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<v Speaker 1>Welcome friends. The podcasts podcast is done. Jacky again Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>They're talking about buying podcast from Mike Judge, creator of

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<v Speaker 2>Beatus and Bunhead and co creator of King of the Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Comes a movie about people who go to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are part of a team.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember next Friday is Hawaiian Shirt Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I could fit the building unfired and need to escape.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like my job and I don't think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go anymore. It looks like you've been missing quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of work lately. Well, I wouldn't say I've

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<v Speaker 2>been missing it. Bob. You haven't been shown up and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to keep your job. Actually, I'm being promoted.

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<v Speaker 2>I Intertech deserves to go down. We're just the guys

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Tell me about that virus you're always

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, one that could rip off the company for

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of money. I'm not good to do anything

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<v Speaker 2>illegal to illegal. This is Amrita. Welcome to a movie

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<v Speaker 2>film commentary track. My name is Zachie Hasan. I'm here

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<v Speaker 2>with Brian Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Zachi, what's happening? Brian?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a case of the mondays.

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>So we're here to watch office Space This is a

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<v Speaker 2>movie that celebrated it's twenty fifth anniversary about a year ago.

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<v Speaker 2>As we're recording this, and you know, just like the

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<v Speaker 2>speed of business, we're like, you know, we got to it,

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<v Speaker 2>when we got to it. Yeah, this has been on

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<v Speaker 2>our to do list for a while, so I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>we finally get to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is like such a classic. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just saying before we started, like, I know this movie

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<v Speaker 1>top to bottom. Yeah, and it's just one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that maybe you even sort of take it for

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<v Speaker 1>granted for that reason, And so I can't believe we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't gotten to this yet. This is gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a fun, fun conversation. So we are

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<v Speaker 2>here to talk through Mike Judges cult classic from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine, a comedy that truly was ahead of its

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<v Speaker 2>time because it did not find its audience until long

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<v Speaker 2>after it left the theaters. But hey, we're we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go through it. If you want to watch along with this,

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<v Speaker 2>you certainly can't do that. If not, we'll try to

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<v Speaker 2>keep our conversation engaging enough to keep you company while

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<v Speaker 2>you're while you're driving, while while you're stuck in traffic

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<v Speaker 2>as you move from one lane to the next, desperately

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<v Speaker 2>trying to trying to move a few inches ahead, you know, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>And there is just the one cut. And I will

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<v Speaker 2>go so far as to say it is it is

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect cut, Thank goodness. It is exactly what it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm, A trim little ninety minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, So I'm cute up on my end about you, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to go, all right, So we'll do the

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<v Speaker 2>usual thing. I will go to count to three, one,

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<v Speaker 2>two three, play and here we go. Ready, one, two

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<v Speaker 2>three play.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you remember this movie being in theaters?

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<v Speaker 2>Not only do I remember it being in theaters. I

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<v Speaker 2>and this is this is absolutely true. Some people are

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<v Speaker 2>like Zaki. You're always there at these historically significant moments

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to movies. In nineteen ninety nine, I

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<v Speaker 2>was there on opening night for two movies, Office Space

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<v Speaker 2>and The Sixth Sense, And I get to claim I

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<v Speaker 2>watched this movie in a virtually empty theater. It was

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<v Speaker 2>myself in a small group of friends, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>literally like, well, we would just hang out and watch movies,

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<v Speaker 2>and this happened to be the new movie that week,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was, and I wrote a review for

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<v Speaker 2>the College You Do Page newspaper. I was way ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of the curve on office space and it was Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember it being like, oh that was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, I My stomach was hurting. I was laughing

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<v Speaker 2>so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was. This was one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>where everybody I met I'd be like, you gotta watch this,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta watch this, you know. So yeah I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was at the leading edge of office space. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very proud to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is just so this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you just hear this?

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear the music, Yeah, I mean this, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there's so much to get into. The soundtrack to

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<v Speaker 1>this is so unexpected and perfect. Yeah, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we have to compliment the opening, the sequence

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<v Speaker 1>of him in traffic trying to figure out which is

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<v Speaker 1>the quickest lane and whatever lane he's not in, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the quickest lane. Yeah. And the editing is so amazing

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<v Speaker 1>on this, just selling the frustration well.

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<v Speaker 2>And and what's really so great, right, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of those things where you can just go

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<v Speaker 2>down the list at everything that works and so right

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<v Speaker 2>right up up top of Ron Livingston as Peter, and

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<v Speaker 2>this truly is perfect casting, and especially when you realize

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<v Speaker 2>the studio wanted Matt Damon, yes, which I could almost

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<v Speaker 2>see a version of like present day Matt Damon in.

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<v Speaker 1>This yeah yeah yeah, or even then I can understand

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<v Speaker 1>the thinking, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A different movie. It's very different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This scene David Herman just doing his rap and then

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<v Speaker 2>he like a black guy comes near and he just

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly locks his door so funny, well and turns.

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<v Speaker 1>The music down exactly like he's just like screaming these

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics and like, and then he slowly turns it down,

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<v Speaker 1>locks his door, then turns the music back up.

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<v Speaker 2>A Jay Nadu. I love his character in this movie

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<v Speaker 2>so good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to ask you, are you Are you

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<v Speaker 1>a person that like kind of blasts music but when

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<v Speaker 1>you get to a stop light you turn it down

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<v Speaker 1>just because there are people around?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, well, I mean, what am I blasting?

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<v Speaker 1>Like Phil Collins, I'm not even just saying the content

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<v Speaker 1>of the music, but I'm like one of those people

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm driving and I'm probably like yelling along to

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<v Speaker 1>the lyrics like yeah, But then you get to like

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<v Speaker 1>a stoplight or something, and I turn it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I do not turn my music down. But I

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<v Speaker 2>can't say. I can't say I've thought about it, know

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm blasting it loud enough to even be heard

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<v Speaker 2>outside of my car.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe I'm just an insecure person.

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<v Speaker 2>We're learning all kinds of things about Brian today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, if anyway, sorry you were about to say something.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. The the the mix of characters here, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>all they're all played by actors who who were familiar

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<v Speaker 2>to varying degrees, like at this point I had already

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<v Speaker 2>seen Swingers, so I knew Ron Linston from that. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew David Herman from from from Mad TV so and

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<v Speaker 2>then of course Gary Cole. I think I knew Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Cole from from The Brady Bunch of Movies probably, But

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<v Speaker 2>it's all familiar, Phace. It's all character actors. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it helps that they are. They all seem like

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<v Speaker 2>people you would encounter in your everyday life. There aren't

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<v Speaker 2>any real movie stars in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, which I you know you already said, but Fox

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<v Speaker 1>wanted there to be, but Mike Judge insisted, like no,

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<v Speaker 1>there can't. These characters cannot have star power. It will

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<v Speaker 1>take away from who they are in this film, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he he's of course absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, you know, oftentimes the advice screenwriters

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<v Speaker 2>who are trying to break in are given is write

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<v Speaker 2>what you know, right, And this is like a textbook

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<v Speaker 2>example of how write what you know can bear such

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<v Speaker 2>perfect fruit, right, because Mike Judge spoke from his own

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<v Speaker 2>experience working in one of these corporate drone type jobs

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of the soul deadening experience that he had

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<v Speaker 2>where he was literally like alphabetizing work orders, which just

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like the definition of busy work, you know, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was he talked about how it was so

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<v Speaker 2>soul crushing because he couldn't even daydream because he would

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<v Speaker 2>lose his place.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, It's so.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad, right, And so taking all of that frustration and

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<v Speaker 2>channeling it into you know what started as these animated

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<v Speaker 2>shorts on liquid Television, you know, Milton featuring Lumber, and

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<v Speaker 2>then of course that went to SNL and then you

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<v Speaker 2>know it just somehow it ends up his soul deadening

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<v Speaker 2>nightmare becomes this sort of primal scream that at this

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<v Speaker 2>point several generations can relate to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and it's yeah, it's amazing because you can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine a lot of versions then that would come out

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<v Speaker 1>of a person from these experiences. But this is just

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<v Speaker 1>such a perfect little gem, you know, with its characters,

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<v Speaker 1>with its situations, and just it's amazing the things that

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<v Speaker 1>he was able to recollect, things that feel so lived in,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the moment we just saw where he was approaching

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<v Speaker 1>the door to enter the bullten but he knows it

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<v Speaker 1>will shock his finger if he touches it. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because it does. And what's great is it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the biggest thing in the world, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>this little annoying thing you don't want to happen. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make you want to walk through those doors every morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's something that must have happened to him

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<v Speaker 1>and to have the presence of mind to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to use that, you know, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>can watch that and just know that soul deadening feeling

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<v Speaker 2>It's especially you know, a cogent observation of just of

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<v Speaker 2>just the day to day drudgery that you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>of the furniture and the and the floor plan and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this just this looks like offices that we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen or even been in, you know, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know how many times throughout our lives, right, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Judge had this specific vision and they they they

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<v Speaker 2>screen tested each piece of.

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<v Speaker 1>Furniture, oh, to see how it would look on film.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly to represent his vision of this office, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And he talked about how like, you know, initially it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, you should say it in Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>or do like a like a heightened like a brisk

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<v Speaker 2>zil type Brazil as in the movie Terry Gilliams Brazil.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, no, no, no, like, that's not the point.

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<v Speaker 2>The point is this is just like every town in

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<v Speaker 2>America has an in a tech right you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, Well, he was describing you had these sort

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<v Speaker 1>of office park areas. We have these very boring, nondescript buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with these perfectly manicured little bits of grass,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a mile away are all the food chains.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, your Tgi Friday is your Applebee's. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>so it's so true. I mean I've driven past many

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you know I I I was reading too

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<v Speaker 1>that the studio executives were looking at the dailies and

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't happy because it did look dull, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And and they were giving him notes like dude, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>more energy, more energy. You got to reshoot this. And

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<v Speaker 1>you just really have to admire Judge for being so

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is Mike Judge and they're like, who's Mike Judge,

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<v Speaker 1>Like everybody knows, Okay, I know, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's so perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>he's from Evanston, Illinois, No kidding, he's a he's a

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I like the fact that he approached the character.

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<v Speaker 2>So he he plays him as Jordanian and he plays

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that, you know that, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna say, he feels like an authentic person, not a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, notice me.

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<v Speaker 2>The most disgusting ass coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Riley one of the great character actors.

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<v Speaker 1>So good. It's a jump to conclusions, man, well oh wait,

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<v Speaker 2>Then, and then he's trying to explain how he's a

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<v Speaker 1>By the way right there, that's just that static and

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<v Speaker 1>so many areas that look like that. It's just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then well we we uh it comes up many times.

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<v Speaker 1>But the the TPS report, which is hilarious. It's such

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<v Speaker 1>a great runner where how you can just start to

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<v Speaker 1>feel beaten down because someone mentions, hey, you forgot the thing. Okay, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, I'll get on that, and then another person

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<v Speaker 1>managers and you're being overmanaged and everyone's reminding you of

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I got it, and it's this nothing bit

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<v Speaker 2>of minutia, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly exactly it.

