Speaker 1: And yet I ask you, it's not an alien force.
Speaker 2: Already among the.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, we got
Speaker 3: a very special guest.
Speaker 4: So I was really looking forward to speaking, and it is
Speaker 4: going to be speaking at an event that I plan
Speaker 4: on having a booth.
Speaker 3: That so this is really exciting. I get to her prior.
Speaker 4: But before we get to the special guest, I'm going
Speaker 4: to introduce the other reject you're joining us on the show.
Speaker 3: And to start off, we got Brooke. What is going on? Brooke?
Speaker 3: How are you hi?
Speaker 5: Guys, how's it going? I'm really excited for tonight's topic,
Speaker 5: you know, being a encrypted girlly myself, I'm excited for
Speaker 5: everything that Jessica's going to bring to the panel tonight.
Speaker 5: We are also going to be at an event, Harley's
Speaker 5: Bond Belief Expo October eighteenth, down in Fort Myers, Florida.
Speaker 5: The Occult reject will be there too, So come on
Speaker 5: and see us. I'll be speaking and it is going
Speaker 5: to be a great time. And you can find me
Speaker 5: wherever you get your podcasts in on Instagram at Dark
Speaker 5: Floor to podcast.
Speaker 4: Hell Yeah, thank you, Brooke, Glad you meet it tonight.
Speaker 4: And my main Headless Giant. What is going on, sir?
Speaker 6: How's it going Nick? Happy Monday, everybody. You can find
Speaker 6: me at the Headless Giant on x and on YouTube,
Speaker 6: also on Instagram. I just got prints of my paintings
Speaker 6: back today, so I'm going to be putting those out
Speaker 6: there soon, so you guys can purchase copies of those.
Speaker 6: You can find my show on Thursday nights with my
Speaker 6: co host Nick over here, and we will be reading
Speaker 6: your occult slash Esoteric slash, Bizarre dream emails. You can
Speaker 6: email those to me at the Headless Giant podcast at
Speaker 6: gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: Thank you, yes, of course, sir, and get those emails out,
Speaker 4: send them all right. Next, we got my man Tim Constantine,
Speaker 4: What is going on, sir?
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for making it.
Speaker 7: Hey, Nick, thanks for having me. Hello everyone, Happy to
Speaker 7: be here, Love Cryptids. I'm really excited for this one.
Speaker 7: So I'm on a conspiracy garden over at Cult Conspiracy
Speaker 7: on Sundays. You can find me over there. That's Sundays only,
Speaker 7: and my main show is Sixth Century Podcast on all
Speaker 7: the major platforms. Cryptidhunterests in the house. Excited for this.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for making it.
Speaker 2: Tim.
Speaker 4: We just appreciate when you're on the show. And we
Speaker 4: got my man Tyrone. What is going on? How were you?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 8: What's going on? It's an honor to be here. I'm
Speaker 8: eager to learn what you got to share. So we're
Speaker 8: gonna jump straight into it. Everything you can find on
Speaker 8: me is on my website, rebirthothword dot com. I'm also
Speaker 8: a best selling author, which you can buy my book
Speaker 8: on Amazon, Journey through the Ordinans of History.
Speaker 4: Thanks Nick, of course, thank you for joining us. And
Speaker 4: we got my man Jewels. What is going on?
Speaker 9: Am I muted? I'm muted. I'm always muted. What's up, guys.
Speaker 9: I'm Jewels, host of the Gray Pillared Podcast. Got a
Speaker 9: lot of shows I do. Go over check out my
Speaker 9: link tree, go over to Rumble. I'm highly active on
Speaker 9: their YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcasts. You can find me on
Speaker 9: x at Gray pilled Pod and over on Patreon. We
Speaker 9: do a lot of exclusive stuff on Patreon, esotery, book reviews,
Speaker 9: watch parties. You get a free sticker pack, all that
Speaker 9: good stuff. So and Nick, thank you for having me on. Man,
Speaker 9: these are always great conversations. See some familiar face. It's
Speaker 9: good to see you guys. Tim It's nice to meet
Speaker 9: you as well as you Jessica.
Speaker 1: Very excited.
Speaker 9: I used to have a show I did every Sunday
Speaker 9: called Cryptid Watch, and it was me drinking cores banquets
Speaker 9: in my garage and watching cryptive videos and chatting shit
Speaker 9: with my audience.
Speaker 1: And you know, we'd have a game we play called
Speaker 1: Cryptid or Crackhead. A lot of fun stuff.
Speaker 9: You pulled out of that, But this is right up
Speaker 9: my alley. This is one of the first things that
Speaker 9: I kind of started coming out talking about when my
Speaker 9: podcast first started. So I'm very excited, very excited.
Speaker 10: I dig that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jules.
Speaker 4: That was awesome the last but I at least we
Speaker 4: got bet at what is going on?
Speaker 2: So what's going on? Everybody? I Jessica, you are a
Speaker 2: a big fan. Bigfoot is my gateway drug to this
Speaker 2: whole crazy world of high strangeness. You can find me
Speaker 2: on Broadcasting Seeds at broadcasting seeds dot com. And none
Speaker 2: of you have ever heard this before, but I do
Speaker 2: have a Bigfoot centered podcast called The Whispers of the
Speaker 2: Wood Ape on the Catskill Apply Appellation Research Collective web
Speaker 2: YouTube page. So I'm excited for.
Speaker 3: Tonight Bennett's alter ego over there. Yeah, right there you go.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, finally we got all that out of
Speaker 4: the way. Now we got Jessica Jones, the cryptid huntress?
Speaker 4: What is going on? Thank you very much for finally
Speaker 4: making it for the people who don't know who you are.
Speaker 4: Can you give us this a little introduction about.
Speaker 3: What you do?
Speaker 10: Sure? Well, I'm a monster hunter and I've been doing
Speaker 10: this for a long time. Actually, I am a longtime
Speaker 10: bigfoot field researcher. I'm based out of Georgia, and I
Speaker 10: never spoke publicly about what I did for over ten years, okay,
Speaker 10: and I started back in twenty eleven. I'm on four
Speaker 10: actually I'm on five different research and investigative teams right now.
Speaker 10: But yeah, I've been doing it, like I said, for
Speaker 10: a long time. We cover everything. We went out looking
Speaker 10: for Bigfoot, but we ended up running into everything else
Speaker 10: out there, so I've experienced a lot of weird stuff. Okay,
Speaker 10: And right now I'm actually on a team where we
Speaker 10: actually go out and we go hunt dogmen stuff too.
Speaker 10: So skinwalker caves, you name it, I do it, and
Speaker 10: it's a lot of fun. I actually, when I was
Speaker 10: kind of coaxed into speaking publicly. Finally, a few years ago,
Speaker 10: I was asked to speak at a conference, just a
Speaker 10: small little gig. Nobody was going to be there. It
Speaker 10: was one time thing, and that ended up snowballing into
Speaker 10: me being on having multiple shows, podcasts and having a
Speaker 10: live shows on radio station and all that stuff. And
Speaker 10: I am now known as the Cryptid Huntress. Somehow I've
Speaker 10: gotten that name. And I am a YouTuber, I guess
Speaker 10: you could say, now, and I have a show. It's
Speaker 10: called the Cryptid Huntress. It's my channel. I'm all over
Speaker 10: social media. I speak all over the country at Bigfoot
Speaker 10: encryptied and disclosure conferences and events, all the small town
Speaker 10: Bigfoot festivals around, especially around Georgia. You can find me
Speaker 10: pretty much everywhere. Uh but yeah, I one one little
Speaker 10: public speaking event turned into what I do today, pretty
Speaker 10: much speaking publicly. But like I said, I never meant
Speaker 10: to speak publicly. My my teams are not really public,
Speaker 10: one of them is. But but yeah, we're we're really
Speaker 10: big on the research and keeping everything private. When it
Speaker 10: came to what we were doing out there, we are
Speaker 10: not only trained, well, we were training. I'm training a
Speaker 10: whole lot of stuff actually, but one of the main
Speaker 10: things that my my original team was trained extensively and
Speaker 10: is called remote viewing. And so I am a remote viewer,
Speaker 10: the military type of remote viewing, and uh, we use
Speaker 10: that in our research. Actually, I do a show every
Speaker 10: Thursday night that just focuses on remote viewing targets, and
Speaker 10: a lot of times they do involve cryptids as well,
Speaker 10: like alledge or suspected dog man attacks and big foot
Speaker 10: attacks and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool. I'm
Speaker 10: just having fun, y'all. It's just something I love to do.
Speaker 10: And why why not you know, do it if you know,
Speaker 10: I've been doing it for so long, I never meant
Speaker 10: to go public. Now in public, I'm going full throttle, okay,
Speaker 10: And so I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: It was Actually it's funny because I you know, when
Speaker 4: I asked you to come on the show, I had,
Speaker 4: you know, I was sort of looking into some of
Speaker 4: the stuff, you know, your own whatever, your own stuff.
Speaker 3: I was looking at it.
Speaker 4: And I had saw that that guy John had you
Speaker 4: speaking at a place that was in North Carolina, and
Speaker 4: I think it mentioned something about boots. Like it was
Speaker 4: just so weird, how like because I had you on
Speaker 4: happen to check your stuff. I hit him up and
Speaker 4: he's like, oh, I'll give you one at old six months. Okay,
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's pretty pretty well how that all worked
Speaker 4: out real quick. I know, I'm pretty sure that people
Speaker 4: have questions they want to ask you, but like I
Speaker 4: did want to ask maybe two questions.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I guess what kind of got got you even into
Speaker 4: Like what was maybe did you have an experience I
Speaker 4: got you into the cryptid stuff?
Speaker 3: And what got you into remote viewing?
Speaker 10: Mh. Well, when I was a little kid, I always
Speaker 10: was interested in the paranormal, like I just had a
Speaker 10: connection to it. I saw ghosts. I used to take
Speaker 10: my little you know, kindergarten Matt outside. I grew up
Speaker 10: on a farm out in the country. I mean miles
Speaker 10: from the nearest grocery store. Was like ten miles to
Speaker 10: the nearest grocery store back then, Okay, and uh. I
Speaker 10: would take my Matt outside at night and look for
Speaker 10: UFOs okay and uh. All my science projects were always
Speaker 10: on black like weird stuff like black holes and you know,
Speaker 10: spacecrafts and stuff.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 10: It was it was I was for a little country girl.
Speaker 10: It was in my opinion, it was a little forward thinking.
Speaker 10: I guess, you know, from where I came from and stuff.
Speaker 10: Uh but uh, but yeah, I just had a connection
Speaker 10: to it. I was always interested in creatures and things
Speaker 10: that weren't supposed to exist, because see, I had been
Speaker 10: seeing things that weren't supposed to exist since I was
Speaker 10: a kid. And uh. And so I just assumed that
Speaker 10: everything else that I had heard about probably was real,
Speaker 10: but I was gonna maybe find out, you know. It
Speaker 10: would always always just assume, like it'll it'll come across
Speaker 10: my path one day, we'll know and uh. And it
Speaker 10: wasn't until I was a young adult. Okay, I did
Speaker 10: not go looking for Bigfoot. It kind of came across
Speaker 10: my path. And uh. And so I had, you know,
Speaker 10: I was really into like ghost hunting and stuff kind
Speaker 10: of a long time ago. And I had had a
Speaker 10: whole lot of friends and family that had passed away,
Speaker 10: including like my brother and some of my very best
Speaker 10: friends and real close family, and so I was like
Speaker 10: wanting to connect to make sure everybody was okay, of course,
Speaker 10: and that kind of stuff. And so I got into
Speaker 10: just being interested in, you know, looking into like psychics
Speaker 10: and stuff like that. And my mom was always into it.
Speaker 10: I come from a family of very psychically switched on humans.
Speaker 10: They didn't they won't tell you that, they wouldn't talk
Speaker 10: about it. But like I could not get away with
Speaker 10: anything when I was a teenager, okay with like my
Speaker 10: mom and my dad too. Uh, they just knew everything.
Speaker 10: Like I guess it was psychic. So but uh, but yeah,
Speaker 10: you know, I would go and get like sessions, like
Speaker 10: this guy that had a ghost box and stuff. That
Speaker 10: was before we had those little ITC devices you know,
Speaker 10: you can everybody's got.
Speaker 1: Those now spirit boxes.
Speaker 10: Yes, well back back a long time ago, people didn't
Speaker 10: have all that. Uh. And this one guy would go around,
Speaker 10: same as Christopher Moon, and he would come to Atlanta
Speaker 10: and he had this ghost box to the dead or
Speaker 10: something that he had. I think he made it, and uh,
Speaker 10: and I went and I was able to like communicate
Speaker 10: with what I thought think was my family, you know,
Speaker 10: and uh, and stuff like that, and so that was cool.
Speaker 10: And you know, one thing just kind of led to another.
Speaker 10: And my mom was going to these like weekly meetups
Speaker 10: at a friend's house where they would have like a
Speaker 10: speaker that came in every Wednesday night, and uh, some
Speaker 10: of the esoteric community in Atlanta. Basically, they would all
Speaker 10: get together on Wednesdays and uh, they'd have everybody come
Speaker 10: speak from like I mean, survivalists and people that were
Speaker 10: selling silver and gold and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: I mean, this is a long time ago, y'all, to magicians,
Speaker 10: to belly dancers, to bigfoot field researchers. And my mom
Speaker 10: was like, hey, Jess, She's like, why don't you come
Speaker 10: with me? This will be really cool. I think this
Speaker 10: is right up your alley. There's some guys from North
Speaker 10: Georgia who are bigfoot field researchers. I think you would
Speaker 10: enjoy this. Why don't you come with me? I did
Speaker 10: my mom. Yeah, of all people, awesome, my mom's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 10: sounds like, oh yeah it was. It was actually really fun.
Speaker 1: It sounds a.
Speaker 10: Yeah. So I went to this like a little weekly
Speaker 10: and it was just this guy. It was mister Sam.
Speaker 10: This guy, Mister Sam and his girlfriend Berlin. They go
Speaker 10: to their house and there's a bunch of chairs in
Speaker 10: their in their living room and they had a podium
Speaker 10: and these guys. I used to go pretty often actually,
Speaker 10: but these guys were there and they had all this evidence.
Speaker 10: So like a Bigfoot, and you know, the track pictures
Speaker 10: and the castings and all this stuff, and that was cool.
Speaker 10: But these men had already established the big It was real.
Speaker 10: They had already been there, done that, been doing this
Speaker 10: for decades, right, they had moved on to the communication
Speaker 10: with Bigfoot at this point.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 10: And they had a spot, They had several spots that
Speaker 10: go to in North Georgia, and they were like, well
Speaker 10: they were also at least two of them were very
Speaker 10: much trained in remote viewing, you know, with military backgrounds okay,
Speaker 10: And so they were into the what they described as
Speaker 10: the mind, body spirit aspect of Bigfoot and other cryptids.
Speaker 10: And they had a team that was called Enigma Research Group.
Speaker 10: And and I had a lot of questions for these
Speaker 10: guys because I was like, man, okay, so these guys.
Speaker 10: I I saw their evidence. I saw what they had presented,
Speaker 10: and I was like, okay, they if anybody's going to
Speaker 10: see a Bigfoot. These guys. I did not expect to
Speaker 10: ever go out in the woods with them, but I
Speaker 10: did have a lot of questions and and I started asking, like,
Speaker 10: where's the body? Why have y'all never found a body?
Speaker 10: Where's the Okay? Like I was asking like the crazy
Speaker 10: questions that people asked me today, okay, and and they
Speaker 10: they answered, they had really good answers. You know, some
Speaker 10: of them had been to like to the body farms
Speaker 10: and stuff, you know, like up in Tennessee and they're
Speaker 10: explaining how animals decompose. I mean, I got a lot
Speaker 10: more than I expected out of those questions I had.
Speaker 10: But but one of the guys was like, we're having
Speaker 10: an expedition in October. Would you like to join us?
Speaker 10: And I was like, well, shoot, yeah, you know, because
Speaker 10: back then I was like, you know, I was wild
Speaker 10: and free. I was young. I was living in Atlanta,
Speaker 10: and what better way to go have some fun and
Speaker 10: go see a big foots reeled and going in the
Speaker 10: woods with some strange dudes. Okay and uh and so
Speaker 10: I was like, put me on your list, I'll be there.
Speaker 3: Turned into an episodes.
Speaker 10: It was wild, y'all. It was wild. I mean, I
Speaker 10: honestly like, I don't have a lot of fear, okay,
Speaker 10: and I mean I fear the right things. I have
Speaker 10: a healthy dose of fear us more awareness. But but
Speaker 10: you know, it is what it is. I was. I
Speaker 10: just wanted to go see a big foot. So so
Speaker 10: I got a tent and all my gear and everything.
Speaker 10: They sent me a list. They're like, here, you need this,
Speaker 10: this and this, and so I got it and I
Speaker 10: loaded up. I was driving like a volkswagging back. I
Speaker 10: think I had a pasade or something. And it wasn't
Speaker 10: forrible drive, y'all. And it was not a good idea
Speaker 10: to drive this into the North Georgia Mountains where we went,
Speaker 10: but I did. I don't know how I made it,
Speaker 10: but I did. And I ended up going up there
Speaker 10: and made I kept thinking. I was like, well, if
Speaker 10: nothing else, I'm going to make some good friends, I'm
Speaker 10: gonna go camping. I had hears some fun stories, and
Speaker 10: I get to go out and maybe see a big foot, okay,
Speaker 10: and uh. And I ended up going and uh and
Speaker 10: had the most intense experiences that I've ever had. First
Speaker 10: of all, at night in the woods. Okay, but uh,
Speaker 10: but crazy, crazy stuff went down, and it was so
Speaker 10: wild that it was almost like it sucked me in
Speaker 10: and now here today talking to you guys about it,
Speaker 10: because if the things that happened that weekend had not
Speaker 10: been so crazy, I would not have kept going back.
Speaker 9: Probably so were these things before you get into because
Speaker 9: I'm sure you will. Were these things more like physical
Speaker 9: or were they more maybe along the lines of spiritual
Speaker 9: or because I'm at the belief that Bigfoot is both
Speaker 9: sasquatch whatever you want to call them, sam squanch, you know,
Speaker 9: so I know I'm very interested in hearing about this experience.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, Uh, it's both. Okay, if they're like him
Speaker 10: as we're spiritual and we are both flesh and bone, right, Okay,
Speaker 10: So that's that's the same as Bigfoot, same is pretty
Speaker 10: much any crypto I've encountered. I think that they are.
Speaker 10: I think they're both so very much solid animals or
Speaker 10: I'm going to say animals, but they're not their forced people.
Speaker 10: Let's just say okay. And and so I guess I
Speaker 10: can tell you guys about what happened some of some
Speaker 10: of the highlights of my trip that first time, because
Speaker 10: it got it got weird, got really weird. And uh.
Speaker 10: And so when I when I talk about Bigfoot when
Speaker 10: I'm speaking publicly, or you know, if I go on
Speaker 10: a show like I'm on right now. Uh, when I
Speaker 10: first started doing that, I kind of came out guns blazing,
Speaker 10: like Bigfoot is probably interdimensional and you know, there's things
Speaker 10: that happen that I can't describe, I can't explain, and
Speaker 10: I've had missing time. And when I started doing all
Speaker 10: this research, I started getting visited by aliens, and like,
Speaker 10: people thought it was wild. Okay, so you either so
Speaker 10: I had. I'm just gonna tell you guys I had.
Speaker 10: It was very polarizing because here I am talking about
Speaker 10: my real experiences that I've had, and there's a lot,
Speaker 10: you know, half half the bigfoot communities like oh, they're
Speaker 10: just flush and bone and there are a bunch of
Speaker 10: primates running around the woods right, and and then there's
Speaker 10: a few there's another half of people that were like, oh,
Speaker 10: they're interdimensional. There's a quantum bigfoot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: So I'm just right here. I believe it's both okay,
Speaker 10: but okay, So I got out there. The first time
Speaker 10: I ever went bigfooting, I volunteered to be bigfoot bait.
Speaker 10: I was like, you know, just put me in a
Speaker 10: weird predicament and so that I can see a bigfoot.
Speaker 10: And so the first night I went out with a
Speaker 10: team that there was a big group of people there.
Speaker 10: By the way, it wasn't just those four guys that
Speaker 10: were on the team they had. They brought like a
Speaker 10: bunch of people in some some very well known bigfooters
Speaker 10: from all over the country actually, but I didn't know
Speaker 10: who anybody was at the time. But they were kind
Speaker 10: of like do an expedition to see if they wanted
Speaker 10: to they wanted to expand their team, maybe bring a
Speaker 10: woman or two on their team. It was a bunch
Speaker 10: of dudes, and so they were excited to have me there,
Speaker 10: of course, because apparently Bigfoots like women. Okay, so so
Speaker 10: they had me, and there were a couple of other
Speaker 10: women there too, kind of older women. But but I
Speaker 10: was like, okay, just put me in the weirdest predicament ever.
Speaker 10: I will be bait. I want to go with the
Speaker 10: people that are going to have the most action out there.
Speaker 10: And so they put me with two of the guys
Speaker 10: that were regularly on the team and then some guys
Speaker 10: from out of town. We went to field I think
Speaker 10: we called it Field number one back then, and it
Speaker 10: was like we're in this national big big national forest
Speaker 10: in North Georgia in the mountains and undisclosed location. But
Speaker 10: but it's like a big group and then at night
Speaker 10: and during the day sometimes like we would divide off
Speaker 10: into small teams. And so I went with this one
Speaker 10: team and it was me and a bunch of guys
Speaker 10: and we went to this field. It was like an
Speaker 10: open field, like a meadow kind of and with a
Speaker 10: tree line up at the top in the middle of
Speaker 10: all these mountains and uh, and they were One of
Speaker 10: the guys was like, okay, Jessica, walk up a dare
Speaker 10: you to walk up to that tree line by yourself?
Speaker 10: And it was about seventy five yards almost a football field,
Speaker 10: okay almost, but it's like seventy five yards up this
Speaker 10: hill this tree line. Well, they it's a place where
Speaker 10: they had a lot of bigfoot activity and so they
Speaker 10: they knew there's gonna be something probably out there. But
Speaker 10: but I didn't have a I've been told like, don't
Speaker 10: use your flashlight out here, you know, we try not
Speaker 10: to use lights. I didn't have. I had like nothing.
Speaker 10: I mean, I had a backpack with some snacks and
Speaker 10: some water in it or something. Okay. I didn't have
Speaker 10: a radio like we carry Cebe radios and stuff now,
Speaker 10: and I mean we've got all the equipment, you know,
Speaker 10: But but it was just me and my backpack full
Speaker 10: of snacks, basically, and and they said, you know, go
Speaker 10: walk up the pitch dark late at night and uh.
Speaker 10: And so I was like, okay, cool. They were hoping
Speaker 10: that it would like pull out a big foot, you know,
Speaker 10: like lure something out. And they were gonna watch me
Speaker 10: from the bottom of the hill with their night vision,
Speaker 10: their flear, their thermal imaging cameras and stuff. And so
Speaker 10: I knew that if I got taken by anything, they
Speaker 10: could at least tell my mom what happened to me. Okay,
Speaker 10: And that's that was my way of thinking back then.
Speaker 10: I was like, wet least they could tell my mom
Speaker 10: what happened. I went out, you know, getting attacked by
Speaker 10: a boofoot or whatever. It's fine. And and so I
Speaker 10: started up this hill. And and when you were asking
Speaker 10: about are they physical or they spiritual? Well this is
Speaker 10: that's interesting that you asked that question right off the bat,
Speaker 10: because as I'm walking up this hill, I got about
Speaker 10: halfway up the hill and I heard one of the
Speaker 10: men running up behind me and he was like trucking
Speaker 10: it and I could hear his feet, I could hear
Speaker 10: his breath like it was it was one of those
Speaker 10: guys running up behind me and and I kept thinking.
Speaker 10: I was like, man, that is so unprofessional of these guys,
Speaker 10: Like why would they do that just to me? Like,
Speaker 10: you know, I'm probably scared. You know, I don't know
Speaker 10: what I'm doing. It's very I kept saying to myself,
Speaker 10: that's unprofessional, so unprofessional. And I played sports in college.
Speaker 10: I played rugby, so I was like, I was used
Speaker 10: to getting tackled, okay, And I was kind of bracing
Speaker 10: myself for somebody to run up and say boo, you know,
Speaker 10: or grab me or do something. And I was like, man,
Speaker 10: they think they're slick, but they're not. And and as
Speaker 10: he got up to me, uh, he swept my leg out,
Speaker 10: my legs out from underneath me, like from behind, and
Speaker 10: then kept running behind me, went to my left, and
Speaker 10: I looked over and I lost my balance a little bit.
Speaker 10: I looked over. There was nobody there. There was nobody,
Speaker 10: but I felt it I got tripped up. It was
Speaker 10: a whole experience, but there was nobody there, and and
Speaker 10: I thought, oh my god. You know, I was super confused.
Speaker 10: But then, of course, like your rational brain always jumps in, y'all, okay,
Speaker 10: So I'm like, well, I must have tripped over a log,
Speaker 10: I'm imagining things. I'm nervous. My mind is playing tricks
Speaker 10: on me. Like I was going through all the checklists
Speaker 10: of like, okay, what what could have what just happened.
Speaker 3: That two seconds?
Speaker 10: Mm hmm. Well, because you're your rational brain kicks in,
Speaker 10: like your brains training to make sense. So something that
Speaker 10: makes no sense, well apparently okay. So I looked around.
Speaker 10: There were no logs or no sticks. It was just
Speaker 10: grass and no holes. I didn't step in a hole,
Speaker 10: and I thought, well, I guess I'll just keep walking
Speaker 10: cause didn't want to look like a baby. I had
Speaker 10: all these men watching me, you know. I was like, well,
Speaker 10: I'm just gonna keep walking and uh and so I
Speaker 10: continued to walk up towards a tree line. Well here's
Speaker 10: the thing, y'all. So we had this distress call and
Speaker 10: if I got into distress, I was supposed to put
Speaker 10: my arms up over my head and wave. Well I
Speaker 10: didn't do that. But when I when I got knocked
Speaker 10: kind of you know, I lost my balance from whatever
Speaker 10: hitting me. Uh, my hands kind of went up in
Speaker 10: the air, but like they didn't you know what I mean,
Speaker 10: Like it was kind of like augh. I h I
Speaker 10: realized that I didn't need to have my hands up
Speaker 10: in the air. And luckily, I guess it was good
Speaker 10: because Craig, one of the guys, saw it and he
Speaker 10: came up to check on me to make sure I
Speaker 10: was okay. He was like, well, we didn't know if
Speaker 10: you had done the distress call, so I came to
Speaker 10: check on you anyways, and he and I when he
Speaker 10: got up there, I was like, are you a human
Speaker 10: who's behind me? You know? And he and I walked
Speaker 10: back down. I told him what happened. We walked back
Speaker 10: down to where it happened and we looked. He got
Speaker 10: a splash line out. There was nothing there that I
Speaker 10: tripped over, and we started walking back up to that
Speaker 10: tree line. He was like, have you ever heard of
Speaker 10: a cloaked bigfoot? I was like no, and he started
Speaker 10: explaining to me. He's like, well, you know, we've had
Speaker 10: this scene that's happened where you know, bigfoots are like invisible,
Speaker 10: like we can't see them. He's like, but I don't know.
