Speaker 1: What's up everybody. It's me Cecily Nobler here with Stephanie
Speaker 1: Wilder tailor.
Speaker 2: And say, hey, yo yo yo, yo, yo yo yo.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that much.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't even it's a lot of yos.
Speaker 2: I went crazy, you know why, generous?
Speaker 1: Yeah, generous. Also, today's a bit of an emergency. We
Speaker 1: had something scheduled for tomorrow. Obviously, I texted stuff and
Speaker 1: I was like, we got to get on this broad.
Speaker 1: We're a couple of days late, actually, on this brad pitdsitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're two thousand late.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is just I okay, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that we're a little bit late to it because
Speaker 1: my opinions changed a little bit and I needed a
Speaker 1: couple of days honestly to sit with this. And really
Speaker 1: I got myself real worked up on this stitch. I
Speaker 1: bet you did too.
Speaker 2: No, I'm surprisingly not worked up about it at all,
Speaker 2: but I do have many opinions about it though.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's normal not to be work. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not worked up like I had to like take
Speaker 1: a day off work. I mean like I'm not making
Speaker 1: it about me, like oh triggered. No, it's nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I just well, also, let's get into it and then
Speaker 1: we'll just tell each other because we don't even know
Speaker 1: how we feel yet right from each other. We're obviously
Speaker 1: talking about Brad Pitt announcing making an announcement. Probably probably
Speaker 1: didn't plan to do that. That was just one of
Speaker 1: those kind of got gotcha moments unexpectedly where he announced
Speaker 1: that he has gone off the way. Are you on
Speaker 1: the wagon or off the way? He's off the way
Speaker 1: when you're yeah, he's off the wagon. He's gone off
Speaker 1: the wagon after allegedly seven years of sobriety. I have
Speaker 1: doubts about that, but I don't feel that's my business.
Speaker 1: So this is the time where he's saying, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I drink now I can drink again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So let me just go back really quick before we
Speaker 1: get into because there's so much to get into. But apparently,
Speaker 1: according to page six and a lot of other places,
Speaker 1: he was seen at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's wedding,
Speaker 1: because of course he'd be at that wedding. Kind I
Speaker 1: want to say, like, all right, Taylor, you know I
Speaker 1: love her, you know I do, and I know that
Speaker 1: they love a celeb and they're so a list and
Speaker 1: the most a list you can be. But like, are
Speaker 1: they friends with Brad Pitt? Like did Brad Pitt need
Speaker 1: to be at their wedding?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: That's that kind of threw me, to be honest in
Speaker 1: the first way.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, is is one of them or both
Speaker 2: of them friends with Brad Pitt? Who? I mean?
Speaker 1: I could see Travis being friends with them, actually though,
Speaker 1: because isn't Brad from like Missouri originally either Missouri or Oklahoma?
Speaker 2: But I could see him being Oklahoma. I think he's Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's Southern.
Speaker 1: No, I swear it's Missouri, which some would also consider
Speaker 1: the South, but you could look that up.
Speaker 2: You could just see either way being Brad Pit. Should
Speaker 2: I write where does Brad Pitt hail from? No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go where's he from? He is
Speaker 2: from Oklahoma? He is, But listen, we're both right. He
Speaker 2: was born in Shawne, Oklahoma, grew up in Missouri. So
Speaker 2: either way, you'd be a Chiefs fan. That's the closest team.
Speaker 2: So I could see him like having become buddies with Travis.
Speaker 2: So I guess it kind of makes sense in many ways.
Speaker 2: But it just kind of struck me just right off
Speaker 2: the bat. So apparently, according to page six, guests at.
Speaker 1: The wedding, we're surprised, they say, to see Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: tipping back drinks, so he's getting this is a little
Speaker 1: getting ahead of something that maybe hadn't come out. I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I guess people had a pretty hardcore nda from that wedding.
Speaker 1: You could not take photos, so people just didn't leak it,
Speaker 1: I guess until now. So I was told page six
Speaker 1: last month that he had been seen at the Star
Speaker 1: stud at affair, and they noted at the time the
Speaker 1: guests were shocked to see Pitt, who vocal about his sobriety,
Speaker 1: drinking at the high profile event with Adam Sandler, Paul McCartney.
Speaker 1: We don't need to name everybody that was there. So
Speaker 1: why was Tom Cruise there? Okay, So now I'm happy
Speaker 1: to you because it is listing some more people that
Speaker 1: were there that maybe we didn't talk about. What is
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise that Taylor's just sweating? They cannot be friends.
Speaker 2: I don't see how they could be friends either.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. Is Taylor Swift not a
Speaker 1: movie star? This is all just that's wow. Okay, what evs?
