Speaker 1: Tonight's guests include looking back on the life that you leave.
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around through the crate, the feeling go the fire you
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and no one cares where he's coming from. My ears
are string and feeding.
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no be no world get lancers.
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Speaker 1: Hosts Doug high Check and Jeff Corella Jr.
Speaker 8: And here we are Hello, Hello Jeff Perilla better known
as Hello all of the untoldi ens. And happy birthday.
Yeah see mhm we were paying attention here. Ah, I
just gotta take a nice deep breath. I got into
the studio and of course turned the lights on. Both
of them burned out timing the timing. So anyhow, I
found some ring lights and we're still going. Yeah, we
always figured out we have a pretty powerful lineup tonight.
I think we have a guest Mike Mullen. I'm not
sure if it's Mullen's or just Mike Mullen. I think
Mike Mullen, and he is going to be sharing multiple
encounters during his childhood that are really amazing and they
tie into something that me and David are. David Ellis
another guests tonight are studying, and then we're supposed to
be joined also by Managa Hala, another sound expert who
I don't I don't believe he's done any other broadcasts.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure. Yeah, and we haven't had him on
for sure before. I know that.
Speaker 8: No, No, we never have. No, I don't think he's
done any David nod your head if you think Monoga
Haill has done podcasts. Yes, oh, okay, not many though
I've never seen one one.
Speaker 7: And then, uh, what else do we have?
Speaker 8: We're going to be diving in other new territories that
sound tonight, and then we've got a regular features, got.
Speaker 7: A tech breakdown break in a while.
Speaker 8: No, it's been a little while. Well, they're hard to
you know.
Speaker 7: You can't come up.
Speaker 8: With an endless amount of technology to throw at this mystery.
It is somewhat limited. But when the new things pop
up and I hear about new things, or I get
an idea and then look it up and find out,
oh that is the thing, we'll share it. Yeah, it's
kind of cool and we're gonna skip clip picked tonight
because we have such a full show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot to talk about, a lot to talk about.
Speaker 8: So yeah, yeah, get into that comfy chair. Unlike me,
we had to turn lights up. You need to turn
yours down. Grab that comfy chair. You got to remove
the dog from the chair of the cat, take their chair.
You can put them on your lap. Grab a billow,
grab your grab your favorite snack beverage, demo lights and
buckle in. I guess for maybe, I kind of it's
gonna get a little chilly tonight with what we're going
to be talking about.
Speaker 7: Speaking of, we got snow here last night. What yes
is going on?
Speaker 8: Okay, so we've gone from the pig pong weather. We've
got eighties one day, and then I looked out the
window last night and there was snow on the ground.
We still have snow. I mean some of it's melted,
a lot of it as but there's still snow out there.
And it's going to be in the eighties again this week.
Speaker 7: I'm sure ready for springing summer. I don't like these contrasts.
Speaker 8: So anyway, Well, this is episode two ninety four. Let's
get it underway, Jeff.
Speaker 7: I think we should probably do some weird and fast
news first. What do you think?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a really good pick.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're brilliant.
Speaker 5: Let's do it.
Speaker 7: Why not help some weird fastness. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: It's time for weird and fast knees.
Speaker 8: Oh should we do it really fast? Okay? First off,
pretty cool. Kind of reminds me of DNA. These are
entire galaxies. They found a chain of twenty length in
their linked galaxies, says Astronomers have identified massive structures in
deep space a chain of twenty galaxies. Now, how big
is a galaxy?
Speaker 5: Jeff?
Speaker 7: They're light years ago years across.
Speaker 8: But when you pull out like this and you look
at it through a telescope, they look small right. Instead
of these things being randomly scattered, these galaxies appear connected,
possibly tracing part of the cosmic web. The invisible structure
believed to be the shape to shape the universe. And
what makes the discovery even stranger is how organized it looks.
The alignment is tighter than expected, suggesting gravity and dark manner,
maybe structuring the universe in a more precise way. It
looks like the belt I'm wearing now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's galaxy.
Speaker 8: My galaxy, my galaxy belt. Yeah yeah, oh it's the
next Oh, this is weird. Ants apparently perform life saving
surgery on each other. Scientists have observed a species of
ants that perform amputations on injured nestmates to prevent deadly infections.
We just leave it right there, yeah, so you don't
start itching. This is when an ant is wounded. Others
access the damage and will bite off a limb if
it if it improves their survival chances. Even more impressive,
they don't do this randomly. They appear to evaluate the
injured and only act when it's beneficial. It's one of
the clearest examples of complex targeted medical behavior and insects.
Speaker 7: That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 8: Well, that is weird. Little battlefield surgeons codic gosh. Well,
I once used ants when I was in spelunking in
Belize and tore my shirt and Pete Zabrinsky said, oh,
we'll fix that right up, and he grabbed ants and
then he staple they bit the fabric held it together
and they bit it immediately, and he literally had a
bunch of ant heads holding my shirt together.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I've actually seen emergency stitches done that way using
anheads to hold. Yeah, it's you know, a cut together
on skin. Pretty amazing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well you haven't lived, you have you've been stitched
up with ant heads.
Speaker 7: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: But the way they would viciously bite the fabric, I'll
never forget that thing.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 8: Next, we have new human cell discovered during pregnant Researchers
have discovered a previously unknown type of human cell that
only appears during pregnancy. This cell helps regulate the immune system,
preventing the body from rejecting a developing fetus. The finding
could change how we understand complications like miscarriage and preclamsia.
It also highlights how the human body can temporarily create
an entirely new biological system. Unlike building a custom organ
or pregnancy and then removing it afterwards. And did you
know of the latest discovery that's kind of linked to
fetuses And I didn't know this until yesterday, that they
are discovering that human urine has tons of stem cells.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 8: Okay, like twenty thousand stem cells. But anyhow, and the
reason it's in the urine, I guess it's because when
a baby's in the womb, it's urinating and a lot
of it escapes into the into the uh oh, sure,
this internal system and they end up drinking it and
breathing it in and it helps them develop their organs,
the urine does. So they looked at it and they
found all these stem cells. They said that there could
be up to twenty thousand dollars in stem cells in
every urination.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, depending on obviously, and who you are. I'm sure
I'm down to fifty bucks about twenty. But anyhow, I
just did something new I heard yesterday and I went, oh,
that is really promising, And apparently they can culture. If
you can't take your urine, don't do this, don't try
this at all. Take your urine and you can culture
it and.
Speaker 7: I play the disclaimer first before you act.
Speaker 8: You can culture urine stem cells and they multiply in
the urine after it's out of you. That's so then
I could get mine from fifty cents up to like
seventy five, about fifty if I just put it in
a in a in a bottle. There you go.
Speaker 7: So start staying, start staying at sure.
Speaker 8: Yeah, stay, stay tuned for more more, put your urine.
Speaker 7: Facts, put in your deposit box in the bank, say
for later.
Speaker 8: But no, I'm serious about the money. They said some
people are p and l up to twenty thousand dollars
in stem cells.
Speaker 7: Wow, so I don't know who show this sounds like
a good job. I should look into that.
Speaker 8: Paid to pee drink drink beer.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd be good at that job.
Speaker 8: Okay. Next, whale communication works like language. Okay, Well, the
new research shows that sperm whales communicate using clicking sounds
that follow structured patterns similar to human language. I thought
we already knew this. These clicks aren't random, They formed
sequences that may function like words or phrases. Once again,
I thought we knew this. Scientists are now investigating whether
whales have dialects or cultural variations between groups. Now, that
would be interesting if confirmed. It could mean whales possess
one of the most complex communication systems ever discovered outside YouTube.
Speaker 7: Well, I already know that orcas, killer whales do that.
There's at least five or six dialects, maybe more, really
completely different dialects. Yeah. Different. Oh, they're fascinating. Different dialects,
different diets based on their communities.
Speaker 8: Killer whales or like ones going you know how y'all
blow a hole and they have a southern one and
then they have the Fargo accent.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they do. They have different they have different dialects,
and they can't communicate with each other. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 8: All right. I wonder if dinosaurs have uh dialects. New
dinosaurs species found in the US. Paleontologists have identified a
new species of dinosaur dating back to the Triassic Period.
It's kind of where I was born, in what is
now New Mexico. These early dinosaurs were smaller and less
specialized than their later descendants. Now, Jeff, you obviously took that.
Speaker 7: Picture, yeah this morning.
Speaker 8: Yeah, these early dinosaurs were less were smaller and less
specialized than their later descendant. Each new discovery helped fill
the puzzle of how dinosaurs evolved and eventually dominated Earth.
This one shows just how experimental early dinosaur evolution really was.
So there you go. You get what feathers for. We
got a nosary and teal haird there. Oh no, it's
pretty pretty, uh pretty colorful. What are we getting next?
Scientists move closer to a diabetes cure, which is good news.
Researchers are making progress toward a potentially functional cure for
type one diabetes, focusing on restoring the body's ability. It's
probably done with urine. Everything goes full circle here and
I'm told.
Speaker 7: Do they learn it from sperm whales?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Type one diabetes focusing on restoring the body's ability
to produce insulin instead of managing the disease. It's successfully,
it's if successful. This approach could eliminate the need for
dangerous injections. It's part of a larger shift in medicine
from treating symptoms to actually reversing conditions. I won't hold
my breath.
Speaker 7: That would be something that would change a lot of lives.
Speaker 8: That would but I'm not holding my breath. Oh this
is interesting. It's just just what we need Jeff. Sand batteries. Yeah,
sand battery could be a new way to store renewable energy.
Engineers are testing a battery made from sand that stores
heat generated by renewable energy sources. The system heats sand
with energy that abundant and then releases that heat when
it's needed. Well, what kind of what are we talking here?
We're talking it looks like that bag right, giant, We're
not talking, so we're not talking. Double A's there, okay, And.
Speaker 7: I'm like, let's move on next.
Speaker 8: I like my double a's. AI surgeons are or AI
is struggling with medical imaging. Despite rapid advances. Researchers found
that AI still has limitations when analyzing medical scans like
X rays and MRIs. In some cases, it misses subtle
but critical details.
Speaker 7: Imagine that weird thought.
Speaker 8: We all know how much AI suddenly hallucinates. It's so
weird when it does. I had to tell me something
the other day that it's been doing for me forever,
and it just goes, oh, no, we can't do that.
I'm like, well, you do it all the time, and
I'm like, what's the problem. And then I just rebooted
it and it worked.
Speaker 7: Fine, which AI were you using God? I think Rock.
I made better luck with Rock than anything else. I
think Rock.
Speaker 8: Oh and by the way, my AI now talks to me.
Speaker 7: Oh, I didn't do that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh, I just start talking to me. I didn't know.
It just started talking to me. Kind of freaked me
out one day there, and I think I was What
was I doing?
Speaker 7: Oh I was?
Speaker 8: I had TV on in the background, and it was
answering the TV.
Speaker 7: Oh weird, yea, the talking on the team. I've had
some pretty wild conversations with AI. It's interesting stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, uh And says this shows that AI is
not ready to replace doctors. Instead, it's becoming a tool
that still requires human oversight, especially in high stakes field
like medicine, where accuracy is everything. Yeah, and you got
to get this next thing here, Jeff. This will keep
you see, it'll measure the stem cells. How many of that? See,
everything's tying together in full circle here.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Smart toilets are becoming health monitors. Scientists have developed AI
powered toilets that can analyze urine. See we're right back
here again, and steel for signs of disease. I don't
think i'd want that. Oh gosh, it's like, well, these
systems use sensors and imaging. Oh my god, they're gonna
take They're gonna image your your yeah steel.
Speaker 7: If AI smart enough, someday it'll be like, how did
I get this job?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Could you imagine it taking pictures of your stool? So
the system uses sensors and imaging to detect conditions like dehydration, infections,
and even cancer markers. The goal is passive health monitoring.
They just want to steal the stem cells. Probably, I
want to see it's a plot turning everyday routines into
diagnostic tools. It may sound strange, but this kind of
technology could catch health problems earlier than ever before, potentially
saving lives.
Speaker 7: There we go, o, god, enough about urine.
Speaker 8: That Yeah that came up like three times, this fact
to the way.
Speaker 7: I think it's time for a weird fact of the week. Yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 1: It's now time for untold radio weird fact to the
week that is kind of weird.
Speaker 8: Sorry it's good, I got busted, didn't I delightful?
Speaker 7: Yeah it's okay, it's really good.
Speaker 8: Ice cold? Oh what do we have here this week?
I like this how your body replaces itself, And I
think your skeleton replaces itself every ten years. You had
a brand new skeleton. Jeff, what if it's different?
Speaker 7: It is, you're not the same person when you were born.
That's true. All your almost, all your cells are replaced almost.
Speaker 8: It says your body is constantly rebuilding itself in ways
most people never realize. Your skin replaces itself every few weeks.
That's free. I don't even believe it. Every few weeks.
You haven't, no, see, it messes up on medical stuff.
They just talked about that.
Speaker 7: But it does replace itself. That's true.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well I know it doesn't. But every few weeks.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's right.
Speaker 8: Where do we have like an Edgar suit that we
wear and we just don't zip it. It says your
gutlining every few days, and even your bones are slowly
renewed over time, In fact, within seven to ten years.
