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Speaker 1: We understand.

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Speaker 2: The thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 3: The population of atheists this country is going through the.

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Speaker 2: Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I

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tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not because.

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Speaker 1: I put my hand on a book and made a.

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Speaker 2: Wish and working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 3: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness. Truth,

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Usian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 2: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 3: Just returned from a wonderful event in Orlando, the Florida

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Freethought Conference, getting ready to get back on a plane

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to go and officiate a wedding in San Antonio and

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then travel coming up in the month of April for

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the American Atheist Conference and some other ones on the horizon.

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Details on all the major events that are coming up

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are at the Thinkingatheist dot com slash events. My flight delayed,

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big weather out East, tornadoes and the whole thing, so

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everybody got delayed and I ended up sort of sitting

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alone in forlorn in a holiday inn express wishing I

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was home with Natalie and the dogs scrolling hotel television,

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which is terrifying. By the way, when I was in Orlando,

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I was scrolling and I am not kidding. Televangelist and

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quote unquote faith healer Peter pop Off was on one

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of the channels. Guys, gotta be freaking seventy five eighty

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years old, and he is hawking these tiny little packets

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of water. This is miracle spring water. Oh, send me

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your your love offering, send me your support, and I

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will mail you miracle springwater. Now, I don't know exactly

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what it's supposed to do. Do you smear it on yourself?

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Do you pour it into your shampoo? You know? What

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is it? What are the natures of the miracles? I

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do not know. He was debunked decades ago by the

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great skeptic James Randy, Peter Popoff doing a healing service,

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a whole series of these, making millions of dollars. James

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Randy and like a radio expert, went and they took

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equipment scanning frequencies, and Peter Popoff was using an ear

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piece and his wife was off stage reading prayer cards,

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and so he'd be like Susan's in the audience. Susan,

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Susan has a injury. Susan, are you here? God is

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telling me there's a Susan now with us, you know,

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And Susan stands up. Yes, Peter Poppa, I don't and

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he brings her on stage and you know, it's all theater,

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and then he got busted. Well, somehow, even when these

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people are busted, they still continue to make millions of dollars.

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The sheep will line up and they send in their

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Social Security checks and they go and attend the rallies.

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This guy is still on TV decades later saying, Oh,

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if you give me five hundred dollars right now, I

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will send you a little packet of water. You know,

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somebody's in the back room sitting at the tap filling

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up little things of plastic seal shut you know, or

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maybe he's got machines to do it in mass I

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don't know how many people are mailing in their checks.

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What about auto draft? Is he doing that shit? Put

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us on auto so your monthly gift comes out, well,

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you don't even have to think about it. And you

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know there are people who have not a cent to

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their name. We're giving money they don't have because they

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are casting their bread upon the water, and they believe

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that they will be blessed, if not in this life,

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in the next. What a great scam that is. Well,

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I guarantee God's blessing. You might be dead when it happens,

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but all your mansion's going to be bigger, and your

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crown's going to be swankier, and you'll have more diamonds

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in it. And why the hell do we care about

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diamonds and crowns and material mansions and shit in a

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place when it's not supposed to matter at all. Someone

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explain this to me. I'm sorry, God says, sell all

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your shit, give it to the poor, and follow me.

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And now my reward is a mansion and gold crown

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and streets of gold and pearly gates. These are all

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monetary things. It's just so bizarre. Anyway, I'm stuck in

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the airport and they're bouncing us around from gate to gate.

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This was Phoenix Secular Day. I was giving a speech

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and I just released the presentation about Jefferson's Jesus. I

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was in Phoenix, Arizona, and we had a delayed flight

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concourse A on my Layo were in Dallas coming home,

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this other concourse to get an alternative flight. So we're

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all rushing, and you've seen Dallas. They've got these trams

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that connect concourses ABCD and E and you're waiting to

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announcer comes on. This train is arriving. Please do not

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block the doors, allow people to exit. And you know

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what people did. A horde of people crushed themselves in

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front of the door like a brick wall. Explain this

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to me. They just heard the voice clear as a

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bell say please do not block the doors, and then

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they just go in. And then there were tons of

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people trying to get off, and they're bumping elbows and

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shouldering into each other and excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.

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Someone explained this to me. Is it that it's a

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public that is in a state of constant distraction? Is

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it self interest? I don't give a shit. Like they're

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so shortsighted. They think I have to get on, so

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I'm going to move forward, not I will actually get

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on the tram faster if I allow others to exit first.

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how people think in life, whether it's doze or anything

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else that's going on. We tend to on the front

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end think, well, if I do this, I will benefit

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if we act in the interests of all and we

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are all maneuvering, that everybody will actually get there faster

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and be more comfortable. It's like when you and I

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are on the highway and you're coming up to I

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don't know, an exit ramp and on ramp some sort

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of a traffic circle or something, and there are people

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who are merging. Eighty eighty five percent of the people say, Okay,

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we have people who are entering the highway at highway speeds.

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I'm going to space myself out and everybody who wants

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to slide in can do so easily. This to me

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makes sense. Everybody wins. Nobody has to slam on the

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brakes until somebody decides, hey, I'm going to game this system,

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and they jack their car right down the side lane

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or even on the shoulder and then try to nose

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themselves in at the front of the line so they

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can get to work twelve seconds sooner, and everybody else

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has to slam on the brakes and now you've got

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stop start to rush hour traffic. But if this person

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had just merged alongside everybody else with a little bit

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of foresight and some consideration, we all would win. We

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all would win, you know what I'm saying. And I

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wasn't trying to overthink it, you know, Seth Andrews, airport philosopher, Right,

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I was trying to overthink it. But I'm just shocked

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by how people don't understand that when they act in

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the interest of all, they win. Right, when you act

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in the interest of all, we all win. But that

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doesn't seem to be the culture that we live in. Well,

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let me back up. Let's say that we are divided.

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more interested in the all, and there are then a

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bunch of people who are interested in only themselves, and

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there's a clash of cultures. I find it just hugely

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ironic that we are named the United States of America.

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It's time for a name change. Can you think of

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a less United Country. Whenever we talk about the United States,

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are almost right down the middle, divided on all of

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the major issues that come to bear. What are we

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united about? I can't even name something. Well, we maybe

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agree that we were born here. We've got a social

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Security number for now, I don't know. I've been thinking

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about human nature and our frustrations. George Darlin used to

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talk a lot about humans working against their own interests.

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do it all the time. Anyway, if you want to

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dial in and talk about something, the numbers are in

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the show notes the description box of the broadcast. If

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you do with super Chat, I would be honored to

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get your supports. It does make a difference, especially knowing

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that at any moment, the Trump administration is going to

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declare war and the oligarchs are going to decide that

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any anti Christian quote unquote bias will immediately be demonetized.

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And I look forward to that day. Right, Seth Andrews

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is an enemy of God, Let's demonetize everything he does.

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What else was I? Oh, forgive me, but I got

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to talk about Elon I know I've done a show recently.

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We've talked a lot about Elon Musk, but he's unavoidable.

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I was talking to and I have been attempting to

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engage people who voted for Trump. I go back and

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forth on one side. I've written them off, and then

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occasionally I come back and I'm like, no, I am

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going to plead my case. I'm going to make them

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aware that there are pieces of information that are not

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disinformation being disseminated by Fox News, Newsmax and right wing radio.

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I want to expose them. You know, what was the

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statistic that I wrote about in Fox News Christian that

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of twenty sixteen to forty percent of Trump voters in

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his first election got their news only from one source,

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Fox News, forty percent. They were absolutely locked in a

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disinformation silo. We do not share the same reality. And

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so I thought, well, I feel a responsibility to introduce

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people to things that they are not seeing, you know,

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that are not being shared on Fox and Friends and

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it it's exhausted eggxhausted. Then I kept trying to flip

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the script and show a scenario where they would be

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outraged if things were happening on the other side. Of

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the aisle. So if Joe Biden had appointed another billionaire,

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call it Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, somebody like that, right,

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and said, Okay, I'm going to give you in a

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handful of largely unknown college kids, many of whom have

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racist posts, you know, who have a history of tremendously

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problematic behavior. Some are still teenagers. I'm going to give

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Mark Cuban and his teenagers complete nonfettered access to six

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trillion dollars in US treasury, Medicaid, social Security, and AI,

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which is not This is not like honed technology and

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can tell that whenever we Google search something and it

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gives us the AI synopsis, often the AI gets it wrong.

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as possible a human touch. But let's say that Biden

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had put Mark Cuban and his college people into an

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organization that was not a real organization, and they gave

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them the power to cut Medicaid and potentially limit or

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eliminate your social security. What if they were eliminating your job.

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was a retiree from a government job. What if your

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dad went in and all of a sudden they said, oh,

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you failed your five bullet point email by after thirty

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years observing the state by have a nice day, and

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all of a sudden he was scrambling to try to

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figure out how he's going to feed his family and

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pay the mortgage and everything else. How would you feel

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about that kind of unfettered, unchecked power? And I swear

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to you it was just a fucking just blank Well,

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what about what about? What about? What about a deflection?

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him a portrait of himself in a crown and called

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himself king? How would you feel about that? Well? Yeah,

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how would you feel if Biden had done this or

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this or this or this? We talked about Ukraine? Why

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do you think Trump has not once, not once, admitted

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that Russia is the aggressor? What's that about? Well, you know,

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he wanted to make a deal. He's such a good

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deal maker. All right, hang on, let's not talk about

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the deal, all right, which is essentially, hey, what are

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you going to do for me before I engage in

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helping babies to not be bombed by an aggressor who

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was invading a sovereign country? Okay, let's let's just go

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back to why do you think Trump won't say the

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words that Russia is the aggressor invading a sovereign country.

