State twenty two million,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five million, Michigan State three.
Speaker 1: D oh, no, man gonna come home, man, little more
Speaker 1: than that? What we wouldn't have seen?
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, just like what Tramp said, Bill your roster, right,
Speaker 3: they got they got players, They got a safety all
Speaker 3: American safety from Alabama that probably costs one between one
Speaker 3: five and two million, right, we got players from Joe Montana,
Speaker 3: Joe Montana University. No, I'm just saying, what if right track,
Speaker 3: we're talking about Bill Rota, Right, Hey, what's that.
Speaker 2: You're talking about? You're talking about Kaylea Downs from.
Speaker 3: Down the safety right who represents Kyle Downs?
Speaker 7: I'm not sure?
Speaker 3: Hmm okay, but whoever he went to Ohio State with
Speaker 3: add twenty five million. Right, if you look at the roster,
Speaker 3: trap just say, build your roster. We building out roster
Speaker 3: with a player from Joe Muntowner University.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: State.
Speaker 3: Oh my bad, I thought it was Joe.
Speaker 2: I never heard.
Speaker 3: So you're right, my my.
Speaker 7: There there's some good players from the schools, some sneaky players.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is, it is, it is.
Speaker 7: It is tough. It is tough.
Speaker 6: It's uh, could you see, like like you said, I mean,
Speaker 6: these these schools are just opening opening a bank account
Speaker 6: for these players. So yeah, it'll be interesting with you know,
Speaker 6: the settlement and the cap and all that.
Speaker 7: But again, you know collectives are going the way. It
Speaker 7: will kind of be like a supplement to that.
Speaker 2: Hey look, so swear you keep talking about guys like
Speaker 2: like you from the small schools. There's a school called
Speaker 2: Sacramento State and we have a player running back from
Speaker 2: there by the name Elijah tal Toller. We had them
Speaker 2: on the show. You remember him, Okay? You know also
Speaker 2: from the same school, right, remember you know Scataboo from
Speaker 2: Arizona State, like him? Was he?
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah?
Speaker 7: There, just gotta just gotta find.
Speaker 8: Them catib was all so no, no, no, don't run,
Speaker 8: don't run all them ask you now waiting Gallabou, Scalli
Speaker 8: Boo Boo Bobo ran pretty hard, made some plays.
Speaker 3: You know, grid offense, you know good quarterback, you know
Speaker 3: played they played well. So you're trying to say the
Speaker 3: running back that we have now from Sacramento University, State
Speaker 3: of h S b c U. Man, okay, sick, my bad.
Speaker 3: I thought it was extra stuff. So he's gonna run
Speaker 3: like Scotti Boo Bobo saying if you don't when we
Speaker 3: come back on the show, just listen.
Speaker 2: I was at practice. I did not see that much.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that. I didn see him. He got
Speaker 2: some speed on him though, you know, you know Scatablu
Speaker 2: Scotti had a little mike allstarted it. Man, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's a little different, little.
Speaker 1: Faster than all. You know for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's like a Day two type of player, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he could. I mean he could fall in that
Speaker 7: late day too early day three. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 7: the heck of a player.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: I know he had their program. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 7: can't remember how he tested, but from what he did,
Speaker 7: you know, towards the end of the season. I know
Speaker 7: he caught.
Speaker 6: Some some people's eyes. So and the running back is
Speaker 6: is it's coming back.
Speaker 3: So now try let me ask you this, and it's
Speaker 3: funny we have you on the show today. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: let the cat that bag of the cat that had
Speaker 3: have it as saying that Lewis should go listen to this,
Speaker 3: and I think it could happen. What you think should
Speaker 3: door Sanders? Right, I saw something where he could fall
Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh at twenty. And I always think it could
Speaker 3: happen because you think of the Randy More losses of
Speaker 3: the draft, and you know, you don't know if people
Speaker 3: want to just say, you know what, middle finger to Dion.
Speaker 3: But I saw a draft and I looked at the
Speaker 3: draft play team by team, I'm like, damn that that
Speaker 3: really could happen. If if Giants taken the guy from
Speaker 3: Penn State, nobody else need a quarterback.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, we still tell our guys. At this point,
Speaker 6: nothing said, right, it's gonna change now. Teams are finally
Speaker 6: the protest over there, getting the rooms set up their boards,
Speaker 6: you know, starting to figure out who they want. And
Speaker 6: he saw it with the quarterback class a couple of
Speaker 6: years ago where they thought, you know, Malik Willis and
Speaker 6: Kenny Pickett and uh mac corrall, they'd all be first
Speaker 6: round picks and only one of them win the first round.
