WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:15.480 And yet I ask you, it's not an alien force. 2 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:16.079 Already among the. 3 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:22.480 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, we got 4 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:23.359 a very special guest. 5 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:25.719 So I was really looking forward to speaking, and it is 6 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:27.920 going to be speaking at an event that I plan 7 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:28.839 on having a booth. 8 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:31.719 That so this is really exciting. I get to her prior. 9 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:34.200 But before we get to the special guest, I'm going 10 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:36.439 to introduce the other reject you're joining us on the show. 11 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.920 And to start off, we got Brooke. What is going on? Brooke? 12 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:41.240 How are you hi? 13 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.679 Guys, how's it going? I'm really excited for tonight's topic, 14 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.679 you know, being a encrypted girlly myself, I'm excited for 15 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:51.320 everything that Jessica's going to bring to the panel tonight. 16 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:55.079 We are also going to be at an event, Harley's 17 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.880 Bond Belief Expo October eighteenth, down in Fort Myers, Florida. 18 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:01.399 The Occult reject will be there too, So come on 19 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:03.240 and see us. I'll be speaking and it is going 20 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.480 to be a great time. And you can find me 21 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.280 wherever you get your podcasts in on Instagram at Dark 22 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:09.079 Floor to podcast. 23 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:13.319 Hell Yeah, thank you, Brooke, Glad you meet it tonight. 24 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.400 And my main Headless Giant. What is going on, sir? 25 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.840 How's it going Nick? Happy Monday, everybody. You can find 26 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.599 me at the Headless Giant on x and on YouTube, 27 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:31.200 also on Instagram. I just got prints of my paintings 28 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.079 back today, so I'm going to be putting those out 29 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.040 there soon, so you guys can purchase copies of those. 30 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.239 You can find my show on Thursday nights with my 31 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.159 co host Nick over here, and we will be reading 32 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:48.280 your occult slash Esoteric slash, Bizarre dream emails. You can 33 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:51.040 email those to me at the Headless Giant podcast at 34 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:52.079 gmail dot com. 35 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:56.400 Thank you, yes, of course, sir, and get those emails out, 36 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.920 send them all right. Next, we got my man Tim Constantine, 37 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:01.799 What is going on, sir? 38 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:02.959 Thank you very much for making it. 39 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:06.480 Hey, Nick, thanks for having me. Hello everyone, Happy to 40 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:09.879 be here, Love Cryptids. I'm really excited for this one. 41 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.919 So I'm on a conspiracy garden over at Cult Conspiracy 42 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:18.080 on Sundays. You can find me over there. That's Sundays only, 43 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:22.240 and my main show is Sixth Century Podcast on all 44 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:27.360 the major platforms. Cryptidhunterests in the house. Excited for this. 45 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:30.120 Thank you very much for making it. 46 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:30.360 Tim. 47 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.759 We just appreciate when you're on the show. And we 48 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.520 got my man Tyrone. What is going on? How were you? 49 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:36.919 What's going on? 50 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.039 What's going on? It's an honor to be here. I'm 51 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:42.319 eager to learn what you got to share. So we're 52 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.039 gonna jump straight into it. Everything you can find on 53 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.520 me is on my website, rebirthothword dot com. I'm also 54 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:50.639 a best selling author, which you can buy my book 55 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.879 on Amazon, Journey through the Ordinans of History. 56 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.240 Thanks Nick, of course, thank you for joining us. And 57 00:02:58.280 --> 00:02:59.960 we got my man Jewels. What is going on? 58 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.919 Am I muted? I'm muted. I'm always muted. What's up, guys. 59 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.520 I'm Jewels, host of the Gray Pillared Podcast. Got a 60 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:10.719 lot of shows I do. Go over check out my 61 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.240 link tree, go over to Rumble. I'm highly active on 62 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:18.560 their YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcasts. You can find me on 63 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.319 x at Gray pilled Pod and over on Patreon. We 64 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.479 do a lot of exclusive stuff on Patreon, esotery, book reviews, 65 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.719 watch parties. You get a free sticker pack, all that 66 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.639 good stuff. So and Nick, thank you for having me on. Man, 67 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.479 these are always great conversations. See some familiar face. It's 68 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.319 good to see you guys. Tim It's nice to meet 69 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.319 you as well as you Jessica. 70 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:41.759 Very excited. 71 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:43.919 I used to have a show I did every Sunday 72 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:50.159 called Cryptid Watch, and it was me drinking cores banquets 73 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:54.879 in my garage and watching cryptive videos and chatting shit 74 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:56.520 with my audience. 75 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:58.800 And you know, we'd have a game we play called 76 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:01.520 Cryptid or Crackhead. A lot of fun stuff. 77 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.120 You pulled out of that, But this is right up 78 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.120 my alley. This is one of the first things that 79 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:08.159 I kind of started coming out talking about when my 80 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:13.159 podcast first started. So I'm very excited, very excited. 81 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:13.840 I dig that. 82 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:15.599 Thank you, Jules. 83 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.480 That was awesome the last but I at least we 84 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:19.879 got bet at what is going on? 85 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:24.839 So what's going on? Everybody? I Jessica, you are a 86 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:31.040 a big fan. Bigfoot is my gateway drug to this 87 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:36.040 whole crazy world of high strangeness. You can find me 88 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:42.759 on Broadcasting Seeds at broadcasting seeds dot com. And none 89 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.560 of you have ever heard this before, but I do 90 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.160 have a Bigfoot centered podcast called The Whispers of the 91 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:53.800 Wood Ape on the Catskill Apply Appellation Research Collective web 92 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.360 YouTube page. So I'm excited for. 93 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:03.000 Tonight Bennett's alter ego over there. Yeah, right there you go. 94 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:05.959 All right, Well, finally we got all that out of 95 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.040 the way. Now we got Jessica Jones, the cryptid huntress? 96 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:11.920 What is going on? Thank you very much for finally 97 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.399 making it for the people who don't know who you are. 98 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.720 Can you give us this a little introduction about. 99 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:17.480 What you do? 100 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:22.399 Sure? Well, I'm a monster hunter and I've been doing 101 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:25.399 this for a long time. Actually, I am a longtime 102 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:30.199 bigfoot field researcher. I'm based out of Georgia, and I 103 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:35.399 never spoke publicly about what I did for over ten years, okay, 104 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.800 and I started back in twenty eleven. I'm on four 105 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.680 actually I'm on five different research and investigative teams right now. 106 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:46.720 But yeah, I've been doing it, like I said, for 107 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.399 a long time. We cover everything. We went out looking 108 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:52.920 for Bigfoot, but we ended up running into everything else 109 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.959 out there, so I've experienced a lot of weird stuff. Okay, 110 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.439 And right now I'm actually on a team where we 111 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.519 actually go out and we go hunt dogmen stuff too. 112 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.319 So skinwalker caves, you name it, I do it, and 113 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.800 it's a lot of fun. I actually, when I was 114 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:15.800 kind of coaxed into speaking publicly. Finally, a few years ago, 115 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.199 I was asked to speak at a conference, just a 116 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:21.720 small little gig. Nobody was going to be there. It 117 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.199 was one time thing, and that ended up snowballing into 118 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:31.000 me being on having multiple shows, podcasts and having a 119 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.279 live shows on radio station and all that stuff. And 120 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.720 I am now known as the Cryptid Huntress. Somehow I've 121 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.959 gotten that name. And I am a YouTuber, I guess 122 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:43.839 you could say, now, and I have a show. It's 123 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:47.480 called the Cryptid Huntress. It's my channel. I'm all over 124 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.839 social media. I speak all over the country at Bigfoot 125 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.959 encryptied and disclosure conferences and events, all the small town 126 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.839 Bigfoot festivals around, especially around Georgia. You can find me 127 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.879 pretty much everywhere. Uh but yeah, I one one little 128 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.439 public speaking event turned into what I do today, pretty 129 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.160 much speaking publicly. But like I said, I never meant 130 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.800 to speak publicly. My my teams are not really public, 131 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:16.000 one of them is. But but yeah, we're we're really 132 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.000 big on the research and keeping everything private. When it 133 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:21.560 came to what we were doing out there, we are 134 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.800 not only trained, well, we were training. I'm training a 135 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.439 whole lot of stuff actually, but one of the main 136 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.079 things that my my original team was trained extensively and 137 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.839 is called remote viewing. And so I am a remote viewer, 138 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.959 the military type of remote viewing, and uh, we use 139 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.879 that in our research. Actually, I do a show every 140 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.399 Thursday night that just focuses on remote viewing targets, and 141 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.199 a lot of times they do involve cryptids as well, 142 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:52.399 like alledge or suspected dog man attacks and big foot 143 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:55.639 attacks and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool. I'm 144 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.120 just having fun, y'all. It's just something I love to do. 145 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:02.519 And why why not you know, do it if you know, 146 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:04.439 I've been doing it for so long, I never meant 147 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:08.319 to go public. Now in public, I'm going full throttle, okay, 148 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:10.560 And so I'm happy to be here. 149 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:12.000 Yeah, I know. 150 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.519 It was Actually it's funny because I you know, when 151 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:16.480 I asked you to come on the show, I had, 152 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:18.000 you know, I was sort of looking into some of 153 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.240 the stuff, you know, your own whatever, your own stuff. 154 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:21.120 I was looking at it. 155 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.040 And I had saw that that guy John had you 156 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:25.759 speaking at a place that was in North Carolina, and 157 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.879 I think it mentioned something about boots. Like it was 158 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:29.600 just so weird, how like because I had you on 159 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.039 happen to check your stuff. I hit him up and 160 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:36.000 he's like, oh, I'll give you one at old six months. Okay, 161 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.279 But yeah, it's pretty pretty well how that all worked 162 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.600 out real quick. I know, I'm pretty sure that people 163 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:43.200 have questions they want to ask you, but like I 164 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.039 did want to ask maybe two questions. 165 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:46.279 Now. 166 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.879 I guess what kind of got got you even into 167 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:51.159 Like what was maybe did you have an experience I 168 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:52.559 got you into the cryptid stuff? 169 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.399 And what got you into remote viewing? 170 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:59.279 Mh. Well, when I was a little kid, I always 171 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.320 was interested in the paranormal, like I just had a 172 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:05.399 connection to it. I saw ghosts. I used to take 173 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.120 my little you know, kindergarten Matt outside. I grew up 174 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.639 on a farm out in the country. I mean miles 175 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:12.679 from the nearest grocery store. Was like ten miles to 176 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:16.519 the nearest grocery store back then, Okay, and uh. I 177 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.960 would take my Matt outside at night and look for 178 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.799 UFOs okay and uh. All my science projects were always 179 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.480 on black like weird stuff like black holes and you know, 180 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:28.519 spacecrafts and stuff. 181 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:28.759 You know. 182 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.360 It was it was I was for a little country girl. 183 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.240 It was in my opinion, it was a little forward thinking. 184 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.519 I guess, you know, from where I came from and stuff. 185 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.039 Uh but uh, but yeah, I just had a connection 186 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:42.200 to it. I was always interested in creatures and things 187 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:44.840 that weren't supposed to exist, because see, I had been 188 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:46.919 seeing things that weren't supposed to exist since I was 189 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.799 a kid. And uh. And so I just assumed that 190 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.440 everything else that I had heard about probably was real, 191 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:54.919 but I was gonna maybe find out, you know. It 192 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.440 would always always just assume, like it'll it'll come across 193 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:01.200 my path one day, we'll know and uh. And it 194 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:08.279 wasn't until I was a young adult. Okay, I did 195 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:11.039 not go looking for Bigfoot. It kind of came across 196 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:14.480 my path. And uh. And so I had, you know, 197 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.480 I was really into like ghost hunting and stuff kind 198 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.879 of a long time ago. And I had had a 199 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.600 whole lot of friends and family that had passed away, 200 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.440 including like my brother and some of my very best 201 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.519 friends and real close family, and so I was like 202 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:32.080 wanting to connect to make sure everybody was okay, of course, 203 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.960 and that kind of stuff. And so I got into 204 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:40.360 just being interested in, you know, looking into like psychics 205 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:42.679 and stuff like that. And my mom was always into it. 206 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:46.799 I come from a family of very psychically switched on humans. 207 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:49.519 They didn't they won't tell you that, they wouldn't talk 208 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:51.399 about it. But like I could not get away with 209 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.919 anything when I was a teenager, okay with like my 210 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:58.000 mom and my dad too. Uh, they just knew everything. 211 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.960 Like I guess it was psychic. So but uh, but yeah, 212 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.360 you know, I would go and get like sessions, like 213 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.399 this guy that had a ghost box and stuff. That 214 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.000 was before we had those little ITC devices you know, 215 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:10.559 you can everybody's got. 216 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:11.720 Those now spirit boxes. 217 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:15.679 Yes, well back back a long time ago, people didn't 218 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.320 have all that. Uh. And this one guy would go around, 219 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.279 same as Christopher Moon, and he would come to Atlanta 220 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:23.360 and he had this ghost box to the dead or 221 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:26.519 something that he had. I think he made it, and uh, 222 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.399 and I went and I was able to like communicate 223 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.639 with what I thought think was my family, you know, 224 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.639 and uh, and stuff like that, and so that was cool. 225 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.200 And you know, one thing just kind of led to another. 226 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.120 And my mom was going to these like weekly meetups 227 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:41.600 at a friend's house where they would have like a 228 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.519 speaker that came in every Wednesday night, and uh, some 229 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:49.120 of the esoteric community in Atlanta. Basically, they would all 230 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:53.200 get together on Wednesdays and uh, they'd have everybody come 231 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.279 speak from like I mean, survivalists and people that were 232 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.519 selling silver and gold and all that kind of stuff. 233 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.480 I mean, this is a long time ago, y'all, to magicians, 234 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:07.360 to belly dancers, to bigfoot field researchers. And my mom 235 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.799 was like, hey, Jess, She's like, why don't you come 236 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.360 with me? This will be really cool. I think this 237 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.240 is right up your alley. There's some guys from North 238 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.799 Georgia who are bigfoot field researchers. I think you would 239 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.480 enjoy this. Why don't you come with me? I did 240 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:26.360 my mom. Yeah, of all people, awesome, my mom's awesome. Yeah, 241 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:30.600 sounds like, oh yeah it was. It was actually really fun. 242 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:32.120 It sounds a. 243 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.519 Yeah. So I went to this like a little weekly 244 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.240 and it was just this guy. It was mister Sam. 245 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:40.080 This guy, Mister Sam and his girlfriend Berlin. They go 246 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.120 to their house and there's a bunch of chairs in 247 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:44.799 their in their living room and they had a podium 248 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.080 and these guys. I used to go pretty often actually, 249 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.159 but these guys were there and they had all this evidence. 250 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.840 So like a Bigfoot, and you know, the track pictures 251 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.759 and the castings and all this stuff, and that was cool. 252 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.639 But these men had already established the big It was real. 253 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.960 They had already been there, done that, been doing this 254 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:09.200 for decades, right, they had moved on to the communication 255 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:10.879 with Bigfoot at this point. 256 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:11.679 And uh. 257 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.519 And they had a spot, They had several spots that 258 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.559 go to in North Georgia, and they were like, well 259 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.879 they were also at least two of them were very 260 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:25.000 much trained in remote viewing, you know, with military backgrounds okay, 261 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:29.240 And so they were into the what they described as 262 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:33.240 the mind, body spirit aspect of Bigfoot and other cryptids. 263 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.159 And they had a team that was called Enigma Research Group. 264 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.399 And and I had a lot of questions for these 265 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.639 guys because I was like, man, okay, so these guys. 266 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.799 I I saw their evidence. I saw what they had presented, 267 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.200 and I was like, okay, they if anybody's going to 268 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:51.879 see a Bigfoot. These guys. I did not expect to 269 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:53.080 ever go out in the woods with them, but I 270 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:56.240 did have a lot of questions and and I started asking, like, 271 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.240 where's the body? Why have y'all never found a body? 272 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.919 Where's the Okay? Like I was asking like the crazy 273 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.759 questions that people asked me today, okay, and and they 274 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.080 they answered, they had really good answers. You know, some 275 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:11.960 of them had been to like to the body farms 276 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.559 and stuff, you know, like up in Tennessee and they're 277 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:17.480 explaining how animals decompose. I mean, I got a lot 278 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.879 more than I expected out of those questions I had. 279 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.519 But but one of the guys was like, we're having 280 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:27.320 an expedition in October. Would you like to join us? 281 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:30.720 And I was like, well, shoot, yeah, you know, because 282 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:32.639 back then I was like, you know, I was wild 283 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.039 and free. I was young. I was living in Atlanta, 284 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.759 and what better way to go have some fun and 285 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:39.440 go see a big foots reeled and going in the 286 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.759 woods with some strange dudes. Okay and uh and so 287 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.720 I was like, put me on your list, I'll be there. 288 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:47.440 Turned into an episodes. 289 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.080 It was wild, y'all. It was wild. I mean, I 290 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.519 honestly like, I don't have a lot of fear, okay, 291 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.080 and I mean I fear the right things. I have 292 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:02.679 a healthy dose of fear us more awareness. But but 293 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:04.519 you know, it is what it is. I was. I 294 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:08.200 just wanted to go see a big foot. So so 295 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:10.919 I got a tent and all my gear and everything. 296 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:12.879 They sent me a list. They're like, here, you need this, 297 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.399 this and this, and so I got it and I 298 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:17.639 loaded up. I was driving like a volkswagging back. I 299 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:20.240 think I had a pasade or something. And it wasn't 300 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.559 forrible drive, y'all. And it was not a good idea 301 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:24.720 to drive this into the North Georgia Mountains where we went, 302 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.279 but I did. I don't know how I made it, 303 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.679 but I did. And I ended up going up there 304 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.559 and made I kept thinking. I was like, well, if 305 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.879 nothing else, I'm going to make some good friends, I'm 306 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:38.000 gonna go camping. I had hears some fun stories, and 307 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.399 I get to go out and maybe see a big foot, okay, 308 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.639 and uh. And I ended up going and uh and 309 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:50.960 had the most intense experiences that I've ever had. First 310 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.080 of all, at night in the woods. Okay, but uh, 311 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.519 but crazy, crazy stuff went down, and it was so 312 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.519 wild that it was almost like it sucked me in 313 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.559 and now here today talking to you guys about it, 314 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.759 because if the things that happened that weekend had not 315 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.519 been so crazy, I would not have kept going back. 316 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:14.200 Probably so were these things before you get into because 317 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.159 I'm sure you will. Were these things more like physical 318 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:21.279 or were they more maybe along the lines of spiritual 319 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.320 or because I'm at the belief that Bigfoot is both 320 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:31.960 sasquatch whatever you want to call them, sam squanch, you know, 321 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:37.440 so I know I'm very interested in hearing about this experience. 322 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:42.559 Oh yeah, Uh, it's both. Okay, if they're like him 323 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:47.159 as we're spiritual and we are both flesh and bone, right, Okay, 324 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.200 So that's that's the same as Bigfoot, same is pretty 325 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.480 much any crypto I've encountered. I think that they are. 326 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.720 I think they're both so very much solid animals or 327 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.360 I'm going to say animals, but they're not their forced people. 328 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:05.519 Let's just say okay. And and so I guess I 329 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:07.480 can tell you guys about what happened some of some 330 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.119 of the highlights of my trip that first time, because 331 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.759 it got it got weird, got really weird. And uh. 332 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.359 And so when I when I talk about Bigfoot when 333 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.039 I'm speaking publicly, or you know, if I go on 334 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.559 a show like I'm on right now. Uh, when I 335 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.640 first started doing that, I kind of came out guns blazing, 336 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.079 like Bigfoot is probably interdimensional and you know, there's things 337 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.400 that happen that I can't describe, I can't explain, and 338 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.680 I've had missing time. And when I started doing all 339 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.279 this research, I started getting visited by aliens, and like, 340 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.519 people thought it was wild. Okay, so you either so 341 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:46.119 I had. I'm just gonna tell you guys I had. 342 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.960 It was very polarizing because here I am talking about 343 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.440 my real experiences that I've had, and there's a lot, 344 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.960 you know, half half the bigfoot communities like oh, they're 345 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:57.160 just flush and bone and there are a bunch of 346 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.880 primates running around the woods right, and and then there's 347 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.559 a few there's another half of people that were like, oh, 348 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.079 they're interdimensional. There's a quantum bigfoot. 349 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:07.160 You know. 350 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.559 So I'm just right here. I believe it's both okay, 351 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.960 but okay, So I got out there. The first time 352 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:18.240 I ever went bigfooting, I volunteered to be bigfoot bait. 353 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.559 I was like, you know, just put me in a 354 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:24.279 weird predicament and so that I can see a bigfoot. 355 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.720 And so the first night I went out with a 356 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:30.640 team that there was a big group of people there. 357 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:32.920 By the way, it wasn't just those four guys that 358 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:34.680 were on the team they had. They brought like a 359 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.480 bunch of people in some some very well known bigfooters 360 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:39.839 from all over the country actually, but I didn't know 361 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:44.599 who anybody was at the time. But they were kind 362 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:46.799 of like do an expedition to see if they wanted 363 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.039 to they wanted to expand their team, maybe bring a 364 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:50.759 woman or two on their team. It was a bunch 365 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:54.240 of dudes, and so they were excited to have me there, 366 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:59.240 of course, because apparently Bigfoots like women. Okay, so so 367 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:00.920 they had me, and there were a couple of other 368 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:06.000 women there too, kind of older women. But but I 369 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.440 was like, okay, just put me in the weirdest predicament ever. 370 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.400 I will be bait. I want to go with the 371 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.640 people that are going to have the most action out there. 372 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.599 And so they put me with two of the guys 373 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:19.279 that were regularly on the team and then some guys 374 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.559 from out of town. We went to field I think 375 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.079 we called it Field number one back then, and it 376 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.640 was like we're in this national big big national forest 377 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:33.680 in North Georgia in the mountains and undisclosed location. But 378 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.440 but it's like a big group and then at night 379 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:37.319 and during the day sometimes like we would divide off 380 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:39.759 into small teams. And so I went with this one 381 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.359 team and it was me and a bunch of guys 382 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:44.400 and we went to this field. It was like an 383 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.880 open field, like a meadow kind of and with a 384 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.440 tree line up at the top in the middle of 385 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.640 all these mountains and uh, and they were One of 386 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.160 the guys was like, okay, Jessica, walk up a dare 387 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.039 you to walk up to that tree line by yourself? 388 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.359 And it was about seventy five yards almost a football field, 389 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:02.759 okay almost, but it's like seventy five yards up this 390 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.880 hill this tree line. Well, they it's a place where 391 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.720 they had a lot of bigfoot activity and so they 392 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:14.039 they knew there's gonna be something probably out there. But 393 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.240 but I didn't have a I've been told like, don't 394 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.039 use your flashlight out here, you know, we try not 395 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.440 to use lights. I didn't have. I had like nothing. 396 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.160 I mean, I had a backpack with some snacks and 397 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:26.440 some water in it or something. Okay. I didn't have 398 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.720 a radio like we carry Cebe radios and stuff now, 399 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:31.920 and I mean we've got all the equipment, you know, 400 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.119 But but it was just me and my backpack full 401 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:39.799 of snacks, basically, and and they said, you know, go 402 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:43.720 walk up the pitch dark late at night and uh. 403 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.240 And so I was like, okay, cool. They were hoping 404 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.400 that it would like pull out a big foot, you know, 405 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:51.400 like lure something out. And they were gonna watch me 406 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.599 from the bottom of the hill with their night vision, 407 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:58.559 their flear, their thermal imaging cameras and stuff. And so 408 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:02.279 I knew that if I got taken by anything, they 409 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:05.119 could at least tell my mom what happened to me. Okay, 410 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:06.759 And that's that was my way of thinking back then. 411 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:08.400 I was like, wet least they could tell my mom 412 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.400 what happened. I went out, you know, getting attacked by 413 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.480 a boofoot or whatever. It's fine. And and so I 414 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:18.519 started up this hill. And and when you were asking 415 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.720 about are they physical or they spiritual? Well this is 416 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.400 that's interesting that you asked that question right off the bat, 417 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.200 because as I'm walking up this hill, I got about 418 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.279 halfway up the hill and I heard one of the 419 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.519 men running up behind me and he was like trucking 420 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.960 it and I could hear his feet, I could hear 421 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.720 his breath like it was it was one of those 422 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:44.880 guys running up behind me and and I kept thinking. 423 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.400 I was like, man, that is so unprofessional of these guys, 424 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.400 Like why would they do that just to me? Like, 425 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.000 you know, I'm probably scared. You know, I don't know 426 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.920 what I'm doing. It's very I kept saying to myself, 427 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:02.039 that's unprofessional, so unprofessional. And I played sports in college. 428 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:04.160 I played rugby, so I was like, I was used 429 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.599 to getting tackled, okay, And I was kind of bracing 430 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:09.279 myself for somebody to run up and say boo, you know, 431 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.279 or grab me or do something. And I was like, man, 432 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:16.920 they think they're slick, but they're not. And and as 433 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:22.039 he got up to me, uh, he swept my leg out, 434 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.519 my legs out from underneath me, like from behind, and 435 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:28.559 then kept running behind me, went to my left, and 436 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.000 I looked over and I lost my balance a little bit. 437 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:34.000 I looked over. There was nobody there. There was nobody, 438 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:37.759 but I felt it I got tripped up. It was 439 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:42.079 a whole experience, but there was nobody there, and and 440 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:47.440 I thought, oh my god. You know, I was super confused. 