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<v Speaker 2>It ultimately amounts to nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cover sheet on your TPS report, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think about the fact that I mean I never

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<v Speaker 2>like a cubicle jockey job. And and I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about like how office space probably played at least

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<v Speaker 2>some part in my decision to actively steer away from

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid Yeah, you know, not not not in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that was at the forefront of my thinking, but

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<v Speaker 2>M like, I don't know if I want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember by the by the time this movie

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<v Speaker 2>came up, my brother had been working in this environment

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years now, and I remember he

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was like, well, okay, good, good, good,

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<v Speaker 2>truly noted, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a is this where he's like PC

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<v Speaker 1>load letters right, No, I love some meres thing.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had a million dollars, I would call my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah there is yeah, yeah, he actually has like a plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like TPS report and PC load letter, these have

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of become part of the vernacular by themselves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>as like shorthand for for just like like PC load

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I think about it all the time. Yeah, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I looked it up because I was curious

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<v Speaker 1>what it means, because I actually have gotten that before.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's, uh, it's when a printer doesn't recognize the

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<v Speaker 1>refil the refill of letter sized paper. So PC means

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<v Speaker 1>paper cartridge.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, Michael, That's that's what that means the

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<v Speaker 2>whole With regards to Michael. By the way, David Herman

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<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't play the character broad and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it's funny. Yes, right, But he was the

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<v Speaker 2>first person who, like like Mike Judge wrote the movie

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<v Speaker 2>with him and mine for the part. Everyone else, he

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of like he had people read for. But

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<v Speaker 2>he knew he wanted David Herman because he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>David Herman would do voices on on King of the

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<v Speaker 2>Hill and stuff. Ah, okay, right, but what and Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Roote also is on King of the Hill by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's funny is that at the time, David Herman

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the regulars on Mad TV. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I knew him from was Mad TV, and he he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't he was not allowed to do anything else while

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but he wanted to do this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so at a table read for Mad TV,

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<v Speaker 2>he was he just started screaming every line in order

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<v Speaker 2>to get himself fired so that he could be in

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<v Speaker 1>And it worked and it worked wow amazing, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Like literally, like like Greg Daniels had told him, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll always have a job, but King of the Hill,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Okay, well I have a fallback.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna I'm gonna torch my my current employment

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. See, I don't know if I have the

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<v Speaker 1>boldness for that sort of thing. But then you see,

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<v Speaker 1>be remembered by. He should be in this movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was it was the right move. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because when I worked at Bob's Burgers, he

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<v Speaker 1>plays mister frond Yes on the show, and we would

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<v Speaker 1>have these table reads literally every Friday. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>coolest thing, by the way, every Friday they would cater breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>Every crew member would go into this room and we'd

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<v Speaker 2>And so the one time he showed up and screamed

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<v Speaker 2>his lines, You're like, okay, I guess he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be on the show anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but no, But I did not it together at

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<v Speaker 1>first that it's really he looks so different now, he

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<v Speaker 1>looks different now, yeah yeah. And then when I realized

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<v Speaker 1>who it was, I blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's yeah, yeah, So Dedrich Bader is is pitch

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<v Speaker 2>perfect as Lawrence right, yes, And and it's endlessly amusing

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<v Speaker 2>to him because de drich Baterer has has such range.

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<v Speaker 2>He's he's amazing, right because he was on he was

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<v Speaker 2>on Drew Carey Show right around the time this was

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<v Speaker 2>being made. But he's you know, he went on to

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's so perfect here because Lawrence is so earnest right,

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<v Speaker 2>like when he's like when he's like under two tricks

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, like he he says it with

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<v Speaker 1>Pure heart, oddly enough, Yes, exactly, Yeah, Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a man who knows himself, you know, because because what

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<v Speaker 1>I read is that that Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>see that, you know, No, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I love both them guys. I just can't see them

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<v Speaker 2>playing this role, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I totally agree. Well, the character is based on

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<v Speaker 1>someone that Judge knew in real life. M M. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he was a neighbor who was a mechanic. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a mechanic, and he said that he was just like

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<v Speaker 1>this guy just was content with his life and he

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sorry, I'll let you finish. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that is a perfect contrast with this scene here right

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<v Speaker 2>where you've got lumber saying ask yourself, is this good

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<v Speaker 2>for the company?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is something that anybody in an office environment

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<v Speaker 2>realize the very real disconnect between workers and the company,

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<v Speaker 2>right like that that is such an abstract statement, is

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<v Speaker 2>this good for the company? Is that going to make

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<v Speaker 2>people work harder or or or make them care? Probably not,

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<v Speaker 2>because what Peter articulates later, right, idea of like what

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<v Speaker 2>does it matter whether I work a little harder or

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<v Speaker 2>not if the company stock price goes up? It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>affect me? Yes, right, And that is so relevant whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about nineteen ninety nine or twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's such a meme now, you see it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time where it's like, you know, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a pizza for you, right, you know, oh wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to the point you're making about the mechanic

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<v Speaker 2>who Mike Judge knew, right, there's a situation where above

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond the money side, and you know, doing Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the fact that I did this work, and here

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<v Speaker 2>is the result of the work I did. This thing

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<v Speaker 2>that was not working is working now. I get to

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<v Speaker 2>see for myself the result of the labor I put in, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's something that's just sort of spiritually enriching about that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>page and whatever work you put in. At the end

426
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<v Speaker 2>of it, you're like, I did this thing. This this

427
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<v Speaker 2>did not exist before it does now and I did

428
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<v Speaker 2>that m Yep, absolutely right. I mean it's incredibly rewarding.

429
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<v Speaker 2>And so what the angst that Mike Judge drilled down

430
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<v Speaker 2>on is that it's you're doing all this work and

431
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<v Speaker 2>other than subsistence, what are you getting out of it?

432
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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, No, I think that's something we can relate to

433
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<v Speaker 1>no matter what year it is. Yeah, by the way,

434
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<v Speaker 1>I've said this in other commentaries or whatever, but I

435
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<v Speaker 1>always get stressed out when I see that bar going

436
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<v Speaker 1>across a computer screen like either he's downloading something or

437
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<v Speaker 1>here he's trying to shut down his computer. It's just

438
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<v Speaker 1>such a relatable thing and when they use it to

439
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<v Speaker 1>create tension in a film, it always works. This is

440
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<v Speaker 1>somebody There's like I mean, I really feel like not

441
00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:59.279
<v Speaker 1>enough can be said about how well directed and edited

442
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<v Speaker 1>this movie is. Yeah, it's a very common I mean,

443
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.720
<v Speaker 1>this is his first live action thing. I believe, that's right,

444
00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and it's so confidently directed and edited for comedy perfection.

445
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<v Speaker 1>You know, it kind of reminds me of John Hughes

446
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<v Speaker 1>a bit, where it's kind of feels a little static,

447
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.359
<v Speaker 1>but the better word is precise, that's right. You know,

448
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:24.319
<v Speaker 1>it's just so sad. He's trying to get out of there,

449
00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:24.799
<v Speaker 1>so you want it.

450
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:26.680
<v Speaker 2>To be that's all he wants is to avoid.

451
00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.759
<v Speaker 1>But you know, going back again to the neighbor character,

452
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<v Speaker 1>uh Dedrich Baterer's character. What I love about Mike Judge

453
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<v Speaker 1>he has always been brilliant at when it was Beavis

454
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<v Speaker 1>and butt Head, this Silicon Valley, even the movie Extract.

455
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<v Speaker 1>He is brilliant with characters. And there are these hyper

456
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<v Speaker 1>specific characters that aren't as specific as We'll just have

457
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Owen Wilson plan and then you'll get it, you know

458
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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Like, they're very very specific types that

459
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<v Speaker 1>you have definitely met in your life, but didn't realize

460
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<v Speaker 1>that you were meeting a type until you see them. Yeah,

461
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>in my Judge stories, you know. Yeah, that's one of

462
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<v Speaker 1>his superpowers. You know.

463
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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing about Ddrik Bater first time I ever

464
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<v Speaker 2>saw him was on this TV show that aired during

465
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<v Speaker 2>the summer of ninety two, I think on Fox called

466
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<v Speaker 2>Danger Theater. H and it was this It was like

467
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<v Speaker 2>a half hour thing with two like eleven minute segments,

468
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<v Speaker 2>and it was like a parody of old timey adventure shows.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the first.

470
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<v Speaker 2>Segment starred d Drich Baterer as this guy who rides

471
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<v Speaker 2>his motorcycle from town to town called the Searcher. That's hilarious, right,

472
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:41.640
<v Speaker 2>and then the second segment was called Tropical Punch, starring

473
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<v Speaker 2>Adam West, and it was like a Hawaii five Oh riff.

474
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<v Speaker 1>I want to watch this.

475
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<v Speaker 2>This is s you look at find it on YouTube

476
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<v Speaker 2>because this is like a Brian Hall style of humor.

477
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<v Speaker 1>Danger Theater.

478
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<v Speaker 2>It's called Danger Theater and it was it was hosted

479
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<v Speaker 2>by Robert Vaughn. So, I mean, you know it really

480
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it was very similar to like look well you.

481
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<v Speaker 1>Know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, The Conan.

482
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:09.400
<v Speaker 2>O'Brien pilot with Adam West very much in that vein tonally.

483
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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, that was the first time I saw Dedrick Bader,

484
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 2>and so he's on my radar for that. Now. It's

485
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<v Speaker 2>somewhat amusing that he had two Batman Batman past Batman

486
00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 2>future happened to be on the same show together.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is funny.

488
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<v Speaker 2>But so when I you know, when when he showed

489
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<v Speaker 2>up on Drew Carrey and so if I recognize him

490
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<v Speaker 2>from that, you.

491
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<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where I first saw.

492
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<v Speaker 2>So so the role of the doctor here, you know,

493
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.519
<v Speaker 2>originally this was Earmark for Stephen Root. Yeah, I could

494
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<v Speaker 2>picture it, you know, because because they weren't they were

495
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<v Speaker 2>gonna have him play the hypnotist and then the other

496
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<v Speaker 2>Bob the consultant he was going to take you know,

497
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<v Speaker 2>but of course he read for Milton. He just nailed it.

498
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<v Speaker 2>He was he was doing an imitation of Mike Judge

499
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<v Speaker 2>as Milton, and he like, did it better than Mike Judge.

500
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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's really funny.

501
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Milton character, this all started with Milton, yes, big,

502
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<v Speaker 2>and that all started because of this guy that Mike

503
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Judge worked with at one of these offices who would

504
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<v Speaker 2>just complain all the time about his desk being moved.

505
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, right, He's like, they moved.

506
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<v Speaker 2>My desk and you know, I'd like being close to

507
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the fish tank. And if they moved my desk one

508
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 2>more time, I'm going to quit. There's literally what do

509
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:25.519
<v Speaker 2>you talk like?

510
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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that incredible? I mean, and just again to Mike

511
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Judge's superpower, he recognizes types. Yeah, and he knew there

512
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 1>was something that could be built out of that person

513
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that probably everybody else in the office ignored.

514
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<v Speaker 2>But here's the other interesting thing, right, So he does

515
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<v Speaker 2>these shorts again. They were on Liquid Television, they were

516
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<v Speaker 2>on SNL And at that point the folks at Fox

517
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>are like, hey, why don't you do Milton as a movie,

518
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and he, very smartly Mike Judge is like, I don't

519
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>think there's a movie there. I don't think there's a

520
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.079
<v Speaker 2>movie in Milton. I don't think we want to see

521
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.559
<v Speaker 2>his life. And at that point they're like, well, how

522
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.559
<v Speaker 2>about something like an like car wash or something ensemble

523
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 2>of people and Milton is one of them, and there

524
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<v Speaker 2>you go, you know, smart amazing.

525
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's interesting, I mean, it's it's strange. That

526
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>this movie did not make an impact in theaters, and similarly,

527
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>two years previous, Austin Powers did not make an impact

528
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>in theaters. But they have since come on to be

529
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.920
<v Speaker 1>gone on to be something that culturally everybody at least

530
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>knows one piece of, right, like a line or a

531
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<v Speaker 1>moment or you know, a situation or something. And it's

532
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.839
<v Speaker 1>just really speaks to the time when these were released,

533
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 1>when a movie could be discovered and become a hit

534
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>later on my video. Right, that's really true, because that's

535
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>that's essentially what happened here where I think what it

536
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>had a ten million dollar budget, It only made twelve

537
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>million dollars in theaters, but it became a runaway hit

538
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>on home video, so much so that Fox wasn't even

539
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>aware of it. They'd just forgotten about the film, and

540
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>then it was brought to their attention, like this thing

541
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 1>is out selling you know, our our higher earning films.

542
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like years later, yeah, yeah.

543
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's just one of those things. And then

544
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of course, I mean I remember having the vhs of this,

545
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.279
<v Speaker 1>and then of course it becomes a staple on Comedy Central,

546
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 1>and then it gets drilled into everybody's brains and because

547
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it's that good. It connects and lives on.

548
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.400
<v Speaker 2>When did you watch it for the first time, Pretty.

549
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Close to it coming out. I think I saw it

550
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 1>when it came out on VHS.

551
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I remember right around the time it hit

552
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 2>home video. I was working at a local TV station,

553
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 2>and that was a it was I guess I could

554
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>talk about this now it's been a quarter century. But

555
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 2>there's like a set of dub racks, you know, and

556
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>you could put like a like a tape from Blockbuster

557
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>and it was just stripped the copy protection right right right,

558
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 2>and so people just made like thirty copies of office

559
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.240
<v Speaker 2>space and just just passed them around.

560
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>You know. Well that's how I first saw The Mummy.

561
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>You made me a copy of The Mummy. Yeah.

562
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<v Speaker 2>I love First of all, Jennifer Aniston is the biggest

563
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>star in this movie. She was the biggest star in

564
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>the movie when it came out.

565
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is like peak friends, right right, And.

566
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I would say she's still like the biggest star in

567
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the movie. That's the funny thing, you know.

568
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.519
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. And she The stipulation Fox gave

569
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Judge was if you're gonna hire these unknowns for the

570
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 1>central characters. You have to have at least one star

571
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>in your movie. So that's why he looked at Jennifer Inoson,

572
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>who does a great job.

