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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, you know, ladies belly like, Hello, ladies

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and gentlemen, welcome back to Cantina Conversations. I am the

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number one Kylo Ren fanboy dressed now and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I'm the desk stick Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ladies, gentlemen, it has been a long time. Matter

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of fact, it has been six years, Taylor. It isn't

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six years now. Granted, we did kind of do like

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a mini comeback for the when we did the Rebels retrospective.

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canteen of conversations, but we've never done on proper, uh

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since twenty nineteen. It was technically I got it right here.

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It was it was April. It was no, Oh my god,

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that's crazy. August twenty ninth, twenty nineteen was our last one.

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Let's see. Our last episode was Oh we want Disney

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plus dues and don't. So it must have been right

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after Oh we Want had been announced and whatnot. But

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if people don't know, because I was looking up because

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I try to go and get you know, thumbnails and whatnot,

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or like logos from our old shows, because lots of

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our old shows. Now you and I we've been through

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three computers, three laptops. Lots of stuff's going on. Taylor

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do some promotion while we let this plane pass, because

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I am doing a patiopod right now.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so promotions. Well, the big Gvday, Geez Gvday,

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August ninth, that's around the corner, starting at ten am,

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going for ten hours or longer, depending on you know,

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how how we go with patrons and all that. But yeah,

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we got a whole whack load of stuff lined up.

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nineteen ninety four Golden Geeks, not twenty twelve, that was

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is gonna be popping off, like might be getting our

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while we are getting our hands dirty. Me and Travis

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gonna be going toe to toe with Kirkland and Kyle.

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So that's gonna be pretty intense and pretty robust. What

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else do we get going on? Just lots of stuff,

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lots of stuff. Check our social media channels, you get

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all the information. And aside from that, we got a

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Dexter review that'll be dropping episode five, the Spoilers review.

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Speaker 1: All right, dropped? Did you not see my private chat

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that I put in there?

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Speaker 2: I'll be back in twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Fear from the audio listeners what I did because I

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minutes and got in my seat tators in promotion mode.

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So you didn't see it. But I was hoping to

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be like twenty minutes. What the fuck am I supposed

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to do all alone? So let's see chi Rana says, Hey, guys,

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hope all's well. I'd love I don't really repeat to

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be a return. Just listen to man crush the episode

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and a couple other episodes. Wow on the Stars episode,

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the one a couple of weeks ago, which was it

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rave repeat one. We only had enough time to record, like,

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had him over, so try you can check out that. Unfortunately,

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my audio was not the best because it was a

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Kirklands were and everything. The attacks. Like you said, we

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well you know Patreon, so we'll let you. You know,

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to see him, you know, before the matchup and stuff.

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When I searched Kntina Conversations way crazy AI thing is now,

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Uh look at this they cantina cover this on Google

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AI over you Cantina Conversations.

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Speaker 2: Bring yeah, pull it up.

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Speaker 1: I'm pulling up. Cantina Conversations is a podcast segment or

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retrospective reviews of Star Wars Rebels season. Oh that's funny it,

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I think, almost every spin off show. But yeah, we've

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done this, and Taylor, I will say, before you go,

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not go, but before it's your turn. You're talking about

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the other intro. This was the first intro you did

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for the very beginning, but then I think with the

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way it evolved and became a much more silly as

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usual type potato trash show. But this was the first

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opening Tia conversation. You remember that, you remember that earth

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thing you made?

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Speaker 2: Ye come on touching is you know, like he's belly like, oh,

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it's so tempted.

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Speaker 1: And maybe God, maybe you got rid of this because

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the music, which is fine license been for this time.

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But yeah, maybe you got rid of it for a license.

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Let's look at but kept and I guess we should

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have the gantina that's fucking loud though too. Sorry, well

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I don't remember, Yeah, I make you just threw it

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together because you I remember you using that earth exploding

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thing for the longest time and I did not like it.

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But we had enough thing else, so we just we

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just kind of went with it's the same thing for

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a while. Like we one of our first GV logos.

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Star Wars font with GV and we like the first

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year that's a different podcast, but still like the first

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year finding thumbnails logos, like the logo that's known no

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for geek versus the g and the V together. That

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took a long time to create and I just had that. Technically,

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then I made it. I did Adobe three D like

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photoshop and put that together. But I think that's why

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that was that opening and same thing. We didn't have

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a geek first theme at that point. We didn't have that.

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So uh, yeah, lots has changed, but we're gonna talk

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about Star Wars and whatnot. I thought there's something else

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that's gonna throw to you with. But yeah, I'll start

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with this right now. What we're gonna do Before I

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threw the tailor, he's gonna just you know, what does

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he feel about stars overall?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Now, since we've been doing it since way and I

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think because a lot has happened, we taught us a

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little bit. But in case anyone only listens to canteen

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conversations there back for this what we're gonna do today,

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Taylor completely forgot about this. He's like, oh, don't tell

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the topic as I.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait months ago, months ago.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe a month and a half. But what

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we're doing today is we're going to pull up a

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Wikipedia page and we're going to look at everything Disney

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has produced via movie or TV shows. We're not gonna

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do books and comics. Is also we've not read them

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all and there's tons of stuff in there, and I

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feel like, if that's an easier conversation fil there's probably

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way more wins and losses. But what we're gonna do

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is we're gonna make a win category and a loss category,

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and we're gonna decide for the brand. Because it is

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kind of funny. Forced Awakens came out twenty fifteen. We're

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celebrating our tenures. So obviously Lucasfilm had bought or Lucasfilm

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was bought by Disney much earlier on, but still it's

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kind of in sync with their tenure and our ten

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uere as far as producing content me and Taylor together,

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which will be tough because you know, we don't agree

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on stuff. We're gonna decide what is a win for

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Disney and what's a loss because I think we talked

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about this when Kathleen Kennedy the rumors were coming down

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and we got and Or, and it goes ebbs and flow. Right.

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Sometimes there's some tough times and go, oh man, maybe

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she should go. Then there's some good times where it's like,

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you know what, maybe we could have. There could be

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worse people doing this job. So what we're gonna do

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is we're gonna see under her and other people's leadership,

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is there more wins or losses with the shows and

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the movies. But you know, since twenty nineteen, Taire, we've

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gone lot of stuff. We've gone and Or, We've gone

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lots of animated stuff. Clone Wars came back, we got

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Rise of Skywalker. But where are you feeling right now

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with your Star Wars fan? Because aust you're gonna love it.

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I mean specifically with the air of content we're getting

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and not with like how you feel as a kid stuff,

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just like right now about the stuff being produced, I'd say,

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you know, the last year going into next year, because

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as right now, we got Mandoin Grogu coming out, we

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got Ahsaka season two, Darth Ball Animated, there's probably some

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other stuff we know, we got visions, and then there's Starfighter.

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There's stuff that's rumored, but those are like the confirmed

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things happening right now. So where where are you with

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Star Wars right now? Give it gus a number to

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start off with. What's your excitement level for the brand overall?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm I'm always I'm always really really excited. I

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really really am when it comes to Star Wars. I'm

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probably around like the nines, but I'm not a full

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ten because I just wish that Disney would commit to

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the shit that they do. Like I feel like now

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they're starting to turn around with the sequel trilogy and

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kind of own up to it and just kind of

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like put their stamp on it, And I feel like

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something like Acolyte. You know, you put that out there,

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just so own it, just fucking own it. You put

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that show out there, you proved it, you greenlit it.

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You did all that everything, the writing.

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Speaker 1: They canceled it, but they canceled it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like what the hell like put some If

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you feel that confident that you can put it out

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to like over eight billion people on this planet, then

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you need to stand by that. You need to stand

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by it.

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Speaker 1: See now we're already getting started. We don't have the numbers,

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but what if they put the numbers? Like what if

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internally they got those numbers, they're like Jesus, like this

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is really low? Like how like how you can't make

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that a financial loss? Like if they're like, if we

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make another season, we're gonna legitimately lose money. Again, that's

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why both Marvel and Disney. Marvel's doing one live action

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show year I think, or Star Wars gonna do. I

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think they just found out that they like lost like

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more money than they thought. So how can you same

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thing as us when we do shows and they're not

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getting the views like when we did like comic version

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for example, We've talked about before we love doing that,

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but we just went, okay, if we do comic versions

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versus a newscast, which could probably make us a bunch

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more income and downloads, How do we not do that. Right,

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It's the same thing when you say all they got

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to stand by it. You want them just to lose,

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just continue to lose money.

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Speaker 2: I mean no, but.

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Speaker 1: Don't buy you cowards, don't just.

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Speaker 2: Ditch the whole thing. I mean, they got money to spare.

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Speaker 1: They got books if you want it. They got Accolade

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books coming out.

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Speaker 2: We've already talked about this. The books don't count, right,

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we've already gone through this discussion.

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Speaker 1: Well they don't, but they're they're standing by. They're like, oh,

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you want more Accolade, Here, read a book.

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Speaker 2: They do the books when they've kind of given up

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on the project. That's what they did. No shade against

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the Higher Republic. But again, the Higher Republic should have

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live action content and they kind of again with Accolyte,

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we got that, but then it's like, oh no, okay,

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you get more books. You get more books. Go read

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about your rail Avarae and not was it rail Avarae?

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No loading grade storm and bells that Aphar and Buriaga.

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I love those characters. Anyways. I think that for me

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with Star Wars, I just wish that they would put

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a little bit more attention and respect into those different

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stories that they created, and the biggest one of all,

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it just comes down to Acolyte for me, because I

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really just can't believe that we got Plagus and Plagas

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just got shafted so hard. That's such a major major

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storyline Palpatine's master.

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Speaker 1: If you were watching it, they didn't care about it.

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You know that happens a bad show.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's just tragic.

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Speaker 1: I think obviously it's tough, right, because I think it

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comes by a case by case basis. I think they

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are way more. It's interesting because the past, like, since

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we're doing this ten years, I feel like we had

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like a big run where Marvel anything they're putting out

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was great, and the DC anything they're putting out was

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very very iffy. Right where Star Wars I think they

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started that run a little bit good. But then now

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there I think the most fifty to fifty stuff right,

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because we did get Accolte, which I extremely did not

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like for many reasons. You go back and listen to it,

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and not for the dumb red eye reasons like oh

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they did this and this is woke. No, no, just story writing.

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Character stuff didn't work for me on multiplitudes, right, not

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the plagacing. The plagacing I thought was cool. Obviously there's

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some weird can stuff that end up having, but we're

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not seeing plagas probably ever again. But anyway, so you'll

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do a show like that, or even a year or

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two before Mando three, which was just just I won't

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say killed that brand, but it definitely took a bunch

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of people's hype down tremendously. But then you got and Or,

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which is just you could pay a case. To me,

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that's like a top well, not trying to spoil anything,

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but like you know, probably I mean my top. When

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we do our top ten TV shows for our geek

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for special for the ten year on Patreon, you could

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make the case set is the best. I said this

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on the last episode, so if anyone didn't listen to it,

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I said, Empire Strikes Back has always been my number one,

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and there's never been anything that has come close. There's

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other Star Wars stuff that I rate really high, but

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I've always think Empire's always like, that's firmly there, it's

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not getting shaken right and Or season two was the

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first time I was like this. I still wouldn't, but

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it's the first time I was like I could make

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it argument for something being greater than that or enjoying

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that more. And then Skeleton Crew, which you know I

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was not on those reviews because I was on parental leave,

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but I loved a lot more than you guys, And

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I said before, I think that's what Star Wars should

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be going forward. Where had some loose connections, but they

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are fun can and stuff like I remember they mentioned

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some sort of like planet thing and you brought you

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came to Kurkling, like all this has to with like

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the old Republic, this and that. But that's where it's great,

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where it's like you, it worked for you, but if

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it didn't work for anyone else. It was just like

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a planet's name, like that's all you need, right. It

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wasn't just avert like, oh my god, it's cat Fain,

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Oh my god, it's you know, Ezra Miller. You know

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is that who it is? Ezra Miller? No, that's the

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actor shitting the actor Ezra Bridger. Oh my god, it's

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as A Miller the flash they're here. But I just

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thought it was a great use of being practical. So

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that's where it stuff. Like every project I have stuff

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that I've given tens or nine. In the pastal years,

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I've had multiple things I've failed. So that's where I

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feel like my overall, I feel like I have to

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be like at a A six point five. The reason

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I could, I think quality wise, I could get to

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a seven. But the problem is, like you mentioned, it's

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for you, it's the standing by like the act. Like

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for me, it's just standing by what you announce, right.

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I've had this conversation with Katie and Clay where you know,

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I was I'm pissed that they, you know, not really pissed,

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but piss in like the fanboy sense of like they

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announced the Ray movie and then it's like, yeah, and

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we're getting that script written. I know how Hollywood works.

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I know many times you announce movies and you don't

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have a script ray right. Even more right now they're

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shooting the fucking Avengers Doomsday. There's no script ready for that.