Speaker 1: What evs? Oh my god, that's gross. It's like the
Speaker 1: met Gala. Okay. So he went with his girlfriend who
Speaker 1: is thirty years his junior, the model. Just to remind
Speaker 1: you that, in no way has he ever stepped back
Speaker 1: and taken a moment and been alone in the crisis
Speaker 1: that is his family. So he does an interview and
Speaker 1: tell me, if I'm jump in whenever, I don't want
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 2: We're good right now. I'm going to all have things
Speaker 2: to say, but keep going.
Speaker 1: In an Esquire interview, which just came out, we're not
Speaker 1: that late. It just came out a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: By the time you're hearing this, he confirmed he made
Speaker 1: the decision to drink again. He said, quote, I was
Speaker 1: sober for seven years and then I got back off
Speaker 1: the wagon. And apparently he kind of laughed when he
Speaker 1: said that, because it's just hilarious. Right then he said,
Speaker 1: in a more restrained manner, I got overconfident a couple times.
Speaker 2: Now, what he said was he's drinking now in a
Speaker 2: more restrainedment.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's saying that right, And he says he got
Speaker 1: overconfident a couple of times. Went yep, nope, not good
Speaker 1: for me, not in big quantities. And then he explained
Speaker 1: that he can quote have a few glasses of wine,
Speaker 1: but can't have a lot. To me, a few is
Speaker 1: a lot, but that's where I'm very small. And then
Speaker 1: he said, quote, I have to be professional about it.
Speaker 1: So this is an esquire so lucky.
Speaker 2: He's so lucky because he's one of the few, very
Speaker 2: few alcoholics that can just have a couple. It's very rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah. First off, okay, let's go back to when he
Speaker 1: had sort of started talking about a sobriety, which you
Speaker 1: went back and listened to the podcast with his buddy
Speaker 1: Dak Shepherd.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I yes, and I do. Uh. Why do
Speaker 2: I always have to I have to make it known
Speaker 2: that I do not. I do not care for Jack
Speaker 2: Jack Shepherd. I'm sure many people like him. He's gotten
Speaker 2: very almost alt right. I don't know what he is,
Speaker 2: but he is, you know, taking a lot of testosterone supplements,
Speaker 2: and he's very you know, he's one of those guys
Speaker 2: now and that's just who he is. But he loves
Speaker 2: the sound of his own voice. He loves interviewing celebrity.
Speaker 2: First of all, I was listening. The reason I say this.
Speaker 1: Is like a tiny bit off topic, but oh my god,
Speaker 1: he took He talked so much, and so did his producer.
Speaker 1: And I think her name's Monica from what I've heard,
Speaker 1: But the two of them were talking so much. I
Speaker 1: was like, Brad fucking Pitt is on your podcas has
Speaker 1: shut up for two seconds.
Speaker 2: Let the man talk. It was crazy. Okay, so here's
Speaker 2: what I got from it. Okay, so Brad Pitt. So
Speaker 2: they were talking about so Dax Shepherd is very open
Speaker 2: about his sobriety, Yes, even though he had a big
Speaker 2: relapse and he did not talk about it openly. And
Speaker 2: then he got like called out by his producer who
Speaker 2: started noticing he was like high on pills, is what happened.
Speaker 2: So then he sort of came out about it and
Speaker 2: was like honest about it again. So in this episode,
Speaker 2: one of the things I didn't love is that they
Speaker 2: were totally talking about meetings. But now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: I talk about meetings too when I'm doing drunkish, but
Speaker 2: it was the way they were talking about it was
Speaker 2: so kind of like, yeah, like we go to like
Speaker 2: special celebrity like Dax's just kept saying, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like when I saw you at that meeting, and like
Speaker 2: when you came in and then like you said that thing,
Speaker 2: like they were just outing each other. It was insane.
Speaker 2: It was really weird and boundaryless, and so Dax was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was so proud of you when I saw you there,
Speaker 2: because like, you know, it's got to be really hard,
Speaker 2: like you're a big star. And then the woman I
Speaker 2: guess let's just call her Monica, if that's her name.
Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, like, did you were you worried about
Speaker 1: like if you shared stuff like that, people would like
Speaker 1: say stuff about like what you said.
Speaker 2: It was. It was also weird that she was even
Speaker 2: weighing in because she wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then Brad goes, no, you know, I was really
Speaker 2: like desperate basically, and he says, I'm trying to remember
Speaker 2: like exactly what he said, but he goes, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was like I'm very shy. He goes, so I didn't
Speaker 2: really want to talk. But then there's these other people
Speaker 2: and they're being really vulnerable and people were so nice
Speaker 2: to me, and I had just he was talking about
Speaker 2: how he just surrendered, how he was in a really
Speaker 2: bad place and he really needed the help, and he
Speaker 2: you know, kind of threw his arms up and jumped in,
Speaker 2: jumped in needed the help.
Speaker 1: It was things were not going well for him. Can
Speaker 1: I ask a question, and honest, this is not a joke.
Speaker 1: Was he core ordered to do that because he was investigated?