573
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>By the way, she's she's very good in this and

574
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>in fact, the whole subplot about her, you know, the

575
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 2>whole Flair Runner was basically added to beef up her role.

576
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<v Speaker 1>Wow. That's interesting. Yeah, And I mean, and that's such

577
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 1>a crucial part of it. Yeah, well and a crucial

578
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>part of what people remember about this movie. Yeah, you know,

579
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>and I mean so much so that I I don't

580
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>know if this is apocryphal or not, but Tgi Friday

581
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>stopped stopped having their servers wear and all those Yeah,

582
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>because of this film. That's amazing.

583
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this part cracks me up. Like as as Tom

584
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:28.119
<v Speaker 2>gets more and more, you know, hunkered down into the

585
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>realization he's about to lose his job. Yeah, and johncy McGinley,

586
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>what what is it that.

587
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>You do here? What would you say.

588
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>It is that you do here?

589
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And he's getting flustered.

590
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm a people person, What the hell is wrong with

591
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>you people?

592
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I love that the evaluators are both named Bob Yep, yep,

593
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the two Bob's. It's like funny. What a funny. I mean,

594
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you could just have those characters and still have the

595
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 1>whole movie, but it's like, let's make them both named Bob,

596
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>just a little extra flourish. Yeah. John C.

597
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Mcginley's obviously very funny. Paul Wilson who he you know,

598
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I know him from Cheers. He played he played the

599
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 2>character Paul on Cheers. Yeah, and he's in like just

600
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>about every season, almost every episode of that show, you know,

601
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, And and he he you know. McGinley talked

602
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.279
<v Speaker 2>about how the two of them had just this great

603
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.559
<v Speaker 2>rapport where they would just improv together. He said it

604
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.440
<v Speaker 2>was like jazz, like they'd just be riffing hmmm, and

605
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 2>he'd end up with with comedy gold. You know.

606
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Now John C.

607
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 2>McGinley read for Lumberg.

608
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I can see that.

609
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I can see it, But I'm also like, you know,

610
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.119
<v Speaker 2>the thing about John C. McGinley, no matter what role

611
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 2>he plays, he's he's he's got this like simmering rage

612
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 2>just underneath the surface.

613
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The word that came of it was like a

614
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 1>little bit of intensity. Yes, and Lumberg needs to lack

615
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>all intensity exactly right, So you realize, like like Gary

616
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Cole Gary cole Is. It's so funny because you can

617
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 1>just plug him into whatever and he's.

618
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Going to do a good job.

619
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, he's great.

620
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Whether he's Mike Brady or or Clint e Stood's boss

621
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 2>in in the Line of Fire, two very different things.

622
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's the voice of Harvey Birdman, attorney at

623
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>law in right, Right, and and with with Lumberg, he's

624
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>again he's just imitating Mike Judge.

625
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing, but it's so iconic.

626
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>That's what I love, right, Like, like you know people

627
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 2>do in the Lumberg imitation. I mean everybody gets it.

628
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Hey, Peter, what's happening.

629
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<v Speaker 2>By the way. The thing about the Michael Bolton, I

630
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<v Speaker 2>ge't I don't even know how many times I've said

631
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<v Speaker 2>some equivalent. Oh, I celebrate his whole catalog.

632
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Me too, too, I celebrate his whole catalog. So funny,

633
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 1>what a funny again, a funny detail. His name could

634
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 1>have just been like Jimmy or something. It's like, what

635
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 1>if his name is Michael Bolton and that like drives

636
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>me crazy.

637
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 2>That's well's what's fun Earlier in the film, right, he talks,

638
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>he talks about how you know.

639
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Everything was fine until I was seven.

640
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Then that no talent ass clown showed up and started

641
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 2>winning Grammys and that line. They had to change it

642
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 2>because originally it was that no singing asshole, right, and

643
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>they were like, well, legally he might be like, hey,

644
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>are you saying I don't sing my own music? Whatever? Right,

645
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>And so they landed on and I think David Herman said,

646
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>like his ex girlfriend at the time was like, oh,

647
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 2>ask clown, and that sounded funny, and so they made

648
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 2>that and I'm like, well, no talent, ask clown is

649
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:34.839
<v Speaker 2>a meaner, but be way funnier.

650
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Way funnier. I mean, I still think of ask clown,

651
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and like, by the way, did you know this? In

652
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, it officially entered Webster's Dictionary. Ask clown, ass clown,

653
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, that's so funny. No talent ass clown, that's brilliant.

654
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>So now you used to work in a restaurant, not

655
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>unlike chochkeys.

656
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:02.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, thankfully, I would say it was a little different,

657
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:08.119
<v Speaker 1>like we was more like flingers. Yes, well, I worked

658
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 1>at a hula hans for people who still have those around,

659
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>They've closed down all over the country. The one that

660
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 1>I used to work at is closed now. But I

661
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>was on a road trip with my dad recently and

662
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 1>I just out of curiosity looked it up and there

663
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>was still one in Kansas or something, and I was like, Dad,

664
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, we have to go off the path just

665
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I have to have a Brent with

666
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 1>chicken sandwich again. But yeah, we had kind of the fun,

667
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>kitchy stuff on the walls. We definitely had that, you know,

668
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.679
<v Speaker 1>a poster of Marilyn Monroe next to you know, like

669
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 1>a reindeer with sunglasses on or something. But like we

670
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the goofy uniforms or the pins or have

671
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 1>to be high energy, thankfully.

672
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember the first time I met you was

673
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 2>at that restaurant, and you were the opposite of high energy.

674
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>You were.

675
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>You were just dead inside and shoved my food at me. No,

676
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's funny though, I mean you were You're

677
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.599
<v Speaker 2>a great server, I should say, just now.

678
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know you're joking, But like, I loved

679
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 1>that job. I'm still close friends. I mean, almost twenty

680
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>years later with some of the people from that place.

681
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 1>It was a lightning in a bottle kind of situation

682
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 1>with the people there. We all got along. We all

683
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>hung out outside of work. We would actually go to

684
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Fridays because they were open so late after we closed

685
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>to hang out and grab a beer. It was a

686
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 1>awesome experience, the exact opposite of what Annison is going

687
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 1>through here.

688
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you were you were. You were not

689
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>unlike the Brian in this movie. As I recalled the

690
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>first time I saw him, because I was coming from work.

691
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I came there from work with a group of my friends.

692
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, man, this sucks, and you're like, gig gigy,

693
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 2>how can I get you guys?

694
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, it doesn't suck our hall Penu poppers.

695
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 2>You know. So ste Stephen Root. Stephen Root is in

696
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, one of the great actors working today.

697
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean right through Barry recently. I mean, he's been

698
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in so many.

699
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Different things, so many things, and he just he just

700
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.840
<v Speaker 2>it just disappears into the character, right because bear in mind,

701
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 2>at the same time he was playing he was filming

702
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>this movie, he was in the middle of his run

703
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.000
<v Speaker 2>on news radio as the Boss. Oh okay, and you

704
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>talk about two characters, we are as different as different

705
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 2>can be, you know.

706
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he.

707
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Talked about how the these coke bottle glasses were so

708
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 2>thick that he had to wear special contacts so that

709
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 2>he could see through them.

710
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

711
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 2>And even then there was no depth perception, so like

712
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 2>he had to rehearse ahead of time where something was.

713
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.559
<v Speaker 2>They're so cruel to him, that's the thing. He's so

714
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 2>pitiful it is.

715
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, of course, I mean it's Stapler. I mean

716
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that was another line you know much steepler, And then

717
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure you know this, but the red Stapler.

718
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.639
<v Speaker 1>The reason they made it red was because they wanted

719
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.800
<v Speaker 1>it to pop on screen, but Swing Line was not

720
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>making them at the time, and they got so many

721
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>requests after this movie that now they sell red staplers.

722
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and Stephen Root has talked about how whenever

723
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 2>he's doing a TV show or whatever and he gets mail,

724
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.199
<v Speaker 2>he always gets staplers to sign.

725
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I want a gift to be an actor, to have that.

726
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, you've got a thing you're identified with that

727
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>people want you to sign.

728
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's funny.

729
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Thinking of the Milton shorts, it's interesting that they were

730
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>on SNL. I knew about the liquid television thing on MTV,

731
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>which for people who don't know that was sort of

732
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a like a collection of weird you know, like indie

733
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 1>style cartoon short films that would just be you know,

734
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes long on MTV when MTV was really cool

735
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and revolutionary and they'd have weird stuff like that, and

736
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, yeah, yeah, but I didn't know

737
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.639
<v Speaker 1>that it had been on SNL. That's interesting. It doesn't

738
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 1>seem like they take a lot of outsiders work these days.

739
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, well, because I mean back then you had you

740
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 2>had the Smigel shorts, right, that was right around then.

741
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean Smiggle was an SNL guy, right.

742
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>That's true. I would imagine that, well, hey, here's something

743
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:25.880
<v Speaker 2>from the creator of Beavis and butthead. Of course we

744
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>want to you know, sure, yeah, Beava's in Butthhead. It

745
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:30.000
<v Speaker 2>was a pretty big deal back then.

746
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess we should talk about that for

747
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a minute. I mean, yeah, Beavis and butthead was huge, huge,

748
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 1>like just kind of It was one of those things

749
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 1>too that I feel like parents hated it immediately because

750
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>it was these two idiots and they were being destructive

751
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 1>and they got into trouble because some of the things

752
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 1>they did, you know, yeah, fire fire, Yeah, constantly talking

753
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:55.039
<v Speaker 1>about fire and then apparently like some kid imitating them.

754
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>See there's always some dumb ass little kid got to

755
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 2>ruin things for everybody else man seriously.

756
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean yeah, I apparently like burned his

757
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>place down, influenced by Beavis and Butted, and I think

758
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>there's an episode where they're throwing things off and overpass

759
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.760
<v Speaker 1>onto cars and some kid did that. And but the

760
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>so at the time, when you're a teenager and you

761
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.760
<v Speaker 1>watch Beavis and butt Heead, you're like, it's funny because

762
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 1>it's just so dumb and it's kind of appealing to

763
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.639
<v Speaker 1>your base instincts. But then when you get older, you're like, oh,

764
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:26.079
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of an amazing satire. Yes exactly, you

765
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 1>know exactly. Yeah, yeah, like that was you could see

766
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 1>how it could be mistaken for just stupidity.

767
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>But well, and and so Mike Judge parlayed the success

768
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 2>of Beaves and butd Heead, and he did a movie

769
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 2>by the way, you know, the movie, the animated movie,

770
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and that did pretty well. But he was able to

771
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 2>parlay that success in the King of the Hill, which

772
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 2>was a pretty big hit for Fox at the time,

773
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and so live action was certainly the next Frontier.

774
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

775
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>And and it is disappointing that that the movie, you know,

776
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 2>it didn't didn't play, but there is justice in the

777
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>fact that it eventually, you know, it was recognized. What

778
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 2>it did?

779
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:00.840
<v Speaker 1>You know?

780
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And and this this bit right here where they're

781
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 2>talking to Peter and Peter, the way Peter breaks down

782
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 2>his day, Yeah, like like that is so fascinating, right,

783
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>because again, I I'm serious, I I the way he

784
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:18.719
<v Speaker 2>describes it, and then earlier in the movie when he's

785
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 2>talking to to Samir and Michael and he's like, you

786
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 2>want to be doing this when you're fifty? I mean

787
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 2>that was something that definitely weighed on me as I

788
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.280
<v Speaker 2>thought about what what do I want to do once

789
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm out of school? You know?

790
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, this is so great just walks just watch

791
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 1>it right round. Well, and I love too that he's

792
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>in his evaluation meeting Peter and he he ends it, yep,

793
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 1>that's right, Okay, Well we're We're I'm good.

794
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 2>So here's Mike Judge as as stand the manager.

795
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what a voice, you know what I mean,

796
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's such a who else could play this?

797
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's what he found?

798
00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Got your flair?

799
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he this is. He talked about about how like

800
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 2>they were reading a bunch of people, but everybody was

801
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>going too big with it, and he kept he kept

802
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to articulate the voice that he was hearing in

803
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>his head and ultimately was like, look, I can, I

804
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 2>can do it.

805
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, that must be really difficult when you're a

806
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.639
<v Speaker 1>person like him who creates these characters who are so subtle,

807
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>like they aren't very broad, They're a real specific type,

808
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.719
<v Speaker 1>and that must be hard when you're like, what, you know,

809
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 1>not my tempo.