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But for me, when they've had so many issues, you

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hire Stike, don't tell us about it till you're ready

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to go. You don't need to tell. Like if they

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just do these announcements at CON's or Disney Celebration or

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D twenty three to pop a crowd and then it's like, okay, good,

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we got them, and then we'll wait for the next one.

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That's my issue of, like, I get I'm not saying

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that if you're writing a and that's fine. If it's rumored,

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that's a rumor. That's not you putting out, that's someone

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scooping it. We can't hold them by a scoop right

471
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,160
the same way with Obi Wan. We always wanted it

472
00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,079
and we always wanted them to confirm that, but up

473
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,599
until that point they never would, so we just oh,

474
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,839
it's a wish. I'm way more like that method of hey,

475
00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:40,160
there's stuff in the wind, maybe it will happen. Versus

476
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,680
they've come out and physically said hey, we're doing this

477
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,000
and then they don't do it. That bugs me way

478
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:47,279
more because same thing. Let's say, O Wei want the

479
00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:49,160
show happened, but and at one point that was supposed

480
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,119
to be a movie. Same thing, Let's say, hey, we

481
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,160
want to make it obi one thing, Let's take pitches

482
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,640
and then they get a bunch of pitches and if

483
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,079
they just all sound bad, then don't make it, and

484
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,680
you never have to announce it, and then we don't know.

485
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,559
We can always theorize go, oh, what if? Right, but

486
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,519
at least it's not a for sure we're now the

487
00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:06,039
Ray thing. It's like we're waiting for that. We're waiting

488
00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:09,039
for the Taykka thing. That's like a thing. Maybe we'll

489
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:11,240
go over yeah, try and remind me before we end this,

490
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,759
let's go over the stuff that's been announced that's not

491
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,160
out there and stuff, because it's just kind of crazy.

492
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,359
It's like the DCU now. So that's where I'm a

493
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,759
six point five because the quality is very fifty to

494
00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:25,240
fifty and the announcements and whatnot. That that's the tough thing.

495
00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:26,640
I can't get it to a seven because I feel

496
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,200
like it's a brand. I can't really trust them on

497
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,680
what they're gonna do, and especially with we don't know

498
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,519
what's gonna happen with Kathy. Right, we're gonna look at

499
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,319
it today and see more wins and losses. But I'm

500
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,799
actually now have gone the reverse where asked me two

501
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,440
years ago? I thought, oh, you know what, maybe we're

502
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,519
gonna Getkathy out of there.

503
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:42,839
Speaker 2: Now.

504
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: It's like if the people that are replacing her are

505
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,359
the people to me, it's they're similar to Kathy, but

506
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,119
they have less skills so that's where it's like, that

507
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,960
doesn't make any sense to me. It's like, if you're

508
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,839
gonna get someone that doesn't have the same school as Kathy,

509
00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:58,640
then go a whole different route, right, But don't cat

510
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,319
just get someone that's like the adjacent but then also

511
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,279
does not have thirty years of producing films on her side,

512
00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:08,759
right like Filoni doesn't have that. So yeah, we'll see

513
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:10,240
what happens. But yeah, that's right. I'm like a six

514
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:12,680
point five. It sucks. It's definitely like the lowest it's

515
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,480
been because even after the prequels, I feel like that

516
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:16,759
was like as a kid, I didn't like think about

517
00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:18,839
it that way. And there's always Star Wars games coming out,

518
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,400
right and whatnot. But yeah, let me go Disney era

519
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:24,759
Star Wars. Is there anything you want to say or

520
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,440
anything before we start this little chart here?

521
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't think.

522
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: So, Okay, can you make a like a like a

523
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,279
written document that you can share on the screen every

524
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:36,480
once in a while we don't have to share, but yeah,

525
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:38,119
put in the drive or something like that so we

526
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:43,400
can pull back to it. I think see Star Wars

527
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,000
that was twenty twenty five. Kay, I don't want to

528
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,559
I'm trying to find the Skywalker. I'm trying to find

529
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:56,680
everything they've done. Holy shit, they've done a lot of television.

530
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:07,640
No timeline. Oh I don't want the timeline. No, Wikipedia,

531
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,160
don't give me that. I don't like. They have a

532
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,000
whole timeline Canon Media, so it shows you every the

533
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,960
whole time time with the new Cannon. And they got

534
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,279
like fucking like Star Wars Jedi adventures like I don't,

535
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,960
I don't need, and we're not gonna count that. Okay,

536
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:23,319
that's not one. We're gonna talk about Jedi adventures. You know,

537
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240
we don't need to go there. But let me let

538
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,359
me just find No, they keep giving me. I should

539
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,319
have my apologies. I should have had this up before.

540
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,680
They keep giving me stuff that's gonna be released. But okay,

541
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:51,079
Disney Era, let's see. Okay, Cannon Television and streamings, let's see. Okay,

542
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,119
I think I got it all here. It might not

543
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,039
be in a particular order here, like a date order,

544
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:00,400
because I think I got like and I made a

545
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,880
live action whatnot. So we'll just go with this. So, okay,

546
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,880
do you you got that chart up? You don't got

547
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,519
to have it up all time ago. So you got

548
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:11,839
wins and losses. Right, yeah, all right, I think this

549
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,920
is gonna be easy one for us. Let's start without

550
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,759
all kicked off. Force Awakens, Taylor. Would you consider that

551
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,799
a win for Lucasfilm or a loss?

552
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a win, no wonder how you look at it.

553
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: I think that's an absolute win. That is still the

554
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,279
biggest movie domestically of all time. I think that was

555
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920
I think the two points you could point to of

556
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:33,559
the new fan like in the Disney era fandom being

557
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,000
the most happy was when Mandalorin premiered, because I think

558
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,640
a lot of people reunite on that. But I think

559
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,559
more so was Force Awakens. Now, granted, I will say

560
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:44,839
probably a lot of that was just Nostalgia're just happy

561
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:46,279
it was back, right, There's a lot of that because

562
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,319
in fact, there's a lot of people that liked Force Awakens.

563
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,319
That after the fact I went on, I don't like

564
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,240
it as much, but I think it was a massive win.

565
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,400
Also made a lot of money, got about new stars fans,

566
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,839
gave us a lot of new great characters, and that's

567
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,200
still one of my favorite Stars movies. I love that

568
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,119
movie so much. Also, it leads too's a little bit

569
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,839
mess and whatnot. But uh no, I think that's a

570
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,440
that's like an easy layup wins. That was like they

571
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,599
that's the thing for the reintroduction of Star Wars. They

572
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,559
no notes, they did that tenant and you can feel

573
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,000
everyone about the movie. But as far as like a

574
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:16,880
global phenomenon, they did a great job. So that's more

575
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,759
so what we're talking about, not just like the quality

576
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,920
of the movie, just like over on the branding and stuff.

577
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,960
So all right, next we got Rogue one, Taylor, was

578
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:25,720
it a win or?

579
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's a win this movie? I mean

580
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,319
again it's are they all billion dollar films? Yes, we'll

581
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,079
talk more about the other ones later. This one is

582
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,960
definitely a win. I mean, what's it throtten tomatoes score?

583
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,799
Speaker 1: What you're talking about the act like now a getting canceling?

584
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:42,319
You want to talk about rotten to male scores? You're

585
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,240
able to Rogue one? What does that even matter here?

586
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,039
Speaker 2: What is that before eighty seven?

587
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:46,559
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah?

588
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:50,559
Speaker 2: People people love this movie. People love this movie. All

589
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:52,200
I hear good things about Rogue one.

590
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,839
Speaker 1: Don't you were? You were on a podcast Our very

591
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,799
first review for Rogue one was a bunch of people

592
00:26:57,839 --> 00:26:58,799
saying negative stuff.

593
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: You were those years ago. But now all I hear

594
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,079
when I talk to people with people, they really like

595
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Rogue One. They like how it props up a new

596
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:07,519
hope and it kind of just goes kind of hand

597
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,839
in hand with it. And yeah, just a lot of

598
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:14,839
people really really enjoy that movie. Hopefully you do too

599
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:16,759
after watching anding.

600
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm just joking, I'm just Barren the lead. Definitely

601
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,599
a win here because for me, honestly, somebody that did

602
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,400
not love the movie at time, I think I have

603
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,079
liked it a little bit more over time, but I

604
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,839
still have issues with it. And it's tough though. Right

605
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,079
it is similar to like the Clone Wars to prequels,

606
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,319
where I think that movie is helped by and Or,

607
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:36,839
but that's kind of a cheat, right, but still it

608
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:38,720
has helped. But the movie by itself at the time

609
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,880
I had some issues, but as a branding one, and

610
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,599
I could definitely say I'm in the majority where tons

611
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,359
of people think that, or I'm in the minority where

612
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,160
tons of people has that listed in their top three

613
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,359
or their top Star Wars movie, et cetera. I think

614
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,759
people did really enjoy that. And again, as far as

615
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:54,599
it being a big win, oh man, So it might

616
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,839
say this rogue won the best Star Wars.

617
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: Movie, like you're with me there, let's go.

618
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up? Love you fella Canadian Mike. Yeah,

619
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,640
I can't go that far. I don't see there. I

620
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,160
think there's stuff about. I think there's great visuals and

621
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,440
there's great moments. I think like that movie lacks so

622
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,000
much character development and the writing has so many just

623
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,440
like flaws even last time I watched it. But there's

624
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:20,319
some great stuff in there. Don't get me wrong again,

625
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,640
this isn't about the quality. They put out a movie

626
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:28,000
that like, Okay, I guess there's two phone right, because

627
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,240
there's no big stars in that and it's literally just

628
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,279
using a line from the first movie of Oh we

629
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,599
got the Death Star plans and making the movie. I

630
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,720
will say, and this is where we'll never know and

631
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:41,039
it's tough. I think Vader being in that movie. Do

632
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:42,960
you agree with me? If Vader's not in the marketing,

633
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,240
they don't make a billion. I'm not saying it's bombs,

634
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:45,480
but I.

635
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: Think Vagay still do because he popped into one tiny

636
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,720
little scene in the marketing and that scene wasn't even

637
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:51,519
in the movie.

638
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: He no, he was all over the marketing, wasn't he

639
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,880
a posters and stuff? Let's see, I think to me,

640
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,440
I thought they were. And even then it's just like

641
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,960
the Death Star alone too, but I swear there was.

642
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,799
Speaker 2: He's very He's in the poster but fa on the background.

643
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,000
But he was not in the trailers aside from like

644
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400
there was one scene one if you pull up the trailer,

645
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,000
pull up the trailer, pull the trailer.

646
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,839
Speaker 1: He's been pulling up the trail. You can pull up

647
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,880
and scrubbing if you want to. But like Ta says,

648
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,279
he's barely the background. He is the second biggest character

649
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:24,880
on the poster behind dinner.

650
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: So and the gas not even gonna see him back there.

651
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:29,200
They're looking so.

652
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,279
Speaker 1: Many people will go, that's our fair. I loved our fair.

653
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:35,400
But I loved our Fair. I'm saying that I granted again. Also,

654
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,240
that's in a movie, err where movies were making billion

655
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,599
dollars all the time, right, like Captain Marble. So maybe

656
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,599
let me see how bunch you got over. Let me

657
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:49,680
before I uh retract or confirm that sayment it made okay, Taylor,

658
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,160
I'm standing by it made one billion point zero five nine,

659
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,160
so not even one point one. So it's like one

660
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,400
hundred million under to getting to a billion, like not

661
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,359
even it's like fifty million, fifty nine sorry, sixty. I

662
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,680
think I have no problem in saying, and I feel

663
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,400
like for you, if it was bigger, you could stand

664
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,240
by this. I have no problem saying that dar Vader

665
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,319
is dar Vader who they had not seen. I'm not

666
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,599
counting Revenge of the Saith because like for a little bit,

667
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,640
they had not sent seen since Return of the Jedi.

668
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,079
I think he is sixty nine million dollars worth of

669
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,920
ticket sales. I absolutely do. I think he's more than that.

670
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: So he was not in the teaser trailer at all

671
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,200
that they put. That's like a two minute trailer. He's

672
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,079
not in that trailer at all. And then he pops

673
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,240
up in one second of a scene and a story trailer.

674
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah he's there. And then he's on the poster. He

675
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,119
was all over the TV spots and he was there's

676
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,680
other posts.

677
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: No he what TV spots. I have not seen any

678
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:50,519
TV spots where he was all.

679
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Showed him, especially after the movie. They showed the hallway

680
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,400
scene a little bit. Don't get don't don't try to

681
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,440
mendela effect.

682
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: So this is the only this is this is the

683
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,000
only thing in the trailer is you see get Star Vader.

684
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

685
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,079
Speaker 2: Everything else is literally like two minutes of just everything else.

686
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,119
Speaker 1: So do you think, do you in your opinion, Let's

687
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,640
say let's go back in time. Let's say Comcon last

688
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,759
Year happens. They don't an ounce Danny is doomed. Do

689
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,359
you think when they released a doomsday trailer, if they

690
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,039
showed a one second shot of Ironman, that would not

691
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:20,759
move tickets?

692
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: Hmmm?