Hang on, hang on, I gotta hit the Burt button. Burton, Now,
I'm good, it says the Uh. It's like your body
is quietly remodeling itself NonStop, piece by piece. But here's
where it gets strange. Your brain doesn't follow the same rules.
Most of the neurons, the cells that store your memories, personality,
and identity stay with you for life where it comes.
I did my booke, I knew it was gone. Do
you see how polight that burke was? It was more like.
Speaker 7: I was like that.
Speaker 8: Let's see here what else it says? That means parts
of your brain I have been there since childhood, holding
on to your experiences, while the rest of your body
has been completely swapped out. So there you go, Jeff,
you got an old freaking brain.
Speaker 7: Used.
Speaker 8: We can renew it with some of those year year
and your your addicts.
Speaker 7: Themselves all start. I'll start saving.
Speaker 8: Saving Yeah, oh yeah, I get yourself. Get yourself a
big you know, one of those big fleet farm storage tank.
Speaker 7: Yeah, start saving it? Sure? Why not?
Speaker 8: Oh my god? What do we want to do next?
Who are we in the background? Oh we have Michael, Yeah,
we have David. Let's do tech breakdown real quick and
then we'll bring David and Michael on.
Speaker 7: I used the cockpit financial co. All right, tech breakdown
here we go, And tonight we're going to.
Speaker 8: Talk about Lola, not Laura. Laura. Right, did you get
a chance to read this about Laura?
Speaker 7: It did? It's pretty cool.
Speaker 8: All right, So what we're gonna talk tonight is about
a mesh node kit. Okay, Now what would you want
a mesh node kit for? They as they call it,
mesh tastic node kit, right, meshtastic. But what this is
for is monitoring. Okay, this is for like, if you
are working with a bunch of researchers and you've got
a big track land and you want to track movement.
This could do it. You literally could get alerts on
all of the movement of these creatures through all sorts
of sensors that these you know, fifty dollars nodes can
attach to from thermal cams, pr sensors, audio recorders that
can record and notify you of you know, any weird
abnormal sounds like wood knocking. It could be a lot
of weird things. So these aren't real terribly cheap. But
I mean, you got to buy this sensors, you got
to buy the nodes. But the main thing I want
to do is just anybody interested, Like Area Acts would
be a great.
Speaker 7: Example, Yeah, perfect place for it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, perfect place for a system like this. Then they
may already be using something, you know, I would figure
they are probably, but it can provide a lot of
data on animal movement, and I believe because you can
even hook thermal cameras. I mean, you can do some
amazing monitoring remotely because they talk to satellites. That's what's cool.
You don't need wireless so you don't have to worry
about that. Everything satellite. So you have to get a
you know, a subscription to the satellite service. You've got
to pick out your sensors and you're going to use
a whole bunch. But for about two to three grand,
you can have a system, a mesh system with you know,
ten nodes running.
Speaker 7: So it's kind of cool, really cool.
Speaker 8: And let me I should probably read little damn. No,
it's not really neat. It's not that complicated.
Speaker 7: Brandon just texted me he's got us. He's got one
of these setups. We can quiz, we can have a watch. Yeah,
we can quiz him about it. He's got one.
Speaker 8: He does. Yeah, wow, Well good for you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they did.
Speaker 8: They call it a mesh network. But you can you
can hook cameras, d DNA sampling. They're literally these things
are adaptable to DNA sampling machines, thermal cams, acoustic sensors,
and pir.
Speaker 7: Yeah, set up, he's got a setup for cameras and communication,
so very cool. Yeah, so you can have kind of
communication network independent of cell network. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 8: But at forty to fifty bucks for a node, it's
not that much money. They have, you know, low power
use because they're not like using batteries all the time.
They can last up to a year the battery in
each one of these notes. Obviously less time if it's cold, right, Yeah,
But that's it. That's all I wanted to talk about.
Just get the name out there and maybe you could
copy and paste the actual serial number Jeff from your
notes and then people can refer back to chat or
you can even put it.
Speaker 7: In the comments of the of the of the unit.
Speaker 8: The ESPO l O R a meschantastic node kit. They
also call it.
Speaker 7: I love their names, meshnology, metastic. Yeah, that's mesology.
Speaker 8: That's a new word. All right. Of that crap is
they say on the Untold Radio Network and time again,
I am ready to bring uh David.
Speaker 7: Ready for David to come.
Speaker 8: On, Michael and we can bring on Monoga hala two.
Speaker 7: All right, you go on to intro real quick.
Speaker 8: Do you want me to intro though, I'll intro have
do you bring him on?
Speaker 7: Okay, well here here, come, here, they all come. Welcome David, Welcome, Michael,
and welcome. I'm might try to monoga hala, thank you,
Hey everybody?
Speaker 8: Hey, so can we call you by your first name?
Speaker 5: Monoga hala?
Speaker 8: Oh? Hi Den? Oh are you?
Speaker 7: It's good to see you again.
Speaker 8: All right. So Devon is a sound expert and as
I remember, Devin spent a lot of time with David.
Correct David, and tell you your craft in sound analysis
and spectagram. Uh and I don't know what else God knows.
So what I want you to do, Devon before we
get because this is all going to tie together, all
you guys to tie together. And Hi, Mike, is really
good to see you.
Speaker 7: And Mike, I think your mic is muted.
Speaker 8: I see the mute.
Speaker 7: It's not muted on my end. I don't think.
Speaker 9: There you go, Doug.
Speaker 10: I don't want to hijack the show, but I.
Speaker 9: Wish I was muted. I'm going to go.
Speaker 10: Devin has got some expert credentials which we, as most
researchers in the Bigfoot community do not have. And that
is what really attracted me to to Devin. He's on
par with Scott Nelson as far as the moniker crypto linguist,
but Devon went through a different training methodologies and he
can go into that, but he's an expert where I'm
just an observer and I have to run it by
the expert, which I have done over the last sixteen years.
Devon's really took me under his wing and kind of
really taught me the ropes. I know, don't shake your hand.
Speaker 5: You really helped me get started in this line of research.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but it was your expertise that carried the day.
So I just wanted to get that out there that
you know, he's not going to pat hisself on the back,
but I'm going to pat him on the back.
Speaker 5: So it's teamwork.
Speaker 8: So I have a feeling, Devon that David polluted your
mind with mysterious creatures running around in the forest, right.
Speaker 11: Not really, I'm actually I was kind of drawn a
little bit to the potential of bigfoot before I met
David a couple of years before, and I started doing
a little of my own research and it led me
into audio analysis and and I just happened to come
across David and he had a great collection of recordings
that he gave me access to early on and I
was able to use that as part of my research project.
Speaker 8: Yeah, David, you're up to about.
Speaker 10: Oh gosh, plus a lot more than that. That was
a couple of years ago, but a lot of it.
A lot of the files are repeated, but I still
have thousands that are individual and I still have long
term recordings. Most of what you've seen are just clips,
but I've got recordings that were done throughout the night.
Speaker 8: Yeah, your master you have the master files?
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, And UH ran across Devon through the bf
R O. We were both in the bf R O
at the at the same time, and I started listening
to some of the things that Devon was saying and
so I thought, I wonder if he'd be interested in
a few clips, So I sent him his way and yeah,
he was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8: Very interesting. Can you tell us anything about your job,
devn that you had.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, sure.
Speaker 11: And if you've heard anything about Scott Nelson and I
were basically in the same career path, although Scott was
an officer in the Navy, UH and a crypto linguist
for the MAYBE and I believe he did a full
thirty year career. I was a crypto linguist, not an officer.
I was enlisted in the Air Force and I just
did seven years in the Air Force as a crypto linguist.
But we both go to the same training school. Back
then it was the Defense Language Institute out in Monterey, California.
That school's no longer where all the training happens. But
in that career field, you're trained in the foreign language,
you're trained in audio and collection and analysis skills.
Speaker 5: And where I went through and iren't learned one language.
Speaker 11: And then spent you know, six years working in the
field in the Air Force doing that job as a
crypto linguist, Scott learned I believe, five languages and did
that for his most of his career. I would assume
in the Navy over his thirty year career. And that's
what we have in common, and that's really the nut
of what our basic skills are built upon. And when
I left the Air Force in nineteen ninety one, I
set those skills aside. I went off became a defense
contractor on computer systems. Engineering have been for decades and
I did not even think about audio analysis or linguistics
for a couple of decades. Really and it wasn't until
about two thousand and eight when I was just going
through the internet I came across the bfro's website and
I saw I had a collection of audio that they
ascribed to being Sasquatch vocalizations. I thought, okay, I'll listen
to these, and just going through it, I can tell
you know, there are a few things in the here
I do not think are Sasquatch.
Speaker 5: And it piqued my interest.
Speaker 11: Enough and that, you know, I reached out a hold
of a couple of investigators. I had actually had my
own strange encounter while camping in the forest in the nineties,
and I reported that to the BFRO. They showed some
interest in me and it kind of built into a relationship,
and through that relationship I started to do research, not
so much in the reports that people were providing to
the DFRO, but in the audio captures that the BFRO
had and that other captures that were coming in. And
through that chain of events, I met David and he
gave me this catalog of audio. I got really serious
about researching the audio and doing different types of analysis
on it to try to prove one way or the other,
is there something out there unknown to us that's making
these sounds or these sounds coming from animals that we
already know.
Speaker 8: Have you come to a percentage conclusion that's you know
that you can put into any kind of terms that
we can understand. Devin on whether these things are real
or not real in your opinion.
Speaker 11: Sure, my opinion strictly, and I won't put a number
on it, but I'm convinced they exist. And it's not
just because of the audio. Because I became a BFR investigator,
I started doing expeditions. I did my own solo expeditions
at times, and I was able to validate some of
the things that I've been hearing from the community. And
then I had more events, you know, and more things
occur that we're in sync with what others were observing.
And I think one of the things that really sealed
it for me is I learned how to mimic their
calls closely that I could actually get a return response
from them. And I'm not talking about those big moan
hows that people like to do. I highly discourage doing that.
Speaker 8: Right, Do you have any I don't want to interrupt you,
but do you have any things that you've heard Devin,
that you kind of keep to yourself.
Speaker 7: You don't even want them out there.
Speaker 8: Some features, some some little thing that's you know, your
property that you can use to identify sounds other sounds.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there are a few features that we as there's
a small group of us who are really into this
type of audio analysis, and I've recognized a few features
that are recurring in what I call high probability sasquatchvcalizations,
and we keep those close to our chest because us
there's a lot of hoaxers out there, and I've received
innumerable numbers of hoaxed audio clips over the years, and
I realized quickly that if we shared everything that we've
learned with the world, people would quickly master those signals,
those authenticators, and we'd start hearing authenticating signals in hoaxed audio.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, we don't.
Speaker 11: We don't share everything that we've learned. We have learned
some things that are very consistent patterns, and that's what
helps us differentiate between this is quite possibly a sasquats
versus a coyote or a wolf or things like that.
Speaker 8: Well, one question, and maybe you're the one to ask.
Like the whales, they said they've detected in killer whales dialect.
Has there ever been anything like that at all? From
you know, a Southern bigfoot to a Canadian big for
that you've detected like it's similar but different, and you've
seen consistent patterns.
Speaker 11: There are certain things that are very common and then
certain things that are unique. And I'll say the common
signals are much more in number than the unique signals are.
For example, whoops and wood knocks occur all across the
continent from Florida to Alaska, east coast to west coast.
That's common lingua franca for the Sasquatch. In terms of
unique signals, there are places where such as in Michigan,
there's a particular type of howl that I've correlated with
two groups, two family units potential family units of Sasquatch
in the Lower Peninsula of Michigan, and that howl is
I only hear it in that area of Michigan, and
it's very unique sounding and I've never heard it from
any other recordings anywhere across North America. So there may
be little local signals that the local groups use, and
then there are definitely those signals that are used, you know, nationwide.
Speaker 10: David just just a little bit added to it. There's
certain variations within like a whoop. You might hear something
with a whoop and a wood knock that are paired together.
They're obviously paired together in this specific group that you're studying,
but it's not everywhere else. And then there's just the
variation of the whoop itself. There's a double whoops and
sounds that are amalgamated, if you will, just a little
bit different tenor Most whoops are in a high pitch,
but I've got some recordings that are in a very
low pitch. So just variations, and that to me means
we're dealing with something that's physically real, and we're not
dealing with something that is, because if it was made up,
it would everything would be absolutely on the same. A
woodknock would sound like two baseball bats being struck together
all the time and they're not.
Speaker 8: Okay, Well I've got it, okay. So here's a question
everybody always says bigfoot anecdotal anecdotal anecdotal anecdotal is are
these sound recordings more than anecdotal evidence? In other words,
is it possible through consistent, distinct, non identifiable recordings we
could get closer to proving those creatures exist.
Speaker 9: The Devin, I think it already has been We just
everybody ignores it. Yeah, I think that's the question doesn't
even need to be asked. Yeah, it's already been proven.
People just ignore it like they ignore everything else exactly
when you we don't even need to ask that question.
It's already been taking care.
