WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.119 A lesson that most people learn from a very young 2 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:13.039 age is things aren't always what they seem. For example, 3 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.519 when a child sees a scary silhouette in their bedroom 4 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:20.120 at night and they think it's a monster, yet it's 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.480 revealed to be nothing more than a pile of toys 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:25.039 or clothes in the corner of their room once the 7 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:28.839 lights are turned on. Now the lesson can be switched 8 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:32.479 around as well as a person who seems kind may 9 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:36.240 have bad intentions. That's why we learn to never talk 10 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:40.600 to strangers. Things aren't always what they seem. Is a 11 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:45.280 very easy concept to grasp once you understand it. But 12 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:48.600 the problem is it gets very difficult in the real 13 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:52.600 world because if it's meant to deceive you, then it 14 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:53.320 often will. 15 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:58.320 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to 16 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:03.200 Wicked and Grim Crime podcasting. 17 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:31.840 The following podcast material more mature audience listeners. Okay, I 18 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:33.480 think I think it's working this time. 19 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:34.560 It appears to be. 20 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.560 I think it is. We gotta cut off last episode, 21 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.280 so I hope you guys can hear us. There were 22 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:41.840 some technical difficulties. 23 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:44.560 There were some technical difficulties, that's for sure. 24 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:47.079 Our show got hijacked, if you could call it that, 25 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:52.400 I guess yep. So yeah, that Jacko, I know, right, 26 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.079 he's got us. He took the show and he just 27 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.439 made it his own. Yesterday, yes last week we go. 28 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.000 I almost said yesterday. Definitely wasn't yesterday. 29 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:01.760 Feels like it might have been yesterday. 30 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:06.799 Touche, touche. But yeah, hopefully you guys enjoyed that. Hopefully 31 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.360 you guys have gone check checking out Gone and checking 32 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:13.479 out Gone and checked out his show because it's been 33 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.960 doing pretty good actually, so yeah, so thank you for 34 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:17.360 those who are checking it out, and if you haven't 35 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.120 checked it out yet, should go check it out because 36 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:20.560 it's cool. 37 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:23.199 It is. Yeah, yeah, I mean last week was a 38 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.560 total glimpse of what it is, and it's pretty cool. 39 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.080 It's a good show, it is. You sound like shit, 40 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.560 I know, I'm trying. I'm like, maybe people won't notice 41 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:34.719 I have a well I'm I've had a cold for 42 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:38.960 going on two weeks now. Yeah, so yeah, my voice 43 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.639 is my voice always gets very affected when any sickness, So. 44 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:44.759 Yeah, get down with the sickness, which is. 45 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.479 A little bit of a problem when you need your 46 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:48.840 voice for a podcast. 47 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:53.960 Yeah, when you're a professional podcaster, so so heal the 48 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:54.479 fuck up. 49 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.840 Yeah that Ben's presenting again today, so I'll just be doing, uh, 50 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.560 my reactions to whatever the shit he has going on 51 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:03.159 over there. 52 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.599 Your reactions to whatever the shit I've got going on 53 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:06.000 over here. 54 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.240 Okay, Yeah, well at least you got tea, Yeah I do. 55 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.159 You got tea for the morning, you got wine for 56 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.240 the evening. I think you said, Yeah, life is good. 57 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:19.199 Yeah, no, it kind of. It wasn't the best of 58 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:23.360 timing because I was away. I had some work out 59 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.599 of town in the Okanagan. But you got it. You 60 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:29.319 just make do, make do. But I never did any 61 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.039 wine touring when I was there because which was malarchy 62 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.639 it is, but also when you're not feeling like one 63 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.960 hundred percent like you don't really want to go taste wine. 64 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:39.479 I feel like I was like, my taste but are 65 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.400 going to be off. I'll just save it for next time. 66 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.360 That is the first time I've ever heard you say 67 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.120 you don't want any wine. 68 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:49.759 Well, I don't know. Yeah, it was busy too, because 69 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:51.599 I was visiting a lot of family. Like I barely 70 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.080 even drink an ounce down there. 71 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.960 Wow, Like I was visiting my family. I'd be drinking NonStop. 72 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.319 I think I maybe had two drinks. 73 00:03:58.960 --> 00:03:59.319 That's it. 74 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.639 Yeah, wow, Yeah. 75 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:03.240 Your grandma's got to do better. She's got to force 76 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:03.960 you more booze. 77 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:06.280 Well yeah, and it was even drinks that I had bought. 78 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:11.719 Wow, that's kind of sad. You got you gotta you 79 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:12.360 gotta bring the. 80 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:13.479 Juice, she offered. 81 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.319 She offered, Well, that's good. Yeah, she's trying to lick 82 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:17.160 her you up, that's good. 83 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:17.839 Yeah. 84 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:18.759 I like your grandma. 85 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:22.519 I know, my grandma's actually freaking awesome. She's the best. 86 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.240 Grandma's for some reason, just like are awesome. They just 87 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:29.199 don't give a fuck anymore, and they just do what 88 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.079 they want. And there's like, yeah, I'm gonna look after 89 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.519 you and I'm gonna make sure your life is cool. 90 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:34.879 And then send you home. 91 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.160 Yeah that's pretty much how that goes. 92 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:39.480 Yeah, grandma's are awesome. 93 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:42.319 One, what else is awesome? 94 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.040 We have some awesome people to think, don't we. 95 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.439 We do over on Patreon. Huh, but we're gonna tank 96 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.199 you here because you're that awesome. So this past week 97 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:53.519 we have item looked at the names. Yet I just 98 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.959 realized I probably tried to pronounce your guys. We have 99 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:07.920 lexus Costa Dawson, Zaiya and John Blue, Johnny Blue, Jonny Blue, 100 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.959 Johnny Blue, Johnny Blue, Johnny Blue or jon Jonny Blue 101 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:12.759 or Johnny Blue. I think it's going to be Johnny Blue. 102 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:14.319 Okay, awesome. 103 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.519 Yeah, So those three just signed up for Patreon over 104 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:18.560 over there and they getting behind the scenes stuff. They 105 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.000 get an extra episode at the end of the month, 106 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:20.759 a lot of behind the. 107 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:22.720 Scenes which is coming up, actually, isn't it. 108 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:24.519 Yes, it is. And we've got a big trip that 109 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:26.399 we're going to be doing here down to Vancouver Island 110 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.319 for a family member's wedding, So we're going to go 111 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.519 make sure that we actually do a bit of logging, 112 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:32.120 get some of that. 113 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.360 Up so and actually maybe vacation a little bit too, Yes, that. 114 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:41.879 Too, that too. Also, we've got something really cool coming 115 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.399 up in July. We are going to be doing a 116 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.959 trivia night here at a local brewery. 117 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:49.720 If you're Frinch, George, if you're. 118 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:51.800 If you're local, pay attention because that's coming up soon. 119 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:55.439 This's gonna be a dead fall and we are going 120 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:57.240 to try and see if we can live stream it 121 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.839 for our patrons, So you guys can also join in 122 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.199 on Patreon for that as well when that occurs. 