Speaker 6: He went to Pittsburgh as well, So anything can happened
Speaker 6: on that draft day, and one pick can you know,
Speaker 6: throw off a number of other picks.
Speaker 7: So again, possible, very possible.
Speaker 6: He's a good player for sure, But like you said,
Speaker 6: if there's teams out there that don't don't need a
Speaker 6: quarterback or they think he'll be around later, you know
Speaker 6: they're gonna hang tight.
Speaker 3: So that not throwing the at the comforts thing in
Speaker 3: the in the in the in the come by, do that?
Speaker 3: Do that? Do that hurt a person like that? No?
Speaker 7: I mean he was able to do everything at pro Day,
Speaker 7: which I think is fine.
Speaker 6: Obviously they had a big turnout at prode with him
Speaker 6: and Travis Hunter, and you know obviously all thirty two
Speaker 6: teams coming to see those guys.
Speaker 7: Soud. I don't think that that hurt him.
Speaker 2: But you know, to that point, I think there's no
Speaker 2: way in hell Shadua Sanders is going to fall that
Speaker 2: far in the draft. For a couple of reasons. The
Speaker 2: main reason is he's a quarterback in the league where
Speaker 2: they're paying quarterbacks over fifty million dollars now, so if
Speaker 2: he happens to be okay, then you have a hell
Speaker 2: of a discount for a few years taking him in
Speaker 2: an Olympic. And also, i mean, hell, the intrinsic value
Speaker 2: of being a damn Sanders. Okay, you got a star value,
Speaker 2: star power, Jersey sales, filling up the stadium, and that's
Speaker 2: what owners like to do. Brother, So I don't see
Speaker 2: that ever being a possibility for him to fall that
Speaker 2: low because of the those things specifically with us your door.
Speaker 2: But to your point when you said, you know you
Speaker 2: have guys like him that are you know, that are
Speaker 2: able to do the pro day and throwing, like that's
Speaker 2: something that's sad brought up. If you don't throw. I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of guys, you know, and this is
Speaker 2: speaking to the value of having great representation that decide
Speaker 2: to do things that they're not good at. And with hell,
Speaker 2: there's no way you don't know, Like I've seen guys
Speaker 2: that go and run very slow times and then and
Speaker 2: they if they didn't run, the discount of value based
Speaker 2: off of that, he didn't compete versus showing everybody that
Speaker 2: you slow as hell, slow as a mother.
Speaker 1: You know, like you it's poor management, Am I wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, I think you're right. I think you know.
Speaker 6: Everything needs to be thought about, everything needs to be calculated.
Speaker 6: And again, if you know someone's not where they need
Speaker 6: to be to go put them on uh front stage
Speaker 6: and show the world that, hey, this is if a
Speaker 6: team thinks you're slow or or you know, even thinks
Speaker 6: you're a little bit faster than you are, you.
Speaker 7: You're cool with that.
Speaker 6: Let's you know, let them think that you don't want
Speaker 6: to go run slower than what they think you are, right,
Speaker 6: that's just going to hurt you. And you know, so
Speaker 6: if you can, if you come up with a tweet cammy,
Speaker 6: whatever it is leading up to the combine, you know
Speaker 6: we're going to do everything or save it till pro
Speaker 6: thea give them some more time to train and give
Speaker 6: us more time to get ready. A lot of these
Speaker 6: guys play long seasons and maybe they were they were
Speaker 6: dinged up, but to throw somebody out there to be like, okay,
Speaker 6: well we just want to check every box and do
Speaker 6: every event or a drill at the combine when they're
Speaker 6: not ready. I think, yeah, like you said, that's that's
Speaker 6: a poor Managers should be case by case and knowing
Speaker 6: your client and where they're at, and also knowing having
Speaker 6: the relationships with the teams, with the gms, with the
Speaker 6: coaches to really get feedback on each of your guys
Speaker 6: and know, like, all right, what do teams really think
Speaker 6: of them? What do teams want to see? You know,
Speaker 6: in what boxes do they need to check? Because if
Speaker 6: you know there's something we could push to PROTI we're
Speaker 6: gonna do that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: If they need to answer questions that are more film
Speaker 7: or interview prep, like, we're going to focus on that.
