Speaker 1: Not this one. Not this one. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know on the scale of one.
Speaker 2: To unacceptable what the Pitbull catalog sounds like. But man,
Speaker 2: on a Thursday, when there's some NFL tonight, we're heading
Speaker 2: into the weekend, We're ruining everybody's Thursday with Pitbull. And
Speaker 2: on this show, you know what Pitbull means. The mister
Speaker 2: worldwide of NBA media, he is Zach Harper on a Thursday.
Speaker 1: Zach, Happy Thursday. Man, how you doing.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great now that I hurt pit Bull? You
Speaker 3: kidding me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: All right, man, all right, right out of the gates.
Speaker 2: Let's just jump into it. Because the hot button topic
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City about the Utah Jazz is this, Zach.
Speaker 1: Are you ready?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: John Collins is a fifty to forty ninety guy. It's
Speaker 2: a real thing. It's happened for the Utah Jazz this year.
Speaker 2: And so at the age of twenty seven. You know,
Speaker 2: because they have so many young players, we talk about
Speaker 2: John like he's sixty, he's twenty seven. Is there space
Speaker 2: in your mind that at the age of twenty seven
Speaker 2: clearly being the jazz best player this year, which I
Speaker 2: never thought I'd say that maybe John Collins could be
Speaker 2: in for the law on hall here.
Speaker 3: I mean, what does that do? Like, I don't want
Speaker 3: to be mean about John Collins. I've never been a
Speaker 3: John Collins guy. I don't think he's bad. I just
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know how consistently he contributes to winning.
Speaker 3: And this isn't a fair representation with him being on
Speaker 3: this team because I don't think they've put a winning product,
Speaker 3: you know, in the locker room. But like he's fine, right,
Speaker 3: Like I think if he's in your starting lineup, you
Speaker 3: you know, you need three or four really good guys
Speaker 3: in that starting lineup too. And I think if he was,
Speaker 3: if he was coming off my bench, I would feel
Speaker 3: better about it. But I just I don't know, Like
Speaker 3: I mean, is he really a fit? Like I know
Speaker 3: he's I know his percentage of fifty forty ninety, But
Speaker 3: to me, the fifty forty ninety thing needs to come with,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, a threat that teams are terrified
Speaker 3: to leave you from that three point range?
Speaker 1: Right all right, Zach, you know what, here's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 2: You ask me a question about the Jazz, I don't know,
Speaker 2: ask me something about the jazz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Try doing this four hours every day, Zach, So go ahead,
Speaker 2: ask me a question about the jazz.
Speaker 3: All right, how about how about how about this? How
Speaker 3: about this? How close to let's say this, how how
Speaker 3: close to like, Oh, my goodness, Walker Kessler has made
Speaker 3: this Rudy Gobert trade the worst trade in NBA history.
Speaker 3: And I know it wasn't really about Walker, was more
Speaker 3: about what Rudy and the Wolves weren't doing. But how
Speaker 3: close to like that version of Walker? Do you feel
Speaker 3: it like we're at in terms of maybe I don't
Speaker 3: even mean played, because he's a better player now than
Speaker 3: he was then, but just in terms of excitement.
Speaker 2: So I will say that Walker has been the main
Speaker 2: bright spot to the start for the Jazz.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I asked you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been he's been good. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like I ask you that every single day. What
Speaker 2: he still doesn't every every single time he joined us.
Speaker 2: What he still doesn't do that Rudy did? And yeah,
Speaker 2: and Rudy has done in Minnesota, maybe not at the
Speaker 2: level that people were expecting this year, but it's still early.
Speaker 2: He does not have the same impact on winning the
Speaker 2: route he had. And I know that's kind of a
Speaker 2: clichedd thing, cliche thing to say about basketball, but it's
Speaker 2: a real thing. And Walker still has a marathon to
Speaker 2: go with setting screens and understanding the flow offensively of
Speaker 2: what Will's.
