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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy, Hervella me,

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when push comes to shovel, the guidance provided by soil

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<v Speaker 1>tests to horticultural professionals and gardening enthusiasts is sometimes compared

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<v Speaker 1>to well blood tests that physicians give us. And in

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<v Speaker 1>this vein see what I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely did, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>A soil test is like a blood test for the soil,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's primary purposes for doing a soil test, maintaining

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<v Speaker 1>proper soil fertility, guiding your plant selections, performing plant problem diagnostics,

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<v Speaker 1>and for conforming to industry approved standard practices. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>can get your yourself a soil test, and I recommend

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<v Speaker 1>personally getting a soil test from a university because they're

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<v Speaker 1>affordable and they're going to give you more information than

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<v Speaker 1>you ever imagined possible about your soil. It's fascinating to

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<v Speaker 1>get a soil test and they're affordable. Stacy, my preference

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<v Speaker 1>is to do that and to use your method that

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<v Speaker 1>you've taught. All of our listeners and viewers, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is to type in soil test semi colon, then cite

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<v Speaker 1>dot edu. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so you do soil tests and then cite site

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<v Speaker 2>and then semi colon dot edu.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's perfect. I did that and Penn State University,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State University, North Carolina State University. My go to

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<v Speaker 1>has always been Michigan State University because of where I live.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a quick check and a soil test to

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<v Speaker 1>get a little cardboard box instructions. Twenty six bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Get affordable, not bad, you know. I think people do

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<v Speaker 2>think of soil tests as like, oh, that's something that

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<v Speaker 2>very serious gardeners do, and it's just good to have

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<v Speaker 2>a soil test. And honestly, if you test your soil,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably good for the lifetime of your garden in

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<v Speaker 2>that place. It's not like your soil, you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to change so much that you're going to need

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<v Speaker 2>subsequent soil tests. So it's something that you invest in

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<v Speaker 2>once you get the results and you can rely on

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<v Speaker 2>them for years to come. And I think another really

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<v Speaker 2>important part of the soil test that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people don't realize if they haven't gotten one, is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just telling you what you have. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>giving you specific results, specific advice on what to fix

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<v Speaker 2>if something is wrong or you want to change things.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like, Okay, now I have these results,

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<v Speaker 2>what do I do and you're just you know, left

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<v Speaker 2>out in the dark, not knowing what to do with

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<v Speaker 2>that information. It will you know if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>change your pH it will tell you how much you

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<v Speaker 2>know line to apply, it will tell you how much

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<v Speaker 2>nitrogen to apply, and so it will give you actionable results,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're not just like, Okay, what do I do.

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<v Speaker 1>With this exactly? So sending in your soil is probably

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea. By the way, it was interesting I

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<v Speaker 1>went to Cornell University site and they were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>prohibited areas for transport of soil in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're in one of those prohibited areas, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably would not be able to do this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina State University does a great job explaining soil

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<v Speaker 1>tests for the general gardener, and we'll put the link

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<v Speaker 1>there at our website Gardening Simplified on air dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>So soil testing, I think right off the bat, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to make sure to say that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>right way and a wrong way to take soil tests.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be using clean tools. And in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to that, you don't want to just take a small

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<v Speaker 1>sample from one spot. You're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>good soil test that way. We're going to take multiple

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<v Speaker 1>samples and we're going to put them together. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to put them in a plastic bag because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want the soil to be wet. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, they're going to dry the soil when they

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<v Speaker 1>test it. That's why generally you're going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>folded cardboard box when you order one of these. Then

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<v Speaker 1>when you get your soil test back, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what soil class you're in. Can you dig it? Huh,

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<v Speaker 1>Mineral soil low percentage of human matter, mineral, organic soil

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<v Speaker 1>medium percentage, and then organic soil high humic matter content

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<v Speaker 1>and stacey. There are many reasons to get a soil test,

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<v Speaker 1>but I find, by and large, most people get the

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<v Speaker 1>soil test to test pH.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because that is really important information to know. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think all of the rest of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of just interesting to know. You know, here

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<v Speaker 2>in Michigan and in most of the Midwest, in the

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<v Speaker 2>East coast, we are unlikely to develop any kind of

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<v Speaker 2>weird nutrient deficiencies in our soil. But if you live

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<v Speaker 2>out west, or in Texas or in a more arid climate,

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of crazy things can happen. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're finding your plants aren't healthy across the board,

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<v Speaker 2>you may get a soil test and find out that you're,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lacking your soils, lacking in a very essential nutrient. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>not likely in our in our climate, but it does happen,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe too high and a lot of times people

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize that having a lot of one nutrient in

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<v Speaker 2>the soil is not a good thing because it will

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<v Speaker 2>actually impact the plant's ability to uptake other essential nutrients.

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<v Speaker 2>High phosphorus, for example, can make it very difficult for

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<v Speaker 2>a plant to uptake aluminium or iron. So it's good

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<v Speaker 2>to know how all of these things interact. And but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the pH that's kind of what what you're really hoping

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<v Speaker 2>to find, because that will let you know what you

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<v Speaker 2>can grow and if you need to fertilize, what type

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<v Speaker 2>of fertilizer you're going to use. You know, people tell

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<v Speaker 2>me all the time, I'm using Aspoma holly tone on

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<v Speaker 2>my hydranges, and we've talked about it on the show before.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I both like Ispoma products an awful lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Just that's what we use in our own gardens. But

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<v Speaker 2>hollytone is an acidifying fertilizer, and I'm always telling people

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<v Speaker 2>please don't use holly tone unless you know you need

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<v Speaker 2>to acidify your soil, because otherwise you're just needlessly acidifying

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<v Speaker 2>it and it can push it to a point where

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes unhealthy, you know, through repeated use of other plants.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's important to know what fertilizer you should use

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<v Speaker 2>on your garden as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So Stacy, when you get the soil test back, make

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<v Speaker 1>sure to do some analysis but also some research because

