Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season three,
episode thirteen of Clips in Dip. We made it past
the heat wave.
Speaker 2: Our brains were not functioning well enough to come together
as a collective and talk about the Clippers.
Speaker 1: So thanks for rocking with us.
Speaker 2: I am Chuck Mockler, joined by Will Updyke and Adam Ausland.
We got some fun stuff today. If you're listening, thanks
for listening. If you're watching, thank you for watching. Throughout
the full experience. You can find us at YouTube dot
com Slash at Clippers Podcast. We got a bunch of
awesome fan questions to get to today. We're talking about
how this is James Harden's most leadership filled off season.
Then we're gonna talk to Pick and Roll, but before
we get into that, I think we have some Dips
to talk about as well too. Before we get into that.
I see we have all survived the heat wave. Will
how are you doing? And do you have anything you
learned in the heat wave that you'd like to share?
Could be about how to beat the heat, could be
about yourself. I feel like I was on like a
spiritual trek in a one hundred degree weather for a
week in.
Speaker 3: My brain terrible, terrible. I thinks are terrible.
Speaker 4: A good tip to beat the heat is watch Michael
Man's Heat in a movie theater during the hottest part
of the day, which Charles and I did, and he
was on a highlight on my weekend that second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Vista Theater is I think it still might
be showing it is showing heat. We watched it from
three to six thirty on Saturday, and again, I can't
think of a better way to beat that damn sign.
Speaker 4: Could stay at work a little bit later, which is
what I did yesterday. Not on purpose, mind you, but
it did get me out of the heat.
Speaker 2: Adam, how are you? How's your brain? How did you
deal with the heat wave?
Speaker 5: I mean it's probably a little fraud. I had trouble.
I got really thankful when I saw it was going
to be ninety or whatever it was the last couple
of days, and I think that's what I learned. I
am glad that we don't live in a place where
it's like this consistently year round. Sorry, Arizona, We're looking
at you.
Speaker 1: Shout out. Shout out to our Arizona listeners and our
buddy Pat who lives there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went to the Dodgers game on Monday and it
was I think we got below ninety in this eighth inning,
which I love the boys in blue, but that was
maybe one of the refrigas.
Speaker 1: They also got their ask king, did.
Speaker 5: You get like a frozen lemonade or ten of them?
Speaker 1: I drank three beers.
Speaker 5: That that's great for the heat, yeah.
Speaker 1: Really good for the deer. And then I think I
drank twelve gallons of water after I got hot. Ummm,
all right.
Speaker 2: We got some fantastic Clippers questions we got to get
into from our listeners. Thank you for sending these, as always,
they're fantastic. We got a couple of questions kind of
about blowing the team up, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of dealt with time.
Speaker 2: It's Will's Will's oscillating between blow it Updyke and it's
our year, which I was.
Speaker 3: The thing is you get the chip and then you
move on to the new era.
Speaker 1: You're skipping to get the chip.
Speaker 3: Part No, I'm saying you get the chip and then
on to the new era.
Speaker 5: You get the chip and then you dip. You just
get out there.
Speaker 2: You go early doing one year into it. So David
Hellman asks, if the team disappoints in the first half
of the season, do you expect the front office to
blow it up at the deadline. I think it's maybe
important to contextualize what blow it up means.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, so, what is that?
Speaker 2: Is it just trading Hardened and Kawai Because in my head,
that's the only way that blowing this team up.
Speaker 1: Which would satisfy that definition, which.
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, man, for a team that still
doesn't control their own draft picks, I don't know how
much you're not getting draft equity for those guys like
you're I mean, you might get some, but not enough
to like rebuild a team that's even that's even close
to where the Clippers are at right now, you know, So,
I I don't know. Like again, I think this is
like this is a retooling period like that they just
there isn't that assets or like I said, a big
thing is the control of your own pick to to
really incentivize any major major change. I don't know where
are you at with this, Adam.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying under no circumstances with the trade Kawhi Leonard,
but I was listening to a Clippers podcast earlier today,
it made me think about how he represents the first major, major,
big time free agent that they got and turning them
into a destination franchise.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying that possible.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, what are you getting? You're not like,
you're not that's no, you're not getting Like blow it up, ammo. I.
Speaker 5: I I just think the likelihood of them trading Kawhi
Leonard is extremely low. I know everything that happened with
Blake Griffin, and we thought at that time there was
no chance they'd trade him. But I think this is
a little bit different because Kawhi they drafted Blake, Kawhi
chose to come here. I don't know if you can
do that and then bring in other free agents and
not have them think in the back of their mind immediately, oh,
their cutthroat they could trade me at any time. I
don't think they can do it with Kawhi. Honestly, I'm
not saying it's totally out of question, because you never know.
But to Will's point, what do you get it like
the Godfather offer isn't coming for him anyways, so that
makes it even easier for them to justify why you
should keep him because he represents the first player that
shows the Clippers uh and they became a Destiny franchise
because because of him.
Speaker 4: I do want to contextualize one thing with the Blake
Griffin offer, like or with the Blake Griffin deal, I
think Detroit was in a position where they wanted a
star or like they wanted a name more so than
anyone else in the league. And I think they offered
the Clippers a deal that there's no way in hell
you say no to. But I don't think there was
anyone bidding to anything close the Pistons were offering for
Blake Griffin, considering you know how nice the draft picks
and everything would be. I don't think anyone was offering
anything close. And I think if you're on the other
end of the line from that deal, I think a
lot of I think you're saying yes, like I think
every most teams will say yes.
Speaker 5: They were opening up a new arena too at the time,
wasn't it Little Caesars just opening up then, so they
had all the reasons to have to bring in somebody
to be a draw.
