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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast tonight. I'm

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joined by Pete from North Carolina, a lifelong outdoorsman, Army veteran,

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and witness to decades of strange activity along the Dan River,

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the Smith River, and the Blue Ridge Mountains. What started

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as missing deer, unexplained sounds, and strange movement near the

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river eventually turned into a face to face encounter with

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an eight foot tall sasquatch that approached him and his

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son while hunting. Pete describes a charcoal gray creature with

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short hair, a massive brow ridge, sunken eyes, thin lips,

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and a powerful muscular build. A bean that moved with

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intelligence and purpose from bluff charges, red eyed figures, broken

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neck animals, rocks and limbs thrown at fishermen, tree knocks,

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whistles echoing across the river, and unexplained lights moving through

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the forest. Pete's story connects a long chain of events

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that span multiple properties and locations. This is not one encounter.

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This is a lifetime of experiences that built up to

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something he can no longer explain away. If you enjoy

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With all that being said, let's dive straight into Pete's

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bigfoot encounters from the state of North Carolina. All right, Pete,

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welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. It's an absolute pleasure to

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have you back on the podcast, and you told your

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encounters from North Carolina from the Dan River. If you would,

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let's talk about those experiences, those encounters again and kind

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of refreshing everyone on what you saw and everything that's

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happened since our last podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, back on my first podcast with you,

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I talked about it Spy and me and my son

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had back in. It was twenty and twelve March or

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twenty fifth and I we'll forget it. We went out

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into the river bottoms to get some river cane and.

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Speaker 3: There was this place that.

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Speaker 2: I nted for like twelve years, and I'd had all

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kinds of weird stuff.

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Speaker 3: Happened to me there, you know.

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Speaker 2: I'd had the animals stole from me there that I shot, stole.

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Speaker 3: Out here, vocalizations, wondered what.

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Speaker 2: They were, had stuff moved around. I'd actually was in

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a blind and had one of them walk up behind me.

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But the morning we had the sight and we walked

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up a you had to walk up, you had to park.

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Used to you could ride in, but the four wheelers

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got so bad tearing up his land everything. He put

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up a gate and we parked outside the gate. There.

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We walked about seventy five yards. We topped this hill

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and there was this long bottom that went out. When

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we topped the hill, I thought I was looking at

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a man, and way out in the corner of the bottom,

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I seen something. I thought it was just an explosion

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of movement. I thought it was something a little like

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a bat was running on all fours and my son

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was sort of standing to the to the left front

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of me, and he was frozen, and all of a

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sudden I caught something out of the corner of my

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eye to the left down the hill towards the creek

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where the bottom ended, and it was but anyway caught movement,

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and I looked and this thing was running up the

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hill towards us. It was about something eight foot tall.

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Uh it uh was running right at us. I just

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froze and my son was still looking at the one

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running out along the bottom, the real long bottom, And

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then all of a sudden, this thing just veered off

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and went up in the woods. And but when we

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went out into the field, I I want, it wasn't

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registering to me what had just happened. You know, you

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just everything you've been taught stuff like that don't exist.

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Speaker 3: But it does.

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Speaker 2: But you know, at the time, it wasn't registered on

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me what I had seen. So we went on out

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in the bottom and we were getting the river cane

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to make some ras. And while we were standing there,

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when we're in a huge bottom right there along the river,

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you can look out along this tree line or people

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call them headgerows, tree lines, property lines. But you could

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see this thing, the one that had run out along

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that long bottom. It it went up and it was

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standing there watching us the whole time. We picked the

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river cane and my son he was being out of shaving.

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He's going dadless, let's get it out of here. I said,

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it ain't bothering us. And I said if it, if

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it comes towards us, we'll.

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Speaker 3: Just go down the river.

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Speaker 2: And uh but it stood there the whole time until

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we left and watched us. And I tell people now,

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if you got a camera, if you got a cell phone,

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always take it with you because you just don't never

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know what you're going to run up on a sea. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, What did the sasquatch look like? Did they both

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look identical or do they look different?

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Speaker 2: The one I really didn't get a good look at,

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the one that that run out along the long bottom

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because it was saying it was it was standing maybe

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thirty forty yards away, but you know, I was it

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was just so much movement going on.

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Speaker 3: You didn't know what to look at.

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Speaker 2: And then this other one come bysh my best recorllet Uh.

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What I can remember is, you know, I never wrote

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anything down, but I'm starting to. This thing was about

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seven eight foot tall.

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Speaker 3: It was covered in.

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Speaker 2: Uh like a charcoal gray or grayish black uh hat

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wanting a long hair, It's more like fuzz. The abdomen,

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didn't have no hair on it, and you could see

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every muscle in it. I mean, it was if it

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was ripped. The only thing I'd say it had a

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there was no hair around the face. It's just like

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the hair went around. It had a flat nose, thin lips, uh,

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raised aylbrow, you know, really abrupt sunken eyes. Uh it.

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maybe human looking both maybe you know That's what I sang.

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But I'd seen them before, and I didn't know what

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they were. I thought they were bass because they were

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on all fours. I've seen them twice before. And but

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the only thing that got me about that, when a

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bass says you it's gonna bolt, it's not gonna it's

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not gonna wagh around, it's gonna boat. And whatever this was,

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it was on all fours. And I was down there

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another time getting the river cane and looking for mushrooms

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and morals, and and uh, it watched me the whole

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time I was there, and it was on all fours.

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But as time went on, you know, I talked to you,

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I got out of service, and I would say it

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was nineteen eighty. I spent three years in the army,

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and when I got out of the army, I was

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helping a guy in tobacco and he.

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Speaker 3: Had several properties, and.

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Speaker 2: I started getting into airhead hunting and I go go

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to this one place. One place I airhead hunted. I

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also catfished at night.

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Speaker 3: And I remember.

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Speaker 2: Me and a fellaw we went down one night and

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fished and we uh. All of a sudden, that looking

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down the bottom, and I tapped him on the shoulder.

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I said, you see that light coming up a river

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bottom and he said, ah, it's that's a street light.

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I said, it ain't nobody, ain't no houses down in here.

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I said, this this river bottom goes probably it was

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probably a mile long. And then also it went where

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the river bottom stopped, there was a big creek come

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in and up that creek there were two creeks that met,

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and right in that fort was an Indian man and

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that's where that light come out of the woods at

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and uh.

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Speaker 3: But I kept watching that light.

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Speaker 2: He kept fishing, and finally this light was about fifty

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yards from us. I tapped him on the shoulder. I said, look,

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street light right there, it's moving. He said, let's get

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out of here, I said, I've been wanting to go

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for the last hour. But as time went on, you know,

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I never didn't think much more about that. But as

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time went on, I hunting some other places, and uh,

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there was one bottom in particular. It was another huge

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bottom here along as Dan River. I would say at

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bottom was probably almost two miles long. And uh, when

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I first started hunting, hunting the bottom, you know it, Uh,

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you know, you didn't you don't think about things. But

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I remember as you come down to park at the

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bottom half that there was some people this sort of

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lived up the road there.

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Speaker 3: Not far from where where our part.

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Speaker 2: But they had a they were elderly couple and they

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had a German shepherd dog and he would come running

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down there every time and he'd bark at you, you know,

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and I'd always throw my hand up if them pay

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out in the yard. But I remember it was like

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maybe two or three years I hunted that bottom. Probably

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ten years, but I would say two to three years

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Speaker 3: And it was all.

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Speaker 2: Farm road.

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Speaker 3: It split the bottoms in there, and I was walking.

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Speaker 2: Out along that road there and that was that German

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shepherd dog laying on its side and it was dead.

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And I said, what load life has then shot this dog?

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I thought maybe a hunder down there and shot the

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dog or something, you know, and uh. I walked over

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to the dog and I turned it over. There was

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no blood on it, but I got to know his

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head was wabbling around. Says neck must have been broken.

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I'm going, well, that don't have this dog die? Well,

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you know, I didn't think too much more about that,

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you know, and.

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Speaker 3: H you just don't.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're not you know when something's wrong, but

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you just can't put your finger on it.

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Speaker 3: So ah.

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Speaker 2: As time went on, I started finding more dead dogs

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down the now with the next broken. And I think

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one of the last times I went in that bottom

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down in the far corner of the bottom, there was.

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Speaker 3: The river made a bend in now and it was

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a huge ticket right along the river there run along

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the river.

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Speaker 2: And some bottom ash and and sycamores and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: And I was hunting right in that bend.

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Speaker 2: There was a little vintage sight there and I was

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hunting airheads. And I said, I'm gonna walk down that

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ticket look out across the river there because I know

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as long as I'd hunted that bottom, I never had.

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So I go down in that ticket and I'm walking

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up along the river there and there was this bottom ash,

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white ash, and right below it was a hunk of

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meat half the size of attire below that tree, and

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I'm going, what what in the heck?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Uh? And up on up there's a cow pasture and

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down but it's really an upland cow pasture. And the

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only thing I thought, you know, something killed a cow

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and brought the meat down there and put it under

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that tree like it was hiding it. But I'm going

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a bear or Mountline's gonna eat it right there. You know,

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they're not gonna carry something and hide it. That would

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take hands. You know. It just weirded me out. And

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I got out of there that day. I said, there's

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something strange going on here, So I left. Now, that

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was one of the last times I hunted that bottom.

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But always it was I always thought that it was

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some use being watched in that bottom. You know, you

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got that feeling you're being watched. But but going on back. Ah,

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that was my experience.

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Speaker 3: For that bottom.

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Speaker 2: Uh. But mainly all the bottoms that I ever went

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in in that area.

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Speaker 3: I always thought I was being watched. You just had

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that feeling like you had eyeballs on you. But uh,

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then I bought Uh.

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Speaker 2: As time went on, me and my son, as he

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got older, we started doing some fly fishing together and

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we go up on the apple Smith River.

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Speaker 3: That was a tributary of the Dam.

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Speaker 2: Well listen, uh, right the area where I lived, The

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Smith float into the Dan the Mayo River. Uh. Let's

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see Cashcade Creek and Wolf Island Cree. Those were two

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big all the two two big tributaries of the day.

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But up on the apple Smith we were up below

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the Blue Blue Ridge mountains. We had the foot of them,

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and it was a place we used to go. We parked,

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go up the river do some fly fishing and spinner

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fishing for trout. And I remember one time uh that

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we went up. We were waiting up for river. Down

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river made up a bend, real sharp bend in them

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and uh and it was a blood fair. It was rocky,

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not no big trees, but it was some And right

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as we got in the bend of the river there

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where that bluff was, it was something that went up

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that bluff and it sounded like a cow or buffalo

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going through them trees, knocking the limbs off. And but

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we went back down the creek, got in the truck

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and left. I don't know what that was, didn't know

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what it was, But now that I look back on things,

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I have a feeling I know what it was. But

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as time went on, we fished that place some more,

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and I remember we had parked at this other place.

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Speaker 3: This guy gave us permission. He had a.

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Speaker 2: Cow pasture in there, kept his horses, and we would

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talk air and walk out through the pasture of this

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one spot, and then we'd wade up the creek. Well,

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I remember we were fishing that day and we were

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doing pretty good. We were having a good day fishing.

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And we walked up and there was this like there

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was a bank, saw of a steep bank, and uh.