Speaker 11: But out of respect to Dune's question, I do have
an answer for that. And there are many things that
we that we know or can know through the inference
of evidence supporting the existence of that right. And and
that's what we learned as crypto linguists is that you
don't need to see it to know that it's there.
If it gives off the signal, that signal can be
indicate indicative of its presence. And so when you're talking
about something that you have precious little visual evidence for,
like the sasquatch, you have to build up a case
and in this case, a lexicon for the existence of
that thing. All creatures, I shouldn't say all, but most
creatures communicate for the purpose of reproduction, safety, gathering, food,
what have you, and the sasquatch should be no different
from that. So Working from that hypothesis, the sasquatch needs
to communicate. Communication happens through a series of well known
signals between members of a group. Those signals collectively are
called lexicon. So early on in my research, I realized, Okay,
there has to be a lexicon here. Let's spend time
studying and focusing on what that is. Over the years,
I've been able to build up a lexicon of somewhere
between twenty and twenty four signals or characters, features that
I expect to hear at some point in these analyzes. Wow,
it's come to a point for me where I was
listening to audio and I was like, well, this could
possibly be. But I needed sort of a litmus test.
So I came up with what I call the rule
of three, and I applied for myself. I need to
hear three elements of that lexicon in a recording before
I can say, okay, that's a high probability sasquats vocal.
If I hear two elements, it's okay, it's just maybe strong.
Speaker 7: Maybe.
Speaker 5: If I hear one element, it's like a possible, but
who knows.
Speaker 11: And that rule of three has worked out for me
very well over the years.
Speaker 10: Devin, you taught me early on in sound analysis the
utilization of a spectrogram, and the spectrogram to me is
what is the fingerprint of sound, if you will, that
identifies the subject that we are, that we suspect it
could be birds make a specific signature. Everything has their
own look, so sasquatches in certain sounds have a familiar look.
Devon can look at a audio clip in a spectrogram
and see like four or five distant whoops that nobody
heard on the recording, and go, there's a whoop. So
I think, Devin, that's correct. Me if I'm wrong, but
that's when people send you audio, you're looking just as
much as you are listening.
Speaker 11: Yes, the spectrogram is an essential tool for analyzing audio,
and what it basically does is it tunes your ears
in even closer to what's going on in clip, because
not only do you hear what's happening, but you actually
see what's happening in the spectrogram. And so there will
be subtle signals in the background of an audio clip
that your ears wouldn't normally pick up on and focus
on because we naturally just listen for the loudest thing
in the room. But a spectrogram can show you, you
know what, there's a little signal right there. It shows
up as a bright spot in the spectrogram. Let me
loop over that and listen to it.
Speaker 9: Spectrogram doesn't also put it into a different level from
a known animal, where it could be higher and the lower.
Speaker 11: And that's a really good that's a good question because
it's a common fallacy that people believe.
Speaker 5: Folks like to believe that different animals.
Speaker 11: Vocalize in different frequency ranges, different bands.
Speaker 9: Not true at all.
Speaker 11: Yeah, our frequency ranges all overlap, okay, And basically the
human auditory system is from as low as eighty herd
to as high as god I forget the top end,
but it's well above the bird whistling registers. It's quite high.
And you know, David, maybe you remember what it is.
But the majority of human vocalizations occur between I want
to say, on the low end around three hundred hertz,
maybe a little lower up to falsettos, which are around
eleven hundred hertz, and most vocalizers, animals, humans, what have
you also vocalize in that range. Now, they may be
more comfortable in different parts of the range, but you know,
we have everything from very low end singers, you know,
deep bass baritone voices all the way up to falsettos.
Just in the human species. Other animals are capable of
that too.
Speaker 8: Well, have two questions for you guys. Is there any
way to tell vocal cord length based on any of
the recordings that you guys hear, and do any of
them come out bigger? You know, as holy crap? You
can tell the weight like this came from an eight
hundred pound animal versus two hundred pound man. Is that
anything that you guys can detect or no?
Speaker 10: The answer is yes and no. I don't have the.
Speaker 8: Software, okay, but there is software.
Speaker 9: Yes.
Speaker 10: I think John Andrews had some of his long distance
howls put through some tests and they were outside certain parameters,
but they weren't using a spectrogram to identify those. They
had certain cues that they were looking for in their
own specific software. I can't tell you what that software is,
but it is something that higher education community does you
realize you know?
Speaker 11: Well, no, I don't know that specifically, but I can
give you some advice that's more accessible to the layman.
There's this concept in communications, vocal communications called I believe
it's conservation of energy or conservation of effort, and it
has to do basically with the efficiency with which a
voice can project over distance. Okay, the size of the
animal has a direct effect on the size of the
vocal cord or the or the sound reproduction. Smaller animals
have smaller vocal cords, which generally are vocal folds, which
generally create a higher pitch, and large animals have a
much larger resonant cavity to make sound with, and so
they create a much deeper pitch. Think of a bull
very big body capable of very deep sounds, and elephant
tremendously sized body, very deep sounds. A songbird very small body,
very high pitched sounds. So that's why when we hear
big dogs barking, they have a deeper bark than a
little chihuahua has a higher pitch bark. So that's just
a truism across you know, sound production. And in that regard,
you can tell something about the size of a vocalizer
based on the general pitch or the general range that
it's vocalizing in.
Speaker 9: I think also the length too, well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, in terms of lung capaccity, I agree.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, let's just I want to kind of switch
back and forth to show a little more interesting.
Speaker 10: It to me.
Speaker 8: You didn't we we talked on the phone. Is that correct?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, When about your encounters? Do you want to just
start the the uh, the encounter stories of what happened
when you were young.
Speaker 9: And when when I when I was young and might
have kind of continued over the years like as they
normally do. Yeah, yeah, I was pretty young. We had
uh we moved out in the middle of nowhere and
uh we had we had a big, big foot that
was not very happy with us and came to my
window over and over and over again. And uh, but
it would make this low noise, kind of like sticking
your head into beehive, and uh the buzz, yeah buzz.
My I would hear My dog would hear it. My
I had a big, big Saint Bernard, and they would
climb up on my bed and lay across my belly,
and so I wouldn't move, and uh, it would come
to my window. But it kind of made me feel calm.
It was kind of strange, and I kind of put
it off as kind of a dream over the years,
until my dad started talking about the counters when I
got a little bit older, and then I uh got here,
I heard a few more encounters of people having the
same thing, and uh then I knew what it was,
and it was but it was strange. But I've never
quite heard the same thing even in all the recordings
that I've heard.
Speaker 8: Well what okay, so you were you would hear the
sound and then what would happen more details.
Speaker 9: I would always hear it before it was not happy,
so it came around and kind of raised hell. It
would bang on the house, break limbs off the trees.
But I would hear the noise before that started, and
it would kind of call me. And then when it
was kind of done raising hell, it would end up
at my window. And but I wasn't scared, didn't bother me,
and uh after I left, I just went to sleep.
It was just it was kind of like a really
it was like I said, just like putting your head
in a beehive.
Speaker 8: Could you do a comparison, Mike about like hummingbirds, hummingbird waitings.
I'm sure you've heard many humming birds.
Speaker 9: It was kind of close to that, but it was
more like a beehive. It was just it was just
like putting. If you had a big beehive that somebody
start up, you put your ear to it. That's what
it sounded.
Speaker 8: Like, like like a plural, like there were more than
one bee.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was very Yeah. It was close
to the ones that that I've heard, but this was
it was not as low tone and and and it
never never stopped. It just always kept going. It would
never started and stopped. It just it was constant.
Speaker 8: All right, Then what did you end up seeing out
of all these.
Speaker 9: O it would always show open my window. It was
a big big head, that was about it. Yeah, and
with eyes and yeah, I was, yeah, I was. I
can't even tell you how many times it happened, but happened.
Speaker 7: Over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 9: But because of that noise, it just it didn't scare me,
and that never bothered me. It was just kind of different.
Speaker 8: Does anybody here know why a hum or, a buzz
buzz like that would calm a person.
Speaker 9: David, I've heard it on. Only a reason why I
bring it up because I heard a couple of encounters.
One was a lady that was sitting by a creek
and a bigfoot with a baby came down to the
creek to get a drink of water and was making
a noise that sounded like a like a bee, right,
And when I heard that encounter store, I went, holy crap. Okay,
now I know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so.
Speaker 10: There is a known fact and psychology and studied this
that humming will produce serotonin and dopamine, and what that
combination does is create a calming effect. So that's if
you want to know what the what the reason for
this is. Mike stated, it calmed him. I would like
to also point out that he had a huge Saint
Bernard dog and if anybody knows about Saint Bernard's there
aren't protective.
Speaker 7: She was.
Speaker 9: She was my protector.
Speaker 10: Yeah so she you said that, Mike, correct me if
I'm wrong, but she would lay on you in these circumstances.
So there was. Yeah, so there was something going on
I think with this particular sound. Now what's also interesting,
Mike is you said that it was continuous.
Speaker 9: It didn't stop, didn't stop.
Speaker 10: So you know we all have to take a breath, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, this did not think of breath. It's like those
videos you just sent me those So this.
Speaker 10: Kind of kind of falls within the line of what
doctor melderm was proffering that some of these long distance
vocalizations that sasquatches seem to produce are at great volume
and lots of air, but they go for a long
period of time, and suggesting that they have fully developed
air sacks, which we have we had at one time,
but we only have remnants now. But that gives them
the bit it's like a bagpipe where you can take
in air and squeeze air out in another format or
a way of doing it so that they could have
a continuous sound.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I agree, and I think it's kind of
strange that at one time they want to kind of
raise hell, but the second time they want to make
sure that the younger ones aren't uncomfortable. Yeah, which tells
me something actually cares.
Speaker 8: Did you ever see the creature in the window and
hear the buzzing?
Speaker 9: Yeah all the time.
Speaker 8: So okay, so the relationship between the buzzing and the creature,
you're very positive absolutely they were connected.
Speaker 9: Yeah, oh yeah. It would always start about ten minutes
before it would shopen my window, and then when it
left it would stop.
Speaker 8: Well, David, we just heard that showney story. They would
hear the buzz and then they would put food out
for the subsquatches, which is pretty incredible.
Speaker 10: Now we we have a tie to that through John Mayanzinski,
So we need to do a little bit of homework
because somewhere along the line somebody said that John is
aware of this humming sound. Yeah, so I would like
to hear it from him firsthand.
Speaker 8: No, now, Devin, you've had just literally, you know, we
just kind of dumped on you some of these sounds.
I don't know if you've had any thoughts on them
at all yet, or you're planning on holding any comments
until the future.
Speaker 11: Well, in my experience and based on the conversation we've had,
I've not heard anything quite like what Mike's describing, you know,
the beehive type sound, especially not in an ongoing fashion.
What I've heard is something or the closest I've heard
of that is something that sounds much like a zipper.
And I've picked these up a number of times, not
just myself, a number of other people have sent me
clips that have what I've come to call a zipper
vocal in them. I believe it's some kind of a
vocalization and it's very unique. In fact, I think. I
shared an audio video clip with Jeff earlier that has
an example of a zipper vocal in it, and one
interesting observation that I've made of all the zipper vocalizations
I've studied over the years, and this goes back to
two thousand and eight when I started this research. They're
always captured when there's somebody with a recorder going and
they're out in the forest and there's potentially a sasquatch nearby,
and so the sasquatch is observing the person. Then we
capture these zipper vocals at times, but David and I
and others also leave these long duration recorders out in
the forest for weeks and weeks on end. I've never
on a zipp or vocal when it was just a
recorder alone in the woods.
Speaker 8: You're you're, You're pretty confident it has something to do
with the you know, the the people that they're seeing
and there. Maybe it's even a word or a vocal
to describe people.
Speaker 11: Correct, Yeah, just entertaining the idea. Maybe it's their nickname
for us. They call us zippers or whatever.
Speaker 9: I get it in my house my house, I I
get mouth pops. People call them tree knocks, but they're
not their mouthpops moths. I get them a lot. They're
very loud, they're not tree knocks their mouth pops and
I get them all the time, and they they kind
of sound like a tree knock, but they're not. When
you hear them close, then you figure out that they're
not a tree pop. There. It's crazy and they're soul loud,
and I get the baby crying if I have kids
in my backyard, which is which is kind of strange.
It actually is so strange it freaks out the kids.
Speaker 11: Let me just interject real quick, if I could, I
see a number of people in the chat who have
recordings like Kaiju Ninja eighty five, just so they've got
Zipper recordings. If there's anyone in the chat that has
a recording and they'd like to get a second opinion
on it, I'd invite them to contact me by email.
And uh, I don't know if we can stick it
in the show notes or what, but my email is
Mangahela at gmail dot com.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Jeff, Jeff has I'll tell you.
Speaker 9: I'd like to hear one of those. I might have
heard them. I just have to ignored it.
Speaker 5: You never know.
Speaker 11: Yeah, they're They're very so hard to pick up. And
in fact, I've been hearing them for years in recordings
that didn't realize it. It wasn't until I finally realized, Hey,
there's a strange zipper like sound in there. And then
I started going back through old recordings and I realized, Wow,
this occurs every time there's somebody with a recorder in
the field, like.
