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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey, come and fame, my pain, the money, my way, whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>Why think alone when you can drink it all in

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<v Speaker 2>with Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hour, Join your bartenders, Steve Hayward, John You, and the

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<v Speaker 1>International Woman of Mystery, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the laps it up?

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<v Speaker 3>And David, ain't you easy on the should taps?

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<v Speaker 2>Got to give me and let that whiskey blo.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome everyone to the three Whiskey Happy Hour. We are

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<v Speaker 4>very happy to be here again altogether, Me Lucretia, the

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<v Speaker 4>International Woman of Mystery, with my favorite co hosts also

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<v Speaker 4>my only co host, but they are my favorite, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>Steve Hayward and the media sensation, John.

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<v Speaker 3>You, my media sensation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well look, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Time I turned around your you're somewhere John, it's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But look forget about all the Fox News shows he does.

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<v Speaker 1>He made the big time this week Steve Bannon's.

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<v Speaker 2>War Room Whoop, Whoop.

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<v Speaker 3>I only went on because Governor Newsom had declared it's

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<v Speaker 3>safe for America.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we'll come to that maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you always listen to what govern governor.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually wanted to go find I wanted to find out

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<v Speaker 3>were all the hubbo bus, because I assume that's where

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<v Speaker 3>Lucretia gets all our news from. But I was disappointed.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a video watcher. If I can't read it,

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<v Speaker 4>I make exceptions, quite frankly, John, only for you. That

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<v Speaker 4>is a actually a subject of some some difficulty in

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<v Speaker 4>the in the Lucretia household, because I want to read

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<v Speaker 4>and mister Lucretia wants to watch videos like that all day.

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<v Speaker 4>We are different kinds of learners, shall we say, And

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<v Speaker 4>so it's it's it's always been a point of contention.

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<v Speaker 4>But I actually listened. I did it when he wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>in the room, so he wouldn't know. Listen to you

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<v Speaker 4>on Rumble on war the war room, the war room.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't that where that little hottie Natalie Winters isn't she

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<v Speaker 4>a doesn't she work for Bannon?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it's that or something. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you know I'm talking about the wind they

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<v Speaker 4>consider inappropriately dressed, right, yeah, John, shaking his head. No

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<v Speaker 4>she's not, No, she's not.

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<v Speaker 5>I had no idea about any of this, realized, Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 5>you have just confessed to a live audience, live audience,

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<v Speaker 5>that you only have eyes for you for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I couldn't help it, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm always interested in what John has to say, and

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<v Speaker 4>lately I can read it for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But since since you're the host, I get to interrupt

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<v Speaker 1>this episode and listeners want to know, Lucretia if your

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<v Speaker 1>support for Trump is still unwavering in light of a

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<v Speaker 1>two tariff on Scotch whiskey, which hits close to the

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<v Speaker 1>bone for the show. I mean, I'm down here on

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<v Speaker 1>my last half Inchipny.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you're more on Steve. Look, first of all, who

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<v Speaker 4>actually thinks that this terriff war is going to go

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<v Speaker 4>on for any length of time, years or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody knows that, you know, Trump is going to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out how to end it and get them to do

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<v Speaker 4>exactly what he wanted from the beginning. So ay, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not worried about that, and be unlike you, I probably

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<v Speaker 4>have thirty bottles of Scotch in my house. Yeah, at

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<v Speaker 4>least twenty of which are excellent bottles, and I could

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<v Speaker 4>keep drinking it from now until doomsday before I ran out.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're a Scotch prepper, then, is that what you're

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<v Speaker 2>telling us?

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't everybody have a full wine cellar and a full

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<v Speaker 4>liquor cabinet of bourbon and Scotch, and then you know

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<v Speaker 4>that other stuff that people drink. You don't really quite

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<v Speaker 4>understand why run vodka things like that. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 4>have an entire break front of building alcohol. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>even understand this whole idea about worrying about tariffs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>if my mask oponent, my Italian flower gets more expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was hoping this would be a buying opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>because the throat of the tarts are going to drive

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<v Speaker 3>all the fake people out of the market, and people

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<v Speaker 3>with some money and true discretion can now enter and

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<v Speaker 3>pick up the bargains.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't set the liquor store, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I haven't been for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have my eye on this ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars bottle of Highland Park that set. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a McCallan that's at a very fine liquor store

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<v Speaker 1>near me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm saving up for that. And now it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, gonna be three hundred thousand dollars with.

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<v Speaker 3>No Steve, Steve, it doesn't apply to goods already here, Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>Now see what I'm talking about. This is exactly a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>When I enter the market, it starts, no, that is

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<v Speaker 2>that is mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>And John, you know you don't you know the economic

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<v Speaker 1>principle of replacement costs.

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<v Speaker 2>The liquor store is gonna they use it. Never Mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope never mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just say that I'm not worried. You're not worried

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<v Speaker 4>Trump and I support Elon in case you know all

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<v Speaker 4>of those listeners out there who gave me such a

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<v Speaker 4>hard time, including YouTube, by the way, for buying the Tesla.

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<v Speaker 4>I love my Tesla. I love everything about my Tesla.

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<v Speaker 4>It is the fastest car I have ever driven. It

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<v Speaker 4>is the most fun car I've ever driven. And it

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<v Speaker 4>makes me happy every day to drive on to campus

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<v Speaker 4>and look at all the sneers I get from people

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<v Speaker 4>because I am driving at Tesla.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's computer.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a computer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's most subsidized car you've ever bought.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, not mine.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to you have to buy the low end

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<v Speaker 4>ones for Tesla's to be subsidized. I didn't get a

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<v Speaker 4>single penny of subsidies subsidies for my my car. I

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<v Speaker 4>did for my Tesla solar system. So our energy system

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<v Speaker 4>in power Wall, and so I got some serious tax

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<v Speaker 4>subsidies for that, and which is why it was purchased

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<v Speaker 4>in the first place. But it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>You were an early adopter all the way around.

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<v Speaker 1>You were an early adopter of Trump back in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen sixteen, and an early adopter of Tesla.

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<v Speaker 2>Before it was cool.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, okay cool, Well, well before it was cool

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<v Speaker 4>in the circles I run in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah right, I mean I took a lot of heat

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<v Speaker 4>across the board from of course, but I also have Starlink,

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<v Speaker 4>so I don't know what else I can buy from

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<v Speaker 4>Elon to show my support. I tried to talk mister

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<v Speaker 4>Lucretian too, buying Tesla stock to show support, but he

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<v Speaker 4>says that's not how we do investments in the Lucretia

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, enough of that says in the Lucretian house was

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<v Speaker 3>just Ammo makers, McDonald's and boos stocks. Rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's alcohol, it's back on firearms or it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a government bureau.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a way of life. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember there's that store up in in Flagstaff, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 4>that is a drive through liquor and gun store. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's so awesome. It's so awesome. And this really beautiful

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<v Speaker 4>bluep uh Doberman pincher that kind of just sits and

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<v Speaker 4>watches everything.

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<v Speaker 2>That do they have a six pack and six shooter special?