Speaker 1: Trying to do.
Speaker 2: I think it's like relief around here that the sophomore
Speaker 2: slump appeared to have been just that as opposed to
Speaker 2: who he is, and he looks better now than he
Speaker 2: did pretty much at any point last season. And you know,
Speaker 2: whenever I do any other shows, they always ask me
Speaker 2: who's going to be around when the Jazz are good
Speaker 2: outside of marketing, And to start the season, I said,
Speaker 2: I think maybe nobody, And now I think Walker is
Speaker 2: somebody I'm ready to slot next to him as far
Speaker 2: as somebody who's going to be here for.
Speaker 1: The long haul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. I mean, I think I've been very
Speaker 3: impressed by Walker, So I'm with you on that. I
Speaker 3: you know, it's funny, like cut, it's also in terms
Speaker 3: of what you're talking about with Walker, and like setting
Speaker 3: screens and setting screens is you know, is a is
Speaker 3: a legitimate skill for big men, but but just in
Speaker 3: terms of like helping the offense and everything. It's a
Speaker 3: little different when you get to do it with like
Speaker 3: Gordon Hayward and Donovan Mitchell and Mike colly, right, Like,
Speaker 3: it's a little it's a little bit different there. So
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know you can kill Walker
Speaker 3: for that. I was actually just think this just click
Speaker 3: with me. You know. The John Collins thing is like
Speaker 3: for me, it's like when I would you know, I
Speaker 3: have a bunch of friends who are in Minneapolis. They're
Speaker 3: massive Vikings fans, right, and they would and I'm in
Speaker 3: this group chat with him for the Fantasy Football League
Speaker 3: and and so like all the time I'm getting all
Speaker 3: this like over the years, I was getting all this
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins stuff, and I'm like, Kirk Cousins is not good.
Speaker 3: I just I don't care what the numbers are, Like,
Speaker 3: I just don't think he's good. And my whole thing
Speaker 3: is like when someone's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: He's does this, this and this, my answer is always okay,
Speaker 3: So do you want him as your starter? Right, Like,
Speaker 3: let's just put it on the tape, Like we can
Speaker 3: debate skills and impact all stuff, but you want him
Speaker 3: as your starter? And I would get a lot of
Speaker 3: hemming in hind. That's what it feels over the John
Speaker 3: Collins thing, right, Like, I recognize he's a talented basketball
Speaker 3: player and it's number good this year and everything, But
Speaker 3: when I when it gets downs on like the next
Speaker 3: five years of one, as you're starting power forward, I
Speaker 3: don't know that there's a lot of like absolutely right,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh yeah, that might work out. And that's
Speaker 3: what it feels like.
Speaker 1: It's just and that's a good analogy.
Speaker 2: Like it's very Sharif abdul Raheem Vancouver Grizzlies, like is
Speaker 2: he a twenty and ten guyers he played right, like
Speaker 2: playing for a team that won seven games, and shreefab
Speaker 2: Durheim ended up playing rotational minutes on some good teams
Speaker 2: later on. But I look, John Collins is not an
Speaker 2: answer as far as a puzzle piece that you want
Speaker 2: to put in place forever. I suppose the Collins situation
Speaker 2: is only good news though, because maybe maybe Will found
Speaker 2: something that no other coach has been able to find.
