Speaker 1: Welcome friends. The podcasts podcast is done. Jacky again Ryan.
Speaker 2: They're talking about buying podcast from Mike Judge, creator of
Speaker 2: Beatus and Bunhead and co creator of King of the Hill.
Speaker 1: Comes a movie about people who go to work.
Speaker 2: Who are part of a team.
Speaker 1: And remember next Friday is Hawaiian Shirt Day.
Speaker 2: Okay, I could fit the building unfired and need to escape.
Speaker 2: I don't like my job and I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go anymore. It looks like you've been missing quite
Speaker 2: a bit of work lately. Well, I wouldn't say I've
Speaker 2: been missing it. Bob. You haven't been shown up and
Speaker 2: you've got to keep your job. Actually, I'm being promoted.
Speaker 2: I Intertech deserves to go down. We're just the guys
Speaker 2: to do it. Tell me about that virus you're always
Speaker 2: talking about, one that could rip off the company for
Speaker 2: a bunch of money. I'm not good to do anything
Speaker 2: illegal to illegal. This is Amrita. Welcome to a movie
Speaker 2: film commentary track. My name is Zachie Hasan. I'm here
Speaker 2: with Brian Hall.
Speaker 1: Hey Zachi, what's happening? Brian?
Speaker 2: Do you have a case of the mondays.
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: So we're here to watch office Space This is a
Speaker 2: movie that celebrated it's twenty fifth anniversary about a year ago.
Speaker 2: As we're recording this, and you know, just like the
Speaker 2: speed of business, we're like, you know, we got to it,
Speaker 2: when we got to it. Yeah, this has been on
Speaker 2: our to do list for a while, so I'm glad
Speaker 2: we finally get to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like such a classic. I was
Speaker 1: just saying before we started, like, I know this movie
Speaker 1: top to bottom. Yeah, and it's just one of those
Speaker 1: things that maybe you even sort of take it for
Speaker 1: granted for that reason, And so I can't believe we
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to this yet. This is gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun, fun conversation. So we are
Speaker 2: here to talk through Mike Judges cult classic from nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine, a comedy that truly was ahead of its
Speaker 2: time because it did not find its audience until long
Speaker 2: after it left the theaters. But hey, we're we're gonna
Speaker 2: go through it. If you want to watch along with this,
Speaker 2: you certainly can't do that. If not, we'll try to
Speaker 2: keep our conversation engaging enough to keep you company while
Speaker 2: you're while you're driving, while while you're stuck in traffic
Speaker 2: as you move from one lane to the next, desperately
Speaker 2: trying to trying to move a few inches ahead, you know, yep,
Speaker 2: And there is just the one cut. And I will
Speaker 2: go so far as to say it is it is
Speaker 2: the perfect cut, Thank goodness. It is exactly what it
Speaker 2: needs to be.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, A trim little ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I'm cute up on my end about you, Brian.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, all right, So we'll do the
Speaker 2: usual thing. I will go to count to three, one,
Speaker 2: two three, play and here we go. Ready, one, two
Speaker 2: three play.
Speaker 1: So do you remember this movie being in theaters?
Speaker 2: Not only do I remember it being in theaters. I
Speaker 2: and this is this is absolutely true. Some people are
Speaker 2: like Zaki. You're always there at these historically significant moments
Speaker 2: when it comes to movies. In nineteen ninety nine, I
Speaker 2: was there on opening night for two movies, Office Space
Speaker 2: and The Sixth Sense, And I get to claim I
Speaker 2: watched this movie in a virtually empty theater. It was
Speaker 2: myself in a small group of friends, and it was
Speaker 2: literally like, well, we would just hang out and watch movies,
Speaker 2: and this happened to be the new movie that week,
Speaker 2: and so I was, and I wrote a review for
Speaker 2: the College You Do Page newspaper. I was way ahead
Speaker 2: of the curve on office space and it was Wow.
Speaker 1: You remember it being like, oh that was great.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I My stomach was hurting. I was laughing
Speaker 2: so hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: I mean it was. This was one of those things
Speaker 2: where everybody I met I'd be like, you gotta watch this,
Speaker 2: you gotta watch this, you know. So yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was at the leading edge of office space. I'm
Speaker 2: very proud to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just so this movie.
Speaker 2: So did you just hear this?
Speaker 1: I can hear the music, Yeah, I mean this, I
Speaker 1: mean there's so much to get into. The soundtrack to
Speaker 1: this is so unexpected and perfect. Yeah, and it just
Speaker 1: I mean we have to compliment the opening, the sequence
Speaker 1: of him in traffic trying to figure out which is
Speaker 1: the quickest lane and whatever lane he's not in, that's
Speaker 1: the quickest lane. Yeah. And the editing is so amazing
Speaker 1: on this, just selling the frustration well.
Speaker 2: And and what's really so great, right, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is one of those things where you can just go
Speaker 2: down the list at everything that works and so right
Speaker 2: right up up top of Ron Livingston as Peter, and
Speaker 2: this truly is perfect casting, and especially when you realize
Speaker 2: the studio wanted Matt Damon, yes, which I could almost
Speaker 2: see a version of like present day Matt Damon in.
Speaker 1: This yeah yeah yeah, or even then I can understand
Speaker 1: the thinking, but it's.
Speaker 2: A different movie. It's very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This scene David Herman just doing his rap and then
Speaker 2: he like a black guy comes near and he just
Speaker 2: very quickly locks his door so funny, well and turns.
Speaker 1: The music down exactly like he's just like screaming these
Speaker 1: lyrics and like, and then he slowly turns it down,
Speaker 1: locks his door, then turns the music back up.
Speaker 2: A Jay Nadu. I love his character in this movie
Speaker 2: so good.
Speaker 1: But I have to ask you, are you Are you
Speaker 1: a person that like kind of blasts music but when
Speaker 1: you get to a stop light you turn it down
Speaker 1: just because there are people around?
Speaker 2: I do, well, I mean, what am I blasting?
Speaker 1: Like Phil Collins, I'm not even just saying the content
Speaker 1: of the music, but I'm like one of those people
Speaker 1: where I'm driving and I'm probably like yelling along to
Speaker 1: the lyrics like yeah, But then you get to like
Speaker 1: a stoplight or something, and I turn it down.
Speaker 2: Like I do not turn my music down. But I
Speaker 2: can't say. I can't say I've thought about it, know
Speaker 2: that I'm blasting it loud enough to even be heard
Speaker 2: outside of my car.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'm just an insecure person.
Speaker 2: We're learning all kinds of things about Brian today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if anyway, sorry you were about to say something.
Speaker 2: Now. The the the mix of characters here, and they're
Speaker 2: all they're all played by actors who who were familiar
Speaker 2: to varying degrees, like at this point I had already
Speaker 2: seen Swingers, so I knew Ron Linston from that. I
Speaker 2: knew David Herman from from from Mad TV so and
Speaker 2: then of course Gary Cole. I think I knew Gary
Speaker 2: Cole from from The Brady Bunch of Movies probably, But
Speaker 2: it's all familiar, Phace. It's all character actors. But I
Speaker 2: think it helps that they are. They all seem like
Speaker 2: people you would encounter in your everyday life. There aren't
Speaker 2: any real movie stars in here.
Speaker 1: Yes, which I you know you already said, but Fox
Speaker 1: wanted there to be, but Mike Judge insisted, like no,
Speaker 1: there can't. These characters cannot have star power. It will
Speaker 1: take away from who they are in this film, and
Speaker 1: I mean he he's of course absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, you know, oftentimes the advice screenwriters
Speaker 2: who are trying to break in are given is write
Speaker 2: what you know, right, And this is like a textbook
Speaker 2: example of how write what you know can bear such
Speaker 2: perfect fruit, right, because Mike Judge spoke from his own
Speaker 2: experience working in one of these corporate drone type jobs
Speaker 2: and sort of the soul deadening experience that he had
Speaker 2: where he was literally like alphabetizing work orders, which just
Speaker 2: sounds like the definition of busy work, you know, right,
Speaker 2: and it was he talked about how it was so
Speaker 2: soul crushing because he couldn't even daydream because he would
Speaker 2: lose his place.
Speaker 1: Right, It's so.
Speaker 2: Sad, right, And so taking all of that frustration and
Speaker 2: channeling it into you know what started as these animated
Speaker 2: shorts on liquid Television, you know, Milton featuring Lumber, and
Speaker 2: then of course that went to SNL and then you
Speaker 2: know it just somehow it ends up his soul deadening
Speaker 2: nightmare becomes this sort of primal scream that at this
Speaker 2: point several generations can relate to.
Speaker 1: You know, and it's yeah, it's amazing because you can
Speaker 1: imagine a lot of versions then that would come out
Speaker 1: of a person from these experiences. But this is just
Speaker 1: such a perfect little gem, you know, with its characters,
Speaker 1: with its situations, and just it's amazing the things that
Speaker 1: he was able to recollect, things that feel so lived in,
Speaker 1: Like the moment we just saw where he was approaching
Speaker 1: the door to enter the bullten but he knows it
Speaker 1: will shock his finger if he touches it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's funny because it does. And what's great is it's
Speaker 1: not the biggest thing in the world, but it's just
Speaker 1: this little annoying thing you don't want to happen. That
Speaker 1: doesn't make you want to walk through those doors every morning.
Speaker 2: Right, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean that's something that must have happened to him
Speaker 1: and to have the presence of mind to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that, you know, and then I
Speaker 1: can watch that and just know that soul deadening feeling
Speaker 1: that I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: It's especially you know, a cogent observation of just of
Speaker 2: just the day to day drudgery that you know, all
Speaker 2: of the furniture and the and the floor plan and everything.
Speaker 2: I mean, this just this looks like offices that we've
Speaker 2: seen or even been in, you know, I don't even
Speaker 2: know how many times throughout our lives, right, and yet
Speaker 2: Mike Judge had this specific vision and they they they
Speaker 2: screen tested each piece of.
Speaker 1: Furniture, oh, to see how it would look on film.
Speaker 2: Exactly to represent his vision of this office, you know.
Speaker 2: And he talked about how like, you know, initially it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you should say it in Wall Street
Speaker 2: or do like a like a heightened like a brisk
Speaker 2: zil type Brazil as in the movie Terry Gilliams Brazil.
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, no, no, like, that's not the point.
Speaker 2: The point is this is just like every town in
Speaker 2: America has an in a tech right you know.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Well, he was describing you had these sort
Speaker 1: of office park areas. We have these very boring, nondescript buildings,
Speaker 1: you know, with these perfectly manicured little bits of grass,
Speaker 1: and then a mile away are all the food chains.