810
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Well and to his credit, not quite my tempo this way,

811
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm triggered now. Mike Judge, to his credit, talked about

812
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>how he put himself on tape like he auditioned for

813
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:41.000
<v Speaker 2>this role.

814
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 1>You know.

815
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, It wasn't like all right, nobody else can do it.

816
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I think maybe I can, you know. And

817
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 2>then and then the casting director is like, no, no,

818
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 2>you got it, You're good, you know yeah, And it's

819
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of this between Stan and Lumberg. We've all

820
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 2>had either one of those two guys as boss at

821
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:00.960
<v Speaker 2>some point.

822
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, yeah, I mean the flair thing. I

823
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 1>can't believe what you were saying that that wasn't part

824
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>of the script because it it's it's very memorable comedically,

825
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 1>but it really speaks to a lot of truthful things

826
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 1>that you can apply to other types of jobs. I mean,

827
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 1>first of all, having to put on this persona that

828
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 1>isn't you, yeah, you know, and present in a way

829
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>that which is false and sort of you know, makes

830
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 1>you feel dead inside. That's one thing. But that whole

831
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>conversation they just had where he's like, I want to

832
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 1>talk to you about your flare. You know, you need

833
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>this amount of pieces. She's like, I have that amount

834
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of pieces. He's like, well, but you could be going

835
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the extra mile.

836
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>You see.

837
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 1>So you are doing exactly what we asked you, But

838
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:43.119
<v Speaker 1>why aren't you doing more?

839
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Why aren't you doing more? Yeah?

840
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember for me it was I was at

841
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 1>this one job and it would be six or six

842
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty or whatever. It was like quitting time, but you

843
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be the first person out the door

844
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 1>even though it was quitting time, And so I would

845
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 1>sit there and I would wait, who's going to be

846
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.679
<v Speaker 1>the first person to leave so I can leave second?

847
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Just one of those stupid things where it's like and

848
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 1>my job was I did what I needed to do.

849
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd probably been done for you know, a couple hours. Yeah,

850
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:17.679
<v Speaker 1>but it's just the weird politics of an office.

851
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was when I was in college,

852
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I worked for a wedding videography studio and my job

853
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:24.639
<v Speaker 2>was I would come in during the week and I

854
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 2>would edit videos and and you know, they would have

855
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 2>shoots on the weekends. And I was told I was hired, well,

856
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 2>you want to go on one one shoot a month.

857
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>And I was like okay, and I would do my

858
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.280
<v Speaker 2>shoot a month, and then after a few months it

859
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 2>was like, well, why aren't you doing more shoots. I'm like, well,

860
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing the one that you asked me. Well, don't

861
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you want to do more? I'm like not really, you know,

862
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>It's it's odd, right, Like, well, that's I'm doing the

863
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>one that you asked me to So it's very relate

864
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to that.

865
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmmm hm. That's a good camera move there, yep.

866
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Spinning it around, putting in between the guys like everyone

867
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.199
<v Speaker 1>else has been Lumberg. Now he's on trial. Yeah, the

868
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 1>thing where where like.

869
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Mcginley's kind of like about to jump out of his

870
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>chair a little bit, and he has to hold him

871
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 2>back and yes, right, reports I love.

872
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>This too, that damn shock at the door handle and

873
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>so okay, so damn it feels good to be a gangster. Like,

874
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think we all know this song because

875
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>of this movie. And that was another thing where Fox

876
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.519
<v Speaker 1>was like not sure about using the gangster rap in

877
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the movie. Yeah.

878
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Tom Rothman, who has had a Fox at the time,

879
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>was essentially his own Bill Lumberg. He's like, I'm not

880
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:49.280
<v Speaker 2>really sure.

881
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Right, but I guess. Mike Judge said, well, okay, well

882
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:58.239
<v Speaker 1>let's put it, leave it in, Let's do a test screening,

883
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and let's see how people respond to it. And he

884
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 1>said that a guy in a focus group said that

885
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>he liked that the characters worked in an office and

886
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>listened to the rap music, like that was something he

887
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>liked about the movie. Like he related to that and

888
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.679
<v Speaker 1>stayed in well and an iconic part of the film.

889
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mike Judge talked about that specific experience, or he

890
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 2>said number one, He's like, what I should have said was, look,

891
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 2>if you take it out, then I'm like take my

892
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 2>name off the movie, Like, but he didn't have the

893
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>courage to do that. Sure, so he's like, I put

894
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 2>myself in this position. So they're doing this test screening

895
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:32.679
<v Speaker 2>and Mike Judge and you know, they're sitting in the

896
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 2>back and Tom Rothman is like pacing the hall and

897
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 2>he talks about how there was like about twenty people

898
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 2>who had watched the movie and the person, the woman

899
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:48.159
<v Speaker 2>who was sort of moderating the responses, did everything possible

900
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>to taint the result. That's funny because she'd be like,

901
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 2>so what did you think of it? Everybody's like whoa,

902
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 2>And it's like did you like the music? Who did

903
00:45:58.800 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you like all the rap?

904
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Are you sure? Are you sure?

905
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't too much?

906
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 1>You know? What about a version of the movie that

907
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the red.

908
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.559
<v Speaker 2>And literally Mike Judge is like face palming in the back,

909
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, And he talked about it. He's like the

910
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>person who is like some nineteen year old kid, And

911
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, that was our people.

912
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>We got it?

913
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, who got it? I mean that's the humor

914
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>is that, Like Michael Bolton thinks he's some hard case

915
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:27.159
<v Speaker 2>and he's just this dorky soft engineer.

916
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Of those two not even looking up now playing Tetris. Yep,

917
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you're bothering, bothering me. But you know, it really does

918
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>also speak to a moment in time where I mean

919
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.159
<v Speaker 1>I remember being a white kid in the suburbs and

920
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to NWA. Yeah, like I related to that,

921
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, Oh sure, I get it. I got a

922
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>meeting with the Bobs.

923
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. To me, Bill Lumberg is the personification of of

924
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 2>sort of what's the phrase, the banality of evil? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,

925
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:15.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, because because he presents in this low key,

926
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 2>low energy, non threatening way, and yet what he represents

927
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 2>is just oppression, you.

928
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Know, yep, yeah, you know. Looking at it now, I

929
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.320
<v Speaker 1>mean the only color on the screen is the human's flesh.

930
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like there's so many tones of gray, you know.

931
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>But it's I feel like they really found the perfect

932
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>balance where it is still watchable and not depressing, but

933
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the effect, the intended effect, is still coming across.

934
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

935
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean this movie really is just lightning in

936
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:52.360
<v Speaker 1>a bottle.

937
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and and obviously I mean it is laugh

938
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 2>out loud, funny, it's quotable and everything else. But but

939
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, like that scene that we saw with with

940
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Milton right and and oh and by the way, this

941
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 2>right here, say I've been missing it, Bob.

942
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've been missing a lot of work lately. I

943
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say I've.

944
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Been missing it, but you know where where where the

945
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.079
<v Speaker 2>the the Paul Wilson characters, like some of your Naga

946
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 2>We're not gonna work here anymore anyway. Yeah, he just

947
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>he just made that up. Wow, really, and that's hilarious.

948
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching it. I mean that is wow. That's pretty.

949
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty.

950
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 1>That's a great line.

951
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:36.880
<v Speaker 2>That's where mcginley's like, it was just jazz. I mean,

952
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 2>they were just going back and forth. I'd love to

953
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:39.679
<v Speaker 2>see all the outtakes, you know.

954
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too. You know you said at the beginning

955
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 1>that there's only one cut of this. I'm glad it

956
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.039
<v Speaker 1>is all it needs to be. It is perfect. It's

957
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a perfect little jewel of a comedy. But I yeah, no,

958
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 1>I would love to I would like to see deleted scenes,

959
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 1>just out of curiosity, like just other observations that they

960
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.239
<v Speaker 1>made that we missed out on. But I don't need them.

961
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't want them in the movie, but I'm curious

962
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>what they are. Yeah, it was a little hand gesture.

963
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're on fire. Yeah.

964
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 2>No, I love McGinley, Like earlier with the Gary Coley,

965
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 2>He's like, hold on their professor. Yeah, I think I

966
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 2>say that all the time too, you know. But underlying that, right,

967
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that's like, oh, Milton, for some reason he's working here.

968
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.840
<v Speaker 2>We don't know why he's still drawing a paycheck. So

969
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna stop giving him his pay and it'll work.

970
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Itself out, right.

971
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's obviously an extreme, you know, sort of cartoonish example,

972
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:41.159
<v Speaker 2>and yet that's not too far removed from how people

973
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 2>are treated, right, you know, they say it earlier, we're

974
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.719
<v Speaker 2>going to tell them Friday at the end of the day.

975
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 2>That way, there's less likelihood of an incident, you know.

976
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And and just the way people are are boiled down

977
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:59.159
<v Speaker 2>to statistical probabilities of what they might do. How can

978
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 2>you feel valued in a situation like that?

979
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, yeah, I remember, I mean, this isn't

980
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>quite that. But I was at a job and I

981
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:11.079
<v Speaker 1>was desperate for work at the time, and so I

982
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.039
<v Speaker 1>just was like, okay, great, five days a week, I'm

983
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:14.920
<v Speaker 1>getting paid. And he gave me a salary and it

984
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 1>was very low, but I was like whatever. And then

985
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 1>I started thinking about it. I was like, this is

986
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.280
<v Speaker 1>really low, and so I had to do my own research,

987
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and I found out I was getting woefully underpaid, so

988
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I had to create this little presentation. I went in

989
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and met with my boss and they're like, oh wow, yeah,

990
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I know you're right, and so then they bumped it

991
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>up a bit. But it's like no one cares, Like

992
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 1>if I hadn't done the research, if I hadn't made

993
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.639
<v Speaker 1>the presentation, if I hadn't had the evidence to show them, like,

994
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.320
<v Speaker 1>this isn't insane the discrepancy here. It's like, what do

995
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:47.719
<v Speaker 1>they care?

996
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean why would they? Yeah, you know, the

997
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.679
<v Speaker 2>whole bit with the little scheme they cook up the

998
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 2>chair on top is where where Michael's like, oh, I

999
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 2>got it from Superman three, underrated movie by the way, yeah,

1000
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 2>which again it's such a specific reference.

1001
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.199
<v Speaker 1>I know, well I love it, and I would imagine

1002
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know this, but Mike Judge probably thought like, well,

1003
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what if they just do the thing

1004
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>for Superman three. You know, it's kind of relatable, well,

1005
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 1>because it is so probable, yep, the fact that a

1006
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.400
<v Speaker 1>company might not notice a couple fractions of a cent

1007
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.280
<v Speaker 1>that they're losing. But there's like, well, what if someone

1008
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 1>collected that. Yeah, I don't know, I find those things.

1009
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people go too far when they make references to

1010
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.760
<v Speaker 1>other movies, but I find this one very relatable and

1011
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 1>something I'd be like, oh yeah, well Superman three, Yeah, okay, yeah,

1012
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>why don't we try that? Right? Yeah?

1013
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, apparently somebody actually enacted a scheme very similar to this,

1014
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 2>just a couple of years ago, really, and and got

1015
00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 2>several hundred thousand dollars. And when when investigators were searching

1016
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.039
<v Speaker 2>on his computer, they found a file labeled office space

1017
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 2>plan or something to that effect.

1018
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Guy, why don't you, dude, oh man, oh man, look

1019
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.639
<v Speaker 1>at that though.

1020
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Five years of your mid twenties is now gone, think

1021
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 2>about that, like I'm I'm like, man, when I saw this,

1022
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.360
<v Speaker 2>my mid twenties were still you know, had half a

1023
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 2>decade away. Yeah, same, yeah, now my mid twenties or

1024
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty years ago, Brian, my god.

1025
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Wait, so the guy got caught then, and then he

1026
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

1027
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 2>That I don't know, but he did indeed get caught.

1028
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, obviously you shouldn't steal and whatever,

1029
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.639
<v Speaker 1>but you know, maybe he's my Luigi.

1030
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm curious. Actually, Okay, so this is let's see

1031
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>if I can find a story about it.

1032
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.199
<v Speaker 1>But even just like his apartment, look at that. I

1033
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 1>mean that's just like that stock you know, you got

1034
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>those vertical blinds, nothing on the walls, like it just

1035
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>feels like a cookie cutter apartment sort of thing. Yeah.

1036
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the whole the whole thing about prisons and conjugal visits.

1037
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it too. Where Weir's like, I'm not

1038
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:39.159
<v Speaker 1>doing anything illegal. He's like illegal, Samir, this is America.