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<v Speaker 4>No, they they sell real stuff there. They still really

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you you can go and buy a good

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<v Speaker 4>bottle of bourbon and hollow point, you know. Okay, So anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, enough of that. What we do have to

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<v Speaker 4>give just one second to Schumer caving and have a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of uh chadam freud about that one, because oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to stand up to Trump and how long

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<v Speaker 4>did it take? And why do you suppose Schumer caved?

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, you want me to go, all right, I'm happy to.

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<v Speaker 4>But you should probably tell what I'm talking about. Nowadays,

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<v Speaker 4>news travel so fast eve that we can't that we

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<v Speaker 4>can't assume that everybody knows what we're talking about, this

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<v Speaker 4>being on something else by the time this comes out tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, that's uh, oh, the great Senator John Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>of Louisiana said, uh, what did he say? Schumer doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make the same mistake twice, He usually makes the same

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<v Speaker 1>mistake five or six times. Look yeah, for people who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear I'm usually chiding you about this is uh. First,

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate Democrats said they were going to block the

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<v Speaker 1>continuing Resolution that they passed the House, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a nothing burger, except the House did

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<v Speaker 1>stick in some things that point the error in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>Not huge.

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<v Speaker 1>But but the Democrats said they just want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>they want to slow Trump down, so let's shut down

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<v Speaker 1>the government. And I raised the point on Twitter, would

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<v Speaker 1>you like to be among the hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>employees told to stay home that are furloughed, that you

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<v Speaker 1>are not essentral when Doge is watching.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this. I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the terror, the lemma that occurred Democrats was

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, it was shut down to government. We

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<v Speaker 1>just made Elon Musk's job a whole lot easier than

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<v Speaker 1>They're terrified of that, and they don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>blamed for government shutdown. I think I said it here,

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<v Speaker 1>I said it somewhere recently that the real sign of

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<v Speaker 1>political realignment or the tectonic place shifting. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>said here last week is when you made the other

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<v Speaker 1>party move your direction and I thought, oh, Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>going to take the most self defeating move of Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a government shutdown, and Schumer was going to

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<v Speaker 1>get blamed for it. Republicans were already out with the

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<v Speaker 1>message that it was going to be Schumer's shut down,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great alliteration, and so he caved. And now

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats are fighting amongst themselves supposedly at a caucus

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<v Speaker 1>meeting Wednesday or Thursday. You could hear them yelling at

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<v Speaker 1>each other outside in the hallway, so it's lovely to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>And the continuing Resolution passed late Friday afternoon. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the details, life is too short, but I

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<v Speaker 1>do gather that our team has stuck in some spending cuts,

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<v Speaker 1>some spending increases in the right places, and some other

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<v Speaker 1>conditions that, as I say, represent a sign that finally

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans know how to play this game.

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<v Speaker 4>So there they did first step.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think, John, Well, One thing I think

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<v Speaker 3>is interesting is that I haven't seen anyone really comment

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<v Speaker 3>on it yet, is this might actually help the Doge

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<v Speaker 3>Musk effort a great deal, because remember the fight over

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<v Speaker 3>impoundment that we talked about two weeks ago or last

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<v Speaker 3>week depends exactly on how an appropriation is written. Remember,

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<v Speaker 3>in the fact the time of the founding Congress would

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<v Speaker 3>just say the president can spend up to one million

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<v Speaker 3>dollars on these things. So it was a ceiling, and

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<v Speaker 3>so presidents of course would say, Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>spend five hundred thousand and save them money. So Congress,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the modern Congress tries to get around that

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<v Speaker 3>by saying, we're gonna Setspacific targets and then we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to issue these committee reports and statues have long lists

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<v Speaker 3>of what you have to spend it on. Continued resolution

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<v Speaker 3>you know, appropriation. This actually might be the opening of

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<v Speaker 4>So just out of curiosity, you're going to kill me

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<v Speaker 4>for this, Steve, and he's probably going to make me

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<v Speaker 4>cut this from the Oh. But what you bring up is,

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<v Speaker 4>challenge say Humphreys Executor and some other things. My question

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<v Speaker 4>the legislation has been passed, otherwise known as the legislative

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<v Speaker 4>veto at the committee level. Even though in I ins

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<v Speaker 4>that the legislative veto is unconstitutional. Congress engages in it

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<v Speaker 4>all the time is there. Do you think a reason

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<v Speaker 4>in all of this for that to be re challenged

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<v Speaker 4>and have the Supreme Court say, if it was good

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<v Speaker 4>congressional committees, lobbyists and agencies, you know, as political scientists

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<v Speaker 4>learn about those things. Are you following anything I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think it's a shot issue because some

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<v Speaker 3>of the statutes, you know, specify what should be spent

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<v Speaker 3>and then in the committee reports. You're quite right under

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<v Speaker 3>chata they have no legal authority because they're never passed

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<v Speaker 3>by the President. But agencies pay a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you're quite right that what DOSE is doing,

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<v Speaker 3>and we know what they're doing. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>whether it would cause the Supreme Court to have to

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<v Speaker 3>interesting thing about Chada and the legislative veto is that

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<v Speaker 3>even though they're struck down in Shada, apparently Congress keeps

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<v Speaker 4>Is there what's different? Is it fair for me to

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<v Speaker 4>say what's different here is you've actually changed the incentives

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<v Speaker 4>the whole equation. You've changed the incentives for them not

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<v Speaker 4>what I took away from what your discussion of the

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<v Speaker 4>continuing resolution, not just that the mechanism itself has made

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<v Speaker 4>that incestuous relationship, but it's it's created the possibility in

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<v Speaker 3>Insane I think with I think with independent agencies, with Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's another that's a I think separate question,

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<v Speaker 3>SCC one hundred million dollars and the FCC, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>organized to be independent of the present, just wants to

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<v Speaker 3>spend all the money and won't listen to omb about it,

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<v Speaker 3>won't listen to the White House about cutting spending or employees.

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<v Speaker 3>So a different track, you know, which actually might be

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<v Speaker 3>the first one to get the Supreme Court of Cases, is,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that solves the spending issue there. Okay, I really.

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<v Speaker 4>Went too much into the weeds, and I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 4>up frequently. But we'll move on, and I want to

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<v Speaker 4>make one quick comment and ask for one quick comment

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<v Speaker 4>from you guys about the imploding Democrats imploding because they

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<v Speaker 4>have no message, they have no idea how to resist Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all either dying or resigning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of morbid.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really mean it to be that way. I

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<v Speaker 4>knew nothing about the guy who replays Sheila Jackson Lee.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say that I cried big tears when she died.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know anything about the guy who replaced from Houston.

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<v Speaker 4>But I despised rage Rahalva for a whole variety of reasons,

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<v Speaker 4>after Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>At one point he went after Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Ago, Oh well, so Ruy Grialva, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you saying his name? He sent letters to I think

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<v Speaker 2>We're in the pay of the Cooke Foundation. So it

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<v Speaker 1>It was Roger Pielke, junior at the University of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Pepperdine at that time ten years ago. David

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<v Speaker 2>And the answer in every case was no.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm so disappointed. I would have respected you more

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<v Speaker 3>if you were in the pay of the Coke brother

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of small grants from them way back.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen nineties, but it never at a I.