Speaker 2: The thing with Kawhi, like we're talking about like the
Godfather offer, Like you're like, so his contract does theoretically
make him easier to move if they were to trade
Kawi Leonard because it's under the max or whatever. But
what team is a Kawhi Leonard away? That would give
us a ton of pit like because what's the hall?
Do you think one first round pick and like a
young guy and like it's not.
Speaker 5: I and probably somebody on a bad contract, right with
those two things.
Speaker 2: Like pairing him with PJ. Tucker to just have like
this zombie roster where I think the other thing that
people need to take into account is like you can't
just have a bare bones roster and be like, well,
our young guys are gonna get good. You have to
have pieces to help those guys get good, you know,
Like there's not like the Clippers are middling out right now,
which is better than bottoming out, especially if you're opening
a new arena, but they're not the offer they'd have
to trade both of them. And I don't think there's
a single Clippers fan who would be happy with whatever
return they got, a realistic return.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone.
Speaker 2: Would be like I felt good, we got two picks
for Harden and Kawhi two bad contracts and like a
young guy who might be good, and maybe we have
to get a new head coach.
Speaker 1: Because Tyler doesn't want to deal with this bullshit rightfully.
Speaker 5: So which you just described with a team saying we
can't just have young guys, we have to supplement some
vets around them. I think that's what Houston believe last offseason. Yeah,
which is why they brought in Dylan Brooks and Fred
Van Vliet to find out more about those other guys
if they're actually playing more competitive basketball, because now you
have some solid bets around them. By the way, Houston
is the one team that I think that some people
have reported might have some interest in making a run
at Kawhi Leonard, and you could talk me into it
a little bit, but I still think it's extremely unlikely.
Speaker 1: I think he says no too. I don't think wants
to go to play in Houston.
Speaker 5: He doesn't have a no trade clause though.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
Speaker 5: I think the only two guys that do are Lebron
and Bradley Beal. There might be one other.
Speaker 2: How about Bradley Beal's agent. Anxious clip fan basically asked
the same thing. They say, if the team underperforms, would
be viable to trade Kawhi and Harden for assets? Knowing
Balmer and given the new arena, would it be worth
the organization losing big names for a two to three
season rebuild. Should we expect a Teamman and Zoo led team. No,
I don't think we should expect a team man and
Zoo led team. That's not what they're built for. And
I don't mean that disrespectfully. They're not the star, you
know what I mean. And I don't think Balmer is
also a businessman. He's not doing three years of bullshit
at the nicest arena ever built, Because it would be
some bullshit if they traded Kawhi and James Harden away
from this team. If you don't like the roster, now,
imagine what the roster would look like without Kawhi and
James Harden.
Speaker 5: It would be one thing if they had a young
centerpiece type of draft pick, like if they had done
a trade for Scoot Henderson or something last season and
you bought him out that way while still having a
couple of guys next to him that are fan favorites.
But I don't see it either, given the new arena
that they could completely and Balmer has said we're not
ever going to completely bottom out. I tend to believe him,
and like it would take some real extraordinary circumstances for
that to change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not and again we're not. Besides, what
Will ascribes to believe is which that it is our year.
I don't think it is our year. I think anything
can happen.
Speaker 5: Will. Would you like to respond?
Speaker 3: The only god I believe in is this year is
Larry O'Brien.
Speaker 1: But it's just not like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: The roster isn't juicy enough to be like we'd really
be cooking with gas in three years if these draft
picks work out like we don't. Our best vet is Batoum,
who is not probably going to be in the NBA
in two or three years. Law Murray was posting some
pro Zuboys propaganda on Twitter today, which we're all fans of. Obviously,
Zoo has never had two twenty point games in a row.
She wanted to ask you for thank you for fact checking.
Speaker 4: Law Uh No, I just feel like people have brought
up this stat before and it's like, yeah, okay, you know,
like I I'm not saying this is what law was doing,
but I know I feel like a lot of people
have just spare a Zoo with this one point, and
it's kind of like.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sure, the guy who was fifth option, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Like within context, I just don't see how that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, it's the majority of the time he has
a twenty point game and they still start to forget
about him by the time the next game comes around
the first half. How many times do you get the
same minutes the next game that he got to get
to twenty?
Speaker 1: How many twenty point games do you think he has
next year?
Speaker 3: How many d you have last year?
Speaker 1: Let me check.
Speaker 5: Twenty that's what the predicture for this year. That would
be right, twenty twenty point games.
Speaker 2: He had forty oh, not forty four four. He had
four games from twenty to twenty nine points. I'm taking
the over. I would just take the over next year.
I think it's more than four.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be double digits, or I think this team
might be in some trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he if Zoo, how many games of ten
to night?
Speaker 4: How many games do we not have one of or
both Kawhi and Harden because basically that's how many twenty
point games you need to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those graphs will be like, yeah, I like that idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam, I could see twenty. I mean I think
it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 5: I'm not with that.
Speaker 3: I would love to see.
Speaker 5: I was kind of kidding just twenty for twenty. I
don't know. Maybe I'll say twelve. I'll say twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's more reasonable.
Speaker 1: Probably Adam's poking holes in his own clippership.
Speaker 3: I got thirty SECT receipts.
Speaker 5: Real thirty seconds ago right here.
Speaker 2: If you if he gets over twenty, we're gonna play
the clip of you saying he's not gonna get twenty.
Speaker 3: Never get he'll never buy twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be I hope it's over ten.
Speaker 5: It comes down to what Will just said. I don't
know how many games are Kawhi and James Harden playing,
especially Kawhi, because James Harden can really aid in Zoo
getting to twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, because no, no, no,
Harden does limit things a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if Harden plays seventy games in Kawhi plays fifty.
Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty twenty point games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, plus playoffs, right for include the playoffs.
