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Speaker 2: All right, so here are some headlines from this week
Speaker 2: that you would think might catch the president's eye. Oil
Speaker 2: rises to three week high, gas prices could set August
Speaker 2: record high with no progress seen on hor Mooz. Housing
Speaker 2: market is on track for its worst year since twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: US workers are paying more for healthcare and next year
Speaker 2: will be worse. Walmart posts slowest sales growth in years
Speaker 2: as Americans titan wallets. US debt hits forty trillion dollars
Speaker 2: faster than forecasters expected, and Dow falls five hundred points
Speaker 2: after Treasury plan to tamp down yields fails. Just the
Speaker 2: last couple of days, Dan, those headlines.
Speaker 3: Not great, as they say.
Speaker 2: Unclear if Donald Trump is aware of any of these headlines.
Speaker 2: I don't know if his human printer has printed them
Speaker 2: out for him. Natalie Harp, who has become rather famous.
Speaker 2: But either way, his only public events this week have
Speaker 2: been an Oval office greeting with a teenage lifeguard, an
Speaker 2: impromptu press tour of his White House renovation projects, new
Speaker 2: helipad very exciting, a meeting with crypto leaders that is,
Speaker 2: of course, the industry that has made him personally one
Speaker 2: billion dollars richer, and on Thursday, a rare appearance at
Speaker 2: a Rose Garden event with his wife, where he sat
Speaker 2: quietly while she spoke, good afternoon.
Speaker 4: I heard you missed me.
Speaker 2: Here, I am she did? She did here that we
Speaker 2: missed her. Look at that happy couple, so in love
Speaker 2: holding hands. What's their secret?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just one of the odds at
Speaker 3: this incredibly heartwarming, not at all awkward photo OPA scheduled
Speaker 3: this week in the middle of Natalie harpgate.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was a complete coincidence. And usually Donald
Speaker 2: Trump shows up at events and sits quietly and doesn't speak.
Speaker 2: Famous for that that is so so the John Osoff
Speaker 2: riff that kicked off a week of hysteria on the right.
Speaker 2: It began with the senator saying that Trump doesn't want
Speaker 2: to do the job of being president. He wants to
Speaker 2: trade stocks and build his ballroom and travel with Natalie
Speaker 2: minus the actual travel part. I kind of think this
Speaker 2: week proves his point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is watching him this week, it's just a
Speaker 3: reminder that he is a very very old, very very
Speaker 3: stubborn man who's a complete narcissist. And we've been watching
Speaker 3: him for a very very long time now, but even
Speaker 3: after watching Trump for all these years, it is still
Speaker 3: stunning to the degree that he cannot even pretend to
Speaker 3: give a shit about anyone or anything else other than
Speaker 3: the things the top of his list, which happened to
Speaker 3: be helipads, ballrooms, enriching himself.
Speaker 2: And it's like, obviously the Natalie comments sort of just
Speaker 2: touched off the drama of the week, But that was
Speaker 2: the message of Ossoff's speech there, And I think why
Speaker 2: it was so effective is because everyone can look at
Speaker 2: Donald Trump in everything that he does and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: he seems like he likes getting rich, he likes renovations,
Speaker 2: and other than that, he pops off and yells at
Speaker 2: Democrats and people who've crossed him in some way, and
Speaker 2: other than that, you don't see much of them. That's
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: I guess the whole thing comes down to the fact
Speaker 3: that there Natalie Harp is the one who controls information
Speaker 3: that goes to the president. So maybe he's unaware of
Speaker 3: everything else that's happening in the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, but just you.
Speaker 3: Would think that anyone who turned on a TV to
Speaker 3: some channel other than Fox News would see what everyone
Speaker 3: cares about, what everyone's worried about, what their political city was,
Speaker 3: and they would try to do something to address it. Instead,
Speaker 3: he just keeps digging a deeper hole on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: And one thing we've been learning this week, and some
Speaker 2: of it had been reported in the past, is that
Speaker 2: other people in Trump's orbit and in the White House
Speaker 2: and in the federal government have been a little concerned
Speaker 2: at times that Natalie Harp is his main and sometimes
Speaker 2: only source of information, and that if you want him
Speaker 2: to see a briefing memo or a story or a tweet,
Speaker 2: you have to text Natalie and she'll print it out.
Speaker 2: Which makes this the development that ms now reported just
Speaker 2: yesterday even more interesting and troubling, Natalie Harp apparently declined
Speaker 2: multiple times over more than a year to seek a
Speaker 2: routine security clearance required for most White House staffers, let
Speaker 2: alone the president's closest aid, and this apparently alarmed national
Speaker 2: security officials, Secret Service and others. Why do you think so, Dan, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, this is studying. I mean, really, if you were
Speaker 3: to pick the person that you would want to influence
Speaker 3: as some sort of foreign entity or person with the
Speaker 3: financial interest in the White House, it would be the
Speaker 3: person who controls all information of the president. By some reports,
Speaker 3: she texts with world leaders on Trump's behalf. So it's
Speaker 3: not just that she chooses which truths to put in
Speaker 3: front of him, or which tweets to print out, or
Speaker 3: which crazy things from I don't know four Chan to
Speaker 3: put in front of him. It's that she is the
Speaker 3: conduit to him. Is how you get in touch with him.
Speaker 3: She decides who he speaks to, she will type on
Speaker 3: his phone. And the fact that this person does not
Speaker 3: have the same security clearance that a White House intern
Speaker 3: needs to pass is truly indeply irresponsible.
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's any conspiracy to it. I mean,
Speaker 2: they failed to do security clearances for it's like a
Speaker 2: systemic problem in this White House for lots of the
Speaker 2: White House staff. But it is sloppy, as is everything
Speaker 2: else they do, and especially for people who are that
Speaker 2: close to the president all the time. I mean, she
Speaker 2: got on the secret plane with him, and this is
Speaker 2: someone who for a year didn't have a security clearance.
Speaker 2: And again this is like, you get to the White House,
Speaker 2: you fill out this form, it's the s F eighty six.
Speaker 2: They ask about your entire life if the FBI interviews you, like,
Speaker 2: we've all gone through this and to just be a
Speaker 2: top aid to the president, maybe his closest aid and
Speaker 2: not having done that at all is crazy.
Speaker 3: And you fill it out before you get to the
Speaker 3: White House. Yes, filling it out is one of the
Speaker 3: conditions for entering the White House for most people.
Speaker 2: And she wasn't there in the first term. Again, right,
Speaker 2: this isn't like she's a returning character. She was at
Speaker 2: oaan N.
Speaker 3: So how many ends are there? God damn it.
Speaker 2: She was at an N and he like first met
Speaker 2: her in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty or something with
Speaker 2: the convention. But anyway, so like, yeah, she came to
Speaker 2: the White House for the first time in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and just you know, just started printing tweets for him,
Speaker 2: just and that's it, nothing else, nothing else, and writing
Speaker 2: him notes that say you are all that matters to me.
Speaker 2: I want to get back to that synergy we used
Speaker 2: to have where we talk about everything and nothing. I
Speaker 2: want to bring you joy, to feel like we can
Speaker 2: get through a day without ever hav to talk work.
Speaker 2: I want things to always be right between us. Those
Speaker 2: I am just reading from notes that The New York
Speaker 2: Times obtained themselves. These are actual notes that Natalie Harp
Speaker 2: wrote to Donald Trump and left them in his personal spaces,
Speaker 2: alarming the Secret Service. These are all facts that are
Speaker 2: known that are out there.
Speaker 3: Also, once lives in a locker room so she could
Speaker 3: be closer to him because she didn't have a room
Speaker 3: in one of the Trump clubs.
Speaker 2: JVL in his newsletter he had a good take on this.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's somewhat similar to yours, right, which
Speaker 2: is he wrote. Maga responded to all this by going
Speaker 2: into high dudgeon and being outraged that Osoff would dare
Speaker 2: suggest Trump was banging his human printer. But Osoff didn't
Speaker 2: suggest that he was pointing to the much weirder, unstable,
Speaker 2: and dangerous reality. The president of the United States has
Speaker 2: an in house stocker, and he relies on this uninjured
Speaker 2: woman to an extent that is both hilarious and terrifying.
Speaker 3: There's been some reports that they refer to her as
Speaker 3: his human binkie.
Speaker 5: But I do want to you do it.
Speaker 2: Maggie Haberman has said.
Speaker 3: That which adults shouldn't need binkies.
Speaker 2: This is now, this is now the second episode. You
Speaker 2: and I have talked to You and I have talked
Speaker 2: about binkies.
Speaker 3: What do we talk We talked about we talked.
Speaker 2: About lovevies, we talked about with the Max Miller. Oh, yes,
Speaker 2: we talked about the blue Bunny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, comfort items for Yeah. But in that case we
Speaker 3: were referring to small children, not the West, the United States,
Speaker 3: the leonder of the free world. The issue here is
Speaker 3: not that Democrats are suggesting that they're having an affair, because, honestly,
Speaker 3: do we really think Trump's still in that era? No?
Speaker 3: Do you think someone of his advanced age and deteriorating
Speaker 3: physical capacity is not having a lot of sex? No?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I think she's obsessed with him, and I
Speaker 2: think he uh really likes her because of what he likes. Yes,
Speaker 2: men and women around him anyway, and she's the ultimate
Speaker 2: like she she will do literally anything for him, including
Speaker 2: run after his golf cart in Scotland and then apologize
Speaker 2: later that she wasn't fast enough.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's not as girlfriend, she's his nurse maid.
Speaker 3: That's the point we're making here.
Speaker 2: It's true. Believe it or not. The extended Maggie universe
Speaker 2: has collectively decided to devote most of their energy this
Speaker 2: week toward expressing outrage over Osoff's three words travel with Natalie.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's all he said about her, which has
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing to do with feeling threatened by Ossof's political
Speaker 2: rise or wanting to be seen by Trump defending Natalie's honor.
Speaker 2: Here's one oscar worthy performance from Scott Jennings.
Speaker 6: He unleashed a comment so vile against a young Republican
Speaker 6: woman working in politics that every woman in this country,
Speaker 6: no matter your ideology, ought to listen carefully and never
Speaker 6: forget it.
Speaker 7: What we are learning from Democratic men right now is
Speaker 7: that if you're a conservative woman in politics, you are
Speaker 7: less than human. Oh they like to bill themselves as
Speaker 7: the Party of Women, But is there anything uglier than
Speaker 7: the Party of Women? Explaining to a bunch of clapping
Speaker 7: seals at a rally how female political staffers are really
Speaker 7: only good.
Speaker 6: For one thing. Wink wink.
Speaker 7: They talk about us Off like he's the next Bill Clinton.
Speaker 7: Sounds like he shares Clinton's views about women in the workplace.
Speaker 6: Maybe they're right.