Speaker 1: You know, your Tgi Friday is your Applebee's. And he's
Speaker 1: so it's so true. I mean I've driven past many
Speaker 1: of these places.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know I I I was reading too
Speaker 1: that the studio executives were looking at the dailies and
Speaker 1: they weren't happy because it did look dull, you know,
Speaker 1: And and they were giving him notes like dude, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: more energy, more energy. You got to reshoot this. And
Speaker 1: you just really have to admire Judge for being so
Speaker 1: confident in his vision because obviously this became a huge
Speaker 1: hit after its theatrical release. Like he was absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I always admire that when you could think, well, maybe
Speaker 1: I should have cast Matt Damon, maybe I should make
Speaker 1: this a little bigger, maybe there should be a huge
Speaker 1: set piece at the end, but it's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you were right all along and you made a thing
Speaker 1: that so many people related to and found hilarious. You
Speaker 1: just have to have that confidence in your vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine that. I mean, it's been more
Speaker 2: than a quarter century at this point, so he feels
Speaker 2: vindicated in every way, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was reading some story where I guess when
Speaker 1: he was working on Idiocrasy with his co writer, they
Speaker 1: went to a Starbucks and the baristas were doing impressions
Speaker 1: of Lumberg, and so I guess that his co writer
Speaker 1: was like, oh, are you only are you doing that?
Speaker 1: Because this is Mike Judge and they're like, who's Mike Judge,
Speaker 1: Like everybody knows, Okay, I know, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah that well, you know this is this is I've
Speaker 2: used this chestnut quite a bit in our commentary tracks.
Speaker 2: You know, in specificity, you find universality, and that's that's
Speaker 2: so applicable with all the little things, you know, the
Speaker 2: the the chirping lady answering the phone just a moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so uh jay Nato, I should say he's
Speaker 2: he's from Evanston, Illinois, No kidding, he's a he's a
Speaker 2: hometown boy, Brian.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I like the fact that he approached the character.
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's an Indian American, but he's like
Speaker 2: he tried to find him into the character that felt authentic.
Speaker 2: So he he plays him as Jordanian and he plays
Speaker 2: him with a Jordanian accent.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting.
Speaker 2: And I love that, you know that, you know, because
Speaker 2: you can imagine the very broad Indian caricature of totally.
Speaker 2: And I like the fact that Samir feels like a guy.
Speaker 2: I know, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, he feels like an authentic person, not a
Speaker 1: type exactly. Yeah, well, speaking of food chains, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously this is a take on TGI Fridays. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: love the introduction of this waiter by the way, where
Speaker 1: they're talking about like someday I just want to go
Speaker 1: into work and and thens like, hey, guys like mirrors
Speaker 1: his like machine gun noise, but tries to find his
Speaker 1: way in, like hey.
Speaker 2: Can he get your smabetizers?
Speaker 1: So funny.
Speaker 2: By the way, I also love in the in the
Speaker 2: sequence that just ended here, every shot has has Michael
Speaker 2: pouring sugar into that coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm like, notice me.
Speaker 2: The most disgusting ass coffee.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Richard Riley one of the great character actors.
Speaker 1: So good. It's a jump to conclusions, man, well oh wait,
Speaker 1: oh wait, sorry, yeah, I was gonna say, first he
Speaker 1: abandoned Richard Kimball on that on that bus. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: Then, and then he's trying to explain how he's a
Speaker 2: people person, you know, shot.
Speaker 1: By the way right there, that's just that static and
Speaker 1: that weird little dip in the ground like I've passed
Speaker 1: so many areas that look like that. It's just amazing.
Speaker 1: And then well we we uh it comes up many times.
Speaker 1: But the the TPS report, which is hilarious. It's such
Speaker 1: a great runner where how you can just start to
Speaker 1: feel beaten down because someone mentions, hey, you forgot the thing. Okay, yep,
Speaker 1: you're right, I'll get on that, and then another person
Speaker 1: comes around, Hey, you know, like when you have several
Speaker 1: managers and you're being overmanaged and everyone's reminding you of
Speaker 1: the thing over and over.
Speaker 2: It's like, I got it, and it's this nothing bit
Speaker 2: of minutia, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly it.
Speaker 2: It ultimately amounts to nothing.
Speaker 1: It's a cover sheet on your TPS report, you know,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 2: I think about the fact that I mean I never
Speaker 2: I've never had an office job, right, like like this anyway,
Speaker 2: like a cubicle jockey job. And and I think a
Speaker 2: lot about like how office space probably played at least
Speaker 2: some part in my decision to actively steer away from
Speaker 2: to avoid Yeah, you know, not not not in a
Speaker 2: way that was at the forefront of my thinking, but
Speaker 2: certainly as as as a wallpaper of my mind, you know,
Speaker 2: M like, I don't know if I want to do that.
Speaker 2: I do remember by the by the time this movie
Speaker 2: came up, my brother had been working in this environment
Speaker 2: for a couple of years now, and I remember he
Speaker 2: watched it and he was just like, this is too real.
Speaker 1: It's like a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, well, okay, good, good, good,
Speaker 2: truly noted, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a is this where he's like PC
Speaker 1: load letters right, No, I love some meres thing.
Speaker 2: If I had a million dollars, I would call my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah there is yeah, yeah, he actually has like a plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like TPS report and PC load letter, these have
Speaker 2: just sort of become part of the vernacular by themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as like shorthand for for just like like PC load
Speaker 2: letters just your computers given you crap.
Speaker 1: I do. I think about it all the time. Yeah, actually,
Speaker 1: and then I looked it up because I was curious
Speaker 1: what it means, because I actually have gotten that before.
Speaker 1: And it's, uh, it's when a printer doesn't recognize the
Speaker 1: refil the refill of letter sized paper. So PC means
Speaker 1: paper cartridge.
Speaker 2: There you go, Michael, That's that's what that means the
Speaker 2: whole With regards to Michael. By the way, David Herman
Speaker 2: is terrific in this movie. It's so funny and he
Speaker 2: plays it. What I love is he He he's very funny,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't play the character broad and I think
Speaker 2: that's why it's funny. Yes, right, But he was the
Speaker 2: first person who, like like Mike Judge wrote the movie
Speaker 2: with him and mine for the part. Everyone else, he
Speaker 2: was kind of like he had people read for. But
Speaker 2: he knew he wanted David Herman because he you know,
Speaker 2: David Herman would do voices on on King of the
Speaker 2: Hill and stuff. Ah, okay, right, but what and Stephen
Speaker 2: Roote also is on King of the Hill by the way.
Speaker 2: But what's funny is that at the time, David Herman
Speaker 2: was one of the regulars on Mad TV. That's what
Speaker 2: I knew him from was Mad TV, and he he
Speaker 2: couldn't he was not allowed to do anything else while
Speaker 2: he was on Mad TV.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he wanted to do this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so at a table read for Mad TV,
Speaker 2: he was he just started screaming every line in order
Speaker 2: to get himself fired so that he could be in
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 1: And it worked and it worked wow amazing, wow.
Speaker 2: Like literally, like like Greg Daniels had told him, like, well,
Speaker 2: you'll always have a job, but King of the Hill,
Speaker 2: you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Like Okay, well I have a fallback.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I'm gonna torch my my current employment
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. See, I don't know if I have the
Speaker 1: boldness for that sort of thing. But then you see,
Speaker 1: like this is one of the roles he will forever
Speaker 1: be remembered by. He should be in this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was it was the right move. You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when I worked at Bob's Burgers, he
Speaker 1: plays mister frond Yes on the show, and we would
Speaker 1: have these table reads literally every Friday. It was the
Speaker 1: coolest thing, by the way, every Friday they would cater breakfast.
Speaker 1: Every crew member would go into this room and we'd
Speaker 1: watch the cast read the new script.
Speaker 2: And so the one time he showed up and screamed
Speaker 2: his lines, You're like, okay, I guess he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be on the show anymore.
Speaker 1: No, but no, But I did not it together at
Speaker 1: first that it's really he looks so different now, he
Speaker 1: looks different now, yeah yeah. And then when I realized
Speaker 1: who it was, I blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Now it's yeah, yeah, So Dedrich Bader is is pitch
Speaker 2: perfect as Lawrence right, yes, And and it's endlessly amusing
Speaker 2: to him because de drich Baterer has has such range.
Speaker 2: He's he's amazing, right because he was on he was
Speaker 2: on Drew Carey Show right around the time this was
Speaker 2: being made. But he's you know, he went on to
Speaker 2: be the voice of Batman and Raving the Bold Animated show.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But he's so perfect here because Lawrence is so earnest right,
Speaker 2: like when he's like when he's like under two tricks
Speaker 2: at the same time, like he he says it with
Speaker 2: with such a.
Speaker 1: Pure heart, oddly enough, Yes, exactly, Yeah, Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a man who knows himself, you know, because because what
Speaker 1: I read is that that Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson
Speaker 1: read for it, And I'm like, yeah, I just can't
Speaker 1: see that, you know, No, I agree.
Speaker 2: I love both them guys. I just can't see them
Speaker 2: playing this role, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I totally agree. Well, the character is based on
Speaker 1: someone that Judge knew in real life. M M. I
Speaker 1: guess he was a neighbor who was a mechanic. He's
Speaker 1: a mechanic, and he said that he was just like
Speaker 1: this guy just was content with his life and he
Speaker 1: wished he could be as content as this person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sorry, I'll let you finish. But I think
Speaker 2: that is a perfect contrast with this scene here right
Speaker 2: where you've got lumber saying ask yourself, is this good
Speaker 2: for the company?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And this is something that anybody in an office environment
Speaker 2: like this has probably encountered at some point, and you
Speaker 2: realize the very real disconnect between workers and the company,
Speaker 2: right like that that is such an abstract statement, is
Speaker 2: this good for the company? Is that going to make
Speaker 2: people work harder or or or make them care? Probably not,
Speaker 2: because what Peter articulates later, right, idea of like what
Speaker 2: does it matter whether I work a little harder or
Speaker 2: not if the company stock price goes up? It doesn't
Speaker 2: affect me? Yes, right, And that is so relevant whether
Speaker 2: you're talking about nineteen ninety nine or twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I know it's such a meme now, you see it
Speaker 1: all the time where it's like, you know, hey, we
Speaker 1: had the highest profits we've had in our company's history.
Speaker 1: Here's a pizza for you, right, you know, oh wonderful.
Speaker 2: And so to the point you're making about the mechanic
Speaker 2: who Mike Judge knew, right, there's a situation where above
Speaker 2: and beyond the money side, and you know, doing Okay,
Speaker 2: it's the fact that I did this work, and here
Speaker 2: is the result of the work I did. This thing
Speaker 2: that was not working is working now. I get to
Speaker 2: see for myself the result of the labor I put in, right,
Speaker 2: And there's something that's just sort of spiritually enriching about that, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when it comes to writing a script, right,
Speaker 2: there's nothing like having start it out with a blank
Speaker 2: page and whatever work you put in. At the end
Speaker 2: of it, you're like, I did this thing. This this
Speaker 2: did not exist before it does now and I did
Speaker 2: that m Yep, absolutely right. I mean it's incredibly rewarding.
Speaker 2: And so what the angst that Mike Judge drilled down
Speaker 2: on is that it's you're doing all this work and
Speaker 2: other than subsistence, what are you getting out of it?
Speaker 1: Anyway, No, I think that's something we can relate to
Speaker 1: no matter what year it is. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: I've said this in other commentaries or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: always get stressed out when I see that bar going
Speaker 1: across a computer screen like either he's downloading something or
Speaker 1: here he's trying to shut down his computer. It's just
Speaker 1: such a relatable thing and when they use it to
Speaker 1: create tension in a film, it always works. This is
Speaker 1: somebody There's like I mean, I really feel like not
Speaker 1: enough can be said about how well directed and edited
Speaker 1: this movie is. Yeah, it's a very common I mean,
Speaker 1: this is his first live action thing. I believe, that's right,
Speaker 1: and it's so confidently directed and edited for comedy perfection.