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I swear to you it was maddening. By the end

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of ninety minutes, I needed Gatorade and a long sleep.

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I was exhausted. And then I had this conversation like,

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do I continue I was talking about I was talking

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about Elon musk As I finally bring it back to

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the point I was making. I'm sorry, this is why

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it's a tangent. Forgive me. I don't know if you

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enjoyed the tangents or not, but I'm all over the place. Okay,

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So I'm trying to think of another multi billion dollar company,

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any multi billion dollar company where the CEO could disappear,

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salutes and then joke about them at the highest levels

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of exposure, and devalue the stock of the company by half.

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do that and not immediately find emergency meetings of the

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board and the stockholders to say, what the hell you're

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out of here. Tesla is a company with one hundred

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and twenty five thousand employees, by the way, and I

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have to say this, and I should say this. I

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think the protests against Tesla owners are grieved and they're pissed. Right.

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It used to be fun to drive a Tesla. It

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used to feel good to be able to have this.

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Evs are fun. I think that the three in the

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Y and even the s are well made cars. I

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know people like to say they're not they're popular. People

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enjoy driving them. The cyber trucks to hold another conversation.

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But you know, if people are selling their Tesla's and

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giving them the fingers they as the truck drives off

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with it on the flatbed, wonderful that is. That's an

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act of protest. That's a liberation exercise. If you protest

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outside of a Tesla dealership, or if you're showing up

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at a public forum and you are protesting Elon Musk,

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if you are posting all of these things on social media,

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if you are speaking out and you are outraged and

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you are part of a resistance movement, this is not hey,

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this is protected free speech. And I just honestly think

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this is a free society working as it should. But

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I do totally reject the folence against dealerships and against

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Tesla vehicles with people come out and their swastik is painted.

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I know that in the meme verse this is totally

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a cheap shot. Everybody's like, yeah, men, look at that.

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Nazis gets you asked y And I know that we

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like to make We can make fun of cyber truck

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and owners, knock yourself out, But once we get into

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physical destruction, setting shit on fire, smashing glass, vandalism, this

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is not the solution to the problem. It only gives

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ammo to the opposition, and honestly, it's it's beneath us.

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There were other ways. We have to be the adults

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in the room, and I do not buy this. Well,

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sometimes you got to break the omelet to make the egg.

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I don't buy that. We are not at that point,

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and vandalizing people's cars makes it. It honestly is one

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of the worst things that we can do. There were

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other ways to protest, and we should. And I think

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that one hundred and twenty five thousand people who work

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for Tesla, you know a massive percent of those people

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are pissed, like what the what right? Maybe they loved

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their jobs, Maybe they love their coworkers. Maybe they've enjoyed

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being with test. You know, they were there when it

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was the I mean, at some point recently it was

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the most popular sedan. I think the three was the

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most popular and most sold sedan, at least in the

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United States. It was ranked the number one ev sedan

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by I think was it Car and Driver.

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Speaker 4: Or ED.

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Speaker 3: It was one of the major car publications. And they're like, yeah,

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it feels good, right And wait, did I say break

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the omelet to make the egg? I'm sorry, break the

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egg to make the omelet. Sorry, I had an inversion

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in my brain. I short circuited. Sometimes you got to

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break the egg to make the omelet. Thank you for

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correcting me. This is what you get when you do

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an impromptu live stream in front of skeptics. They will

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find the flaws and they will come back and all right,

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some oftimes break the egg, okay, But setting people's test list,

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going and committing these acts of lawlessness, it's no, no,

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that's not how we fix the world. Okay. But I

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do know that people working for Tesla, I know the

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shareholders have got that. I mean, can you imagine losing

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fifty percent of the value of your shares in Tesla

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because the CEO is doing Nazi shit and being generally

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toxic and heading up an assault on democracy and decency.

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Of course you would be horrified. So you've lost what

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fifty percent of the value. Well, now's not the time

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to sell. The shareholder meeting for Tesla, I believe is

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coming up in June. But I'm sitting back thinking, Okay, okay.

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Bord of Directors watches this guy and he's running around

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in his Hollywood sunglasses wheeling a chainsaw. You know he's

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he's bringing in college kids with nicknames like big Balls

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to decide what happens to our financial future. He insults

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an astronaut. I'm sorry, sorry, an astronaut. If there is

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a more fireman and astronauts probably the most beloved American icons.

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You're going after, an astronaut, You're going after scientists and

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social service workers. And you piss off the world. And

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you know you support the guy who wants to declare

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financial war and maybe eventually physical war on fucking Canada.

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I'm sorry Canada. You want to conquest of Canada? Yeah,

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And then you watch the entire value of the company

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that you've invested in, go board of directors. Where the

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hell are they? The chairman of that board, I forget

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her name off the top of my head. She is

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worth five or six hundred million dollars. Oh, there's some

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incentive to shut your hole, musk. Musk culture has been

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pretty lucraid. But even then, I mean, where the why

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are there not emergency board meetings happening right now? I

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me you, I don't hear anything about him? Hello, danger,

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damage control problem. There are finally calls by some people

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to say he needs to get out of there, But

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the shareholders meet in June. I would think, how about

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an emergency shareholders conference. I think it's worth that. Hey,

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you know what instead of June, I'm thinking early April,

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damage control. Hello, and Donald Trump called EV's lunacy. This

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was just last year. So before he's turning the White

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House lawn into a Tesla showroom. You know, come get

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your Tesla Sunday, Sunday Sunday. Anyone think Donald Trump knows

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how to drive a freaking car let alone? I'm sorry,

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So he said promoting electric vehicles was the idea of

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the radical left, fascists, Marxists, and communists. I'm sorry. And

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now all of a sudden, he just flips the script

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and he's like, Tesla, Yay. Why aren't these people who

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are in Tesla freaking out? Is it fear that they'll

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be docked? I think someone said that somewhere someone published

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the personal information including the addresses of was it Tesla

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owners or Tesla shareholders? Jesus Christ, that's not the answer,

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because many people who are involved with the company have

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seen it as a company and they're scrambling to figure

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out how to stop the bleeding and get this asshole

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out of power to begin with. These people are not

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your enemy, right. It just irritates me those people who

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think that the Left doesn't have its share of extremists

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to do unproductive things who can't be emotional bags of

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you know, skeleton or meat covered skeletons. I think it's

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what we let. We're all primate's emotional primates. Those people

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who think the Left doesn't have a faction of people

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that go from healthy reaction to overreaction have no idea

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what they're talking about. This is human nature, and I

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think we have to call out unproductive and untoward and

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even illegal behavior whenever we see it. I know that's

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a nuanced position. On the internet. The binary thinkers are

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going to reject that wholesale take a number. I don't

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give a shit it's wrong, but I do have to wonder,

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you know, why aren't we seeing an active move in

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the immediate by the board and the shareholders. I think

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the shareholders are probably a little hamstrung. But at least

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the Board of directors, right, I mean, they hold his

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destiny in their hands. He's a majority shareholder, but what

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does he have? Fifteen percent, seventeen percent shares and he's

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still at the mercy, he's still on paper. At least

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is accountable to the board. John Irving had this great

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quote in Cider House Rules. He said, being afraid that

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you will look like a coward is the worst reason

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for doing anything, and I will include not doing anything

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in that. You know, is that what leadership is? Is

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that what leadership is? Get out of your chairs or

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go down with the cyber trucks. Did you read that

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there was a recall? Now like forty something thousand cyber

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trucks are being recalled because one of the panels that

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is glued on that shit's just flying off in traffic. Literally,

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Oh look, flying guillotine just gave a speech at Florida

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three thought about the deference to authority figures. It is

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amazing how people will surren under all of their power,

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all of their decision making away to someone who promises

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them the moon. I'll fix it, i'll make it right,

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i'll protect you, I'll make you rich. And they go yay,

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and then they just wink out and say, here's everything.

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Speaker 1: Take it.

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Speaker 3: Take my voice, take my vote, take my social Security number,

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take my future, Take all the decisions, take all the responsibility.

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I totally trust you. Congratulations, you have now told the

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story of every authoritarian in history. I will save you. You know,

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we're a culture that loves save your figures. Someone else

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just to handle it. I'm busy. I'm raising kids and

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doing my job, and I got shit to take care

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of and responsibilities. Who's got time for all this. I'm

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going to find somebody who looks and sounds impressive to me,

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and I'm just going to give them the keys to

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the whole thing. Here you go, here, you go, knock

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your stuff out, and then you come back, you know

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a few months later, and you're like, hey, where's democracy.

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I knew I put it around here, somewhere check under

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the couch. Now I don't see democracy there. Maybe I

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left it in the garage. Still to come. We have

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you and your calls. Well, go to the phones right

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after this. Thank you so much for being here. I

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hope you are hanging in there. We are talking about

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whatever it is that is on your mind today. As

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we take our first call, Michael is calling in from

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three one five. Michael, are you there?

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Speaker 4: I am, How are you set?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thanks for calling. Let's chat. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 4: Well, I saw some data over the weekend that, you know,

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looking at all the social media channels and the podcasts

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and the videos and the TV channels, and how much

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of that just by volume is right leaning information. So

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you know, I know you're on wacky scheduled and stuff.

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But first I just wanted to say, you know, thank

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you for trying to pop in when you can and

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get your voice out there and that, oh you know,

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that is important stuff. So thank you.

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Speaker 3: That's appreciated. Forgive me here. I'm sniffling its allergy season.

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And I was also just in a series of airplanes

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which are Petrie dishes. In fact, you know what I

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need to make a note put hang on put in

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ninety five mask in carry on. I'm serious. I meant

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to do that last time. I was on a when

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I was going to Orlando. Half the plane was going

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to Disney, and all it was was just kids coughing,

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and I thought to myself, Oh my god, this is

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a Petrie dish and ninety five mask. Okay, thanks for

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the reminder, go ahead, what else was on your mind?