123 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:05.079 Yeah, I think that's gonna be fun, really fine for it. 124 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.759 Although that reminds me I got to get researching some 125 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.439 questions still. I've got a bunch of bunch. Yeah, we 126 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:11.959 need more. 127 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.079 Yeah, I can try to help with that too. 128 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.680 Yeah, since you can't be talking a whole bunch, maybe 129 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.000 you could be researching a whole bunch. 130 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.040 Hey, hey it's getting better. This isn't too bad. It 131 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:23.600 was much worse, much worse. 132 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.680 You are on the downhill or the uphill? Would say 133 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.439 the uphill, yeah, because downhill you're getting worse, but downhill 134 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.160 also you're coasting and it goes easy. Uphill is hard work, 135 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.560 but uphill like sounds more positive. Which way would it be? 136 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.199 I don't even know which way would be, Like, I 137 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:42.560 can't I. 138 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.480 The downhill then I don't even know. 139 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.040 I would say downhill because it's like you're going up 140 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:49.600 the hill, you're putting in all the work, and then 141 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:53.240 it's like, oh, I'm finally getting over this cold, over 142 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.480 the sickness, like you know, you're getting over the cold, 143 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.560 and then it's the downhill. So I think it's the downhill. 144 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.839 Yeah, yeah, but it did sound worse. It sounds more negative. 145 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:07.480 Yeah, because shit's going downhill. So what the fuck English sucks? Man? 146 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:08.519 Oh my gosh. 147 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.800 Okay, this aside. Let's let's get on with the case today, 148 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:16.199 shall we. Mm hmm. Well, this one takes place on 149 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:20.079 Sunday in February of two thousand and two. It was 150 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:24.680 February seventeenth, to be more specific, Sunday Sunday. Yeah. So 151 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.439 it begins with a father and a son in Phoenix City, 152 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:31.959 Alabama who are having a normal Sunday evening at home. Now, 153 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:37.240 the father is Forrest Boyer aka Butch. Everyone called him Butch, 154 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:39.480 so that's what we're going to be calling him. So 155 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.519 Butch was helping his son get ready for school on Monday. Now, 156 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:45.839 the week was coming, you know, it was the end 157 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.240 of the new or sorry, the start of the new 158 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.680 school week, which meant ensuring all, you know, necessary school 159 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.319 work and homework is being completed. You know, the weekend 160 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.920 mindset needs to be set aside for the next five days. 161 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:58.240 For twelve year. 162 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.120 Old Brett, the Sunday even grind take. 163 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.800 Exactly, making sure you're all set, you're all ready to 164 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:07.759 go for the week ahead. Brett was. He was a 165 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:10.360 bit of a rambunctious boy, but certainly a good kid. 166 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.279 He was liked by many of his classmates and even 167 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:15.839 had a girlfriend who he shared some dances with at 168 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.959 the school Valentine's Day dance just a few nights prior. Wowright, 169 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:25.120 go Brett. So this evening, it was beginning to get late, 170 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:28.199 and it was just before ten pm. Brett was just 171 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.920 getting ready to take a shower before heading to bed 172 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.279 for the night, and his dad, Butch, who was now 173 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.200 finished helping his son, was just sitting down at the 174 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.960 kitchen table to do some paperwork for his business. So 175 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.480 Butch he was a fifty five year old man and 176 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.440 had a business as a used car salesman where he 177 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.960 dealt in selling and purchasing many vehicles. So often he'd 178 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.639 be doing many title work, paperwork and stuff at the 179 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.919 table at night, making sure that everything he was doing today, 180 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.480 he's catching up at night, making sure that you know, 181 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.000 everything that was coming and going off a lot is 182 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.480 being looked after and taken care of properly. On So 183 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:08.799 Butch was an extremely hard working individual. He was a 184 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.080 single father, and he really took both roles both as 185 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:17.240 an entrepreneur and as a father extremely seriously. He made 186 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.200 sure that his son had a good life. He looked 187 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.720 after his kid and the same with his business. 188 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:23.919 I like him. He sounds awesome. 189 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:29.200 Butch is awesome. I like Butch is good. Everything was 190 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.120 good for Butch and Brett. Everything was normal in their house. 191 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.000 It was just another weekend, just another Sunday winding down, 192 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.000 just another week was about to start. That is until 193 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.320 a knock came at their front door. Butch was a 194 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.759 bit confused when he first heard it. It was ten pm, 195 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:49.679 after all, Oh yeah, yeah, and he wasn't exactly expecting 196 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:51.559 anyone shit that. 197 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.399 Oh I don't think I would answer, well, I. 198 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.879 Was kind of thinking of that too, but by the 199 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:58.440 sounds of it, I don't think they lived in like 200 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.120 a very trouble neighborhood or anything. 201 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.320 Still, i'd be like scared shitless. But if you were home, 202 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.600 actually I would I would probably answer it. 203 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.679 I would probably answer it as well, if I'm being 204 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:15.519 one hundred percent honest, but I would probably answer it 205 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.000 ready for something, because there have been times where I've 206 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:22.679 answered excuse me, I'm starting to sound like you. There's 207 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.960 been times where have answered the door to like, oh, 208 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.000 who's that? Why would the door be like there'd be 209 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:30.840 someone at the door right now, yeah, getting laid or whatever, 210 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.120 and I've answered the door knowing, Okay, where is the 211 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.679 nearest weapon I can grab where something my fist is 212 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.399 like cocked in my pocket or my hand is in 213 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.120 my pocket on my pocket knife, like things like that, 214 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.159 just ready just in case, right. So, but I certainly 215 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:47.320 would probably. 216 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.159 Answer it numerous I remember. I can recall actually like 217 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.000 assession with you, if you were at work or something, 218 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:52.879 I would not answer. 219 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:53.200 No. 220 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.799 There would be times where if I was not expecting 221 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.320 someone and the door well rang or whatever. 222 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.320 No, that's probably a practice. 223 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:02.639 I know, which kind of makes me sound like a 224 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.759 complete beauch. But also it's just like, well I'm not 225 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.639 expecting you exactly. 226 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:10.639 I think that's kind of where like doorbell cams and 227 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.240 stuff come in. Yeah, with like intercom systems and shit, 228 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:15.399 you can be like what do you want and they're like, oh, 229 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.240 we're here to talk to you about our lord and 230 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:21.879 save you. And it's like please know or whatever the case. 231 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.279 Or it's like oh my car broke down, or it's 232 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.440 like hey, haven't seen you s in high school? I 233 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.120 wanted to catch up. Fuck off that sort of thing, 234 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:29.480 you know. 235 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.720 There could be many reasons, but also all those reasons 236 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.559 you just listed, I don't feel like i'd probably want 237 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:38.440 to open the door for them. 238 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:42.519 So exactly, the intercom system those doorbell cams definitely make 239 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:48.919 a difference this instance. Though, even against Butch thinking he 240 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.440 probably shouldn't open the door, he did so. He stood 241 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.159 up on the table, made his way to answer to 242 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.279 see who was there, and when he opened the door, 243 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.960 he was surprised when he was greeted by an officer. 