693
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: You know what, you're bullshing yourself right now. And that's

694
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,759
I'm saying, Vader, they one billion and fifty nine million.

695
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,200
I'm saying it's not like I'm not even saying that bombed.

696
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,359
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think it's Would you, okay,

697
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:39,720
would you say the Vader's helmet and Force Awakens is

698
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720
what added like a billion to that movie?

699
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,039
Speaker 1: I'd say it all though, because that's tough. Because you

700
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,759
got Lea, you got Han, you got I think the

701
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,519
Vader helmet did add to that. You got Chewbacca. That's

702
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,759
too many, Like each of those characters are worth like

703
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:53,440
you'd have to look at the chart, but that's like

704
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960
worth like one hundred million there three hundred million there,

705
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,839
Like I'd say, Han Soul is like worth like five

706
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,839
hundred million, like all those and they didn't have Luke,

707
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,359
but everyone thought Luke was gonna be there. So that's

708
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,680
like worse than more millions. So that one's trickier because

709
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,880
that has so many returning characters. Right we're in Rogue one,

710
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,599
it was just the Death Star Invader Palpatine's not in

711
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,880
there grammar of Tarkan's not selling tickets. He like, even

712
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,480
if they showed him, he's not selling tickets. So I'm

713
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,680
not saying that, I'm saying it could literally make nine

714
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,079
hundred and ninety nine million dollars. I'm just saying I

715
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,200
don't think it hits a billion without Vader in there.

716
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: I think I think Force Awakens just totally recaptivated the franchise.

717
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,640
That a delay, and I think off of all that hype,

718
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,880
that's another thing that sent people into Rogue one. I

719
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,079
don't think Vader had that much of an impact on

720
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,519
the ticket sales. I think it was just the magic

721
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,279
of Force Awakens Star Wars being back getting something that

722
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,960
is just such a like a I.

723
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: Feel like also because he was coming back, sure, even

724
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,480
as Obi Wan, but the fact that obi Wan was

725
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Star Wars' biggest show, and Vader's also in the marketing

726
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,559
for that is another just cap in my feathers, like

727
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,559
Vader at one point that shows Vader still moves tickets,

728
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,359
he still moves merch. I still think if you make

729
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,160
a Vader show or movie that move like that does.

730
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: But how well did Obi Wan do? Numbers wise?

731
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: And we never get the full numbers. We just know

732
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440
that it's second behind Loki. I think it's like Loki

733
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,440
and then obi Wan. Obi Wan's the best Star Wars

734
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,720
show they've ever done, like viewer wise, But we don't.

735
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: Think that's because you think that's because of the Vader.

736
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: I think I think he helps. I think obi Wan

737
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,599
and Vader together is a great combo. But either way,

738
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:27,400
I'll say it's a win because they put a spin off,

739
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,920
not big, too many big characters, big actors, made a billion.

740
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,759
They are run high. Now here's where things get interesting. Uh,

741
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:39,680
here's where the real fun begins. Last Jedi, is that

742
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,640
a win for you or a loss for you?

743
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: It's gotta be for me?

744
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: Well well yeah, but like what we're saying overall for

745
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,759
the brand, like if they're look at their wins and

746
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,039
loss in the past decade. Consider that a winner or a loss. Yeah,

747
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,480
for the.

748
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: Brand, it's a loss. And I say that because of

749
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,759
how divisive it was to the like the fandom and

750
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:03,920
the community. And that being said, I know people that

751
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,759
love Last Jedi. They just praise it. I know other

752
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,119
people that absolutely just hate with it what they did

753
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:09,360
with it.

754
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: And so many people have that list as their like

755
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,159
favorite movie.

756
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,199
Speaker 2: Ye, absolutely they do. Yeah, And you know, to each

757
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,719
his own. I I do enjoy the movie. There's a

758
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,159
lot of really good stuff with it. I hate that well.

759
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,159
I really like Rise of Skywalker. The two really just

760
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,360
conflict each other. For Force Awakens can stand on its own,

761
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,639
but then the next two just really just like they're

762
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,760
just like fighting in the alley, just going to town

763
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,280
on each other.

764
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: That's so true, ye, drunk.

765
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,559
Speaker 2: It damages both of their stories and both of what

766
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,920
they're trying to do. I like Last Jedi, but I

767
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,119
don't like that they just shafted Ray. I like Force Awakens,

768
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,719
but I like that they were trying to give Ray

769
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,760
more of like a bigger backstory. I don't like that

770
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,639
she was a Palpatine, but you know, here we are.

771
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,480
So that being said, sorry, go ahead.

772
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I was just saying, I wonder because I remember

773
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,920
there was I think because I can't remember where you,

774
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,880
I think you were. I think we were almost all

775
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
on that. Were you fine with Ray being a nobody?

776
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:06,519
Like if they would have kept that route.

777
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have been okay with it, even though

778
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,400
I prefer she was somebody but not.

779
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: A But that's where yeah, And that's the thing where

780
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,079
I feel like the Palpatine thing like didn't work for

781
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,360
either crowd, Like I was somebody when they made that

782
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,519
last year I reveal like, oh you're nobody. I'm like, oh,

783
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,679
that's that's great. We talked about how many times so

784
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,039
many people are all relay, all time fucking happy Gilmore

785
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,519
two recently, you know, like like that somewhere is like, oh,

786
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,679
I'm completely like I would have been fine either way.

787
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,800
But it feels like the Palpatine reveal was like the

788
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,639
people I wanted to be nobody aren't happy, and the

789
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,280
people I want to be somebody aren't happy. Like I

790
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,960
don't know, I wonder if there's anybody people. And this

791
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,280
is not like in a native way. I mean like

792
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480
if you listen to geek first and how long safe

793
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,920
space comment on this Facebook and the discord. Let's like,

794
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,039
if you still like that reveal, let us know. This

795
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:53,599
is not me saying oh you're dumb. I just mean like,

796
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,199
I haven't met anybody that's been you know what. I

797
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,519
really liked the Palpatine reveal. I think even the time

798
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:01,079
people might be like, oh, okay, good, that's so powerful she is.

799
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,239
But I just feel like no one's that. That's not

800
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,920
something they stand by. You know. It's like, oh man,

801
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,119
that's what that was the Bee's knees back then. So uh, Superman.

802
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,880
Mike is right here. I was gonna ask if this

803
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,039
would be a fun podcast to do, Mike, if if

804
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,599
you have any ideas, he says, Last Jedi, the film

805
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,239
that shattered the online film discourse. Absolutely true. That was

806
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,199
one of those where it felt like nothing and Star

807
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,679
Wars was never the same. It felt like it was divided.

808
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,400
We just talked about this. Oh no, I guess this

809
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,119
was allf air. But here hearing all this, I don't

810
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,960
I don't care. You know it me Leam and Kyle

811
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,719
when before he did that, we do. We're lots of

812
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,559
stuff life and politics, and we even talk about in

813
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,079
the world right where even like American politics, it felt

814
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:45,559
like whatever side you're on, when Trump won, there was

815
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,400
a huge shift in lines drawn right here in Canada.

816
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,920
We talked about many places like when COVID happened, huge

817
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480
line drawn of you know you're not vaccine, not wearing

818
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,159
a mask or mask wearing a vaccine, and it feels

819
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:57,639
like for a while, this is a battle. Mike's right,

820
00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,920
that's last year, I think is the one. I do

821
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,840
give a lot of credit as well to BVS. So Mike,

822
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,440
that's what I was gonna ask anybody else in the

823
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,760
discord too. You can hit us back later on what

824
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,840
do you think is the Mount rushmore of? Because I

825
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,760
feel like it's twenty ten, and on what's the mount

826
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,400
rushmore of? Like the shattered the online film discourse, because

827
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,320
I do think Last Jedi is it might be the

828
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,239
top dog. But I could also put BVS because I

829
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,679
remember when BVS came out that was That's when I

830
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,559
was in the thick of things of online discord that

831
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:28,079
was heavy. I could also put Man of Steel up

832
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:29,440
there because I feel like that was a movie that

833
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:33,039
really divide people. I remember walking out of the theater

834
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,760
with my Best Buy crew and all seeing it and

835
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,400
all of a sudden, not like except for one of

836
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,920
my best friend's cousin was like, oh I loved it,

837
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,559
you know, and he was just like alone on his

838
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:43,679
total poll. And then later on there's other people that,

839
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,840
like I met through online stuff that liked it or

840
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,000
like a you know, a Jessica or Amber. But for

841
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,800
a while, I met no one that liked Man of Steel.

842
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,480
But that's where I'm trying to think, Like what else Taylor?

843
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,400
I was trying to say, because I agree with Mike

844
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,599
about Last Jedi, and I said, maybe this was a

845
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,880
good episode to do one more like I said, like

846
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,760
Last Jedi, Bbs, I said, maybe mans Steel. What do

847
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,559
you think are there? Is there any other films that

848
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:09,000
jumped to mind that just like Win the Discord, like

849
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,199
like the Discourse just like started and never never change,

850
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,599
you know, like it's just from that point on, you know,

851
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,800
even though it's not a movie. I could also say

852
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,639
when James Gunn was hired as DC president, I feel

853
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:24,239
like from them there's always been like a fighting and whatnot.

854
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,559
But does anything, Oh this is a pretty good one, uh,

855
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,159
Mike says Last Jedi Ghostbusters twenty sixteen, Captain Marvel Bbs

856
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,920
I would still I would boot Captain Marvel still from

857
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,519
Mass Steel because I think my prom Captain Marvel is

858
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,199
that's tough because Captain Marvel Ghostbusters both suffer from like

859
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400
red eye syndrome, you know where I feel like Man

860
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Steel where BVS and Last Jedi had discourse that wasn't

861
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,000
just like it's woke, it's this. It felt more like

862
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,760
it was about this is you are hurting the net,

863
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,360
like the characters like their core, like, that's not my

864
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,800
Luke sky Walker, that's not my Batman. Where that's where

865
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,360
I still put Ghostbusters. I can take that because I

866
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,440
can see people be like, that's not my Ghostbusters Captain Marvel.

867
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:11,039
No one was saying that's not my my Carrold Animals,

868
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:12,960
people like who the fuck's cat to Marvel? Like, So

869
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,079
that's where I still would put Man of Steel because

870
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,320
that was a lot of that's not my Superman. But

871
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,079
does any other film jump into mind that? The discourse

872
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:21,880
just got so heavy when it came out. But those

873
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,440
are good ones.

874
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,039
Speaker 2: Jeez.

875
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,199
Speaker 1: I think Last Year and BVS are the top though

876
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,119
those two I think are the tippy top.

877
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: Those two together, Yeah, I would say that's right. Gosh, Okay,

878
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,719
Ghostbusters is a good one. I can't really can't think

879
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,159
of anything.

880
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, may we'll cycle back to it. Maybe we've talked

881
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:43,199
about some other shows we might do. Maybe that's a

882
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,880
good one to cycle back and look through the eons

883
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,599
of time. But before we continue on, Superman says the

884
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,199
Last shed I, Oh sorry, last year is the only

885
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,400
loss if you're take an account of that cause disaster

886
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,199
of Rise of Skywalker. So here's the thing, Sataya says, lost.

887
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,239
So here's my here's my argument here. You know, movie

888
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,800
made over billion dollars, a bunch of money. You know,

889
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:05,920
you could argue that might be the most beautiful stars film.

890
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,039
Some of the shots in there, My god, like the

891
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,280
ending back on cret Jeez, Louise. I think Mark Hamill

892
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,880
is great again. That's another big decision. And I think

893
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,360
you could make the argument that Adam Driver gives the

894
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,079
best single performance in Star Wars. And maybe there's overall

895
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,800
you can put different movies and whatnot, but in one

896
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,960
single project, I don't know if anyone's as good as

897
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,679
Adam Driver in Last Shedi period. He is incredible in

898
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,679
that movie, and it makes some bold choices too. I

899
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,719
think that's why people love it like I remember that

900
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,039
ending with the Throne room and him killing Snoke, like

901
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:37,920
there's some choice for like, man, you guys got the

902
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,400
Cajones right here right. My problem is, and this will

903
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,480
spoil my thoughts to the next one and we'll just

904
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:45,719
lump them together. I think it has to be a

905
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,840
loss as well. But I also think the risa Skywalker

906
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,599
has to be a loss because my opinion is not

907
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,320
even to do with the box office, the online discord,

908
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,440
which the discourse, which you can put in there as

909
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,480
a loss. Well, my thing is the reason those are

910
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,760
losses is because they didn't really play those out at all.

911
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:03,000
They just did the whole walt We're gonna let JJ

912
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:04,440
do it, and Ryan's gonna come and do it, and

913
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,400
then we're gonna let JJ. That's why to me, it's

914
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,440
kind of like they both take the ship down. Even

915
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,000
though if you I'm not say you can't like the movie,

916
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,840
and I'm saying both billion dollar movies super successful for them.

917
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:17,360
People like to paint else wise, like obviously there's some backlash,

918
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,519
but still it's not like last Jedi came out and

919
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:21,880
then writes Skywalker came out like plumbing a big time.