Speaker 7: What he said devalued every woman who goes to Washington
Speaker 7: to serve our country, and it sent a signal to
Speaker 7: every young lady out there who aspires to serve that
Speaker 7: even in the year of our Lord twenty twenty six,
Speaker 7: with men like John Asoff around, you'll never be truly viewed.
Speaker 7: Is anything other than a sex object in a political punchline?
Speaker 2: Sir, this is a Wendy's This is travel with Natalie,
Speaker 2: is what he said. The President wants to travel with Natalie.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't watch a lot of CNN, and
Speaker 3: if I was a CNN, I know I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: getting there. I remember served one of those clips on
Speaker 3: Instagram or TikTok or Twitter about that shows some giant
Speaker 3: fight on a CNN set. I scored my pass. It
Speaker 3: do not need that in my life. So when did
Speaker 3: the goate come into play here?
Speaker 2: You know, it's a great question. I am not a
Speaker 2: frequent viewer of those of those CNN clips either, and
Speaker 2: so it just sort of appeared one day.
Speaker 3: That was the most offensive part of that whole thing.
Speaker 3: Honestly to me, that was distracting for you. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: focus on on the cojin argument.
Speaker 2: You're saying that's even more vile than what John Osoff
Speaker 2: unleashed on this poor, defenseless woman by saying that the
Speaker 2: president likes to travel with her.
Speaker 3: It sends a message to every man with a weak
Speaker 3: chin who heads to Washington.
Speaker 2: Now, on one of those CNN panels, we could have
Speaker 2: played this clip, but there were so many Scott Jennings
Speaker 2: clips this week that you know, we had to pick
Speaker 2: and choose. But someone said, oh, I'm so sick of
Speaker 2: the fake outrage and he lost his ship. Not quite
Speaker 2: Adam Mockler, get your fucking hand out of my face,
Speaker 2: losing his shit Scott Jennings has done in the past,
Speaker 2: but was like, how dare you put words in my
Speaker 2: mouth and say this is fake? This is I believe this,
Speaker 2: and I am defending her honor and this enrages me.
Speaker 2: Here's a quote from Thursday Mornings playbook about Scott Jennings.
Speaker 2: Historyonics others in Trump World dubbed Jennings jockeying as a
Speaker 2: fairly obvious public audition for a White House Press secretary
Speaker 2: job he's been eyeing since the transition. The clips of
Speaker 2: Jennings defending Natalie made their way around the White House. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's amazing.
Speaker 3: How how did they get there?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: In part because Jennings sent them to several senior staffers.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So he was so angry and outrage in
Speaker 2: such a genuine way that he yelled on CNN and
Speaker 2: on his whatever radio show. I don't know how you
Speaker 2: get it on the internet, and then got the clips
Speaker 2: already and then sent them to the people in the
Speaker 2: White House he hoped would hire him for the job
Speaker 2: of press secretary because he's just so genuinely upset about everything.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Danny think Scotty might get the job?
Speaker 2: He was number three on my list. We did this,
Speaker 2: We did this last episode.
Speaker 3: I was gonna hold off on this, but I'll do
Speaker 3: it right now. I know everyone listens every episode, but
Speaker 3: for those of you who missed, John and I did
Speaker 3: a very serious but very fake game where we power
Speaker 3: rank possible contenders. Trump has not picked the person yet,
Speaker 3: but you you out played me in that game. I
Speaker 3: did not have Scott Jennings. You picked No. One, which
Speaker 3: was which is still correct at this moment. Mm hmmm hm.
Speaker 3: And so I picked Mark Rubio as a joke still possible.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, you did great. You he did excellent
Speaker 3: that game. Here's the thing about the job of presserirator
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. It requires you to go on TV lie
Speaker 3: and just generally base yourself publicly on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: Well check, he's got that.
Speaker 3: So basically he wants to do the same job, but
Speaker 3: presumably with a pay cut. I guess yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got that part nailed. But his problem
Speaker 2: is he's a giant pussy. And Caroline Levitt, whatever else
Speaker 2: you want to say about her, she's pretty unflappable in
Speaker 2: that job. She got the lying part right that you
Speaker 2: just mentioned, Like, she's nailed that same thing with you know,
Speaker 2: Sarah Hockey Sanders, but they they are not nearly as
Speaker 2: emotional as Scott Jennings is. I mean, he almost cried
Speaker 2: when Adam Mockler put up his hand on CNN. He
Speaker 2: loses his shit on panels constantly, and Caroline Levitt never
Speaker 2: lost her shit in that briefing room.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I tend to think he probably gets a little bit
Speaker 3: of a beta, a little bit of a beta, yeah, little, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a snowflake beta. I think he probably gets plaudits
Speaker 3: for that sort of losing his shit on CNN. That's
Speaker 3: probably what they're going for, that's why they pay him.
Speaker 3: But in the White House briefing room, that's just not
Speaker 3: a particular effective way of doing your job. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: would be bad. He would be bad at the job.
Speaker 3: It's worth noting the guy. I'm pretty sure it was
Speaker 3: like a relatively mid level staffer from Mitch McConnell for
Speaker 3: many years before he was elevated into this role of
Speaker 3: America's heel on television by CNN.
Speaker 2: He also was he's like put.
Speaker 3: Punching way above his white class here.
Speaker 2: He was also very much against Trump in twenty sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he was. He was an early never Trumper that
Speaker 2: quickly switched.
Speaker 3: Which is how he got on CNN in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he was a never Trumper. Then,
Speaker 2: I think he was an anti anti and now he's
Speaker 2: you know, now he's a full Trumper.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure the commersion was totally sincere and done
Speaker 3: in good faith.
Speaker 2: Loill, everything he does is sincere, and if you don't
Speaker 2: believe so, he will send you the clip.
Speaker 3: How could a man who considers Mitch McConnell a father
Speaker 3: figure to him love Donald Trump in such a way.
Speaker 2: There's another clip of him. I could play another of
Speaker 2: him on friend Adam Friedlan show, where he basically is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like put on a show. It's like wrestling. I
Speaker 2: do like. And then at one point Adam's like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's I'll give you any topic and you have to
Speaker 2: argue the topic, and you have to argue the position,
Speaker 2: even if it's not your position, and he gives I
Speaker 2: forget what it was, but he gives him some liberal
Speaker 2: position and it was like frightening watching Scott just like
Speaker 2: get right into it and argue the position is if
Speaker 2: he completely believed it. So again, that part is all
Speaker 2: why he would be a great Press secretary for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But I do not think he can handle the pressure
Speaker 2: because he is a pussy.
Speaker 3: I really have to say, heading into this podcast, I
Speaker 3: did not my over under on your use of the
Speaker 3: term pussy was definitely not too and in fact, in
Speaker 3: the nine years been doing this podcasts, maybe the first
Speaker 3: few times you on.
Speaker 2: This podcast, well, it's just it's the only thing I
Speaker 2: can think of when I think about Scott Jennings, that
Speaker 2: the word the word yes.
Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 2: There's a notice story that basically says Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: seriously considering Scott Jennings for this job. That he is
Speaker 2: calling around. He's doing his thing where he calls around
Speaker 2: people and asks what do you think of Scott? Do
Speaker 2: you think he's been doing on TV? So this is
Speaker 2: live that he's he's thinking about this. But at the
Speaker 2: very end of end the notice story, we should say
Speaker 2: is basically the headline is like Trump is thinking he
Speaker 2: wants to pick a man because he's had a bunch
Speaker 2: of women in this job. Who's the only man, oh
Speaker 2: Sean Spicer, right, Shawn Spicer. So he's thinking of maybe
Speaker 2: having a man. Scott Jennings was named Ari Fleischer was
Speaker 2: named God Help us. And then but at the very
Speaker 2: end of the notice piece, it ends with this tidbit quote.
Speaker 2: A person close to the White House predicted that all
Speaker 2: of the attention on the President's close aide Natalie Harp
Speaker 2: could catapult her into the position. So to be fair,
Speaker 2: as we said, Harper did do a stint on the
Speaker 2: right wing outlet one American news network OANN before working
Speaker 2: for Trump, and where she sounded like a totally normal
Speaker 2: news anchor. Let's listen, we.
Speaker 4: Can't talk about winning back the House and Senate in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two and the White House in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four if we don't act on the fact that we
Speaker 4: actually did win the White House and the Senate in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. We shouldn't be afraid to say that because
Speaker 4: it's true. We the people know America as we know
Speaker 4: it could be ending in the next two or four years,
Speaker 4: which is exactly what President Trump is warning of. It
Speaker 4: just shows how desperate the Democrats were to find the
Speaker 4: votes to make up for President Trump's insurmountable lead.
Speaker 3: Really, yes, I mean not to nitpick here, but I'm
Speaker 3: not sure she fully clocked what insurmountable meant.
Speaker 2: Again, I mean some real North Korea shit there, So
Speaker 2: she has that down.
Speaker 3: By definition, the lead was quite mountable.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Natalie for Press secretary? You think
Speaker 2: that's how this whole thing ends.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine Trump separating himself from his human Binkie
Speaker 3: for several hours a day while she preps for and
Speaker 3: does the briefing.
Speaker 2: Or her separating herself from him.
Speaker 3: Yes, it goes both ways. Yeah, she would, even though
Speaker 3: it would obviously be a very lucrative position for her
Speaker 3: in the long run, she would become very famous, she
Speaker 3: would maybe get to graduate to a network better than
Speaker 3: Ann Newsmax, but she would turn it down because it
Speaker 3: would require separation from Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean to be fair to her, she
Speaker 2: has more power right now. She's probably one of the
Speaker 2: most powerful people in the world in the world written now,
Speaker 2: why would she want to go be White House Press secretary?
Speaker 3: Yes, she is Geppetto to Trump's Pinocchio, just moving around
Speaker 3: one tweet at a time.
Speaker 2: All Right, one more story about women being forced to
Speaker 2: babysit Trump administration, Bozo's before we move on, because there's
Speaker 2: two this week. Jesse Jennifer Heggseeth, wife of Pete hegg Seth,
Speaker 2: gets a big story in The New York Times Today
Speaker 2: on Thursday, where she's described as her husband's most influential
Speaker 2: advisor and de facto producer, apparently attending highly sensitive meetings
Speaker 2: traveling with her husband to quote keep him out of
Speaker 2: trouble and conducting job interviews at the pen of Gone.
Speaker 2: What did you make of that story, Dan, It seemed
Speaker 2: a bit odd to me.
Speaker 3: It's not your normal relationship. But then I tried to think,
Speaker 3: imagine you or I were secretary of Defense or something
Speaker 3: like it. Okay, h and I know my wife and
Speaker 3: I know your wife, and so I kind of imagine
Speaker 3: that both those cases, they would be our closest advisors.
Speaker 2: Yes, although I would ask Emily would be like, I
Speaker 2: don't have time for your boring ship.