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<v Speaker 1>And but the problem was is that by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't even a chairman. He had no authority to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh it uh at Pepperdine, they're very nice

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<v Speaker 1>And the Malibu Times, the local paper there, they had

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<v Speaker 3>I called up reporter never next to the youth surfboard ads.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The reporter never called me normally competent reporting as you'd

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<v Speaker 1>you realize there's a ranking member. There's no investigation here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a dumb ass back bench congressman sending a

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<v Speaker 1>the university said, oh, we like to get along with

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<v Speaker 1>was anyway and nothing. Of course, nothing happened. All it

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, he's terrible in a lot of ways, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But but I've ever since that episode, Steve, he's been

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<v Speaker 4>on my list. So yeah, but it's not just Gene

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<v Speaker 4>what's her name from New Hampshire has decided, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, so Democrats are seeing the writing on the wall.

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<v Speaker 4>At least in twenty twenty six. The polls show that

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<v Speaker 4>to go into that. I think we just have to

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<v Speaker 4>before we go on to discuss I hope you're gonna.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think most of our listeners are subscribing

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<v Speaker 4>to your substack, Steve, but you should link to your

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<v Speaker 4>article anyway about Trump and Putin and I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>something about the Soviet Union, this or that John wants

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<v Speaker 2>Did you want to be on my article? What's on

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<v Speaker 2>John's mind? That's you're just supposed to ask, Lucretia, tell what's.

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<v Speaker 4>On your mind about Steve's article?

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, Steve actually wants everyone to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I put it, put it out in public,

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, Uh, go ahead, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't want to. I don't want to unfairly summarize your article,

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<v Speaker 3>very to the point. And Steve makes the argument that

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<v Speaker 3>just like we're seeing this renewed assault on progressivism domestically,

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<v Speaker 3>which we associate with Wicher Wilson in the administrative state,

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<v Speaker 3>we are also witnessing an assault on Wilsonian progressivism globally,

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<v Speaker 3>of foreign affairs. And that's actually what most people think

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<v Speaker 3>of when they hear Wilsonianism, right. They think of the

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<v Speaker 3>idea that moral value should guide our foreign policy, not realism.

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<v Speaker 4>Democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, open covenants openly arrived at international organizations like the

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<v Speaker 3>League of Nations banning the banning all war and the

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<v Speaker 2>So is that fair, Steve Well, yeah, that's part one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a two part series. But look at

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<v Speaker 1>what I was doing, was I was pushing back against

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<v Speaker 2>Was another Munich.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Munich nineteen thirty eight, you know, and the

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<v Speaker 1>I did is I commented he saying, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Munich thirty eight, and that was Winston Churchill, who really

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<v Speaker 1>said implicitly Woodrow Wilson was a disaster and we should

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<v Speaker 2>Out of World War One.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that Trump is working on that line.

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<v Speaker 1>The sequel is when I said, but there is another

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<v Speaker 1>because I championed your sparring partner, the late Angelo Codevilla.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and then you said that it has been a

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<v Speaker 3>mistake to follow with Sonianism. That was Sonium has been

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so, but but well sorry, go ahead, but

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of pushing back a little on the Cretia,

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<v Speaker 1>although it was maybe not obvious in the peace, and

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<v Speaker 1>she found it boring, which means I succeeded in escaping

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<v Speaker 1>her steely gaze. Now, look, there's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people like Tucker Carlson, this a very interesting guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Millerman, who I respect a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But they've been saying Putin's not such.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a bad guy, and really Russia's territorial claims on

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Ukraine have some historical legitimacy. There's some truth

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<v Speaker 1>in that latter part, I think. But what I decided

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<v Speaker 1>to do was saying, let's not go down that road.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a mistake. I think Putin is a

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<v Speaker 1>thug and not to be trusted. That doesn't mean Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is not doing the right thing and what he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and that we shouldn't deal with Putin.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, let's be clear on what we're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>But then even more so, since I think Lucretia is

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<v Speaker 1>completely contemptuous of Ukraine. I quoted our late friend Angelo Codevilla,

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<v Speaker 1>who said it surprised me. He said that Ukraine's independence

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<v Speaker 1>and i'll quote him here is very much a US interest,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is beyond our capacity to secure.

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<v Speaker 2>And then his book, his.

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<v Speaker 1>Last book, published posthumously, said here's how John Quincy Adams

447
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<v Speaker 1>thought about these questions two hundred years ago, and what

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<v Speaker 1>he thought then is just as valid today. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that book, as I understand it, was commissioned

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<v Speaker 1>by the first Trump administration saying, would you send us

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<v Speaker 1>some extended thought to give some coherence on an America

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<v Speaker 1>first foreign policy? And this book is what Angelo came

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<v Speaker 1>up with, and I actually think to a large extent

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<v Speaker 1>it explains the deep background of what Trump is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>The first piece was just to add a second dimension

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<v Speaker 1>of things, and I think it.

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<v Speaker 2>Bothered you, So yeah, I didn't like it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I bothered you, of course, you didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, So one thing I loved Angelo, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I got to say in the summers at the Claremont

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<v Speaker 3>Institute fellowship programs usually Angelo and I would have a

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<v Speaker 3>debate for the fellows every summer because I you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on the original, original gangster neocon right, I'm og

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<v Speaker 3>n C and Angelo. I don't know what Angelo is,

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<v Speaker 3>but he doesn't really fit neatly into any of the

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<v Speaker 3>traditional boxes about American formulations. But if I could summarize

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<v Speaker 3>what I think his view is, and I think you

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<v Speaker 3>adopt his view, but I think it is mistaken, is

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<v Speaker 3>that he thinks that a country's form policy is really

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<v Speaker 3>driven by the nature of its domestic political regime. He

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<v Speaker 3>sees them as a continuum different And this goes back

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<v Speaker 3>to I mean, if you want to again, this goes

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<v Speaker 3>back to people who debate the right the Peloponnesian were right.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Sparta versus Athens. Was it in their nature?

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<v Speaker 3>It was in the nature of Athens to be expansionist

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<v Speaker 3>and aggressive because of the nature of commercial what we

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<v Speaker 3>would call today a sort of commercial democracy or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And where the Spartans who were right that tyranny. As

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<v Speaker 3>far as I can tell built on you know, slaveocracy

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<v Speaker 3>by nature passive and peace loving, which is not actually

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<v Speaker 3>how I would describe, for example, our version of the Confederacy.