Speaker 1: Remember this all came after he was investigated by the
Speaker 1: FBI for the plane incident, which we've talked about many times,
Speaker 1: where he allegedly, we have to use that word, allegedly
Speaker 1: poured a drink on Angela Angeli put his hands, possibly
Speaker 1: on one of the children. The children were terrified. He
Speaker 1: was drunk and getting drunker.
Speaker 2: Right, we just read that whole report about.
Speaker 1: Which you have to say, it's not from the FBI,
Speaker 1: it's from Angelina's legal team. It looks like so that
Speaker 1: is not necessarily that is her account of what happened.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we can't say for sure it happened.
Speaker 1: I was there, but I am not allowed to say.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, and you wouldn't You wouldn't say because
Speaker 2: it's like not your business and you don't you know,
Speaker 2: you let Angelina do it.
Speaker 1: Friend? Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to ruin that friendship. Obviously,
Speaker 1: But but don't you think like he was that was
Speaker 1: part of like some of the stuff he had to do.
Speaker 1: Is that possible, you know, you'd have to show up,
Speaker 1: anything's possible. Yeah, I mean he did make it sound
Speaker 1: like he decided to quit drinking. But yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's totally possible that that definitely happens. You if you
Speaker 1: get arrested, then you get a court you might get
Speaker 1: a court order to go, and then somebody has to
Speaker 1: like sign your court card, and it's yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: whole thing. That's very possible, probable that that's what happened,
Speaker 1: because we don't know how often he showed up at
Speaker 1: those days, and we're not putting down I don't want
Speaker 1: to put down the idea that he did do that,
Speaker 1: and he did show up and talk about it. That's helpful, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if he was serious and was trying to
Speaker 1: better himself in some way. But I have more thoughts
Speaker 1: on that, So tell us more about this interview or
Speaker 1: anything else you want to tell us about them. Those two.
Speaker 2: I don't like, that's all. That's all I know from
Speaker 2: the The interview was kind of short, and it was
Speaker 2: a lot of sort of patting themselves on the back
Speaker 2: and and you know, just about his sobriety and how
Speaker 2: great it is, and you know, I mean that that's
Speaker 2: really kind of it. But it definitely seemed.
Speaker 1: What there's more, there's more from this Esquire then, so
Speaker 1: that's the yahing. So he said what he said. And
Speaker 1: then okay, as we know, he's not like almost I
Speaker 1: guess all the kids have dropped the pit from the name.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a big deal, so he says in
Speaker 1: this Esquire interview. Also he talks about how dark that
Speaker 1: period of his life was. And I haven't heard the
Speaker 1: whole thing or read the whole thing, to be fair,
Speaker 1: so he may have gone into this. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes age six just picks up, you know, it takes
Speaker 1: an angle, but it says he admits he wants quote
Speaker 1: felt suicidal while navigating quote family stuff. Now I want
Speaker 1: to just say that I know two people interviewed not
Speaker 1: the brightest bulb at least as far as like verbal like,
Speaker 1: he does not present very well. Okay, So if he
Speaker 1: says like family, it just might be how he talks.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that he's like, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: dismissing it. In some way. I just don't think he
Speaker 1: always has the words. So he said, quote, I've never
Speaker 1: been suicidal except for one little period. And in that
Speaker 1: one little period, I just thought I just couldn't didn't
Speaker 1: see a way out. He said, the pain was so
Speaker 1: oppressive that I wasn't going to act on this, but
Speaker 1: I could feel I could feel the cold steel of
Speaker 1: the bullet in my head and it felt like relief.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I hadn't even read that full thing until I just
Speaker 1: said it now, so trigger mm.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, introactive tugger warning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, and that is awful, and I believe him.
Speaker 1: And then he said quote and I thought, Okay, now
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand suicide in the sense that it's
Speaker 1: just relief, it's just looking for relief from the pain.
Speaker 1: But I also think we have incredible survival instincts, and
Speaker 1: for me that immediately kicked in. But it was just
Speaker 1: dot dot dot. He paused and said, quote, this shit
Speaker 1: ain't easy, and you're talking to a guy who won
Speaker 1: the lottery. So I'm glad he actually said that because
Speaker 1: he knows how privileged he has been, so he's saying,
Speaker 1: look that's coming from me, that I felt this way.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine basically, if you're not a movie star,
Speaker 1: like the best looking guy in the world with all
Speaker 1: the money in the world, Like, maybe it's even harder, right,
Speaker 1: he's probably saying. And then when the reporter asked him
Speaker 1: if what if he was dealing with quote, kids stuff,
Speaker 1: he replied, family stuff. We could leave it at that.
Speaker 2: We could leave it at we can leave it at that.
Speaker 2: We can leave it at that.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to dig into, and I can
Speaker 1: I just tell you, like my first yeah, sure, go ahead.