1039
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 2>This isn't Riod, you know which. You know I lived

1040
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.360
<v Speaker 2>in Riad when I was living outside Arabia? Did you

1041
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:46.199
<v Speaker 2>really I did?

1042
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow? Yeah.

1043
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 2>So this is the story from This is from the

1044
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.960
<v Speaker 2>New York Times about the This is Office Space inspired

1045
00:53:56.039 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 2>engineer's theft scheme. Police say, wow, mister Castro, former software

1046
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:05.880
<v Speaker 2>engineer for the e commerce site's zulily edited code to

1047
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 2>divert shipping fees to a personal account and manipulate product prices,

1048
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.639
<v Speaker 2>stealing about two hundred and sixty thousand dollars in electronic

1049
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.760
<v Speaker 2>payments and more than forty thousand in merchandise.

1050
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, Well I don't condone that manipulating prices and

1051
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff.

1052
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean those yeah, yeah, according to a police report,

1053
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and a document found on mister Castro's work laptop referred

1054
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:26.719
<v Speaker 2>to the scheme as quote office space project.

1055
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:29.280
<v Speaker 1>What was he thinking?

1056
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there you go.

1057
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>You know what, though, maybe that's the type of person

1058
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>who would do that sort of thing. Yeah, right, you

1059
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, most people have more common sense.

1060
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.159
<v Speaker 2>I think the rest of us just watched this movie

1061
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and live vicariously through exactly exactly that.

1062
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's funny, this whole money scheme thing.

1063
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 1>You think about trying to make a story out of

1064
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 1>your work experiences. It's one thing to have. I mean,

1065
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.079
<v Speaker 1>ninety page is worth of funny jokes that everyone can

1066
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>understand or relate to. But you do have to have

1067
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 1>a plot, right, right, And so I mean this this

1068
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>plot is pretty loose, you know, it's enough to me,

1069
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because it is a plot that I

1070
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.000
<v Speaker 1>actually remember. Sometimes you watch a movie and you just

1071
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>remember the jokes and don't remember what the actual, you know,

1072
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 1>stakes were. But I do remember this, And maybe it

1073
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 1>has to do with the Superman three of it all.

1074
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah maybe, although you you saw Superman three much later.

1075
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean that joke made it stick in

1076
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 1>my mind. That they ripped it off from some movie

1077
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:41.079
<v Speaker 1>they saw, and when they don't even know what money

1078
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.239
<v Speaker 1>laundering is, they have to up in the dictionary.

1079
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.039
<v Speaker 2>This sequence, by the way, this montage and the whole

1080
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 2>to his face, that's a meme all by itself.

1081
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:54.639
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's so good the scheme.

1082
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Look at that, look at that that floppy disc. I know,

1083
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I know there's a there's a time capsule right there.

1084
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.079
<v Speaker 1>But again, like the the rap, the hardcore rap music

1085
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.280
<v Speaker 1>here is just so perfect. Then like the bullet sounds

1086
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:12.039
<v Speaker 1>when he's clicking his mouse, Yep, it's hilarious. Funny is

1087
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:13.719
<v Speaker 1>such a mundane.

1088
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:18.360
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing, right is is the studio. It just

1089
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't get the wavelength this movie was on. Like the

1090
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.440
<v Speaker 2>rap is what makes it so much funnier.

1091
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and.

1092
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 2>The idea that like like do you remember the trailer

1093
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:34.840
<v Speaker 2>for this No, Like the trailer had had fat boy slim.

1094
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, like.

1095
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.199
<v Speaker 2>And it it like if you watch it now, you're like,

1096
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it just doesn't work like it is

1097
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it is not representing the comedy in this movie. Well yeah, yeah,

1098
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.320
<v Speaker 2>trying to make it feel like a high energy bop exactly.

1099
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.079
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly you know, and and I think I think

1100
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:56.960
<v Speaker 2>if I were to guess, oh, this whole thing.

1101
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 1>By the way, so funny, it's so dark.

1102
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 2>He tries to kill himself. He's like ahead, I want

1103
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 2>to live, and he eats my car. You know that's

1104
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I I truly like, I'm just like, you know, it

1105
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.599
<v Speaker 2>was just ahead of its time, but like this was

1106
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the type of humor that we liked back then.

1107
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I know. Well, and maybe if you're a smart executive,

1108
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's good to go with something you don't get

1109
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 1>because that means it's ahead of the curve. Yeah, you know,

1110
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 1>like I the what the studio was probably hoping for

1111
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 1>so funny right there.

1112
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 2>They were probably hoping for a something about Mary totally, yes,

1113
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>because that was just the year prior. Yeah about not

1114
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:47.880
<v Speaker 2>even not even a year. It was like six months earlier.

1115
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 2>And both movies are very funny, but they're on completely

1116
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 2>different wavelengths.

1117
00:57:54.400 --> 00:58:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, definitely, right, dude. I mean, you couldn't cast that

1118
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>guy better. Yep, he's that guy. I've met that guy.

1119
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:13.280
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, exactly.

1120
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.079
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I love the line when they you

1121
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:18.840
<v Speaker 1>know again, we got this hardcore rap music playing. It's

1122
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.840
<v Speaker 1>in slow motion. They're doing freeze frames as they you know,

1123
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.079
<v Speaker 1>pass over the floppy disk and then when it's all done,

1124
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:30.280
<v Speaker 1>they collect and the Bolton's like, wow, that was easy.

1125
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.480
<v Speaker 2>It makes such a big deal out of it. It's

1126
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:36.519
<v Speaker 2>like huh okay. So, of course, probably the most famous

1127
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:41.039
<v Speaker 2>scene in the movie right here, iconic, yeah, with the printer. Yep,

1128
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:44.639
<v Speaker 2>look at how it's shot right, so great Samir's kick.

1129
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:53.639
<v Speaker 2>What I love is that like Peter is kind of

1130
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 2>like hanging back. He's the mob boss, you know, he's

1131
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the boss.

1132
00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep.

1133
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:02.960
<v Speaker 2>And there's this great bit where where Samir like, yeah,

1134
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.000
<v Speaker 2>right here, right here, where he's about to do he

1135
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.159
<v Speaker 2>uses the bat to make him stand back right there,

1136
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.760
<v Speaker 2>and they beat the ship out of this printer.

1137
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Man, have you I mean, I think it goes about saying,

1138
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:21.360
<v Speaker 1>but have you had a printer experience that made you

1139
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>want to do this?

1140
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I just most technology, you know.

1141
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Man, this is so funny. Fists have to pull him away.

1142
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Mike Judge talked about how when they were filming this

1143
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.639
<v Speaker 2>that that scene and again he's he's a first time

1144
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:42.000
<v Speaker 2>director and he tells David Herman just go ape ship,

1145
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:44.320
<v Speaker 2>just like jump up and down. And I guess he

1146
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>slipped at one point and nearly like freaking like lacerated

1147
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.639
<v Speaker 2>a vein, you know, And the DP goes to Mike

1148
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Judge's like, hey, closer on mister Landis. Oh geez, It's

1149
00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 2>is a reference to John Landis.

1150
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, so that's where my crew is at.

1151
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.440
<v Speaker 1>But dude, I will never forget. When I was at

1152
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>College of DuPage, which is where we met, I had, like,

1153
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of those like dot printer things with

1154
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.079
<v Speaker 1>the perforated edges with the holes on the side, and

1155
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.159
<v Speaker 1>it would, you know, I'd be writing my paper at

1156
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 1>the last minute, having to print it off go straight

1157
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:27.599
<v Speaker 1>to school, and it would jam up or stick or

1158
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 1>something wouldn't work. And I remember, even before this movie,

1159
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I think I must have been post but I wanted

1160
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to kill this printer. And when I was done with it, yeah,

1161
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 1>I was going to throw it away. And I remember

1162
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I was going to beat the crap out of it,

1163
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.119
<v Speaker 1>like with a bat, and my dad, my dad actually

1164
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, Brian, no, that's that's violent. And it's funny

1165
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.559
<v Speaker 1>because as recently as a year ago, I told him

1166
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I still do this day regret that I didn't do it.

1167
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I still think about that printer. I hate it, and

1168
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a little anger that still lives inside

1169
01:00:58.320 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>of me because he didn't let me get it out.

1170
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:07.480
<v Speaker 2>That is really funny, now, I I love that Joanna

1171
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:11.360
<v Speaker 2>is like kind of the conscience of the film here. Yes, yeah,

1172
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, because we do need her voice to kind

1173
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:17.599
<v Speaker 2>of be like, well, no, it's still not.

1174
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, yeah, well you're it's stealing. He's like, well,

1175
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:24.039
<v Speaker 1>it's not quite like stealing. She's like, no, it's literally stealing.

1176
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1177
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:26.360
<v Speaker 1>And I love it too because she hates her job too.

1178
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:28.280
<v Speaker 1>It's not like she's in some sort of happy place

1179
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly like she well, I hate my job too, but

1180
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna steal, right, Yeah.

1181
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Like I I like that that little bit of texture.

1182
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:36.719
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1183
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

1184
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:41.119
<v Speaker 2>We should say. By the way, Jennifer Aniston, you know,

1185
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:46.519
<v Speaker 2>obviously the you know, she was a superstar at the

1186
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:50.440
<v Speaker 2>time that this came out, but like it it's you know,

1187
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.400
<v Speaker 2>like Rachel is so like sexy and glamorous, right, But

1188
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I love how Joanna is kind of like girl next

1189
01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:59.400
<v Speaker 2>door cute totally.

1190
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:02.400
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing I mean, for putting a star in

1191
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.920
<v Speaker 1>this movie in just a more minor role, she does

1192
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>fit right in. She gets right into the tone, like

1193
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:10.679
<v Speaker 1>she gets what they're doing here, and it's nice that

1194
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.840
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't try to do something bigger.

1195
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1196
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1197
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:20.440
<v Speaker 2>She went to high school with David Herman. Oh funny

1198
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, so she talked about this how she was

1199
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.159
<v Speaker 2>a sophomore and he was a senior and he was

1200
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 2>like already well known for being funny and she always

1201
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:29.440
<v Speaker 2>like kind of had a thing for him.

1202
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:30.599
<v Speaker 1>How funny.

1203
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, And then and then after this movie came out,

1204
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, it tanked in theaters, but then gradually they

1205
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.239
<v Speaker 2>found out all these people liked it and and Madonna

1206
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:43.480
<v Speaker 2>apparently liked the movie, right, So she wanted to meet

1207
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:45.559
<v Speaker 2>with Mike Judge. So she meets Mike Judge and she's like,

1208
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.559
<v Speaker 2>you know how I really liked and he's like, ooh

1209
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Milton's She's like, no, no, that Michael Bolton guy. You're

1210
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:54.719
<v Speaker 2>so sexy, damn dude of your David Herman like right,

1211
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Jeffery Aniston, Ma, Donna. So so Mike Judge told it,

1212
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:01.880
<v Speaker 2>like he he goes back to I think they're probably

1213
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:03.480
<v Speaker 2>did King of the Hill, and he tells David Herman

1214
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 2>the story, and David Herman's like, listen, you have to

1215
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:08.960
<v Speaker 2>be the one to always tell that story because nobody

1216
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:10.679
<v Speaker 2>will believe if I'm.

1217
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Right right, Yeah, I tell it all the time, Like,

1218
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.079
<v Speaker 1>please make this part of you when any talk show

1219
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:25.599
<v Speaker 1>you're on. Man, this to me is one of the

1220
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not like one of the most memorable, but to me,

1221
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.679
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the funniest jokes in the entire movie.

1222
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Where you have this guy and he's in the worst

1223
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:35.519
<v Speaker 1>possible shape you can imagine. He's in a wheelchair, he's

1224
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:38.000
<v Speaker 1>in a body cast. He's got like a brace on

1225
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:41.440
<v Speaker 1>his neck drilled into his head, and he doesn't have

1226
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to work anymore, and he goes, dreams do come true?

1227
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Just look at me, like that is so funny to me. Yeah,

1228
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:57.280
<v Speaker 1>he's happy, he's free. It doesn't matter that he's in

1229
01:03:57.360 --> 01:03:59.920
<v Speaker 1>this brace and screws drilled in his.

1230
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:09.960
<v Speaker 2>That's so funny, brilliant. It just looks like Texas, it

1231
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 2>really does.

1232
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 1>They're talking to the like lawyer guy, consible, conjugal visis

1233
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not so sure guys like kick someone's ass or

1234
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 1>becomes it everything ask.

1235
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Oh, it's just.

1236
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:40.840
<v Speaker 1>This subtlety ugh oh man, we need we need another

1237
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:41.760
<v Speaker 1>mic judge joint.