Speaker 6: So you know, having real information on your guys is
Speaker 6: important too, and just really doing that that groundwork in
Speaker 6: the background. I think that's the bigger, biggest part of
Speaker 6: our job, right, you know, not sign a guy and
Speaker 6: all right, well good luck at comin. We'll see you
Speaker 6: after training and you know, we'll see you at the draft.
Speaker 6: It's like, all right, what homework are you doing for
Speaker 6: your guys every day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and not to throw any spartans under
Speaker 2: the bus, anybody anybody knows and loves really closely here
Speaker 2: under the bus. But I'll bring up a guy and
Speaker 2: said that you know this guy pretty well, right because
Speaker 2: he played at the U. You know, Restrecto, a guy
Speaker 2: who ends up being the leading all time receiver in
Speaker 2: Miami history, goes out and runs a four eight three,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know when you see something like that,
Speaker 2: that a guy that could have probably potentially snuck into
Speaker 2: the first round. You tell me you study the all
Speaker 2: the time trap. Is this a situation where he may
Speaker 2: have really hurt himself by running. If he would have
Speaker 2: not ran, could have could have helped himself a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that one's tough because I even saw, you know,
Speaker 6: a tweet from him after which you never really know,
Speaker 6: but where he said he tweaked something and wanted to
Speaker 6: still fight through it and run. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: you don't know, right, but now you've already put that
Speaker 6: time out there and that's what it is. So you know,
Speaker 6: is a team gonna be like, okay, oh he was hurt.
Speaker 6: They well, this is what we this is what we
Speaker 6: got on record now. So I think it's one of
Speaker 6: those ones where again like I'm just gonna do receiver drills, right,
Speaker 6: I think I'm I'm I'm grading and out of my routes.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm I catch the ball.
Speaker 6: Well, whatever it is that is his skill set, let's
Speaker 6: just go magnify that versus now you have a kind
Speaker 6: of a negative mark on your uh you know, draft card.
Speaker 3: He would have played like that, right, even if he
Speaker 3: do run a ford now, because I think the ford
Speaker 3: is just bullshit. You gotta think if he if he
Speaker 3: if he's that slow, what that say about to the
Speaker 3: dbs that he played against because he was always open?
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: So it's like.
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying. Then you get the receivers
Speaker 3: that ran four to three but didn't have the production
Speaker 3: that he had. So you know, if Bill Belichick was
Speaker 3: still here, he was going to the Patriots regardless.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I think I think that's why, you know,
Speaker 6: we don't put too much weight into.
Speaker 1: The four.
Speaker 6: Right, it's important, you know, but at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, like who are you as a football player?
Speaker 7: What's your tape?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: And if if teams have questioning your speed and we
Speaker 6: can check that box, that's great, right, it's not gonna
Speaker 6: help you. But you know, who are you on the
Speaker 6: field I think is the biggest chunk that goes into
Speaker 6: this this process. But then testing is important, right for
Speaker 6: for whatever reason is it is important to these teams
Speaker 6: the interview prep process, the board work, and you know
Speaker 6: what you got up here that's important too, So is
Speaker 6: a combination. At the end of the day, Like I think,
Speaker 6: the majority is always going to be what you've done
Speaker 6: on the field and what's what you have on tape.
Speaker 2: You know, speaking of tape and getting back to the
Speaker 2: Michigan State side of things, only one player that was
Speaker 2: invited to the combine, asked Jonathan.
Speaker 1: Kim, the kicker.
Speaker 2: But the pro day went on back in March. I
Speaker 2: think it was like mid March, March or twelfth. A
Speaker 2: lot of players were there, a lot of scouts were
Speaker 2: in town. I believe all the schools were represented, all
Speaker 2: the teams represented. Excuse me, but you know Nate Carter
Speaker 2: running back. You know it's a guy from western New York,
Speaker 2: came in. But he posted ridiculous numbers as a running
Speaker 2: back running in the four to three level, and I
Speaker 2: think he put up I think what twenty five reps
Speaker 2: on the two twenty five ye or the high thirties
Speaker 2: in the vertical. I mean, he just had a monster day. Now,
Speaker 2: as you talked about a minute ago, running backs are
Speaker 2: making a comeback because I think of what say Quad
Speaker 2: did and Philly. Yeah, yes, So what do you think
Speaker 2: a guy like that his chance? And you know where
Speaker 2: do you think he goes in this in this upcoming draft?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 6: I mean it could be could be a late pick,
Speaker 6: late round pick, you know, especially a guy that has
Speaker 6: shown athletic ability. You know, whether that's come in as
Speaker 6: a uh, you know, reserved guy or a teamer to
Speaker 6: try to make the roster or prefer free agent if
Speaker 6: he doesn't make it. But like I said, when you
Speaker 6: you post numbers like that, you're gonna you don't catch
Speaker 6: the attention of guys, even if it's not to come
Speaker 6: in and be you know RB one or two or
Speaker 6: you know super highl in depth chart. But it could
Speaker 6: be used for your own special teams, you know, across
Speaker 6: the board for many teams.