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We walked up that bank and we were in the

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corner of the bottom right off to the left. It

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was bluff that come down on some bolders and I am

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and it sounded like a baby crime. I said, something

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you hear that asks a baby crime. Well, I started

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walking towards it, and he grabbed me. He said, Daddy,

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they ain't no baby. I said, what you mean, He said,

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there ain't no baby. Why would a baby be out

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here in the middle of nowhere. So that was another

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time I got weardy of that.

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Speaker 3: We went, we.

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Speaker 2: Walked on down the river.

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Speaker 3: Back to the call. We left that day.

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Speaker 2: I remember as time went on, I kept fishing that place,

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and I'm one year we went up. Well, I went

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up there by myself and it was in Mark was

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into February March. It was still cold. Ah, I mean

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I had to wear waiters. UH had to layer up,

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you know. It was still cold, but still some good

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trap fishing. And I walked up on a sandbar and uh,

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there were three sets of barefoot footprints.

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Speaker 3: I'm going, somebody's.

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Speaker 2: Been down there for fishing and walking in the creek barefooted,

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you know. And now that I look back on that,

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why would anybody be down there in cold weather walking

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around barefoot on a sandbar. So I just sort of

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pushed that off to the side. I really didn't think

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much about that. But as time went on, Uh, I

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bought me some laying along the dan rubber, and I

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started letting people come fish. And then they't tell me

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stuff that happened at night. They had rocks and sticks

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and stuff like that thrown at them and uh, and

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I'd look at my son, I said, you know, I

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thought they were uh they were going down that night catfishing.

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I looked at my son, they coming down here getting drunk.

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We were we were laughing, and but uh, I just

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blowed that off.

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Speaker 3: And uh. Then I had this.

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Speaker 2: Other guy he uh, he come up to me. He said,

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you mind if I go down there fishing at night.

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And I said, no, I don't care if you go fishing.

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Speaker 3: Just just be careful and.

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Speaker 2: Gotten the stuff we had, just pick it up and

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tell you where you when you go. I don't I

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don't care what you do. So uh it was about

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two weeks later I seen him and he told me

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that he was fishing he heard a woman screaming, and

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uh he said, I actually thought it was a woman

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getting murdered. And he uh, he said, I started going

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to the sound of the screaming, but the screaming was

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coming towards me, and then all of a sudden, back

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in behind that screaming was more screaming, and then straight

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across the river something was screaming.

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Speaker 3: He said, I had a.

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Speaker 2: Bad feeling come over me. I left the roding rills

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and everything. I run and I didn't stop till I

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got to the car, and I told my son about it,

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and I said, dag on, what's going.

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Speaker 3: On down there at night? You know?

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Speaker 2: I I bought the land. I've hall daver used it myself,

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you know, except for maybe I had some friends come down.

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We went kayaking, and other than that, that was about it.

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Speaker 3: And then.

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Speaker 2: I had some other people come and they said they

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heard something they never heard before, and it caused the

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grandson to start crying and they left. But and then

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that led up to my that particular time, Dad led

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up to my sight and because I was hunting across

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the creek up there and I was having all kinds

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of stuff going on with me. Uh, I know that

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I had shot Setle dead and I found whether bled

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out and they were gone something something. I thought somebody

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had stole them on. But my son told me, said, Daddy,

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where is you there?

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Speaker 3: They don'et bled it.

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Speaker 2: Out right here, And I said, well, where are they?

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They're gone? And I blowed that off of somebody standing

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on them. And but I didn't know at the time,

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what you know, what it could have been. I just

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bloated off on people, you know, just pushed it off

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on people doing it.

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Speaker 3: So but.

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Speaker 2: Uh, as time went on, I moved from that area

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and I moved up on the Smith River. It was

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that's all. It comes out of the mountains and flows

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to the dam right here where I live. Uh, about

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maybe five miles along the river above where my land

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used to be. But anyway, I where I had moved to,

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I didn't have no neighbors none, and uh town was

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two miles away.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I think my nearest neighbor was maybe a mile and

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my front yard was a river. And across from it

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there was one hundred acre park that didn't nobody go on,

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and the guide owned it. Uh. I talked with him

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one day and and.

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Speaker 3: I asked him if I could go walking over there,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: When hunting says and what And then he said, well, Pete,

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don't nobody hunt over here. And if you go walking,

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if you see anybody, you know you look after you

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over here more than I am. And if you see

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anybody you don't think needs to be over here or

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they tearing up something, run them off. And I said,

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well I will, so uh. They gave me a play

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to go walk and take my dog out with me too.

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Speaker 3: And but.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I didn't have no neighbors. Maybe the

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first two years I lived there, one nothing significance, you know.

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It happened, but I mumble. It was back in maybe

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two thousand and eight. I got off of work early

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one night, and if we worked a lot over time,

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we weren't doing nothing. We could take overtime reduction. We

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need to do something next day, you know, we could

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leave work early. So I took some overtime reduction that night,

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and I left the plane at three o'clock in the morning,

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and it took me an hour to get.

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Speaker 3: The drive. Took me by an hour, you know, to

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get back home.

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Speaker 2: So I come home that morning. I got home exactly

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four o'clock in the morning, parked the call, got out.

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Like I said, there's nobody around me. And when I

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shut the door, right up above the house there there

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was an old farm road that went in or a

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logging road where they'd done some timbering. And there but

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up on that road there, and this is four o'clock

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in the morning, it was something. It was like a

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hol scream. Started out as a great, big, real loud,

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high and then it went into a scream, and I said,

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what in the world was at And I just froze

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because I'd never heard nothing like that. Well, I was

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funding to get my keys, and I finally got in

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the house. I told my wife about it, and she said,

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you're crazy. You know, she's just messing. When we said

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you didn't end, I said, well, you all been out there.

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So you know, as time went on, it's like other

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little things started happening.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I got to notice and stuff, you know, Like I

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had like one really you know, significant stuff, you know,

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but I used it to work with. Uh, I'll split

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wood at the back of the house. And I had

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some wedges get stole, just this little stuff, you know,

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you just couldn't put your finger on it. How how

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it got missing? But it's just little stuff. And I

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thought somebody's coming up here at night getting this stuff.

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But I remember right after that my wife had this.

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I believe it was her first encounter. She went out

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that night. It was about it might have been eleven

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o'clock at night. She let the little dog out, and

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when she got as you come out in front of

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my house, it was like a great big cement patio

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and we'd sit down in the summertime, and around the

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corner there was a great big deck on the house.

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But that was deck went around my house three quarters

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of the house all the way around, and we set

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up on a bluff looking down at the river. But

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up on top of that bluff the driveway went down

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and she looked down at the bottom of the driveway way.

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She come back in said, what's got red eyes? And

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I was, I was yanking a chain. I said, well,

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it was a drunk and she she said, shut up,

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that wasn't no drunk. Something red eyes down there. So

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I go out and look around. I don't see nothing,

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but uh, you know, there's this like little stuff and

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then she started in, ah, white stuff.

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Speaker 3: Across the street.

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Speaker 2: You know. Uh she said it sounded like a dog,

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but it was it is like somebody mimicking the like

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or hurt puppy or something. And uh, never did see it.

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But I remember my son he was still living now

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with men. He went out on the deck. He said

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when he walked out on the deck every one day

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was off the yard. I really didn't have no yard.

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It wasn't much of a yard anyway. And he said

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it was something off to the side down on top

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of that bluff where we were at, and it run

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off that bank, and he said, whatever it was, it

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was watching us, and it was big. Well, we walked

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over there and looked, and it was a well worn

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path coming up from the river up that bluff to

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the top where my house was at, off to the

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side there and these we were there. There was a

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great big poplar tree and had these vines growing up.

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And where the poplar tree was you could we had

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these great big bay wonders and you could look to

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the house their. Well, my son said, Daddy, look Youanna said,

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all the all the vines that wore off down here,

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and now father still growing like something that ripped those

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vines off or wore them off.

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Speaker 3: Stand now.

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Speaker 2: But I said, that's strange. It's like something stand down

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and pulling them vines off. But I remember, uh, my son,

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he was doing some trapping up the river there and

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he uh put a lag he was trapping orders. He

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found this auto slide and he put a lag bolt

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in it. And he didn't even put this off. This

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h I'm not a trapper, but it's the thing you

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drive in the ground and then holds a trap too.

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Speaker 3: And he said, that that was right in the middle

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of the trap.

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Speaker 2: In that one thing was right in the middle of

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the utter slide, had it covered up, and then he

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had the lag boat chained to that too in the tree.

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This was a ten inch lag boat screwed all the

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way in. It was about about two or three days

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later he said, Dad, come in, I'm gonna show you something.

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So we walked up and rubbered maybe half a mile

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where he was trapping, and the lag boat, everything was

478
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jumped up out of the ground, out of the tree.

479
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:32,240
The trap was gone. He said, Dad, I said, do

480
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,200
you think a bear got in the trap, because that's

481
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,559
the only thing I think of, n And he said, Dad,

482
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:43,319
this was yanked out of the tree, now the ground.

483
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,839
And I'm going, yeah, you you right, I said, whatever,

484
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,599
that was pretty dag on big the yank cat out

485
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:59,920
out of the ground, now the tree. But you know,

486
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,880
not all all things up there didn't happened, you know,

487
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,519
at once. It was like little things like down down

488
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:10,920
on the damn rivers, just like little things that all

489
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:15,880
led up to one thing. And and it was over

490
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:19,440
time period too. It might not have been it might

491
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,039
have been weeks months. Maybe something would happen and then

492
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,440
I remember my son coming back to me.

493
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: It said, come here, I got to show you something else.

494
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: So we go up the river there and there was

495
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,840
this great big gum tree and it was sort of

496
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,159
being out of this This was a steep bluff too.

497
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,679
Speaker 3: I mean, I just.

498
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: Can't some places almost straight down. But right here where

499
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,880
it took me, it was like a gum tree sort

500
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,719
of grown out.

501
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:53,039
Speaker 3: And up.

502
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,559
Speaker 2: But nine foot to the ground. Claw marks on that tree.

503
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:02,119
It was wore out whatever whatever was doing it. I

504
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,559
told my son, I said, that's pretty strange. Then I

505
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,960
got to notice them all around us. The trees were dead.

506
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,119
It's like that one aa all all the trees were

507
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:22,320
just dead, rotted dead, just I don't know, strange. And

508
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,960
I remember going up the river there one day and

509
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:33,519
it was this tree had fell down next to the river,

510
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,119
but it fell back away from the river. Well, I

511
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,039
was as I was coming back, I noticed there were

512
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,159
I thought there were tree limbs that it broke off

513
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,800
a tree when it fell, laying up against.

514
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,679
Speaker 3: That blog of the tree.

515
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,519
Speaker 2: So as I go by and look at it, they

516
00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:00,800
were laid up against it, and I said, well, maybe

517
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,920
they washed in. Then I got to thinking when that's

518
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,360
on the down stream side of the tree. Couldn't couldn't,

519
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,960
couldn't wash in there, you know. So I go around

520
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,639
these these limbs were laid up against that tree, almost

521
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:16,800
a little like a little shelter or something.

522
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: You know.

523
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:22,119
Speaker 2: You you really have to know what you were looking

524
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,239
at and sort of catch it. But that caught my eye.

525
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,599
And then at night you would hear tree knocking up

526
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:33,280
and down. I'd say, I tell them, the patio at night,

527
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,840
you would hear tree knocking. Uh, let's see what else.