Speaker 2: And this is real, so maybe you do have a
Speaker 2: twenty seven year old player that can be around for
Speaker 2: a few years, or is there a team out there
Speaker 2: that has been impressed with what John has done, and
Speaker 2: so they want to make a move and maybe you
Speaker 2: actually get a first round pick for John Collins, which
Speaker 2: last year I would have said, no way.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'm with you there, Like, I think that
Speaker 3: is the more important future for John Collins is what
Speaker 3: do the Jazz turn him into, not as a player,
Speaker 3: but as a trade, whether that's bringing in a good player,
Speaker 3: bringing in assets, whatever that is. To me, that's where
Speaker 3: with all these guys who aren't definite parts of the future,
Speaker 3: where you Because to me, also, I know it's not
Speaker 3: this simple, but I do try to have this philosophy
Speaker 3: of like if I ask myself a question and I
Speaker 3: have to think about it, it's a no. And mostly
Speaker 3: that's with like spring cleaning and hoarding and stuff where
Speaker 3: I'm like, I need to get rid of some stuff
Speaker 3: in this apartment. I'll look in the clause I'm like,
Speaker 3: do I want that? And if I have to think
Speaker 3: about it, it's a no. And I try to live
Speaker 3: by that. And that's why I think about that with
Speaker 3: players like this, I'm like, if you have to kind
Speaker 3: of wonder if this guy should be a part of
Speaker 3: your future, then I think it's a no, Walker Kessler,
Speaker 3: that's a yes, Lowry Markton, that's a yes. Everyone else
Speaker 3: like yeah, you start kind of hemming and han because also,
Speaker 3: this is the point of this Jazz team, right is
Speaker 3: to have some of these guys who are possible within
Speaker 3: the margins, players like you know, John Collins at twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five million dollars a year could be a discount
Speaker 3: for a lot of teams if this is what he
Speaker 3: can do for them. What he does for the Jazz
Speaker 3: isn't all that relevant. It's what teams who might trade
Speaker 3: for him think. He thinks, like what he can do
Speaker 3: for them if they acquire, and then what is that
Speaker 3: worth to them in a trade? Like to me, that's
Speaker 3: the more important conversation with John Collins.
Speaker 2: Sure, I want to move over to this. The Jazz
Speaker 2: are horrific in a number of different ways. But the
Speaker 2: two ways that jump at you when you look at
Speaker 2: numbers is defensively, they don't do anything well, and then
Speaker 2: they cannot take care of the basketball. They're almost two
Speaker 2: turnovers worse than the second worst team in turnovers per game.
Speaker 2: They're the worst team in the NBA and points off turnovers.
Speaker 2: And look, I've always hesitated to be like, what have
Speaker 2: we learned about Will Hardy the coach? Because to your
Speaker 2: point about Walker Kess for the screen setter, it's one
Speaker 2: thing if it's Donovan Mitchell with Gobert. It's another thing
Speaker 2: that it's Johnny jus Ang with Walker. And that's very fair.
Speaker 2: And I don't think Will has the talent at his
Speaker 2: disposal for us to learn anything about him as a
Speaker 2: head coach.
Speaker 1: But Zach, I watch every game.
Speaker 2: They're lazy, they make bad decisions, they don't run back
Speaker 2: on defense, like, they don't do things that well coached
Speaker 2: teams do. Is that is anything there as far as
Speaker 2: putting it at the feet of their head coach? Or
Speaker 2: is this just simply a really bad basketball team with
Speaker 2: no talent?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that's a very fair question, right,
Speaker 3: Like I think there is a there is a point
Speaker 3: like I have a bunch of or friends who are
Speaker 3: Blazers fans, right and they don't like Chauncey Billups. But
Speaker 3: then we'll talk about, like, hey, defense has actually been
Speaker 3: pretty solid, way better than you would think this year,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, yeah, but that's kind of coaching, right,
Speaker 3: Like so like and I'm gonna saying you have to
Speaker 3: like Chousey Billets as a coach, but it's it's interesting
Speaker 3: to me when it's like, we got to get rid
Speaker 3: of this guy. But they do do this well, and
Speaker 3: you can't really separate the two, right, Like they do
Speaker 3: it well because I think the coach gets them to
Speaker 3: do it well or at least better than what you
Speaker 3: would think most nights with the Blazers and with the Jazz,
Speaker 3: it's kind of the flip of that. It's like, Wow,
Speaker 3: there's all these red flags about this team, like, this
Speaker 3: team's terrible, they do this poorly, this poorly, and do
Speaker 3: this in a disinterested way. But I like will Hardy right,
Speaker 3: and it's and I do think I do think there's
Speaker 3: something of I think Will Hardy can help develop players.