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Speaker 4: I was on a zoom call with my representative recently

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and there were about twenty thousand people that he said,

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dialed in and everyone's very upset. And one of the

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things he said was, hey, you know, we in Congress

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said fully recognize that what this administration is doing is illegal,

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he said, but unfortunately a lot of our constituents don't

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see it that way. And that to me is a

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real sticking point here. And I don't have the historical

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context to look at how other big issues have been

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handled in the history of our country. But I mean,

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have we ever been this far? You were just talking

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about this divide where we are literally looking at what is,

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on its face, unlawful conduct, and so many people saying

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it seems fine to me. I don't see an issue here.

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Speaker 5: How do you navigate that.

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Speaker 3: I follow the work of American historian Heather Conx Richardson,

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and she talks about the cultural divide and the essentially

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white slavers that were dominating the culture in the mid

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eighteen hundreds. And you talk about a divide, you know,

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we're talking pre Civil War and during the Civil War

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United States, when we literally carried out violence on each

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other to solve the conflict, you know, and it was

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messy and it was awful, it was horrible, and it

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was bloody and all those types of things. And her

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take is, you know, we have in a few ways

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been here before, but it was after the people rose

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up and then Lincoln was elected and we began to

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re establish a democracy and a government for the people,

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by the people of the people, et cetera. And so

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she's like, stay vigilant because if our history shows us anything,

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it shows us that while there are times of great

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division and the oligarchs and the authoritarians do come in

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and screw things up, historically we do see uprisings and

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we do see people come back and an often very

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very difficult course correction. And so I do think we've

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been divided. I think all you have to do is

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go back to the Civil War time and the divide

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on whether or not people of color were human beings.

474
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And but what's happening is admittedly historic, and I think

475
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,960
we have to keep kicking for what it's worth. Okay, yeah, I.

476
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: Completely agree with you.

477
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,799
Speaker 6: You know, I was similarly looking at some content about,

478
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,359
you know, how how dictators and fasciats typically lose power

479
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,400
and it's never that they go, Okay, I'm out to

480
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,279
see you guys later and they leave right. So, like, yes,

481
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,279
we have been here before, but track record is not

482
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:34,680
good for what happens next.

483
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: I think I think, you know, they executed Mussolini. I

484
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
think about all the other ones that were, you know,

485
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,319
thrown out in disgrace. I mean, it's to storm. The

486
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,559
vast Deal was not exactly a pleasant moment in the

487
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,400
history of France, but it was it was a revolt

488
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,799
of the people who had had enough. I don't know

489
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,079
if that's coming, but I'll tell you this. If Trump

490
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:02,480
starts ignoring or continues to begin ignoring and blasting and

491
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:07,200
marginalizing judges and the judiciary, essentially the last check against

492
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,000
him since the Congress has compromised, then what other recourse

493
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:16,759
do you have if he's weaponized law enforcement, he supposedly

494
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,359
has the military at his disposal. I'm trying to think

495
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,359
if the military will actually follow in a moral order,

496
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,359
or if the general's will rebolt against him. But if

497
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,880
that's the case and then he ignores the courts, I

498
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,640
wonder if there's any other recourse, if there will have

499
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,559
to be some kind of nasty uprising, what will that

500
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,079
look like? So what is that line that Martin Luther

501
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,680
King Junior used, Riots are the language of the unheard,

502
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,559
I believe is what he said. It's something to watch, Michael,

503
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,599
good question.

504
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: Ever the first step? Yeah, like, you know, I heard

505
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,079
what you're saying about. You know, we don't condone violence

506
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,160
against you know, or destruction of property.

507
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Speaker 7: And thing like that.

508
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,759
Speaker 8: I think the the.

509
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,519
Speaker 4: Frustration is we've been very vocal through normal means for

510
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,559
a long time, and it doesn't seem like that is

511
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,119
making a dent. And so there's part of me that thinks, well,

512
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
you know, nobody wants this, but I don't know that

513
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:19,200
it's avoidable if the other methods aren't yielded with any improvements.

514
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

515
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: You and I are in the same boat. I feel

516
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,319
like part of me wants to take a lawn chair

517
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,240
to a high perch and just you know, get a

518
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,240
mye tie and some sunglasses to witness the end of

519
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,640
Western civilization. But I refuse to give up all hope

520
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,000
and I hope you feel the same. Michael, thanks for

521
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:38,839
calling my friend.

522
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you.

523
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, see you later. Diana at seven six zero, Hi,

524
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:51,000
are you there? Yes, Hello, welcome. What's on your mind?

525
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, real quick, I'm going to just get an opinion.

526
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,480
In my opinion, doose is creating an apart time in

527
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,200
the United States, the oligarts and the poor. It just

528
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:10,400
really bothers me. The dismantling of the government, the firing

529
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,599
of hard working people and the important work that they do,

530
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:20,639
is very disheartening. These organizations, regardless of people have heard

531
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,559
of them or not, have always been doing work for

532
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:25,119
the people.

533
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 9: Whether it's USA ID or the Department of.

534
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,039
Speaker 8: Education or FEMA, all these organizations work for the people,

535
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,079
the consumer protection people.

536
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 10: They're working for the.

537
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,519
Speaker 8: People, and by dismantling them takes away the power of

538
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,960
the people, every day ordinary citizens.

539
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: That's about it, and that's plenty. Diana. Thanks for sharing

540
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,360
your voice. Appreciate you, thank you for your Timebye, Dear America.

541
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:08,280
An unelected South African who immigrated here illegally, he skipped

542
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,239
his student visa and just stayed is now essentially arguably

543
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,639
the most powerful person in the country, and he has

544
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:25,199
a stranglehold over your financial future. And they're like, yay, oh,

545
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,519
here's one of my favorites. Some of the people. There

546
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,280
are some who are Trump voters who are starting to

547
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,599
feel the pain and now they're reversing course. I'm mixed

548
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,280
on that. You know, part of me. If someone wakes

549
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,559
out of a cult legitimately, I definitely want to be

550
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,880
there for them. If somebody simply said, oh shit, I

551
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,760
never thought somebody would ruin my life. I have not

552
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,760
much sympathy for them. But you know, the idea that

553
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,679
a South African oligarch is holding their future hostage, they

554
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,239
seem okay with. And then there are some people who

555
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,400
when they lose their jobs and they up on the

556
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,519
bubble considering they consider it their patriotic duty. I lost

557
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,920
my job, but you know this is we're we have

558
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920
to bite the bullet if we're going to fix America.

559
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,719
So I'm here to serve. What's that line from Starship

560
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,400
Troopers in all the propaganda commercials that they used to

561
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:23,000
I'm doing my part. Yeah, I'm doing my part. I

562
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:26,679
got fired for America. I'm doing my part. I have

563
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,679
a web call no name given? Wait is it? Selouf?

564
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,960
Celof helped me out.

565
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, hello, I'm Selouf.

566
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: Welcome, I sure can. What's on your mind?

567
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:40,519
Speaker 6: Oh?

568
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 11: Well, you know the world in flames, but also cats,

569
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,639
So take your pick. What do you want to talk about.

570
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,039
I'm glad to either give you someone to talk to

571
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,639
about with the politics, maybe an outside perspective because I

572
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,239
live in Sweden and so I'm part of like the

573
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,679
rest of the world that's just watching on in horror.

574
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,519
But I also have lovely cats, one of whom just

575
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:02,559
jumped up to greet me.

576
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me show everybody. You can see it. It's

577
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,400
it's healed up a little bit, but I have a

578
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:14,199
probably a three inch scar here from cat. Yesterday he

579
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,480
was sleeping on my chest and he was like, and

580
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,960
then there was we had super high winds and something

581
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:26,679
must have blown over outside and it freaked him out

582
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,679
from a dead sleep, and he jumped up and scrambled

583
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,079
away and just scratched the hell out of my arms.

584
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,199
I'm sitting here, you know, bleeding going, Thanks Kittie. So no,

585
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,519
all right in a nutshell, what's your perspective from overseas?

586
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:42,480
What do you think about what you see?

587
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 11: Well, there's the watching on in horror as a bunch

588
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,039
of fascist neo Nazis takeover and just seeing you know,

589
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,000
Germany leading up to World War two happening all over again,

590
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,239
but in slightly different order. And the poem of you know,

591
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,719
first came for the insert group here, and I didn't

592
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,679
say anything because I'm not part of that group. Then

593
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,840
they came for et cetera. You know the poem. Yes,

594
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,920
I'm just it's running through my head almost every day.

595
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,639
But it's like different groups. Is so like it's it's

596
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:22,320
trans people and government officials and you know, and so

597
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,639
it's very much like first they came for the government officials,

598
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,159
and I said nothing because I wasn't the government official,

599
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,360
et cetera, et cetera.

600
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,679
Speaker 3: Sure, well, I think one of the fallacies is that

601
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,719
people are saying government should be run like a business,

602
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:43,519
And businesses are pretty much for profit, right, But governments

603
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:49,760
are there to provide structure, safety, and service to societies.

604
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,199
And these are two different entities, and it's also front loaded.

605
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,239
If somebody goes through with the machety and says, yay,

606
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,920
we saved a few billion dollars by cutting all of

607
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,079
these service workers, they have not necessarily taken into account

608
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,639
how much it's going to cost us in terms of

609
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:11,840
dollars and human suffering when those services are gone, and

610
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,800
those costs are often so much greater. It's very myopic,

611
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,320
and I think it's the business model is the wrong

612
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,000
one to take when it comes to government. You agree

613
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:23,199
with that, I hear absolutely.