528
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:50,719
I'd heard more vocalizations, tree knocking, Ah, just all kinds

529
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:56,840
of stuff. And my son, him and him, some of

530
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,440
his my youngest son, him and some of his baddies.

531
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:01,559
Speaker 3: They were go down and play in the park, you know.

532
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,639
Speaker 2: And I remember one time he was sort of late

533
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:10,639
getting home, and he told me that he dropped down.

534
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,840
There was a bridge right below the house, an went

535
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,519
across the rover and he said, when he dropped down

536
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,880
beside the bridge there that's another big bluff in there.

537
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,519
And he said when he got to the bottom of

538
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:28,400
the hill, he could hear something up in there walking

539
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,400
around where he had just come from. And I told him,

540
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,880
I said, you don't go back over there, and I

541
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,119
morena stay that late.

542
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,159
Speaker 3: By yourself, or if you.

543
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: Go somewhere over there, let somebody know where you had.

544
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:50,719
But as time went on, like I said, you know,

545
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,960
I lived there fifteen years, and it was just so

546
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:55,360
much stuff that happened.

547
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 3: And I remember.

548
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: I was sitting down on the patio one night and

549
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:06,599
I heard somebody like they were beating on a tree

550
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:13,639
across the road upon this bluff, and I said, I

551
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,400
wont to who's over there this time of the night.

552
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:21,199
So I was sitting there listen to this, and I

553
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:27,079
have a there's a piece of lumber laying there, and

554
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,000
I hit to deck with it a couple of times,

555
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,840
and it got real quiet. Well, I was sitting now

556
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,039
you could hear something like I couldn't put my my

557
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:43,360
finger on it, but I could hear something, and it

558
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,960
sounded like it was shaking the tree, and I said,

559
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,079
what in the world is that? And then right down

560
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:55,679
below me where the bridge starts, it sounded like something

561
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,440
was going over the guard railing and rolling down that bluff,

562
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,960
and I'm going, what in the world is that? And

563
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,559
then all of a sudden it just got real, real quiet,

564
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:11,719
And then all of a sudden.

565
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: I heard crack boom, and it had pushed whatever it was,

566
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,639
it pushed over a tree.

567
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: I didn't know it then, but the next day I

568
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,199
walked up in there and looked and it was a

569
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,159
tree the size of a dinner plate that had been

570
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:39,000
pushed over. It didn't break the tree, it broke the

571
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:44,119
roots in the ground. That's what made the noise. And

572
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,639
Betty I left from up air that day.

573
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: I got out of them.

574
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:58,079
Speaker 2: But like I said, as time went on, you know

575
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:08,480
stuff stuff, little stuff, you know, little stuff, little things.

576
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,280
And I remember my wife had went to work, she

577
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,480
worked at the nursing home.

578
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:15,639
Speaker 3: She went to work at night.

579
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: My son took the dog out, and son come back, said, Daddy,

580
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,559
the dog's gone. But the dog always went out. As

581
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:28,719
soon as he believed yourself. He come right back to

582
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:35,360
the house and it had been gone about ten minutes.

583
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,840
He said, Dad, the dog's gone. I don't know where

584
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,880
it's at. It's gone, but we never I called it.

585
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,599
Stayed up most of the night calling it, and went

586
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:49,760
out the next day and looked for it. Didn't even

587
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,079
find a trace of it. It was gone. Whatever guy

588
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:56,880
that was in the yard on my property and knew

589
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,960
that it had come out. We let it out every night.

590
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:13,960
But like I said, I'd heard other things. But we

591
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,199
lived there about fifteen years. Then the state came in.

592
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,480
I had to rebuild that bridge, and they claimed imminent

593
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:31,679
domain and we had to leave. So uh, we started

594
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:37,280
looking for houses. And I remember the deck went around

595
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,519
the house and it was it was in October, and

596
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,119
I fixed breakfast that morning for me and my wife.

597
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,519
Everybody was gone and we went out on the deck,

598
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:53,119
was gonna eat. I took I cooked breakfast, walked around

599
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,119
the deck. She was getting ready come. The sun had

600
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:57,480
just come up. It ain't been that long. But that

601
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,480
was one good thing about that place. We had a

602
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:04,960
lot of good seeing me uh. And then uh there

603
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:09,360
was I was sitting now waiting for her to come out.

604
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,000
And up on that bluff where the tree it got

605
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:19,519
pushed over, I heard a whistle like a y'all, just

606
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:25,960
like just like like like like me and you wi

607
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,480
was just a quick whistle. And then straight across the

608
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:33,519
river there was another whistle right down below me across

609
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:37,639
the river. And I'd heard about that, you know, at

610
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:41,880
the time, And now I heard these things whistle, and

611
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:49,480
I said, well, i'll be dagon. But right after we moved, Uh,

612
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,920
it might have been where I'm at here now. It

613
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,400
might have been two years after removed. My wife come

614
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,440
up to me one day and said, I wasn't gonna

615
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,320
tell you because I know it would have probably got

616
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,920
you upset and everything.

617
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: But she was out by herself one day at the

618
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,400
house and.

619
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: I bought her this sow swing treated lumba swing, and

620
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,559
I put it out down on the deck where she

621
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,559
could come out, you know, during the spring of summer,

622
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,239
set out there, and like I said, we were in

623
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:35,119
the woods and fields and revels and this beautiful scenery.

624
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,400
But right across the road there was a service road

625
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,519
that went up into that old park, and it had

626
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:46,639
a bluff up anna in a hollow, and that had

627
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,800
hollow had rode a.

628
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: Dendrum all in it.

629
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: But she said she was sitting now and it come

630
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,000
down to the edge of that service road, and she

631
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,039
said she was sitting there swinging. When she swung back

632
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,960
ch out and looked over. She said, a man standing

633
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,159
now watching him, and need to mind you, there's nobody

634
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,960
that really goes over there. And she said she didn't

635
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,360
see nobody go in that morning, and mind you, she's

636
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,320
there by herself. And she said she was keeping an

637
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,480
eye on him. She said she swung back again and

638
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:26,920
it was crouched down, and she said, she told me,

639
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,039
She said, I at first I thought, what's she doing

640
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,960
with a scuba diving outfit on? And then she swung

641
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:42,639
back again and she could see that wasn't no scuba

642
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:48,159
diving outfit. It was half that she was looking at. Well,

643
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,800
she got up and running inside, locked all the doors,

644
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,679
went up to my son's room, was looking out. She

645
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,760
didn't see it no more, but she lo all the

646
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,800
doors at the house.

647
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: And uh.

648
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,159
Speaker 2: But she finally told me. But I told her, if

649
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,760
you ever have anything like that happened again, you tell me.

650
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,079
Speaker 3: But like after.

651
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:18,039
Speaker 2: That, we moved, and like I said, we moved and

652
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,039
now I'm in a different place now.

653
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: And but you know, as you.

654
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:32,679
Speaker 2: Delve into this stuff a little bit, sometimes you just

655
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,320
sit back and listen. You really don't have to say nothing.

656
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,519
I remember I was out at this outdoors store one

657
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,760
day next town over, about fourteen miles from here, Madison,

658
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,880
North Carolina. I'll just tell you what it is. It

659
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,960
was a sporting good store there. It may need sold

660
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,920
fish and equipment, and I went up had to get

661
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:10,239
some lowis to go trap fishing. And I was just

662
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,800
standing there and this guy was talking and the guy

663
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,559
was waiting on me. He told that guy, I said,

664
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,840
you crazy. He said, wytn't you just shut up?

665
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,519
Speaker 3: You crazy?

666
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,039
Speaker 2: And I heard him say something about bigfoot, and I

667
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:28,199
really didn't didn't. I just heard bigfoot. So I got

668
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,559
my stuff. That guy went on outside. I think he

669
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:33,679
was doing some work there too, because when I went outside,

670
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,039
he was getting some tools out and I said, so,

671
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,239
can I talk to you for a minute? He said yeah.

672
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:44,880
I said, what was you off? I heard you say

673
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,039
something about bigfoot? And I said, if you ever seen one?

674
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,400
He said, oh yeah, he said years ago, me and

675
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,000
a friend of mine, we were up on the Mail River.

676
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:03,400
That's another remote part of this county. Uh may I

677
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:09,519
just his none but woods, bottom lands, forests, uh bluffs,

678
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:15,920
just little uh all the little tributaries coming into those

679
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,000
river Mayo River. But he said where he was at.

680
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:23,760
He was down below a place called England's Own Mill.

681
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,960
And I knew where he was talking about, but I

682
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,119
didn't know exactly where he was at. I never did

683
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,320
ask him, but I knew about where he was at.

684
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,280
He said, him and his buddy had to drive in

685
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,559
to this place to go fishing, and they they set

686
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:43,320
up camp. They were there like he said, it was

687
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,519
about two o'clock in the morning. They had a fire

688
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,920
going and they were fishing talking and his buddy tapped

689
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,760
him on the shoulder and he said, look over across

690
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,119
the river. Some man stand there. He said, He looked over.

691
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:59,000
He said, sure enough, he said, was a man. He

692
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:00,960
said where the fire I was lit up? It was

693
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:06,039
lighting everything up that glowed around you. And he said, oh, ware,

694
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,760
you can say it. Uh, he said, man, he was

695
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,119
like a man standing there. And he said, all of

696
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,400
a sudden the man come down that bank was crossing

697
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,320
the river toward gym and he said, about halfway across

698
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,719
the river, he said, look, if this is a joke,

699
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,840
it's then damn gone to far well.

700
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: He picked up his.

701
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,679
Speaker 2: Gun and he said, all of a sudden, he said,

702
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,599
you can see red. This thing had red eyes. And

703
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,400
he said, I shot it three times. He said, I

704
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,159
shot it. He said, this thing let out a scream.

705
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,199
We run, got in the truck. We left everything, got

706
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:46,559
in the truck and run.

707
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,199
Speaker 3: And got out of there.

708
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: He said, we come back about three days later. He

709
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,159
said everything was toe up, tent rods and rills. He said,

710
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:02,280
everything was toe up. But he said they never did

711
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,039
go back to that place no more. They savage what

712
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:10,400
they could and they never did go back. But he

713
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:14,199
also told me that the next county, over States County,

714
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,559
there was a lot of sightings there. Said he knew

715
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:23,159
a preacher had seen one. Uh, he knew uh other

716
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:25,320
people that had seen him.

717
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: Ah.

718
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: I talked to a guy his father used to be

719
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,159
chief police over in that area, somewhere one of those towns,

720
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,920
and he said, his father on some land up on

721
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,320
it was a creek called Snow Creek, and they were

722
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,960
he go up at boat hunting and he said he

723
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:49,719
was out in the stand one day and he said,

724
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:55,360
something come down. He's right, son, had donet gone down,

725
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,719
but it was still light. He said, this thing, whatever,

726
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,119
whoever he thought it was so body at first, he said,

727
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:04,719
he come down in behind him, walked off to the

728
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,199
side of him, to the left, and he looked.

729
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,599
Speaker 3: He said, I wanted no body.

730
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:11,199
Speaker 2: He said, whatever this was, it was covered in hair

731
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:16,239
and walking upright. He said, it walked down. He said

732
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,199
it across the creek, went up the creek and over

733
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,960
in front of him was it was a rock overhang.