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be stuff on there that you have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what it is. I got my test back there

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<v Speaker 1>was something in there called BS percentage. That's the base

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<v Speaker 1>saturation percentage of the CC, the cat ition exchange capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>These are all things that you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>research to learn. And by the way, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>CEC is concerned, we could get real technical on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but the bottom line is I have found that generally

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<v Speaker 1>the rates of the CEC are far higher in soils

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<v Speaker 1>that have good humid humous content, clay soils, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, and so these are all things you want

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<v Speaker 1>to look at. It will give you a reading on sodium,

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<v Speaker 1>which may be something of interest for people who live

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<v Speaker 1>here in the north, and of course we have the

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<v Speaker 1>salt trucks coming by in the winter, all of those

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<v Speaker 1>types of things. Nitrogen generally, you're not going to find

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<v Speaker 1>much as far as nitrogen is concerned, because it's here today,

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<v Speaker 1>gone tomorrow, something we readily apply. Whereas as you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying stacee naturally within our soils. The pH is important

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<v Speaker 1>because these natural elements are in the soil, like magnesium

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<v Speaker 1>or potassium or potash many times naturally in our soils

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<v Speaker 1>without having to amend the soils. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>a perk test. Now people will do a perk test

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<v Speaker 1>if they're, for example, installing a septic tank or a

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<v Speaker 1>drain field, or putting in founds for a large project.

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<v Speaker 1>It's overkill for the general homeowner. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do a simple perk test, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>to dig a hole twelve inches deep, fill it with water,

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<v Speaker 1>let it drain away. Once you've done that once, then

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<v Speaker 1>go back fill it again. Watch the rate of the drainage,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going to because again, Stacy, we've said this

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<v Speaker 1>often on the program. Sure, moisture and nutrients are very

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<v Speaker 1>important to soils, but so is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oxygen absolutely just as essential as water and nutrients.

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<v Speaker 1>Really exactly so all of those things. Would I encourage

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<v Speaker 1>you to get one of these soil tests. Absolutely, I

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<v Speaker 1>would get one of these soil tests. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be well grounded if you do it. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>learn a lot as far as your plants are concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if we're going to enjoy plants, Stacy,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always said, you have to have a sense of humans.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you definitely definitely do. And you know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>do your soil test and you have that information, you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to make a database decision on how you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to care for your landscape. And that is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise you're just guessing, and you could be adding chemicals

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<v Speaker 2>to the soil that that just don't need to be there,

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't beneficial, wasting your time, wasting your money. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's good to make a database decision and the only

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<v Speaker 2>way you can do that is a soil test.

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<v Speaker 1>And coming up on today's fourth segment, we'll be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Deborah Kannapki. She's a soil expert. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about restoring soils. That's coming up in our

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<v Speaker 1>Branching News segment. But next Stacey's going to give us

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<v Speaker 1>plants on trial and we'll see how she ties in

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<v Speaker 1>soil tests with plants. That's next here on the Gardening

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<v Speaker 2>the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greetings,

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<v Speaker 2>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,

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<v Speaker 2>where the topic of the day is soil and don't

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<v Speaker 2>touch that dial. I know you're like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>soil is so boring. Why in the world would I

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<v Speaker 2>listen to a show about soil? Because I felt that

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<v Speaker 2>way when I was in horticulture school and it was

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<v Speaker 2>time for my soil science class. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, great, soil. Is this going to be fantastic?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? And I loved every minute of my soil

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<v Speaker 2>science class. It was honestly for me, the moment where

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<v Speaker 2>everything just made sense, and I said, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is why I want to go into horticulture, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to write and I want to help people understand

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<v Speaker 2>because it is so crucial and it just it makes

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<v Speaker 2>so much more sense when you spend a little time

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<v Speaker 2>trying to understand it instead of thinking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>soil is dirt or just that stuff that's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, soil. It is so fascinating. I could go

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<v Speaker 2>on no, but I don't have time to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to be well grounded. And today we are

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<v Speaker 1>partners in grime, so to speak. I like it soiling

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<v Speaker 1>the airwaves, so let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So soil in your garden. The reason that the soil

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<v Speaker 2>will differ from one place to another is it's all

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<v Speaker 2>based on the parent material. So that is the rock

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<v Speaker 2>that the soil originally was eroded from. Because all soil,

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<v Speaker 2>actual soil in your ground is mineral based. It is

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<v Speaker 2>from e roded rock that water and lichens and all

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<v Speaker 2>of these different factors have over time built and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it's so precious and why we have to treat

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<v Speaker 2>it like it's an asset in our garden and not

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<v Speaker 2>also why if you do a soil test, only do

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<v Speaker 2>your actual soil in the ground. Do not include any

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<v Speaker 2>potting soil or any potting mix or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>because the regular standard soil tests that a laboratory will

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<v Speaker 2>do will not measure what you need to know in

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<v Speaker 2>potting mix whatsoever. There are separate laboratories that will measure

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<v Speaker 2>and interpret your your potting mix chemistry. But a soil test,

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<v Speaker 2>as we have described it so far is strictly for

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<v Speaker 2>actual native soil in the ground that was weathered from rock.

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<v Speaker 1>I always tell people root for the loan team.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I like that, Yeah, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Helps you remember to do just that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so loam like, that's a whole other thing. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>a loam is a soil that has roughly equal parts

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<v Speaker 2>of sand, silt, and clay. I do not have a loam.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a loan?

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<v Speaker 1>I do not have a loan. I have beach sand.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a loam.

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<v Speaker 2>I also had a buffalo roam. Almost all beach sand.