614
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,599
Speaker 11: I honestly, America, like generally around the world, but especially

615
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,199
in America, there's too much money in politics. I believe

616
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,960
it was in the UK when they're like doing their

617
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,400
campaigns or whatever, they have a cap on how much

618
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,679
they're allowed to spend on their campaigns, whereas in America

619
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,360
it's like you need at least above that cap to

620
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,480
even get off the ground.

621
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: Well, any final thoughts before I move on? Anything else

622
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,440
you want to share?

623
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 12: Oh?

624
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,559
Speaker 11: There was something? Well was that? It slipped my mind now,

625
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,239
But I'm sending you lots of well wishes and cat

626
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,960
purs kitten in my arms right now and purring her

627
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:12,519
little hair.

628
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: What's your cat's name.

629
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 11: Well, this one that I'm cuddling right now, her name

630
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,679
is Louis, which is a Germanic version of Lewis, but

631
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,119
I like it because it also has layers of meaning

632
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,920
to it in Swedish because she's very fluffy, like a lynx,

633
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,000
and the lynx in Swedish is called louy, so you

634
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,480
got the lou there, and wisdom to be wise in

635
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,239
Swedish is called v's doom or at mani vs. So

636
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,039
I like to think of her name as a bit

637
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:44,639
of a portmanteau of like a wise lynx. Her sister's

638
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,239
name is Comet because she's mostly black but has orange

639
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,920
flex on her, including one spray of orange going from

640
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,400
her nose up onto her forehead like a comet.

641
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 3: What's your name?

642
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 11: The third one's name is Flida, and she's like all

643
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,760
three colors.

644
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:04,639
Speaker 3: All right, all right, Well, thanks for Colin. I appreciate

645
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:05,400
you very much.

646
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,199
Speaker 11: Take it easy, mind your blood pressure, okay.

647
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,679
Speaker 3: Uh, Katie, I'm so frustrated because the Dams won't stand

648
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,000
up and fight. Biden was too busy looking like a

649
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,360
nice guy to be effective. Well, Katie and I agree

650
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,079
right now that the Democratic Party I mean, not get

651
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:26,960
hurting cats, I get your independent thinkers, but Jesus Christ.

652
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:32,519
Outside of a few frontline activists Jamie Raskin AOC, Elizabeth

653
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:35,719
Warren's been out there, some others, a few others, largely,

654
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,079
where the where are the Democrats? Why why are they

655
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,920
not having emergency meetings and putting together a unified, full

656
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,440
front effort to resist. Where are the public gatherings? Where

657
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,880
is the unified official statement?

658
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:51,639
Speaker 5: You know?

659
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 3: Where? Where is the necessary reaction? I swear to you,

660
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,840
it's so freaking frustrating right now to get somebody who

661
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,960
is really sounding the alarm and getting his voice out there.

662
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,079
We got to go to Bernie Sanders, right, We got

663
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,039
well what's that about? And there's a lot about Bernie

664
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:14,199
I really like, I appreciate, I really think the guy is.

665
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,079
I think he cares and he's one of a great communicator, Yeah,

666
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:23,239
great communicator, and I think he speaks a lot of

667
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,280
truth about the stuff that's going on. But I'm frustrated

668
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:32,440
with the Democrats. Jesus get organized. They're having a conversation

669
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,639
in the chat about why we should have voted third

670
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,480
party and we wouldn't be in this mess or whatever,

671
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:45,920
and that's just bullshit. Breaking third party and non participants

672
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,199
are part of the reason we're in this mess right now,

673
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:53,360
Pie in the sky third party and they're like, well,

674
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,280
as long as we participate in the system, we're enabling

675
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,039
the system. So this is a protest vote. You know,

676
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,400
in a perfect world and great freaking house is on fire,

677
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,719
you know what I'm saying, The perfect is the enemy

678
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,199
of the good. I would take a flawed democracy in

679
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,920
a country in massive debt with a lot of you know,

680
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,440
I would take what we had over what we have.

681
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,679
I mean, it's no contest. I would take somebody who

682
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:27,360
was promoting egalitarian values, who wants to tax the billionaires,

683
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,039
who wants to give tax breaks to students, you know,

684
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,719
loan forgiveness, protecting LGBT people, gay marriage, trans people. You know,

685
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:41,679
who wants to somebody who runs on a platform like that.

686
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,039
It's not even close, okay. And other people are like, oh, well,

687
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,960
they're the same as the guy who wants to ignore

688
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,760
the entire judiciary enable the oligarchs, makes quillions of dollars

689
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,199
while selling five hundred dollars golden tennis shoes on his

690
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:07,039
own website, and declare war on Canada. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

691
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,159
What on what zana do do you live on? What

692
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,039
planet do you live where you look at this and

693
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,519
say it's remotely equal? Oh, San's just mart of the problem.

694
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,599
He's deluded. The Democrats are bandy, nimmy pumblica, and we

695
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:28,400
can do no no, no illusions. Was it Noah went

696
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,320
off on the the third party and the non participants.

697
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,400
I don't want to throw them out there unless but

698
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,360
I think it was Noah, And I was like, yeah,

699
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,440
if anyone can rant about this shit, it's no illusions

700
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:46,199
of the scathing atheist. He can throw down verbally better

701
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:54,119
than most. I'm just Shayan seven five seven Alan High,

702
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:54,840
thanks for Collin.

703
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 5: Hey, how you doing today?

704
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,679
Speaker 3: I'm well, what's on your mind? Is it just me?

705
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,679
Speaker 9: Because I mean, it seems like every time I turn around,

706
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,159
it's like right there in front of us, every person

707
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,719
that speaks for Trump, especially, it seems like the females

708
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:14,400
just this big cross on their chest and it's like Halo,

709
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:18,079
and it just seems like we're just watching this Christian

710
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:26,440
nationalist movement just catch Greece and just movete What about

711
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,320
females and not necessarily the females. I just noticed it

712
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,960
with the two like the Press Secretary and hits the

713
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Department of Justice person.

714
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 13: It seems like.

715
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 9: Every time they're on big old Cross, it's just standing

716
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:47,320
out there and it's just a big reminder that you know,

717
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,440
we're taking over.

718
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:54,119
Speaker 3: Well a type of I'm seeing it's across the board.

719
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,480
The sicko fans are across the board. I've actually seen

720
00:45:56,519 --> 00:46:00,239
more males than females. I mean, whether it's Ruby or

721
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,719
you know, any of those cats, Mike Johnson, all the

722
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,760
Republican governors, my own governor Stitts. He's got his head

723
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,280
so far up Trump's ass he could probably see if

724
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,440
he has cavities. So yeah, I mean there are people

725
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,519
Linda McMahon and over at Education and the Press Secretary.

726
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:21,800
I get what you're saying. I don't think this is

727
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,280
a gender thing, but I understand the frustration that these people.

728
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,360
There are many people that are waving the Cross of

729
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,599
Christ while they are essentially doing the worst shit in

730
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,559
the universe. So you and I are both watching that

731
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:36,760
for sure.

732
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess I just you know, I meant when

733
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,360
I see because I guess the mom of males can't

734
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,199
necessarily post a big wear of the cross chain around

735
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,280
their necklace, you know, and show it like the female,

736
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,480
so you see it more predominant the females. And I

737
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,639
guess what I'm saying, but oh absolutely, I mean we're changing.

738
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,400
We have Mark Rubio who just can change what he

739
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,760
says about Ukraine. And it's a scary time. I mean,

740
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,679
you know, I actually caught flag the other day. I

741
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,360
have a flag in my front yard that's half the

742
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,039
United States flag and half the Ukraine flag, and I've

743
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,280
had it for a while, and you know, it's weird

744
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,440
how all of a sudden now it's a political view

745
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:21,559
and it's just where the hell have we gone to?

746
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,440
It's from one extreme to another. It's like they're still

747
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,679
mad about Obama or something. I have no idea what the.

748
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 7: Hell is going on?

749
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: Well, okay, it.

750
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 9: Seems like everyone around me is.

751
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 5: I know, I just went on.

752
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 6: But.

753
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 9: Pretty much explains how I feel about it.

754
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,039
Speaker 3: It's funny, as somebody posted that when I see somebody

755
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:45,360
waving an American flag or hanging an American flag off

756
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,320
of the house or a vehicle, I start to expect

757
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,039
the worst. And I hate that, you know, I hate

758
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:54,119
to think, oh, well, there's maga right, But that's kind

759
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,920
of they've weaponized the flag to the point where that's

760
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,920
the first assumption that you make. And so I definitely

761
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,159
have seen that, Alan, And thanks for venting, and you

762
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,159
hang in there out there.

763
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 5: Okay, Oh, I appreciate it.

764
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 3: All right, We'll see you later. I'd like to see

765
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,039
an adjustment and perception on that, the idea that women

766
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:18,239
are wearing the jewelry with crosses, and so we were

767
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:24,880
seeing it outwardly displayed more my females. It rings sexist

768
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,679
to me. That may not be how he meant it,

769
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,400
but I mean we are seeing cross emblems, cross tattoos,

770
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,760
cross shirts, language about the cross that is being literally

771
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:42,800
held forward as people across the spectrum are moving forward

772
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:48,679
for the interest of dictatorial power and or Christian nationalism

773
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,440
trump Ism Project twenty twenty five. It's not a gender thing,

774
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,039
and I don't think it's being broadcast as such. Let's

775
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:00,480
talk about Canada with a guy named Bill seven eight

776
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,159
zero high. Are you there?

777
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 7: Hey?

778
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,119
Speaker 5: That's how things well.

779
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: Democracy is on fire and I may need asylum when

780
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,639
I come to Canada. I'm going to Alberta in the summer.

781
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,840
But other than that, things are just peachy. What's on

782
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:16,360
your mind.