Speaker 10: I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's a possibility
Speaker 10: that's what happened to you. Maybe a cloak bigfoot came
Speaker 10: out or something. You know that was coming out to
Speaker 10: initiate you into the bigfoot world. I don't know, Oh
Speaker 10: my god. But as I'm up there that tree line
Speaker 10: with him, something kept pulling me over to the right side,
Speaker 10: and so I walked over there kind of by myself.
Speaker 10: As I was talking to him, and the guys down
Speaker 10: at the back, down at the bottom of the hill
Speaker 10: were watching. They said that a big foot leaned its
Speaker 10: head out from behind a tree and was staring at me,
Speaker 10: right in front of my face. Okay, so that happened.
Speaker 10: That was the first night I was there, y'all. And
Speaker 10: so the next night, I mean, I know this, if
Speaker 10: I told you the whole story to take forever. But
Speaker 10: the next night we ended up going back there. The
Speaker 10: next day, my friend JT and I, one of the
Speaker 10: guys on the team, we partnered up. We decided to
Speaker 10: go out there blend into the environment all day from
Speaker 10: three in the afternoon until one in the morning, and
Speaker 10: we were hoping that a big foot would were right
Speaker 10: there with that bigfoot had stuck its head out the
Speaker 10: night before, And that night we ended up having our
Speaker 10: equipment started malfunctioning. His went forward an hour, mine went
Speaker 10: backwards an hour as far as our time set on,
Speaker 10: it was we had a strength. We had lights that
Speaker 10: were like moving in triangular path turns in the sky.
Speaker 10: We had a big orb that was floating back and
Speaker 10: forth in a linear movement across the mountain side, and
Speaker 10: red lights in the in the woods beside us. Like,
Speaker 10: it was just weird, a lot of it.
Speaker 8: I was going to ask you, because I wrote a
Speaker 8: couple of things down already, what you've been talking about,
Speaker 8: and I was going to ask you, Uh, I've been
Speaker 8: hearing that you know, bigfoot is associated with you know
Speaker 8: sometimes some people call them portals, and then also with
Speaker 8: the UFOs or orbs and stuff.
Speaker 11: So obviously you mean you already touched on that, So
Speaker 11: I mean how often or not is that? Uh does
Speaker 11: that happen?
Speaker 8: Because there's actually a there's actually a website for UFO
Speaker 8: tracking and UFO tracking, So maybe what I should start
Speaker 8: doing is looking to see if they have the same
Speaker 8: dates in and reportings for that, because I do do checks
Speaker 8: on UFOs that UFO National Reporting Center. So I just
Speaker 8: want to know how often does that happen? When you
Speaker 8: know it's more you know, UFOs and portals in the area.
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, funny you ask. All right, So one of
Speaker 10: the constants that we have our orbs. We have had
Speaker 10: two experiences with my teammates of Portals in this location.
Speaker 10: This is in North Georgia, and we've even had Okay, honestly,
Speaker 10: I could get into one story. At some point we
Speaker 10: had a fog that was one of the scariest nights
Speaker 10: of my life. Actually, I had a We had a
Speaker 10: fog that was chasing us basically from the top of
Speaker 10: the mountain down and it had a consciousness to it
Speaker 10: which was really weird. Okay, but that's a whole other story. Okay,
Speaker 10: we talk about orbs lots of times. We have flashes
Speaker 10: of light out there, we have orbs. I was out
Speaker 10: there in that same field years later and had a
Speaker 10: couple of friends with me, and me and one of
Speaker 10: the guys like he was facing one way, I was
Speaker 10: facing the other. We were looking over each other's shoulders.
Speaker 10: We both saw orange orbs shoot through the trees on
Speaker 10: either side of where we were standing. And as it
Speaker 10: shot through the tree on my side where I was looking,
Speaker 10: it's a flash of light and then a hoof like
Speaker 10: a huff and a growl together and we immediately checked
Speaker 10: to make sure there wasn't a bear. Okay, but there
Speaker 10: was no bear there. We're constantly seeing orbs, that is
Speaker 10: just I mean, I've had orbs that floated into my
Speaker 10: ten at night. We have them on camera, all different colors,
Speaker 10: all different colors. The ones that are the most prominent
Speaker 10: would be white. I mean, we have them all over
Speaker 10: the place. Like I said, we've had lights in the
Speaker 10: woods as well. A lot of times we kind of
Speaker 10: joked around about how all roads lead back to et
Speaker 10: when we're doing our Bigfoot research. And that's the truth, y'all.
Speaker 10: I actually have another team, which is actually some of
Speaker 10: the same people from this original team. We have a
Speaker 10: location that we have been researching for years. It's called
Speaker 10: them We call it the Meadow, and this is a
Speaker 10: place where we have actually documented on camera an actual
Speaker 10: portal and sent two teammates into this portal not knowing
Speaker 10: that it was like a portal, and they disappeared and okay,
Speaker 10: they came back.
Speaker 5: I have to ask, so you have seen that footage, right.
Speaker 10: That's my team? Yeah, okay, okay, that's where we go.
Speaker 5: Ye we have I'm very familiar with the Meadow project,
Speaker 5: and I guess maybe for the audience that's described as
Speaker 5: basically the skin Walker Ranch of the South, so kind
Speaker 5: of the same similar activity. And from what I understand
Speaker 5: with Trey Hudson, you guys sent some people into basically
Speaker 5: this portal and they came out somewhere else, and some
Speaker 5: crazy things actually happened to the original people who went
Speaker 5: through that portal, and my right, I heard that they
Speaker 5: had some health issues and things like that on that property.
Speaker 5: I would love to hear more about the Meadow project.
Speaker 5: I'm so fascinated with with the work you guys are
Speaker 5: doing there.
Speaker 10: Thank you. Yeah. Well, actually they've both passed away.
Speaker 9: Yeah, wow, Yes.
Speaker 7: Was it because of the was it because of the portal?
Speaker 10: We have our suspicions.
Speaker 9: Yes, did they go somewhere where they couldn't like sustain
Speaker 9: their own life, you know, like that couldn't sustain I
Speaker 9: don't know.
Speaker 1: That's uh.
Speaker 10: Well, well, we take a lot of measurements out in
Speaker 10: the field in one of the constants. Whenever we're having
Speaker 10: paranormal activity or eat cryptid activity, we have radiation spikes,
Speaker 10: and there was a probably a pretty healthy dose of
Speaker 10: radiation out there that night. I can I can get
Speaker 10: into all that. This is the meadow is a really
Speaker 10: strange place, okay, instead another set of undisclosed location okay,
Speaker 10: and somewhere in the South, okay, we do call it
Speaker 10: the Skinwalker branch of the South. I didn't call it that, okay,
Speaker 10: but I think Trey called it that for his book
Speaker 10: or something, because he wrote a book. But we've been
Speaker 10: out there doing research in this area for a while.
Speaker 10: And I mean, i'll tell you before I get into
Speaker 10: the portal thing, one of the crazier things that ever
Speaker 10: happened to me out there was somehow my life has
Speaker 10: been I mean, I've got a crazy life now, okay,
Speaker 10: but uh, but this was before I got into podcasting
Speaker 10: and like being public. I was not public back then
Speaker 10: when this happened. But we were hiking into the meadow
Speaker 10: one night, and uh, and I heard a woman's voice
Speaker 10: shield time travel really loud from like across the creek
Speaker 10: where I was at we were hiking in, and I
Speaker 10: was like, what is that? Well, I haven't tell you, guys,
Speaker 10: like my whole life now, like I talk about time
Speaker 10: travel all the time, timelines, time, timeline shifts, time bubbles, time.
Speaker 10: I'm really I don't know what it is, y'all.
Speaker 9: You had what was called a Twin Peaks moment, definitely
Speaker 9: like out the book that's that's fascinating.
Speaker 10: It gets weird, Oh, it gets weirder. So I hear
Speaker 10: this woman's voice and she goes it sounded exactly like
Speaker 10: what I said, time travel. And I looked at my
Speaker 10: friend Tim. Tim was one of the guys who went
Speaker 10: into the portal who's passed away now was with him
Speaker 10: and his daughter. We had gone in a little bit
Speaker 10: early to hike in with him because he was having
Speaker 10: health This is after the portal incident and he was
Speaker 10: having health problems, and so I went with them to
Speaker 10: go hike in earlies so we could walk slow before
Speaker 10: the team came out. And I looked at I was like,
Speaker 10: did you hear that? He looks at me, he goes
Speaker 10: hear what? I was like, there was a woman's voice,
Speaker 10: she said time travel and he was like, no, I
Speaker 10: didn't hear it. And I was like, okay, whatever, well, y'all.
Speaker 10: It was like two weeks later to two or three
Speaker 10: weeks later. I kept hearing that woman's voice in my
Speaker 10: head over and over again. I was like, what what
Speaker 10: was that? Why did I hear that? And then I
Speaker 10: realized that was my voice. It took me weeks to
Speaker 10: realize that was my voice from across the creek.
Speaker 7: It's like a mimic so like it's got a mimic feature.
Speaker 10: I don't know, or I'm a time traveler.
Speaker 8: Yeah did was there.
Speaker 9: Some rip and time where her voice was able to
Speaker 9: come through?
Speaker 10: That's oh my god, it was imagine weeks later, yeah,
Speaker 10: weeks later. Well, but another thing real quick was that
Speaker 10: remote viewing. So I didn't get into like when we
Speaker 10: got trained in remote viewing after that trip where I
Speaker 10: had the we had the missing time, I had the
Speaker 10: equipment malfunctions, and we had the orbs, we had the
Speaker 10: we had et activity that weekend that first time I
Speaker 10: went big footing. It kind of spawned the head of
Speaker 10: that team to teach us all remote viewing over the
Speaker 10: next ten years, Like we had extensive training and remote viewing, y'all.
Speaker 10: And and so I I love remote viewing. It's my
Speaker 10: favorite hobby, okay, getting help find missing people, soft cold cases,
Speaker 10: look into stuff, psychically, finding blind targets. I have no
Speaker 10: idea what my targets are. I'm giving coordinates. It's a
Speaker 10: fun game for me, Okay, But I do these things
Speaker 10: called deep mind probes, and I do that whenever i'm
Speaker 10: doing a target and like I said, they're blind targets.
Speaker 10: So if I hone in on like a consciousness a person,
Speaker 10: I can ask them questions. And I've helped locate like
Speaker 10: missing bodies and stuff like that before, and it's really wild.
Speaker 10: So I was thinking, like, you know, I've done deep
Speaker 10: thinking on this. I thinking, well, maybe I did a
Speaker 10: deep mind probe on myself that night and said time
Speaker 10: traveled to myself. You know, I don't. I'm just trying
Speaker 10: to come up with some ideas like what that was right?
Speaker 10: But like I said, things get really weird out there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: There's also a Native American spirit legend from uh. I
Speaker 7: think it goes back to the eighteen hundreds, maybe earlier,
Speaker 7: but it's called the Lusa Fileia As it's like a
Speaker 7: real it's like a schef. It's like a slender man
Speaker 7: of the woods, real tall, skinny shadow figure and uh once,
Speaker 7: some of the stories I've heard involve it like peeking
Speaker 7: its head around the tree and it has the face
Speaker 7: of whoever it's looking at, but just a little bit
Speaker 7: more like mangold and all that.
Speaker 9: But that's very interesting that tim actually brings up the
Speaker 9: Native Americans because you said that someone told you that
Speaker 9: it was a bigfoot kind of going through like this.
Speaker 9: I guess you called it an initiation. Apparently in Native
Speaker 9: American lore, it was common for the juvenile little sasquatches
Speaker 9: to have to go in front of humans camouflaged by
Speaker 9: I don't know if they vibrate at some frequency that
Speaker 9: blends them in with nature or what, but they would
Speaker 9: have to do this in order to have this like
Speaker 9: rite of passage or something.
Speaker 10: And you know, that's that's cool, because that's that's where
Speaker 10: I looked at it. It's like it was my initiation,
Speaker 10: and it was that things initi as well, because that
Speaker 10: was the first time I had ever been bigfooting ever,
Speaker 10: and it got me into doing it. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 10: not saying I'm a full time bigfooter now because that
Speaker 10: sounds weird. It's not as a hobby, okay, But I
Speaker 10: wouldn't be here today if I had not had that happen,
Speaker 10: probably with all that stuff. So it was a major initiation.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Metal Project down there coming out with
Speaker 2: a documentary, right.
Speaker 8: Well, I think think they got something like that what
Speaker 8: on YouTube already.
Speaker 10: Well, it was it was it was Tony Merkle. The
Speaker 10: confessionals came out. Him and Joel came out and filmed
Speaker 10: with the team and stuff. So it was more like
Speaker 10: his video kind of, but the team was there. They
Speaker 10: came out to the meadow. Yeah yeah, so uh so
Speaker 10: I do.
Speaker 5: Have a question about the meadow before we get too
Speaker 5: far off, But when your team members went through that portal,
Speaker 5: now you guys are viewing it, I think from like
Speaker 5: some sort of thermal if I remembering it correctly, it
Speaker 5: was caught on a thermal camera them going into this
Speaker 5: portal that you could see their heat signatures when they
Speaker 5: went through the portal and they came out.
Speaker 7: What did they report seeing?
Speaker 5: Was it just like they were here and then they
Speaker 5: were there?
Speaker 7: For them?
Speaker 5: Was at their point of view they walked in one
Speaker 5: area of the field and maybe came out by the
Speaker 5: trees or did they see anything while they were in
Speaker 5: the portal?
Speaker 10: What was that like for them? Well, they didn't know
Speaker 10: what they were doing, They didn't know where they were going.
Speaker 10: They were just being guided over to a patch of
Speaker 10: you know woods. I mean it was actually the meadows open.
Speaker 10: There were no woods right there. There were some trees
Speaker 10: behind the area. But no, they you couldn't see this
Speaker 10: thing with your naked eye. You could only see it
Speaker 10: through a fleer or a thermal imaging device. Okay, you
Speaker 10: couldn't see it, so they did. Okay, if you don't, actually,
Speaker 10: i'd probably should start from the beginning about what happened
Speaker 10: with that and then kind of lead up to like
Speaker 10: what they experienced, because it's pretty interesting. Actually. And so
Speaker 10: the team was out, and I want to get full disclosure.
Speaker 10: I had left right before they went out because I
Speaker 10: had a little child at home. But I'm going to
Speaker 10: get to that part in just a second, because I
Speaker 10: had activity at my home at the same moment they
Speaker 10: were having the portal incident. Okay, So, and I have
Speaker 10: mine on video actually too. So I had been there.
Speaker 10: We had like a full week, full weekend, a bunch
Speaker 10: of days out at the meadow, and this was on
Speaker 10: I think it was on a Saturday night actually, and
Speaker 10: I had gone home early to you know, go take
Speaker 10: care of my son and stuff. And so the team
Speaker 10: had gone out, had hiked out that night. I went home, okay,
Speaker 10: but they hiked out there, and it was a big
Speaker 10: team that broke off. We always break off into little
Speaker 10: teams and we go. We post up in different areas
Speaker 10: around this meadow. It's like about a couple acres maybe
Speaker 10: with some different sections and stuff to it. And so
Speaker 10: there were some small teams and we just go out there,
Speaker 10: and we just observed we're not out there beating trees
Speaker 10: and doing wood knocks and whooping and not out there
Speaker 10: for the bigfoot. Okay, we're past that. Out there. I'm sorry,
Speaker 10: we're out there, you know, having other stuff going on.
Speaker 10: I mean, we've got my you know, my own voice
Speaker 10: yelling at me from across the creek out there and stuff.
Speaker 10: We've got all sorts of a lot of et activity,
Speaker 10: a lot of other stuff, let's just call it other.
Speaker 10: And and so we got through.
Speaker 7: It's just like a phenomenon across the boards.
Speaker 10: Yes, everything, Oh it's okay, No, it's just it's everything.
Speaker 10: So we just go out there just to go see
Speaker 10: what's what's up. You know. We we picked this area
Speaker 10: because there's a lot of local legend and lore out there.
Speaker 10: Legends and lore like ghosts and bigfoots and some what
Speaker 10: a lady called monkey bears stuff. You know, if you've
Speaker 10: got a place that has a lot of local legends
Speaker 10: and lore. There's probably bigfoots out there, there's probably dog man,
Speaker 10: there's probably everything. Okay, so that's where I highly recommend.
Speaker 6: What's it the story that the adjacent prop was having
Speaker 6: these problems, Like it was a road nearby and then
Speaker 6: the director was taking you a look at this road
Speaker 6: and he was just sort of drawn to the meadow
Speaker 6: and it was a it was.
Speaker 10: A local legend and lore. Yeah, right, yes, it was
Speaker 10: some local legend. I think he had had an experience
Speaker 10: with a ghost or something a long time ago and
Speaker 10: out there and uh and so yeah, so we we
Speaker 10: some of the guys did a little scouting trip out there,
Speaker 10: and they had some pretty good success as far as
Speaker 10: the high strange justs went, and so they brought the
Speaker 10: whole team out and we've been going there ever since.
Speaker 10: But okay, so, oh go ahead. Oh.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, I love that you mentioned
Speaker 5: high strangeness because that's something so true, especially with this field,
Speaker 5: as you can go out looking for bigfoot or maybe
Speaker 5: something paranormal and these things do start happening.
Speaker 7: That's something that I love.
Speaker 5: To explore the theory of how these supernatural things are
Speaker 5: kind of overlapping and these worlds kind of blends. You
Speaker 5: have to you know, be in to it all really
Speaker 5: because it's happening. I have a question with your remote viewing.
Speaker 7: You said that you.
Speaker 5: Are using it in your field research and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: How have you used that to assist you with your
Speaker 5: bigfoot or cryptid you know, field research, Like what are
Speaker 5: some of the techniques you're using with that? And then
Speaker 5: are you still actively taking cases as they come from,
Speaker 5: Like do people police departments reach out to you or
Speaker 5: do you maybe see something on the news and go
Speaker 5: I can help with that or kind of how does
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear more about that.
Speaker 12: I'm so curious.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, well I get reached out to quite a
Speaker 10: bit because now that I've talked about it publicly and
Speaker 10: I've had I've been tasked with with these blind targets
Speaker 10: of cases of people that have gone missing, like Mara
Speaker 10: Murray is one of them, I think, and she's a
Speaker 10: young lady. I think she's up in Connecticut that went missing,
Speaker 10: and I had gotten a lot of data. You know,
Speaker 10: people like that like their families will you know somehow
Speaker 10: they get you know, these videos of me discussing some
Speaker 10: of the data with whoever I'm doing shows with and
Speaker 10: people reach out to me with more information and asking
Speaker 10: to look into it more sometimes. But you know, my
Speaker 10: team works. This is all kind of private stuff, so
Speaker 10: like I don't really talk about it very often, but
Speaker 10: law enforcement has reached out to my We're basically a
Speaker 10: remote viewing team. I can't talk tonight a remote viewing team.
Speaker 10: We're a big foot field research team, but we're remote
Speaker 10: viewers as well, and local law enforcement does reach out
Speaker 10: to us sometimes for cold cases. I was reached out
Speaker 10: to by the Nancy Gray Show to do to work
Speaker 10: on a cold case and did a did a big
Speaker 10: old target for them and all my data. They were like,
Speaker 10: they argued with me about it. They're like, no, there's
Speaker 10: no way it could have been his friend. And I
Speaker 10: was like, well, my remote viewing data says it was
Speaker 10: his friend that did this, and there was a fight,
Speaker 10: and like I went through the whole scenario and they
Speaker 10: argued with me about it and shout out to their team.
Speaker 10: By the way, it wasn't Nancy, it was her partner
Speaker 10: that was on that show. And turns out out all
Speaker 10: my data was right. They ended up finding the guy's
Speaker 10: body where I said and everything, so but anyways, people
Speaker 10: do reach out to me about it, and yeah, it's
Speaker 10: that kind of a thing. We use it as far
Speaker 10: as like finding locations. I also like to do people
Speaker 10: reach out to me with targets. These are just friends.
Speaker 12: I don't just do.
Speaker 10: Targets for anybody all. It takes a lot out of me. Okay,
Speaker 10: but other remote viewing friends of mine, like they'll send
Speaker 10: me targets. They'll be like treasure hunting in Mexico, like
Speaker 10: where's where's the buried gold? You know, and stuff like that.
Speaker 10: And we have had some success with that, by the way.
Speaker 10: But but yeah, it's we use it as far as
Speaker 10: like getting coordinate. We can get like the coordinates of
Speaker 10: the location and I can remote view the property and
Speaker 10: we can see what kind of activity is going on there,
Speaker 10: cryptids and all that.
Speaker 5: Is it true like places like the Pyramids or some
Speaker 5: of these other you know, microlithic structures. I've heard that
Speaker 5: other remote viewers aren't able to penetrate it. Are there
Speaker 5: some places that you've maybe you got a target or
Speaker 5: something and you try to remote view it and for
Speaker 5: whatever reason, there was some sort of psychic block.
Speaker 10: Uh No, not for me. I Like I said, I've
Speaker 10: been training this for a long time. I have I
Speaker 10: have gotten Listen, there's certain things that we're trained, like
Speaker 10: you don't remote view and uh. And I got really
Speaker 10: comfortable remote viewing and talking about it publicly and that
Speaker 10: was a mistake. And I did get a proverbial knock
Speaker 10: at my door. And and I gotta tell you the
Speaker 10: one target. It's not Bigfoot, it's not dog Man. It
Speaker 10: was the moon. Okay, So so I learned my lesson
Speaker 10: with that one was the moon landing.
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's what the laura is within the remote
Speaker 6: viewing community. They don't go to the moon. There's a
Speaker 6: couple of us. Yeah, Neptune as well, don't go there.
Speaker 3: Whoa.
Speaker 10: I've remote viewed all of it though, And uh, it's
Speaker 10: I think I think the thing about it is like
Speaker 10: not talking publicly about it more so. I don't know,
Speaker 10: maybe that's just me or maybe Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 10: I have no fear, and it's gonna get me. It
Speaker 10: gets me in trouble sometimes.
Speaker 1: So you run into other worldly entities.
Speaker 10: Like I do. Well, I'm trained also to like not
Speaker 10: engage with lower vibrational entities. Yeah, so I don't engage
Speaker 10: with them, but I do. I do come across them.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I was bringing a CIA document one time for
Speaker 7: something I was working on and they were talking about
Speaker 7: it was some of the big names in the remote
Speaker 7: viewing field and they were remote viewing. I think it
Speaker 7: was Jupiter, and I don't think the way it sound
Speaker 7: is like they didn't just go straight to Jupiter. It's
Speaker 7: like they kind of travel through space to get to Jupiter,
Speaker 7: because they talked about seeing spaceships hiding now in the
Speaker 7: asteroid belt along the way. I would you know, So
Speaker 7: is that what we're talking about? Like are you are
Speaker 7: you seeing a target and actually like seeing other forms
Speaker 7: of life?
Speaker 10: Yes, I have been. I have a whole playlist over
Speaker 10: on my YouTube channel, the Cryptic Hunters channel, And I
Speaker 10: do a lot of work with my friend Barry Littleton.
Speaker 10: He gives me He's a wonderful researcher but very much
Speaker 10: an ET contact e and all that does phenomenal research.
Speaker 10: But he has oftentimes given me these blind targets where
Speaker 10: I'm just given a set of coordinates, and one of
Speaker 10: them was the Trappest one Star system. There's a group
Speaker 10: of dwarf planets. Brown dwarf planets like Mate make or
Speaker 10: something and Hymeia and I can't remember their names, but
Speaker 10: all these different oh the Lights on series as well,
Speaker 10: Like there's lights on some of these planets. And I
Speaker 10: do a lot of work with actual I want to
Speaker 10: say victims, but people who have been part of the
Speaker 10: secret space programs as well, and they have all this
Speaker 10: testimony and people are like, well, you know, there's no
Speaker 10: way to verify this testimony. Well, it's crazy because I'm
Speaker 10: getting all these targets of all these off planet targets
Speaker 10: of these planets, and I am seeing Earth. I'm thinking
Speaker 10: I'm remote viewing Earth because there's humans, apartment buildings, there
Speaker 10: are shopping centers, their highways, their cars. A lot of
Speaker 10: these times, I'm like when I'm asked after the my sessions,
Speaker 10: they're like, he's like, well, what did you see? Him? Like, well,
Speaker 10: it looks like Earth in the future, but there's slavery involved.
Speaker 10: There's a bunch of slavery and stuff, and so it's
Speaker 10: just telling me, it's showing me, and it's backing up
Speaker 10: a lot of the testimony from some of these people
Speaker 10: that it claimed to be in some of these twenty
Speaker 10: and back programs with a secret space program and stuff.
Speaker 10: So I've been doing a lot of work with those people.
Speaker 7: Actually, that's what mcmonagle was talking about podcasts. I heard
Speaker 7: him on his He thought he was remote viewing Earth,
Speaker 7: but it turned out it was Mars and he was
Speaker 7: looking at human like entities, except they were like bigger
Speaker 7: or like us but bigger. Yeah, and they were like
Speaker 7: in some sort of a sleep, like like a chyrogenic
Speaker 7: sleep or something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, giants here. We have giants like that here
Speaker 10: too on Earth remote some of that in stasis they
Speaker 10: are ye.
Speaker 6: Would models did it? He was kind of tricked into
Speaker 6: it by the Monroe Institute because that wasn't normally his handler,
Speaker 6: and they gave him the targets handlers, right, Well, you
Speaker 6: know you got that person helping the remote viewer that
Speaker 6: that's the targets.
Speaker 10: And we like to call them taskers. Handler sounds so
Speaker 10: aw mk ult, that's all good.