920
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,920
It's still the lowest, but still made a billion dollars,

921
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,320
which is hard to do nowadays. So to me, that's

922
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,880
where I am. It's just because they did not force Wickens,

923
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,800
I thought was a great setup and a great push

924
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,519
to get stars back they should have had. I know

925
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,719
George didn't exactly have all that all mapped out, but

926
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,199
he had enough of the beats in my mind for that.

927
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,559
And the prequels that's where it's like. The sequel trilogy

928
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,639
are better main movies from a film standpoint, but the

929
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,639
prequels story take out the writing, like this dialogue and

930
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:53,519
script and everything. The story is better because it's like

931
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,920
it's a it's a one eight to one b Like

932
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,199
there's a line of where they're going, right, there's some

933
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,320
stuff that makes sense, but there's a line where the

934
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,280
line to force wakens the last Jedi, right, skywalkers all

935
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,960
over the map. So would you agree that you'd put

936
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,440
them both in the loss category?

937
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd put them both in the loss.

938
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got their money, but they it was worth it.

939
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,039
Who knows, uh. Next year, I don't know where we're

940
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:21,480
gonna come down on this one solo A Star Wars story,

941
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,320
I feel like and I'll make my pitch because I

942
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,000
know how much you like it, and make Solo two

943
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,960
happen all that stuff. I feel like it. It does

944
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,280
have to be a loss because one the.

945
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: Money Jedi, this is last Jedi that damn right, affected that,

946
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:39,119
I would.

947
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Say, yeah, But then right, Skywalker made a billion.

948
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: Because it's a main and a main story, main story film, right.

949
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Maybe, or people just did not, including myself, want to

950
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,360
see Han Soul without Harrison Ford. Right, that's another thing

951
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,679
where it's just like they didn't want that, they didn't

952
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,639
want a prequel. I don't buy the l And it

953
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,599
also came out the same time as Deadpool and Ifinny

954
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,440
War remember that same month. So I'm gonna say with Solo,

955
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,840
there's a bunch of reasons. I don't think it's just one.

956
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,719
I think last Shit I did a little bit of that.

957
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,800
I think, okay, I'll take this back. It's not that

958
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,000
Harrison Ford's done the role. They didn't find a guy

959
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:17,119
that had the Harrison Ford energy. I think we can

960
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:20,880
all admit to that. Well, I don't know if you

961
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,760
say like that, but he no, he is nothing like

962
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,880
Harrison Ford. He's not he cannot.

963
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: Play he's not like Harrison Ford, but he's very much

964
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,079
he played Solo.

965
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: I know he's not Han Solo. He's not. That's not

966
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Han Solo. That's my Fairy Star Wars character hashtag not

967
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,760
my Han Solo. But take that out. Why I think

968
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,119
it's a loss for two reasons. One that was I

969
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,039
think the real start of their problems of remember that

970
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,360
movie had two different directors, and midway through they canned

971
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,400
them and reshot the whole movie. So I feel like

972
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,639
this was the start of the whole let's like, oh,

973
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,960
this isn't working, let's throw everything. Like I feel like

974
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,760
if this movie didn't keep going, we would have been

975
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,119
the situation whe where they would have announced Solo and it

976
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,440
would have just been killed, like the way that's happened

977
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,679
with the Ray thing, with the Taika thing, with the

978
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,159
Ryan Johnson trilogy. I feel like it would have had

979
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,519
the same fate where ah, whatever, let's just not do it.

980
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:11,920
So I think it really started to show some seams

981
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,599
in the system. And my thing is why it's a

982
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,599
lost here. For whatever reason it came out, it did

983
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,760
not perform well, and it scared them from making spin

984
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,639
off movies. We talked all this before. I really wish.

985
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,880
I prefer I watch someone made that Obi Wan movie cut.

986
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,760
That's way better than the show other than some editing

987
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,280
snaff foos, I'd say, but that scared them from making spinoff.

988
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,840
So that's why I would say to the loss, nothing

989
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,159
to do with the quality. I'd say, they put that

990
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:38,039
out and what they should have done. Okay, that didn't work,

991
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,920
what's next, what's else? But they didn't. They got scared,

992
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,960
they tugged their tails and they ran. They made the

993
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,400
Skywalker thing, and then they're we're just gonna do TV

994
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:49,159
shows and obviously COVID and strikes happen. I get that,

995
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:51,559
but we knew for a while there was no movies

996
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,679
really being planned, and now we see, right how many

997
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,000
movies got made and they didn't. So that's my pitchy

998
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,039
why it's in the loss. There's nothing to do with quality,

999
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,719
just the fact of one, some big production issues were

1000
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,320
starting with lucasfilm. As far as you agree to these

1001
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,440
guys direct this film and the midway you don't like it, Like,

1002
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,119
how come you guys then talk this out? And two

1003
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,920
it scared them from other spinoff movies for a while.

1004
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,239
We'll see, and I don't I'm still not killing Maniwar

1005
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,320
and Grogu because that's not that's a spinoff for a spinoff, right, Like,

1006
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:19,119
that's a proven TV show. So that's my pitch, tare

1007
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:20,679
of why's and loss? What say you?

1008
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,199
Speaker 2: Oh, I say that. I don't think it is the

1009
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,000
movie's fault that they you know, they decided to put

1010
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:33,199
it up in a very very short time frame after

1011
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,440
the last Star Wars movie and the last Stars movie

1012
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,360
being Yeah that I.

1013
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,639
Speaker 1: With it and that's it. Yeah, absolutely, that's another factor.

1014
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,400
Plus it only keep it four months after last Star

1015
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,760
Wars movie too soon. They train us to associate Star

1016
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,960
Wars with Christmas event, which is funny though, because Mando

1017
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:48,920
and Starfight are not Christmas.

1018
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: There in May no Avatar, right Avatars there new.

1019
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah that's what happened. Avatar made all the money,

1020
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,559
they ditch Star Wars, like, yeah, you don't get that

1021
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,119
Christmas slot anymore. So m hmm.

1022
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,519
Speaker 2: I just think that they they set it, they set

1023
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,559
it up to be doing poor with the fact that hey,

1024
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,719
we're going to release it four months after a very

1025
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,599
highly controversial Star Wars film has divided the fan base,

1026
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,320
and yeah, it's just it's it's unfortunate. I can see

1027
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,760
where it, like from what it earned at the box

1028
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,880
office and the damage that has been done to it

1029
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,519
based on the other Last Jedi, I feel like it

1030
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:25,199
will be in the loss, as much as I try

1031
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,760
to fight for it. But it's a dang good movie.

1032
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,000
I really really do enjoy it, and it's a fun

1033
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,239
anthology story, and it's just it's nice to get something

1034
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,239
that is very much on the big screen and was

1035
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,360
not so heavily tied into like the main saga like

1036
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:44,239
Rogue One is heavily attached to that because you're getting

1037
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,800
these characters and the rebellion everything, and the empire and

1038
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,400
these high ranking imperials. Everything really tied into that story

1039
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,119
and the main saga films. But this it's just really,

1040
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:57,199
even though you get Solo, you're still really really just

1041
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,079
at that baseline of just this is uh, you know,

1042
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:05,199
a smuggler story, just up and coming kind of guy,

1043
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,679
a low guy trying to make his way up in

1044
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,800
the universe by doing heists and jobs. And I think

1045
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,559
that's too bad that we can get some more build

1046
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,599
up off of that, because you know, it's that that

1047
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,000
was the start of them dipping their toes more into

1048
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,079
other Star Wars stories, and Star Wars is so huge

1049
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,039
that we could just happ into so many stories. You

1050
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,159
don't need to be do a reboots, you don't need

1051
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,360
to do anything like that. There's so many planets in

1052
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,719
places you can go to. We can do.

1053
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: So so much. Talk to them in ten years they

1054
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:35,039
might need to do a reboot. But you know, in

1055
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:39,719
honor of shut the fuck, I'm not gonna talk about that,

1056
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,360
I do bear ignoring it. Miscast with Han Solo writings,

1057
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,239
Bary me so Han Solo, they get the blast like

1058
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,440
all the bad prequel stuff you hate. The fucking sequel

1059
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,000
set up with Darth Maul was lame, a bunch of stuff,

1060
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:58,239
so many problems in that Hansol is a character too,

1061
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,159
does not work. Yeah, that movie is definitely like low

1062
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,519
low tier Disney Star Wars stuff. So but not the

1063
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,400
reason I have this is loss. So let's go to problem

1064
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,119
This might be some easier ones. Let's go to the television.

1065
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,719
But on the animated side. So what do we think

1066
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,039
about rebels.

1067
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: Oh, that's an absolute win for sure. I've not heard

1068
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,679
any one talk badly about that show. And well, it's

1069
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,760
one of those examples too. Where it starts off really

1070
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,079
really kidty. It just it gets more grown up, an adult,

1071
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,519
and they don't hold back when some of these characters

1072
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:38,880
start getting killed off. Yeah, it's just what is the

1073
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:45,880
term for, oh man, lackluster? No? Not that? What are

1074
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:51,199
Jedi called that became Jedi after Order sixty six?

1075
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,639
Speaker 1: That is a bitch is Yeah, not canon in my opinion,

1076
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,800
not canon. They should be not can There should be

1077
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,440
no fucking Jedi is left when Luke's bopping around. But

1078
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:03,000
you know, I.

1079
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: Digress talk for a second.

1080
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Anyways, I'm just can. I'm with Taylor. I think this

1081
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,199
is a win. I think also they couldn't do Clone

1082
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,440
Wars right away, but I think this is was a win.

1083
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:14,960
It was a fun introduction. And yeah, I don't like

1084
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,280
a lot of the beats that they do in there

1085
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,400
as far as the overall stories, but the characters within

1086
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,519
them are good. I'm somebody that I I prefer It's

1087
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,559
sacrilegious saying I prefer Rebels to Clone Wars. I like

1088
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,559
the narrative, I like some of that time period. And again,

1089
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,840
there's some issues I have with the original Clone Wars

1090
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,440
show that I just think is just some like almost

1091
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,119
more kiddy, right, And there's stuff where it does hell

1092
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,480
with Anakin, but other times it hurts it where it's

1093
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,639
just like, how come no Jedi's talking to about this

1094
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,679
thing he did? Like this is so out there. It's

1095
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,800
like like it just makes it seem like they're even wars,

1096
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,280
you know. So, But yeah, I put rebels in the

1097
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,039
win that led to Ahsoka, which you know, we'll find

1098
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:51,840
out later if that's a winner or loss, but yeah,

1099
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,239
I'd put that in there. That was just the start

1100
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,199
of it. So it's you know, here's a new animated show.

1101
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,480
There you go. Did you find your term?

1102
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: I can't find a term, but a story is that

1103
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,440
focus on Jedi becoming Jedi after the Purge. I really

1104
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,119
really like that kind of stuff. And with Ezra Bridger,

1105
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,519
He's he wasn't my favorite character at the start, but

1106
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,639
I really like him and where he kind of develops

1107
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:14,320
and becomes more of a wholesome Jedi ah at the

1108
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,119
end of it. I really like the show. I think

1109
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:18,639
that they again they bring in some really cool things,

1110
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,519
the Inquisitors and with Mal trying to take in Bridger,

1111
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,880
and then you get Rex and the Clones and all

1112
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,119
these are really really emotional arcs and sequences. It's really

1113
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:27,679
really cool.

1114
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say these two together very different, but

1115
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:33,800
I think we're gonna be on opposing sides, but I

1116
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,639
think we should try to come to the same side.

1117
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:37,320
So I'm gonna say resistance.

1118
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,079
Speaker 2: Wait wait, were we putting rebels on win?

1119
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1120
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: When that's okay?

1121
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: Yay, I think so.

1122
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1123
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: I think it did a good established like a new

1124
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,079
character's dipping your toes and Dizzy animates to start. There's

1125
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:50,119
some good crossover. I still think they made a mistake

1126
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:52,920
never making dar from on Darth Vador fight, but I aggress,

1127
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,320
but it.

1128
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: Might happen in the new show.

1129
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: People are talking, oh god, all right, Resistance and bad Batch.

1130
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: Bad Batch is a win, bad Batch is a loss.

1131
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:07,559
Bad Bats two.

1132
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: That's why not a good thing no to me? For me,

1133
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,239
and I'm saying resistance as well, because I think you

1134
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,519
would put resistance. There's no reason not to make resistance

1135
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,280
a win because it really affects nothing. It's just like

1136
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,000
a little kids show that's on a channel that gets

1137
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,039
some viewers. But if you think it's a loss, I

1138
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:27,599
can agree there for me. A bad Batch and WAPs

1139
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,719
with darf Maul The reason I would put them in

1140
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,599
the loss is because it's just Folony is still just

1141
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:37,119
stuck in that one era clone like Rebels, clone Wars,

1142
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:40,400
bad Batch and mall they're just all too similar. And

1143
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,360
that's where we've talked about before, where yeah, it's great

1144
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,960
to die in that stuff. I know you love dying

1145
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,079
those new like the other Commandos and went up. At

1146
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,719
the same time, it's like how you're talking about Solo

1147
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,239
or act like finally getting these new things wouldn't have

1148
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,840
been great if just one one of these fucking Folony

1149
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,800
like TV shows would have been like an Ami show.