Speaker 3: No, she would. She'd be producing you.
Speaker 2: She would. She would, really, I don't know I would
Speaker 2: I had been into the production part of it for sure.
Speaker 3: I don't think she would be interviewing your pres secretary.
Speaker 2: She would not care about the meeting with the Ukrainian
Speaker 2: officials with.
Speaker 3: Me now, but she and they it would be deeply
Speaker 3: involved with both Halle and Emily and both cases.
Speaker 2: That's true. And and and clearly they'd have to be
Speaker 2: on the road with us to keep us out of trouble,
Speaker 2: because we've.
Speaker 3: Done a lot of travel together over the years, and
Speaker 3: we were pretty we're pretty boring. Oh No, one drink
Speaker 3: and then in bed by nine thirty so we can read.
Speaker 2: The news could stand again in a little more trouble.
Speaker 2: All right, enough of that, let's talk about the midterms,
Speaker 2: where democratic primary results continue to drive the take economy,
Speaker 2: which is obviously what matters most.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 2: Here's Politico. This is about Tuesday's results. Tuesday's primary results.
Speaker 2: Hashtag resistance. Democrats are flopping in primaries. Here's Axios. The
Speaker 2: rise of DSA is killing off resistance one point Democrats,
Speaker 2: and most definitively from the Atlantic quote, the resistance is over.
Speaker 2: Those headlines refer in part to Tuesday night's results in Florida,
Speaker 2: where State Representative Angie Nixon, a relatively unknown DSA candidate,
Speaker 2: won a massive upset against Alexander Vinman in the US
Speaker 2: Senate Democratic primary. You might remember Vinman as the former
Speaker 2: Trump national security aid from the first administration who became
Speaker 2: a national figures a key witness during Trump's twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: impeachment hearings. That's the first impeachment extra points if you
Speaker 2: can remember what that was about. Vinman was widely expected
Speaker 2: to win, refused to debate to even debate Nixon, and
Speaker 2: outraised her by fifteen million dollars. She raised less than
Speaker 2: a million dollars total for a Senate race in Florida
Speaker 2: and won the primary. Nixon now advances to the general election,
Speaker 2: where she'll faced Senator Ashley Moody, who took Marco Rubio's
Speaker 2: seat when he was selected as Secretary of State. You
Speaker 2: wrote a great message box about this result, encouraging other
Speaker 2: Democrats to learn from Nixon's unexpected win. Tell us about it.
Speaker 2: How'd you win, How'd you pull it off? What should
Speaker 2: other dums take away?
Speaker 3: Sure Nixon, as you mentioned to someone who she's a liberal.
Speaker 3: She joined the DSA during the campaign. But the typical coalition,
Speaker 3: both historically and in this cycle for DSA or very
Speaker 3: progressive members has been young voters, white college educator liberals,
Speaker 3: and a failure to make inroads with black voters and
Speaker 3: voter in more working class voters. Nixon won here because
Speaker 3: she ran up huge numbers among black voters in Florida,
Speaker 3: and she won the counties that have the largest segment
Speaker 3: of black voters. She won by thirty points. Now she
Speaker 3: is from Jacksonville and dufaul County, which is a huge
Speaker 3: slice of black voters, but she also did very well
Speaker 3: in the I four corridor, which is Tampa and Orlando.
Speaker 3: She did well in Miami Dade. We're also a lot
Speaker 3: of black voters. And even more importantly and notable, she
Speaker 3: did really well in what's called the Black Belt in
Speaker 3: northern Florida, which is the rural areas with large black communities.
Speaker 3: She just cleaned up in those counties. And then so
Speaker 3: she took this really impressive number with black voters and
Speaker 3: then combined it with younger voters, more progressive voters, more
Speaker 3: college educated voters, to give herself a thirteen point win
Speaker 3: in this primary. This when you wonder why like these
Speaker 3: progressive candidates fail in pretqularly presidential primer, you know, Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 3: Howard Dean, Gary Hart, Bill Bradley, It's because they can
Speaker 3: do the half of the coalition with young and white voters,
Speaker 3: which can get them through in the old calendar Iowa
Speaker 3: and New Hampshire, and then you get to South Carolina
Speaker 3: in the South, all these black voters, and the only
Speaker 3: candidate who's being able to put the coalition together that
Speaker 3: allowed you to win is Obama because he had college
Speaker 3: educated with liberals, young voters and black voters that have
Speaker 3: really high percentage and so like as they think about
Speaker 3: like how at a very progressive Democrat could win the
Speaker 3: Democratic nomination. It is going to look a lot more
Speaker 3: like what Angie Nixon did in Florida than Abdul Sayah
Speaker 3: did in Michigan or AOC does in New York or
Speaker 3: anything like that.
Speaker 2: It also reminded me of I mean, in Florida in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. That is basically how Andrew Gillham, running against DeSantis,
Speaker 2: came so close to winning that state. He didn't win it,
Speaker 2: but he was a more progressive candidate, did really really
Speaker 2: well with black voters, college educated voters, younger voters, and
Speaker 2: that was enough to what was it like eighteen thousand
Speaker 2: votes or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's but I think it's how he beat
Speaker 3: Gwen Graham in the.
Speaker 2: Right in the primary. In the primary, it does seem
Speaker 2: like Nixon will have quite a bit of an uphill climb,
Speaker 2: we should say, to win the general election. They you know,
Speaker 2: some of the forecasters moved it from one of them
Speaker 2: moved it from I think likely Republican to safe Republican.
Speaker 2: And just because I think that now, I will say
Speaker 2: I've seen her now do a couple of interviews post race,
Speaker 2: and I watched her but she's very good, very good,
Speaker 2: and if you did not, like if they did not
Speaker 2: report that she was DSA, you would never guess that
Speaker 2: she was DSA.
Speaker 3: Yes, she is a work true. This is a lot
Speaker 3: of sometimes the DSA candidates, not all of them, but
Speaker 3: some of them have sort of the I don't know,
Speaker 3: this is not a fair thing, but this was usually
Speaker 3: described for chessca hang with the faculty faculty lounge problem
Speaker 3: right where how they talk about things, And that's not
Speaker 3: actually actually a fair characterization of French Kahong's life, who
Speaker 3: worked herself up as a restaurant or a chef. But
Speaker 3: Angie Nixon is a is working class. She is a
Speaker 3: longtime champion of working class but she's an organized a
Speaker 3: community organizer, and so she when she communicates, she communicates
Speaker 3: like a community organizer, not like some sort of academic
Speaker 3: who's just sort of studying these problems. She's someone who
Speaker 3: is deeply embedded in trying to actually solve the problems
Speaker 3: that working class families are dealing with.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 2: And also she was very I mean, so I think
Speaker 2: Willie Geis asked her, so do you support abolishing prisons?
Speaker 2: She's like, no, no, I don't support abolishing prisons. I
Speaker 2: support getting rid of for profit prisons that are being
Speaker 2: like run horribly and costing us a lot of money.
Speaker 2: But like it was just she had all the answers.
Speaker 2: It was very good.
Speaker 3: I just so the challenge. The challenge here is if
Speaker 3: there is one state in the country where the DSA
Speaker 3: label is a problem, in particular, it's Florida because that
Speaker 3: so much of the of the Latino vote in that
Speaker 3: state has roots in Cuba and Venezuela, and the socialism
Speaker 3: hit attacks hit much harder there. It's one of the
Speaker 3: things that has moved Florida to the right in recent years.
Speaker 2: And again, it's just it's a gigantic state, so it's
Speaker 2: super expensive, and it's not the kind of state where
Speaker 2: you can say, all right, well, you know, look beyond
Speaker 2: the label and actually come meet me, you know, because
Speaker 2: it's just it's too big for that. So that's why
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough anyway. So Vinman wasn't the only
Speaker 2: quote unquote resistance figure to lose this cycle. Dan Goldman
Speaker 2: lead Majority Council during Trump's twenty nineteen impeachment Representative Diana
Speaker 2: to get twenty twenty one House impeachment manager. Both lost
Speaker 2: their primaries to left wing challengers. Harry Dunn, Capitol police officer,
Speaker 2: in January sixth, lost his bid for a House seat
Speaker 2: in Maryland. George Conway, trump critic, co founder of the
Speaker 2: Lincoln Project Bulwark, came in fifth with just six percent
Speaker 2: of the vote in the Democratic primary to replace Jerry Nadler.
Speaker 2: So this has spawned a lot of resistance's overtakes. What
Speaker 2: do you think about those takes? Do these losses suggest
Speaker 2: a real trend to you? Or is the take machine
Speaker 2: trying a bit too hard here?
Speaker 3: I mean, the take machine, by definition is always trying
Speaker 3: a bit too hard fair, But there is something real
Speaker 3: here and it's actually should not be that surprising. The
Speaker 3: Trump era began eleven years ago when he started running. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he won election a decade ago. It's been a very
Speaker 3: long time, and that decade actually feels longer than an
Speaker 3: actual ten years because of the pandemic. Here we are
Speaker 3: we are struggling to remember in people who covered it
Speaker 3: every day, what happened in Trump's impeachment in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: Is it really feels like one hundred years ago?
Speaker 2: Ukraine perfect call Zelenski was involved, but it was before Yestery.
Speaker 3: But we didn't even know Zelensky like we know him now.
Speaker 3: He was even our hero was just a guy's a
Speaker 3: comedian who got a job, and so like that. That's
Speaker 3: all old and feels like in the past. I think
Speaker 3: that what has changed is that, and this is a
Speaker 3: good thing for Democrats, is we do not of ourselves
Speaker 3: entirely as in opposition to Trump. And so standing up
Speaker 3: and fighting Trump is necessary in a democratic primary politically,
Speaker 3: but it's insufficient. You have to be fighting for something
Speaker 3: bigger than that. You have defined your something as someone
Speaker 3: who's actually fighting to solve these big problems that I
Speaker 3: think people of the last year or so have realized
Speaker 3: are more than just Trump, Like it's a rigged economy.
Speaker 3: It's people can't get healthcare, and Trump is contributed to that,
Speaker 3: and he's certainly not helping it. But if you're simply
Speaker 3: focused on Trump, that's the problem. The other thing that
Speaker 3: I think defined a lot of these resistance one point
Speaker 3: zero characters is they are institutionalist by nature. Right, we were
Speaker 3: going to bring him down through Robert Mulla, We're going
Speaker 3: to bring him down through impeachment, and that stuff I
Speaker 3: think feels dated here and doesn't really, it doesn't have
Speaker 3: this hit in the same way to before, So they
Speaker 3: are a little so those folks are sometimes naturally out
Speaker 3: of touch with what's going on. But then when you
Speaker 3: look at each of these individual races, it really wasn't
Speaker 3: about them being resistance figures. Dan Goldman went down because
Speaker 3: of a huge dispute over Israel. George Conway was a
Speaker 3: Republican with relatively low name ID running against a really
Speaker 3: stack field of local elected officials like michae Lasher and
Speaker 3: Alex Boris.