Speaker 1: You know, it kind of reminds me of John Hughes
Speaker 1: a bit, where it's kind of feels a little static,
Speaker 1: but the better word is precise, that's right. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just so sad. He's trying to get out of there,
Speaker 1: so you want it.
Speaker 2: To be that's all he wants is to avoid.
Speaker 1: But you know, going back again to the neighbor character,
Speaker 1: uh Dedrich Baterer's character. What I love about Mike Judge
Speaker 1: he has always been brilliant at when it was Beavis
Speaker 1: and butt Head, this Silicon Valley, even the movie Extract.
Speaker 1: He is brilliant with characters. And there are these hyper
Speaker 1: specific characters that aren't as specific as We'll just have
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson plan and then you'll get it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, they're very very specific types that
Speaker 1: you have definitely met in your life, but didn't realize
Speaker 1: that you were meeting a type until you see them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in my Judge stories, you know. Yeah, that's one of
Speaker 1: his superpowers. You know.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about Ddrik Bater first time I ever
Speaker 2: saw him was on this TV show that aired during
Speaker 2: the summer of ninety two, I think on Fox called
Speaker 2: Danger Theater. H and it was this It was like
Speaker 2: a half hour thing with two like eleven minute segments,
Speaker 2: and it was like a parody of old timey adventure shows.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the first.
Speaker 2: Segment starred d Drich Baterer as this guy who rides
Speaker 2: his motorcycle from town to town called the Searcher. That's hilarious, right,
Speaker 2: and then the second segment was called Tropical Punch, starring
Speaker 2: Adam West, and it was like a Hawaii five Oh riff.
Speaker 1: I want to watch this.
Speaker 2: This is s you look at find it on YouTube
Speaker 2: because this is like a Brian Hall style of humor.
Speaker 1: Danger Theater.
Speaker 2: It's called Danger Theater and it was it was hosted
Speaker 2: by Robert Vaughn. So, I mean, you know it really
Speaker 2: it was very similar to like look well you.
Speaker 1: Know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, The Conan.
Speaker 2: O'Brien pilot with Adam West very much in that vein tonally.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that was the first time I saw Dedrick Bader,
Speaker 2: and so he's on my radar for that. Now. It's
Speaker 2: somewhat amusing that he had two Batman Batman past Batman
Speaker 2: future happened to be on the same show together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is funny.
Speaker 2: But so when I you know, when when he showed
Speaker 2: up on Drew Carrey and so if I recognize him
Speaker 2: from that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where I first saw.
Speaker 2: So so the role of the doctor here, you know,
Speaker 2: originally this was Earmark for Stephen Root. Yeah, I could
Speaker 2: picture it, you know, because because they weren't they were
Speaker 2: gonna have him play the hypnotist and then the other
Speaker 2: Bob the consultant he was going to take you know,
Speaker 2: but of course he read for Milton. He just nailed it.
Speaker 2: He was he was doing an imitation of Mike Judge
Speaker 2: as Milton, and he like, did it better than Mike Judge.
Speaker 1: You know, that's really funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Milton character, this all started with Milton, yes, big,
Speaker 2: and that all started because of this guy that Mike
Speaker 2: Judge worked with at one of these offices who would
Speaker 2: just complain all the time about his desk being moved.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, He's like, they moved.
Speaker 2: My desk and you know, I'd like being close to
Speaker 2: the fish tank. And if they moved my desk one
Speaker 2: more time, I'm going to quit. There's literally what do
Speaker 2: you talk like?
Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible? I mean, and just again to Mike
Speaker 1: Judge's superpower, he recognizes types. Yeah, and he knew there
Speaker 1: was something that could be built out of that person
Speaker 1: that probably everybody else in the office ignored.
Speaker 2: But here's the other interesting thing, right, So he does
Speaker 2: these shorts again. They were on Liquid Television, they were
Speaker 2: on SNL And at that point the folks at Fox
Speaker 2: are like, hey, why don't you do Milton as a movie,
Speaker 2: and he, very smartly Mike Judge is like, I don't
Speaker 2: think there's a movie there. I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: movie in Milton. I don't think we want to see
Speaker 2: his life. And at that point they're like, well, how
Speaker 2: about something like an like car wash or something ensemble
Speaker 2: of people and Milton is one of them, and there
Speaker 2: you go, you know, smart amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting, I mean, it's it's strange. That
Speaker 1: this movie did not make an impact in theaters, and similarly,
Speaker 1: two years previous, Austin Powers did not make an impact
Speaker 1: in theaters. But they have since come on to be
Speaker 1: gone on to be something that culturally everybody at least
Speaker 1: knows one piece of, right, like a line or a
Speaker 1: moment or you know, a situation or something. And it's
Speaker 1: just really speaks to the time when these were released,
Speaker 1: when a movie could be discovered and become a hit
Speaker 1: later on my video. Right, that's really true, because that's
Speaker 1: that's essentially what happened here where I think what it
Speaker 1: had a ten million dollar budget, It only made twelve
Speaker 1: million dollars in theaters, but it became a runaway hit
Speaker 1: on home video, so much so that Fox wasn't even
Speaker 1: aware of it. They'd just forgotten about the film, and
Speaker 1: then it was brought to their attention, like this thing
Speaker 1: is out selling you know, our our higher earning films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like years later, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just one of those things. And then
Speaker 1: of course, I mean I remember having the vhs of this,
Speaker 1: and then of course it becomes a staple on Comedy Central,
Speaker 1: and then it gets drilled into everybody's brains and because
Speaker 1: it's that good. It connects and lives on.
Speaker 2: When did you watch it for the first time, Pretty.
Speaker 1: Close to it coming out. I think I saw it
Speaker 1: when it came out on VHS.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember right around the time it hit
Speaker 2: home video. I was working at a local TV station,
Speaker 2: and that was a it was I guess I could
Speaker 2: talk about this now it's been a quarter century. But
Speaker 2: there's like a set of dub racks, you know, and
Speaker 2: you could put like a like a tape from Blockbuster
Speaker 2: and it was just stripped the copy protection right right right,
Speaker 2: and so people just made like thirty copies of office
Speaker 2: space and just just passed them around.
Speaker 1: You know. Well that's how I first saw The Mummy.
Speaker 1: You made me a copy of The Mummy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love First of all, Jennifer Aniston is the biggest
Speaker 2: star in this movie. She was the biggest star in
Speaker 2: the movie when it came out.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is like peak friends, right right, And.
Speaker 2: I would say she's still like the biggest star in
Speaker 2: the movie. That's the funny thing, you know.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. And she The stipulation Fox gave
Speaker 1: Judge was if you're gonna hire these unknowns for the
Speaker 1: central characters. You have to have at least one star
Speaker 1: in your movie. So that's why he looked at Jennifer Inoson,
Speaker 1: who does a great job.
Speaker 2: By the way, she's she's very good in this and
Speaker 2: in fact, the whole subplot about her, you know, the
Speaker 2: whole Flair Runner was basically added to beef up her role.
Speaker 1: Wow. That's interesting. Yeah, And I mean, and that's such
Speaker 1: a crucial part of it. Yeah, well and a crucial
Speaker 1: part of what people remember about this movie. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I mean so much so that I I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is apocryphal or not, but Tgi Friday
Speaker 1: stopped stopped having their servers wear and all those Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of this film. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this part cracks me up. Like as as Tom
Speaker 2: gets more and more, you know, hunkered down into the
Speaker 2: realization he's about to lose his job. Yeah, and johncy McGinley,
Speaker 2: what what is it that.
Speaker 1: You do here? What would you say.
Speaker 2: It is that you do here?
Speaker 1: And he's getting flustered.
Speaker 2: I'm a people person, What the hell is wrong with
Speaker 2: you people?
Speaker 1: I love that the evaluators are both named Bob Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: the two Bob's. It's like funny. What a funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could just have those characters and still have the
Speaker 1: whole movie, but it's like, let's make them both named Bob,
Speaker 1: just a little extra flourish. Yeah. John C.
Speaker 2: Mcginley's obviously very funny. Paul Wilson who he you know,
Speaker 2: I know him from Cheers. He played he played the
Speaker 2: character Paul on Cheers. Yeah, and he's in like just
Speaker 2: about every season, almost every episode of that show, you know,
Speaker 2: oh wow, And and he he you know. McGinley talked
Speaker 2: about how the two of them had just this great
Speaker 2: rapport where they would just improv together. He said it
Speaker 2: was like jazz, like they'd just be riffing hmmm, and
Speaker 2: he'd end up with with comedy gold. You know.
Speaker 1: Now John C.
Speaker 2: McGinley read for Lumberg.
Speaker 1: I can see that.
Speaker 2: I can see it, But I'm also like, you know,
Speaker 2: the thing about John C. McGinley, no matter what role
Speaker 2: he plays, he's he's he's got this like simmering rage
Speaker 2: just underneath the surface.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The word that came of it was like a
Speaker 1: little bit of intensity. Yes, and Lumberg needs to lack
Speaker 1: all intensity exactly right, So you realize, like like Gary
Speaker 1: Cole Gary cole Is. It's so funny because you can
Speaker 1: just plug him into whatever and he's.
Speaker 2: Going to do a good job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 2: Whether he's Mike Brady or or Clint e Stood's boss
Speaker 2: in in the Line of Fire, two very different things.
Speaker 2: You know, he's the voice of Harvey Birdman, attorney at
Speaker 2: law in right, Right, and and with with Lumberg, he's
Speaker 2: again he's just imitating Mike Judge.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, but it's so iconic.
Speaker 2: That's what I love, right, Like, like you know people
Speaker 2: do in the Lumberg imitation. I mean everybody gets it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Hey, Peter, what's happening.
Speaker 2: By the way. The thing about the Michael Bolton, I
Speaker 2: ge't I don't even know how many times I've said
Speaker 2: some equivalent. Oh, I celebrate his whole catalog.
Speaker 1: Me too, too, I celebrate his whole catalog. So funny,
Speaker 1: what a funny again, a funny detail. His name could
Speaker 1: have just been like Jimmy or something. It's like, what
Speaker 1: if his name is Michael Bolton and that like drives
Speaker 1: me crazy.
Speaker 2: That's well's what's fun Earlier in the film, right, he talks,
Speaker 2: he talks about how you know.
Speaker 1: Everything was fine until I was seven.
Speaker 2: Then that no talent ass clown showed up and started
Speaker 2: winning Grammys and that line. They had to change it
Speaker 2: because originally it was that no singing asshole, right, and
Speaker 2: they were like, well, legally he might be like, hey,
Speaker 2: are you saying I don't sing my own music? Whatever? Right,
Speaker 2: And so they landed on and I think David Herman said,
Speaker 2: like his ex girlfriend at the time was like, oh,
Speaker 2: ask clown, and that sounded funny, and so they made
Speaker 2: that and I'm like, well, no talent, ask clown is
Speaker 2: a meaner, but be way funnier.
Speaker 1: Way funnier. I mean, I still think of ask clown,
Speaker 1: and like, by the way, did you know this? In
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, it officially entered Webster's Dictionary. Ask clown, ass clown,
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's so funny. No talent ass clown, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2: So now you used to work in a restaurant, not
Speaker 2: unlike chochkeys.