441 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.480 But then, of course, like your rational brain always jumps in, y'all, okay, 442 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.599 So I'm like, well, I must have tripped over a log, 443 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:57.200 I'm imagining things. I'm nervous. My mind is playing tricks 444 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.039 on me. Like I was going through all the checklists 445 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.640 of like, okay, what what could have what just happened. 446 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:03.720 That two seconds? 447 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.160 Mm hmm. Well, because you're your rational brain kicks in, 448 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.279 like your brains training to make sense. So something that 449 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:14.559 makes no sense, well apparently okay. So I looked around. 450 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:16.359 There were no logs or no sticks. It was just 451 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:19.000 grass and no holes. I didn't step in a hole, 452 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:23.160 and I thought, well, I guess I'll just keep walking 453 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.359 cause didn't want to look like a baby. I had 454 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:28.680 all these men watching me, you know. I was like, well, 455 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:32.000 I'm just gonna keep walking and uh and so I 456 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.279 continued to walk up towards a tree line. Well here's 457 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:38.160 the thing, y'all. So we had this distress call and 458 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.160 if I got into distress, I was supposed to put 459 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.359 my arms up over my head and wave. Well I 460 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:45.559 didn't do that. But when I when I got knocked 461 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.440 kind of you know, I lost my balance from whatever 462 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:50.799 hitting me. Uh, my hands kind of went up in 463 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.240 the air, but like they didn't you know what I mean, 464 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.960 Like it was kind of like augh. I h I 465 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.799 realized that I didn't need to have my hands up 466 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.559 in the air. And luckily, I guess it was good 467 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:05.200 because Craig, one of the guys, saw it and he 468 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:06.640 came up to check on me to make sure I 469 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.839 was okay. He was like, well, we didn't know if 470 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.119 you had done the distress call, so I came to 471 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:15.400 check on you anyways, and he and I when he 472 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.160 got up there, I was like, are you a human 473 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:21.839 who's behind me? You know? And he and I walked 474 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:23.440 back down. I told him what happened. We walked back 475 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.440 down to where it happened and we looked. He got 476 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.519 a splash line out. There was nothing there that I 477 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.920 tripped over, and we started walking back up to that 478 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.799 tree line. He was like, have you ever heard of 479 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:38.200 a cloaked bigfoot? I was like no, and he started 480 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:39.759 explaining to me. He's like, well, you know, we've had 481 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:44.720 this scene that's happened where you know, bigfoots are like invisible, 482 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:46.519 like we can't see them. He's like, but I don't know. 483 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.799 I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's a possibility 484 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.880 that's what happened to you. Maybe a cloak bigfoot came 485 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.759 out or something. You know that was coming out to 486 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:57.279 initiate you into the bigfoot world. I don't know, Oh 487 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.000 my god. But as I'm up there that tree line 488 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.279 with him, something kept pulling me over to the right side, 489 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.359 and so I walked over there kind of by myself. 490 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.839 As I was talking to him, and the guys down 491 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.599 at the back, down at the bottom of the hill 492 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.400 were watching. They said that a big foot leaned its 493 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:13.599 head out from behind a tree and was staring at me, 494 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:18.920 right in front of my face. Okay, so that happened. 495 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.319 That was the first night I was there, y'all. And 496 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:24.160 so the next night, I mean, I know this, if 497 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:25.720 I told you the whole story to take forever. But 498 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.599 the next night we ended up going back there. The 499 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.880 next day, my friend JT and I, one of the 500 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:34.720 guys on the team, we partnered up. We decided to 501 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:37.480 go out there blend into the environment all day from 502 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.960 three in the afternoon until one in the morning, and 503 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:41.720 we were hoping that a big foot would were right 504 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:43.799 there with that bigfoot had stuck its head out the 505 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:47.839 night before, And that night we ended up having our 506 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.720 equipment started malfunctioning. His went forward an hour, mine went 507 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.079 backwards an hour as far as our time set on, 508 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:58.519 it was we had a strength. We had lights that 509 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.720 were like moving in triangular path turns in the sky. 510 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.440 We had a big orb that was floating back and 511 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.839 forth in a linear movement across the mountain side, and 512 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.400 red lights in the in the woods beside us. Like, 513 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.400 it was just weird, a lot of it. 514 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.039 I was going to ask you, because I wrote a 515 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.880 couple of things down already, what you've been talking about, 516 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.160 and I was going to ask you, Uh, I've been 517 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.359 hearing that you know, bigfoot is associated with you know 518 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:27.720 sometimes some people call them portals, and then also with 519 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:29.640 the UFOs or orbs and stuff. 520 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.920 So obviously you mean you already touched on that, So 521 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:35.599 I mean how often or not is that? Uh does 522 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:36.200 that happen? 523 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.799 Because there's actually a there's actually a website for UFO 524 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.680 tracking and UFO tracking, So maybe what I should start 525 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.640 doing is looking to see if they have the same 526 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.480 dates in and reportings for that, because I do do checks 527 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:55.720 on UFOs that UFO National Reporting Center. So I just 528 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.400 want to know how often does that happen? When you 529 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:01.119 know it's more you know, UFOs and portals in the area. 530 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.720 Okay, Well, funny you ask. All right, So one of 531 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.720 the constants that we have our orbs. We have had 532 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.920 two experiences with my teammates of Portals in this location. 533 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.559 This is in North Georgia, and we've even had Okay, honestly, 534 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.319 I could get into one story. At some point we 535 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.200 had a fog that was one of the scariest nights 536 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.200 of my life. Actually, I had a We had a 537 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:28.880 fog that was chasing us basically from the top of 538 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.279 the mountain down and it had a consciousness to it 539 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:37.119 which was really weird. Okay, but that's a whole other story. Okay, 540 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.799 we talk about orbs lots of times. We have flashes 541 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.400 of light out there, we have orbs. I was out 542 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.599 there in that same field years later and had a 543 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.440 couple of friends with me, and me and one of 544 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.480 the guys like he was facing one way, I was 545 00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:56.519 facing the other. We were looking over each other's shoulders. 546 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.319 We both saw orange orbs shoot through the trees on 547 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.880 either side of where we were standing. And as it 548 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.400 shot through the tree on my side where I was looking, 549 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.519 it's a flash of light and then a hoof like 550 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:15.279 a huff and a growl together and we immediately checked 551 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.680 to make sure there wasn't a bear. Okay, but there 552 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:22.000 was no bear there. We're constantly seeing orbs, that is 553 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:23.920 just I mean, I've had orbs that floated into my 554 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:29.880 ten at night. We have them on camera, all different colors, 555 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.359 all different colors. The ones that are the most prominent 556 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:39.119 would be white. I mean, we have them all over 557 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.160 the place. Like I said, we've had lights in the 558 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.000 woods as well. A lot of times we kind of 559 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.559 joked around about how all roads lead back to et 560 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.960 when we're doing our Bigfoot research. And that's the truth, y'all. 561 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.039 I actually have another team, which is actually some of 562 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.920 the same people from this original team. We have a 563 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.440 location that we have been researching for years. It's called 564 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:04.200 them We call it the Meadow, and this is a 565 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.799 place where we have actually documented on camera an actual 566 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.519 portal and sent two teammates into this portal not knowing 567 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.640 that it was like a portal, and they disappeared and okay, 568 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:16.480 they came back. 569 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.279 I have to ask, so you have seen that footage, right. 570 00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:24.359 That's my team? Yeah, okay, okay, that's where we go. 571 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:29.160 Ye we have I'm very familiar with the Meadow project, 572 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.920 and I guess maybe for the audience that's described as 573 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.759 basically the skin Walker Ranch of the South, so kind 574 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.319 of the same similar activity. And from what I understand 575 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:42.039 with Trey Hudson, you guys sent some people into basically 576 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.480 this portal and they came out somewhere else, and some 577 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.960 crazy things actually happened to the original people who went 578 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:50.200 through that portal, and my right, I heard that they 579 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:53.039 had some health issues and things like that on that property. 580 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.000 I would love to hear more about the Meadow project. 581 00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.839 I'm so fascinated with with the work you guys are 582 00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.279 doing there. 583 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.680 Thank you. Yeah. Well, actually they've both passed away. 584 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:08.640 Yeah, wow, Yes. 585 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.519 Was it because of the was it because of the portal? 586 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:12.680 We have our suspicions. 587 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.880 Yes, did they go somewhere where they couldn't like sustain 588 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.799 their own life, you know, like that couldn't sustain I 589 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:19.160 don't know. 590 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:20.440 That's uh. 591 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.759 Well, well, we take a lot of measurements out in 592 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.920 the field in one of the constants. Whenever we're having 593 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.920 paranormal activity or eat cryptid activity, we have radiation spikes, 594 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.680 and there was a probably a pretty healthy dose of 595 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.759 radiation out there that night. I can I can get 596 00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.880 into all that. This is the meadow is a really 597 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:46.279 strange place, okay, instead another set of undisclosed location okay, 598 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.880 and somewhere in the South, okay, we do call it 599 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:54.519 the Skinwalker branch of the South. I didn't call it that, okay, 600 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:56.519 but I think Trey called it that for his book 601 00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:58.319 or something, because he wrote a book. But we've been 602 00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.200 out there doing research in this area for a while. 603 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.920 And I mean, i'll tell you before I get into 604 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.000 the portal thing, one of the crazier things that ever 605 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:13.279 happened to me out there was somehow my life has 606 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.720 been I mean, I've got a crazy life now, okay, 607 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:19.640 but uh, but this was before I got into podcasting 608 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.759 and like being public. I was not public back then 609 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.279 when this happened. But we were hiking into the meadow 610 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:29.079 one night, and uh, and I heard a woman's voice 611 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.720 shield time travel really loud from like across the creek 612 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.039 where I was at we were hiking in, and I 613 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.119 was like, what is that? Well, I haven't tell you, guys, 614 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.599 like my whole life now, like I talk about time 615 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.200 travel all the time, timelines, time, timeline shifts, time bubbles, time. 616 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.319 I'm really I don't know what it is, y'all. 617 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:55.400 You had what was called a Twin Peaks moment, definitely 618 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.039 like out the book that's that's fascinating. 619 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.359 It gets weird, Oh, it gets weirder. So I hear 620 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.880 this woman's voice and she goes it sounded exactly like 621 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.640 what I said, time travel. And I looked at my 622 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.519 friend Tim. Tim was one of the guys who went 623 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.359 into the portal who's passed away now was with him 624 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.759 and his daughter. We had gone in a little bit 625 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.640 early to hike in with him because he was having 626 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:20.440 health This is after the portal incident and he was 627 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.599 having health problems, and so I went with them to 628 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:27.839 go hike in earlies so we could walk slow before 629 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.440 the team came out. And I looked at I was like, 630 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.680 did you hear that? He looks at me, he goes 631 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.640 hear what? I was like, there was a woman's voice, 632 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.480 she said time travel and he was like, no, I 633 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.519 didn't hear it. And I was like, okay, whatever, well, y'all. 634 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.920 It was like two weeks later to two or three 635 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.599 weeks later. I kept hearing that woman's voice in my 636 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.279 head over and over again. I was like, what what 637 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.279 was that? Why did I hear that? And then I 638 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:58.279 realized that was my voice. It took me weeks to 639 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.119 realize that was my voice from across the creek. 640 00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.599 It's like a mimic so like it's got a mimic feature. 641 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.440 I don't know, or I'm a time traveler. 642 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.599 Yeah did was there. 643 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.400 Some rip and time where her voice was able to 644 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.400 come through? 645 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.440 That's oh my god, it was imagine weeks later, yeah, 646 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.920 weeks later. Well, but another thing real quick was that 647 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.319 remote viewing. So I didn't get into like when we 648 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.920 got trained in remote viewing after that trip where I 649 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.440 had the we had the missing time, I had the 650 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.200 equipment malfunctions, and we had the orbs, we had the 651 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.079 we had et activity that weekend that first time I 652 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:43.240 went big footing. It kind of spawned the head of 653 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.160 that team to teach us all remote viewing over the 654 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.680 next ten years, Like we had extensive training and remote viewing, y'all. 655 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.960 And and so I I love remote viewing. It's my 656 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:59.240 favorite hobby, okay, getting help find missing people, soft cold cases, 657 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:03.319 look into stuff, psychically, finding blind targets. I have no 658 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.400 idea what my targets are. I'm giving coordinates. It's a 659 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.280 fun game for me, Okay, But I do these things 660 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.239 called deep mind probes, and I do that whenever i'm 661 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.280 doing a target and like I said, they're blind targets. 662 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.679 So if I hone in on like a consciousness a person, 663 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.880 I can ask them questions. And I've helped locate like 664 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.320 missing bodies and stuff like that before, and it's really wild. 665 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.320 So I was thinking, like, you know, I've done deep 666 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.000 thinking on this. I thinking, well, maybe I did a 667 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.719 deep mind probe on myself that night and said time 668 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.400 traveled to myself. You know, I don't. I'm just trying 669 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.800 to come up with some ideas like what that was right? 670 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.199 But like I said, things get really weird out there. 671 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:47.159 You know. 672 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.440 There's also a Native American spirit legend from uh. I 673 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.800 think it goes back to the eighteen hundreds, maybe earlier, 674 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.320 but it's called the Lusa Fileia As it's like a 675 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:01.199 real it's like a schef. It's like a slender man 676 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:07.039 of the woods, real tall, skinny shadow figure and uh once, 677 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.800 some of the stories I've heard involve it like peeking 678 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:13.719 its head around the tree and it has the face 679 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.800 of whoever it's looking at, but just a little bit 680 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.400 more like mangold and all that. 681 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.920 But that's very interesting that tim actually brings up the 682 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.320 Native Americans because you said that someone told you that 683 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.880 it was a bigfoot kind of going through like this. 684 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:34.239 I guess you called it an initiation. Apparently in Native 685 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:38.920 American lore, it was common for the juvenile little sasquatches 686 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.000 to have to go in front of humans camouflaged by 687 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.119 I don't know if they vibrate at some frequency that 688 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.320 blends them in with nature or what, but they would 689 00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.400 have to do this in order to have this like 690 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:52.960 rite of passage or something. 691 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.440 And you know, that's that's cool, because that's that's where 692 00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.440 I looked at it. It's like it was my initiation, 693 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.880 and it was that things initi as well, because that 694 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.320 was the first time I had ever been bigfooting ever, 695 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:08.000 and it got me into doing it. I'm like, I'm 696 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.320 not saying I'm a full time bigfooter now because that 697 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.519 sounds weird. It's not as a hobby, okay, But I 698 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.159 wouldn't be here today if I had not had that happen, 699 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.599 probably with all that stuff. So it was a major initiation. 700 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.559 I mean, the Metal Project down there coming out with 701 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.199 a documentary, right. 702 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.360 Well, I think think they got something like that what 703 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:30.920 on YouTube already. 704 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.519 Well, it was it was it was Tony Merkle. The 705 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.440 confessionals came out. Him and Joel came out and filmed 706 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.679 with the team and stuff. So it was more like 707 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.159 his video kind of, but the team was there. They 708 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.880 came out to the meadow. Yeah yeah, so uh so 709 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:46.239 I do. 710 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.960 Have a question about the meadow before we get too 711 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.880 far off, But when your team members went through that portal, 712 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.840 now you guys are viewing it, I think from like 713 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.000 some sort of thermal if I remembering it correctly, it 714 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.360 was caught on a thermal camera them going into this 715 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.760 portal that you could see their heat signatures when they 716 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:04.440 went through the portal and they came out. 717 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:05.920 What did they report seeing? 718 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.599 Was it just like they were here and then they 719 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:09.039 were there? 720 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:09.719 For them? 721 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:11.800 Was at their point of view they walked in one 722 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.239 area of the field and maybe came out by the 723 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.480 trees or did they see anything while they were in 724 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:16.960 the portal? 725 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.559 What was that like for them? Well, they didn't know 726 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.840 what they were doing, They didn't know where they were going. 727 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.360 They were just being guided over to a patch of 728 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:30.800 you know woods. I mean it was actually the meadows open. 729 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.920 There were no woods right there. There were some trees 730 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.559 behind the area. But no, they you couldn't see this 731 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.440 thing with your naked eye. You could only see it 732 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.760 through a fleer or a thermal imaging device. Okay, you 733 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.519 couldn't see it, so they did. Okay, if you don't, actually, 734 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.039 i'd probably should start from the beginning about what happened 735 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.760 with that and then kind of lead up to like 736 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.000 what they experienced, because it's pretty interesting. Actually. And so 737 00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.519 the team was out, and I want to get full disclosure. 738 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.199 I had left right before they went out because I 739 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:05.800 had a little child at home. But I'm going to 740 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.480 get to that part in just a second, because I 741 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.719 had activity at my home at the same moment they 742 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.760 were having the portal incident. Okay, So, and I have 743 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:18.840 mine on video actually too. So I had been there. 744 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.239 We had like a full week, full weekend, a bunch 745 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.320 of days out at the meadow, and this was on 746 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.880 I think it was on a Saturday night actually, and 747 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.519 I had gone home early to you know, go take 748 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.639 care of my son and stuff. And so the team 749 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:38.239 had gone out, had hiked out that night. I went home, okay, 750 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.880 but they hiked out there, and it was a big 751 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:42.960 team that broke off. We always break off into little 752 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.119 teams and we go. We post up in different areas 753 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.960 around this meadow. It's like about a couple acres maybe 754 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.639 with some different sections and stuff to it. And so 755 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:54.639 there were some small teams and we just go out there, 756 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.280 and we just observed we're not out there beating trees 757 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.559 and doing wood knocks and whooping and not out there 758 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.960 for the bigfoot. Okay, we're past that. Out there. I'm sorry, 759 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.599 we're out there, you know, having other stuff going on. 760 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.119 I mean, we've got my you know, my own voice 761 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.480 yelling at me from across the creek out there and stuff. 762 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.559 We've got all sorts of a lot of et activity, 763 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.880 a lot of other stuff, let's just call it other. 764 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.400 And and so we got through. 765 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:26.920 It's just like a phenomenon across the boards. 766 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.639 Yes, everything, Oh it's okay, No, it's just it's everything. 767 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.159 So we just go out there just to go see 768 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.880 what's what's up. You know. We we picked this area 769 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.679 because there's a lot of local legend and lore out there. 770 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.599 Legends and lore like ghosts and bigfoots and some what 771 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.639 a lady called monkey bears stuff. You know, if you've 772 00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.320 got a place that has a lot of local legends 773 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.800 and lore. There's probably bigfoots out there, there's probably dog man, 774 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.880 there's probably everything. Okay, so that's where I highly recommend. 775 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.159 What's it the story that the adjacent prop was having 776 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.840 these problems, Like it was a road nearby and then 777 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.880 the director was taking you a look at this road 778 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.719 and he was just sort of drawn to the meadow 779 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:12.400 and it was a it was. 780 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.639 A local legend and lore. Yeah, right, yes, it was 781 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.519 some local legend. I think he had had an experience 782 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.000 with a ghost or something a long time ago and 783 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.639 out there and uh and so yeah, so we we 784 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.559 some of the guys did a little scouting trip out there, 785 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.440 and they had some pretty good success as far as 786 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.559 the high strange justs went, and so they brought the 787 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.519 whole team out and we've been going there ever since. 788 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.840 But okay, so, oh go ahead. Oh. 789 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.519 I was just gonna say, I love that you mentioned 790 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:45.239 high strangeness because that's something so true, especially with this field, 791 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.840 as you can go out looking for bigfoot or maybe 792 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.679 something paranormal and these things do start happening. 793 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.039 That's something that I love. 794 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.679 To explore the theory of how these supernatural things are 795 00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.280 kind of overlapping and these worlds kind of blends. You 796 00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.039 have to you know, be in to it all really 797 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.920 because it's happening. I have a question with your remote viewing. 798 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:04.840 You said that you. 799 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.760 Are using it in your field research and stuff like that. 800 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.280 How have you used that to assist you with your 801 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.599 bigfoot or cryptid you know, field research, Like what are 802 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.639 some of the techniques you're using with that? And then 803 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:22.159 are you still actively taking cases as they come from, 804 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.840 Like do people police departments reach out to you or 805 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:26.760 do you maybe see something on the news and go 806 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.760 I can help with that or kind of how does 807 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.280 I'd love to hear more about that. 808 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:31.239 I'm so curious. 809 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.760 Oh yeah, well I get reached out to quite a 810 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.519 bit because now that I've talked about it publicly and 811 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.440 I've had I've been tasked with with these blind targets 812 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.000 of cases of people that have gone missing, like Mara 813 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.599 Murray is one of them, I think, and she's a 814 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.960 young lady. I think she's up in Connecticut that went missing, 815 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:50.920 and I had gotten a lot of data. You know, 816 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.239 people like that like their families will you know somehow 817 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.320 they get you know, these videos of me discussing some 818 00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.760 of the data with whoever I'm doing shows with and 819 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.440 people reach out to me with more information and asking 820 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.159 to look into it more sometimes. But you know, my 821 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.679 team works. This is all kind of private stuff, so 822 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.400 like I don't really talk about it very often, but 823 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.679 law enforcement has reached out to my We're basically a 824 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.880 remote viewing team. I can't talk tonight a remote viewing team. 825 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.119 We're a big foot field research team, but we're remote 826 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.599 viewers as well, and local law enforcement does reach out 827 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.159 to us sometimes for cold cases. I was reached out 828 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.800 to by the Nancy Gray Show to do to work 829 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.960 on a cold case and did a did a big 830 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.360 old target for them and all my data. They were like, 831 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.199 they argued with me about it. They're like, no, there's 832 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.280 no way it could have been his friend. And I 833 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.199 was like, well, my remote viewing data says it was 834 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.400 his friend that did this, and there was a fight, 835 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.119 and like I went through the whole scenario and they 836 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.400 argued with me about it and shout out to their team. 837 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.920 By the way, it wasn't Nancy, it was her partner 838 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.639 that was on that show. And turns out out all 839 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:01.719 my data was right. They ended up finding the guy's 840 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.039 body where I said and everything, so but anyways, people 841 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.199 do reach out to me about it, and yeah, it's 842 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:10.840 that kind of a thing. We use it as far 843 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.679 as like finding locations. I also like to do people 844 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.559 reach out to me with targets. These are just friends. 845 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:18.159 I don't just do. 846 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.639 Targets for anybody all. It takes a lot out of me. Okay, 847 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.320 but other remote viewing friends of mine, like they'll send 848 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.559 me targets. They'll be like treasure hunting in Mexico, like 849 00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:29.719 where's where's the buried gold? You know, and stuff like that. 850 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.840 And we have had some success with that, by the way. 851 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:37.079 But but yeah, it's we use it as far as 852 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.800 like getting coordinate. We can get like the coordinates of 853 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.039 the location and I can remote view the property and 854 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.039 we can see what kind of activity is going on there, 855 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:49.039 cryptids and all that. 856 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.760 Is it true like places like the Pyramids or some 857 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.800 of these other you know, microlithic structures. I've heard that 858 00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.800 other remote viewers aren't able to penetrate it. Are there 859 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.000 some places that you've maybe you got a target or 860 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.039 something and you try to remote view it and for 861 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.360 whatever reason, there was some sort of psychic block. 862 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.280 Uh No, not for me. I Like I said, I've 863 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.800 been training this for a long time. I have I 864 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.360 have gotten Listen, there's certain things that we're trained, like 865 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.159 you don't remote view and uh. And I got really 866 00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.280 comfortable remote viewing and talking about it publicly and that 867 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.000 was a mistake. And I did get a proverbial knock 868 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.400 at my door. And and I gotta tell you the 869 00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:28.559 one target. It's not Bigfoot, it's not dog Man. It 870 00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:33.239 was the moon. Okay, So so I learned my lesson 871 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.239 with that one was the moon landing. 872 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.199 Well, that's that's what the laura is within the remote 873 00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:44.239 viewing community. They don't go to the moon. There's a 874 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.960 couple of us. Yeah, Neptune as well, don't go there. 875 00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:48.800 Whoa. 876 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.159 I've remote viewed all of it though, And uh, it's 877 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:53.800 I think I think the thing about it is like 878 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:58.320 not talking publicly about it more so. I don't know, 879 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.599 maybe that's just me or maybe Yeah, like I said, 880 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.880 I have no fear, and it's gonna get me. It 881 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:03.079 gets me in trouble sometimes. 882 00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:07.039 So you run into other worldly entities. 