Speaker 7: So that's a tough point.
Speaker 6: The running back position itself is tough, and this is
Speaker 6: a very very deep, you know, running back class. But
Speaker 6: there's there's no reason a team might not take him
Speaker 6: as a late pick or at least a preferred free agent.
Speaker 2: You know, I know it hurts said. It's hard to
Speaker 2: hear how the running back position has been the valued
Speaker 2: as much as it has been, Like, what do you
Speaker 2: think it's wherever?
Speaker 1: It's far?
Speaker 3: His performance at Pro Day for Nate Carter. See, that's
Speaker 3: like the opposite of what we talk about. The receiver
Speaker 3: from um you know what I mean, didn't test well?
Speaker 3: Were put on the tape. This kid tests great, but
Speaker 3: the film.
Speaker 7: Was ah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because if you really think about it, the other running
Speaker 3: back kind of out played them. You understand what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: But now you also got to understand these comebine. You
Speaker 3: get guys that can test well, you know, that can
Speaker 3: test well, but can't play how they.
Speaker 2: Test If that draft is so high, talk about that, Like,
Speaker 2: what's the reason that the test they always will override
Speaker 2: film for testing?
Speaker 1: Seems to be.
Speaker 3: Because you gotta think everybody want to talk about Everybody
Speaker 3: talks about the forty. Now you get guys. They got
Speaker 3: a guy that was I don't know, was playing in
Speaker 3: Black college football or something, come out runner four to
Speaker 3: nine or something, either this draft or last draft or
Speaker 3: something like that. Ooh too. But guess what, he couldn't
Speaker 3: even start on his high school football team. But he
Speaker 3: was a track guy, duh, but put him on the
Speaker 3: football field, you know what I'm saying. So it just
Speaker 3: it's just like that some of these guys that look
Speaker 3: at the forty because it's just whatever that became in
Speaker 3: the NFL. But that don't mean you can put you
Speaker 3: a great football player, you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 3: look at a guy like Michael Irvan probably ran four six.
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: I mean, we can name names all the time, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, but it just, you know, I
Speaker 3: just I'm just not a big forty guy. I'm not
Speaker 3: a I'm put on the feelm Let's play football, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? That just think that's the key.
Speaker 3: But you know it just broad like do you really
Speaker 3: do a broad jump in a fucking football game? Oh
Speaker 3: that's that's his burst? Play football?
Speaker 7: Yeah, article jump?
Speaker 3: Why the fuck, old lineman do burder? I mean, come on,
Speaker 3: don why are we doing Burke? Come on?
Speaker 7: No, it's it's it's crazy. I mean we've even talked
Speaker 7: about things like why don't we have just.
Speaker 6: Our you know, O line or D line running ten
Speaker 6: or run a twenty get a good tense time on
Speaker 6: them and there why you have to run a forty.
Speaker 7: You're never gonna run a forty.
Speaker 6: Right, So we're we're in the same boat where like
Speaker 6: we feel like they have our guys doing necessary unnecessary things.
Speaker 7: That's what we said, Like we we.
Speaker 6: Know it's important, right, We're gonna put as much behind
Speaker 6: him in training and get him ready.
Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, man put on
Speaker 7: the tape.
Speaker 3: You know, for example, the kid from the Giants, right
Speaker 3: he I mean, not the Giants, the kid from Penn State.
Speaker 3: No combine, I don't think, no pro date, right because
Speaker 3: it's just food or something like that.
Speaker 7: Yep, put on this tate.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be a top five big for sure. No combine,
Speaker 3: no pro day, talk about big why the biggest film?
Speaker 7: Dumb?