Speaker 1: My first thought might be different than yours, and it
Speaker 1: has changed. But my first thought is like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: reading all these threads posts and everybody's this armchair expert
Speaker 1: speaking of Jax Shepherd, everybody's whatever, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys have a little people should have a little grace.
Speaker 1: Like his drinking and what he decides to do with
Speaker 1: it or not do with it, or whether he's an
Speaker 1: alcoholic or what isn't none of y'all's business. That was
Speaker 1: my first thought. I know that's crazy, and I have
Speaker 1: changed my mind.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's crazy. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: I was scared to tell you. Of course, you're gonna
Speaker 1: because I just felt like some of the people on threads,
Speaker 1: it's like, Ari, who are you?
Speaker 2: Of course a lot of these people. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. People's sobriety is their business, of course.
Speaker 1: And they can make it whatever. But then I got
Speaker 1: mad in a separate way. So it was separate. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I still believe it's none of the business
Speaker 1: of their like how much as these people are doing
Speaker 1: god knows what on their computers and taking whatever they
Speaker 1: take or drinking whatever they drink. Talking about Brad Pitt,
Speaker 1: I hate that shit. But I also got really mad.
Speaker 1: I'm like, does Brad ever publicly take any accountability for
Speaker 1: anything that he's done? No, And I don't know answer,
Speaker 1: but I don't think so.
Speaker 2: The thing is that that and we can be of too,
Speaker 2: We can be of a few minds. I will. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what I think, and and it changes too,
Speaker 2: because it changes depending on like what I read. You know,
Speaker 2: I read something and then I go that makes sense,
Speaker 2: and then I read something else. But like, from from
Speaker 2: my opinion, this isn't going to work out like that's
Speaker 2: that's that's my opinion. I've never seen it work out
Speaker 2: for anybody. Who's really had to take a very hard
Speaker 2: look at their drinking. It's it's not like it's not
Speaker 2: a thing. Alcoholism doesn't go away. And we've talked about this,
Speaker 2: We've talked about the idea that people have about like, well, no,
Speaker 2: I was just going through a stressful time and now
Speaker 2: I'm going to be now I can moderate. That was
Speaker 2: just that was just a bad time of life. That
Speaker 2: that's just not it's not how alcoholism works once you
Speaker 2: get dependent he's.
Speaker 1: An alcoholic or in other things like is he maybe
Speaker 1: just a rage addict? Is it a pot? Is it?
Speaker 1: Could it not be alcohol? And he's like, I can
Speaker 1: drink wine. I just shouldn't take this like is that pump?
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing where I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's an alcoholic.
Speaker 2: Well okay, okay, but this way of thinking is this
Speaker 2: is kind of part of the problem, the thinking of like, well,
Speaker 2: we don't know if he's officially an alcoholic. He could
Speaker 2: just be a problem drinker. None of it really matters
Speaker 2: to me. But the idea and this is like this
Speaker 2: is hard because this is this is going to sound
Speaker 2: really pompous, but this is like a lot of the
Speaker 2: work that I had to do around this whole topic
Speaker 2: for years. Okay, so I'm sober seventeen years. I've had
Speaker 2: a lot of different thinking about it over the years,
Speaker 2: especially at the beginning. Your brain constantly questions like, okay,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I'm an actual alcoholic. Well,
Speaker 2: try to think of it this way. What if there's
Speaker 2: no such thing as an alcoholic What if it's not
Speaker 2: a diagnosis. What if it's when you drink, bad shit happens.
Speaker 2: So for regular people who don't have a drinking issue,
Speaker 2: they don't get so drunk that they're beating their wife
Speaker 2: on a plane and scaring the shit out of all
Speaker 2: their kids.
Speaker 1: Or cheating on another wife or god only knows what
Speaker 1: when they're using whatever they're using. Yes, wo, So whatever
Speaker 1: that is, whatever that thing is that's in him, he
Speaker 1: that doesn't go away. It doesn't go away where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've mastered this and.
Speaker 2: Now I only have one drink. And case in point
Speaker 2: is that he's already saying I've already had. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: been some incidents.
Speaker 1: Oh right, because he's like yes, A couple of times
Speaker 1: I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa, Yeah, No.
Speaker 2: Nope, you can't do that. Okay. You can't tell me
Speaker 2: that prior to this he didn't beat prior to getting sober,
Speaker 2: you can't tell me that he didn't go like, oh God,
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't drink. You can't tell me that he
Speaker 2: didn't have one hundred incidents where he drank too much.
Speaker 2: But guess what, he's a celebrity, so he gets away.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. People are going to cover for him.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's just Braddy's heavy drinker. Same with
Speaker 2: George Clooney, same with that whole fucking group.