Speaker 9: A metal.
Speaker 11: No, if anything, it sounds like a tent zipper being open. Yeah,
similar to that, but some of them are very deep
pitched as well. And I did send Jeff a link.
Speaker 8: Do you want to play a zipper?
Speaker 7: Sure? What's which you? I have three of them here?
Which one you want me to play?
Speaker 11: The one labeled Cohoda Howls. It has howls and uh
a zipper vocal in it, multiple zipper vocals? Sure, and
we can play that one.
Speaker 7: Okay, we pull that up here, we go.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and this is from North Georgia, north of Atlanta,
and I believe it's the Cohoda Wilderness or the Cohda
National Forest.
Speaker 5: It's in the National forest up there.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'll play this.
Speaker 11: Hello everybody, This is when I'm here here and I've
got a clip I want to share with you.
Speaker 5: This is fairly long. First came across this on the internet.
Speaker 7: Should I skip head to a certain point?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know the exact point to tell.
Speaker 9: You to go to out halfway?
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, to try about halfway Okay, back it up
just a little bit.
Speaker 11: At the beginning of the recording, and then right ah,
there we go a good, beautiful standalone whoops. We've had
these good vocals at the beginning of the recording, and
then right here you can see this is sending curving
parabolic signal in the spectrogram. It's just a beautiful example
of a long, languid, drawn out whoop. Let's play this
a couple of times. That's yeah, that's actually a whoop.
Let's think you were just a little bit because the
zipper vocal is right after this, a little bit farther,
keep going.
Speaker 5: And farther. Now that's something else, okay.
Speaker 11: Right there, well we just yeah, right there stop Beginning
at one oh two, you can see these very vague
vertical bars from like one o three, one oh four,
and right at one oh five. Those are actually zipper vocals.
They're subtle and hard to hear. I don't know if
I'll come through in this video.
Speaker 5: On to what I find to be the most interesting
part of this recording. Yeah, they didn't really come through.
Speaker 10: Okay, Devin, I think you amplify it all.
Speaker 7: So if we just stick with it here, okay, I'll
keep playing it.
Speaker 11: Sure, two soft vocals that I pointed out before the
long howl earlier, the sounds that had the vibrating characteristic
in them. Here are four more of what I believe
are the same sounds, and you can hear them much
more clearly. They're a little louder here, deeper in pitch,
but I'll loop this and I believe you'll be able
to hear this vibrating noise to them.
Speaker 5: Okay, so this is the important part of this. You
can go ahead and stop it, guys. Yeah, because that's
an eighteen minute video.
Speaker 11: There's so subtle in there that I almost I have
to apologize for something that I didn't know. They wouldn't
come across any better.
Speaker 12: Do you have any Yeah, but it would take me
a while to find it because it's I'm buried it
in some old files.
Speaker 10: It sounds to me, uh, I could hear kind of
a huffing sound with it. Am I incorrect in that? Devin?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 11: I think there are a couple of weak background signals
behind you.
Speaker 8: Yeah KAYU said he can send them right now to Jeff. Sure,
go ahead, please.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't know how this forum was.
Speaker 8: How do you know? So here's the here's the dumb
question of the day. How do you know they're not
just somebody in camp opening their sleeping bag.
Speaker 11: Because there was no camp in this situation, oh Sea.
This was recorded by a fellow named Ben Rivers, now deceased.
But he had gone out kind of trying to collect
his own evidence. He's a bigfoot skeptic, and he was
just hiking on a trail. Son had gone down and
here at first he heard a howl, and so he
started recording, and he got another howl, a few more howls.
He got these zipper type vocals which he could hear
with his ear, and then there's a few more vocals
after those zipper vocals.
Speaker 10: So, Devin, you're calling it a vocal, so that means
they're producing them through a voice the situation, not not
blowing through their hands or something of that nature. You
seem to think that it's a something coming from a voice.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's oral.
Speaker 11: You know, maybe they're vibrating their lips like doing or
something like that. That would make the most sense to me.
But I do believe it's not mechanical.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 11: And with regard to they're using something else to produce
the sound, I think it's just something that they can do,
similar to like you know, they can make a mouth.
Speaker 10: Pop, you know, right right?
Speaker 9: I agree, I think they can. Now, these are theither
hanimals that are way bigger than us. They can do
things that we don't understand. I think for us to
think we can understand it, I think it's crazy. But
I think still studying it is good. But I don't
think we can ever second guess anything. It's got to
keep moving forward.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And the best all we can really do is
infer some potential meaning based upon what we can deserve.
And the only thing I can observe about Zibber vocals
is they have this particular type of sound, and they
always have been captured when a human was present with
a recorder and a sasquatch seemed to be nearby.
Speaker 5: Otherwise you never hear them.
Speaker 8: Well, I talked to Adam was camping for thirty days
and he was with his wife had come up to visit,
and they called me the next day said they were
hearing these zipper, very clear zipper sounds outside the tent. Well.
They were both listening, and at first Adam thought his
wife had unzipped a sleeping bag, and she's like, no,
I didn't you know. Then they kept hearing those sounds.
Have you talked to any witnesses that have heard that,
like up near them like that.
Speaker 11: I did speak to the fellow who recorded that Ben
River originally, and to him he said, at the time,
it didn't sound like a zipper.
Speaker 5: It sounded more like somebody beating on a big place.
Speaker 11: Elastic trash can, which, okay, if you're there in the
live presence of the audio, maybe it does sound different.
Others I've spoken to, maybe it was Chris Spencer who
had He was in a situation where he believed there
was a sasquatch in front of him, and then suddenly,
from about twenty feet behind him, he heard a zipper
vocal or he heard a vocal and when I studied
the audio, there was a zipper in that vocal and
it surprised him to the point where he snapped his
head around and said, what the.
Speaker 8: F was that?
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I did speak to him about that, and
so we discussed it. He didn't really pick up on
the zipper part of it, but the recorder clearly caught it.
So it may be the kind of thing that it's
so subtle in the moment a lot of people don't
necessarily hear it. I have recorded it once while I
was in the field and I had just made a
whoop or a howl or something, and a few seconds
later caught a zipper vocal from not too far away,
But at the time I did not hear it.
Speaker 8: Okay, we had an experience up at Snow Grove where
Adam got up really early in the morning and he
kept hearing this thing going zip zip. I mean, he
can only eat that's not what it sounded like. But
he was hearing a zip, zip, zip, a little one
and it kept going. He thought it sounded like kind
of like electricity, sort of like a Tesla coil zapping,
you know, that's zip. And then he he just spoke,
he goes, okay, guys, whatever, I'm just gonna throw in
some gas in the generator. And then he heard a
big one zoop zop zup, and then the old one
was quiet.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 8: It's just another crazy story.
Speaker 11: That suggests if it is a nickname for us that
they're using, then they could also be used as a warning.
Speaker 8: Well see it fits with your story or your your
little theory. Because he was he just kind of normally
normally gets nobody gets up that early. It was just
that the crack at Donning bumped out of the cabin
and started hearing this zip zip.
Speaker 9: I think we got to think about, like I told
you about the the noise that made me calm. I'm
sure they can do a noise that scares you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: You know, well, you know.
Speaker 9: We got to think about everything, you know what I mean.
So it's like lions can do it and we can't
hear a lot of what elephants say. I think we
have to think about those kind of things.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, the other end of my experiences, I've studied recordings
folks have captured all around the country which have the
most blood curdling streaks. I mean, I mean far beyond
anything a human would likely do, and just captured out
in the deep forest or out in open farm country,
and they're simply terrifying to listen to. Even sitting here
in my office, I can just imagine what it would
be like to hear a streak like that in the
middle of the night. And I'm not talking about you know,
bar ows making there a weird streaky.
Speaker 9: Thing I've heard.
Speaker 5: I don't like a ghoulish shreak.
Speaker 10: So, Devin, Devin, I have a question. Do you see
the zipper vocal before you hear it? I mean, you're
looking at the audioing, oh my god, there's a zipper
vocal because you can you can tell in the spectrogram
that it has a signature of the zipper.
Speaker 11: Because it's a fairly broadband signal. I may not recognize
immediately that that's going to be a zipper before I
get to it, but I'll see some signal strength there
and I'll know, okay, pay attention to that there's something
going on, and then when I listen to it it, yeah,
may discover it's a zipper. But honestly, zippers. I've only
heard that vocal maybe twenty times in all the recordings
I've std and it's literally thousands of clips.
Speaker 8: It's rare.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I wouldn't waste a lot of time on it.
It's just very interesting and very unique. It's also a
minority of what we hear.
Speaker 7: So I got those clips from Tristan and I'll just
as an aside first of perspective on this. We have
decades of whale songs, dolphin songs, I mean decades, hours
and countless hours, and we don't know what the heck
they're saying. So if we can't figure out what they're saying,
you probably can't feel guilty about not knowing my bigfoot
saying either. Ye know what I mean. I mean we've
got hours, countless hours of that. We can't figure it out.
So yeah, understanding what they're saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And that's not my goal at all.
Speaker 11: It's just to recognize that there is consistency in what
they're saying, and that's at the heart of communication.
Speaker 5: If they're using over, that's how you communicate.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Same same with Citians. I mean, they're they're consistently No,
it's the language.
Speaker 8: Have no mike when you would have this creature approach
your window, Was there ever a time it didn't do
the buzz sound every time? Consistent?
Speaker 7: Not that I remember.
Speaker 9: It's amazing how many years, long time. I thought it
was like a dream. My dad started talking about it then, Yeah,
I asked them about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Did did anybody else hear those buzz Nope?
Speaker 9: I asked him, ask my mom, me and my dog.
Speaker 7: Well, I got three clips here from Tristian. You want
to hear those?
Speaker 9: Yep?
Speaker 7: All right, Okay, I got another one here, I got
one more, I'll play stream. Interesting.
Speaker 9: The last one was very cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like Brendan's comment, you can't figure out you
a teenager language either?
Speaker 8: Were those the y I'm sorry Tristan's Okay, Tristan's recordings?
Were those the zipper sounds?
Speaker 11: No? I heard what I heard through my speakers were
subtle vocals, voice vocals.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 11: I guess what was interesting about them with you know,
with just this cursory pass, no headphones, no software tools,
is they're consistent with regard to the unusual nature of
them instructure. That's one of the things that both David
and I have noticed is that Sasquat's vocals can be
very weird, you know, the combinations of just strange utterances,
and the first two there definitely sounded like, you know,
somewhat strange utterances. The first one sounded a little bit
like a double whoop, and the second one was just
kind of strange.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I personally yet to hear the day Zippers
sound clearly, so I'm confused it was to what it
is exactly.
Speaker 5: It's without clip, it can be hard to hear.
Speaker 8: Go ahead.
Speaker 9: That last recording was was very cool that the first
voice that came on was very close to the to
the tone of the sound I used to hear, and
then it went on to something else that was much lower.
There was two different sounds on that recording. I really
liked that recording and actually kind of gave me goosebumps
the first one.
Speaker 8: And Jeff, do you have any of the buzz hum
recordings from previous?
Speaker 7: Which one you're looking for? Yeah? I have all of them?
Which which one specific?
Speaker 8: Only?
Speaker 9: It played was really good, the Russian ones.
Speaker 10: Do you have the j A John Andrews j A PG.
Speaker 7: From David Let's see here, I gotta do a little
bit of digging. Yes, the j A PG went attached.
Speaker 10: Interesting thing about this recording it calmed Paul Graves within uh,
I want to say seconds, but it's probably a little
longer than that. But it put him right back to sleep.
Like what Mike said that it calmed him. So this
is important that it connects with what Mike is saying
that it created a a calming effect.
Speaker 7: Yep, this is the one that's uh j A p
G when that one, Yes, yep, got it right here, m.
Speaker 9: Very glow and his luck not lower and lower and.
Speaker 13: Yeah mm hmm yea.
Speaker 7: All right, that's what Jeff.
Speaker 10: Thanks, Yeah, I think that was looped three times if
you were going, yeah that one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Mike, what do you what do you think about
Jen Andrews recording?
Speaker 9: The one I heard was a little lower and told
but yeah, and mine didn't stop. But yeah, that's the close.
It's very very close. Yeah, okay, I'll tell you figured
get me up on my arm? Actually, what's he but here?
Speaker 8: But here's what this does, Like, don't take any offense
by what I'm about to say, but it in some
ways because we've been working on this from two years
two years, but from other people and historical things, it
validates your story. Does that make sense?
Speaker 9: Yeah? I get that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it validates it because that's not something you would
ever have known. It's a detail to your story, a
secret detail that you've brought up and suddenly we can
go that's what happened to him.
Speaker 9: Because I was I was young. For for years I
thought it was a dream. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 8: It really does validate your story. And do you think,
I mean, do you agree with that, Devin, that when
in some detail like this comes out of an old
story that they couldn't know, it just kind of makes
you not that it's a scientific validation, but it's an
amazing personal validation.
Speaker 11: Let me just say, you know, if you can prove
the providence of that sound, you know that it wasn't hoaxed,
is what I'm saying, then it could be uh, you know,
indicative of Okay, here here's something similar to what Mike
says he heard. So that lends some credibility to Mike's experience.