Speaker 3: So rest bro Rich, bro whatever his name is, like
Speaker 3: gate that moiev No put on the tape. Me mind said,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do to me? I'll be in
Speaker 3: Miami two weeks.
Speaker 2: So listen, Travis, You guys over at athlete sorts do
Speaker 2: represent a lot of coaches, a lot of general managers
Speaker 2: in the NFL level. Right, and then so when you
Speaker 2: look at these decisions that are made based on numbers,
Speaker 2: versus the film.
Speaker 1: Is there in your opinion?
Speaker 2: Is there fear amongst the coaching, the people who evaluate
Speaker 2: saying that, listen, if I if I, if I ride
Speaker 2: for a guy, if I stand on the table is
Speaker 2: what they call it, stand on the table for a
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't have measurables in the combine and all
Speaker 2: that shit that swerves talking about, then I might lose
Speaker 2: my job. I got to put a for sale sign
Speaker 2: in my yard. But if I go with the guy
Speaker 2: who has all the measurables and his tape might be
Speaker 2: a little shaky, then I can at least say, hey, look,
Speaker 2: you know, based on fifty years of metrics, you know
Speaker 2: this is the educated decision that I chose, and they
Speaker 2: keep their job.
Speaker 1: Is that? Do you see that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean at the end the day, if you make
Speaker 6: too many wrote those wrong picks and are winning, you're
Speaker 6: gonna lose your job either way.
Speaker 7: But when you.
Speaker 6: Know, I talk to friends who are scouts, is like, look,
Speaker 6: you better have done a lot of homework and done
Speaker 6: your research, and you know, like you said, be able
Speaker 6: to stand on the table for a guy and justify
Speaker 6: or pick whichever way it is. And you know, I
Speaker 6: think the more information, and that's what at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, this is testing the numbers, the measurables.
Speaker 6: It's just more information for them. So yeah, it gives
Speaker 6: them a little bit more ammo to stand on the
Speaker 6: table and and uh, you know, make a decision for
Speaker 6: a guy versus all right, well we kind of got
Speaker 6: this unknown. But again, if the film is the film
Speaker 6: is just off the charts, you go in there, you
Speaker 6: do the character background checks. You know, he's a good guy.
Speaker 6: You're talking to the you know, people in the building
Speaker 6: at at his college, like you feel good about making
Speaker 6: those picks. And the new thing too, about with all
Speaker 6: this technology. I mean, we talked to a number of
Speaker 6: teams and the pros that are like, look, we put
Speaker 6: the GPS on these guys.
Speaker 7: We have zero concern about his speed. You know, we
Speaker 7: don't really need a forty, right, we.
Speaker 6: Haven't met twenty twenty one miles per hour on the field,
Speaker 6: you know, why do we need to see him run
Speaker 6: straight line forty? So there are some teams that are
Speaker 6: a little more advanced, I think, and there are the you know,
Speaker 6: some of the old school guys that I want to
Speaker 6: see them line up and you know, we call it
Speaker 6: the underwear Olympics. Why is this such a big deal.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but it is. And you know, I
Speaker 6: get this more information. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: like who can play ball? And if you're able to
Speaker 6: now track this this GPS and how guys fly around
Speaker 6: the field, you know that can do the same thing.
Speaker 6: And like like said, say, we see guys that don't
Speaker 6: run the best times. But hell of NFL player, right,
Speaker 6: they know how to play ball. They're instinctual, they're they're smart,
Speaker 6: they know how to get open or whatever it is.
Speaker 6: They you know, how to read the offense of their
Speaker 6: defensive guy. Like that's just one thing. And I don't
Speaker 6: think you know, a lot of these teams will risk,
Speaker 6: you know, making the draft from the gout just for
Speaker 6: the forty. But you start to see him reach, right,
Speaker 6: you know, we have players that run a four to
Speaker 6: two as wide receiver, Like all right, well.
Speaker 7: We think we can do something with this. It doesn't
Speaker 7: always pan out, right.
Speaker 2: You know, you brought up background and character checks without
Speaker 2: like putting anybody's name out there. What's some of the
Speaker 2: crazy stuff that you've heard that uh from a character
Speaker 2: background check from the NFL level that may have hurt
Speaker 2: someone's stock.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, we we've there's a little bit of everything,
Speaker 6: and it's it's tough, but like you know, background just
Speaker 6: whether it's how was he in the building, was he
Speaker 6: did he go to class, did he go to you know,
Speaker 6: was he doing the extra work in film? I'm trying
Speaker 6: to think if I've heard a crazy one. I mean,
Speaker 6: there's some guys that you know, go home and act
Speaker 6: the fool, and the schools kind of cover it up
Speaker 6: when they come back. But teams find out all this stuff.
