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But everyone in a while, I have a guest even
over there, and I record those segments as they're streamed live,
and I like to bring them over to here to
the podcast audience so you guys can enjoy those discussions
as well. And this episode is a really fun one.
It's a Jody Cook, who was one of the key
figures in the dog man community in the United States
and probably the world. He joined me on the live
stream and we had a great discussion about all things
dog man and had a good time. So I was like, well,
let's bring that over here to the podcast so you
guys can enjoy it as well. So buckle up for
part one of two episodes that will be coming forward
about my discussion with Jody Cook and the incredible dog Man.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, hang on, we're going in.
We are joined today by a gentleman that probably needs
absolutely no introduction because he has been one of the
driving forces in the dog man field for a long
time and cryptozoology in general. Just an incredibly nice guy,
and it's his first appearance on the show. But he
is the founder of the North American dog Man Project.
He is an author and avid researcher himself, and he
is here to talk all things dog man encryptids. So,
ladies and gentlemen, we're going to dive into it right away.
Let me introduce to you. For any of you that
might not know who's here, we are welcoming mister Jody
Cook to the show. Hello, Jody, How.
Speaker 3: You doing pretty good? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing excellent. I'm really excited that you're here because
dog man is a topic that there's it's you know,
like with bigfoot stories, with ghost stories, with UFO stories,
there's a ton of claims and stuff out there, and
I think there's a lot of dog man stuff out
there as well. But I love the topic of dog man.
But as a as a show host, and as a
person that does a show, it's tough to find those
people like yourself. I think when it comes to dogmen,
we have a lot of questions and there's a lot
of a lot of different routes of information that go
on in this topic. And so I'm really thrilled that
you're here to kind of straighten it out and take
us on your journey. So thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. And I asked you this before
the show, But I think this is always a big
curiosity for me, and I'm sure the audience will will
agree with this. But where did this start for you?
How did how did Jodie Cook end up going down
these rabbit holes and doing this journey?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: God? Actually, when I was a kid it all started.
You know. I was really into like UFOs and so forth,
And like I was telling you, I think it was
like sixth grade maybe in the early nineteen seventies. There
was this huge UFO flap that was going across the
country and we were in our class and the art
teachers like draw us a picture of what you think
alien and UFO looks like and stuff, and it was
like yeah, maybe, yeah, you know, And I mean it
just kind of always fell into that, was always always
into that. And then I saw the Legend of Boggy
Creek with my brothers. Now that movie scared a crap
out of me literally and really got into the bigfoot stuff.
And it's just that's how it all started, and it's
from there on. Man, I I just ran with it.
Speaker 4: M hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I don't. I think it's kind of
interesting that that legend of Buggy Creek was like the
gateway drug for a lot of people into this world.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah. You know. We were in my
bedroom was we had this old cherry tree in the
backyard and it was the trunk and it had like
literally had like two branches that went out, and part
of the right above the branches, part of it was
the tree was cut off, so it looked like it
looked like a monster was like standing there with his
hands up. And you know, I remember it was raining
and it was lighting lightning, and the things out the window.
It's like, that's the Buggy Creek monster. You know, literally
scared the crap out of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but that's what.
Speaker 3: Makes it fun, you know. The the unknown and the
chills that it puts down your spine and things. That's
what makes it fun, and that that makes you more
and more interested, you know, in the subject because now
you want answers. And you know, I kind of ran
with it, and you know, as I was getting older,
I kind of kind of got out of it because
I discovered girls, and you know, I got to be
a little bit older and kind of you know, got
back into it. And you know, it was always there,
but as I got older, I was able to travel
and do more things and do investigations and so forth.
And the dog man stuff really started for me in
nineteen eighty five. And that was like the very first
time I heard about the alleged LBL massacre. Yeah, I
was on the Sheriff's apartment at the time, and I
remember I was down in uh, Kentucky on a seminar,
police seminar, and I was down there, uh just listening
to it and talking with other people. And then Nason
really good friends with some different police officers, and excuse me,
we went out get it, you know, some drinks, and
then we just started talking about some you know, crazy stuff.
Excuse me. You know that we saw and the one
officer he is, uh, we you know, I got a
call for this attack that took place that you know,
laying between the lakes, and I was one of the
officers that responded there, not one of the initial officers,
but one of the many officers that ended up showing up.
And he said that, you know, this camper was tore apart,
you know, the mother and the father was killed. Uh
you know, a little girl was missing. And here's the
thing about the LBL stuff. The legend is that you know,
it was the mother, father, the son, and a daughter. Okay, well,
this officer never mentioned the son at all. He only
mentioned the mother and a father, you know, the missing
daughter because they found clothing of a little girl. And
he talked about how one of the officers found the child,
you know, mounted in a tree. And the father, you know,
was ripped apart. His arm was ripped off and he
had some hair in his arm his hand, and the
mother was killed inside the trader or the camper brother,
and she was like basically she was killed by the
door and the door was busted in. So they believed
that she was trying to protect the little girl that
was hidden in the room. And this thing killed her
and then got into the room and grabbed the child.