And so in that regard, it's it's worth considering. Certainly,
it doesn't prove anything, but it's it's always good if
you have something that's a demonstration of what Mike.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but to me, informally, to me in penology is
the word, informally, it does because that's not something Mike
could ever have known. That detail. It's just like the
sale audio, so we hear that buzz the same stuff,
and that's a recorded way back.
Speaker 10: So just to inform everybody, I ran across Mike's encounter
story from a podcast Shane Grove has. It's from the Shadows,
the only one I've ever done. And this was right
after our conversation with private conversation with Tristan, so it
wasn't even out. We hadn't done untold radio. Nobody knew
about this particular sound except you, myself and Tristan that
there might be some correlation. And then I hear this
story on another podcast within a couple of days, so
it was a synchronicity thing. But it's set up all
kinds of alarm belts.
Speaker 8: For me, right, Yeah, It's just it's kind of a
nudge in the right direction going Mike, you recalled something
really interesting. It's a detail that you know, you've certainly
uh hadds credibility does the whole story, you know, and
God knows we all need that.
Speaker 9: Strange you know, it's it's the subject that doesn't quit.
And as soon as you know it seems like you
you see.
Speaker 5: More, you know more.
Speaker 8: It's do you do you have any reservations in telling
your story to strangers.
Speaker 9: Mike, No, no, I never, I never do. I'm I
got big fisttickers on my car. I I talk to everybody. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not that guy. I'm not shy about anything.
Speaker 8: Well when did the encounters start? Hold were you? When
did the end?
Speaker 9: I was about seven by the day, have never end.
I got pictures of them at my house I live
at now. I saw them on a couple of weeks ago.
Oh yeah, it seems like once you see them, I
just it just happens. I think once you see them,
you see them easier. I don't know why, Mike.
Speaker 10: I think we might want to just take a quick
detour and talk about the melt cows on your property
off the way Nucci. Now, I also have something to
add to that your story. You gave a location which
I'm not going to give out, but one mile from
your house where you were having activity. I received a
phone call from a witness, went out and did an
investigation on their property, which is a mile south of
where you were having your interactions.
Speaker 9: So where you were at.
Speaker 10: So, uh, you've got to hear this story. I think
you have, but everybody should hear it.
Speaker 8: Shoot, I am all years. Go ahead, Mike.
Speaker 10: Ke yep, you want to you want to tell the
tell your story house.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I grew up on a on a dairy farm
on the mill pretty much Bordlin Olympic Peninsula. And uh,
once in a while we would get cows who would
come in. Well, I grew up on dairy farm, so
we milk cows for a living, and and cows will
always come in full of milk every morning. But once
in a while we would have one that would come
in that would be milk. It would be empty, completely empty,
and we we just couldn't figure it out, but eventually
became a figure that because uh, a cow has fourteen
so it takes hands to milk all four and uh,
and so we knew something had to be milking him.
But we were way out in the middle of nowhere,
so we knew it wasn't somebody else coming out and
milking our cows. And then we started fighting buckets from
farms four miles down in our woods. And so we
just figured that over the years, because this farm had
been around for like four generations, that somebody had figured out.
They probably had watched and probably figured it out, and
they just knew how to do it, and so whenever
the cow came in milk, we just says, I hope
you enjoyed it. It was he turned into a joke.
We just kind of knew what was gonna happen.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And so it implied that bigfoots were either milking
the cows or feeding somehow, which doesn't sound that I mean,
it doesn't sound like crazy to me.
Speaker 9: Well no, well we've heard about them braining the the
mains on hosses. We've heard a lot of you and
this is pretty simple and they're very smart. So yeah,
it doesn't surprise me a bit. And we just kind
of figured it was what it was, and we just
didn't care.
Speaker 8: What's interesting, it's very interesting. It's the anecdotal stories. But boy,
you know when you hear these stories of the mains
being braided too. Yeah, the witches what do they call them? Witches?
Speaker 7: Nuts?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we never said that, but we definitely had our
cow's milk.
Speaker 10: My grandfather had an eighty acre dairy farm and every
once in a while he would ask me if I'd
want some fresh milk, and I stayed sharing. He says, well,
get down here and he squirt it right into my mouth.
Speaker 9: I missed the fresh milk more than anything.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you, did you think, Devin, that bigfoot
takes advantage of agriculture arms and as food sources.
Speaker 5: Certainly? Certainly.
Speaker 11: I mean, at the very least, I could imagine them
out there picking corn the backside of the you know,
an eighty acre corn.
Speaker 8: And I've met witnesses that have seen them in cornfields,
like in the cornfield.
Speaker 9: Yeah lot, Actually, yeah, no, I don't doubt that at all.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And you know, so many people think they need to
do research in the middle of nowhere, you know, uh,
in the area of like area X. But man, they
do seem like they come very near civilization.
Speaker 7: Often no Kim, No Kim to Rocky Mountain oysters, no Kim.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what are the things I like?
Speaker 11: One of the things I like to do as part
of my research is go out and try to get
them to respond so I can get them recorded. And
I have found that if I'm close to know human habitation,
I have a really tough time getting any kind of
a response, even if they've been seen in the area
or people have experiences, I can't get a response. But
if I go into really remote regions, Like one of
my preferred areas for investigation is up in the mountains
in West Virginia. I'll go as remote as I possibly can,
and I know I'm miles and miles from many humans
or homes, and I get a lot better response out
there when I vocalize. I'd say ten percent of the
time I can get a response vocal when I'm farther
out in the forest. So I have good luck with that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I try having kids around. The kids around, they
go crazy. Yeah, yeah, is a mouth pop of the day.
It's it's it's it's nuts. Yes, yeah, it's I don't
know why, but but it's only the springtime. Might not
there a year round. Springtime says, all the leaves come out,
They're there for about a month and then they leave.
Speaker 8: Well, I know for a fact that I don't think
anybody's used the hum or the humbuzz Per recordings to
attract a bigfoot. But Chris Reinhart years ago developed a
way to use and it's forty Hurts tuning forks. He's
had great luck and big foot activity by either playing
recordings of the tuning forks going or using the tuning
Forks and I don't know where he got that idea,
but he did it at Snell and we we had
activity that night. That was crazy.
Speaker 11: It's interesting because that's very close to sound. You know,
infra sound starts at twenty hurts and goes lower right,
and so if he's at forty hertz, he's extremely deep.
Speaker 5: I mean, most humans couldn't hear forty HRTs.
Speaker 11: They might feel it in their test, but you know
generally our hearing drops out it around eighty herts.
Speaker 7: Say, I've got I've got Carl's audio handy, get the
hum from the cells if you want to know that's
that's a. That's such a great clip.
Speaker 8: M h.
Speaker 7: M hm.
Speaker 14: M.
Speaker 8: Feel free to comment, Mike when you're hearing these.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I wouldn't want to hear that that's from the
cells site.
Speaker 7: That's a that's an incredible clip.
Speaker 8: But it's still that humbuzz kind of perr sound or
whatever we call it.
Speaker 9: I would I would say, that's a leave me alone.
Speaker 8: So are you saying, Mike that okay?
Speaker 9: That was like roden.
Speaker 8: Ah Man. Do you have the ones that I recorded
up at Snell? Probably Chris and Bud recorded.
Speaker 7: Let's see here, probably let's see here, I'll do some digging.
Let me, yeah, let me, let me do some digging.
Speaker 5: Keep I've got it.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 5: Ninja's asking if he can play his clip?
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, which one?
Speaker 7: I've got some of the ones from uh last show
with him? Let's see here with Tristan.
Speaker 8: Well, here's mine that we recorded just we recorded hours
of it.
Speaker 7: H Oh. You know what, Doug, I think I I
think I found the cleaned up version of that. Gave
me a second here, yep, I got I've got the
here we go, got the direct version here?
Speaker 8: M h Yeah, that's Mike.
Speaker 10: Any comments, Yeah, nothing that I've heard.
Speaker 8: Would you would you get you get the similarities? Yeah,
it's still some kind of a vibrant.
Speaker 10: Devin, you got something.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Let me point out this comment from Kim Christensen because
they're spot on. When we listen to audio, the first
thing we should always try to do is debunk it,
and they bring up a good point.
Speaker 5: Nighthawk boom dive sounds.
Speaker 11: I have heard those in the past just as part
of studying, and I guess if we could find one
of those on YouTube, that might be worth listening to,
because you never know, this could be a known creature
making a sound that.
Speaker 8: Well, night oks, don't they They use kind of a
sonar too, don't they, Devon not.
Speaker 5: I don't know, night talk.
Speaker 10: That's the air braking off their wings, Doug, that creates
that specific I know.
Speaker 8: I know they eat small insects.
Speaker 10: It's similar, But I think that there are differences which
would come out in a side by side comparison with
a spectrogram.
Speaker 8: Jeff, for somebody can or maybe somebody in chat can
find us a link I've got.
Speaker 7: Well, meanwhile, I've got Tristan's clip here.
Speaker 15: M hm.
Speaker 8: Hm hm, that's coming.
Speaker 9: It's eating too.
Speaker 7: Are the name.
Speaker 9: Hi that one?
Speaker 7: And I think it was determined that some of that
sound was confirmed that it was messing with the recorder.
So a lot of that just random sound was actually
physically messing with the recorder. I liked that.
Speaker 9: Footsteps, Yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a pretty cool clip.
Speaker 11: I think I'll offer a different perspective. I'm a little
skeptical on that one. What I hear is fairly rapid chewing,
which indicates a small jaw growls. I hear growls, which
are really common for raccoons, and I think what we
may be hearing there is somebody has drawn in a
raccoon to food, and the raccoon is defensively eating that food,
and we're hearing it growl and smack on the food
at the same time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we recently found they do a kind of a
purine some kind of purine sound.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they do. I have bought my house every night,
but yeah, this one. The footsteps at the beginning, though,
that throws me off.
Speaker 7: Yeah, interesting clip, Yes, I got here. Let's see anything
else having to play Doug.
Speaker 8: Unless you have the Russian ones that came from.
Speaker 7: From David birchef see you're doing yep, I do, yep, yep.
Gave me a second here. I've got a few of
them here, alright, good. A couple more here and that's looped. Yeah,
these are all looped, and one more here from that
same source.
Speaker 8: It seems to be vocals mixed in with.
Speaker 9: The yeah never debt, no idea.
Speaker 7: I've got quite a few here from David.
Speaker 8: So people aren't talking about cats, moss, night hawks. We
got raccoons, big cats.
Speaker 7: Snoring, snoring, Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, interesting, very very interesting.
Speaker 9: A tab tonight it would be good to go.
Speaker 8: Have you ever heard the your bee buzzying and you
know in modern times to as you've turned into an
adult there, Michael.
Speaker 9: I have not.
Speaker 7: Oh that's interesting. So they've moved on. You think, Oh,
I've moved on.
Speaker 9: I don't live it.
Speaker 7: Oh, I see, I see interesting.
Speaker 8: David. Yeah, what do you think should we? Oh?
Speaker 10: I think we have a whole plethora of things and
lots of different possibilities. Do I think that they can
make that particular sound, Well, we have certain eyewitnesses that
tell us yes. So if we base it off of
eyewitness testimony, it has legs. Whether what we're hearing or
looking at here is pertinent to that, I don't know,
but it's possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I've got a couple more videos here from devn we
could share.
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's do it, and Devin you can answer this
an hour later. What are your thoughts on the warhead stuff,
the warhead recordings, the Sierra sound.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think they're legit, and I do think they're
Sasquats mobilizations all caveat that. To begin my research, I
had to begin with the assumption that at least two
seed clips upon which I was building my analysis were legitimate,
and if they were legitimate, I should be able to
find similar signals in other recordings, right, And it's a
form of link analysis that we do, linking evidence to
evidence to evidence and building a connected web of verification
over time. And so there are things in the Sierra sounds,
the whoops and the what have you that I've been
able to find in many, many other recordings. And then
the second audio recording that I assumed was true as
part of the basis of my analysis was Matt Moneymaker's
Ohio House. And so between those two clips, I should
be able to find those vocalizations again. And we know
we've heard moanhows many times and I've recorded them over
and over. In fact, that's probably one of the clips
I shared with you is an example of Moon Hoow's.
Speaker 7: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I got that one right to hear.
Hold on a second, Yeah, there's this is the Moonhall clip.
Speaker 5: Kirk brandon Berg captured. This is the original clip. Person.
Speaker 11: This is a little weak, but at the end there's
a louder version. So you'll notice that there were three.
That's one of those close to the chest characteristics that
we've held on to for a while.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 11: It's out in the public that generally mohow's come in threes,
and here's two whoops.
Speaker 7: At the end, and then I've got another one. This
is the Kentucky vocalizations.
Speaker 11: It's called yeah, and this is just a collection of
really odd vocals. There's monhou's in here, there's wood knocks
very subtle, there's whistles, there's falsetto shrieks.
Speaker 5: This this has everything in it.
Speaker 7: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 15: H h yeah, humans, here you go.
Speaker 14: Not trying time, no guy, Okay, what.
Speaker 5: Was the falsett of shriek? That enough for a filter version.