Speaker 1: You know, thankfully, I would say it was a little different,
Speaker 1: like we was more like flingers. Yes, well, I worked
Speaker 1: at a hula hans for people who still have those around,
Speaker 1: They've closed down all over the country. The one that
Speaker 1: I used to work at is closed now. But I
Speaker 1: was on a road trip with my dad recently and
Speaker 1: I just out of curiosity looked it up and there
Speaker 1: was still one in Kansas or something, and I was like, Dad,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we have to go off the path just
Speaker 1: a little bit. I have to have a Brent with
Speaker 1: chicken sandwich again. But yeah, we had kind of the fun,
Speaker 1: kitchy stuff on the walls. We definitely had that, you know,
Speaker 1: a poster of Marilyn Monroe next to you know, like
Speaker 1: a reindeer with sunglasses on or something. But like we
Speaker 1: didn't have the goofy uniforms or the pins or have
Speaker 1: to be high energy, thankfully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the first time I met you was
Speaker 2: at that restaurant, and you were the opposite of high energy.
Speaker 1: You were.
Speaker 2: You were just dead inside and shoved my food at me. No,
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny though, I mean you were You're
Speaker 2: a great server, I should say, just now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're joking, But like, I loved
Speaker 1: that job. I'm still close friends. I mean, almost twenty
Speaker 1: years later with some of the people from that place.
Speaker 1: It was a lightning in a bottle kind of situation
Speaker 1: with the people there. We all got along. We all
Speaker 1: hung out outside of work. We would actually go to
Speaker 1: Fridays because they were open so late after we closed
Speaker 1: to hang out and grab a beer. It was a
Speaker 1: awesome experience, the exact opposite of what Annison is going
Speaker 1: through here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you were you were. You were not
Speaker 2: unlike the Brian in this movie. As I recalled the
Speaker 2: first time I saw him, because I was coming from work.
Speaker 2: I came there from work with a group of my friends.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this sucks, and you're like, gig gigy,
Speaker 2: how can I get you guys?
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't suck our hall Penu poppers.
Speaker 2: You know. So ste Stephen Root. Stephen Root is in
Speaker 2: my opinion, one of the great actors working today.
Speaker 1: I mean right through Barry recently. I mean, he's been
Speaker 1: in so many.
Speaker 2: Different things, so many things, and he just he just
Speaker 2: it just disappears into the character, right because bear in mind,
Speaker 2: at the same time he was playing he was filming
Speaker 2: this movie, he was in the middle of his run
Speaker 2: on news radio as the Boss. Oh okay, and you
Speaker 2: talk about two characters, we are as different as different
Speaker 2: can be, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he.
Speaker 2: Talked about how the these coke bottle glasses were so
Speaker 2: thick that he had to wear special contacts so that
Speaker 2: he could see through them.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And even then there was no depth perception, so like
Speaker 2: he had to rehearse ahead of time where something was.
Speaker 2: They're so cruel to him, that's the thing. He's so
Speaker 2: pitiful it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, of course, I mean it's Stapler. I mean
Speaker 1: that was another line you know much steepler, And then
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you know this, but the red Stapler.
Speaker 1: The reason they made it red was because they wanted
Speaker 1: it to pop on screen, but Swing Line was not
Speaker 1: making them at the time, and they got so many
Speaker 1: requests after this movie that now they sell red staplers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and Stephen Root has talked about how whenever
Speaker 2: he's doing a TV show or whatever and he gets mail,
Speaker 2: he always gets staplers to sign.
Speaker 1: I want a gift to be an actor, to have that.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got a thing you're identified with that
Speaker 1: people want you to sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: Thinking of the Milton shorts, it's interesting that they were
Speaker 1: on SNL. I knew about the liquid television thing on MTV,
Speaker 1: which for people who don't know that was sort of
Speaker 1: a like a collection of weird you know, like indie
Speaker 1: style cartoon short films that would just be you know,
Speaker 1: thirty minutes long on MTV when MTV was really cool
Speaker 1: and revolutionary and they'd have weird stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: back in the day, yeah, yeah, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: that it had been on SNL. That's interesting. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like they take a lot of outsiders work these days.
Speaker 2: Right, well, because I mean back then you had you
Speaker 2: had the Smigel shorts, right, that was right around then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean Smiggle was an SNL guy, right.
Speaker 2: That's true. I would imagine that, well, hey, here's something
Speaker 2: from the creator of Beavis and butthead. Of course we
Speaker 2: want to you know, sure, yeah, Beava's in Butthhead. It
Speaker 2: was a pretty big deal back then.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we should talk about that for
Speaker 1: a minute. I mean, yeah, Beavis and butthead was huge, huge,
Speaker 1: like just kind of It was one of those things
Speaker 1: too that I feel like parents hated it immediately because
Speaker 1: it was these two idiots and they were being destructive
Speaker 1: and they got into trouble because some of the things
Speaker 1: they did, you know, yeah, fire fire, Yeah, constantly talking
Speaker 1: about fire and then apparently like some kid imitating them.
Speaker 2: See there's always some dumb ass little kid got to
Speaker 2: ruin things for everybody else man seriously.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean yeah, I apparently like burned his
Speaker 1: place down, influenced by Beavis and Butted, and I think
Speaker 1: there's an episode where they're throwing things off and overpass
Speaker 1: onto cars and some kid did that. And but the
Speaker 1: so at the time, when you're a teenager and you
Speaker 1: watch Beavis and butt Heead, you're like, it's funny because
Speaker 1: it's just so dumb and it's kind of appealing to
Speaker 1: your base instincts. But then when you get older, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is kind of an amazing satire. Yes exactly, you
Speaker 1: know exactly. Yeah, yeah, like that was you could see
Speaker 1: how it could be mistaken for just stupidity.
Speaker 2: But well, and and so Mike Judge parlayed the success
Speaker 2: of Beaves and butd Heead, and he did a movie
Speaker 2: by the way, you know, the movie, the animated movie,
Speaker 2: and that did pretty well. But he was able to
Speaker 2: parlay that success in the King of the Hill, which
Speaker 2: was a pretty big hit for Fox at the time,
Speaker 2: and so live action was certainly the next Frontier.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And and it is disappointing that that the movie, you know,
Speaker 2: it didn't didn't play, but there is justice in the
Speaker 2: fact that it eventually, you know, it was recognized. What
Speaker 2: it did?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and this this bit right here where they're
Speaker 2: talking to Peter and Peter, the way Peter breaks down
Speaker 2: his day, Yeah, like like that is so fascinating, right,
Speaker 2: because again, I I'm serious, I I the way he
Speaker 2: describes it, and then earlier in the movie when he's
Speaker 2: talking to to Samir and Michael and he's like, you
Speaker 2: want to be doing this when you're fifty? I mean
Speaker 2: that was something that definitely weighed on me as I
Speaker 2: thought about what what do I want to do once
Speaker 2: I'm out of school? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, this is so great just walks just watch
Speaker 1: it right round. Well, and I love too that he's
Speaker 1: in his evaluation meeting Peter and he he ends it, yep,
Speaker 1: that's right, Okay, Well we're We're I'm good.
Speaker 2: So here's Mike Judge as as stand the manager.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a voice, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's such a who else could play this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what he found?
Speaker 1: Got your flair?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he this is. He talked about about how like
Speaker 2: they were reading a bunch of people, but everybody was
Speaker 2: going too big with it, and he kept he kept
Speaker 2: trying to articulate the voice that he was hearing in
Speaker 2: his head and ultimately was like, look, I can, I
Speaker 2: can do it.
Speaker 1: You know, that must be really difficult when you're a
Speaker 1: person like him who creates these characters who are so subtle,
Speaker 1: like they aren't very broad, They're a real specific type,
Speaker 1: and that must be hard when you're like, what, you know,
Speaker 1: not my tempo.
Speaker 2: Well and to his credit, not quite my tempo this way,
Speaker 2: I'm triggered now. Mike Judge, to his credit, talked about
Speaker 2: how he put himself on tape like he auditioned for
Speaker 2: this role.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Interesting, It wasn't like all right, nobody else can do it.
Speaker 2: He's like, I think maybe I can, you know. And
Speaker 2: then and then the casting director is like, no, no,
Speaker 2: you got it, You're good, you know yeah, And it's
Speaker 2: it's sort of this between Stan and Lumberg. We've all
Speaker 2: had either one of those two guys as boss at
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, yeah, I mean the flair thing. I
Speaker 1: can't believe what you were saying that that wasn't part
Speaker 1: of the script because it it's it's very memorable comedically,
Speaker 1: but it really speaks to a lot of truthful things
Speaker 1: that you can apply to other types of jobs. I mean,
Speaker 1: first of all, having to put on this persona that
Speaker 1: isn't you, yeah, you know, and present in a way
Speaker 1: that which is false and sort of you know, makes
Speaker 1: you feel dead inside. That's one thing. But that whole
Speaker 1: conversation they just had where he's like, I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about your flare. You know, you need
Speaker 1: this amount of pieces. She's like, I have that amount
Speaker 1: of pieces. He's like, well, but you could be going
Speaker 1: the extra mile.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 1: So you are doing exactly what we asked you, But
Speaker 1: why aren't you doing more?
Speaker 2: Why aren't you doing more? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember for me it was I was at
Speaker 1: this one job and it would be six or six
Speaker 1: thirty or whatever. It was like quitting time, but you
Speaker 1: didn't want to be the first person out the door
Speaker 1: even though it was quitting time, And so I would
Speaker 1: sit there and I would wait, who's going to be
Speaker 1: the first person to leave so I can leave second?
Speaker 1: Just one of those stupid things where it's like and
Speaker 1: my job was I did what I needed to do.
Speaker 1: I'd probably been done for you know, a couple hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's just the weird politics of an office.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was when I was in college,
Speaker 2: I worked for a wedding videography studio and my job
Speaker 2: was I would come in during the week and I
Speaker 2: would edit videos and and you know, they would have
Speaker 2: shoots on the weekends. And I was told I was hired, well,
Speaker 2: you want to go on one one shoot a month.
Speaker 2: And I was like okay, and I would do my
Speaker 2: shoot a month, and then after a few months it
Speaker 2: was like, well, why aren't you doing more shoots. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm doing the one that you asked me. Well, don't
Speaker 2: you want to do more? I'm like not really, you know,
Speaker 2: It's it's odd, right, Like, well, that's I'm doing the
Speaker 2: one that you asked me to So it's very relate
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hm. That's a good camera move there, yep.
Speaker 1: Spinning it around, putting in between the guys like everyone
Speaker 1: else has been Lumberg. Now he's on trial. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: thing where where like.
Speaker 2: Mcginley's kind of like about to jump out of his
Speaker 2: chair a little bit, and he has to hold him
Speaker 2: back and yes, right, reports I love.
Speaker 1: This too, that damn shock at the door handle and
Speaker 1: so okay, so damn it feels good to be a gangster. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all know this song because
Speaker 1: of this movie. And that was another thing where Fox
Speaker 1: was like not sure about using the gangster rap in
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Tom Rothman, who has had a Fox at the time,
Speaker 2: was essentially his own Bill Lumberg. He's like, I'm not
Speaker 2: really sure.