734
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,079
Said he got up under that rock overhang, crashed down,

735
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,039
was watching him, and he said he got the heck

736
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:41,400
out of that. And I've talked to another boy and

737
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,000
he was talking about some sightings back in that area

738
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,159
on the Stokes rocking Ham. Came a line that they

739
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:54,559
had seen one guy hunting had seen a male and

740
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,639
a female bigfoot is what he.

741
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,559
Speaker 3: Said, you know.

742
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: And in this particular person he lived, he lived, I

743
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:13,519
would say, and he lived in between Madison and Stanbule,

744
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,679
North Carolina. He said it lived off a road called

745
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,199
Janet Road. And he said it and uh, his kids

746
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,039
rode the bus every morning. They had fixed them a

747
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,599
little place the bus had to come down and now

748
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:33,119
and turn around to pick his kids up. So uh,

749
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,480
this little born little girl, that's why they caught the

750
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:42,400
bus every day. And he said, ah the uh that

751
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,840
afternoon when he got home, his little girl said, Daddy,

752
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,800
he said, was a man standing down that day up

753
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,320
under the tree watching us?

754
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:51,679
Speaker 3: He said what.

755
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: He said, Yeah, it was a man. He was dressed

756
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,079
up in black. He was standing there watching us while

757
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,039
we were waiting on the bus us and he said,

758
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:03,440
I want you to come with me and show me

759
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,679
where it was at. So him and the little girl

760
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,639
and his son went down down and he said where

761
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:13,079
was he standing?

762
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 3: Said?

763
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,079
Speaker 2: Right up on that tree lamb right there. And he

764
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:18,440
looked it was about the limb was probably about eight

765
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,360
foot off of the ground. And she said he was

766
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,599
just standing right just barely up under it. And he

767
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,159
said after that he never did let his kids ride

768
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,039
the bus anymore. He took him to school.

769
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,079
Speaker 3: And then.

770
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: He said he knew a person going to work one

771
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,639
morning in that area said to sing one cross the

772
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,880
road and as he got up where it was at,

773
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,800
it was laying in the ditch, balled up. I guess

774
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,239
where he couldn't see it just singing, balled itself up

775
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,480
and tried to eye itself laying in the ditch alongside

776
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:08,000
the road. But uh, I had a I had a friend.

777
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,920
It was a game warden and h I'm not gonna

778
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,559
say no names or anything, but he h I asked

779
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:25,519
him one time, I said what I said? You you

780
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,360
I know him real good, and uh, I just cracked

781
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,119
on him. I said, what do you think about bigfoot?

782
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,159
I said, if you ever had any experiences with that

783
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,480
in your life. And he told me, I mean, he

784
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:45,960
didn't waste no time. You know. It's even like he

785
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:48,159
started talking and he's gonna shut me up, or he's

786
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:49,079
gonna tell me something.

787
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 3: So he started talking. He said.

788
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: He was a.

789
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:57,119
Speaker 3: Game warden te what Mage.

790
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: County, and he said that I got a call one

791
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:07,400
day to uh go this guy's house. Something was killing

792
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:13,440
his dogs. Well he went there and uh he said,

793
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,559
back up and now where I went, and said, you

794
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,960
wouldn't haunt anybody around you. This this navel might have

795
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,840
been four miles away, but he said. Guy said come

796
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,559
on and show you something, and said he went down

797
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,400
the hill there and there's this saw right a while

798
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,519
and he said it was literally thrown in half. And

799
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:40,159
the guy said that ain't nothing. And back up in

800
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:43,719
there behind his house about a quarter mile whales boulders.

801
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,519
They climbed up on them boulders, and that were pieces

802
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:54,480
of meat drying on the rock like jerky. And he

803
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:58,320
said that didn't hit me. He said, you know, wondering

804
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:02,320
if you know it, He said, one registering with me

805
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,800
what was going on here? So he said, well that

806
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,840
ain't nothing. Come on, I want to show you something else.

807
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:12,599
So they went in behind them boulders down the hill

808
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,519
and now we're eight inches circumference trees that were twisted

809
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:24,159
up in knots broke and twisted and put in knots now.

810
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:30,639
He said, that got my attention, and I said, if

811
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,760
you ever had any other experiences, and he told me.

812
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,960
He said, one time I was working this illegal duck

813
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:44,440
blind and this was in Rockenham County where I lived,

814
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,920
and it was a swampy area, and they were going

815
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,400
to go in there and catch these people, catch them

816
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,480
coming in there. He said it was about five o'clock

817
00:55:56,519 --> 00:56:00,320
in the morning. They were going in there. As they

818
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,199
were waiting to where these people were hunting, had this

819
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,199
illegal duck blind. He said, all of a sudden, you

820
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:09,639
can hear limb snapping, and then all of a sudden,

821
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:15,360
it's like hall scream and they just froze. And he

822
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,559
said the only thing come to mine was a monster.

823
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,199
And he said we got out of there. We went

824
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:30,000
out back to back with our guns drawn. And he

825
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:37,039
told me of another incident in Stoke. Standing with this

826
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:42,599
guy's dogs or cows or something got loose, and the guy,

827
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,639
he said, I knew this guy.

828
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,079
Speaker 3: And he said, he wasn't scared of nothing. This guy

829
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:48,880
right here, he was.

830
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:56,599
Speaker 2: Just a big old farm been farming all his life,

831
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,519
you know, down to earth, good people. She was out

832
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,639
looking for the cow. Said he come around the curve

833
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,639
in the dirt road, knew where his farm was, and

834
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:10,679
one of these things is standing out in the middle

835
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:18,400
of the road, ah with red eyes looking at him,

836
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:21,519
and said he just sat down, and this thing finally

837
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:23,760
went on off in the woods. He got out of

838
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,159
there when the game one told me, he said, after that,

839
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:33,440
he said, I don't want it. He asked him, said

840
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,760
if you haven't seen anything else, he said, I don't

841
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,440
go over no more. I don't even go on the

842
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,599
land anymore. Who scared to go on his own land?

843
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:50,960
And he now I'm getting away from Bigfoot here. He

844
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,599
they had a call, we're going down a different rabbit hole.

845
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:02,000
Now had a call to go to this river bottom.

846
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:04,199
That was another river bottom. I used to down their

847
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,719
heads in and it was on down below the river

848
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,119
bottom where I found the dead dogs and uncle meat.

849
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:19,679
But he said that, uh, these people called them and

850
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,760
they'd seen they were seeing lights over that bottom at night,

851
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:26,840
and they thought, well, you know it was somebody going

852
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,000
to now spotlighting at night. So they he got two

853
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:35,800
other game wardens and they uh they went over now.

854
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,840
Two of them got over the bottom where they were

855
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:42,920
seeing the possible spotlight and going on and there was

856
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:48,320
an old farm house air and uh uh and a

857
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,440
barn where the get the game more than I was

858
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,239
talking to about all this stuff. He went across the

859
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,440
river and sit on the opposite side of the river,

860
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:58,920
the Virginia side of the river.

861
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,199
Speaker 3: Now, he said.

862
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:04,239
Speaker 2: By an hour later he got a call from the

863
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,719
other two said get over here right now. You got

864
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,119
to get over here right now. So he thought that

865
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,440
they had called him and had them arrest and wanted

866
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,679
me to come over and help. Say, I went flying

867
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:20,360
over across the river. When I got there, they were outside.

868
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,719
The blazer said they were they were told up.

869
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,519
Speaker 3: Being out of shape. So he.

870
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,159
Speaker 2: Said that they told him that this light come down

871
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:36,639
out of sky is about forty foot in circumforts, like

872
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:41,599
a battle of light hovered right over them, a light

873
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,639
come down on them. One of them got out and

874
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:47,280
stuck his hand in the light and said that thing

875
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,360
just shot right back up where it comes from, disappeared,

876
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,159
and they would see orbs too, and that I've heard

877
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:00,280
other people talking about seeing obs and strange lights in

878
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:12,800
that rubble bottom too. But I'm trying to you know,

879
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,719
I had all this stuff laid out to talk, but

880
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:23,360
that was from him. And then also I had a deputy,

881
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,000
the sheriff. Deputy told me that up off the Mayo River,

882
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,639
a guy was going one of that patrol me and

883
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,079
was going through there late at night and he's seen

884
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:36,760
one stand on side of the road. Now this road

885
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:42,840
is remote from western part of the county and he's

886
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,840
seen this thing stand on the side of the road.

887
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,559
Said it was huge, covered in half, and you know,

888
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,360
they always ragged in my bott and all this, but

889
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,920
said he was a good person. But the deputy also

890
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:59,280
told me they have calls every now and then people

891
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:06,480
here vocalizations that they stuff I never heard before up

892
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:15,760
in that night. And let's see. Trying to think of

893
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,079
some more stuff here. But uh, Miguel, if you've got

894
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:24,440
any questions you want want me to.

895
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,239
Speaker 1: Like to ask me, this activity sounds all too familiar,

896
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,800
and it's very similar to things that I experienced here

897
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,119
in Missouri. Do you feel like there's just sasquatch all

898
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:40,440
up and down those rivers or do you feel like

899
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:44,679
the sasquatch possibly followed you from place to place? As

900
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:47,480
people have mentioned, they can mark or tag you and

901
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:49,920
kind of imprint on you. And when they pick up

902
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,800
on your smell or your energy, they they choose to

903
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,480
interact with you. What do you think.

904
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, Miguel.

905
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:04,559
Speaker 2: I I'm not a researcher, but I know I've seen

906
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:10,320
these things. My wife has seen them, sons seeing them.

907
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,920
All my kids had experiences there. They heard them. Uh,

908
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,039
tree knocks, house frem there. I mean, I can just

909
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:23,960
go on and on and on and but not a sighting.

910
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,760
I was gonna you know, I really wanted to.

911
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: Tell you this one. This was a good one.

912
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,199
Speaker 2: But it wasn't then North Carolina. That was across the

913
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:36,239
line in Virginia. Uh, my son had a friend and

914
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,800
they used to go up to his uncle's He lived

915
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,719
up in the mountains, had a big cattle farm, and

916
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,840
I used to go up a hunting well. Michael was

917
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,239
telling me that his buddy told him that his uncle

918
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,159
that owned that place where they went hunting.

919
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 3: H He he.

920
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,519
Speaker 2: Told Michael's friend that he went up there one morning

921
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:00,840
there hunting. He said it was about He said it

922
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,039
was in the fall October. Said he rode the full

923
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:06,760
wheel up to the top of the mountain. This guy

924
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,400
had like a three hundred acre cattle farm up on

925
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:13,840
the Blue Ridge Mountains and right here the Blue Ridge Parkway.

926
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:19,519
And said that he went up, drove his foe wheel up,

927
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:23,239
got blow the oat tree and sat down and said

928
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:28,119
it riddy cold that morning, sort of cool. Said he

929
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,039
got warm. And he said he was sitting there and

930
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,760
he was looking off down the hill. Said he kept

931
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:40,199
noticing something light up in this tree. And he said

932
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:43,079
he hunted a little bit more him pay much mind

933
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,519
what he was looking at, and said he decided he

934
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:48,360
was going to go on home. Hen he went and

935
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:55,519
saying nothing, and said that I'm gonna go down there

936
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:57,920
and see what that was up in that tree.

937
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: So he got on his.