And that is like that was the very first time
I ever heard that story. And this this event allegedly
happened like in nineteen eighty two, maybe nineteen eighty three,
No one really really knows. And I kind of got
into it and I started going down Land between the
Lakes and talking to other people and through the whole process,
you know, I probably talked to maybe six or seven
different police officers who stated they were there, but I
was taken to two different locations where the incident allegedly happened.
And that was kind of the problem with the Land
between the Lakes master is that you know, you talk
to people who say they were there, but you know,
you're looking at two different locations, you know, and things
and it's hard, you know, to try and do an investigation.
And you're talking with fellow police officers that you know,
you're taking their work right, you know, this is what happened,
But at night it kind of just can discover things
because both locations, like we're really close to each other. Okay, okay, okay,
so that probably could have been the problem, you know there.
So from there on like you said, you know, I
was really getting into the you know, the dog man stuff,
and that's basically how started.
Speaker 2: So let me let me just you know, address the
elephant in the room because some people, some people are
even saying, oh, that never happened, nothing ever happened to
Land between the Lakes. It's it's fiction. Then you get
the variations of the story. But did it happen in
your estimation like there was this was a real event
that occurred.
Speaker 3: In my opinion. Okay, I've been to Land between the
Lakes three dozen times. Okay, Okay, I've talked to dozens
of people. Okay, there's to be honest with you, Okay,
there's there's maybe four maybe five researchers that's actually done
hardcore research at LBL. Okay, it was myself, Barton Nutley,
Tim Coombo, JG. J C. Johnson, and J. C. Johnson
was like really the first on the ground when this
incident actually happened. So so we're of the most has
actually done more stuff at LBL from the beginning. Okay,
now you've got a lot of people help out, holler.
They're doing a fantastic job down there at LBL. But
in my opinion from all the research that I've done,
all the people are talking have done, I'm on a
fifty to fifty that it actually happened. Okay, Okay, Now,
did something happen at LBL? I believe something did happen? Okay?
Is there something there at LBL? Yes, there are definitely
something there. I found a lot of signs that there's
something there. But when it comes to the massacre itself, Okay,
there's so many people that has investigated it, so many
different stories, everything has changed. I just I found no
physical evidence that it actually happened other than word of mouth.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. I could be one hundred percent wrong,
But you know, like I said, investigating it since nineteen
eighty five, I'm on the mix that I'm fifty to
fifty on it happened and it didn't happen. But I'm
positive something did happen here. Okay, Okay, Now, let me
let me go a little bit further, if you don't mind.
Speaker 2: No, it's all the floor's years.
Speaker 3: Now. We had a gentleman contact us who was dying
of cancer. Okay. Now, he worked for the state of
Kentucky and he did some stuff at LBL. Okay, didn't
work for LBL, but he has done stuff at LBL. Now,
playing between lakes is probably some of the best fishing
in Kentucky. A lot of people go there to fish. Okay,
he went fishing one morning, got there about four in
the morning, say to about seven. It was getting colder.
It was like an our October, I think. He said,
there's fog on the river. So he gets in his
boat and he's going along the shoreline. Now this is
in nineteen seventy nine. Okay, this was you know what
four years something like that before the alleged massacre. So
this guy's given us his deathbed confession. We have it
on tape. And so he talks about he's going along
the shoreline because it's foggy, and he sees a truck,
and he sees a tent, and then he sees something
which he thinks is a horse by the tent. Okay,
because it's on all fours. As he's getting closer, he
sees that this thing is standing up and it's not
a horse. And you know, he's only going you know,
maybe five miles an hour, you know, in his little,
you know, engine boat there, and he's close enough to
the shoreline, he's able to see this thing, okay. And
he describes it, you know as you know, a head
like a hyena, kind of like with almost like a
lion's mange, you know, dog legs, you know, kind of
a dog body, and it's standing by this tent. He said.
At the time, these two people were coming out of
the tent and he's you know, yelling at him, you know,
look behind you, look behind you. And he said they
were like looking at him, you know, they waved at him.
And he said, this thing just pous these two people.
And he said, I'm sitting in this boat watching this
thing kill these two people. Oh God, and they're screaming
and he said, I literally urinated all over myself. I
was that scared. And he goes, I passed out and
I wake up. My boat is up against a on
tree that was on you know, the lake there, and
so he gets back. He doesn't report it, okay, because
he said, let me, let me explain this to you.
He says, everybody knew there's something in that park and
people are getting hurt. No one's allowed to talk about it.
You talk about it, you lose your job, plain and simple, okay, okay.