244 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:03.440 Oh okay, and more specifically, this was a narcotics officer. 245 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.039 So the officer showed him his badge and informed Butch 246 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.320 that he had a warrant for his immediate arrest related 247 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:11.360 to drug possession. 248 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:17.240 Oh my gosh, yeah, okay, you sound stunned, well a 249 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:19.639 little bit. Yeah, I actually that never occurred to me 250 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:21.639 that it could be like a police officer. Then here, 251 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.080 I'm just like Norton door. 252 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:26.679 I'm pretty sure if you looked out the window or 253 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.360 for door bell cam or something, then you would be like, oh, officer, yeah, 254 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.919 probably open up. Yeah Butch, Yeah, he was like, oh shit, 255 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.159 there's an officer. And he was even more like, oh shit, 256 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.320 taken aback and stunned when he was told there's a 257 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:43.440 warrant for his arrest. Yeah, being arrested. He didn't really 258 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.840 know how to react, honestly, it was all happening so 259 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:49.000 fast before he knew it. He's in handcuffs and he's 260 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:53.480 being walked outside. So Butch quickly regained his composure and 261 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.679 began trying to reason with the officer. He's like, this 262 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:57.960 must be a mistake. You must have the wrong person. 263 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.759 I don't have any sort of drugs on me in 264 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.120 my house. I don't even do drugs. He's like, this, 265 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:07.480 there's a mistake here somewhere. So he assured the officer repeatedly, 266 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:11.120 but it just fell on deaf ears. Oh no, And 267 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.039 I mean, to be honest, I don't think any officer 268 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.639 would really listen to a culprit saying, oh, I'm innocent, 269 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.360 it wasn't me. You got the wrong guy, Like, I'm 270 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.799 pretty sure that's true. I think they hear that over 271 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:21.440 and over again. 272 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.960 So, but that's scary for him because his son's. 273 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:29.200 Inside well exactly so, as Butch was being led out 274 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:33.120 to an unmarked white Ford Crown Victoria, which is like 275 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:38.679 the standard police cruiser type Macon model that which was 276 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:40.519 parked in his driveway. He told the officer who was 277 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.480 leading him, He's like, I've got my twelve year old 278 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.279 son inside and he's alone. Like what should we do? 279 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:47.840 He's like, I can't be just like arrested and leave 280 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:49.200 my son alone. 281 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:53.639 Yeah, that's probably like another crime. Yeah, I know, I'm 282 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:54.600 maybe not at twelve. 283 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.879 Yeah, So Butch was still handcuffed and put into the 284 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.960 back of the vehicle, where he's with another officer inside 285 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.840 the car. And then the original officer returned to the 286 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:08.000 house and then walked back out with Butcher's son as well, 287 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.480 who was now also handcuffed. 288 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:10.720 What. 289 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:14.159 Yes, and he was led over to the car just 290 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.600 like his dad and put in the back seat next. 291 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.279 To him a twelve year old boy. Yes, okay, that 292 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.440 doesn't seem quite right, but I'm not sure. Okay, what 293 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.200 the hell did the twelve year old boy do? Arrested 294 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:28.039 for drugs as well? 295 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.879 Maybe Okay, I don't want to get too far ahead 296 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.039 here and just start spilling all the details. 297 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.600 No, okay, yeah, no, we'll keep listening. 298 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.399 Well, the two are now sitting side by side, father 299 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.200 and son handcuffed in the back of the car, and 300 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.679 the officers drove out of the driveway and headed to 301 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:49.440 the police station. It wasn't long though, that Butcher knew 302 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:53.559 something wasn't right. At first, he thought he was just 303 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.639 mistaken identity and it would get all sorted out shortly 304 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:59.480 when he arrived at the station. But when they drove 305 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:04.240 right the Phoenix City Police Department, Butcher's stomach turned in knots. 306 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.720 It was at that moment he knew that these two 307 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:09.159 men were not police officers. 308 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.919 Shit, okay, that was like at the back of my mind. 309 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.919 But I'm like, no, oh my gosh, what did. 310 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.200 I say in the intro? Things are not always oh. 311 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:25.440 All right, okay, this is freaking terrifying. Yes, holy shit, 312 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.759 see that. Okay, when people like are faking faking, I 313 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.879 don't know, impersonating. Yes, there you go to be someone else, like, 314 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.679 especially like a police officer. That is terrifying. 315 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.440 Yeah, well that's why it's a federal offense. 316 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.440 Oh my gosh, okay, yikes. 317 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:46.919 So instead of heading to the police station, these two 318 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.360 men drove Butcher and his son to an area where 319 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:53.000 a four lane highway, Highway four thirty one to be specific, 320 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:57.240 was being constructed. It was isolated and it was dark, 321 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.240 Butch was hauled out of the car and the two 322 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:05.320 men began brandishing a knife and threatening both him and 323 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:11.799 his son, saying that they want money, more specifically one 324 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.240 hundred thousand dollars in cash that they said they knew 325 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:15.960 he had. 326 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:20.759 Seriously, yes, okay, did he actually have that kind of 327 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:24.720 money again? Oh, we'll get to that, okay. 328 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.000 Butch was in shock at first. He tried to deny 329 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:31.600 the claim of any sort of money, but as soon 330 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.120 as the men pressed and insisted on it, Butch gave in. 331 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:38.320 He told them he had a safe at home with 332 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.159 all the money in it, and he'd let them have 333 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:43.200 it all if he just didn't get hurt along with 334 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.679 his son. So don't hurt us. I'll give you all 335 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.759 the money I have. It's at home, like that's that's 336 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.720 where it's okay, it just don't hurt us, right. 337 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.200 Well, yeah, I mean like his son's life and his 338 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:54.639 own life is worth more. 339 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:59.480 Exactly. So the men agreed, and Butch told them exactly, 340 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.639 we're the safe was in his house. So the men 341 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.440 loaded Butch back up in the car and they drove 342 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:08.119 right back to his house. Once at home, Butch gave 343 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.400 them the access to the safe or which, by the 344 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.680 sounds of it, was more just like a little box okay, 345 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:19.000 in his bedroom closet, where inside he had over forty 346 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.480 seven thousand dollars in oh. 347 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.519 No, which he probably worked so hard to get. 348 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:30.400 Yes, oh, this wasn't enough, though. They were after one 349 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.519 hundred thousand dollars that they knew he had, so they 350 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:38.400 began to search the house, and despite Butch reassuring them 351 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:43.000 that's all he had, they kept searching. He was right, though, 352 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.519 that's all the money he had. But the two men 353 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.039 did find something else of interest during their search, a 354 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.519 thirty eight caliber Smith and Wesson revolver, which they took 355 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:54.359 with them. 356 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.480 How the shit, why do they think that he has 357 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:01.000 all this money? And like, how do they even know 358 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.359 who he is? And all the Oh my gosh. 359 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.759 Well, there's definitely reasons. There's definitely they have knowledge for 360 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.599 a reason, let's put it that way, which we will 361 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:10.400 get into. So don't worry about that. 362 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.720 It's not one of your unsolved. 