938
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,079
Speaker 2: Forewhay of the road down there where when he looks

939
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:05,960
up in that tree, he said, about twenty five thirty

940
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,440
feet up in that tree, there's a day draped over

941
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,039
a limb. Yeah, that's pretty wild right there.

942
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: Ain't get sure is And when you found the meat

943
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,360
up in the tree, was it like an entire cow

944
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:22,800
or just a part of the cow.

945
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,639
Speaker 2: No, it was below the tree. It was sitting on

946
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:31,119
the ground. It's like it's like you'd walked up on them.

947
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:35,840
Just a piece of big hunk of meat. It was

948
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,440
just meat. And it was right at the base of

949
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:44,159
that tree. But it was in that thicket. And also

950
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:49,639
another thing I had seen and I this, this really

951
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:52,679
caught me too. Where I lived on the river, I

952
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:56,480
would go walking every day. I take my chocolate lab

953
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,679
with me, and there was was this deer.

954
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:01,559
Speaker 3: It was a buck.

955
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: It was a full corner and it was laying right

956
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:09,360
on the edge of the river. And I thought it.

957
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:10,119
Speaker 3: Was both season.

958
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: I thought somebody had shot it.

959
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: And with a bout.

960
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,159
Speaker 2: And it run and they never found it, couldn't track

961
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:22,079
it well. Anyway, I walked over there to it. I

962
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:25,840
was looking at it, wanted to drop of blood on it.

963
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:34,079
Its neck was broken for two weeks. And need to say,

964
01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:37,840
it was an eighty degree weather. The buzzets W wasn't

965
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,480
touch it. They were sitting up on limbs looking at

966
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,440
it and W wasn't touch it. Now, how strange is that?

967
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,119
And after two weeks the deer was gone.

968
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 3: It was gone.

969
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:59,239
Speaker 2: It wasn't drug. It was picked up. It was gone, Yeah.

970
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:04,679
Speaker 1: That's terrifying. So these Sasquatch were killing dogs, killing cattle,

971
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,679
killing deer, and that's pretty spooky. I feel like they

972
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:12,800
were killing the dogs because the dogs were giving away

973
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,880
their presence or do you feel like they were just

974
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,800
killing to kill?

975
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:20,079
Speaker 3: I don't know.

976
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 2: I know the guy across the river where I had

977
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,840
my sight. I finally talked to this guy, got him

978
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:37,480
dope what it was. I was a member of this

979
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,679
club is called the Natchulis Club, and we were sort

980
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,920
of historical thing too. We've done heights in the county

981
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,159
and we go to different places. And I went and

982
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:53,760
asked this guy was old Plantation Farm and it's where

983
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,280
one of the biggest Indian villages in North Carolina was

984
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,960
called Lowes Saw Town. That was the name of the

985
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:06,039
Indian sorrow They were Woodland Sue. But anyway, I went

986
01:07:06,039 --> 01:07:08,840
and talked to him and asked him if we could

987
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:13,719
the club could come over and do a welcome, a

988
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,800
little walk, a historical thing. And I told him, I said,

989
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:19,079
if you want to, you can. You can lead the

990
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:23,920
trip and show people. He said, well, Pete, the guys

991
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,199
that own the land told me they didn't want nobody

992
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:30,800
in there. I guess they afraid somebody get hurt and

993
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,719
want to sew them. I said, I understand, I can't,

994
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,239
I can't blame you, but I would I would like.

995
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,679
I said, I don't think it's nobody in the club

996
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:45,920
that will try to do that, but I understand. But

997
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,159
and then I said, before I go, I want to

998
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:54,400
ask you something. I said, if you ever seen the

999
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,360
strange animals over here? He said, oh, yeah, he said.

1000
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,039
My two grandsons walked up up on the side squatch.

1001
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,320
One of them was five foot from it when he

1002
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,199
walked up on it late in afternoon.

1003
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 3: He said, he peeling his breeches.

1004
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,119
Speaker 2: He said, the thing done its arm some type of way,

1005
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:18,239
like it crossed its arms and made like a grunt,

1006
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:24,560
and said they run. And I asked him, I said,

1007
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,680
you have ever seen the strange lights over here? He said, oh,

1008
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:32,960
it's a given. I see them all the time. He said,

1009
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,760
I see a bluish white one. I said, yep, that's

1010
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,800
the one I seen. That was years ago before you

1011
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,439
were in here, and I used to come down here

1012
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,039
catfishing at night. I said.

1013
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 3: He said, I see a white.

1014
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,560
Speaker 2: One, a green one, and a red one.

1015
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 3: He said, that's a given, he said.

1016
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: The guy that owned the property down here below me,

1017
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,279
he said he was petrified at this place.

1018
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,039
Speaker 3: He said, you didn't catch him down.

1019
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: Here after door, And if he come down here to

1020
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,439
feed the cows, he got out of here before daw

1021
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,479
or he come in the morning. He didn't like. He

1022
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:18,840
didn't like coming down here by hisself. He was petrified

1023
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:24,279
of that place. And in me, I don't know what

1024
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,560
he's seen. He wouldn't tell nobody. He didn't even he

1025
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,359
wouldn't tell nobody, But I have a feeling I know

1026
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,119
what he's seen. But they say they hear stuff over

1027
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:43,479
there waiting at night, you know, vocalizations. Ah, it's an

1028
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:49,000
old plantation farm, they said. And here's another thing, sort

1029
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:51,600
of getting out of the Bigfoot thing. But he said,

1030
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,800
I see a man in gray over here all the time,

1031
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:56,640
and they've got to see who it is. And he's

1032
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,680
not over there. They'll see him, but when they go

1033
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,279
and where he's at, you can't get out of the field.

1034
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,279
Or when it got who's gone.

1035
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, I feel like those experiences you're not getting

1036
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,000
away from the Bigfoot topic. It all sounds like Bigfoot activity,

1037
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:19,000
even the strange lights, the orbs are definitely associated with

1038
01:10:19,039 --> 01:10:24,199
the Bigfoot activity. Whether it's just some unknown behavior that

1039
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:28,760
there they display and possess, or something supernatural, it's certainly

1040
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,520
tied in with the Sasquatch activity. And I'm talking about

1041
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,319
from the perspective of my personal experiences and not just

1042
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:38,279
what I've heard off the internet. I've had for sure

1043
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:41,880
Bigfoot activity, and within an hour of that activity, I

1044
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,479
see these orbs floating through the woods. Definitely not a

1045
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:50,000
firefly or a drone flying through the woods, just something

1046
01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:52,399
moving with a purpose that seems intelligent.

1047
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1048
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 2: Now I had another experience with orbs I just years ago.

1049
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,399
I used to do a lot of rock climbing when

1050
01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:03,199
I got out of service, A.

1051
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:06,319
Speaker 3: Bunch of us to go with.

1052
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 2: North Carolina's full of climbing spots, but it was one

1053
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,399
place I loved to go with Stone Mountain, North Carolina.

1054
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:19,039
H Up. Now it's set right off the parkway there

1055
01:11:19,119 --> 01:11:22,039
near Dalton Park. But we were camped out. We went

1056
01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:25,560
up to Dalton the campground and Stone Mountain State Park

1057
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,560
was full. So me and my family, a couple of

1058
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,760
guys I was going to climb with, we went up

1059
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:37,079
and camp down. We were we were cooking had a

1060
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:38,680
fire going, and I told them I was going to

1061
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,039
walk out in the woods and you know, get some ah,

1062
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:46,720
just lose stuff laying on the ground, you know, kendon

1063
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,840
stuff like that. I'd be back in a minute. So

1064
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,399
when I walked out down in the woods, I was

1065
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,920
picking up stuff and I looked over to my left

1066
01:11:56,199 --> 01:12:00,319
and that was like twenty five balls of light about

1067
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:02,800
the size of a golf ball, and they were just

1068
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:08,920
all going around one another, green lights. And I was

1069
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,399
just amazed by that. I don't know what it was,

1070
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,720
but I was amazed. I just sat down and watched

1071
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:20,439
it till the lights this disappeared. What that was, I

1072
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:28,039
have no idea. And I have a cherokey friend and

1073
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:31,760
him is real good friends and we talked every nine

1074
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,359
and then, and I asked him about these olds. I said,

1075
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:40,840
y'all got a lot of legends and it's.

1076
01:12:42,199 --> 01:12:43,199
Speaker 3: He said, what did you say?

1077
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: I told him about these olds, and he looked at

1078
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,960
me real funny, and he said, oh, oh, you got

1079
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,760
the little people down there too, you don't you?

1080
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 3: I said to little people?

1081
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, that's the lights they can that's what

1082
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:04,960
That's one of the legends. And then there was another

1083
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:10,520
place up near Cherokee, maybe forty miles up the Blue

1084
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:16,800
Ridge Parkway, maybe thirty twenty thirty miles place called Devil's Courthouse.

1085
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:19,920
I don't know if you're familiar with that, but it's

1086
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:26,800
it's one of the rock formations that sits along the parkway.

1087
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:29,239
We used to go as one of the first places

1088
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:36,079
I was started climbing. And then the rock is called

1089
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:39,159
the Devil's Courthouse. Well, I looked up the legend one night,

1090
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:46,880
and this is Steepton, Cherokee. Lord too, the slant eyed

1091
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,880
giant Judah Cooola danced in the in a cave that

1092
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,199
the devil dwelt in. He would dance for him, the

1093
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:57,279
slant eyed giant.

1094
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,239
Speaker 3: And uh, and that.

1095
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 2: Place is steeped in bigfoot lower people see strange stuff,

1096
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:12,319
likes h all kinds of stuff. But and then, uh,

1097
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:19,680
then you had the legend of Boujum. He was this

1098
01:14:20,079 --> 01:14:21,800
girl would go up in the mountains and take a

1099
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,239
bath and stream and Boujiam would come down and hide

1100
01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:29,640
the butchers and watch her. And they got married, but

1101
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:35,000
her mother didn't like him and she left. And every

1102
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:39,439
now and then he'd come around. He'd hoot four and

1103
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,399
they'd have a hoot in any they called back and

1104
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:45,039
forth to one another. And that's as some of the

1105
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:51,000
low an Appolachia. That's pretty wild too, ain't it. Oh?

1106
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:53,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is for sure. I'm not sure if that's

1107
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,199
the area that the Native Americans would talk about avoiding

1108
01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:02,239
when they travel through the mountains. And it kind of

1109
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:05,319
sounds like it would be from the activity that you described.

1110
01:15:05,359 --> 01:15:07,720
And I can see how the orbs might be connected

1111
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,159
with the little people, but I also believe it's connected

1112
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,439
with the Sasquatch. Do you think there's any chance that

1113
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,399
the properties that you've experienced activity on the Smith and

1114
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,199
Dan River and all the creeks. Do you feel like

1115
01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:24,960
maybe there are giant skeletons buried there or something supernatural happening,

1116
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:30,000
or do you think it's just purely physical, undiscovered primates

1117
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:31,920
living on the land. What are your thoughts about that?

1118
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:48,119
Speaker 2: Well, you know, what, do you call that the the

1119
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,399
weird factory?

1120
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1121
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 2: Whatever, you won't call it. I call it the weird factor.