Speaker 1: Except Clooney well aff Like, yes, Clooney doesn't have the
Speaker 1: reputation of being an asshole. He's definitely a drinker. I
Speaker 1: would say alcoholic if I had to use the word,
Speaker 1: because I've told you I had to sign an NDA
Speaker 1: at a thing with him.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he has even alcohol issues.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he likes he likes a drinky drink,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have no negative issues seem to come
Speaker 1: from it that I know of. I'm sure he's womanized
Speaker 1: or whatever. He's George Clooney, but like he seems to
Speaker 1: be for whatever reason, there's not that monster.
Speaker 2: We haven't been public Yeah, correct.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, I mean Brad
Speaker 1: has had quite a few. By the way, I did
Speaker 1: google whether he apologized to Jen Anniston because I keep
Speaker 1: coming back to, like, where's this freaking accountability about his
Speaker 1: kids or anything? And it says that AI says that
Speaker 1: he did apologize to her privately, which is fine, according
Speaker 1: to them, that he called her at some point and
Speaker 1: made and made amends maybe during his sobriety, and said
Speaker 1: he was emotionally absent as a partner and sorry about
Speaker 1: the painful way they're a marriage. So I mean, okay, right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't owe it to us, She doesn't. Nobody owes us.
Speaker 1: This is their life. But like I'm now thinking about
Speaker 1: those kids, and I'm like, dude, dude, even if you're
Speaker 1: still struggling with your sobriety, why are you what And
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking to you. I'm speaking to Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: because I know he listens, Like, why are you being
Speaker 1: so pompous about it yourself? Why are you like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I drink him. It's for fucking crazy, Like
Speaker 1: you have six kids who are not speaking to you,
Speaker 1: and your press couldn't be worse right now? Why what
Speaker 1: are you thinking, dude, sneak it man, which is kind
Speaker 1: of to your point. He probably has been sneaking at
Speaker 1: this whole like a long time. This isn't the He
Speaker 1: didn't just start drinking at Taylor's wedding.
Speaker 2: Let me read you. I found this article about Angelina
Speaker 2: Jolie's reaction.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, this is on VT dot co. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever seen that. I get it
Speaker 1: on any It doesn't really matter. Angelina Jolie admitted she
Speaker 1: wasn't taken aback upon hearing that X husband Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: was no longer sober. She shocked fans this week with Oh.
Speaker 1: He shocked fans this week with news that he was
Speaker 1: no longer sober after seven years of avoiding blah blah
Speaker 1: blah okay. He began his sobriety journey after splitting from
Speaker 1: Joe Lee as he was accused of pouring alcohol on
Speaker 1: her and their children during a fight on board the
Speaker 1: private jet Okay in twenty sixteen. The sixty two year
Speaker 1: old previously revealed that he was working on battling his
Speaker 1: demons at and then of course they alcoholics anonymous, and
Speaker 1: that he was done with drinking for good and now
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, he admitted he'd gotten back off the wagon.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 1: Hold on.
Speaker 2: A source close to Joe Lee has now commented on
Speaker 2: the situation, telling this whatever column, Angelina is not surprised.
Speaker 2: She tried to warn people she knew this was always
Speaker 2: a possibility. They added that the actress had quote long
Speaker 2: believed that sobriety did not necessarily mean the underlying problems
Speaker 2: Brad had had disappeared. She doesn't believe Brad is fundamentally changed.
Speaker 2: She believes Brad is who Brad is, and no amount
Speaker 2: of sobriety or reinvention changes this. So I mean yeah. Also, also,
Speaker 2: let me say this. Supposedly he got sober right after
Speaker 2: the incident, right that was in twenty sixteen, But also
Speaker 2: supposedly he's been sober for seven years. Well, that math
Speaker 2: doesn't add up, because you're right about that, there's three
Speaker 2: missing years. So either he started drinking three years ago
Speaker 2: and has been drinking ever since, or he didn't stop
Speaker 2: drinking after that plane incident for another three years. I
Speaker 2: think it's the other way around. I think he stopped
Speaker 2: drinking right away. I think he stopped drinking after that
Speaker 2: happened and his life was in shambles, and then I
Speaker 2: think he's been drinking for the last few years. I
Speaker 2: think you're totally right about that.
Speaker 1: He can't so he can't claim he's had ten years
Speaker 1: of sobriety because all of his people around him would
Speaker 1: claim bullshit.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That would be so gross.
Speaker 2: So he's acknowledging Oh, I was seven years sober. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think I also feel even us talking about it,
Speaker 1: you know, because I was saying all the threads, posts
Speaker 1: and stuff are kind of gross to me, like micromanaging somebody.
Speaker 1: Not you're we're not doing it, but like the idea
Speaker 1: of doing that that must be so hard. You're struggling
Speaker 1: with something, and you know, every you're under this microscope
Speaker 1: of every single person online who's like, oh, you had
Speaker 1: a drink, because you know, everybody's just trying to like
Speaker 1: throw it to somebody else to deflect from their own lives.