So he would gradually talk to people like, hey, I
heard there was a bear attack here. Did you hear
anything about it? You know type thing. He would look
at newspaper articles just kind of see if something came about,
because he goes, you know, there's two families that literally
lost somebody and they have no idea what happened to him. Yeah, okay.
So he lived with this for years and he verified
who he was. He showed us all his l e.
S forums, which were like government paycheck, you know, type
forms and stuff, his retirement ID, his awards, things like that.
So he verified that he did work there, and he
had enough physical weaponists to show who he was. And
so he's dying of cancer and and kind of ironic,
he's sitting there in the interviews smoking and the guy's,
you know, of cancer, and it's just like, you know,
I'm dying of cancer. You know, who cares?
Speaker 2: You know, Quentin's probably not gonna help at that point.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's not you know. So
it's like okay, you know, and you know, he goes,
I couldn't because I can't live with this any longer,
because I feel I'm not going to be able to
go into heaven because I kept this secret, and he goes,
I'm very for my family's life, you know too. And so,
like I said, he gave us his story, that you know, confession,
and we have it on tape and we showed it
a couple of times. I think it's on our YouTube channel.
Oh yeah, I believe that it's on there. And yeah,
he died about two weeks after the interview.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank god you got that recorded though, because
that's that's that's an important piece of history, you know, it.
Speaker 3: Is, you know. But the thing, like you said, you know,
we know this the event happened with him. So I'm thinking,
could the masco at LBL be these two people that
he saw killed? Okay, did you know did something I
actually happened? Because here's the thing. He told us where
the exact site was. Okay, where the exact site was.
So we found it. And what's so odd about it
The road that leads there. LBL put like a pile
of rocks and dirt and everything. You can't go in
that area anymore if they just like completely blocked it off.
And it's like been there, you know for years, because
the pile of rocks and the dirt and everything is
like one big formation now. I mean you would have
to get a sledgehammer just to break it up, you know.
So you were able to walk in there, but you
can't drive. But the area where it happened, you can
see that they literally dug up about fifteen feet of
the shoreline, pushing the back fifteen feet and about three
feet down in this one area. And you can you
when you look at the area, you can see how
this one particular area was just whatever what was there,
They scooped it all up and got rid of any
type of evidence and they just planted a bunch of
trees there. So, yeah, it was It was really weird
because there there was there was landmarks that that was
there that he knew that was there at that site
where it happened, and he told us about the landmarks
what to look for, and he told us, you know,
this is where I was fishing at. There was a
bridge there where you can go under the bridge and
go into a small cove. Now the bridge is gone
and it's it's like a road now. So there's two
different parts of the lake now. And he said, you know,
once you turn out, you know, you go, you know,
so many and you'll see this landmark and then you'll
see this landmark and this is where it's at. And
that's how we found it.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, you know, I gotta wonder what why, What
would be the motivation for the park system to cover
up such a danger, you know, because people will continue
to visit this this area for recreation, for fishing, like
you said, and and all of these other, you know,
benign activities. But you're rolling the dice kind of if you're.
Speaker 3: See, here's the thing there. There's another incident to happen
at LBL. Okay, there is this story and there was
there was actual press release about it, Okay that LBL
put out. And there was a hunter that a bow
hunter that was killed allegedly at land between the lakes Okay,
And well we found the spot where allegedly happened. But
the story is that he was his campsite. The beast
the land between the lace grabbed him, killed him, broke
this bow that can't be broken into, dragged a body
a mile, took him into an area and fed on them. Okay.
So that's that's the story, and a lot of people
on the internet and YouTube are talking about this story.
You know, this is what I talked to park rangers
and all these witnesses that recovered a body and this
is a story. Well, we kind of proved that story
to be fake because we actually had we actually talked
to the family of the individual that died. Okay, okay, yeah,
we actually and and we have the you know, we
have the picture of the bow and the tent and
all of his property and stuff, and so all that
stuff is faith. But what happened was his body was
in a soybean field and predators actually ate on his
body because he was there for two days. I think,
oh yeah, and so but the wife believes, in her opinion,
that he was accidentally killed on a hunting accident. Now, well,
people don't realize LBL is one big honting Areah Okay,
it's one huge honeting area. You know, you could be camping,
you can hear a gunfire, you know, right next to you,
because it's it's one big honeting area. And she believes
he was accidentally killed and the person that killed him
didn't know he killed him, and he fell in the
spot there and predators ate on his body, and you know,
she believes LBL was covering that up because they don't
want the fact that, you know, hunting accident happened and
it would be easier for them to say it was
a hunting accident than them saying he died of a
heart attack. Yeah, okay, Now this is where the story
becomes the legend. Okay. The wife said that she was
not allowed to see the body. Oh okay, when the
body went to the more, she wasn't allowed to see it.