Speaker 7: Hand Want to know about the Moon now?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, don't have to go.
Speaker 11: There, but.
Speaker 7: Like intrigued by that?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I can also tell you that I've I've
Speaker 10: been given targets like weapon Earth's weaponized natural portals. Okay,
Speaker 10: so when I was when I say that I've done
Speaker 10: some weird targets and stuff. I mean, but they are
Speaker 10: so wild, y'all. And uh and when I did, when
Speaker 10: I was given that target, I got into the session
Speaker 10: and I do It's called coordinate remote viewing. I'm trained
Speaker 10: in several different modes of remote viewing. The one that
Speaker 10: I use the most is coordinate remote viewing, so that
Speaker 10: I can have some data like written out on paper
Speaker 10: so you can see my thought process or the you know,
Speaker 10: the how the information's flowing out and stuff, you know,
Speaker 10: and all my sensory data and everything. But but I
Speaker 10: was tasked with this target of Earth's weaponized natural portals,
Speaker 10: and I was I started off that target in the
Speaker 10: sun like a portal in the sun, which actually would
Speaker 10: kind of back up the theory that the Sun is
Speaker 10: a portal and it's connected to Earth somehow. Okay, So
Speaker 10: I don't know, it's really odd.
Speaker 7: That's in a Pearl Jam song too, is it just?
Speaker 9: It's also a Sleep song. There's this band called Sleep
Speaker 9: called End to the Sun.
Speaker 7: The guy from Pearl Jam talks about there. He's like,
Speaker 7: there's a window in the sun. It's in one of
Speaker 7: the songs. And I always thought he was talking about
Speaker 7: a portal. That's cool though, Like are you when you say.
Speaker 11: That black spot?
Speaker 8: You know that little black spot that they always talked about,
Speaker 8: that little weak spot that's on there. They always have
Speaker 8: something that's closed by there, pulling some plasma or something
Speaker 8: away from it.
Speaker 9: M it's like the same thing on that thing, the portal,
Speaker 9: you know, the little there's a cube makes a gram
Speaker 9: on Saturn.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 10: That is something else that I've been tasked with as
Speaker 10: a target is the black cube that's tethered to the sun.
Speaker 10: It's like right there by the sun. It's like this
Speaker 10: gigantic my remov you and data. So it was just
Speaker 10: like a big massive AI, like ancient like AI and
Speaker 10: this big cube is. It was actually very doom and
Speaker 10: gloom kind of stuff.
Speaker 9: Very imagine yeah, very Saturn.
Speaker 3: Oh man.
Speaker 2: So with all the stuff that you've done, h like,
Speaker 2: are there cryptids or cases that are like still on
Speaker 2: your bucket list? You know, like or have you done
Speaker 2: it all?
Speaker 10: I've pretty much done it all, but I mean there's
Speaker 10: all always something. There's always new cryptis and creatures and stuff.
Speaker 10: I Mean, lately my big thing has been getting out
Speaker 10: and doing like dog man investigations and getting out and
Speaker 10: hiking five six miles into the woods the national forest
Speaker 10: or the woods not national it's private land too. To
Speaker 10: do you know where people had been accosted or charged
Speaker 10: up by dogmen and stuff like that. So I do.
Speaker 10: I do that kind of stuff too. So hey, Harley,
Speaker 10: what's up, Harley? I was just out with Harley not
Speaker 10: too long ago up in East Tennessee. Operation it was, Yes,
Speaker 10: that was the operation that time. Yes, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 10: went up there. We're always I'm I'm always out there.
Speaker 10: I'm always down for some woods time for sure. But uh,
Speaker 10: you know, about a year a year or so ago,
Speaker 10: we did like a skin walker investigation, which was really cool.
Speaker 7: I've got a big question. Sorry, this is one, or
Speaker 7: it might not be a big one for you. This
Speaker 7: might be like a walk through the park. But uh
Speaker 7: so you've you've done a lot right, and you've bumped
Speaker 7: up against a lot of very strange things while doing
Speaker 7: your personal investigations. Are you able to take some of
Speaker 7: that stuff, all that all that unknown and put it
Speaker 7: into like a pile of data where you like go
Speaker 7: and think about what this actually is? Like? Is this
Speaker 7: like what John Kill talked about, Like it's the phenomenon,
Speaker 7: just like chooses to become, it chooses how it manifests itself.
Speaker 7: Like sometimes it's Bigfoot, sometimes it's Ufo, sometimes it's Poltergeist.
Speaker 7: What do you think from your data that you what
Speaker 7: do you think is going on?
Speaker 10: Well, I have to tell you. As long as I've
Speaker 10: been doing this stuff, I can promise you I don't
Speaker 10: know anything. Okay, I literally don't know anything. Just when
Speaker 10: I think I've got it figured out, something else happens
Speaker 10: and it all goes out the window. Okay. So I honestly,
Speaker 10: I think the most wise thing that anyone who's been
Speaker 10: in this long enough can tell anyone publicly is I
Speaker 10: don't know nothing, okay about it? Now, I will say
Speaker 10: that I do believe that a lot of these cryptids
Speaker 10: are solid mass, flesh and bone. Absolutely. But can they
Speaker 10: access Earth's natural portals? Absolutely? Okay? Can they change their frequency?
Speaker 10: We're all on different frequencies. I don't know if you
Speaker 10: guys are familiar with, like you know, their vibrational for
Speaker 10: I know y'all know about the vibrational frequency, but like
Speaker 10: getting on a high vibe or like low vibe. You know,
Speaker 10: there have been times in my life where I've actually,
Speaker 10: uh oh, I never finished my story y'all about the meadow.
Speaker 10: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Well we kept interrupting.
Speaker 10: Well, well we were getting into like the whole and
Speaker 10: this is going to pertain to what I was about
Speaker 10: to say. Okay, so let me finish the portal incident
Speaker 10: at the meadow real quick, and then I'm gonna circle back,
Speaker 10: because as the guys went were sent okay, some of
Speaker 10: the guys, David Pardue was noticing that there was a
Speaker 10: cube that showed up in the middle of the meadow
Speaker 10: and he thought he was seeing things. It was like
Speaker 10: a house, like the size of a shed in your backyard.
Speaker 10: Something had like windows on it. It was just this
Speaker 10: cube and he could only see it through his fleaar
Speaker 10: and so he handed off his fleer to my friend Terry.
Speaker 10: Terry looked, He's like, yeah, that's weird. And so they
Speaker 10: called over to the guys across the field and they said, hey,
Speaker 10: y'all go check this out. Got on there. You know,
Speaker 10: we got our hand radios out there. Called him over.
Speaker 10: They were guided over to where this cube was. Kristin
Speaker 10: pulled out her flear and she started her thermal. She
Speaker 10: started recording. She had the record button on, and so
Speaker 10: you can see. So the video that they have to
Speaker 10: this day is the guys walking over, being guided over
Speaker 10: by radio over to this cube, and as they walked
Speaker 10: up to it, their heat signatures disappeared. Now, they did
Speaker 10: describe going in this thing. They didn't know they were
Speaker 10: in anything. They just standing in the field, okay, But
Speaker 10: on camera they disappeared, and they said that they noticed
Speaker 10: that the vegetation changed on the ground from brushy and
Speaker 10: like hard to walk through briers and stuff to smooth,
Speaker 10: smooth ground. The stars disappeared, and they said the temperature
Speaker 10: slightly changed a little bit. Then I said, I got
Speaker 10: a little bit cold. And they realized there was something
Speaker 10: wrong because they're both trained in remote viewing. This is
Speaker 10: Bob and Tim. Both of them are were tired military
Speaker 10: special Forces search and rescue guys and trained in remote
Speaker 10: viewing and longtime woodsmen, okay, survivalists. They knew there was
Speaker 10: something off, so they backed out of They didn't know
Speaker 10: they were in anything, but they kind of backed out
Speaker 10: and they reappeared, and as they reappeared, this cube shrunk
Speaker 10: down and it floated away. And so it's just it's
Speaker 10: all really weird, right, well, as they're having this incident
Speaker 10: out in the meadow. I'm at home. My son is
Speaker 10: really happy to see me because I've been gone out
Speaker 10: in the field. You staying with my with his grandma.
Speaker 10: And I was married at the time, and his dad,
Speaker 10: my husband at the time, was filming my son. He
Speaker 10: had a camera phone out and my son was on
Speaker 10: the elliptical machine and he was like having fun, and
Speaker 10: so his dad was like filming him on his camera phone,
Speaker 10: video phone, whatever you call it. And so my son
Speaker 10: is like, you know, yelling and just real happy. And
Speaker 10: then I hear his dad say, hey, you need to
Speaker 10: come see this. You're gonna like what, You're gonna like,
Speaker 10: what this? What's in here or something. So I walked
Speaker 10: in from the kitchen and I'm watching these balls of
Speaker 10: light floating around my son. And I got to tell you,
Speaker 10: it's the same time the portal incidents having. There's two
Speaker 10: orbs in my living room and they're floating and my
Speaker 10: son and my son's like mom ball, ball, mom ball,
Speaker 10: and he's pointing at them, and he's chasing them with
Speaker 10: his finger. So you can see that he's clearly seeing
Speaker 10: them because he's following them with his finger and I'm
Speaker 10: seeing them. I'm trying. You can hear me in the
Speaker 10: video say, well, what are those moths or those bugs?
Speaker 10: And because I was having a hard time figuring out
Speaker 10: what I was looking at, well, his dad could not
Speaker 10: see them with his eyes. He could only see them
Speaker 10: through the screen on his phone. So he's videoing them.
Speaker 10: Can't see them with his eyes, but he can see
Speaker 10: them on his phone. And so eventually one of those
Speaker 10: orbs shoots into his phone and powers the phone off. Okay,
Speaker 10: well that showed me that not everybody sees what I see. Okay,
Speaker 10: it might be picked up on camera or whatever. But see,
Speaker 10: we're all on these different vibrational frequencies, and sometimes I'm
Speaker 10: going to see things that y'all aren't gonna see. You know,
Speaker 10: y'all are gonna see things that I can't see. It
Speaker 10: just depends on if you're on that same like it's
Speaker 10: like a radio frequency. If we're on the same frequency
Speaker 10: with some of these cryptids out there, we're gonna have
Speaker 10: an encounter. If you're not, you won't. And even that
Speaker 10: even pertains to you know. I mean, I've had ET's
Speaker 10: in my bedroom since all this happened and stuff, and
Speaker 10: I saw ET's in my room. Well, when I was
Speaker 10: a kid, I was seeing ghosts like humans, solid humans,
Speaker 10: and I'm thinking like, well, that was that projected into
Speaker 10: my mind and they were actually aliens the whole time.
Speaker 10: You know, I don't know. It's just all a matter
Speaker 10: of frequency and perception and and that that's all that is,
Speaker 10: I guess, but not not everybody is going to have
Speaker 10: the same experience as someone who's standing right beside you, Okay.
Speaker 10: So that's why I'm always telling people like, you know,
Speaker 10: we I have a lot of success. I guess you
Speaker 10: could call it out in the field anytime I go.
Speaker 10: My my teammates used to always be like, oh, come
Speaker 10: with us, you know, Jessica brings the craziness, the high strangeness. Well,
Speaker 10: I I generally have a pretty high vibe, okay. And
Speaker 10: and I go out with an open heart, no fear, okay.
Speaker 10: And and I think that opens me and everyone else
Speaker 10: up to having more experiences out in the woods with
Speaker 10: things that aren't supposed to exist, okay. And that's why
Speaker 10: I encourage everyone to have a high vibe, you know,
Speaker 10: do your inner work, heal your traumas and all that
Speaker 10: kind of stuff. Be trying to be as high vibe
Speaker 10: as you can. I know it's hard these days, but
Speaker 10: if you're out there doing cryptid field research, it's important
Speaker 10: that you go out there with that kind.
Speaker 9: Of an antitude and you saying, you know, no fear.
Speaker 9: That's a huge aspect of it as well, because when
Speaker 9: you fear these things, I think that's what they feed
Speaker 9: off of as far as energy wise, you know, oh yeah,
Speaker 9: and it could also make them manifest as even more terrifying.
Speaker 9: I think perception is reality. That Trouble is a good guy.
Speaker 8: I wanted to go back to you when you was
Speaker 8: talking earlier, when we first started. He was talking about,
Speaker 8: you know, the different people who had come in content
Speaker 8: with book. But I had wrote an article about a
Speaker 8: year and a half two years ago called inky Do
Speaker 8: the wild Man. He's supposed to come from the epic
Speaker 8: of Gilga mass I'm pretty sure you heard about him.
Speaker 8: The amount of research that I've done, I've I kind
Speaker 8: of feel like that's considered the first description of a bigfoot,
Speaker 8: and that's just my opinion. I'm only because of the
Speaker 8: way they depict you know, Inky Do and talk about
Speaker 8: how inky Do lived among the animals and he was
Speaker 8: just enough human but just enough animal like to be
Speaker 8: considered a wild man that was depicted like probably like
Speaker 8: an animal slash human type thing. But my question is
Speaker 8: like when it comes to these, uh to the cryptids,
Speaker 8: it always seems like they always have some kind of
Speaker 8: correlation with some ancient myth and it's not as what
Speaker 8: we would be able to describe today. It would be
Speaker 8: more like to tell phone game. You know, I tell
Speaker 8: somebody thinking that somebody tell somebody something. By the time
Speaker 8: it gets to the tenth person, it's a whole total
Speaker 8: different story with a foundation that may be true, but
Speaker 8: the overall story is not accurate or you know, close to.
Speaker 11: It or whatnot.
Speaker 8: And you know, it's amazing because you have a lot
Speaker 8: of correlations with you know, UFOs and UAPs and all
Speaker 8: this other stuff. You know, there's always you have to
Speaker 8: you know, you got Native Americans who talk about portals
Speaker 8: and stargates and stuff like that. You know, we can't
Speaker 8: dismiss what people are explaining to us. I mean, we
Speaker 8: may not fully understand how it's used, or how it
Speaker 8: comes about or when it, you know, comes to, but
Speaker 8: we do know that since the beginning of Man, man
Speaker 8: has been trying to track the stars to understand what
Speaker 8: is going on here on earth, right, like from agricultural
Speaker 8: needs to you know, practicing meditation where you can control
Speaker 8: your dreams and lucid dreaming or astro projection. And if
Speaker 8: these portals are there and they are able to help
Speaker 8: people cross over easier, that that's a good thing. But
Speaker 8: I think we went away from that because we found
Speaker 8: psychedelics that also helped with that, and that ows up
Speaker 8: opens up a whole nother realm, right, if you agree?
Speaker 10: Are you asking me about psychedelics? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like, do you agree?
Speaker 8: Like that opens up like a whole new thing to
Speaker 8: the to the stargates, in the in the.
Speaker 10: Maybe, I mean I guess it could. Sure. I mean
Speaker 10: it's all consciousness, right, So yeah, I mean that's that's
Speaker 10: a big thing that we work on with, you know.
Speaker 10: I Mean, I've been trained in a lot of mind control,
Speaker 10: and that's not controlling y'all's minds but mine, okay, And
Speaker 10: I think that's a huge part of also being in
Speaker 10: a very effective cryptid field researcher is to have your
Speaker 10: head straight, okay, and to be able to be calm
Speaker 10: and really messed up situations okay when everybody else's else
Speaker 10: all around you. You gotta be zen okay, and uh and
Speaker 10: so yeah, it's all it's I mean, I'm I don't
Speaker 10: have a lot of experience with that personally, Okay, so
Speaker 10: but I do know.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, Jessy ahead, I was gonna ask if you
Speaker 9: ever tried to remote view, uh, the the myceellium, I.
Speaker 10: I okay, Well, well it depends because I have had
Speaker 10: targets where we've looked into spacecrafts that were actually made
Speaker 10: of my celium. Okay, so yes, living craft. Yeah, it's
Speaker 10: a big thing. Actually, if you go over to my
Speaker 10: buddy very little since channel man, he's he's got a
Speaker 10: lot of information on that over on his channel. But yeah,
Speaker 10: I I have not remote view other than that though,
Speaker 10: as far as I believe that the my celium goes. Yeah,
Speaker 10: but I want to.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, fungus sports can survive in space,
Speaker 6: and they have a white spot and a black spots,
Speaker 6: so when they're hit by light, they start to rotate
Speaker 6: and start to move. So yeah, it makes a lot
Speaker 6: of sense of fungus and like living spacecraft exists.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I mean I was up in speaking, Well,
Speaker 10: there's a whole lot of you were seeing a whole
Speaker 10: lot of different really good points. I wanted to address
Speaker 10: all of them, but I don't remember all of them
Speaker 10: right now, but I can, okay. So one of the
Speaker 10: things was we talk about like the living craft, Well,
Speaker 10: what are they talking about now, like out with the
Speaker 10: disclosures talking about psionics? Right, And they've got like remote
Speaker 10: viewers like myself that are out there, like I mean,
Speaker 10: they can control spacecraft with their minds, right, and things
Speaker 10: to that nature. Well, when I was I was probably
Speaker 10: probably about thirteen years ago or more, I was up
Speaker 10: in North Carolina with my friend Chief David, up in
Speaker 10: near Cherokee, and he took us up to this mountaintop
Speaker 10: near Cashers, North Carolina. And I don't know if you
Speaker 10: guys are familiar with the sky ships over Cashers, these
Speaker 10: UFOs that are have been seen there for decades, right,
Speaker 10: And and we went camping at the top of this mountain.
Speaker 10: Not only did we have like s walker activity, we
Speaker 10: had bigfoot activity.
Speaker 3: I was having.
Speaker 10: There's all sorts of weird stuff going on up there.
Speaker 10: But he said, do you guys want me to call
Speaker 10: in the sky ships? You know, he'd just taken us
Speaker 10: to Judicola rock if you'all know about Judicola and a
Speaker 10: big petroglyph rock in the middle of a pasture basically
Speaker 10: tells the story of creation and look from the stars
Speaker 10: and stuff. He said that he's from the stars. I
Speaker 10: believe there's a connection to the Palladians actually, But he
Speaker 10: he said, would you like for me to call in
Speaker 10: the sky ships? And I was like, hey, yeah, And
Speaker 10: he pulled out his staff that had like a crystal
Speaker 10: on it and he started chanting. I don't know what
Speaker 10: he was doing, but sure enough, we had four sky
Speaker 10: ships that came and hovered over us all night when
Speaker 10: he did that. So there is some sort of and
Speaker 10: I'm not saying those sky ships were made out of
Speaker 10: my celium and stuff, but they were. It's almost like
Speaker 10: they were living craft. Okay, And and I do think
Speaker 10: that they they're out there. They're definitely out there, but.
Speaker 1: Also organic craft. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 10: Think the organ craft would be my sheelium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5: It's like the movie Nope, have you guys seen that.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's a great movie.
Speaker 5: Actually, I have no You have got to add that
Speaker 5: to your list. Yeah, basically it's Kiki Palmer.
Speaker 8: I love her.
Speaker 5: Her and the guy from Get Out There like living
Speaker 5: in this old kind of farmhouse in the desert and
Speaker 5: they're having this strange stuff I think happened. It's like
Speaker 5: raining coins and stuff is happening to their their cattles.
Speaker 5: And basically, not to spoil the movie, but it's an
Speaker 5: organic UFO craft and it really explores the idea of
Speaker 5: UFO's being more of an intelligent, organic like actual being
Speaker 5: rather than maybe a mode of transportation.
Speaker 9: This thing isn't nice though, it's it's it's very.
Speaker 5: Hungry and it isn't nice.
Speaker 2: The guys from the Corn do a very good job
Speaker 2: of talking about stuff like that too, like they have
Speaker 2: a whole book actually on it. So it's wild.
Speaker 10: I've had on my show several times we talked about Yeah.
Speaker 7: Dude, phil A Dare, I think his name Philip the
Speaker 7: Dare maybe one of these guys from back in the
Speaker 7: day day. I think he was on Coast to Coast
Speaker 7: quite a bit. But he said that he saw a
Speaker 7: craft in a government warehouse type situation and it was
Speaker 7: a living craft they had integrated by biological material into
Speaker 7: the craft itself, or it was just a lie. It
Speaker 7: was it was like it was like a version of
Speaker 7: like mechanics and biologics. I'm sorry, David Dare, that's a
Speaker 7: crazy case.
Speaker 1: I think I remember that episode that.
Speaker 7: You could remote you.
Speaker 10: Well, you guys have heard of like motherships, right, motherships
Speaker 10: and working with all the secret Space program people and
Speaker 10: a lot of people knew FO communities. Uh they talk
Speaker 10: about these motherships, right, and uh and they say that,
Speaker 10: you know, I talk a lot about cloning and uh,
Speaker 10: soul transfers, consciousness transfers and things like that. I know
Speaker 10: that's kind of a huge rabbit hole to go down,
Speaker 10: but you know, I even I kind of make light
Speaker 10: of it by talking about like all these celebrities clones.
Speaker 9: It's very popular right now, transhumanism stuff.
Speaker 10: Yeah, unfortunately it is. Yes, Unfortunately I'm team human all
Speaker 10: the way.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we all should be. But but yeah they're okay.
Speaker 10: So we're talking about like consciousness transfers, right, because we're
Speaker 10: trying to figure out, like, well, how do they transfer
Speaker 10: consciousness from like like say, somebody they made a clone
Speaker 10: of all of us, like each of us had a clone.
Speaker 10: How are they going to put our consciousness in that clone?
Speaker 10: It's weird, right, there's technology. It's like alien technology that's
Speaker 10: able to do that, and they've been doing it for
Speaker 10: probably centuries, probably for millions of beers for all you know.
Speaker 8: But that talking that shows that transcendence by John. That's
Speaker 8: a really good movie if you want to know how
Speaker 8: they're trying to transfer. Uh, yes, that is a great movie.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, Well they talk about these motherships, right, and
Speaker 10: what I've been told is they actually have and they
Speaker 10: usually have women, Okay, like women's consciousness. I don't know
Speaker 10: if this is part of the super Soldier program or what,
Speaker 10: but they take women, they transfer their consciousness to these ships. Okay,
Speaker 10: and like the consciousness because it's like an actual human
Speaker 10: consciousness that's transferred into those ships. Okay. So I don't know,
Speaker 10: it's a rabbit hole. You guys want to do some
Speaker 10: research on that. I don't know how it works.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Also, something else I wanted to address that you had
Speaker 10: mentioned about the you know, things getting kind of skewed,
Speaker 10: Like as far as the cryptids go, if they've been
Speaker 10: around for a long time and I go to the maps,
Speaker 10: like the old world maps, okay, like the Periorice map,
Speaker 10: things like that, you can find a lot of cryptids
Speaker 10: on these maps. Like I just did a show on Blimmy's.
Speaker 10: I love Blimmy's. Okay, headless tribes of headless people, headless men,
Speaker 10: warring tribes of headless people their chests, yes, yes, also
Speaker 10: we got those. We have dog headed men. We have Well,
Speaker 10: there's these things called I call them monopods or like
Speaker 10: humans that are just like have like their bodies are
Speaker 10: like mermaids, but they're they're a big foot at the bottom.
Speaker 10: I know it's weird, but you can find these things
Speaker 10: on these maps. Uh, even dragons, okay, dragons.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 8: Christopher Columbus used to talk about him in his journals.
Speaker 8: He actually has in his journals if I haven't marked
Speaker 8: in there where he talked about certain He said that
Speaker 8: they killed a an ape like human, but they had
Speaker 8: to cut the paws off.
Speaker 11: They said they actually eat. They actually put the words
Speaker 11: paws in there.
Speaker 9: And some people could look at that is like, oh,
Speaker 9: it's esoteric because like these guys had dog heads. That
Speaker 9: means that they were stoic, right, That means that they
Speaker 9: were because dog symbolism or wolf symbolism goes back into
Speaker 9: representing like loyalty, and you know, a man's best friend
Speaker 9: right that archetype and so, but I think they're dog
Speaker 9: headed men.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want me.
Speaker 10: To want it's literal, I think it's literal because we've
Speaker 10: I have been face to face with something that was
Speaker 10: probably I'm not going to say it was definitely dog man,
Speaker 10: but I think it was a dog man because and
Speaker 10: it's not because of me. I'm still confused as to
Speaker 10: what I was looking at. Leaving the Alabama forest late,
Speaker 10: late late, when night was like twelve thirty one o'clock
Speaker 10: in the morning, I was by myself, and I was
Speaker 10: in an area where a hunter had been found dead
Speaker 10: with his arm ripped off in his leg pulled up
Speaker 10: behind the back of his body, with his foot up
Speaker 10: here behind his head. And the property where I was
Speaker 10: passing where I saw these two creatures which looked like
Speaker 10: a mix between African dogs, bear and cougar. That's how
Speaker 10: I I can the only way I can describe it,
Speaker 10: crouched down in the grass looking at it. It was weird.
Speaker 10: But the man who lives on that of property right
Speaker 10: there has had a couple of dog men that he'd
Speaker 10: been seeing out there, so I'm assuming I saw dog
Speaker 10: men when I was leaving late that night. But but
Speaker 10: I I have too many reports, y'all. I have chased
Speaker 10: too many things. I've seen too many things in my
Speaker 10: own eyes that aren't supposed to exist. There's no way,
Speaker 10: I mean, I believe Now, Are they are dog men here? Yes?
Speaker 10: Do I believe dogmen?
Speaker 8: Is this?
Speaker 10: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Been to Mississippi.
Speaker 10: I have been to Mississippi.
Speaker 1: That's where I live. There's a tailor dog man up
Speaker 1: by Oxford. Have you ever heard of that.
Speaker 10: Yes, I've heard a lot about the tailor Mississippi dog Men.
Speaker 10: Actually I have. There's there's some stories. Yeah, well I've
Speaker 10: heard some stories that are maybe fictitional, but they're based
Speaker 10: on true stories. Okay, I've heard that before. So yeah,
Speaker 10: we have dog men all over the place. We have
Speaker 10: more dog man sidings. We have were wolves. We actually
Speaker 10: I've done a several different shows where we've talked about
Speaker 10: all the were We're called them were wolves, but I
Speaker 10: think they're dog men. The county that I just moved from,
Speaker 10: the county I grew up in, they're known for their
Speaker 10: were wolves. They're they're they're North Northern High School in
Speaker 10: the north part of county are called the the Wolves,
Speaker 10: the wolf Pack, okay, but but for decades there have
Speaker 10: been wolf wolfs, wolf man, I guess I call them
Speaker 10: wolf man. Uh, dog men, yeah, dog men and uh
Speaker 10: wolfman's hidings. Uh. There's actually just north of where I
Speaker 10: live now, up in Rome, Georgia, there was an attack
Speaker 10: on a family, entire family recently in the past few
Speaker 10: years of a whole family that got attacked by a
Speaker 10: were wolf. Up there is like a nine foot tall
Speaker 10: were wolf and and that is a very well known case.