Speaker 1: But that said, how can you not Why is it
Speaker 1: that you're not doing everything you can to repair your relationships.
Speaker 1: I'm not I guess I'm not saying that he's not
Speaker 1: doing that. Maybe he reaches out to his kids every day.
Speaker 1: Maybe he sends a text every day to every kid,
Speaker 1: or at least four of them. I know, I know
Speaker 1: the older ones he's probably not going to. There's no
Speaker 1: hope at all, I don't think, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he tries, and we don't know. We're not pretty
Speaker 1: to that because we don't know, but I will.
Speaker 2: It's surprising that all of his kids are not speaking
Speaker 2: to him, like that's you know what I mean, things
Speaker 2: had to have been kind of bad, and so to me,
Speaker 2: this is just my feeling. And this, you know, this
Speaker 2: could be judgmental, okay, but my feeling is like if
Speaker 2: if none of your kids are speaking to you and
Speaker 2: you claim that that's really awful for you, and there's
Speaker 2: been news reports that he just feels right that she's
Speaker 2: poison the kids against him and it's just so sad
Speaker 2: for him. Well guess what. Drinking is not going to help.
Speaker 2: And also I don't love and this is this is
Speaker 2: where I do feel like it's nobody's business and I
Speaker 2: don't think it's helpful to people to, like, as we
Speaker 2: call it, take their inventory and decide whether they have
Speaker 2: a problem or not. Like you're like, you're saying it's
Speaker 2: not really our business, like whether he drinks or not.
Speaker 2: I mean, but on the other hand, I think it's
Speaker 2: kind of a bad example for people. And I think
Speaker 2: when you are glib about it and you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not a problem for me anymore. Yeah, I guarantee
Speaker 2: you it's going to be at some point. And I
Speaker 2: guarantee you when your Brad Pitt and you're like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I was sober for a while, got over
Speaker 2: my problems and now I can like totally drink again.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea how many people are going
Speaker 2: to be like, oh shit, well, I I'm sure I
Speaker 2: can too. You're so right, and that's also their business.
Speaker 1: But like when you're when you get like public about
Speaker 1: it and you're like, hey, making a big announcement, I'm
Speaker 1: totally fine to drink now.
Speaker 2: I don't know is that responsible?
Speaker 1: I mean, I only have you know You're I'm way
Speaker 1: more interested in your opinion on this because I I
Speaker 1: don't know. I you know, I've dated some people who've
Speaker 1: had issues like this, and I one in particular, who
Speaker 1: I mean he went to rehabit bun she went to
Speaker 1: AA about and then he would just start drinking, and
Speaker 1: then it was never like he could he could never
Speaker 1: have one glass wine. And that was the argument back
Speaker 1: and forth because I never understood.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: He would say to me when he was sober, you understand,
Speaker 1: I can either have I can't have one. If I
Speaker 1: have one, I have ten. And it was and I
Speaker 1: didn't understand. We've talked about this where I was just like,
Speaker 1: why can't you just have one? We're all just having one.
Speaker 1: He was like, I literally can't. Once the door opens,
Speaker 1: the door doesn't close until I pass out. Well, then
Speaker 1: I'm like, then why do you drink? Like I understand?
Speaker 1: And he just kept going back.
Speaker 2: But I'll let me say this, and this is, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, this is. This is my experience. My experience
Speaker 2: is that, like, there were many times that I could
Speaker 2: have one. The problem is when you've kind of proven
Speaker 2: to yourself that yeah, maybe a bunch of times you
Speaker 2: can have one. But obviously, and this seems to be
Speaker 2: Brad Pitt's experience as well, there are times that you
Speaker 2: can't well, when you can't predict that bad shit's not
Speaker 2: going to happen if you accidentally have more than one.
Speaker 2: So you take somebody like me and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that my experience is everyone's experience, but for a very
Speaker 2: long time, I don't think I was somebody that people
Speaker 2: would go, oh my god, Stephanie, she's such a bad alcoholic,
Speaker 2: Like you can't like the second you know, she always
Speaker 2: has like ten drinks. That wasn't the case. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there were people that were, like, Jesus, stuff really
Speaker 2: gets drunk sometimes, but there are plenty of times I didn't,
Speaker 2: and there are plenty of times at home I didn't.
Speaker 2: And at a certain point, when you keep trying to
Speaker 2: manage your drinking and trying to manage your drinking, and
Speaker 2: then let's just say, you go like, hey, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to be somebody who like drinks sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2: but I'm only but I'm going to control it and
Speaker 2: I'm only going to have like a few, and I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna drive.
Speaker 1: And then cut to like I drove, cut to you're
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake. Have to cut to your justin fucking Timberlake
Speaker 1: or Britney Spears where you could go like, hey, if
Speaker 1: you're justin Timberlake, let's compare him to Brad Pitt. You're
Speaker 1: not somebody who can't is drinking from morning till night.