When the body went to the funeral home, it was
a closed casket. They wouldn't open the casket. So she
has a family member that is a medical doctor, so
she asked him, can you go talk to the corner
and find out what is going on? So he, you know,
she said, he went to the corner. They came back
and told her to leave it alone. Oh wow. And yeah,
so yeah that that that's the story on you know
the bow hunter, because like I said, I mean we
went down there and talked to her. You know, she
showed us, you know who the guy was. It was
the same you know person from the press release that
was put out from lb L. You know, she had
all his property, she had his tent, everything, his camping gear,
all that stuff that was recovering, even the boat, and
the boat was not damaged. So that this is how
these stories start, okay, you know, and this is what
makes the massacre at lb L questionable because you you
have a lot of people that say they were there
that weren't there and they're given the story, and then
you have a bunch of people who work for the
park that say, oh, yeah, this is happening and probably
didn't happen. And and that's the problem, that's the biggest
problem that you know, everybody's having when they go down LBL.
But you know, uh, that's all part of you know,
dealing with uh yeah, with dog Man, you know, and
this stuff. And you know, we got i mean, we
got crap from people because we came out with the
story that you know, this is this is what happened.
I mean, we talked to the family. You know, the
family came to us. We didn't go to them, They
came to us. And yeah, and you know, because they
they truly believe he was killed in a hunting accident
and LBL is covering up. That's that's their belief. They
don't believe that he was killed by some monster. She
can understand the fact that, you know, he was eaten
on by editors and stuff, and his body was pretty
missed up. That's why they didn't have an open casket.
But the fact that she was angry that she was
not allowed to see him in that the corner, and
you know, the park and other law enforcement agencies made
it sound like it's a cover up, okay, you know,
and it would have been just easier just to say, hey,
this is what happened. But at times I think, you know,
LBL wants this stuff. They want this crazy stories to
go out. You know, like I said, we got crap
from other researchers who are like, really pete off at us,
you know, because of you know, we came out with
the story this is what happened. And it's like, don't
get angry with us. You know, they came to us.
You know. If you want to believe he was killed
by a dog man, that's that's on you, you know.
But that's a part of being an investigator, that's a
part of doing the job, is that you you're going
to find out ninety percent of the time there's a
reasonable explanation for what happened.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I think that's probably true for any
of this. Uh, you know, certainly the paranormal umbrella, like
you've got to be able to open, be open to
all eventualities. Otherwise you're you're you're biased, you've got a bius.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's a problem with the field. Yeah, it's
a problem with bigfoot fielding. You know, they don't they
don't want to be wrong. They don't want to be
proven wrong. You know, it's okay to be proven wrong,
you you you know, you get back up and you
do better next time. But that that, like you said,
that's the biggest problem that you know you're going to
find in the field is that, you know, there are
too many people that go out looking for bigfoot, looking
for cryptids, and they're going to find all kinds of
evidence that's not really evidence because that's what they want
to look for and that's what they find, you know,
And that that's that's the problem. And they don't vet
people who they talk to. Who are you know, allege
witnesses and things. But that you know, But the thing
about you asked, you know, why would they want to
cover up things? And this is what it If I
could talk to the officials at LBL. This is what
I would say to them. Okay, if you want this
crap to stop, monetize it. Okay, monetize it. Have little
stuff beasts of the land between the lakes and your
gift shops, t shirts. Have someone do story time because
right by all the the little stores, they have all
these little areas where they do story time. Do storytime,
you know, monetize it, okay, and then people, you know
are going to say, oh, they're just making a buck off.
It's not real, you know, And that's that's exactly what
Salt Fork State Park in Ohio. Did you know there's
tons of sidings at that park. What did they do?
They monetized it. They have a Bigfoot conference there.
Speaker 5: Once a year, and they you know, get they go
into the black, you know, uh from that conference. You know,
they make all their money up that one that one
weekend for that conference. They you know, they have bigfoot
stuff all in this gift shop, books, you know everything.
Speaker 3: They have a guy running around, you know, wearing a
bigfoot costume. Sure, they monetize it, and they're making money
off of it, and it really didn't stop all the
people there You're looking for Bigfoot because it brings all
kinds of people in. It's money to be made at
the lodge, the store, local businesses outside. You know, they're
jumping into it and getting all kinds of Bigfoot memorabilia. Yeah,
and it's a money making pain that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: So just out of curiosity, and this is I think
you're you'res qualified to answer this as probably anybody I've
ever talked to, But in your in your opinion, when
you're when you're thinking of the dog man, where where
did it come from? Because I've heard all kinds of
different potential origin stories to you know, carryovers from the
ancient world, like the sinocephaly, uh, possibly some human engineering experimentation,
possibly something else, maybe transdimensional, spiritual. And I'm not sure
where you're at with this, but I am curious because
there doesn't seem to be and don't I don't. I'm
not a really big proponent of Oh, the fossil record
is the one big authority, but there doesn't seem to
be any other lineage discernible through what we know of
the fossil record at this point. So where did these
come from? In your opinion? Or do you have an opinion.