883 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:11.440 Like I do. Well, I'm trained also to like not 884 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.960 engage with lower vibrational entities. Yeah, so I don't engage 885 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.800 with them, but I do. I do come across them. 886 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:19.320 Yeah. 887 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.840 So I was bringing a CIA document one time for 888 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.760 something I was working on and they were talking about 889 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:25.800 it was some of the big names in the remote 890 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:27.599 viewing field and they were remote viewing. I think it 891 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.320 was Jupiter, and I don't think the way it sound 892 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.639 is like they didn't just go straight to Jupiter. It's 893 00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.320 like they kind of travel through space to get to Jupiter, 894 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.639 because they talked about seeing spaceships hiding now in the 895 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.840 asteroid belt along the way. I would you know, So 896 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.760 is that what we're talking about? Like are you are 897 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.639 you seeing a target and actually like seeing other forms 898 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.239 of life? 899 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.920 Yes, I have been. I have a whole playlist over 900 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.599 on my YouTube channel, the Cryptic Hunters channel, And I 901 00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.880 do a lot of work with my friend Barry Littleton. 902 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:03.039 He gives me He's a wonderful researcher but very much 903 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:08.800 an ET contact e and all that does phenomenal research. 904 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.559 But he has oftentimes given me these blind targets where 905 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.119 I'm just given a set of coordinates, and one of 906 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.159 them was the Trappest one Star system. There's a group 907 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:24.440 of dwarf planets. Brown dwarf planets like Mate make or 908 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.239 something and Hymeia and I can't remember their names, but 909 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.239 all these different oh the Lights on series as well, 910 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.159 Like there's lights on some of these planets. And I 911 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.920 do a lot of work with actual I want to 912 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:40.519 say victims, but people who have been part of the 913 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:44.000 secret space programs as well, and they have all this 914 00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.079 testimony and people are like, well, you know, there's no 915 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.320 way to verify this testimony. Well, it's crazy because I'm 916 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.719 getting all these targets of all these off planet targets 917 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.000 of these planets, and I am seeing Earth. I'm thinking 918 00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:01.639 I'm remote viewing Earth because there's humans, apartment buildings, there 919 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:06.519 are shopping centers, their highways, their cars. A lot of 920 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:10.360 these times, I'm like when I'm asked after the my sessions, 921 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.760 they're like, he's like, well, what did you see? Him? Like, well, 922 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.519 it looks like Earth in the future, but there's slavery involved. 923 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:21.039 There's a bunch of slavery and stuff, and so it's 924 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.960 just telling me, it's showing me, and it's backing up 925 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.239 a lot of the testimony from some of these people 926 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:27.639 that it claimed to be in some of these twenty 927 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.679 and back programs with a secret space program and stuff. 928 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.800 So I've been doing a lot of work with those people. 929 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:38.440 Actually, that's what mcmonagle was talking about podcasts. I heard 930 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.400 him on his He thought he was remote viewing Earth, 931 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.360 but it turned out it was Mars and he was 932 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:49.039 looking at human like entities, except they were like bigger 933 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.800 or like us but bigger. Yeah, and they were like 934 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.159 in some sort of a sleep, like like a chyrogenic 935 00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:58.440 sleep or something like that. 936 00:47:58.519 --> 00:47:58.840 I don't know. 937 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.719 Oh, yeah, giants here. We have giants like that here 938 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:08.039 too on Earth remote some of that in stasis they 939 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:08.480 are ye. 940 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.000 Would models did it? He was kind of tricked into 941 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.679 it by the Monroe Institute because that wasn't normally his handler, 942 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.719 and they gave him the targets handlers, right, Well, you 943 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.079 know you got that person helping the remote viewer that 944 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:25.960 that's the targets. 945 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.119 And we like to call them taskers. Handler sounds so 946 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:30.639 aw mk ult, that's all good. 947 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.880 Hand Want to know about the Moon now? 948 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:34.239 I know? 949 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:35.639 Yeah, me too, don't have to go. 950 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:35.960 There, but. 951 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:39.639 Like intrigued by that? 952 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.039 Yeah, well, I can also tell you that I've I've 953 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:46.440 been given targets like weapon Earth's weaponized natural portals. Okay, 954 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.679 so when I was when I say that I've done 955 00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:50.519 some weird targets and stuff. I mean, but they are 956 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.719 so wild, y'all. And uh and when I did, when 957 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.559 I was given that target, I got into the session 958 00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.360 and I do It's called coordinate remote viewing. I'm trained 959 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.840 in several different modes of remote viewing. The one that 960 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.920 I use the most is coordinate remote viewing, so that 961 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:05.159 I can have some data like written out on paper 962 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.960 so you can see my thought process or the you know, 963 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.239 the how the information's flowing out and stuff, you know, 964 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:16.719 and all my sensory data and everything. But but I 965 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:21.400 was tasked with this target of Earth's weaponized natural portals, 966 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.159 and I was I started off that target in the 967 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.079 sun like a portal in the sun, which actually would 968 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.119 kind of back up the theory that the Sun is 969 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.360 a portal and it's connected to Earth somehow. Okay, So 970 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.159 I don't know, it's really odd. 971 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.840 That's in a Pearl Jam song too, is it just? 972 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:46.320 It's also a Sleep song. There's this band called Sleep 973 00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:47.239 called End to the Sun. 974 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.000 The guy from Pearl Jam talks about there. He's like, 975 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.679 there's a window in the sun. It's in one of 976 00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:55.280 the songs. And I always thought he was talking about 977 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.719 a portal. That's cool though, Like are you when you say. 978 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:00.840 That black spot? 979 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.880 You know that little black spot that they always talked about, 980 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.119 that little weak spot that's on there. They always have 981 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.480 something that's closed by there, pulling some plasma or something 982 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:11.039 away from it. 983 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.519 M it's like the same thing on that thing, the portal, 984 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.480 you know, the little there's a cube makes a gram 985 00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:18.000 on Saturn. 986 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:19.000 Uh. 987 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:20.800 That is something else that I've been tasked with as 988 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:24.280 a target is the black cube that's tethered to the sun. 989 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:26.440 It's like right there by the sun. It's like this 990 00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:29.559 gigantic my remov you and data. So it was just 991 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:33.360 like a big massive AI, like ancient like AI and 992 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:37.280 this big cube is. It was actually very doom and 993 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:38.400 gloom kind of stuff. 994 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:42.159 Very imagine yeah, very Saturn. 995 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:43.079 Oh man. 996 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:48.039 So with all the stuff that you've done, h like, 997 00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:52.360 are there cryptids or cases that are like still on 998 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.280 your bucket list? You know, like or have you done 999 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:55.639 it all? 1000 00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.880 I've pretty much done it all, but I mean there's 1001 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.440 all always something. There's always new cryptis and creatures and stuff. 1002 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.039 I Mean, lately my big thing has been getting out 1003 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.800 and doing like dog man investigations and getting out and 1004 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.800 hiking five six miles into the woods the national forest 1005 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.199 or the woods not national it's private land too. To 1006 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:19.000 do you know where people had been accosted or charged 1007 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.159 up by dogmen and stuff like that. So I do. 1008 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:27.000 I do that kind of stuff too. So hey, Harley, 1009 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:28.719 what's up, Harley? I was just out with Harley not 1010 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:34.719 too long ago up in East Tennessee. Operation it was, Yes, 1011 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.800 that was the operation that time. Yes, yeah, yeah, we 1012 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.880 went up there. We're always I'm I'm always out there. 1013 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:47.480 I'm always down for some woods time for sure. But uh, 1014 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:49.920 you know, about a year a year or so ago, 1015 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.199 we did like a skin walker investigation, which was really cool. 1016 00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.800 I've got a big question. Sorry, this is one, or 1017 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.239 it might not be a big one for you. This 1018 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:05.159 might be like a walk through the park. But uh 1019 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.400 so you've you've done a lot right, and you've bumped 1020 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.320 up against a lot of very strange things while doing 1021 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.239 your personal investigations. Are you able to take some of 1022 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.079 that stuff, all that all that unknown and put it 1023 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:24.119 into like a pile of data where you like go 1024 00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.559 and think about what this actually is? Like? Is this 1025 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.119 like what John Kill talked about, Like it's the phenomenon, 1026 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.639 just like chooses to become, it chooses how it manifests itself. 1027 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.599 Like sometimes it's Bigfoot, sometimes it's Ufo, sometimes it's Poltergeist. 1028 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.679 What do you think from your data that you what 1029 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:43.639 do you think is going on? 1030 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.519 Well, I have to tell you. As long as I've 1031 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.440 been doing this stuff, I can promise you I don't 1032 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.639 know anything. Okay, I literally don't know anything. Just when 1033 00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.199 I think I've got it figured out, something else happens 1034 00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.760 and it all goes out the window. Okay. So I honestly, 1035 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.320 I think the most wise thing that anyone who's been 1036 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:08.159 in this long enough can tell anyone publicly is I 1037 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:12.920 don't know nothing, okay about it? Now, I will say 1038 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.920 that I do believe that a lot of these cryptids 1039 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:21.280 are solid mass, flesh and bone. Absolutely. But can they 1040 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:27.559 access Earth's natural portals? Absolutely? Okay? Can they change their frequency? 1041 00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:29.239 We're all on different frequencies. I don't know if you 1042 00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.320 guys are familiar with, like you know, their vibrational for 1043 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.880 I know y'all know about the vibrational frequency, but like 1044 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.599 getting on a high vibe or like low vibe. You know, 1045 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.039 there have been times in my life where I've actually, 1046 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:43.199 uh oh, I never finished my story y'all about the meadow. 1047 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:44.239 I'm so sorry. 1048 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.360 Well we kept interrupting. 1049 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.199 Well, well we were getting into like the whole and 1050 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:51.599 this is going to pertain to what I was about 1051 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:56.599 to say. Okay, so let me finish the portal incident 1052 00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.480 at the meadow real quick, and then I'm gonna circle back, 1053 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.679 because as the guys went were sent okay, some of 1054 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.079 the guys, David Pardue was noticing that there was a 1055 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:07.679 cube that showed up in the middle of the meadow 1056 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.519 and he thought he was seeing things. It was like 1057 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.559 a house, like the size of a shed in your backyard. 1058 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.920 Something had like windows on it. It was just this 1059 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.199 cube and he could only see it through his fleaar 1060 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.559 and so he handed off his fleer to my friend Terry. 1061 00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.159 Terry looked, He's like, yeah, that's weird. And so they 1062 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.719 called over to the guys across the field and they said, hey, 1063 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.800 y'all go check this out. Got on there. You know, 1064 00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:31.920 we got our hand radios out there. Called him over. 1065 00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:36.280 They were guided over to where this cube was. Kristin 1066 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:40.320 pulled out her flear and she started her thermal. She 1067 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.639 started recording. She had the record button on, and so 1068 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.159 you can see. So the video that they have to 1069 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:49.880 this day is the guys walking over, being guided over 1070 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.800 by radio over to this cube, and as they walked 1071 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:56.559 up to it, their heat signatures disappeared. Now, they did 1072 00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.199 describe going in this thing. They didn't know they were 1073 00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:03.199 in anything. They just standing in the field, okay, But 1074 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.360 on camera they disappeared, and they said that they noticed 1075 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:11.719 that the vegetation changed on the ground from brushy and 1076 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:15.039 like hard to walk through briers and stuff to smooth, 1077 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.519 smooth ground. The stars disappeared, and they said the temperature 1078 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.199 slightly changed a little bit. Then I said, I got 1079 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.599 a little bit cold. And they realized there was something 1080 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:26.480 wrong because they're both trained in remote viewing. This is 1081 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:32.239 Bob and Tim. Both of them are were tired military 1082 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.199 special Forces search and rescue guys and trained in remote 1083 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:41.440 viewing and longtime woodsmen, okay, survivalists. They knew there was 1084 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.519 something off, so they backed out of They didn't know 1085 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:46.679 they were in anything, but they kind of backed out 1086 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:51.599 and they reappeared, and as they reappeared, this cube shrunk 1087 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:56.679 down and it floated away. And so it's just it's 1088 00:55:56.719 --> 00:56:00.360 all really weird, right, well, as they're having this incident 1089 00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:04.400 out in the meadow. I'm at home. My son is 1090 00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:06.880 really happy to see me because I've been gone out 1091 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.719 in the field. You staying with my with his grandma. 1092 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.880 And I was married at the time, and his dad, 1093 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.119 my husband at the time, was filming my son. He 1094 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:18.920 had a camera phone out and my son was on 1095 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.800 the elliptical machine and he was like having fun, and 1096 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.239 so his dad was like filming him on his camera phone, 1097 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.559 video phone, whatever you call it. And so my son 1098 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:33.159 is like, you know, yelling and just real happy. And 1099 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:36.840 then I hear his dad say, hey, you need to 1100 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.239 come see this. You're gonna like what, You're gonna like, 1101 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:42.559 what this? What's in here or something. So I walked 1102 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:44.679 in from the kitchen and I'm watching these balls of 1103 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.480 light floating around my son. And I got to tell you, 1104 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.559 it's the same time the portal incidents having. There's two 1105 00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.239 orbs in my living room and they're floating and my 1106 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.519 son and my son's like mom ball, ball, mom ball, 1107 00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.800 and he's pointing at them, and he's chasing them with 1108 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:02.960 his finger. So you can see that he's clearly seeing 1109 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.880 them because he's following them with his finger and I'm 1110 00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:07.480 seeing them. I'm trying. You can hear me in the 1111 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:11.480 video say, well, what are those moths or those bugs? 1112 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.559 And because I was having a hard time figuring out 1113 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.280 what I was looking at, well, his dad could not 1114 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.199 see them with his eyes. He could only see them 1115 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:24.239 through the screen on his phone. So he's videoing them. 1116 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:25.920 Can't see them with his eyes, but he can see 1117 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:29.239 them on his phone. And so eventually one of those 1118 00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:33.840 orbs shoots into his phone and powers the phone off. Okay, 1119 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:40.400 well that showed me that not everybody sees what I see. Okay, 1120 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.039 it might be picked up on camera or whatever. But see, 1121 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:47.400 we're all on these different vibrational frequencies, and sometimes I'm 1122 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.159 going to see things that y'all aren't gonna see. You know, 1123 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.280 y'all are gonna see things that I can't see. It 1124 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:53.960 just depends on if you're on that same like it's 1125 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:56.360 like a radio frequency. If we're on the same frequency 1126 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.760 with some of these cryptids out there, we're gonna have 1127 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.800 an encounter. If you're not, you won't. And even that 1128 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:05.280 even pertains to you know. I mean, I've had ET's 1129 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.800 in my bedroom since all this happened and stuff, and 1130 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:09.760 I saw ET's in my room. Well, when I was 1131 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.960 a kid, I was seeing ghosts like humans, solid humans, 1132 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.800 and I'm thinking like, well, that was that projected into 1133 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.039 my mind and they were actually aliens the whole time. 1134 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.039 You know, I don't know. It's just all a matter 1135 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:26.920 of frequency and perception and and that that's all that is, 1136 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.559 I guess, but not not everybody is going to have 1137 00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:37.079 the same experience as someone who's standing right beside you, Okay. 1138 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.559 So that's why I'm always telling people like, you know, 1139 00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:41.920 we I have a lot of success. I guess you 1140 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.400 could call it out in the field anytime I go. 1141 00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:46.480 My my teammates used to always be like, oh, come 1142 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:50.239 with us, you know, Jessica brings the craziness, the high strangeness. Well, 1143 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.400 I I generally have a pretty high vibe, okay. And 1144 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:58.199 and I go out with an open heart, no fear, okay. 1145 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:02.599 And and I think that opens me and everyone else 1146 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.679 up to having more experiences out in the woods with 1147 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.280 things that aren't supposed to exist, okay. And that's why 1148 00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:10.679 I encourage everyone to have a high vibe, you know, 1149 00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.119 do your inner work, heal your traumas and all that 1150 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:17.599 kind of stuff. Be trying to be as high vibe 1151 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.599 as you can. I know it's hard these days, but 1152 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.360 if you're out there doing cryptid field research, it's important 1153 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:25.199 that you go out there with that kind. 1154 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.840 Of an antitude and you saying, you know, no fear. 1155 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:31.320 That's a huge aspect of it as well, because when 1156 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.400 you fear these things, I think that's what they feed 1157 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:37.639 off of as far as energy wise, you know, oh yeah, 1158 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.159 and it could also make them manifest as even more terrifying. 1159 00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:47.159 I think perception is reality. That Trouble is a good guy. 1160 00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.679 I wanted to go back to you when you was 1161 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:55.559 talking earlier, when we first started. He was talking about, 1162 00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:59.920 you know, the different people who had come in content 1163 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.239 with book. But I had wrote an article about a 1164 01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:06.159 year and a half two years ago called inky Do 1165 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.039 the wild Man. He's supposed to come from the epic 1166 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:12.400 of Gilga mass I'm pretty sure you heard about him. 1167 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:16.679 The amount of research that I've done, I've I kind 1168 01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.760 of feel like that's considered the first description of a bigfoot, 1169 01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.679 and that's just my opinion. I'm only because of the 1170 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:28.039 way they depict you know, Inky Do and talk about 1171 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.840 how inky Do lived among the animals and he was 1172 01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:35.440 just enough human but just enough animal like to be 1173 01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:39.719 considered a wild man that was depicted like probably like 1174 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:46.159 an animal slash human type thing. But my question is 1175 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:50.360 like when it comes to these, uh to the cryptids, 1176 01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.039 it always seems like they always have some kind of 1177 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:57.079 correlation with some ancient myth and it's not as what 1178 01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.280 we would be able to describe today. It would be 1179 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:01.199 more like to tell phone game. You know, I tell 1180 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:04.039 somebody thinking that somebody tell somebody something. By the time 1181 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.840 it gets to the tenth person, it's a whole total 1182 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:10.280 different story with a foundation that may be true, but 1183 01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:14.199 the overall story is not accurate or you know, close to. 1184 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:14.880 It or whatnot. 1185 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.639 And you know, it's amazing because you have a lot 1186 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.519 of correlations with you know, UFOs and UAPs and all 1187 01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:24.800 this other stuff. You know, there's always you have to 1188 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.880 you know, you got Native Americans who talk about portals 1189 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.079 and stargates and stuff like that. You know, we can't 1190 01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:34.079 dismiss what people are explaining to us. I mean, we 1191 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.039 may not fully understand how it's used, or how it 1192 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.000 comes about or when it, you know, comes to, but 1193 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.840 we do know that since the beginning of Man, man 1194 01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:47.320 has been trying to track the stars to understand what 1195 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.679 is going on here on earth, right, like from agricultural 1196 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:54.840 needs to you know, practicing meditation where you can control 1197 01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:59.400 your dreams and lucid dreaming or astro projection. And if 1198 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:04.320 these portals are there and they are able to help 1199 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:08.760 people cross over easier, that that's a good thing. But 1200 01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:10.840 I think we went away from that because we found 1201 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:13.960 psychedelics that also helped with that, and that ows up 1202 01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:17.400 opens up a whole nother realm, right, if you agree? 1203 01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.320 Are you asking me about psychedelics? Yeah? 1204 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.119 Like, do you agree? 1205 01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:25.199 Like that opens up like a whole new thing to 1206 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.280 the to the stargates, in the in the. 1207 01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:33.599 Maybe, I mean I guess it could. Sure. I mean 1208 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:37.679 it's all consciousness, right, So yeah, I mean that's that's 1209 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.719 a big thing that we work on with, you know. 1210 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.480 I Mean, I've been trained in a lot of mind control, 1211 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.800 and that's not controlling y'all's minds but mine, okay, And 1212 01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.400 I think that's a huge part of also being in 1213 01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.599 a very effective cryptid field researcher is to have your 1214 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:55.920 head straight, okay, and to be able to be calm 1215 01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:00.280 and really messed up situations okay when everybody else's else 1216 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:03.679 all around you. You gotta be zen okay, and uh and 1217 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.400 so yeah, it's all it's I mean, I'm I don't 1218 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.920 have a lot of experience with that personally, Okay, so 1219 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:10.760 but I do know. 1220 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:15.480 I'm sorry, Jessy ahead, I was gonna ask if you 1221 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:22.880 ever tried to remote view, uh, the the myceellium, I. 1222 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:27.199 I okay, Well, well it depends because I have had 1223 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:30.800 targets where we've looked into spacecrafts that were actually made 1224 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.960 of my celium. Okay, so yes, living craft. Yeah, it's 1225 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:38.199 a big thing. Actually, if you go over to my 1226 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.559 buddy very little since channel man, he's he's got a 1227 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:44.719 lot of information on that over on his channel. But yeah, 1228 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.280 I I have not remote view other than that though, 1229 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.920 as far as I believe that the my celium goes. Yeah, 1230 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:52.519 but I want to. 1231 01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:55.559 I was. 1232 01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:58.320 I was just gonna say, fungus sports can survive in space, 1233 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:00.760 and they have a white spot and a black spots, 1234 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:02.760 so when they're hit by light, they start to rotate 1235 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.800 and start to move. So yeah, it makes a lot 1236 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:10.440 of sense of fungus and like living spacecraft exists. 1237 01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.440 Oh yeah, I mean I was up in speaking, Well, 1238 01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:16.920 there's a whole lot of you were seeing a whole 1239 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:19.800 lot of different really good points. I wanted to address 1240 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:21.519 all of them, but I don't remember all of them 1241 01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:23.679 right now, but I can, okay. So one of the 1242 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.679 things was we talk about like the living craft, Well, 1243 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.320 what are they talking about now, like out with the 1244 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:34.280 disclosures talking about psionics? Right, And they've got like remote 1245 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.480 viewers like myself that are out there, like I mean, 1246 01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.159 they can control spacecraft with their minds, right, and things 1247 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:44.320 to that nature. Well, when I was I was probably 1248 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:47.039 probably about thirteen years ago or more, I was up 1249 01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.039 in North Carolina with my friend Chief David, up in 1250 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:54.320 near Cherokee, and he took us up to this mountaintop 1251 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.039 near Cashers, North Carolina. And I don't know if you 1252 01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.199 guys are familiar with the sky ships over Cashers, these 1253 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.039 UFOs that are have been seen there for decades, right, 1254 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.039 And and we went camping at the top of this mountain. 1255 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.199 Not only did we have like s walker activity, we 1256 01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:10.719 had bigfoot activity. 1257 01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:11.239 I was having. 1258 01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:13.159 There's all sorts of weird stuff going on up there. 1259 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.800 But he said, do you guys want me to call 1260 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:18.920 in the sky ships? You know, he'd just taken us 1261 01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:23.519 to Judicola rock if you'all know about Judicola and a 1262 01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:27.840 big petroglyph rock in the middle of a pasture basically 1263 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.840 tells the story of creation and look from the stars 1264 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:32.960 and stuff. He said that he's from the stars. I 1265 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:36.880 believe there's a connection to the Palladians actually, But he 1266 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.480 he said, would you like for me to call in 1267 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.000 the sky ships? And I was like, hey, yeah, And 1268 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:43.440 he pulled out his staff that had like a crystal 1269 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:45.639 on it and he started chanting. I don't know what 1270 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.639 he was doing, but sure enough, we had four sky 1271 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:51.480 ships that came and hovered over us all night when 1272 01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:53.719 he did that. So there is some sort of and 1273 01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:55.519 I'm not saying those sky ships were made out of 1274 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:57.400 my celium and stuff, but they were. It's almost like 1275 01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.639 they were living craft. Okay, And and I do think 1276 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.599 that they they're out there. They're definitely out there, but. 1277 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:08.039 Also organic craft. Yeah, yeah, I. 1278 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:09.880 Think the organ craft would be my sheelium. 1279 01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:12.199 Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 1280 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.400 It's like the movie Nope, have you guys seen that. 1281 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.039 I love it. It's a great movie. 1282 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:22.320 Actually, I have no You have got to add that 1283 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:26.239 to your list. Yeah, basically it's Kiki Palmer. 1284 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:26.800 I love her. 1285 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:30.599 Her and the guy from Get Out There like living 1286 01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.000 in this old kind of farmhouse in the desert and 1287 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:35.760 they're having this strange stuff I think happened. It's like 1288 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.000 raining coins and stuff is happening to their their cattles. 1289 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.119 And basically, not to spoil the movie, but it's an 1290 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.800 organic UFO craft and it really explores the idea of 1291 01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:50.440 UFO's being more of an intelligent, organic like actual being 1292 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.280 rather than maybe a mode of transportation. 1293 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.440 This thing isn't nice though, it's it's it's very. 1294 01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.880 Hungry and it isn't nice. 1295 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.199 The guys from the Corn do a very good job 1296 01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.360 of talking about stuff like that too, like they have 1297 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:08.480 a whole book actually on it. So it's wild. 1298 01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:13.679 I've had on my show several times we talked about Yeah. 1299 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.559 Dude, phil A Dare, I think his name Philip the 1300 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.000 Dare maybe one of these guys from back in the 1301 01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:22.079 day day. I think he was on Coast to Coast 1302 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:25.000 quite a bit. But he said that he saw a 1303 01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:29.639 craft in a government warehouse type situation and it was 1304 01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:34.599 a living craft they had integrated by biological material into 1305 01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:37.519 the craft itself, or it was just a lie. It 1306 01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:39.440 was it was like it was like a version of 1307 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:47.239 like mechanics and biologics. I'm sorry, David Dare, that's a 1308 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:48.079 crazy case. 1309 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:50.639 I think I remember that episode that. 1310 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.639 You could remote you. 1311 01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.840 Well, you guys have heard of like motherships, right, motherships 1312 01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:59.360 and working with all the secret Space program people and 1313 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.719 a lot of people knew FO communities. Uh they talk 1314 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:05.920 about these motherships, right, and uh and they say that, 1315 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:09.119 you know, I talk a lot about cloning and uh, 1316 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.320 soul transfers, consciousness transfers and things like that. I know 1317 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.159 that's kind of a huge rabbit hole to go down, 1318 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:17.760 but you know, I even I kind of make light 1319 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.279 of it by talking about like all these celebrities clones. 