1238
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:43.360
<v Speaker 2>We really do.

1239
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you watch Silicon Valley?

1240
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 2>No, it's on my list, I do, And I would

1241
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:53.400
<v Speaker 2>say that's probably reflective of the current, you know, work

1242
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:55.800
<v Speaker 2>environment as much as this was twenty five years.

1243
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Ago, I recommend.

1244
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I heard, I heard, but you know, so, yeah,

1245
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.079
<v Speaker 2>you were talking about Severance. I mean Severance was inspired

1246
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:03.840
<v Speaker 2>by Office Space.

1247
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, dude, the guy talk about that.

1248
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 2>The creator Yeah, yeah, literally cited office Space as an inspiration.

1249
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh funny. Yeah, Oh that's great. By the way, I just,

1250
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:18.960
<v Speaker 1>for what it's worth, the guy's drinking an MGD there.

1251
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.039
<v Speaker 1>When I was twenty one and working at Hulahans and

1252
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:24.400
<v Speaker 1>going to TGI Fridays afterwards, I don't know why I

1253
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:26.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a beer. I didn't really underage drink much,

1254
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, uh, I think I saw

1255
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.599
<v Speaker 1>someone with an MGD and I was like MGD, and

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01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:34.480
<v Speaker 1>like somehow that became my beer. And they don't sell

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01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:37.519
<v Speaker 1>it out here really, and so whenever I go back

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01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:41.159
<v Speaker 1>to the Midwest, I'm always like MGD please. So it's

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01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny seeing him drink it here touch at home,

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01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:47.760
<v Speaker 1>yeah exactly, I guess in the South here, but so

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01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:50.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole, the whole thing with with Joanna having slept

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01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:50.920
<v Speaker 1>with Lumberg.

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01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Originally it was actually Lumberg.

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01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm.

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01:05:55.800 --> 01:06:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, and they they changed that. I think I think smartly.

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01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I would say.

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01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I think so too, because we are conditioned to not

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01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:10.280
<v Speaker 1>like this person, and it would you know what I mean,

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01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:12.599
<v Speaker 1>we don't want her associated with him, the guy who

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01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.280
<v Speaker 1>would let someone work without getting paid and put them

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01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.480
<v Speaker 1>into a basement with a single exactly right.

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01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:20.920
<v Speaker 2>And and her point is well made, like, well, I

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01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:23.239
<v Speaker 2>knew him two years ago before, you you know, it

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01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:27.559
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. But that was I find it interesting. That

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01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.679
<v Speaker 2>was a studio note, and you know, sometimes the studio

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01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:32.519
<v Speaker 2>does give good notes.

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01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure.

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01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Although one of their notes was was Peter isn't smiling enough?

1279
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:42.760
<v Speaker 2>And I just find that fascinating on so many levels

1280
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:48.679
<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, what, what do you think this movie's about? Right?

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01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Apparently that was the the pressure that they were putting

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01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:55.119
<v Speaker 2>on Mike Judge, like make him smile more, find somebody

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01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 2>else to play him. And Livingston knew nothing about this,

1284
01:06:57.920 --> 01:06:58.719
<v Speaker 2>and he thought out.

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01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.480
<v Speaker 1>That's good because it would in his head.

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01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.199
<v Speaker 2>He would get in his head. Right, But that's the

1287
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.039
<v Speaker 2>beauty of it is. He plays the movie completely straight,

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01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's what makes it funny, right, the whole the

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01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:17.039
<v Speaker 2>So this right here with with Gary Cole where he's shirtless,

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01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:19.719
<v Speaker 2>and I was just as I'm watching this sequence, I'm like,

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01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 2>what was that like to film?

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01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Totally right, Like somebody's got their feet up and you know,

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01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:29.920
<v Speaker 2>there's Gary Cole with his shirt off, and I'm like,

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01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.079
<v Speaker 2>it's that just a normal day of shooting.

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01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:37.920
<v Speaker 1>You know that's true? He is at work? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:39.519
<v Speaker 1>I imagine that would be kind of awkward.

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01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I suspect whoever's legs they are, they probably had

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01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.760
<v Speaker 2>some pants that were hiked up there. Sure, sure, yeah

1300
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:47.599
<v Speaker 2>like that, but regardless, a weird shot to frame right,

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01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:54.920
<v Speaker 2>totally yeah. Mike Judge talked about how this character stand

1302
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.679
<v Speaker 2>was specifically inspired by somebody that he saw while he

1303
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.679
<v Speaker 2>was at I don't want to say, like a Kinko's

1304
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:04.880
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, just being really like passive aggressive,

1305
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:08.360
<v Speaker 2>belittling some young lady who's working there. Oh interesting, And

1306
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:10.360
<v Speaker 2>he was like, God, what an asshole? And so that

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01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:11.440
<v Speaker 2>became this character.

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01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Man. That's the trick, isn't it like to take all

1309
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the things you observe.

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01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that's the that's the sort of interesting

1311
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:26.560
<v Speaker 2>thing because because in these scenarios, right, if you're a

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01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:30.239
<v Speaker 2>manager at a at a little local eatery like this,

1313
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:32.800
<v Speaker 2>or if you're a mid you know, middle management at

1314
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.960
<v Speaker 2>some company, you sort of you you you want to

1315
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:41.520
<v Speaker 2>project power, and so that manifests in these kind of

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01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:46.840
<v Speaker 2>passive aggressive ways, right right, and and definitely like I

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01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:48.039
<v Speaker 2>I I look at this, and I'm like, well, I

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01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 2>never want to be like that ever, you know. And

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01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and and yet again, like I said earlier, I mean,

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01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.279
<v Speaker 2>we've all had those bosses, you know. I know.

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01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:58.520
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because it's so opposite of how I feel,

1322
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:02.279
<v Speaker 1>where if I was mistreated, I want to be the

1323
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:05.600
<v Speaker 1>guy who does things differently that's right, and makes someone

1324
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:09.239
<v Speaker 1>else's experience different than the one that I had. It's

1325
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:13.279
<v Speaker 1>just fascinating that so many people then flip that and like,

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01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.159
<v Speaker 1>well now it's my turn. Yeah, exactly right.

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01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:21.239
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of well, you know, it's a Mike Judge

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01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:25.239
<v Speaker 2>described Lumberg as sort of embodying the Peter principle, right,

1329
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:31.840
<v Speaker 2>which is that people sort of reach their their maximum

1330
01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:37.560
<v Speaker 2>level of what's the word, like they sort of max

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01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:41.119
<v Speaker 2>out at wherever they are in terms of what they're

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01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:44.800
<v Speaker 2>not able to do. So you move through an organization,

1333
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:46.640
<v Speaker 2>you reach a point where you're like, you're not really

1334
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:48.079
<v Speaker 2>suited for that, and you just kind of end up

1335
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.600
<v Speaker 2>stuck there, right, And so at any given stage of

1336
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.439
<v Speaker 2>an organization like this, you've got people in charge who

1337
01:09:55.439 --> 01:10:00.159
<v Speaker 2>are not suited to do that job. M yeah, it

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01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:01.039
<v Speaker 2>just sounded like lumbers.

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01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:03.159
<v Speaker 1>I know. I actually I realized that as I did,

1340
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And

1341
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:08.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel like you see that a lot

1342
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:10.920
<v Speaker 1>of movie studios where it's like, sure, well these people

1343
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:12.960
<v Speaker 1>have worked their way, they've put in their time, or

1344
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:15.520
<v Speaker 1>they're done something kind of impressive, so they put them

1345
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:18.960
<v Speaker 1>in these roles that they might not actually be suited for. Yeah,

1346
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:22.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, making creative choices and things. Here we go.

1347
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.159
<v Speaker 2>This is the actual quote. So the book is called

1348
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:28.239
<v Speaker 2>the Peter principle, developed by Lawrence J. Peter, which observes

1349
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to quote

1350
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:36.399
<v Speaker 2>a level of respective incompetence. Employees are promoted based on

1351
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:39.399
<v Speaker 2>their success in previous jobs until they reach a level

1352
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:42.039
<v Speaker 2>at which they are no longer competent, as skills in

1353
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:44.800
<v Speaker 2>one job do not necessarily translate to another, and then

1354
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:45.880
<v Speaker 2>they just kind of stay there.

1355
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Oh man, it just sounds depressing you just talking

1356
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:56.479
<v Speaker 1>about it, right, But maybe because of the images I'm

1357
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:58.079
<v Speaker 1>looking at on the screen too. So we have this

1358
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:02.000
<v Speaker 1>like birthday, you know, off birthday gathering and.

1359
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:04.520
<v Speaker 2>They're singing it like it's a funeral.

1360
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, yess. Have you ever been in with

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01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:16.479
<v Speaker 1>your job like this kind of birthday group passing around

1362
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:17.439
<v Speaker 1>cake kind of situation?

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01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:21.560
<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't, you know, because because for twenty years

1364
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I've been a teacher, and most of my job involves

1365
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:28.920
<v Speaker 2>going from one school to another. So I have my

1366
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.000
<v Speaker 2>set schedule. I go, I do my thing, I leave,

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01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.359
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, And on the one hand, that can

1368
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:42.319
<v Speaker 2>be sort of isolating, Yeah, but there's also something gratifying about,

1369
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've got a specific task I have to go,

1370
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I have to impart this lesson. I do that, and

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01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:51.439
<v Speaker 2>then I move on, you know, yep, and I get

1372
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:56.039
<v Speaker 2>to see the results of my work. And I managed

1373
01:11:56.079 --> 01:12:00.680
<v Speaker 2>to sidestep a lot of the you know, corport office

1374
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:03.119
<v Speaker 2>type stuff that I just would not have a particularly

1375
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:03.800
<v Speaker 2>interest in, you know.

1376
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, I gotta say, I mean I've been pretty

1377
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.880
<v Speaker 1>recently even I've been at places that have done birthday

1378
01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:13.319
<v Speaker 1>things like that. I actually I think they're great. I

1379
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.640
<v Speaker 1>think what that scene is really trying to convey is

1380
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.159
<v Speaker 1>what I was talking about earlier with the you know,

1381
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 1>we're we have record profits. Here's like a Domino's pizza,

1382
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:25.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, that kind of thing. But yeah, I've actually

1383
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of appreciated when they try to make special events

1384
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and bring in desserts and you know, you know, like, hey,

1385
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:34.439
<v Speaker 1>it's a holiday, like so we got you guys you

1386
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:36.960
<v Speaker 1>know from like Portos down the street, brought in some

1387
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:38.600
<v Speaker 1>pastries or something. It's always nice.

1388
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 2>You have to imagine that a lot of the last

1389
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years, companies have looked at office space and

1390
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:50.319
<v Speaker 2>tried to avoid its. Example, Yeah, you know, sort of

1391
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:53.159
<v Speaker 2>like music biopics look at Dewey Cox and try to

1392
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:54.279
<v Speaker 2>avoid what that movie does.

1393
01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:56.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think you're totally right.

1394
01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if if Fridays is like okay, no

1395
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:01.640
<v Speaker 2>more flair, you know, right right?

1396
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I wonder how many people were coming in and

1397
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:08.399
<v Speaker 1>commenting on it and sort of laughing about.

1398
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:12.279
<v Speaker 2>It right after this movie, acting like like Brian the Server,

1399
01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:17.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, not not you, Brian, Brian, no, no, no,

1400
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:20.920
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah yeah yeah, this right here, they're looking up

1401
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:21.680
<v Speaker 2>with laundering.

1402
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like, we have all this money, what do

1403
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 1>we do? Well, we could try to launder it. Yeah, yeah,

1404
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:33.880
<v Speaker 1>what is that so relatable? It's funny because I mean

1405
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I know what it is now, but I remember seeing

1406
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:37.560
<v Speaker 1>this for the first time and being like, yeah, I

1407
01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:39.159
<v Speaker 1>don't know what money laundering is.

1408
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:41.279
<v Speaker 2>I've heard about it, I've heard tell.

1409
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:47.319
<v Speaker 1>It's funny. I want to tell a story, but then

1410
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Orlando Jones is coming up.

1411
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have to wait for I don't want to

1412
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.359
<v Speaker 2>stuff on it.

1413
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:56.239
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny. It's such a small role, but it's

1414
01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:58.600
<v Speaker 1>so so makes such an impact.

1415
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I can't even tell how many times in my life.

1416
01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:02.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, my name is Steve.

1417
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's right right now.

1418
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:05.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm off for trying to stay clean.

1419
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which apparently he said that he was imitating his

1420
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:14.199
<v Speaker 1>niece the way that she would sell Girl Scott cookies.