1150
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,960
And even his live action stuff is ahska that he

1151
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,480
dress like great if it would have been let's dive

1152
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:04,079
into something else again. I know the word is he

1153
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,159
doesn't like the Old Republic, but like High Republic, something else,

1154
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,719
like anything else, you know, like even tales, which we'll

1155
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,400
get into that's a bit similar. So for me, I

1156
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,480
think both Resistance and bad Batch are lost as far

1157
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,719
not the quality, just it just felt like it felt

1158
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,079
like they said, hey, Dave, you got to make some

1159
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,880
for Disney Plasant Eah, just do a bad Batch and Resistance.

1160
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,079
I think it was just like kind of very nothing like,

1161
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:26,800
I think they could have done more with that show,

1162
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,280
so that's why it's lost. So for me, that's why

1163
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,199
those two are lost. But see, if you're trying to

1164
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,880
sell me not quality show, why bad Batch should be

1165
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,880
a win, because like, I don't think it, Like we

1166
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,199
talked about this before too. When Bad Batch was coming out,

1167
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,800
that show had after the first season, zero talk about it. It

1168
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,039
felt like that show wasn't even releasing. No one was

1169
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,679
talking about bad Batch other than I know you Clay

1170
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,639
Katie and other like hardcore Star Wars geeks. But like

1171
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,559
that show was doa after that.

1172
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: First so I think, yeah, first season was a bit rocky.

1173
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,159
And again you have these characters that are very very

1174
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:07,800
much flamboyant personalities as we got to see it RecA, RecA,

1175
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,559
Hunt Tech, Echo, cross.

1176
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: Hair, are you fucking kidding me?

1177
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: Recor again for a show and for them having very

1178
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,360
flamboyant personalities and the clone Wars, and then it just

1179
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,639
amplifying that and that first season a bad Batch. When

1180
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,679
you get to the second season and then the third season,

1181
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,639
the show really brings them down, brings them down quite

1182
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:40,679
a bit, but it brings those characters personalities down back

1183
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,159
to back to to Earth in a very good way,

1184
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:47,119
and then you get some of really that really dark

1185
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:49,480
stuff that you got in those later seasons the Clone Wars.

1186
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,280
That's just all bad Batch. They pull so much of

1187
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,400
the humor out and replace it with just very serious

1188
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,320
and emotional moments and just the crazy shit that happens

1189
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,880
and the deaths and everything that goes on. And they

1190
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,559
take things that were really big highlights from the Clone

1191
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,000
Wars and then they spread that and create a really

1192
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,559
like it's not just arcs anymore. You have a by

1193
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:13,400
the time you get to the third season, you have

1194
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,440
a point a to be consistent narrative where you have

1195
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,760
things that were pulled from the Clone Wars that were enjoyable,

1196
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,719
and then it's thrown into Palpatine's plan and now it's okay,

1197
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,599
you got the bad Batch that are just trying to

1198
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,760
do this this objective with Omega, but Omega is a

1199
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,320
very higher part of Palpatine's plan.

1200
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,519
Speaker 1: And brand new people. It gave us a bunch of story.

1201
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,039
It brought old people, I mean viewers, I mean viewers.

1202
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,239
It did not bring anybody that's laps right now. It

1203
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,320
was just two inside Baseball and stuff like Palpatine's plans,

1204
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,360
all this stuff. Why the fuck does it matter at

1205
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,559
this point what Palpatine had already been brought back and

1206
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:51,440
killed again.

1207
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: Yes, but the thing is he was brought back and killed,

1208
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,679
but you don't have any proper context. That's one of

1209
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,679
the losses for Rise of Skywalker. You don't understand anything.

1210
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,960
It's like, oh, dark Magic secrets, only the Sith new.

1211
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,599
But what I appreciate what bad Batch did was bad

1212
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:09,920
Batch created the foundation along with working with Mandalorian's story

1213
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,639
a little bit too of like, okay, here with Project Necromancer,

1214
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,280
here's everything that's kind of going on in the background

1215
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,559
of everything with Palpatine and his plan. And that's what

1216
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:21,559
I like is that we're not just going to a book.

1217
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:23,679
But you don't have Disney say, okay, read this book

1218
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,320
with this comic to kind of learn what was up

1219
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,320
with Palpatine. No, we're going to put this story in

1220
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,239
a visual representation that you can actually sit down and watch,

1221
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,360
and you can see Palpatine building up towards his Project

1222
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,159
Necromancer in leading over the Rise of Skywalker. Which that's

1223
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,079
that's a big win for me. That's what I'm really

1224
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:42,840
really thankful for. On top of the fact that the

1225
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,480
show is just so so fantastic.

1226
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: Show is not fantastic.

1227
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: I think if you got to season three, you'd be

1228
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:51,480
complete one eighty yeah, but.

1229
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: Then you gotta get the season, get through season one,

1230
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,119
and that's stuff. And these characters did well.

1231
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 2: You already did it, you already finished season one.

1232
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I can't in good consc say

1233
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,360
do you didn't tell me anything? It gave you some

1234
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,559
canon notes. Cool that in a day they can make

1235
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,000
a fucking book, a live action show and be like, ah,

1236
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:11,880
that didn't happen. So that's why when your cells like, oh,

1237
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,960
gives us more of the cannon, it's like, doesn't matter.

1238
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,480
Someone can make a movie, make a seek.

1239
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,119
Speaker 2: It's not just the cannon, but it seeks to repair

1240
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:21,239
the damage that rise of Skywalker. And last they had

1241
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:21,840
an act it.

1242
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,079
Speaker 1: And did it.

1243
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: I think it did.

1244
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: I know it didn't.

1245
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: But people aren't running to see a car toon and

1246
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:26,679
it's like, oh, kids.

1247
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: Should and that. But that's what I mean. Maybe this

1248
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:29,760
should have been a live action.

1249
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,679
Speaker 2: Then live action then I feel like you get the

1250
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,039
issue of Solo a Star Wars story.

1251
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,679
Speaker 1: Well, and then we put the lost category. So if

1252
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,719
it's that's the thing where it's like, to me, I

1253
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,119
don't think it did anything to repair It's not like

1254
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,519
I've got tons of people that have said, hey, the

1255
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,480
Clone Wars really helped me with the prequels. Until you've

1256
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,159
said this, I've not heard a single soul say, oh,

1257
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,719
the bad Batch really made Rise of Skywalker way more accessible.

1258
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: Everyone just hates the you know, we need to wait

1259
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,840
ten years for the sequel, trilling Clone Wars.

1260
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: But no, the Clone Wars right away people were onto

1261
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:05,880
it and like enjoying that the bad Batch. They were not.

1262
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,239
Maybe if we were doing this list in ten years

1263
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,039
has an uprising, sure, but you can admit that it's not.

1264
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,119
That show is barely viewed by We're going too this.

1265
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: List of ten years from now again, and we're gonna

1266
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,559
see people were talking about, oh, the bad Batch just

1267
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,679
made Rise of Skywarker so much better for me.

1268
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,719
Speaker 1: Oh, you'd be like, hey, did bad Batch make Rice

1269
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:24,920
Skywalker band in the bank? What's the bad Batch? You know,

1270
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,760
that's what's gonna be happening. Putting in the lost category

1271
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:28,960
with resistance.

1272
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,559
Speaker 2: Fine, I'll popping in there for a now.

1273
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,519
Speaker 1: Like I said, we're talking about the brand.

1274
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,719
Speaker 2: It's in there. Not it's only temporary.

1275
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: No, it's permanent, trust me, it's permanent. The Clone. I'm

1276
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,800
gonna count this one. The Clone War's revival in twenty twenty.

1277
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a win. Order sixty six.

1278
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: Everything that was in there, We've been there before.

1279
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: What to do for the brand? Oh my god, that

1280
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,599
was just I think all I heard is everyone just

1281
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,960
raving about it, just blowing their minds everything. Like people

1282
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,920
were just going crazy for that with a Soka turn

1283
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:01,039
on like rac all.

1284
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it still has being lost kind of think

1285
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,920
it has been hang on for this reason. Let me

1286
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,360
hear it, let me hear me out. So, no, I'm joking. No,

1287
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,320
I think it's win because the thing is. I think

1288
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,159
the reason it's a win is for the one particular

1289
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:19,360
reason was in twenty twenty. This has nothing to do

1290
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,159
with the time, like it does have anything to do

1291
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:22,800
the time that they didn't know COVID was coming. But

1292
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:26,199
in a year when there was very little content overall

1293
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,000
to put this out there and people enjoyed it to

1294
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:32,079
an m degree, that was That's where I heard chatter

1295
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,960
for something being cinematic, for animated stuff. So I think

1296
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,320
the good thing is with that is I think people

1297
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,519
were starting to check out of the animated stuff a

1298
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:41,920
little bit, and that gave it a show in the arm.

1299
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,960
Now I don't think again, I just said this with

1300
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:47,599
bad Batch. I even think this would tails a little bit,

1301
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,480
even though I don't know if that's win or loss.

1302
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,159
I think they didn't capitalize on it. So I think

1303
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:56,880
it's similar to Force Awakens for me, where it was

1304
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,639
because Rebels ends in twenty eighteen Resistance, I'm not gonna count.

1305
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:03,199
No one's really watching that, and then yeah, there's nothing

1306
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:04,760
else in the Clone Wars. To me, that was a

1307
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,360
Shawn the Arm like okay, some great animation, here we

1308
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,599
go again. Like I said, they didn't do much with it,

1309
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:11,119
but that's where it To me, it's like Forced Awakens,

1310
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,239
where it was a Shawn Arm for the brand, came

1311
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:16,440
in a good time with COVID, but unfortunately didn't follow up.

1312
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,360
But yeah, I would still give it if the wind

1313
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,320
category Taylor, So you're safe, okay. I guess said we're

1314
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,880
not gonna count Young Jedi Ventures. That's just a show

1315
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,480
for kids. Like that's fine. It's it's four season, it's

1316
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:31,000
clear it's doing well enough. This is a tough one

1317
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,880
for me because I really don't know just the Tails series.

1318
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: I think it started off pretty strong, but there I

1319
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,639
feel like they're squandering a little bit.

1320
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the problem. It feels like it's just one

1321
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,079
of those things of like a check box, like we

1322
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:47,960
just need some content, you know.

1323
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Tails, the Jedi, getting the Yattle, stuff, getting

1324
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,000
Douku turning, getting Young Ahsoka even like that was some

1325
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,760
cool stuff. I preferred, like the Yaddle and the Douku

1326
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,559
arc that was definitely pretty awesome, with like losing Qui

1327
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,920
Gon and stuff, really really cool stuff and him even

1328
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,800
with Qui Gon doing missions and Qui Gon questioning him.

1329
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: Well, and again that's what we talked about. And I

1330
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,159
like the Ahsoka character a lot. That's what we talked about.

1331
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:13,960
That stuff was great. But I because it Mike says

1332
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,480
there should be a third category of draw things that

1333
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,239
had zero effect.

1334
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,039
Speaker 2: I do agree with you.

1335
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: I do agree with you in context, but then we

1336
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,239
won't debate, Mike, So we're not doing that. That's because

1337
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,199
then we would just we'd tattooony draws, Mike. But I

1338
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,039
agree with you in a sense, bad Batch could be that.

1339
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:30,079
I think Tales could be that. But I think the

1340
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:33,599
reason it's tough because like that was the great thing

1341
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:35,599
of tales, was exploring some new stories. But at the

1342
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,039
same time, it's like, oh, here's a zoak again, and

1343
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:39,719
then they're very like short episodes too, you know, Like

1344
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,760
that's my pitch of like for bad Batch, even though

1345
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,440
I know you're like, like I would have taken the

1346
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,719
swap of like bad Batch, get the mini episodes and

1347
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,320
then imagine like how bad Batch was, like what eight episodes,

1348
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,320
six episodes? How long was there like the first couple

1349
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,159
of seasons or the first season or two the.

1350
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:59,159
Speaker 2: First season was like fifteen or sixteen episodes.

1351
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if we got fifteen to sixteen episodes

1352
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,039
of Qui Gon account Dooku together.

1353
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: It'd be pretty good.

1354
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: So that's why I think tales for me is a loss,

1355
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,400
because it's like showing potential. It's someone, it's it's your

1356
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:13,920
about you're having sex, and you tell a person I'm

1357
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,800
about to get to the finish point and they stop

1358
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,239
and like, well, maybe there'll be more tales next time

1359
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,480
they walk away. I think there would be a draw.

1360
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,400
But for me, I would put this. I'd put this

1361
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,320
in the Lost Gategory because it's lots of potential, but

1362
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,079
it's untapped potential.