Speaker 6: Teams are talking to your high school coach. Teams are
Speaker 6: you know, hearing about what you're doing when you go
Speaker 6: home on on on a break or winter break or
Speaker 6: whatever it is. And so we've heard some stuff where
Speaker 6: I won't say too much for guys, guys get away
Speaker 6: from the school and it's it's not you know, it's
Speaker 6: not good. So we try to do the same thing
Speaker 6: and gather as much information as we can, you know,
Speaker 6: before we recruit a guy, because at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, you know, if you're dealing with a guy
Speaker 6: that's got a ton of red flags, he's not gonna
Speaker 6: last very long in the league.
Speaker 7: Anyways.
Speaker 2: One of the league, the League does hire private investigators.
Speaker 2: Let's put that out there for people, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they they they will find out everything We tell
Speaker 6: our guys that don't don't lie, don't like, they will
Speaker 6: find out everything about you anything.
Speaker 3: Say that because when I was going through that process, man,
Speaker 3: they sent something to my middle school. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: was like, man, I think I have my teacher's dead man,
Speaker 3: what do you see? But yeah, going through that process,
Speaker 3: I think in middle school or elementary or something like that,
Speaker 3: person told me, hey, man, I got a questionnaire on
Speaker 3: you whenever when he was going to the drafts. Say wow. Yeah,
Speaker 3: even when I was coaching high school football, I ended
Speaker 3: up getting a questionnaire where I had a kid they
Speaker 3: end up playing for the Falcons and uh team something
Speaker 3: me a question there on. Yes, of course I lied,
Speaker 3: But you know, it works out.
Speaker 6: That we try to get as much in too, so
Speaker 6: just so when we do our interview prep for our
Speaker 6: guys and get them ready to go sit in those
Speaker 6: rooms with the gms and head coaches.
Speaker 7: They want to know kind of.
Speaker 6: What to expect, how's it going to be, so it's
Speaker 6: not their first time, but at the same time letting
Speaker 6: them know, like, look, they know what's up. You know,
Speaker 6: if we know something about you, we're going to prep
Speaker 6: you on you know, how to answer it and how
Speaker 6: to address it. But don't go in the room line
Speaker 6: because if they know, you know, they're going to ask
Speaker 6: you for a reason and they already know the answer
Speaker 6: to it. But we've heard, you know, guys going there
Speaker 6: and lie or deny certain things and they're like, look,
Speaker 6: we heard from his head.
Speaker 7: Coach what happens, So not a good looks. Just go
Speaker 7: in and on it. But getting these guys prepared for
Speaker 7: an interview process is.
Speaker 1: Huge, right.
Speaker 2: Mentor once told me he said, the problems don't hurt you,
Speaker 2: surprises will. So yeah, I need to get out in
Speaker 2: front of those things in order to have a successful
Speaker 2: process in the draft. And there's one question here Montory scene.
Speaker 2: Is there a spot for the dedicated athletic, good character, hunger,
Speaker 2: humble type of player?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 6: I think when we get to deal with players like that,
Speaker 6: those are the best kind, you know, like ready to
Speaker 6: come in work and teams love that too the year
Speaker 6: all the time?
Speaker 7: Is here is he a guy who loves ball?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Is he gonna come in and study and work and
Speaker 6: bust his ass? And we don't have to worry about
Speaker 6: anything off the field. And you know, those guys are
Speaker 6: always I think gonna gonna rise, especially especially they got
Speaker 6: the talent, right, Like, if everyth all else equal, the
Speaker 6: guys are going to take the one who they know
Speaker 6: is not going to be in the issues versus Okay,
Speaker 6: we might have some issues in red flags and he
Speaker 6: might be off our roster in a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's serious stuff, man.
Speaker 1: You know, we pivoting a little bit.
Speaker 2: I know we haven't had time time to really cover this,
Speaker 2: but the household in the case. They did have the
Speaker 2: hearing yesterday and a lot of things were covered up
Speaker 2: on the top of mind. Some of the big topics
Speaker 2: were roster limits. You know, you've been hearing a lot
Speaker 2: about capping the roster limbs. But Judge Wilkins said that
Speaker 2: you know that she wasn't really too hot on that.