Speaker 3: I think if you gave him a good roster, they'd
Speaker 3: be very successful. I don't think he's a hindrance for
Speaker 3: that at all. But they are in this weird middle
Speaker 3: ground right now of trying to figure out who who
Speaker 3: fits and who doesn't, and and to me, those are
Speaker 3: signs of guys who don't right Like I turnovers, I don't,
Speaker 3: especially for a young team. I don't mind turnovers. And
Speaker 3: I know that sounds kind of dumb, but like if
Speaker 3: you like, you're kind of troubleshooting in real time, Like
Speaker 3: we'll get you know, a Luca or a Trey Young
Speaker 3: or whatever of a young point guard, a young league
Speaker 3: guard in the league and first two years, like it's like, man,
Speaker 3: these turnovers, they're averaging so many turnovers, Like yeah, but
Speaker 3: they're you're kind of in a way troubleshooting what you
Speaker 3: can get away with and what you can create as
Speaker 3: a passer, as a dribbler, whatever. And so I do
Speaker 3: think turnovers can be fine as long as it progresses
Speaker 3: down the road. But when it's met with like, well,
Speaker 3: there's a breakaway dunk, and there is a breakaway dunk,
Speaker 3: and we're not getting back on defense and one guy
Speaker 3: gets back, why while a missshot happens on a fast
Speaker 3: break and now they're getting offensive rebound and stuff because
Speaker 3: no one else got back. Those are problems. And to me,
Speaker 3: it's both player and coach and and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, it's probably fine in the first part of
Speaker 3: the season in a way, or at least not terrible.
Speaker 3: If that's happening all season long, yeah, that's a coaching issue.
Speaker 2: And I do wonder at what point, because I tend
Speaker 2: to agree with you about giving young players the benefit
Speaker 2: of doubt, and I've always said that about make or
Speaker 2: miss as well. But we do at some point have
Speaker 2: to wonder who Keyante George is in pro basketball, because
Speaker 2: he is the number one culprit in turnovers per game
Speaker 2: and probably the number one culpriate in bad shots selection
Speaker 2: and just the inability to make shots. And I've always said,
Speaker 2: like mak er miss is a thing that in pro
Speaker 2: basketball you ten to learn. Some guys have it right away,
Speaker 2: but you have great coaching, you put in the work,
Speaker 2: you can learn to shoot. You understand the game a
Speaker 2: little bit better, you pick your spots, You're able to
Speaker 2: get to your spot, elevate make shots the way you
Speaker 2: couldn't when you were younger. Is he is young, But
Speaker 2: we've already talked about the splits going back to college.
Speaker 2: You're one in pro basketball, twenty two games in a
Speaker 2: year two in pro basketball. I'll just say I've not
Speaker 2: seen him get better at all. At what point is
Speaker 2: that a problem?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, like I think by I think by
Speaker 3: like year three, if you're not getting better, then this
Speaker 3: is just what you are, right, And maybe that's harsh
Speaker 3: and I'm sure there are outliers to that, but especially
Speaker 3: for a lead guard like that's you kind of got
Speaker 3: to show progression, right, I mean, I think that's part
Speaker 3: of what Portland's going through with Scoot Henderson's Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you can show flashes, and the flashes are great, but
Speaker 3: the consistency is what makes you a player, right, And
Speaker 3: that's that's what makes you who you are as a player.
Speaker 3: And looking at Chante's numbers, I mean, other than an
Speaker 3: increase in minutes and increase in shots, like there's like
Speaker 3: it's pretty consistent to what we saw last year, at
Speaker 3: least with the numbers across the board. And you know,
Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this a bunch over
Speaker 3: the last year and a half, Like I like what
Speaker 3: I see out of him, but the results don't yield it.