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<v Speaker 2>soils tend to just be sandy, and so a loam

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<v Speaker 2>it's a an ideal, an ideal that exists in very

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<v Speaker 2>few places. So you know, don't feel bad if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a loam. I don't have a loam, and

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<v Speaker 2>easy to weed, so easy to work, and you never

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever do the ball jar test where you

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<v Speaker 1>measure the sand silk clay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you can just take some soil, put it

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<v Speaker 2>in a ball jar with water, put a drop of

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<v Speaker 2>soap in it. That will destroy the soil bonds, and

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<v Speaker 2>you shake it all up and then all of the

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<v Speaker 2>different elements of your soil will segment out and you

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<v Speaker 2>can actually calculate. Yeah, it's very cool. It's a very

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<v Speaker 2>look it up. Get the full instructions. But Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ideals that we put out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of those is well drained soil.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, yes, yes, moist, well drained.

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<v Speaker 2>Soil, moist, well drain so well. And you know then

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<v Speaker 2>people are like, well, is it moist or is it

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<v Speaker 2>well drained? Well soil can be moist and well drained

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<v Speaker 2>because the moist part actually applies to the soil particles

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<v Speaker 2>themselves that they are capable of holding onto water. So

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<v Speaker 2>usually what that means is Azrik was saying, good humic acid,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of organic matter in there, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>well drained part actually applies to the holes or to

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<v Speaker 2>the spaces in between those soil particles, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>you can have a moist but well drained soil. The

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<v Speaker 2>particles stay moist, but there's plenty of air spaces in

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<v Speaker 2>there for the plant to be able to get that

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<v Speaker 2>crucial crucial oxygen for the roots. And you know this

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<v Speaker 2>is I mean, I write our plant tags, so I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even begin to tell you, through the course of

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<v Speaker 2>my career how many times I have written well drained

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<v Speaker 2>soil or said well drained soil. It is a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is so crucial because, like we said, oxygen

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<v Speaker 2>is imperative for plants, and some plants are better able

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with poor drainage than others. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>one of those directives on the plant tag that you

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<v Speaker 2>really want to look at because if it says it

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<v Speaker 2>needs well drained soil and you don't have well drained soil,

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<v Speaker 2>that plant is not going to thrive. So today's plan

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<v Speaker 2>on trial is one that well drained soil is absolutely imperative.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't even think about growing this plant if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have well drained soil and it is Lo and Behold

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<v Speaker 2>pink microchip butterfly bush.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that plant, especially along borders. It's a great plant.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a great plant. It is also one of

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<v Speaker 2>the smallest, if not the smallest butterfly bush on the market,

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<v Speaker 2>reaching just eighteen to twenty four inches tall, so a

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<v Speaker 2>foot and a half to two feet tall and wide,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like a little pincushion of a plant practically,

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<v Speaker 2>and it also fun fact for being such a small

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<v Speaker 2>plant is one of our longest plant names. Low and

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<v Speaker 2>Behold Pink microchip butterflies, so you can ask our designer

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<v Speaker 2>about that. How she tries to fit that out tags.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I wanted to pick this plant in specific

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<v Speaker 2>when we're talking about soil and well drained soil, because

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<v Speaker 2>well drained soil is important to all butterfly bush. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you have a very small butterfly bush like lo

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<v Speaker 2>and Behold pink microchip, having that well drained soil is

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<v Speaker 2>even more crucial because since it is so small, any

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<v Speaker 2>damage that occurs from a less than ideal site is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be much more concentrated on that little, tiny

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<v Speaker 2>plant than if you get you know, a big you know,

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<v Speaker 2>say miss Molly four to five foot tall butterfly bush.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really really important if you want to grow

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<v Speaker 2>this that your soil is well drained, that you do

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<v Speaker 2>that test that Rick was just talking about, the home

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<v Speaker 2>perk test, yep. And so the great thing about the

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<v Speaker 2>perk test is you can you might want to do

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<v Speaker 2>this before you head to the garden center. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you happen to just get too caught up in the

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<v Speaker 2>moment and you bring home a plant that says well

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<v Speaker 2>drained soil and you need to check, and usually you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, I think most people know if they

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<v Speaker 2>have well drained soil or not, because like, if you

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<v Speaker 2>go out after a rain, are you squishing and slashing

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<v Speaker 2>around or is it just kind of wet in my garden?

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<v Speaker 2>It is you can barely even tell it rained except

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<v Speaker 2>that the rain is still clinging to the foliage. So

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<v Speaker 2>most of us do have some idea, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it does get confusing for people with clay soil, because

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<v Speaker 2>not all clay soils are going to be poorly drained.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have a soil that is fairly well drained

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<v Speaker 2>even if you have clay. So those are the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are really going to want to pay attention to

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<v Speaker 2>this perk test and do it before you go out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the cool thing is if you do this perk test,

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually use that hold to plant in. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like pre doing the work for yourself, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not a waste. And it's also very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to just watch in general, and you know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>I think your point is well taken, Stacy, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the perk test and drainage is concerned. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a miss molly in a low area and a mishot

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<v Speaker 1>violence in a high area, and the miss violet is

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<v Speaker 1>doing better than Miss one one. Interesting, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important.

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<v Speaker 2>It is important, and I do want to say to

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<v Speaker 2>those who find out that they do not have good drainage,

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<v Speaker 2>that you are not without options to grow a butterfly bush.

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<v Speaker 2>You can actually grow this butterfly bush in a container.

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<v Speaker 2>And we do hear from a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>want to grow butterfly bush, whether it's low and behold

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<v Speaker 2>pink microchip, today's plant on trial, or a different one

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, they want to grow them, so they

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<v Speaker 2>grow in containers and it is absolutely possible. Now if

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<v Speaker 2>you lone beehold pink microchip is about hardy to USDA

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<v Speaker 2>Zone five heat tllerant through USDA Zone nine, So if

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<v Speaker 2>you are colder than zone five, you can grow it

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<v Speaker 2>as an annual. Just enjoy it for the season, let

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<v Speaker 2>it go at the end. And the cool thing about

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<v Speaker 2>butterfly bush is that they flower so much that it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like, you know, as if you were growing like

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<v Speaker 2>a mandavilla or a hibiscus or something a tropical plant

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<v Speaker 2>that you would normally just let go at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the season because they're just going to flower for

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<v Speaker 2>you all summer long. Now, if you live in zone five.