Speaker 2: And well, and they're gonna win the season tournament, right
and I think they just might ask for extra games
just you know, iron sharpens.
Speaker 5: Iron can't be your year if you don't win the
n season tournament.
Speaker 1: Pro not wrong.
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, we should track zoos scoring when Kawhi is
out this year. We should do that more. All right, Now,
we got some random questions clips for show. Who do
you think will be the surprise performer of the season,
William Updyke, Who are you.
Speaker 4: Picking surprise performer of the season to fans or like
above their numbers.
Speaker 5: To casuals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to actuals.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think that's a good like Clippers fans who
are maybe like not as invested because they're not a
some do not think they are a contending team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then like Zubos could be the surprise performer
to them.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go non starters and well list of starters is Harden,
Terrence Man, which seems to be a controversial opinion some places,
Derek Jones, Junior Kawi, Leonard that meats other than those guys.
Speaker 5: I feel like you should be able to take Norm either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, no, I think Norman is fair if.
Speaker 5: You well, if you say twenty plus a game from Norman,
am I okay, that's surprise performance? Yeah well yeah, yeah,
eighteen plus whatever?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Who else is really gonna who else is going to
really really surprise me?
Speaker 1: Jay Tucker?
Speaker 3: But too, we're gonna find out he has even more
in the tank than we thought.
Speaker 1: He's a fan.
Speaker 2: They're clocking the nphs and he's the fastest guy on
the team. Erring game, Adam, who are you picking?
Speaker 1: Real? Sticking Nick with Tom.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with I'm gonna take a risk here.
I'm gonna go with Mobamba.
Speaker 1: I was gonna pick one of the random centers too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my guy's not random. He's a surprise performer.
Speaker 2: Sure, okay, and what a surprise from Obamba?
Speaker 5: Look like I'm gonna say he's getting eight and five
in a block.
Speaker 2: The blocks would be nice. And this is under a
normal percentage. This isn't anything where he's shooting so eight
and five that is His career average is seven and five.
Speaker 1: And a half.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but look at my god, what's his average is
the last four years three years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well so last year, four and four, year before that,
three and four year before that, seven and four.
Speaker 5: All right, I'll up it a little bit. I'll say
nine and.
Speaker 2: Five, nine and five for Mobamba off the bench, sign
me the hell up?
Speaker 5: And he shoots? Did I already make a prediction on
him from three? I feel like this happened? I said,
I think I said his career average thirty seven percent?
Speaker 1: Right, his gravage is thirty six percent.
Speaker 5: But thirty six point what one?
Speaker 3: Damn?
Speaker 1: I would round up if it was thirty six point five.
Speaker 5: All right, I'll say she was thirty seven percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like one and a half attempts a game
or something like that. Because he's kind of a he
could be a pick and pop guy. Yeah, pick and
pop in relation to what Mobamba is.
Speaker 5: Because a lot of people are down, very very down
on Mobomba right now, and I seem to be higher
than most. So I'm gonna I'm gonna pick him as
my guy.
Speaker 1: What else is news? Pacoli? So we got batom Bomba?
Speaker 3: What about Chris Dunn? I was?
Speaker 2: I feel like the freaks over at the lop of
the jam of the pod have been all over Chris
Done for the last like two years, and I think
they're right. I think he's gonna be very He's gonna
surprise people with what he brings off. I think people
kind of know he's good at defense, like he's a
guy where you kind of go defensive first. I think
his offense, his floater game is really good. Yeah, but
that like box score, isn't it jumping.
Speaker 3: Off the page.
Speaker 1: No, it's gotta be chunky for him to be a
surprise before it is.
Speaker 4: Like, it is kind of interesting though, and it will
be something to monitor. Obviously we've talked a lot about
the backup center position, but like, what is going on
with this guard rotation?
Speaker 3: I mean you.
Speaker 4: Because these pieces they make sense in like certain regards.
You know, I could see Norm and Chris Dunn together,
I could I could see that sort of working KPJ
and done maybe.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, Like it's just gonna be an It's gonna be
an interesting thing to monitor as this has once again
become an Olive Garden team.
Speaker 5: Because even if you think that Bones Highland doesn't have
a chance on this roster and won't be on the
roster even if you take him out, Yeah, oh, still
a lot.
Speaker 3: I can't play.
Speaker 1: I'm operating under the assumption that he will not be.
Speaker 5: Playing norm KPJ and Chris Dunn on the floor at once.
I don't think it's gonna be successful.
Speaker 4: I don't we're gonna see it though, Are we not
going to see it?
Speaker 6: We're gonna talk are we not going to see it?
We saw John wall Luke, but that why not?
Speaker 5: Like minutes t lu did at some point say it
playing guards was in effect like he did. It wasn't
me a Oprah or anything, but he did admit that,
you know, he was trying to get guys minutes. He
was trying to make it work, but it couldn't work.
I'm hoping that was a lesson learned about playing too
many guards.
Speaker 2: I hope that we have learned it because we do
have a lot of guards and we are going to
talk about kind of some KPJ stuff for the next time.
And just in terms of how he fits with maybe
the lack of shooting in the pick and roll. Ryan
Snelling with a question, I'm surprised it took him this
long to ask. Cutest Clipper update with Paul George off
the team was what.
Speaker 3: George the previous reigning cute Clipper.
Speaker 1: I think for Ryan Snelling he may have been.
Speaker 4: I mean I think I definitely did one year. I
don't know if it was every year it.
Speaker 1: Was every year.
Speaker 5: I didn't know there was the cutest Clipper update period,
So this is an update to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ryan Snelling always asked this. People want to know this.
The answer is, I'm going Kauai all the time.
Speaker 5: But I think he's adorable because of his personality and
every thing. And he's good looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go kai Jones.