1363
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it is untapped potential because that the first season,

1364
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:33,400
excuse me, it was really really strong and really really awesome,

1365
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,400
but then Tales of the Empire didn't even feel like

1366
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,559
Empire for half of it because it was just the

1367
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:43,639
Dathamerians versus General Grievous, which I love that art. Grievous

1368
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:49,039
was fucking terrifying, like run just fucking did you ever

1369
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:49,519
watch it?

1370
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: No? I haven't.

1371
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: Grievous is a top ten in that and I will

1372
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,239
say again, but it's not doing anything for the franchise.

1373
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,800
But Tails the Underworld, the whole cad Bane arc was

1374
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:03,679
fucking fantastic and it caught me off guard. And then

1375
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:06,599
everything with with Ventures too, the Ventures arc that was

1376
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:08,719
really really exciting as well, but the cat Bane.

1377
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:12,239
Speaker 1: Lost more.

1378
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,679
Speaker 2: They don't break it, they they they do a very

1379
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:20,599
thorough job at the start saying here we're correcting, like

1380
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:23,840
any breaking you think happened, So they fix that. But

1381
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:28,760
the cat Baine thing is just a fantastic, fantastic arc.

1382
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,639
I really like it, but again, it's not doing anything

1383
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:36,039
for the overall franchise. So yeah, wa what do you do, right,

1384
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:38,159
I mean I I think that they should focus on

1385
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,119
they should do more tales like get us the Tales

1386
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,000
of the Scyth. That's what everyone thought we were going

1387
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:44,440
to be getting at some point here. And then you

1388
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,199
get like you get Baine in there, and then you

1389
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:48,639
get like Revin and.

1390
01:02:48,599 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: All that's like the head of animation. He ain't touching

1391
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,280
old Republic stuff.

1392
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:55,639
Speaker 2: That's why you're never going to see Tails of the Sith.

1393
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I'm saying that's a loss.

1394
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a loss.

1395
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's stuff, Mike. It's a good point of problem

1396
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,039
is ninety nine percent of stars fans don't well I

1397
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:06,559
won't say nine to nine percent. I think that's a

1398
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,840
little high, but ninety percent of fans don't watch them

1399
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,639
and stuff, so it's kind of impossible for any of

1400
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:13,719
them to affect the brand as a whole. Yeah. I

1401
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,480
don't like completely obviously create the percentage. I think it's

1402
01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:21,159
more just like it doesn't have any impact. Right, and

1403
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:24,119
there's the other you know, it's just stutch away for

1404
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:26,639
a second. But I'm gonna argue Visions is a win

1405
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:28,679
because that had an impact to me. It's when you

1406
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,239
have a people that are even if it's just Star

1407
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,920
Wars fans talking about it. Where we I was on

1408
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,039
those first reviews for bad Batch. We have a stars

1409
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:39,280
channel in this coord no one talked about bad Batch, right,

1410
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,199
same thing like in GUA, it's like, oh yeah, but

1411
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,360
I watched it. That's it. Where something like a Vision's

1412
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,280
I'm not saying everybody because like still small amount of people,

1413
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,119
but that had so much love and so much oh man,

1414
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:52,400
you gotta check this out or just raining boy, like

1415
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,559
we need more of this. That's where for me, like

1416
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:56,679
that's where it's considered a winner loss when it just

1417
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,000
kind of has no effect. That to me, I could

1418
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,400
be a loss obviously a bad effect. It's a loss

1419
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,880
as well, so I guess it's harder, right, more ways

1420
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,920
to lose than win. But even then, like Visions, I'm

1421
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,159
sure it's not like pulling huge mumbo jumbo numbers, but

1422
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:15,199
they've on the third season and that is one of

1423
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:17,960
the most creative. That's the that might be other than

1424
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:20,360
now I would say and or season two, but like

1425
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,119
other than that, to me, that is might be and

1426
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,840
and you know, Kyler ren Adam Driver, that's the best

1427
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,159
thing that's coming to Star Wars Disney era as visions

1428
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:30,840
like and I at first, because I'm not even be

1429
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,679
anime guy, I thought, all right, like this is this

1430
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,119
is something like, this is like cool, We'll get to

1431
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:38,880
see some different styles, let's see. But the stories like

1432
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,719
they've done it in a way where there's so many

1433
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,440
stories that they created in that world that I'd be

1434
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,880
more interested in than what is happening in the actual

1435
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,280
canon stuff, right, And but yeah, the animation is very

1436
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,840
hard alvisosly that's why we're kicking Young Jedi Adventures out there.

1437
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,360
So Austin's just our predictions and whatnot and everything so

1438
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,719
or not. Our predictions just are you know, I don't know,

1439
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,480
assessment of what's happened in the past a little while.

1440
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:09,719
But yeah, we will see tfil is not back, he said,

1441
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,400
any of three more minutes. Let me look at this

1442
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,960
other list and see what's going on here. The Disney

1443
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,519
era Comton. Yeah, I'm not gonna tell aleut com books

1444
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,400
High Republic I thought, you know was a win. I'm

1445
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,840
still some books behind. I didn't get there, but uh

1446
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:26,599
yeah we got some still, we got some stuff coming

1447
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:30,880
up here. How many shows were got one, two, three, four, five, six,

1448
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,320
seven seven shows to talk about. I guess eight when visions,

1449
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,760
but yeah, for me, visions clear win. Let's see. Another

1450
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,920
problem comes in when you expect people to watch themate

1451
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,000
stuff to understand the live action stuff like Ahsoka. That

1452
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:48,559
one for me is a Ahsoka is a very That's

1453
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,920
a tough one because I know tons of people really

1454
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,480
don't like it. But I think that did have at

1455
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,760
times some impact as far as like the community. You know,

1456
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,440
it as like some debate with Ron and Anakin. But yeah,

1457
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,079
that's that's a tough one for me. I know Tay's

1458
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:06,599
gonna say that's an absolute win for him when he

1459
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:09,960
got into back watch Litsten, listen listeners and watch viewers

1460
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,679
when he comes back, Oh Soca, Oh, absolutely a big

1461
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:16,440
time winning. But I just I don't know, like it's

1462
01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:19,400
that that would almost be like the draw category as well.

1463
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,360
But again that's what we're not doing the draws because

1464
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,840
we would not debate them. And uh, maybe he'll try

1465
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,199
to sell me on why Ahsoka might be a win there.

1466
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,320
I have one angle of why it might be a win,

1467
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:35,039
but we'll see. But uh yeah, well, while away from

1468
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:37,559
you pull up some of these conversations we've done before,

1469
01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:39,360
not the audio, but I'm just gonna pup some of

1470
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,800
these topics. No, he's back. Here we go. I see

1471
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,679
him sitting down here, there we go. I try to

1472
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:48,480
kill as much time as possible. Taylor Visions win or loss.

1473
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: Visions is it's gotta be a win because all I

1474
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,280
hear people praising this franchise.

1475
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,639
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying that I was saying to

1476
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:58,480
Mike where to Visions because he we talked about the

1477
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,920
animate stuff. We're going back and forth bit there with Visions.

1478
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,199
For me, it's like, I don't think it's got massive ratings,

1479
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:07,280
but it's since third season. And for me, that's where

1480
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,719
I say, like bad Batch or other shows like a

1481
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,559
live action shows too, where we got a Star Wars Discord, Discord,

1482
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:15,000
other people that I know, they don't talk about those things,

1483
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,079
but Visions. Every time that thing comes out, people are

1484
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,679
talking about that, praising it, loving it. I said that

1485
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,239
some of my favorite Star Wars since Disney got and

1486
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,880
I would have never thought that. So yeah, to me,

1487
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:26,280
that's a big time win.

1488
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:29,639
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean we're getting the third season of

1489
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:31,639
this or third volume we weren't even supposed to be

1490
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:33,440
getting more right, it's just like a one off.

1491
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're getting a sequel and stories. I still

1492
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,480
gotta read the book of that, like roll like Samurai one. Yeah,

1493
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:41,519
I gotta read that book. So all right, so we

1494
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:44,239
got our last seven things. We got uh the seven

1495
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,679
live action series. Okay, I think these are two easy ones.

1496
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:47,440
The Mandalorian.

1497
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a win. I came out again right when

1498
01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:53,800
like Disney Plus launched COVID everything, Like.

1499
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, easy win for me. Honestly, we'll see now Man

1500
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:01,880
warn Grogu if we ever, that'll be a different conversation

1501
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,440
because I'm so curious to see. Hey, people that already

1502
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,679
watched Man Lurien, are they gonna pay for that? Or

1503
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,639
they just wanted any Star Wars? Are they Does that

1504
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:12,000
just show the Stars brand is not dead but just

1505
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,480
hurt overall, you know, no matter what they put up.

1506
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:16,399
But the show itself was a win, even though season

1507
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,920
three was a trail off. That was a big juice

1508
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,039
moment for Disney Plus. Uh and Grogu, right, Grogu was

1509
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:24,199
a merch mover and people love Grogu. I think they

1510
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:25,680
did a lot of stuff, so f for me, Mandalorian

1511
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,039
is a It's a big thing there. You have three,

1512
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:30,479
you have to separate the seasons. I'm not gonna separate

1513
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,840
the seasons because then that's even then that if I did,

1514
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,760
that's like, like even if we wanted to, that's like

1515
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:40,319
I'd still say they're kinda all. Like I don't like

1516
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,800
the season three is a lawsuit. My mic says that, like,

1517
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,079
I agree with you quality wise, but I don't like.

1518
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,319
This is why I can't debate it until we get

1519
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,199
the movie. Because season three I think was not the greatest,

1520
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:53,680
but I know a lot of people that still enjoyed it,

1521
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,000
and I still don't know if the JA was completely

1522
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:58,359
like I hate this show now, I think that was

1523
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,840
a down tick. To me, I would put it as

1524
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,479
a loss if Manulre and Grogu movie does really poorly too,

1525
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,520
because then you'd say, Okay, maybe that show did her.

1526
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,560
But for me, I'm fine with just saying the whole

1527
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,520
show is a win for now. That's what I'm saying.

1528
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,039
Speaker 2: I'd say the whole show's a win for sure.

1529
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe Taylor will fight me on this, I would

1530
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,479
hope not. But the Book of Boba Fett, I'm gonna

1531
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,600
say just for the reputation of Boba fet alone, it

1532
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:27,840
is a loss. Boba Fett one of the most interesting, scary,

1533
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,399
popular characters in Star Wars history, a character that for

1534
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,479
years of Sely George Jones did the show for years.

1535
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,079
When they bring them back, when they bring him back

1536
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,239
to now, no one gives a fuck about Boba Fett.

1537
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,600
They actually have disdain for him. Even God Loves Me

1538
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,520
sixty nine for the Geek Versus on GV Day, we said, hey,

1539
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,600
put in fighters for us, right, We're gonna randomize them

1540
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,439
and we'll put fighters, he said, Boba Fett before Disney.

1541
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,039
There is that's like, there is a differentiator there, and

1542
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:58,720
that's what sucks. And I to me, I think the

1543
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,720
show that's their worst thing I've ever put out writing wise,

1544
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:05,279
acting wise, decision wise, the whole weird thing of like

1545
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:08,039
Mandalorian taking over half the season. I think there's many problems,

1546
01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:12,560
but just alone for boa Fett's character. I think they

1547
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,560
they they they took an ip that at one point

1548
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,600
could have been a billion dollar movie that could have

1549
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,159
been a massive movie for them, and it was they

1550
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:25,199
or what like, it wasn't me like they had the

1551
01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:27,520
idea because remember they were making that movie. Remember the

1552
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,760
director Fan Forced. It was gonna direct it. That stuff

1553
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,039
happened and they canceled, But they were making a boba

1554
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:34,199
fet movie, so to me, they knew what they had.

1555
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,039
But now you put a bow fet movie out there,

1556
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,399
there's that's Personda a mount grad like zero height for that,

1557
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,359
so it has to be lost. They killed one of

1558
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:43,640
the most iconic characters of all time for in the

1559
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,600
badass row and you get a charger.

1560
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: I'm in the minority because I like this show. Uh.

1561
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,680
I like everything with the Tuscan Raiders and how you

1562
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,479
know he he he came out of that that's pit

1563
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,920
of Carcoon, that Starlac pit and just on the bring

1564
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:01,680
of death and the Tuesk and Raiders took him in.

1565
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:02,720
And then through all this.

1566
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:07,079
Speaker 1: Time nice people it changed, you know, the guys that

1567
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,279
assaulted and killed Anakin's mom, you know, you know those people.

1568
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: That's their defending their property, decent people. I think that

1569
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,000
that kind of mutual understanding it helped him grow and

1570
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,119
developed as a character, and then he changed his his

1571
01:11:24,199 --> 01:11:27,039
ideals a little bit. And I there's so much on

1572
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:28,800
the show that I really really do like. I think

1573
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,159
it's a it's a fun, a fun, good time. The

1574
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,319
things that I don't like are them adding in the

1575
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,399
super colorful Speeder Bikes, the Speeder Bike gang. That was

1576
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:42,239
just absolutely tragic and horrible to that show. Them adding

1577
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,680
the Mandalorian, you know, that was a nice treat, But

1578
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,880
we got a Luke Skywalker episode in there, which is

1579
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,600
really just out of the blue.