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<v Speaker 2>You can either transplant it into the ground or you

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<v Speaker 2>can attempt to overwinter it in the container. Now, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are in that camp, you're going to want to

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<v Speaker 2>choose a weather proof container, one that can stay outdoors

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<v Speaker 2>all year round without breaking or cracking or flaking. And

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to this is really crucial, want to choose

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<v Speaker 2>a container that is roughly as deep as it is wide.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't want to choose one of those I

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<v Speaker 2>see these all the time. They seem like they're really

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<v Speaker 2>popular right now, super narrow and tall containers. That would

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<v Speaker 2>be the worst thing because basically what that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to do is create a huge volume of soil. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always wet and the roots never grow into it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is basically creating a poor drainage situation because that

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<v Speaker 2>soil will stay out and you can grow plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>other things in there, but definitely not butterfly bush. So

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<v Speaker 2>choose something that's about proportional, or if you have a low,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of more bowl light container that can work as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Your goal is to minimize just the soil sitting around

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom, so it's it's a simple thing to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a great way to be able to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>low and behold pink microchip if your soil conditions don't

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<v Speaker 2>comply with your dreams. And we've all been there, so

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<v Speaker 2>I feel you. So I didn't talk a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>what lo and behold pink microchip. Butterfly bush looks like

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully it is right there in the name pink flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can find out all that information on our

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<v Speaker 2>also link you to some shrubs and container information there

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<v Speaker 2>so you can take all of this and whether you

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<v Speaker 2>have well drained soil or not, put a butterfly bush

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<v Speaker 2>into your life. We're gonna take a little break when

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<v Speaker 2>we come back, we're opening up the garden mail bag,

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<v Speaker 2>so please stay tuned. At proven Winter's Color Choice, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a shrub for every taste and every space. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for an easycare and unforgettable hydrangea or something

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<v Speaker 2>new and unique, you can be confident that the shrubs

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<v Speaker 2>and the white containers have been trialed and tested for

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<v Speaker 2>your success. Look for them at your local garden center.

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<v Speaker 2>Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's time for us to help you solve your

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<v Speaker 2>garden problems the best that we can long distance, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you send a picture that makes it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot easier. But we really do want to help you,

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<v Speaker 2>especially I know as people come into fall and think

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<v Speaker 2>about do I cut this back? What do I do

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<v Speaker 2>about this? This happened? You know, people end up with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions, and if you are in your

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<v Speaker 2>garden confronted with a question, as always my advice is

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<v Speaker 2>do nothing until you get the right answer. So when

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<v Speaker 2>in doubt, don't do it. Just ask us a question.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also reach us on the Proven Winner's website

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<v Speaker 2>and ask us questions. We will get you an answer,

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<v Speaker 2>but don't do something that you will regret. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>if you happen to see something, you know a little

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<v Speaker 2>whacky going on in your garden, you might want to

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to us and say, hey, Stacey and Rick,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what's going on? We had a listener

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<v Speaker 2>send us a very freaky looking echinaesia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube right now, or you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to our website Gardening Simplified on air

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com. We'll put it in the show notes. Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>just a echinationa with a double flower back to back.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems to me stacy like, I see this

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<v Speaker 1>type of funny stuff go on with echinations or plants

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<v Speaker 1>that are in the astor family, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good example of how a bloom on a plant

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<v Speaker 1>is determinate. In other words, the plant is in essence

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<v Speaker 1>setting a terminal bud and then there's some real freaky,

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<v Speaker 1>funky kind of stuff that can happen there.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything can happen. Yeah, And so what is happening to

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<v Speaker 2>this echinasa is a phenomenon called faciation, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>FA S C I A T I O N. And

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<v Speaker 2>basically the easiest way to think of it is it

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<v Speaker 2>is a condition that makes plants grow flat and contorted,

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<v Speaker 2>and it can look like a lot of different things.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look it up online you will see all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of various permutations of fasciation. Fasciation can be caused

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<v Speaker 2>by hormones, genetics, bacteria, fungus, virus, or environmental issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's why I have a fasciation with this subject.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are so many factors that can contribute to

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<v Speaker 2>this and the asterac you said, A lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>do seem to happen to the daisy family. You see

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<v Speaker 2>it happen a lot with dandelions are particularly susceptible, So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not necessarily a cause for concern. I know people

448
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<v Speaker 2>probably hear bacteria, fungus virus and think, oh, geez, I

449
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<v Speaker 2>got to do something, But it's just something that happens.

450
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<v Speaker 2>It's a random mutation. It's not usually harmful to the plant,

451
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<v Speaker 2>and very often plants can live for decades, even centuries.

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<v Speaker 2>There are soorro cactus down in the Tucson area that

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<v Speaker 2>have developed fasciation. It's the crested kind of growth that

454
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<v Speaker 2>have absolutely been alive for hundreds of years, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily that it's going to cripple the plant. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing I want to say about fasciation before we

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<v Speaker 2>move on, is that it's one of those things that

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the picture of this echinaesia, you

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<v Speaker 2>might say, WHOA, that's so crazy. I've never seen anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But once you know what fasciation is, you

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<v Speaker 2>will actually start to notice it in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different plants. And sometimes it could be, you know, just

463
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<v Speaker 2>a small part of a tree, just like a branch or.

464
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<v Speaker 2>So it can happen to roses, it can happen to

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of weeds, willows. There's just a huge number

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<v Speaker 2>of plants that are susceptible to it. So it's one

467
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<v Speaker 2>of those things that you just have to, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>consider yourself lucky. Maybe go out and buy a lottery

469
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<v Speaker 2>ticket and enjoy the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but particularly with flowering plants or with flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>because we look at the plant and we go, beautiful flower.