Speaker 5: Oh Ki Jones has some model looks. The red carpet
the into it though. Kai Jones a good looking guy.
Speaker 2: Kai Jones is going to show up and maybe playing
a game in those Oakley over the top sunglasses.
Speaker 1: I just get that.
Speaker 2: Vibe, you know the ones I'm talking about that go
the old school Oakleys that they made for like sprinters.
I think Kai Jones is gonna play in those at
some point. Will who is your pick? And Ryan Snelling
tweeted us who your pick is?
Speaker 1: Coward?
Speaker 4: I'm going James Harden And again it's because of the
whole package, like the outfits. I still think I might
have like a GQ James Harden spread from like I
don't six years ago.
Speaker 3: Probably, yeah, it's hardened for me.
Speaker 1: Good pick.
Speaker 2: And I also always think about the best joke from
Abbitt Elementary, which was Quinton Brunson dressing up as James
Harden for Halloween.
Speaker 3: He's I mean, he's just got an iconic looking like
he is. He is.
Speaker 4: Probably he's one of the few who actually like pulls
it off. There's like a lot of you know, kind
of wild wild dressing in the NBA, which I support.
I support all fashion xations, I support yeah, Risk, I
support taking big swings. I feel like he's one of
the few. It's like him and Shay who are like
pretty like really the hit ray is very high.
Speaker 1: They have good stylists shout out to him styling them.
Speaker 5: I know it's not his nickname, but he looks more
like a King James than Lebron with the beard.
Speaker 1: He's shorter, he's a little stock here.
Speaker 3: You're saying Lebron is a fraud king.
Speaker 5: False king, just like just like Lakers fans spray paint
when he came to town first, false King.
Speaker 2: If you really want to trigger uh a fan of
that team, just say, I mean, personally I think he's
the greatest liker of all time. He brought him a
trip during during COVID, I've gotten a bottle thrown at
my head. I'm saying that before all right that, Oh wait,
there's one more question from someone named muck Chockler, who
asked should the Clippers make a move for Robert Williams.
Ryan Windhors tweeted out or I think he just said
this on a show. A guy to watch who is
very tradable is the time Lord, one of the greatest
nicknames in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Coming off of injury, He's a guy who's had repeated
injury problems. But he makes thirteen million. They may be
willing to part with him, and he can go to
a contender and be a significant piece if he's healthy.
All that last part to me says he's not going
to a contender because I don't think they'd want to
bank on him being healthy.
Speaker 3: Thirteen million, will you take PJ. Tuncker and some in.
Speaker 2: And out, let's do it. Yeah we have, and now
it's like actually tradable. So it's like we're team reclamation.
Let's add another like I'm with it.
Speaker 4: If he's happy, like if he's happy in eventual and yeah,
I mean I like, I think that's a great backup option.
I think with the injury history right now and already
having to beat the Zoobots, you know, a starting position
is not in the cards.
Speaker 5: I guess what you'd sell Portland on is Pegs out
from under this contract after this year, and Robert Williams
is still under contract for another thirty million next year,
and that would be the only incentive. I could see
him doing the trade. But it's it's not a terrible one.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean it's better than a guy who.
Speaker 3: Like well, I think it's just yeah, I just wonder
what the offers are. I suppose.
Speaker 5: I wonder if Boston comes back at him because they're losing.
Speaker 1: Al Horford right, Oh are they think?
Speaker 5: Isn't he retiring? I thought he now crazy?
Speaker 2: He's done though, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Not dead. Wait.
Speaker 5: Al Horford's sister Debunk's retirement rumors ahead of season could
be wrong.
Speaker 3: Adam always bringing on the spot.
Speaker 5: I was on NBA Central instead of Central again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, WHOA, this is crazy?
Speaker 3: Uncle Adam is an uncle on Facebook.
Speaker 2: If we trained for Rober Williams and you might need
some of our cats. I don't know what's going on, man,
it's just bullshit, all right. Thank you for the questions,
especially from UK Choker. That was a really good question.
Is that you yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Coming.
Speaker 3: I was if someone was trolling you and took that name,
or if.
Speaker 1: It was just you just me trolling myself.
Speaker 3: I was worried maybe you have like a superstocker.
Speaker 1: No, we we're excited for you that I would not
be hyped. They're like, well, what went to your work,
didn't see you. I'd be like, wow, let's game it
that way.
Speaker 3: What if they were just giving you the gifts cash gifts?
Speaker 1: Wait, cash gifts.
Speaker 2: If I walked into my house and there was just
cash lying there with a note that said for you
with a smiley face, and I texted the six people
who I have access to getting into my house and
they all said that wasn't from me, I'd be like, okay.
Speaker 4: What if it's like a you wake up and there's
a picture of yourself sleeping and you're like, oh my god,
and then you look under your pillow they left some
cash there too.
Speaker 3: How much cash? I don't know, five hundred bucks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they took a thousand Hey.
Speaker 2: I don't have a thousand bucks to take five hundred
cash and twenties. Yeh, I'd be hyped one hundred dollars bills.
I'm like, what am I gonna do with these?
Speaker 3: I know you can't. You can't really break those at
the liquor store anymore.
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna go to the taco stand. You, I
don't know.
Speaker 5: I wants to watch me sleep? There's a price if.
Speaker 2: Anyone wants to watch me sleep. It's five hundred bucks
cash in twenties. Coming up, we're gonna be talking James
Harden's leadership, a quality that everyone talks about how great
it is with James Harden, but it seems to be
on display even more so right now. But first, if
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Speaker 4: Three two what all right? Welcome back in two clips?