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<v Speaker 3>But so Angelo thinks that, uh, you know, the domestic

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<v Speaker 3>regime and the international foreign policy cannot be detached. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not sure that's correct. Most I think international relations scholars

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that's true. You know, I was saying last time,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a great philosopher, theorist of international relations, Michael Waltz,

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<v Speaker 3>who might I'm sorry, Ken Waltz, who might have been

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<v Speaker 3>one of the greatest or of the great and he

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<v Speaker 3>wrote a growth book called The Man State and War,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, if you break down all the complaints

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<v Speaker 3>about why there's war, some people say has to do

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<v Speaker 3>with man. Right, the very same argument Angela is making

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<v Speaker 3>about regimes could be made about mankind. You could just

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<v Speaker 3>say men are always gonna go into war because it's

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<v Speaker 3>their nature. Or then people say, oh, well, we love men.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be the states, right, it could be because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is a version of the Bush administration theory. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>if we could just turn everyone into democracies, then they

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<v Speaker 3>won't be so warlike. But Waltz's argument that it's the

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<v Speaker 3>nature of the system that causes war because we're we

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<v Speaker 3>live in an anarchy. We live in a system of

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<v Speaker 3>very national anarchy where countries can't trust each other and

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<v Speaker 3>they always have to in the end look out for

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<v Speaker 3>themselves for their own security. That's what breeds essentially instability

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<v Speaker 3>and war. It doesn't have to do with domestic regimes

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<v Speaker 3>the way Angelo thinks, but I you know, Angelo is

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<v Speaker 3>coming from this, you know this, reading a few cities.

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<v Speaker 3>This one. My second problem is that I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>Wilsonianism has really governed our foreign policy clearly for all

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<v Speaker 3>that long. I think America has been quite realist quite

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<v Speaker 3>often throughout our history, particularly the twentieth and twenty first century,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're not going around to Africa and Latin America

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<v Speaker 3>is saving all the people there, which I would think

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<v Speaker 3>Willsonian Wilsonians was, I think, how many lives could we save?

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<v Speaker 3>How many lives can we improve with the great moral

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<v Speaker 3>force and military? The United States, I mean maybe Clinton

519
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<v Speaker 3>for a few years tried it, but I think actually

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<v Speaker 3>the United States had been pretty coldly realist in the

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<v Speaker 3>way it's conducted itself since I think World War One,

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<v Speaker 3>World War two, and the Cold War were pretty realist enterprises.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't think there's this wilsonianism to go abroad

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<v Speaker 3>to slay Steve to quote your quote of Angelo's quote

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<v Speaker 3>of John Quincy Adams, who's.

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<v Speaker 1>Being naw okay, that's all I will say.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a more important point, But I want to

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<v Speaker 4>go back to something John said really quickly, and that is,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, you can't. I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 4>make a continuum from the time of Woodrow Wilson to

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<v Speaker 4>where we are today and say that there's somehow just

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<v Speaker 4>been nothing but realist foreign policy. What I would do

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<v Speaker 4>is look at recent foreign policy, because that's all that

534
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<v Speaker 4>really matters. And I don't see that as being Wilsonian

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<v Speaker 4>in the way you describe it, because I think, like

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<v Speaker 4>everything else about progressivism, Wilsonian, progressive international foreign policy, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you want to call it, has also morphed into I

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<v Speaker 4>find it. The easiest way to describe it is it's

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<v Speaker 4>a secular religion where the Jake Sullivans of the world

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<v Speaker 4>just want to feel guilty about first world prosperity, first

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<v Speaker 4>world success, and they want to punish others for they

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<v Speaker 4>want to punish us. I guess is the right way

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<v Speaker 4>to put it, but not themselves necessarily, because they want

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<v Speaker 4>to be above it all. We need to be punished,

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<v Speaker 4>and we need to be much more like the third world.

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<v Speaker 4>Rather than us going to help the third world, Let's

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<v Speaker 4>just make America more like the third world, which is why,

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<v Speaker 4>of course they opened up the borders and let in

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<v Speaker 4>every third world excuse the expression x whole country, refugees, etcetera, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 4>into the United States, so that we could become like

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<v Speaker 4>Haiti and like Venezuela and like all those other god

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<v Speaker 4>forsaken places. That way, we don't have to feel guilty

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<v Speaker 4>about enjoying our success. And of course it's not them,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's always you know, the poor, middle, lower class

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<v Speaker 4>Americans in Ohio that have to suffer this. That's what

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<v Speaker 4>I think explains foreign policy for the last twenty years,

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<v Speaker 4>especially under Obama, and is in his ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Take over this. Yeah, but Lucretia, don't leave out George W. Book.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, remember that second dress, well, that declaration and

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<v Speaker 1>the second Inaugural Address that it is now that what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm paraphrasing, it is now.

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<v Speaker 2>The mission the United States and the tyranny.

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<v Speaker 1>In the world and we want to spread democracy and

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<v Speaker 1>freedom to the whole world. That speech, I'm sure was

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<v Speaker 1>written for him by the late Michael Gerson, who I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't stand for his sanctimonious never mind, I'll just stop

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<v Speaker 1>there because he has passed away. But that I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine a more unconservative thought. And then, John, look, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Agree that that speech went too far.

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<v Speaker 1>In Oh, by God and by the way, to their credit,

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<v Speaker 1>National Review, and I think it was where Meshperneuru with

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<v Speaker 1>the byline said that was insane at the time. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for all the shade that some people throw

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<v Speaker 1>at National Review, I'll put it that way. Look, John,

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<v Speaker 1>we can argue a long time and it would take

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<v Speaker 1>the whole show and be on. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>about exactly how you do the spectrum of realism to

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<v Speaker 1>Willsonian internationalism and various places at times the timeline well,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to mention one fact, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right, which is a seven hundred million dollar embassy

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<v Speaker 1>compound in Kabul that was part of our State Department's.

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<v Speaker 2>Design for what we should do after nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>I think our embassy compound in Bagda is one point

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<v Speaker 1>one billion dollars. That's more than just the extravagance of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking there's no money is no object. But it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>clear to me that when the State Department and our

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<v Speaker 1>foreign policy planners sign off on something that extravagant, it

589
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<v Speaker 1>shows that they had no intention of really leaving Afghanistan

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<v Speaker 1>or standing up a stable regime of whatever kind that

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<v Speaker 1>they intended. That their view was that place could not

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<v Speaker 1>exist without our active and close supervision and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of our money.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do they care about that place and say not?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, all over the world, Christians are being massacred,

597
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<v Speaker 4>Wigers are being massacred. Why do we care about Taboul?

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<v Speaker 4>Why do we care about any of those places? We

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<v Speaker 4>don't care about Syria now anymore, we don't care about Nigeria,

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<v Speaker 4>We don't care about all of those places that are

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<v Speaker 4>they really are you know, just oh Westerners about Palestine

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<v Speaker 4>and it becomes Palestine.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, the reason there is because their budget isn't

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<v Speaker 1>big enough, or they wouldn't care about.

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<v Speaker 2>Every one of those places. No, I think that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that's true. By the way, why do

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<v Speaker 2>you care about Palestine for the same reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because you have a loud and active political lobby domestically.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about John.