1421
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Going door to door.

1422
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.199
<v Speaker 1>That's so funny, isn't that funny? I mean you think

1423
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:18.800
<v Speaker 1>about it now, you're like, oh, yeah, he is kind

1424
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of imitating like a kid.

1425
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Hi, my name is Steve, so both Orlando Jones and

1426
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:27.199
<v Speaker 2>David Herman were on Matt TV when that show first started.

1427
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.039
<v Speaker 2>That's that's cool, and they were the ones when that

1428
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:31.920
<v Speaker 2>show first started. They were the ones. I was like,

1429
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:33.079
<v Speaker 2>these guys are hilarious.

1430
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:40.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, I love to Yeah. They're like, wait, wait, wait,

1431
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:44.119
<v Speaker 1>you have like a criminal background. Cuts him like, look, guys,

1432
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:48.560
<v Speaker 1>we're asking you to do it. We just want to

1433
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:52.800
<v Speaker 1>know how to do it. That's a clever little button

1434
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 1>where he now is aware of their crime, and so

1435
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:56.720
<v Speaker 1>he's like, all right, well do something for me.

1436
01:14:58.520 --> 01:14:59.119
<v Speaker 2>So funny.

1437
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Wait, did you ever have to sell magazines? Did you

1438
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:02.479
<v Speaker 1>ever do that for school?

1439
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:04.399
<v Speaker 2>I did not.

1440
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we had to do that. It was a fundraiser.

1441
01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Now I think about it, I wonder what that money

1442
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.720
<v Speaker 1>went toward. Yeah, yeah, because you know, that was the

1443
01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 1>thing you had the kids whose parents would bring the

1444
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:18.920
<v Speaker 1>catalog to school and get all their coworkers to do it.

1445
01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:21.880
<v Speaker 1>My dad was like, I don't want to make my

1446
01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:25.239
<v Speaker 1>coworkers and I have to buy a magazine for my kids.

1447
01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:26.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because at the time I was like,

1448
01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:30.880
<v Speaker 1>but dud, yeah, But now I'm like, yeah, yeah, I

1449
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:33.600
<v Speaker 1>mean I totally I respect that.

1450
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 2>That's really funny.

1451
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we would get you know, some sort of

1452
01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:38.800
<v Speaker 1>like waterproof.

1453
01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Forty subscriptions to vibe. Yeah. No, the the what you're describing, Like,

1454
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I totally am. If I'm the coworker who's forced to

1455
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:57.359
<v Speaker 2>like look at the kids subscriptions, I'd be like, oh god,

1456
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I respect your dad for being like, no,

1457
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to put them through that.

1458
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny. I'm like debating and telling a story.

1459
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:12.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm just gonna tell it. So, So I

1460
01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:15.920
<v Speaker 1>was at this job and they would have like a

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01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:20.439
<v Speaker 1>birthday call, okay, right, and so it was like over

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01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:23.600
<v Speaker 1>like zoom, right because of COVID stuff.

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01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure.

1464
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:26.079
<v Speaker 1>And so they wanted to do something because we used

1465
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to do the in person birthday things where we'd get

1466
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:31.000
<v Speaker 1>together around a table and have cake and stuff. So

1467
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:34.279
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to make it fun still over zoom. So

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01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:37.039
<v Speaker 1>they asked a couple of us to record a song.

1469
01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:41.239
<v Speaker 1>So me and some people covered the Beatles birthday song.

1470
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.760
<v Speaker 1>They say it's your Birthday and made a video and

1471
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.680
<v Speaker 1>we're in the video, you know, like wow, thank God,

1472
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:49.640
<v Speaker 1>not dancing or anything. It's just still images of us

1473
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:52.600
<v Speaker 1>holding our guitars and basses and things. Anyway, so I

1474
01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:55.760
<v Speaker 1>played like once a month, and it would be like

1475
01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:57.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of embarrassing but also kind of amusing to me

1476
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.199
<v Speaker 1>just seeing this thing play every month on our birth

1477
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:03.600
<v Speaker 1>they calls and then I am no longer at this place,

1478
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:06.199
<v Speaker 1>but I have people telling me that they still play

1479
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the video. So even though like almost everyone in that

1480
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:12.880
<v Speaker 1>video has moved on, that video once a month continues

1481
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:16.399
<v Speaker 1>to live a life somewhere with people having to get

1482
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.359
<v Speaker 1>together for this zoom birthday gathering.

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01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow, Okay, that's kind of nice.

1484
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's funny. I feel like I read something about

1485
01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:32.720
<v Speaker 1>this Judge, but I've forgotten it, and that's a terrible anecdote.

1486
01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:36.560
<v Speaker 2>That Judge, the actor I know him from he's in

1487
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man.

1488
01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh, who's your play?

1489
01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:41.199
<v Speaker 2>He's like he's the head of or he's like part

1490
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of the os Corp board. You know.

1491
01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:46.920
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you're out, Norman. Oh that's hilarious.

1492
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he says, okay, you know, and he does

1493
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:54.920
<v Speaker 2>his little Willem Dafoe does his does his evil evil

1494
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:55.439
<v Speaker 2>look at him?

1495
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Does he turn into a cartoon skeleton?

1496
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:00.880
<v Speaker 2>He does? He's certainly does at that.

1497
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:05.239
<v Speaker 1>So you know what's interesting. I read that judge says

1498
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:08.199
<v Speaker 1>he wish he wishes he could go back and redo

1499
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the third act.

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01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna mention this, Yeah, do you know what

1501
01:18:12.279 --> 01:18:14.680
<v Speaker 2>he means specifically, dude, I was about to say, I

1502
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:16.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know what he's talking about, because I think it

1503
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:19.199
<v Speaker 2>all comes together with a nice little bow wrapped around it.

1504
01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I kind of think it's perfect. I mean, maybe the

1505
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Peter Joanna thing's a little thin or something or makes

1506
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:32.680
<v Speaker 1>him look a little like unkind towards her, but like, yeah,

1507
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the whole scheme thing seems perfect.

1508
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:38.479
<v Speaker 2>But with regards to that, I really like how they

1509
01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:41.239
<v Speaker 2>tie that relationship up, you know, I think it's very sweet.

1510
01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:43.479
<v Speaker 1>Exactly he grows up a little bit. Yeah, exactly.

1511
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that for me, And you know, this

1512
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:50.720
<v Speaker 2>is a conversation. You and I tend to have a lot,

1513
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you know. I appreciate when your character has a moral

1514
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:59.800
<v Speaker 2>compass and the fact that the resolutionist movie ultimately revolves

1515
01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:04.279
<v Speaker 2>around the main character making a choice to do the

1516
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:08.039
<v Speaker 2>right thing and accept whatever consequences will come. The fact

1517
01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:10.279
<v Speaker 2>that those consequences don't come is irrelevant to the fact

1518
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:12.239
<v Speaker 2>that he did make that decision and he did follow

1519
01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:12.720
<v Speaker 2>through on it.

1520
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:17.399
<v Speaker 1>I think that exactly exactly. Yeah, I agree, I do

1521
01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:23.960
<v Speaker 1>love that. That's very clever and it's ultimately satisfying. Yeah,

1522
01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:26.840
<v Speaker 1>he was willing to turn himself in.

1523
01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:29.319
<v Speaker 2>This right here, right where what she's telling him like,

1524
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:32.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe you don't you'll, maybe you'll never like

1525
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:34.800
<v Speaker 2>your job, but you have to go find the thing

1526
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:38.199
<v Speaker 2>that that will make you happy. And that's I mean,

1527
01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the eternal dilemma in a nutshell, right, Like, when

1528
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.279
<v Speaker 2>you talk about going into the workforce, you're talking about

1529
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.840
<v Speaker 2>something that you're committing to essentially for the rest of

1530
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:52.600
<v Speaker 2>your life, right, and that's overwhelming, right, Yeah, And so

1531
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.399
<v Speaker 2>finding that that that balance, I mean, you know we

1532
01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:58.159
<v Speaker 2>were just talking earlier, the work life balance. What does

1533
01:19:58.199 --> 01:19:58.560
<v Speaker 2>that mean?

1534
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Tricky? You know.

1535
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.159
<v Speaker 2>You know my oldest son, you know, and now he's

1536
01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:09.680
<v Speaker 2>applying to colleges and things like that and looking at

1537
01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:11.680
<v Speaker 2>what he's going to do. And one thing I've said is, look,

1538
01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you know they say, oh, if you do what you love,

1539
01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:17.600
<v Speaker 2>you'll never work a day in a life, so or

1540
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:19.640
<v Speaker 2>do what you love, And I'm like that's not really

1541
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:25.439
<v Speaker 2>always true, right, I'm like, do what you like, sure,

1542
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.840
<v Speaker 2>do something that you like doing. Yeah, it doesn't have

1543
01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:31.479
<v Speaker 2>to be your entire identity, but it should be something

1544
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:35.520
<v Speaker 2>that you don't mind doing right and that you can

1545
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:36.600
<v Speaker 2>make a living doing.

1546
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:40.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, yep, I agree with that. It's tough.

1547
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:43.479
<v Speaker 2>I love that bit right there. He puts the envelope

1548
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.119
<v Speaker 2>under the door and we just there's a beat and

1549
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:48.680
<v Speaker 2>you see him dive across trying to get it back.

1550
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:52.000
<v Speaker 1>But to your point, I mean, yeah, his confession, it's

1551
01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:55.479
<v Speaker 1>so perfect because he was willing enough to do it,

1552
01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and he did do it. But it's very relatable, like

1553
01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:01.159
<v Speaker 1>have I made a mistake but it's too late, like

1554
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.760
<v Speaker 1>he okay, I will accept the consequences of man, whatever happens.

1555
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:07.760
<v Speaker 1>But what's so great and satisfying this being a comedy

1556
01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:09.319
<v Speaker 1>and we don't really want to see him go to

1557
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:12.279
<v Speaker 1>jail or something. Is it's a clever conceit then that

1558
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it gets burnt up. That's right. So yes, he was

1559
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.119
<v Speaker 1>willing to grow and do the right thing, but we

1560
01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:21.199
<v Speaker 1>also get the fun of him not having to pay

1561
01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:24.199
<v Speaker 1>for it. That's right. And it becomes as a result

1562
01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:27.760
<v Speaker 1>of a runner from the entire movie with Milton threatening

1563
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to burn the building down.

1564
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Because of that Stapler, I'm very curious what I said,

1565
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:39.479
<v Speaker 2>why did Lumberg take that stapler? What a dick? I know,

1566
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I know there's no reason to do that, but yeah,

1567
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:44.560
<v Speaker 2>you're right, Like I I don't know it. It doesn't

1568
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:51.800
<v Speaker 2>feel particularly rushed or or thrown together, you know, m hm, yeah,

1569
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:52.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1570
01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just just curious if he had a different idea.

1571
01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1572
01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:01.119
<v Speaker 1>By the way, speaking of Milton, I was reading about

1573
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Mike Judge and how much he hated the marketing campaign

1574
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:07.880
<v Speaker 1>for the movie. I do remember the poster.

1575
01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, with the with the post it's on it.

1576
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a man and it looks like covered

1577
01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:14.319
<v Speaker 1>and post its. Yeah yeah. Judge was like, well, he

1578
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:17.079
<v Speaker 1>looks like a mummy or a big bird or a

1579
01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:20.439
<v Speaker 1>beat keeper. Like it's very confusing. Yeah, and then he said,

1580
01:22:20.479 --> 01:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess the tagline is works.

1581
01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:25.600
<v Speaker 2>By the way, real quick, we have to appreciate one

1582
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:27.239
<v Speaker 2>of one of the best lines and the best line

1583
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:31.159
<v Speaker 2>deliveries right here. Watch out for your corn hole, Bud.

1584
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:41.319
<v Speaker 2>It's good advice, Brian, good advice in this life, I'll

1585
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:48.479
<v Speaker 2>tell you. But yeah, no, I think, well no, yeah,

1586
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:50.520
<v Speaker 2>so the guy covered in post it notes it says

1587
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:53.199
<v Speaker 2>work sucks, and Judge was like, it looks like a

1588
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:57.359
<v Speaker 2>home depot ad or an office depot ad and uh

1589
01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>so then he insisted when it came out on home

1590
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:00.800
<v Speaker 2>video that.

1591
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.279
<v Speaker 1>They add a character to it. So that's why you

1592
01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:05.560
<v Speaker 1>have Milton peeking out from behind that post.

1593
01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Well he wasn't even crazy about that.

1594
01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>It's very yeah, no, I agree, it's very subtle. And

1595
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:13.920
<v Speaker 1>also it's like your weirdest character.