Speaker 3: Well, I do have an opinion because no one really
knows that. That's the mystery of it. You know. You
take Linda Goffrey, she's like the godmother of dog Man
and she doesn't even know, right, you know her her
best explanation was it was some type of breed of
K nine that was capable of walking on two legs. Okay,
you know, and that's that's the possibility. Now, a lot
of people think that, you know, these things are engineered,
you know, military weapons and stuff like. I don't buy that.
I believe this is a species that has always been here,
like bigfoot. I believe they were in small numbers, they
were very well hidden, they were able to blend themselves
in with you know, domestic wolves and so forth. I
think it's a complete different species that just evolved. Yeah,
you know, I mean that's the best exclamation I think,
you know, anybody can come up with. But now, you know,
the numbers and the sightings have just gotten boom boom boom,
year after year after year after year, and it's just
I don't know, it's just is it because of you know,
we're expanding into wilderness and that's you know, with housing
and so forth past and it is that's why it's happening.
It's a really good possibility. Maybe the numbers are just
getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Sure, but it's it's
you know, it's it's it's hard to say, it's it's
mind boggling, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but I just think it's interesting because you know,
I mean, it certainly is a well there's been legends
of where wolf and other kenid humanoid type of things
through a long history around the world, and so it
does seem to be that they're that they're you know,
they've been around and then you look at like skin
walkers as well. So there's lots of variations of it.
But I was just curious because you know, again there's
a lot of people making a lot of claims. But yeah,
I like your answer. Honestly, we just don't know.
Speaker 3: But well, here's one a fairy I kinding came up
with I because I read this book called the Hollow
Earth Theory and it talked about you know, a whole
different world inside of our Earth where I had different
type of creatures and people and things like that. I'm like,
you know, maybe these cryptids are from hollow Earth, and
that's you've never seen them. You know, they're coming up
and expanding more. That's a possibility. It kind of makes
sense a little bit. But but you know, you get
a lot of sightings that are like indimensual sidings, supernatural sightings.
We've gotten extraterrestrial type sightings. You know, we look at everything.
The only thing that we really don't look at because
I don't buy it is transformation, you know, and so forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a tough one to wrap your
head around. I don't know what to do with it either,
but it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: I know that shamanistic traditions around the world have had
transformation ast part of their vernacular forever, but it still
doesn't lend well to logic into reason. But you know
what do I know?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you at this point? Would you mind answering
a few questions because they're getting a lot of questions
in the chest. There was one that came up just
a moment ago from Chatter named Boon Doc Mojo, and
he says didn't Martin Groves talk to that bowhunter before
he went missing? Prior to Martin's incident at the LBL.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I know Martin Groves, I met him.
I don't know him. No, I met him twice. I
haven't read any of his books, so I can't tell
you if he did or not. Anything I can tell
you by as far as the bow Hunter is when
the family who came to us and verified who he was,
you know, they even had the That's how we knew
about the press release that it will be l put
out because she showed us a press release. So I
can't answer that. To be honest with you, I have
to reach out to Martin and ask him. Okay, you
know about that, But to be honest with you, no,
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay. Another question, one from Chuckie Danger. The other one
from well several people are have you ever found a
dog Man track? Another one is asking have you ever
had a sighting yourself?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 3: We've We've got some really good tracks. If you go
on her website, I think if you've under the there's
some bars up on the right top it hit evidence.
You can see some of the pictures of the tracks
and casting is that we have that that's on there. Yeah,
I had a siding and I wasn't looking for dog
mean when I had my siding. Actually, I was on
a big foot hunt, to be honest with you. Yeah,
I was in uh Morehead, Kentucky. There was a big
foot event that was taking place there and I was
speaking at it, and we all left that night to
go to oh what was the name of that for us? Oh,
I can't remember it. Will jump there, Uh jump here
in a minute. I slept my mind. I'll remember it,
I'll remember it. So we're there at the park and
everybody's getting together and we broke up into like three
teams because it had a lot trail, middle trail, and
a high trail, and so my team went on the
middle trail. We were probably about a mile mile and
a half in and the road kind of went to
a turn and we you know, we had flashlights and
we had headlights on and it was just kind of
a symbolic type thing because there was kids there, you know,
And so we came around this bend and we caught
eye shine and it was a deer. Now the deer
saw us. So now you got this trail and you
have all the you know, the woods on the side
of the trail. So at one point of where the
deer was, there was like a bush that was there, okay,
and the deer saw us, and the deer kind of
like it was really weird because it kind of like
jumped off to the side instead of like jumping forward,
you know. And as it jumped to like to go
over the bush, this thing just came out of nowhere
and just like grabbed. You saw the arm grab the deer.