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<v Speaker 4>Why, That's what I'm trying to get at. You guys

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<v Speaker 4>are missing the point. Palestine what a joke, The fact

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<v Speaker 4>that that that anybody takes Palestine seriously. It's a manufactured

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<v Speaker 4>crisis to feed their secularized guilt that they love to

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<v Speaker 4>wallow in, because guilt is in fact the greatest self

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<v Speaker 4>indulgent human emotion there is.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But the New York Times is going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it every day, and that's what the State Department loves,

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<v Speaker 1>and they feed off of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But again, why, I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying what they do, That's what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not a good enough psychologist to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you why. We'll have to ask John's mom for help

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<v Speaker 1>on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>She probably pays by the hour. But I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to point I wasn't making the claim that the United

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<v Speaker 3>States has always pursued realism. I think Israel is a

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<v Speaker 3>good example. It's not necessarily the case. Israel is the

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<v Speaker 3>right if you are being really cold about it, whether

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<v Speaker 3>Israel is the country we would want to support, or

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<v Speaker 3>we'd even spend a lot of time on the Middle

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<v Speaker 3>East now that where energy is self sufficient, but we

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<v Speaker 3>still do and I'm glad we support Israel and it's

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<v Speaker 3>one of our closest allies. But I think it is

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<v Speaker 3>because of that, is because of a Wilsonian instinct. I think,

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<v Speaker 3>because we do love their country and the democracy and

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<v Speaker 3>the economy that they've built, and we you know, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's the Holy Land. That shouldn't that should not matter

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<v Speaker 3>to a realist.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, John, When I was back many thousands of years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>when I was an undergraduate in my National Security studies

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<v Speaker 4>course was taught by a retired admiral and I remember,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, he claimed to be at least a Republican.

646
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<v Speaker 4>He was probably very much a Rhino. But anyway, and

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<v Speaker 4>I remember him saying, and being so confused about it

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, what why is it that Republicans have

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<v Speaker 4>this obsession about Israel? What do we get from Israel?

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<v Speaker 4>We don't give a damn about oranges and that's all

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<v Speaker 4>they have to offer. I just had anecdote.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's actually I heard that's an old one, But John,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we did treat Israel with indifferent But I've

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<v Speaker 1>also I heard that from a lot of friends of

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<v Speaker 1>mine skeptical about our ties to Israel over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were indifferent to Israel in the forties and fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes even hostile through the sixties, right, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think John, it's not will Sony internationalism

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<v Speaker 1>that weds us to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's we have slowly woken up to.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that they are an outpost of Western civilization

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<v Speaker 1>in a place that needs it the most.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's that's my view, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying, that's not realism, right, That's not the

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<v Speaker 3>cold calculation of what's in our national security interests. It's

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<v Speaker 3>that's a cause, which is fine. I'm glad we do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't want our nation to be coldly realist,

668
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<v Speaker 3>but I think it is way more realist than people

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<v Speaker 3>give it. I mean, that's what people accuse the United

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<v Speaker 3>States of all the time, and clearly that we are,

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<v Speaker 3>you know we are. The United States does pursue with

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<v Speaker 3>self interest pretty vigorously, But we use their rhetoric of

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson to palliate is around the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't it possible to use the rhetoric of our exceptionalism

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<v Speaker 4>and that in so far as our founding principles are

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<v Speaker 4>built upon a fundamental view of human nature, which applies,

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<v Speaker 4>in the words of Abraham Lincoln, to all men at

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<v Speaker 4>all times, that there is a certain obligation within limits,

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<v Speaker 4>within prudential limits, John Uh, whatever that means, to recognize

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<v Speaker 4>those countries and those peoples who are pursuing the same,

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<v Speaker 4>the same set of principles roughly defined. I think that

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<v Speaker 4>that's a fair thing, and that doesn't necessarily fly in

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<v Speaker 4>the face of realism, because those people tend to be

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<v Speaker 4>allies as opposed to enemies, and reliable allies in many cases,

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<v Speaker 4>as opposed to enemies, at least until Europe became what

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<v Speaker 4>Europe is now, and we don't we consider them what

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<v Speaker 4>not allies anymore. And I won't go there. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>move on. So, John, you have been in fact the media, Darling.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm seeing you everywhere and I'm loving it because it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's a very happy thing for me to turn on

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<v Speaker 4>the radio Fox News on my radio, or turn on

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<v Speaker 4>the TV, or go to look up an article about

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<v Speaker 4>something Steve sends me and what do I see your

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<v Speaker 4>face talking about it? Oh, it's lovely. I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, you have been busy this week. Tell us

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about what you talked about on your

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<v Speaker 4>show with John at excuse me, with Steve Bannon is

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<v Speaker 4>called war Room.

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<v Speaker 3>War Room. Yeah, I mean, isn't it fair to say

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<v Speaker 3>that's like the leading mega podcast in the country.

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<v Speaker 4>I never saw it before.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I mean I can't. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know in terms of numbers, but

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of influence, it's constantly being quoted what Bannon

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<v Speaker 3>said this. Bannon said that on war Rooms. I mean,

706
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<v Speaker 3>he drives the mainstream media crazy that show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But I only broke down and said yes when I

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<v Speaker 3>saw that. You know, the Governor Newsom had had Bannon on.

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<v Speaker 2>His show, right, I know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is also interesting to talk about what the Newsom

712
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<v Speaker 3>has been saying and trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I thought, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought the show had this reputation for being bruskin combative.

715
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<v Speaker 3>But actually we got into a pretty good discussion of

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<v Speaker 3>Article two of the Constitution and the presidency and the

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00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 3>lawsuits been filed against President Trump's various executive orders and

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<v Speaker 3>what I thought was going to happen. Bannon did not

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<v Speaker 3>call for the impeachment of Amy Cony, Barrett or any

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<v Speaker 3>other judges, and I think we call me discussed how

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00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 3>President Trump was setting up these test cases to challenge

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<v Speaker 3>these Watergate post Watergate laws that I think constitutionally tied

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<v Speaker 3>down the executive power, and how I think the Supreme

724
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<v Speaker 3>Court would probably rule in Trump's favor on several of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them we've talked about on the show, like

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<v Speaker 3>the removal power, some parts of the power to impound

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<v Speaker 3>parts of the power, for example, to say no DEI

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<v Speaker 3>in the government and no DEI by government contractors and

729
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<v Speaker 3>so on. I thought I was going to get there

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<v Speaker 3>in the war room and I would find Lucretia already

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<v Speaker 3>there with like an honorary seat. But I didn't see her.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so disappointed.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I've been superseded by Natalie Winters, who, by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>was a Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, I didn't know that. Okay, cool, They get

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<v Speaker 1>all the best people, Uh yeah. But what caught my eye,

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<v Speaker 1>John was less that than your article out on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News here Sunday morning. And I hope, unlike last week,

739
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<v Speaker 1>he won't be behind the paywall. Maybe it will maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>And they got to pay the big bucks Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I guess maybe that's it. Uh So.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, look, you're your article with your co author,

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<v Speaker 1>frequent co author Robert Della Hunty says, there's no constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>crisis here.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you go through a very nice history of these

748
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<v Speaker 1>constitutional controversies over executive power going back to the founding

749
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<v Speaker 1>and you mentioned Jackson's veto the Second National Bank. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know Trump being compared to Nixon and

751
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<v Speaker 1>so forth.