1320 01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:23.279 It's very popular right now, transhumanism stuff. 1321 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:28.479 Yeah, unfortunately it is. Yes, Unfortunately I'm team human all 1322 01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:28.800 the way. 1323 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:29.560 Me too. 1324 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:34.479 Yeah, yeah, we all should be. But but yeah they're okay. 1325 01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:37.199 So we're talking about like consciousness transfers, right, because we're 1326 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:38.800 trying to figure out, like, well, how do they transfer 1327 01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:41.560 consciousness from like like say, somebody they made a clone 1328 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.439 of all of us, like each of us had a clone. 1329 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.119 How are they going to put our consciousness in that clone? 1330 01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.319 It's weird, right, there's technology. It's like alien technology that's 1331 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:50.920 able to do that, and they've been doing it for 1332 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.880 probably centuries, probably for millions of beers for all you know. 1333 01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:02.319 But that talking that shows that transcendence by John. That's 1334 01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:03.800 a really good movie if you want to know how 1335 01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:08.800 they're trying to transfer. Uh, yes, that is a great movie. 1336 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:13.800 Yes, yes, Well they talk about these motherships, right, and 1337 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:17.039 what I've been told is they actually have and they 1338 01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:22.199 usually have women, Okay, like women's consciousness. I don't know 1339 01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:24.000 if this is part of the super Soldier program or what, 1340 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:28.800 but they take women, they transfer their consciousness to these ships. Okay, 1341 01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:32.199 and like the consciousness because it's like an actual human 1342 01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:36.239 consciousness that's transferred into those ships. Okay. So I don't know, 1343 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:37.880 it's a rabbit hole. You guys want to do some 1344 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.640 research on that. I don't know how it works. 1345 01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:41.800 Yeah. 1346 01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:46.199 Also, something else I wanted to address that you had 1347 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:49.520 mentioned about the you know, things getting kind of skewed, 1348 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:52.079 Like as far as the cryptids go, if they've been 1349 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.800 around for a long time and I go to the maps, 1350 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:59.439 like the old world maps, okay, like the Periorice map, 1351 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:02.000 things like that, you can find a lot of cryptids 1352 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.000 on these maps. Like I just did a show on Blimmy's. 1353 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:10.760 I love Blimmy's. Okay, headless tribes of headless people, headless men, 1354 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:17.840 warring tribes of headless people their chests, yes, yes, also 1355 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.239 we got those. We have dog headed men. We have Well, 1356 01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:25.680 there's these things called I call them monopods or like 1357 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:29.119 humans that are just like have like their bodies are 1358 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:31.600 like mermaids, but they're they're a big foot at the bottom. 1359 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:33.479 I know it's weird, but you can find these things 1360 01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:37.800 on these maps. Uh, even dragons, okay, dragons. 1361 01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:38.159 Hey. 1362 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:41.319 Christopher Columbus used to talk about him in his journals. 1363 01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:45.079 He actually has in his journals if I haven't marked 1364 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:47.640 in there where he talked about certain He said that 1365 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:53.840 they killed a an ape like human, but they had 1366 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:55.119 to cut the paws off. 1367 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.560 They said they actually eat. They actually put the words 1368 01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:58.720 paws in there. 1369 01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:00.640 And some people could look at that is like, oh, 1370 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:03.600 it's esoteric because like these guys had dog heads. That 1371 01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:06.079 means that they were stoic, right, That means that they 1372 01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.960 were because dog symbolism or wolf symbolism goes back into 1373 01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:13.239 representing like loyalty, and you know, a man's best friend 1374 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.600 right that archetype and so, but I think they're dog 1375 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:17.079 headed men. 1376 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:17.960 I mean, if you want me. 1377 01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:21.720 To want it's literal, I think it's literal because we've 1378 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.920 I have been face to face with something that was 1379 01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:27.159 probably I'm not going to say it was definitely dog man, 1380 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:29.239 but I think it was a dog man because and 1381 01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:31.159 it's not because of me. I'm still confused as to 1382 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:35.079 what I was looking at. Leaving the Alabama forest late, 1383 01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:37.119 late late, when night was like twelve thirty one o'clock 1384 01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:39.840 in the morning, I was by myself, and I was 1385 01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.319 in an area where a hunter had been found dead 1386 01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.720 with his arm ripped off in his leg pulled up 1387 01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:47.039 behind the back of his body, with his foot up 1388 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:51.520 here behind his head. And the property where I was 1389 01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:54.479 passing where I saw these two creatures which looked like 1390 01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:59.720 a mix between African dogs, bear and cougar. That's how 1391 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:01.359 I I can the only way I can describe it, 1392 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:05.439 crouched down in the grass looking at it. It was weird. 1393 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:08.760 But the man who lives on that of property right 1394 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:12.039 there has had a couple of dog men that he'd 1395 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:14.000 been seeing out there, so I'm assuming I saw dog 1396 01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:18.039 men when I was leaving late that night. But but 1397 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.319 I I have too many reports, y'all. I have chased 1398 01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:23.199 too many things. I've seen too many things in my 1399 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.399 own eyes that aren't supposed to exist. There's no way, 1400 01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.439 I mean, I believe Now, Are they are dog men here? Yes? 1401 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:31.920 Do I believe dogmen? 1402 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:32.119 Is this? 1403 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:32.880 Absolutely? 1404 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:34.680 Been to Mississippi. 1405 01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:36.880 I have been to Mississippi. 1406 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.640 That's where I live. There's a tailor dog man up 1407 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:41.560 by Oxford. Have you ever heard of that. 1408 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:46.720 Yes, I've heard a lot about the tailor Mississippi dog Men. 1409 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.960 Actually I have. There's there's some stories. Yeah, well I've 1410 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:55.680 heard some stories that are maybe fictitional, but they're based 1411 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:59.800 on true stories. Okay, I've heard that before. So yeah, 1412 01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:01.560 we have dog men all over the place. We have 1413 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:04.199 more dog man sidings. We have were wolves. We actually 1414 01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.520 I've done a several different shows where we've talked about 1415 01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:10.279 all the were We're called them were wolves, but I 1416 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:14.000 think they're dog men. The county that I just moved from, 1417 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.720 the county I grew up in, they're known for their 1418 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:20.560 were wolves. They're they're they're North Northern High School in 1419 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.239 the north part of county are called the the Wolves, 1420 01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:26.399 the wolf Pack, okay, but but for decades there have 1421 01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:30.399 been wolf wolfs, wolf man, I guess I call them 1422 01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:34.720 wolf man. Uh, dog men, yeah, dog men and uh 1423 01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:38.079 wolfman's hidings. Uh. There's actually just north of where I 1424 01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.720 live now, up in Rome, Georgia, there was an attack 1425 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:46.760 on a family, entire family recently in the past few 1426 01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:49.800 years of a whole family that got attacked by a 1427 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:51.760 were wolf. Up there is like a nine foot tall 1428 01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:56.279 were wolf and and that is a very well known case. 1429 01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:59.840 Actually at of North Georgia, Dalton, Georgia, Rome, Floyd County, 1430 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.159 lots of lots of dog man and werewolf sightings up there, 1431 01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:06.199 and Paulding as well. That's where those where the were 1432 01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:08.600 wolves are up there. I've done I've done shows on 1433 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:10.239 all of them. By the way, they're all on my CHND. 1434 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.199 They also see them well. 1435 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:15.920 And when Tigrone talks about how a lot of these 1436 01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:19.800 cryptids do have these ancient backgrounds. When you look into dogmen, 1437 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:22.319 that goes all the way back to Egypt with you know, 1438 01:14:22.439 --> 01:14:26.760 the Egyptian gods Anebus and you know, being the one 1439 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:28.720 who transfers you to the dead. And when you talk 1440 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:31.479 about were wolves and dog man, I think it's interesting 1441 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:36.359 because with were wolves, from what I understand is they 1442 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:40.319 transform back into that human being, but dog men kind 1443 01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:43.439 of stay in that hybrid state. So there does seem 1444 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:46.600 to be some variances there, just like we see with bigfoot. 1445 01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:48.760 You know, here in Florida we have the skunk Gate 1446 01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:50.760 and then they're going to be a little bit different 1447 01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:53.840 from what you might see in North Georgia Tennessee area. 1448 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:58.039 So I think that there's a differences with these creatures too, 1449 01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:01.399 that we have yet to scratch this surface on understanding. 1450 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:05.640 Oh yes, most definitely. I mean there's all sorts of 1451 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.640 I have. I have charts of like the different types 1452 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.399 of dog men and bigfoots. So we have we have 1453 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:13.920 skun capes here in Georgia too. You know, they're they're 1454 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:17.199 a little a little bit smaller than some of the 1455 01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:19.800 bigfoots you're gonna find up in the Pacific Northwest and stuff. 1456 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.399 They're all different, they're regional, just like us humans. They're 1457 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:24.560 all different, okay, and they're all regional. We all got 1458 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:26.960 our own accents. I get made fun of a lot 1459 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.640 because I'm from Georgia and I got sometimes I get 1460 01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:30.359 a thick accent. 1461 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:37.880 Okay, Georgia too, you're in Georgia too, we're neighbors. 1462 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:39.319 Neighbor. 1463 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:40.600 Yeah. 1464 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:44.159 Uh, actually we we have so we have so much 1465 01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:46.920 high strang in center. We actually have a very famous, 1466 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.880 like the most well known were wolf out of the South, 1467 01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:51.159 one of the best ones in the Sound. We got 1468 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:52.560 a lot of good ones in the South, but one 1469 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:55.840 is here in Georgia called Georgia's werewolf. Her name was 1470 01:15:55.880 --> 01:16:02.439 Emily Isabella Bert and this was a a documented historical werewolf. 1471 01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:05.000 A little girl. She was a little girl. She grew 1472 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:07.359 up to be an old lady. But she I don't 1473 01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:09.199 know if y'all y'all, are y'all familiar with this or 1474 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.359 do you let me tell you what it's about. It's 1475 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:17.079 pretty good, okay, Okay, So this is back in the 1476 01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:21.800 late eighteen hundreds. She was down in where she Okay, 1477 01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:23.840 there's an area that I researched is called the troop 1478 01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:27.600 Herd Corridor. It's known for mass alien abductions, a lot 1479 01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:29.880 of high strangeness. We have dog man reports. I go 1480 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:33.399 down there all the time, dog man sightings and reports 1481 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.439 a lot of missing people. You know. My big thing 1482 01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:38.399 are like I talk about the missing person's clusters in 1483 01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:41.880 our national parks correlates some of those maybe to the 1484 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:45.279 portal incident and maybe people going missing walking in portals 1485 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:50.279 and stuff, and maybe cryptids. But I think it's I 1486 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:54.760 think it's our government and stuff too, kidnapping people. But anyways, 1487 01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.840 that's another rabbit hole. But anyways, the Troop Herd Quarter, 1488 01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:01.439 there's a place I think she's buried in Talbot County, Uh, 1489 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:04.520 Pike County, Talbot somewhere in that troop Herd Corridoray there 1490 01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:07.840 and Troop Herd or counties by the way, and it 1491 01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:11.319 goes through Middle Georgia and it goes into Alabama and 1492 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:15.199 uh there's you know, army bases down there. Here's the thing. 1493 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.720 Dog Men and bigfoot, a lot of cryptids are often 1494 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:25.159 spotted near military installments and around Indian burial mounts cemeteries. Okay, 1495 01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:27.079 those are some of the hot spots if you want 1496 01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:29.239 to if you want to see a dog man a bigfoot, 1497 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:32.399 go around a military base like Fort what is it, 1498 01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:36.079 Fort Bennings down there in Columbus. Fort Stewart's down on 1499 01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:41.359 the other side of the Hinesville. I went to school 1500 01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:43.319 at Georgia Southern, so I was down there. 1501 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:44.159 I had. 1502 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:50.760 Down there, Yes, I played. I played rugby for Georgia 1503 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:55.399 Southern Okay, but anyways, UH love it down there, but 1504 01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:59.720 the NATS I could do without. Okay, So but anyways, okay, 1505 01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:03.000 So Elli Isabella Bert was a young woman. Her father, 1506 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:06.720 she came from a very wealthy family. Her father passed away. 1507 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:09.199 Her mother wanted to be like high society, so she 1508 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:12.479 shipped the kids off to Europe, okay, to go to 1509 01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:16.039 boarding school so she could have her you know whatever 1510 01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:18.920 she wanted to do back home without the kids, and 1511 01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:22.680 and so she I guess when Emily came home. I 1512 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:24.079 don't know if she was home for good or for 1513 01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:28.279 the summer or what. They said that Emily was acting different. 1514 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.279 She was sleeping all day, and she was up all night. 1515 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:33.439 She had hair growing where it shouldn't have been growing. 1516 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:37.760 She wasn't the prettiest, is what people say. I feel 1517 01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:40.680 really bad for Emily. By the way, What's up Drewskie, 1518 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:43.760 And and so I had to feel kind of bad 1519 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:46.520 for Emily because she got she kind of got the 1520 01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:48.439 short end of the stick when it came to looks 1521 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:53.199 and stuff like that. But when she came home and 1522 01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:55.399 she was staying up all night and then sleeping all day, 1523 01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:59.000 the neighbors started complaining that their livestock was ending up 1524 01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:02.359 dead and the blood and it wasn't like it was 1525 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:04.560 being dragged off by like a predator. It was the 1526 01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:07.159 blood was being drained out of the animals, like the cows, 1527 01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:12.399 the goats, and the mother started getting suspicious. Her mother 1528 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:16.439 was like, I think it could be my daughter, okay, 1529 01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:18.920 And the men would, like the guys on the farm 1530 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.199 would get together and to go have hunting parties, and 1531 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.880 they were out at night trying to stalk to find 1532 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.119 out what was killing all their livestock. And the mother 1533 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:29.279 was so suspicious that it might be her daughter that 1534 01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:32.439 she joined the hunting party and she took her gun 1535 01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:39.439 out there and she said, she said that I guess 1536 01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:42.319 they didn't find anything. Okay, they couldn't. When they were 1537 01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:45.119 out there, the livestock was fine. The mother was walking 1538 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:46.800 home on the last hunt that she went out there 1539 01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:51.079 with them on. She was walking home and a wolf 1540 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:54.520 what she had described as a wolf, jumped out at 1541 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:58.279 her from a bush and she shot it. Well, when 1542 01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.720 she shot it, it whimpered and ran off, and she 1543 01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:05.960 was all discombobulated. Well, she got home, she was by herself. 1544 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:07.800 She got home. She got in her front porch and 1545 01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:11.680 Emily Isabella Bert was standing there with a gunshot wound 1546 01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:15.359 to her hand, and so the mother took her to 1547 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:19.720 the doctor. He diagnosed her with lycanthropy, and he helped 1548 01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:23.079 her wound on her hand, but she ended up I 1549 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.920 think they probably kept that a secret for a while, 1550 01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:30.159 but she was known as Georgia's werewolf after that. I 1551 01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:32.199 don't know exactly what all happened. I know that she 1552 01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.960 ended up staying on that property where her mother, you know, 1553 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:38.479 where her family lived until she died. She's buried there. 1554 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:44.199 Her tombstone says something really odd, something about like something 1555 01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.600 about like now that she's passed on, she's in her 1556 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:52.840 true form finally, that is what he says. Yeah, weird stuff, y'all. 1557 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:55.640 Have you ever encountered what they would call I think 1558 01:20:55.680 --> 01:21:02.039 they call them a rakes, Yeah, pell crawl Okay, pale crawlers, 1559 01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:04.960 which I used to think where like juvenile windy goes. 1560 01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:08.439 Maybe I don't know, like something of that sort, because 1561 01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:12.159 those things, as far as any encryptid, scared the shit 1562 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:15.920 out of me, you know, more than anything, probably probably 1563 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:18.199 one of the only things that'd be frightened of and 1564 01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:22.760 not as like intrigued to see. 1565 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:24.720 Have you ever encountered any of those? 1566 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:31.039 Well? Maybe? Okay, So one of the guys on my 1567 01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:34.840 team down he's a nuclear scientist. He works at all 1568 01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:39.640 the nuclear plants and stuff, and he he lives up 1569 01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:42.840 in like the corner of like North Georgia, North Carolina 1570 01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:44.520 and South Carolina, kind of like where they all meet 1571 01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:48.079 right there. And I've been to his house. Really kind 1572 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:50.199 of creepy out there, but he has a lot of footage, 1573 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.279 like he has cameras all out in his property. He's 1574 01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:54.760 got a big, big chunk of property up there on 1575 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:57.720 top of a mountain, and he has video footage of 1576 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:02.079 a pale crawler in his driveway. Okay, so I have 1577 01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:06.720 seen plenty of videos of them with first hand eyewitness encounters. 1578 01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:09.359 About two years ago, a year and a half ago, 1579 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:11.800 I was with Drewskie who's in your chat right now, 1580 01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:17.279 drewski and I and several guys with Cryptid I guess 1581 01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:21.960 at CW Operations and Survival. Now, okay, we all went 1582 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:26.760 up to Farri's house up in North Tennessee and we 1583 01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.039 got called up there because her chickens were going missing 1584 01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:33.560 and something was stealing her pet There were her pets, 1585 01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:37.640 and they just moved into this log it's like a 1586 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:40.359 log house or something like on the side of a 1587 01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:44.600 mountain sight unseen. They just moved in, didn't really go 1588 01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:47.680 and check it out before they bought it or started 1589 01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:50.279 renting or whatever they did. And it turns out there 1590 01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:53.960 was a cave entrance about thirty feet from their back door, 1591 01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:59.800 huge cave entrance. Well, unbeknownst to them, it's actually the 1592 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.079 Walker Cave. I'm not going to say the word, it 1593 01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:04.600 was the s Walker Cave. It was on chopped tawl 1594 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:10.920 in and she was getting these figures in her cameras 1595 01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:15.000 that were outside her house, like potential dog men, maybe 1596 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:18.399 bigfoot things like that. There's even a big footprint by 1597 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:21.239 her chicken coop after one of the chickens had gone 1598 01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:24.720 missing again, so she was pretty upset, like the chickens 1599 01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:27.680 had been taken into the cave. There were feathers going 1600 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:30.039 into the cave. After the last chicken was taken. She 1601 01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.199 kind of had reached her limit. She was like, all right, 1602 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.039 there's this creepy cave back here. She was not comfortable, 1603 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.279 but even going in that cave, I think she said 1604 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:39.600 she was hearing voices and stuff in it. She would 1605 01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:42.319 set up recorders outside the cave and like pick up 1606 01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:46.479 voices and things like that. So she called us up 1607 01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:50.000 there to, I don't know, maybe just investigate, try to 1608 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.720 figure out where her chickens were going. And we went 1609 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:57.199 on a full investigation into the caves. I'm not a 1610 01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:00.800 fan of caves. By the way we got up there. 1611 01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:03.199 I thought it was really odd though, too, because we 1612 01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:06.399 were expecting to see you know, I'm a tracker, I've 1613 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:08.880 been doing tracking for for a long time, and I 1614 01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:11.560 was expecting when I got there to go up to 1615 01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:14.079 that cave entrance, go into the cave and like the 1616 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.640 floor is muddy. I was sure we were going to 1617 01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:20.520 find footprints and some sign of some whatever took her chickens. 1618 01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:24.720 But we got in there and there were no tracks, 1619 01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:28.039 no footprints, no nothing. So whatever was taking her chickens 1620 01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:32.880 was scaling the walls, okay, and which is kind of creepy, right, 1621 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:37.279 but but it was going into that cave, and uh 1622 01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:40.000 and the guys, Drew Ski and some other guys, they 1623 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:41.720 were a little more adventurous than me when it came 1624 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:43.960 to getting way back in that cave. It was really 1625 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:48.000 deep and we had found out that story behind that 1626 01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:51.279 cave was that there was an issue with a bunch 1627 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:54.119 of s walkers, if you'll know what I'm talking about, 1628 01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:59.920 and a chalk Tass shaman Native American shaman medicine me 1629 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:04.640 had banished all of the s walkers into that cave 1630 01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:11.439 and sealed it spiritually energetically. And that was in Farres' backyard, 1631 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:15.399 right by her chicken coop. And and so the guys 1632 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:18.279 went back there, and at some point they got way 1633 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:19.960 back there, I think the rope ran out, if I'm 1634 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:23.399 not mistaken. Everybody had ropes tied around him and stuff. 1635 01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:27.960 Drisk he did something he shouldn't have done. He whistled, 1636 01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:30.960 O Ko, You're not supposed to whistle, not at night, 1637 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:35.640 not in Appellationians, not in a cave. And we liked 1638 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.319 to push our limits. We pushed the boundaries, and Drew 1639 01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:43.039 Ski whistled. And what they said was that it looked 1640 01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.439 like a pell crawler peked his head around the back 1641 01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:49.439 of you know, the cave in front of them. So 1642 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:50.960 I wasn't there for that. I was at the front 1643 01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:53.159 of the cave. I was kind of like keeping watch 1644 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:54.720 to make sure, you know, everything was cool up the 1645 01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:56.520 front because I wouldn't going way back. I wouldn't going 1646 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:59.720 back there for all that. But anyways, no, I have 1647 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:02.079 not personally seen one that I know of, But I 1648 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:04.399 don't know. I've seen so much weird stuff there's no telling. 1649 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.479 You know, I grew up in Appalachia and that's what 1650 01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:11.079 we heard. You don't whistle. Well, it was you don't 1651 01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:16.960 go certain places after dark, anywhere after dark, but you 1652 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:19.039 have to be very selective of where you do go 1653 01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:21.239 if you are to go somewhere after dark, and that 1654 01:26:21.319 --> 01:26:23.840 you don't whistle. And I've always wondered about that. 1655 01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:24.359 I don't know. 1656 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:27.039 Exactly what all that entails, but that's what they told 1657 01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:27.439 us too. 1658 01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:32.079 Maybe it's some frequency thing with our with our whistling 1659 01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:34.760 that draws them, you know, I don't know, because some 1660 01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:37.960 people do that throat singing stuff. Right, There's that one 1661 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:40.880 guy who was on that TikTok live and he was 1662 01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:44.319 throat singing, and then all these entities, I don't know 1663 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:44.840 what they are. 1664 01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:48.560 They kind of look like the pale pale crawlers or they. 1665 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.960 They could have been anything, just like peeked out from 1666 01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:52.319 behind trees and stuff. 1667 01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.119 And some people say it was because he was like 1668 01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:56.760 a Native. 1669 01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.399 American from that kind of But I think if you 1670 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:02.279 can throat saying, you can maybe draw these things out. 1671 01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:04.880 I don't know if you want to, but you know, 1672 01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:06.479 it's all. 1673 01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:10.560 About energy frequency and vibration, and like I said, if 1674 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.960 you want to have an encounter with something that's probably 1675 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:15.279 more positive, get on a high vibration, okay, like get 1676 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:17.720 on their frequency with that. I've seen that video that's 1677 01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:21.239 like Mongolian throat singing or something they called that, and 1678 01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:24.600 it is. You know, we have taken like diggerie dudes 1679 01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.439 out in the woods before. There are some people that 1680 01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:29.920 take like those Aztec death whistles and stuff. I don't 1681 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:33.479 recommend any I don't recommend that y'all. The show far 1682 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:35.359 and all that kind of stuff. I do not recommend 1683 01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:37.760 that at all. Don't. I'm going to tell y'all just 1684 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:40.760 probably don't do what you want. But I wouldn't. I 1685 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.279 wouldn't do stuff like that just because you don't know 1686 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:45.520 what you're opening. We're talking about portal. I talk about 1687 01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:48.560 portals a lot, and it's one thing to open up 1688 01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:51.600 a portal. We've had multiple portals that my team has encountered. 1689 01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:55.319 We had a portal that opened in our base camp 1690 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.600 late one night, and there were two entities that were 1691 01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:01.760 crawling out of it, and the head of my team 1692 01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.560 yelled something in another language. I don't know what he yelled, 1693 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:09.239 but the portal it closed like that. One of them 1694 01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:11.159 got spit out and the other one got sucked back 1695 01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:17.720 in it's a safe word. He was like, no, he said, 1696 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:18.800 I don't know what he said. 1697 01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:21.039 One of them got spit out. Did it just run off? 1698 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:21.920 Uh? 1699 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.239 No, it it well, yeah, it ran and it screamed. 1700 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.199 It was That was okay, So I said, the fog 1701 01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:27.920 was one of the scariest things that ever happened to me. 1702 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:31.000 This fog had consciousness. The same location is where this 1703 01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:34.359 thing these things were in this like this grid pattern 1704 01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:37.319 opened up in the sky, in the in the atmosphere, 1705 01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:41.840 and one thing got spit out when he yelled, and 1706 01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:44.279 the other one got sucked back and the thing whatever 1707 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:49.119 got spit out into eye reality it yelled. I described 1708 01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:50.960 it a lot. I used to not really tell the 1709 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.439 whole story on that, okay, because it was too weird. 1710 01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:55.560 And and I just say, oh, you know, it was 1711 01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:58.760 just a bigfoot that yelled, or I can't what wasn't bigfoot? 1712 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:00.720 It was something else. We still don't know what this 1713 01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:04.159 thing was, but it was. It was an entity and 1714 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:07.479 it was solid. But when it yelled, it sounded it 1715 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.840 sounded like what a bigfoot would sound like. I've heard 1716 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:13.920 bigfoots yell and whoop and scream and all that. But 1717 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:16.600 it was this thing sounded like a female voice that 1718 01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:19.640 turned into like an animal, to something that was mad 1719 01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:23.520 to in pain, and it screamed. It had the lungs 1720 01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:25.159 on it, I mean, and you could hear it screened, 1721 01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:27.680 and it ran all behind our tents, all the way 1722 01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:30.159 down to where the road was, and it was terrifying. 1723 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:32.159 And then all night that night it was really weird, y'all. 1724 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:34.800 There's this phenomenon that happens when we're out in the 1725 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.880 woods and when things start getting weird and we're at 1726 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:41.800 our base camp. You'd think that we'd stay up and 1727 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:43.479 we'd get out of our you know, thermals and our 1728 01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:47.000 night vision and we'd stay up. We all go to sleep. 1729 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:50.800 It's almost like there's something that comes over us and 1730 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:52.760 we're all just like, oh, it's a good idea just 1731 01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:54.600 to go to bed at like eleven o'clock at night 1732 01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:59.199 when we drove all the way out here to go bigfooting, but. 1733 01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:02.079 I'm going to go I go to sleep. Uh how 1734 01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:03.439 many times does that happen? 1735 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:03.720 Though? 1736 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:05.840 You know, like how many of these portals have opened 1737 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:08.920 and these things just pop out and they run off 1738 01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:12.399 into the you know, never ever and then it closes 1739 01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:13.680 and then they're they're here. 1740 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:15.840 Oh, I thought you meant like, have I seen it 1741 01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:16.239 only though? 