1122
01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:01,399
But anyway, then you got the scientific theories and all that,

1123
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,520
and Native Americans have been seeing them since they were

1124
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:12,439
on the continent on back thirteen thousand years ago. So,

1125
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:23,159
and then you've got I think it's something special. I

1126
01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:32,960
think that could be giants buried here. Oh, I know

1127
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,479
whether there's a mound on the Mayo Robert. Some say

1128
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:40,600
it's a mound, some say it ain't. But I'll send

1129
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,840
you a picture of it and give you. And it's

1130
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,319
vinted site all the way around this thing. Now, if

1131
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:49,479
it's a mound there and it's vited site all the

1132
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,279
way around it, shot, I'll be a mound. I mean,

1133
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,600
be wanting to bury a man. It was probably something ceremonial.

1134
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,760
But as far as giants being found, now I know

1135
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,199
now I've been told.

1136
01:17:07,399 --> 01:17:09,159
Speaker 3: Now this was leaked to me.

1137
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't. This is just what you fellow told me.

1138
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:20,159
Somewhere in Franking County, Virginia, so county up from me,

1139
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:25,680
a couple counties up from me where I live in Virginia,

1140
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:31,760
on some farm, they have found standing stones and they're

1141
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,920
keeping this quiet from more don's stand.

1142
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting. I did some research while while

1143
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,760
you're talking, and it says reports of giant skeletons along

1144
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,000
the Dan River, which flows through Virginia and North Carolina,

1145
01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:52,199
are rooted in nineteenth century accounts of unusual findings in

1146
01:17:52,359 --> 01:17:58,359
Native American mounds, rather than verified modern archaeological evidence. These

1147
01:17:58,359 --> 01:18:03,880
claims typically describe skeletons measuring seven to ten feet tall,

1148
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:08,880
which are generally regarded as hoaxes or misinterpretations of animal

1149
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,720
or especially large human remains. But it does sound like

1150
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,079
people have found skeletons on the Dan River.

1151
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,399
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I had a friend Tim, He loved

1152
01:18:21,399 --> 01:18:22,359
to hunt their heads.

1153
01:18:23,359 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 3: And he told me he knew a lot of people

1154
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,720
here in the county.

1155
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,399
Speaker 2: He was he was well liked, and you know he

1156
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,119
rubbed shoulders were the big guys, you know.

1157
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,520
Speaker 3: And there was this fall the farm where I had

1158
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,239
my sight.

1159
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:48,520
Speaker 2: Back in seventy two when Camille, one of those hurricanes

1160
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:53,560
come through and it just dun't tons of rain and

1161
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:56,520
it washed that bottom out and now and the upper

1162
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:02,520
end of it, and it was through a visted site.

1163
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,840
Well they didn't know it at the time. They found

1164
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:11,079
like twenty three skeletons. Now, that could be what maybe

1165
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:15,159
they're talking about. Maybe there was some remains found out

1166
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:19,560
that were giant, you know, had giant features to women.

1167
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,520
But he said, it's like twenty three skeletons, you know,

1168
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,720
washed out down. Now he said, well, they brought the

1169
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:32,880
law enforcement in they couldn't identify them. Well, they called

1170
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,840
in the state, state bought the archeologists and said this

1171
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,399
was a vited site and it dated to light. I think,

1172
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:50,439
if I'm not mistaken, loving twelve hundred AD, I've read

1173
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,039
report on it, but they didn't talk about the remains. Now,

1174
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,399
that could be what you're talking about right there.

1175
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I.

1176
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:05,159
Speaker 2: Have no out. When the Spanish come through here, oh

1177
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:08,119
they talked about giants.

1178
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And all the areas that have giant skeletons

1179
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,640
that have been found in the past are all areas

1180
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,800
that people experience bigfoot activity today. And the Sasquatch they're giants.

1181
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,640
And it's the same reports that I've read from people

1182
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,760
that have found the giant skeletons, like it was seven

1183
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,600
foot tall, nine foot tall, ten foot tall. And then

1184
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,960
the people today that are encountering the Sasquatch are giving

1185
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:39,399
the same descriptions and they say the giants were supernatural beings.

1186
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,079
And we're seeing the same thing today with the Sasquatch,

1187
01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:46,239
like people are just seeing these orbs or there's something

1188
01:20:46,319 --> 01:20:49,479
throwing rocks and limbs at them and they couldn't see

1189
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:54,319
anything like, it's almost like it was invisible, which is strange.

1190
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is strange. You know you were we're

1191
01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:06,399
talking about the giants here. I have no doubt you know,

1192
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:12,039
uh those all kinds of legends about giants if you

1193
01:21:12,279 --> 01:21:17,880
uh read some of the archae logue, you know, like

1194
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,039
I'm West Virginia. While of those mounds had giants in them,

1195
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:27,079
it was the Adena culture. And uh, and suppose that

1196
01:21:27,159 --> 01:21:32,239
these people were European. And where I told you up

1197
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,079
two counties up front, they they're finding standing stones. Now

1198
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,560
they in a county over from there they found a

1199
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:46,880
metal working working, uh site, like a what you call it.

1200
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:51,920
They smelted metal there, and it's dating back to nine

1201
01:21:52,039 --> 01:21:55,039
hundred day D. Now who were those people? Indians didn't

1202
01:21:55,079 --> 01:21:58,439
make metal. They might have they might have messed with

1203
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,600
copper up around the the Great Lights region, and they

1204
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,640
really didn't mess with the matters that we got here.

1205
01:22:07,399 --> 01:22:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's just.

1206
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,239
Speaker 2: That's just from what I read. But you know, nine

1207
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:17,479
hundred a D. You know that's pretty good ways on

1208
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,119
bikea you know, who could I have been heard of

1209
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:23,159
Europeans vikings people?

1210
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, people speculate that the giants created the Pyramids, Stonehenge,

1211
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,600
and many other archaeological finds that have been discovered and

1212
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,439
that they just don't have an answer to, like who

1213
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,439
could have built them? It must have been an intelligent race,

1214
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,680
and it's obvious, like the it's all written on the wall,

1215
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:48,680
like the evidence that there was an advanced civilization living here,

1216
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:55,119
and people have found giant arrowheads, huge tracks, and just

1217
01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:58,760
things that, like you said, Native Americans couldn't have built

1218
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,119
on their own. And I like how you said earlier

1219
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:03,720
that you had a bunch of little things taking place

1220
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,319
that you just couldn't put your finger on that all

1221
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:09,600
led up to something huge and significant. And that's what

1222
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,680
I experienced in my property too. It was just a

1223
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,800
bunch of things that I wrote off, but I knew

1224
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,800
that they weren't right, like something was off, and something

1225
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,319
in my gut was telling me the things I was

1226
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:25,399
finding just weren't adding up until the day that I

1227
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,159
seen the sasquatch just stand up and walk off, and

1228
01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:29,359
it all clicked.

1229
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: Yep. When when something don't look right, when something don't

1230
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,119
feel right, or something don't smell right, it ain't right,

1231
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:51,279
and something you getting ready to experience something. But let's

1232
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:56,920
see there was trying to think there was another site.

1233
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:02,680
This guy told me about experience. Him and his brothers

1234
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:07,279
went to this lake in this county. It's a regional

1235
01:24:07,319 --> 01:24:10,840
city lake. They were blow it at night. That's sort

1236
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,600
of out there in the Boonies too. And he said

1237
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,560
his brothers got drunk. He didn't drink any he said.

1238
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,079
He said it was about twelve o'clock at night. They

1239
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:24,279
were all passed out. He was sitting down, had a

1240
01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:28,039
fire going. He said, all of a sudden, limbs the

1241
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:32,359
rocks started landing in the camp. He said, I never

1242
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:34,359
did see what was doing it, but I was having

1243
01:24:34,399 --> 01:24:38,359
to dodge it all night. And he said the next morning,

1244
01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:41,960
my brothers got up and said I never did tell them,

1245
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,920
but that's what went on, like small logs and limbs

1246
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:52,960
and rocks all night long. And and I think too,

1247
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,199
you go out here along these rebels at night and

1248
01:24:57,239 --> 01:24:59,119
you built a fire. And I've talked to a lot

1249
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:02,079
of people when the catfish and they built a fire,

1250
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,359
and that's when it started having these experiences. When you

1251
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,840
build fire, they gonna come to it. It's like it's

1252
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,960
like ringing the bell, They're gonna come.

1253
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:19,239
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I agree with that the dogs that

1254
01:25:19,279 --> 01:25:22,560
you found. What did the neck look like like? Was

1255
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,239
it twisted like a twizzler or was it like bent back,

1256
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:28,520
like in an awkward position.

1257
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: Just hanging off the side, you know, sort of bent back,

1258
01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:37,279
hanging off the side. And I'm going, damn, next broke

1259
01:25:39,119 --> 01:25:45,039
and and like whether dogs were laying the grass all

1260
01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:49,920
around it was just flattened like something real heavy had

1261
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,960
been standing there. That's one thing I noticed. Yeah, but

1262
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:03,960
I've talked I can't really remember all the stuff, but

1263
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:11,920
trying to think here, I've had all kinds of people

1264
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:19,720
coming about hunting experiences at night, people fishing stuff, running

1265
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,479
down through the woods at them, screaming, uh, getting in

1266
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:28,840
between them and their friends, you know, stuff like that. Ah,

1267
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:38,399
what do you call that? Just messing with them, intimidation stuff.

1268
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're getting really territorial.

1269
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

1270
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:47,039
Speaker 2: But they had a fire going. They were fishing at night.

1271
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:50,560
And I heard about two guys they've been in Afghanistan

1272
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:56,640
and they were in the Seals and special forces and

1273
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:01,880
stuff like that, and they counted something and both of

1274
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,000
them come out back to back to at night with guns,

1275
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:11,279
you know, and uh, people seeing him standing old and

1276
01:27:11,319 --> 01:27:14,239
I know a boy he about five miles from where

1277
01:27:14,279 --> 01:27:17,359
I'm sitting there right here, right now. Uh, those are

1278
01:27:18,079 --> 01:27:20,239
as you go on up above me, up here towards

1279
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:23,600
the Virginia Line as a road that cuts off and

1280
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,159
goes back over towards the Mayo rob A guy was

1281
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:29,640
going through there with his wife one night. He told me, said,

1282
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,199
they've seen one standing on the side of the road,

1283
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,439
and uh, you know, another guy said, he's, you know,

1284
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,840
a preacher of the same one. He said it was

1285
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,239
sitting in the middle of the road up now somewhere.

1286
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:49,000
So I think I've been sitting in the woods hunting

1287
01:27:49,399 --> 01:27:53,600
and the woods just go dead. Have you ever experienced that? Oh?

1288
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1289
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm sitting down and I staying birds, birds are chirping,

1290
01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:05,159
squirrels all around me, got three or four d out

1291
01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:10,800
there in front of me. Uh, insects just uh, all

1292
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,079
kinds of animals around me. Now, all of a sudden,

1293
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:20,159
everything just disappears, the insects, the birds, the deer, squirrels, everything.

1294
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,239
It's just like it's just like it's just like something

1295
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,960
just sucked all the sounds out of the out of

1296
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,840
the forest. It's just dead. And you feel like you

1297
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:38,039
got layers of beam eyeballs on you. Now, that's another

1298
01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:42,159
one of the weird, the weird things that you know,

1299
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,319
if if you're not used to that, and that happens,

1300
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,399
you are getting ready to have a sitan.