Now we have flashlights and headlights, so we were able
to see this thing. You saw the snout, you saw
the high pointed airs, the long arms, long fingers, the
eye shine of this thing just grabbed the deer, I mean,
and just walked off with it. And then you heard
the like screech from this deer, this odd sound. So
because we had kids with us and so forth, we
we headed back and that that was the siding. I
think we went back there the following night to see
if we can find the remains of the deer, but
we couldn't find anything. Wow, it was Daniel Boone National Forest. Okay. Yeah,
And here here's the thing. For a lot of people,
Daniel Boone National Forest is probably one of the biggest
hotspots for dog man sightings. I'm not kidding. Yeah. Yeah,
the Kentucky dog Mayan Project. I can't think you guy's
name at the top of my head. There, he's got
some really good evidence out of Daniel Boone National Forest.
There's a lot of stuff. Yeah, it's probably one of
the best places to go.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have another question for you about kind of
about the nature of dog Man And this one comes
up kind of a lot, and I've heard different versions
of it through the years, but I've had I've heard
the version where Bigfoot and dog men are very confrontational.
That there and that I've heard that there's some cooperation
between them. That I've heard that, you know, they they
establish her on territories and they basically honor that as
if there's some kind of treaty. But what's your take
on the Bigfoot dog man interplay.
Speaker 3: I believe they have contact. I don't think they're friends.
And it's like you take LBL for example, the road
I think is twenty two that kind of separates the park. Okay,
And majority of all the Bigfoot sightings are in the
southern part. Majority of all the dog Man stuff is
on the northern part, and you very seldom ever care
about dog Man on the southern part and Bigfoot on
the northern part. There maybe there's a trading or something
like that, but I don't think that they're friends. And
I'll tell you a really good story. We were in
Utah to do an investigation outside of Skinwalker Ranch and
we got in contact with a woman that lives in
this area. It's a farming area. I think there are
may be like five houses in this area that they're
pretty well spread out, but you're able to see them.
So they all we talked to, like everybody in that
whole thing with everybody came out and met us and talked,
and they knew there was a bigfoot in the area. Okay,
they've seen it, they've heard it, never heard it, you know,
hurt the livestock or anything like that, never had an
issue with it whatsoever. You left them alone. They left
it alone. And then one day they said, just like
Alva Blue, you know, livestocks missing, livestocks being killed, horses
are being attacked. This one particular lady who the one
who had was dealing with the most of it. We
have pictures of her horse and this thing attacked her horse.
I mean like straight on and like bit a chunk
out of its chest.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: And you know everybody knows how strong a horses and
you know most animals that go or pressors go up
against a horse head on, you know you're going to
run into a problem. Yeah, but this scene took a
chunk out of you know, horses chests and there's some
scratch marks that were on it. So they're like wondering,
what is what's going on? Is there you know, mountain
lion or something like that that's causing all this. And
then one day it was like, uh, I think she said,
was almost nine o'clock in the evening. It was just
getting dark, it was summertime. They're hearing these screams that
were coming out of the woodline, just like something fighting.
It was like two different type of screams. They believe
one of them was the Bigfoot that always lived in
that area, and the other one. They had no idea
what it was. And they said from that night on
they never saw the bigfoot again, never saw the Bigfoot again.
And in the woods, there's like a trail where everybody
would just walk on the trail in the woods. They
would find all these trees and we have all the
pictures of it, these scratch marks going all on the tree,
you know, and then people are starting to see what
this thing is. It's a large woof that's walking on
two legs. And like the one lady that was dealing
with it the most because she was the closest to
the woodline. Her daughter was in, you know, in bed,
and the security light came on outside her window, and
that's where their corral was for the horses, and she
can hear the horses go crazy, and so she looks
out the window and she sees, she says, she sees
this dog doing what she said was an army man crawl. Oh,
you know, she saw the tail move and you know,
and it was like going up towards the corral. And
she drew this picture, which was really neat. And this
is like a you know, thirteen year old girl, and
she drew the picture of what she saw and it
was pretty decent, and that's on our website also. And
so this thing would come up to the house and
you would see the footprints on this from the mud
on the porch, and you see the handprints on the
window where it was like looking in and this is
that like daytime. This is happening some really, I guess
there's some really weird stuff. And now this woman is
an animal activist. I mean she's like hard core animal activists,
all right. So she's walking on the trail one day
and she finds a dead fawn. Okay, so she wasn't
deaf war on the trust. She goes back. It's a
shovel because she's gonna bury the fawn, okay, and it's gone.