1742 01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:17.439 No, No, I was just saying. 1743 01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:21.439 Just in general, like over time, Like it's so there's 1744 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:25.159 no telling how many of these creatures live live amongst us. Uh, 1745 01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:29.479 you know, so for people to discount it as you know, 1746 01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:33.520 bullshit or whatever, it really just I don't know. I've 1747 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:36.920 always been a big fan of cryptis, So yeah, that 1748 01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:39.159 is the treat to be there, you know, to be 1749 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:39.960 able to talk to you. 1750 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:42.760 Oh, thank you. It's been a treat being here too well. 1751 01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:44.520 And that that's why we're kind of the point that 1752 01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:48.039 I was getting to, is like the not using those devices, 1753 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:50.239 like those musical instruments and stuff to like, because you 1754 01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:52.239 don't know if you're like opening a portal. Because he 1755 01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:55.000 saw that video with just that throat singing, right, It's 1756 01:30:55.079 --> 01:30:58.359 like you can open these things up, but then it 1757 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:00.479 does it close and you gotta think about like all 1758 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:02.560 the other people, like I take my kid to the 1759 01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:06.039 national parks and stuff. You know, I'd like to know 1760 01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:08.319 what's out there and uh, and to think that there's 1761 01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:11.239 like portals opening and people are not closing them down. 1762 01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:13.279 And right do they follow you around if you don't? 1763 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:15.560 Cases and all kinds of craziness. 1764 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:18.319 So do they follow you around if they can follow you? 1765 01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:22.319 I gotta ask, Jessica, are you a mound woman? Do 1766 01:31:22.359 --> 01:31:24.560 you go out to the mounds and visit? 1767 01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:28.359 Yes, we have the Ediwa Indian Mounds here in Georgia 1768 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.199 not too far from where I live, about ten minutes 1769 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:35.479 from the north Paulden Werewolf okay over where I used 1770 01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:38.000 to live over that area, and uh, and yes, because 1771 01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:40.880 we we actually have a lot of dog man sightings 1772 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:43.840 over there near the Edawa Indian Mounds. And so yeah, 1773 01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:47.159 I do anytime I get a chance, I go to mounds. Yes. Absolutely. 1774 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:50.640 I actually have a friend of mine who I had 1775 01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:54.680 not met her in person before, but she was working, uh, 1776 01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:57.520 mapping out lay lines and stuff and that was like 1777 01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:00.800 part of her job, okay, like contracting. I don't know 1778 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:02.800 if she worked with the government or what. I don't know. 1779 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:05.800 I don't know nothing about nothing, but she was plotting 1780 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:07.560 out lay lines, and so she was kind of like 1781 01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:11.319 contacting me to be like, well, hey, you know, you 1782 01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:12.800 don't have to tell me like where you do your 1783 01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:15.399 your cryptid research, but I'm trying to line up, like 1784 01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:17.800 figure out where these lay lines are going and help 1785 01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:22.760 you know, I'm connecting these mounds and places of high strangeness. 1786 01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:24.479 So I ended up talking with her and doing some 1787 01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:27.000 work with her on that, and so that she's plotting 1788 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:29.640 out some like official lay lines, but they're all connected 1789 01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:33.840 to those mounds. So yes, I love mounts. 1790 01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.960 I was actually I did an article in a video 1791 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:40.439 on the of Mogi Mounds in just about two weeks ago. 1792 01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:45.000 I went to Rock Eagle and Rock Hawk Effigy Mounds 1793 01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:46.439 just about two weeks ago. 1794 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:49.600 I just put those two up on my Rumbo account. 1795 01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:53.039 It is amazing because I was going to ask you, 1796 01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:54.840 but you already already talked about it. 1797 01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:56.199 Just now the lay lines. 1798 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:02.720 I wonder you know, have you, you know, did any 1799 01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:05.239 type of research behind the lay lines where you found 1800 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:08.279 some of the locations of some of the portals that 1801 01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:11.840 you that you might have ran into, along with some 1802 01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:15.119 of the sightings of Bigfoot and UFOs and orbs and 1803 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:15.479 all that. 1804 01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:19.760 Well, we don't. We don't like follow lay lines to 1805 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:22.239 like do our research and stuff. I mean, it was 1806 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:24.399 not until recently I was like, oh, maybe I should 1807 01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:26.239 look and see where all these lay lines are if 1808 01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:29.760 they mash up to where our research areas are. You know, 1809 01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:31.960 I had never really put a whole lot of thought 1810 01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:35.479 into all that. But yeah, we do have lay a 1811 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:37.039 lot of times. We do have lay lines going through 1812 01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:38.000 places that we research. 1813 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:42.000 I know a guy that I know, a guy Ricardo. 1814 01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:45.079 He actually he showed us this the other day. He 1815 01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:48.760 actually has a the Google's map of all the lay 1816 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:52.159 lines on the Earth. So he would probably be somebody 1817 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:55.319 that you could probably out pass the message out to 1818 01:33:55.399 --> 01:33:57.960 him to get to you. Yeah, he had like literally 1819 01:33:58.079 --> 01:33:59.960 all the lay lines around the Earth. 1820 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:03.239 That's awesome. Yeah, I mean I have like a I 1821 01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:05.800 have a lay line map of like the United States 1822 01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:08.199 and stuff, and I show it on my shows sometimes 1823 01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:11.439 when we're talking about different locations and stuff. You know, 1824 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:13.560 it's like the Bermuda Triangle down there, like right off 1825 01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.000 the coast of Florida has an intersection of lay lines. 1826 01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:19.199 Anywhere where there's an intersection of lay lines. Watch out. 1827 01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:21.399 Now there's gonna be something that goes on there. And 1828 01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:26.079 we're talking about ancient things, you know. I don't know 1829 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:28.159 how deep down the rabbit hole you guys go. I'm 1830 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:33.319 sure it's pretty deep. Okay, But we don't know the 1831 01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:38.199 true history of this land. Okay, that's my opinion. We don't. 1832 01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:40.399 And there's a whole lot of a lot of history 1833 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:42.159 that's been hidden from us and stuff. But I think 1834 01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:44.319 that if you follow those lay lines, you're gonna find 1835 01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:49.279 the true history and you start start digging, okay, and 1836 01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:52.760 find out what's really down there. And just followed the 1837 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:55.079 lay lines, Yeah, we. 1838 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:57.079 Might have a we might have a good candidate for 1839 01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:03.279 that remote viewing Mount Pisca in uh, North Carolina. Have 1840 01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:04.159 you heard of that place? 1841 01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:09.000 I have? Yes, isn't there like a I was gonna 1842 01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:10.680 stand in there a big foot festival? Maybe that's u 1843 01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:16.520 AI actually this weekend? Yeah, you are is an interesting place. 1844 01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:19.399 I got a good buddy. Yeah, one of my one 1845 01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:21.600 of my teammates, good friend of mine, who's like family, 1846 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:26.199 David Pardue, actually is a bit near Ui. He's he's 1847 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:31.119 got some really good footage of little people, videos of 1848 01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:34.000 little people. It looks like it looks say ET's actually, 1849 01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:36.159 but I think they're little people, maybe moon eyed people 1850 01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:39.680 or ets, just tiny a little bit like walking in 1851 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:41.399 single file lines and stuff. 1852 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:44.439 And I was talking about yesterday the moon eye people. 1853 01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:48.880 Well, and if we bring up we'd be remiss not 1854 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:51.960 to shout out m K in the chat. He has 1855 01:35:52.039 --> 01:35:55.079 had some experiences in the ri Mountains, and I believe 1856 01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:58.560 they He just got off of a documentary with small 1857 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:02.039 Town Monsters and help It Holler, we're investigating in the 1858 01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:06.119 Yari some bigfoot reports that have come in. They have 1859 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:08.479 a new documentary out on it. And he came on 1860 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:10.479 my show and was telling me all the crazy stuff 1861 01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:13.279 that happens up there, and I was just blown away by, 1862 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:15.359 you know, the things he was sharing that happened, and 1863 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.279 it wasn't on my radar, but it keeps popping up. 1864 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:20.880 That's amazing. What's up, MKA. I've seen him in my 1865 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:24.520 chat too. What's that buddy? Yes, there's so much goes 1866 01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:24.880 on up there. 1867 01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:25.039 Now. 1868 01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:27.239 I know David David has complaining a little bit about 1869 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:31.319 Yari because it was it was amazing back in the 1870 01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:34.119 day before What is that Finding Bigfoot Show got a 1871 01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:37.960 hold of it. And uh, and now it's it's tough 1872 01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:39.600 to go out there and do research because there's so 1873 01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:43.399 many people out there, uh, knocking on trees and whooping 1874 01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:45.399 and all that stuff. It's just not David said, it's 1875 01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:49.239 not really worth going some places now up there because 1876 01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:50.199 it's been advertised. 1877 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:50.560 That's why. 1878 01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:52.000 That's why I hate to say that, but that's why 1879 01:36:52.119 --> 01:36:53.960 my team like where we do our research over and 1880 01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:56.720 over again. We don't it's all we don't give our 1881 01:36:56.720 --> 01:37:00.279 locations away. But there's still some places there that he 1882 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:03.800 likes to go. He has a relationship with bigfoot families 1883 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:05.960 out there. And do you worry. 1884 01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:11.119 That Lady Susie, That Lady Susie from the sixties had 1885 01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:15.920 a relationship with a bigfoot family. There was actually a 1886 01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:19.159 YouTube video of her explaining and talking about that. 1887 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:21.399 But it's no longer on there anymore. 1888 01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:21.960 Not that. 1889 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:28.560 So I'm going now. But yeah, you know about Susie, right, 1890 01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:30.439 I don't know. 1891 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:32.560 I have no idea. 1892 01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:34.960 So there's this lady in the sixties, when she was 1893 01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:36.760 a little kid, she ran it. She was in the 1894 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:39.039 woods and she ran into a big foot and she 1895 01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:43.079 found the family and she had a friendly relationship with 1896 01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:44.960 them for some time. 1897 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.439 Isn't there a book about it too, Yeah. 1898 01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:49.279 There's a book about it. Yeah, there's a book about it. 1899 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:56.159 I name was, well her, it's not her real name. 1900 01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:58.479 It's a it's a it's it's a fake name that 1901 01:37:58.600 --> 01:38:02.199 she gives out. But she did an interview. She actually 1902 01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:04.960 did an interview on YouTube, or it was on YouTube 1903 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:05.600 for a while. 1904 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:07.640 There is no longer on there anymore. 1905 01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:11.760 Now I know what you're talking about. Her name is 1906 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:14.319 on the tip of my tongue. I know some people 1907 01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:17.359 who know her, and it's an incredible story to hear 1908 01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:21.079 about it. There was an unfriendly bigfoot in the area 1909 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:24.520 and just something really crazy about her story is this 1910 01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:27.600 was I think, you know, maybe back in the seventies 1911 01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:30.000 and there was a girl in the neighborhood and just 1912 01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:34.880 trigger warning, she said she had been essayed by this 1913 01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:39.800 wild man, right, and they had actually institutionalized her. And 1914 01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:43.159 this woman came out coroborating her story, saying that there 1915 01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:49.319 was this all black, malevolent sasquatch who did was the 1916 01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:52.920 one who essayed this poor woman and she remained institutionalized 1917 01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:54.039 for the rest of her life after that. 1918 01:38:55.239 --> 01:38:57.319 That's one of the reasons why I wrote my article 1919 01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:00.880 because they actually used the word and term wild man, 1920 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:03.800 and that made when I read that, that's what made 1921 01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:06.079 it click with me to know about, you know, the 1922 01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:08.840 epic of Gilgamesh. When they described in key do was 1923 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:10.279 as being a wild man. 1924 01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:11.359 So I was like, wow, this. 1925 01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:12.520 Is pretty cool. 1926 01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:17.079 Man, that's wild that's really sad too, very sad. And uh, 1927 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:19.119 you know, speaking of wildman, there's been a lot of 1928 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.960 wild men around the South, especially uh broke, there's one 1929 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:27.319 down in Florida. Uh, the Cheesy Pond wildman, Okay, and uh, 1930 01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:30.760 that is an interesting story because they had, uh these 1931 01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:35.600 are like Neanderthal looking human type Sasquatch. I guess they 1932 01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:39.199 look more human a lot of times we call them 1933 01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:43.039 type for Sasquatch. Okay, and uh, they would look like 1934 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:45.359 like a hairy human more than than anything. 1935 01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:49.760 But that's that's what I think Christopher Columbus was probably 1936 01:39:49.800 --> 01:39:53.960 describing because he actually put that in his journal. Oh yeah, 1937 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:57.119 he actually put that in his journal. That description. 1938 01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:00.800 Well, they had I think they said that the newspaper 1939 01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:03.640 article said that they had found the wild man taking 1940 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:05.720 like swimming in the pond. He was taking a bath 1941 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:07.960 or something, and they captured him and they took him 1942 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:11.199 to the state capitol. The governor was like, or the 1943 01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:13.920 governor's house. He was like, get him out of here. 1944 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:15.920 I don't want anything to do with this. And they 1945 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:18.680 took him up to the Chattahoochee State Hospital of in 1946 01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:22.840 chattahooche Florida, and and that's where he ended up died. 1947 01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:25.399 They say that he's buried there somewhere on those grounds 1948 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:26.680 up there today. 1949 01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:31.520 But the people, Yeah, there's some portal activity in Chattahoochee. 1950 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:35.319 I have I have been. I have done an investigation 1951 01:40:35.399 --> 01:40:37.479 there at that house of the couple that had where 1952 01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:40.039 Stacy Brown got that footage. We were up there before 1953 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:42.640 Stacy got up there, I believe a long time ago. 1954 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:44.359 With my team. I was actually told not to ever 1955 01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:46.680 say their names and stuff. And it was before they 1956 01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:49.000 were public about it. I think I was up there. 1957 01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:50.720 My team went up and spent a weekend up there 1958 01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:54.039 investigating that was that they had a cool property. They 1959 01:40:54.039 --> 01:40:57.079 called it. What was it called there? I forgot what 1960 01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:58.760 they called there was the enchanted forest. 1961 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:01.359 You stay in the sugar shock. 1962 01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:06.239 I stayed in a tent. I stayed in channel forest. Yes, yeah, I. 1963 01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:11.359 Okay, I went over looking something here. So can you 1964 01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:14.600 imagine the orderly that had to be in charge of 1965 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:18.920 shaving bigfoot. 1966 01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:27.920 Just leave them, Harry. 1967 01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:26.279 Sleep. 1968 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:29.079 That's a that's a really cool property. I had an 1969 01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:32.399 opportunity to visit it in February and walk around it 1970 01:41:32.479 --> 01:41:35.159 and it was really neat. Got to see where some 1971 01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:37.279 of the portals were and listen to her stories and 1972 01:41:37.479 --> 01:41:39.479 that was just mind blowing. 1973 01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:43.079 Yeah, that's the bridges. I think is are name there 1974 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:45.000 featured And I can say it now because it's been 1975 01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:48.239 so publicized, but they were on Animal Planet or some 1976 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:52.000 some shows talking about their big experience. Yeah, they had 1977 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:54.560 a bigfoot actually that came up on their their porch 1978 01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:57.439 was right at their bedroom from what I can recall, 1979 01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:00.359 and and it came up on their poor and would 1980 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:02.479 sit screened one night and stuff. They had a lot 1981 01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:03.520 of activity out there. 1982 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:07.479 So yeah, so you uh, you know, I mean, I 1983 01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:10.000 know you guys keep some of your stuff private, like 1984 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:11.760 some of the teams you work with and all. That 1985 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:15.960 is that to do with people having you guys come 1986 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:20.000 out there to sort of rid their property of a problem. 1987 01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:22.039 Oh well, we don't go out there to rid people 1988 01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:25.199 of problems. Now, I don't know, cw ops we might 1989 01:42:25.359 --> 01:42:30.000 that's what we needed to. Now, that's one team that's well, okay, 1990 01:42:30.079 --> 01:42:33.439 that's not what my my research teams do though, So 1991 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:36.560 I've kind of gone rogue with with Drew Skie Okay, y'all. Okay, 1992 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:39.560 So that's that's a whole different that's a whole different beast. 1993 01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:42.920 It's going out with him, okay, and those guys. Uh, 1994 01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.760 my research teams, we don't. We don't go take care 1995 01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:48.840 of problems. We go out there to investigate, okay, and 1996 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:50.800 uh and that's all, and to see see what's going 1997 01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:53.119 on out there and stuff like that. I don't do 1998 01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:55.840 a whole lot of investigations these days. I'm kind of, 1999 01:42:56.399 --> 01:42:59.560 you know, kind of busy doing my my chasing dog 2000 01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:02.560 men with Rouski now and all them. So, but but 2001 01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:04.640 my guys, do you know that they still go out 2002 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:06.640 and investigate. Actually, if you go to like the BFR 2003 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:11.000 websites BFRO websites, a lot of those reports, especially the 2004 01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:14.319 ones in Georgia, were taken by my teammates, guys around 2005 01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:16.840 my team. There are none of them are any longer 2006 01:43:16.920 --> 01:43:19.840 part of BFRO okay, but they used to be a 2007 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:22.199 long time ago, and some of the some of the 2008 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.720 in my opinion, some of the cooler reports were taken. 2009 01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:28.720 I was reading them and I'm like, oh, that's my teammate, 2010 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:33.840 you know that took that. So yeah, but yeah, we 2011 01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:37.720 try to keep our things private as much, especially when 2012 01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:40.039 it comes to families and people. You know, people like 2013 01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:44.359 the privacy. Yeah, for sure, I. 2014 01:43:44.279 --> 01:43:45.680 Know we probably have to get out of here soon. 2015 01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:49.680 But I had one more question on my end. When 2016 01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:52.640 you've been out there squat watching or you know, out 2017 01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:54.800 there hunting for bigfoot whatever you want to call it up, 2018 01:43:55.399 --> 01:44:00.399 have you ran into any of these wooden structures made 2019 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:03.760 of sticks, like I think they've been referred to as 2020 01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:10.199 star forks. I I've seen them on a couple just 2021 01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:12.800 random big foot channels before. I don't know if they're legit. 2022 01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:15.119 Have have you witnessed any of that? It kind of 2023 01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.800 looks like a structure. Maybe that's something was put together 2024 01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:18.960 by someone. 2025 01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:23.560 Oh yeah, well, okay, here here's my thing with the 2026 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:28.439 stick structures. Most of them are human made. And I'm sorry, 2027 01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:35.119 don't y'all don't come at me. I think you're right, 2028 01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:37.520 but there it's not all the time though, because okay, 2029 01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:39.279 so here there's a difference with a lot of it 2030 01:44:39.319 --> 01:44:42.079 depends you got to go and see it. Okay. Uh, 2031 01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:44.600 debris huts are a thing I'm trained and we've done 2032 01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:47.479 a lot of survivalist training and stuff, and building a 2033 01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:49.720 debris hut is one of the first things you learn 2034 01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:52.960 when you're doing survivalist training. And so whenever you see 2035 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:54.560 like the tps and stuff like that, a lot of 2036 01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:59.159 times those are those are human debris huts. Okay, huts 2037 01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:01.840 I don't and it's fine. People people kind of quit 2038 01:45:01.880 --> 01:45:03.560 sending me pictures at this point because I'm like, that's 2039 01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:07.279 a doub brie hut. Okay. But there are also things 2040 01:45:07.279 --> 01:45:09.520 that you can't explain. And there are a lot of 2041 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:13.640 bigfoot tree structures as well. So, yes, we have a 2042 01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:15.439 couple of places we go. A lot of times we 2043 01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:17.520 have trees that have been bent down, like really tall 2044 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:20.640 trees that are bent and they're tied into what I 2045 01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:24.279 call an asterisk, like a star what you're talking about. Yes, 2046 01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:27.319 it's like they're tied with other limbs and trees and 2047 01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:31.479 it's it's really tight. My friend David Pardu actually that 2048 01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:33.479 I was just mentioning up in Uari. There's a we 2049 01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:36.000 got a picture of him with his tree twist. It's 2050 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:39.840 twisted like fifteen times a huge tree and it's just 2051 01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:43.560 twisted and like maybe a piece of machinery could have 2052 01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:45.600 done it, but a humane sure's head couldn't have done that. 2053 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.520 It's the most outrageous tree twist I've ever seen. And 2054 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:52.159 that was a uari. Actually, Uh, there's a lot. There's 2055 01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:55.000 a lot of structures that are by bigfoot. I mean 2056 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:57.479 there's a when I was with Harley actually we're up 2057 01:45:57.520 --> 01:46:00.720 in East Tennessee a couple of months ago. Uh, there's 2058 01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:06.000 trees up and like turned sideways on top of other trees, like, look, 2059 01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:08.279 you've been placed there. Now. Of course it could be weather, 2060 01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:12.359 could be the floods, could be tornadoes. It just depends. 2061 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:13.279 It just depends. 2062 01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:16.600 That looks like sigils almost at the times. Maybe it's 2063 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:19.000 just my brain doing that, but I don't know. It 2064 01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:22.159 seems odd because there are you know, theories if these 2065 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:24.520 things are ancient, what kind of DNA did they have, 2066 01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:28.880 if it's some older race of human or you know, uh, 2067 01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:33.560 these these uh what they would call fallen angels. 2068 01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:33.800 Right. 2069 01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:39.359 That did DNA manipulation. And this this just goes back 2070 01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:41.399 like if you read Sitchin or whatever, which you know 2071 01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:45.439 takes Chitchen with a grain of salt. But he talks 2072 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:49.560 about how inky and that's where you get the Inky do, right, 2073 01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:55.359 that's who created him. 2074 01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:54.880 Or maybe a consort of Inky. 2075 01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:59.319 But he was creating these like atoms, these like men 2076 01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:02.439 like vibes of atom almost and like some of them 2077 01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:05.039 were covered in hair, some of them could only grunt 2078 01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:09.600 some And this is supposedly an ancient Sumerian right, So 2079 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:14.119 like it's uh, that's it's fascinating to me. I think 2080 01:47:14.199 --> 01:47:19.079 these creatures have some kind of some kind of DNA 2081 01:47:19.159 --> 01:47:22.399 in them that they're able to do all of this 2082 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:27.119 uh supernatural you know, all these things. 2083 01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:30.159 Yeah, I mean they've been around for a long time 2084 01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:33.359 and so they're able to Like I said, we always 2085 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:36.359 go back to that, like Earth's natural portals and stuff, 2086 01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:38.439 like they're able to access stuff like that. You know, 2087 01:47:38.479 --> 01:47:42.000 we we as humans, have been so far removed from 2088 01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:45.880 our natural abilities of like tuning into Earth and tuning 2089 01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:48.720 into our own bodies and our abilities that we have. 2090 01:47:48.880 --> 01:47:51.720 You know, you know I do this remote viewing stuff. 2091 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:53.960 Well you know, I really have done a lot of 2092 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:58.119 practicing and like telepathy and you know, just tuning into 2093 01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:00.720 my psychic abilities and like even things like spirit tracking 2094 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:03.439 and stuff like that, you know, stuff that like everything 2095 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:06.680 has been replaced by something I want to say, faults 2096 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:09.079 or like what do you call it. It's like non organic, 2097 01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:11.880 you know, like our telepathy is no longer needed because 2098 01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:15.359 we have telephones now, right, telephones is for place our 2099 01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:19.159 telepathy things like that. Bigfoots don't have all that stuff. 2100 01:48:19.159 --> 01:48:21.159 They don't have all this technology. They're still in tune. 2101 01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:23.720 They're still attuned to all the natural things around them 2102 01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:25.960 and all the natural things that their bodies can be 2103 01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:29.239 used for and their abilities. You know, so they are 2104 01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:32.079 highly I got to say, they're very much more advanced 2105 01:48:32.119 --> 01:48:35.199 in some ways than us humans even are. But also 2106 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:39.000 they're all different when it comes to bigfoots. There's bigfoots 2107 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:41.000 that are primate like that are always out looking for 2108 01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:43.920 food and that's all they can think about. They're just animalistic. 2109 01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:46.880 There's some that are highly advanced that are you know, 2110 01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:51.199 more so than humans. Okay, so there's a whole wide 2111 01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:57.079 range of sasquatch bigfoots. Yeah, different accents and all that 2112 01:48:58.079 --> 01:48:58.680 and everything. 2113 01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:00.600 Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. 2114 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:03.920 Oh yeah, yep. 2115 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:10.399 Did anybody have any other questions? It is almost getting 2116 01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:11.239 close to two hours. 2117 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:14.680 Were wrapping up I just wanted to say I love 2118 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:17.119 your show, Jessica. Let's do it all the time at work. 2119 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:20.119 I think, thank you, keep up the good work. 2120 01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:23.479 I appreciate that, y'all. Thank you so much. Thank you'll 2121 01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:26.279 for having me tonight, you know, and I do very 2122 01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:27.159 much appreciate it. 2123 01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:30.880 Yeah, it's funny, incredible. 2124 01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:35.279 All right, Well I'll let everybody look their shows again 2125 01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:38.680 real quick before we let everybody go brook, let everybody. 2126 01:49:38.319 --> 01:49:40.319 Know where they can find your show and where you're 2127 01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:41.000 speaking again. 2128 01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:43.239 Yes, thank you so much for having me tonight. 2129 01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:44.159 This is fantastic. 2130 01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:47.119 I love anytime we get to talk about these types 2131 01:49:47.119 --> 01:49:50.359 of subjects with fellow rejects. I will be speaking at 2132 01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:54.880 Charlie's Beyond Belief Expo in Fort Myers, Florida, on October eighteenth, 2133 01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:57.319 and in the meantime, you can find me wherever you 2134 01:49:57.319 --> 01:49:59.720 get your podcasts at Dark Foot of Podcasts and on 2135 01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:02.800 in dam at Dark Florida podcast Thank you again. 2136 01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:06.520 Well, yeah, no, thank you appreciate it. And my man Headless, 2137 01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:07.520 what's up? 2138 01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:10.520 How you doing? You can find me at Headless Giant 2139 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:16.720 on x and on YouTube, also on Instagram, and I'm 2140 01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:19.600 on every Thursday reading your email, so send her to 2141 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:23.800 me at the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com 2142 01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:25.199 and that's my cat. 2143 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:31.359 Part of the show. Always share. Thank you very much 2144 01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:33.960 and Tyrone my man. 2145 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:38.520 And I was wonderful. I appreciate everything. I took a 2146 01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:41.279 lot of notes down. It is interesting that you say 2147 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:43.439 you're in Georgia because I'm actually in Georgia so too. 2148 01:50:43.479 --> 01:50:45.279 So I'm going to start making it to these events 2149 01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:48.239 and stuff like that. Like I said earlier, everything you 2150 01:50:48.279 --> 01:50:50.399 can find on me is on my website Rebirth at 2151 01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:53.199 the word dot com and my butt. My book Journey 2152 01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:56.800 through the Origins of History can be bought on Amazon. 2153 01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:59.319 And I talk about Inky Do and Bigfoot and the 2154 01:50:59.359 --> 01:51:00.279 similarity in. 2155 01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:07.039 Well Man, Tim Little Know find you. 2156 01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:10.039 Yeah, yeah, this is good stuff tonight. You've you've seen 2157 01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:12.880 some really crazy stuff. I appreciate you sharing that. 2158 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:13.840 Uh. 2159 01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:16.960 Yeah, I'm Tim. My show is sixth Censory podcast. I'm 2160 01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:22.319 on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Patreon, and Instagram. Thanks for having. 2161 01:51:22.119 --> 01:51:25.760 Me, of course, No, thank you. And Jules, what is 2162 01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:27.479 going on guys? 2163 01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:32.520 Uh, this was a banger of an episode. Jessica, thank you. 2164 01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:33.600 I would love to have. 2165 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:36.000 You on my show sometimes, would love to have you 2166 01:51:36.039 --> 01:51:37.760 on Great Pilled Uh. 2167 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:40.520 I think I followed you, so maybe we can do that. 2168 01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:45.159 If if, if you'd like to, for sure absolutely, But Nick, 2169 01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:49.319 thanks for having me. Uh guys, great pilled pod on 2170 01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:54.359 x or Twitter whatever. Uh great piled underscore podcast on 2171 01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:58.720 Instagram when I use it. Go follow me on Rumble YouTube, Spotify, 2172 01:51:58.760 --> 01:52:01.960 Apple podcast, patre on. If you want to support the show, 2173 01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:03.960 you can go over there and you can get a whole. 2174 01:52:04.279 --> 01:52:06.359 Set like opposite side of the show. 2175 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:10.119 It's all exclusive content over there, a lot of cool 2176 01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:15.199 stuff and uh yeah, this this, this was amazing. Thank 2177 01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:16.600 you Nick for inviting me again. 2178 01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:21.359 Of course. Of course, of course, my bet tools. 