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<v Speaker 1>The plant views that determinate end on that stem as

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<v Speaker 1>it's reproduct depart, and that's where, Yes, sometimes these genetics,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be, becomes kind of fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it can be very interesting, and it will take

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<v Speaker 2>many different forms. So look it up if you're interested.

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<v Speaker 2>Just one of the many crazy things that plants do

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<v Speaker 2>that we can enjoy as gardeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Netta writes to us, I help my sister's family with

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<v Speaker 1>their garden. I love it. She asked about these irises.

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<v Speaker 1>I told her they were irises, But in four to

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<v Speaker 1>five years since she's transplanted them, they've never bloomed. She

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<v Speaker 1>likes the foliage even without the flowers. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>have ideas on why they're not blooming five to six

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<v Speaker 1>hours of sun in Connecticut. Any advice? Love your show

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<v Speaker 1>and Stacy, I would say the timing on this question

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<v Speaker 1>is fabulous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it is. Indeed, thank you Netta for your question.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously they're getting enough sun. The issue is that

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<v Speaker 2>they are planted too deep So after your sister transplanted them,

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<v Speaker 2>those rhizomes got buried too deeply and they just don't bloom.

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<v Speaker 2>This also happens with pe andes. If you plant them,

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<v Speaker 2>transplant them and plant them too deeply, they will not flower.

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<v Speaker 2>So very simple solution here, especially as we're coming into fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Just dig them up and replant them, but put them

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<v Speaker 2>so that those big rhizomes are more like at the

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<v Speaker 2>soil surface. You know, if you if you can go

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<v Speaker 2>to a public garden or something like that and see

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<v Speaker 2>the irises, you'll notice that you very often can see

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<v Speaker 2>almost the entire rhizome above the ground and the plant

501
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<v Speaker 2>will just do that naturally. So I dig these out,

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<v Speaker 2>move them up so that those rhizomes are just barely

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<v Speaker 2>covered with soil because rain and so forth will take

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<v Speaker 2>care of the rest and you should be back to

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<v Speaker 2>blooming this spring.

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<v Speaker 1>I would hope yeah, and Stacy, if they're too crowded, divide.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I say this. The timing on this question

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<v Speaker 1>is great. Generally divide and do that work on iris

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<v Speaker 1>about eight weeks after they've bloomed. So usually, at least

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<v Speaker 1>here in Michigan, we tend to do that work in

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<v Speaker 1>August September. So I would say in Connecticut, your timing

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<v Speaker 1>is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, So put it on the list next time you're

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<v Speaker 2>rich your sisters and you're going to be an Irish

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<v Speaker 2>superhero to her and her family.

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara has a great question. I have some questions about

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<v Speaker 1>mulching and the use of mulch when gardening. Initially, when

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<v Speaker 1>I was starting my gardens, I did use mulch each spring,

519
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<v Speaker 1>But now I have not been using mulch at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I've planted a lot of groundcover that's taking over the

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<v Speaker 1>foundation of my gardens. Mulch is another expense, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought groundcover I could avoided using the mulch and the expense.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your recommendation to mulching when you've established a groundcover

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<v Speaker 1>or would you like to and should I mulch each

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<v Speaker 1>fall or every other year, and that's from Barbara.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Barbara, that is a great question, and mulching

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<v Speaker 2>is not essential. We do recommend it frequently, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>you have planted something new, and especially if you planted

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<v Speaker 2>like a new tree, shrub or perennial. Putting down a

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<v Speaker 2>good two to three inch layer of mulch is going

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<v Speaker 2>to create ideal root growth conditions so the plant will

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<v Speaker 2>get established quickly. But if you don't need mulch, you

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<v Speaker 2>do not have to use it. And it sounds to

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<v Speaker 2>me like your groundcover has filled in, so it's doing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what the mult would do. It's keeping

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<v Speaker 2>down weeds, it's helping to conserve soil moisture, and as

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<v Speaker 2>long as you're happy with a look, I would not

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<v Speaker 2>not just avoid the expense but the pain of trying

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<v Speaker 2>to apply mulch in between all those fine groundcovers, which

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<v Speaker 2>is not a fun job.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very mulch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes she did say that, by the way, Yes, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you mulch.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We need more. Shout barbar out for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Jill writes to us about four years ago, I planted

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<v Speaker 1>a candy crush Hibiscus loved it so much. Ordered another

548
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<v Speaker 1>two questions, Why is one so much bigger than the other.

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<v Speaker 1>They're both beautiful, but the OCD in me is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bug that they aren't the same size. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about that before. Great question, Jill. Also, they are in

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<v Speaker 1>a planter that surrounds the deck and I love them there.

553
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<v Speaker 1>But are the root systems outgrowing the eighteen inch wide plant? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And Jill did add that she is in Utah and

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<v Speaker 2>we have pictures of Jill's garden where she's sending us

556
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<v Speaker 2>the pictures of the candy crush Hibiscus, which you can

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<v Speaker 2>see on YouTube or at Gardening Simplified on air dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lovely space and I think the candy crush

559
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<v Speaker 2>was a perfect choice. So why is the first one

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<v Speaker 2>so much bigger? She does mention that the second one,

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<v Speaker 2>the smaller one, is the second one that she planted,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, that is simply a matter of the

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<v Speaker 2>plant's maturity. You know, the other one has at least

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<v Speaker 2>a full year on that. And you know hibiscus, the

565
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<v Speaker 2>summerfic hibiscus, they have such a big, dense root system,

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<v Speaker 2>almost like the irises or they've got big kind of

567
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<v Speaker 2>tuberous roots, and the more of those that the plant has,

568
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<v Speaker 2>the more resources it has to grow stems and to

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<v Speaker 2>put on height. So this is really just a matter

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00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>of patients just need to let that second plant have

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<v Speaker 2>some time to get its root system as large as

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00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the and of course the other one will always have

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a head start. But I would

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<v Speaker 2>say by the time the second one has been in

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<v Speaker 2>the ground three years, you're not really going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to notice a difference because at that point they'll