Speaker 2: That was my problem with this is I just don't
Speaker 2: think any of the dots connect, Like, yes, what they
Speaker 2: have in common is they all are you could call
Speaker 2: them all resistance figures. But every single race was different
Speaker 2: for different reasons.
Speaker 3: I think it was someone amous how in each of
Speaker 3: the races Trump was really wasn't that big a deal.
Speaker 3: He wasn't the dominant figure in the conversation, which wasn't
Speaker 3: good for the people who became famous for standing up
Speaker 3: to Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's also not just how long we've been
Speaker 2: doing this, which is a long time, a long time,
Speaker 2: but it's what is coming next, which is like we
Speaker 2: are almost at the end of the Trump era. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can see the light, right, and so if you're
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is going to be especially true
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty eight primaries. But like all of
Speaker 2: those Democratic candidates that are going to run for president,
Speaker 2: why would they talk that much about Trump? They'll probably
Speaker 2: talk about how they're going to fix the damage Trump
Speaker 2: has done. But like there it's it's sort of like
Speaker 2: we dealt with this in the campaign in two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, two thousand and eight, it's very similar where
Speaker 2: there was a lot of Bush pashing, obviously, but at
Speaker 2: some point in that primary, I remember Obama was like
Speaker 2: the real question is, like we know that George Bush
Speaker 2: isn't coming back as president, and the question is what's next,
Speaker 2: Like what's next for the country and where are we
Speaker 2: going to go and what's going to happen and and
Speaker 2: like that's where all these Democratic candidates are going to
Speaker 2: have to pivot very soon after the midterms.
Speaker 3: And then we won the nomination, and we ran approximately
Speaker 3: eighty million dollars of ads with a video of John
Speaker 3: McKinney getting into a golf cart with George W.
Speaker 4: Bush.
Speaker 2: Well, that'll be and that will be the campaign against
Speaker 2: Jade Vance.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there will be or.
Speaker 2: Or if Mark or Rubio somehow makes it out or anyone,
Speaker 2: if anyone is the nominee connected to the Trump administration. Yes,
Speaker 2: then that that six months or seven months or whatever
Speaker 2: the campaign, that will all be about Donald Trump. And
Speaker 2: then but in terms of a primary and what you're
Speaker 2: gonna do, uh for the country, it's it's beyond Trump
Speaker 2: at that point. So I think that's something to keep
Speaker 2: in mind for people.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to Alaska. Former Democratic Congresswoman Mary Peltola was
Speaker 2: the top vote getter in the state's jungle primary on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: where she outperformed ablic Dan Sullivan by five point four points,
Speaker 2: with ninety eight percent of the vote reported. Alaska unsurprisingly
Speaker 2: takes a while to count. There's still some few rural
Speaker 2: areas coming in. The top four vote getters now advanced
Speaker 2: to the November runoff election, which is expected to include
Speaker 2: the other Dan Sullivan. Dan J. Sullivan Junior, a retired
Speaker 2: school teacher who Republicans maintain entered the election to sabotage
Speaker 2: the nominee, Dan S. Sullivan, and whose candidacy is now
Speaker 2: being probed by Trump's DOJ who got a grand jury
Speaker 2: to subpoena witnesses connected to the campaign. Before we get
Speaker 2: to that, let's start with Peltola's results. What did you
Speaker 2: make of her outperforming the real Dan Sullivan and what
Speaker 2: it may or may not pretend for the general election,
Speaker 2: which will happen in a couple months.
Speaker 3: It's certainly a good sign because she won by five points.
Speaker 3: Even if you took out if you gave all of
Speaker 3: the fake Dan Sullivan's votes to the real Dan Sullivan,
Speaker 3: she still wins by two and a half points. So
Speaker 3: that is good now, So it's positive sign.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 3: It's worth just noting that about one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: three thousand people I think voted in this primary, and
Speaker 3: the last Senate race had twice that than twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two when Rokowski was up, so and probably even more
Speaker 3: this time because this would be a more competitive race.
Speaker 3: So this is only about half the electorate in Alaska voting.
Speaker 3: But look, a five point lead or a very Republican
Speaker 3: is thirteen save Trump one by thirteen points is a
Speaker 3: great place to be in August of the electioneer.
Speaker 2: What about Dan J. Sullivan? Do you think he's on
Speaker 2: the ballot come November, or is the DOJ going to
Speaker 2: intimidate him off the ballot. I know there was already
Speaker 2: a ruling that he could be on the ballot from
Speaker 2: I believe the State Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: I think they are going to try to intimidate and
Speaker 3: get him off the bout, Like why else would they
Speaker 3: be doing this. They think if this is a very
Speaker 3: very close race, then Dan J. Sullivan could be very
Speaker 3: bad for Dan S. Sullivan if I think it did
Speaker 3: that correctly. He did, but he seems pretty committed to
Speaker 3: his goal of being Senator.
Speaker 2: And confusing people. I think it's his goal.
Speaker 3: He was Alaska John of course, of course, ye don't
Speaker 3: make don't make the DJ's case for them, for them.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get this subbinia. Yeah, I know nothing.
Speaker 3: You're gonna You're gona end up in an ad.
Speaker 2: This is the first I've heard about this, just have
Speaker 2: heard about this Dan Sullivant character. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look into him. Maybe he's a Maybe he's gonna
Speaker 2: be a great leader for Alaska. Who knows. Anyway, that's Alaska.
Speaker 2: On the other side of the country in South Carolina,
Speaker 2: Congressman Ralph Norman and Darlene Graham will face off in
Speaker 2: next week's runoff election to decide which of them will
Speaker 2: replace Senator Lindsay Graham on the November ballot. Darlene, who's
Speaker 2: currently serving out the remainder of her brother's term, was
Speaker 2: the top vote get her in the first round of
Speaker 2: the primary and has Donald Trump's endorsement. He will be
Speaker 2: campaigning for her in the state on Friday, apparently, but
Speaker 2: during her one and only debate with Norman this week,
Speaker 2: she gave one hell of an answer to a question
Speaker 2: about foreign policy. Let's listen.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, could you repeat the quick our Taiwan and
Speaker 8: the South China see national security issues for the United States,
Speaker 8: and if so, why or how. I'm just gonna be
Speaker 8: honest to you. I'm not on a security that I'm
Speaker 8: not that informed on national security, so but I do
Speaker 8: support the military. My brother was in the Air Force
Speaker 8: for thirty three years, so I will do everything I
Speaker 8: can to support the military. My dad was in the Army.
Speaker 8: I'm not a polished politician up here. National security is
Speaker 8: not my thing, not my area of expertise, but I
Speaker 8: do support the military.
Speaker 2: In case I didn't make it clear, the first time,
Speaker 2: I will say a second time that national security is
Speaker 2: not my thing, and just to be extra clear, I'll
Speaker 2: say one more time, I am not an expert on
Speaker 2: national security. Just to make sure you have all the
Speaker 2: context you need for the ad and that you don't
Speaker 2: have to infer anything.
Speaker 3: Rough Dann rough Right, there is exactly why you don't
Speaker 3: pick people with no qualifications to be senator just because
Speaker 3: they are blood relatives of the previous senator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if she wins the primary, because.
Speaker 3: It's the general, she wins this, I think.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is obviously South Carolina is a long
Speaker 2: shot here. I do think that any Andrews is the
Speaker 2: Democrat running on the Democratic side, And before Lindsay Graham
Speaker 2: passed away, there were poles that had her within a
Speaker 2: couple of points. She has raised a lot of money. Again,
Speaker 2: still a huge long shot, but I think she probably
Speaker 2: at this point, I think it's an easier race. I
Speaker 2: think she has a better chance against Darlene Graham than
Speaker 2: she does Ralph Norman, even though Ralph Norman is like
Speaker 2: Freedom Caucus crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right one
Speaker 3: hundred percent, that this is we just randomly pass the
Speaker 3: Senate seat along like it's the the iron throne. So
Speaker 3: then the nextperst regredless of hown qualified they are. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think that like once again hard state. We have
Speaker 3: been quite burned by summer polls in South Carolina Senate
Speaker 3: races before. For sure, for sure, look in a very
Speaker 3: Democratic year with a very very bad candidate and a
Speaker 3: good Democratic cannon and Andrews. Anything is potentially on the table.
Speaker 2: And it'll also be interesting to see, you know, Trump's
Speaker 2: endorsement going to campaign for her, does that like Trump
Speaker 2: has now had a couple endorsements that haven't gone well,
Speaker 2: including Tuesday Night. He lost three on Tuesday Night, three
Speaker 2: on Tuesday Night. And this will be pretty high profile
Speaker 2: if she if she goes down.
Speaker 3: So this is going to be the real to tell
Speaker 3: the people who can't win the Democratic Party you can
Speaker 3: pass the marshmallow test because the short term one marshmallow
Speaker 3: benefit is we all get to dunk on Trump next
Speaker 3: Wednesday if she loses, but then they definitely get the
Speaker 3: Senate seat. We can delay gratification to November. We might
Speaker 3: have a shot at an extra Senate seat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone practiced being like, oh, Trump's endorsement still still matters.
Speaker 2: That Donald Trump is his grip on the party is
Speaker 2: still strong. Everyone just practiced that for a little bit,
Speaker 2: all right. So one issue that does seem to be
Speaker 2: panicking Republican campaigns all across the country right now is
Speaker 2: data centers. Earlier this week, Axios reported that the NRSC,
Speaker 2: the Republican Senate campaign arm, sent memo to AI companies
Speaker 2: warning them that voters' opinions on data centers may lose
Speaker 2: them the Ohio Senate race. The memo details how Shared
Speaker 2: Brown has made opposition to data centers a quote centerpiece
Speaker 2: of his campaign, and warns the companies that are Republican
Speaker 2: nominee John Houstad loses quote, data centers will get the blame.
Speaker 2: Politicians across the country will take notice, and they will
Speaker 2: not go near the next one. The NRSC goes on
Speaker 2: to ask the companies to quote fix how Ohio and
Speaker 2: see data centers? I guess by not having them, though
Speaker 2: they don't say that. More broadly, data center backlash has
Speaker 2: forced elected officials and candidates in both parties to recalibrate
Speaker 2: their messaging. For example, the Republican in Wisconsin's gubernatorial race,
Speaker 2: Tom Tiffany is running ads now calling his opponent data
Speaker 2: center David Crowley. First of all, what do you think
Speaker 2: of the NRSC strategy of pleading with AI companies on
Speaker 2: this one? What do you think they're up to there?
Speaker 3: Well, the text is we're pleating with the AA companies
Speaker 3: to do a better job of pr for data centers.