2179 01:52:22.199 --> 01:52:26.600 I just sent you some Rake pictures from the Alleghany 2180 01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:34.439 National Forest in in Instagram, so check those out. Jessica, awesome, 2181 01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:39.720 Thank you for coming on. Yeah, I'd love to have 2182 01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:42.399 you on my podcast too, And. 2183 01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:44.840 I'll come on any y'all's podcast let me know. 2184 01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:47.399 And I think we've actually talked about it, but we 2185 01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:49.960 just haven't been able to figure it out, so we 2186 01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:51.079 have to I'm. 2187 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:52.800 Looking at half of y'all up here, I'm like, man, 2188 01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:54.319 I think that I've talked to you all about coming 2189 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:59.079 on your shows. I'm so sorry, y'all, I'm really busy. 2190 01:53:00.439 --> 01:53:06.720 Sorry, so Broadcasting Seeds dot com, the Broadcasting Seeds Podcast. 2191 01:53:07.359 --> 01:53:14.760 I will be at the Ohio Bigfoot Jamboree in Aight, O, 2192 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:18.960 Ohio on October fourth, if you want to come out 2193 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:26.960 there and say hi and yeah on the big Broadcasting 2194 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.640 Seeds dot com. Thanks for having me on, guys, of course, 2195 01:53:30.720 --> 01:53:33.319 of course, thank you for joining us, Sir and Jessica. 2196 01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:35.720 Please let everybody know where they can find all your 2197 01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:39.159 stuff again, thank you, thankyah. 2198 01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:41.680 This has been so much fun. I can be found 2199 01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:45.279 on my YouTube channel. It's the Cryptid Huntress, so go 2200 01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:48.520 subscribe over there, and I have a website it's Thecryptiedhuntress 2201 01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:52.279 dot com. Also all my social media links are there. 2202 01:53:52.359 --> 01:53:54.720 Just look up the Crypted Huntress or on x I'm 2203 01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:59.359 Huntress Jessica Okay, but it's the Crypted Huntress. And I 2204 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:01.600 will be at some events coming up. I'm at the 2205 01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:05.479 Georgia Bigfoot Conference is coming up in September. I've in 2206 01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:08.039 North Georgia and Mount Airy. I'll be there, and then 2207 01:54:08.079 --> 01:54:10.880 I'll be at the Super Soldier Activation Conference in Orlando, 2208 01:54:10.920 --> 01:54:15.359 Florida in October, and then I'll be at the Molina 2209 01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:19.279 Bigfoot festival in Middle Georgia that is coming up in November. 2210 01:54:19.399 --> 01:54:21.840 So those are my three events I can remember, but 2211 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:23.800 I'll be it. But it's all on my website. So 2212 01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:25.439 thank you all again for having me tonight. It's been 2213 01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:26.000 really fun. 2214 01:54:26.920 --> 01:54:28.880 Oh no, thank you. I really appreciate it. 2215 01:54:29.439 --> 01:54:32.199 Uh yeah, everybody's link so I will make sure it's 2216 01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:34.199 in the show notes of the shows. They weren't there. 2217 01:54:35.359 --> 01:54:37.239 Everybody in the chat, thank you so much. So there's 2218 01:54:37.239 --> 01:54:39.119 people there from the beginning to the end like usual. 2219 01:54:39.239 --> 01:54:42.119 I appreciate all that, and I appreciate all the rejects 2220 01:54:42.119 --> 01:54:45.039 coming on tonight and making the time to you know, 2221 01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:46.840 have the show again. 2222 01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:47.680 I had a blast. 2223 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:50.479 I love the stories and uh I'll actually be seeing 2224 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:52.640 you eventually in person soon at one of these shows, 2225 01:54:52.680 --> 01:54:56.319 so look forward to that. And uh yeah, until the 2226 01:54:56.319 --> 01:54:58.640 next one, everybody be well later. 2227 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.880 Our guest today is a researcher and podcaster. He's the 2228 01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:08.680 host of two podcasts, those being Inquiries of Our Reality 2229 01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:14.279 and Bizarre Encounters. Shane Jones, thanks for coming on, man. 2230 01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:16.760 Absolute pleasure to be on the show Man. After having 2231 01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:18.760 a great conversation on my end, Man, we had to 2232 01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:20.600 switch it over to your end. And have a good conversation. 2233 01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:24.199 Yeah, that was fun. I really enjoyed coming on your show. 2234 01:55:24.319 --> 01:55:28.920 We got pretty deep into some World War two advanced 2235 01:55:29.039 --> 01:55:31.279 technology and stuff like that. It was great. 2236 01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:32.000 Yeah. 2237 01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:33.680 We even got to dive a little bit into like 2238 01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:35.760 my alien theory stuff. And I know maybe at some 2239 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:37.199 point we'll kind of want to get into some weird 2240 01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:38.760 theories and stuff on this one, just because it was 2241 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:41.880 pretty fun last time. But yeah, the whole like alien 2242 01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:46.159 abduction phenomenon, not being just specifically aliens, but also having 2243 01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:47.000 a faction of humans. 2244 01:55:47.039 --> 01:55:48.399 So it was a fun conversation. 2245 01:55:48.439 --> 01:55:50.560 Man Like, anybody that didn't listen to it, I recommend 2246 01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:51.960 going back and listen to it, especially if you guys 2247 01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:53.199 end up in joining this episode. 2248 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:57.560 Yeah, everybody go check that out. You told me at 2249 01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:01.920 some point since we've met that you had a Michigan story. 2250 01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:05.640 So I was singing about that today and I gotta say, 2251 01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:09.079 you know, I just had a conversation recently. I had 2252 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:12.920 Jay Widner on and we were talking about he was 2253 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:15.439 he was breaking this down. It was absolutely epic. He 2254 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:21.560 was talking about this ancient naval seafaring secret society and 2255 01:56:21.600 --> 01:56:23.880 he was and he went he traced it back to 2256 01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:27.640 the Phoenicians who were coming over here from the Middle 2257 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:31.239 East to mine copper from Lake Michigan. And I think 2258 01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:35.039 that Phoenicians and Noan's and a couple other groups were 2259 01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:38.960 coming over here to do this copper mining. But I 2260 01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:41.680 just think that that area I'm bringing us up because 2261 01:56:41.680 --> 01:56:44.520 it's such a rich area. It was such a dense history. 2262 01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:48.239 And in fact, there's a town up there on the 2263 01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:53.000 Queenaw Peninsula called Copper Harbor, and I just see that 2264 01:56:53.279 --> 01:56:57.159 name as tracing back to an earlier age. 2265 01:56:57.279 --> 01:56:57.479 You know. 2266 01:56:57.560 --> 01:57:00.119 I think that there's a lot of town names in 2267 01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:02.840 the States here that go back to this earlier age. 2268 01:57:02.840 --> 01:57:07.640 But all that to say that area Michigan has some 2269 01:57:08.479 --> 01:57:09.880 extremely dense history. 2270 01:57:10.680 --> 01:57:13.520 Just to throw in another little aspect too, I don't 2271 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:15.399 know how to pronounce it properly, so I'm not going 2272 01:57:15.439 --> 01:57:16.920 to attempt to pronounce it, but I'll call it the 2273 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:19.680 layman's English name for it. But there was the water Panther, 2274 01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:23.720 which was like the top of the Upper Peninsula kind 2275 01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:27.319 of going into Lake Superior. There was this, uh basically 2276 01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:29.720 like a cave drawing essentially on the pictured rocks that 2277 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:32.039 had this depiction of this thing, and it was supposed 2278 01:57:32.039 --> 01:57:34.079 to be like the protector of the copper. So in 2279 01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:37.079 a weird way, like it seems like folklore usually ends 2280 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:40.560 up reflecting whatever's happening in that region. So considering people 2281 01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:44.119 are coming over and stealing the copper, essentially mining the copper, 2282 01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:46.439 it would make sense they end up having this water 2283 01:57:46.479 --> 01:57:49.319 panther deity that they saw that protected the copper. And 2284 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:51.840 then in turn, I mean passing those stories along, everybody 2285 01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:53.479 is a little bit more like, oh, we know what 2286 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:55.239 could possibly be out here because they're not familiar with 2287 01:57:55.279 --> 01:57:58.640 the territory. So starting up some folklore just to keep 2288 01:57:58.640 --> 01:58:01.359 people away, like you, kind brings in a new perspective 2289 01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:04.720 to the water panther concept when you kind of look 2290 01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:06.960 at it from that possible viewpoint that it's created to 2291 01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:09.439 protect the area, and you know, it's kind of side 2292 01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:12.239 tangent with it protects the copper, but like bringing a 2293 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:13.239 whole other facet into it. 2294 01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:15.439 You know, Yeah, I love that. Man, I have not 2295 01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:18.560 heard that before. That is incredible. I know there's an 2296 01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:22.399 episode that I've been working on and it's just kind 2297 01:58:22.399 --> 01:58:24.039 of on the shelf right now. I'm going to put 2298 01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:26.079 it out eventually, but it has to do with the 2299 01:58:26.119 --> 01:58:29.279 Great Lakes area. It has to do with cults and 2300 01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:35.359 sea monsters or lake monsters, I should say, and pointing 2301 01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:39.239 back to the story you just told, there are petrock 2302 01:58:39.239 --> 01:58:43.920 glyphs and rock carvings of the sea monsters that the 2303 01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:49.359 Native Americans etched, and it does have there's a spiritual 2304 01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:54.520 element to the lore where there's one story where there 2305 01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:56.960 was a big storm on one of the lakes and 2306 01:58:57.279 --> 01:58:59.399 some of these Native Americans were caught out there on 2307 01:58:59.439 --> 01:59:03.119 the storm and one of these sea monsters. Because they 2308 01:59:03.319 --> 01:59:06.880 they were in touch with the spiritual and sacred aspect 2309 01:59:06.920 --> 01:59:09.079 of this creature, they were able to follow it to 2310 01:59:09.319 --> 01:59:12.880 shore safely in the middle of the storm. So there 2311 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:14.880 there's just like, like what you're saying is like a 2312 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:19.359 multifaceted sacred component to a lot of these cryptids, and 2313 01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:24.680 I just really see it really shining in that area 2314 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:28.039 of Michigan in the Great Lakes. And uh, there was 2315 01:59:28.079 --> 01:59:30.039 another one. I'm just gonna throw this in because we're 2316 01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:32.079 talking about cryptids, but there was another one that I 2317 01:59:32.119 --> 01:59:35.239 came across. I think this is a Northern Michigan cryptid. 2318 01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:41.199 It's called maymey Guashi. It's sometimes called the Michigan Merman. 2319 01:59:41.960 --> 01:59:43.560 Yeah, that's the water panther. That's what I was saying. 2320 01:59:43.520 --> 01:59:45.760 It the same one, Okay, okay, because that was the 2321 01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:47.479 name that I like knew it begin with an end. 2322 01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:49.800 But I wasn't gonna just try to pull the name 2323 01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:51.479 out of my ass, like I knew that it was. 2324 01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:53.760 I didn't like see the spelling over in my head, 2325 01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:55.159 but I wasn't gonna make an attempt at is. I 2326 01:59:55.199 --> 01:59:57.079 just Landman terms it and called it the water panther. 2327 01:59:57.319 --> 02:00:01.399 Yeah, okay, Well I'll tell you this then, since we 2328 02:00:01.479 --> 02:00:04.720 talked we mentioned Bigfoot in the pre role. There's a 2329 02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:08.000 group there's an old account I saw recently. It's a 2330 02:00:08.079 --> 02:00:13.239 group of people in the seventeen hundreds. They were up 2331 02:00:13.239 --> 02:00:16.359 there in northern Michigan, I believe, and they actually testified 2332 02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:19.000 under oath that they saw a what they called a 2333 02:00:19.079 --> 02:00:23.159 Merman child on what's called Pie Island. And when you 2334 02:00:23.199 --> 02:00:27.600 look closely at the details, it may have been less 2335 02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:30.479 of a murhman or merbying and more of like a 2336 02:00:30.479 --> 02:00:34.600 wet monkey like Bigfoot like child, because when you get 2337 02:00:34.640 --> 02:00:38.840 into the details of that account, they were talking about 2338 02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:43.279 it having hair, it was hairy, and it maybe just 2339 02:00:43.399 --> 02:00:46.880 looked amphibious at a distance because it was so wet. 2340 02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:51.079 But I looked into it and right next to that 2341 02:00:51.119 --> 02:00:55.520 Pie Island is an island called Isle Royal and it 2342 02:00:55.600 --> 02:01:02.920 has a place called Windigo National Park. So it's like cryptid, 2343 02:01:03.079 --> 02:01:05.039 you know, heaven up there. It's crazy. 2344 02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:05.880 Man. 2345 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:09.000 We even got like the Lake Michigan Triangle, so like 2346 02:01:09.159 --> 02:01:10.840 in that it's like the one corner of it goes 2347 02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:13.359 to like Bray Road, and that's over you know obviously 2348 02:01:13.359 --> 02:01:17.159 in Wisconsin or not Wisconsin. What's state is that that's Illinois, 2349 02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:20.680 and then the other side of it touches Michigan, and 2350 02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:22.640 then the other bottom of it goes to I believe 2351 02:01:22.680 --> 02:01:25.159 Indiana or something goes it basically like hits the corner 2352 02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:27.880 where Lake Michigan's at, where like one side touches the 2353 02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:30.560 bottom the one side and then over on Michigan. But 2354 02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:33.800 the spot that it touches over in Michigan is one 2355 02:01:33.840 --> 02:01:37.640 of the top like per capita UFO abduction areas, like 2356 02:01:37.680 --> 02:01:39.680 it's supposed to be like the third leading place, like 2357 02:01:39.680 --> 02:01:41.720 at least back in the seventies that like I think 2358 02:01:41.720 --> 02:01:44.159 it was some ridiculous number like two and five would 2359 02:01:44.199 --> 02:01:46.439 say that they've had like an abduction experience in this area, 2360 02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:49.520 and that's where like part of the Lake Michigan triangle 2361 02:01:49.600 --> 02:01:52.159 phenomenon started. I feel it was like with that center point, 2362 02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:54.760 because usually people kind of create these triangles from big 2363 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:56.960 events and then they start realizing that everything kind of 2364 02:01:57.000 --> 02:02:00.159 falls within the center of that, and even falling in 2365 02:02:00.159 --> 02:02:01.920 the center of that man on the other side, it 2366 02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:04.920 still kind of touches the lake. Is like Chicago and 2367 02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:06.960 stuff like that, kind of touching into the part of 2368 02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:09.560 the triangle. And everybody knows the whole thing with Chicago 2369 02:02:09.640 --> 02:02:12.079 with all these like flying humanoids and everything, all the 2370 02:02:12.199 --> 02:02:14.840 UFO sidings and everything that are near the O'Hare airport, 2371 02:02:15.199 --> 02:02:17.720 so that still kind of comes full circle into that 2372 02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:20.760 with Bray Road and everything, and then going a little 2373 02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:23.039 bit north. I know that this is becoming a little 2374 02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:25.399 bit more popularized. There's not a lot of research really 2375 02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:26.920 done on it yet because it's a hard spot to 2376 02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:30.079 get to. But you have basically the like Lake Michigan 2377 02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:33.279 like Stonehenge is the best way to describe it. Yeah, 2378 02:02:33.359 --> 02:02:35.119 it's like a little bit off into the water, but 2379 02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:38.159 it's completely like in the water. So that's where somebody 2380 02:02:38.199 --> 02:02:40.920 discovered it. I believe within the last like five ten years, 2381 02:02:41.319 --> 02:02:43.399 and they haven't really been able to get down there 2382 02:02:43.479 --> 02:02:45.680 enough to really do much research with it, but they 2383 02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:49.279 know that there's this other Metholithic structure that exists there. 2384 02:02:49.479 --> 02:02:51.760 And it also again kind of falls into the phenomenon 2385 02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:54.800 of the Lake Michigan Triangle, which again, like you start 2386 02:02:54.840 --> 02:02:57.359 diving into those things and a lot of people kind 2387 02:02:57.359 --> 02:02:59.560 of theorize that they could potentially be portals, ways to 2388 02:02:59.600 --> 02:03:01.960 open differ or gates different things. So is it like, 2389 02:03:02.359 --> 02:03:04.880 is the reason why the Lake Michigan Triangle is active 2390 02:03:05.039 --> 02:03:07.800 is because of that being there? Or is it possible 2391 02:03:07.800 --> 02:03:10.560 that that's there because it's an active area and it 2392 02:03:10.600 --> 02:03:13.479 would like enhance it possibly like something kind of weird 2393 02:03:13.479 --> 02:03:16.039 to think about, But there's so much weird stuff going 2394 02:03:16.079 --> 02:03:18.880 on in Lake Michigan, and we haven't even talked about 2395 02:03:18.880 --> 02:03:21.439 like Lake Superior, that's like a whole other monstrall on 2396 02:03:21.479 --> 02:03:23.239 its own, and that's where the water panther is. And 2397 02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:25.960 I mean on top of that, you have one of 2398 02:03:25.960 --> 02:03:29.800 the deepest, coldest, uh freshwater lakes I believe, on the planet. 2399 02:03:30.199 --> 02:03:32.079 And the whole thing with that is that there's so 2400 02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:34.279 many ghost stories that go to it because when the 2401 02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:36.680 water is that cold, and it stays that cold year 2402 02:03:36.760 --> 02:03:39.359 round because it's so deep, Like nothing ends up floating 2403 02:03:39.359 --> 02:03:43.199 back up, So everything that sinks just stays sunk. And 2404 02:03:43.279 --> 02:03:45.600 like the wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald was one that 2405 02:03:45.680 --> 02:03:47.399 you know a lot of people know that Gordon Whitefootz 2406 02:03:47.439 --> 02:03:50.199 song and all that. Like the reason why it wasn't 2407 02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:53.079 found until years later was because it happened in Lake Superior. 2408 02:03:53.239 --> 02:03:56.119 Completely sank down, no bodies were found, No bodies or 2409 02:03:56.159 --> 02:03:59.199 anything floated up from it. So knowing that about Lake 2410 02:03:59.359 --> 02:04:01.640 Lake Superior or too, it kind of feels like it 2411 02:04:01.720 --> 02:04:04.960 might play a tie in with the whole monster lake 2412 02:04:05.039 --> 02:04:08.319 monster folklore that you know, there's two sides of it, 2413 02:04:08.319 --> 02:04:10.680 you know, I definitely think there's a possibility that people 2414 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:12.640 were seeing things out there. But on the other side 2415 02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:14.560 of it, there's got to be a good portion of 2416 02:04:14.600 --> 02:04:17.000 it that was created off the fact that when nothing 2417 02:04:17.000 --> 02:04:19.279 floats up, you know, what are these people going to 2418 02:04:19.319 --> 02:04:22.920 assume that more than likely something ate it. So, I 2419 02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:24.479 mean that could be a good portion of where some 2420 02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:26.279 of these lake monsters stories come from. It's just the 2421 02:04:26.279 --> 02:04:28.199 fact that things don't float up, and they were trying 2422 02:04:28.199 --> 02:04:32.279 to rationally explain it in a time where they didn't 2423 02:04:32.319 --> 02:04:34.600 have the same science that we do today to know that, 2424 02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:36.680 you know, it's too cold for anything to float back up. 2425 02:04:36.840 --> 02:04:41.800 But these are in my mind, these aren't just lakes. 2426 02:04:42.199 --> 02:04:47.359 These are like freshwater oceans. And I really think, you know, 2427 02:04:47.399 --> 02:04:51.119 we have a lot of aquifers here on this continent, 2428 02:04:51.439 --> 02:04:53.960 and I think that some of these walk these underground 2429 02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:57.039 oceans essentially, is what these aquifers are. I think some 2430 02:04:57.119 --> 02:05:00.800 of those connect to the lakes, and there's this whole 2431 02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:05.319 underground network of waterways that we don't even know much about. 2432 02:05:05.399 --> 02:05:11.680 So the extent of wildlife down there is, I think, 2433 02:05:11.880 --> 02:05:14.760 is something. It's a frontier that we haven't tapped yet. 2434 02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:18.640 And I think Michigan, if I'm correct, has like three 2435 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:24.520 to four possibly more lake monster you know lake monsters 2436 02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:27.359 essentially with names and everything that multiple people have seen. 2437 02:05:28.039 --> 02:05:30.880 And what's interesting with the Michigan side of this is 2438 02:05:30.920 --> 02:05:35.920 that there's some of these lake monsters were once known 2439 02:05:35.960 --> 02:05:40.159 to be horned serpents and they were called great horned serpents. 2440 02:05:40.479 --> 02:05:42.880 And I just think that's wild that not only do 2441 02:05:42.920 --> 02:05:46.920 you have a serpentine dragging like lake monster, but it 2442 02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:50.319 also has horns that seems like it goes back to 2443 02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:53.079 an earlier era as well, you know, with dragon lorens 2444 02:05:53.119 --> 02:05:53.720 and such. 2445 02:05:54.359 --> 02:05:57.079 I mean even diving into like the whole antlered or 2446 02:05:57.119 --> 02:05:59.560 horned serpent. I mean, that's something that you see across 2447 02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:03.479 multiple cultures because the Cherokee have the uktena oh uk 2448 02:06:03.680 --> 02:06:06.199 t e n n or t e n a, and 2449 02:06:06.279 --> 02:06:09.239 that's essentially like an antlered like a horn. It's it's 2450 02:06:09.279 --> 02:06:11.720 a horn serpent, but usually it's depicted with like antlers, 2451 02:06:11.760 --> 02:06:14.399 because you know, the Native American perspective on stuff. But 2452 02:06:14.800 --> 02:06:17.800 I mean, that's something that you see throughout multiple cultures, 2453 02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:20.960 especially Cherokees, and these giant snakes being in the Americas 2454 02:06:20.960 --> 02:06:24.399 and everything like that. But I'm trying to catch my 2455 02:06:24.439 --> 02:06:26.119 train at thought. I had another really good point. I 2456 02:06:26.119 --> 02:06:27.399 was gonna make what was the last part of what 2457 02:06:27.399 --> 02:06:28.119 you were saying here? 2458 02:06:28.359 --> 02:06:32.399 Well, I'll toss this in because I forget what the 2459 02:06:32.439 --> 02:06:34.560 last part of my thing was. But I'll say this 2460 02:06:34.600 --> 02:06:36.520 because this goes back to something you said. You were 2461 02:06:36.520 --> 02:06:42.000 talking about the the the Michigan Stonehenge and how you're 2462 02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:45.560 theorizing is is it there as like an enhancer for 2463 02:06:45.800 --> 02:06:49.439 you know, the the spirituality of the place. Essentially, they 2464 02:06:49.439 --> 02:06:52.119 are metaphysics of the place, and I think that there 2465 02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:56.199 is there's definitely something old and sacred about this area 2466 02:06:56.279 --> 02:07:01.439 of Michigan. And I came across this healer from Estonia 2467 02:07:01.800 --> 02:07:05.039 who moved here to the States in the late eighteen hundreds, 2468 02:07:05.439 --> 02:07:09.119 and he was this famous actor in Dresden and Berlin, 2469 02:07:10.279 --> 02:07:14.680 but something attracted him to Michigan and to an island 2470 02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:18.079 specifically out on Lake Michigan. So he comes out and 2471 02:07:18.119 --> 02:07:22.319 he relocates himself to this island in Michigan, and it's 2472 02:07:22.399 --> 02:07:26.680 this ancient place where there was something tangibly sacred going 2473 02:07:26.720 --> 02:07:30.640 on that drew him in. It's absolutely crazy. So there's 2474 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:33.760 I think, with all these legends and the Lord, you 2475 02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:36.880 have something. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. 2476 02:07:37.239 --> 02:07:41.000 The phenomenon, I mean, it's definitely a double sided thing. 2477 02:07:41.039 --> 02:07:44.000 Where Like specifically Detroit, you see a lot of these 2478 02:07:44.079 --> 02:07:48.319 like strange occult connections. Like there's a music venue. Everybody 2479 02:07:48.319 --> 02:07:50.399 associates it as a music venue now, but it's the 2480 02:07:50.399 --> 02:07:53.119 Masonic Temple, and when you actually start looking into the 2481 02:07:53.159 --> 02:07:55.359 history of it, like that was one of the Masonic 2482 02:07:55.359 --> 02:07:58.960 temples that like Crowley himself or Alistair Crowley himself actually 2483 02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:01.920 started back in like nineteen twenty something and he like 2484 02:08:01.920 --> 02:08:04.479 started this temple, set it all up, and then like 2485 02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:06.640 never ended up coming back to it. But there's like 2486 02:08:06.680 --> 02:08:10.199 this weird underlying like a cult history within specifically like 2487 02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:13.560 the Detroit area, and like I'm sure you've probably heard 2488 02:08:13.560 --> 02:08:15.359 about it, but like the Nine Rouge, which is like 2489 02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:18.720 this little like red demon looking imp that supposedly has 2490 02:08:18.720 --> 02:08:21.600 sightings near Detroit. You start diving into that and it's 2491 02:08:21.640 --> 02:08:25.119 like it's almost like one of those weird things where 2492 02:08:25.119 --> 02:08:26.680 you don't quite know where to go with it because 2493 02:08:26.960 --> 02:08:30.239 you hear the depiction of it and you associate it 2494 02:08:30.279 --> 02:08:33.640 with like maybe something that's like more on the demonic side, 2495 02:08:33.640 --> 02:08:35.520 which would explain why there's so much like a cult 2496 02:08:35.560 --> 02:08:37.439 stuff that happens in Detroit. Is maybe there's a link 2497 02:08:37.479 --> 02:08:40.319 to that. But on the other side of it, like Detroit, 2498 02:08:40.359 --> 02:08:42.399 like the area was founded by I don't remember his 2499 02:08:42.399 --> 02:08:44.079 first name, but his last name was Cadillac, which is 2500 02:08:44.119 --> 02:08:46.239 why you know the car company Cadillac came to be. 2501 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:50.079 But there's like this whole thing where he supposedly had 2502 02:08:50.079 --> 02:08:52.720 seen this thing too, Like there's generations and generations of 2503 02:08:52.720 --> 02:08:55.479 people seeing this nine rouge, and it usually a scene 2504 02:08:55.560 --> 02:08:57.800 right before like a tragic or like really really bad 2505 02:08:57.840 --> 02:09:00.479 event ends up happening, like we had really really bad 2506 02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:03.039 racial riots back in the day. And supposedly like that 2507 02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:05.479 thing was seen by like groups of people right before 2508 02:09:05.520 --> 02:09:08.600 all this stuff started. Actually a different Cadillac, but the 2509 02:09:08.600 --> 02:09:11.720 guy who owned the Cadillac car company right before he 2510 02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:13.760 had like a big downfall with this company, he claims 2511 02:09:13.760 --> 02:09:15.760 that he had seen this thing, and he also claimed 2512 02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:17.439 that he saw it before he ended up going on 2513 02:09:17.520 --> 02:09:20.479 to his like deathbad. So again, like they all describe 2514 02:09:20.520 --> 02:09:22.840 it as like this little, like if looking thing, and 2515 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:24.960 it's like, is it something that's occult related or on 2516 02:09:25.000 --> 02:09:28.239 the other side, I mean, because the occult and paganism 2517 02:09:28.319 --> 02:09:30.279 seem to kind of have this like side tangent with 2518 02:09:30.319 --> 02:09:32.640 each other that it's just like a different viewpoint and 2519 02:09:32.680 --> 02:09:35.880 faction of it. Because you know, most people associate paganism 2520 02:09:35.920 --> 02:09:38.079 and occultism as like the full on same thing, but 2521 02:09:38.119 --> 02:09:40.279 at least like when I talk to people, they're definitely 2522 02:09:40.359 --> 02:09:42.039 in the same van I'm not gonna deny that, but 2523 02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:46.920 it seems like most pagans are a bit more natural 2524 02:09:47.039 --> 02:09:49.760 like Earth Base, where the occult stuff is obviously like 2525 02:09:49.800 --> 02:09:52.079 the dark stuff that people start getting into, like you know, 2526 02:09:52.159 --> 02:09:54.319 methods of how to control people, methods about how to 2527 02:09:54.399 --> 02:09:56.760 use like different types of dark magic and stuff. But 2528 02:09:56.800 --> 02:09:58.399 the pagan stuff seems to be a little bit more 2529 02:09:58.479 --> 02:10:02.399 like nature based, so like the pagan viewpoint of that, Like, 2530 02:10:03.079 --> 02:10:05.520 is it possible that this nine Rouge might actually be 2531 02:10:05.680 --> 02:10:08.279 some form of like a like a forest spirit or 2532 02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:10.279 something like that, or like something that was a little 2533 02:10:10.319 --> 02:10:12.199 bit more along the lines of like pan or. 2534 02:10:12.159 --> 02:10:12.760 Something like that. 2535 02:10:12.880 --> 02:10:15.800 Yeah, something that it was intended to protect the area, 2536 02:10:16.039 --> 02:10:19.159 and people see it before bad events, not because it's 2537 02:10:19.479 --> 02:10:21.840 a harbinger of doom or something like the Mothman, but 2538 02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:25.279 rather that it's like still angry that we're in this area, 2539 02:10:25.640 --> 02:10:28.239 and maybe it's the reason those events start. So it's 2540 02:10:28.279 --> 02:10:30.239 not that it's warning people of it, but it's starting 2541 02:10:30.239 --> 02:10:33.079 these events every now and then just to try to 2542 02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:36.359 get people out of this sacred area to whatever that 2543 02:10:36.439 --> 02:10:39.439 being might be. But I mean, they're supposedly these festivals 2544 02:10:39.439 --> 02:10:41.319 were people dress up and like go around doing it 2545 02:10:41.319 --> 02:10:44.119 in Detroit, but anybody it's not familiar with Detroit, like 2546 02:10:44.359 --> 02:10:46.520 it sounds good in practice, it sounds fun, It sounds 2547 02:10:46.600 --> 02:10:48.359 like something you want to go do if you're into cryptids, 2548 02:10:48.399 --> 02:10:53.399 but being from Detroit, like not my scene. Like Detroit 2549 02:10:53.520 --> 02:10:55.640 isn't the safest place in the world where you just 2550 02:10:55.680 --> 02:10:57.560 want to be like walking around having fun in like 2551 02:10:57.600 --> 02:10:58.720 a costume and stuff like that. 2552 02:10:58.760 --> 02:11:00.840 But yeah, it's not. It's not Marty Gras. 2553 02:11:01.119 --> 02:11:02.279 Yeah, it's not Marty Grass. 2554 02:11:02.359 --> 02:11:04.760 I mean, like it sounds interesting, but like I don't 2555 02:11:04.800 --> 02:11:06.640 know if I necessarily want to get involved in doing 2556 02:11:06.640 --> 02:11:07.199 that at least. 2557 02:11:07.279 --> 02:11:09.960 Yeah, man, that is such a I've heard of that 2558 02:11:10.000 --> 02:11:13.439 and I've read. Thank you for sharing it because there's 2559 02:11:13.479 --> 02:11:15.399 a lot of stuff that a lot of details that 2560 02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:17.520 you just filled me in on that I wasn't aware of. 2561 02:11:17.600 --> 02:11:21.920 With that Red Little Earth, it's like an urban cryptid. 2562 02:11:21.960 --> 02:11:24.560 That's the weirdest thing. But I like your period. 2563 02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:26.720 It's back to the beginning of Detroit though, which is 2564 02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:28.920 the weird part about it. So people associate it more 2565 02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:31.399 with like an urban legend, but it has roots all 2566 02:11:31.439 --> 02:11:33.399 the way back to like the formation of the city, 2567 02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:36.079 with like the original like fur Trapper Cadillac. 2568 02:11:36.399 --> 02:11:40.079 Yeah, well that's I think a lot of these like 2569 02:11:40.199 --> 02:11:42.399 for instance, slender Man. I'm not going to go into it, 2570 02:11:42.479 --> 02:11:47.319 but I think that it goes back to an earlier spirit, 2571 02:11:47.479 --> 02:11:51.840 like a regional spirit, right, And I like nlusifilea is 2572 02:11:51.880 --> 02:11:56.760 what the Native Americans call it. Those are real tall, tall, slender, dark, 2573 02:11:56.840 --> 02:12:00.920 shadowy creature who had a lot of the same actions 2574 02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:05.039 and mannerisms that we see with slender Man. And it's like, well, 2575 02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:09.039 did that whatever that is, that entity did it somehow 2576 02:12:09.119 --> 02:12:12.479 managed to find its way into into our technology and 2577 02:12:12.880 --> 02:12:16.920 come through and manifest that way. But you know, going 2578 02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:20.199 back to this pagan occult stuff within the cities, that's 2579 02:12:20.319 --> 02:12:26.079 really fascinating stuff. And I came across a love crafty 2580 02:12:26.119 --> 02:12:30.079 and cult that was based out of Chicago, and what 2581 02:12:30.119 --> 02:12:35.000 they were doing was they were driving out into more 2582 02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:37.640 remote areas. They were even going as far as Wisconsin, 2583 02:12:37.880 --> 02:12:41.600 and they were going to lakes to do rituals. So 2584 02:12:41.640 --> 02:12:44.600 that opened up this whole door for me into this 2585 02:12:44.640 --> 02:12:50.079 world of lakes and essentially witchcraft because they were harnessing 2586 02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:52.159 the power of the water. It's something to do with 2587 02:12:52.199 --> 02:12:54.359 the water. I think, like a lot of the the 2588 02:12:54.840 --> 02:12:58.760 like this conversation that we've had so far today, there's 2589 02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:01.720 one of the key components is there's large bodies of 2590 02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:05.439 water nearby and something. 2591 02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:08.399 To think about with that too. First of all, like 2592 02:13:08.600 --> 02:13:11.239 Crowley claimed that he was the one that like made 2593 02:13:11.279 --> 02:13:14.880 the Lockness monster appear in Lake Lockness from doing rituals, 2594 02:13:14.880 --> 02:13:16.479 So just like something to kind of think about on 2595 02:13:16.520 --> 02:13:19.600 that side tangent with that. But even in Michigan, it's 2596 02:13:19.600 --> 02:13:22.960 like you have Presse, which is basically like our variation 2597 02:13:23.039 --> 02:13:27.159 of like this pleasiosaur kind of described like being a creature. 2598 02:13:27.680 --> 02:13:32.399 So I mean getting into the whole concept of like portals, vibration, frequency, 2599 02:13:32.840 --> 02:13:34.760 Like clearly there's something to it, and we're starting to 2600 02:13:34.760 --> 02:13:37.680 prove that even in like mainstream signs that they're everything 2601 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:40.640 that you see, everything you experience, it all breaks down 2602 02:13:40.640 --> 02:13:44.079 to like vibration and frequency. So if you're trying to 2603 02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:47.680 open up portals, you're trying to open up riffs water itself, 2604 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:50.399 you can play a vibration on it, a frequency on it, 2605 02:13:50.439 --> 02:13:53.600 and it'll ripple and it'll create these patterns. So I'm 2606 02:13:53.600 --> 02:13:55.800 wondering if that plays a factor that it's more so 2607 02:13:55.880 --> 02:13:59.760 that you could potentially do it anywhere, but it's enhanced 2608 02:13:59.800 --> 02:14:02.600 in places of water because of the fact that the 2609 02:14:02.640 --> 02:14:06.720 medium you can make it essentially like create shapes and 2610 02:14:06.760 --> 02:14:10.399 patterns from projecting vibration and frequencies on it. So in turn, 2611 02:14:10.920 --> 02:14:14.760 it might like amplify the abilities of these portal locations 2612 02:14:15.000 --> 02:14:17.399 where maybe rather than just hearing voices on the other 2613 02:14:17.439 --> 02:14:21.039 side of it, or hearing like you know, ominous disembodied 2614 02:14:21.079 --> 02:14:23.319 beings on the other side of it, rather it creates 2615 02:14:23.319 --> 02:14:25.760 like a medium that these things might potentially be able 2616 02:14:25.800 --> 02:14:28.600 to pass through. And then when you start diving into that, man, 2617 02:14:28.920 --> 02:14:31.600 like a lot of the UFO stuff, Man, everybody's claiming 2618 02:14:31.600 --> 02:14:33.520 these things are coming from the water, and everybody's trying 2619 02:14:33.520 --> 02:14:36.159 to say that they're terrestrial and they're not extraterrestrial, like 2620 02:14:37.319 --> 02:14:39.439 to side of that, I mean, it's definitely something I 2621 02:14:39.520 --> 02:14:42.239 take into consideration that at least from the appearance of 2622 02:14:42.239 --> 02:14:44.760 these things, you know, they could definitely be some type 2623 02:14:44.800 --> 02:14:46.920 of underground dwelling being. But if you're looking at it 2624 02:14:46.920 --> 02:14:49.279 from that perspective, like maybe they are coming from somewhere 2625 02:14:49.279 --> 02:14:52.840 else and they're again just using the water as a medium. 2626 02:14:52.880 --> 02:14:54.600 Well, I think there might be a little bit of 2627 02:14:54.640 --> 02:14:57.359 both going on. Honestly, Like if you not right now 2628 02:14:57.359 --> 02:15:00.399 because there's snow on the ground here but and other 2629 02:15:00.439 --> 02:15:03.039 parts of the country, but if you go out in 2630 02:15:03.079 --> 02:15:07.319 your backyard during the summer, and you just take a moment, 2631 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:09.520 just sit down in the grass and just look down. 2632 02:15:09.800 --> 02:15:12.800 Go anywhere in your backyard and just look down, and 2633 02:15:13.000 --> 02:15:18.399 you're going to see that the ground is teeming with life. 2634 02:15:18.399 --> 02:15:20.680 And if you were to take a shovel at a 2635 02:15:20.760 --> 02:15:23.760 random spot in your yard and just dig up a 2636 02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:26.800 piece of the earth, you're going to see more life 2637 02:15:26.880 --> 02:15:30.159 that you didn't know was there. It's just and like 2638 02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:32.159 a lot of times when I'm in my backyard in 2639 02:15:32.199 --> 02:15:36.600 the summertime, I usually see an insect or something that 2640 02:15:36.720 --> 02:15:41.119 I had no idea existed. So what if the supernatural 2641 02:15:41.159 --> 02:15:43.319 realm is the same way, And what if we have 2642 02:15:43.840 --> 02:15:47.920 these entities like that people are talking about during their 2643 02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:51.920 DMT experiences, like these dimensional types, And then what if 2644 02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:56.960 we have a faction of cryptids I guess, I don't 2645 02:15:57.000 --> 02:15:59.720 know what, a faction of aliens, what we would call aliens, 2646 02:15:59.720 --> 02:16:02.199 some sort of other rice living in the ocean as well. 2647 02:16:03.479 --> 02:16:06.359 I mean, I could definitely see the possibility of the 2648 02:16:06.399 --> 02:16:10.800 fact that I've kind of wondered this myself, if the 2649 02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:15.079 best way to interact with your environment will inevitably end 2650 02:16:15.159 --> 02:16:19.439 up in some type of like humanoid type form that 2651 02:16:19.560 --> 02:16:21.439 you'll eventually get to a point where the best way 2652 02:16:21.479 --> 02:16:24.159 to interact to your environment, especially if you're an intelligent being, 2653 02:16:24.319 --> 02:16:27.239 is to be able to move freely around while also 2654 02:16:27.359 --> 02:16:32.000 being able to grab and experience your surroundings with hands 2655 02:16:32.079 --> 02:16:34.120 or some form of like appendage or something, so that 2656 02:16:34.159 --> 02:16:37.440 you can interact properly with the environment. So at least 2657 02:16:38.040 --> 02:16:40.360 maybe that would work a little bit differently on other 2658 02:16:40.399 --> 02:16:42.959 planets where like the atmosphere is different, like there may 2659 02:16:43.000 --> 02:16:45.040 be not even necessarily carbon based, but at least on 2660 02:16:45.079 --> 02:16:47.719 this planet, the way that we've adapted to be this 2661 02:16:48.639 --> 02:16:51.760 apex predator of the planet. If there are other things 2662 02:16:51.760 --> 02:16:54.440 that could potentially get to that point, my assumption would 2663 02:16:54.479 --> 02:16:56.799 be that they would eventually adapt to a point where 2664 02:16:57.200 --> 02:17:00.280 they would essentially be this humanoid type form, because that 2665 02:17:00.319 --> 02:17:02.200 would be the end all, be all best form in 2666 02:17:02.280 --> 02:17:05.559 order to navigate on this planet. So if you consider 2667 02:17:05.639 --> 02:17:08.920 the fact of like different things possibly fitting into different niches, 2668 02:17:09.479 --> 02:17:12.959 you know, there's the humans of the land, which would essentially, 2669 02:17:13.000 --> 02:17:15.399 you know, that's what we would be, Like. I don't 2670 02:17:15.440 --> 02:17:20.440 see it as completely unplausible that there would also be 2671 02:17:20.959 --> 02:17:24.559 a mutation that would adapt to be the the humanoid 2672 02:17:24.879 --> 02:17:28.159 version for the sea, and then the humanoid version for 2673 02:17:28.559 --> 02:17:31.159 the forest or the mountains, because we are not existing 2674 02:17:31.159 --> 02:17:33.159 in that niche, which could be where like the sasquatch, 2675 02:17:33.200 --> 02:17:35.559 and it fits in and at least for that one, 2676 02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:37.239 you talk to a lot of like natives and stuff 2677 02:17:37.280 --> 02:17:40.440 like that, and they basically will describe it as not 2678 02:17:40.479 --> 02:17:42.520 so much as like an animal, not so much as 2679 02:17:42.559 --> 02:17:45.920 like some type of interdimensional type being, but rather that 2680 02:17:46.000 --> 02:17:48.600 they're like the apex of what we're intended to be 2681 02:17:48.639 --> 02:17:50.959 if we would have lived by like the rules of nature. 