And did we took your fabulous questions. In this first segment,
we're going to talk a little bit about James Harden
now and it's time to shake the State month. I
feel like I'm tired of the hearing the same thing
over and over again. You know, he quits on franchises,
he's a bad teammate, YadA, YadA. I've already defended him
and this narrative on this show. I think the move
out of Houston made a lot of sense. I think
the move out of Brooklyn made even more sense. I
think the move out of Philly was imminent and also
kind of made some sense and also made quite a
bit of sense. So you know where I'm at on this.
But it seems like, whether he's conscious of this or not,
James Harden is becoming one of the best leaders on
this squad. Looking at a looking at this offseason so far,
would you would you agree, Charles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got him.
Speaker 2: He's been taking guys with the Rico Hines runs with
like literally every young guy. Right now, they're all down
at ASU doing like a James Harden mini camp. They're
playing softball. Terrence Man was on the losing team, which
I'm not sure how that affects his standing in the
starting Lineup's.
Speaker 5: Tyler's focused on basketball, not baseball.
Speaker 3: That's true. The winners are now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what have you guys been doing? Why are you
so good at this sport that you don't get paid for?
Speaker 1: You're working on your your exit velo.
Speaker 2: I think this is like this, like people have been
clamoring during this two pine three era for a leader
quote unquote whatever they think that means. I think Kwhi
Leonard is a leader in his very own special way
with directly with coworkers who he works for. I think
he's a leader. He's not a guy who's a raw
raw in public obviously. I think James Harden is the
like the I think he's filling that gap that people
wanted the fact that it's just like every young guy
in these things too, you know what I mean. It's
not just like him Terrence Zo or something like that.
It's all of the young guy mom was there.
Speaker 4: And you know this isn't new, Like we've heard this
since he started. He was, you know for guys who
wanted to post practice, they were working on the pick
and roll. We know how like instrumental he was and
like helping Zoo get acclimated and they could they could
work together. We know that some of the young guards
worked with him before, like, and this was when he
came here, you know. You know, he could have left
after the season, you know, when things didn't pan out.
He could have left, you know, when Paul George was gone.
So yeah, I think that this is I like your
conclusion though, that people have been sort of clamoring for
this voice for a while, and maybe this is the guy.
Speaker 5: I like what you said earlier. Will His last two
moves are completely defensible. He wants to get away from
an unreliable player in Kyrie Irving. He wants to get
away from a guy who probably lied to him. I
think everybody feels like, yeah, they probably did offer him.
Speaker 3: That and threw him under the bus.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, there's no way he would have taken less
for the team if there wasn't something else coming in
the next contract and then it didn't appair for him.
So I some of it is a false narrative regarding
James Harden and some of the heat that he takes.
I like what I'm seeing at a thirty five year
old James Harden, the way he's starting to lead. Now
it's just a maturity thing. And if you love where
you work, I think that's very meaningful. I think that
certainly brings out the best in people. He has wanted
to be here in so cal I think for a
while now he is. He took a contract that was
completely team friendly with the one plus one on seventy
million dollars. Nobody thought that was going to happen. We
all thought he'd be here for three more years. I'm
good with it. I like everything we've seen from James
Harden the Clippers uniform so far, including this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the full off season which I know something will
you bring up like? That's huge for him and the
team actual off season time. Thanks Darryl Moray for last
year making PJ. Tucker go through the hardest transition of anybody.
Speaker 5: He lied to him.
Speaker 1: He lied to him, bro, But yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: I hope you get a terrible eye stream from looking
at a bunch of numbers.
Speaker 3: You hope you get your spreadsheets. I hope you hope
you have to wear two pairs of readers.
Speaker 2: I hope you're right as flares up. Yeah, shout out
to leader James Harden. And now we want to I
want to talk about. So we were talking about the
pick and roll earlier, and the Clippers shooting currently as
it stands, makes the pick and roll a little I love?
Speaker 3: Can we the editorial note? Uh? I love?
Speaker 4: I love that you bring that you that you bring
this stuff in your off season.
Speaker 3: I have to that's this isn't a criticism. I'm saying
I love it.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, So.
Speaker 3: It gets me hyped, gets me hyped for the season.
Speaker 1: Dude, I need real just to let I need real
basketball so.
Speaker 3: Bad, I know. I mean, we only have theoretical right now.
So I love it. Leat us in. Sorry, I didn't
mean you're fine.
Speaker 2: I'm just losing it. I love my Dolphins, obviously, but
I need I need Clippers basketball back. The Clippers were
top ten in points per possession in the pick and
roll last season. Oh yes, thanks shout out James Harden,
shout out zoo. They were ranked twentieth in pick and
roll frequency, which I think that goes up next year,
would be my guess.
Speaker 5: I wonder where what they were at frequency was during
the thirty one game stretch where they went twenty six
and five.
Speaker 1: Oh I wonder.
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's a way to do that parameter wise
on NBA dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were they just find the dates and then
look up.
Speaker 4: The Yeah, I'm guessing it was fine screen share through this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's if you're on if you're on video.
Speaker 3: You don't want to miss this content.
Speaker 1: Dude having the that's the worst.
Speaker 2: But so I think they're gonna go up in frequency,
especially if Zoo's gonna hit one hundred and forty games
of twenty points.
Speaker 1: But there's like, so the starting five, there's not.
Speaker 2: Like shooters that are exactly you know, like, don't sag
off these guys or we're screwed, right, Because if you
look at the starting five, Harden is the best shooter,
but he's running the pick and roll. There's Kawhi, there's Terrence,
and then there's Derek Jones Junior, who's very much TBD
on what his outside if his outside shooting is going
to command you know, the the don't don't step off
them at all on the you know, off the three
point line. So I think Zoo's decision making is gonna
have to be even more on point next season because
I don't think he's gonna have open guys the corners
because he can find him off the short role sometimes,
but I don't think it's gonna be that sweet to
start the year. They're gonna make Terrence and Derek Jones
prove that. You have to stay on them in the
pick and role. I think so we need James Harden
to be at his absolute best, and we need those
guys to kind of shoot better than.