783
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 5: First off, I'm glad you're coming down. I'm coming up

784
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:23,000
to Calgary. I'm up in Edmonton myself, just north of

785
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,400
so my perspective on this all that you can give

786
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,320
a quick history here in Canada. I grew up with

787
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,039
somebody whose parents were born during the war. My teachers

788
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,679
were people who fought during the war, one of whom

789
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,079
was a victim of interment. I spent my life as

790
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:43,920
a construction worker building the plants they provide the American oil.

791
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,199
I've worked with a lot of Americans. There is, unfortunately

792
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,880
a inborn arrogance that comes with America because it's America first.

793
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,880
America is great, America has done all these things. America

794
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,840
has saved everybody, YadA YadA. I understand where it comes from, etcetera,

795
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,360
et cetera. But my teachers it also taught me that

796
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,960
be ready, they're coming. They will come for us at

797
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,199
some point in time. And I'm watching this happen now.

798
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,320
In some ways, Trump was the greatest thing that happened to

799
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,960
Canada because he exposed the right wing for it was.

800
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,840
But it was the Nazis that I've betrayed you people

801
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,960
like they they're pointing out groups of people saying they're

802
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,440
the problem. They're the problem, and nobody wants to put

803
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,480
two and two together. Glad you guys are doing it

804
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:32,320
now yourself, you know, Aaron. It's good to see. But

805
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,880
up here in Canada, a lot of us has expected

806
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,800
this for a while, the anti American sentiments. It's not

807
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,360
that we don't like Americans as individuals. I love you, dude,

808
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,599
I've bought your books. I hope I can come down

809
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,320
to Calgary and see. I'll have to see all my

810
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,840
finances work. But we sit up here sometimes and we

811
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,400
listen to people who come up, especially in the oil industry.

812
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,159
They come up here and they tell us, oh, yeah,

813
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:57,920
we've come up here to help you because you don't

814
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,000
know what you're doing. I have a Journeyman ticket in

815
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,679
my pocket, this rank around the world. I have a

816
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,039
red seal, which means I can work anywhere in Canada

817
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,599
and it's a respected across the globe. But as far

818
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,519
as the whole situation gets bad up here for you guys,

819
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:16,239
I mean we have rallied. Now. There is stuff on

820
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,920
the shelves. You can buy Reese's pieces two for one.

821
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,119
You could buy all kinds of stuff made in America.

822
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,679
It is on sale. There is no lettuce at my

823
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,760
local grocery store because it was all American. It's wild

824
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,920
up here. You'll get a chance when you come up

825
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,039
to see some of it if you really want. But well,

826
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,880
if the Americans did invade, we're scared of it.

827
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,639
Speaker 3: Looks when I come up, I'm a little worried that

828
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,000
when I crossed the border, Canadians are going to kick

829
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,400
my ass because I'm American, like they're not. They understand

830
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,239
there is a resistance movement here right there. Canadians aren't

831
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:55,719
blanket blaming all of us, I.

832
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:58,679
Speaker 5: Hope not all of you. But the problem is that

833
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:03,400
that the versus the individual, you know what I mean? Yeah,

834
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,280
And I don't know what it is. We have a

835
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,320
group up here that thinks Trump, Olivier or Paul yev

836
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:12,079
are the greatest people going. And our premier is just

837
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,039
like your governor. She's holding his hand as far as

838
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:19,159
I'm concerned, and it just terrifies me. Yeah, anyway, brother,

839
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,519
you'd be safe when you get up here. Hopefully I

840
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:24,840
can get down there and perhaps we will have a

841
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,840
chance to have a beer.

842
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 3: All right, Dave, take care. We'll see you later. American

843
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:36,360
exceptionalism is thankfully dead, Alexis says came about from US

844
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,199
patting themselves on the bank for entering World War Two

845
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,840
at the eleventh hour, fifty ninth minute. I don't know

846
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,599
if that was that late in the game, no, but

847
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:53,679
it certainly did take Pearl Harbor to activate US. American

848
00:52:53,760 --> 00:53:02,159
exceptionalism is such an emotional thing. Number one is a

849
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:07,760
home team, sort of a cheerleader. I mean, it's so thoughtless.

850
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,920
We decided in this country that it's true by declaration,

851
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:16,559
mostly because we didn't understand. Like when I was growing

852
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:19,760
up in a Christian nationalist environment, one nation under God,

853
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,760
we always thought we were the best in the first

854
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,760
but we didn't know anything about the rest of the world.

855
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,719
Natalie got into a and it wasn't an argument, but

856
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,159
it was close with a maga in her relative circle,

857
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,880
and she was like, well, what about this, and what

858
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,119
about the EU? And what about our allies who are

859
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,639
now locking us out of human rights discussions? And what

860
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000
about what about And he just set it out right,

861
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,320
I don't care about the rest of the world. I

862
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:52,960
only care about America. Well, that's bred into people, I mean,

863
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,119
beyond the fact that it's you know, tribalism, which is

864
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:00,400
something we often see throughout the animal kingdom. You will

865
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,280
see family and groups in grouping outgrouping, social tribes and

866
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,880
tribal favoritism, tribal bias.

867
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:08,559
Speaker 7: You know.

868
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:11,199
Speaker 3: Some of that is evolutionary, but a lot of it

869
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,679
stems from just ignorance. We don't know anything about the

870
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:15,119
rest of the world, and we don't want to know.

871
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,039
We don't care. So another country has a better cost

872
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:23,760
of living, We're still number one. Another country is more peaceful,

873
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,719
less warlike. We're still number one. Another country has a

874
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,280
lower crime rate. We're still number one. It doesn't make

875
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,400
any difference what the metrics say. Somehow we freedom better

876
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,920
than other people freedom. Our freedom is more freedomy. It's

877
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,800
just sad. And then we become myopic.

878
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 10: You know.

879
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 3: I opened up my world when I began to see

880
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,079
myself as a citizen of the planet, and I was

881
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,159
reminded that the borders in this world were drawn subjectively

882
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:56,440
by people with their own agendas. Somebody somewhere partitioned out

883
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,239
this piece of land, and somehow the person standing four

884
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,639
feet on the other the side of that dotted line,

885
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,199
they're less and they're less important. Maybe even they're less human.

886
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:11,559
You see it in that context, it really does, I

887
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:18,039
don't know, it really does open things up. Five one three.

888
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:20,360
I don't see a name. What do I call you?

889
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,679
Speaker 12: Yeah, my name is Jim, Hi, Jim.

890
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,119
Speaker 3: Appreciate you waiting on me. What's on your mind today?

891
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 4: Right?

892
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,519
Speaker 12: Well, first off, I just wanted to thank you personally

893
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,719
for giving those of us that don't have a platform

894
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,639
or voice, let's speak for us, and that we all

895
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:38,760
agree with or at least for the most part. I'm

896
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,920
LGBTQ in Cincinnati. I live My father lives with me.

897
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:49,039
He's like ninety three and hardcore Republicans ever since he

898
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,400
was born. I guess most of my family's very religious,

899
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,599
but I got one brother in particular, he's, you know,

900
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,119
a little thicker than the others. I think I'm just

901
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:03,360
mad at all of them for not taking my side

902
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,239
at all, for looking at it and thinking, you know,

903
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,440
I don't count enough to cast a vote in a

904
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,000
different directions. And another part of it is that I'm

905
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,440
angry at the ones that didn't even bother to vote,

906
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,840
who were registered. You know, I don't think anybody's talking

907
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,599
enough about that. There were people that didn't bother to

908
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,719
participate who are perfectly able to. And I just want

909
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,239
to pack my things and leave. And that's kind of

910
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,719
on my itineraries to get out of here as fast

911
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,760
as I can. But I'm waiting, you know, think for

912
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,599
better opportunities, and it's not always easy. You can't just

913
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:39,599
pack your bags and go.

914
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 3: I just looked it up on US News and World Report.

915
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,440
More than one hundred and fifty million Americans did not

916
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,840
go and cast a vote in twenty twenty four. It

917
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,440
blows my mind.

918
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,159
Speaker 12: It's crazy.

919
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: I understand how you feel invalidated if members of my

920
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,280
family vote for a dictator. I want to be king

921
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,920
aligned with Christian nationalists favoring a single religion in contrast

922
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,760
to the intent of the founding and propagating harm to

923
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,960
the causes and people I care about, and I know

924
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:23,519
they voted for that. I feel personally betrayed. That's how

925
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:31,760
you feel, right, yeah, yeah, And then like builds up, right,

926
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,559
you feel resentful. How dare you? How could you? Don't

927
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,880
you understand? And then you feel totally invalidated, and you

928
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,400
don't want to spend time in their company because they've

929
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,360
they're no longer on your side.

930
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: Oh.

931
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,639
Speaker 12: Absolutely, it's it's if you're not with me, you're against

932
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:49,360
me at this point.

933
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: So do you have a connection or have you distanced yourselves?

934
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,280
I know we and our family have distanced ourselves. We

935
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,880
just we just like you know how.

936
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 9: I haven't to.

937
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 12: It hasn't been too difficult to distance myself. But you know,

938
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,039
I'm taking care of my dad, which is you know,

939
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:11,000
there's no one else the wonderful Christians that they are here,

940
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:12,039
I am taking care of them.

941
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: Well, left it up to the atheist to go in

942
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,920
and wow, yeah exactly.

943
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,079
Speaker 12: But that's really all I wanted to say. You know,

944
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:22,880
I just I know I'm not the only one, but

945
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I just don't hear people talking about it, you know,

946
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,960
the ones that didn't even bother and it kills me.

947
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 3: Okay, well, let me chew you on that for a second.

948
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:33,280
The problem is, you know, people say stuff and then

949
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,880
my little pea brain starts to you know, activate, and

950
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,679
then I say something that may be intelligent or really stupid.