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<v Speaker 2>both have just kind of reached a similar maxed out

578
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<v Speaker 2>point of their root system, and so they'll look a

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<v Speaker 2>lot similar. So a little patients there.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>When I looked at Jill's pictures, I did not see

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<v Speaker 2>any problem with that planter size. I have found overall

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<v Speaker 2>that hibiscus are a bit self regulating. If they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the space to keep growing their roots in, they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They're tough guys, and as Laura Robles said to us

587
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<v Speaker 1>in our show last week, they can handle either wet

588
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<v Speaker 1>soil or dry soil. So the plant I think will

589
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<v Speaker 1>be able to adjust. I don't think i'd go any

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<v Speaker 1>smaller than eighteen inches as far as the container isered.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so it's not even really container. It's like

592
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<v Speaker 2>a brick patio edging kind of thing, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>they'll go deep. I think that you won't have to

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<v Speaker 2>worry about it. And one thing that you can do

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<v Speaker 2>with hibiscus if they do start kind of going out

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00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>to where you don't want them in springs might sound

597
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<v Speaker 2>very cruel to some people, but in spring, when the

598
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:16.079
<v Speaker 2>buds finally start to emerge from those roots, just knock

599
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>them out. If you just knock out that bud or

600
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of buds going in a direction that you

601
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 2>don't want them to go, they will stop growing. So

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to worry about it going too far

603
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.759
<v Speaker 2>over towards your deck or interfering with people walking by.

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00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a very simple solution, doesn't hurt the plant, it

605
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>will just put that energy into other stems. So lots

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<v Speaker 2>of options for control and those candy crush hibiscus one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite of the summer Fixed series, looking absolutely gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you all so much for your questions. If

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<v Speaker 2>you have a question, you can reach us at Gardeningsimplified

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<v Speaker 2>on air dot com. We're going to take a break

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to The Gardening Simplified Show. Today, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about soil tests and soil and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue that theme here in our branching news segment. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk soil health with author, writer, teacher, coach, designer, horticulturist, herbalist,

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<v Speaker 1>joining us on the show today.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's a pleasure, and I'm really impressed with all

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<v Speaker 3>the adjectives you found.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I do follow you in social media. Your

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<v Speaker 1>posts are always very, very interesting. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed this past week you can tell us how

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<v Speaker 1>to fix a broken tomato?

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<v Speaker 3>Well are you? Are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>That was Maggie's post. I've known Maggie for years. Meggie fucko.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's up on the Great Lake. Well, she's in

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio and she's up in I think she's still in

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<v Speaker 3>Lake County, Okay. And she is a home she is

641
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<v Speaker 3>at farmer's markets and whatever, and she just puts on

642
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<v Speaker 3>the greatest posts and her lavender field is absolutely gorgeous. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I shared her posts.

644
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>And Deborah Adriana is looking at me inquisitively. The answer is,

645
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<v Speaker 1>how do you fix a broken tomato? You use tomato paste.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a post, yes, of course, definitely social media.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're here to talk about soil. And you sent

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<v Speaker 1>me something, Deborah that I thought was really great. It

649
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.679
<v Speaker 1>was a quote that said, we abuse land because we

650
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we

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<v Speaker 1>see land as a community to which we belong, we

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<v Speaker 1>may begin to use it with love and respect. This

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00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>is kind of akin to talking about our subject matter

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<v Speaker 1>today as opposed to calling it dirt, calling it soil.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, absolutely, and you just used probably It's one of

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<v Speaker 3>my top five quotes, and I try to work it

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<v Speaker 3>in anytime I'm talking about garden and soil health and

658
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:51.719
<v Speaker 3>the earth because this quote from all the Leopold, which

659
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 3>is in the forward of the Sand County Almanac, it

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00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 3>was necessary or required reading for my students when I

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00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 3>taught it Columbus State. And then also he wrote the

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<v Speaker 3>Land Epic which supports this quote, and it is it

663
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 3>is so important to understand this. A lot of times

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<v Speaker 3>we do treat soil like dirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, it's important EarthCare, people care, and fair share.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk a moment. You know, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of interest, Deborah, in regenerative agriculture or

668
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<v Speaker 1>regenerative horticulture or regenerating soil. How did you get into this?

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<v Speaker 1>What's been your inspiration?

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<v Speaker 3>So I became or I worked my way towards being

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00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 3>an organic gardener in the mid eighties, after having one

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<v Speaker 3>of those epiphanies, you know, I was about to spray

673
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.719
<v Speaker 3>my roses. I had a one year old daughter and

674
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<v Speaker 3>suddenly I thought, what if she puts her touches this

675
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 3>and puts her finger in her mouth. And then I

676
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.079
<v Speaker 3>started looking at well, if I'm thinking about her, who

677
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 3>else should I be thinking about? And I started seeing.

678
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:17.159
<v Speaker 3>I started seeing bees and other insects and birds in

679
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 3>my gardens, and I realized that I was not only

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<v Speaker 3>the caretaker of these pretty flowers that I put in

681
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 3>my gardens, but I was a caretaker or a steward

682
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 3>of the earth. And from there it grew. Even in

683
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 3>my own research at Ohio State, from my master's thesis,

684
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 3>I refused to use pesticides on my plants and herbicides

685
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 3>in my field to keep down weeds. Instead, I did

686
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:49.039
<v Speaker 3>the old fashioned pilling and hoeing in between my rose

687
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.519
<v Speaker 3>to keep weeds down in hand pulling because it was

688
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 3>important for me to honor the earth as well as

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<v Speaker 3>honoring the plants that I was growing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Devora, I think everything you just said is

691
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 2>so important to understanding why it matters to get people

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00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 2>to plant one thing. You know, there's so much you know,

693
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>desire for purity out there, and oh, if you're not

694
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>doing things this organic or this native, you know that

695
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.519
<v Speaker 2>that it's not worth doing and you shouldn't even try.