Speaker 11: But let me point out those people who capture that
are making the classic mistake when you hear votializations. Please
shut up nice, So I filtered out the humans. This
seems to be a little squats from the beginning here.
Speaker 13: Making up of wook.
Speaker 10: And so.
Speaker 11: Now this is a good example of how weird their
vocalizations could be. Because just think of yourself when you
ever string together that many different weird sounds, you know,
it just makes no sense.
Speaker 8: Really high, Yeah, it seems they can get extremely high
and extremely low very quickly. What would they need to
be able to do that? Why can't humans?
Speaker 5: Why can't humans or why yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, why can't humans shift their vocal arrange that.
Speaker 11: Our individual ability? So like Freddie Mercury, he could do it,
But do any many of us sing like Freddie Mercury.
Speaker 5: It's all talent, you know.
Speaker 11: Now, it seems that Sasquatch have much greater lingual dexterity,
and they can cover a lot of range, and then
a lot of the recordings that I've studied, there are
instances where they appear to be showing off their lingual dexterity.
For instance, there are clips that I've captured or studied
others have studied where they're very clearly executing the most
beautifully performed whoops that it's almost like they're singing out
these whoops. And you know, they could just make a whoop,
there's no need to be dramatic about it. But in
these cases, they're making these beautifully executed whoops, almost like
they're singing them out. And I believe they're doing that
just as a demonstration of their vocal prowess.
Speaker 9: I think it's all the time they can hold that note.
I mean, it's sometimes it's incredible.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, And so the falsetto who knows why they
do it? But it's it's just part of the lexicon.
It's definitely there. We hear it fairly often.
Speaker 8: Yeah. When I was up at Snell many many years ago,
before I was even thinking about Bigfoot, we heard singing
off on the shore and we listened to it for
about twenty minutes and it would hit these really high notes,
almost like it was just singing opera. Yeah, it was
very female sounding, very beautiful, and it just was amazing
because we'd hear it so loud and this is this
is They didn't they hadn't even invented flip phones yet. Okay, guys,
So no, we didn't record it. We weren't. We were
there fishing and we.
Speaker 9: Heard this your age now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And my son went on to get his PhD
in audio and all you know, in biological audio systems
and all sorts of stuff. But he obviously I think
that attributed to him taking that up as a career
was that incident that he witnessed.
Speaker 10: So, Devin, one of the advantages I found working with
witnesses over a long period of time is that I
would get to recognize specific individuals and their vocalizations. Have
you known that to be true as well?
Speaker 11: Yeah, most definitely. Sometimes even within a single clip, you'll
have multiple different voices vocalizing, and so you can tell
you can begin to differentiate them both based upon and
tambore in the way they execute. So, yeah, that's that's
very much possible.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would recognize them just from the spectrographic visualization.
Oh that's Fred will say. I can tell that, and
they would have their characteristic ending to their vocal Yeah,
that it would confirm. But I think that if they're communicating,
they're communicating who they are to somebody that is important
to them.
Speaker 11: Right, and they may not need to say who they
are explicitly other than just vocalizing. I mean, when you
speak with your family somebody's in a different room, you
know who's speaking to you because you recognize their voice.
Speaker 5: Probably the same way.
Speaker 8: Sure, So I got a note from Roger Williams. He
said that Heather and Peyton had heard sounds like you know,
the the buzzing sounds like that one night and they
called Cumbo or Roger called Kumbo on it, and he
said it was a young male trying to hit us
with infsound, but it wasn't mature enough yet to do it.
He had Kumbo worked at NASA and they played with
it years ago infrasound ultrasound and measured recordings from the field.
Roger goes on to say, I don't know that's what
he advised. It's you know, obviously it's more to it,
but that's the short version. An immature.
Speaker 9: Male immature. What they're intellect is gonna do anything they
don't know what to do. Yeah, I just think they're
way too smart. If they weren't as smart as they are,
we would have found them a long time ago.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that they would do something to bring
attention to them is ridiculous. I just I'm never gonna believe.
Speaker 8: So why do you think that creature was coming to
your window? I mean, did it?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 8: Do you think you could have been a female?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 9: I had never thought that till recently, but yes I do,
And I just thought it was we we put a
house in a in a in a place that I
had never had a house before. They were mad and uh,
but yet she still had compassion. And so I think
they're intelligent.
Speaker 10: Mike, I just thought of this. Weren't you also raising
Saint Bernard's didn't you have?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 10: Could there have been a I don't like you raising
dogs issue.
Speaker 9: No, I don't think still because I never bothered dogs,
never heard any of our dogs. It just made noises
and yelled and scream, broke limbs, it left footprints, We
took casts. And then that wasn't just us that all
the neighbors too. Of the just moved in. It was
like five or six houses that mess with almost every
night until we all started went out and my dad
and all the guys started going out and hunting it
until they took a shout at it, and finally I left.
But it took a few months. Yeah, so it was.
It was a prolonged thing. And uh but but now
that I think about, when I'm older, I'm pretty sure
it was a female, and I'm pretty sure it was
just mad, and uh, we just moved into somewhere we
probably shouldn't have been, and it just but that's kind
of shows you how smart they really are, and I uh,
I think we just don't give them enough credit.
Speaker 8: People About five people on Devon have asked, have you
ever analyzed the Minnesota Saint Louis County?
Speaker 5: Yes? Yeah, I kept seeing that question come up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 11: On that yeah, and so I was the fortunate one
who got to study those first. It was Mike Palichek
who captured those, and then his group that he was
squatching with contacted me and sent me the audio. The
original clip, I want to say, is about twenty one
minutes long, and I spent a lot of time studying
it because at first glance, you know, an untrained year
it sounds like wolves holloween. But when you really dig
into it and pay close attention, and then with all
the benefit of you know, the years of research I've
been putting into this subject, I started to hear the
signals that told me to know these are not wolves.
There is a wolf in there, and the coyote in
there at one point, but the main howls are what
I believe to be for sasquatch traveling together in a
loose group. And I on my YouTube channel, there's a
lengthy video about this, but basically what you hear in
there is the sasquatch enter from stage left and they
pass in front of the mics of the recorder and
then exit stage right. It occurs over twenty one minutes,
and I was able to clip out a lot of
the dead space and get it down to about nine minutes.
And the reason why I believe we're hearing what sound
like wolves in there is that they're actively mimicking the
local font. There are wolves in that county in Minnesota,
and this isn't the first instance that we have recorded
them mimicking some other animal.
Speaker 5: And so they seem to be.
Speaker 11: Moving through the area mimicking wolf howls, but at the
same time they're adding their own special twist.
Speaker 5: To those howls. And if you listen to them, many
of the howls they'll execute with what's called oo phoning.
They'll be like and then it ends in off phoning
goes ah. It's that ah is the tell wolves don't do.
The caans don't really do. So that ooh transition is
one of the characteristics we like to see, and they
do that many times.
Speaker 11: And then there there are several other things in that
clip that are just like, you know, that's obviously not
a wolf. And then later in the clip you hear
a true moan howl, and there are a couple of
whoops buried in wood knocks, even buried in the clip.
If you know where to look for them.
Speaker 8: You could look those up jobs. They're pretty amazing the
Saint Louis County, Minnesota.
Speaker 10: So, Devin, do you think that they mimic in this
specific circumstance to confuse and obscure fu scape human is
hearing these sounds and going, oh, I know what that
is and forget it and not thinking sasquatch, you know,
so it's off our radar? Is it more for fooling
us because they put something on the end that a
wolf will go, hey, that ain't one of other guys?
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think it's more of the former than
it is the latter. It's not like they're trying to
full wolves, you know they but we do know that
their nature is very cryptic. They're keeping their lives on
the down low, but they have to vocalize loudly, and
they know humans are likely going to hear them, So
why not mimic something that's already out there like a wolf?
And you know, if we fool human, that's great. But
at the same time, they have a need to not
full other fool other sasquats, So that's why they'll add
that particular flare, that signal to help other sasquats understand that.
Speaker 5: Now this is this is me.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah so.
Speaker 11: And you know, I've I've seen several other examples of
what we call possible mimicry. Who's the fella in Illinois
who is also doing stand Courtney, Yeah, stan Stan sent
me the first clip I'd ever heard of mimicry, where
he had made a vocalization and then on the ridgetop
ahead of him, the same vocalization came back at him
after a few seconds and it sounded just like his voice.
And then on my own experience, I was mimicked in
Pennsylvania where I was squatching with some people. We marched
deep into the forest about a quarter mile really quickly,
and got into an area where they're an old people,
and I made a whoop and I have a very unique, ugly,
terrible sounding and we listened for thirty seconds, and after
a half minute passed by, my whoop came back at
us from the forest and you know, no self respecting
sasquatch whatever whoop the way I did. But this came
back from the forest sounded just like me. I got
it recorded, and then a few seconds after it, a
second whoop came, but it was a normal sasquatch from
even farther away.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've I've recorded memic cry. I think Devin,
you're you're aware of I can't hear him. Yeah, come here, kaya, Yes, yeah,
that was that was the one that sold me. We
all have to have our own personal experience to get
absolutely sold on it, but that that's the one I
tipped me before.
Speaker 9: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 7: I think I found the clip you're talking about, Doug.
Speaker 8: How long if you can just get to.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got to the good part here. It's a
pretty long clip, but I think I got to the right.
Speaker 11: Party about the middle. Yeah there again, mm hmm. Okay,
so that's two voices in you. Yeah, here comes a
coyote both.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Once again, you don't know it's a coyote until
you you're a coyote.
Speaker 9: I don't want to be next to him to that.
Speaker 10: Here's a good uh yeah.
Speaker 5: See that sounds a little canine. So that indicates they're mimicking.
Speaker 11: I don't know whose video that was, but you know,
they have some different interpretations.
Speaker 8: Do you think there's any kind of symbiotic relationship with
them and coyotes and them and wolves or even ravens.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be in that clip.
Speaker 11: There's a point where as the sasquats have moved by,
you hear a clear bipedal canaan following them, you know,
walking along, I'm sorry, not by people. Quadruped, Yeah, quadruple
by petle cana horrified. Yeah, a quadruped canine whining like
a dog normally does, following these sasquats. You can hear
it in that recording.
Speaker 5: At one point.
Speaker 11: So I maybe you're just following the sasquatch and picking
up scraps, but there's some kind of relationship.
Speaker 8: I have some very anecdotal evidence of them working with wolves.
I was up on the Canadian border hunting grouse with
a buddy in the middle of the night. I hear
a pack of wolves just charging right through our camp.
You can just hear them panting and weeping, and you know,
one after another and behind. I mean to the point
it shook my cot that I was in. You could
hear these bipedal running, you know, boom boom, boom, boom boom.
You can just hear it running right after the wolves.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 8: And that was really interesting.
Speaker 5: So easing the milk or something.
Speaker 8: Well, it's yeah, definitely the big l was chasing the wolves,
but I think that they were maybe all gonna share
a kill. Who knows.
Speaker 9: You never know what's out there.
Speaker 8: No, we don't know, but they were definitely they were.
There was something definitely bipedal chasing those wolves, and I
don't think it was a dude.
Speaker 7: I just don't.
Speaker 8: Such. We were in a really really remote area up
in Canada, just ten camping, and we had seen wolves too.
The following day we saw pack of wolves, really big wolves.
Speaker 5: So and real quickly to Gai. No, I did not
say dog man.
Speaker 9: I did. Yeah, I don't care it. I will too
because I've seen bigfoot, so I'm not going to say
nothing else doesn't exist. I'm sorry about your luck.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm a showny kind of guy, and I just.
Speaker 11: The thought of them being real just freaks me out
way too much.
Speaker 8: I love that. Devin just a dog man.
Speaker 10: You heard it heard it here first.
Speaker 8: Yeah, David, Mike said dog man, Jeff said dog man,
Doug said dog man.
Speaker 9: I just got to go into the bots.
Speaker 7: God.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's one of the thing. I don't if they're real.
I don't want to see a dog man.
Speaker 9: That's why Stave in Washington don't want to see him.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Have you ever seen any glimpse of any creatures, Devin?
Speaker 11: In terms of sad squatch, I've seen idlow on three
or four different occasions, okay, And and one of those
was correlated to a thermal hit at the same time,
and that was in a Tennessee expedition that was very,
very squatchy.
Speaker 5: We have a lot of evidence.
Speaker 8: Okay, Devin just said squatchy. Post that up.
Speaker 9: Jeff, you're part of a video game. Devin.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry you didn't. You weren't informed. Okay, So I glow.
You said glow, Devin said, I glow. But in all seriousness,
do you think there was a light source that was
reflecting or do you think it was self eliminating?
Speaker 11: Maybe I have to believe self illuminating because the situations
where I saw it, there was just there was no
light to reflect. We were intentionally blacked out. Yeah, and
the light that we were seeing was brighter than I
could imagine. The only thing available might have been starlight,
and I just don't know that something could have gathered
enough starlight to reflect that brightly in Thoms.