Speaker 1: Right, but I guess. Mike Judge said, well, okay, well
Speaker 1: let's put it, leave it in, Let's do a test screening,
Speaker 1: and let's see how people respond to it. And he
Speaker 1: said that a guy in a focus group said that
Speaker 1: he liked that the characters worked in an office and
Speaker 1: listened to the rap music, like that was something he
Speaker 1: liked about the movie. Like he related to that and
Speaker 1: stayed in well and an iconic part of the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Judge talked about that specific experience, or he
Speaker 2: said number one, He's like, what I should have said was, look,
Speaker 2: if you take it out, then I'm like take my
Speaker 2: name off the movie, Like, but he didn't have the
Speaker 2: courage to do that. Sure, so he's like, I put
Speaker 2: myself in this position. So they're doing this test screening
Speaker 2: and Mike Judge and you know, they're sitting in the
Speaker 2: back and Tom Rothman is like pacing the hall and
Speaker 2: he talks about how there was like about twenty people
Speaker 2: who had watched the movie and the person, the woman
Speaker 2: who was sort of moderating the responses, did everything possible
Speaker 2: to taint the result. That's funny because she'd be like,
Speaker 2: so what did you think of it? Everybody's like whoa,
Speaker 2: And it's like did you like the music? Who did
Speaker 2: you like all the rap?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you sure? Are you sure?
Speaker 2: It wasn't too much?
Speaker 1: You know? What about a version of the movie that
Speaker 1: doesn't have the red.
Speaker 2: And literally Mike Judge is like face palming in the back,
Speaker 2: you know, And he talked about it. He's like the
Speaker 2: person who is like some nineteen year old kid, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that was our people.
Speaker 1: We got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who got it? I mean that's the humor
Speaker 2: is that, Like Michael Bolton thinks he's some hard case
Speaker 2: and he's just this dorky soft engineer.
Speaker 1: Of those two not even looking up now playing Tetris. Yep,
Speaker 1: you're bothering, bothering me. But you know, it really does
Speaker 1: also speak to a moment in time where I mean
Speaker 1: I remember being a white kid in the suburbs and
Speaker 1: I was listening to NWA. Yeah, like I related to that,
Speaker 1: you know, Oh sure, I get it. I got a
Speaker 1: meeting with the Bobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, Bill Lumberg is the personification of of
Speaker 2: sort of what's the phrase, the banality of evil? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: you know, because because he presents in this low key,
Speaker 2: low energy, non threatening way, and yet what he represents
Speaker 2: is just oppression, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yep, yeah, you know. Looking at it now, I
Speaker 1: mean the only color on the screen is the human's flesh.
Speaker 1: Like it's like there's so many tones of gray, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's I feel like they really found the perfect
Speaker 1: balance where it is still watchable and not depressing, but
Speaker 1: the effect, the intended effect, is still coming across.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this movie really is just lightning in
Speaker 1: a bottle.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and and obviously I mean it is laugh
Speaker 2: out loud, funny, it's quotable and everything else. But but
Speaker 2: you know, like that scene that we saw with with
Speaker 2: Milton right and and oh and by the way, this
Speaker 2: right here, say I've been missing it, Bob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been missing a lot of work lately. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I've.
Speaker 2: Been missing it, but you know where where where the
Speaker 2: the the Paul Wilson characters, like some of your Naga
Speaker 2: We're not gonna work here anymore anyway. Yeah, he just
Speaker 2: he just made that up. Wow, really, and that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm watching it. I mean that is wow. That's pretty.
Speaker 2: That's pretty.
Speaker 1: That's a great line.
Speaker 2: That's where mcginley's like, it was just jazz. I mean,
Speaker 2: they were just going back and forth. I'd love to
Speaker 2: see all the outtakes, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. You know you said at the beginning
Speaker 1: that there's only one cut of this. I'm glad it
Speaker 1: is all it needs to be. It is perfect. It's
Speaker 1: a perfect little jewel of a comedy. But I yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I would love to I would like to see deleted scenes,
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, like just other observations that they
Speaker 1: made that we missed out on. But I don't need them.
Speaker 1: I don't want them in the movie, but I'm curious
Speaker 1: what they are. Yeah, it was a little hand gesture.
Speaker 1: I mean they're on fire. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I love McGinley, Like earlier with the Gary Coley,
Speaker 2: He's like, hold on their professor. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: say that all the time too, you know. But underlying that, right,
Speaker 2: that's like, oh, Milton, for some reason he's working here.
Speaker 2: We don't know why he's still drawing a paycheck. So
Speaker 2: we're just gonna stop giving him his pay and it'll work.
Speaker 1: Itself out, right.
Speaker 2: And that's obviously an extreme, you know, sort of cartoonish example,
Speaker 2: and yet that's not too far removed from how people
Speaker 2: are treated, right, you know, they say it earlier, we're
Speaker 2: going to tell them Friday at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: That way, there's less likelihood of an incident, you know.
Speaker 2: And and just the way people are are boiled down
Speaker 2: to statistical probabilities of what they might do. How can
Speaker 2: you feel valued in a situation like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, I remember, I mean, this isn't
Speaker 1: quite that. But I was at a job and I
Speaker 1: was desperate for work at the time, and so I
Speaker 1: just was like, okay, great, five days a week, I'm
Speaker 1: getting paid. And he gave me a salary and it
Speaker 1: was very low, but I was like whatever. And then
Speaker 1: I started thinking about it. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: really low, and so I had to do my own research,
Speaker 1: and I found out I was getting woefully underpaid, so
Speaker 1: I had to create this little presentation. I went in
Speaker 1: and met with my boss and they're like, oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you're right, and so then they bumped it
Speaker 1: up a bit. But it's like no one cares, Like
Speaker 1: if I hadn't done the research, if I hadn't made
Speaker 1: the presentation, if I hadn't had the evidence to show them, like,
Speaker 1: this isn't insane the discrepancy here. It's like, what do
Speaker 1: they care?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean why would they? Yeah, you know, the
Speaker 2: whole bit with the little scheme they cook up the
Speaker 2: chair on top is where where Michael's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: got it from Superman three, underrated movie by the way, yeah,
Speaker 2: which again it's such a specific reference.
Speaker 1: I know, well I love it, and I would imagine
Speaker 1: I don't know this, but Mike Judge probably thought like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, what if they just do the thing
Speaker 1: for Superman three. You know, it's kind of relatable, well,
Speaker 1: because it is so probable, yep, the fact that a
Speaker 1: company might not notice a couple fractions of a cent
Speaker 1: that they're losing. But there's like, well, what if someone
Speaker 1: collected that. Yeah, I don't know, I find those things.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people go too far when they make references to
Speaker 1: other movies, but I find this one very relatable and
Speaker 1: something I'd be like, oh yeah, well Superman three, Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: why don't we try that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, apparently somebody actually enacted a scheme very similar to this,
Speaker 2: just a couple of years ago, really, and and got
Speaker 2: several hundred thousand dollars. And when when investigators were searching
Speaker 2: on his computer, they found a file labeled office space
Speaker 2: plan or something to that effect.
Speaker 1: Guy, why don't you, dude, oh man, oh man, look
Speaker 1: at that though.
Speaker 2: Five years of your mid twenties is now gone, think
Speaker 2: about that, like I'm I'm like, man, when I saw this,
Speaker 2: my mid twenties were still you know, had half a
Speaker 2: decade away. Yeah, same, yeah, now my mid twenties or
Speaker 2: twenty years ago, Brian, my god.
Speaker 1: Wait, so the guy got caught then, and then he
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: That I don't know, but he did indeed get caught.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, obviously you shouldn't steal and whatever,
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe he's my Luigi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious. Actually, Okay, so this is let's see
Speaker 2: if I can find a story about it.
Speaker 1: But even just like his apartment, look at that. I
Speaker 1: mean that's just like that stock you know, you got
Speaker 1: those vertical blinds, nothing on the walls, like it just
Speaker 1: feels like a cookie cutter apartment sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole the whole thing about prisons and conjugal visits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it too. Where Weir's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing anything illegal. He's like illegal, Samir, this is America.
Speaker 2: This isn't Riod, you know which. You know I lived
Speaker 2: in Riad when I was living outside Arabia? Did you
Speaker 2: really I did?
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this is the story from This is from the
Speaker 2: New York Times about the This is Office Space inspired
Speaker 2: engineer's theft scheme. Police say, wow, mister Castro, former software
Speaker 2: engineer for the e commerce site's zulily edited code to
Speaker 2: divert shipping fees to a personal account and manipulate product prices,
Speaker 2: stealing about two hundred and sixty thousand dollars in electronic
Speaker 2: payments and more than forty thousand in merchandise.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, Well I don't condone that manipulating prices and
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean those yeah, yeah, according to a police report,
Speaker 2: and a document found on mister Castro's work laptop referred
Speaker 2: to the scheme as quote office space project.
Speaker 1: What was he thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 1: You know what, though, maybe that's the type of person
Speaker 1: who would do that sort of thing. Yeah, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, most people have more common sense.
Speaker 2: I think the rest of us just watched this movie
Speaker 2: and live vicariously through exactly exactly that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny, this whole money scheme thing.
Speaker 1: You think about trying to make a story out of
Speaker 1: your work experiences. It's one thing to have. I mean,
Speaker 1: ninety page is worth of funny jokes that everyone can
Speaker 1: understand or relate to. But you do have to have
Speaker 1: a plot, right, right, And so I mean this this
Speaker 1: plot is pretty loose, you know, it's enough to me,
Speaker 1: And it's funny because it is a plot that I
Speaker 1: actually remember. Sometimes you watch a movie and you just
Speaker 1: remember the jokes and don't remember what the actual, you know,
Speaker 1: stakes were. But I do remember this, And maybe it
Speaker 1: has to do with the Superman three of it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, although you you saw Superman three much later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean that joke made it stick in
Speaker 1: my mind. That they ripped it off from some movie
Speaker 1: they saw, and when they don't even know what money
Speaker 1: laundering is, they have to up in the dictionary.
Speaker 2: This sequence, by the way, this montage and the whole
Speaker 2: to his face, that's a meme all by itself.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so good the scheme.
Speaker 2: Look at that, look at that that floppy disc. I know,
Speaker 2: I know there's a there's a time capsule right there.
Speaker 1: But again, like the the rap, the hardcore rap music
Speaker 1: here is just so perfect. Then like the bullet sounds
Speaker 1: when he's clicking his mouse, Yep, it's hilarious. Funny is
Speaker 1: such a mundane.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, right is is the studio. It just
Speaker 2: didn't get the wavelength this movie was on. Like the
Speaker 2: rap is what makes it so much funnier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: The idea that like like do you remember the trailer
Speaker 2: for this No, Like the trailer had had fat boy slim.
Speaker 1: Okay, like.
Speaker 2: And it it like if you watch it now, you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it just doesn't work like it is
Speaker 2: it is not representing the comedy in this movie. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to make it feel like a high energy bop exactly.
Speaker 2: That's exactly you know, and and I think I think
Speaker 2: if I were to guess, oh, this whole thing.
Speaker 1: By the way, so funny, it's so dark.