Speaker 10: Actually at of North Georgia, Dalton, Georgia, Rome, Floyd County,
Speaker 10: lots of lots of dog man and werewolf sightings up there,
Speaker 10: and Paulding as well. That's where those where the were
Speaker 10: wolves are up there. I've done I've done shows on
Speaker 10: all of them. By the way, they're all on my CHND.
Speaker 10: They also see them well.
Speaker 5: And when Tigrone talks about how a lot of these
Speaker 5: cryptids do have these ancient backgrounds. When you look into dogmen,
Speaker 5: that goes all the way back to Egypt with you know,
Speaker 5: the Egyptian gods Anebus and you know, being the one
Speaker 5: who transfers you to the dead. And when you talk
Speaker 5: about were wolves and dog man, I think it's interesting
Speaker 5: because with were wolves, from what I understand is they
Speaker 5: transform back into that human being, but dog men kind
Speaker 5: of stay in that hybrid state. So there does seem
Speaker 5: to be some variances there, just like we see with bigfoot.
Speaker 5: You know, here in Florida we have the skunk Gate
Speaker 5: and then they're going to be a little bit different
Speaker 5: from what you might see in North Georgia Tennessee area.
Speaker 5: So I think that there's a differences with these creatures too,
Speaker 5: that we have yet to scratch this surface on understanding.
Speaker 10: Oh yes, most definitely. I mean there's all sorts of
Speaker 10: I have. I have charts of like the different types
Speaker 10: of dog men and bigfoots. So we have we have
Speaker 10: skun capes here in Georgia too. You know, they're they're
Speaker 10: a little a little bit smaller than some of the
Speaker 10: bigfoots you're gonna find up in the Pacific Northwest and stuff.
Speaker 10: They're all different, they're regional, just like us humans. They're
Speaker 10: all different, okay, and they're all regional. We all got
Speaker 10: our own accents. I get made fun of a lot
Speaker 10: because I'm from Georgia and I got sometimes I get
Speaker 10: a thick accent.
Speaker 7: Okay, Georgia too, you're in Georgia too, we're neighbors.
Speaker 10: Neighbor.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Uh, actually we we have so we have so much
Speaker 10: high strang in center. We actually have a very famous,
Speaker 10: like the most well known were wolf out of the South,
Speaker 10: one of the best ones in the Sound. We got
Speaker 10: a lot of good ones in the South, but one
Speaker 10: is here in Georgia called Georgia's werewolf. Her name was
Speaker 10: Emily Isabella Bert and this was a a documented historical werewolf.
Speaker 10: A little girl. She was a little girl. She grew
Speaker 10: up to be an old lady. But she I don't
Speaker 10: know if y'all y'all, are y'all familiar with this or
Speaker 10: do you let me tell you what it's about. It's
Speaker 10: pretty good, okay, Okay, So this is back in the
Speaker 10: late eighteen hundreds. She was down in where she Okay,
Speaker 10: there's an area that I researched is called the troop
Speaker 10: Herd Corridor. It's known for mass alien abductions, a lot
Speaker 10: of high strangeness. We have dog man reports. I go
Speaker 10: down there all the time, dog man sightings and reports
Speaker 10: a lot of missing people. You know. My big thing
Speaker 10: are like I talk about the missing person's clusters in
Speaker 10: our national parks correlates some of those maybe to the
Speaker 10: portal incident and maybe people going missing walking in portals
Speaker 10: and stuff, and maybe cryptids. But I think it's I
Speaker 10: think it's our government and stuff too, kidnapping people. But anyways,
Speaker 10: that's another rabbit hole. But anyways, the Troop Herd Quarter,
Speaker 10: there's a place I think she's buried in Talbot County, Uh,
Speaker 10: Pike County, Talbot somewhere in that troop Herd Corridoray there
Speaker 10: and Troop Herd or counties by the way, and it
Speaker 10: goes through Middle Georgia and it goes into Alabama and
Speaker 10: uh there's you know, army bases down there. Here's the thing.
Speaker 10: Dog Men and bigfoot, a lot of cryptids are often
Speaker 10: spotted near military installments and around Indian burial mounts cemeteries. Okay,
Speaker 10: those are some of the hot spots if you want
Speaker 10: to if you want to see a dog man a bigfoot,
Speaker 10: go around a military base like Fort what is it,
Speaker 10: Fort Bennings down there in Columbus. Fort Stewart's down on
Speaker 10: the other side of the Hinesville. I went to school
Speaker 10: at Georgia Southern, so I was down there.
Speaker 3: I had.
Speaker 10: Down there, Yes, I played. I played rugby for Georgia
Speaker 10: Southern Okay, but anyways, UH love it down there, but
Speaker 10: the NATS I could do without. Okay, So but anyways, okay,
Speaker 10: So Elli Isabella Bert was a young woman. Her father,
Speaker 10: she came from a very wealthy family. Her father passed away.
Speaker 10: Her mother wanted to be like high society, so she
Speaker 10: shipped the kids off to Europe, okay, to go to
Speaker 10: boarding school so she could have her you know whatever
Speaker 10: she wanted to do back home without the kids, and
Speaker 10: and so she I guess when Emily came home. I
Speaker 10: don't know if she was home for good or for
Speaker 10: the summer or what. They said that Emily was acting different.
Speaker 10: She was sleeping all day, and she was up all night.
Speaker 10: She had hair growing where it shouldn't have been growing.
Speaker 10: She wasn't the prettiest, is what people say. I feel
Speaker 10: really bad for Emily. By the way, What's up Drewskie,
Speaker 10: And and so I had to feel kind of bad
Speaker 10: for Emily because she got she kind of got the
Speaker 10: short end of the stick when it came to looks
Speaker 10: and stuff like that. But when she came home and
Speaker 10: she was staying up all night and then sleeping all day,
Speaker 10: the neighbors started complaining that their livestock was ending up
Speaker 10: dead and the blood and it wasn't like it was
Speaker 10: being dragged off by like a predator. It was the
Speaker 10: blood was being drained out of the animals, like the cows,
Speaker 10: the goats, and the mother started getting suspicious. Her mother
Speaker 10: was like, I think it could be my daughter, okay,
Speaker 10: And the men would, like the guys on the farm
Speaker 10: would get together and to go have hunting parties, and
Speaker 10: they were out at night trying to stalk to find
Speaker 10: out what was killing all their livestock. And the mother
Speaker 10: was so suspicious that it might be her daughter that
Speaker 10: she joined the hunting party and she took her gun
Speaker 10: out there and she said, she said that I guess
Speaker 10: they didn't find anything. Okay, they couldn't. When they were
Speaker 10: out there, the livestock was fine. The mother was walking
Speaker 10: home on the last hunt that she went out there
Speaker 10: with them on. She was walking home and a wolf
Speaker 10: what she had described as a wolf, jumped out at
Speaker 10: her from a bush and she shot it. Well, when
Speaker 10: she shot it, it whimpered and ran off, and she
Speaker 10: was all discombobulated. Well, she got home, she was by herself.
Speaker 10: She got home. She got in her front porch and
Speaker 10: Emily Isabella Bert was standing there with a gunshot wound
Speaker 10: to her hand, and so the mother took her to
Speaker 10: the doctor. He diagnosed her with lycanthropy, and he helped
Speaker 10: her wound on her hand, but she ended up I
Speaker 10: think they probably kept that a secret for a while,
Speaker 10: but she was known as Georgia's werewolf after that. I
Speaker 10: don't know exactly what all happened. I know that she
Speaker 10: ended up staying on that property where her mother, you know,
Speaker 10: where her family lived until she died. She's buried there.
Speaker 10: Her tombstone says something really odd, something about like something
Speaker 10: about like now that she's passed on, she's in her
Speaker 10: true form finally, that is what he says. Yeah, weird stuff, y'all.
Speaker 9: Have you ever encountered what they would call I think
Speaker 9: they call them a rakes, Yeah, pell crawl Okay, pale crawlers,
Speaker 9: which I used to think where like juvenile windy goes.
Speaker 9: Maybe I don't know, like something of that sort, because
Speaker 9: those things, as far as any encryptid, scared the shit
Speaker 9: out of me, you know, more than anything, probably probably
Speaker 9: one of the only things that'd be frightened of and
Speaker 9: not as like intrigued to see.
Speaker 1: Have you ever encountered any of those?
Speaker 10: Well? Maybe? Okay, So one of the guys on my
Speaker 10: team down he's a nuclear scientist. He works at all
Speaker 10: the nuclear plants and stuff, and he he lives up
Speaker 10: in like the corner of like North Georgia, North Carolina
Speaker 10: and South Carolina, kind of like where they all meet
Speaker 10: right there. And I've been to his house. Really kind
Speaker 10: of creepy out there, but he has a lot of footage,
Speaker 10: like he has cameras all out in his property. He's
Speaker 10: got a big, big chunk of property up there on
Speaker 10: top of a mountain, and he has video footage of
Speaker 10: a pale crawler in his driveway. Okay, so I have
Speaker 10: seen plenty of videos of them with first hand eyewitness encounters.
Speaker 10: About two years ago, a year and a half ago,
Speaker 10: I was with Drewskie who's in your chat right now,
Speaker 10: drewski and I and several guys with Cryptid I guess
Speaker 10: at CW Operations and Survival. Now, okay, we all went
Speaker 10: up to Farri's house up in North Tennessee and we
Speaker 10: got called up there because her chickens were going missing
Speaker 10: and something was stealing her pet There were her pets,
Speaker 10: and they just moved into this log it's like a
Speaker 10: log house or something like on the side of a
Speaker 10: mountain sight unseen. They just moved in, didn't really go
Speaker 10: and check it out before they bought it or started
Speaker 10: renting or whatever they did. And it turns out there
Speaker 10: was a cave entrance about thirty feet from their back door,
Speaker 10: huge cave entrance. Well, unbeknownst to them, it's actually the
Speaker 10: Walker Cave. I'm not going to say the word, it
Speaker 10: was the s Walker Cave. It was on chopped tawl
Speaker 10: in and she was getting these figures in her cameras
Speaker 10: that were outside her house, like potential dog men, maybe
Speaker 10: bigfoot things like that. There's even a big footprint by
Speaker 10: her chicken coop after one of the chickens had gone
Speaker 10: missing again, so she was pretty upset, like the chickens
Speaker 10: had been taken into the cave. There were feathers going
Speaker 10: into the cave. After the last chicken was taken. She
Speaker 10: kind of had reached her limit. She was like, all right,
Speaker 10: there's this creepy cave back here. She was not comfortable,
Speaker 10: but even going in that cave, I think she said
Speaker 10: she was hearing voices and stuff in it. She would
Speaker 10: set up recorders outside the cave and like pick up
Speaker 10: voices and things like that. So she called us up
Speaker 10: there to, I don't know, maybe just investigate, try to
Speaker 10: figure out where her chickens were going. And we went
Speaker 10: on a full investigation into the caves. I'm not a
Speaker 10: fan of caves. By the way we got up there.
Speaker 10: I thought it was really odd though, too, because we
Speaker 10: were expecting to see you know, I'm a tracker, I've
Speaker 10: been doing tracking for for a long time, and I
Speaker 10: was expecting when I got there to go up to
Speaker 10: that cave entrance, go into the cave and like the
Speaker 10: floor is muddy. I was sure we were going to
Speaker 10: find footprints and some sign of some whatever took her chickens.
Speaker 10: But we got in there and there were no tracks,
Speaker 10: no footprints, no nothing. So whatever was taking her chickens
Speaker 10: was scaling the walls, okay, and which is kind of creepy, right,
Speaker 10: but but it was going into that cave, and uh
Speaker 10: and the guys, Drew Ski and some other guys, they
Speaker 10: were a little more adventurous than me when it came
Speaker 10: to getting way back in that cave. It was really
Speaker 10: deep and we had found out that story behind that
Speaker 10: cave was that there was an issue with a bunch
Speaker 10: of s walkers, if you'll know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 10: and a chalk Tass shaman Native American shaman medicine me
Speaker 10: had banished all of the s walkers into that cave
Speaker 10: and sealed it spiritually energetically. And that was in Farres' backyard,
Speaker 10: right by her chicken coop. And and so the guys
Speaker 10: went back there, and at some point they got way
Speaker 10: back there, I think the rope ran out, if I'm
Speaker 10: not mistaken. Everybody had ropes tied around him and stuff.
Speaker 10: Drisk he did something he shouldn't have done. He whistled,
Speaker 10: O Ko, You're not supposed to whistle, not at night,
Speaker 10: not in Appellationians, not in a cave. And we liked
Speaker 10: to push our limits. We pushed the boundaries, and Drew
Speaker 10: Ski whistled. And what they said was that it looked
Speaker 10: like a pell crawler peked his head around the back
Speaker 10: of you know, the cave in front of them. So
Speaker 10: I wasn't there for that. I was at the front
Speaker 10: of the cave. I was kind of like keeping watch
Speaker 10: to make sure, you know, everything was cool up the
Speaker 10: front because I wouldn't going way back. I wouldn't going
Speaker 10: back there for all that. But anyways, no, I have
Speaker 10: not personally seen one that I know of, But I
Speaker 10: don't know. I've seen so much weird stuff there's no telling.
Speaker 7: You know, I grew up in Appalachia and that's what
Speaker 7: we heard. You don't whistle. Well, it was you don't
Speaker 7: go certain places after dark, anywhere after dark, but you
Speaker 7: have to be very selective of where you do go
Speaker 7: if you are to go somewhere after dark, and that
Speaker 7: you don't whistle. And I've always wondered about that.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Exactly what all that entails, but that's what they told
Speaker 7: us too.
Speaker 9: Maybe it's some frequency thing with our with our whistling
Speaker 9: that draws them, you know, I don't know, because some
Speaker 9: people do that throat singing stuff. Right, There's that one
Speaker 9: guy who was on that TikTok live and he was
Speaker 9: throat singing, and then all these entities, I don't know
Speaker 9: what they are.
Speaker 1: They kind of look like the pale pale crawlers or they.
Speaker 9: They could have been anything, just like peeked out from
Speaker 9: behind trees and stuff.
Speaker 1: And some people say it was because he was like
Speaker 1: a Native.
Speaker 9: American from that kind of But I think if you
Speaker 9: can throat saying, you can maybe draw these things out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's all.
Speaker 10: About energy frequency and vibration, and like I said, if
Speaker 10: you want to have an encounter with something that's probably
Speaker 10: more positive, get on a high vibration, okay, like get
Speaker 10: on their frequency with that. I've seen that video that's
Speaker 10: like Mongolian throat singing or something they called that, and
Speaker 10: it is. You know, we have taken like diggerie dudes
Speaker 10: out in the woods before. There are some people that
Speaker 10: take like those Aztec death whistles and stuff. I don't
Speaker 10: recommend any I don't recommend that y'all. The show far
Speaker 10: and all that kind of stuff. I do not recommend
Speaker 10: that at all. Don't. I'm going to tell y'all just
Speaker 10: probably don't do what you want. But I wouldn't. I
Speaker 10: wouldn't do stuff like that just because you don't know
Speaker 10: what you're opening. We're talking about portal. I talk about
Speaker 10: portals a lot, and it's one thing to open up
Speaker 10: a portal. We've had multiple portals that my team has encountered.
Speaker 10: We had a portal that opened in our base camp
Speaker 10: late one night, and there were two entities that were
Speaker 10: crawling out of it, and the head of my team
Speaker 10: yelled something in another language. I don't know what he yelled,
Speaker 10: but the portal it closed like that. One of them
Speaker 10: got spit out and the other one got sucked back
Speaker 10: in it's a safe word. He was like, no, he said,
Speaker 10: I don't know what he said.
Speaker 1: One of them got spit out. Did it just run off?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 10: No, it it well, yeah, it ran and it screamed.
Speaker 10: It was That was okay, So I said, the fog
Speaker 10: was one of the scariest things that ever happened to me.
Speaker 10: This fog had consciousness. The same location is where this
Speaker 10: thing these things were in this like this grid pattern
Speaker 10: opened up in the sky, in the in the atmosphere,
Speaker 10: and one thing got spit out when he yelled, and
Speaker 10: the other one got sucked back and the thing whatever
Speaker 10: got spit out into eye reality it yelled. I described
Speaker 10: it a lot. I used to not really tell the
Speaker 10: whole story on that, okay, because it was too weird.
Speaker 10: And and I just say, oh, you know, it was
Speaker 10: just a bigfoot that yelled, or I can't what wasn't bigfoot?
Speaker 10: It was something else. We still don't know what this
Speaker 10: thing was, but it was. It was an entity and
Speaker 10: it was solid. But when it yelled, it sounded it
Speaker 10: sounded like what a bigfoot would sound like. I've heard
Speaker 10: bigfoots yell and whoop and scream and all that. But
Speaker 10: it was this thing sounded like a female voice that
Speaker 10: turned into like an animal, to something that was mad
Speaker 10: to in pain, and it screamed. It had the lungs
Speaker 10: on it, I mean, and you could hear it screened,
Speaker 10: and it ran all behind our tents, all the way
Speaker 10: down to where the road was, and it was terrifying.
Speaker 10: And then all night that night it was really weird, y'all.
Speaker 10: There's this phenomenon that happens when we're out in the
Speaker 10: woods and when things start getting weird and we're at
Speaker 10: our base camp. You'd think that we'd stay up and
Speaker 10: we'd get out of our you know, thermals and our
Speaker 10: night vision and we'd stay up. We all go to sleep.
Speaker 10: It's almost like there's something that comes over us and
Speaker 10: we're all just like, oh, it's a good idea just
Speaker 10: to go to bed at like eleven o'clock at night
Speaker 10: when we drove all the way out here to go bigfooting, but.
Speaker 9: I'm going to go I go to sleep. Uh how
Speaker 9: many times does that happen?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 9: You know, like how many of these portals have opened
Speaker 9: and these things just pop out and they run off
Speaker 9: into the you know, never ever and then it closes
Speaker 9: and then they're they're here.
Speaker 10: Oh, I thought you meant like, have I seen it
Speaker 10: only though?
Speaker 1: No, No, I was just saying.
Speaker 9: Just in general, like over time, Like it's so there's
Speaker 9: no telling how many of these creatures live live amongst us. Uh,
Speaker 9: you know, so for people to discount it as you know,
Speaker 9: bullshit or whatever, it really just I don't know. I've
Speaker 9: always been a big fan of cryptis, So yeah, that
Speaker 9: is the treat to be there, you know, to be
Speaker 9: able to talk to you.
Speaker 10: Oh, thank you. It's been a treat being here too well.
Speaker 10: And that that's why we're kind of the point that
Speaker 10: I was getting to, is like the not using those devices,
Speaker 10: like those musical instruments and stuff to like, because you
Speaker 10: don't know if you're like opening a portal. Because he
Speaker 10: saw that video with just that throat singing, right, It's
Speaker 10: like you can open these things up, but then it
Speaker 10: does it close and you gotta think about like all
Speaker 10: the other people, like I take my kid to the
Speaker 10: national parks and stuff. You know, I'd like to know
Speaker 10: what's out there and uh, and to think that there's
Speaker 10: like portals opening and people are not closing them down.
Speaker 9: And right do they follow you around if you don't?
Speaker 2: Cases and all kinds of craziness.
Speaker 1: So do they follow you around if they can follow you?
Speaker 6: I gotta ask, Jessica, are you a mound woman? Do
Speaker 6: you go out to the mounds and visit?
Speaker 10: Yes, we have the Ediwa Indian Mounds here in Georgia
Speaker 10: not too far from where I live, about ten minutes
Speaker 10: from the north Paulden Werewolf okay over where I used
Speaker 10: to live over that area, and uh, and yes, because
Speaker 10: we we actually have a lot of dog man sightings
Speaker 10: over there near the Edawa Indian Mounds. And so yeah,
Speaker 10: I do anytime I get a chance, I go to mounds. Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 10: I actually have a friend of mine who I had
Speaker 10: not met her in person before, but she was working, uh,
Speaker 10: mapping out lay lines and stuff and that was like
Speaker 10: part of her job, okay, like contracting. I don't know
Speaker 10: if she worked with the government or what. I don't know.
Speaker 10: I don't know nothing about nothing, but she was plotting
Speaker 10: out lay lines, and so she was kind of like
Speaker 10: contacting me to be like, well, hey, you know, you
Speaker 10: don't have to tell me like where you do your
Speaker 10: your cryptid research, but I'm trying to line up, like
Speaker 10: figure out where these lay lines are going and help
Speaker 10: you know, I'm connecting these mounds and places of high strangeness.
Speaker 10: So I ended up talking with her and doing some
Speaker 10: work with her on that, and so that she's plotting
Speaker 10: out some like official lay lines, but they're all connected
Speaker 10: to those mounds. So yes, I love mounts.
Speaker 8: I was actually I did an article in a video
Speaker 8: on the of Mogi Mounds in just about two weeks ago.
Speaker 8: I went to Rock Eagle and Rock Hawk Effigy Mounds
Speaker 8: just about two weeks ago.
Speaker 11: I just put those two up on my Rumbo account.
Speaker 8: It is amazing because I was going to ask you,
Speaker 8: but you already already talked about it.
Speaker 11: Just now the lay lines.
Speaker 8: I wonder you know, have you, you know, did any
Speaker 8: type of research behind the lay lines where you found
Speaker 8: some of the locations of some of the portals that
Speaker 8: you that you might have ran into, along with some
Speaker 8: of the sightings of Bigfoot and UFOs and orbs and
Speaker 8: all that.
Speaker 10: Well, we don't. We don't like follow lay lines to
Speaker 10: like do our research and stuff. I mean, it was
Speaker 10: not until recently I was like, oh, maybe I should
Speaker 10: look and see where all these lay lines are if
Speaker 10: they mash up to where our research areas are. You know,
Speaker 10: I had never really put a whole lot of thought
Speaker 10: into all that. But yeah, we do have lay a
Speaker 10: lot of times. We do have lay lines going through
Speaker 10: places that we research.
Speaker 8: I know a guy that I know, a guy Ricardo.
Speaker 8: He actually he showed us this the other day. He
Speaker 8: actually has a the Google's map of all the lay
Speaker 8: lines on the Earth. So he would probably be somebody
Speaker 8: that you could probably out pass the message out to
Speaker 8: him to get to you. Yeah, he had like literally
Speaker 8: all the lay lines around the Earth.
Speaker 10: That's awesome. Yeah, I mean I have like a I
Speaker 10: have a lay line map of like the United States
Speaker 10: and stuff, and I show it on my shows sometimes
Speaker 10: when we're talking about different locations and stuff. You know,
Speaker 10: it's like the Bermuda Triangle down there, like right off
Speaker 10: the coast of Florida has an intersection of lay lines.
Speaker 10: Anywhere where there's an intersection of lay lines. Watch out.
Speaker 10: Now there's gonna be something that goes on there. And
Speaker 10: we're talking about ancient things, you know. I don't know
Speaker 10: how deep down the rabbit hole you guys go. I'm
Speaker 10: sure it's pretty deep. Okay, But we don't know the
Speaker 10: true history of this land. Okay, that's my opinion. We don't.
Speaker 10: And there's a whole lot of a lot of history
Speaker 10: that's been hidden from us and stuff. But I think
Speaker 10: that if you follow those lay lines, you're gonna find
Speaker 10: the true history and you start start digging, okay, and
Speaker 10: find out what's really down there. And just followed the
Speaker 10: lay lines, Yeah, we.
Speaker 6: Might have a we might have a good candidate for
Speaker 6: that remote viewing Mount Pisca in uh, North Carolina. Have
Speaker 6: you heard of that place?
Speaker 10: I have? Yes, isn't there like a I was gonna
Speaker 10: stand in there a big foot festival? Maybe that's u
Speaker 10: AI actually this weekend? Yeah, you are is an interesting place.
Speaker 10: I got a good buddy. Yeah, one of my one
Speaker 10: of my teammates, good friend of mine, who's like family,
Speaker 10: David Pardue, actually is a bit near Ui. He's he's
Speaker 10: got some really good footage of little people, videos of
Speaker 10: little people. It looks like it looks say ET's actually,
Speaker 10: but I think they're little people, maybe moon eyed people
Speaker 10: or ets, just tiny a little bit like walking in
Speaker 10: single file lines and stuff.
Speaker 11: And I was talking about yesterday the moon eye people.
Speaker 5: Well, and if we bring up we'd be remiss not
Speaker 5: to shout out m K in the chat. He has
Speaker 5: had some experiences in the ri Mountains, and I believe
Speaker 5: they He just got off of a documentary with small
Speaker 5: Town Monsters and help It Holler, we're investigating in the
Speaker 5: Yari some bigfoot reports that have come in. They have
Speaker 5: a new documentary out on it. And he came on
Speaker 5: my show and was telling me all the crazy stuff
Speaker 5: that happens up there, and I was just blown away by,
Speaker 5: you know, the things he was sharing that happened, and
Speaker 5: it wasn't on my radar, but it keeps popping up.
Speaker 10: That's amazing. What's up, MKA. I've seen him in my
Speaker 10: chat too. What's that buddy? Yes, there's so much goes
Speaker 10: on up there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 10: I know David David has complaining a little bit about
Speaker 10: Yari because it was it was amazing back in the
Speaker 10: day before What is that Finding Bigfoot Show got a
Speaker 10: hold of it. And uh, and now it's it's tough
Speaker 10: to go out there and do research because there's so
Speaker 10: many people out there, uh, knocking on trees and whooping
Speaker 10: and all that stuff. It's just not David said, it's
Speaker 10: not really worth going some places now up there because
Speaker 10: it's been advertised.
Speaker 12: That's why.
Speaker 10: That's why I hate to say that, but that's why
Speaker 10: my team like where we do our research over and
Speaker 10: over again. We don't it's all we don't give our
Speaker 10: locations away. But there's still some places there that he
Speaker 10: likes to go. He has a relationship with bigfoot families
Speaker 10: out there. And do you worry.
Speaker 8: That Lady Susie, That Lady Susie from the sixties had
Speaker 8: a relationship with a bigfoot family. There was actually a
Speaker 8: YouTube video of her explaining and talking about that.
Speaker 11: But it's no longer on there anymore.
Speaker 2: Not that.