Speaker 1: All you hear about Justine. He's not Shia Laboof. He's
Speaker 1: not constantly having these issues, right right, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not Andy Dick, And I'm shy that
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake is like guys, everybody stop overreacting, Like just
Speaker 1: sometimes I get a little drunk, but I can totally
Speaker 1: control it. Now, that to me is a similar to
Speaker 1: the Brad Pitt thing. But one day when he's not
Speaker 1: controlling it bad, something bad's gonna happen. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: or maybe not, because it didn't for a really long time.
Speaker 1: He never got and I was gonna say this before,
Speaker 1: like not that he should. Okay, so he has a
Speaker 1: drinking problem, he has family stuff in his life happens.
Speaker 1: He's still a movie star. He's still a really good
Speaker 1: actor actually, and he gets cast and stuff. So he's
Speaker 1: still a working actor. And I only bring that up
Speaker 1: because when women do this, have you noticed, then they're out.
Speaker 1: Women gets drunk and weird shit happens and they're no
Speaker 1: longer seem to be cast in things. But when these
Speaker 1: guys do it, no problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is kind of a guy thing. It's
Speaker 2: like a little bit macho. It's a little bit like
Speaker 2: you know, the guys, boys will be boys, right.
Speaker 1: And if the hotter, you know, the hotter they are, like, well, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think I think my bottom line opinion is
Speaker 2: like I feel I feel kind of bad because you know,
Speaker 2: it didn't work for me. It hasn't worked for a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Most people I know can't learn to like control their drinking.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be sad if if if it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: then I kind of feel bad again. His business, it is.
Speaker 1: His business, and it is it probably has been half
Speaker 1: working quote unquote for a few years. But what's not
Speaker 1: working is his relationship with his children. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how he I don't know what that private situation
Speaker 1: looks like. I hope there is one, Like I hope
Speaker 1: he's writing them a letter once a week or doing something.
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling, my gut feeling says he's
Speaker 1: not doing that.
Speaker 2: But you know, you could also make the argument that
Speaker 2: that's also kind of none of our business. Like maybe
Speaker 2: in his mind he's like like I've tried, these kids
Speaker 2: don't care, So now I'm going to live my life.
Speaker 2: I'm going to drink. If I want to fucking drink,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do what I want to.
Speaker 1: Do, be my granddaughter, and I'm gonna go about my
Speaker 1: life be in a hot red bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that obviously, maybe some stuff has happened,
Speaker 2: maybe somebody's seen him drunk, because I'm not sure why.
Speaker 2: And this is what a lot of people are saying too,
Speaker 2: like why the announcement, Like why are you talking about it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're trying to do some damage control. He offered the
Speaker 2: interviewer some wine. Did you know that that?
Speaker 1: I read that somewhere where he started where he was like,
Speaker 1: do you want some wine? And the guy I apparently
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how went down, but that's how
Speaker 1: the conversation came up. Because you know, they have been
Speaker 1: fighting for how long eight years over this French winery.
Speaker 1: It's all so freaking weird. It's all so crazy.
Speaker 2: He's like, listen, I can totally drink. That's why I
Speaker 2: need to remain in control of my winery. Like that's
Speaker 2: his whole thing is like I she can't have it,
Speaker 2: like I can totally drink. Maybe Angeline was like, you
Speaker 2: don't even drink.
Speaker 1: He's so vindictive, even with her. I mean, from what
Speaker 1: I've read, she is the one who really did want
Speaker 1: to just be like, let's cut this off. She sold
Speaker 1: her shares, she didn't want any ties to him. Then
Speaker 1: he's the one that kept coming back and back and
Speaker 1: back making it. Hell, I'm not a huge fan of
Speaker 1: the way that she handled things in that whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a weird thing, and I think
Speaker 1: she's just like she kind of sucks too. But in
Speaker 1: this case, I do really think she was trying to
Speaker 1: get out of that, you know, legally along before that
Speaker 1: he would even allow it, right from what I can
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Speaker 1: Okay, you guys, well, thanks for listening to our yeah
Speaker 1: kind of random opinions. I guess we didn't really bring
Speaker 1: much more information to you, but we just wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about it. You probably already know all this shit,
Speaker 1: but like I want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have any like last like anything from
Speaker 2: like threads. I feel like people's opinions are kind of
Speaker 2: all over the place.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're I would say, the threads that I
Speaker 1: see are very like mad at Brad. They're very they're
Speaker 1: taking it very very personally.
Speaker 2: Why are they? Why are they mad?
Speaker 1: I love them those they are mad. But that he's
Speaker 1: drink They're like, how dare you say you can drink?
Speaker 1: So in real life this happens all the time. Like
Speaker 1: most people don't get sober and then like that's it.
Speaker 1: They just never drink again for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, right, oh, people that.