Speaker 3: The subtext is we want the AI companies, through the
Speaker 3: through their leading the future super pac that has one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty million dollars or so in the bank,
Speaker 3: to spend money to help make sure that John Houstead wins,
Speaker 3: because if John Hustad loses, everyone will read that as
Speaker 3: being a lost I do entirely to data centers, and
Speaker 3: it will be very, very bad for the industry's ability
Speaker 3: to build data centers around the country because then everybably
Speaker 3: every Democratic Republican will be anti data center. So it
Speaker 3: is just basically a fundraising ask to get these super
Speaker 3: PACs to come in here and help Houstead.
Speaker 2: And I'm just going to throw out a guess here,
Speaker 2: but if the super PACs do come in and help Houstead,
Speaker 2: I wonder if they will go the route of a
Speaker 2: pack and maybe not run ads trying to make data
Speaker 2: centers more appealing and defending data centers, but perhaps run
Speaker 2: ads against Shared Brown on unrelated topics that they think
Speaker 2: they have a better political political argument on, because that
Speaker 2: seems to be what super PACs do these days.
Speaker 3: If you are a super pac representing a very very
Speaker 3: unpopular interest group, then yes, that's what you're going to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So here's how Shared is talking about data centers and
Speaker 2: his opponent, oh I.
Speaker 3: Was electric grid.
Speaker 9: Big corporations treat it like a game, gobbling up energy
Speaker 9: to feed their data centers, no matter how much it
Speaker 9: raises our prices. It's the latest way they've rigged the system,
Speaker 9: costing the average Ohio and thousands of dollars, with prices
Speaker 9: still going up. I'm sure Brown, I'll require the data
Speaker 9: centers pay the full cost of their electricity, not you.
Speaker 9: They don't get to play games with your energy bill.
Speaker 9: That's why I approve this message.
Speaker 2: What do you think of that ad? What do you
Speaker 2: think of this debate in general, which is now popping
Speaker 2: up in I mean, we mentioned Ohio, but in Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: but it's happening in races all across the country. Gubernatorial races,
Speaker 2: house races, senate races. It's everywhere.
Speaker 3: Just as an organic plug. It makes it organic if
Speaker 3: I say it that next week on Monday, we're going
Speaker 3: to have a whole special on data center ads the
Speaker 3: Brain Tyler comin and I did on the Cricket YouTube channels.
Speaker 3: Peoplehold check that out part of our political Experts React series.
Speaker 3: But this is You're right, this happening everywhere. It's a
Speaker 3: huge issue in Texas where Gina Inejosa and Greg Gabbett
Speaker 3: are competing to see who could be the most anti
Speaker 3: data center. She has an incredible ad that Brian and
Speaker 3: I watched. That is where she asks a AI chatbot
Speaker 3: about what why electricity prices are so high onces happen
Speaker 3: in data centers. Just today in Michigan, Mike Rogers came
Speaker 3: out for a one year moratorium on data centers. Josh Pirou,
Speaker 3: who had been very pro data center, is now anti
Speaker 3: data center. He is an attack at UP today criticizing
Speaker 3: his opponent for being pro data center. This is, I think,
Speaker 3: potentially the signature issue of this selection for several reasons. One,
Speaker 3: it galvanizes Democrats and Republicans. The polling in here is,
Speaker 3: you know, two thirds don't want a data center in
Speaker 3: their community. Two thirds think the data center centators are
Speaker 3: being built too fast. People are very concerned about the
Speaker 3: impact of AI, and data centers represent several things in
Speaker 3: one in one fell suit for people fear about AI,
Speaker 3: fear about an economy. It's leaving them behind a lack
Speaker 3: of control with these big tech overlords who are making
Speaker 3: decisions for their lives, a cricket system where they're all
Speaker 3: giving money to politicians into Trump and building ballrooms so
Speaker 3: that they can do whatever they want. And most importantly,
Speaker 3: affordability because the states of the data center issue is
Speaker 3: the biggest Texas in Maine in particular, it's around where
Speaker 3: they have the highest electricity, electricity and utility prices. And
Speaker 3: so this is like you're going to see every politician
Speaker 3: is going to It's going to be very hard for
Speaker 3: defining politic issues to be pro data center other than
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, who's out there every day talking about why
Speaker 3: data centers are great. And it's like just an incredible
Speaker 3: contrast for Democrats because Mike Rodgers can be formatorium, Tom
Speaker 3: Tiffany can sort of lie about his position. At the
Speaker 3: end of the day, they are Trump Republicans, and Trump
Speaker 3: wants to build a data center on every corner in.
Speaker 2: America, Democrats have had a couple different positions on those
Speaker 2: different Democratic candidates. There is the moratorium, we want just
Speaker 2: a moratorium on data centers, no data centers. And then
Speaker 2: there is and I think this is where Tom Tiffany
Speaker 2: thought he had an opening with David Crowley and Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 2: Similarly with his executive order that he just signed, sort
Speaker 2: of has this position, which is no data centers unless
Speaker 2: all of these conditions are met. And so I think
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania now, like you can't even get a permit
Speaker 2: from the state for a data center unless it is
Speaker 2: approved by the local community. And also they have to
Speaker 2: pay for all of their own costs, all of the
Speaker 2: higher electricity rates. It gets into the weeds here. I
Speaker 2: went down a rabbit hole on this. You can't have
Speaker 2: them pay for all of the potential increases in electricity
Speaker 2: because it's spread across multiple states, right, which is a problem.
Speaker 2: But there's a big part of the power generation and
Speaker 2: the electricity that they can pay for to hold rate payers,
Speaker 2: to hold everyone else harmless on this, right, so that
Speaker 2: you don't you don't have higher rates because of this.
Speaker 2: There's also like they can do stuff about the water
Speaker 2: issues and the energy issues like and then you can
Speaker 2: as opposed to some states that have been giving tax
Speaker 2: breaks to data centers, which seems crazy to me. Now
Speaker 2: there's states like Virginia, and there's a big story about
Speaker 2: Louden County where there's more data centers than anywhere else,
Speaker 2: which basically the data centers have to pay so much
Speaker 2: in tax revenue to the community where they're in that
Speaker 2: these communities now like Louden County are becoming like you're
Speaker 2: getting all these property tax cuts and you're building these
Speaker 2: great schools and giving teachers raises, and so it's like
Speaker 2: you can you can set out all these conditions for
Speaker 2: data centers that could help a community and could still
Speaker 2: get them built, or you could say no moratorium, that's it.
Speaker 2: Do you think that a Democrat with a position like Shapiro,
Speaker 2: like David Crowley, do you think that's still a politically
Speaker 2: good position to have and still gives you the contrast
Speaker 2: you need against Republicans.
Speaker 3: I think it is a moratorium is a much cleaner position.
Speaker 3: And I think the way to think about a moratorium
Speaker 3: is it is not an argument that will never build
Speaker 3: data centers again. It's that if you want to build
Speaker 3: a data center, you have to negotiate with the local
Speaker 3: community and the starting and I'm cribbing from another organic
Speaker 3: a very excellent conversation you have with fashion here on
Speaker 3: offline about politics in general. But you got to you
Speaker 3: dug deep on data centers because more perfect Union his
Speaker 3: organization has done a lot of work. Here is the
Speaker 3: point of the moratorium, is says our view is no
Speaker 3: data center. If you want to build a data center,
Speaker 3: you're going to have to come to us, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to meet our demands. And here's what our
Speaker 3: demands are. And what's important is the local community. This
Speaker 3: is why the tax and centers are so stupid. Is
Speaker 3: the local communities have the leverage here. Yes, these companies
Speaker 3: are desperately desperately desperately to try and to get the
Speaker 3: data they these communities are desperately desperately definitely need these
Speaker 3: data centers to continue building their large language models to
Speaker 3: do their work. And so they need it and they
Speaker 3: if we don't get data centers, they're fucked. And so
Speaker 3: to use that to make decisions about where it is,
Speaker 3: how much they're going to pay, what standards are going
Speaker 3: to be in place, how are they going to protect
Speaker 3: the community from you know, bad you know, harmful environment
Speaker 3: so harmful environmental impacts, the increased costs, all of those things,
Speaker 3: because there are there are going to be This was
Speaker 3: Crowley's point when I talked about this, which is not
Speaker 3: it was not delivered the most politically savvy way because
Speaker 3: of the politics here. But there are communities in Wisconsin
Speaker 3: other places that are in rural areas that are looking
Speaker 3: for an economic engine of some kind, and so they're
Speaker 3: open to this idea and what the AA comis were doing.
Speaker 2: Before because originally I was like, but they don't even
Speaker 2: create that many jobs. Like you there's there's jobs building
Speaker 2: the data center, and then there's like a couple of
Speaker 2: security guards. You know, Like yeah, that's exaggeration, but like
Speaker 2: they don't create a ton of jobs, but the revenue
Speaker 2: that they can potentially provide that is like a constant
Speaker 2: stream of a fuckload of revenue to a community like
Speaker 2: that lets the community do quite a bit of good.
Speaker 3: Previously, I think the AI companies were taking advantage of
Speaker 3: these communities. And now the communities have gotten organized, they
Speaker 3: are pushing back. They're getting support from leaders like Shapiro
Speaker 3: or to any evers or others to be able to
Speaker 3: go into these negotiations and come out ahead and then
Speaker 3: make an honest decision is this the right thing for
Speaker 3: our community, you know, based on our economic needs, our
Speaker 3: environmental concerns. But at least they have a fighting chance
Speaker 3: against these companies that have just them just essentially bribing
Speaker 3: the local council and moving in and getting it done
Speaker 3: before anyone even has a chance to blink.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you though that, and I think
Speaker 2: it's a really smart way to think about it, which
Speaker 2: is it is much easier and cleaner and more accessible
Speaker 2: to say like, yes, I want a data center moratorium,
Speaker 2: and then when someone says, oh, no data center built forever,
Speaker 2: then you're like, no, a moratorium unless a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of conditions are met, and then you can, you know,
Speaker 2: or unless you negotiate with the local community and everyone's
Speaker 2: conditions are met in the local community where it's going
Speaker 2: to have the biggest impact, you know, as opposed to
Speaker 2: saying like well I kind of wi't like data centers,
Speaker 2: but I need this, that and the other thing, like
Speaker 2: just for political communication here, I do think it's easier
Speaker 2: to just talk about a moratorium, Okay, up next, you
Speaker 2: will hear love It's interview with Iowa's Democratic Senate nominee
Speaker 2: Josh Turk.
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Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 10: I'd love to talk to you about your endorsement from
Speaker 10: Barack Obama, which you announced last month with a video.
Speaker 10: Let's just start with a clip.
Speaker 5: Well again, who's got next?
Speaker 3: I got it? You ready for me and Josh?
Speaker 5: Ready?
Speaker 11: Let's go were playing.