363 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:15.720 It's not one of my unsolved. No, So we will 364 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.559 get exactly into why they are after this specific hundred 365 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:23.160 thousand dollars a day. So after they've loaded Butch back 366 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:25.519 up into the car. After collecting the money from his 367 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:29.079 house with his son, they drove off once again, ending 368 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.680 up right back to where they were, with the construction 369 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.880 of that highway in progress. So think of it this way, 370 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:39.240 kind of a desolated area. I mean, there's kind of 371 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:42.160 another roadway nearby, but there's still like a highway off 372 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:47.440 on this offshoot being constructed equipment. No one's around. It's 373 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:49.799 middle of the night, yeah, thing right, Yeah, so that's 374 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.799 exactly where they're finding themselves. And Butch found himself walking 375 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.480 across the dirt with a highway asphalt was soon going 376 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.240 to be laid. He was begging the two men, please 377 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.279 don't hurt myself. So please don't hurt my son. That's 378 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.319 the main thing he's after. He's just like, don't hurt 379 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.480 my fucking son. He's like, leave Brett alone. He was 380 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:09.759 begging them, begging them. 381 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.960 Oh my gosh, this is just like hurting my heart. 382 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:14.240 This is impossible. 383 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:18.359 Hey, it is so. Butch knew if they were after money, clearly, 384 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.960 because that's what they told him. We want this one 385 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:21.960 hundred thousand dollars. 386 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:22.759 Yeah. 387 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.559 So he's like, in the morning, when the bank's opened, 388 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:27.440 we can go to the bank I'll get you more money. 389 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:29.279 He's like, if that's what you want, I'll get you 390 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.759 all the money I can get you. Just don't hurt us, 391 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.880 don't hurt my son. But it didn't seem like anything 392 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.960 he said was being heard. And Butch knew the men 393 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:41.079 weren't about to listen to him either. He knew it 394 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:44.160 was coming because just ahead of him was a pre 395 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:45.839 dug hole in the ground. 396 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:53.240 Holy shit, a shallow grave. O. Kay, is like forty 397 00:19:53.279 --> 00:20:01.720 seven thousand dollars not enough? Like what the actual yeah? Wow, yep, okay, man, 398 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:06.039 can you imagine when he would have saw that hole, just. 399 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.799 Like, I don't want to imagine what that feeling would 400 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:15.240 be like from being honest, Yeah, especially especially the fact 401 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:17.519 that you're you're with your son. 402 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:22.519 Yeah. And because he they also, oh, okay, I don't 403 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:24.400 know if I should say this, but they also like 404 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.279 weren't going to take the sun at first, but then 405 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:31.480 he thought that he was with like police officers, and 406 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:33.400 oh my gosh, this is. 407 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.880 Now to play Devil's advocate on this one. He probably 408 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.519 would have gotten taken anyways, the sun, yes, because they 409 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:43.599 were after money, which was in the house, so they 410 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.160 would have searched the house and found the sun regardless 411 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.880 of the Dad was speaking up to Sha. 412 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.960 Yeah, they did go back and stuff. Yeah, yes, so. 413 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.160 I believe Brett would have been found either. 414 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:58.519 Way, regardless, Yes, yeah. So. 415 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:01.200 As Butch was being led by the men, one of 416 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.079 them suddenly leaned over with a knife and pressed it 417 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.400 right up against the side of his neck and slid 418 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.319 the blade across Butcher's throat, cutting it wide. 419 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.200 Oh my gosh. 420 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:16.000 As the man said, that's sharp, isn't it. 421 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.079 What the fuck? 422 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.079 So Butch now had a gaping wound across his neck. 423 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:27.519 He was bleeding and in severe pain, but he wasn't dying, 424 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:30.839 so the other man grabbed the knife and cut his 425 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:31.720 throat again. 426 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:32.000 Oh. 427 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:35.720 As Butch laid in the ground with his blood now 428 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.759 pooling around him, one of the men sat on top 429 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.519 of him and told him, quote, go to sleep. 430 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.960 Geez, these guys are freaking awful. 431 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:47.160 Yeah. 432 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.680 Wow wow. 433 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:53.319 In the background, as Butch was laying on the ground, 434 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.640 he could hear his son, Brett crying and screaming for 435 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:59.240 the men to stop hurting his dad, to which one 436 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:01.000 of the men told him him that he needs to 437 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:03.559 be more concerned about himself and not his dad. 438 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.000 Wow. Okay, this is just like escalating and. 439 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.240 Yeah, you could say hat for sure. 440 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:12.400 Man, these guys. 441 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:17.599 Okay, So the man who last cut Butcher's throat spoke 442 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.960 up and told the other quote, I've done one, now 443 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.480 you've done one, and now sorry, I've done one. Now 444 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:28.799 you do one, referring to probably providing the killing blow 445 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:30.640 on one. Now you need to provide the killing blow 446 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:30.960 on one. 447 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:31.279 Yeah. 448 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:31.559 Right. 449 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:32.680 Yeah. 450 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.839 It was only moments later that Butch would hear a 451 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.880 gunshot as one of the men took the stolen pistol 452 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.000 from his home and shot his son, Brett in the head. 453 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:42.880 Wow. 454 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.200 Brett fell to the ground, but just like his dad, 455 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:51.400 was a fighter and did not die from the first attack. 456 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:54.960 The man who shot him said out loud as a 457 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.160 gurgling sound came from the now dying twelve year old boy, 458 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:03.440 the little mother fucker doesn't want to die, and he 459 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:05.920 proceeded to shoot him two more times in the head 460 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.799 to ensure he was dead. 461 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:14.519 Whoa, Okay, this is unbelievable, these fucking people. 462 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:16.160 Yeah, fuck these two. 463 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.200 Yeah, like they are disgusting. 464 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.680 Oh, they are beyond disgusting. Wow, oh beyond trust me. 465 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.240 Oh yeah. 466 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:28.599 The two men then proceeded to push Brett's lifeless body 467 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.519 into the shallow grave that they had dug. They then 468 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:35.799 turned to Butcher, who was still breathing. They then slit 469 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:40.039 his throat one final time and then drug his body 470 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.039 into the grave as well, laying him on top of 471 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:46.680 his son before they filled the hole approximately eighteen inches 472 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.400 of dirt and then drove away. 473 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:57.119 Holy shit, Yeah, okay, wow, I am like just shocked 474 00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.880 here and also really need to know what the fuck 475 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:00.640 is happening. 