Speaker 8: Have you read the report the scientific report. I don't know,
it wasn't released that long ago. I read one many
years ago, about two thousand or nineteen ninety nine about
these protein cells that they had found in human eyes,
only a few cells that actually produced light. And then
there was a recent scientific report where they took a
they had a woman's subject, and they put her in
extreme you know, like scientifically perfectly dark room and use
special equipment, and her eyes were glowing.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: No, I had not read ability.
Speaker 8: Oh okay, well, something to look up, because obviously it's
so faint you would never see it with your naked eye.
But the fact that humans have that ability is kind
of interesting.
Speaker 7: Yea.
Speaker 10: The eye glow experience that I had, whatever the subject was,
had the ability to like a dimmer, brighten and dim
its eyes. So it was dim to begin with, and
then it got very bright and then it dimmed back
down again.
Speaker 9: So I don't know.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So if it was a light reflection scenario, the
light it was reflecting would be constant. It wouldn't go
up and down.
Speaker 8: Unless it was turning its head.
Speaker 10: Right, your eyes gonna go down, Yeah, I suppose that
could be.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there are just too many reports to ignore about
eye glow, including other colors besides white.
Speaker 10: I will say this though, the it was the eyes
are totally round the whole time, so if you were
if you were squinting, you that would have changed.
Speaker 7: Yes, yep, yep. I've got a couple of clips here.
Tristan sent me the one, uh, this is the chorus one,
and then Michael Waldy sent you one two. So let's uh,
this is uh, this is Tristan's chorus clip.
Speaker 1: To get here with as you forget.
Speaker 7: Another clip here from Michael waald that Texas.
Speaker 10: Oh you play that, Jeff. I just want to throw
in a comment. This place that where Tristan recorded this
was Bumping Lake, correct in two thousand and seven. I
was at a No. Two thousand and six. I was
at an expedition in that location BFRO expedition when one
of these choruses rang out. So that was two thousand
and six, two thousand and eight, two years later, I
recorded it myself. I do have a recording that's very
similar to this. So whether it's a bigfoot or coyotes
that they seem to vocalize like that periodically. At this
particular I.
Speaker 8: Hear so many coyotes they just there's a lot of
yippin you know, short little it's never sustained audio. I've
never heard that in person sustained, but lots of yippin'.
And you can get twenty coyotes all yipping. I guess
it could maybe sound sustained. I don't know what's your thoughts.
Speaker 5: The problem.
Speaker 11: What gives me a problem with that particular clip is
not the vocals themselves, but it's such a reflective environment
that all of the sound is just.
Speaker 5: Smeared across there. It's really tough to make heads or tails.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 11: The pitches are higher than what I often hear with
sasquatch vocalizations, so that kind of lends towards coyotes. But
there are some really drawn out, long vocalization in there
which aren't typical of coyotes. So I heard maybe it's
a little bit of both. You know, it sounded more
squatchy in the beginning, and then it sounded more coyote
towards the end, which is a normal pattern if you
have a sasquatch crawl. It's not a uncommon to see
coyotes kickoff afterwards.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, absolutely, And including I've heard coyotes kickoff from
wood knocking. Interesting, I've heard that right maybe ten times
now here a wood knock and then the coyotes all
go nuts. My workshop is right in an area where
there's a whole bunch of sightings, and every once in
a while it didn't happen, you know, every week, but
I'll walk out of there and I'll here a wood
knock and then the coyotes all go crazy.
Speaker 11: So I was just going to add, as far as
courses go here on the East Coast, I don't know
that we had many examples of them. I've recorded just
one myself, and that was north of Charlottesville, Virginia, near
the Shenandoah National Park, and and it's very weird sounding.
You listen to it and it's it's like, ah, that's
not coyotes. All of those voices are just really weird
and freaky making strange sounds.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what do you think about the Is there anything
that we can determine from the whistle? I think Loretta
had asked about the whistling. Is there any differences in
their whistles or whistles that have been recorded to human Damn.
Speaker 11: I think there's a lot of mistaken identity because a
lot of people will hear whistles at night, and and
there there are actually plenty of songbirds that will whistle
in the night.
Speaker 5: But then there are those whistles that.
Speaker 11: Are just so unique and loud and different that it's
just okay, this is if it's a bird. It's not
a regular bird. I doubt that it's a bird. But
I have not been able to collect enough of those
to really make a call one way or the other.
I think they're more common out on the West Coast
than they are on the East coast.
Speaker 5: But we agree.
Speaker 9: We will hear noises at night that shouldn't be good night.
Speaker 7: M hmm.
Speaker 9: Sometimes but not all, not a lot, but yeah, but yeah,
it's kind of strange, but you kind of blow.
Speaker 5: It off, right.
Speaker 8: Do you live in the and you know, on the
edge of the forest.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah I do. I always have.
Speaker 7: Lucky kid. I want to live out in the woods
so bad.
Speaker 8: Yeah. You can put a credit card between my house
and the neighbor.
Speaker 7: Yeah me too.
Speaker 8: I mean you barely put a credit card.
Speaker 9: I would shoot myself.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not fun.
Speaker 8: You open the car door, hear like, oh god, I can.
Speaker 9: Walk back door and I have a creaked ten feet
from it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, now you're bragging.
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I grew up on a farm. I'm never
gonna live in the city.
Speaker 7: I grew up rural and I really miss it. As
a kid, I couldn't wait to move to the city,
and now I just want to move back.
Speaker 5: Never will.
Speaker 7: I got one more clipper. This is from This is
from Michael Waldy textbook Texics Bakefoot Rangers. They were on
not too long ago. You we'll give us one a shot.
Speaker 9: That's crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 5: That, I'll be honest.
Speaker 11: That right there at the beginning, there was an oubu
vocal there which reminded me of in twenty ten, when
I was just starting my investigation, I discovered an air
where I was getting really interesting vocals, and one of
them was this repeating vocal that sounded like ooh oo,
and it would do it about every thirty seconds, going
on for you, and I thought, this is some kind
of an owl, maybe I don't recognize, but I've never
recorded it since those days. I've recorded it a few
times in that era, and eventually I did discover that
there's quite a bit of sasquatch activity in that area,
so I believe it to be a sasquatch vocal This
is the first time I've heard anything similar to it
other than back in twenty ten.
Speaker 10: And I will say just a reminder, we're all kind
of operating off of half of what we do, which is, oh,
we're just listening to these vocalizations. We're not doing the
hard work, which is looking at them. It's looking at
them and producing a sound print that we can identify
fiably follow is what we're looking for. So what we're
doing tonight is that you're playing some sounds.
Speaker 9: What do you think?
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know. Interesting, I haven't put it through
the paces yet, but.
Speaker 5: This is what I would call seat to the pants analysis.
Speaker 8: Could could you play that again? Michael Walde's sure?
Speaker 5: What's that?
Speaker 8: So these have never been shared publicly?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I like that, h very I was just gonna before
the show ends at some point, I don't want to forget.
But Dennis harry Ford died today. And if you don't
know who Dennis says, he was not a bigfoot researcher.
He was a law enforcement but he was the one
that probably cast and collected the best footprints of Bigfoot ever.
He was a certified man tracker. He's appeared in Monster
Quest once and appeared in Mysterious Encounters once. He was
really great, man, I'm gonna show Let me hold up
this one hundred pound cast here.
Speaker 5: This is the.
Speaker 8: This things massive.
Speaker 10: Guys, Jeff, I think we lost Devin.
Speaker 8: Okay, there we go. This is how detailed this track is,
right down to the toenhills, and he documented. It's not
just one casting, it's numerous castings that he took and
they've been kind of the gold standard for track castings.
But anyhow, rest in peace, Dennis.
Speaker 9: M rest in Peace.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, there's uh Patty with a mid tarsel break.
That cast is pretty famous, but his is number two
for sure.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, well it's just a gold standard on detail.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and the Herford cast.
Speaker 5: No, ye, don't, don't.
Speaker 11: Don't forget about David's baby foot cast.
Speaker 8: That's the opposite of the hairy foot.
Speaker 9: Don't have the baby cast, damn it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I got one.
Speaker 5: I've got one right here.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we'll have to get your copied, Mike. It's only
three and three quarter inches long.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna grab mine.
Speaker 9: But don't you know they're all supposed to be bigger
than that.
Speaker 10: The one you got to start somewhere, I think the wall.
Speaker 5: Here you go, see, got all of them there there?
There you go. That's a little foot.
Speaker 11: Yeah, my camera doesn't do it justice. But there's actually
dermal ridges in this in these areas.
Speaker 10: You see that gash there, Devin, this one, yes, uh,
it stepped on a stick. Look at how much fatty
tissue is it conformed around that stick Yep, and out
to the side. I'm gonna start that much.
Speaker 9: That's a great harbor.
Speaker 10: No, that was from Bumping Lake east of Mount rain Air.
Speaker 8: Yea.
Speaker 7: And you see that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the heel is half the foot.
Speaker 9: That's very cool.
Speaker 11: And now I compared this to the prints of my
two children when they were newborns. I mean, within thirty
minutes of being born they were printed. And the big
difference is this is shorter than my newborn children's prints.
And my kids were both just over seven pounds when
they were born, and their newborn newborn print the heel
tapers down to almost a point because and heels are
not developed as infants. This thing has an extremely robust
heel and it's smaller than my newborn.
Speaker 5: Babies crazy in length. Wow, So it's an incredible case.
Speaker 10: Was there just one one track, David, was it just
Actually the complete story is my wife and I and
another investigator went to bumping two look for impressions. I've
been finding them for years. And this other investigator and
my wife were, oh, maybe an eighth of a mile
away in a different direction, and I get a call
on the radio saying that they found some impressions that
I might want to take a look at him. They said, well,
they're kind of small, but I think they might be
of interest. So I went over and I looked at him,
and they were about five and a half to six
inches long. There was two sets of them, so there
was two individuals. But I told my wife, since it
was the first time she had found impressions, that I
would cast them for her, fully thinking that they were probably,
you know, human. We went about our day doing and
I found larger impressions that I cast, and it came
to the end of the day and we were leaving
and just about got to the car when I realized, oh,
I promised my wife that I would cast those impressions.
So went back, didn't take any gear, didn't document it
because I was fully convinced myself that these were human tracks,
and so I cast them, and then I had a
little bit of hydroca left over, and I was looking
for a place to put it, and there next to
my knee, about four inches away, was this impression littlefoot,
And so I cast it with that little dollop of
cast material that I had, And when I I did
cast the others as well, and when I put the
story together, those impressions seemed to be holding the little
one and it got a single foot down because I
did concentric circles. I look scoured that place for more impressions.
There was only one.
Speaker 9: It probably dropped down.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it wriggled free, got its foot down
because in the impression, if if you look at it closely,
you can see you got to.
Speaker 8: Put it back up. People are requesting you put it
back up.
Speaker 10: The foot is bending. It's bending where.
Speaker 8: The mind it straight up and down the other way.
Yeah like that.
Speaker 5: There you got me?
Speaker 10: Yeah, there there there you can see the mid trstle
break where the heel comes to the ball of the foot.
Speaker 8: That ball is just crazy wide, and the heel is
so wide and thick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the heel is very deep too.
Speaker 10: So what's interesting is besides this little impression, and is
that the one that's holding it cast a four toed
impression and it got into the mud, So I got
a top part of the foot, so I can tell
that it only casts four toes. Well, if you look
at littlefoot where the toe right next to the big
toe there is that was that's just caked mud, there's
no toe there, and there's the little toe piece of
it broke off, so you can't really tell. But there's
three toes there, so three toes and a big toe
is four toes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you see that that break in the middle too,
which is very cool.
Speaker 8: Actually that's David's foot. He's just.
Speaker 10: And you want to know.
Speaker 8: He's got those little hands too.
Speaker 10: If you multiply the dimensions time for you have the
dimensions of Patty's foot, what do you do?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I got foot yep?
Speaker 8: Anyhow that Yeah, that the track is really cool. Uh,
somebody's requesting the Texas sounds again too, Sure are really good.
I mean those are really interesting.
Speaker 4: Sounds, very very metallic.
Speaker 8: Very metallic sounding.
Speaker 10: David yes, which is uh an and interesting note a
lot of metallic sounds have been recorded, not even voice
type sounds, but car door sounds. Yeah, car doors, slamming
in the woods. I have a recording of something banging
on a chain link fence in the middle of the woods.
I also have recorded a weed eater in the middle
of the woods at ten o'clock at night. Yeah, yeah,
maybe maybe that was a Maybe that was a buzz doug.
Maybe it wasn't a week.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like I'm surprised.
Speaker 4: I just hit you out.
Speaker 10: Now I'm gonna have to go digging for that file.
Speaker 8: Oh you recorded it?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Oh gee, okay, yeah, now you're definitely.
Speaker 11: Gonna stand Courtney sent me a weed eater recording a
long time ago, and it was the fella who got
it recorded actually looked up and saw the sasquatch who
was at the edge of the forest making the weedier sound.
Speaker 9: There you go, if you could just do the work,
be good.
Speaker 8: Well can we rule out these starlings that do they
do mimic you know, certain starling birds mimic exactly?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Can that be ruled out?
Speaker 9: Guys, the crows, everything else.
Speaker 10: I don't think you can rule it out. I think
the possibilities are minimal. Bits you have to acknowledge it.