2682 02:17:51.079 --> 02:17:54.200 So if you're viewing it from that point, that there 2683 02:17:54.200 --> 02:17:58.200 may have been this diverging point where different things went 2684 02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:02.079 in different directions and continue to adapt differently. I mean, 2685 02:18:02.159 --> 02:18:05.239 that could one explain the mermaid phenomenon that people experience, 2686 02:18:05.319 --> 02:18:07.360 because there would have been a section of it that 2687 02:18:07.360 --> 02:18:09.920 would have eventually went to the water, just like how 2688 02:18:10.200 --> 02:18:12.879 this little tiny rat looking creature ended up turning into 2689 02:18:12.879 --> 02:18:14.479 a whale. It's because it went to the water and 2690 02:18:14.520 --> 02:18:16.719 it was able to expand and it adapted to fit 2691 02:18:16.760 --> 02:18:18.959 into that niche. And then you have again the ones 2692 02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:20.760 that stayed in the forest up in the mountains, and 2693 02:18:20.760 --> 02:18:23.680 that's where you get the you know Sasquatch, Yeti, Yawi, 2694 02:18:23.799 --> 02:18:26.360 any of the different names Alda Massi in Russia if 2695 02:18:26.360 --> 02:18:28.079 you want to call it that. And then on the 2696 02:18:28.120 --> 02:18:29.360 other side of it too, this is where the other 2697 02:18:29.479 --> 02:18:32.319 niche kind of comes in. The whole great concept that 2698 02:18:32.840 --> 02:18:34.760 you know, you had like the natives that would described 2699 02:18:34.840 --> 02:18:38.479 like the moon eyed people, and they were described as 2700 02:18:38.520 --> 02:18:41.680 these things that had these giant black eyes. They wouldn't 2701 02:18:41.680 --> 02:18:46.200 necessarily not necessarily black, but these giant eyes that they adapted. 2702 02:18:46.360 --> 02:18:48.719 Yeah, they were nocturnal. 2703 02:18:48.760 --> 02:18:51.120 Yepes, because that's where the name comes from from moon 2704 02:18:51.159 --> 02:18:52.959 eyed people, is that they were only able to see 2705 02:18:52.959 --> 02:18:54.760 like when it was dark out, when it was nighttime. 2706 02:18:55.120 --> 02:18:57.680 So assumably like that's an adaptation that you end up 2707 02:18:57.680 --> 02:19:02.280 seeing with things that are under the dwell underground, like 2708 02:19:02.319 --> 02:19:04.959 you see that with like you know, those fish species 2709 02:19:05.040 --> 02:19:07.200 or those lizard species that end up existing in a 2710 02:19:07.239 --> 02:19:09.280 cave for a really long time. Either one they'll end 2711 02:19:09.360 --> 02:19:12.000 up developing larger eyes where they can take in more 2712 02:19:12.079 --> 02:19:13.799 light and they can sense things around them, or on 2713 02:19:13.840 --> 02:19:17.239 the other end, they'll develop further into their other senses 2714 02:19:17.239 --> 02:19:21.200 completely lose the eyes in general. So it seems like 2715 02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:23.280 there would also be a niche for something eventually going 2716 02:19:23.280 --> 02:19:26.799 on underground. So it's like, is the gray concept that 2717 02:19:27.159 --> 02:19:28.840 does that fall in with the moon eyed people thing? 2718 02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:31.719 Does that fall in with all these weird cave dwelling 2719 02:19:31.799 --> 02:19:34.280 type creatures that people see and describe that all seem 2720 02:19:34.319 --> 02:19:36.959 to have this like gray tone with like giant black eyes. 2721 02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:40.319 Like I feel like there's these multiple niches where you're 2722 02:19:40.319 --> 02:19:43.319 gonna need that end all be all apex predator and 2723 02:19:43.719 --> 02:19:46.399 if there's a sense of intelligence to them, you know, 2724 02:19:46.399 --> 02:19:49.000 they're gonna avoid the other ones. And we just might 2725 02:19:49.040 --> 02:19:51.200 be the ignorant ones because we think that we rule 2726 02:19:51.239 --> 02:19:53.680 all the land. But that's because these other things that 2727 02:19:53.719 --> 02:19:58.319 could easily like basically like turn on us and eventually 2728 02:19:58.319 --> 02:20:00.000 get to a point where they could probably take us out. 2729 02:20:00.079 --> 02:20:02.040 Like we're completely oblivious to them and for time like 2730 02:20:02.079 --> 02:20:05.440 they don't exist, But like is that the Definitely. 2731 02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:08.239 They're definitely there's a there is an intelligence, you know, 2732 02:20:08.280 --> 02:20:11.040 and going into keel And and I know I've talked 2733 02:20:11.079 --> 02:20:13.520 about him enough on here, but you know he was 2734 02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:16.719 he would often refer to the phenomenon as as an 2735 02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:20.879 intelligence that kind of had different ways of manifesting itself. 2736 02:20:20.879 --> 02:20:24.440 And then you also have a very more like ancient 2737 02:20:25.239 --> 02:20:29.680 scripture folklore type of a perspective that I find very 2738 02:20:29.680 --> 02:20:33.520 interesting from the Book of Enoch, where there's a translation 2739 02:20:33.719 --> 02:20:36.159 there where it seems like there was some sort of 2740 02:20:36.200 --> 02:20:42.159 a cosmic struggle and between all these different entities, and 2741 02:20:42.280 --> 02:20:47.200 some of them fell to Earth, and wherever they landed, 2742 02:20:48.440 --> 02:20:55.680 they became a a cryptid, an enhanced cryptid, geared towards 2743 02:20:55.719 --> 02:20:58.120 that specific region. So if they landed in water, they 2744 02:20:58.159 --> 02:21:01.559 became mermaids. If they landed on in the forest, maybe 2745 02:21:01.600 --> 02:21:05.479 they became a fairy or woodland spirit or or a 2746 02:21:05.520 --> 02:21:09.680 protector of the woods like Bigfoot. So there's there's I 2747 02:21:09.719 --> 02:21:13.559 think it's a I'm I like that there's a mystery 2748 02:21:13.559 --> 02:21:16.520 to this. I like to you know, we're throwing out ideas, 2749 02:21:16.600 --> 02:21:19.000 and they're all very interesting ideas. But end of the day, 2750 02:21:19.239 --> 02:21:22.040 the fact that this is a just a giant mystery 2751 02:21:22.079 --> 02:21:24.479 that we can kind of chase after, there's something to 2752 02:21:24.520 --> 02:21:28.280 be said about that. There's gold in the mysteries. And 2753 02:21:28.280 --> 02:21:31.200 and I think that these cryptid stories, and we've talked 2754 02:21:31.239 --> 02:21:34.159 about a lot of cryptids so far, uh, they speak 2755 02:21:34.200 --> 02:21:36.639 to the mystery of this planet. And and there are 2756 02:21:36.680 --> 02:21:41.159 so many accounts of people seeing these not and not 2757 02:21:41.239 --> 02:21:44.600 everybody's lying, So it just blows me away sometimes how 2758 02:21:45.280 --> 02:21:49.239 how weird and magical this place really is. And I 2759 02:21:49.280 --> 02:21:52.000 know that you have a story too, I'm excited to 2760 02:21:52.000 --> 02:21:55.040 get into that. But uh, and it was in Michigan. 2761 02:21:55.120 --> 02:21:58.000 So what about where did you where? Because I don't 2762 02:21:58.000 --> 02:22:00.239 know where did you grow up in Michigan? Did you 2763 02:22:00.239 --> 02:22:01.079 say it was southern? 2764 02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:05.920 Yeah, southern, well, southeastern Michigan, near like the Detroit area. 2765 02:22:05.959 --> 02:22:08.879 I grew up like north of Detroit, but all like 2766 02:22:08.959 --> 02:22:10.959 the suburban type areas and then going out into like 2767 02:22:10.959 --> 02:22:13.559 the country areas. But for anybody that's not familiar with 2768 02:22:13.559 --> 02:22:15.200 the area, it's just easier just to say Detroit, the 2769 02:22:15.200 --> 02:22:15.680 Detroit area. 2770 02:22:15.760 --> 02:22:18.040 Yeah, I got you. Did you see did you have 2771 02:22:18.079 --> 02:22:22.600 any Do you know anybody who saw the nine Rouge? 2772 02:22:22.639 --> 02:22:23.399 Is that what it's called? 2773 02:22:24.040 --> 02:22:24.520 I have not. 2774 02:22:24.920 --> 02:22:28.520 It's an E I N R O g U E. 2775 02:22:28.639 --> 02:22:33.200 So it's French for for red and then the nine part. 2776 02:22:33.399 --> 02:22:35.639 I don't know what that is offhand, but I know 2777 02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:37.680 like in German it means no, so like no red. 2778 02:22:37.719 --> 02:22:39.559 But I don't think they're gonna be mixing languages between 2779 02:22:39.559 --> 02:22:41.239 German and French. So it's got to be something else 2780 02:22:41.280 --> 02:22:41.520 with that. 2781 02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:44.760 But oh yeah, man, that's I'm glad you brought that. 2782 02:22:44.879 --> 02:22:46.760 I really am glad you brought that up today, because 2783 02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:49.840 that's such a wild cryptid. You know, I've read about it. 2784 02:22:49.879 --> 02:22:52.000 I've seen depictions of it too, where it's like this 2785 02:22:52.120 --> 02:22:54.680 little red devil looking. 2786 02:22:54.520 --> 02:22:57.360 Creature but it's like a nymph. 2787 02:22:58.079 --> 02:22:58.319 Yeah. 2788 02:22:58.440 --> 02:23:01.920 Yeah, But I think I mentioned when to go earlier. 2789 02:23:02.440 --> 02:23:06.399 I wanted to sprinkle that in because I think, if 2790 02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:08.680 I'm getting this correct, you do have some sort of 2791 02:23:08.719 --> 02:23:10.399 a wind to go story, right. 2792 02:23:10.840 --> 02:23:11.520 Yes, I have. 2793 02:23:12.479 --> 02:23:14.719 I have that experience, and then I also have some 2794 02:23:14.760 --> 02:23:17.040 sasquatch research that I was doing on the other side 2795 02:23:17.040 --> 02:23:18.799 of the state, which is near like where the Dewey 2796 02:23:18.879 --> 02:23:20.959 Lake monster settings and stuff were. So I don't know 2797 02:23:20.959 --> 02:23:22.520 which one you want to tackle first, because if you 2798 02:23:22.559 --> 02:23:24.239 open up Bigfoot again, it might turn into a whole 2799 02:23:24.239 --> 02:23:27.520 other can of worms. But I also have another can 2800 02:23:27.520 --> 02:23:29.479 of worms I can open as far as like my 2801 02:23:29.600 --> 02:23:32.399 explanation as to where I've kind of come as far 2802 02:23:32.399 --> 02:23:35.520 as researching after like my main experience that kind of 2803 02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:38.600 pushed me into where I am now with podcasting and 2804 02:23:38.639 --> 02:23:40.760 researching and doing all this stuff. I do because you 2805 02:23:40.840 --> 02:23:42.680 have like these weird events and then you just have 2806 02:23:42.799 --> 02:23:44.920 that one that's like the turning point. Then after that, 2807 02:23:44.959 --> 02:23:46.639 it's like you put so much time and effort into 2808 02:23:46.680 --> 02:23:49.200 researching that, and then it just branches into the other 2809 02:23:49.239 --> 02:23:51.399 things and then next thing you know, you're running a podcast. 2810 02:23:51.479 --> 02:23:53.840 So yeah, yeah, which one was it for you? That 2811 02:23:54.000 --> 02:23:55.680 was the milestone turning point? 2812 02:23:55.799 --> 02:23:59.799 Which experience that would have been the I don't even 2813 02:24:00.319 --> 02:24:02.159 like calling it a wind to go, Like I definitely 2814 02:24:02.600 --> 02:24:04.639 come to that conclusion, at least from my research, but 2815 02:24:04.639 --> 02:24:09.280 I'm definitely open to other people's interpretation and explanation of 2816 02:24:09.319 --> 02:24:10.920 what it could possibly be, because when it comes to 2817 02:24:10.920 --> 02:24:13.120 this phenomenon, I mean, it's all all of us creating 2818 02:24:13.159 --> 02:24:15.840 theories and it ends up becoming whatever makes the most 2819 02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:16.399 sense to you. 2820 02:24:16.559 --> 02:24:17.959 And that's kind of what. 2821 02:24:17.959 --> 02:24:20.840 I came to was the wind to go, but not 2822 02:24:21.079 --> 02:24:23.000 how people imagine the wind to go, which is this 2823 02:24:23.040 --> 02:24:25.319 whole backstory explanation I can get into a bit, But 2824 02:24:26.200 --> 02:24:28.840 that would have definitely been like the turning point, because 2825 02:24:28.879 --> 02:24:31.159 even within that, I saw that within the phenomenon and 2826 02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:35.280 explanations of phenomenon, there's a lot of divergence and like 2827 02:24:35.360 --> 02:24:39.680 mixing of folklore with the whole concept of like how 2828 02:24:39.719 --> 02:24:41.639 history is written, where like it's written by the victor 2829 02:24:41.680 --> 02:24:44.760 whoever ends up conquering the area has this weird way 2830 02:24:44.879 --> 02:24:48.559 of manipulating whatever the original folklore was, and that definitely 2831 02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:51.879 seems to be what happened with the whole Windigo concept, 2832 02:24:51.959 --> 02:24:55.200 especially after like putting a ridiculous amount of research into it. 2833 02:24:55.719 --> 02:24:58.799 Well that's cool, man, it seems like you've let's touch 2834 02:24:58.840 --> 02:25:00.479 on that a little bit, and you can tell that 2835 02:25:00.520 --> 02:25:03.440 story too if you want, because it sounds like you've 2836 02:25:03.520 --> 02:25:06.360 kind of grown with this story. 2837 02:25:06.399 --> 02:25:08.559 It's one of those weird stories where it's like the 2838 02:25:08.639 --> 02:25:10.600 farther it gets, I don't even like calling it a 2839 02:25:10.639 --> 02:25:12.479 story because story kind of seems like it has the 2840 02:25:12.479 --> 02:25:16.440 connotation of like I definitely saw something. It was definitely 2841 02:25:16.440 --> 02:25:19.760 something that wasn't normal, and I've tried to explain it since, 2842 02:25:19.799 --> 02:25:22.440 but it's like the more that time goes on, the 2843 02:25:22.440 --> 02:25:25.000 more you like question yourself about it even more, and 2844 02:25:25.040 --> 02:25:27.559 it's like, is that really what I saw? Or you 2845 02:25:27.600 --> 02:25:29.639 get to a point where it's like you just get 2846 02:25:29.719 --> 02:25:33.879 established with this is what I experienced at least, so 2847 02:25:33.959 --> 02:25:37.159 then you end up unintentionally creating this like bias over 2848 02:25:37.159 --> 02:25:39.719 the experience, and it just sucks that the farther away 2849 02:25:39.760 --> 02:25:42.639 from it you get it's the less of a grasp. 2850 02:25:42.760 --> 02:25:44.920 You really feel like you had on even understanding it 2851 02:25:44.959 --> 02:25:45.680 in the first place. 2852 02:25:46.040 --> 02:25:48.000 Yeah, and I'll say this too about the Wind to Go. 2853 02:25:48.159 --> 02:25:51.879 I think that maybe it's been misinterpreted. I may maybe 2854 02:25:51.959 --> 02:25:56.120 these images that come to mind of this big, you know, daunting, 2855 02:25:56.440 --> 02:25:59.440 antler to thing, maybe that's not what this is, because 2856 02:25:59.799 --> 02:26:03.879 I I think it comes from alguankin h folklore, from 2857 02:26:03.959 --> 02:26:07.600 Native American folklore, and from the cases I've studied, it 2858 02:26:07.680 --> 02:26:11.920 seems like which there are hundreds of documented cases of 2859 02:26:11.959 --> 02:26:15.360 this where people killed other people because they said they 2860 02:26:15.360 --> 02:26:18.799 were taken over by this, so it was almost like 2861 02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:19.639 a spirit. 2862 02:26:21.479 --> 02:26:21.719 See. 2863 02:26:21.760 --> 02:26:23.479 I guess this kind of opens up the can of 2864 02:26:23.520 --> 02:26:26.399 worms for me to at least get into where I 2865 02:26:26.440 --> 02:26:28.639 think the differentiation came in. And I don't know if 2866 02:26:28.639 --> 02:26:30.920 anybody else has necessarily thrown this theory, but this is 2867 02:26:30.959 --> 02:26:32.840 at least the conclusion that I ended up coming to. 2868 02:26:33.600 --> 02:26:36.959 So what most people would describe as the Wind to 2869 02:26:37.000 --> 02:26:44.200 Go is this half monster, dear headed, skulled, antlered type being. 2870 02:26:44.879 --> 02:26:48.200 But the natives did not describe it that way, and 2871 02:26:48.319 --> 02:26:50.159 when it goes one of those things, it's kind of 2872 02:26:50.159 --> 02:26:52.559 like sasquatch that depending on the tribe, there's the same 2873 02:26:52.879 --> 02:26:55.479 being that's described, but it has different names. Like there's 2874 02:26:55.520 --> 02:26:58.719 the Wachugay, there's another example for it. Like it's something 2875 02:26:58.719 --> 02:27:01.760 that's seen mixed throughout it, Like it's not just specific 2876 02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:04.520 to like one Native American culture, mainly stuff more towards 2877 02:27:04.559 --> 02:27:06.479 the north. But I'll kind of get into like more 2878 02:27:06.479 --> 02:27:08.399 of the explanation with that as we keep going. But 2879 02:27:09.200 --> 02:27:11.440 so the image of the Windygo is not how the 2880 02:27:11.520 --> 02:27:14.440 Native Americans would have described it. They described it as 2881 02:27:14.520 --> 02:27:19.959 this tall, lanky, almost zombie like creature that would be 2882 02:27:20.200 --> 02:27:24.159 so so have such a thirst and hunger that it 2883 02:27:24.159 --> 02:27:26.319 would eventually end up like eating its lips off. And 2884 02:27:26.360 --> 02:27:30.559 so basically it's described as this like tall, lanky, zombie 2885 02:27:30.680 --> 02:27:34.680 like creature. So the whole idea of the Windygo as 2886 02:27:34.680 --> 02:27:37.239 people describe it now, I think, was one of those 2887 02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:39.959 things where it was the same as like what the 2888 02:27:39.959 --> 02:27:43.680 settlers did as they came across renaming these Native American 2889 02:27:43.799 --> 02:27:46.920 like sacred grounds where you know, they would say like 2890 02:27:47.000 --> 02:27:49.239 this is whatever this location is, and they go, okay, 2891 02:27:49.239 --> 02:27:50.000 well it's pagan. 2892 02:27:50.399 --> 02:27:52.639 It looks like a teapot. Boom, is the devil's teapot. 2893 02:27:52.680 --> 02:27:53.719 That's what we're gonna call it now. 2894 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:56.920 So they end up putting this idea of what they 2895 02:27:56.959 --> 02:28:00.879 believe that demonic is on top of the already existing 2896 02:28:01.040 --> 02:28:06.319 Native American folklore. So they're describing this zombie like creature 2897 02:28:06.360 --> 02:28:09.239 to these settlers coming across, and as these settlers start 2898 02:28:09.360 --> 02:28:12.879 retelling these stories, they start adding their depictions of what 2899 02:28:12.920 --> 02:28:16.399 they believe is evil looking on it. So diving into 2900 02:28:16.559 --> 02:28:18.479 again the people that were coming over here were like 2901 02:28:18.520 --> 02:28:20.639 the Christians and you know, all the different people that 2902 02:28:20.680 --> 02:28:23.040 were more so in that faith based and not pagan 2903 02:28:23.079 --> 02:28:26.000 religion based, so they would demonize these things and again 2904 02:28:26.079 --> 02:28:28.200 call things like the devil's tea kettle, and just give 2905 02:28:28.239 --> 02:28:30.559 it this this dark connotation to it that kind of 2906 02:28:30.840 --> 02:28:34.000 is influenced by paganism. So as they were talking about 2907 02:28:34.000 --> 02:28:38.159 this essentially demon like creature, they started adding their flair 2908 02:28:38.280 --> 02:28:40.319 onto it, which got into you know, it has a 2909 02:28:40.360 --> 02:28:42.639 skull head and now it has this antler head, now 2910 02:28:42.639 --> 02:28:44.879 it has this, and it started kind of taking on 2911 02:28:45.000 --> 02:28:47.680 like the pagan viewpoint behind it, and the story ended 2912 02:28:47.760 --> 02:28:50.280 up getting mixed to a point where we got to 2913 02:28:50.319 --> 02:28:52.799 a point where it's like, does this thing even exist? 2914 02:28:52.840 --> 02:28:54.639 People haven't seen sightings of it. There are some people 2915 02:28:54.639 --> 02:28:57.040 that claim to see these things that are seen like this, 2916 02:28:57.120 --> 02:28:59.239 but I honestly think that's something else that's just taking 2917 02:28:59.280 --> 02:29:02.239 the image of something that you are already know, because 2918 02:29:02.559 --> 02:29:04.840 there's this whole other faction the phenomenon. Because when I 2919 02:29:04.879 --> 02:29:07.200 had my experience, I started researching into what this thing 2920 02:29:07.280 --> 02:29:09.200 was because what I saw was tall and lanky, and 2921 02:29:09.239 --> 02:29:11.000 again I'll get back into that story in a little bit, 2922 02:29:11.079 --> 02:29:16.200 but it was I'd always fall back into either one 2923 02:29:16.280 --> 02:29:19.920 the rake or the pale Crawler, and it seemed like 2924 02:29:20.040 --> 02:29:22.879 that was a more newer that was a more new 2925 02:29:22.920 --> 02:29:26.200 age thing that when the Windigo things started dropping off, 2926 02:29:26.280 --> 02:29:28.239 all of a sudden, people started reporting these things, and 2927 02:29:28.280 --> 02:29:30.639 the wind to Go stopped getting reported like that. So 2928 02:29:30.719 --> 02:29:32.959 I think it was one of those things that once 2929 02:29:32.959 --> 02:29:36.879 the folklore got mixed enough, people separated it, and then 2930 02:29:36.920 --> 02:29:39.159 they started seeing this being that was just already had 2931 02:29:39.200 --> 02:29:41.879 a name, was already described, and they had to give 2932 02:29:41.879 --> 02:29:43.959 it a new name because it didn't fit into the 2933 02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:46.680 viewpoint that that eventually turned into. So people started calling 2934 02:29:46.680 --> 02:29:49.319 it stuff like the rake or the pill crawler. And 2935 02:29:49.559 --> 02:29:51.840 I even think there's two sides even within that phenomenon 2936 02:29:53.159 --> 02:29:55.600 that there's the wind to go side to it, and 2937 02:29:55.639 --> 02:29:57.559 then there's this other thing that I was talking about 2938 02:29:57.559 --> 02:29:59.600 a little bit earlier in the show about this niche 2939 02:29:59.639 --> 02:30:03.280 of the these things living underground, and there's two sides 2940 02:30:03.280 --> 02:30:05.200 of the phenomenon where people will see these things near 2941 02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:09.159 like cave entrances, and they'll also see them near like 2942 02:30:09.920 --> 02:30:12.399 snowy wooded areas, which kind of goes more into like 2943 02:30:12.399 --> 02:30:15.239 the whole like windygo idea of things. But I think 2944 02:30:15.280 --> 02:30:17.959 that what people are calling pale crawlers and rakes are 2945 02:30:18.000 --> 02:30:21.760 actually Windygoes, but they didn't know the name, so he 2946 02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:24.360 created this new name on top of it. And then 2947 02:30:24.440 --> 02:30:28.040 as that name continued on, it started also getting mixed 2948 02:30:28.040 --> 02:30:31.719 in with cave dweller sightings, So then pale crawler wind 2949 02:30:31.719 --> 02:30:34.159 to go rake, like it's all consisting of essentially the 2950 02:30:34.159 --> 02:30:37.639 same thing, and it's just miscommunication within the culture. It's 2951 02:30:37.680 --> 02:30:39.719 like playing telephones, which you see when you start really 2952 02:30:39.799 --> 02:30:42.520 diving into these like ancient these like folklore creatures, is 2953 02:30:42.559 --> 02:30:45.520 that there's like this blending of you know, people that 2954 02:30:45.559 --> 02:30:47.520 are seeing these black dogs in like West Virginia. They 2955 02:30:47.559 --> 02:30:49.280 were people that were coming from like England. There are 2956 02:30:49.319 --> 02:30:51.639 people that are coming from Germany and they already had 2957 02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:54.440 these like Huntsman dog stories and these other black dog stories, 2958 02:30:54.479 --> 02:30:56.559 and all of a sudden, these things are following them there, 2959 02:30:56.920 --> 02:30:59.200 and it's like, are these things actually following them there? 2960 02:30:59.600 --> 02:31:02.159 Definitely possibility. I'm not going to deny the paranormal and stuff, 2961 02:31:02.200 --> 02:31:05.920 but you know, you have this combination where like folklore 2962 02:31:05.920 --> 02:31:09.600 starts getting blended between cultures and then it gets so 2963 02:31:09.639 --> 02:31:12.600 ascrewed from like what it originally was that now there's 2964 02:31:12.639 --> 02:31:15.559 this thing that was what people were seeing and they 2965 02:31:15.559 --> 02:31:18.159 start calling it something different because the folklore gets too 2966 02:31:18.520 --> 02:31:20.680 out there and blended because too many people are playing 2967 02:31:20.719 --> 02:31:23.639 telephone with it. And yeah, I definitely think that that's 2968 02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:27.479 what ended up happening with the Windigo, And like just 2969 02:31:27.479 --> 02:31:29.440 to get into some more explanation of these things and 2970 02:31:29.479 --> 02:31:32.239 why I said there, usually it's they're seen across cultures, 2971 02:31:32.280 --> 02:31:34.840 but generally stuff more towards the north. The whole thing 2972 02:31:34.840 --> 02:31:37.479 with the Wind to Go was that it was rotting flesh, 2973 02:31:37.799 --> 02:31:39.319 like you would end up becoming a wind to go 2974 02:31:40.040 --> 02:31:44.319 because you resorted to cannibalism during the winter, or for 2975 02:31:44.399 --> 02:31:46.600 example with the wachew gay. The thing with the witchew 2976 02:31:46.639 --> 02:31:48.719 gay was that it was when you had too much pride, 2977 02:31:49.000 --> 02:31:51.360 if you started thinking that you were better than everybody else, 2978 02:31:51.360 --> 02:31:54.159 then you would eventually turn into this monster. And with 2979 02:31:54.200 --> 02:31:56.760 the Native American stories, it's like, do you take it 2980 02:31:56.799 --> 02:31:59.000 literally or is it supposed to be metaphorical for something 2981 02:31:59.040 --> 02:32:02.319 that one you got to survive the winter, And maybe 2982 02:32:02.399 --> 02:32:04.280 it was another description of what they were trying to 2983 02:32:04.319 --> 02:32:07.879 describe as far as like you know, when people start 2984 02:32:07.879 --> 02:32:10.399 eating human flesh, like you start going crazy, Like you're 2985 02:32:10.399 --> 02:32:12.879 not supposed to eat your own species, because you even 2986 02:32:12.879 --> 02:32:14.920 see that with other species when you feed them the 2987 02:32:14.959 --> 02:32:20.799 same species. But like trying to describe something symbolically through 2988 02:32:20.840 --> 02:32:23.120 a story, but on the other side, again it's like 2989 02:32:23.159 --> 02:32:26.319 I had a weird sighting, Like we also reblending that 2990 02:32:26.360 --> 02:32:28.200 stuff in with them trying to tell stories or was 2991 02:32:28.280 --> 02:32:30.040 it a double faceted thing that they were like, we're 2992 02:32:30.040 --> 02:32:32.719 seeing this weird creature, but we're also going to add 2993 02:32:32.719 --> 02:32:34.879 this layer of a story to it to also warn 2994 02:32:34.959 --> 02:32:37.079 people against something that they need to be aware of. 2995 02:32:37.319 --> 02:32:39.159 Well, yeah, can I jump in here for a second 2996 02:32:39.200 --> 02:32:42.000 because I'm hearing you out, and I think that there 2997 02:32:42.120 --> 02:32:46.920 is something psychological to this, because it seems like, yeah, 2998 02:32:47.000 --> 02:32:49.600 it could be the human mind going crazy, but also 2999 02:32:50.040 --> 02:32:54.319 it could be a it could be a cautionary tale 3000 02:32:54.760 --> 02:32:59.680 of these long, harsh winters. And I think it really 3001 02:32:59.680 --> 02:33:02.280 does come down to those winters though, like these there 3002 02:33:02.319 --> 02:33:07.959 are these long, dark, cold winters. You know, this phenomenon 3003 02:33:08.000 --> 02:33:10.159 comes out of Canada from what I can tell, and 3004 02:33:10.200 --> 02:33:13.120 it's just waked colder up there, and the winters are 3005 02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:17.319 way more extreme. And these people didn't have houses like 3006 02:33:17.360 --> 02:33:19.879 we have today. They didn't have heat. They were they 3007 02:33:19.879 --> 02:33:22.840 were out in the woods, many of them. And you know, 3008 02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:27.280 you're cooped up and you're surrounded by winter. Everything's dead 3009 02:33:27.319 --> 02:33:30.920 around you. So and if you run out of food, 3010 02:33:31.159 --> 02:33:33.280 that's going to create a problem for you and everybody 3011 02:33:33.319 --> 02:33:35.959 around you, especially if you have a family. And like 3012 02:33:36.040 --> 02:33:39.719 in the case of like swift Runner, it's a famous 3013 02:33:39.760 --> 02:33:42.000 it's attributed to a wind to go, but he was 3014 02:33:42.040 --> 02:33:46.239 this Native American creed trapper guy in Alberta, Canada who 3015 02:33:46.760 --> 02:33:50.399 in the eighteen hundreds killed and started eating his family 3016 02:33:50.680 --> 02:33:55.440 while he was supposedly possessed by this demonic windigo spirit. 3017 02:33:55.680 --> 02:33:59.239 Was that a win to it too? They supposedly said 3018 02:33:59.239 --> 02:34:01.200 that there was also an establishment that he would have 3019 02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:05.319 been able to get supplies, like within a distance that 3020 02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:09.280 he could get to. So it's a matter of was 3021 02:34:09.319 --> 02:34:12.920 the guy possessed by something or like, was it literally 3022 02:34:12.959 --> 02:34:14.639 that resorted to it because he felt like he couldn't 3023 02:34:14.639 --> 02:34:16.040 get to it. But there's a lot of weird stuff 3024 02:34:16.040 --> 02:34:17.799 to that that there was literally like an outpost station 3025 02:34:18.040 --> 02:34:21.319 like within viable distance from where he was, even though 3026 02:34:21.319 --> 02:34:22.520 these act still ended up happening. 3027 02:34:22.600 --> 02:34:23.600 Just sorry, I didn't interrupted. 3028 02:34:23.680 --> 02:34:25.760 Just no, you know, that's perfect. I'm glad you added 3029 02:34:25.799 --> 02:34:27.760 that in because that's all. That adds a lot of 3030 02:34:27.920 --> 02:34:32.120 perspective to this. And I think that when you look 3031 02:34:32.159 --> 02:34:34.799 at this guy, he was also a master hunter. These 3032 02:34:34.799 --> 02:34:37.079 people knew how to live off the land. He's got 3033 02:34:37.079 --> 02:34:40.319 the outpost in nearby, like you're saying, and he can 3034 02:34:40.399 --> 02:34:43.600 also go out and catch some game if he needs to. 3035 02:34:43.920 --> 02:34:47.399 Why did he resort to eating his entire family? I 3036 02:34:47.440 --> 02:34:52.399 think maybe one kid survived. You look into it, there's something, 3037 02:34:52.600 --> 02:34:56.239 there's something dark to this. There's something more than just 3038 02:34:57.200 --> 02:34:59.559 going crazy out in the woods. Because it's winter time 3039 02:34:59.559 --> 02:35:02.799 there du seem to be influenced from some other, darker, 3040 02:35:03.879 --> 02:35:06.200 more ancient type of an intelligence. 3041 02:35:06.959 --> 02:35:08.479 I mean, you want to get real weird with it. 3042 02:35:08.520 --> 02:35:10.200 Man, We ended up doing an episode on all this 3043 02:35:10.200 --> 02:35:13.079 stuff on Bizarre Encounters at one point, and we even 3044 02:35:13.079 --> 02:35:15.239 throughout the theory of this and this is gonna sound ridiculous, 3045 02:35:15.280 --> 02:35:18.040 but I'll kind of get full circle with this, that 3046 02:35:18.280 --> 02:35:21.600 these windgo beings were actually starving giants during the winter, 3047 02:35:22.200 --> 02:35:24.360 and this is kind of how we came to this conclusion. 3048 02:35:24.399 --> 02:35:27.280 So everybody who's dived into like the Ancient America stuff, 3049 02:35:27.319 --> 02:35:29.680 it's like, the more research you do on it, it's 3050 02:35:29.680 --> 02:35:33.479 almost like these giant skeletons are you can't overlook them anymore, 3051 02:35:33.520 --> 02:35:35.360 Like they're there. It's one of those things that I 3052 02:35:35.399 --> 02:35:38.159 don't even question, Like there's so much to it and 3053 02:35:38.200 --> 02:35:40.959 there's so much backing to it that it's clearly this 3054 02:35:41.399 --> 02:35:44.399 cover up of history for whatever reason. I mean, I 3055 02:35:44.399 --> 02:35:46.600 don't know if it's some grand conspiracy or rather just 3056 02:35:46.639 --> 02:35:49.840 not wanting to change the history books, because these bigger 3057 02:35:49.840 --> 02:35:52.920 beings were existing here, but like the natives described them, 3058 02:35:52.959 --> 02:35:55.799 like everybody described these things. So we kind of came 3059 02:35:55.840 --> 02:35:57.959 to the conclusion of you have a bigger body or 3060 02:35:57.959 --> 02:36:00.680 a bigger species, you're obviously going to need to ingest 3061 02:36:00.760 --> 02:36:04.239 more to sustain yourself. So they usually describe these windygo 3062 02:36:04.319 --> 02:36:07.239 beings as being bigger like. They usually don't describe them 3063 02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:09.159 typically as like human size, which is where like the 3064 02:36:09.200 --> 02:36:11.680 tall lankiness kind of comes in. So you know, if 3065 02:36:11.680 --> 02:36:14.159 you're viewing it from that perspective, that these things could 3066 02:36:14.159 --> 02:36:16.360 have been the giants that were starving and they basically 3067 02:36:16.440 --> 02:36:19.040 would go crazy and would just eat anything that they 3068 02:36:19.040 --> 02:36:23.200 could possibly find as food definitely a possibility, and bring 3069 02:36:23.239 --> 02:36:25.719 in an extra step farther which gets a little bit 3070 02:36:25.799 --> 02:36:30.760 less into the more like tangible provable stuff currently you 3071 02:36:30.840 --> 02:36:33.319 get into all the nephilim theories that people have kind 3072 02:36:33.319 --> 02:36:36.520 of thrown in that these things were like you know, 3073 02:36:36.680 --> 02:36:41.360 essentially they ended up turning into disembodied beings which would 3074 02:36:41.360 --> 02:36:43.280 have inevitably turned into like kind of like what we 3075 02:36:43.360 --> 02:36:46.600 describe as like demons now, So like the Windgo spirit, 3076 02:36:46.680 --> 02:36:49.360 something being possessed by the Windygo spirit could have been. 3077 02:36:49.639 --> 02:36:50.479 Could it have been that. 3078 02:36:50.360 --> 02:36:53.040 These were giants that were starving during the winter and 3079 02:36:53.079 --> 02:36:56.239 when they died off that evil presence that would take 3080 02:36:56.280 --> 02:36:59.120 people over would be the fact that they were disembodied 3081 02:36:59.159 --> 02:37:02.920 like nephylum spirits or consciousness or whatever you want to 3082 02:37:02.920 --> 02:37:05.079 call him. So it's like two sides of the phenomenon. 3083 02:37:05.120 --> 02:37:07.040 That there was something physical happening, but on the other 3084 02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:10.399 side there could have definitely been something more on the 3085 02:37:10.440 --> 02:37:15.680 spiritual side or the currently unexplained side that I like something. 3086 02:37:16.840 --> 02:37:19.559 I like that because the more I've looked into this, 3087 02:37:20.079 --> 02:37:22.920 and like I say, I think Canada has a lot 3088 02:37:22.920 --> 02:37:24.840 of great folklore. I just want to add that in 3089 02:37:24.920 --> 02:37:27.120 because I think it gets overlooked by a lot of 3090 02:37:27.200 --> 02:37:31.079 US American podcasters, you know. So I don't know, I'm 3091 02:37:31.120 --> 02:37:33.680 not speaking for your show. I'm just talking about other shows. 3092 02:37:34.440 --> 02:37:37.319 I don't see a lot of emphasis being put on 3093 02:37:37.319 --> 02:37:39.360 the stuff that happens in Canada. But the stuff up 3094 02:37:39.360 --> 02:37:43.760 there is just wild. But I'm looking at this case. 3095 02:37:45.559 --> 02:37:48.000 Jack Fiddler is what I was thinking about. He's this 3096 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:51.360 Native American win to Go Hunter, and just the fact 3097 02:37:51.399 --> 02:37:54.719 that there's a wind to Go Hunter who it kind 3098 02:37:54.719 --> 02:37:57.239 of leads, lends some credence to this. He's up in 3099 02:37:57.280 --> 02:38:01.159 the boreal forests, and you know which is this? You know, 3100 02:38:01.479 --> 02:38:05.959 very ancient sacred strip of forestry that that encircles the 3101 02:38:05.959 --> 02:38:08.280 top of the globe, spans the top of the earth. 3102 02:38:08.360 --> 02:38:11.799 But he claimed to have defeated fourteen windigoes in his 3103 02:38:11.840 --> 02:38:15.159 lifetime because and some of them, he said, were sent 3104 02:38:15.239 --> 02:38:19.639 by enemy shaman so and some were like members of 3105 02:38:19.680 --> 02:38:22.920 his own village who were who were said to be 3106 02:38:23.000 --> 02:38:26.360 taken over, like visibly taken over, and and like on 3107 02:38:26.559 --> 02:38:28.479 at the drop of a hat, they went crazy, and 3108 02:38:28.520 --> 02:38:31.879 they started trying to eat like human flesh, and and 3109 02:38:32.000 --> 02:38:34.479 filler was was caught up in the in the mix 3110 02:38:34.520 --> 02:38:37.520 of this war. It seemed like with these ancient spirits, 3111 02:38:38.200 --> 02:38:41.000 and I don't know that just to me says that 3112 02:38:41.079 --> 02:38:45.079 maybe there's more to this than just like mental illness 3113 02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:47.559 gone awry, right, he. 3114 02:38:47.680 --> 02:38:49.760 And this might tie into like a good spot to 3115 02:38:49.799 --> 02:38:52.840 tell my experience, because there was definitely a physical component 3116 02:38:52.920 --> 02:38:56.479 and then there's this other spiritual component. And I'm very 3117 02:38:57.120 --> 02:38:59.879 logically thinking, like I dive into all of these weird topics, 3118 02:39:00.000 --> 02:39:02.399 but I'll make some outrageous claims, but I'll like do 3119 02:39:02.520 --> 02:39:05.079 this step by step of the information that I've had 3120 02:39:05.120 --> 02:39:06.879 that gets me to that point, because I have to 3121 02:39:06.920 --> 02:39:10.840 get to these ridiculous points sounding to people after first 3122 02:39:10.840 --> 02:39:13.559 having a step by step that scientifically like makes sense 3123 02:39:13.600 --> 02:39:17.360 to me, so like diving into like my experience. 3124 02:39:17.479 --> 02:39:19.760 So we used to do urban exploring. 3125 02:39:19.399 --> 02:39:23.000 At this place called Northfield Psychiatric Hospital, which is in Northfille, Michigan, 3126 02:39:23.639 --> 02:39:26.399 and we would go there like every weekend. I'm trying, 3127 02:39:26.399 --> 02:39:28.000 I'm trying to like I had some other weird stuff 3128 02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:29.479 that kind of happened in the process of it, but 3129 02:39:30.440 --> 02:39:32.000 I'm trying to condense it down a little bit. But 3130 02:39:32.079 --> 02:39:34.600 we used to go there almost every weekend. We got 3131 02:39:34.639 --> 02:39:36.079 to the point where we had this like whole place 3132 02:39:36.120 --> 02:39:38.639 like mapped out. It was like a campus. It wasn't 3133 02:39:38.680 --> 02:39:40.879 just one building, so there was like the main hospital, 3134 02:39:40.959 --> 02:39:44.120 there was like dormitories for boys girls like this school 3135 02:39:44.159 --> 02:39:50.000 and everything that was on there. And we would definitely, 3136 02:39:50.600 --> 02:39:52.680 you know, we got pictures of orbs and everything like that, 3137 02:39:52.760 --> 02:39:56.520 Like I mean, definitely could be dust, but still kind 3138 02:39:56.559 --> 02:39:58.200 of interesting all the same that there may have been 3139 02:39:58.239 --> 02:39:59.959 this like spiritual component to it, because a lot of 3140 02:40:00.000 --> 02:40:01.840 people talked about this place as it was haunted, but 3141 02:40:02.079 --> 02:40:05.479 we never really had any like crazy experiences like haunting wise, 3142 02:40:06.159 --> 02:40:09.280 so I didn't really put much back into that component 3143 02:40:09.319 --> 02:40:10.719 of it, but rather that it was just kind of 3144 02:40:10.719 --> 02:40:12.840 like an old building. But the only kind of paranormal 3145 02:40:12.920 --> 02:40:14.799 experience we really had was we were on a floor 3146 02:40:14.799 --> 02:40:16.760 that had none of the windows broken out, and this 3147 02:40:16.840 --> 02:40:19.239 random blue door with a giant smiley face on it 3148 02:40:19.319 --> 02:40:22.399 slam shut. And you can hear people running around in 3149 02:40:22.440 --> 02:40:24.840 a building that's abandoned, like everything's silent, so if anybody 3150 02:40:24.879 --> 02:40:26.200 was messing with us, we would have heard it because 3151 02:40:26.200 --> 02:40:27.879 the door. Second the door slam, we all froze, and 3152 02:40:27.920 --> 02:40:31.280 we're listening for anything that made noise. And right after 3153 02:40:31.319 --> 02:40:32.879 I opened the door and I left it just to 3154 02:40:32.879 --> 02:40:34.959 see if it would slam shut again somehow from like 3155 02:40:34.959 --> 02:40:36.959 a breeze or something like that. It never did. So 3156 02:40:37.440 --> 02:40:39.399 that was the only like weird paranormal thing like that, 3157 02:40:39.559 --> 02:40:44.280 but kind of building into this like mad experience I 3158 02:40:44.360 --> 02:40:47.840 ended up having at this place. This may tie in 3159 02:40:47.879 --> 02:40:50.079 with it. I always tell it as part of this 3160 02:40:50.799 --> 02:40:53.639 because I don't know if it does. But I guess 3161 02:40:53.680 --> 02:40:55.600 if I mentioned this part to the right person, maybe 3162 02:40:55.639 --> 02:40:58.719 it will end up connecting some dots. But being from Michigan, 3163 02:40:58.840 --> 02:41:01.280 like at least southern Michigan, like we don't we don't 3164 02:41:01.319 --> 02:41:03.079 have cougars, Like you don't see big cats or anything 3165 02:41:03.079 --> 02:41:05.799 like that around here. So behind this place there was 3166 02:41:05.799 --> 02:41:09.520 like this little little tiny area of like forests and trees, 3167 02:41:09.600 --> 02:41:12.680 not anything big, maybe like a quarter mile nothing ridiculous 3168 02:41:12.760 --> 02:41:15.159 or nothing. But we're up on the third story of 3169 02:41:15.200 --> 02:41:18.920 the building and we're looking down into like the courtyard 3170 02:41:18.920 --> 02:41:21.879 where like the back goes into like the forest and everything, 3171 02:41:22.440 --> 02:41:24.600 and we end up seeing this cougar that walks out 3172 02:41:24.639 --> 02:41:27.399 of the out of the forest line and basically looks 3173 02:41:27.399 --> 02:41:29.760 directly up at us, which seemed kind of weird for 3174 02:41:29.799 --> 02:41:31.440 a cougar to like look up at us on the 3175 02:41:31.440 --> 02:41:34.920 third floor, and then it just slank back into the 3176 02:41:34.959 --> 02:41:39.520 forest or into like the wooded area. So I was like, 3177 02:41:39.840 --> 02:41:42.280 I just saw cougar. Did anybody else see that? And 3178 02:41:43.319 --> 02:41:45.239 my girlfriend's friend that was with us was like, no, 3179 02:41:45.319 --> 02:41:47.159 I definitely saw that too. That was a big cat. 3180 02:41:47.239 --> 02:41:48.360 And that was the way that we had to like 3181 02:41:48.440 --> 02:41:50.040 leave to go out. So we ended up doing this 3182 02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:52.280 like two mile walk all the way around this area 3183 02:41:52.319 --> 02:41:53.879 because we didn't want to take the chance of like 3184 02:41:53.920 --> 02:41:55.959 going through those woods and you know, come and face 3185 02:41:56.000 --> 02:41:58.200 the face of this thing. But I ended up like 3186 02:41:58.239 --> 02:42:01.120 looking up sightings and stuff, and there was Cooper sightings 3187 02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:03.840 in Northfield just in that area, but nobody had ever 3188 02:42:03.879 --> 02:42:05.000 found a body, nobody. 3189 02:42:04.799 --> 02:42:05.959 Had ever found anything with it. 3190 02:42:06.000 --> 02:42:07.879 So it's just this weird thing that kind of fell 3191 02:42:07.920 --> 02:42:11.360 into like obscurity. But this is where it might kind 3192 02:42:11.360 --> 02:42:14.120 of tie in with everything. So we'd gotten to a 3193 02:42:14.120 --> 02:42:16.200 point where we'd been to this place so many times 3194 02:42:16.200 --> 02:42:18.200 that we had everything mapped out. It was like almost 3195 02:42:18.239 --> 02:42:19.520 a point where it was like, all right, we're kind 3196 02:42:19.520 --> 02:42:20.799 of getting bored of this place. We might have to 3197 02:42:20.799 --> 02:42:24.719 find some new place to go. But underneath is this 3198 02:42:24.920 --> 02:42:29.360 thing called the Northfield Tunnels. And actually Linda Godfrey wrote 3199 02:42:29.360 --> 02:42:31.799 about it in her like Weird Michigan book, These like 3200 02:42:31.840 --> 02:42:33.920 different murders at some point that had happened in these 3201 02:42:33.920 --> 02:42:36.479 tunnels and everything. But they're like this tunnel system that 3202 02:42:36.479 --> 02:42:39.600 completely connects under Northfield, like it goes way past the 3203 02:42:39.639 --> 02:42:41.639 hospital and everything else. And we hadn't really gone down 3204 02:42:41.639 --> 02:42:44.120 there because it's completely pitch black and we didn't want 3205 02:42:44.120 --> 02:42:46.079 to take a chance of like running out of batteries 3206 02:42:46.079 --> 02:42:48.440 in our flashlights anything like that and basically having to 3207 02:42:48.479 --> 02:42:50.440 scale the wall back for five miles if we just 3208 02:42:50.520 --> 02:42:54.479 kept walking down in this area. So one day we decided, 3209 02:42:54.479 --> 02:42:55.959 you know what, we're just gonna go in and just 3210 02:42:56.000 --> 02:42:57.360 kind of look around to check it out. We're not 3211 02:42:57.360 --> 02:42:58.920 gonna go too far in, We're just gonna see what's 3212 02:42:58.920 --> 02:43:03.559 going on down there. So at the main hospital, there's 3213 02:43:04.840 --> 02:43:07.920 you go into like the basement and it leads into 3214 02:43:07.959 --> 02:43:09.719 the tunnels because it was supposed to be a way 3215 02:43:09.799 --> 02:43:12.399 to like easily be able to like transfer patients during like, 3216 02:43:13.079 --> 02:43:14.719 you know, if there was some type of weather event 3217 02:43:14.799 --> 02:43:17.639 happening something like that. So it was just access tunnels 3218 02:43:17.639 --> 02:43:19.200 at that point where they could bring patients through them 3219 02:43:19.200 --> 02:43:21.959 potentially if they needed to. So we knew that there 3220 02:43:22.000 --> 02:43:23.680 was an entrance that would go into the tunnels from 3221 02:43:23.680 --> 02:43:27.360 down there. So it's me, my girlfriend, and one of 3222 02:43:27.360 --> 02:43:30.000 her friends and we end up going down the stairs 3223 02:43:30.000 --> 02:43:32.319 to go into the basement. And as we go down 3224 02:43:32.360 --> 02:43:35.440 into the basement, there's this brick wall to the right side, 3225 02:43:36.159 --> 02:43:39.440 and it wasn't a doorway like per se, but it 3226 02:43:39.479 --> 02:43:42.040 looked like somebody had like removed the bricks, not like 3227 02:43:42.280 --> 02:43:45.040 somebody kicked them out like somebody vandalizing the place, but 3228 02:43:45.079 --> 02:43:48.280 at some point like somebody had professionally like remove these 3229 02:43:48.280 --> 02:43:51.280 bricks to create like a little arch doorway right there, right. 