476 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:03.720 Well, I do want to say this. It was almost 477 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:09.720 the perfect murder. It was the perfect spot. Yeah, most 478 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:14.359 like mostly because a construction site was in a couple 479 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.319 of days going to be covered in asphalt, seeling these 480 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.160 two in a tomb where they would probably never be 481 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.079 found or at least not found for a long time. 482 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:26.440 I never even thought of that. 483 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.200 Yeah, wow, And that's exactly what these two guys were after. 484 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:34.559 These two are going to be killed, buried covered nesphalt, 485 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:37.200 to never be found or at least long after these 486 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.359 guys are gone, and they'd get away with it. 487 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.799 So this was like so premeditated they were really thinking through. 488 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.400 Oh, definitely premeditated. They pre dug a grave. 489 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.920 Well yeah, and like thought thought through, how this can 490 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:52.400 be like covered forever kind. 491 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:57.039 Of thing exactly. So they had thought all this through. 492 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:58.720 They knew that they were going to get away with it, 493 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.799 and they would have a except for one small oversight. 494 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:05.759 Butch wasn't dead. 495 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.200 No, No, three cuts to the neck. 496 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:15.160 They sliced his throat three times, and Butch was not dead. 497 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:20.000 Whoa Okay, Butch is just like incredible. 498 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:25.119 Yeah, Okay, for the record, is our badass of the 499 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:29.920 fucking day? Well? Yeah, Butch laid on top of his 500 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.640 now deceased son and was holding his breath under the 501 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.839 piles of dirt as best as he could, all the 502 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:41.599 while pretending to be dead and listening to his attackers 503 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:43.920 as they laid dirt on top of him. 504 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.079 Oh my goodness, he. 505 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.119 Could hear them talking, he could hear them laughing, and 506 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.480 he could hear them finally driving away. And at that 507 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.839 moment is when Butch began to dig himself out. 508 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.799 What, yes, is that even possible? 509 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:05.839 Sixteen sorry, approximately eighteen inches of dirt isn't a whole lot. Okay, 510 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.480 if they dug a proper grave, he probably would have 511 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:08.960 been screwed. 512 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.960 Okay, yeah. 513 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.160 Immediately once he was out of the grave. He immediately 514 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.319 turned to his son, pulled him out as best he could, 515 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.440 and began doing chest compressions in CPR to try and 516 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:27.440 revive his son. Oh no, Unfortunately his efforts were in vain. 517 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:32.480 His son was already deceased. He wasn't ready to give up, though. 518 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.839 He did CPR and chess compressions for as long as 519 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:39.240 he possibly could, until he couldn't do it anymore and 520 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:43.680 he had to leave to try and find help. After that, 521 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.680 he was able to flag down a passing by vehicle 522 00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:50.160 on a nearby road and that individual called nine to 523 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:55.599 one one. Russell County Sergeant Darryl Powell was the first 524 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.440 to arrive on the scene. Butch was there holding a 525 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.440 towel or a shirt. It's hard to really tell. Up 526 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.759 to his neck that was soaked Crimson with his own blood. 527 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.000 Holy, how is he even still functioning? 528 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.960 Yeah? How is he at all? And there is dashcam 529 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.160 footage of this from the sergeant that pulls up on 530 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:14.559 the scene. 531 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.119 Really, yes, huh, because I could only imagine how much 532 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.039 blood he's losing. 533 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:20.960 Yeah, he would have lost a lot. 534 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:22.240 Yeah. 535 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.240 So Sergeant Darryl Powell over the police radio as he 536 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.680 was calling in the incident has this to say, quote, 537 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.200 no bullshit. I've got a man whose throat has been 538 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.960 cut saying his son's buried in a grave down there. 539 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:39.240 This is a bad one, and he is right. 540 00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.400 This is very much so a bad one. 541 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.960 Yes, WHOA. I can't believe like how much strength it 542 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:49.960 would take to not only muster up the thought of 543 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.880 playing dead, to then dig yourself out of a grave, 544 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.640 to then pull your son out of said grave, try 545 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.720 and do CPR, and then flag down a vehicle and 546 00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.279 do all these things that Butch is doing with his 547 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:04.960 throat cut. 548 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.400 Yeah, because he did a flag down a vehicle, he 549 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.759 had to like walk some sort of a distance as well. 550 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.799 Yes, not there. I'm unsure of the distance exactly how 551 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.359 far he walked, but I don't think it was too far. 552 00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.400 But yes, he still would have had to at least 553 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.079 go a little ways. Yeah, the road right, So he's 554 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:22.480 had to at least go through a bit of a 555 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:29.039 construction site the next road over. So yeah, So both 556 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.160 the sergeant and the first responders on the scene tried 557 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.119 to usher Bush Butch to the hospital respectably. Like, your 558 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.640 throat's cut three times, You need. 559 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.920 Some care, You really need help. 560 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.960 Yes, let Butch refused to leave, not until he led 561 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:50.039 them to his son to ensure they got to him. 562 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.920 My goodness, still just like, even in that kind of shape, 563 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:54.960 just like his main concern is his son. 564 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.599 Yes, And even when he did finally leave or lead 565 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.359 them to his son, he still did I don't want 566 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.279 to leave his son's side. He's like, no, I'm not 567 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.880 going to the hospital here with my son. I got 568 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:04.839 to stay with my son. 569 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.079 Oh my gosh. 570 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.799 Finally he did go to the hospital, but he was 571 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.359 only going after one of the officers convinced that he 572 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.839 would probably die if he didn't go to the hospital, 573 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.039 and then the attackers would get away with this without 574 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.079 his him being alive for a witness. So that is 575 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.079 the only reason he went to the hospital. 576 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.440 The only reason, because yeah, he's like, these guys need 577 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.359 to get taken down. 578 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.759 Yes, if it wasn't for that convincing argument, he would 579 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.720 have just stayed with his son the whole time and 580 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.359 foregoing his own life probably yeah. 581 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:41.160 Wow. 582 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.160 So before he did go to the hospital for treatment, though, 583 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.400 Butch was able to give police a lot of information 584 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.240 regarding the two men. He described the vehicle that they 585 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.799 were driving. He told them that they had his house key, specifically, 586 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.319 the gun was going to be in the vehicle too, 587 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.759 And to top it all off, Butch said he knew 588 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:02.880 one of the men. 589 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.920 He knew one of the men. 590 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:09.160 Yes, Oh, but we're going to get into that detail 591 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:09.920 here in a little bit. 592 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.119 And they might even be at his house right now too, 593 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.400 exactly right if they have the key and stuff. 