Speaker 5: Horse or what we're playing? Iowa?
Speaker 3: Tell me how things are going out there?
Speaker 12: Everywhere we go, urban areas, rural areas, people are ready
Speaker 12: for change.
Speaker 11: Oh, I thought I had that one.
Speaker 3: That's Iowa right there.
Speaker 11: But a lot of people have heard me say this.
Speaker 11: Of all the things I've done in politics, Iowa was
Speaker 11: my favorite thing. There was just a magic about regular
Speaker 11: folks showing up in gym's like this, like this and
Speaker 11: just talking out how do we move our state forward,
Speaker 11: how to move the country forward.
Speaker 12: I'll tell you what people all across Iowa saying that
Speaker 12: they're feeling that hope, that optimism for the first time
Speaker 12: in a long time.
Speaker 11: That's my sense.
Speaker 5: That's why I think's going to happen. Man.
Speaker 10: First of all, just how did that video come together?
Speaker 10: And what was it like actually shooting it on that day?
Speaker 5: Sure it came together. We I head.
Speaker 12: I was in Chicago and I ended up meeting with
Speaker 12: David Axel through a colleague of mine in the Iowa
Speaker 12: Legislature and sat down was trying to convince him on
Speaker 12: myself on Iowa that this thing is absolutely winnable. We
Speaker 12: could be seat number fifty one in the US Senate.
Speaker 12: And when we finished, he texted me and said, look,
Speaker 12: I'd love to be helpful however I can. I said,
Speaker 12: I've got this crazy idea where we've been including basketball
Speaker 12: so much and playing Iowa with people, going to the
Speaker 12: YMCA in Des Moines, and I said, I've got this
Speaker 12: crazy idea where all I need is President Obama just
Speaker 12: raised his hand five times, just five shots, and he said, well,
Speaker 12: let me see what I can do, and forty hours
Speaker 12: later text me back and said, I think he's interested.
Speaker 5: I think this thing is going to happen.
Speaker 12: And came together and incredible, I mean, my political hero.
Speaker 12: It was a surreal moment as I'm shooting and I'm
Speaker 12: looking over and I'm like, oh my god, I'm playing
Speaker 12: horse against as we're calling it, Iowa against President Obama,
Speaker 12: and honestly a great shooter, really really good shooter.
Speaker 10: I will say my first reaction when I saw the
Speaker 10: ad was wow. I am shocked that he agreed to
Speaker 10: film an ad that is about him missing shots and
Speaker 10: ultimately losing the game. He must really want, like, he
Speaker 10: must really want to do this because he's competitive and
Speaker 10: this is like, Oh, they're going to show you winning
Speaker 10: and you're going to show the times where he's like
Speaker 10: missing shots like that must have he wasn't.
Speaker 6: Been a little reluctant.
Speaker 10: Well, we didn't know who was going to win. We
Speaker 10: played a lit No, I'm not suggesting it was a
Speaker 10: rig gama. I'm not suggesting it. But he still obviously
Speaker 10: was going to be he was going to be shown missing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we came out here.
Speaker 12: Here's what I'll say. He came out, he missed his
Speaker 12: first shot or two. I gave him a letter. I
Speaker 12: he gave me a letter. I because I'm having one
Speaker 12: of those surreal moments, I'm looking over like, oh my god,
Speaker 12: I'm playing President Obama. I ended up beating him. Iowa
Speaker 12: to I, but he was. He was talking trash to
Speaker 12: me the entire game. He's like, look, I'm not going
Speaker 12: to let you win. I said, mister President, with all
Speaker 12: due respect, I'm certainly not going to let you win.
Speaker 12: I have a reputation here. I'm a two time gold medal,
Speaker 12: so I'm a four time Paralympian. Like, I'll never hear
Speaker 12: the end of it. If I let you beat me.
Speaker 3: You're prop He's got to go. That's right.
Speaker 10: So on the other hand, I saw a post recently
Speaker 10: so Trump said that you are lazy. Donald Trump has
Speaker 10: accused you of being lazy. Now when you were recuperating
Speaker 10: from twenty one surgeries, or being bullied by other kids,
Speaker 10: or training for the Paralympics, or being cut six times
Speaker 10: and then winning multiple gold medals, or dragging your own
Speaker 10: wheelchair up the stairs to canvas for votes, do you
Speaker 10: ever stop to think about how much further you could
Speaker 10: go in life if you weren't such a lazy piece
Speaker 10: of shit.
Speaker 12: I found that one fascinating because so much of my
Speaker 12: story is overcoming adversity. As you said, I grew up
Speaker 12: in a working class family, working class community where we
Speaker 12: went to the Goodwill for clothes shared clothes surgeries.
Speaker 5: By the age of twelve. I had my first surgery
Speaker 5: one day old.
Speaker 12: And then, as you said, I mean, I was cut
Speaker 12: six straight years from the national team. I kept coming
Speaker 12: back year after year after year, saying eventually, I'm going
Speaker 12: to get good enough. You can ask anyone of my
Speaker 12: national team teammates. I was absolutely one of the hardest
Speaker 12: workers and to win. I represent the reddest district that's
Speaker 12: represented by a Democrat in the Iowa Legislature. The two
Speaker 12: communities I represent trump one Carter Lake by eighteen points
Speaker 12: and one Council BLUs by ten points. I was able
Speaker 12: to win by six six percent. And I went out
Speaker 12: every single day, rain or shine, hot or cold, dragging
Speaker 12: my wheelchair upstairs to have conversations with Independence and Republicans
Speaker 12: because the match just didn't work any other way. And
Speaker 12: so I almost got a chuckle out of saying you're lazy.
Speaker 12: It's like, if nothing else, I'm an unbelievably hard worker
Speaker 12: and trusuly. I'm really proud of my time in the
Speaker 12: Iowa Legislature. When I first joined the legislature, I was
Speaker 12: told outright, you'll never get a subcommittee you'll never get
Speaker 12: a committee, you'll certainly never get anything signed by the governor.
Speaker 5: And I said, I refuse.
Speaker 12: I'm the first permanently physically disabled member of the Ible Legislature.
Speaker 12: I'm like, you can teach a monkey to come up
Speaker 12: here and push the red button over and over. I've
Speaker 12: got to get stuff done. And so I did the
Speaker 12: hard work behind the scenes that nobody will ever hear about,
Speaker 12: building relationships, finding stretch bail fellows where we can disagree
Speaker 12: on ninety percent of policy, but we're going to agree
Speaker 12: on this one thing that's going to really help people.
Speaker 12: And I was able to be one of the most
Speaker 12: effective and one of the most bipartisan members of the
Speaker 12: Ible Legislature. I think that's what people want.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you recently put on an ad talking about your
Speaker 10: bipartisan record, including your willingness to work with Trump if
Speaker 10: you're elected to the Senate. I just want to understand
Speaker 10: the voters you're trying to reach. And when I see
Speaker 10: that ad, I think, oh, there's a hump you're trying
Speaker 10: to get people over. There's a bunch of people out
Speaker 10: there that may be dissatisfied with the state of things
Speaker 10: in Iowa, in the country but they're a little bit
Speaker 10: uncomfortable with the idea of voting for a Democrat. And
Speaker 10: I'm just curious what you're trying to say to those
Speaker 10: people and what it's like being out talking to those
Speaker 10: kinds of voters.
Speaker 12: I believe to my core that more than Republican versus Democrat,
Speaker 12: I think, particularly in Iowa, I think what people want
Speaker 12: is they want a representative that is going to do
Speaker 12: the hard work behind the scenes. That what they want
Speaker 12: is they want a representative that is going to work
Speaker 12: to solve people's problems through policy, but through bipartisan policy.
Speaker 12: And so what I want them to understand about me
Speaker 12: is I'm not an overt tribalist. I'm a common sense,
Speaker 12: pray populist. So my political north star is always what's
Speaker 12: best for Iowa, what's best for Iowa's what's best for
Speaker 12: the middle class, what is best for our workers. And
Speaker 12: I think we've got to get back to this country
Speaker 12: over party mentality. And so I say I agree with
Speaker 12: President Trump that we shouldn't have tax on tips or overtime,
Speaker 12: or that we need to drive private equity out of housing,
Speaker 12: fight like hell where and when we need to, but
Speaker 12: also be willing to do the work behind the scenes
Speaker 12: to provide solutions to peeples problems, because I think that's
Speaker 12: what I once demand, and so I think that's the
Speaker 12: purpose of that.
Speaker 10: So you recently stopped by the Iowa Speedway to talk
Speaker 10: to voters. Part of what politics is today is the
Speaker 10: fight on the ground to break through the assumptions people
Speaker 10: have based on what they're seeing on Fox News, based
Speaker 10: on what they're seeing on social media, including just getting
Speaker 10: people to kind of not adopt the tone of what
Speaker 10: politics has on the Internet. And I'm just curious what
Speaker 10: it's like being on the trail in Iowa, in red
Speaker 10: places at a NASCAR event where there's going to be
Speaker 10: a lot of people that are not just independents or
Speaker 10: moderates or maybe Republicans who are unhappy with Trump, but
Speaker 10: true diehards for Trump. And if you've had any interesting
Speaker 10: conversations with some of those people on the campaign trail,
Speaker 10: it's been great.
Speaker 12: My favorite thing about doing this is being I love people.
Speaker 12: I love being able to get out there talk to people,
Speaker 12: hear their stories, hear what they're going through. And then
Speaker 12: when you're willing to listen to people is when you
Speaker 12: can actually think about, well, here's a solution that we
Speaker 12: could provide to them through policy. I love being able
Speaker 12: to get all over the state to a state that
Speaker 12: I was born in, raised in. We've got ninety nine counties.
Speaker 12: It's a beautiful state, really really good people there. Truly
Speaker 12: is an Iowa nice I've been all over the country,
Speaker 12: all over the world. There is a uniqueness to the
Speaker 12: people of Iowa. But I think that modern politics, the
Speaker 12: coin of the realm now is meeting people about politics
Speaker 12: in an apolitical fashion. So that's why the Obama video
Speaker 12: we include so much basketball. Bring them in with the basketball,
Speaker 12: then talk to him about politics. I did Ragbriy des
Speaker 12: Moines Register's Great Annual Bike Ride across Iowa.
Speaker 5: I did day one.
Speaker 12: I did sixty miles, the hottest day of the hilliest day,
Speaker 12: the humidst day. But there was forty thousand writers out
Speaker 12: there being able to talk to people, engage them.
Speaker 5: And the same with NASCAR.
Speaker 12: So part of this for me is I think that
Speaker 12: a mistake that too many Democrats have made over the
Speaker 12: last decade in my state is they have thought about
Speaker 12: this math problem incorrectly. They thought we've just got to
Speaker 12: maximize turnout in the urban areas. Pole County, Johnson County.