Speaker 2: He tries to kill himself. He's like ahead, I want
Speaker 2: to live, and he eats my car. You know that's
Speaker 2: I I truly like, I'm just like, you know, it
Speaker 2: was just ahead of its time, but like this was
Speaker 2: the type of humor that we liked back then.
Speaker 1: I know. Well, and maybe if you're a smart executive,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's good to go with something you don't get
Speaker 1: because that means it's ahead of the curve. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like I the what the studio was probably hoping for
Speaker 1: so funny right there.
Speaker 2: They were probably hoping for a something about Mary totally, yes,
Speaker 2: because that was just the year prior. Yeah about not
Speaker 2: even not even a year. It was like six months earlier.
Speaker 2: And both movies are very funny, but they're on completely
Speaker 2: different wavelengths.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, right, dude. I mean, you couldn't cast that
Speaker 1: guy better. Yep, he's that guy. I've met that guy.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: By the way, I love the line when they you
Speaker 1: know again, we got this hardcore rap music playing. It's
Speaker 1: in slow motion. They're doing freeze frames as they you know,
Speaker 1: pass over the floppy disk and then when it's all done,
Speaker 1: they collect and the Bolton's like, wow, that was easy.
Speaker 2: It makes such a big deal out of it. It's
Speaker 2: like huh okay. So, of course, probably the most famous
Speaker 2: scene in the movie right here, iconic, yeah, with the printer. Yep,
Speaker 2: look at how it's shot right, so great Samir's kick.
Speaker 2: What I love is that like Peter is kind of
Speaker 2: like hanging back. He's the mob boss, you know, he's
Speaker 2: the boss.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: And there's this great bit where where Samir like, yeah,
Speaker 2: right here, right here, where he's about to do he
Speaker 2: uses the bat to make him stand back right there,
Speaker 2: and they beat the ship out of this printer.
Speaker 1: Man, have you I mean, I think it goes about saying,
Speaker 1: but have you had a printer experience that made you
Speaker 1: want to do this?
Speaker 2: Oh? I just most technology, you know.
Speaker 1: Man, this is so funny. Fists have to pull him away.
Speaker 2: Mike Judge talked about how when they were filming this
Speaker 2: that that scene and again he's he's a first time
Speaker 2: director and he tells David Herman just go ape ship,
Speaker 2: just like jump up and down. And I guess he
Speaker 2: slipped at one point and nearly like freaking like lacerated
Speaker 2: a vein, you know, And the DP goes to Mike
Speaker 2: Judge's like, hey, closer on mister Landis. Oh geez, It's
Speaker 2: is a reference to John Landis.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so that's where my crew is at.
Speaker 1: But dude, I will never forget. When I was at
Speaker 1: College of DuPage, which is where we met, I had, like,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those like dot printer things with
Speaker 1: the perforated edges with the holes on the side, and
Speaker 1: it would, you know, I'd be writing my paper at
Speaker 1: the last minute, having to print it off go straight
Speaker 1: to school, and it would jam up or stick or
Speaker 1: something wouldn't work. And I remember, even before this movie,
Speaker 1: I think I must have been post but I wanted
Speaker 1: to kill this printer. And when I was done with it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was going to throw it away. And I remember
Speaker 1: I was going to beat the crap out of it,
Speaker 1: like with a bat, and my dad, my dad actually
Speaker 1: was like, Brian, no, that's that's violent. And it's funny
Speaker 1: because as recently as a year ago, I told him
Speaker 1: I still do this day regret that I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I still think about that printer. I hate it, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a little anger that still lives inside
Speaker 1: of me because he didn't let me get it out.
Speaker 2: That is really funny, now, I I love that Joanna
Speaker 2: is like kind of the conscience of the film here. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because we do need her voice to kind
Speaker 2: of be like, well, no, it's still not.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, well you're it's stealing. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's not quite like stealing. She's like, no, it's literally stealing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I love it too because she hates her job too.
Speaker 1: It's not like she's in some sort of happy place
Speaker 1: exactly like she well, I hate my job too, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna steal, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I I like that that little bit of texture.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: We should say. By the way, Jennifer Aniston, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the you know, she was a superstar at the
Speaker 2: time that this came out, but like it it's you know,
Speaker 2: like Rachel is so like sexy and glamorous, right, But
Speaker 2: I love how Joanna is kind of like girl next
Speaker 2: door cute totally.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I mean, for putting a star in
Speaker 1: this movie in just a more minor role, she does
Speaker 1: fit right in. She gets right into the tone, like
Speaker 1: she gets what they're doing here, and it's nice that
Speaker 1: she doesn't try to do something bigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She went to high school with David Herman. Oh funny
Speaker 2: and yeah, so she talked about this how she was
Speaker 2: a sophomore and he was a senior and he was
Speaker 2: like already well known for being funny and she always
Speaker 2: like kind of had a thing for him.
Speaker 1: How funny.
Speaker 2: Right, And then and then after this movie came out,
Speaker 2: you know, it tanked in theaters, but then gradually they
Speaker 2: found out all these people liked it and and Madonna
Speaker 2: apparently liked the movie, right, So she wanted to meet
Speaker 2: with Mike Judge. So she meets Mike Judge and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know how I really liked and he's like, ooh
Speaker 2: Milton's She's like, no, no, that Michael Bolton guy. You're
Speaker 2: so sexy, damn dude of your David Herman like right,
Speaker 2: Jeffery Aniston, Ma, Donna. So so Mike Judge told it,
Speaker 2: like he he goes back to I think they're probably
Speaker 2: did King of the Hill, and he tells David Herman
Speaker 2: the story, and David Herman's like, listen, you have to
Speaker 2: be the one to always tell that story because nobody
Speaker 2: will believe if I'm.
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, I tell it all the time, Like,
Speaker 1: please make this part of you when any talk show
Speaker 1: you're on. Man, this to me is one of the
Speaker 1: it's not like one of the most memorable, but to me,
Speaker 1: this is one of the funniest jokes in the entire movie.
Speaker 1: Where you have this guy and he's in the worst
Speaker 1: possible shape you can imagine. He's in a wheelchair, he's
Speaker 1: in a body cast. He's got like a brace on
Speaker 1: his neck drilled into his head, and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to work anymore, and he goes, dreams do come true?
Speaker 1: Just look at me, like that is so funny to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's happy, he's free. It doesn't matter that he's in
Speaker 1: this brace and screws drilled in his.
Speaker 2: That's so funny, brilliant. It just looks like Texas, it
Speaker 2: really does.
Speaker 1: They're talking to the like lawyer guy, consible, conjugal visis
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure guys like kick someone's ass or
Speaker 1: becomes it everything ask.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Oh, it's just.
Speaker 1: This subtlety ugh oh man, we need we need another
Speaker 1: mic judge joint.
Speaker 2: We really do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you watch Silicon Valley?
Speaker 2: No, it's on my list, I do, And I would
Speaker 2: say that's probably reflective of the current, you know, work
Speaker 2: environment as much as this was twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Ago, I recommend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard, I heard, but you know, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: you were talking about Severance. I mean Severance was inspired
Speaker 2: by Office Space.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, dude, the guy talk about that.
Speaker 2: The creator Yeah, yeah, literally cited office Space as an inspiration.
Speaker 1: Oh funny. Yeah, Oh that's great. By the way, I just,
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, the guy's drinking an MGD there.
Speaker 1: When I was twenty one and working at Hulahans and
Speaker 1: going to TGI Fridays afterwards, I don't know why I
Speaker 1: didn't have a beer. I didn't really underage drink much,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, uh, I think I saw
Speaker 1: someone with an MGD and I was like MGD, and
Speaker 1: like somehow that became my beer. And they don't sell
Speaker 1: it out here really, and so whenever I go back
Speaker 1: to the Midwest, I'm always like MGD please. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny seeing him drink it here touch at home,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, I guess in the South here, but so
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole thing with with Joanna having slept
Speaker 1: with Lumberg.
Speaker 2: Originally it was actually Lumberg.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and they they changed that. I think I think smartly.
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 1: I think so too, because we are conditioned to not
Speaker 1: like this person, and it would you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't want her associated with him, the guy who
Speaker 1: would let someone work without getting paid and put them
Speaker 1: into a basement with a single exactly right.
Speaker 2: And and her point is well made, like, well, I
Speaker 2: knew him two years ago before, you you know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But that was I find it interesting. That
Speaker 2: was a studio note, and you know, sometimes the studio
Speaker 2: does give good notes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Although one of their notes was was Peter isn't smiling enough?
Speaker 2: And I just find that fascinating on so many levels
Speaker 2: because I'm like, what, what do you think this movie's about? Right?
Speaker 2: Apparently that was the the pressure that they were putting
Speaker 2: on Mike Judge, like make him smile more, find somebody
Speaker 2: else to play him. And Livingston knew nothing about this,
Speaker 2: and he thought out.
Speaker 1: That's good because it would in his head.
Speaker 2: He would get in his head. Right, But that's the
Speaker 2: beauty of it is. He plays the movie completely straight,
Speaker 2: and that's what makes it funny, right, the whole the
Speaker 2: So this right here with with Gary Cole where he's shirtless,
Speaker 2: and I was just as I'm watching this sequence, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what was that like to film?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Totally right, Like somebody's got their feet up and you know,
Speaker 2: there's Gary Cole with his shirt off, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's that just a normal day of shooting.
Speaker 1: You know that's true? He is at work? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I imagine that would be kind of awkward.
Speaker 2: Like I suspect whoever's legs they are, they probably had
Speaker 2: some pants that were hiked up there. Sure, sure, yeah
Speaker 2: like that, but regardless, a weird shot to frame right,
Speaker 2: totally yeah. Mike Judge talked about how this character stand
Speaker 2: was specifically inspired by somebody that he saw while he
Speaker 2: was at I don't want to say, like a Kinko's
Speaker 2: or something like that, just being really like passive aggressive,
Speaker 2: belittling some young lady who's working there. Oh interesting, And
Speaker 2: he was like, God, what an asshole? And so that
Speaker 2: became this character.
Speaker 1: Man. That's the trick, isn't it like to take all
Speaker 1: the things you observe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the that's the sort of interesting
Speaker 2: thing because because in these scenarios, right, if you're a
Speaker 2: manager at a at a little local eatery like this,
Speaker 2: or if you're a mid you know, middle management at
Speaker 2: some company, you sort of you you you want to
Speaker 2: project power, and so that manifests in these kind of
Speaker 2: passive aggressive ways, right right, and and definitely like I
Speaker 2: I I look at this, and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 2: never want to be like that ever, you know. And
Speaker 2: and and yet again, like I said earlier, I mean,
Speaker 2: we've all had those bosses, you know. I know.
Speaker 1: It's funny because it's so opposite of how I feel,
Speaker 1: where if I was mistreated, I want to be the
Speaker 1: guy who does things differently that's right, and makes someone
Speaker 1: else's experience different than the one that I had. It's
Speaker 1: just fascinating that so many people then flip that and like,
Speaker 1: well now it's my turn. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2: It's kind of well, you know, it's a Mike Judge
Speaker 2: described Lumberg as sort of embodying the Peter principle, right,
Speaker 2: which is that people sort of reach their their maximum
Speaker 2: level of what's the word, like they sort of max
Speaker 2: out at wherever they are in terms of what they're
Speaker 2: not able to do. So you move through an organization,
Speaker 2: you reach a point where you're like, you're not really
Speaker 2: suited for that, and you just kind of end up
Speaker 2: stuck there, right, And so at any given stage of
Speaker 2: an organization like this, you've got people in charge who
Speaker 2: are not suited to do that job. M yeah, it
Speaker 2: just sounded like lumbers.