Speaker 1: They ever have.
Speaker 5: I think Terrence Man just needs to shoot period. If
he shoots, if he doesn't hesitate, if he stays with
that level of confidence we saw in twenty twenty four
was the calendar flip. I think he's gonna be okay
because the numbers say he is a good three point
shooter overall in his career. He just has to take
them and have confidence in his shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Derek Jones Junior, I'm more concerned about him because he
had no lot stretch during the playoffs and that's not
who he has been throughout his entire career. You can
say he's trending the right way at the right time,
considering he's only twenty seven, and maybe some of that
stuff carries over from last year in the playoffs, but
then again, he was really bad in the NBA Finals.
So overall, he shot thirty seven percent in that playoff run,
but then he was bad in the NBA Finals. I
don't want that part to carry over, you know. I
don't know. I don't know who he is yet as
a three point shooter and who he can be. I
feel like we have a better handle on Terrence Man
in that area.
Speaker 2: And do you think Terrence is going to be the
we can't tag off him or do you think teams
are going to make improve that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: I think they're going to make improve it because he
ended up. What if you just look at you know,
thirty five percent last season, they're going to say, Okay,
that's below the league average. They're probably not looking at
the forty four percent he shot in twenty twenty four
and it's still on low volume overall. So I think
they're going to make improve it.
Speaker 2: And that does also if everyone's sticking, that means zoos
at one on one, which does vode pretty well for
the points per possession stats.
Speaker 4: Cash Well and like at this stage of his career,
how much and how often is hard and able to
create for himself off the drible, Well, he's gonna have to,
you know, like he's gonna be in a higher scoring Uh,
he's gonna need to be in sort of a higher
scoring scoring type of position than he has been for
the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 5: He did end up as one of the best point
per possession guys in isolation last year. I think he
was the best as a guard.
Speaker 1: Clippers killed at Kawhi was obvious, incredible and Io too.
Speaker 5: I want to say James Harden was near the very
top and points per possession in isolation plays last season.
I don't have the data to back it up currently,
but I swear it's the case, Like I surprised by
it because he is.
Speaker 1: Older now source I swear so it's.
Speaker 5: One point one three points per possession from him in
the regular season in isolation plays. And I'm just trying
to sort it by you know, these guys that have
low volume amount and they end up really high because
they did like two of.
Speaker 1: Them, right, Yeah, you got it for sure.
Speaker 2: And I'm also like, we don't really ever see Zoo
with the bench, and it's like, I wonder what the
bench pick and roll maybe looks like, because I feel
like Zoo makes a pick and roll with Chris done
a lot easier than whoever the hell he's going to
be running the pick and Roll with if it's not Zoo,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, there's
some fun stuff, and I hope we see Kawhi as
the screener because that is something that I feel like
is almost like my white whale. We've seen it a
couple times and it's been pretty effective. It's just very rare.
We do see it, and again that's where you want
to yeah, and that, but that again, that's like, you know,
you get the pick and pop and stuff like that.
So they got to add some wrinkles if they want to.
If it is our year, as some are saying, we
might see some creativity on this this pick and Roll front,
which I'm excited for. And we have the best guy
to run it with the starters, which is James Harden.
Speaker 5: So it looks like of guys who at least had
two hundred or more possessions in an isolation play, James
Harden's at one point one to three, as I mentioned,
that's better than Luka Doncic. The one guy I'm finding
that's better than him was Kawhi Leonard at one point
to zero. I think they both did finish like top
three in this category last season, which is why when
people complain about them going into ISO so much, like, well,
the numbers kind of say they're really damn good at it,
so maybe they should do it. There's something to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, a guy we haven't talked a bunch about for
I think pretty fair reasons, both on the court and
off the court, is what we mentioned smaller lineups. KPJ.
Kevin Porter Junior is a guy who can shoot. He's
been at the Rico Hines Runs. I'm not sure if.
Speaker 1: He's at ASU.
Speaker 2: Tilmayer was saying that guys might be coming in, so
like maybe maybe he hands up with the team, But he's
been like with the team, you know what I mean,
most of his time has been at the one. He
had one season where he played sixty percent of his
time at the two. I think it was his second
year in the league. Every year other than that, he's
like over ninety three percent of his time playing.
Speaker 1: At the one. If he gets time again.
Speaker 2: He has not played in the NBA, and sometime some
people need to maybe ten for their expectations on that.
Speaker 4: Well, it's also just I mean, this is the role
even if you foresee him really taking off here. The
role is markedly different from what the Rockets, Yeah, from
what he's played before, like what his role looked like before.
You like, even if you're the highest, even if you're
the highest on KPJ, even if you think that he's
gonna take Terrence Man's spot, even in that highest of
high scenarios, right, that's a completely different that's a completely
different role still than what he was doing on the Rockets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not getting thirty four minutes per night. I
don't see any scenario where that happens. And I would
argue based upon his play, he is a good passer
of the backups. He should be playing the one, whether
he's playing next to Chris Dunn or Norman Powell, both
those guys should be playing the two next to KPJ. Honestly,
they should be playing off of him while he does
ISO overly and gets into you know, a little bit
of his bag maybe too often. Sometimes it gets him
into trouble. As a lot of young players to do
early on in their career, especially when you're on a
bad team. He averaged i mean, six assists per game.
Like he he's a really.
Speaker 2: Good passer, and Dunn played thirty percent of his time
last year at the two, so like, there's that's a
small kind of a small ass backcourt.
Speaker 5: But dun can guard up. Like I'm not concerned about
him playing the two, honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting because he's again you know, Norm can't
really run the pick and roll, but just something to monitor.