951
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,199
Let's find out next. But I appreciate your call. Thanks

952
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:44,800
so much for being a Thanks so much for being.

953
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,679
Speaker 12: A part of this my call. I appreciate it.

954
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:50,079
Speaker 3: All right, We'll see you later. So what countries have

955
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,039
mandated voting, where if you're a citizen, you were required

956
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:57,440
by law to cast to vote. And I've had this conversation,

957
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:04,880
should we mandate voting? If you're going to be a

958
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,559
citizen of this country, you have a responsibility. And I

959
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:14,360
become two people. One person says, damn skippy, if you

960
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,239
are a citizen, get your ass out and vote. And

961
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:26,039
then I flip and I say, the epidemic of disinformation, ignorance,

962
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,519
and bigotry in this country. Do I really want the

963
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:32,519
people who were opting out in the first place to

964
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,960
go in and lend their voice? Are they Are these

965
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:40,000
the votes that we really wish to count in a

966
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,079
culture where people doubt basic science. They might think the

967
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:47,039
Earth is flat or that we didn't land on the moon,

968
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,239
you know, the Joe Roganites, Do we really want them

969
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,920
to be like, yeah, man, I guess I gotta go vote. Now,

970
00:59:56,239 --> 01:00:00,480
where's the polling place? Hopefully GPS will get me there. Yeah,

971
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:04,960
I don't know where I'm going. People who sit around

972
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,280
all day and get their information about the world from Newsmax,

973
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,559
dot Freedom, dot Egle, dot Trump, Dotmerica dot com. Do

974
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:15,760
I really want those people casting a vote. I mean,

975
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,559
I guess that's the dark side of the democratic process.

976
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,320
Everybody has a voice. The good side is everybody has

977
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,000
a voice. The bad side is everybody's got a voice.

978
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:27,920
It's terrifying. So I go back and forth. Mandated voting, Yes,

979
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,320
you have a responsibility, and then the other side is,

980
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:37,360
oh my god, do I really want these people participating?

981
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,480
Do they get to sit at the adult table or

982
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:43,679
should we put them out over there? There's the little

983
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:47,360
card table with the plastic kiddy chairs of multiple colors.

984
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:53,000
Will give you clay and crayons, will give you amusements.

985
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:57,519
And then whenever we are done having the adult discussion

986
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:01,840
and making adult decisions, then we'll everybody in the minivan

987
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:07,800
and will go someplace happy. I don't know. I don't know.

988
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,599
Do you think we should have mandatory voting? I don't know.

989
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:19,559
I'm two people, two people, much more conversation to be had,

990
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:29,039
and we will continue right after this. Thanks for your

991
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:33,119
support on Patreon, you get the show early and commercial free.

992
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:36,880
Most people just support because they want to support the show,

993
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:41,280
and you can as well Patreon dot com. Slash Seth

994
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:48,199
Andrews Ray is calling area code three oh one.

995
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:48,719
Speaker 5: You with me?

996
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how are you doing. I'm well, let's talk

997
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:53,280
what's on your mind.

998
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:57,239
Speaker 14: Earlier you were talking about the people who say government

999
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,320
should be run like a business.

1000
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,239
Speaker 5: Talk about that, because.

1001
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,159
Speaker 14: If we were to grant that Trump is running it

1002
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:11,119
what he thinks a business is and Musk, they don't

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01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,800
have any value for goodwill, which is really essential for

1004
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,920
a business. Even to say we're running it like a business.

1005
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,440
They're running it like a terrible business, a business that

1006
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:23,639
will fail. And I just wanted to kind of put

1007
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:26,320
that out there. How these businessmen and these people who

1008
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,239
support this idea don't value goodwill, which is like something

1009
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:32,480
you learn in business school that it is important.

1010
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,199
Speaker 3: Well, let me make sure I understand you. Ray, That's

1011
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:38,079
all I do. Say a business serves its customer base,

1012
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:41,840
and a happy customer means that customer benefits from the

1013
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,800
product and they then return and become loyal customers. So,

1014
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,519
if we were forced to use a business attitude about

1015
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:55,400
the government, the government wants a well fulfilled, well served,

1016
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,079
and happy customer. Is that kind of what you're saying. Yeah,

1017
01:02:59,079 --> 01:02:59,800
that's pretty close.

1018
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:03,599
Speaker 14: Not only a happy customer, but a reliable vendor too.

1019
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,079
If you're getting parts from somewhere. You want them to

1020
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:08,800
know that you're going to pay them for those parts.

1021
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,039
You need a reliability and stability in your relationships. That's

1022
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,239
part of good will too.

1023
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,599
Speaker 3: That's interesting, I guess if we had to, And again,

1024
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,719
I know what angle you're taking. Again. You and I

1025
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,440
don't think governments are businesses, but I like the angle,

1026
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:27,440
oh hell, that a government certainly is serving a let's

1027
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,800
call it a client base, even though we're taxpayers and

1028
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,800
the government is supposed to serve us. But even if

1029
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,719
you reverse that model, it's doing a piss poor job

1030
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:41,159
of having happy customers, well served and earning client loyalty. Yeah,

1031
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:45,239
all right, thanks for interjecting and taking a little time

1032
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,840
out of your day. Take care of yourself, you too, Thanks,

1033
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:51,679
see you later. White Ravens said, I think Trump is

1034
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:58,079
actively trying to start World War three. Trump has the

1035
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:01,880
weak man's perception of what's this. There's one thing to

1036
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:08,960
use strength, to build, to create, to defend, to protect.

1037
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:18,480
You use whatever strength you have to be a pro social, positive, constructive, laudable, admirable,

1038
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,599
honorable force in this world. And then there's this sort

1039
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:25,519
of perception of manhood where you got to go out

1040
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:28,440
and conquer the week. And you know, Trump's always separating

1041
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,599
people into the week and the strong, the winners, and

1042
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:32,880
the losers. I mean, just count the number of times

1043
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,760
he's called his enemies weak or small. And I think,

1044
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:41,360
in his mind, conquerors conquer, and so oh yeah, gimme Greenland,

1045
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,880
give me the Panama can Yeah, Canada, let's make that

1046
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,400
the fifty first state, because in his mind, I think

1047
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,800
he wants his legacy to be one of the conqueror

1048
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,039
who expanded territory, no matter how laughable it is. You're like,

1049
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:58,599
Jesus Christ is Canada. What are you thinking? But in

1050
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,440
his mind, he's like, wow, look at all that anchorage.

1051
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:06,719
When he's talking about taking Gaza essentially ethnically cleansing Gaza

1052
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,519
and turning the whole place into Trump resort, you know,

1053
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:15,119
saying this, he sees that conquerors must conquer, and so

1054
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:17,880
he's looking around for shit that he can acquire and

1055
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:24,440
then put his brand on. Robin at six oh five, Hi,

1056
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,719
thanks for calling, Hey, sis, I can Robin, let's talk.

1057
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:30,800
What's on your mind?

1058
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 13: Well, I just mention in chat where I go about

1059
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,320
third party voting. I just cannot believe that people have

1060
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:41,719
not realized that right now we've got you were either

1061
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,760
going to be on this side or that side. You

1062
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,800
cannot be voting for third parties. We've got to have

1063
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,239
some kind of unification of resistance. And I know everyb

1064
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,239
he's mad as Democrats, pursumer and everything. And I kind

1065
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:57,840
of thought about this a little bit, and I listened

1066
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,320
to a few podcasts on this, and maybe now it's

1067
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,039
not the time for humor to make that stand, you know.

1068
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:06,199
I mean, there may be a time later when this

1069
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,760
resistance is stronger, that it's time to fight this Bending

1070
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,719
bill is only good for six months, so you know

1071
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,039
we're going to do this again in September. And so

1072
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,679
I just I don't know that Timber necessarily made the

1073
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,360
bad choice. Right this time in this country, we have

1074
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,119
the chance of winning the two people. It's either a

1075
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,280
Democrat or a reprebilent Goods going to win. It's not

1076
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,760
our party candidate that's gonna win, not for not for

1077
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,400
a major part in a major election. Ye, and we

1078
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:40,239
have to either stand against the Republicans or for them

1079
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,840
one or the other. You have to be on one

1080
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:42,440
side or the other.

1081
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 3: You bring to the four the reality that more than

1082
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,519
one thing can be true at the same time, where

1083
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:51,880
right now the perfect is the enemy of the good,

1084
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,119
or right now the goods the enemy of the evil.

1085
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,480
But we can still be pissed at the Democrats. And

1086
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:02,400
I'm a Democrat. I read this Democrat, I'm pissed. I'm

1087
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,519
mad at my party. Where the hell's the backbone, where's

1088
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:10,039
the organization, where's the mounted resistance? And that can be true.

1089
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,000
And I can also say the only way this gets

1090
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:16,960
courts corrected is if you support the only party that

1091
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:20,079
has a shot defeating them in the future. And it

1092
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:22,639
ain't Green Party, and it's not an independent, it's not

1093
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,559
some pie in the sky protest to vote out there.

1094
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:28,519
Speaker 13: I feel like that the third party vote, you know,

1095
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:31,320
the protest voting didn't work, and I just can't believe

1096
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,480
that anybody would think that it would. I mean, after

1097
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:37,239
what we saw happened, you know in this last election,

1098
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,880
we need all of the Democrats, We need all of

1099
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,440
the people who care about America. We need all of

1100
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:46,159
them to vote against the Republicans.

1101
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:50,199
Speaker 3: I'm all right, preach and thank you and take care

1102
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:50,920
and we'll see you later.

1103
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:51,559
Speaker 10: Thank you.

1104
01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: Sale all right, looks like I have another third party call.

1105
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,519
It is Lucy at four eight zero high and Lucy,

1106
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,199
what's up?