Speaker 3: And so there's a certain point where the process is
Speaker 3: just like you know, if it doesn't yield different results,
Speaker 3: even if it looks good, I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 3: not worth it, right. And so you know, his scoring
Speaker 3: is up two point nine points per game, but his
Speaker 3: shot at hims are up two point eight. That's not
Speaker 3: that's not progress, right. And then in the percentages, are
Speaker 3: basically the same across the board. His assists are up
Speaker 3: one point two, his turnovers are up zero point eight.
Speaker 3: That's not really progress. And so yeah, like I mean,
Speaker 3: if if, if we don't see progression out of him
Speaker 3: towards the end of the season, and it doesn't have
Speaker 3: to it does not like he has to go shoot
Speaker 3: forty eight percent from the field one month, but like
Speaker 3: forty three would be cool. I don't think that's asking
Speaker 3: a lot, right, Like just cutting down on some turnovers
Speaker 3: here and there could be like would be good. And
Speaker 3: then if you get this, you know, if you get
Speaker 3: this at the start of next season, he's just not
Speaker 3: the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and forty three percent would be more than cool.
Speaker 2: It would be very exciting.
Speaker 1: It would be cool.
Speaker 2: But yes, like give us that at least and we
Speaker 2: can be okay with it, all right, you guys over
Speaker 2: at the athletic I read this earlier when it was
Speaker 2: at the gym. Don't want to get into it with
Speaker 2: shoulders and arms. Today it's you know, it's the thing
Speaker 2: I do. No, not today, that's Saturday, because I have
Speaker 2: yoga tomorrow.
Speaker 1: No, I did.
Speaker 2: My next one is Saturday. Okay, you don't know what Monday,
Speaker 2: looks like we're all in Zach. What's it's It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: But I read the uh, the front office piece you
Speaker 2: guys put out for the Athletics. So you guys ranked
Speaker 2: the front offices in all of pro basketball, uh number one,
Speaker 2: certainly OKAC runaway. It is terrifying, not just who they are,
Speaker 2: but who they could be with those guys making the decision.
Speaker 2: I was really curious as to where the Jazz would
Speaker 2: fall because typically the Jazz are like a top five
Speaker 2: or top six front office, and you guys slotted them
Speaker 2: at fourteen, which isn't bad, but it's not good. Give
Speaker 2: me your thoughts on where the Jazz landed at your
Speaker 2: front office rankings today. Number fourteen, just behind Philly, just
Speaker 2: ahead of Dallas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to give a little bit deeper context to it,
Speaker 3: this was an anonymous poll of forty different executives around
Speaker 3: the league. General manager, assistant general manager, you know, all
Speaker 3: kinds like the top executives though, done by sam Ay Mix,
Speaker 3: John Hollingdry and Mike Borkanoff, who were just you know,
Speaker 3: some of the best in the business, and so it
Speaker 3: was like a point system of like a first place
Speaker 3: voter is so many points. It was kind of like
Speaker 3: awards voting, right, and the one rule was like you
Speaker 3: can't vote for your team, And so I was actually
Speaker 3: surprised that Jazz were as low as they were, that
Speaker 3: they weren't in the top ten. I get it, like
Speaker 3: I think, I think we did this at the end
Speaker 3: of last season. Cleveland doesn't finish in the top ten, right,
Speaker 3: like I think there have been a lot of questions
Speaker 3: about that. I think their hot start kind of skewed
Speaker 3: some of that. I think the same for Minnesota in
Speaker 3: terms of I think people respect Tim Connolly, but also
Speaker 3: they made the conference finals last year. If they get
Speaker 3: knocked down in the first round, I'm not sure that
Speaker 3: that is that's the case where he gets them into
Speaker 3: the top ten this year in this poll. And so
Speaker 3: I think for me, you know, it looks bad right
Speaker 3: now with the Jazz in terms of the products on