Speaker 2: She didn't like the fact that the roster limits were there,
Speaker 2: especially abruptly, that they may need the grandfather of those things.
Speaker 2: You know, what is your take on what you saw yesterday?
Speaker 2: And I know you have a full firm and everybody
Speaker 2: I legal department and all that.
Speaker 7: So tell us what you think yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, I know there's a couple uh, you know,
Speaker 6: minor changes and things that they're they're going to be
Speaker 6: working through and filing, and then you know, we we
Speaker 6: still do expect this to be passed within you know,
Speaker 6: the next month or so. That'll that will kind of
Speaker 6: change the landscape of how these players get paid in
Speaker 6: that model, you know, and even talking on the roster
Speaker 6: limits and some of the details like you know, as
Speaker 6: a walk on and you know, seeing what kind of
Speaker 6: uh impact walk ons and you know, people can have
Speaker 6: on a team. It's it is crazy to just eliminate
Speaker 6: that and take that away, right. You know, a lot
Speaker 6: of these guys are our you know, scout team or
Speaker 6: or have been in the system and can you know,
Speaker 6: kind of helped the starters or or these young guys
Speaker 6: come up. So to cut that, you know, abruptly, like
Speaker 6: you said, it is kind of surprising. So I could
Speaker 6: see that not not going through. And then in terms
Speaker 6: of the collectors, I know, some people, you know, questions
Speaker 6: like are the collectors going to disappear again? We've we've
Speaker 6: never thought that or saw that. You know, obviously, the
Speaker 6: revenue share and this cap model is going to be
Speaker 6: you know, uh or firm of how these guys are
Speaker 6: getting paid and how their collective deals are.
Speaker 7: Are laid out.
Speaker 6: But we don't, you know, see the collectors just going
Speaker 6: away at these schools.
Speaker 2: So you're looking at the revenue share model, So there's
Speaker 2: going to be money that's coming directly from the school
Speaker 2: to the football team or the basketball team and the
Speaker 2: resting sport. Then there's still going to be that third
Speaker 2: party that's out there that's able to give endorsement deals
Speaker 2: that that's what we heard yesterday. That was a big
Speaker 2: point of contention for a lot of people.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, that's kind of what we had heard.
Speaker 6: And now it'll be interesting of what that looks. I
Speaker 6: know they have they have said, okay, it's a third
Speaker 6: party or Deloitte gonna now look through all these deals
Speaker 6: over a certain amount.
Speaker 7: And determine fair market value or is that you know?
Speaker 7: Can they not do that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Is there no way to determine that this is this
Speaker 6: is wild west or it has been? So how is
Speaker 6: someone going to come in and say, oh, that's not
Speaker 6: a fair deal?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: They don't really know the ins and out. So yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't see the collectors going away.
Speaker 6: I do think it'll be interesting to see how that's
Speaker 6: kind of governed or if it's continued to operate as is, right, Like,
Speaker 6: if you have the donors with with the most money
Speaker 6: and willing to spend on certain sports, they're gonna be
Speaker 6: able to do so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was an interesting take about Judge Wilton.
Speaker 2: She said, you know, she didn't see that has been
Speaker 2: something that would be that would pass the anti trust laws,
Speaker 2: you know, but numbers, You're gonna have a large uh CPA,
Speaker 2: you know, accounting firm basically putting numbers on the heads
Speaker 2: of athletes, right, Like who who gave them the ability
Speaker 2: to tell somebody what their value is at the end
Speaker 2: of the day.
Speaker 1: Last time I checked.
Speaker 2: You know, you are what you negotiate, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what your value is for sure.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I know you do.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: The other thing, and you know before we get out
Speaker 2: of here, is that she mentioned collective bargaining. This is
Speaker 2: something I know in the NFL model you're very familiar with.
Speaker 2: It's nothing that we've broached really in the college world,
Speaker 2: let yet. But she talked about that that would be
Speaker 2: a remedy because you need player representation in order to
Speaker 2: get continuity, and I think that's what all fans want
Speaker 2: at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Travis antswerve, look they want they don't like to jumping around.