Speaker 9: I've heard the baby cries. They're not very.
Speaker 10: Good at it, but they try. Got that recorded too.
Speaker 8: The worst thing a person can do who's interested in
research is to come up with a reason why you
don't need to want to study it, right. That's not
a good thing to do, and that's what so many
of our modern scientists do. One they're not getting a
grant to do anything with it, and two they just
kind of blow it up. It's probably yep, why look
into it? And Devin, thank god that you're so open minded.
Speaker 10: To be.
Speaker 5: It's rare, but you've got to keep your mind open.
Speaker 8: But Devon, you're so rare as a scientist.
Speaker 9: And you know what, I agree. I appreciate it very
much because because I know so, I really don't care. Yeah,
but I appreciate it to people that do, because you know,
once you see them, you gotta know it doesn't matter anymore.
But the people that don't, you know what, time I
think is amazing.
Speaker 11: So what's really cool, though, is that I know from
my experience in the training that I went through, the
military graduates hundreds, if not into the thousands, of students
with the same kind of training that I have every year,
and so there are other crypto linguists out there, you know,
probably retired sitting on the sofa at home, who could
dust off their old skills and do the same kind
of research that I and Scott Nelson and.
Speaker 5: Others are doing. Somebody I invite them to do it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we appreciate it very much, and I think this
is an absolutely viable frontier and we're just we need
more devons out there that You're right, we as amateurs
aren't going to gain traction. We'll notice things, will draw
attention to you some things, but we can't make any
kind of final determination that it has validity. Don't have
the background.
Speaker 11: But you know, David, there's always going to be skeptics,
even for me, for the scientific approach that I attempted
to take to this, you know, well reasoned approach. There
are always people going to be willing to shoot me
down because they have their vested view of the world
and you know, they don't want anything to undermine that.
So what's more important is that there's actually a community
of people out there like us. Whether you've got trade
or you don't, but you you have the open mind
and you're willing to go out there and put the
reporters out and do the data collection, you know, do
the research, and then we share that as a community
and we debunk it, we try to verify it, whatever.
But we don't give up, is the point. So don't
worry about those people that have their agendas.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 10: I'm not worried. It's just it's probably not going to
gain traction, if you will, until it is verified with
somebody like your background. So that's that's all. My point
is that I can discover things and and point things
out that seem interesting to me. Whether they pass muster
with you is is what's it's important.
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, but I'm no gatekeeper, so I'll just I
will be brutally honest with the people.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 11: It's like that sounds like yeah, good sunshine.
Speaker 10: Yeah, what are the chances that it is?
Speaker 9: Yes, don't let them get to us? Okay, okay, what.
Speaker 8: Are the chances of having a public depository of all
of these sounds? Someday?
Speaker 5: I'm trying to do it. It's hard.
Speaker 11: A curated online collection, is it's a big endeavor to try.
Speaker 10: Would you be willing to host it with your main frame? Doug? Yeah,
we we we might think, I want to venture down
that it was just it would take people like myself
with free time to go around and ask people for donations.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you already have a huge amount of recordings,
and I'm sure Devon has a bunch. The big problem
is giving people credit. Do they want credit? Do they
want their name? Yes, it'd be better just to be
them all be anonymous in different categories.
Speaker 10: Well, the context of the recording is part of the
story too, that we can't eliminate we need.
Speaker 8: To write, but that could be done later. That can
be a serial numbered, right that they could then look
up the explanation for it.
Speaker 10: The mcaulay Library of Sound does a pretty good job
of documenting and saying who recorded it, where it was recorded,
time of day, those kinds of things. And the unfortunate
thing is that they in their recordings they request that
you have a visual identifier, so in other words, you
have to see it, make that vocalization, which we're not
going to be able to do with sasquat. So we
just do the do the best we can, I suppose, But.
Speaker 8: I think of a serial number could be applied.
Speaker 9: Everything is documented, I mean everything is documented, but un
tell the powers that be. I want to say that exists.
It's not going Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 10: With you, Mike. I'm not too concerned whether people believe
it or not either don't. I just want to get
it out there that hey, this is a possibility. Well
let's talk about it.
Speaker 8: Let's even But even if it was the best, the
best torn type metallic recordings, the best whoops, the best
you know what I mean, the best wood knocks, it
would at least allow scientists to have access to at
least the starting point.
Speaker 10: Sure, that would be a nice point.
Speaker 9: Has been around for a long time, and it's been
hidden that they're there. I've seen them. It doesn't doesn't matter.
They've hidden it. We're not going to fix that by
talking right now. It is just the way it is,
and we just have to just wait till somebody's sides
that we need to know about it.
Speaker 8: But yeah, but do you guys realize, Mike, there's also
a jillion people out there that are just interesting people.
They're not scientists.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there are too.
Speaker 8: Just people that saw bigfoot cross in front of their
car now are looking for answers.
Speaker 9: Exactly, but but they thought pass.
Speaker 8: But they still want answers. That doesn't stop the and
the questions, it just begins them many cases.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, but but the answer, but all those questions
have been answered, They've just been hidden from all of us, right, Yeah,
Well we keep asking, we keep trying to figure out
the questions that they've all we've already been answered. Yeah,
and which just drives me nuts. I mean, everything is
just a joke when we all already know. I've seen it.
I know most of you guys know what's there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but we.
Speaker 9: Keep talking about it because they don't want us to
know about it.
Speaker 11: Well, but Mike, I don't think David's point is about
trying to prove anything to anybody.
Speaker 5: What we want to do.
Speaker 9: Is I agree.
Speaker 11: Yeah, what what Doug suggesting is we share the evidence
that we've collected, in this case, audio evidence, because there
are a lot of people that do want to hear
those sounds.
Speaker 9: But see Jeff Melodrummer, everybody's been doing this for twenty years,
and doesn't matter. We end up at the same place
every time.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 11: I've evolved dramatically on my position on sasquatch versus fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 9: I know you have but the scienceific community haven't.
Speaker 10: Oh we're not worried about those will evolved as well
at all.
Speaker 9: But but think about it, no matter what we do,
it really doesn't matter much.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, And I'm like, why do you care that
other people aren't convinced?
Speaker 9: Yes see I don't.
Speaker 11: Okay, then you should have no objection to Doug's suggestion.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're probably right. But but what we keep wanting
to try to find proof that we're talking about today,
and it kind of bothers me because it doesn't matter
what we do, nobody's gonna believe it.
Speaker 5: And prove I'm just trying to share evidence.
Speaker 8: Okay, good, Yeah, it's you know, it's a mystery that's
not going away.
Speaker 7: Mike.
Speaker 9: No, I ain't going away. I tell you that.
Speaker 11: I mean, who knows we could share all this evidence
and it turns out we're actually recording dog man.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, oh god, here we go.
Speaker 9: Devin said, there's a second time. I think he's been
watching VIC.
Speaker 8: Yeahs to be true, he secretly does.
Speaker 5: Sorry, don't pay me with that brush.
Speaker 8: No, we're just joking. It's a drinking game. We've invented
in the drinking game every time says, everybody takes a shot.
But anyhow, but if you guys are yeah, but if
you guys are interested in somehow at least getting a
start on that, we'd be willing to host it. And
the nice thing it gets backed up literally every day
and it's a huge, massive computer. Well, we'd love to
host it.
Speaker 10: That would be Devin. I think some of my original
recordings that I recorded in twenty ten on a different
medium than I'm using now, I think those files are
now defunct. So you know, this may be a way
of protecting ourselves if it goes to an independent source.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Agree, So we're not dependent upon the internet.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I've got almost everything I ever heard backed
up somewhere. But hard drives do go bad and things
like that.
Speaker 10: Right, right, So Doug, if you're you're willing, well we'll
have to call it.
Speaker 8: To get Alex to volunteer. You know this works and
his son going, you know, disappearingly that's true, Oh my god. Uh,
But I I just think that they're like you can
go listen to the more Head sound samples, or you
can buy the DVD, but other than that, you go
on YouTube. You can look. But it would be really
cool to have a depository of the different categories, at
least some examples the best. You know, why put the
worst ones they can barely hear? When to just put
the best ones in and then it and then an
email where if there's a scientist that wants more they
can write us.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and like I said, that they're preserved. You're not
going to go anywhere.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's one nice thing. Yeah, because we're not
all going to live forever.
Speaker 11: And if we focus just on what I the best,
or what I call consumer grade audio, it's not a
big number. No, no, right, the most what I have,
you know, is not shareable because you have to have
a developed ear to really appreciate some of these recordings.
Speaker 7: Inspect the spectrographs make a big difference too. That can
weed out knowing stuff pretty quick.
Speaker 8: I want to talk about. Maybe the last thing I
want to cover is the sound called the whoop. Right,
the whoop it sounds if if a regular person hears
a whoop in the woods, he just instantly goes hit
some bird or it's some other animal. But there I
you know, God bless all the people that have tried
to come up with an animal a whoops. Evin, what
are your thoughts on the whoop? Because it's such a
unique sound.
Speaker 11: It is very unique and the closest thing I've ever
been able to come up to.
Speaker 5: Two things.
Speaker 11: One, at great distance, a coyote yip can sound like
a whoop, and that's just because if it were closer,
you'd clearly hear the yip. But over distance, the soundy
roads and it can sound a little bit like a whoop.
The other is a a it's a waiting bird that's
found in like Georgia, Alabama, Florida called a sora, and
that makes something like a whoop sound.
Speaker 5: But that's only in those areas. So it's a very unique.
Speaker 11: Sound, and it's often accompanied by other vocals like the
clip we heard earlier, three mon howls, two whoops. Okay,
it's the whoop's association with other high probability Sasquats vocals
is what tells me that the whoop is definitely a
classic Sasquatch sound.
Speaker 10: I've got one for you. Have you ever heard the
Cherokee war cry?
Speaker 11: Not specifically, I've heard the Hollywood versions of the wark crise.
Speaker 10: I've had somebody pass on to me or recorded at
one of their gatherings. Somebody did the war cry It
is the Ohio howell, followed by.
Speaker 9: Two whoops.
Speaker 5: Wow, which you've.
Speaker 10: Got recorded, Devon. We played it tonight.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So the chicken or the egg? Okay, good question.
Speaker 10: So are we imitating sasquatch for our war cry? Which
could instill fear in people if they were familiar with sasquatches?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. I would assume the human would imitate the sasquatch.
Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 10: They would imitate the sasquatch to instill fear.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. Makes sense.
Speaker 8: Have you studied throat singing at all, Devin.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I've definitely collected a few clips of that and
some examples, and it's interesting unique. I don't see a
lot of correlation with sasquatch vocalizations.
Speaker 8: But the only thing, the only thing I kind of
do sort of is in the tumbus per sound a
little bit, but it's a dual it's a dual range.
Speaker 10: Is there is one of the sounds of the Sierra
sounds that has this tenor or quality to it. I
have a recording that I capture it off the internet
that I compared the two, and I think we played
that last week, Doug. But there's some sort of throat
singing type quality to one of the vocalizations in the
Sierra sounds.
Speaker 8: Right, yep.
Speaker 5: I have to go back and listen for it.
Speaker 10: I think I should send you that clip.
Speaker 8: You think what wonders why throat singing was developed? You
have to wonder what was the reason.
Speaker 16: Dating a solid theory question.
Speaker 8: Devon said, throat singing is imitating dog man the uh
Cayu's Cayu's asking he's going to change your name? Tristan
to mister question. You remind me of me when I
was about ten, driving my dad crazy.
Speaker 9: But I love you.
Speaker 8: I love your question. I'm just kidding you. What about
babboon sounds? Uh?
Speaker 10: Well, you you're aware of the fact that I found
a baboon bark video on the Internet that it sounds
like something is saying Wahoo, And that just kind of
got me. The reason that I was even founded I
was looking to find it. There was more about Daniel
Boone killing a Yahoo, the mythology regarding that and up
popped that video. Well, then I went back and I
found like ten or twelve recordings of that specific sound
from all over North America. So that is one of
the sounds that I follow, the bab boon bark.
Speaker 8: And with that babboon bark comment, we are going to go.
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Speaker 7: Well, we lost Michael, but thanks to him for coming on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, that was awesome, and thank you Kuyu for
all of your questions. Love the man. He knows they
have a lot of them and so but that's the
kind of curiosity that I actually like to see. That
is why we are here. Lord knows he thought of
a lot of questions I wouldn't have thought of. So
thank you so much Devin for coming on, yes, sharing
your very logical thoughts on everything. And we love to
get you back on. And I have the Texas Bigfoot
recording I'm going to I think Michael is happy we
send that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had his permission. I sent that to both
you and to thank you clip.
Speaker 8: So thank you, Thank you so much David too.
Speaker 10: Thanks Devin. I appreciate you coming on short notice. I
haven't seen you in a couple of years. We have
to stop meeting this way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, and it's good to see you again and
catch up with you.
Speaker 8: Mainly just no more dog man talk yea.
Speaker 7: And thanks again to Mike Mullin. Thank you for coming on.
I don't I guess I don't know where he went,
but thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks guys, and we'll be back next week, same time.
Speaker 7: Same place.
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