696
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<v Speaker 2>And I think that for so many people. Certainly it

697
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 2>was the same for me, having that just maybe starting

698
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<v Speaker 2>out as a more conventional gardener. You're only going to

699
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.039
<v Speaker 2>have that epiphany if you are out there in the

700
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>first place. Otherwise, you know, it's just people telling you

701
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>this and telling you that, and you really need to

702
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 2>have that moment that you had to start having a

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00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 2>real change, not just in what you do, but in

704
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the way that you.

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<v Speaker 3>Think absolutely and it and you know it's slow, it

706
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 3>doesn't happen overnight. And then you do something and then

707
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 3>you say, gee, do I want to continue doing that?

708
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 3>And for me, it just built, so it builds slowly.

709
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.880
<v Speaker 3>And then I've read so many people, of course, you know,

710
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 3>Rachel Carson and Gretel Erlik and Terry Tempest Williams and

711
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.480
<v Speaker 3>John Muir and I could go on and on, and

712
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 3>I've read so many of these environmental authors. And once

713
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.400
<v Speaker 3>you get into that, you realize that it's not just

714
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 3>about me, you know, it's about all definitely, Yeah, and

715
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 3>that's huge, and it doesn't but it doesn't have to be.

716
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we think, do no harm. I mean, that's

717
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.360
<v Speaker 3>a great place to start, but then sometimes it's not

718
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<v Speaker 3>that there's a best practice, or even a good practice,

719
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<v Speaker 3>it's the least worst practice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And we're not perfect. I'm not looking for perfections.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking for what's reasonable and what works well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we're not looking for perfection because I'm about

724
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 1>to admit something. I'm feeling guilty. So we're talking about

725
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 1>regenerative agriculture, regenerative horticulture. So I'm going to share with

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<v Speaker 1>you something I feel guilty about, and then something that

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<v Speaker 1>I learned. So Deborah, first, the guilt, let me get

728
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>it off my chest. I'm a tiller. I like to till.

729
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.639
<v Speaker 1>I like to dig until. I like to grind up leaves,

730
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 1>till it into the soil, ad organic matter, the whole

731
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<v Speaker 1>concept of minimizing soil disturbance. I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I struggle with that, and you know a lot of

733
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 3>people do, because it is in our our nature. You know,

734
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.840
<v Speaker 3>we've we've learned. You plow up the field, you pow

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00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 3>up the vegetable garden, and and we but we have

736
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<v Speaker 3>found and you know, our knowledge changes over time. It's

737
00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 3>not like knowledge or science stay static. All this criticism

738
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<v Speaker 3>of science, you know, and oh science didn't get it

739
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.280
<v Speaker 3>right the first time. Well, of course it didn't. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that is us learning, and that is us figuring

741
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 3>out more things. Science is a way to test our theories.

742
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 3>That's why it's called a hypothesis. Sure, now you know

743
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 3>it's not Oh this is a basic truth, and there

744
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.159
<v Speaker 3>are basic truths, but there aren't absolutes. I think in

745
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 3>most things you can't say you're totally done because then

746
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:36.559
<v Speaker 3>something else comes up and you learn something new. So

747
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.840
<v Speaker 3>when you till just to use that example, oh, maybe

748
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 3>I should let you tell me what you've learned before

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<v Speaker 3>I go into mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've learned. First of all, I've learned you know,

751
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be turning sixty five years old this year,

752
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 1>and I've learned that I'm an experienced failure. And that's

753
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 1>been very beneficial to me, because when you make mistakes,

754
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 1>you learn learned from them far better than from reading

755
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a book or having somebody tell you to what to do.

756
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 1>But I think as far as minimizing soil disturbance is concerned,

757
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 1>is it's a good reminder for people like me. As

758
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 1>you say, Deborah, that that when you're dealing with soil,

759
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a complex biological community, and we have to recognize that.

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00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.880
<v Speaker 3>So with pilling, and it is hard because there's something

761
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.480
<v Speaker 3>about that earth smell when you do, it's fantastic, amazing,

762
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 3>and so we want that. And you know, I think

763
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.239
<v Speaker 3>when I was on last time, I even mentioned this before,

764
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:49.000
<v Speaker 3>but my obacterian vace is a little bacteria that enhances

765
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 3>serotonin production in your body, and that's what you're breathing

766
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.960
<v Speaker 3>in when you're killing the soil, so you're feeling good.

767
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's a boost. But we also found that

768
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.480
<v Speaker 3>when we disturb the soil and when we break up

769
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 3>all those pets, you know, the aggregates of soil, when

770
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 3>we break them up, we break up that glue, We

771
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 3>break up all that fungi that's in the soil and

772
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 3>the bacterial communities, and it takes year, two years, three years,

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00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.960
<v Speaker 3>depending on what type of soil and how healthy it

774
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 3>was to begin with, to come back from that. So

775
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of an interesting push pull on this whole

776
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.159
<v Speaker 3>tilling question. But I know I have friends that say

777
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to fill so the day I die, well

778
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:42.519
<v Speaker 3>for it.

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00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.679
<v Speaker 1>It makes me feel grounded. You know, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just oh, is that another fund?

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00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It is but you know, in answer

782
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>to your question, what have I learned? One of the

783
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 1>things that I've learned is that covering the soil is important,

784
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Speaker 1>that the proper use of mold, which can be a

785
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 1>good thing. And I often tell people that in nature,

786
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 1>obviously these plants aren't mulch, but they use a form

787
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 1>of natural mult whether it be sticks, leaves, whatever falls

788
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 1>off the trees, they share that bounty. In essence, the

789
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 1>soil is.