Speaker 2: I don't think the payment part is the big deal
Speaker 2: with people as much as the man. You're here in
Speaker 2: one minute, you're gone the next You're chasing bags all around. So, like,
Speaker 2: can we get players to be someplace for two years,
Speaker 2: three years, four years, and if they do leave, there's
Speaker 2: there some kind of a consequence behind that, like a buyout,
Speaker 2: similar to what coaches deal with right now. And what
Speaker 2: happens in the NFL level or pro sport level, in
Speaker 2: any sport. Is that something that needs to happen. And
Speaker 2: this is what Judge Wilkins brought up yesterday. She said,
Speaker 2: I think that collective bargaining is a way to remedy
Speaker 2: on some of these things, but this case doesn't cover that,
Speaker 2: so she can't rule on that, right.
Speaker 1: So this is this is just.
Speaker 2: Another step in the right direction in my opinion. So
Speaker 2: what is your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I think.
Speaker 6: As just continues to go and you know, things get
Speaker 6: regulated and then you know people feel like, okay, we
Speaker 6: need to have some sort of system in place, you know,
Speaker 6: wouldn't be surprised to see something like that and just
Speaker 6: kind of follow the NFL model, a professional sports model.
Speaker 2: And like, you know, like we.
Speaker 6: Talked about, is that that takes time and a lot
Speaker 6: goes into that, right when even when you know the
Speaker 6: NFL PA and you know players Union are negotiating on
Speaker 6: the CBA and every ten years when they're getting ready
Speaker 6: to make changes, that and takes a lot of time,
Speaker 6: and they already have the foundation in blueprints, so to
Speaker 6: start something from scratch, you know, it could be a
Speaker 6: while before.
Speaker 7: Something like that is implemented.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, until then, until the we're gonna they're
Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna be the wild, wild west side here, fellas.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know mister one dollar mode swerve
Speaker 2: you know before we.
Speaker 1: Hey, you don't do this with the figure you're doing
Speaker 1: this one easy go up there this Friday.
Speaker 3: I know, I got may have to go back again
Speaker 3: next year. Just give me one dollar more. It's all
Speaker 3: we act. Just give us one dollar more. That's it.
Speaker 2: You better have some good representation, man, I know a
Speaker 2: couple of people that you can talk. Hey, trap man,
Speaker 2: we really appreciate your time. Man, It's been wealth of
Speaker 2: knowledge for you. Best of luck in the track coming up.
Speaker 2: You got always ready to come to come out. Man,
Speaker 2: you know, thank you for coming man, and don't be
Speaker 2: a stranger. We'll see you soon now.
Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 9: Definitely be back absolutely you trap all right, all right,
Speaker 9: all right, Travis Allen, everybody athletes first agency agent is
Speaker 9: short there NFL baby, you know n I L college.
Speaker 2: High school level coming to your seven on seven teams?
Speaker 2: Were you heard it here?
Speaker 1: First?
Speaker 3: Man? You got a thing, man, I give it. Got
Speaker 3: a lot of respect for that young man.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, to get a scholarship to No the Dame
Speaker 3: Academic you know, I know by Nord the Dame pars
Speaker 3: Academic because my son was committed there. Yeah, at the time,
Speaker 3: nor the Dame was like the number nine academic school
Speaker 3: in the country and Stanford was number two. So that
Speaker 3: for that, for that, for Allen to get that you know,
Speaker 3: scholarship for that and walk on, man, that's that's like
Speaker 3: you said, that was a great accomplishment in that. So
Speaker 3: you know you're dealing with a guy that got it
Speaker 3: all upstairs, you know, Oh yeah, for sure, I'm meant
Speaker 3: to tell him though we have played against him, and
Speaker 3: I saw him in the uniform.
Speaker 1: We to bust the ass though. There you go again
Speaker 1: with that ship.
Speaker 3: The conversation was so smart and it was going that
Speaker 3: I couldn't get to that part. But I won't let
Speaker 3: him know. Try you to play it in in that
Speaker 3: smarting state. We to bust your ass.
Speaker 2: A man, we had a nice run against the today
Speaker 2: back in the day.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, never lost the ruthe never lost the rute.
Speaker 2: Never never. That was a good run, hey man. Final
Speaker 2: thoughts before we get up out of this work.
Speaker 3: I'm always in it like this because now I'm a
Speaker 3: coorse like you go white baby.
Speaker 2: All right, man, listen, that'll be it sat the Germ,
Speaker 2: Jason straight Horn, This is Spiral Mass You everybody have
Speaker 2: a good night. God bless you all.
Speaker 1: Go greet Go White,