Speaker 1: I know. I actually I realized that as I did,
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like you see that a lot
Speaker 1: of movie studios where it's like, sure, well these people
Speaker 1: have worked their way, they've put in their time, or
Speaker 1: they're done something kind of impressive, so they put them
Speaker 1: in these roles that they might not actually be suited for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, making creative choices and things. Here we go.
Speaker 2: This is the actual quote. So the book is called
Speaker 2: the Peter principle, developed by Lawrence J. Peter, which observes
Speaker 2: that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to quote
Speaker 2: a level of respective incompetence. Employees are promoted based on
Speaker 2: their success in previous jobs until they reach a level
Speaker 2: at which they are no longer competent, as skills in
Speaker 2: one job do not necessarily translate to another, and then
Speaker 2: they just kind of stay there.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Oh man, it just sounds depressing you just talking
Speaker 1: about it, right, But maybe because of the images I'm
Speaker 1: looking at on the screen too. So we have this
Speaker 1: like birthday, you know, off birthday gathering and.
Speaker 2: They're singing it like it's a funeral.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yess. Have you ever been in with
Speaker 1: your job like this kind of birthday group passing around
Speaker 1: cake kind of situation?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't, you know, because because for twenty years
Speaker 2: I've been a teacher, and most of my job involves
Speaker 2: going from one school to another. So I have my
Speaker 2: set schedule. I go, I do my thing, I leave,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And on the one hand, that can
Speaker 2: be sort of isolating, Yeah, but there's also something gratifying about,
Speaker 2: you know, I've got a specific task I have to go,
Speaker 2: I have to impart this lesson. I do that, and
Speaker 2: then I move on, you know, yep, and I get
Speaker 2: to see the results of my work. And I managed
Speaker 2: to sidestep a lot of the you know, corport office
Speaker 2: type stuff that I just would not have a particularly
Speaker 2: interest in, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I gotta say, I mean I've been pretty
Speaker 1: recently even I've been at places that have done birthday
Speaker 1: things like that. I actually I think they're great. I
Speaker 1: think what that scene is really trying to convey is
Speaker 1: what I was talking about earlier with the you know,
Speaker 1: we're we have record profits. Here's like a Domino's pizza,
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing. But yeah, I've actually
Speaker 1: kind of appreciated when they try to make special events
Speaker 1: and bring in desserts and you know, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's a holiday, like so we got you guys you
Speaker 1: know from like Portos down the street, brought in some
Speaker 1: pastries or something. It's always nice.
Speaker 2: You have to imagine that a lot of the last
Speaker 2: twenty five years, companies have looked at office space and
Speaker 2: tried to avoid its. Example, Yeah, you know, sort of
Speaker 2: like music biopics look at Dewey Cox and try to
Speaker 2: avoid what that movie does.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you're totally right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if if Fridays is like okay, no
Speaker 2: more flair, you know, right right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder how many people were coming in and
Speaker 1: commenting on it and sort of laughing about.
Speaker 2: It right after this movie, acting like like Brian the Server,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, not not you, Brian, Brian, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah yeah, this right here, they're looking up
Speaker 2: with laundering.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, we have all this money, what do
Speaker 1: we do? Well, we could try to launder it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is that so relatable? It's funny because I mean
Speaker 1: I know what it is now, but I remember seeing
Speaker 1: this for the first time and being like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what money laundering is.
Speaker 2: I've heard about it, I've heard tell.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I want to tell a story, but then
Speaker 1: Orlando Jones is coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to wait for I don't want to
Speaker 2: stuff on it.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's such a small role, but it's
Speaker 1: so so makes such an impact.
Speaker 2: I can't even tell how many times in my life.
Speaker 2: You know, my name is Steve.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's right right now.
Speaker 2: I'm off for trying to stay clean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which apparently he said that he was imitating his
Speaker 1: niece the way that she would sell Girl Scott cookies.
Speaker 2: Going door to door.
Speaker 1: That's so funny, isn't that funny? I mean you think
Speaker 1: about it now, you're like, oh, yeah, he is kind
Speaker 1: of imitating like a kid.
Speaker 2: Hi, my name is Steve, so both Orlando Jones and
Speaker 2: David Herman were on Matt TV when that show first started.
Speaker 2: That's that's cool, and they were the ones when that
Speaker 2: show first started. They were the ones. I was like,
Speaker 2: these guys are hilarious.
Speaker 1: You know, I love to Yeah. They're like, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you have like a criminal background. Cuts him like, look, guys,
Speaker 1: we're asking you to do it. We just want to
Speaker 1: know how to do it. That's a clever little button
Speaker 1: where he now is aware of their crime, and so
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, well do something for me.
Speaker 2: So funny.
Speaker 1: Wait, did you ever have to sell magazines? Did you
Speaker 1: ever do that for school?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to do that. It was a fundraiser.
Speaker 1: Now I think about it, I wonder what that money
Speaker 1: went toward. Yeah, yeah, because you know, that was the
Speaker 1: thing you had the kids whose parents would bring the
Speaker 1: catalog to school and get all their coworkers to do it.
Speaker 1: My dad was like, I don't want to make my
Speaker 1: coworkers and I have to buy a magazine for my kids.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because at the time I was like,
Speaker 1: but dud, yeah, But now I'm like, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I totally I respect that.
Speaker 2: That's really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we would get you know, some sort of
Speaker 1: like waterproof.
Speaker 2: Forty subscriptions to vibe. Yeah. No, the the what you're describing, Like,
Speaker 2: I totally am. If I'm the coworker who's forced to
Speaker 2: like look at the kids subscriptions, I'd be like, oh god,
Speaker 2: you know, so I respect your dad for being like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to put them through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I'm like debating and telling a story.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm just gonna tell it. So, So I
Speaker 1: was at this job and they would have like a
Speaker 1: birthday call, okay, right, and so it was like over
Speaker 1: like zoom, right because of COVID stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh sure.
Speaker 1: And so they wanted to do something because we used
Speaker 1: to do the in person birthday things where we'd get
Speaker 1: together around a table and have cake and stuff. So
Speaker 1: they wanted to make it fun still over zoom. So
Speaker 1: they asked a couple of us to record a song.
Speaker 1: So me and some people covered the Beatles birthday song.
Speaker 1: They say it's your Birthday and made a video and
Speaker 1: we're in the video, you know, like wow, thank God,
Speaker 1: not dancing or anything. It's just still images of us
Speaker 1: holding our guitars and basses and things. Anyway, so I
Speaker 1: played like once a month, and it would be like
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassing but also kind of amusing to me
Speaker 1: just seeing this thing play every month on our birth
Speaker 1: they calls and then I am no longer at this place,
Speaker 1: but I have people telling me that they still play
Speaker 1: the video. So even though like almost everyone in that
Speaker 1: video has moved on, that video once a month continues
Speaker 1: to live a life somewhere with people having to get
Speaker 1: together for this zoom birthday gathering.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Okay, that's kind of nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny. I feel like I read something about
Speaker 1: this Judge, but I've forgotten it, and that's a terrible anecdote.
Speaker 2: That Judge, the actor I know him from he's in
Speaker 2: Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Oh, who's your play?
Speaker 2: He's like he's the head of or he's like part
Speaker 2: of the os Corp board. You know.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're out, Norman. Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he says, okay, you know, and he does
Speaker 2: his little Willem Dafoe does his does his evil evil
Speaker 2: look at him?
Speaker 1: Does he turn into a cartoon skeleton?
Speaker 2: He does? He's certainly does at that.
Speaker 1: So you know what's interesting. I read that judge says
Speaker 1: he wish he wishes he could go back and redo
Speaker 1: the third act.
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention this, Yeah, do you know what
Speaker 2: he means specifically, dude, I was about to say, I
Speaker 2: don't know what he's talking about, because I think it
Speaker 2: all comes together with a nice little bow wrapped around it.
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's perfect. I mean, maybe the
Speaker 1: Peter Joanna thing's a little thin or something or makes
Speaker 1: him look a little like unkind towards her, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole scheme thing seems perfect.
Speaker 2: But with regards to that, I really like how they
Speaker 2: tie that relationship up, you know, I think it's very sweet.
Speaker 1: Exactly he grows up a little bit. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that for me, And you know, this
Speaker 2: is a conversation. You and I tend to have a lot,
Speaker 2: you know. I appreciate when your character has a moral
Speaker 2: compass and the fact that the resolutionist movie ultimately revolves
Speaker 2: around the main character making a choice to do the
Speaker 2: right thing and accept whatever consequences will come. The fact
Speaker 2: that those consequences don't come is irrelevant to the fact
Speaker 2: that he did make that decision and he did follow
Speaker 2: through on it.
Speaker 1: I think that exactly exactly. Yeah, I agree, I do
Speaker 1: love that. That's very clever and it's ultimately satisfying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was willing to turn himself in.
Speaker 2: This right here, right where what she's telling him like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you don't you'll, maybe you'll never like
Speaker 2: your job, but you have to go find the thing
Speaker 2: that that will make you happy. And that's I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the eternal dilemma in a nutshell, right, Like, when
Speaker 2: you talk about going into the workforce, you're talking about
Speaker 2: something that you're committing to essentially for the rest of
Speaker 2: your life, right, and that's overwhelming, right, Yeah, And so
Speaker 2: finding that that that balance, I mean, you know we
Speaker 2: were just talking earlier, the work life balance. What does
Speaker 2: that mean?
Speaker 1: Tricky? You know.
Speaker 2: You know my oldest son, you know, and now he's
Speaker 2: applying to colleges and things like that and looking at
Speaker 2: what he's going to do. And one thing I've said is, look,
Speaker 2: you know they say, oh, if you do what you love,
Speaker 2: you'll never work a day in a life, so or
Speaker 2: do what you love, And I'm like that's not really
Speaker 2: always true, right, I'm like, do what you like, sure,
Speaker 2: do something that you like doing. Yeah, it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be your entire identity, but it should be something
Speaker 2: that you don't mind doing right and that you can
Speaker 2: make a living doing.
Speaker 1: You know, yep, I agree with that. It's tough.
Speaker 2: I love that bit right there. He puts the envelope
Speaker 2: under the door and we just there's a beat and
Speaker 2: you see him dive across trying to get it back.
Speaker 1: But to your point, I mean, yeah, his confession, it's
Speaker 1: so perfect because he was willing enough to do it,
Speaker 1: and he did do it. But it's very relatable, like
Speaker 1: have I made a mistake but it's too late, like
Speaker 1: he okay, I will accept the consequences of man, whatever happens.
Speaker 1: But what's so great and satisfying this being a comedy
Speaker 1: and we don't really want to see him go to
Speaker 1: jail or something. Is it's a clever conceit then that
Speaker 1: it gets burnt up. That's right. So yes, he was
Speaker 1: willing to grow and do the right thing, but we
Speaker 1: also get the fun of him not having to pay
Speaker 1: for it. That's right. And it becomes as a result
Speaker 1: of a runner from the entire movie with Milton threatening
Speaker 1: to burn the building down.