Speaker 12: But ultimately we're rural state, and so you've got to
Speaker 12: be willing to go into the lions, and you've got
Speaker 12: to be willing to go into all ninety nine counties,
Speaker 12: every one of these mid size, small communities and go
Speaker 12: and talk to them. And what I've learned representing a
Speaker 12: really red district is you won't win every single one
Speaker 12: of them over, but you will win enough to trim
Speaker 12: the margins. And every one of those Republicans that we
Speaker 12: went over is a double vote. One at of her
Speaker 12: call them and one of my call them.
Speaker 5: But what's it?
Speaker 3: I'm really actually I'm okay.
Speaker 10: Those are the people you're getting, and those are the
Speaker 10: people you want to get to win this race. But
Speaker 10: Iowa as a state that sent Tom Harkin to the
Speaker 10: Senate for thirty years, Barack Obama one it twice, it
Speaker 10: then shifted to the right and swung very hard to
Speaker 10: Trump right. Like, what are you hearing from the people?
Speaker 10: Like in terms of the long road of kind of
Speaker 10: getting people to see either Democrats in a different way
Speaker 10: or politics in a different way, I'm curious about what
Speaker 10: those conversations are like with the people. You're not going
Speaker 10: to get right, like you're talking to people, you're not
Speaker 10: winning them all over? What are those conversations like? What
Speaker 10: are they missing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 10: You're running against somebody that voted to cut healthcare in
Speaker 10: Iowa to fund the Warner Rons. Mean, it's deeply unpopular,
Speaker 10: but there are people that are gonna be upset about
Speaker 10: that but still be unable to vote for you, And
Speaker 10: I'm curious what that is like.
Speaker 12: I've had a handful of conversations, even with some Republicans
Speaker 12: when I was on ragbri and they said, you know,
Speaker 12: you don't have my vote, but I've got a whole
Speaker 12: lot of respect for you, and certainly I appreciate that.
Speaker 12: But what I'll tell you is, regardless of where I
Speaker 12: am in the state of Iowa, urban areas, rural areas,
Speaker 12: I keep hearing the exact same story, which is, islands
Speaker 12: are struggling just to keep food on the table, a
Speaker 12: roof of other head pay their electric bill, and now
Speaker 12: with this war in Iran be able to put gas
Speaker 12: in their tank. I think that a couple of things
Speaker 12: Iowa is we basically hit the bottom. We're one of
Speaker 12: three states already seeing our economy contract. We're basically dead
Speaker 12: last for every healthcare metric. Just since Ashley Henson's been elected,
Speaker 12: eight hundred and forty two healthcare entities have closed in Iowa,
Speaker 12: and she's voting for cuts to healthcare. I mean, one
Speaker 12: hundred ten thousand islands are going to lose their healthcare
Speaker 12: outright because her votes. One hundred and nineteen thousand islands
Speaker 12: seeing their healthcare premiums double or triple, or horror stories
Speaker 12: like I've heard quadruple where a state that we were
Speaker 12: basically the gold standard in public education, we've precipitously dropped
Speaker 12: down from the gold standard now down to the bottom
Speaker 12: half because of giving private schools public money. We've got
Speaker 12: a water quality crisis that's not being addressed. We've got
Speaker 12: a cancer christ were basically the only state with a
Speaker 12: growing cancer rate, second highest rates behind Kentucky, and now
Speaker 12: we lead the nation in farm foreclosures, largely driven by
Speaker 12: the tariffs. But also I think this warn Iran, which
Speaker 12: Ashley Hinson is voted in favor of continuing six times,
Speaker 12: four times in favor of the tariffs, it is disapportionately
Speaker 12: hurt Iowa. We've lost three islands in the conflict, and
Speaker 12: then you're looking at this driving up fuel cost, fertilizer cost,
Speaker 12: in diesel costs, which is disprophurting the farm cures. This
Speaker 12: is a state that is really hurting, that is ready
Speaker 12: for change. Everywhere that we're going, people are saying to me,
Speaker 12: this is not the Iowa. I know, this is not
Speaker 12: the state that I grew up in. We need change
Speaker 12: both at the state level and the federal level. And
Speaker 12: I think that a common sense Prairie populist like myself
Speaker 12: is where they're willing to park their votes. But it's
Speaker 12: a state that's ready for change.
Speaker 10: So your opponent, yes, votes for the big beautiful bill,
Speaker 10: votes to send more money to the Pentagon, additional funding
Speaker 10: for the war in Iran. Also really embraced and just
Speaker 10: a lot of Republicans kind of held their nose and
Speaker 10: thought Doge was kind of okay. They were unsure where
Speaker 10: to She's a huge fan of Doge, part of the
Speaker 10: Doge Caucus. It seems like there's that just seems like
Speaker 10: bad politics to me, a kind of unabashedly. So is
Speaker 10: it just about getting Elon Musk to drop money in
Speaker 10: the state?
Speaker 3: Is she like, what is the.
Speaker 10: What is your argument against Ashley Hintson and why is
Speaker 10: it that this is somebody running for the Senate in
Speaker 10: Iowa who seems to be not really even worried about
Speaker 10: her past positions in the race.
Speaker 3: It's confusing.
Speaker 12: She comes out when she announces that she's going to
Speaker 12: run for the US Senate. She says, I want to
Speaker 12: be Donald Trump's best ally in the US Senate. Says
Speaker 12: nothing about Iowa. Nothing about Iowan's nothing about the middle class,
Speaker 12: the state that is hurting pharm economy, that's collapsing cancer rates, etc. Yeah,
Speaker 12: she has voted for cuts to health care, to food assistants,
Speaker 12: just to give tax breaks to billionaires. It's been a
Speaker 12: level of essentially naked corruption with her. She is now
Speaker 12: up to ten times more wealthy than when she entered
Speaker 12: Congress just six years ago, taken fifty thousand dollars of
Speaker 12: taxpayer money to give herself a luxury DC apartment. I
Speaker 12: think the calculus was she looks at a state that
Speaker 12: Trump carries by twelve points, and she says, all I
Speaker 12: need to do is just get Trump voters to turn
Speaker 12: out and vote for me, and I'm just going to
Speaker 12: have a cake walk to the United States Senate. But
Speaker 12: this is a fundamentally different state and I don't think
Speaker 12: she was prepared for a common sense, prairie populace like myself,
Speaker 12: with proven results of being able to win over independence
Speaker 12: and moderate Republicans. And we're getting big turnouts, particularly in
Speaker 12: the rule areas of you know, thirty percent of Iowa
Speaker 12: voters or Independence, and so these are the kingmakers. But
Speaker 12: we're also getting a lot of card carrying Republicans that
Speaker 12: have said, voted for Trump, voter for Ernst, voter for Grassley,
Speaker 12: even vote for Henson, and enough's enough.
Speaker 5: We need change.
Speaker 12: We need change at the state level and the federal level.
Speaker 12: And I think this is a once in a generation
Speaker 12: opportunity that we've got in Iowa to not just change
Speaker 12: the state, but in Trump's first midterm in Iowa, we
Speaker 12: want three of the four congressional races. We've got an
Speaker 12: amazing opportunity here to change the country just in Iowa,
Speaker 12: and I think we're going to come November, We're going
Speaker 12: to do something really special.
Speaker 10: It seems like part of what the Republicans are counting
Speaker 10: on is that not only is this a Trump state,
Speaker 10: but that the Democratic brand is so tarnished that they
Speaker 10: can overwhelm the ways in which you are unique as
Speaker 10: a candidate to try to kind of ride on the
Speaker 10: idea that like, oh, people just generally find Democrats, I
Speaker 10: don't know, annoying, whatever it might be. How much is
Speaker 10: just being a Democrat a hindrance to you? And what
Speaker 10: would you like the Democratic if you asked Iowans or
Speaker 10: the people you're trying to reach, like, what does the
Speaker 10: Democratic Party mean to you? What would you like it
Speaker 10: to be in people's minds?
Speaker 12: The reason why I'm a Democrat and what the Democratic
Speaker 12: Party means to me is because I think at its essence,
Speaker 12: it's fighting for the little guy. And so I'm always
Speaker 12: reminded of a quote from JFK where it's you know,
Speaker 12: why do you align politically the way that you do?
Speaker 12: Because I believe in looking forward, not back. Because I
Speaker 12: care about people's wages, their jobs, their healthcare, their schools,
Speaker 12: their civil rights. I think that's the essence of why
Speaker 12: I'm a Democrat, and I think that at our best,
Speaker 12: that's really who we are and what we stand for.
Speaker 12: I think that going forward, especially if we're going to
Speaker 12: win in Prairie states like Iowa, it has to be
Speaker 12: really clear that we are the party of the people,
Speaker 12: party of the middle class party of the workers. That's
Speaker 12: why I define myself as a Commons. It's pretty populist
Speaker 12: and that's certainly the way forward. We can't be the
Speaker 12: lesser of two evils. We can't just be a corporate version.
Speaker 12: Got to go out there with really, really clear ideas.
Speaker 12: And the other thing that I say, I am just
Speaker 12: absolutely laser focused on cost, corruption, kitchen table issues. That's
Speaker 12: what this election's about, the issues that apply to three
Speaker 12: point two million islands. So that's a livable wage, affordable housing,
Speaker 12: affordable healthcare, affordable pharmaceuticals, drinkable water, addressing the cancer rates,
Speaker 12: functioning public schools, infrastructure, and addressing corruption. And that's a
Speaker 12: corruption in terms of the need for campaign finance reform.
Speaker 12: But that's also going out there and talking about the
Speaker 12: need for ethics reforms, term limits, banning members of Congress
Speaker 12: from owning and trading stocks, because people like my opponent
Speaker 12: Ashley Hinson shouldn't be going up to DC and in
Speaker 12: six years becoming ten times more wealthy, or putting a
Speaker 12: provision in place where I believe that every single Member
Speaker 12: of Congress should be forced to have at least one
Speaker 12: annual town hall because I believe that members of Congress
Speaker 12: should be accountable to their constituents, to the people, not
Speaker 12: just to the billionaires, the large corporations, the donors and
Speaker 12: the lobbyist. That's what I'm focused on, and that message
Speaker 12: is clearly resonating with Islands.
Speaker 10: How much money is coming in to the state from
Speaker 10: outside groups, like how much you worried about that? And
Speaker 10: what are you like sort of what are you What
Speaker 10: can people listening do to kind of help right now?
Speaker 12: If they want to see us be able to win
Speaker 12: this US Senate race, if they care about the country,
Speaker 12: they care about addressing corruption, if they want to have
Speaker 12: somebody that's going to be in there fighting for the people,
Speaker 12: not just for the billionaires and the large corporations, certainly
Speaker 12: join us. Go to Turrek Foriowa dot Com in chip
Speaker 12: in a few dollars because I'm not taking any corporate
Speaker 12: pac money in this. Yeah, Ashley Hinson, she's sitting on
Speaker 12: already fifty million dollars between all the packs and the
Speaker 12: super pac money. The state's being flooded with it because
Speaker 12: we've got you know, congressional races and Attorney general race.