Speaker 3: the floor, but you can see what they're doing. They're
Speaker 3: accumulating assets, they're drafting, they're trying to find the value picks,
Speaker 3: and then they're hoping to like win that lottery and
Speaker 3: it's either Cooper Flag or it's a failure. It's the
Speaker 3: loser brothers next next year, you know, or twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six like whatever. So I think the Jazz do a
Speaker 3: great job of finding those moves. I mean, that's the
Speaker 3: thing to me where you know, Charlotte did this in
Speaker 3: the Charlotte's new front office did this. Who's a guy,
Speaker 3: Jeff Peterson, I thing he like they did this with
Speaker 3: the Karlington Town's trade this you know right before. It
Speaker 3: was just like they got involved and they ended up
Speaker 3: getting a little bit of draft capital. The teams with
Speaker 3: cap space, the teams with flexibility, those are the smart
Speaker 3: teams that get into those trades as like a third
Speaker 3: or fourth team and end up with a little something.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be a big something, but it's
Speaker 3: a little something to me, the Jazz do that constantly,
Speaker 3: and that's what Danny Ainge and Justin zannakers good at
Speaker 3: with that, and so I think they should be a
Speaker 3: little higher. But also with the way the product looks
Speaker 3: on the floor, I think that can skew the way
Speaker 3: some people are looking at this.
Speaker 2: Did you guys take in to do into considerations current
Speaker 2: ownership situations, Yes, that.
Speaker 3: Was part of I mean, I believe that was the
Speaker 3: prompt of like, hey, we're going top level, right. Like
Speaker 3: I can't speak to it directly because I wasn't part
Speaker 3: of the of the polling of the executives, but that
Speaker 3: you know, the way it's listed out and the way
Speaker 3: it's laid out in the article it does you know,
Speaker 3: you do have ownership mentions and stuff, and I think
Speaker 3: that matters. I think it's why. It's why, like I
Speaker 3: wrote about it today for our newsletter of just a
Speaker 3: mention of hey, Charlotte's been bumbling forever and now they've
Speaker 3: got new ownership. Jeff Peterson's in there, Charles leaves the
Speaker 3: coach like it looks better. It doesn't look fixed, but
Speaker 3: it looks better, right, And I do think to me,
Speaker 3: ownership is always the most important part of all of this.
Speaker 3: It is, right if you have a meddling owner, I mean, look,
Speaker 3: market matters, and luck matters and all you know, there's
Speaker 3: stuff that it's there that matters. But if you have
Speaker 3: an owner who completely tanks things because they want to
Speaker 3: medal and everything like that usually ends up rooting things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and ownership is always going to be the most
Speaker 2: important element of professional sports. So that leads me to
Speaker 2: the question what is the feel around pro basketball right now?
Speaker 2: Because when the Miller's owned the Jazz, it felt like
Speaker 2: front office rankings were very rarely less than five sixty
Speaker 2: seven something like that. Does any of this have anything
Speaker 2: to do with the fact that there's been an ownership change.
Speaker 3: I do think that there's this weird split and it's
Speaker 3: nothing new, but it's getting more and more like this, right.
Speaker 3: I do think there's this weird split of like old
Speaker 3: school ownership run organizations and like the newer, like almost
Speaker 3: tech pro aspect of it. Right, And there is like
Speaker 3: I was talking about this with someone earlier today about
Speaker 3: you know, why doesn't Denver just go out and spend
Speaker 3: and why don't they do this? I'm like, this is
Speaker 3: you know, this isn't tech bros. Buying the Denver Nuggets
Speaker 3: and saying, like, how do we make this our number
Speaker 3: one business? It's the Cronkys. They got money. They're like,
Speaker 3: they're good, Like he'd had money forever and they've been
Speaker 3: successful forever and they don't need to worry about that.