1107
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:05,119
Speaker 7: I said, thank you so much for bringing up this topic. Yeah,

1108
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:09,719
this real quickly, I can give you okay, real quick.

1109
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,559
So my background is I was raised in a cult.

1110
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:16,199
I was this fellowship from that cult. I have had

1111
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,800
to lose three generations of family to religion. So I

1112
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:26,000
also am an assault survivor and I will never vote

1113
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:32,000
for a rapist. And unfortunately, the Democrats put up an

1114
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:36,600
individual who had a credible assault charge against him. So

1115
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,359
what are you going to do for people like me?

1116
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,119
Speaker 3: Biden's assault charge was what.

1117
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:44,399
Speaker 7: Credible?

1118
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1119
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,359
Speaker 10: I know that he was accused.

1120
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,079
Speaker 3: He was accused of what and when.

1121
01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,399
Speaker 7: He was accused of sexual harassment in the workplace by

1122
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:01,399
terror Reid.

1123
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 3: I know that there were narratives about him being like

1124
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:12,079
a creepy hair sniffing kind of dude. I saw all that,

1125
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,119
and those were that was just mere propaganda. But forgive

1126
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:22,239
me for not being more well versed in this accusation.

1127
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:26,279
I would be interested, certainly to know if there was

1128
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,760
a credible accusation. I want to know who the accuser is.

1129
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,960
I want to know the context and who broadcast it.

1130
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,920
But when Biden switched to Kamala when Biden switched then

1131
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:40,600
and it became Kamala who was a strong, qualified black

1132
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,279
female representing the party. Would that have been a more

1133
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:45,439
palatable choice for you?

1134
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 7: Yes, However, the way that the DNC ran it and

1135
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:58,079
just chose to appoint her instead of allowing the constituents

1136
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:01,239
to make that choice in a primary seems a little

1137
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:02,600
authoritarian to me.

1138
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 11: What do you think?

1139
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,239
Speaker 3: Well, was your vote a protest vote about someone accused

1140
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:12,800
of sexual misconduct or was it an authoritarian vote an

1141
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,239
anti authoritarian vote?

1142
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:15,079
Speaker 4: My?

1143
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 10: Oh, it was neither.

1144
01:10:18,039 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 7: My vote was for a candidate that I thought would

1145
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,880
actually represented what I believe our country should be offering

1146
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:28,560
its working class citizens.

1147
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 3: Well, then yours is a disagreement from the Democratic Party

1148
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:43,359
on philosophy. But do you see the Democrats as equal

1149
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:49,359
or as evil as what's happening now in the dismantling

1150
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,640
of democracy and the assault on our allies, whether it's

1151
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:57,600
non Christians, LGBT people, immigrants, the rest of the world.

1152
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,520
I mean, do you see these as equal? Do you

1153
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:08,359
feel like that this was worth a protest vote? Yeah?

1154
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 7: Absolutely I do, and thank you for the question. Because

1155
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:18,119
Democrats continue to put up anti abortion candidates like Collier

1156
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:23,119
in Texas, Democrats are not the answer for working class citizens.

1157
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,039
And I have friends that live in Texas, and so

1158
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:33,520
when Democrat leadership decides to support a candidate who does

1159
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:38,119
not hold Democrat values, that is a problem in my book,

1160
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,039
and I won't vote for them if they continue to

1161
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:45,600
put up candidates who actually harm us.

1162
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 3: Okay, well, from what I can tell, and forgive me,

1163
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:56,000
this is just a first blush, but apparently Tara Reid

1164
01:11:56,119 --> 01:12:01,720
has a history of making false statements about where she lived,

1165
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,600
what she did, what her credibility was, what her credentials were,

1166
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,239
and then she defected to Russia. So do you do

1167
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:14,600
any of those give you concern?

1168
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,079
Speaker 7: You know, not at all, not at all, because it

1169
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:27,319
didn't My vote for Biden was irrelevant. Even if I

1170
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:31,960
could have voted for Biden in the last election, the

1171
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:34,720
DNC decided not to.

1172
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 13: And that.

1173
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:42,319
Speaker 7: Screams authoritary. I don't know why you're not also upset

1174
01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:46,399
about that that they just deleted the primary and appointed

1175
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:46,840
a queen.

1176
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,239
Speaker 3: Well she wasn't though, I mean, if you think about

1177
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,079
what Kamala would have done, and I'm going to finish

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this sentence, did the.

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Speaker 7: Democrats run a primary that I don't know about.

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Speaker 3: They did not run a primary, but there was a

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candidate in place who was not running on the dismantling

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of democracy and becoming a king. Right, the platform is

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what we're voting for, right, which is why I would

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have voted for Biden, even though he was a terrible candidate,

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because I'm voting for the platform. I'm voting for the

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platform that wants to do student loan forgiveness, that sees

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us as a citizen of the world, that wants to

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protect LGBT rights and isn't vilifying trans people, and wants

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to protect gay marriage and a woman's right to choose,

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and the legalization of recreational drugs without vilifying people who

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use them. Blah blah, blah blah blah. This is a platform.

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This is an entire culture that I don't see as

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remotely equivalent to what we are seeing now in Trump

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is Stan. We are watching the wholesale, rapid fire, systematic

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dismantling of everything that the United States is supposed to

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represent under a king or a self appointed king and

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his I guess co king who has given a bunch

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of college kids access to yours and mind entire financial future,

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the power to wreck everything. Right, this is not remotely equivalent. Agree,

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So because third party gets us nowhere, per third party

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only enables the Republican party.

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Speaker 13: Right.

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Speaker 3: The idea that we would not say, okay, well one

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01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:27,079
platform versus the other is one is better than the other.

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That's the discussion that we have to have. I didn't

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Kamala didn't run as a queen. Kamala ran as a

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candidate and on a platform that is more egalitarian.

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Speaker 7: Commercials, they were trying to make her a queen.

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't see anything. I didn't see your posting

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pictures of herself and a crown. I didn't see her

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talking about her as much as she talked about all

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of us.

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Speaker 7: All Right, I just want to respond. You did bring

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01:14:58,039 --> 01:14:59,920
up quite a few different things, but I just want

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respond on the one thing, which is you are voting

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:10,239
for a platform, but the voters when I go and vote,

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I have to actually vote for a person who I

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believe will go into government and do the things that

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I want them to do. However, the Democrats do not

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put up candidates who reflect working class needs, desires, want

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whatever you want to name them. The individuals that they

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put up won't actually do the things that even you

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just stated. Biden had a chance to cancel student debt

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a few years ago, and he didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's an incomplete that's an incomplete claim.

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He was He put it up on several occasions and

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attempted to make it happen, and was the ward by

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the Republican Party that a third party vote enables. Right,

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01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,359
his goal was to do it. He was on the

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front lines for doing it. Let me ask you this.

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Kamala Harris starts in a low to middle class family,

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climbs up through the ranks, puts herself through law school,

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and ends up being attorney general in one of the

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largest states of the Union. Right, so tell me how

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this makes her a queen. Tell me how her saying

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that we are all in this together, we all are

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Americans trying to She actually spoken very I say, conciliatory language,

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trying to bring the parties together, whether or not strategically

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that was smart or not. But when she spoke, it

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wasn't me, me me. Donald Trump takes the stage and

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01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,840
he says, I alone can fix it. I'm the smartest

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01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,920
I know more, I'm the one I'm the King. None

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of that language came out of Kamala Harris. So I'm

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,479
trying to understand where this perception of her as the

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authoritarian queen comes from.

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Speaker 10: Oh, she didn't have.

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Speaker 7: To say it, because the DNC just refused to listen

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to their voters. The DNC actually went to court in

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twenty sixteen, Seth, and they said, we are a corporation.

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We don't have to listen to our voters. Please look

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it up, everybody, please look it up. The DNC not

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,359
listen to its voters. So why would I vote for

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Democrats who don't listen to my vote?

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01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:33,239
Speaker 3: All right, well, I'll do my due diligence and look

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for that quote that at the moment is unsourced and

1256
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,319
see if someone in the Democratic Party said that. But again,

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I mean, if you want to anecdote me, great. I'm

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talking about the entire platform, which I see as one

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that more represents us, that more supports in America, that

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looks like all of us and not just one person,

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and is not hero worship. And I think third party

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voting enabled the authoritarian and the enemy of democracy that

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is happening today. But I hear you, I appreciate you.

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I promise you. I give you my word that I

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will do. I will do my due diligence, and I

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will explore the claims that you have made. And all

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I ask is that perhaps you do the same.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Yeah, absolutely, have a good one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate it. Let's see zombie reushu who is

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calling on the web? Zombie? I just like saying that

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when I talk to Collers, welcome, what's going on?

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Speaker 10: Good to hear from you again? Can you hear me? Fine?

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Speaker 3: You called me good to hear from you? What's going on? Zombie?

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Speaker 10: I wanted to Well, first of all, I disagree profoundly

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with that lady. She does and know what she's talking about.

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We did have a Democratic primary, Biden and Kamala Harris.

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We were overwhelmingly and I do mean overwhelmingly one victories

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in their in their primary. The only the only reason

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that that we wound up with Kamala Harris as the

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main candidate and she had to pick a pick a

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VP after the fact was because the Democratic Party pushed

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Biden out because he was too old.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, I mean it was a package deal.

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I think when you voted for the for Biden, you

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were voting.

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Speaker 10: For the primary. Yeah, yes, I understand, and I voted

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for Kamala Harris happily, proudly. I I I do not

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regret my vote, my vote for one in one for

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one moment, and I would vote for Kamala Harris again.

1290
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I don't think she'll run again. But still that's not

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actually the main thing, the thing that I called it. Okay,

1292
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what did you grow up watching Babylon five.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're gonna get me in trouble. No, I was

1294
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a Star Trek next Gen, but not a Babylon five viewers.