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00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Perfectly solid article.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and then culminating with a challenging Humphrey's executor and

754
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<v Speaker 1>upholding Trump's power to fire people in the executive branch. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so far, so good, two little nitpicks.

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<v Speaker 3>And and just the point was what we're going through

757
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<v Speaker 3>now doesn't come close to any of these historical which

758
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<v Speaker 3>everyone should agree with, constitutional crises.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree completely. Take that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the new that's the new tagline for the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, well, I agree with everything, John says.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, except that have gone further. That's that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I try and figure out here. By the way, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're supposed to say, John, is we agree with

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<v Speaker 1>Lucretia or Lucretia was right. Isn't that the Okay, I'm told.

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<v Speaker 4>Steve are you, I don't interrupt, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>bring one little point into your soliloquy.

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<v Speaker 2>There, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just gonna say the one thing I was

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<v Speaker 4>a little surprised you didn't make the point stronger, was

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<v Speaker 4>that the actual constitutional crisis is what has happened to

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<v Speaker 4>our separation of powers, to to our federal government in general.

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<v Speaker 4>It has been a legitimate constitutional crisis. Probably the mundane

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<v Speaker 4>best example of illustrating that is the it's a danger

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saving our democracy trademark. The fact that we have

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<v Speaker 4>somehow convinced the entire country that we're in a democracy,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, defined as you know, the left is in power.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a constitutional crisis. The fact that our most

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<v Speaker 4>you know, even intelligent people. You you actually in your

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<v Speaker 4>article list, I forget a thousand law professors, said a

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<v Speaker 4>thousand law professors. I mean, of course, they don't expect

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<v Speaker 4>law professors, besides you, to understand anything about the constitution,

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<v Speaker 4>especially not constitutional law professors. But the idea that that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they can't put their parties in politics aside

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<v Speaker 4>long enough to recognize the importance of the presidency in

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<v Speaker 4>the separation of powers, the importance of the presidency, as

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<v Speaker 4>you put it very clearly, that energy and the exis

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<v Speaker 4>executive is the very definition of good government, all of

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<v Speaker 4>those things. The constitutional crisis is not what they say

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<v Speaker 4>it is. It's that they are calling what's happening a

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<v Speaker 4>constitutional crisis. That's, to me is a huge problem. And

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<v Speaker 4>whether Trump put on that is iffy.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really want to if you really want to

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<v Speaker 1>send the legal Professoriat into a total panic that we're

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<v Speaker 1>having a constitutional crisis, it wouldn't be about whether there's

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<v Speaker 1>a threat to Humphrey's executor. Can I just share with

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<v Speaker 1>you briefly a few lines usually overlooked from Franklin Roosevelt's

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<v Speaker 1>first inaugural address, And here's this Tordiendas, the part that

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<v Speaker 1>never gets quoted. He said this, it is to be

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<v Speaker 1>hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority

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<v Speaker 1>may be wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us.

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<v Speaker 1>But it may be that an unprecedented demand and need

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<v Speaker 1>for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from the

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<v Speaker 1>normal balance of public procedure. And then he goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I'm gonna recommend stuff to Congress. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and ask them to adopt things speedy. But if they

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<v Speaker 1>don't to continually.

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<v Speaker 2>Says, then.

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<v Speaker 1>I shall not evade the clear course of duty that

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<v Speaker 1>will then confront me. I shall ask Congress for the

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<v Speaker 1>one remaining instrument to meet the crisis, broad executive power

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<v Speaker 1>to wage war against the emergency, as great as the

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<v Speaker 1>power that would be given.

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<v Speaker 2>To me if I were in fact invaded by a

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<v Speaker 2>foreign foe. End quote. Put those words in Trump's mouth

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<v Speaker 2>that his inaugural address, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Liberals would be absolutely going berserk out of their mind,

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<v Speaker 1>And so would I.

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<v Speaker 4>You would, well, that is not what Trump is doing,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think are absolutely clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Well okay I I, well, okay, I could go along

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<v Speaker 1>with that. I think we agree as usual by different paths.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's why, Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's but John made that that very same point that

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<v Speaker 4>they're they're hypocrites, that it's not about looking at the

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<v Speaker 4>actual article to assignment of power to the executive and

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<v Speaker 4>what exactly that means, and theoretically understanding executive power, understanding

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<v Speaker 4>the separation of powers, understanding checks and balances. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>about any of that. It's about pure naked partisanship. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't like Trump. They like big government because they have

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<v Speaker 4>fed at the public trough. And it's not a constitutional

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<v Speaker 4>crisis except that those people have way too much power,

834
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<v Speaker 4>and that's the crisis. Yeah, they teach our law students.

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<v Speaker 4>John can't teach all the students in all the law

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<v Speaker 4>schools and get them on the straight and narrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we could, We could put that in the Constitution

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<v Speaker 2>as a requirement.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that's that's called involuntary servitude.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Amendment point about one. Let's point about this that came

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<v Speaker 3>to mind because of what Lucretius said is and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that helps why the Democrats, as we started talking about,

844
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<v Speaker 3>are in such a state of depression. They don't know

845
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 3>what to do. They're flailing, they have no agenda there

846
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, they're infighting. I love the talk in the

847
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 3>papers to that AOC may running the primary against Schumer.

848
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

849
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 3>But part of it is if you make your whole

850
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:21.000
<v Speaker 3>campaign about democracy, democracy, democracy, and the people reject you

851
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 3>in the elections, you have no form. And in fact,

852
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 3>now what they're doing is they're you know, HAIDI, behind

853
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 3>the most non democratic features of the constitution to put

854
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 3>up any defense. Right, they're going straight to court the

855
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.920
<v Speaker 3>least democratic branch, and they are their future depends on

856
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 3>the filipbuster. Right. They're they're, they're, they're, they're. They should

857
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 3>be glad that democracy did not advance the last four

858
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 3>years the way they wanted it to.

859
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Harry Reid very much.

860
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:52.840
<v Speaker 1>These days, oh well, oh well, Harry Reid and Joe

861
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Biden are gonna inhabit a Democrats circle of you know,

862
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 1>the ninth Circle of Purgatory and Dante or something.

863
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.639
<v Speaker 2>It's uh, they're going to be so hated in retrospect.

864
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.239
<v Speaker 1>But can I can I just add two quick observations, John,

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00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>There's some subtleties in the article, and I don't know

866
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 1>if you intended them or not, But the first is

867
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 1>your paragraph about it subtle.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's subtle, then no.

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00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well I don't know, I'll make them. Yeah.

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00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, look in your paragraph about Jackson vetoing the Second

871
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Bank of the United States. He was constitutionally correct, but

872
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.199
<v Speaker 1>you say at the end of the sentence, uh, Jackson

873
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>took all the federal funds in the bank and triggered

874
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 1>a financial panic. It was sound constitutionally and it was

875
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>an economic disaster. And I just say and Lucretian is

876
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna be upset with me. That's what makes me worried

877
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 1>about Trump and tariffs is this.