594 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.039 So they have the key, they took his money, Butch 595 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.720 described that, Yeah, and clearly they want more money. So 596 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.519 police thought the exact same thing. They're probably back at 597 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.240 Butcher's house right fucking now. 598 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:29.359 Well, yeah, because in their mind, both of these guys 599 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:29.839 are dead. 600 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.519 Yeah, exactly, so they've got all the time in the world. 601 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.200 They got this whole evening. Yeah, No one's going to 602 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:35.119 find you guys to. 603 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:36.519 Do a real good search of that house. 604 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:41.319 Yes, So police went to Butcher's house and waited, and 605 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:46.359 sure enough, only thirty minutes later, a white Crown Victoria 606 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:47.480 pulled up to the house. 607 00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.599 Oh jeez. 608 00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.279 Inside was third was forty three year old bail bondsman 609 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.200 Michael Caruth. So bail bondsman is basically someone who like 610 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.720 bail's people of jail and stuff. Michael more specifically worked 611 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.480 for a bail bondsman company, his wife's company, and he 612 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:10.440 was like, uh, what do they call those guys? It 613 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.440 didn't actually write down the title, but when he's like 614 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:19.000 out hunting people down hunter, that's what he is. So 615 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:20.960 he's a bounty hunter that works with the bonds bail 616 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:27.799 bail bondsman company. Interesting, Yeah, which explains the badge, the hats, 617 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.720 being able to get the car for example, all these 618 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:31.359 sort of things. 619 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.319 Right, Oh my gosh, that's like gross, Yeah it is. Oh, 620 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.839 that's really disturbed. So this guy in particular, kidding what 621 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.680 an asshole? Like worse than that? 622 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.920 Yep. Inside his car they found handcuffs, Butcher's house keys, 623 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:51.119 a narcotics officer hat who he had. Michael had blood 624 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.599 on his shoes and pants as well. There was no 625 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.960 mistaking that this was one of their suspects. But the 626 00:31:58.039 --> 00:31:59.960 other suspect, where is it? 627 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.839 Okay? So there was just one guy in the vehicle. 628 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.200 Pulling up correct. So Michael was taken into custody and 629 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:11.039 questioned back at the police station. Michael was very cold 630 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.200 and denied any of the allegations thrown his way. 631 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.480 Yeah, yeah, you're really in a place to deny it a. 632 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:21.759 Shit, Yeah, well as far as he knew, though there 633 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.160 was no witnesses to his crime. The bodies are buried, 634 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.920 The bodies are not ever going to be found. They 635 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.799 don't have evidence. Oh okay, so they don't have bodies. 636 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.000 The police didn't divulge that Butch was alive. 637 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.160 Not right away. No, No, as far as as far 638 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.359 as Michael concerned, if he just keeps denying it, he's 639 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.400 going to get away with it because they don't have bodies. 640 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.960 They don't have anything, right, They probably just have like 641 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.119 a report calling in of some noise at a house. 642 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.839 That's all they've got, something like that, right, So he 643 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.880 just denied, denied, denied, and he's like, yeah, I'm going 644 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.079 to get away with it. And he was just stone 645 00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.960 cold about it, that is, until the officers played their 646 00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:01.000 ace card they let Michael know that Butch was Dill alive. 647 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.720 He must have been freaking shocked out of his fucking mind. 648 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.799 Yeah, actually he was, because, reportedly, according to the officers 649 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.119 who were questioning him, as soon as Michael heard this, 650 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.279 you could see the fucking blood drain from his face 651 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.119 and he just got instantly pale with Yeah. 652 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.319 His jaw hit the freaking ground. 653 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.279 Yeah, whoa. So Michael, clearly, as we know it, wasn't 654 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.680 the only one involved with this. Butch had mentioned to 655 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.119 police that he recognized one of the men. Michael wasn't 656 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:32.559 one of the men. 657 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:34.240 Okay, that's good. 658 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:39.759 The other man he recognized was Jimmy Brooks Junior. So 659 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.240 Jimmy Brooks Junior was the son of a repoman that 660 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:47.640 Butch occasionally employed on his used car lot. So this 661 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.680 man would go, you know, repossess vehicles that people are 662 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.680 not making their payments on, right, okay, Yeah, And Jimmy 663 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.359 was this guy's son who worked with this guy as 664 00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.000 a repoman occasionally on his lot. So he's met him, 665 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.839 he's seen him, he doesn't know him, but he recognizes him. 666 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:03.039 Right. 667 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.199 So it didn't even take police twelve hours before they 668 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:09.800 managed to track down Jimmy. 669 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:10.599 Okay, good. 670 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.679 And when they apprehended him, he was reportedly in the 671 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.320 process of burning his bloodied clothes from the night before. 672 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.400 Oh gosh, just disgusting. 673 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.599 Yeah. So when Jimmy was questioned, he was very much 674 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.519 so unlike Michael. Jimmy sang like a bird without even 675 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:35.360 being really pushed. Oh okay, No, he didn't physically sing. 676 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.199 He wasn't like, oh he sang, Okay, like he just 677 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:43.000 like started divulging all in for me. Yes of his crime. 678 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.519 Yes, he didn't actually just bust out an opera or anything. 679 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.639 Well, I think I kind of zoned out for a 680 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.519 minute and then I was like, just heard you say 681 00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.280 he sang, and I was like, what is he singing? 682 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.440 Could you imagine just being questioned by police all of 683 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.800 a sudden, like busting out your favorite Katie Perry song 684 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.920 or some shit. Yeah, that'd be interesting. 685 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:02.280 That would be interesting. 686 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.239 I'd be like, this guy needs to go get his 687 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:10.199 mental health check. Yes, yes, but yeah, so Jimmy sang 688 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.400 like a bird in the meaning of spilling all the 689 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.599 details of what happened. He was able to tell police 690 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.840 not only what happened, though, but how it happened and 691 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.280 how it all came to be an idea of happening 692 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:28.639 in the first place. Okay, So Michael, being this bail bondsman, 693 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.000 would you call it again, bounty hunt, bounty hunter dude, 694 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:38.679 whatever his exact position was, managed to post bail for 695 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.480 Jimmy and use that against him, saying now that he 696 00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.039 owes him the money back, and if not the money back, 697 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:48.880 then favors to help collect the money. So Jimmy's in jail, 698 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.559 Michael goes gets him out of jail via paying the bail, 699 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.320 and then's like, yeah, you owe me now. 700 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.000 Oh my goodness. And then did Jimmy know that Butcher 701 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.559 had all this money or something? 