Speaker 12: It's going to be a competitive, a competitive gubernatorial race,
Speaker 12: and the Senate race. And it's funny. I was just
Speaker 12: with my parents the other day and my mom gave
Speaker 12: me a stack of mailers that she had received, and
Speaker 12: it's just you know, out of state super pac, super Pac,
Speaker 12: super Pac. So the money is there, but this is
Speaker 12: a real chance for us to have to win this
Speaker 12: and be able to change the state and change the
Speaker 12: country and have a voice in the United States Senate
Speaker 12: from Iowa like what we had for so long, for
Speaker 12: thirty years we had Senator Tom Harkin, my political hero,
Speaker 12: the father of the American Went Disabilities Act.
Speaker 5: And I believe that this.
Speaker 12: Is our opportunity to have someone in the US Senate
Speaker 12: that's going to be fighting for the people, fighting for
Speaker 12: Iowa and iowands, and fighting for social and economic justice.
Speaker 12: And these social safety nets have allowed so many of
Speaker 12: us to be successful, like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid,
Speaker 12: and not just like what Ashley Hinson has done just
Speaker 12: enriched herself and just looked out for the haves, for
Speaker 12: the billionaires in the large corporations.
Speaker 5: That's the opportunity that we've got this year in Iowa.
Speaker 10: So I married in Minnesotan, and so I have married
Speaker 10: into the best state fair in the country, but I
Speaker 10: would love to hear why the Iowa State Fair is
Speaker 10: second best.
Speaker 5: The Iowa State Fair is incredible. And have you been
Speaker 5: to the Iowa State Fair.
Speaker 10: No, I've only been to the Minnesota State Okay, well,
Speaker 10: then you've got to.
Speaker 5: Come to ours before you make a final determination.
Speaker 12: But I know that people in Minnesota will say, well,
Speaker 12: we get a few more people in the door than Iowa,
Speaker 12: so ours is better.
Speaker 5: Iowa State Fair is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 12: You've got animals from every part of the state, so
Speaker 12: many unique people, unbelievable amounts.
Speaker 5: Of crazy food.
Speaker 12: I mean I was eating a pickled pizza and deep
Speaker 12: fried oreos, I mean hot dogs, corn dogs. I had
Speaker 12: a corn dog with peanut butter and jelly on it,
Speaker 12: which honestly pretty decent. And then you've got all these
Speaker 12: games and just people from all over the state, and
Speaker 12: it's beauty and a great energy.
Speaker 5: I did my Iowa Soapbox there and.
Speaker 12: Look, there were some people there with signs it's you know,
Speaker 12: that were clearly not in favor of.
Speaker 5: Me, but they were respectful.
Speaker 12: And afterwards I heard from a lot of people it said, look, Josh,
Speaker 12: I'm an independent. I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 12: go for you, but I like what you said, I
Speaker 12: like who you are, I like what you stand for.
Speaker 12: You got my vote coming November.
Speaker 10: Here are some of the current items that you can
Speaker 10: get at the Iowa State Fair. You can get the
Speaker 10: these are all on a stick. Bacon, cheeseburger, corn dog,
Speaker 10: hot Cheetoh, mozzarella, corn dog, rattlesnake, corn dog, jumbo plumper,
Speaker 10: foot long corn hot.
Speaker 3: Dog, dilly dog.
Speaker 5: What's a dilly dog? I don't know what a dilly
Speaker 5: dog is?
Speaker 10: Chicken bacon, ranch waffle on a stick, star spangled swine,
Speaker 10: why not? That's pork belly with an apple, chipotle rub bacon,
Speaker 10: pecan pie on a stick. And finally, and this is
Speaker 10: I found mystifying something called yummy thing on a stick,
Speaker 10: no other information provided. Are you aware of what the
Speaker 10: yummy thing is and what the thing we'd be eating
Speaker 10: would be?
Speaker 12: I am not, but I will certainly be back there
Speaker 12: again a handful of times, and so I will definitely
Speaker 12: try the yummy thing on a stick. But yeah, anything
Speaker 12: on a stick and anything that can be deep fried,
Speaker 12: we've got it there at the Iowa State Fair.
Speaker 5: It really is.
Speaker 12: It's it's just absolutely incredible. I've loved it, and I
Speaker 12: was also able to clean them out of a few
Speaker 12: stuffed animals that I end up giving to my wife.
Speaker 5: With the shooting games, which I was proud of.
Speaker 10: Coming like a ringer, I will say a little disappointing
Speaker 10: to see that asa e bowls and could praise a
Speaker 10: salad on a stick made it onto the venue.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 10: The socialists must be stopped. But shrimp corn dog was
Speaker 10: listed as a health food, which I think is actually
Speaker 10: kind of makes me. That makes me feel America's going
Speaker 10: to be okay. Yeah, I did want to ask. You
Speaker 10: talked about being bullied.
Speaker 3: As a kid.
Speaker 10: Have any of the people that to the point where
Speaker 10: you almost or you did leave school?
Speaker 5: You almost left school in sixth grade.
Speaker 12: I left public school and went to a small private
Speaker 12: school that my aunt was running. Only had a handful
Speaker 12: of kids in there, eight nine kids. And then I
Speaker 12: went back and finished public school. I went back for
Speaker 12: for high school.
Speaker 10: Have you ever heard from any of the kids that
Speaker 10: bullyed you? Have you ever seen them again? Now that
Speaker 10: you've kind of risen.
Speaker 5: I've run into a handful of them.
Speaker 12: Look, when it's tough growing up disabled, it's tough growing
Speaker 12: up in the kind of economic situation that I grew
Speaker 12: up in. I have run into a few of them.
Speaker 12: I don't hold it against them. You know, you're young,
Speaker 12: You're a kid. We all make mistakes when we're that young.
Speaker 12: They were probably going through a lot themselves. But I
Speaker 12: will say this, I certainly would never want to go
Speaker 12: through again what I went through. I mean, the twenty
Speaker 12: one surgeris by the age of twelve, I spent a
Speaker 12: lot of time up at Shriner's Hospital by myself.
Speaker 5: You know, full body cast.
Speaker 12: You can imagine a full body cast as a kid
Speaker 12: in the summer heat in Iowa with the humidity, and
Speaker 12: we didn't have air conditioning through the whole house, so
Speaker 12: you're taking a hangar just to try to it yourself.
Speaker 12: So I went through some really, really tough times. But
Speaker 12: what I believe is those that come out of that
Speaker 12: sort of circumstance, I believe that it creates a mental
Speaker 12: strength and a character that can't be broken. And I
Speaker 12: think it has uniquely prepared me well.
Speaker 5: For what this is.
Speaker 12: I say to people all the time, They'll say, Josh,
Speaker 12: thanks for running, thanks for what you're doing. I know
Speaker 12: how hard this is and I say, this is really
Speaker 12: really difficult. A life of hard things, including winning gold medals.
Speaker 12: This is harder than winning gold medals. But I say,
Speaker 12: this is not the hardest thing that I've gone through.
Speaker 12: And the thing for me is, because I have gone
Speaker 12: through the level of economic struggle and healthcare struggle, I
Speaker 12: have a different level of empathy and a different level
Speaker 12: of fight, and I think, I really do believe to
Speaker 12: my core that is what is missing in DC. We've
Speaker 12: got seventy three millionaires in DC, A lot of people
Speaker 12: that have come from privilege. You don't have a lot
Speaker 12: of people that have had to worry about missing a meal,
Speaker 12: keeping a roof of bother head, or healthcare struggles, you know,
Speaker 12: like oh, you know, where's my direct care worker going
Speaker 12: to come from? Medicaid wait lists things like that, And
Speaker 12: this is what we're missing. And I know I have
Speaker 12: that fight, yeah, that fight for the people because I've
Speaker 12: gone through that. I've experienced that same struggle myself.
Speaker 10: Think having spina bifita puts you at an unfair disadvantage
Speaker 10: for dealing with spineless politicians.
Speaker 5: I've never heard that one before.
Speaker 12: You know, I'll say this that there has been very
Speaker 12: little representation from the disabled population at every level of government,
Speaker 12: that's at the local, the state, and certainly at the federal.
Speaker 12: There are very few with congenital disabilities. You can imagine
Speaker 12: if you're blind or death, there's a communication barrier's nearly
Speaker 12: impossible to overcome. Same with intellectual disabilities. So you're left
Speaker 12: with a small subsegment of individual with physical disabilities. And
Speaker 12: I'm not up there to represent just the disabled population,
Speaker 12: but I do believe that my background and experience of
Speaker 12: everything that I've gone through makes me a much better legislator,
Speaker 12: and I think that's what's sorely missing in DC. And
Speaker 12: I'm ready to go up there and fight for the people,
Speaker 12: the people of Iowan, Iowa and Iowan's because everywhere I'm going,
Speaker 12: people are hurting in their struggling and I've felt that struggle.
Speaker 5: I've felt that pain.
Speaker 12: And we shouldn't be living in the richest country on
Speaker 12: Earth and this unbelievable level of wealth divide that we're
Speaker 12: experiencing right now. We're billionaires and you know, people like
Speaker 12: Elon Musk and the levels of what they're paying on
Speaker 12: their taxes, and you know, things like Social Security, etc.
Speaker 5: There's a whole lot that we can do.
Speaker 10: Josh Shurek, thanks so much for your time, good to talk.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having good luck. I appreciate it.
Speaker 12: We've got to go to Turk Foriowa dot Com.
Speaker 5: Help us out. We really do.
Speaker 12: We've got a once in a generation here opportunity to
Speaker 12: change the state and change the country, and with everyone's help,
Speaker 12: we're going to be able to do something really special
Speaker 12: come November.
Speaker 2: Thanks to Josh Turk for coming on. Dan, we'll be
Speaker 2: back on Sunday. You're going to talk to Danielle Butterfield,
Speaker 2: who's the executive director of Priorities USA, that's the big
Speaker 2: Democratic super pac, and I think you're going to talk
Speaker 2: to her all about how Democrats can get their message
Speaker 2: out to a lot of voters who just don't pay
Speaker 2: that close attention to politics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Danielle's one of the smartest strategists in our party,
Speaker 3: and they have done deep research on how swing voters,
Speaker 3: the voters we need most, are actually getting their information
Speaker 3: and they have all She has a lot of really
Speaker 3: interesting thoughts about how to how to get them, get
Speaker 3: the message to them, and how we can begin to
Speaker 3: win the fight in the twenty twenty eight election.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm really looking forward to that conversation. Everyone
Speaker 2: check it out and have a good weekend.
Speaker 3: Hi everyone.
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