1580
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,119
Speaker 1: That could have been its own show.

1581
01:11:52,079 --> 01:11:55,079
Speaker 2: It could have been its own show. Yeah, so that

1582
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:57,439
is that is unfortunate that we got that in there.

1583
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,800
And the biggest thing that is just a loss for

1584
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:02,960
me with this is them backtracking and just bringing Grogu

1585
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:05,920
back to the Mandalorian in Bubba Fett's show. I don't

1586
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,760
think that was the smart choice whatsoever. He should have

1587
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,560
stayed with Luke, should have trained and then have Kylo

1588
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,000
Ren face off with him and then Grogu just kick

1589
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:17,000
his ass. So no want to kill them, No, No,

1590
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:17,479
he wouldn't have.

1591
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: I don't see no Gogu in the sequels.

1592
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: He's with Mando. You know that's how they say, man who.

1593
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 1: Didn't make and I was gonna be dead at that point. Well,

1594
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:28,399
it's it gets tricky.

1595
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 2: You'll see the razorcrest in episode nine, which is though

1596
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,079
I think you see the razors cresting.

1597
01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: No, I mean, like that could be like someone like.

1598
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,279
Speaker 2: Ul got destroyed, but then you see it again in

1599
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,760
in Mandalorian and Grogu you see a razor crest in

1600
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,239
the trailer. I believe. So Anyways, I just think that

1601
01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:52,600
there are so many things I really love with and

1602
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,600
I've rewatched it a couple of times, and it's it's

1603
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,800
just it's it's definitely a good a good watch through.

1604
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,760
And that being said, I love the Bubbafet we get

1605
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,760
more in the Mandalorian Show and Mandalorian season two and three,

1606
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:09,079
especially season two. Bubbafets just rocks in that one.

1607
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:14,279
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, he's great there. Yeah, but that's a loss.

1608
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a loss.

1609
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: Alright, let's do a couple more easy ones and or.

1610
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: W Well, it's a loss because not everyone likes it. No,

1611
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:24,000
I'm kidding.

1612
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:28,319
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a win multiple like twenty four Emmy

1613
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:31,760
nominations stuff like that. That's a win. I know you're

1614
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,359
gonna like this, I know you're talking about before, but sorry,

1615
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:38,600
like act no acctlaite has to be a loss multiple reasons.

1616
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with it. It's

1617
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,840
that was like a Disney.

1618
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: I feel like, there's shows because at that point where

1619
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,399
we got Manlor and Boba Fett and or Obi Wan,

1620
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:51,159
there's shows that people came out and he didn't like.

1621
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,039
But I feel like the actlyte not talking about the

1622
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:55,960
Red Eye people. I feel like that was some of

1623
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,079
last shot where that divided a lot of people for

1624
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:00,359
X Y and Z. I'm not talking about the woke,

1625
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,800
broke crab talk about Ason can people some other stuff.

1626
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,640
But yeah, act like that was a lot and that

1627
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,560
was It just seemed like Disney was embarrassed. But they've

1628
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,239
they like confirmed in an article that the show was canceled.

1629
01:14:11,279 --> 01:14:13,399
They never had to do that. They could have just

1630
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,960
like been quiet, but that they knew how bad it was.

1631
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:17,800
They had to say something that's how bad it was.

1632
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 2: They knew bastards, plaguas and higher public. God damn, it

1633
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,319
was probably at the forefront of that like, oh, let's

1634
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:26,119
just cancel.

1635
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: The show where we're ahead, Well, who knows. Rumor was

1636
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,319
they wrote one show and then Filony came in and

1637
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:32,680
changed a bunch of stuff and then they canceled.

1638
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,520
Speaker 2: Because he wanted the show to fail. He probably had.

1639
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,079
Speaker 1: Maybe he did, maybe he did. Uh, So now we're

1640
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:42,239
down to three, and I think these are the hardest ones.

1641
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,800
I talked pouts and I love this so much. Where

1642
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,399
do you feel we're Skeleton Crew?

1643
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 2: I think that's a win. I think I'm too super

1644
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,039
super hot on that show, but I think it's definitely

1645
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:55,359
a win. I think more people need to give it

1646
01:14:55,359 --> 01:14:55,760
a chance.

1647
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,119
Speaker 1: To be honest, that's a tough thing. I think this

1648
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:01,079
is one where because it goes against mine, we don't

1649
01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:03,119
have a data point. Not too many people are talking about.

1650
01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:05,159
But most people that I've seen it that I talked

1651
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:06,960
to do really enjoy it. I don't think it was

1652
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,520
a Shawn the Arm like Clone Wars was, So I

1653
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,880
think on this one we just have quality to go on.

1654
01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:15,880
And I I just think why I am praising this one.

1655
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,560
I'm putting in the w because it was the first

1656
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,960
thing in life like look at this. So Mandalorian eventually

1657
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,439
became very Star Wars, Skywalker, Saga heavy right, Boa Fet

1658
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,680
There's there, Obi Wan, There's there, and or connected to

1659
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,720
the Dark Times Ahsoka Acolyte again is not. But we

1660
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,359
talked about all the other problems and just the way

1661
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,960
Disney they look at us a lost Skeleton Crew did

1662
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,199
was the first thing really after actl like to do

1663
01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:41,199
something else on its own and not be connected to

1664
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:43,720
anything again. Not sure the numbers was so this might

1665
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,199
this might be a biased one. But you know what,

1666
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,520
sometimes these lists are bias. And that's why I'm gonna

1667
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,239
give Taylor a bias one because I'm saying, Ahsoka, where

1668
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:51,159
would you put that?

1669
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:54,039
Speaker 2: That's a win? That is an absolute win. Oh my god.

1670
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:58,039
It just sets up so much. You get you get

1671
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:01,399
Jedi popping off here, and you finally get just more

1672
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:04,960
story in between episodes six and seven. And I think

1673
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,880
that's key because we do you know, it's always like

1674
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,880
you said, dark times and everything like that, but finally

1675
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:14,239
get more content between two eras med Laurie you do too, Yeah,

1676
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:16,439
for sure. It's just nice to see more on like

1677
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,600
a larger scale with the New Republic and just the

1678
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,039
Empire kind of operating secret and then just yeah, finally

1679
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:23,439
throw in coming back and he's gonna just rebuild the

1680
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,039
Empire and just kind of what this war is going

1681
01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:29,000
to mean and everything unfolding. I just and plus you

1682
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:33,600
get finally we get Star Wars zombies in real live action. Fuck.

1683
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,520
I've been waiting for that forever. I never thought we're

1684
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,079
going to get something like that, and that was just

1685
01:16:37,159 --> 01:16:39,399
it was so cool, so cool.

1686
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: That's true. And then the stuff that the Balance School's going after.

1687
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:43,520
We'll see what happens there, but there could be some

1688
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,600
big risks there. I think, ah Soska, it's a tough

1689
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,640
thing for me. I'm gonna you know, you gave me

1690
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,159
Skeleton Crew. This is our personal list, so that's where

1691
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:55,920
everything has some bias. But I think for me, Ahsoka

1692
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,760
will be similar to like how Mike's as you do

1693
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,720
the Mandaloren seasons separately and said, oh maybe if we

1694
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,479
look back on this after the movies there, what will

1695
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,479
we do? I think Skeleton or Sorry Ahsoka is the

1696
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,560
same for me that I need to see season two,

1697
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,479
and I need to see if they do that Filony

1698
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,680
movie because obviously that could be a good setup and

1699
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,600
a good pay right, because if we get in a

1700
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,520
situation where the man Lure and Grogo movie hits and

1701
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,600
then they do Ahsoka Soca season two and then like

1702
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,079
the Thraw movie or whatever that hits, then you can say, Okay,

1703
01:17:23,279 --> 01:17:26,439
those were wins because those like bona fide wins because

1704
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,640
they set up what was gonna happen, right I think

1705
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,640
right now, we're in this era and I think some

1706
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,920
people had issues with it, and Mike's right. I thought

1707
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,920
it was win for hardcore fans but lost for general audience,

1708
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,640
and that's where it's tough. And that's where I get

1709
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,399
congree with you that that's where you can almost put

1710
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,560
in that draw category. But I'll lean a bit more

1711
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,279
to the win because you had stuff like you brought

1712
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:47,399
back and again Skywalker, which you know, for me, you know,

1713
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,399
I think the episode had some flaws, but for a

1714
01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:51,680
lot of people that was very special, right, And that

1715
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,880
was a needle mover. That was the moment where even

1716
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,199
people that debated if they liked it or didn't like it,

1717
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,960
the idea of just bringing Hayden back to actually act

1718
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,680
was a big thing after so many years of memes

1719
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,680
and getting made fun of. Right. So that's where I like,

1720
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,199
I lean a little more towards you know, the w

1721
01:18:07,279 --> 01:18:10,000
people say all the clone wars seeing that live action, right,

1722
01:18:10,079 --> 01:18:13,640
So I'm gonna lean it there for now, maybe when

1723
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,399
we do this list and two that that's when, folks,

1724
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:17,920
I'll let you know when we do the list again.

1725
01:18:18,199 --> 01:18:20,079
It'll be on GV twenty when we do the wins

1726
01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:22,720
and losses. We'll see from there, so maybe we could

1727
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,760
have this list and then so, yeah, are you doing

1728
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,079
the drive? Is it in the drive? It's yeah, yeah,

1729
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:29,600
just keep it there, Just keep it there so in

1730
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,560
ten years we'll check on it. So so okay, Ahsoka

1731
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,760
is a win there, Okay, we're on our last one

1732
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,239
and we'll see over the overall Taley because I've kind

1733
01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:40,079
of forgotten, but hey, I feel like this is a

1734
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:41,920
tough one. Obi One can.

1735
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 2: Obi Oh it's a win, right, I think it's a loss.

1736
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: Why I think it's tough because to me, this is

1737
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,279
similar to the last Jedi thing where massive successful, right,

1738
01:18:56,319 --> 01:19:00,159
I think critically successful, their most watched show successful. But

1739
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:02,600
I think the heights of what we thought obi Wan

1740
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,000
was gonna be he did not get there. I think

1741
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:08,760
the what's the storyline? Who's the female sit that was

1742
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:13,520
after Babe? That was a big miss. And I'm not

1743
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,439
talking about the fucking red ip all. I'm saying that

1744
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,560
whole like we finally get em back in obi Wan,

1745
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,279
and like half the show is about Reva and this

1746
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,399
fucking storyline and then like remember remember when she's on

1747
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,359
Tataween chasing fucking uncle Ben and Amper and Luke Skywalker

1748
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:33,199
around like I think, like, like this is what I

1749
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:37,119
mean too, Like I I think it's a it's a

1750
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:39,680
close one because success wise it's a win. But I

1751
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,000
think obi Wan coming back that should had a much

1752
01:19:43,079 --> 01:19:45,039
bigger impact and it just feels like it kind of

1753
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:47,399
came and went. And I think the other lost thing

1754
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,439
to it worked for Disney plus. But I will always

1755
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,760
say and I think the show confirms to me that

1756
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,600
this should have been a movie. This should have been

1757
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,680
and this should have been the first movie, not even Solo,

1758
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,199
because I bet you obi Wan, do you agree with this?

1759
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:00,680
At obi Wan, no matter what, would on better money

1760
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,840
wise than Solo as a movie, Yes, because Ewen was

1761
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,720
coming back right and that could at least still even

1762
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,680
go out us to Solo again. And then imagine that

1763
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,479
where if they had obi Wan that did Gangbusters and

1764
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,720
Soul that did all right, they go okay, well, Solo

1765
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,279
just didn't work, but obi Wan did, so let's do

1766
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:17,680
another spin off movie. That's where for me that I

1767
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:22,199
think the conception was wrong, the execution was wrong. Not

1768
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:24,000
in a fail way, because I still enjoy enough, but

1769
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:26,800
I just feel like for something we waited for for

1770
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,039
so long. It under delivered, not that it was awful,

1771
01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:32,319
but under delivered, and it didn't hit the heights that

1772
01:20:33,239 --> 01:20:36,239
Ewen coming back should have it. Definitely. We saw the

1773
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:38,640
biggest Star Wars Disney plus thing. The audience was there,

1774
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,479
so they I think people would have paid to go

1775
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,720
see Ewan and you know it didn't happen, So I

1776
01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:47,359
think it. I think it goes in the loss for

1777
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,479
the potential there. But Taylor, are you on win? Are

1778
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:51,680
you playing devil with Field?

1779
01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: I'm in the wind category because I feel like you have.

1780
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,199
Speaker 1: Bumbling guards chasing Lea.

1781
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the win because I think you get

1782
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:03,279
you get Hayden coming back full time here is as

1783
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,079
Darth in the suit, opposite of.

1784
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: But again we get in Soca though, so you you can.

1785
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,800
You don't get to work, but he's gonna.