Speaker 2: Do, I think it's way more rare and they have
Speaker 2: to be really actively working a program.
Speaker 1: Here's what somebody wrote. This is interesting. This is just
Speaker 1: an hour ago. Someone wrote, dear Brad Pitt, haters, addiction
Speaker 1: is not all or nothing. What seems to be the
Speaker 1: real problem is your intolerance and unscientific approach to substance
Speaker 1: use disorder. Contrary to popular belief, it's possible to moderate
Speaker 1: I don't know if we agree with this, to moderate
Speaker 1: use harm reduction and yes, drink again. And to those
Speaker 1: who say this rhetoric is dangerous, it may cause someone
Speaker 1: to relapse. One you're speaking for others. Two you're invalidating
Speaker 1: others' experiences, and three you're believing Minnesota abstinence model nonsense.
Speaker 1: What is Minnesota abstinence like the opposite of California sober?
Speaker 1: Interesting We're just put the states in there, but then
Speaker 1: the next person right down says, I've been sober over
Speaker 1: six years. Brad Pitt is an addict. There's no quote
Speaker 1: controlling intake. My mind is mush trying to understand what
Speaker 1: his pr people were thinking. Fuck all the way off, Brad.
Speaker 1: Now they kind of lost me on the fuck all
Speaker 1: the way off Brad. But I guess you could just
Speaker 1: say that because he's, you know, has been a dick
Speaker 1: to his children, and that's what I get. I get that,
Speaker 1: But it seems like they're saying it based on his drinking.
Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, well.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Kristin Johnson said, who was from
Speaker 2: the actress from Third Rock from the Sun, who is
Speaker 2: very famous. She wrote Guts.
Speaker 1: Little Krista, don't she fell out the window in Sex
Speaker 1: and the City.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, of course, tiny little side story. Way back
Speaker 2: when she wrote Guts, she argued with somebody, I want
Speaker 2: to say, on like an Amazon threat or on Goodreads
Speaker 2: or somewhere, somebody wrote a review and didn't love her book,
Speaker 2: and she got really mad and was like, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: why don't you fucking call me when you've written your
Speaker 2: own book, bitch? And I was like, oh, I like it.
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, I get you mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, So she says. She says, I'm
Speaker 2: not judging anyone because it's such a tricky disease and
Speaker 2: your brain makes Olympian sized leaps to accept your quote
Speaker 2: normal and can now quote have a few drinks. But
Speaker 2: no matter what you convince yourself is okay for you.
Speaker 2: In my personal experience, myself and everyone I know with
Speaker 2: this disease, it always always ends the same way, on
Speaker 2: your knees, staring death in the face. It's brutal and
Speaker 2: scary and so painful. Ask me how I know.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that gave me chills. I know. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: something that's a little off topic, but it's about Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1: But I can speak to this because I was at
Speaker 1: the Coffee Bean at the same time with him once,
Speaker 1: which is so random. He was in his Brad pit
Speaker 1: heyday he was dating Jen. I mean he was married
Speaker 1: to Jen Anniston because when they were like letting their
Speaker 1: hair go already, you know how he like just takes
Speaker 1: on whoever he's with their hairstyle. So he was being
Speaker 1: all like pothead Malibu. But for some reason he probably
Speaker 1: had a meeting. He was in Hollywood and I was there,
Speaker 1: and so somebody wrote worst hygienia celebrity I've ever come
Speaker 1: across by a mile, and I can attest that is true.
Speaker 1: He smells really bad. Now. I know that's not a
Speaker 1: nice thing to say. I don't always smell great. I
Speaker 1: get it, it's fine, but he does. There is a
Speaker 1: waft wherever he is very bad beat out. Yeah, isn't
Speaker 1: that interesting? So like so like the Lord gives you
Speaker 1: this base and body. But then also it's like, but
Speaker 1: m but do you think it's just because he's just
Speaker 1: not showering.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I said you could smell him come into his manager's office,
Speaker 1: long before he actually entered the true story. Once in
Speaker 1: a while, my kid will take off his shoes after
Speaker 1: running around in a field for a day, and I
Speaker 1: will sigh and say, oh, hi, Brad, gread to smell
Speaker 1: you again.
Speaker 2: I will tell you. I'll give you one last thing.
Speaker 2: It just one last quick comment somebody made on threads,
Speaker 2: which is quote his life changed equals. None of his
Speaker 2: kids speak to him, and they've disavowed him as their
Speaker 2: father by dropping his last name. Bottom's up.
Speaker 1: Mmmm shit, you're getting the good comments that damn Anyway,
Speaker 1: I finally wish them all well. Yes, said, he's okay,
Speaker 1: and I hope that like. And I'm still a fan
Speaker 1: of his work. And I hope his family's okay and
Speaker 1: that they heal and I'll do the best they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all can, all right, Thanks everybody. Ye, after
Speaker 2: all that