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So you're going to have to babysit me through whatever

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you're about to say next.

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Speaker 10: Okay, okay, this is unfortunate. Unfortunately, President Trump's coup very

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strongly resembles that of President Clark's coup on Earth in

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Babylon five extremely closely. I've heard Jake bro who is

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a pro Unit Ukrainian YouTuber, and I apologize if what

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I'm saying comes out as gibberish. It's part of my disability.

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I have sirbral palsy, So bear with me.

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Speaker 3: You're doing five. Start at the beginning. So there is

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01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,920
a character in Babylon five who came to power in

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a way that you think is much like how Trump

1306
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has come to power.

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Speaker 10: Exactly. It's it's almost it's almost beat for beat, with

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the exception of in being trans people. It's it's actual

1309
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space aliens. And there actually is a trans kind of

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metaphor in Babylon five because one of the primary female

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cast members, because who is born of a member of

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a purely alien species called the Mimbari, becomes a half

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human Mimbari hybrid.

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Speaker 3: Wow. So all right, to make sure I'm tracking, there

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were there was a state of emergency declared against the other,

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and the other had come to essentially ruin the party,

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and so the authoritarian scared him, scared everybody into voting

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him into power, and then he ruled with an iron fist.

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Am I close?

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Speaker 10: There are some yes, there there are some differences, okay,

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But the President Clark rose to power. He was actually

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elected vice President of Earth. His original the president above

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him was was named Louis Santiago. Three years into Louis

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Santiago's term, uh President Clark planned had mister Morden, who

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was one of the who was one of the Shadows associates,

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planned a bomb on Earth Force one and blew him

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up on while he was visited, while he was scheduled

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to take a trip to Io. He was then inaugurated

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as president. He was only supposed to serve out one

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year and then a new election was held. However, a

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01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,600
shadow vessel was discovered buried on Mars and as a

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result of that, as a result of that, President Clark

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issued a decree declaring he then convened it he can.

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He then convened a session of the Senate in Geneva, Switzerland.

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And when he did the and and and when he

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did that, there was a When he did that, he

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orchestrated a coup where he had the where he had

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the capitol building attacked by his supporters wielding guns and

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shot most of the senators. Some of them got away,

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but a lot of them died.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hm, that's that's fascinating.

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Speaker 5: The go ahead, uh he uh.

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Speaker 10: He took over his ultra conservative viewpoints, then took over

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the media. He had, he had his storm. He actually

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had kind of like we had Maga here. He had

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an organization, a quasi non governmental organization called the night Watch,

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which was very which was full of just racist and fascist,

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although in this case, instead of being racist and fascist

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01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,680
against the brown brown people. They were racist and fascists

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against space, against actual space aliens, as in people from

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other planet who were living on Earth at the time.

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Speaker 3: I may have to come back and watch reruns of

1353
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Babylon five. I was again, I was next gen, a

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little bit of voyager.

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Speaker 7: I understand.

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Speaker 3: Don't crucify me.

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Speaker 4: But.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I understand Babylon. This generation is very europe and

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social democracy centric, where post co up is very post

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capitalistic social social democracy, where there is Earth is ruled

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by a prime minister and there's like there's proportional representation

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and free elections, and there's both a prime minister and

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a president. So it looks like France or the European Union.

1364
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That's the model of That's the model of Star Trekt.

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The next generation Earth in Babylon five is very much

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the US. It's there's just a president, only a Senate,

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and but no House of representa natives and only a

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and a and a judiciary branch.

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Speaker 3: My Ron, Well, we could probably talk about that. You

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can probably educate me on five seasons of Babylon how

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many many seasons there were, But all I can say

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is that's there were five. It's interesting to me, And

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uh yeah, I'd like to see what other people in

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the comments have to say about that link. And that's

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fascinating stuff often sci fi. I think it provides great

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commentary on society and history.

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Speaker 10: It does, that's one of the things. Because one of

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the things that frightens me about this is President Clark

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didn't lose. He did manage to take over Earth and

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and he started bombing Mars. Okay he I mean he

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he didn't. His coup was a success. It took him

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a long time to do it. It took him. But

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here here's the thing. Earth lived under martial law for

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three or four years before before he was finally toppled.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, and I will look into maybe when I'm on

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a plane, I will download some episodes and and give

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it a shot. Zombie, So.

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Speaker 10: I think that you could learn a lot from it.

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Because here's the thing. I'm actually scared that we're pretty

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much done for when it comes to Trump. And I

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think that that lady who called earlier was completely delusional

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because again I had absolutely no reservations voting for Kamala Harris.

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My the thing is is that this is actually this,

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this whole situation has broken up my family, my I

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mean my if my if my father was still alive,

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we would have already fled the country by now, my my,

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I mean my father probably would have been purged in

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the doge if you were again, if if if he

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were still alive, he would have been purged in the

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dose because he was a government employee. He was a

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he was a doctor that worked for a that worked

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for an army hospital. So I mean my dad would

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have would have I mean, this would be a six

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alarm if there is such a thing as a six

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alarm fire, I don't have heard his place. We would

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all my dad would have already you know, sold the houses,

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moved to him and gotten us to Canada or something

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like that. I'm trying to do so independently, to to

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try to leave the country for the US, and I

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have failed thus far. Okay, but my dad, my dad

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would have my dad would have been absolutely livid had

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he seen had he lived to see this future, I

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mean he and because we sat there back in the

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nineties and watched the Babylon five together, and to sit

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there and watch what is really really similar to what

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happened in Babylon five, happened in the US and I

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and I want to keep in mind that I want

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to hold up for hope that you know, eventually, against

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all odds, democracy will prevail and we will somehow, we

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will somehow get you know, have another election and elect

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somebody else who isn't Donald Trump and push the Republicans

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out of power. I don't think we're going to get that.

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In fact, I think that there might be. I wouldn't

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be surprised if before there are elections in twenty twenty

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01:28:25,279 --> 01:28:27,560
six for the House and Senate that we get a

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martial law to decree from Trump and then elections will

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simply be canceled.

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Speaker 3: Anything's possible. Years ago, I would have thought there was

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a bottom, and today I just think maybe there's not.

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But I'm going to keep fighting and I go.

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Speaker 10: I knew that I knew that this was this was

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that that that this is the way that it would

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eventually go, because I've seen this behavior. I had seen

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mega like behavior during the George W. Bush years. Now,

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George W. Bush didn't didn't didn't feed into it like this,

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but all of the statements about making more babies and

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stopping abortion, all of that was and impeaching judges, all

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of that was coming from the pulpit during the Bush years,

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during the early years of the war on terrorism.

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Speaker 3: All right, I mean, I mean what we're seeing definitely

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is half century effort zombie. And obviously you're very impassionate

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about this subject, as many of us are. So thank

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01:29:36,199 --> 01:29:38,439
you very much for being a part of today's discussion.

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You just take care, yeah, I We'll see you later. Oh, look,

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01:29:44,199 --> 01:29:51,439
super chats, let's see. I want to make sure Seth.

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01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:55,039
Could you talk about the possibility Dems aren't doing much

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due to legit threats to self and family by the

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oligarchs and such. Have I read this one? I don't

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01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,760
think so, LJ. Thank you for the super chat.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I think many people are terrified what happens when a

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guy worth four hundred billion dollars is your enemy and

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01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,760
we know they're capable of tremendous dirty tricks and ruining

1454
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,760
lives and you know before if they activate even one

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01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,640
extremist to declare war on you, or they put your

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01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,119
kids in danger. I mean, I'm sure there's there are

1457
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threats that many of us haven't even envisioned. So I'm

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01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:29,199
sure fear and you know, people are having a cost

1459
01:30:29,279 --> 01:30:32,279
benefit as to how bad am I going to take

1460
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it in the teeth and how in danger do I

1461
01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:36,439
want to be? But I also think we need to

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01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,880
be on the right side of history. Paul said, what

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01:30:40,119 --> 01:30:43,800
disheartens me is the progressives attack on Schumer and on

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01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,439
anyone who thinks shutting the government right now would be

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01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,359
stopped Trump or Elon. I'm not a huge fan of

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01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:55,680
Shumer's move, but I'm not an expert in this. I

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01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,359
know shutting down the government harms it a lot of people,

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01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:04,560
But I'm back to wishing the Democrats would show solidarity against,

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01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,600
you know, the atrocities that are happening. A supersticker from

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01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:16,680
TMF J l J said, how acute or extreme might

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the oligarch threats be to dem leaders to cause this

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01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:25,039
degree of inaction? I think we I think we covered that.

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When they say Democrats they mean n words. Who's they

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01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,159
and which Democrats? I don't know. I'm not a fan

1475
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:41,720
of blanket statements. DJ gifted a membership. Lovely Robin says

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01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:46,119
we must be united divided. We fall for the support

1477
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:48,560
and for your words. I thank you so very much,

1478
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:52,239
lovely time with you as we spend almost what two

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01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:55,239
hours talking about the stuff that was on our minds.

1480
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,000
I hope it's been entertaining for you. I will see

1481
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,560
you back here on a show. The next show, I

1482
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,159
think is going to be a conversation between me and

1483
01:32:05,359 --> 01:32:09,119
Forrest Valci. You never have to do a lot of

1484
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:13,640
prep with Forrest Valci. You sit in a chair and

1485
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,760
you put a mic, you put a microphone on Forest Valci,

1486
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:22,279
and then you just hang in. An hour goes like that,

1487
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,399
And that's what's gonna happen, and it's going to be

1488
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,760
a freaking roller coaster. You're gonna love it. And we've

1489
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,279
got that and more coming up here as we approach,

1490
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,279
slowly approach the month of April. Be good, take care,

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01:32:36,359 --> 01:32:37,039
I'll see you later.

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