Oh okay, So she goes back, puts the shovel way,
and goes back on the walk and the fawn's laying
there again. Okay, so she's like, okay, I think it's
time to go home. Well, the next morning she woke
up and the fawn's laying in her driveway. Oh. So
she takes it and buries it. The next day it's
laying in her driveway again. Oh god, So this thing's
playing with her with this dead baby dear. Okay. Yeah,
it was some weird stuff and she ended up moving
from there. Yeah, but yeah, I mean it was pretty
wick of the stuff that was happening to the animals.
And she has a picture of the print, one of
the prints, next to her hand, and what's so neat
about this print, if you like, put it in a negative,
and I think we may have it on here too.
It's four toes, but the one toe you can see
how it's like a thumb where it moves. Oh, and
you can see it in the print. When you do
it on the negative, you can really see it in
the print itself, but you can see it like in
the negative really well, So this thing was able to
grasp right.
Speaker 2: You know, I've heard the description of that having what
looks like a very large version of like raccoon hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that accurate what you say? Yeah? Yeah, and
this is what this print shows it was. It was
crazy and yeah, uh that was kind of exciting, you
know that one. And then we end up talking with
another lady that was there right outside of uh Skinwalker Ranch,
that she's sitting out on her patio and she sees
this dog standing up in this in the bushes right
on her on her property. So she takes a picture
of this thing and I believe that's on our website
too and under evidence. And this thing is standing here.
You see the eyes of mouths open, you see the
red tongue where this thing's like panting. I mean it's it's, it's, it's.
It's an awesome picture because it's like standing there in
the shadow of the bush, you know, just watching this
lady and she she saw it, took a picture of it,
and yeah, it's it's it's a very wicked picture.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get back to LBL. We had a couple
that came to us about us, citing they had, you know,
a few months ago, Land between the Lakes, and the
pictures are on our website also on the front page.
And it was raining really bad and they were leaving,
and so she turns on the thermal just to see
if she can get anything, and she got something in
the woodline moving and so they stopped and they're filming.
It's like twenty minutes of this thing like moving back
and forth watching them. So she gave us the film.
She went to a couple of different people saying, you know,
anything you can do with this film, and like, no,
we can't do anything with it. So we were able
to get the film, stabilize it and take stills from it,
cleaning it up, running through alters where you can actually
see the same and this dog man is like holding
a younger dog man and you. Yeah, if you look
at the pictures on the website, you can see it
really well. And it's like if you're standing there and
you have like your child, right and your child is
you know, back is up against you, and you grab
the arms and you pick them up. You know, what
does the child do? The child brings us the legs in,
you know, And this is exactly what this thing is doing.
It's picking the child up and the legs and it
brings the legs in and it's tucking the legs in
and you can see, I mean, we we we really
didn't do a whole lot enhancing on the picture. Okay,
you know, we did very little. And from what we,
you know, did, you can see clearly that you know,
this is the dog man and it's holding a smaller one.
And there's a crypto an artist named Sybylla Urwi. Yeah
she's great and she does yeah, she does a lot
of crypto arts. So I sent her the picture. I said,
I'm not going to tell you anything about it. I
want you to do me an artwork or what you
think you see? Oh, and that artwork is on there also,
and yeah, it's a dog man standing there holding you know,
a younger dog man. Yeah, it's a very incredible picture.
To me, that is the best evidence of the beast,
the laying between the lakes.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is really cool. Now I've got to ask
you getting back to that case where the gentleman was
in the in the boat and I saw those two
people attacked on the shoreline. What what in your estimation?
First of all, are our dog men generally very aggressive
like that? I know that they intimidate quite a bit,
according to a lot of anecdotal reports, like the getting
rid up in the grill and growl and menace and
then they'll leave, like you know, like they seem to
get a rise out of it. But are they what
would cause the dog men to maybe attack? And I'm
asking you to speculate wildly, so forgive me. But you know,
again you've looked into this for quite.
Speaker 3: A while, right, they're an apex predator. Yeah, so you
know it's a canine and the thing and most people
know this. Canines can sense, you know, if you're scared,
if you're going to if you're going to be a threat,
and they use that to intimidate you, you know, And
I think that's that's what a lot of it is
if they feel that you're weak or sick or something
like that. Yeah, you're easy prey because people run. People
don't walk away from stuff. People run from stuff, and
you run your prey. Oh you know. And and that's
I think that's why a lot of people get hurt
by these things. I'm working on a map, okay, of
all the dog man attacks in the United States and Canada,
and I'm coincign it with bear attacks. Mm hmm, okay, okay,
and this because you know, bear attack would be the
easiest thing to cover up a dog man attack.
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, okay.
Speaker 3: So by the authorities, you know. So, like I said,
it's just it's it's a map I'm working on to
see if there's you know, cover up there or if
there actually something that's happening.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I think that's that's fascinating. We got a
couple of couple of questions from Supernatural Station in the
chats thoughts question with Wyoming releasing kangaroos to contract wolf population,
what if they tried that there? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I haven't heard that, you you know, you know, I
don't know how well that's gonna work out. You know kangaroos.