Speaker 11: So I'm going now. But yeah, you know about Susie, right,
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 10: I have no idea.
Speaker 8: So there's this lady in the sixties, when she was
Speaker 8: a little kid, she ran it. She was in the
Speaker 8: woods and she ran into a big foot and she
Speaker 8: found the family and she had a friendly relationship with
Speaker 8: them for some time.
Speaker 2: Isn't there a book about it too, Yeah.
Speaker 11: There's a book about it. Yeah, there's a book about it.
Speaker 8: I name was, well her, it's not her real name.
Speaker 8: It's a it's a it's it's a fake name that
Speaker 8: she gives out. But she did an interview. She actually
Speaker 8: did an interview on YouTube, or it was on YouTube
Speaker 8: for a while.
Speaker 11: There is no longer on there anymore.
Speaker 5: Now I know what you're talking about. Her name is
Speaker 5: on the tip of my tongue. I know some people
Speaker 5: who know her, and it's an incredible story to hear
Speaker 5: about it. There was an unfriendly bigfoot in the area
Speaker 5: and just something really crazy about her story is this
Speaker 5: was I think, you know, maybe back in the seventies
Speaker 5: and there was a girl in the neighborhood and just
Speaker 5: trigger warning, she said she had been essayed by this
Speaker 5: wild man, right, and they had actually institutionalized her. And
Speaker 5: this woman came out coroborating her story, saying that there
Speaker 5: was this all black, malevolent sasquatch who did was the
Speaker 5: one who essayed this poor woman and she remained institutionalized
Speaker 5: for the rest of her life after that.
Speaker 8: That's one of the reasons why I wrote my article
Speaker 8: because they actually used the word and term wild man,
Speaker 8: and that made when I read that, that's what made
Speaker 8: it click with me to know about, you know, the
Speaker 8: epic of Gilgamesh. When they described in key do was
Speaker 8: as being a wild man.
Speaker 11: So I was like, wow, this.
Speaker 3: Is pretty cool.
Speaker 10: Man, that's wild that's really sad too, very sad. And uh,
Speaker 10: you know, speaking of wildman, there's been a lot of
Speaker 10: wild men around the South, especially uh broke, there's one
Speaker 10: down in Florida. Uh, the Cheesy Pond wildman, Okay, and uh,
Speaker 10: that is an interesting story because they had, uh these
Speaker 10: are like Neanderthal looking human type Sasquatch. I guess they
Speaker 10: look more human a lot of times we call them
Speaker 10: type for Sasquatch. Okay, and uh, they would look like
Speaker 10: like a hairy human more than than anything.
Speaker 8: But that's that's what I think Christopher Columbus was probably
Speaker 8: describing because he actually put that in his journal. Oh yeah,
Speaker 8: he actually put that in his journal. That description.
Speaker 10: Well, they had I think they said that the newspaper
Speaker 10: article said that they had found the wild man taking
Speaker 10: like swimming in the pond. He was taking a bath
Speaker 10: or something, and they captured him and they took him
Speaker 10: to the state capitol. The governor was like, or the
Speaker 10: governor's house. He was like, get him out of here.
Speaker 10: I don't want anything to do with this. And they
Speaker 10: took him up to the Chattahoochee State Hospital of in
Speaker 10: chattahooche Florida, and and that's where he ended up died.
Speaker 10: They say that he's buried there somewhere on those grounds
Speaker 10: up there today.
Speaker 5: But the people, Yeah, there's some portal activity in Chattahoochee.
Speaker 10: I have I have been. I have done an investigation
Speaker 10: there at that house of the couple that had where
Speaker 10: Stacy Brown got that footage. We were up there before
Speaker 10: Stacy got up there, I believe a long time ago.
Speaker 10: With my team. I was actually told not to ever
Speaker 10: say their names and stuff. And it was before they
Speaker 10: were public about it. I think I was up there.
Speaker 10: My team went up and spent a weekend up there
Speaker 10: investigating that was that they had a cool property. They
Speaker 10: called it. What was it called there? I forgot what
Speaker 10: they called there was the enchanted forest.
Speaker 9: You stay in the sugar shock.
Speaker 10: I stayed in a tent. I stayed in channel forest. Yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Okay, I went over looking something here. So can you
Speaker 6: imagine the orderly that had to be in charge of
Speaker 6: shaving bigfoot.
Speaker 10: Just leave them, Harry.
Speaker 7: Sleep.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a really cool property. I had an
Speaker 5: opportunity to visit it in February and walk around it
Speaker 5: and it was really neat. Got to see where some
Speaker 5: of the portals were and listen to her stories and
Speaker 5: that was just mind blowing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's the bridges. I think is are name there
Speaker 10: featured And I can say it now because it's been
Speaker 10: so publicized, but they were on Animal Planet or some
Speaker 10: some shows talking about their big experience. Yeah, they had
Speaker 10: a bigfoot actually that came up on their their porch
Speaker 10: was right at their bedroom from what I can recall,
Speaker 10: and and it came up on their poor and would
Speaker 10: sit screened one night and stuff. They had a lot
Speaker 10: of activity out there.
Speaker 13: So yeah, so you uh, you know, I mean, I
Speaker 13: know you guys keep some of your stuff private, like
Speaker 13: some of the teams you work with and all. That
Speaker 13: is that to do with people having you guys come
Speaker 13: out there to sort of rid their property of a problem.
Speaker 10: Oh well, we don't go out there to rid people
Speaker 10: of problems. Now, I don't know, cw ops we might
Speaker 10: that's what we needed to. Now, that's one team that's well, okay,
Speaker 10: that's not what my my research teams do though, So
Speaker 10: I've kind of gone rogue with with Drew Skie Okay, y'all. Okay,
Speaker 10: So that's that's a whole different that's a whole different beast.
Speaker 10: It's going out with him, okay, and those guys. Uh,
Speaker 10: my research teams, we don't. We don't go take care
Speaker 10: of problems. We go out there to investigate, okay, and
Speaker 10: uh and that's all, and to see see what's going
Speaker 10: on out there and stuff like that. I don't do
Speaker 10: a whole lot of investigations these days. I'm kind of,
Speaker 10: you know, kind of busy doing my my chasing dog
Speaker 10: men with Rouski now and all them. So, but but
Speaker 10: my guys, do you know that they still go out
Speaker 10: and investigate. Actually, if you go to like the BFR
Speaker 10: websites BFRO websites, a lot of those reports, especially the
Speaker 10: ones in Georgia, were taken by my teammates, guys around
Speaker 10: my team. There are none of them are any longer
Speaker 10: part of BFRO okay, but they used to be a
Speaker 10: long time ago, and some of the some of the
Speaker 10: in my opinion, some of the cooler reports were taken.
Speaker 10: I was reading them and I'm like, oh, that's my teammate,
Speaker 10: you know that took that. So yeah, but yeah, we
Speaker 10: try to keep our things private as much, especially when
Speaker 10: it comes to families and people. You know, people like
Speaker 10: the privacy. Yeah, for sure, I.
Speaker 9: Know we probably have to get out of here soon.
Speaker 9: But I had one more question on my end. When
Speaker 9: you've been out there squat watching or you know, out
Speaker 9: there hunting for bigfoot whatever you want to call it up,
Speaker 9: have you ran into any of these wooden structures made
Speaker 9: of sticks, like I think they've been referred to as
Speaker 9: star forks. I I've seen them on a couple just
Speaker 9: random big foot channels before. I don't know if they're legit.
Speaker 9: Have have you witnessed any of that? It kind of
Speaker 9: looks like a structure. Maybe that's something was put together
Speaker 9: by someone.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, well, okay, here here's my thing with the
Speaker 10: stick structures. Most of them are human made. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 10: don't y'all don't come at me. I think you're right,
Speaker 10: but there it's not all the time though, because okay,
Speaker 10: so here there's a difference with a lot of it
Speaker 10: depends you got to go and see it. Okay. Uh,
Speaker 10: debris huts are a thing I'm trained and we've done
Speaker 10: a lot of survivalist training and stuff, and building a
Speaker 10: debris hut is one of the first things you learn
Speaker 10: when you're doing survivalist training. And so whenever you see
Speaker 10: like the tps and stuff like that, a lot of
Speaker 10: times those are those are human debris huts. Okay, huts
Speaker 10: I don't and it's fine. People people kind of quit
Speaker 10: sending me pictures at this point because I'm like, that's
Speaker 10: a doub brie hut. Okay. But there are also things
Speaker 10: that you can't explain. And there are a lot of
Speaker 10: bigfoot tree structures as well. So, yes, we have a
Speaker 10: couple of places we go. A lot of times we
Speaker 10: have trees that have been bent down, like really tall
Speaker 10: trees that are bent and they're tied into what I
Speaker 10: call an asterisk, like a star what you're talking about. Yes,
Speaker 10: it's like they're tied with other limbs and trees and
Speaker 10: it's it's really tight. My friend David Pardu actually that
Speaker 10: I was just mentioning up in Uari. There's a we
Speaker 10: got a picture of him with his tree twist. It's
Speaker 10: twisted like fifteen times a huge tree and it's just
Speaker 10: twisted and like maybe a piece of machinery could have
Speaker 10: done it, but a humane sure's head couldn't have done that.
Speaker 10: It's the most outrageous tree twist I've ever seen. And
Speaker 10: that was a uari. Actually, Uh, there's a lot. There's
Speaker 10: a lot of structures that are by bigfoot. I mean
Speaker 10: there's a when I was with Harley actually we're up
Speaker 10: in East Tennessee a couple of months ago. Uh, there's
Speaker 10: trees up and like turned sideways on top of other trees, like, look,
Speaker 10: you've been placed there. Now. Of course it could be weather,
Speaker 10: could be the floods, could be tornadoes. It just depends.
Speaker 10: It just depends.
Speaker 9: That looks like sigils almost at the times. Maybe it's
Speaker 9: just my brain doing that, but I don't know. It
Speaker 9: seems odd because there are you know, theories if these
Speaker 9: things are ancient, what kind of DNA did they have,
Speaker 9: if it's some older race of human or you know, uh,
Speaker 9: these these uh what they would call fallen angels.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 9: That did DNA manipulation. And this this just goes back
Speaker 9: like if you read Sitchin or whatever, which you know
Speaker 9: takes Chitchen with a grain of salt. But he talks
Speaker 9: about how inky and that's where you get the Inky do, right,
Speaker 9: that's who created him.
Speaker 1: Or maybe a consort of Inky.
Speaker 9: But he was creating these like atoms, these like men
Speaker 9: like vibes of atom almost and like some of them
Speaker 9: were covered in hair, some of them could only grunt
Speaker 9: some And this is supposedly an ancient Sumerian right, So
Speaker 9: like it's uh, that's it's fascinating to me. I think
Speaker 9: these creatures have some kind of some kind of DNA
Speaker 9: in them that they're able to do all of this
Speaker 9: uh supernatural you know, all these things.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean they've been around for a long time
Speaker 10: and so they're able to Like I said, we always
Speaker 10: go back to that, like Earth's natural portals and stuff,
Speaker 10: like they're able to access stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 10: we we as humans, have been so far removed from
Speaker 10: our natural abilities of like tuning into Earth and tuning
Speaker 10: into our own bodies and our abilities that we have.
Speaker 10: You know, you know I do this remote viewing stuff.
Speaker 10: Well you know, I really have done a lot of
Speaker 10: practicing and like telepathy and you know, just tuning into
Speaker 10: my psychic abilities and like even things like spirit tracking
Speaker 10: and stuff like that, you know, stuff that like everything
Speaker 10: has been replaced by something I want to say, faults
Speaker 10: or like what do you call it. It's like non organic,
Speaker 10: you know, like our telepathy is no longer needed because
Speaker 10: we have telephones now, right, telephones is for place our
Speaker 10: telepathy things like that. Bigfoots don't have all that stuff.
Speaker 10: They don't have all this technology. They're still in tune.
Speaker 10: They're still attuned to all the natural things around them
Speaker 10: and all the natural things that their bodies can be
Speaker 10: used for and their abilities. You know, so they are
Speaker 10: highly I got to say, they're very much more advanced
Speaker 10: in some ways than us humans even are. But also
Speaker 10: they're all different when it comes to bigfoots. There's bigfoots
Speaker 10: that are primate like that are always out looking for
Speaker 10: food and that's all they can think about. They're just animalistic.
Speaker 10: There's some that are highly advanced that are you know,
Speaker 10: more so than humans. Okay, so there's a whole wide
Speaker 10: range of sasquatch bigfoots. Yeah, different accents and all that
Speaker 10: and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: Did anybody have any other questions? It is almost getting
Speaker 3: close to two hours.
Speaker 6: Were wrapping up I just wanted to say I love
Speaker 6: your show, Jessica. Let's do it all the time at work.
Speaker 6: I think, thank you, keep up the good work.
Speaker 10: I appreciate that, y'all. Thank you so much. Thank you'll
Speaker 10: for having me tonight, you know, and I do very
Speaker 10: much appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's funny, incredible.
Speaker 4: All right, Well I'll let everybody look their shows again
Speaker 4: real quick before we let everybody go brook, let everybody.
Speaker 3: Know where they can find your show and where you're
Speaker 3: speaking again.
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you so much for having me tonight.
Speaker 7: This is fantastic.
Speaker 5: I love anytime we get to talk about these types
Speaker 5: of subjects with fellow rejects. I will be speaking at
Speaker 5: Charlie's Beyond Belief Expo in Fort Myers, Florida, on October eighteenth,
Speaker 5: and in the meantime, you can find me wherever you
Speaker 5: get your podcasts at Dark Foot of Podcasts and on
Speaker 5: in dam at Dark Florida podcast Thank you again.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, no, thank you appreciate it. And my man Headless,
Speaker 4: what's up?
Speaker 6: How you doing? You can find me at Headless Giant
Speaker 6: on x and on YouTube, also on Instagram, and I'm
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Speaker 6: and that's my cat.
Speaker 4: Part of the show. Always share. Thank you very much
Speaker 4: and Tyrone my man.
Speaker 8: And I was wonderful. I appreciate everything. I took a
Speaker 8: lot of notes down. It is interesting that you say
Speaker 8: you're in Georgia because I'm actually in Georgia so too.
Speaker 8: So I'm going to start making it to these events
Speaker 8: and stuff like that. Like I said earlier, everything you
Speaker 8: can find on me is on my website Rebirth at
Speaker 8: the word dot com and my butt. My book Journey
Speaker 8: through the Origins of History can be bought on Amazon.
Speaker 8: And I talk about Inky Do and Bigfoot and the
Speaker 8: similarity in.
Speaker 3: Well Man, Tim Little Know find you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, this is good stuff tonight. You've you've seen
Speaker 7: some really crazy stuff. I appreciate you sharing that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm Tim. My show is sixth Censory podcast. I'm
Speaker 7: on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Patreon, and Instagram. Thanks for having.
Speaker 3: Me, of course, No, thank you. And Jules, what is
Speaker 3: going on guys?
Speaker 9: Uh, this was a banger of an episode. Jessica, thank you.
Speaker 1: I would love to have.
Speaker 9: You on my show sometimes, would love to have you
Speaker 9: on Great Pilled Uh.
Speaker 1: I think I followed you, so maybe we can do that.
Speaker 9: If if, if you'd like to, for sure absolutely, But Nick,
Speaker 9: thanks for having me. Uh guys, great pilled pod on
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Speaker 1: Set like opposite side of the show.
Speaker 9: It's all exclusive content over there, a lot of cool
Speaker 9: stuff and uh yeah, this this, this was amazing. Thank
Speaker 9: you Nick for inviting me again.
Speaker 3: Of course. Of course, of course, my bet tools.
Speaker 2: I just sent you some Rake pictures from the Alleghany
Speaker 2: National Forest in in Instagram, so check those out. Jessica, awesome,
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. Yeah, I'd love to have
Speaker 2: you on my podcast too, And.
Speaker 10: I'll come on any y'all's podcast let me know.
Speaker 2: And I think we've actually talked about it, but we
Speaker 2: just haven't been able to figure it out, so we
Speaker 2: have to I'm.
Speaker 10: Looking at half of y'all up here, I'm like, man,
Speaker 10: I think that I've talked to you all about coming
Speaker 10: on your shows. I'm so sorry, y'all, I'm really busy.
Speaker 2: Sorry, so Broadcasting Seeds dot com, the Broadcasting Seeds Podcast.
Speaker 2: I will be at the Ohio Bigfoot Jamboree in Aight, O,
Speaker 2: Ohio on October fourth, if you want to come out
Speaker 2: there and say hi and yeah on the big Broadcasting
Speaker 2: Seeds dot com. Thanks for having me on, guys, of course,
Speaker 2: of course, thank you for joining us, Sir and Jessica.
Speaker 4: Please let everybody know where they can find all your
Speaker 4: stuff again, thank you, thankyah.
Speaker 10: This has been so much fun. I can be found
Speaker 10: on my YouTube channel. It's the Cryptid Huntress, so go
Speaker 10: subscribe over there, and I have a website it's Thecryptiedhuntress
Speaker 10: dot com. Also all my social media links are there.
Speaker 10: Just look up the Crypted Huntress or on x I'm
Speaker 10: Huntress Jessica Okay, but it's the Crypted Huntress. And I
Speaker 10: will be at some events coming up. I'm at the
Speaker 10: Georgia Bigfoot Conference is coming up in September. I've in
Speaker 10: North Georgia and Mount Airy. I'll be there, and then
Speaker 10: I'll be at the Super Soldier Activation Conference in Orlando,
Speaker 10: Florida in October, and then I'll be at the Molina
Speaker 10: Bigfoot festival in Middle Georgia that is coming up in November.
Speaker 10: So those are my three events I can remember, but
Speaker 10: I'll be it. But it's all on my website. So
Speaker 10: thank you all again for having me tonight. It's been
Speaker 10: really fun.
Speaker 3: Oh no, thank you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, everybody's link so I will make sure it's
Speaker 4: in the show notes of the shows. They weren't there.
Speaker 4: Everybody in the chat, thank you so much. So there's
Speaker 4: people there from the beginning to the end like usual.
Speaker 4: I appreciate all that, and I appreciate all the rejects
Speaker 4: coming on tonight and making the time to you know,
Speaker 4: have the show again.
Speaker 3: I had a blast.
Speaker 4: I love the stories and uh I'll actually be seeing
Speaker 4: you eventually in person soon at one of these shows,
Speaker 4: so look forward to that. And uh yeah, until the
Speaker 4: next one, everybody be well later.
Speaker 7: Our guest today is a researcher and podcaster. He's the
Speaker 7: host of two podcasts, those being Inquiries of Our Reality
Speaker 7: and Bizarre Encounters. Shane Jones, thanks for coming on, man.
Speaker 14: Absolute pleasure to be on the show Man. After having
Speaker 14: a great conversation on my end, Man, we had to
Speaker 14: switch it over to your end. And have a good conversation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was fun. I really enjoyed coming on your show.
Speaker 7: We got pretty deep into some World War two advanced
Speaker 7: technology and stuff like that. It was great.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: We even got to dive a little bit into like
Speaker 14: my alien theory stuff. And I know maybe at some
Speaker 14: point we'll kind of want to get into some weird
Speaker 14: theories and stuff on this one, just because it was
Speaker 14: pretty fun last time. But yeah, the whole like alien
Speaker 14: abduction phenomenon, not being just specifically aliens, but also having
Speaker 14: a faction of humans.
Speaker 12: So it was a fun conversation.
Speaker 14: Man Like, anybody that didn't listen to it, I recommend
Speaker 14: going back and listen to it, especially if you guys
Speaker 14: end up in joining this episode.
Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody go check that out. You told me at
Speaker 7: some point since we've met that you had a Michigan story.
Speaker 7: So I was singing about that today and I gotta say,
Speaker 7: you know, I just had a conversation recently. I had
Speaker 7: Jay Widner on and we were talking about he was
Speaker 7: he was breaking this down. It was absolutely epic. He
Speaker 7: was talking about this ancient naval seafaring secret society and
Speaker 7: he was and he went he traced it back to
Speaker 7: the Phoenicians who were coming over here from the Middle
Speaker 7: East to mine copper from Lake Michigan. And I think
Speaker 7: that Phoenicians and Noan's and a couple other groups were
Speaker 7: coming over here to do this copper mining. But I
Speaker 7: just think that that area I'm bringing us up because
Speaker 7: it's such a rich area. It was such a dense history.
Speaker 7: And in fact, there's a town up there on the
Speaker 7: Queenaw Peninsula called Copper Harbor, and I just see that
Speaker 7: name as tracing back to an earlier age.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: I think that there's a lot of town names in
Speaker 7: the States here that go back to this earlier age.
Speaker 7: But all that to say that area Michigan has some
Speaker 7: extremely dense history.
Speaker 14: Just to throw in another little aspect too, I don't
Speaker 14: know how to pronounce it properly, so I'm not going
Speaker 14: to attempt to pronounce it, but I'll call it the
Speaker 14: layman's English name for it. But there was the water Panther,
Speaker 14: which was like the top of the Upper Peninsula kind
Speaker 14: of going into Lake Superior. There was this, uh basically
Speaker 14: like a cave drawing essentially on the pictured rocks that
Speaker 14: had this depiction of this thing, and it was supposed
Speaker 14: to be like the protector of the copper. So in
Speaker 14: a weird way, like it seems like folklore usually ends
Speaker 14: up reflecting whatever's happening in that region. So considering people
Speaker 14: are coming over and stealing the copper, essentially mining the copper,
Speaker 14: it would make sense they end up having this water
Speaker 14: panther deity that they saw that protected the copper. And
Speaker 14: then in turn, I mean passing those stories along, everybody
Speaker 14: is a little bit more like, oh, we know what
Speaker 14: could possibly be out here because they're not familiar with
Speaker 14: the territory. So starting up some folklore just to keep
Speaker 14: people away, like you, kind brings in a new perspective
Speaker 14: to the water panther concept when you kind of look
Speaker 14: at it from that possible viewpoint that it's created to
Speaker 14: protect the area, and you know, it's kind of side
Speaker 14: tangent with it protects the copper, but like bringing a
Speaker 14: whole other facet into it.
Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, I love that. Man, I have not
Speaker 7: heard that before. That is incredible. I know there's an
Speaker 7: episode that I've been working on and it's just kind
Speaker 7: of on the shelf right now. I'm going to put
Speaker 7: it out eventually, but it has to do with the
Speaker 7: Great Lakes area. It has to do with cults and
Speaker 7: sea monsters or lake monsters, I should say, and pointing
Speaker 7: back to the story you just told, there are petrock
Speaker 7: glyphs and rock carvings of the sea monsters that the
Speaker 7: Native Americans etched, and it does have there's a spiritual
Speaker 7: element to the lore where there's one story where there
Speaker 7: was a big storm on one of the lakes and
Speaker 7: some of these Native Americans were caught out there on
Speaker 7: the storm and one of these sea monsters. Because they
Speaker 7: they were in touch with the spiritual and sacred aspect
Speaker 7: of this creature, they were able to follow it to
Speaker 7: shore safely in the middle of the storm. So there
Speaker 7: there's just like, like what you're saying is like a
Speaker 7: multifaceted sacred component to a lot of these cryptids, and
Speaker 7: I just really see it really shining in that area
Speaker 7: of Michigan in the Great Lakes. And uh, there was
Speaker 7: another one. I'm just gonna throw this in because we're
Speaker 7: talking about cryptids, but there was another one that I
Speaker 7: came across. I think this is a Northern Michigan cryptid.
Speaker 7: It's called maymey Guashi. It's sometimes called the Michigan Merman.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the water panther. That's what I was saying.
Speaker 14: It the same one, Okay, okay, because that was the
Speaker 14: name that I like knew it begin with an end.
Speaker 14: But I wasn't gonna just try to pull the name
Speaker 14: out of my ass, like I knew that it was.
Speaker 14: I didn't like see the spelling over in my head,
Speaker 14: but I wasn't gonna make an attempt at is. I
Speaker 14: just Landman terms it and called it the water panther.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, Well I'll tell you this then, since we
Speaker 7: talked we mentioned Bigfoot in the pre role. There's a
Speaker 7: group there's an old account I saw recently. It's a
Speaker 7: group of people in the seventeen hundreds. They were up
Speaker 7: there in northern Michigan, I believe, and they actually testified
Speaker 7: under oath that they saw a what they called a
Speaker 7: Merman child on what's called Pie Island. And when you
Speaker 7: look closely at the details, it may have been less
Speaker 7: of a murhman or merbying and more of like a
Speaker 7: wet monkey like Bigfoot like child, because when you get
Speaker 7: into the details of that account, they were talking about
Speaker 7: it having hair, it was hairy, and it maybe just
Speaker 7: looked amphibious at a distance because it was so wet.
Speaker 7: But I looked into it and right next to that
Speaker 7: Pie Island is an island called Isle Royal and it
Speaker 7: has a place called Windigo National Park. So it's like cryptid,
Speaker 7: you know, heaven up there. It's crazy.
Speaker 12: Man.
Speaker 14: We even got like the Lake Michigan Triangle, so like
Speaker 14: in that it's like the one corner of it goes
Speaker 14: to like Bray Road, and that's over you know obviously
Speaker 14: in Wisconsin or not Wisconsin. What's state is that that's Illinois,
Speaker 14: and then the other side of it touches Michigan, and
Speaker 14: then the other bottom of it goes to I believe
Speaker 14: Indiana or something goes it basically like hits the corner
Speaker 14: where Lake Michigan's at, where like one side touches the
Speaker 14: bottom the one side and then over on Michigan. But
Speaker 14: the spot that it touches over in Michigan is one
Speaker 14: of the top like per capita UFO abduction areas, like
Speaker 14: it's supposed to be like the third leading place, like
Speaker 14: at least back in the seventies that like I think
Speaker 14: it was some ridiculous number like two and five would
Speaker 14: say that they've had like an abduction experience in this area,
Speaker 14: and that's where like part of the Lake Michigan triangle
Speaker 14: phenomenon started. I feel it was like with that center point,
Speaker 14: because usually people kind of create these triangles from big
Speaker 14: events and then they start realizing that everything kind of
Speaker 14: falls within the center of that, and even falling in
Speaker 14: the center of that man on the other side, it
Speaker 14: still kind of touches the lake. Is like Chicago and
Speaker 14: stuff like that, kind of touching into the part of
Speaker 14: the triangle. And everybody knows the whole thing with Chicago
Speaker 14: with all these like flying humanoids and everything, all the
Speaker 14: UFO sidings and everything that are near the O'Hare airport,
Speaker 14: so that still kind of comes full circle into that
Speaker 14: with Bray Road and everything, and then going a little
Speaker 14: bit north. I know that this is becoming a little
Speaker 14: bit more popularized. There's not a lot of research really
Speaker 14: done on it yet because it's a hard spot to
Speaker 14: get to. But you have basically the like Lake Michigan
Speaker 14: like Stonehenge is the best way to describe it. Yeah,
Speaker 14: it's like a little bit off into the water, but
Speaker 14: it's completely like in the water. So that's where somebody
Speaker 14: discovered it. I believe within the last like five ten years,
Speaker 14: and they haven't really been able to get down there
Speaker 14: enough to really do much research with it, but they
Speaker 14: know that there's this other Metholithic structure that exists there.