878
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:47.119
<v Speaker 3>Could I agree with you? That was actually on purpose? Yeah,

879
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 3>that was I wondered.

880
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 1>If you were sort of hinting at that in a way,

881
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>and so you have to treat those things separately.

882
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.079
<v Speaker 2>But then second, the other one I liked.

883
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.199
<v Speaker 4>Was, can I respond to that before you go on sure,

884
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 4>because it'll be lost if you go onto your second pard.

885
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.079
<v Speaker 4>I just want to say, I actually think that that's

886
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 4>consistent with my theory of executive accountability. If a president

887
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:16.280
<v Speaker 4>takes a perfectly constitutional action and maybe you know, stretches

888
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 4>the boundaries a bit, but that's again perfectly constitutional. What

889
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 4>is it? What are the ramifications? What checks are there

890
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 4>on that exercise of power? Failure, whether it be economic

891
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.440
<v Speaker 4>failure or military failure or foreign policy failure, whatever it

892
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 4>might be, causes that political check and holds the president accountable.

893
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't think anybody should discount the idea that when

894
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:48.039
<v Speaker 4>you act with dispatch and energy and all of those

895
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 4>nice things, you better damn hope you're right, because when

896
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 4>you do all of those things, you are putting yourself

897
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 4>out there and you will be judged by the success

898
00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 4>of those actions. Does that make sense?

899
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, right, No, it's perfectly fine. Yeah, and and

900
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.599
<v Speaker 1>good for Trump for you know, going where nobody would

901
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.280
<v Speaker 1>have gone before so and so many.

902
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 3>Steve, I totally agree with Steve. I mean, I agree

903
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.079
<v Speaker 3>with both of you. I think, LUCRITI, you're completely right.

904
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:17.840
<v Speaker 3>The benefit of you know, the executive branch, the way

905
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 3>we think it should be is that if Trump screws

906
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.000
<v Speaker 3>up the economy through tarifs, and every people will know

907
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:23.960
<v Speaker 3>who's responsible.

908
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

909
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 3>I also have to agree with Steve. I think economically

910
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 3>these policies don't make any sense.

911
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it depends, but let's save that for

912
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 1>another time because it takes a while.

913
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 3>But well, my my f one K wants to have

914
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.320
<v Speaker 3>a conversation with you, Heyward.

915
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Well I'm just only if you're a four on K

916
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.559
<v Speaker 2>is an idiot, But I'll leave that aside too.

917
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 3>That's because I'm not buying gold like Steve.

918
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.639
<v Speaker 2>No, Well, it's down, it's a good thank god.

919
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

920
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, my second observation, John is of another subtlety here.

921
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>So when you do the comparison of Trump with Nixon,

922
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and there's a sentence that says Watergate, by contrast, arose

923
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.199
<v Speaker 1>from the Nixon re election campaigns, dirty tricks and the

924
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 1>White House's obstruction of justice that allegedly followed. By the way,

925
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>if you hadn't dropped the allegedly in there, I was

926
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 1>gonna be very angry. And it's like, oh, aren't you

927
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.239
<v Speaker 1>guys great?

928
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I might might, I might even quarrel with dirty tricks.

929
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was some silly stuff in New Hampshire

930
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.719
<v Speaker 1>with you know, the Muskie campaign, but that was nothing.

931
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.519
<v Speaker 1>And and even the Watergate burglary is we still don't

932
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.920
<v Speaker 1>know what that's about. But anyway, it's, uh, why.

933
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Is important, Steve? Why is allegedly important?

934
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, well, you know, I had Jeff Shepherd on

935
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago because the entire history of Watergate,

936
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.679
<v Speaker 1>including especially the prosecution of Nixon, needs to be rewritten wholesale.

937
00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.039
<v Speaker 2>And and I think it's this year.

938
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Next year, some more files that have been closed for

939
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 1>fifty years are gonna come out, and we're gonna learn

940
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:07.960
<v Speaker 1>about how badly judged Serrica misbehaved, how badly and unethically

941
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the prosecutors behaved, and and you know, the whole campaign

942
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 1>to drive Nixon from office for the sin of humiliating

943
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 1>them in the seventy two election, and that's gonna be

944
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>one of the great revisions histories of all time. And

945
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:22.960
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, the things Nixon was trying to do,

946
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Trump is trying to do also and getting command of

947
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 1>the government. And Trump looks like he's going to succeed

948
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.039
<v Speaker 1>where Nixon was stymy by a fake scandal.

949
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<v Speaker 2>That's all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I just want the record to show. I just

951
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 3>want the record to show that anticipating that Steve would

952
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 3>give me a hard time caused me to change one

953
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 3>word in my article. I added that word allegedly because

954
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.119
<v Speaker 3>I thought about that. I say, oh, if I don't

955
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.239
<v Speaker 3>put in allegedly, Heyward's gonna give me a heart than

956
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.480
<v Speaker 3>today because you've been handing me about how watergates this

957
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 3>made up scandal. I'm still waiting to see the evidence

958
00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:58.679
<v Speaker 3>all come out.

959
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Read Jeff Shepherd's books. They're they're very good, They're.

960
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Very I listened to that episodes. I've heard him. Yeah,

961
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.800
<v Speaker 3>I've read some of his writing. I mean, you know,

962
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.599
<v Speaker 3>whether there was this is the question I have is

963
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.119
<v Speaker 3>whether there were ethical improprieties in the contact between church

964
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.719
<v Speaker 3>Circa and the Special Council, which is definitely should not

965
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 3>have been did Nixon The fundamental question is, really, did

966
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Nixon intend to cover up the investigation into well, I mean,

967
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 3>that's obstruction of justice. Did you know?

968
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you hear this little item that sort of blurted

969
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 1>out here a week or two ago when it was

970
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.440
<v Speaker 1>what the fiftieth anniversary of Saturday Night Live and Bill Murray,

971
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>part of the original cast, was on with I think

972
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan and he said, yeah, I started reading Bob

973
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Woodward's book about Oh come on, the Guy who Died

974
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 1>John Belushi, and he said, I was eight pages into

975
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that book reading all this nonsense, and it occurred to me,

976
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, they lied about Nixon, didn't they. You know,

977
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>so when you know they're now pennantsating popular call, a

978
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.159
<v Speaker 1>guy like Bill Murray says, oh wait a minute. These

979
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>guys lie to us and they mix stuff up. So

980
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:11.320
<v Speaker 1>that's why I say, I think, okay, I've said.

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<v Speaker 4>Before we leave this broader subject entirely, I do want

982
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.960
<v Speaker 4>to ask John really quickly. He's our go to on

983
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 4>this question every single time. So the Trump administration is

984
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.559
<v Speaker 4>now trying to get and don't let me say this wrong, John,

985
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:30.519
<v Speaker 4>the Supreme Court to consider the universal injunction on the

986
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 4>birthright citizenship and argue that explain it better so that

987
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't mess up on this.