Speaker 5: I don't want the ball in Norm's hands making the decision.
I don't want the ball in Dunn's hands over kp
J making the decisions. I think of those three guys,
he should definitely be the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. His preseason is going to
have to be real good.
Speaker 5: He's not a two year deal though, you know, like, yeah,
is there committed to him somewhat?
Speaker 1: Is it fully guaranteed or is the second or something? Goofy.
Speaker 5: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: I'm looking it up right now. He's on it's a
player option next year for two and a half.
Speaker 1: Million dollars, So a prove it deal for him, I
would say the previoust of prove it deals.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a two year, less than five million
dollar contract in a very.
Speaker 1: Long time in the NBA.
Speaker 2: No disrespect to guys getting that, but that is the
previoust of prove it deals.
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree as it should be.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the other part is like the man has
not played NBA basketball in a very long time in
the scheme of these things, so like he's not just
hopping in and running a great pick and roll.
Speaker 5: And what happens if what a lot of people think
is the likely scenario I talked with Lot Murray about
this recently, that he gets suspended to start the season
for thirty games or something. Right then you're trying to
implement him while the season's happening, and his job, you know,
somebody else may have already proven it at that point
that they have earned those minutes. Like it's gonna be
it's gonna be a really difficult thing for anyone that
thinks this is okay, here we go. We got a
fifteen points score off the bench every night, Kevin Porter Junior.
There's so much more that's going into this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't want to get Chip muted. I was
in a bunch of ships. I don't want to get
Chip muted.
Speaker 3: Also, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's just gonna again, it's gonna depend on
you know, it's assuming that he is clear to play play,
It's going to depend on him because, yeah, I don't know.
His assistants are fine, He's still like a worse than.
Speaker 3: Two to one assisted turn of the ratio. He's not
like a super gifted passer.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's fair. I mean, I guess and like.
Speaker 4: It, like is he gonna be out of a score
first mode? This is it once again, a guy who
was not in the league and is on a very
cheap deal, approve it deal, which that can That can
go a lot of ways, I think in a player's mind,
and I think only one of them.
Speaker 3: Would actually be beneficial to the Clippers.
Speaker 5: There's far more realistic paths of him not being a
big time impactful player for the Clippers season, for the
Clipper season or this year. Then there are of him
turning into a six man of the year type. They
just are you talk about somebody who's been out of
the game for this long and then he could be
out even longer while the season is starting and guys
are you know, finding their place in the rotation without him.
That's a lot to ask.
Speaker 1: It's a tall ass and again.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's gonna be some YouTube comment saying we're
hating on Kevin Porter Junior. I haven't even become close
to say what I actually think about Kevin Porter Junior.
We're just talking basketball, but everything we're saying is completely true.
You can't just come in and play in the it's not.
I'll tell you what's ruin this game is aau. It's
people thinking you can just hop on a team and
put up twenty points. It's not how it works, but
it'll be interesting. Anything else on the pick and roll
that you guys wanna interject.
Speaker 1: I know people love clips and dip.
Speaker 3: P and R talk spam it hardened screens for Kawhi.
Speaker 1: Dude, I feel like defense be like, what the fuck
is this? There's a small guard garden.
Speaker 3: James d h o hard harden screens for Kawhi.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 2: That'd be a good time. I want Zoo to hit
that little lot I was talking about that clip Law posted.
Zoo hits a nice little uh in his first twenty
point game. He was hitting these like top of the
key jumpers, which I want Zoo to unleash.
Speaker 1: We don't, yeah, we do.
Speaker 4: So who's already just enough in his bag. Can we
just let him do the things that he's good at more? Oh,
for God's sake, he.
Speaker 5: Could probably hit every shot from half court.
Speaker 2: I want yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: If if the shot clock is under two, fine zoo.
Speaker 2: I'm making shirts that say that I don't care where
he is on the court.
Speaker 1: There's a rumor, and now we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Cloths and dips for those of you just tuning into
the most important part. There's a rumor that the City
edition is going to be pink and blue. I've been
seeing rumbling about this, which if you remember what the
City edition court looks like, which I will screen share
since Adam refused to screen share earlier word it has
some pink and blue thanks to the Jonas wood design here.
I could see this being a pretty sick ass jersey
with this shade, these shades of.
Speaker 1: Blue and green. I don't necessarily think it connects.
Speaker 5: Gonna because I see a lot of brown on the card.
Speaker 2: The jersey's gonna it's gonna act, oh the hardwood, it's
gonna act as camouflage. So the Clippers are gonna be
wearing gonna be wearing jerseys will look exactly like this. No,
but I'm excited to see these. I cannot wait to
see the city editions. I'm sure we'll see some leaks
from NBA. I guess NBA Brazil doesn't exist anymore, but
there's always like random uh leaks.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited. I feel like they're gonna be sweet.
And this court rules.
Speaker 5: There's a blue jersey, there's a white jersey, there's a
red jersey. Yes, this is the city edition. We're saying
that could be the pink one. What's the red one?
Then association statement? Statement? Is it the statement that sounds right?
It is at go back to red after all this time? Sure, truly.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Back in my day, team's had two jerseys chuck home
and away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a different time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen twenty three was a vastly different time.
Speaker 5: Outside and find a cloud, I will dude.
Speaker 1: And you know what, back in my day, there's only
two kinds of clouds.
Speaker 3: Do we really want to get into? Uh?
Speaker 5: These clouds are softah.
Speaker 4: Completely unchecked and unbridled rise of capitalism in the time
since we were children to now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, we're doing clips and capitalism after this.
That's our other show, Chips and Capitalism.
Speaker 1: All right, speaking of chips, does anyone have a dip?
Speaker 2: I have been the viewers have gotten to watch me
eat a whole mess of chips and dip.