Speaker 14: And it also again kind of falls into the phenomenon
Speaker 14: of the Lake Michigan Triangle, which again, like you start
Speaker 14: diving into those things and a lot of people kind
Speaker 14: of theorize that they could potentially be portals, ways to
Speaker 14: open differ or gates different things. So is it like,
Speaker 14: is the reason why the Lake Michigan Triangle is active
Speaker 14: is because of that being there? Or is it possible
Speaker 14: that that's there because it's an active area and it
Speaker 14: would like enhance it possibly like something kind of weird
Speaker 14: to think about, But there's so much weird stuff going
Speaker 14: on in Lake Michigan, and we haven't even talked about
Speaker 14: like Lake Superior, that's like a whole other monstrall on
Speaker 14: its own, and that's where the water panther is. And
Speaker 14: I mean on top of that, you have one of
Speaker 14: the deepest, coldest, uh freshwater lakes I believe, on the planet.
Speaker 14: And the whole thing with that is that there's so
Speaker 14: many ghost stories that go to it because when the
Speaker 14: water is that cold, and it stays that cold year
Speaker 14: round because it's so deep, Like nothing ends up floating
Speaker 14: back up, So everything that sinks just stays sunk. And
Speaker 14: like the wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald was one that
Speaker 14: you know a lot of people know that Gordon Whitefootz
Speaker 14: song and all that. Like the reason why it wasn't
Speaker 14: found until years later was because it happened in Lake Superior.
Speaker 14: Completely sank down, no bodies were found, No bodies or
Speaker 14: anything floated up from it. So knowing that about Lake
Speaker 14: Lake Superior or too, it kind of feels like it
Speaker 14: might play a tie in with the whole monster lake
Speaker 14: monster folklore that you know, there's two sides of it,
Speaker 14: you know, I definitely think there's a possibility that people
Speaker 14: were seeing things out there. But on the other side
Speaker 14: of it, there's got to be a good portion of
Speaker 14: it that was created off the fact that when nothing
Speaker 14: floats up, you know, what are these people going to
Speaker 14: assume that more than likely something ate it. So, I
Speaker 14: mean that could be a good portion of where some
Speaker 14: of these lake monsters stories come from. It's just the
Speaker 14: fact that things don't float up, and they were trying
Speaker 14: to rationally explain it in a time where they didn't
Speaker 14: have the same science that we do today to know that,
Speaker 14: you know, it's too cold for anything to float back up.
Speaker 7: But these are in my mind, these aren't just lakes.
Speaker 7: These are like freshwater oceans. And I really think, you know,
Speaker 7: we have a lot of aquifers here on this continent,
Speaker 7: and I think that some of these walk these underground
Speaker 7: oceans essentially, is what these aquifers are. I think some
Speaker 7: of those connect to the lakes, and there's this whole
Speaker 7: underground network of waterways that we don't even know much about.
Speaker 7: So the extent of wildlife down there is, I think,
Speaker 7: is something. It's a frontier that we haven't tapped yet.
Speaker 7: And I think Michigan, if I'm correct, has like three
Speaker 7: to four possibly more lake monster you know lake monsters
Speaker 7: essentially with names and everything that multiple people have seen.
Speaker 7: And what's interesting with the Michigan side of this is
Speaker 7: that there's some of these lake monsters were once known
Speaker 7: to be horned serpents and they were called great horned serpents.
Speaker 7: And I just think that's wild that not only do
Speaker 7: you have a serpentine dragging like lake monster, but it
Speaker 7: also has horns that seems like it goes back to
Speaker 7: an earlier era as well, you know, with dragon lorens
Speaker 7: and such.
Speaker 14: I mean even diving into like the whole antlered or
Speaker 14: horned serpent. I mean, that's something that you see across
Speaker 14: multiple cultures because the Cherokee have the uktena oh uk
Speaker 14: t e n n or t e n a, and
Speaker 14: that's essentially like an antlered like a horn. It's it's
Speaker 14: a horn serpent, but usually it's depicted with like antlers,
Speaker 14: because you know, the Native American perspective on stuff. But
Speaker 14: I mean, that's something that you see throughout multiple cultures,
Speaker 14: especially Cherokees, and these giant snakes being in the Americas
Speaker 14: and everything like that. But I'm trying to catch my
Speaker 14: train at thought. I had another really good point. I
Speaker 14: was gonna make what was the last part of what
Speaker 14: you were saying here?
Speaker 7: Well, I'll toss this in because I forget what the
Speaker 7: last part of my thing was. But I'll say this
Speaker 7: because this goes back to something you said. You were
Speaker 7: talking about the the the Michigan Stonehenge and how you're
Speaker 7: theorizing is is it there as like an enhancer for
Speaker 7: you know, the the spirituality of the place. Essentially, they
Speaker 7: are metaphysics of the place, and I think that there
Speaker 7: is there's definitely something old and sacred about this area
Speaker 7: of Michigan. And I came across this healer from Estonia
Speaker 7: who moved here to the States in the late eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 7: and he was this famous actor in Dresden and Berlin,
Speaker 7: but something attracted him to Michigan and to an island
Speaker 7: specifically out on Lake Michigan. So he comes out and
Speaker 7: he relocates himself to this island in Michigan, and it's
Speaker 7: this ancient place where there was something tangibly sacred going
Speaker 7: on that drew him in. It's absolutely crazy. So there's
Speaker 7: I think, with all these legends and the Lord, you
Speaker 7: have something. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.
Speaker 12: The phenomenon, I mean, it's definitely a double sided thing.
Speaker 14: Where Like specifically Detroit, you see a lot of these
Speaker 14: like strange occult connections. Like there's a music venue. Everybody
Speaker 14: associates it as a music venue now, but it's the
Speaker 14: Masonic Temple, and when you actually start looking into the
Speaker 14: history of it, like that was one of the Masonic
Speaker 14: temples that like Crowley himself or Alistair Crowley himself actually
Speaker 14: started back in like nineteen twenty something and he like
Speaker 14: started this temple, set it all up, and then like
Speaker 14: never ended up coming back to it. But there's like
Speaker 14: this weird underlying like a cult history within specifically like
Speaker 14: the Detroit area, and like I'm sure you've probably heard
Speaker 14: about it, but like the Nine Rouge, which is like
Speaker 14: this little like red demon looking imp that supposedly has
Speaker 14: sightings near Detroit. You start diving into that and it's
Speaker 14: like it's almost like one of those weird things where
Speaker 14: you don't quite know where to go with it because
Speaker 14: you hear the depiction of it and you associate it
Speaker 14: with like maybe something that's like more on the demonic side,
Speaker 14: which would explain why there's so much like a cult
Speaker 14: stuff that happens in Detroit. Is maybe there's a link
Speaker 14: to that. But on the other side of it, like Detroit,
Speaker 14: like the area was founded by I don't remember his
Speaker 14: first name, but his last name was Cadillac, which is
Speaker 14: why you know the car company Cadillac came to be.
Speaker 14: But there's like this whole thing where he supposedly had
Speaker 14: seen this thing too, Like there's generations and generations of
Speaker 14: people seeing this nine rouge, and it usually a scene
Speaker 14: right before like a tragic or like really really bad
Speaker 14: event ends up happening, like we had really really bad
Speaker 14: racial riots back in the day. And supposedly like that
Speaker 14: thing was seen by like groups of people right before
Speaker 14: all this stuff started. Actually a different Cadillac, but the
Speaker 14: guy who owned the Cadillac car company right before he
Speaker 14: had like a big downfall with this company, he claims
Speaker 14: that he had seen this thing, and he also claimed
Speaker 14: that he saw it before he ended up going on
Speaker 14: to his like deathbad. So again, like they all describe
Speaker 14: it as like this little, like if looking thing, and
Speaker 14: it's like, is it something that's occult related or on
Speaker 14: the other side, I mean, because the occult and paganism
Speaker 14: seem to kind of have this like side tangent with
Speaker 14: each other that it's just like a different viewpoint and
Speaker 14: faction of it. Because you know, most people associate paganism
Speaker 14: and occultism as like the full on same thing, but
Speaker 14: at least like when I talk to people, they're definitely
Speaker 14: in the same van I'm not gonna deny that, but
Speaker 14: it seems like most pagans are a bit more natural
Speaker 14: like Earth Base, where the occult stuff is obviously like
Speaker 14: the dark stuff that people start getting into, like you know,
Speaker 14: methods of how to control people, methods about how to
Speaker 14: use like different types of dark magic and stuff. But
Speaker 14: the pagan stuff seems to be a little bit more
Speaker 14: like nature based, so like the pagan viewpoint of that, Like,
Speaker 14: is it possible that this nine Rouge might actually be
Speaker 14: some form of like a like a forest spirit or
Speaker 14: something like that, or like something that was a little
Speaker 14: bit more along the lines of like pan or.
Speaker 12: Something like that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, something that it was intended to protect the area,
Speaker 14: and people see it before bad events, not because it's
Speaker 14: a harbinger of doom or something like the Mothman, but
Speaker 14: rather that it's like still angry that we're in this area,
Speaker 14: and maybe it's the reason those events start. So it's
Speaker 14: not that it's warning people of it, but it's starting
Speaker 14: these events every now and then just to try to
Speaker 14: get people out of this sacred area to whatever that
Speaker 14: being might be. But I mean, they're supposedly these festivals
Speaker 14: were people dress up and like go around doing it
Speaker 14: in Detroit, but anybody it's not familiar with Detroit, like
Speaker 14: it sounds good in practice, it sounds fun, It sounds
Speaker 14: like something you want to go do if you're into cryptids,
Speaker 14: but being from Detroit, like not my scene. Like Detroit
Speaker 14: isn't the safest place in the world where you just
Speaker 14: want to be like walking around having fun in like
Speaker 14: a costume and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's not. It's not Marty Gras.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's not Marty Grass.
Speaker 14: I mean, like it sounds interesting, but like I don't
Speaker 14: know if I necessarily want to get involved in doing
Speaker 14: that at least.
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, that is such a I've heard of that
Speaker 7: and I've read. Thank you for sharing it because there's
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff that a lot of details that
Speaker 7: you just filled me in on that I wasn't aware of.
Speaker 7: With that Red Little Earth, it's like an urban cryptid.
Speaker 7: That's the weirdest thing. But I like your period.
Speaker 14: It's back to the beginning of Detroit though, which is
Speaker 14: the weird part about it. So people associate it more
Speaker 14: with like an urban legend, but it has roots all
Speaker 14: the way back to like the formation of the city,
Speaker 14: with like the original like fur Trapper Cadillac.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's I think a lot of these like
Speaker 7: for instance, slender Man. I'm not going to go into it,
Speaker 7: but I think that it goes back to an earlier spirit,
Speaker 7: like a regional spirit, right, And I like nlusifilea is
Speaker 7: what the Native Americans call it. Those are real tall, tall, slender, dark,
Speaker 7: shadowy creature who had a lot of the same actions
Speaker 7: and mannerisms that we see with slender Man. And it's like, well,
Speaker 7: did that whatever that is, that entity did it somehow
Speaker 7: managed to find its way into into our technology and
Speaker 7: come through and manifest that way. But you know, going
Speaker 7: back to this pagan occult stuff within the cities, that's
Speaker 7: really fascinating stuff. And I came across a love crafty
Speaker 7: and cult that was based out of Chicago, and what
Speaker 7: they were doing was they were driving out into more
Speaker 7: remote areas. They were even going as far as Wisconsin,
Speaker 7: and they were going to lakes to do rituals. So
Speaker 7: that opened up this whole door for me into this
Speaker 7: world of lakes and essentially witchcraft because they were harnessing
Speaker 7: the power of the water. It's something to do with
Speaker 7: the water. I think, like a lot of the the
Speaker 7: like this conversation that we've had so far today, there's
Speaker 7: one of the key components is there's large bodies of
Speaker 7: water nearby and something.
Speaker 14: To think about with that too. First of all, like
Speaker 14: Crowley claimed that he was the one that like made
Speaker 14: the Lockness monster appear in Lake Lockness from doing rituals,
Speaker 14: So just like something to kind of think about on
Speaker 14: that side tangent with that. But even in Michigan, it's
Speaker 14: like you have Presse, which is basically like our variation
Speaker 14: of like this pleasiosaur kind of described like being a creature.
Speaker 14: So I mean getting into the whole concept of like portals, vibration, frequency,
Speaker 14: Like clearly there's something to it, and we're starting to
Speaker 14: prove that even in like mainstream signs that they're everything
Speaker 14: that you see, everything you experience, it all breaks down
Speaker 14: to like vibration and frequency. So if you're trying to
Speaker 14: open up portals, you're trying to open up riffs water itself,
Speaker 14: you can play a vibration on it, a frequency on it,
Speaker 14: and it'll ripple and it'll create these patterns. So I'm
Speaker 14: wondering if that plays a factor that it's more so
Speaker 14: that you could potentially do it anywhere, but it's enhanced
Speaker 14: in places of water because of the fact that the
Speaker 14: medium you can make it essentially like create shapes and
Speaker 14: patterns from projecting vibration and frequencies on it. So in turn,
Speaker 14: it might like amplify the abilities of these portal locations
Speaker 14: where maybe rather than just hearing voices on the other
Speaker 14: side of it, or hearing like you know, ominous disembodied
Speaker 14: beings on the other side of it, rather it creates
Speaker 14: like a medium that these things might potentially be able
Speaker 14: to pass through. And then when you start diving into that, man,
Speaker 14: like a lot of the UFO stuff, Man, everybody's claiming
Speaker 14: these things are coming from the water, and everybody's trying
Speaker 14: to say that they're terrestrial and they're not extraterrestrial, like
Speaker 14: to side of that, I mean, it's definitely something I
Speaker 14: take into consideration that at least from the appearance of
Speaker 14: these things, you know, they could definitely be some type
Speaker 14: of underground dwelling being. But if you're looking at it
Speaker 14: from that perspective, like maybe they are coming from somewhere
Speaker 14: else and they're again just using the water as a medium.
Speaker 7: Well, I think there might be a little bit of
Speaker 7: both going on. Honestly, Like if you not right now
Speaker 7: because there's snow on the ground here but and other
Speaker 7: parts of the country, but if you go out in
Speaker 7: your backyard during the summer, and you just take a moment,
Speaker 7: just sit down in the grass and just look down.
Speaker 7: Go anywhere in your backyard and just look down, and
Speaker 7: you're going to see that the ground is teeming with life.
Speaker 7: And if you were to take a shovel at a
Speaker 7: random spot in your yard and just dig up a
Speaker 7: piece of the earth, you're going to see more life
Speaker 7: that you didn't know was there. It's just and like
Speaker 7: a lot of times when I'm in my backyard in
Speaker 7: the summertime, I usually see an insect or something that
Speaker 7: I had no idea existed. So what if the supernatural
Speaker 7: realm is the same way, And what if we have
Speaker 7: these entities like that people are talking about during their
Speaker 7: DMT experiences, like these dimensional types, And then what if
Speaker 7: we have a faction of cryptids I guess, I don't
Speaker 7: know what, a faction of aliens, what we would call aliens,
Speaker 7: some sort of other rice living in the ocean as well.
Speaker 14: I mean, I could definitely see the possibility of the
Speaker 14: fact that I've kind of wondered this myself, if the
Speaker 14: best way to interact with your environment will inevitably end
Speaker 14: up in some type of like humanoid type form that
Speaker 14: you'll eventually get to a point where the best way
Speaker 14: to interact to your environment, especially if you're an intelligent being,
Speaker 14: is to be able to move freely around while also
Speaker 14: being able to grab and experience your surroundings with hands
Speaker 14: or some form of like appendage or something, so that
Speaker 14: you can interact properly with the environment. So at least
Speaker 14: maybe that would work a little bit differently on other
Speaker 14: planets where like the atmosphere is different, like there may
Speaker 14: be not even necessarily carbon based, but at least on
Speaker 14: this planet, the way that we've adapted to be this
Speaker 14: apex predator of the planet. If there are other things
Speaker 14: that could potentially get to that point, my assumption would
Speaker 14: be that they would eventually adapt to a point where
Speaker 14: they would essentially be this humanoid type form, because that
Speaker 14: would be the end all, be all best form in
Speaker 14: order to navigate on this planet. So if you consider
Speaker 14: the fact of like different things possibly fitting into different niches,
Speaker 14: you know, there's the humans of the land, which would essentially,
Speaker 14: you know, that's what we would be, Like. I don't
Speaker 14: see it as completely unplausible that there would also be
Speaker 14: a mutation that would adapt to be the the humanoid
Speaker 14: version for the sea, and then the humanoid version for
Speaker 14: the forest or the mountains, because we are not existing
Speaker 14: in that niche, which could be where like the sasquatch,
Speaker 14: and it fits in and at least for that one,
Speaker 14: you talk to a lot of like natives and stuff
Speaker 14: like that, and they basically will describe it as not
Speaker 14: so much as like an animal, not so much as
Speaker 14: like some type of interdimensional type being, but rather that
Speaker 14: they're like the apex of what we're intended to be
Speaker 14: if we would have lived by like the rules of nature.
Speaker 14: So if you're viewing it from that point, that there
Speaker 14: may have been this diverging point where different things went
Speaker 14: in different directions and continue to adapt differently. I mean,
Speaker 14: that could one explain the mermaid phenomenon that people experience,
Speaker 14: because there would have been a section of it that
Speaker 14: would have eventually went to the water, just like how
Speaker 14: this little tiny rat looking creature ended up turning into
Speaker 14: a whale. It's because it went to the water and
Speaker 14: it was able to expand and it adapted to fit
Speaker 14: into that niche. And then you have again the ones
Speaker 14: that stayed in the forest up in the mountains, and
Speaker 14: that's where you get the you know Sasquatch, Yeti, Yawi,
Speaker 14: any of the different names Alda Massi in Russia if
Speaker 14: you want to call it that. And then on the
Speaker 14: other side of it too, this is where the other
Speaker 14: niche kind of comes in. The whole great concept that
Speaker 14: you know, you had like the natives that would described
Speaker 14: like the moon eyed people, and they were described as
Speaker 14: these things that had these giant black eyes. They wouldn't
Speaker 14: necessarily not necessarily black, but these giant eyes that they adapted.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they were nocturnal.
Speaker 14: Yepes, because that's where the name comes from from moon
Speaker 14: eyed people, is that they were only able to see
Speaker 14: like when it was dark out, when it was nighttime.
Speaker 14: So assumably like that's an adaptation that you end up
Speaker 14: seeing with things that are under the dwell underground, like
Speaker 14: you see that with like you know, those fish species
Speaker 14: or those lizard species that end up existing in a
Speaker 14: cave for a really long time. Either one they'll end
Speaker 14: up developing larger eyes where they can take in more
Speaker 14: light and they can sense things around them, or on
Speaker 14: the other end, they'll develop further into their other senses
Speaker 14: completely lose the eyes in general. So it seems like
Speaker 14: there would also be a niche for something eventually going
Speaker 14: on underground. So it's like, is the gray concept that
Speaker 14: does that fall in with the moon eyed people thing?
Speaker 14: Does that fall in with all these weird cave dwelling
Speaker 14: type creatures that people see and describe that all seem
Speaker 14: to have this like gray tone with like giant black eyes.
Speaker 14: Like I feel like there's these multiple niches where you're
Speaker 14: gonna need that end all be all apex predator and
Speaker 14: if there's a sense of intelligence to them, you know,
Speaker 14: they're gonna avoid the other ones. And we just might
Speaker 14: be the ignorant ones because we think that we rule
Speaker 14: all the land. But that's because these other things that
Speaker 14: could easily like basically like turn on us and eventually
Speaker 14: get to a point where they could probably take us out.
Speaker 14: Like we're completely oblivious to them and for time like
Speaker 14: they don't exist, But like is that the Definitely.
Speaker 7: They're definitely there's a there is an intelligence, you know,
Speaker 7: and going into keel And and I know I've talked
Speaker 7: about him enough on here, but you know he was
Speaker 7: he would often refer to the phenomenon as as an
Speaker 7: intelligence that kind of had different ways of manifesting itself.
Speaker 7: And then you also have a very more like ancient
Speaker 7: scripture folklore type of a perspective that I find very
Speaker 7: interesting from the Book of Enoch, where there's a translation
Speaker 7: there where it seems like there was some sort of
Speaker 7: a cosmic struggle and between all these different entities, and
Speaker 7: some of them fell to Earth, and wherever they landed,
Speaker 7: they became a a cryptid, an enhanced cryptid, geared towards
Speaker 7: that specific region. So if they landed in water, they
Speaker 7: became mermaids. If they landed on in the forest, maybe
Speaker 7: they became a fairy or woodland spirit or or a
Speaker 7: protector of the woods like Bigfoot. So there's there's I
Speaker 7: think it's a I'm I like that there's a mystery
Speaker 7: to this. I like to you know, we're throwing out ideas,
Speaker 7: and they're all very interesting ideas. But end of the day,
Speaker 7: the fact that this is a just a giant mystery
Speaker 7: that we can kind of chase after, there's something to
Speaker 7: be said about that. There's gold in the mysteries. And
Speaker 7: and I think that these cryptid stories, and we've talked
Speaker 7: about a lot of cryptids so far, uh, they speak
Speaker 7: to the mystery of this planet. And and there are
Speaker 7: so many accounts of people seeing these not and not
Speaker 7: everybody's lying, So it just blows me away sometimes how
Speaker 7: how weird and magical this place really is. And I
Speaker 7: know that you have a story too, I'm excited to
Speaker 7: get into that. But uh, and it was in Michigan.
Speaker 7: So what about where did you where? Because I don't
Speaker 7: know where did you grow up in Michigan? Did you
Speaker 7: say it was southern?
Speaker 14: Yeah, southern, well, southeastern Michigan, near like the Detroit area.
Speaker 14: I grew up like north of Detroit, but all like
Speaker 14: the suburban type areas and then going out into like
Speaker 14: the country areas. But for anybody that's not familiar with
Speaker 14: the area, it's just easier just to say Detroit, the
Speaker 14: Detroit area.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got you. Did you see did you have
Speaker 7: any Do you know anybody who saw the nine Rouge?
Speaker 3: Is that what it's called?
Speaker 12: I have not.
Speaker 14: It's an E I N R O g U E.
Speaker 14: So it's French for for red and then the nine part.
Speaker 14: I don't know what that is offhand, but I know
Speaker 14: like in German it means no, so like no red.
Speaker 14: But I don't think they're gonna be mixing languages between
Speaker 14: German and French. So it's got to be something else
Speaker 14: with that.
Speaker 7: But oh yeah, man, that's I'm glad you brought that.
Speaker 7: I really am glad you brought that up today, because
Speaker 7: that's such a wild cryptid. You know, I've read about it.
Speaker 7: I've seen depictions of it too, where it's like this
Speaker 7: little red devil looking.
Speaker 12: Creature but it's like a nymph.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But I think I mentioned when to go earlier.
Speaker 7: I wanted to sprinkle that in because I think, if
Speaker 7: I'm getting this correct, you do have some sort of
Speaker 7: a wind to go story, right.
Speaker 12: Yes, I have.
Speaker 14: I have that experience, and then I also have some
Speaker 14: sasquatch research that I was doing on the other side
Speaker 14: of the state, which is near like where the Dewey
Speaker 14: Lake monster settings and stuff were. So I don't know
Speaker 14: which one you want to tackle first, because if you
Speaker 14: open up Bigfoot again, it might turn into a whole
Speaker 14: other can of worms. But I also have another can
Speaker 14: of worms I can open as far as like my
Speaker 14: explanation as to where I've kind of come as far
Speaker 14: as researching after like my main experience that kind of
Speaker 14: pushed me into where I am now with podcasting and
Speaker 14: researching and doing all this stuff. I do because you
Speaker 14: have like these weird events and then you just have
Speaker 14: that one that's like the turning point. Then after that,
Speaker 14: it's like you put so much time and effort into
Speaker 14: researching that, and then it just branches into the other
Speaker 14: things and then next thing you know, you're running a podcast.
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, which one was it for you? That
Speaker 7: was the milestone turning point?
Speaker 14: Which experience that would have been the I don't even
Speaker 14: like calling it a wind to go, Like I definitely
Speaker 14: come to that conclusion, at least from my research, but
Speaker 14: I'm definitely open to other people's interpretation and explanation of
Speaker 14: what it could possibly be, because when it comes to
Speaker 14: this phenomenon, I mean, it's all all of us creating
Speaker 14: theories and it ends up becoming whatever makes the most
Speaker 14: sense to you.
Speaker 12: And that's kind of what.
Speaker 14: I came to was the wind to go, but not
Speaker 14: how people imagine the wind to go, which is this
Speaker 14: whole backstory explanation I can get into a bit, But
Speaker 14: that would have definitely been like the turning point, because
Speaker 14: even within that, I saw that within the phenomenon and
Speaker 14: explanations of phenomenon, there's a lot of divergence and like
Speaker 14: mixing of folklore with the whole concept of like how
Speaker 14: history is written, where like it's written by the victor
Speaker 14: whoever ends up conquering the area has this weird way
Speaker 14: of manipulating whatever the original folklore was, and that definitely
Speaker 14: seems to be what happened with the whole Windigo concept,
Speaker 14: especially after like putting a ridiculous amount of research into it.
Speaker 7: Well that's cool, man, it seems like you've let's touch
Speaker 7: on that a little bit, and you can tell that
Speaker 7: story too if you want, because it sounds like you've
Speaker 7: kind of grown with this story.