988
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:40.000
<v Speaker 3>No, that's I mean, this is a looming issue. It's

989
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 3>not really it doesn't have to be the birthright citizenship

990
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 3>cases or EO that's involved. But then this is also

991
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:48.719
<v Speaker 3>some I talked about on the War Room with Bennon,

992
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:53.119
<v Speaker 3>was that a lot of Trump's eos are now being

993
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.559
<v Speaker 3>enjoined by individual district judges. There's one out here in

994
00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:01.000
<v Speaker 3>San Francisco who just ordered the administration to rehire thousands

995
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.199
<v Speaker 3>of federal employees. There's one, I think in Rhode Island.

996
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.719
<v Speaker 3>There's another one in Maryland who you have stopped. There's

997
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 3>one in Washington State.

998
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:10.719
<v Speaker 4>The transgender in the military.

999
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're all and so the basic question. And so

1000
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 3>apparently there are three district judges now who have issued

1001
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 3>injunctions against President Trump's birthright Citizenship executive order, putting the

1002
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 3>merits to that aside the government. You know, very fine

1003
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 3>lawyer actually collected for Justice Thomas as I did, and

1004
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Judie Silverman as I did. Named Sarah Harris. She's the

1005
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 3>acting Solicitor General. She's gone to the Supreme Court and said,

1006
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 3>you this regard have to answer once and for all

1007
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.360
<v Speaker 3>whether this practice of universal injunctions is actually legal or not.

1008
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 3>They could have done it in Hawaii versus Trump back

1009
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 3>in twenty eighteen, that was the travel Bank case, but

1010
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:55.400
<v Speaker 3>they chose to to they chose to not address it there.

1011
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Several of the Justices have been calling on the Court

1012
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 3>to do it because come up under both parties too.

1013
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Republican conservatives have done it to Biden and

1014
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Obama too. But I think it's an extremely important, underlying,

1015
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:14.280
<v Speaker 3>permanent issue that sits behind a lot of these a

1016
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.920
<v Speaker 3>lot of these cases, and it involves an important question

1017
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.559
<v Speaker 3>of what the proper role of the courts are. Why

1018
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 3>can't a judge tell the executive branch how to run

1019
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:29.920
<v Speaker 3>its operations nationwide when that judge only has power over

1020
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 3>a specific, usually very tiny jurisdiction.

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00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 4>Okay, it'd be interesting to see what they decide, because

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00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:41.320
<v Speaker 4>I will tell you from a layman man about town position.

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00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:48.960
<v Speaker 4>That seems to be the thing that infuriates confuses angers

1024
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 4>people the most is why can't a judge blah blah blah.

1025
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.000
<v Speaker 4>You know you know the argument. All right, I guess

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00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:59.000
<v Speaker 4>we've probably text our listener's patients long enough. I'm going

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00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 4>to move on to Babylon Bee's. Hope they're good because

1028
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 4>we know Steve's final send off is going to be

1029
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.599
<v Speaker 4>lame because it's been lame for the last month. He

1030
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 4>can't He's a little bit like the Babylon Bee. He

1031
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.400
<v Speaker 4>can't do anything good when he can't make fun of someone, right,

1032
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 4>that's the problem. So the Babylon Bee my personal favorite,

1033
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:26.880
<v Speaker 4>and I'm really hoping that this is not a satire.

1034
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 4>It's Tesla is updated with self defense mode where they

1035
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:38.519
<v Speaker 4>transform into anthropomorphic battle robots which immediately go into self

1036
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 4>defense mode and attack anybody who's attacking Tesla, And.

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00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 1>So Tesla meets Transformers in other words, yeah, yeah.

1038
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 4>Well it's practically that anyway, So it's all good.

1039
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 3>How we spawned a blockbuster, multi billion dollar movie series

1040
00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 3>out of stupid Japanese toys is beyond me.

1041
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.599
<v Speaker 4>I thought there were dumb movies, but they were very popular,

1042
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:10.159
<v Speaker 4>very popular. Are you like this one? John Asian mom

1043
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 4>disappointed son is just a regular surgeon.

1044
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 3>That's true. He should be the he should beat the sold.

1045
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.559
<v Speaker 2>But you know, that's an old Jewish mother joke, you know,

1046
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:26.519
<v Speaker 2>is that right? Yeah?

1047
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Have the archoslas to tell the joke of you know,

1048
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Cy Goldberg graduated number one in his class from Yale,

1049
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.039
<v Speaker 1>top of his class at Harvard Law School, chief Surgeon,

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00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.880
<v Speaker 1>resident of Caesar Sinai, winner of all these prizes, and

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<v Speaker 1>still a disappointment.

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<v Speaker 2>To his mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Uh, Russia says, see, this is shows I can

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<v Speaker 4>be balanced. Russia says it will agree to cease fire

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as it is done conquering Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not even anymore guys to choke. Trump announces creation

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<v Speaker 4>of strategic jd Vance meme reserve. Do you get that

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<v Speaker 4>John not being on social media? That the thing on

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<v Speaker 4>social media is taking jd Vance's face, which I think

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<v Speaker 4>works because he has those piercing blue eyes and putting

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<v Speaker 4>him into like, there's a whole set of emojis that

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<v Speaker 4>you can get with jd Vance's face in the emoji

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<v Speaker 4>memes on and on and on and and jd Vance

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<v Speaker 4>thinks it's great. He thinks it's hilarious, and of course

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<v Speaker 4>the left is thinks that you know, he's being humiliated

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<v Speaker 4>by it, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about cluely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like, are why are the mag of

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<v Speaker 1>people making fun of jd Vance?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I have I have a secret for you liberals.

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<v Speaker 2>We think it's funny. You guys wants with the problem, right.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have a sense of humor.

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<v Speaker 3>So you how.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, but how much you lose out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're missing a lot man, Yeah you're missing.

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<v Speaker 4>Federal judge appoints himself.

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<v Speaker 2>President yep, coming soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not funny. I'm sorry, They're just not funny anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Too serious Democrats. Democrats gather at the Legion of Doom

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<v Speaker 4>to strategize for midterms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not that funny.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>They said they weren't going to be funny. They said

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<v Speaker 4>they were going to shut down because everything was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be perfect under Trump, remember, and so they practically

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<v Speaker 4>have they all they really have anymore? That's funny? Are

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<v Speaker 4>there their religious ones? And I won't I won't, I

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<v Speaker 4>won't bore listeners with that. I'll leave with this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Enough is enough. Supreme Court rules First Amendment does not

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<v Speaker 4>apply to Megan Markle.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, good right, all right, John.

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<v Speaker 3>Always drink your whiskey. Meat and Steve you are going

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<v Speaker 3>to have a new tagline or are you're sticking with

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<v Speaker 3>the old one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I am going to retire the mode of the

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<v Speaker 1>last several weeks, and in light of the massive layoffs

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<v Speaker 1>taking place in the legacy media, this week's sign off

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<v Speaker 1>is slightly modified. Don't forget to milk the mass media meltdown, dividend.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye, everybody.

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<v Speaker 6>I nailed it by everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet joined the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>H