Speaker 2: Because of that Stapler, I'm very curious what I said,
Speaker 2: why did Lumberg take that stapler? What a dick? I know,
Speaker 2: I know there's no reason to do that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, Like I I don't know it. It doesn't
Speaker 2: feel particularly rushed or or thrown together, you know, m hm, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just curious if he had a different idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of Milton, I was reading about
Speaker 1: Mike Judge and how much he hated the marketing campaign
Speaker 1: for the movie. I do remember the poster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with the with the post it's on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a man and it looks like covered
Speaker 1: and post its. Yeah yeah. Judge was like, well, he
Speaker 1: looks like a mummy or a big bird or a
Speaker 1: beat keeper. Like it's very confusing. Yeah, and then he said,
Speaker 1: I guess the tagline is works.
Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, we have to appreciate one
Speaker 2: of one of the best lines and the best line
Speaker 2: deliveries right here. Watch out for your corn hole, Bud.
Speaker 2: It's good advice, Brian, good advice in this life, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you. But yeah, no, I think, well no, yeah,
Speaker 2: so the guy covered in post it notes it says
Speaker 2: work sucks, and Judge was like, it looks like a
Speaker 2: home depot ad or an office depot ad and uh
Speaker 2: so then he insisted when it came out on home
Speaker 2: video that.
Speaker 1: They add a character to it. So that's why you
Speaker 1: have Milton peeking out from behind that post.
Speaker 2: Well he wasn't even crazy about that.
Speaker 1: It's very yeah, no, I agree, it's very subtle. And
Speaker 1: also it's like your weirdest character.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, you know, it's funny when we talk
Speaker 2: about Ron Livingstone and just sort of the right tone
Speaker 2: that he found. Mike Judge again, he talked about how,
Speaker 2: you know, he had people coming in reading and they
Speaker 2: were doing like Dawson's Creek style line readings and like
Speaker 2: really just like you know, like like really just overly dramatic,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And what you realize is, God, there
Speaker 2: are so many pit stops along the highway that could.
Speaker 1: Utterly wreck your movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to you have to have an
Speaker 2: iron clad concept of what you are trying to do
Speaker 2: and stick to it no matter what.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Right, Like, Okay, the movie tanked initially and it did
Speaker 2: whatever it did. But at the very least Mike Judge
Speaker 2: gets to say, look, I made the movie I wanted
Speaker 2: to make, and history has been on my side. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: as opposed to selling out whichever way, and you're like,
Speaker 2: well it flopped and I don't like this, that and
Speaker 2: the other thing, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yep, which really says something about his station in
Speaker 1: this moment that he was able to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That executives weren't crazy about a lot of the decisions,
Speaker 1: but they're like, well, Mike Judge's hot right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we're talking about Tom Rothman, and
Speaker 2: I mean, to his credit, I think Tom Rothman, you know,
Speaker 2: during the time he was heading up Fox was somewhat
Speaker 2: of a controversial figure, you know, for some of the
Speaker 2: decisions you would make with regards to the big franchise
Speaker 2: and stuff. But at least when it came to this movie,
Speaker 2: he pushed, he pushed back, but he ultimately trusted Mike Judge.
Speaker 2: You know, the thing we were talking about with the
Speaker 2: Gangster app for example, he said, look, okay, if the
Speaker 2: audience goes with it, then we'll leave it. He never
Speaker 2: brought it up again after that, and so you have
Speaker 2: to give the guy credit, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, and it is nice seeing Peter find
Speaker 1: his thing. Yes here at the end, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: when he has the free time, he wants to be outdoors,
Speaker 1: he wants to be fishing, do things with his hands.
Speaker 1: So this feels like a good fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to.
Speaker 1: Work construction and it's a fun little you know, getting
Speaker 1: to see that he's actually fixing the building that burned
Speaker 1: down and finds Milton Stapler and.
Speaker 2: It's good, nice little little koda. Oh, it's perfect and
Speaker 2: perfect last line for the character.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I say it all the time like him.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing, by the way, is they wanted
Speaker 2: to I mean, not unreasonably. The studio wanted to make
Speaker 2: this a PG. Thirteen and obviously the sheer, you know,
Speaker 2: the panorama of cussing makes that absolutely unfeasible. But David
Speaker 2: Herman himself was like, I will make sure this is a.
Speaker 1: Rated R movie. It's really funny. It's funny. It's one
Speaker 1: of those movies where I don't really think about it.
Speaker 1: It's just maybe because it is a natural fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's exactly it, you know, And so
Speaker 2: much of the dialogue is quotable, including the swears. You
Speaker 2: just roll with it.
Speaker 1: Seeing Milton got a happy ending.
Speaker 2: Too, exactly well, and well, it is a little bit
Speaker 2: like the end of Silence of the Lambs where Hannibal
Speaker 2: Lecter is out in the world, because you're like this,
Speaker 2: this pyromaniac is now you know, running free.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of a terrorist.
Speaker 2: So doesn't this end credit sequence remind you of the
Speaker 2: movies we used to make.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly? Yeah, yeah, well, meaning that we would show
Speaker 1: like a little box, yeah, with the character inside doing
Speaker 1: something with the name on the side. That's how we
Speaker 1: used to do our stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for those listening, you know, Brian and I
Speaker 2: and our little code rat of fellow fellow miscreants. We'd
Speaker 2: grab a camera and run around shooting hoping. I mean literally,
Speaker 2: the stuff we made was was after Office Space, so
Speaker 2: I have to imagine that it was at least tacitly
Speaker 2: inspired by this, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably. I've always been a fan of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, in the right circumstance, some of we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have them, but you know, like Predator and the Predator
Speaker 1: something kind of fun about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seeing the actual people. So in terms of the
Speaker 2: box office, you know, this movie cost ten million and
Speaker 2: had twelve point two million when all of a sudden done.
Speaker 2: So it is a loss, but it's not a staggering loss,
Speaker 2: and it's like, can't we have more ten million dollar swings?
Speaker 1: Oh man? Seriously?
Speaker 2: Right, Like, even in this day and age, ten million
Speaker 2: dollars would get you another movie such as Office Space.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna date this commentary, but I saw
Speaker 1: a movie recently called Presence, which is a Steven Soderberg movie,
Speaker 1: and I want to say it was made for like
Speaker 1: three million dollars. And the whole idea is it's a
Speaker 1: movie from the point of view of a ghost in
Speaker 1: a house. So the entire film is the camera is
Speaker 1: the ghosts POV and there's a family living there and
Speaker 1: the ghost is moving around and doing class and observing things.
Speaker 2: That sounds really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and three million bucks, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: you what do you got to lose? And it makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's just in one house, you got four actors, you know,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I wish that major studios would support reasonable
Speaker 1: swings like that more often.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what have you got to lose?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean that's ten million dollars is
Speaker 2: chump change in the big picture. And I would say,
Speaker 2: after twenty five years, they've made that money back, like
Speaker 2: they're you know, what I mean this, this movie does
Speaker 2: not no longer belongs in the loss column. Absolutely, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: And and you know, sometimes it's worth it, you know.
Speaker 2: I wish I wish we'd get more of these. You know,
Speaker 2: I think this is kind of a singular film, and
Speaker 2: it's hard to think of something as singularly clever as
Speaker 2: this in the in the in the interim, you know,
Speaker 2: about the same subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, when you spend less, you can
Speaker 1: take bigger swings. And it's nice that we get to
Speaker 1: see Mike Judge's voice unfiltered here, and we think about
Speaker 1: all the people who have brilliant, observational kind of voices
Speaker 1: that a lot of people would enjoy seeing and support
Speaker 1: and make it a success. But we don't get to
Speaker 1: see those people because either they don't have the opportunity
Speaker 1: or because a large amount of he's being spent they
Speaker 1: have to change everything and make something that fits in
Speaker 1: a box that happens to be popular at the moment,
Speaker 1: and then we miss out, We miss out on office space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we would ended up with the fat boy
Speaker 2: Slim on the soundtrack for instance, exactly. It wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been a great fit. No disrespect to fat boy Slim,
Speaker 2: but it's a.
Speaker 1: Great album, not right for this movie. Yeah. By the way,
Speaker 1: a credit we're watching the credits now, A credit I've
Speaker 1: never forgotten. I remember seeing this all the way back
Speaker 1: in the day. Is it says this film was cut
Speaker 1: entirely on a computer.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: And I remember back then thinking, yeah, they're starting to
Speaker 1: do that, Like this isn't that weird crossover moment where
Speaker 1: I when I was doing film classes at College of DuPage,
Speaker 1: I was using like decks, editing decks, that's right, right,
Speaker 1: And I remember Sean had the editing software and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, show me how it works. And now
Speaker 1: that's the industry standard. That's just what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it no longer merits a credit.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I feel ancient after hearing that.
Speaker 1: I know, a moment in time.
Speaker 2: It really is geez. Yeah, the the lesson here and
Speaker 2: you know you referred to Austin Powers earlier, and it's
Speaker 2: almost like both of these movies sort of belong together
Speaker 2: in that regard, right, because Austin Powers is another one
Speaker 2: that nobody, nobody watched when it came out initially, and
Speaker 2: it really did become something magical once it came to
Speaker 2: home video and then it you know, now, you know,
Speaker 2: even people haven't seen Austin Powers. No, Austin Powers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, it feels like those those are the
Speaker 2: risks that these studios should be taking more of, as
Speaker 2: opposed to mounting the umpteenth remake of whatever or the
Speaker 2: umpteenth sequel to whatever. Right, you know, we never got
Speaker 2: a sequel to this, thank goodness. Yeah, we don't need it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Worth mentioning, by the way, that when when when the
Speaker 2: Office was being brought over to the United States, Mike
Speaker 2: Judge was involved in the earliest goings. Oh interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think he he dropped. I mean Greg Daniels,
Speaker 2: who was his partner on King of the Hill, was
Speaker 2: in charge of the Office, right, So so Mike Judge
Speaker 2: was involved in the early stages and I think, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, some of the commentary about I think it
Speaker 2: was like he got he was sent like, you know,
Speaker 2: reviews of the British Office and some of the things
Speaker 2: like oh it's it's it's to something like oh it's
Speaker 2: better than that American movie office Space or something like that,
Speaker 2: and he's like, wow, okay, well, but.
Speaker 1: I feel like he did it. He covered his ground.
Speaker 1: And when you do Silicon Valley, that's a very different
Speaker 1: set different.
Speaker 2: And and and let's face it, you would not have
Speaker 2: the Office without office Space. Yeah, no matter like the
Speaker 2: British incarnation, you know. But what a movie, man, This
Speaker 2: was fun. This is a great conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't get tired of this movie. This is one
Speaker 1: of those ones too. I mean it has burned into
Speaker 1: my brain. I could probably karaoke a good percentage of it.
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Speaker 2: There you go, and with that on behalf of my
Speaker 2: partner Brian Home. My name is Zachie Asam. This has
Speaker 2: been our commentary track for Office Space Kitchen Next time.
Speaker 2: Thanks Folkes