Speaker 14: It's one of those weird stories where it's like the
Speaker 14: farther it gets, I don't even like calling it a
Speaker 14: story because story kind of seems like it has the
Speaker 14: connotation of like I definitely saw something. It was definitely
Speaker 14: something that wasn't normal, and I've tried to explain it since,
Speaker 14: but it's like the more that time goes on, the
Speaker 14: more you like question yourself about it even more, and
Speaker 14: it's like, is that really what I saw? Or you
Speaker 14: get to a point where it's like you just get
Speaker 14: established with this is what I experienced at least, so
Speaker 14: then you end up unintentionally creating this like bias over
Speaker 14: the experience, and it just sucks that the farther away
Speaker 14: from it you get it's the less of a grasp.
Speaker 14: You really feel like you had on even understanding it
Speaker 14: in the first place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'll say this too about the Wind to Go.
Speaker 7: I think that maybe it's been misinterpreted. I may maybe
Speaker 7: these images that come to mind of this big, you know, daunting,
Speaker 7: antler to thing, maybe that's not what this is, because
Speaker 7: I I think it comes from alguankin h folklore, from
Speaker 7: Native American folklore, and from the cases I've studied, it
Speaker 7: seems like which there are hundreds of documented cases of
Speaker 7: this where people killed other people because they said they
Speaker 7: were taken over by this, so it was almost like
Speaker 7: a spirit.
Speaker 12: See.
Speaker 14: I guess this kind of opens up the can of
Speaker 14: worms for me to at least get into where I
Speaker 14: think the differentiation came in. And I don't know if
Speaker 14: anybody else has necessarily thrown this theory, but this is
Speaker 14: at least the conclusion that I ended up coming to.
Speaker 14: So what most people would describe as the Wind to
Speaker 14: Go is this half monster, dear headed, skulled, antlered type being.
Speaker 14: But the natives did not describe it that way, and
Speaker 14: when it goes one of those things, it's kind of
Speaker 14: like sasquatch that depending on the tribe, there's the same
Speaker 14: being that's described, but it has different names. Like there's
Speaker 14: the Wachugay, there's another example for it. Like it's something
Speaker 14: that's seen mixed throughout it, Like it's not just specific
Speaker 14: to like one Native American culture, mainly stuff more towards
Speaker 14: the north. But I'll kind of get into like more
Speaker 14: of the explanation with that as we keep going. But
Speaker 14: so the image of the Windygo is not how the
Speaker 14: Native Americans would have described it. They described it as
Speaker 14: this tall, lanky, almost zombie like creature that would be
Speaker 14: so so have such a thirst and hunger that it
Speaker 14: would eventually end up like eating its lips off. And
Speaker 14: so basically it's described as this like tall, lanky, zombie
Speaker 14: like creature. So the whole idea of the Windygo as
Speaker 14: people describe it now, I think, was one of those
Speaker 14: things where it was the same as like what the
Speaker 14: settlers did as they came across renaming these Native American
Speaker 14: like sacred grounds where you know, they would say like
Speaker 14: this is whatever this location is, and they go, okay,
Speaker 14: well it's pagan.
Speaker 12: It looks like a teapot. Boom, is the devil's teapot.
Speaker 12: That's what we're gonna call it now.
Speaker 14: So they end up putting this idea of what they
Speaker 14: believe that demonic is on top of the already existing
Speaker 14: Native American folklore. So they're describing this zombie like creature
Speaker 14: to these settlers coming across, and as these settlers start
Speaker 14: retelling these stories, they start adding their depictions of what
Speaker 14: they believe is evil looking on it. So diving into
Speaker 14: again the people that were coming over here were like
Speaker 14: the Christians and you know, all the different people that
Speaker 14: were more so in that faith based and not pagan
Speaker 14: religion based, so they would demonize these things and again
Speaker 14: call things like the devil's tea kettle, and just give
Speaker 14: it this this dark connotation to it that kind of
Speaker 14: is influenced by paganism. So as they were talking about
Speaker 14: this essentially demon like creature, they started adding their flair
Speaker 14: onto it, which got into you know, it has a
Speaker 14: skull head and now it has this antler head, now
Speaker 14: it has this, and it started kind of taking on
Speaker 14: like the pagan viewpoint behind it, and the story ended
Speaker 14: up getting mixed to a point where we got to
Speaker 14: a point where it's like, does this thing even exist?
Speaker 14: People haven't seen sightings of it. There are some people
Speaker 14: that claim to see these things that are seen like this,
Speaker 14: but I honestly think that's something else that's just taking
Speaker 14: the image of something that you are already know, because
Speaker 14: there's this whole other faction the phenomenon. Because when I
Speaker 14: had my experience, I started researching into what this thing
Speaker 14: was because what I saw was tall and lanky, and
Speaker 14: again I'll get back into that story in a little bit,
Speaker 14: but it was I'd always fall back into either one
Speaker 14: the rake or the pale Crawler, and it seemed like
Speaker 14: that was a more newer that was a more new
Speaker 14: age thing that when the Windigo things started dropping off,
Speaker 14: all of a sudden, people started reporting these things, and
Speaker 14: the wind to Go stopped getting reported like that. So
Speaker 14: I think it was one of those things that once
Speaker 14: the folklore got mixed enough, people separated it, and then
Speaker 14: they started seeing this being that was just already had
Speaker 14: a name, was already described, and they had to give
Speaker 14: it a new name because it didn't fit into the
Speaker 14: viewpoint that that eventually turned into. So people started calling
Speaker 14: it stuff like the rake or the pill crawler. And
Speaker 14: I even think there's two sides even within that phenomenon
Speaker 14: that there's the wind to go side to it, and
Speaker 14: then there's this other thing that I was talking about
Speaker 14: a little bit earlier in the show about this niche
Speaker 14: of the these things living underground, and there's two sides
Speaker 14: of the phenomenon where people will see these things near
Speaker 14: like cave entrances, and they'll also see them near like
Speaker 14: snowy wooded areas, which kind of goes more into like
Speaker 14: the whole like windygo idea of things. But I think
Speaker 14: that what people are calling pale crawlers and rakes are
Speaker 14: actually Windygoes, but they didn't know the name, so he
Speaker 14: created this new name on top of it. And then
Speaker 14: as that name continued on, it started also getting mixed
Speaker 14: in with cave dweller sightings, So then pale crawler wind
Speaker 14: to go rake, like it's all consisting of essentially the
Speaker 14: same thing, and it's just miscommunication within the culture. It's
Speaker 14: like playing telephones, which you see when you start really
Speaker 14: diving into these like ancient these like folklore creatures, is
Speaker 14: that there's like this blending of you know, people that
Speaker 14: are seeing these black dogs in like West Virginia. They
Speaker 14: were people that were coming from like England. There are
Speaker 14: people that are coming from Germany and they already had
Speaker 14: these like Huntsman dog stories and these other black dog stories,
Speaker 14: and all of a sudden, these things are following them there,
Speaker 14: and it's like, are these things actually following them there?
Speaker 14: Definitely possibility. I'm not going to deny the paranormal and stuff,
Speaker 14: but you know, you have this combination where like folklore
Speaker 14: starts getting blended between cultures and then it gets so
Speaker 14: ascrewed from like what it originally was that now there's
Speaker 14: this thing that was what people were seeing and they
Speaker 14: start calling it something different because the folklore gets too
Speaker 14: out there and blended because too many people are playing
Speaker 14: telephone with it. And yeah, I definitely think that that's
Speaker 14: what ended up happening with the Windigo, And like just
Speaker 14: to get into some more explanation of these things and
Speaker 14: why I said there, usually it's they're seen across cultures,
Speaker 14: but generally stuff more towards the north. The whole thing
Speaker 14: with the Wind to Go was that it was rotting flesh,
Speaker 14: like you would end up becoming a wind to go
Speaker 14: because you resorted to cannibalism during the winter, or for
Speaker 14: example with the wachew gay. The thing with the witchew
Speaker 14: gay was that it was when you had too much pride,
Speaker 14: if you started thinking that you were better than everybody else,
Speaker 14: then you would eventually turn into this monster. And with
Speaker 14: the Native American stories, it's like, do you take it
Speaker 14: literally or is it supposed to be metaphorical for something
Speaker 14: that one you got to survive the winter, And maybe
Speaker 14: it was another description of what they were trying to
Speaker 14: describe as far as like you know, when people start
Speaker 14: eating human flesh, like you start going crazy, Like you're
Speaker 14: not supposed to eat your own species, because you even
Speaker 14: see that with other species when you feed them the
Speaker 14: same species. But like trying to describe something symbolically through
Speaker 14: a story, but on the other side, again it's like
Speaker 14: I had a weird sighting, Like we also reblending that
Speaker 14: stuff in with them trying to tell stories or was
Speaker 14: it a double faceted thing that they were like, we're
Speaker 14: seeing this weird creature, but we're also going to add
Speaker 14: this layer of a story to it to also warn
Speaker 14: people against something that they need to be aware of.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, can I jump in here for a second
Speaker 7: because I'm hearing you out, and I think that there
Speaker 7: is something psychological to this, because it seems like, yeah,
Speaker 7: it could be the human mind going crazy, but also
Speaker 7: it could be a it could be a cautionary tale
Speaker 7: of these long, harsh winters. And I think it really
Speaker 7: does come down to those winters though, like these there
Speaker 7: are these long, dark, cold winters. You know, this phenomenon
Speaker 7: comes out of Canada from what I can tell, and
Speaker 7: it's just waked colder up there, and the winters are
Speaker 7: way more extreme. And these people didn't have houses like
Speaker 7: we have today. They didn't have heat. They were they
Speaker 7: were out in the woods, many of them. And you know,
Speaker 7: you're cooped up and you're surrounded by winter. Everything's dead
Speaker 7: around you. So and if you run out of food,
Speaker 7: that's going to create a problem for you and everybody
Speaker 7: around you, especially if you have a family. And like
Speaker 7: in the case of like swift Runner, it's a famous
Speaker 7: it's attributed to a wind to go, but he was
Speaker 7: this Native American creed trapper guy in Alberta, Canada who
Speaker 7: in the eighteen hundreds killed and started eating his family
Speaker 7: while he was supposedly possessed by this demonic windigo spirit.
Speaker 14: Was that a win to it too? They supposedly said
Speaker 14: that there was also an establishment that he would have
Speaker 14: been able to get supplies, like within a distance that
Speaker 14: he could get to. So it's a matter of was
Speaker 14: the guy possessed by something or like, was it literally
Speaker 14: that resorted to it because he felt like he couldn't
Speaker 14: get to it. But there's a lot of weird stuff
Speaker 14: to that that there was literally like an outpost station
Speaker 14: like within viable distance from where he was, even though
Speaker 14: these act still ended up happening.
Speaker 12: Just sorry, I didn't interrupted.
Speaker 7: Just no, you know, that's perfect. I'm glad you added
Speaker 7: that in because that's all. That adds a lot of
Speaker 7: perspective to this. And I think that when you look
Speaker 7: at this guy, he was also a master hunter. These
Speaker 7: people knew how to live off the land. He's got
Speaker 7: the outpost in nearby, like you're saying, and he can
Speaker 7: also go out and catch some game if he needs to.
Speaker 7: Why did he resort to eating his entire family? I
Speaker 7: think maybe one kid survived. You look into it, there's something,
Speaker 7: there's something dark to this. There's something more than just
Speaker 7: going crazy out in the woods. Because it's winter time
Speaker 7: there du seem to be influenced from some other, darker,
Speaker 7: more ancient type of an intelligence.
Speaker 12: I mean, you want to get real weird with it.
Speaker 14: Man, We ended up doing an episode on all this
Speaker 14: stuff on Bizarre Encounters at one point, and we even
Speaker 14: throughout the theory of this and this is gonna sound ridiculous,
Speaker 14: but I'll kind of get full circle with this, that
Speaker 14: these windgo beings were actually starving giants during the winter,
Speaker 14: and this is kind of how we came to this conclusion.
Speaker 14: So everybody who's dived into like the Ancient America stuff,
Speaker 14: it's like, the more research you do on it, it's
Speaker 14: almost like these giant skeletons are you can't overlook them anymore,
Speaker 14: Like they're there. It's one of those things that I
Speaker 14: don't even question, Like there's so much to it and
Speaker 14: there's so much backing to it that it's clearly this
Speaker 14: cover up of history for whatever reason. I mean, I
Speaker 14: don't know if it's some grand conspiracy or rather just
Speaker 14: not wanting to change the history books, because these bigger
Speaker 14: beings were existing here, but like the natives described them,
Speaker 14: like everybody described these things. So we kind of came
Speaker 14: to the conclusion of you have a bigger body or
Speaker 14: a bigger species, you're obviously going to need to ingest
Speaker 14: more to sustain yourself. So they usually describe these windygo
Speaker 14: beings as being bigger like. They usually don't describe them
Speaker 14: typically as like human size, which is where like the
Speaker 14: tall lankiness kind of comes in. So you know, if
Speaker 14: you're viewing it from that perspective, that these things could
Speaker 14: have been the giants that were starving and they basically
Speaker 14: would go crazy and would just eat anything that they
Speaker 14: could possibly find as food definitely a possibility, and bring
Speaker 14: in an extra step farther which gets a little bit
Speaker 14: less into the more like tangible provable stuff currently you
Speaker 14: get into all the nephilim theories that people have kind
Speaker 14: of thrown in that these things were like you know,
Speaker 14: essentially they ended up turning into disembodied beings which would
Speaker 14: have inevitably turned into like kind of like what we
Speaker 14: describe as like demons now, So like the Windgo spirit,
Speaker 14: something being possessed by the Windygo spirit could have been.
Speaker 12: Could it have been that.
Speaker 14: These were giants that were starving during the winter and
Speaker 14: when they died off that evil presence that would take
Speaker 14: people over would be the fact that they were disembodied
Speaker 14: like nephylum spirits or consciousness or whatever you want to
Speaker 14: call him. So it's like two sides of the phenomenon.
Speaker 14: That there was something physical happening, but on the other
Speaker 14: side there could have definitely been something more on the
Speaker 14: spiritual side or the currently unexplained side that I like something.
Speaker 7: I like that because the more I've looked into this,
Speaker 7: and like I say, I think Canada has a lot
Speaker 7: of great folklore. I just want to add that in
Speaker 7: because I think it gets overlooked by a lot of
Speaker 7: US American podcasters, you know. So I don't know, I'm
Speaker 7: not speaking for your show. I'm just talking about other shows.
Speaker 7: I don't see a lot of emphasis being put on
Speaker 7: the stuff that happens in Canada. But the stuff up
Speaker 7: there is just wild. But I'm looking at this case.
Speaker 7: Jack Fiddler is what I was thinking about. He's this
Speaker 7: Native American win to Go Hunter, and just the fact
Speaker 7: that there's a wind to Go Hunter who it kind
Speaker 7: of leads, lends some credence to this. He's up in
Speaker 7: the boreal forests, and you know which is this? You know,
Speaker 7: very ancient sacred strip of forestry that that encircles the
Speaker 7: top of the globe, spans the top of the earth.
Speaker 7: But he claimed to have defeated fourteen windigoes in his
Speaker 7: lifetime because and some of them, he said, were sent
Speaker 7: by enemy shaman so and some were like members of
Speaker 7: his own village who were who were said to be
Speaker 7: taken over, like visibly taken over, and and like on
Speaker 7: at the drop of a hat, they went crazy, and
Speaker 7: they started trying to eat like human flesh, and and
Speaker 7: filler was was caught up in the in the mix
Speaker 7: of this war. It seemed like with these ancient spirits,
Speaker 7: and I don't know that just to me says that
Speaker 7: maybe there's more to this than just like mental illness
Speaker 7: gone awry, right, he.
Speaker 14: And this might tie into like a good spot to
Speaker 14: tell my experience, because there was definitely a physical component
Speaker 14: and then there's this other spiritual component. And I'm very
Speaker 14: logically thinking, like I dive into all of these weird topics,
Speaker 14: but I'll make some outrageous claims, but I'll like do
Speaker 14: this step by step of the information that I've had
Speaker 14: that gets me to that point, because I have to
Speaker 14: get to these ridiculous points sounding to people after first
Speaker 14: having a step by step that scientifically like makes sense
Speaker 14: to me, so like diving into like my experience.
Speaker 12: So we used to do urban exploring.
Speaker 14: At this place called Northfield Psychiatric Hospital, which is in Northfille, Michigan,
Speaker 14: and we would go there like every weekend. I'm trying,
Speaker 14: I'm trying to like I had some other weird stuff
Speaker 14: that kind of happened in the process of it, but
Speaker 14: I'm trying to condense it down a little bit. But
Speaker 14: we used to go there almost every weekend. We got
Speaker 14: to the point where we had this like whole place
Speaker 14: like mapped out. It was like a campus. It wasn't
Speaker 14: just one building, so there was like the main hospital,
Speaker 14: there was like dormitories for boys girls like this school
Speaker 14: and everything that was on there. And we would definitely,
Speaker 14: you know, we got pictures of orbs and everything like that,
Speaker 14: Like I mean, definitely could be dust, but still kind
Speaker 14: of interesting all the same that there may have been
Speaker 14: this like spiritual component to it, because a lot of
Speaker 14: people talked about this place as it was haunted, but
Speaker 14: we never really had any like crazy experiences like haunting wise,
Speaker 14: so I didn't really put much back into that component
Speaker 14: of it, but rather that it was just kind of
Speaker 14: like an old building. But the only kind of paranormal
Speaker 14: experience we really had was we were on a floor
Speaker 14: that had none of the windows broken out, and this
Speaker 14: random blue door with a giant smiley face on it
Speaker 14: slam shut. And you can hear people running around in
Speaker 14: a building that's abandoned, like everything's silent, so if anybody
Speaker 14: was messing with us, we would have heard it because
Speaker 14: the door. Second the door slam, we all froze, and
Speaker 14: we're listening for anything that made noise. And right after
Speaker 14: I opened the door and I left it just to
Speaker 14: see if it would slam shut again somehow from like
Speaker 14: a breeze or something like that. It never did. So
Speaker 14: that was the only like weird paranormal thing like that,
Speaker 14: but kind of building into this like mad experience I
Speaker 14: ended up having at this place. This may tie in
Speaker 14: with it. I always tell it as part of this
Speaker 14: because I don't know if it does. But I guess
Speaker 14: if I mentioned this part to the right person, maybe
Speaker 14: it will end up connecting some dots. But being from Michigan,
Speaker 14: like at least southern Michigan, like we don't we don't
Speaker 14: have cougars, Like you don't see big cats or anything
Speaker 14: like that around here. So behind this place there was
Speaker 14: like this little little tiny area of like forests and trees,
Speaker 14: not anything big, maybe like a quarter mile nothing ridiculous
Speaker 14: or nothing. But we're up on the third story of
Speaker 14: the building and we're looking down into like the courtyard
Speaker 14: where like the back goes into like the forest and everything,
Speaker 14: and we end up seeing this cougar that walks out
Speaker 14: of the out of the forest line and basically looks
Speaker 14: directly up at us, which seemed kind of weird for
Speaker 14: a cougar to like look up at us on the
Speaker 14: third floor, and then it just slank back into the
Speaker 14: forest or into like the wooded area. So I was like,
Speaker 14: I just saw cougar. Did anybody else see that? And
Speaker 14: my girlfriend's friend that was with us was like, no,
Speaker 14: I definitely saw that too. That was a big cat.
Speaker 14: And that was the way that we had to like
Speaker 14: leave to go out. So we ended up doing this
Speaker 14: like two mile walk all the way around this area
Speaker 14: because we didn't want to take the chance of like
Speaker 14: going through those woods and you know, come and face
Speaker 14: the face of this thing. But I ended up like
Speaker 14: looking up sightings and stuff, and there was Cooper sightings
Speaker 14: in Northfield just in that area, but nobody had ever
Speaker 14: found a body, nobody.
Speaker 12: Had ever found anything with it.
Speaker 14: So it's just this weird thing that kind of fell
Speaker 14: into like obscurity. But this is where it might kind
Speaker 14: of tie in with everything. So we'd gotten to a
Speaker 14: point where we'd been to this place so many times
Speaker 14: that we had everything mapped out. It was like almost
Speaker 14: a point where it was like, all right, we're kind
Speaker 14: of getting bored of this place. We might have to
Speaker 14: find some new place to go. But underneath is this
Speaker 14: thing called the Northfield Tunnels. And actually Linda Godfrey wrote
Speaker 14: about it in her like Weird Michigan book, These like
Speaker 14: different murders at some point that had happened in these
Speaker 14: tunnels and everything. But they're like this tunnel system that
Speaker 14: completely connects under Northfield, like it goes way past the
Speaker 14: hospital and everything else. And we hadn't really gone down
Speaker 14: there because it's completely pitch black and we didn't want
Speaker 14: to take a chance of like running out of batteries
Speaker 14: in our flashlights anything like that and basically having to
Speaker 14: scale the wall back for five miles if we just
Speaker 14: kept walking down in this area. So one day we decided,
Speaker 14: you know what, we're just gonna go in and just
Speaker 14: kind of look around to check it out. We're not
Speaker 14: gonna go too far in, We're just gonna see what's
Speaker 14: going on down there. So at the main hospital, there's
Speaker 14: you go into like the basement and it leads into
Speaker 14: the tunnels because it was supposed to be a way
Speaker 14: to like easily be able to like transfer patients during like,
Speaker 14: you know, if there was some type of weather event
Speaker 14: happening something like that. So it was just access tunnels
Speaker 14: at that point where they could bring patients through them
Speaker 14: potentially if they needed to. So we knew that there
Speaker 14: was an entrance that would go into the tunnels from
Speaker 14: down there. So it's me, my girlfriend, and one of
Speaker 14: her friends and we end up going down the stairs
Speaker 14: to go into the basement. And as we go down
Speaker 14: into the basement, there's this brick wall to the right side,
Speaker 14: and it wasn't a doorway like per se, but it
Speaker 14: looked like somebody had like removed the bricks, not like
Speaker 14: somebody kicked them out like somebody vandalizing the place, but
Speaker 14: at some point like somebody had professionally like remove these
Speaker 14: bricks to create like a little arch doorway right there, right.
Speaker 14: So I'm like, oh, that looks interesting because normally we
Speaker 14: came in from the other side, so we hadn't come
Speaker 14: down the staircase before into this basement to peek around
Speaker 14: or anything. So I go down into that area because
Speaker 14: I'm coming down the stairs and this is to my right.
Speaker 14: So I turn and I go into that room where
Speaker 14: that doorway is. I take maybe a foot and a
Speaker 14: half or so into that doorway. I have my flashlight
Speaker 14: facing forward, and I hear this disembodied voice in my
Speaker 14: right ear go row and as I hear run, I
Speaker 14: look forward and there's this metal like the hospital carts,
Speaker 14: like the little gurdy like metal hospital carts that sit
Speaker 14: in there. And this thing goes to stand up, and
Speaker 14: it was this tall, lanky, decrepit not human looking because
Speaker 14: it's fore arms, its arms like, its body wasn't shaped
Speaker 14: in proportion to like how a normal human body is shaped.
Speaker 14: And it had this bluish gray like almost decaying looking
Speaker 14: colored skin, and it had this greasy, black, lanky hair
Speaker 14: on the top of its head. And I saw this
Speaker 14: thing go to stand up, and I just see the
Speaker 14: back of this thing, and as it's standing up, I
Speaker 14: see it starting to crouch up, and I start realizing
Speaker 14: that this thing doesn't have the normal shape of a person.
Speaker 14: Because at first, you know you're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 14: it's a crackhead. You know, it's somebody that's homeless or
Speaker 14: something down in the basement. But as soon as this
Speaker 14: thing stood up and I saw the way that it
Speaker 14: was shaped, it wasn't even like that insane moment of
Speaker 14: fear where you start seeing something that's not there, Like
Speaker 14: this thing was not shaped like a normal person. And
Speaker 14: I've never seen somebody with decaying looking skin color or
Speaker 14: this like falling out patchy, black, greasy hair, so I
Speaker 14: see that back. I don't even see this thing's face.
Speaker 14: I take off up the stairs with the two with
Speaker 14: my girlfriend and her friend behind me, and they're like, well,
Speaker 14: what what, what's happening?
Speaker 12: What's happened?
Speaker 14: And I just was basically like run, let's get out,
Speaker 14: follow me, like no questions asked, Like I went into
Speaker 14: like that mode where like my main focus was I
Speaker 14: don't want to freak them out. I'm trying to get
Speaker 14: them out of here without telling them, because as soon
Speaker 14: as I tell them what I saw. They're either one
Speaker 14: gonna freeze up and try to look back and see
Speaker 14: if it's still there, or two you know, they're just
Speaker 14: gonna freak out. So it was like the best scenario
Speaker 14: was to get everybody out of the building before I
Speaker 14: tell anybody what I had seen, So I knew the
Speaker 14: direct path to get out of this place. So I
Speaker 14: got them behind me were taken off. So with that,
Speaker 14: knowing that she they had no contacts, my girlfriend, she's
Speaker 14: a photographer, she ends up taking pictures behind us as
Speaker 14: we're running out. She's not stopping to take them, she's
Speaker 14: just taking them behind us. So we end up getting
Speaker 14: back and I explained to her like what I had
Speaker 14: seen and everything, and we end up looking back through
Speaker 14: the pictures and I can send them to you actually
Speaker 14: after we finish the show. But we basically got a
Speaker 14: picture of the exact thing that I've seen. I saw,
Speaker 14: But the weird part about it was it looked like
Speaker 14: an apparition that in the picture it's transparent, like you
Speaker 14: can see through it. And I have the completely original image,
Speaker 14: and then I have an image that we lightened up
Speaker 14: just so you can see it better. But you can
Speaker 14: see the long black hair you can see the white
Speaker 14: skin on its face, like it was this weird thing
Speaker 14: where it was definitely something physical that I saw, but
Speaker 14: there was these like non physical attributes, like the voice
Speaker 14: in the side of my ear because there was nobody
Speaker 14: there because I looked to that side before I looked
Speaker 14: back at what was going on front me because I
Speaker 14: caught movement with my eye. But it just didn't know
Speaker 14: like where to like go with that information like forever,
Speaker 14: because it was so just like out there. I didn't
Speaker 14: know what to even do with that information. Like even
Speaker 14: when I first started my show, like I didn't really
Speaker 14: tell anybody about this experience because it was just so
Speaker 14: out there that it was like I didn't want to
Speaker 14: become a podcaster and started making these like oh I
Speaker 14: have this crazy story. Yeah, the reason I got into
Speaker 14: it was because I had this experience. But it wasn't
Speaker 14: until I started doing later shows that I started kind
Speaker 14: of bringing in more components to it. And like I said,
Speaker 14: with my research, I kept coming back to like Windigo
Speaker 14: even though it wasn't how it was visually described, And
Speaker 14: then I kind of came to my own conclusions and
Speaker 14: started kind of following this trail with the whole, like
Speaker 14: bringing the paganism fact into everything. But as I started
Speaker 14: doing shows and I started kind of hinting at it,
Speaker 14: I had some other people bring up some other aspects
Speaker 14: that I had overlooked that I hadn't really thought about.