Speaker 1: Did you guys?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna dip for your ass.
Speaker 5: Aggressive dips?
Speaker 1: Wow, Adam, you do not have one?
Speaker 5: Guys? I am really, I'm not. I'm not even doing
this just because I'm being lazy. I really have to
crack down on what I'm eating right now. If I'm
gonna make it to ten percent, it is time to
lock things down it, bro Seriously, I've only eaten five
hundred and fifty calories so far today, and I'm trying
to definitely stay under eight hundred today.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: I got a little bit of fruit and a little
bit of yoga. I can eat later and that's all
I get.
Speaker 2: Yoga counts yoga five hundred and fifty calories, Broly is seven.
Speaker 5: But I am on a lot of zero calorie caffeine.
That's keep me going. Baby.
Speaker 1: What's your body fat at? What was the last Bechdel scam?
Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't done one since the first. I'm
guessing I'm around fourteen percent body fat.
Speaker 1: Currently, right, that's fantastic.
Speaker 5: I'm making progress.
Speaker 2: Will Adam revealed that he's eaten five hundred and fifty
calories today.
Speaker 3: Why are you doing that?
Speaker 5: Because I was inspired by you and your kettle.
Speaker 3: But I mean my I'm not like limiting to my
my calaries. Do it that sort of level.
Speaker 1: That's Will. What dip do you got?
Speaker 4: I got a flavorful Southwest style salsa. Okay, it actually
actually right before we hopped on here. I threw it
on a couple of quido tortillas with somemarugula and pounded
it down, which is a you know, a crazy person
meal that you eat standing.
Speaker 5: How many calories does that?
Speaker 3: Busy at work?
Speaker 2: Adam salivating, He's like, tell us more about how it tasted.
It made the spellowus.
Speaker 1: So I went.
Speaker 2: I went with a classic. Last last time we were together,
I went to Arawon. I dropped fifteen dollars. There's a
Twitter guy who reached out. He was like, you should
have got your lavage from an Armenian bakery, and I
was like, full disclosure.
Speaker 1: I went to Arawon as a bit trust me, I
don't have the money. Again.
Speaker 2: I'm taking five hundred bucks if you sneaking to my
house and watch me sleep. Why you support local Armyia,
I do support a lot of local army.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like you're a little busy with your airwand
with my arawon. I just go there and park, I
just go to hang, you know, so I went the
other way. I'm keeping it real, I'm keeping it safe.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Tostitos just salt of coca. Nothing crazy eating them.
Speaker 1: Uh with uh.
Speaker 2: Uh OEM chips original equipment manufactured chips. These are also
Tostito's chips. That's a charm for if you used to
work for a vaporizer company and people were obsessed with parts.
Speaker 1: Ohem. But it's good.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of industries.
Speaker 1: I think it's only the vape industry.
Speaker 3: I like that you thought it was that.
Speaker 1: I mean I never heard it.
Speaker 2: It was my first office job. And I would bring
this to the barbecue. I've brought this to many a barbecue.
So will would you bring yours to a barbecue?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: I there's fucking chunks of corn in it, which, again
being Keto, I really hates, and no, I would not.
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's adam.
Speaker 3: When i'd have to like strain those out.
Speaker 5: I literally brought that dip, the one you're eating to
the last barbecue we ad no, but yeah, I love
that dip.
Speaker 1: Great tip. All right.
Speaker 4: One of the like one of the surprise hits for
me of this entire segment that we've met is I
think it's just the toast. I think it's still the
tostedos uh brand, but it's the Plano Blancos the case.
It is incredible. Not that the regular one isn't good,
but this is like, who real.
Speaker 1: Good good ship, oh real mass. I think that about
wraps it up. We're gonna be back next week for y'all.
Speaker 2: There's only around forty days until the regular season starts.
Speaker 1: Cut calories, adam fucking impressed?
Speaker 3: Is that why you're doing this.
Speaker 5: Instead of getting before the season starts?
Speaker 3: H I don't think.
Speaker 2: But if you have a goal for the preseason, because
the first preseason game is October fifth.
Speaker 5: Yeah not eat Especially now October twenty third is the cutoff,
I'm gonna get a dexa scaned like the day before.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, can't wait for real basketball. If you're watching again,
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Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, with good friends, great content.
Speaker 2: I partially agree, but last week, because of the heat,
I was in a slog uh. Adam, you're one positive
thing for Clippers fans to send them for the rest
of their.
Speaker 5: Week wouldn't be so hot if you didn't have that
hot ass gold chain like your Mookie bets.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I will say it conducts heat a little too well.
It burned my neck walking to target last week.
Speaker 5: By positive thing. Uh. I think the pick and roll
point in talking about that was a good one today, Chuck,
And I'm starting to think, and somebody could put this
in the comment section, what is the worst offense that
James Harden has been in offensive rating wise since he became,
you know, a number one, number two option, so over
the last ten or so years, because I'm guessing every
one of those offenses was probably top ten. That that
speaks to just his greatness and what it means to
have a system. He is a system. Yeah, and it's true.
And more pick and roll the better. I didn't think
they were in the stats board out. I did not
think they spammed it enough last season. It bothered me.
I felt like there was always an easier way guys
run high pick and roll. With one of the best
pick and role players in the history of basketball, nobody's
figured out a way to stop it, even when they
had like Ricky Rubio guarding behind him and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: The James Harden.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, come on, you got James Harden. So
maybe maybe I'm doing being too conservative when I say
the Clippers just need to be a top thirteen offense
this season. Maybe there's evidence they can still be a
top ten offense just by having James Harden.
Speaker 2: We'll see. They just gotta spam it. I respect it.
Spam the easiest option. We thank you everyone for hanging out.
We'll be back next week, and as always, let's go
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