1786
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: Get that in like flashback sequences and all that, Like

1787
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,680
you get them more present here, and it's just the

1788
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:19,239
dynamic of having them both back together, Ewan McGregor and

1789
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:21,720
Hayden Christian since Revenge of the Sith. I think that's

1790
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,760
just got some weight to it. That's got a lot

1791
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,159
of happens, a lot of us. It's got a lot

1792
01:21:28,199 --> 01:21:30,840
more anticipation and excitement and surrounding him.

1793
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm but the thing is, everything you're saying is my problem.

1794
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,680
Everything that they did there they could or could still

1795
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,840
do in Ahsoka.

1796
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 2: They could absolutely, but it's been done here right now,

1797
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,119
and I think that that holds weight behind it. You

1798
01:21:45,159 --> 01:21:47,720
also get a Vader that I feel like we haven't

1799
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,039
really been able to see in other versions. I mean,

1800
01:21:51,319 --> 01:21:53,800
I mean, he's dark and real, one and one always seen,

1801
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,199
and he's you know, he's scary, but like here, like

1802
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,239
he's not scary. And since where he's dragging a woman

1803
01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:02,239
down faced in the mud, fusing the force and snapping

1804
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,720
a kid's neck, I've never seen anyone do that in

1805
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,439
Star Wars before. That's next level. So I do think

1806
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:09,199
that carries weight.

1807
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: And you know what also carries weight. Remember in Return

1808
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,520
of the Jedi, when Obi Wan's like, hey, Luke, you

1809
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,399
have to kill Darth Vader. And now the last time

1810
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,760
Darth Vader was seeing or obi Wan saw Darth Vader

1811
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,119
as when he had him dead to right, remember you

1812
01:22:21,159 --> 01:22:23,840
talk about what they do for Dave dar Vader, obi

1813
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:28,319
Wan kicks his ass like cleanly, like destroys Darth Vader

1814
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,960
he could execute Darfait. And even at this point he

1815
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,560
has said, you know, you know, goodbye Darth. He's fully

1816
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,640
said Anakin's dead. This Darth Vader, bad guy, guy who's

1817
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,760
a terrorist, kills children, men, women, does a bunch of stuff,

1818
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,119
you know, probably allows assault in the Empire. And like

1819
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:50,319
some people might think now watching Return of the Jedi, knowing,

1820
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:52,560
oh we want all this, oh, one could have stopped

1821
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,560
it with one clean. Obi Wan fucking kills just a

1822
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,560
random guy. And he not kills he cuts a guy's

1823
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,920
arm off in a bar randomly, just because they like

1824
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:06,000
he's a little rude to him, where he couldn't even.

1825
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,399
Speaker 2: Just self defense. That was self defense. The guy pulled

1826
01:23:08,399 --> 01:23:09,399
a gun on Luke, that.

1827
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,359
Speaker 1: Was you know what could be doing self defending the

1828
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:14,439
whole galaxy against our fate.

1829
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,199
Speaker 2: Because he's not.

1830
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: It's no, no, no, it's not that.

1831
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:23,279
Speaker 2: It's not that. It's different because if let's say he

1832
01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:25,720
he disarmed him and took him down. Now, if Vader

1833
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,199
got back up, pulled his lightsaber out and went to

1834
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,640
swing at obi Wan, obi Wan just turned around like

1835
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,800
cut him in half or sliced them or something like that, that

1836
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:33,640
would have been different story.

1837
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: So it was a whole fight. He was not self defense.

1838
01:23:37,079 --> 01:23:39,640
Was he won the fight? You execute after the fight.

1839
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 2: He went there as a distraction though there is a distraction.

1840
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,600
Everything he was doing was just like Luke Skywalker in

1841
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,000
Last Jedi all a distraction, right.

1842
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: Luke was successful because he got them another day obi.

1843
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,159
Speaker 2: Wan, the difference is almost successful too. He got he

1844
01:23:54,199 --> 01:23:54,840
got the people.

1845
01:23:55,079 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: Couldn't have ended the war at Last Jedi. Obi Wan

1846
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,279
could have or at least really.

1847
01:23:59,079 --> 01:24:03,199
Speaker 2: Highly Palpatine's tried to kill Vader so many times. Would

1848
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:06,199
have just had something. The High Inquiser would have taken

1849
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:07,560
over as the new Stith Lord.

1850
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would have sucked. Luke would have kicked his ass.

1851
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 2: On the death Starn the episode.

1852
01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: Four, Episode four, the Inquiser dies the old obi Wan.

1853
01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:19,439
I'm telling you, he takes them, you know, like they

1854
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,119
have no problem. Like that can't be Taylor. That is

1855
01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:26,079
a sacrilege. Bad thing they did the whole that fight.

1856
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,199
They could have done anything. Why did they not make

1857
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,560
anybody just stop? We want They grabbed Vader. They literally

1858
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,479
had a Vader and be like, yeah, beat you and

1859
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,880
I'm gonna walk away, and then again for him return Jed.

1860
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,079
I said no Luke, you have to kill your you

1861
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:39,560
have to be the one that kills your dead. He

1862
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,039
could have done it, so they broke. That's why.

1863
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: That's why, Well the Obi Wan knew. He's like, you

1864
01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:47,560
have to be the one to defeat d happened.

1865
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: He was gonna kick Anakin's ass and he'd see the

1866
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:54,720
errors of his ways, something like that. It's gotta be

1867
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,640
a loss.

1868
01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,399
Speaker 2: I feel like I've just heard people just rave about

1869
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:02,000
this show. I can't know if I can see it

1870
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:02,600
as a loss.

1871
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you in the mirror, like Green Golflin, we liked

1872
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:14,399
the show. You remember that accident that Darth Vader had.

1873
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,800
I can't. Yeah, I gave you a Soka and issues

1874
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,399
I can't give you we want after our conversation.

1875
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 2: It's a bad batch for me. Give me, give me

1876
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:24,560
this one, Give me this one.

1877
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: No, if flash Jedi and rides the Skywalker and the loss,

1878
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:30,199
this isn't the loss. There's no way this is a win.

1879
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,479
And you know what, you know what your soul's not.

1880
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,319
This could have been much bigger. Reva all this stuff again,

1881
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,960
I chased after a Sith in the Tadoeing deserts.

1882
01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't a sith she was. She got absolutely

1883
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,119
schooled when she faced Vader. She got absolutely fucking schooled.

1884
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:50,840
And she was injured too, so no wonder she was

1885
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,720
not going to be doing well going after these guys.

1886
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,800
And Peru is a beast, absolutely just going to town.

1887
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 1: I can't, you can't, you can't tell me you want

1888
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,760
to see. I think running away from a city.

1889
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: On a public general kind of audience scale here at

1890
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,399
GA scale. I think that when that trailer came out

1891
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,640
and that investors meeting and it was like, oh my god,

1892
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,000
it's O we want and you get that original John

1893
01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:15,760
Williams theme kicking in here duel a fades, everyone was

1894
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,039
just on cloud nine and I think everyone tuned in

1895
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:21,119
because what did you say? This is aside from this

1896
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:24,760
is the number one uh Star Wars live action show

1897
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,800
with Disney Plus that's a win.

1898
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:29,399
Speaker 1: When business wise, but did it?

1899
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: That's that's a win.

1900
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: But we we said that last Jedi Rids Skywalker, you

1901
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,239
could say the same thing Rice Rice Skywalker when they

1902
01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:39,279
had that first Teazer and at the end when he

1903
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:42,279
had Palpatine, like when Luke's like no one's ever really

1904
01:26:42,279 --> 01:26:44,560
gone and the laugh happened, we thought, oh, this is

1905
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,960
gonna be great, the laughs happening, JJ's back.

1906
01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:51,319
Speaker 2: But then this is a Force Awakens win Befoce Wakens.

1907
01:26:51,359 --> 01:26:53,479
It was like, well over a billion, well over what

1908
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,479
rid Skywalker?

1909
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: Mandalorian is the Force Awakens when Mandalorian is the first

1910
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,199
live action show that gets people very exciting.

1911
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'll agree with that.

1912
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: If they do more, they'll be one. We hear rumors

1913
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,800
of season two maybe they can save it, but like

1914
01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:12,000
they it, it's I think more equivalent to Last Jedi

1915
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:15,039
and Rise of Skywalker as far as had big hype,

1916
01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:19,960
big success, but what happened after the fact was not

1917
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,279
not ideal. You know, you know Ian's grating it. Mm

1918
01:27:23,319 --> 01:27:26,880
hmmm hm putting that l category you know it's true.

1919
01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:30,760
Search your feelings, you know it's there one.

1920
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 3: All right, Taylor, So read off the losses that a

1921
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:42,159
fucking brutalist here, Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker, Solo, Star Wars, Story, Resistance,

1922
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,000
The Bad Batch, Tales of the Above, Bot Acolyte, and

1923
01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:48,560
Obi Wan.

1924
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: So that's nine. How many wins do we got? Got?

1925
01:27:52,039 --> 01:27:58,199
Speaker 2: Force Awakens, Rogue One, Rebels, Clone Wars, Visions, Mandalorian, and

1926
01:27:58,399 --> 01:28:04,880
or Skeleton Crew to Soka Oh my god, it's it's

1927
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:05,960
nine nine.

1928
01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: That is so crazy.

1929
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: They got a perfect fifty to fifty ratio.

1930
01:28:10,399 --> 01:28:12,520
Speaker 1: And like me and people because I'll say, Taylor can

1931
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,439
see the list, but I not brought the list at all,

1932
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,600
bring up to a share screen. I hate, not brought

1933
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,279
the list at all during this whole podcast. So I

1934
01:28:20,319 --> 01:28:22,199
was like trying to angle, like, oh, let's get the numbers.

1935
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:26,399
So it's like, and you know what, I wow, that's crazy.

1936
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:31,119
But you know what, in all honesty, like to describe

1937
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,239
the last ten years of lucasfilm, I feel like fifty

1938
01:28:35,239 --> 01:28:38,199
to fifty is not like a bad like for some people.

1939
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,720
They they would think that's like we're giving them too

1940
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,039
much credit, right, But I feel like from maybe our standpoint,

1941
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:46,479
because I think you MEI would definitely switch where there's

1942
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,760
some stuff you'd have win, I'd have lost. But I

1943
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,199
feel like we'd both easily say that, like fifty to

1944
01:28:51,239 --> 01:28:54,159
fifty is pretty accurate for the past ten years what

1945
01:28:54,199 --> 01:28:54,720
they've been doing.

1946
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: When you agree, I'd say, so yeah, i'd agree. So yeah,

1947
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:04,279
if we if we include that cartoon adventure, that's a win.

1948
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,960
So it makes the wins. You got sixty.

1949
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: Forty technically, but Kathleen. If you were say, hey, Kathleen,

1950
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,239
what do you think? What do you think the young

1951
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:17,319
Jedi interested for the branch? You go, what's the young adventure?

1952
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:24,760
I challenge somebody please when they're interviewing Kathleen Kennedy, ask

1953
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,199
her what she thinks about that and see if she

1954
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,159
has any idea with the Young Jedi venturess. There's no

1955
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:33,760
idea that she doesn't have a hand in that at all.

1956
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,600
But uh, well, there you goal is show and we

1957
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,039
have did so. I guess really, you know, we said

1958
01:29:39,039 --> 01:29:41,319
in ten years, but maybe we'll revisit. Maybe we'll have

1959
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:44,920
to revisit af malin Grogu sooner because that'll be a tiebreaker.

1960
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,479
So maybe we will because we need a tiebreaker. See

1961
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,000
if that's a win or a loss. I think if

1962
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,720
it's a big success and it shows that, hey people

1963
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,920
watch TV shows and pay for the movies, great. If

1964
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:58,479
it just falters for a number of reasons, then obviously

1965
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,079
it's a loss. So there you go. Oh as we

1966
01:30:01,119 --> 01:30:04,760
deem it right now, Kathy and crew, Dave John, everybody

1967
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,560
else have done a fifty fifty percent job. Is that good?

1968
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,079
Is that bad? I don't know. I guess that's in

1969
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:12,880
the eyes of the beholder. We'd have to see what

1970
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,359
happens the next ten years of what I just a

1971
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,199
filony led one would do. It's fifty to fifty. I

1972
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:19,760
don't know, but yeah, I'm glad we broke that broke

1973
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,439
this down and hopefully, you know, let us know if

1974
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,479
you like this. Hopefully we'll try not to make it

1975
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,880
to another six years before we do this again. Not

1976
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,720
saying it's going to become a regular spinoff show again,

1977
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,479
don't get me wrong, But had a good time busting

1978
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:32,560
us down, Taylor, you.

1979
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,199
Speaker 2: Know it was good. Always enjoy some heated debates when

1980
01:30:36,199 --> 01:30:38,079
it comes to Star Wars.

1981
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Well, ladies and gentlemen, Happy GV

1982
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,560
ten year, Happy bring this back, and until you're here

1983
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,720
from us next time, May the forest be with you

1984
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:49,640
always