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00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Covered, right, and that's the whole thing. You know, we're

791
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 3>crazy about raking our leaves in the fall. And that

792
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 3>was another epiphany I had. We are hikers and I'm

793
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 3>out there at one of our local parks with the

794
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.440
<v Speaker 3>kids who aren't in the trees, and I'm looking around

795
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:41.519
<v Speaker 3>and I see all the leaves and I think, huh,

796
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 3>nobody rakes the leaves here? Why am I raking the

797
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.199
<v Speaker 3>leaves out of my gardens and under my trees? And

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<v Speaker 3>if you ever visit here in Columbus, you'll see my

799
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 3>woodland path in the front yard. That is all my

800
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:58.679
<v Speaker 3>leaves for my trees. I put them there and there

801
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 3>they stay, and they don't go into the backyard or

802
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.800
<v Speaker 3>into black plastic bags to go away. But they stay

803
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 3>right here on my property, and that's covering the soil.

804
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 3>And I have an area in my front front yard

805
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.559
<v Speaker 3>that is so rich that unless we're in deep drought,

806
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 3>I can dig with it in my hands, with my hands.

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00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's great news for all the people who

809
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.079
<v Speaker 2>feel like gardening is too much work, because what this

810
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.840
<v Speaker 2>change in knowledge and perspective is giving us is permission

811
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 2>to do less, to enjoy more, and to not treat

812
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:41.800
<v Speaker 2>our gardens as you know, sterile, spick and span kind

813
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:46.360
<v Speaker 2>of places that need to be clean quote unquote yeah,

814
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.320
<v Speaker 2>that they should be messy, and that we can emulate

815
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 2>nature in our yards. And as we do that, and

816
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 2>our neighbors maybe look at us askance that we see

817
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.320
<v Speaker 2>that as a as an opportunity to tell them what

818
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 2>we're doing and explain that in a way that starts

819
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 2>to educate and spread the word.

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00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 3>I totally agree. My gardens have become messy messier over time,

821
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<v Speaker 3>if you you know, and I do use that term

822
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 3>because that's how some people perceive, especially my back gardens,

823
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 3>they have become quite messy, quite you know, the plants

824
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 3>are determining who's growing where because I don't have the time.

825
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, you mentioned an age thing just a moment ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am getting older too, and there's only so

827
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.800
<v Speaker 3>much I can do in the gardens before I say okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you know, Stacy mentioned neighbors looking at you.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the word you used, A.

831
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<v Speaker 2>Scans, I said, a scance.

832
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<v Speaker 1>I like that word. My neighbors do that to me, Deborah.

833
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 1>They they view me as they call me Planta Claus.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason for that is in October, November, December,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking around with bags collecting maple leaves from neighbor's

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<v Speaker 1>yards and using them in my garden. So they call

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<v Speaker 1>me plant a clause. But yes, to a degree, they

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<v Speaker 1>do look a scance, Deborah. I wanted to ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>in reading some of your materials, you are a proponent

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<v Speaker 1>of integrating animal manures. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>I am, because one of the points of regenerative agriculture,

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<v Speaker 3>regenerative horticulture is to integrate live stock. Well, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit harder in a garden. So for me in

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<v Speaker 3>regenerative court, I say integrate animal manures because they have

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<v Speaker 3>all these organisms in it that's supercharged the soil, do.

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<v Speaker 2>Deer droppings count.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes they do. I love it because, in fact, this

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<v Speaker 3>year I have had several bucks in my backyard and

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<v Speaker 3>I was used to the deer droppings of does and fonds,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought these too huge. I mean wow, And

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<v Speaker 3>I said, okay, I don't have a bear in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want? And I know, I know I didn't,

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<v Speaker 3>but this was these were amazing. And someone said no,

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<v Speaker 3>that you would just have a couple of healthy books

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<v Speaker 3>bucks in your backyard. And so I just kick it

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<v Speaker 3>into the soil and say, okay, there we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, bonjour manure.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. And I'm just I'm really pleased. I just

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<v Speaker 3>wish they'd put it directly in the garden. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to kick it out of my pathway.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel that, Yes, Buss.

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<v Speaker 1>A quick question for you, Deborah before we we let

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<v Speaker 1>you go. Are you in agreement that soil tests are

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea? Is it a good idea for the

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<v Speaker 1>general homeowner to get a soil test?

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<v Speaker 3>I always tell people to get a soil test, especially

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<v Speaker 3>if the plants aren't growing as well as it looks

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<v Speaker 3>like they should. I know that's kind of a roundabout

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<v Speaker 3>way of saying it, but if you move into a

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<v Speaker 3>new house, or are unsure of what's going on in

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<v Speaker 3>an area of your garden. One of the best things

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<v Speaker 3>you can do is look at a soil test. Look

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<v Speaker 3>at your pH look at your nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium levels,

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<v Speaker 3>and most importantly, your organic organic matter percentage. So many

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<v Speaker 3>of our soils have been degraded and there isn't a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of organic matter, and without organic matter, your plants

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<v Speaker 3>aren't going to grow well. So Yes, I hooleheartedly back

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<v Speaker 3>the use of soil tests. And they did not tell

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<v Speaker 3>me to say this before. I just want to put

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<v Speaker 3>that out there. It's something that I recommend to my

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<v Speaker 3>clients definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mentioned, Deborah is an author, a writer, a teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>a coach, a designer. I'm just amazed at what you do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do call you a community servant. You are

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the community, Deborah, and I appreciate everything you

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<v Speaker 1>do for our industry but also for the community in general,

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<v Speaker 1>because we all love plants. They are a part of us,

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<v Speaker 1>they are a lifestyle. I invite people to visit Deborah's

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<v Speaker 1>website It's Deborah, That's deeb r a deborahthegardensage dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and Deborah. Always a joy to have you on the

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<v Speaker 1>Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, it's a joy to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>See we told you soil would be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, you know Billy Madison. What movie was Billy?

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<v Speaker 1>It was Adam Sandler. He would say, chlorophyll, boraphil. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing boring about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that, he said, well, I never Well, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a very interesting conversation. So we want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>Deborah and I thank you Rick, I you Adriana, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course we thank all of you for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope you have a wonderful week ahead.