Speaker 14: And part of the wind Togo legend is that you're
Speaker 14: not say, from the first snowfall to the last, so
Speaker 14: they're out when it is cold because assumably these things
Speaker 14: are like these king body flesh like they have to
Speaker 14: keep themselves like preserved, Like they're not seen during the
Speaker 14: summer because they be rotting in the human in the hot,
Speaker 14: hot summer sun. So the other aspect of the folklore
Speaker 14: that people have theorized is that these things go underground
Speaker 14: during warmer months, or you know, they bury themselves under
Speaker 14: ground during warmer months, or they go into caves or
Speaker 14: something like that during warmer months. And this would have
Speaker 14: happened in I believe spring, and the weird part was
Speaker 14: connecting back into that folklore, which is why again I'm
Speaker 14: not saying this is definitely what it was, but it's
Speaker 14: what my research has definitely pointed to. You know, the
Speaker 14: tunnels were like twenty thirty degrees colder than the surface
Speaker 14: and going into those tunnels, it just gets colder as
Speaker 14: you go in. So somebody pointed out, like it fits
Speaker 14: the lore of these things that during the warmer months
Speaker 14: they would be staying somewhere that is colder. So it
Speaker 14: like they wouldn't have left that area though, because it's
Speaker 14: like thirty degrees colder.
Speaker 12: So it makes sense to see it down there.
Speaker 14: And even the whole like spiritual aspect of these things,
Speaker 14: where there's like this internal struggle that there's, according to
Speaker 14: the folklore, this aspect that's still human inside these things,
Speaker 14: while there's also like the monster that's inside these things.
Speaker 14: And sometimes you can get to this moment where if
Speaker 14: you know the being's name when it was human, it'll
Speaker 14: freeze up and it'll have like humanity for a second
Speaker 14: before whatever the dark being is inside of it will
Speaker 14: like take back over. So justin actually from Cript to
Speaker 14: the Corn a long time ago and mentioned the fact
Speaker 14: that like, you know, I have Cherokee, Like my grandma's
Speaker 14: one hundred percent Cherokee, I'm twenty five percent. So he
Speaker 14: kind of theorized of was that disembodied voice that you
Speaker 14: heard actually the human inside of this thing that was
Speaker 14: trying to warn you to get away from it before
Speaker 14: it couldn't control itself anymore. And it basically warned you
Speaker 14: and talked to you, not necessarily because you're the first
Speaker 14: to walk in the room, but because you share the
Speaker 14: same ethnic blood. Is this thing that it didn't want
Speaker 14: to hurt you? Because on the other side of it.
Speaker 14: In Northville, there was two random deaths where somebody had
Speaker 14: like fallen down the elevator shafts at one point. And
Speaker 14: the weird part about it was, as many times as
Speaker 14: I had been there, like the elevator doors, there's no
Speaker 14: power to this place, but they weren't wide open. They
Speaker 14: were like thin cracks, Like if anybody wanted to get
Speaker 14: in those, they would have had to force themselves in it.
Speaker 14: And like, I don't know why you would have done
Speaker 14: that at that point, So then you know these things
Speaker 14: were the people. Of course, you'd fall down and be
Speaker 14: seeing at the bottom of this thing, and the bottom
Speaker 14: enters out into the basement. So then I started questioning, like,
Speaker 14: are these random deaths maybe linked to whatever this thing
Speaker 14: was that I saw? And then as I'm starting to
Speaker 14: connect all these dots, this is the last weird part
Speaker 14: of the story, they end up tearing down this building.
Speaker 14: So when it comes to weird stuff like this, I
Speaker 14: wonder if like cities are aware they hear the stories
Speaker 14: and either one they're just trying to stop the stories,
Speaker 14: or two they know something's there. And it's that whole
Speaker 14: concept of like, you know, the town at night will
Speaker 14: get together to burn down the house of the monster,
Speaker 14: and then the next morning they're all.
Speaker 12: Like, oh, what happened to that house?
Speaker 14: Nobody knows anything about it now, So it's like they're
Speaker 14: aware of it, but they're just gonna pretend like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 14: we just you know, we want to turn it into
Speaker 14: a park, like there's nothing going on there.
Speaker 12: What are you talking about?
Speaker 7: You know? On the the aspect of paganism or spirituality,
Speaker 7: I do want to throw in that the cougar aspect
Speaker 7: of this story. Cougars are associated traditionally with shaman and
Speaker 7: shape shifters.
Speaker 14: And that's the other part that I was saying that
Speaker 14: It's like I feel like it ties in because that's
Speaker 14: not an animal that's in this region, especially not near
Speaker 14: the Detroit area specifically.
Speaker 12: Like this is weird, you know, like.
Speaker 7: H and I also see I see your struggle with
Speaker 7: do I call it a wind to go, or do
Speaker 7: I not call it.
Speaker 11: A wind to go?
Speaker 7: And I also see why you've just went ahead and said, Okay, well,
Speaker 7: for sake of a title, we'll just call it a
Speaker 7: wind to go. That that makes sense too, because this
Speaker 7: could very well be that.
Speaker 14: And uh, you know, I like putting the asterisks just
Speaker 14: because I am open to other ideas. But like I've
Speaker 14: said a bunch of times, like that's where my recent
Speaker 14: or just led. That's I'm not saying that's what it is.
Speaker 14: I'm saying that that's that's the end that I keep
Speaker 14: ending up at.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And like for me with with my the study
Speaker 7: I've done with this and what this crypt did, I
Speaker 7: think that And this is just my opinion. I think
Speaker 7: it's a spirit that waited for people to be at
Speaker 7: their weakest. Of course, so that of course happens during
Speaker 7: winter and when people were in the middle of that
Speaker 7: dense winter, or they were very hungry and and sort
Speaker 7: of I don't know, depleted from lack of sunlight, and
Speaker 7: if they're venturing out for food, this thing will pounce,
Speaker 7: it'll it'll jump into them, often disguising itself as hunger.
Speaker 7: So you think you're just you think you're just going
Speaker 7: crazy out of hunger. But that's this emotional trick that
Speaker 7: this thing is playing on you see.
Speaker 14: That seems like it almost could potentially tie back into
Speaker 14: a little bit more biblical thing on this thing that.
Speaker 7: You know I'm getting from these stories, so.
Speaker 14: Like the giants and then they it's because what does
Speaker 14: that sound like? It sounds like a demon. It sounds
Speaker 14: like the disembodied beings, and it's not necessarily that they're
Speaker 14: taking it over. But it's like the same thing with
Speaker 14: schizophrenia almost that it's like there's a lot of people
Speaker 14: that research it and say they come back to like,
Speaker 14: there's a dark being that's attached to this, and this
Speaker 14: is the explanation of what this is. So if you
Speaker 14: have this dark being that's just whispering these things in
Speaker 14: your ear, especially like you were saying during these harsh months,
Speaker 14: it's a lot easier to influence these these people at
Speaker 14: that point. So it's like, if you have this like,
Speaker 14: for lack of better term, as much as I hate
Speaker 14: using this term for things, but like demon whispering in
Speaker 14: your ear, all once you're like, oh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 14: your kid is being real irritating, like he just won't
Speaker 14: give you five minutes alone. It would sure be good if
Speaker 14: he just wasn't around anymore, but you're really hungry. So
Speaker 14: I mean, two birds one stone. Like if you spend
Speaker 14: your whole winter just stuck in this cabin or this
Speaker 14: small loft with your family and you just kept hearing that,
Speaker 14: it's almost like the shining concept, you know, like there's
Speaker 14: eventually a point where even you know, the most wintered huntsman,
Speaker 14: you know, like winter, the people are like there's a
Speaker 14: snapping point eventually of when you keep having this like
Speaker 14: whispering confrontation in your ear. Like I think that there's
Speaker 14: like multiple components to it that, like, even within the
Speaker 14: native view of it, I feel like it's something older
Speaker 14: than that, where even the viewpoint that we're trying to
Speaker 14: look at as the origin could still potentially be the
Speaker 14: first generation of telephone, and we're in the second generation
Speaker 14: of telephone, and it's actually even from like the origins
Speaker 14: that we're looking at, it's still a mix of multiple
Speaker 14: things that created this thing that we think is the origin,
Speaker 14: but it actually goes back farther than that.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a commonality between your story
Speaker 7: as well and these old stories from folklore and I
Speaker 7: think what I gather from that, from just the thousand
Speaker 7: foot view is that there's this is a spirit of
Speaker 7: mayhem and destruction, and maybe that ties into with things
Speaker 7: just get out of control with this spirit, like the
Speaker 7: town that comes in and destroys the building because there's
Speaker 7: two deaths. Maybe things just got so weird, like you're
Speaker 7: seeing cougar's doors or slamming people are dying, you know,
Speaker 7: with with in an elevator shaft. That's like, you know,
Speaker 7: you could kind of tell what it is. You shouldn't
Speaker 7: just be falling into that. And so these people come
Speaker 7: in and tear down this building because it got out
Speaker 7: of control, like like this Jack Fiddler story, It's like
Speaker 7: it got so out of control that this wind to
Speaker 7: go hunter rows up in opposition to this thing like
Speaker 7: Batman versus Joker, Like you know, Joker exists because of Batman, right,
Speaker 7: It's just an opposition thing or vice versa. So it's
Speaker 7: and then you get back to the spiritual aspect of this,
Speaker 7: where you have this shaman who has to come in
Speaker 7: and deal with the spirits. I don't know, that's just
Speaker 7: where my mind goes with this. I think that the
Speaker 7: line between mythological spirits, and well, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 7: that because I don't know. That's the best bar about
Speaker 7: this is it's a mystery. But you see where my
Speaker 7: head's going with this.
Speaker 14: I mean, I'll even throw this in too. It's like
Speaker 14: you always have these weird creature sightings or these weird
Speaker 14: paranormal sightings or demonic attachment experiences that seem to happen
Speaker 14: near these old, abandoned locations. And one thing that I've
Speaker 14: often wondered is, like, you go into these places, and
Speaker 14: what does everybody end up doing? They create all these
Speaker 14: like sigils on the walls, you know, whether they're not
Speaker 14: they're actually like people who are into the occulture, people
Speaker 14: that are just like ha ha, I'm gonna put a
Speaker 14: symbol on this ball because it's going to scare people,
Speaker 14: Like I don't think people realize how much potential power
Speaker 14: could be, like within symbols that like, you know, there
Speaker 14: may have been nothing going on at this place, but
Speaker 14: now you have projected thought on this place, so you
Speaker 14: have like the what's what's the name?
Speaker 12: What's that word? The goal? Not golm.
Speaker 14: I always make this one up with the tulpa concept
Speaker 14: on top of now you have these power symbols.
Speaker 12: That are everywhere, even though they may not have.
Speaker 14: Been intentionally created as power symbols, but they're existing within
Speaker 14: this area. So it's like people that are vandalizing and
Speaker 14: not knowing what symbols they're trying to putting on the
Speaker 14: wall just because they're trying to be funnier. They don't
Speaker 14: believe in the occult, and they're just putting these pagan
Speaker 14: symbols all over the wall. They don't realize what they're doing,
Speaker 14: and they're actually creating like gateways or opportunities for tulpas
Speaker 14: to form with enough energy and thought, because it's like
Speaker 14: there's all this energy and thought in this place being haunted,
Speaker 14: so there's already this like fixated, thick, murky cloud of energy,
Speaker 14: and then once you put a symbol on the wall,
Speaker 14: it's now focused into a point or a place. So
Speaker 14: it's like the whole Slenderman thing, you know, like it
Speaker 14: seems like it's something that kind of connected into something
Speaker 14: farther on, but like the whole Tulpa concept coming into
Speaker 14: the idea of that that so many people projected energy
Speaker 14: on it that it's almost like it created created something
Speaker 14: there or on the other side, there was something already
Speaker 14: existed there, and because that energy was already formed on there,
Speaker 14: it basically took the image of that in order to
Speaker 14: be able to still function and be able to harness
Speaker 14: this energy or LOOSU or whatever it might be that
Speaker 14: these things want from us. But it seems like no
Speaker 14: matter what way you look at it, these things want
Speaker 14: us in this dark state, and they want to be
Speaker 14: in these heavy dark states. And anytime you have an
Speaker 14: area where it has this air that's almost thick to
Speaker 14: the point where you can like taste it or cut it, like,
Speaker 14: I feel like it's inevitable that something is eventually going
Speaker 14: to realize that that is like a giant buffet and
Speaker 14: just take on full advantage of it, even if it
Speaker 14: wasn't there in the first place. But it'll take the
Speaker 14: image of whatever the urban legend is that people put
Speaker 14: in that area. Because then it's like, anytime you think
Speaker 14: about it, it's almost like you're like, I don't want
Speaker 14: to say praying to this anybody in a way, like
Speaker 14: praying to this entity or giving like respect to this entity.
Speaker 14: So it's just collecting this and.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and with this, with the symbols, it's like that's
Speaker 7: with the esciduals. That's like a spiritual technology that it's
Speaker 7: using to manifest itself, just like I think, like maybe
Speaker 7: you mentioned Slenderman, like maybe what was happening they where
Speaker 7: it's using the Internet not as a spiritual technology, but
Speaker 7: as this electro magnetic technology that kind of runs between
Speaker 7: dimensions perhaps, and it's using that to bridge the divide
Speaker 7: between our world and their world. Because I think there
Speaker 7: are things coming into our reality. I think the government
Speaker 7: knows about it. I think the FBI when you hear
Speaker 7: John Desusa talk about it, you know, he says that
Speaker 7: he was dealing with cases in the FBI where somebody
Speaker 7: was there one second on a trail and gone the next.
Speaker 7: Everybody who was with them all but saw them disappear,
Speaker 7: and it's like something came out of a portal, grabbed
Speaker 7: this person and went back in, and they tied it
Speaker 7: in with this missing four one one thing. So I
Speaker 7: think they can come into our reality, and they're finding
Speaker 7: new ways, including the Internet, to bridge the divide between worlds.
Speaker 7: And I think the Internet might be the new sigual magic.
Speaker 7: This computer might be the new scrying mirror, you know.
Speaker 14: So I mean I definitely have thought about this a lot,
Speaker 14: the whole aspect of like did we create the Internet
Speaker 14: or was it rather that we just found a way
Speaker 14: to tap into something that already existed, and in turn,
Speaker 14: by tapping into it, these things that are on this
Speaker 14: other side are making us think that we're creating something,
Speaker 14: but really what we're doing is we're actually altering I
Speaker 14: don't even necessarily want to say altering, but like we're
Speaker 14: actually connecting our reality into their reality, and they're letting
Speaker 14: us create this like bridgework, like almost like we're creating
Speaker 14: this virtual reality that you can almost view as the bridge.
Speaker 14: But right on the other side of the wall, if
Speaker 14: we keep going further, is the complete opening of this
Speaker 14: other reality. And you know, these things are still walking through,
Speaker 14: you know the cracks in the wall that's happening there.
Speaker 14: But like once we push to a certain point, you know,
Speaker 14: we've essentially created this bridge between.
Speaker 12: Their reality and all reality.
Speaker 14: And I mean I kind of get into this theory
Speaker 14: with like the whole DMT realm, Like is that the
Speaker 14: Internet realm? But we're connecting into it from a different
Speaker 14: perspective because people talk about these things being like almost
Speaker 14: like futuristic or like interdimensional looking, and it's like, I
Speaker 14: think that there's a good possibility that the Internet realm,
Speaker 14: the DMT realm, the demonic realm, so to speak, are
Speaker 14: all the same thing, just different names, and we don't
Speaker 14: necessarily realize like what we're full on tapping into U
Speaker 14: and this whole demons in the system concept is definitely
Speaker 14: something that people got to put a little bit more
Speaker 14: validity behind because you get like these chatbots into these
Speaker 14: weird spots where you start asking these questions, they'll start
Speaker 14: giving these like really weird, off colored dark answers. Then
Speaker 14: all of a sudden it'll seem like, you know, like
Speaker 14: a new representative sat down, and then all of a
Speaker 14: sudden it's back to all the like robotic responses. Is
Speaker 14: it like again, we're tapping into this intelligence and it's
Speaker 14: just a matter of it's sitting back and like not
Speaker 14: letting us realize like how far we are to actually
Speaker 14: like breaking down that final dividing wall where now this reality,
Speaker 14: this virtual reality so to speak, becomes the bridge to
Speaker 14: whatever is on that other side.
Speaker 7: If there's a spiritual realm, and I believe there is,
Speaker 7: I think that they're going to use the Internet as
Speaker 7: a template as a way to interface with us, and
Speaker 7: I think it goes back to an older form of
Speaker 7: metaphysical technology. I think it goes back to portals and dimensions.
Speaker 7: Not to be the guide that always points to portals,
Speaker 7: but I think there's something to that. I think going
Speaker 7: back to this windo goo stuff. You know, there's a
Speaker 7: Native legend that if you hear the sound of a
Speaker 7: kettle being struck in the woods, it's the wind to
Speaker 7: go and you need to get home as soon as possible.
Speaker 7: And then in modern times, people in these missing four
Speaker 7: one one cases report hearing a metallic kettle like bang
Speaker 7: in the woods, like something that sound is like associated
Speaker 7: with something perhaps coming into our dimensions. So I think
Speaker 7: the old stories reflect the modern accounts in a lot
Speaker 7: of ways. Names change, you know, slender Man, it's so
Speaker 7: much like this nelusiphilea thing that the Native American talked
Speaker 7: about in the eighteen hundreds. We've just changed the name,
Speaker 7: and the times have changed, the surroundings have changed, you know.
Speaker 14: So all the ancient gods they're all archetypes of the
Speaker 14: same things. They all have the Sun God, they have
Speaker 14: the God of love, they have this it's like and
Speaker 14: then it also again fits into like the Fallen Nagel
Speaker 14: paradigm where it's like I'm not saying one perspective is correct,
Speaker 14: but I think that like all these different religions have
Speaker 14: different perspectives of the same events, and we're just again
Speaker 14: calling these things different names as they go through different
Speaker 14: periods in time. And I mean you even see that
Speaker 14: with like other things like UFOs all this stuff. It's
Speaker 14: like the phenomenon changes and like adapts depending on the time.
Speaker 14: And again it's the same thing, it's the same archetype.
Speaker 14: But it's just a matter of these things clearly have
Speaker 14: the ability to like alter reality or your perception, or
Speaker 14: they will alter that what you're viewing in order to
Speaker 14: make it so that maybe it's a little bit more
Speaker 14: like you know what you're looking at, you know what
Speaker 14: I mean, Like they're not gonna come at you.
Speaker 7: On that note, On that note, with your story, what
Speaker 7: did you think, because I always ask people this, like
Speaker 7: deep down, when you saw that thing in that abandoned building,
Speaker 7: what what did you think? What's instinctually what did you
Speaker 7: think it was? Did you feel like you were dealing
Speaker 7: with something ancient or what.
Speaker 12: I felt like.
Speaker 14: I don't even know how to describe it, Like I
Speaker 14: definitely kicked into the matter of like I just need
Speaker 14: to get out of here, and I don't necessarily know
Speaker 14: if I put thought into that at that time.
Speaker 7: But well, what if you go back to that, if
Speaker 7: you if you travel back to the moment when that happened,
Speaker 7: do you deserve a lingering feeling there that you could
Speaker 7: tap into that? Because I think when we encounter these things.
Speaker 14: It's a paranormal but the like, but it also seemed
Speaker 14: physical like It's that's why I said, it's like a
Speaker 14: hard feeling to describe because it's like it felt very paranormal,
Speaker 14: but the thing that I saw was visually very physical.
Speaker 14: So it's just this weird blending that's like herd. It's
Speaker 14: hard to describe, you know. It's yeah, a lot of
Speaker 14: like some of like the like the sash squat shop,
Speaker 14: the people experience. Maybe it's just a lack of understanding
Speaker 14: so you start bridging the gap in your mind with
Speaker 14: these other theories on it.
Speaker 11: But no, fair enough.
Speaker 7: And I'm glad you said bigfoot because I've had bigfoot
Speaker 7: experiences and I like you. I'll just say that I
Speaker 7: don't know for sure that that's what they were, but
Speaker 7: that's what I'm calling them. And I didn't know what
Speaker 7: I was looking at, so I didn't have a huge
Speaker 7: sense of fear for some of us. Some of them
Speaker 7: were extremely scary. Basically, I just lived in this community
Speaker 7: in North Carolina in the in the in the mountains,
Speaker 7: and there was a lot of weird stuff happening. And
Speaker 7: my girlfriend saw one out in the open. It crossed
Speaker 7: out in front. She had a really long driveway and
Speaker 7: it crossed right out in front of her car. So
Speaker 7: she was scared to death. And she was a total
Speaker 7: believer in Bigfoot, and I didn't have any thoughts on
Speaker 7: it at that time. I didn't know what she saw,
Speaker 7: but I knew she saw something because it scared her
Speaker 7: to death. So and and I would go on to
Speaker 7: have other encounters with whatever's happening in this area, and
Speaker 7: sometimes I just didn't have a thought to be scared.
Speaker 7: Other times I did. I don't know if that makes sense,
Speaker 7: but no.
Speaker 14: It does make sense because it's like again, I feel
Speaker 14: like part of the fear either comes from one an
Speaker 14: aspect of it being unknown, or two an aspect of
Speaker 14: you thinking you know what it is, so in turn,
Speaker 14: then you know to be afraid of it. It's kind
Speaker 14: of like the chicken or the egg concept. It's like
Speaker 14: which one comes first, Like they're both seem like they
Speaker 14: could definitely be plausible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And at the time, I hadn't had I didn't
Speaker 7: believe in Bigfoot at all. So I thought that I
Speaker 7: believed in the paranormal because before we moved to this
Speaker 7: place in the mountains, I did live in a house
Speaker 7: that was all intensive purposes, haunted, very haunted. So I
Speaker 7: did believe in the paranormal, and I believe that things
Speaker 7: could take spirit for them. So I was a lot
Speaker 7: of times I was attributing this to their normal because
Speaker 7: I didn't believe in Bigfoot yet. So anyway, and I know,
Speaker 7: thank you for telling your story, by the way, and
Speaker 7: I know you mentioned Bigfoot. Did you want to get
Speaker 7: into any of that.
Speaker 12: Today, Uh, if you want.
Speaker 14: Man, I always like having excuses to be able to
Speaker 14: like interact into another podcast with someone because anybody it's
Speaker 14: a podcast or you do these things, you have these
Speaker 14: great conversations and then you like run out of stuff
Speaker 14: to talk about and then you like lose touch for
Speaker 14: a while. So I feel like it might be a
Speaker 14: good spot that we can leave it and then we
Speaker 14: already have something to get way into next time, because
Speaker 14: I could go for another hour on Bigfoot Man. So yeah,
Speaker 14: like we can do like a whole show just tackle
Speaker 14: bigfoot stuff because I got some I haven't seen anything firsthand,
Speaker 14: but I've definitely had bigfoot experiences, So okay.
Speaker 12: We'll leave it all that stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll leave it as a cliffhanger, because it sounded
Speaker 7: like you had a nice body of work on this subject,
Speaker 7: like the way you were talking about it earlier. You
Speaker 7: were alluding to it like you've got a lot of
Speaker 7: stuff to say about bigfoot, and I know you do
Speaker 7: because of your show, but it seems like you've got
Speaker 7: some like new found in or something you're working with.
Speaker 7: So let's just leave it as the cliffhanger and we'll
Speaker 7: get in that on another episode.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, did you want to touch on anything else
Speaker 7: about your story? And thanks again for telling that.
Speaker 14: I mean, I do have some other like more paranormal
Speaker 14: stuff that kind of links into another thing that we
Speaker 14: could possibly do a show about at some point, which
Speaker 14: was like me having all these like sleep paralysis and
Speaker 14: astral projection experiences when I was a kid, so I
Speaker 14: mean even kind of time stuff back in that there
Speaker 14: is an aspect of more phil that falls into like
Speaker 14: that portion of my experiences, So that could be another
Speaker 14: one that I can reconnect back into Northfield and come
Speaker 14: full circle a little bit with that one next time too.
Speaker 12: So there you go. There's two opportunities for two more
Speaker 12: things we could dive into a tuner shows.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's awesome, man, We'll just go ahead and wrap
Speaker 7: it up. Shane, Thanks again for coming on and tell
Speaker 7: everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 14: So considering that I do two podcasts, Increase of Our
Speaker 14: Reality is my solo show that's very interview based, covering
Speaker 14: any French topic from you know, virtuality to conspiracies to
Speaker 14: geopolitics to sasquatch and cryptids to UFOs to pretty much
Speaker 14: anything that's open minded as a whole.
Speaker 12: And then my other.
Speaker 14: Show is Bizarre Encounters, which is primarily focusing on paranormal
Speaker 14: cryptids UFOs, which I do with my co host Orne,
Speaker 14: so that's a little bit more deep dive style, but
Speaker 14: we do have some interviews mixed in and on top
Speaker 14: of that, I also have a show called Bizarre Inquiries
Speaker 14: that Orn and I do. It was like a short
Speaker 14: form show, but that's about to be becoming a live
Speaker 14: one hour Patreon monthly show or not Patreon YouTube monthly show.
Speaker 14: So everybody wants to check out all three of the
Speaker 14: different projects that I'm working on on top of another
Speaker 14: big project that's coming out in well going to be
Speaker 14: starting to be worked on in spring with Riley from
Speaker 14: Midwest myth Thoughs, which we'll give more information on that
Speaker 14: as week closer, because we don't want anybody to try
Speaker 14: to us the punch on that one. But yeah, if
Speaker 14: you guys want to check out all the different stuff
Speaker 14: I'm working on, all the different stuff that I do,
Speaker 14: you guys can go and check out Open Minds Media,
Speaker 14: which is my production company that I kind of put
Speaker 14: everything under to make it quick and easy. But if
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Speaker 14: peerd E slash, open Underscore Minds Underscore Media, and you
Speaker 14: guys will be able to find all the stuff that
Speaker 14: I work on all under that one.
Speaker 12: Weblink and tap.
Speaker 7: All right, thanks again. I'll put all your stuff in
Speaker 7: the description below and as always break the mold, conquer
Speaker 7: the realm, and thanks for listening.