Speaker 3: They got their championship with the Nuggets and and now
Speaker 3: they can be you know, cheap kind of within the
Speaker 3: margins of spending and and like it's not important to them,
Speaker 3: whereas I think newer ownership is it's important to them.
Speaker 3: So I think with the new owners, I bet Brian
Speaker 3: Smith is like super respected and and and love. I
Speaker 3: bet some of the old owners are looking at it
Speaker 3: and like, yes, I mean this this tech kid. He
Speaker 3: doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't no sports. I
Speaker 3: do think there's this real divide amongst ownership.
Speaker 2: There absolutely is, And I think I'll just leave that there,
Speaker 2: all right, What is your uh, what's your favorite ending
Speaker 2: to the Jimmy Butler saga?
Speaker 3: Oh, I kind of want him in Golden State. I
Speaker 3: kind of like him and Draymond on the same team
Speaker 3: him like kind of being the second guy to steph Uh,
Speaker 3: he can. I think he can do what he wanted
Speaker 3: to do in Minnesota before he realized like, oh these
Speaker 3: guys don't have it. I gotta do this all myself.
Speaker 3: I think that's to me the most fun. The Houston
Speaker 3: one could be super fun too, because him paired with Udoka, Like,
Speaker 3: that's that's a that's a lot of psychosists. And I
Speaker 3: mean that in a very nice way, like a complimentary way.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of weird psychotic competitive energy from from
Speaker 3: coach and star player, and I don't think it would
Speaker 3: really hurt them. I think he would help Shangoon a lot.
Speaker 3: But again, like we saw it in Minnesota, like those
Speaker 3: guys have to be about winning for him to not
Speaker 3: make it a mess. Otherwise, I think he gets kind
Speaker 3: of bored and wants to make it a mess.
Speaker 1: Butler Udoka is free.
Speaker 2: Well, Carlossimo times ten, that's not ending in a Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not ending in a gentle choke.
Speaker 4: Zach no, no, no, no, no, no, They're gonna no, it's
Speaker 4: gonna end up in like you know that scene in Kickboxer,
Speaker 4: or they're like they get sticky stuff on the hands
Speaker 4: and then they put it in like broken shards of
Speaker 4: glass and nails.
Speaker 3: Like that's what that would be.
Speaker 1: Blood Sport. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, blood Sport.
Speaker 2: The old John Van Clad, John Van Clad dam or
Speaker 2: whatever the hell's name was, dude, John Claude Van Do Now,
Speaker 2: I would imagine Cinopho.
Speaker 1: His movies have to be right in your wheelhouse. You
Speaker 1: have to have talked about a few.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did blood Sport, we did Time Cop, we
Speaker 3: did Lion Hard. I feel like I'm missing some but
Speaker 3: yeah no, jpbd is is very involved in cinophol.
Speaker 2: What's the Zach Harper enthusiasm level during Christmas?
Speaker 3: Oh? I love it. I love Christmas. I love you know,
Speaker 3: buying gifts from my nieces and nephew. I love hanging
Speaker 3: out with the family. I love uh the Hallmark Christmas
Speaker 3: movies that I love watching Dieharden, arguing with my niece
Speaker 3: that it's the Christmas movie. I love it all.
Speaker 1: We have a tree up in the domicile.
Speaker 3: Not in mind, no, because I usually in the I'm
Speaker 3: never here for the actual holiday. I go to my
Speaker 3: parents place. But but there's a tree there obviously it's
Speaker 3: very well decorated.
Speaker 2: All right, brother, Well, I appreciate the time today. I
Speaker 2: have a great weekend with chat next week.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Thanks MAV great.
Speaker 2: Zach Harper from The Athletic also the host of the
Speaker 2: Cinfo pod.
Speaker 1: He has like five podcasts. He's a busy guy.
Speaker 2: Get the links to all of his work up on
Speaker 2: his Twitter page at talk Hoops is where you find him.