1301
01:28:50,199 --> 01:28:52,199
Speaker 3: I think now I didn't have a sight.

1302
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: Now, but but I think it's one of the things

1303
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:59,399
that leads up. I call it the pyramid of a

1304
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:06,800
Sightan Oh, something happens over here, and it just keeps

1305
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,239
on going up in blocks, and then one day you're

1306
01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:13,119
gonna be in the right spot at the right time,

1307
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:19,119
and then you're gonna have your sight. But there are

1308
01:29:19,119 --> 01:29:22,079
some people just walk right up on something, you know.

1309
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's awesome. You've met a lot of people

1310
01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:31,760
who have seen these things, whether it was at the

1311
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:36,720
sporting goods store or the game organ or friends and

1312
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,159
other family members. And yeah, I can't imagine how you

1313
01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:42,000
felt when you and your son were down there by

1314
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:46,920
the river bottom and the cane like picking sugarcane or

1315
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,880
whatever it's called, and that one sasquatche, Yeah, the river cane,

1316
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,840
and the sasquatch was just standing there watching you. Guys.

1317
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,479
How long did that encounter last?

1318
01:29:57,079 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: It lasts about about thirty minutes.

1319
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:03,239
Speaker 1: That's a long end.

1320
01:30:03,359 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1321
01:30:05,119 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't feel threatened. Now my son

1322
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:14,960
has been out of shape. He said, dang, he kept them. Dad.

1323
01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:17,239
Let's get out of here, I said, Sonday, it ain't

1324
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:21,439
bothering us. I said, let's just get the river cane.

1325
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,359
We'll get on out of here. It was a thirty

1326
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:33,800
minute sight. And where it was standing, you could see it.

1327
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,800
It's like, now, I know y'all got bottoms. I tell you, like,

1328
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,520
you got a big bottom here, and right across be

1329
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,279
another bottom. But in between it as a road of trees.

1330
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:49,840
They call them hedgerows or or property lines or tree

1331
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:50,800
lines and all that.

1332
01:30:51,159 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 3: But he was standing in between.

1333
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 2: Some sycamores, and he was standing above some saplings, and

1334
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,720
he was one hundred and fifty yards away. Now I

1335
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,039
could see his eyes and mouth. That's how big it was.

1336
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, which one was the most significant?

1337
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 2: That one was probably I'm guessing that one was probably

1338
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:21,960
maybe dying foot tall.

1339
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,319
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Which encounter stands out the most?

1340
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Oh? That one? I mean, I've seen them. I've seen

1341
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,680
them before, but I didn't know what they were. I

1342
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,720
thought they were bad. Yeah, but they do run on

1343
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,520
all fours, I'll tell you that.

1344
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen them run on all four, isn't it

1345
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,119
reminds you of like a black bear or a chimpanzee

1346
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:53,199
moving through the forest. Once they stand up, you know

1347
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:54,000
it wasn't a bear.

1348
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,279
Speaker 2: I've never seen nothing. I've never seen a bath run

1349
01:31:58,359 --> 01:32:03,039
three hundred yards like I damn uh it put.

1350
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: The tracks start a shame.

1351
01:32:06,279 --> 01:32:09,199
Speaker 2: I mean you couldn't. I mean it wasn't no use

1352
01:32:09,319 --> 01:32:11,479
when that thing run up a hill, it wasn't no

1353
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,880
used to run. You couldn't out running. Actually, I thought

1354
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:19,680
that was my last day on the planet. Yeah, but

1355
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:20,560
it beered off.

1356
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think it was just trying to intimidate

1357
01:32:25,159 --> 01:32:28,359
you or do you think maybe it confused you?

1358
01:32:29,119 --> 01:32:31,119
Speaker 2: I do. I think it was a blood charge.

1359
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. And another part of

1360
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,079
me makes it would.

1361
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 2: Have wanted to hurt you. If they'd have wanted to

1362
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,680
hurt you, the big one we sing, he would have

1363
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:42,000
hurt you.

1364
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1365
01:32:43,359 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 2: It wasn't no way you could a got away from him.

1366
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:50,640
But when most of the time I would go down there,

1367
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,199
when I first seen them they want all fours, I

1368
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:56,680
thought they were baths. Felt like I had eyeballs on me.

1369
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:05,720
And uh, now turn around, look and I'll say dog

1370
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:10,520
gone as a bear, and they were like two hundred

1371
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:11,840
fifty yards away.

1372
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:13,319
Speaker 3: I'm going.

1373
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be bears, boy, But bears are gonna boat.

1374
01:33:19,359 --> 01:33:22,399
I'll tell you that right now. They'll boat. I walked

1375
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,000
up on a sound three cubs. They bolted. They ain't

1376
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,920
gonna stand down. Look at you. They gonna boat. Now,

1377
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,399
if you getting there one of the cubs, it's gonna

1378
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:35,399
be a different story. M I have a failure. But

1379
01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:44,439
those think whatever it was it was watching me bears

1380
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:44,800
a boat.

1381
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. And the bears that don't bolt,

1382
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,680
they might walk up to you and they're acting really strange,

1383
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,600
and they say, those types of bears there's like something

1384
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,079
not right in their head and they could possibly eat you.

1385
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,880
But these sasquatch, they showed intelligence the way they were

1386
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,680
moving and hiding and then revealing themselves like it definitely

1387
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,520
wasn't a bear. And if a bear does stand up

1388
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,840
on two legs, it doesn't stand up for very long,

1389
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,399
and it's really awkward when.

1390
01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:20,079
Speaker 2: It moves exactly right. They might stand up real quick,

1391
01:34:20,359 --> 01:34:25,520
like maybe to get a better view. Are you and

1392
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,600
then they gonna come back down? Boat?

1393
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,279
Speaker 3: But whatever this was it bolted.

1394
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 2: They bolted, and it was running on two legs cross

1395
01:34:38,279 --> 01:34:40,319
and it was running like a bad eye of Hayd's

1396
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:44,800
on two legs across three hundred yards and up at

1397
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,600
the upper end of that bottom you can see this

1398
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:50,279
big tree with this big limb up on it, and

1399
01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:53,439
that thing run right up under it. And I went

1400
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,960
up up and I'd say that limb was probably nine,

1401
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:01,520
maybe ten eleven foot tall. So whatever this was, that

1402
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,239
thing was out there and it's probably nine foot tall,

1403
01:35:05,079 --> 01:35:11,520
I'd say, yeah, yeah, but you could see it just

1404
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,520
stand now, just clear's day. My bulls gone, Dad, let's

1405
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,840
let's go. Let's go. Well, it ain't bottom us. We

1406
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:24,000
ain't bothering him. Maybe he's just as curious as we are.

1407
01:35:25,079 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 3: I know, how sure?

1408
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: Am?

1409
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: Is that why you stayed? You were curious?

1410
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 2: Do?

1411
01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: What is that why you stayed when the sasquatch was

1412
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,039
watching you guys? Because you were curious?

1413
01:35:37,159 --> 01:35:47,199
Speaker 2: Oh heck yeah, I mean, you know, I h I

1414
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:51,119
don't know. I didn't feel scared, and I'm not really scared.

1415
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:54,680
I've been. I walked all out in the bottoms four

1416
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:59,399
o'clock in the morning, going to my stand, fog up

1417
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:07,720
to your showers. Oh oh, I don't know. I just

1418
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:09,560
I've never been scared.

1419
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,359
Speaker 3: I just don't. I just don't scare easy.

1420
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:17,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I completely understand.

1421
01:36:17,119 --> 01:36:19,399
Speaker 2: There's one thing I'm scared of, but I ain't gonna

1422
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:23,039
say that here. I just all the stuff going on

1423
01:36:23,079 --> 01:36:25,079
in the world, that's the main thing I'm scared of.

1424
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,039
Speaker 3: But I'm not scared of them.

1425
01:36:28,399 --> 01:36:30,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say it all the time. I'm more scared

1426
01:36:30,079 --> 01:36:31,600
of people than I am a sasquatch.

1427
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, just watch, I'll tell everybody. I'll tell my

1428
01:36:38,039 --> 01:36:42,199
wife everybody I know. Where you have you go, watch

1429
01:36:42,199 --> 01:36:46,640
your surroundings. Look around before you get out of the car.

1430
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:56,159
Watch your surroundings. Yeah, watch your surroundings. Don't care where

1431
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:59,319
you are. You may everybody m m.

1432
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1433
01:37:00,359 --> 01:37:02,359
Speaker 1: You can't trust people, that's for sure.

1434
01:37:05,079 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 2: Now you've seen me in my olds.

1435
01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, I have. There was an incident where I

1436
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,640
got whistled at by them similar to what you described

1437
01:37:14,079 --> 01:37:16,479
or what your friend described when he was down there fishing,

1438
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:19,880
and I went back about an hour later because I

1439
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,960
couldn't get those whistles out of my head. I was like,

1440
01:37:22,039 --> 01:37:25,000
that was no bird. That was definitely like people. It

1441
01:37:25,079 --> 01:37:28,760
sounded like a like a farmer calling in his cattle,

1442
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:32,800
like loud, sharp whistles. And when I went back, I

1443
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,760
saw these two orange orbs about the size of like

1444
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,039
a volleyball or a basketball, moving together through the woods

1445
01:37:39,079 --> 01:37:42,319
right at nighttime. There was no sound. They seemed intelligent.

1446
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,880
Definitely not a firefly or drone, because drones are loud

1447
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,760
and they can't move through the woods at nighttime. And

1448
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,119
it was strange because I've already had activity there an

1449
01:37:53,159 --> 01:37:55,960
hour before that. And then later on, I would say

1450
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,479
maybe three weeks after that, I saw the sasquatch stand

1451
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,399
up and walk off into the woods, just like the

1452
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,880
Patty film, and I kind of tied it all together.

1453
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,279
I still didn't think the ords were connected to it,

1454
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,479
because I didn't know what that was. Then I started

1455
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,239
listening to bigfoot reports from other people and they started

1456
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:14,439
mentioning these orbs, and I was like, wait a minute,

1457
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,159
I was having bigfoot activity up there and I seen

1458
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:20,039
those lights. It's connected to Sasquatch. I couldn't believe it.

1459
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked with them.

1460
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:27,359
Speaker 3: I'm number years ago.

1461
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: I had a buddy and one of his friends had

1462
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:34,720
just got out of services, out riding around one night

1463
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:38,399
drinking beer and right there where that bridge is at

1464
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,960
on the Virginia North Carolina line. Boy, I told you

1465
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:45,039
the game ones had that bottom staked out. Senor UFO.

1466
01:38:46,279 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 3: They pulled in.

1467
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 2: At that bridge and he got out to relieve hisself

1468
01:38:54,119 --> 01:38:56,000
and said when he turned around, looked at his buddies.

1469
01:38:56,039 --> 01:39:00,119
His buddy's eyes big around his fifty cent faces, and

1470
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:03,159
he turned around. Look there was this bottle of light there,

1471
01:39:03,159 --> 01:39:05,279
and they just shot up in this tree and went

1472
01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:09,720
into light a bunch of little lights. Then they were gone,

1473
01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:15,680
so they got out of there. I think that's a phenomenon,

1474
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:22,479
a real big phenomenon here on the Dan River, because

1475
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:31,079
I've heard so many people, farmers, people fishing, hunting, ah

1476
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,680
just out you know, pitting around airhead hunting stuff like that.