3230 02:43:51.760 --> 02:43:53.680 So I'm like, oh, that looks interesting because normally we 3231 02:43:53.719 --> 02:43:55.120 came in from the other side, so we hadn't come 3232 02:43:55.159 --> 02:43:57.520 down the staircase before into this basement to peek around 3233 02:43:57.600 --> 02:44:02.319 or anything. So I go down into that area because 3234 02:44:02.319 --> 02:44:03.959 I'm coming down the stairs and this is to my right. 3235 02:44:04.319 --> 02:44:06.399 So I turn and I go into that room where 3236 02:44:06.440 --> 02:44:08.719 that doorway is. I take maybe a foot and a 3237 02:44:08.760 --> 02:44:11.600 half or so into that doorway. I have my flashlight 3238 02:44:11.639 --> 02:44:15.079 facing forward, and I hear this disembodied voice in my 3239 02:44:15.200 --> 02:44:19.600 right ear go row and as I hear run, I 3240 02:44:19.639 --> 02:44:23.399 look forward and there's this metal like the hospital carts, 3241 02:44:23.399 --> 02:44:25.719 like the little gurdy like metal hospital carts that sit 3242 02:44:25.760 --> 02:44:28.959 in there. And this thing goes to stand up, and 3243 02:44:29.159 --> 02:44:34.399 it was this tall, lanky, decrepit not human looking because 3244 02:44:34.440 --> 02:44:37.000 it's fore arms, its arms like, its body wasn't shaped 3245 02:44:37.040 --> 02:44:39.559 in proportion to like how a normal human body is shaped. 3246 02:44:39.959 --> 02:44:43.520 And it had this bluish gray like almost decaying looking 3247 02:44:43.600 --> 02:44:48.200 colored skin, and it had this greasy, black, lanky hair 3248 02:44:48.280 --> 02:44:50.479 on the top of its head. And I saw this 3249 02:44:50.520 --> 02:44:52.719 thing go to stand up, and I just see the 3250 02:44:52.719 --> 02:44:54.799 back of this thing, and as it's standing up, I 3251 02:44:54.840 --> 02:44:56.920 see it starting to crouch up, and I start realizing 3252 02:44:56.920 --> 02:44:59.120 that this thing doesn't have the normal shape of a person. 3253 02:44:59.120 --> 02:45:00.600 Because at first, you know you're gonna be like, oh, 3254 02:45:00.600 --> 02:45:03.200 it's a crackhead. You know, it's somebody that's homeless or 3255 02:45:03.200 --> 02:45:05.719 something down in the basement. But as soon as this 3256 02:45:05.760 --> 02:45:07.399 thing stood up and I saw the way that it 3257 02:45:07.440 --> 02:45:09.959 was shaped, it wasn't even like that insane moment of 3258 02:45:10.000 --> 02:45:12.159 fear where you start seeing something that's not there, Like 3259 02:45:12.200 --> 02:45:14.680 this thing was not shaped like a normal person. And 3260 02:45:14.719 --> 02:45:18.559 I've never seen somebody with decaying looking skin color or 3261 02:45:18.600 --> 02:45:22.879 this like falling out patchy, black, greasy hair, so I 3262 02:45:22.959 --> 02:45:24.840 see that back. I don't even see this thing's face. 3263 02:45:25.159 --> 02:45:27.239 I take off up the stairs with the two with 3264 02:45:27.319 --> 02:45:30.680 my girlfriend and her friend behind me, and they're like, well, 3265 02:45:30.719 --> 02:45:31.520 what what, what's happening? 3266 02:45:31.559 --> 02:45:31.959 What's happened? 3267 02:45:31.959 --> 02:45:33.600 And I just was basically like run, let's get out, 3268 02:45:33.680 --> 02:45:35.959 follow me, like no questions asked, Like I went into 3269 02:45:36.040 --> 02:45:38.920 like that mode where like my main focus was I 3270 02:45:38.920 --> 02:45:40.639 don't want to freak them out. I'm trying to get 3271 02:45:40.680 --> 02:45:42.319 them out of here without telling them, because as soon 3272 02:45:42.319 --> 02:45:44.280 as I tell them what I saw. They're either one 3273 02:45:44.360 --> 02:45:46.120 gonna freeze up and try to look back and see 3274 02:45:46.120 --> 02:45:48.520 if it's still there, or two you know, they're just 3275 02:45:48.600 --> 02:45:50.360 gonna freak out. So it was like the best scenario 3276 02:45:50.399 --> 02:45:52.000 was to get everybody out of the building before I 3277 02:45:52.040 --> 02:45:54.159 tell anybody what I had seen, So I knew the 3278 02:45:54.159 --> 02:45:55.920 direct path to get out of this place. So I 3279 02:45:55.959 --> 02:45:58.799 got them behind me were taken off. So with that, 3280 02:45:58.920 --> 02:46:02.760 knowing that she they had no contacts, my girlfriend, she's 3281 02:46:02.799 --> 02:46:05.319 a photographer, she ends up taking pictures behind us as 3282 02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:07.600 we're running out. She's not stopping to take them, she's 3283 02:46:07.639 --> 02:46:10.680 just taking them behind us. So we end up getting 3284 02:46:10.719 --> 02:46:13.319 back and I explained to her like what I had 3285 02:46:13.319 --> 02:46:16.840 seen and everything, and we end up looking back through 3286 02:46:16.840 --> 02:46:18.520 the pictures and I can send them to you actually 3287 02:46:18.559 --> 02:46:21.639 after we finish the show. But we basically got a 3288 02:46:21.680 --> 02:46:23.840 picture of the exact thing that I've seen. I saw, 3289 02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:26.719 But the weird part about it was it looked like 3290 02:46:26.760 --> 02:46:30.040 an apparition that in the picture it's transparent, like you 3291 02:46:30.040 --> 02:46:33.360 can see through it. And I have the completely original image, 3292 02:46:33.360 --> 02:46:34.959 and then I have an image that we lightened up 3293 02:46:35.000 --> 02:46:36.879 just so you can see it better. But you can 3294 02:46:36.920 --> 02:46:39.760 see the long black hair you can see the white 3295 02:46:40.239 --> 02:46:44.399 skin on its face, like it was this weird thing 3296 02:46:44.440 --> 02:46:46.799 where it was definitely something physical that I saw, but 3297 02:46:46.840 --> 02:46:50.000 there was these like non physical attributes, like the voice 3298 02:46:50.000 --> 02:46:51.440 in the side of my ear because there was nobody 3299 02:46:51.520 --> 02:46:53.639 there because I looked to that side before I looked 3300 02:46:53.639 --> 02:46:56.040 back at what was going on front me because I 3301 02:46:56.239 --> 02:47:01.200 caught movement with my eye. But it just didn't know 3302 02:47:01.280 --> 02:47:04.000 like where to like go with that information like forever, 3303 02:47:04.079 --> 02:47:06.360 because it was so just like out there. I didn't 3304 02:47:06.479 --> 02:47:09.319 know what to even do with that information. Like even 3305 02:47:09.360 --> 02:47:11.040 when I first started my show, like I didn't really 3306 02:47:11.040 --> 02:47:13.120 tell anybody about this experience because it was just so 3307 02:47:13.280 --> 02:47:16.680 out there that it was like I didn't want to 3308 02:47:16.719 --> 02:47:18.920 become a podcaster and started making these like oh I 3309 02:47:18.959 --> 02:47:21.360 have this crazy story. Yeah, the reason I got into 3310 02:47:21.399 --> 02:47:23.840 it was because I had this experience. But it wasn't 3311 02:47:23.920 --> 02:47:26.200 until I started doing later shows that I started kind 3312 02:47:26.239 --> 02:47:29.200 of bringing in more components to it. And like I said, 3313 02:47:29.200 --> 02:47:31.360 with my research, I kept coming back to like Windigo 3314 02:47:31.440 --> 02:47:35.040 even though it wasn't how it was visually described, And 3315 02:47:35.079 --> 02:47:37.000 then I kind of came to my own conclusions and 3316 02:47:37.040 --> 02:47:39.600 started kind of following this trail with the whole, like 3317 02:47:40.000 --> 02:47:43.559 bringing the paganism fact into everything. But as I started 3318 02:47:43.559 --> 02:47:45.399 doing shows and I started kind of hinting at it, 3319 02:47:46.000 --> 02:47:48.639 I had some other people bring up some other aspects 3320 02:47:48.680 --> 02:47:50.879 that I had overlooked that I hadn't really thought about. 3321 02:47:51.280 --> 02:47:53.200 And part of the wind Togo legend is that you're 3322 02:47:53.239 --> 02:47:55.840 not say, from the first snowfall to the last, so 3323 02:47:56.120 --> 02:47:59.360 they're out when it is cold because assumably these things 3324 02:47:59.360 --> 02:48:02.120 are like these king body flesh like they have to 3325 02:48:02.200 --> 02:48:04.959 keep themselves like preserved, Like they're not seen during the 3326 02:48:04.959 --> 02:48:07.200 summer because they be rotting in the human in the hot, 3327 02:48:07.520 --> 02:48:10.959 hot summer sun. So the other aspect of the folklore 3328 02:48:11.000 --> 02:48:13.440 that people have theorized is that these things go underground 3329 02:48:13.520 --> 02:48:15.879 during warmer months, or you know, they bury themselves under 3330 02:48:15.879 --> 02:48:18.000 ground during warmer months, or they go into caves or 3331 02:48:18.040 --> 02:48:20.719 something like that during warmer months. And this would have 3332 02:48:20.760 --> 02:48:25.159 happened in I believe spring, and the weird part was 3333 02:48:25.440 --> 02:48:28.559 connecting back into that folklore, which is why again I'm 3334 02:48:28.559 --> 02:48:30.440 not saying this is definitely what it was, but it's 3335 02:48:30.479 --> 02:48:33.280 what my research has definitely pointed to. You know, the 3336 02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:36.360 tunnels were like twenty thirty degrees colder than the surface 3337 02:48:36.559 --> 02:48:39.120 and going into those tunnels, it just gets colder as 3338 02:48:39.159 --> 02:48:42.639 you go in. So somebody pointed out, like it fits 3339 02:48:42.719 --> 02:48:45.239 the lore of these things that during the warmer months 3340 02:48:45.239 --> 02:48:47.600 they would be staying somewhere that is colder. So it 3341 02:48:47.840 --> 02:48:50.600 like they wouldn't have left that area though, because it's 3342 02:48:50.600 --> 02:48:51.639 like thirty degrees colder. 3343 02:48:51.680 --> 02:48:54.159 So it makes sense to see it down there. 3344 02:48:54.760 --> 02:48:57.639 And even the whole like spiritual aspect of these things, 3345 02:48:57.639 --> 02:49:03.440 where there's like this internal struggle that there's, according to 3346 02:49:03.479 --> 02:49:06.239 the folklore, this aspect that's still human inside these things, 3347 02:49:06.280 --> 02:49:09.120 while there's also like the monster that's inside these things. 3348 02:49:09.799 --> 02:49:11.959 And sometimes you can get to this moment where if 3349 02:49:12.000 --> 02:49:15.440 you know the being's name when it was human, it'll 3350 02:49:15.440 --> 02:49:18.399 freeze up and it'll have like humanity for a second 3351 02:49:18.440 --> 02:49:21.600 before whatever the dark being is inside of it will 3352 02:49:21.639 --> 02:49:26.239 like take back over. So justin actually from Cript to 3353 02:49:26.239 --> 02:49:27.959 the Corn a long time ago and mentioned the fact 3354 02:49:27.959 --> 02:49:30.920 that like, you know, I have Cherokee, Like my grandma's 3355 02:49:30.920 --> 02:49:33.840 one hundred percent Cherokee, I'm twenty five percent. So he 3356 02:49:33.920 --> 02:49:36.680 kind of theorized of was that disembodied voice that you 3357 02:49:36.799 --> 02:49:41.239 heard actually the human inside of this thing that was 3358 02:49:41.280 --> 02:49:43.440 trying to warn you to get away from it before 3359 02:49:43.639 --> 02:49:46.760 it couldn't control itself anymore. And it basically warned you 3360 02:49:46.799 --> 02:49:49.000 and talked to you, not necessarily because you're the first 3361 02:49:49.000 --> 02:49:51.760 to walk in the room, but because you share the 3362 02:49:51.799 --> 02:49:55.079 same ethnic blood. Is this thing that it didn't want 3363 02:49:55.440 --> 02:49:57.399 to hurt you? Because on the other side of it. 3364 02:49:57.799 --> 02:50:01.200 In Northville, there was two random deaths where somebody had 3365 02:50:01.239 --> 02:50:04.200 like fallen down the elevator shafts at one point. And 3366 02:50:04.520 --> 02:50:06.200 the weird part about it was, as many times as 3367 02:50:06.200 --> 02:50:09.000 I had been there, like the elevator doors, there's no 3368 02:50:09.040 --> 02:50:10.639 power to this place, but they weren't wide open. They 3369 02:50:10.639 --> 02:50:12.600 were like thin cracks, Like if anybody wanted to get 3370 02:50:12.600 --> 02:50:14.479 in those, they would have had to force themselves in it. 3371 02:50:14.879 --> 02:50:16.760 And like, I don't know why you would have done 3372 02:50:16.760 --> 02:50:18.719 that at that point, So then you know these things 3373 02:50:18.719 --> 02:50:20.799 were the people. Of course, you'd fall down and be 3374 02:50:20.799 --> 02:50:22.280 seeing at the bottom of this thing, and the bottom 3375 02:50:22.399 --> 02:50:25.440 enters out into the basement. So then I started questioning, like, 3376 02:50:26.040 --> 02:50:29.639 are these random deaths maybe linked to whatever this thing 3377 02:50:29.760 --> 02:50:32.360 was that I saw? And then as I'm starting to 3378 02:50:32.360 --> 02:50:34.760 connect all these dots, this is the last weird part 3379 02:50:34.760 --> 02:50:36.920 of the story, they end up tearing down this building. 3380 02:50:37.959 --> 02:50:40.559 So when it comes to weird stuff like this, I 3381 02:50:40.639 --> 02:50:44.559 wonder if like cities are aware they hear the stories 3382 02:50:45.120 --> 02:50:47.319 and either one they're just trying to stop the stories, 3383 02:50:47.399 --> 02:50:49.719 or two they know something's there. And it's that whole 3384 02:50:49.719 --> 02:50:52.879 concept of like, you know, the town at night will 3385 02:50:52.879 --> 02:50:54.799 get together to burn down the house of the monster, 3386 02:50:54.840 --> 02:50:56.319 and then the next morning they're all. 3387 02:50:56.159 --> 02:50:58.120 Like, oh, what happened to that house? 3388 02:50:58.120 --> 02:51:00.600 Nobody knows anything about it now, So it's like they're 3389 02:51:00.639 --> 02:51:03.600 aware of it, but they're just gonna pretend like, oh, yeah, 3390 02:51:03.600 --> 02:51:04.920 we just you know, we want to turn it into 3391 02:51:04.920 --> 02:51:07.520 a park, like there's nothing going on there. 3392 02:51:07.520 --> 02:51:08.239 What are you talking about? 3393 02:51:08.760 --> 02:51:12.799 You know? On the the aspect of paganism or spirituality, 3394 02:51:12.879 --> 02:51:16.440 I do want to throw in that the cougar aspect 3395 02:51:16.479 --> 02:51:19.719 of this story. Cougars are associated traditionally with shaman and 3396 02:51:19.760 --> 02:51:22.520 shape shifters. 3397 02:51:21.319 --> 02:51:24.040 And that's the other part that I was saying that 3398 02:51:24.120 --> 02:51:26.680 It's like I feel like it ties in because that's 3399 02:51:26.719 --> 02:51:29.920 not an animal that's in this region, especially not near 3400 02:51:29.959 --> 02:51:31.319 the Detroit area specifically. 3401 02:51:31.440 --> 02:51:33.920 Like this is weird, you know, like. 3402 02:51:34.159 --> 02:51:37.840 H and I also see I see your struggle with 3403 02:51:38.040 --> 02:51:39.319 do I call it a wind to go, or do 3404 02:51:39.360 --> 02:51:39.959 I not call it. 3405 02:51:39.879 --> 02:51:40.280 A wind to go? 3406 02:51:40.799 --> 02:51:45.959 And I also see why you've just went ahead and said, Okay, well, 3407 02:51:46.280 --> 02:51:48.239 for sake of a title, we'll just call it a 3408 02:51:48.280 --> 02:51:50.600 wind to go. That that makes sense too, because this 3409 02:51:50.680 --> 02:51:52.000 could very well be that. 3410 02:51:52.600 --> 02:51:55.120 And uh, you know, I like putting the asterisks just 3411 02:51:55.159 --> 02:51:58.079 because I am open to other ideas. But like I've 3412 02:51:58.120 --> 02:52:00.000 said a bunch of times, like that's where my recent 3413 02:52:00.079 --> 02:52:02.440 or just led. That's I'm not saying that's what it is. 3414 02:52:02.520 --> 02:52:05.399 I'm saying that that's that's the end that I keep 3415 02:52:05.440 --> 02:52:05.920 ending up at. 3416 02:52:06.600 --> 02:52:11.680 Yeah, And like for me with with my the study 3417 02:52:11.760 --> 02:52:14.319 I've done with this and what this crypt did, I 3418 02:52:14.360 --> 02:52:17.440 think that And this is just my opinion. I think 3419 02:52:17.479 --> 02:52:20.600 it's a spirit that waited for people to be at 3420 02:52:20.639 --> 02:52:23.680 their weakest. Of course, so that of course happens during 3421 02:52:23.760 --> 02:52:26.920 winter and when people were in the middle of that 3422 02:52:27.000 --> 02:52:32.959 dense winter, or they were very hungry and and sort 3423 02:52:32.959 --> 02:52:36.559 of I don't know, depleted from lack of sunlight, and 3424 02:52:36.600 --> 02:52:39.040 if they're venturing out for food, this thing will pounce, 3425 02:52:39.120 --> 02:52:45.040 it'll it'll jump into them, often disguising itself as hunger. 3426 02:52:45.639 --> 02:52:48.239 So you think you're just you think you're just going 3427 02:52:48.280 --> 02:52:51.920 crazy out of hunger. But that's this emotional trick that 3428 02:52:51.959 --> 02:52:55.079 this thing is playing on you see. 3429 02:52:55.079 --> 02:52:57.879 That seems like it almost could potentially tie back into 3430 02:52:58.719 --> 02:53:01.079 a little bit more biblical thing on this thing that. 3431 02:53:01.520 --> 02:53:04.399 You know I'm getting from these stories, so. 3432 02:53:04.840 --> 02:53:07.520 Like the giants and then they it's because what does 3433 02:53:07.520 --> 02:53:09.399 that sound like? It sounds like a demon. It sounds 3434 02:53:09.399 --> 02:53:11.799 like the disembodied beings, and it's not necessarily that they're 3435 02:53:11.799 --> 02:53:13.840 taking it over. But it's like the same thing with 3436 02:53:13.879 --> 02:53:16.719 schizophrenia almost that it's like there's a lot of people 3437 02:53:16.799 --> 02:53:19.040 that research it and say they come back to like, 3438 02:53:19.840 --> 02:53:21.760 there's a dark being that's attached to this, and this 3439 02:53:21.799 --> 02:53:24.200 is the explanation of what this is. So if you 3440 02:53:24.239 --> 02:53:26.360 have this dark being that's just whispering these things in 3441 02:53:26.399 --> 02:53:28.959 your ear, especially like you were saying during these harsh months, 3442 02:53:29.360 --> 02:53:32.040 it's a lot easier to influence these these people at 3443 02:53:32.079 --> 02:53:34.239 that point. So it's like, if you have this like, 3444 02:53:35.040 --> 02:53:36.799 for lack of better term, as much as I hate 3445 02:53:36.879 --> 02:53:39.479 using this term for things, but like demon whispering in 3446 02:53:39.520 --> 02:53:41.680 your ear, all once you're like, oh, yeah, you know, 3447 02:53:41.760 --> 02:53:44.399 your kid is being real irritating, like he just won't 3448 02:53:44.440 --> 02:53:47.000 give you five minutes alone. It would sure be good if 3449 02:53:47.000 --> 02:53:50.200 he just wasn't around anymore, but you're really hungry. So 3450 02:53:50.319 --> 02:53:53.000 I mean, two birds one stone. Like if you spend 3451 02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:56.399 your whole winter just stuck in this cabin or this 3452 02:53:56.719 --> 02:53:59.079 small loft with your family and you just kept hearing that, 3453 02:53:59.120 --> 02:54:02.520 it's almost like the shining concept, you know, like there's 3454 02:54:02.559 --> 02:54:08.879 eventually a point where even you know, the most wintered huntsman, 3455 02:54:09.159 --> 02:54:12.399 you know, like winter, the people are like there's a 3456 02:54:12.440 --> 02:54:15.399 snapping point eventually of when you keep having this like 3457 02:54:15.479 --> 02:54:19.079 whispering confrontation in your ear. Like I think that there's 3458 02:54:19.120 --> 02:54:22.760 like multiple components to it that, like, even within the 3459 02:54:22.840 --> 02:54:24.719 native view of it, I feel like it's something older 3460 02:54:24.760 --> 02:54:27.319 than that, where even the viewpoint that we're trying to 3461 02:54:27.319 --> 02:54:31.639 look at as the origin could still potentially be the 3462 02:54:31.639 --> 02:54:34.680 first generation of telephone, and we're in the second generation 3463 02:54:34.719 --> 02:54:37.760 of telephone, and it's actually even from like the origins 3464 02:54:37.760 --> 02:54:39.840 that we're looking at, it's still a mix of multiple 3465 02:54:39.840 --> 02:54:42.520 things that created this thing that we think is the origin, 3466 02:54:42.559 --> 02:54:44.120 but it actually goes back farther than that. 3467 02:54:44.520 --> 02:54:50.680 Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a commonality between your story 3468 02:54:50.760 --> 02:54:55.280 as well and these old stories from folklore and I 3469 02:54:55.319 --> 02:54:58.760 think what I gather from that, from just the thousand 3470 02:54:58.799 --> 02:55:01.399 foot view is that there's this is a spirit of 3471 02:55:01.479 --> 02:55:05.760 mayhem and destruction, and maybe that ties into with things 3472 02:55:05.840 --> 02:55:09.280 just get out of control with this spirit, like the 3473 02:55:09.319 --> 02:55:11.879 town that comes in and destroys the building because there's 3474 02:55:11.920 --> 02:55:15.639 two deaths. Maybe things just got so weird, like you're 3475 02:55:15.639 --> 02:55:19.840 seeing cougar's doors or slamming people are dying, you know, 3476 02:55:19.920 --> 02:55:25.000 with with in an elevator shaft. That's like, you know, 3477 02:55:25.040 --> 02:55:26.879 you could kind of tell what it is. You shouldn't 3478 02:55:26.920 --> 02:55:29.479 just be falling into that. And so these people come 3479 02:55:29.520 --> 02:55:32.559 in and tear down this building because it got out 3480 02:55:32.559 --> 02:55:36.680 of control, like like this Jack Fiddler story, It's like 3481 02:55:37.360 --> 02:55:40.360 it got so out of control that this wind to 3482 02:55:40.399 --> 02:55:43.440 go hunter rows up in opposition to this thing like 3483 02:55:43.520 --> 02:55:48.799 Batman versus Joker, Like you know, Joker exists because of Batman, right, 3484 02:55:48.840 --> 02:55:52.799 It's just an opposition thing or vice versa. So it's 3485 02:55:53.200 --> 02:55:55.600 and then you get back to the spiritual aspect of this, 3486 02:55:55.639 --> 02:55:57.879 where you have this shaman who has to come in 3487 02:55:57.959 --> 02:56:00.879 and deal with the spirits. I don't know, that's just 3488 02:56:00.920 --> 02:56:03.399 where my mind goes with this. I think that the 3489 02:56:03.440 --> 02:56:10.639 line between mythological spirits, and well, I'm not gonna say 3490 02:56:10.639 --> 02:56:14.000 that because I don't know. That's the best bar about 3491 02:56:14.000 --> 02:56:16.280 this is it's a mystery. But you see where my 3492 02:56:16.280 --> 02:56:17.159 head's going with this. 3493 02:56:17.200 --> 02:56:19.319 I mean, I'll even throw this in too. It's like 3494 02:56:19.360 --> 02:56:21.719 you always have these weird creature sightings or these weird 3495 02:56:21.719 --> 02:56:26.120 paranormal sightings or demonic attachment experiences that seem to happen 3496 02:56:26.200 --> 02:56:30.479 near these old, abandoned locations. And one thing that I've 3497 02:56:30.479 --> 02:56:32.840 often wondered is, like, you go into these places, and 3498 02:56:32.879 --> 02:56:34.879 what does everybody end up doing? They create all these 3499 02:56:34.879 --> 02:56:37.520 like sigils on the walls, you know, whether they're not 3500 02:56:37.559 --> 02:56:39.760 they're actually like people who are into the occulture, people 3501 02:56:39.760 --> 02:56:41.440 that are just like ha ha, I'm gonna put a 3502 02:56:41.440 --> 02:56:43.280 symbol on this ball because it's going to scare people, 3503 02:56:43.879 --> 02:56:46.360 Like I don't think people realize how much potential power 3504 02:56:46.479 --> 02:56:50.040 could be, like within symbols that like, you know, there 3505 02:56:50.079 --> 02:56:51.840 may have been nothing going on at this place, but 3506 02:56:52.440 --> 02:56:54.959 now you have projected thought on this place, so you 3507 02:56:55.040 --> 02:56:57.200 have like the what's what's the name? 3508 02:56:57.239 --> 02:56:59.200 What's that word? The goal? Not golm. 3509 02:56:59.440 --> 02:57:02.959 I always make this one up with the tulpa concept 3510 02:57:03.520 --> 02:57:06.399 on top of now you have these power symbols. 3511 02:57:06.000 --> 02:57:07.920 That are everywhere, even though they may not have. 3512 02:57:07.879 --> 02:57:10.719 Been intentionally created as power symbols, but they're existing within 3513 02:57:10.760 --> 02:57:13.719 this area. So it's like people that are vandalizing and 3514 02:57:13.760 --> 02:57:15.680 not knowing what symbols they're trying to putting on the 3515 02:57:15.719 --> 02:57:17.719 wall just because they're trying to be funnier. They don't 3516 02:57:17.760 --> 02:57:19.520 believe in the occult, and they're just putting these pagan 3517 02:57:19.559 --> 02:57:21.920 symbols all over the wall. They don't realize what they're doing, 3518 02:57:21.959 --> 02:57:26.360 and they're actually creating like gateways or opportunities for tulpas 3519 02:57:26.399 --> 02:57:28.639 to form with enough energy and thought, because it's like 3520 02:57:29.719 --> 02:57:31.840 there's all this energy and thought in this place being haunted, 3521 02:57:31.840 --> 02:57:36.319 so there's already this like fixated, thick, murky cloud of energy, 3522 02:57:36.760 --> 02:57:38.520 and then once you put a symbol on the wall, 3523 02:57:38.639 --> 02:57:41.840 it's now focused into a point or a place. So 3524 02:57:41.920 --> 02:57:44.920 it's like the whole Slenderman thing, you know, like it 3525 02:57:44.959 --> 02:57:47.120 seems like it's something that kind of connected into something 3526 02:57:47.159 --> 02:57:50.040 farther on, but like the whole Tulpa concept coming into 3527 02:57:50.120 --> 02:57:52.799 the idea of that that so many people projected energy 3528 02:57:52.799 --> 02:57:56.440 on it that it's almost like it created created something 3529 02:57:56.440 --> 02:57:58.559 there or on the other side, there was something already 3530 02:57:58.600 --> 02:58:01.239 existed there, and because that energy was already formed on there, 3531 02:58:01.680 --> 02:58:04.799 it basically took the image of that in order to 3532 02:58:04.840 --> 02:58:08.040 be able to still function and be able to harness 3533 02:58:08.079 --> 02:58:10.479 this energy or LOOSU or whatever it might be that 3534 02:58:10.520 --> 02:58:12.559 these things want from us. But it seems like no 3535 02:58:12.639 --> 02:58:14.280 matter what way you look at it, these things want 3536 02:58:14.360 --> 02:58:15.680 us in this dark state, and they want to be 3537 02:58:15.680 --> 02:58:18.399 in these heavy dark states. And anytime you have an 3538 02:58:18.440 --> 02:58:21.159 area where it has this air that's almost thick to 3539 02:58:21.159 --> 02:58:23.239 the point where you can like taste it or cut it, like, 3540 02:58:23.639 --> 02:58:25.760 I feel like it's inevitable that something is eventually going 3541 02:58:25.840 --> 02:58:28.440 to realize that that is like a giant buffet and 3542 02:58:28.639 --> 02:58:30.959 just take on full advantage of it, even if it 3543 02:58:31.040 --> 02:58:32.719 wasn't there in the first place. But it'll take the 3544 02:58:32.760 --> 02:58:36.040 image of whatever the urban legend is that people put 3545 02:58:36.040 --> 02:58:38.520 in that area. Because then it's like, anytime you think 3546 02:58:38.559 --> 02:58:40.920 about it, it's almost like you're like, I don't want 3547 02:58:40.959 --> 02:58:42.719 to say praying to this anybody in a way, like 3548 02:58:42.760 --> 02:58:44.879 praying to this entity or giving like respect to this entity. 3549 02:58:44.959 --> 02:58:46.920 So it's just collecting this and. 3550 02:58:47.239 --> 02:58:49.920 Yeah, and with this, with the symbols, it's like that's 3551 02:58:50.600 --> 02:58:54.000 with the esciduals. That's like a spiritual technology that it's 3552 02:58:54.079 --> 02:58:57.280 using to manifest itself, just like I think, like maybe 3553 02:58:57.319 --> 02:59:00.280 you mentioned Slenderman, like maybe what was happening they where 3554 02:59:01.239 --> 02:59:05.120 it's using the Internet not as a spiritual technology, but 3555 02:59:05.159 --> 02:59:09.200 as this electro magnetic technology that kind of runs between 3556 02:59:09.239 --> 02:59:12.799 dimensions perhaps, and it's using that to bridge the divide 3557 02:59:12.799 --> 02:59:15.360 between our world and their world. Because I think there 3558 02:59:15.399 --> 02:59:18.840 are things coming into our reality. I think the government 3559 02:59:18.920 --> 02:59:21.000 knows about it. I think the FBI when you hear 3560 02:59:21.079 --> 02:59:23.840 John Desusa talk about it, you know, he says that 3561 02:59:23.879 --> 02:59:27.520 he was dealing with cases in the FBI where somebody 3562 02:59:27.680 --> 02:59:32.399 was there one second on a trail and gone the next. 3563 02:59:33.440 --> 02:59:37.120 Everybody who was with them all but saw them disappear, 3564 02:59:37.639 --> 02:59:39.760 and it's like something came out of a portal, grabbed 3565 02:59:39.840 --> 02:59:42.479 this person and went back in, and they tied it 3566 02:59:42.479 --> 02:59:45.280 in with this missing four one one thing. So I 3567 02:59:45.360 --> 02:59:47.760 think they can come into our reality, and they're finding 3568 02:59:47.799 --> 02:59:52.600 new ways, including the Internet, to bridge the divide between worlds. 3569 02:59:52.639 --> 02:59:55.799 And I think the Internet might be the new sigual magic. 3570 02:59:57.120 --> 03:00:00.479 This computer might be the new scrying mirror, you know. 3571 03:00:01.520 --> 03:00:04.959 So I mean I definitely have thought about this a lot, 3572 03:00:05.040 --> 03:00:07.280 the whole aspect of like did we create the Internet 3573 03:00:07.399 --> 03:00:08.959 or was it rather that we just found a way 3574 03:00:09.000 --> 03:00:12.079 to tap into something that already existed, and in turn, 3575 03:00:12.120 --> 03:00:13.959 by tapping into it, these things that are on this 3576 03:00:14.040 --> 03:00:17.559 other side are making us think that we're creating something, 3577 03:00:17.559 --> 03:00:21.840 but really what we're doing is we're actually altering I 3578 03:00:21.879 --> 03:00:24.920 don't even necessarily want to say altering, but like we're 3579 03:00:24.959 --> 03:00:28.159 actually connecting our reality into their reality, and they're letting 3580 03:00:28.239 --> 03:00:31.079 us create this like bridgework, like almost like we're creating 3581 03:00:31.079 --> 03:00:33.360 this virtual reality that you can almost view as the bridge. 3582 03:00:33.399 --> 03:00:34.799 But right on the other side of the wall, if 3583 03:00:34.840 --> 03:00:37.559 we keep going further, is the complete opening of this 3584 03:00:37.600 --> 03:00:41.399 other reality. And you know, these things are still walking through, 3585 03:00:41.440 --> 03:00:43.319 you know the cracks in the wall that's happening there. 3586 03:00:43.360 --> 03:00:45.920 But like once we push to a certain point, you know, 3587 03:00:45.959 --> 03:00:48.159 we've essentially created this bridge between. 3588 03:00:47.840 --> 03:00:49.200 Their reality and all reality. 3589 03:00:49.760 --> 03:00:51.760 And I mean I kind of get into this theory 3590 03:00:51.760 --> 03:00:53.959 with like the whole DMT realm, Like is that the 3591 03:00:54.000 --> 03:00:56.319 Internet realm? But we're connecting into it from a different 3592 03:00:56.319 --> 03:01:00.319 perspective because people talk about these things being like almost 3593 03:01:00.319 --> 03:01:04.159 like futuristic or like interdimensional looking, and it's like, I 3594 03:01:04.200 --> 03:01:07.440 think that there's a good possibility that the Internet realm, 3595 03:01:07.479 --> 03:01:10.159 the DMT realm, the demonic realm, so to speak, are 3596 03:01:10.200 --> 03:01:12.879 all the same thing, just different names, and we don't 3597 03:01:12.920 --> 03:01:16.440 necessarily realize like what we're full on tapping into U 3598 03:01:16.639 --> 03:01:19.319 and this whole demons in the system concept is definitely 3599 03:01:20.520 --> 03:01:22.000 something that people got to put a little bit more 3600 03:01:22.079 --> 03:01:25.639 validity behind because you get like these chatbots into these 3601 03:01:25.680 --> 03:01:27.920 weird spots where you start asking these questions, they'll start 3602 03:01:27.920 --> 03:01:31.440 giving these like really weird, off colored dark answers. Then 3603 03:01:31.440 --> 03:01:33.280 all of a sudden it'll seem like, you know, like 3604 03:01:33.280 --> 03:01:35.120 a new representative sat down, and then all of a 3605 03:01:35.120 --> 03:01:37.799 sudden it's back to all the like robotic responses. Is 3606 03:01:37.840 --> 03:01:40.319 it like again, we're tapping into this intelligence and it's 3607 03:01:40.319 --> 03:01:43.159 just a matter of it's sitting back and like not 3608 03:01:43.360 --> 03:01:46.600 letting us realize like how far we are to actually 3609 03:01:46.639 --> 03:01:51.280 like breaking down that final dividing wall where now this reality, 3610 03:01:51.639 --> 03:01:55.040 this virtual reality so to speak, becomes the bridge to 3611 03:01:55.559 --> 03:01:57.159 whatever is on that other side. 3612 03:01:57.399 --> 03:01:59.680 If there's a spiritual realm, and I believe there is, 3613 03:01:59.760 --> 03:02:02.440 I think that they're going to use the Internet as 3614 03:02:02.520 --> 03:02:05.319 a template as a way to interface with us, and 3615 03:02:05.360 --> 03:02:08.399 I think it goes back to an older form of 3616 03:02:09.719 --> 03:02:13.200 metaphysical technology. I think it goes back to portals and dimensions. 3617 03:02:13.319 --> 03:02:16.120 Not to be the guide that always points to portals, 3618 03:02:16.120 --> 03:02:18.319 but I think there's something to that. I think going 3619 03:02:18.360 --> 03:02:20.040 back to this windo goo stuff. You know, there's a 3620 03:02:20.120 --> 03:02:23.040 Native legend that if you hear the sound of a 3621 03:02:23.159 --> 03:02:26.399 kettle being struck in the woods, it's the wind to 3622 03:02:26.479 --> 03:02:29.000 go and you need to get home as soon as possible. 3623 03:02:29.799 --> 03:02:32.440 And then in modern times, people in these missing four 3624 03:02:32.479 --> 03:02:37.200 one one cases report hearing a metallic kettle like bang 3625 03:02:37.399 --> 03:02:41.879 in the woods, like something that sound is like associated 3626 03:02:41.920 --> 03:02:45.840 with something perhaps coming into our dimensions. So I think 3627 03:02:45.920 --> 03:02:48.719 the old stories reflect the modern accounts in a lot 3628 03:02:48.760 --> 03:02:56.200 of ways. Names change, you know, slender Man, it's so 3629 03:02:56.559 --> 03:03:00.239 much like this nelusiphilea thing that the Native American talked 3630 03:03:00.280 --> 03:03:03.040 about in the eighteen hundreds. We've just changed the name, 3631 03:03:03.280 --> 03:03:05.760 and the times have changed, the surroundings have changed, you know. 3632 03:03:06.879 --> 03:03:09.239 So all the ancient gods they're all archetypes of the 3633 03:03:09.280 --> 03:03:11.280 same things. They all have the Sun God, they have 3634 03:03:11.319 --> 03:03:13.360 the God of love, they have this it's like and 3635 03:03:13.399 --> 03:03:15.559 then it also again fits into like the Fallen Nagel 3636 03:03:15.600 --> 03:03:18.680 paradigm where it's like I'm not saying one perspective is correct, 3637 03:03:18.680 --> 03:03:21.239 but I think that like all these different religions have 3638 03:03:21.280 --> 03:03:24.159 different perspectives of the same events, and we're just again 3639 03:03:24.920 --> 03:03:26.959 calling these things different names as they go through different 3640 03:03:26.959 --> 03:03:28.680 periods in time. And I mean you even see that 3641 03:03:28.719 --> 03:03:31.399 with like other things like UFOs all this stuff. It's 3642 03:03:31.440 --> 03:03:34.799 like the phenomenon changes and like adapts depending on the time. 3643 03:03:35.360 --> 03:03:37.920 And again it's the same thing, it's the same archetype. 3644 03:03:37.920 --> 03:03:40.440 But it's just a matter of these things clearly have 3645 03:03:40.520 --> 03:03:43.920 the ability to like alter reality or your perception, or 3646 03:03:44.639 --> 03:03:49.319 they will alter that what you're viewing in order to 3647 03:03:49.360 --> 03:03:51.440 make it so that maybe it's a little bit more 3648 03:03:53.559 --> 03:03:55.200 like you know what you're looking at, you know what 3649 03:03:55.239 --> 03:03:57.440 I mean, Like they're not gonna come at you. 3650 03:03:57.600 --> 03:04:00.159 On that note, On that note, with your story, what 3651 03:04:00.200 --> 03:04:02.520 did you think, because I always ask people this, like 3652 03:04:02.600 --> 03:04:07.360 deep down, when you saw that thing in that abandoned building, 3653 03:04:07.559 --> 03:04:10.959 what what did you think? What's instinctually what did you 3654 03:04:11.000 --> 03:04:12.680 think it was? Did you feel like you were dealing 3655 03:04:12.760 --> 03:04:14.079 with something ancient or what. 3656 03:04:15.440 --> 03:04:16.120 I felt like. 3657 03:04:18.440 --> 03:04:20.760 I don't even know how to describe it, Like I 3658 03:04:20.799 --> 03:04:22.959 definitely kicked into the matter of like I just need 3659 03:04:22.959 --> 03:04:24.719 to get out of here, and I don't necessarily know 3660 03:04:24.760 --> 03:04:27.399 if I put thought into that at that time. 3661 03:04:27.520 --> 03:04:30.840 But well, what if you go back to that, if 3662 03:04:30.879 --> 03:04:33.559 you if you travel back to the moment when that happened, 3663 03:04:34.239 --> 03:04:37.280 do you deserve a lingering feeling there that you could 3664 03:04:37.319 --> 03:04:41.760 tap into that? Because I think when we encounter these things. 3665 03:04:41.079 --> 03:04:45.319 It's a paranormal but the like, but it also seemed 3666 03:04:45.360 --> 03:04:47.239 physical like It's that's why I said, it's like a 3667 03:04:47.239 --> 03:04:51.520 hard feeling to describe because it's like it felt very paranormal, 3668 03:04:51.600 --> 03:04:55.239 but the thing that I saw was visually very physical. 3669 03:04:56.760 --> 03:04:59.000 So it's just this weird blending that's like herd. It's 3670 03:04:59.040 --> 03:05:00.799 hard to describe, you know. It's yeah, a lot of 3671 03:05:00.840 --> 03:05:03.040 like some of like the like the sash squat shop, 3672 03:05:03.079 --> 03:05:06.479 the people experience. Maybe it's just a lack of understanding 3673 03:05:06.520 --> 03:05:08.959 so you start bridging the gap in your mind with 3674 03:05:09.120 --> 03:05:12.120 these other theories on it. 3675 03:05:12.159 --> 03:05:13.639 But no, fair enough. 3676 03:05:13.680 --> 03:05:17.159 And I'm glad you said bigfoot because I've had bigfoot 3677 03:05:17.239 --> 03:05:20.959 experiences and I like you. I'll just say that I 3678 03:05:20.959 --> 03:05:23.079 don't know for sure that that's what they were, but 3679 03:05:23.120 --> 03:05:25.719 that's what I'm calling them. And I didn't know what 3680 03:05:25.760 --> 03:05:28.159 I was looking at, so I didn't have a huge 3681 03:05:28.200 --> 03:05:31.040 sense of fear for some of us. Some of them 3682 03:05:31.079 --> 03:05:35.040 were extremely scary. Basically, I just lived in this community 3683 03:05:35.040 --> 03:05:37.799 in North Carolina in the in the in the mountains, 3684 03:05:37.920 --> 03:05:40.520 and there was a lot of weird stuff happening. And 3685 03:05:40.680 --> 03:05:44.520 my girlfriend saw one out in the open. It crossed 3686 03:05:44.559 --> 03:05:46.799 out in front. She had a really long driveway and 3687 03:05:46.840 --> 03:05:48.840 it crossed right out in front of her car. So 3688 03:05:48.879 --> 03:05:50.719 she was scared to death. And she was a total 3689 03:05:50.760 --> 03:05:53.559 believer in Bigfoot, and I didn't have any thoughts on 3690 03:05:53.600 --> 03:05:55.719 it at that time. I didn't know what she saw, 3691 03:05:55.760 --> 03:05:57.920 but I knew she saw something because it scared her 3692 03:05:57.959 --> 03:06:01.639 to death. So and and I would go on to 3693 03:06:01.680 --> 03:06:05.520 have other encounters with whatever's happening in this area, and 3694 03:06:05.680 --> 03:06:11.799 sometimes I just didn't have a thought to be scared. 3695 03:06:12.239 --> 03:06:14.399 Other times I did. I don't know if that makes sense, 3696 03:06:14.520 --> 03:06:15.399 but no. 3697 03:06:15.440 --> 03:06:17.879 It does make sense because it's like again, I feel 3698 03:06:17.879 --> 03:06:20.079 like part of the fear either comes from one an 3699 03:06:20.079 --> 03:06:22.959 aspect of it being unknown, or two an aspect of 3700 03:06:23.879 --> 03:06:25.639 you thinking you know what it is, so in turn, 3701 03:06:25.719 --> 03:06:27.680 then you know to be afraid of it. It's kind 3702 03:06:27.680 --> 03:06:29.399 of like the chicken or the egg concept. It's like 3703 03:06:29.440 --> 03:06:31.559 which one comes first, Like they're both seem like they 3704 03:06:31.559 --> 03:06:32.879 could definitely be plausible. 3705 03:06:33.520 --> 03:06:36.920 Yeah, And at the time, I hadn't had I didn't 3706 03:06:36.920 --> 03:06:40.120 believe in Bigfoot at all. So I thought that I 3707 03:06:40.200 --> 03:06:43.319 believed in the paranormal because before we moved to this 3708 03:06:43.879 --> 03:06:46.040 place in the mountains, I did live in a house 3709 03:06:46.079 --> 03:06:50.959 that was all intensive purposes, haunted, very haunted. So I 3710 03:06:51.000 --> 03:06:53.399 did believe in the paranormal, and I believe that things 3711 03:06:53.479 --> 03:06:57.120 could take spirit for them. So I was a lot 3712 03:06:57.159 --> 03:07:01.479 of times I was attributing this to their normal because 3713 03:07:01.520 --> 03:07:04.719 I didn't believe in Bigfoot yet. So anyway, and I know, 3714 03:07:06.319 --> 03:07:07.719 thank you for telling your story, by the way, and 3715 03:07:07.760 --> 03:07:09.959 I know you mentioned Bigfoot. Did you want to get 3716 03:07:10.000 --> 03:07:10.840 into any of that. 3717 03:07:10.840 --> 03:07:12.879 Today, Uh, if you want. 3718 03:07:12.879 --> 03:07:15.280 Man, I always like having excuses to be able to 3719 03:07:15.399 --> 03:07:18.000 like interact into another podcast with someone because anybody it's 3720 03:07:18.000 --> 03:07:19.520 a podcast or you do these things, you have these 3721 03:07:19.520 --> 03:07:22.000 great conversations and then you like run out of stuff 3722 03:07:22.000 --> 03:07:23.879 to talk about and then you like lose touch for 3723 03:07:23.920 --> 03:07:25.680 a while. So I feel like it might be a 3724 03:07:25.719 --> 03:07:27.280 good spot that we can leave it and then we 3725 03:07:27.319 --> 03:07:29.399 already have something to get way into next time, because 3726 03:07:29.760 --> 03:07:32.120 I could go for another hour on Bigfoot Man. So yeah, 3727 03:07:32.159 --> 03:07:34.200 like we can do like a whole show just tackle 3728 03:07:34.440 --> 03:07:37.920 bigfoot stuff because I got some I haven't seen anything firsthand, 3729 03:07:37.920 --> 03:07:42.920 but I've definitely had bigfoot experiences, So okay. 3730 03:07:42.680 --> 03:07:43.920 We'll leave it all that stuff. 3731 03:07:44.079 --> 03:07:47.200 Yeah, we'll leave it as a cliffhanger, because it sounded 3732 03:07:47.239 --> 03:07:50.159 like you had a nice body of work on this subject, 3733 03:07:50.200 --> 03:07:52.120 like the way you were talking about it earlier. You 3734 03:07:52.120 --> 03:07:53.920 were alluding to it like you've got a lot of 3735 03:07:53.920 --> 03:07:55.719 stuff to say about bigfoot, and I know you do 3736 03:07:55.840 --> 03:07:57.799 because of your show, but it seems like you've got 3737 03:07:57.799 --> 03:08:01.399 some like new found in or something you're working with. 3738 03:08:01.559 --> 03:08:03.479 So let's just leave it as the cliffhanger and we'll 3739 03:08:03.479 --> 03:08:05.280 get in that on another episode. 3740 03:08:05.639 --> 03:08:07.600 Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. 3741 03:08:07.719 --> 03:08:10.159 Yeah, Well, did you want to touch on anything else 3742 03:08:10.159 --> 03:08:12.159 about your story? And thanks again for telling that. 3743 03:08:13.639 --> 03:08:16.120 I mean, I do have some other like more paranormal 3744 03:08:16.200 --> 03:08:17.799 stuff that kind of links into another thing that we 3745 03:08:17.840 --> 03:08:19.719 could possibly do a show about at some point, which 3746 03:08:19.799 --> 03:08:22.719 was like me having all these like sleep paralysis and 3747 03:08:22.840 --> 03:08:26.040 astral projection experiences when I was a kid, so I 3748 03:08:26.040 --> 03:08:28.760 mean even kind of time stuff back in that there 3749 03:08:28.799 --> 03:08:30.840 is an aspect of more phil that falls into like 3750 03:08:30.920 --> 03:08:33.239 that portion of my experiences, So that could be another 3751 03:08:33.239 --> 03:08:36.040 one that I can reconnect back into Northfield and come 3752 03:08:36.040 --> 03:08:37.959 full circle a little bit with that one next time too. 3753 03:08:38.000 --> 03:08:39.600 So there you go. There's two opportunities for two more 3754 03:08:39.600 --> 03:08:41.120 things we could dive into a tuner shows. 3755 03:08:41.639 --> 03:08:45.360 Okay, that's awesome, man, We'll just go ahead and wrap 3756 03:08:45.399 --> 03:08:48.399 it up. Shane, Thanks again for coming on and tell 3757 03:08:48.440 --> 03:08:49.680 everybody where they can find you. 3758 03:08:50.520 --> 03:08:53.680 So considering that I do two podcasts, Increase of Our 3759 03:08:53.719 --> 03:08:58.040 Reality is my solo show that's very interview based, covering 3760 03:08:58.079 --> 03:09:02.440 any French topic from you know, virtuality to conspiracies to 3761 03:09:02.600 --> 03:09:06.719 geopolitics to sasquatch and cryptids to UFOs to pretty much 3762 03:09:06.719 --> 03:09:08.239 anything that's open minded as a whole. 3763 03:09:08.840 --> 03:09:09.559 And then my other. 3764 03:09:09.440 --> 03:09:13.799 Show is Bizarre Encounters, which is primarily focusing on paranormal 3765 03:09:13.879 --> 03:09:16.200 cryptids UFOs, which I do with my co host Orne, 3766 03:09:16.239 --> 03:09:17.879 so that's a little bit more deep dive style, but 3767 03:09:17.920 --> 03:09:21.399 we do have some interviews mixed in and on top 3768 03:09:21.440 --> 03:09:24.440 of that, I also have a show called Bizarre Inquiries 3769 03:09:24.440 --> 03:09:26.920 that Orn and I do. It was like a short 3770 03:09:26.920 --> 03:09:29.319 form show, but that's about to be becoming a live 3771 03:09:29.479 --> 03:09:33.239 one hour Patreon monthly show or not Patreon YouTube monthly show. 3772 03:09:33.719 --> 03:09:35.440 So everybody wants to check out all three of the 3773 03:09:35.479 --> 03:09:38.159 different projects that I'm working on on top of another 3774 03:09:38.440 --> 03:09:41.159 big project that's coming out in well going to be 3775 03:09:41.159 --> 03:09:44.479 starting to be worked on in spring with Riley from 3776 03:09:44.479 --> 03:09:48.079 Midwest myth Thoughs, which we'll give more information on that 3777 03:09:48.120 --> 03:09:49.680 as week closer, because we don't want anybody to try 3778 03:09:49.719 --> 03:09:52.000 to us the punch on that one. But yeah, if 3779 03:09:52.000 --> 03:09:53.440 you guys want to check out all the different stuff 3780 03:09:53.440 --> 03:09:55.079 I'm working on, all the different stuff that I do, 3781 03:09:55.680 --> 03:09:57.479 you guys can go and check out Open Minds Media, 3782 03:09:57.520 --> 03:09:59.719 which is my production company that I kind of put 3783 03:09:59.719 --> 03:10:01.920 everything under to make it quick and easy. But if 3784 03:10:01.920 --> 03:10:03.559 you guys want to check that out, go and check 3785 03:10:03.600 --> 03:10:06.559 out h T t PS dot dot dot slash, you know, 3786 03:10:06.600 --> 03:10:10.079 the normal Internet shit, l A n K t R, 3787 03:10:10.280 --> 03:10:13.920 peerd E slash, open Underscore Minds Underscore Media, and you 3788 03:10:13.920 --> 03:10:15.639 guys will be able to find all the stuff that 3789 03:10:15.680 --> 03:10:17.000 I work on all under that one. 3790 03:10:17.280 --> 03:10:18.680 Weblink and tap. 3791 03:10:19.680 --> 03:10:21.799 All right, thanks again. I'll put all your stuff in 3792 03:10:21.840 --> 03:10:26.399 the description below and as always break the mold, conquer 3793 03:10:26.440 --> 03:10:28.520 the realm, and thanks for listening.