702 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.960 Well pretty much yes. So the end goal though, was 703 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.079 to collect enough money and build an underground hy hydroponic 704 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.119 grow up for it all. That's Michael's over arching plan here. 705 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:15.119 That's the end goal. 706 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.400 That's the end goal, right, motherfucker yea. And then Jimmy, 707 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.840 knowing that he now needs to essentially pay back all 708 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.400 the debt of his bail, he told Michael about this 709 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:26.239 guy that he knew who had a lot of cash 710 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.679 on hand aka Butch working with his dad and his lot. 711 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.559 He's like, oh, yeah, this guy's got lots of cash 712 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:33.639 because his business and stuff. I've seen lots of cash. 713 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.119 And he though I don't think he's actually seen one 714 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.000 hundred thousand dollars, he told Michael. He's like, I've seen 715 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.360 one hundred thousand dollars cash with my own eyes. Oh, 716 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.280 I'm pretty sure that was a bit of a white 717 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.199 lie there. And the one hundred thousand dollars thing. Yeah, 718 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.079 did know that he had lots of cash with his business? 719 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.239 Okay, well, yeah, because he worked really freaking hard. 720 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.599 Yeah, and I'm pretty sure he kept lots on hand 721 00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.599 for like, you know, used deals or whatever, purchasing cars 722 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.239 that like that sort of thing. Yeah, And so that's 723 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.440 why he had most of his cash on hand to 724 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.440 deal with his business. And this guy knew it and 725 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.599 told Michael. He's like, yeah, this guy he should be 726 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:10.280 our target. Toe. 727 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.639 That's how they picked him. 728 00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.920 That's how they picked him. 729 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.480 I really don't love that. That's really brutal, it is. 730 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.599 There was another shocking confession that came to light as 731 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.840 well from Jimmy. Jimmy also confessed to being involved in 732 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:31.199 another murder, oh, the double homicide of a Therma Ratliffe, 733 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.400 who was sixty eight and his wife, Catherine Ratliffe, who 734 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.280 was sixty two. Now, these two were shot and killed 735 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.000 in their own home before the place was ransacked for money, 736 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.360 and the two would flee flee from the scene on 737 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.199 January thirtieth, only a couple weeks before the incident with 738 00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:49.519 Butch and his son. 739 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:54.159 Really, yes, and Michael was involved in that one too. 740 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:55.920 Both of them were. 741 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.920 Something yes, they both were. 742 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.880 Oh so this wasn't even their first No, it wasn't. 743 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.679 So there isn't a whole lot of information regarding this 744 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:05.840 case online. I'm going to tell you that right now. 745 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.800 But the situation does seem to be pretty much the 746 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.119 same as it was with Butch and his son. It 747 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.280 would be Jimmy and a man by the name of 748 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.440 James Edward Gary who was also involved, who just so 749 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.840 happened to also be bailed out by Michael, who now 750 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.199 owed Michael, you know, money. 751 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.519 I mean, they're all monsters, but Michael's like, really, really 752 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:33.920 really a monster. 753 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.159 Yes he is. So he was in the very same 754 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:41.960 situation as Jimmy was this James, And so under Michael's direction, 755 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:47.800 James and Jimmy were driven by Michael to the Ratliff's home, 756 00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.840 from which they went in, broke in, killed the two, 757 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.559 stole money, and left. 758 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.880 Huh. So, I mean, okay, I just want to say quickly, 759 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.880 because they probably feel like their life is on the line, 760 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.400 right exactly, that might if they can't get this money 761 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.000 or whatever, Michael is probably going to kill them. Yep, 762 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.000 and they are already criminals, and yeah. 763 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.639 Okay, yeah, so clearly Michael has been thinking this through. 764 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.800 He's been planning this. So if I go and get 765 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.559 these guys out of jail who are criminals, and then 766 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.800 I make them work for me, I can get all 767 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.920 this and I can start my underground grow up empire. 768 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.440 Fuck an idiot. Yeah, but yeah, so that that's his 769 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.519 master plan, his puppeteering of this situation. 770 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.000 Huh. There's a lot to just like think through with that, 771 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:34.800 really there is. 772 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:39.039 So clearly there's no arguing this isn't premeditated, which later 773 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.480 on in court he would argue that it was premeditated, 774 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.400 but easily they were able to disprove it simply alone 775 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.480 by saying there's a grave pre dug Yeah, that was 776 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.119 the main thing. They're like, tell me it's not fucking premeditated. 777 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:52.840 Yeah, Like, shut the fuck up, you're wrong. 778 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.440 So it seems between that the three men they had 779 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.639 actually been making a list of people in the area 780 00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.079 who they suspected work, he being large amounts of cash 781 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:04.480 on hand. The rat lifts were their first and unfortunately 782 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:06.639 Butch and his son were the second that were attacked. 783 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.719 So they were going to continue their spree until they 784 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.840 had enough money to build said grew up empire. 785 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.880 So I imagine. Yeah, there's other people on that list, 786 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.480 could you hey like that they were about to. 787 00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.800 I don't think that list was released to the public though, Yeah, mind. 788 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.400 You, So they probably don't know they were on that list. Yes, 789 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:26.360 but Butch saved them. 790 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:27.199 Yeah he did. 791 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.800 He totally did. So. 792 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.639 James, however, was not involved in the incidant with Butcher 793 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.519 and Brett. He had a very solid alibi, pretty much 794 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.079 as solid as you get, because he was in jail 795 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.000 already on unrelated charges at the time, which is probably 796 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.440 why Michael himself was involved in this one. 797 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.400 Okay, I see. 798 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.440 So all this information was coming in thanks to Jimmy's confession, 799 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.920 though Michael continued to insist his innocence, even though he 800 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.199 had blood in his clothes that DNA testing showed belonged 801 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:01.679 to Butch. 802 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:04.000 Yeah, there's really no way he can get out of this. 803 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.039 No, there's not, like it's one hundred percent obvious. But 804 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:08.519 he maintained his innocence. 805 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.960 Yeah. 806 00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:14.000 So because of his refusal to confess, though, his trial 807 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.039 was a little bit different, but the results were the same. 808 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.920 So Michael was convicted of four counts of capital murder 809 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.960 in connection with the murder of the twelve year old 810 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:29.000 named Brett Boyer and was convicted of attempted murder, robbery 811 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.320 and the first robbery in the first degree, and burglary 812 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:37.480 in the first degree with respect to Butcher Boyer. Okay, so, 813 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:42.000 the jury unanimously recommended that Michael be sentenced to death, 814 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.400 and the judge obliged so in two thousand and three, 815 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.440 he was sentenced to death. Jimmy Brooks, who admitted to 816 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.880 the crimes and everything and sang like a bird ye, 817 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.599 was also sentenced to death a year later in two 818 00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:00.199 thousand and four. Oh, okay, both of the men are 819 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.400 still on death row right now in Alabama, waiting their 820 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:07.000 day that they hear the belt told. So Gary, who 821 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.920 was an accomplice in the other murders, was found guilty 822 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.400 in two thousand and five and sentenced to life without parole. Okay, Luckily, 823 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:19.760 Butch would undergo intense surgery on his neck and ultimately 824 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.280 survive the ordeal. WHOA, yes, But as you said, thanks 825 