1477
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,760
You know that's a that's a given up and down

1478
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:39,479
this Dan River.

1479
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:48,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely connected in my opinion, from the information that

1480
01:39:48,079 --> 01:39:51,840
I've learned and the experiences that I've had, and I

1481
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,239
definitely feel like it's not a coincidence. And the orbs

1482
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:56,159
are a huge clue to the activity.

1483
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:01,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you will you get out in these

1484
01:40:01,239 --> 01:40:05,920
remote bottoms around here, and you have, like I said,

1485
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:10,000
the little things start happening to you, Uh, strange stuff.

1486
01:40:10,039 --> 01:40:15,359
You can't put your thing on. Watch out, watch out.

1487
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,960
Oh yeah, but that, but that that guy told me

1488
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,600
when his grandson walked right, he was five foot from it. See,

1489
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,680
just like he took his arms out in front of him,

1490
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,840
just crossed him real quick like at the so squat

1491
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:35,079
and went like a little small grunt and they turned

1492
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:38,039
and run, the youngest one peeding these breeches.

1493
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't blame him.

1494
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll probably I don't know, I probably love it tated.

1495
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I noticed the bulk of the activity

1496
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:58,159
that you experience your friends and your family members and

1497
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:03,920
people that you've met in the area is all centered

1498
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:09,199
around hunting and fishing and the river bottoms. So they're

1499
01:41:09,239 --> 01:41:13,479
definitely territorial. They don't want you occupying their space, especially

1500
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,319
for hours at a time or day in and day out,

1501
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,640
and you're going after their food sources, whether it's deer

1502
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,720
and fish, and it might be ticking them off.

1503
01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 3: Well, I think too, if.

1504
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 2: If I relied on my steps to get a deer,

1505
01:41:35,279 --> 01:41:38,720
just say I was a sad squatch. I haven't got

1506
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:43,520
no gun. I mean you got guns. When I hear

1507
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,720
that gun go off. That's like ringing the dinner belle,

1508
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,279
just watching and see which way he's going and when

1509
01:41:50,319 --> 01:41:55,199
you get there. But that one morning a deal got

1510
01:41:55,239 --> 01:42:01,159
stole from me. My son was going, Daddy, was your deer,

1511
01:42:01,359 --> 01:42:06,159
It's gone? I said, I know, But.

1512
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 3: It was almost I don't know.

1513
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 2: Never heard no calls, four wheelers. You didn't hear nobody talk.

1514
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:23,720
It was this job. Real calm that morning, still uh, serene,

1515
01:42:25,319 --> 01:42:29,720
and it just just weird. But I think when you

1516
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:34,359
shoot and they are around and they're watching you, they

1517
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:36,720
gonna watch and see which way you going. It's like

1518
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:37,720
ringing the dinner bell.

1519
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, they're definitely waiting for you to make

1520
01:42:43,079 --> 01:42:45,960
a kill shot and they come in and steal the deer.

1521
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 2: I've known other hunters around here too, so that they've

1522
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:58,399
had deal stolen. A matter of fact, I listened to

1523
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:02,159
some guys have a conversation with the guy that owned

1524
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:07,479
the archery store about that day of getting stolen, and

1525
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,960
they would hear strange stuff. And that was that ribble

1526
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:14,399
bottom above me where I had my sight. Oh yeah,

1527
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:19,239
it's all I think his place is. Uh And now

1528
01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:22,039
all now listen, now this, now, this is what a

1529
01:43:22,079 --> 01:43:26,640
guy told me there was a farm on on the

1530
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:30,600
UH going south along the Cascade Creek that's a big

1531
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,840
tributary of the Damn and it's huge up and creek

1532
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:38,359
bottoms and there ribble bottoms, and they were talking about

1533
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:47,359
he was talking about he was out there cutting the uh,

1534
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:51,600
the hay or something off of one of the fields,

1535
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,399
and it was getting towards dark and he was just

1536
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,880
sort of going like in a circle. He was getting

1537
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:02,479
ready to stop. What he o some people, I said

1538
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,800
it because he's gonna come back the next day and finished,

1539
01:44:07,359 --> 01:44:08,359
he said he was.

1540
01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 3: Going down long field.

1541
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,039
Speaker 2: When he turned, he looked back where he come from

1542
01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:14,079
and there was one sitting on the edge of the

1543
01:44:14,079 --> 01:44:19,760
field watching him.

1544
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty wild too.

1545
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly is. Yeah, we're getting towards the end.

1546
01:44:26,079 --> 01:44:28,720
I got another call here in about fifteen minutes. Can

1547
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:30,880
you think of any other experiences that you'd like to

1548
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:36,560
share anything that you forgot?

1549
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:42,159
Speaker 2: My son, the guy and he works with up there

1550
01:44:42,199 --> 01:44:44,600
with the guy, seen one standing on the road about

1551
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:48,119
five miles from here, down on the big fall up out,

1552
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:53,279
maybe a couple of hundred acres. And when he was young,

1553
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,399
his son, when he was young, he's seeing one up

1554
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,680
out eating apple out of a tray or something something

1555
01:45:00,039 --> 01:45:04,800
of that effect. But other than that, that's that's my

1556
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:08,039
life story with su squats. Like I said, I'm no,

1557
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:19,399
I'm no researcher. Ah, I like it now. I listened

1558
01:45:19,399 --> 01:45:22,960
to sitans and one time I got obsessed with it

1559
01:45:24,039 --> 01:45:26,640
and I sort of got away with that away from that,

1560
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:31,720
you know, and you don't. You don't have to say nothing.

1561
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:37,119
You just sit around listen and sometimes you you will

1562
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:43,880
hear good of a good sighting. But ah, but anyway,

1563
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,520
I'm gonna let you get on now. I hope that

1564
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:47,640
helped you out a little bit.

1565
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,319
Speaker 3: And yeah, I always liked telling my story and.

1566
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't care who believes it. They believe it, it's

1567
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:56,520
fine with me.

1568
01:45:57,239 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 3: They don't, that's fine too.

1569
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:06,680
Speaker 2: But like I said, oh, one more thing, Uh, these

1570
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:16,199
things mimic other animals. Birds. Ah thing whistle makes you

1571
01:46:16,279 --> 01:46:23,319
think that the former John I tell something. But yeah,

1572
01:46:23,359 --> 01:46:29,960
they mimic other animals and birds might have said. And

1573
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:36,000
I've heard the people telling about hearing stuff and you know,

1574
01:46:36,039 --> 01:46:39,399
and there wasn't nothing there, and that makes me believe

1575
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:42,880
that it was probably a big fut of so squatch

1576
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:46,560
whatever you want to call them far as people. They've

1577
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,319
got a I think the things got a hundred names,

1578
01:46:51,319 --> 01:46:54,000
and I know the Native Americans gave a hundred names.

1579
01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:55,640
Speaker 1: M hmm.

1580
01:46:56,199 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1581
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 2: But but Miguel, I'm gonna let you go. You get

1582
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:04,119
on to you, Nick One. I enjoyed talking to you today.

1583
01:47:04,119 --> 01:47:07,880
I always enjoy talking to you. I mentioned whbout your

1584
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,720
dn't so you can't foot sitting in that tent.

1585
01:47:12,039 --> 01:47:17,079
Speaker 1: But anyway, now, I always appreciate you and the encounters

1586
01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:20,079
that you had. They're certainly legit. And when I hear

1587
01:47:20,119 --> 01:47:22,760
you talking about the experiences, I know that you're not

1588
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:27,520
pulling my leg. Like this encounter story that you shared

1589
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,119
with me. It's one of the best ones on my channel.

1590
01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:33,720
And I can tell that. I can tell from the

1591
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,640
ones where people are just kind of fabricating things and

1592
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:41,760
misinterpreting activity, or you know, there's something seriously wrong with them,

1593
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:46,399
to where there's hunters and outdoorsmen and people that have

1594
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:48,520
these things showing up on their property. You can tell

1595
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:53,279
the difference where I guess, oh, in some stories, I

1596
01:47:53,319 --> 01:47:54,920
don't know, some of them sound out there, I guess

1597
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,520
is what I'm saying. And some you can tell, like

1598
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,600
their genuine reports.

1599
01:47:59,279 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not much into that woo woo stuff.

1600
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:07,359
I know it's some of it sounds sort of wooish

1601
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:12,760
but or strange. But I know these people that I've

1602
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:18,119
talked to, the good down to earth people, the farmers, hunters, fishermen,

1603
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:24,479
fly fishermen. Ah, people love to hunt their heads. Uh,

1604
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:32,079
people even into history, you know. But anyway, I'm gonna

1605
01:48:32,119 --> 01:48:36,439
let you go. I enjoy talking to you and I Ah,

1606
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,600
we'll stay in touch and you need to come out here.

1607
01:48:41,079 --> 01:48:43,520
Speaker 3: Uh, we'll go to some of these places.

1608
01:48:44,399 --> 01:48:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd definitely be up for that. Keep in touch

1609
01:48:47,359 --> 01:48:48,920
with me, and we'll try to make it happen in

1610
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,880
the future. We can do it, all right. That sounds

1611
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,960
good to me. And Pete, you did an excellent job

1612
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:58,960
of sharing your experiences. If you encounter another Forrest Burger,

1613
01:48:59,039 --> 01:49:01,520
definitely get into touch with me and I would love

1614
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:05,479
to hear about it. Oh you will, okay, will you

1615
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:06,880
take care of yourself the meantime.

1616
01:49:07,239 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 2: Look here, I've won a lottery, but it want money.

1617
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no doubt about that. Only if you had

1618
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,000
a camera when you're down there in the cane bottoms

1619
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:18,520
on the river.

1620
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna tell you what. I don't go nowhere

1621
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:22,479
without it no more.

1622
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 3: Coach.

1623
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:24,159
Speaker 1: That's how I am.

1624
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 2: You just don't know what you're going I mean, even

1625
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:30,680
with people, you don't know what you're gonna run up

1626
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:33,479
on any more, but especially if you go out in

1627
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:35,279
the woods, take your camera. WI you.

1628
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:41,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, Pete. It was good talking with you,

1629
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,319
and I look forward to our next chat in the future.

1630
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 3: Will you do it all right?

1631
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: Take care of my friend, you take care of to you, bady?

1632
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,439
All right? So those were some truly amazing encounters shared

1633
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:01,479
right here on Sasquatch Theory and and pets. Experiences stretch

1634
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:06,880
across years, multiple rivers, private land, and remote mountain areas,

1635
01:50:07,359 --> 01:50:14,199
from close range visual encounters to vocalizations, whistles, animal mutilations,

1636
01:50:14,359 --> 01:50:18,079
red eyed figures, and activity that followed him from property

1637
01:50:18,279 --> 01:50:23,039
to property. These weren't isolated moments. They were repeated events

1638
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:27,880
that involved his family, friends, fishermen, hunters, and even local

1639
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:31,720
game boardings, all witnessing pieces of the same strange pattern.

1640
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:38,039
If you've had encounters like peats or experience unexplained activity

1641
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:40,479
in your area, I want to hear your story. You

1642
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:44,479
can reach me directly at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com,

1643
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:49,840
and as always, stay alert, stay safe, and remember not

1644
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,239
everything in the woods is supposed to be there.