I don't. If they run in packs, you know, probably,
but yeah, I mean, yeah, that's that's that's that's weird. No,
I don't honestly, I don't think you know, it would
actually work or not, to be honest with you, Yeah,
it's you know, there's people get paid a lot of
money to come up and think that stuff.
Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you this, Jody, there's always rumors
of these military kill squads that go out into these
areas and allegedly eradicate problem creatures in the trip to
zoological field. Do you think that that really happens, and
if so, why hasn't that been unleashed on Land between
the Lakes?
Speaker 3: You know, here here's I think you know, people said,
yeah they seen military land between the lakes. Yeah, you
do see military land between the lakes because four Campbell,
Kentucky's right there, okay, and land between the lakes is
one of their biggest training areas, so you will see
a lot of military there. So people say, okay, yeah,
the military is looking for dog man. You know, the
military is out you know, capturing dog man bodies and
stuff like that. That that's horse crap, Okay, Okay, you
know ever since you know, nineteen six for you know,
for Campbell's use that grounds as as training. Okay, but
I I don't believe these stories. I mean, I I don't.
I just I can't you know, think that you know, uh,
the government is you know, creating these things to go
out and kill people for training for uh you know,
a military operation or something to that effect, or you know,
they're out, you know, searching for dog Man. And I
don't know, I just is it possible? Yeah, But I
just I just think a lot of these stories because
these there are all stories that's on YouTube, you know,
and they're all AI generated stories. I've never ever talked
to anyone that claim that they're part of an organization
that goes out looking for dog Yeah. You know, I've
talked to people who recover UFOs who claim they recover
UFO and UFO bodies, but nothing ever cryptid, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's I don't know. I just don't
buy into it, to be honest.
Speaker 2: And ladies and gentlemen, Jody is ex military. He was
served over in Iraq and he was a law enforcement
as well, so it's not like he doesn't have an
educated opinion here. So I appreciate that because I think
that there's you know, and I don't pretend to know,
but I when I hear claims like that, it's like, well,
is that really possible? Does that really happened.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, you know, I've read all these seen
all these videos of guys coming forward, you know, claiming
that the government came after him because they killed the
dog man or something like that. I had two, two
legitimate encounters with the federal government okay over dog man,
and both of them were one positive. Okay, our website
provider about I guess six seven months after our website
came up, they contacted us and they said, look, you know,
are you guys doing anything you're not supposed to be doing,
you know, with your website? Because he said, you know,
we looked at everything, you know, we went with special
programs to see if you had anything hidden in pictures
or anything like that. And I said, no, why And
he goes, because you have all these three letter agencies
monitoring your website. Oh wow, okay, And they said it's
just not here in the United States. It's in Canada,
it's in Europe, it's in Australia. It's in Japan.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: You know, these government agencies are monitoring your website and
they go and they can tell, they can tell who's
doing it, you know, who's actually monitoring you know websites
because a lot of these legitimate website providers do a
lot of pornography websites, okay, and so they have to
monitor them just you know, you know, the government to
make sure that there's nothing illegal that's in these adult
you know websites and so forth. But they said, yeah,
they're you know, they're monitoring us. But here here's the thing.
And I know even today they're still doing it, okay,
because I talk with a website from either two days
ago and they said, yeah, they're still there monitoring, but
it wasn't to the effect it was the first year
that your website came up. So our website site at
the top one hundred, which is like really cool. So
we get about five thousand views a month, so we're
doing We're doing pretty good. But my view on it is, I,
you know, is the government curious on the stuff? Yes,
I believe they are curious and they see us probably
doing the work for them. Okay, Okay, Now with that
being said, are these three letter agencies there's on our website?
You know, are they monitoring us, watching us, check and
see what we're doing. Or is it somebody that's on
their lunch break on the government computer just googling something
and ran across the website. That's the possibility. That's what
I think the majority of it is. But I do
believe that there are stuff They are watching us and
looking at our data. We know this because the one
encounter I had actually told us they were monitoring us,
you know, our website, and they liked the stuff that
we had compared to what a lot of other people have,
because we have a lot of stuff that we haven't
really shown that we keep to ourselves, and they actually
know about it because you know, they're they're hidden and
you know where other people can't see it, and you know,
the documentation that we've gotten in. It's like we have
free optopsy reports of alleged dog big killings on our website.
And then once we put that up, the activity with
two of the three Letter agencies picked up not even
four hours after we posted it, posted the autopsies on there. Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies, and gentlemen, that's going to wrap up
our part one of the interview with Jody Cook. Please
stay tuned watch for the coming days for the release
of part two, which will be the conclusion of my
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