1596
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:17.359
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, you know, it's funny when we talk

1597
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:21.359
<v Speaker 2>about Ron Livingstone and just sort of the right tone

1598
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:25.119
<v Speaker 2>that he found. Mike Judge again, he talked about how,

1599
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:26.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, he had people coming in reading and they

1600
01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>were doing like Dawson's Creek style line readings and like

1601
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:38.640
<v Speaker 2>really just like you know, like like really just overly dramatic,

1602
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, And what you realize is, God, there

1603
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:46.479
<v Speaker 2>are so many pit stops along the highway that could.

1604
01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Utterly wreck your movie.

1605
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you have to you have to have an

1606
01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:56.800
<v Speaker 2>iron clad concept of what you are trying to do

1607
01:23:58.159 --> 01:23:59.479
<v Speaker 2>and stick to it no matter what.

1608
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

1609
01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like, Okay, the movie tanked initially and it did

1610
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:09.319
<v Speaker 2>whatever it did. But at the very least Mike Judge

1611
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:11.319
<v Speaker 2>gets to say, look, I made the movie I wanted

1612
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:16.239
<v Speaker 2>to make, and history has been on my side. Yeah, yeah, right,

1613
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:18.800
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to selling out whichever way, and you're like,

1614
01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:22.920
<v Speaker 2>well it flopped and I don't like this, that and

1615
01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the other thing, you.

1616
01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Know, yep, which really says something about his station in

1617
01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>this moment that he was able to do that. Yeah.

1618
01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>That executives weren't crazy about a lot of the decisions,

1619
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:37.039
<v Speaker 1>but they're like, well, Mike Judge's hot right now.

1620
01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean we're talking about Tom Rothman, and

1621
01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to his credit, I think Tom Rothman, you know,

1622
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>during the time he was heading up Fox was somewhat

1623
01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:51.159
<v Speaker 2>of a controversial figure, you know, for some of the

1624
01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:53.039
<v Speaker 2>decisions you would make with regards to the big franchise

1625
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. But at least when it came to this movie,

1626
01:24:55.439 --> 01:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>he pushed, he pushed back, but he ultimately trusted Mike Judge.

1627
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:03.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, the thing we were talking about with the

1628
01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Gangster app for example, he said, look, okay, if the

1629
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>audience goes with it, then we'll leave it. He never

1630
01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:11.359
<v Speaker 2>brought it up again after that, and so you have

1631
01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:12.399
<v Speaker 2>to give the guy credit, you know.

1632
01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true, and it is nice seeing Peter find

1633
01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>his thing. Yes here at the end, I mean, he's

1634
01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:24.039
<v Speaker 1>when he has the free time, he wants to be outdoors,

1635
01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:26.279
<v Speaker 1>he wants to be fishing, do things with his hands.

1636
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>So this feels like a good fit.

1637
01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's to.

1638
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Work construction and it's a fun little you know, getting

1639
01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to see that he's actually fixing the building that burned

1640
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>down and finds Milton Stapler and.

1641
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:44.880
<v Speaker 2>It's good, nice little little koda. Oh, it's perfect and

1642
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:46.920
<v Speaker 2>perfect last line for the character.

1643
01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I say it all the time like him.

1644
01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:54.039
<v Speaker 2>That's the other thing, by the way, is they wanted

1645
01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:58.119
<v Speaker 2>to I mean, not unreasonably. The studio wanted to make

1646
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:02.159
<v Speaker 2>this a PG. Thirteen and obviously the sheer, you know,

1647
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the panorama of cussing makes that absolutely unfeasible. But David

1648
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Herman himself was like, I will make sure this is a.

1649
01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Rated R movie. It's really funny. It's funny. It's one

1650
01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:20.920
<v Speaker 1>of those movies where I don't really think about it.

1651
01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just maybe because it is a natural fit.

1652
01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's exactly it, you know, And so

1653
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:31.039
<v Speaker 2>much of the dialogue is quotable, including the swears. You

1654
01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:31.840
<v Speaker 2>just roll with it.

1655
01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Seeing Milton got a happy ending.

1656
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Too, exactly well, and well, it is a little bit

1657
01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>like the end of Silence of the Lambs where Hannibal

1658
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Lecter is out in the world, because you're like this,

1659
01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:46.079
<v Speaker 2>this pyromaniac is now you know, running free.

1660
01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's kind of a terrorist.

1661
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:50.800
<v Speaker 2>So doesn't this end credit sequence remind you of the

1662
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>movies we used to make.

1663
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes exactly? Yeah, yeah, well, meaning that we would show

1664
01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:03.399
<v Speaker 1>like a little box, yeah, with the character inside doing

1665
01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>something with the name on the side. That's how we

1666
01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>used to do our stuff.

1667
01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so for those listening, you know, Brian and I

1668
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>and our little code rat of fellow fellow miscreants. We'd

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<v Speaker 2>grab a camera and run around shooting hoping. I mean literally,

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01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:24.239
<v Speaker 2>the stuff we made was was after Office Space, so

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01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I have to imagine that it was at least tacitly

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01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:29.199
<v Speaker 2>inspired by this, you know.

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01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, probably. I've always been a fan of it.

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01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, in the right circumstance, some of we shouldn't

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01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.479
<v Speaker 1>have them, but you know, like Predator and the Predator

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01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:38.880
<v Speaker 1>something kind of fun about it.

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01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, seeing the actual people. So in terms of the

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01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:50.359
<v Speaker 2>box office, you know, this movie cost ten million and

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01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:54.039
<v Speaker 2>had twelve point two million when all of a sudden done.

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01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:56.279
<v Speaker 2>So it is a loss, but it's not a staggering loss,

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01:27:57.279 --> 01:28:02.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, can't we have more ten million dollar swings?

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01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh man? Seriously?

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01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like, even in this day and age, ten million

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01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>dollars would get you another movie such as Office Space.

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01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm gonna date this commentary, but I saw

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01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a movie recently called Presence, which is a Steven Soderberg movie,

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01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:22.319
<v Speaker 1>and I want to say it was made for like

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01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>three million dollars. And the whole idea is it's a

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01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>movie from the point of view of a ghost in

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01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:35.079
<v Speaker 1>a house. So the entire film is the camera is

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01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the ghosts POV and there's a family living there and

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01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the ghost is moving around and doing class and observing things.

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01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>That sounds really interesting.

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01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and three million bucks, you know what I mean, Like,

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01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:46.399
<v Speaker 1>you what do you got to lose? And it makes sense.

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01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:49.119
<v Speaker 1>It's just in one house, you got four actors, you know,

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01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:55.159
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I wish that major studios would support reasonable

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01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:56.319
<v Speaker 1>swings like that more often.

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01:28:56.359 --> 01:28:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, what have you got to lose?

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01:28:59.520 --> 01:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

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01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I mean that's ten million dollars is

1702
01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:07.439
<v Speaker 2>chump change in the big picture. And I would say,

1703
01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:10.840
<v Speaker 2>after twenty five years, they've made that money back, like

1704
01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:13.079
<v Speaker 2>they're you know, what I mean this, this movie does

1705
01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>not no longer belongs in the loss column. Absolutely, yeah, right,

1706
01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:19.279
<v Speaker 2>And and you know, sometimes it's worth it, you know.

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01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I wish I wish we'd get more of these. You know,

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01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I think this is kind of a singular film, and

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01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to think of something as singularly clever as

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01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>this in the in the in the interim, you know,

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01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:33.399
<v Speaker 2>about the same subject.

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01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean, when you spend less, you can

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01:29:37.119 --> 01:29:41.840
<v Speaker 1>take bigger swings. And it's nice that we get to

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01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:44.359
<v Speaker 1>see Mike Judge's voice unfiltered here, and we think about

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01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>all the people who have brilliant, observational kind of voices

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01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people would enjoy seeing and support

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01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and make it a success. But we don't get to

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01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>see those people because either they don't have the opportunity

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01:29:57.199 --> 01:30:01.159
<v Speaker 1>or because a large amount of he's being spent they

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01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:04.479
<v Speaker 1>have to change everything and make something that fits in

1721
01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:07.039
<v Speaker 1>a box that happens to be popular at the moment,

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01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and then we miss out, We miss out on office space.

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01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we would ended up with the fat boy

1724
01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Slim on the soundtrack for instance, exactly. It wouldn't have

1725
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.079
<v Speaker 2>been a great fit. No disrespect to fat boy Slim,

1726
01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:20.560
<v Speaker 2>but it's a.

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01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Great album, not right for this movie. Yeah. By the way,

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01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:27.279
<v Speaker 1>a credit we're watching the credits now, A credit I've

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01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:29.680
<v Speaker 1>never forgotten. I remember seeing this all the way back

1730
01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:32.399
<v Speaker 1>in the day. Is it says this film was cut

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01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:33.439
<v Speaker 1>entirely on a computer.

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01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>And I remember back then thinking, yeah, they're starting to

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01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:42.239
<v Speaker 1>do that, Like this isn't that weird crossover moment where

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01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I when I was doing film classes at College of DuPage,

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01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I was using like decks, editing decks, that's right, right,

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01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:52.039
<v Speaker 1>And I remember Sean had the editing software and I

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01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, show me how it works. And now

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01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>that's the industry standard. That's just what it is.

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01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it no longer merits a credit.

1741
01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:01.439
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:06.319
<v Speaker 2>I feel ancient after hearing that.

1743
01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, a moment in time.

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01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:13.439
<v Speaker 2>It really is geez. Yeah, the the lesson here and

1745
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:16.359
<v Speaker 2>you know you referred to Austin Powers earlier, and it's

1746
01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:20.039
<v Speaker 2>almost like both of these movies sort of belong together

1747
01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:22.279
<v Speaker 2>in that regard, right, because Austin Powers is another one

1748
01:31:22.359 --> 01:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>that nobody, nobody watched when it came out initially, and

1749
01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:30.199
<v Speaker 2>it really did become something magical once it came to

1750
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:32.199
<v Speaker 2>home video and then it you know, now, you know,

1751
01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>even people haven't seen Austin Powers. No, Austin Powers. Yeah,

1752
01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:42.600
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it feels like those those are the

1753
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.239
<v Speaker 2>risks that these studios should be taking more of, as

1754
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:49.239
<v Speaker 2>opposed to mounting the umpteenth remake of whatever or the

1755
01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>umpteenth sequel to whatever. Right, you know, we never got

1756
01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.439
<v Speaker 2>a sequel to this, thank goodness. Yeah, we don't need it,

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01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:31:56.960 --> 01:32:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Worth mentioning, by the way, that when when when the

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01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Office was being brought over to the United States, Mike

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01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Judge was involved in the earliest goings. Oh interesting, Yeah,

1762
01:32:07.159 --> 01:32:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I think I think he he dropped. I mean Greg Daniels,

1763
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:12.039
<v Speaker 2>who was his partner on King of the Hill, was

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01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.039
<v Speaker 2>in charge of the Office, right, So so Mike Judge

1765
01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:18.239
<v Speaker 2>was involved in the early stages and I think, uh,

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01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, some of the commentary about I think it

1767
01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:24.239
<v Speaker 2>was like he got he was sent like, you know,

1768
01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:27.479
<v Speaker 2>reviews of the British Office and some of the things

1769
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>like oh it's it's it's to something like oh it's

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01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>better than that American movie office Space or something like that,

1771
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, wow, okay, well, but.

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01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he did it. He covered his ground.

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01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.119
<v Speaker 1>And when you do Silicon Valley, that's a very different

1774
01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:44.319
<v Speaker 1>set different.

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01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:46.399
<v Speaker 2>And and and let's face it, you would not have

1776
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the Office without office Space. Yeah, no matter like the

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01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:54.359
<v Speaker 2>British incarnation, you know. But what a movie, man, This

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01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:55.760
<v Speaker 2>was fun. This is a great conversation.

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01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:59.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't get tired of this movie. This is one

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01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>of those ones too. I mean it has burned into

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01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:04.439
<v Speaker 1>my brain. I could probably karaoke a good percentage of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hey, those of you listening, what are your thoughts

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01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:10.800
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01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:12.920
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01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:15.520
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1787
01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:18.920
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01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:22.479
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01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:24.840
<v Speaker 2>also have a Patreon, Brian.

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01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.119
<v Speaker 1>That's right. If you head over to patreon dot com

1791
01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:30.720
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1797
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<v Speaker 2>There you go, and with that on behalf of my

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01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:58.079
<v Speaker 2>partner Brian Home. My name is Zachie Asam. This has

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<v Speaker 2>been our commentary track for Office Space Kitchen Next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Folkes