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.280 to his actions, his son's killers were brought to justice, 826 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.519 and of course who knows how many others were saved 827 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.119 from being killed and becoming the next victims. Oh? 828 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.840 Absolutely, I think he probably saved tons of lives probably Wow, 829 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.800 But I mean as awesome as that must feel. And 830 00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.920 like he still lost his son though, the poor guy 831 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:45.719 like he did. 832 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.320 But that man is a fucking hero. Well yeah, like 833 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:51.719 there's no short answer about that. 834 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.440 No, And I also feel like he's probably just like 835 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.000 so tough and hopefully I don't know if anyone can 836 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.920 make any good of something so terrible happening, it feels 837 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:03.199 like it could be him. 838 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:08.760 Yeah. I just can't imagine pretending to have to be dead, 839 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.440 thrown in a grave with your deceased child, and then 840 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:18.440 digging yourself out and proceeding to get these two apprehended 841 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.440 and never leaving your child's side like the entire time, 842 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.639 basically being forced to go get medical attention. 843 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:31.239 Yeah, the fact that he lived is just it's a miracle. Really. Yeah, 844 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.920 Like I have no idea how because like, isn't there's 845 00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.280 like arteries and stuff in the neck, right, there's arteries 846 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.280 yet that when you cut that, don't you lose like 847 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.079 a punt of blood? And I imagine that they would have, 848 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:43.679 you know, nicked one of those. 849 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:48.679 Yeah, And to quote the description from the officers and 850 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.559 the first responders on scene, his neck was cut from 851 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:52.159 ear to. 852 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:56.519 Ear, so like they would have gone through an artery, wouldn't. 853 00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:59.440 They are they should have, I at least somewhat. I 854 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:00.480 don't know exactly. 855 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.079 Yeah, Like the fact that he lived is. 856 00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:05.679 Just your arteries are right fucking there. Well yeah, either 857 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.119 side of your throat, you can feel. 858 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.760 Them, and and they're not like that deep. So it 859 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.239 just it's honestly amazing to me that he lived. 860 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.920 Yeah, it's it's mind. 861 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.639 Blowing, it is. But I mean, yeah, I'm like so 862 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.960 thankful that he did because yeah, this who knows what 863 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.079 they would have ended up doing. 864 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.920 Yeah, he was able to get these two behind bars 865 00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.719 for his son. Yeah, he's able to get that retribution. 866 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.000 If you will at least, Yeah, which is good. Yeah, 867 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.159 that could be a little bit helpful. So I'm about 868 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:37.840 to sneeze again. 869 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.559 I feel like, do it if you need to, But 870 00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:43.760 I do want to point out, like the whole idea 871 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.599 of things aren't always what they've seen at the very 872 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.559 beginning of this that I talked about. So Butch was 873 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:52.119 fooled with them, and they're just their officer disguised. But however, 874 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.119 Butch flipped the entire table on them, and he fooled 875 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.480 them with thinking that he was dead when he wasn't. Yeah, 876 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.039 so he pulled I mean not the same, but he 877 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.000 pulled the wool over their eyes, just as they did him. 878 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.320 And because of that he survived. And because of that, 879 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:09.360 these guys are behind bars. 880 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.679 Yeah, yep. I wonder if at any point that he 881 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:18.239 ever like divulged that he he knew Jimmy. Hey, I'm 882 00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:19.360 kiss curious of that. 883 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:21.960 So I did look into some of the documents as 884 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.519 best I could, and he he said in the vehicle 885 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:32.599 he recognized Jimmy, but didn't it didn't let on. I 886 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.599 wasn't sure if Butch didn't let on that he recognized 887 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.639 Jimmy or Jimmy didn't let on that. Yeah, Butch, you 888 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.960 do recognize me. I am that guy. I couldn't clarify 889 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:48.119 between witch's witch. Yeah, I'm assuming Butch himself didn't let 890 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:49.480 on that he recognized Jimmy. 891 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.559 Yeah, probably because he seems like he kind of I mean, 892 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.840 even in just complete disasters, like kind of like think 893 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:58.599 sings through a little bit, right. 894 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.199 But there is one of two ways it plays out. 895 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.719 Either he did recognize him and didn't speak up, or 896 00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.679 the other way, he's like, hey, I recognize you. And 897 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.599 Jimmy was like, no, you don't. Yeah, those are the 898 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:09.159 two options. 899 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:10.239 Are you're you're mistaken? 900 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.920 Yeah, but he didn't lead on is exactly how it 901 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:19.280 was worded in the court documents. Oh yeah, take that 902 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.599 and figure that one out. I don't know. I couldn't. 903 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.880 I couldn't make heads of tails of it. I'm assuming that, Yeah, 904 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:28.079 Brett orbitorry Butch was just like keeping his lip sealed. 905 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.239 And you watch that video then, oh yeah, wow yeah 906 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.079 huh And what is like Butch like a is he 907 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.480 like a bigger guy like kind? 908 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.920 I mean it's kind of hard to tell from the 909 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.400 Dashkam footage. Yeah, per se. But and especially considering I 910 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.559 wasn't paying attention to how big Butch was. I was 911 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.880 more like, holy shit. 912 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.119 Yeah, I'm just curious, like what he what? 913 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.800 As far as I could tell, he's probably just like 914 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.559 your average guy, average build sort of thing. 915 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.840 Okay, h interesting, geez. 916 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.119 What a fucking hero though, man. 917 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.679 A superhero yeah, but also just a super shitty case 918 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:05.719 and story too. 919 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.599 Being targeted all because you just you know, work hard. 920 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.760 Yeah yeah, and the wrong person found out? 921 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:14.760 I guess yep. 922 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:18.400 Jeez. I mean a lot of things had to line 923 00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:20.639 up for that to happen, really, but. 924 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.400 But even still like, it's the wrong person who found 925 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.239 out it got to Michael, and Michael was going to 926 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.119 do this to someone else though too. If it wasn't 927 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.119 Butcher and Brett, he was going to do it to 928 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.559 someone else. Yep. It just so happened that he did 929 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:36.239 it to Butcher, and Butch was the man who was 930 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.599 able to fucking stop him in his tracks. Yep, it 931 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.599 cost but Butch was able to stop him. 932 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.519 Yeah. I hope that brings him a little bit of peace. Yeah, 933 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.679 because that what he did is it's unbelievable. It's amazing. 934 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.599 Yea. So he is definitely our badass of the day. 935 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.199 Is the story of Butch and Brett Boyer. 936 00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:58.559 Wow, what a story. 937 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.360 Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one. I definitely thought it 938 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.159 was a story worth sharing. Yes, if you want to 939 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.960 hear more, you can go over to Patreon. We got 940 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.639 some exclusive stuff over there. Last day of every month, 941 00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.159 new exclusive episode comes out, and by now we've got 942 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.400 a big library being built up. How many do you 943 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.039 think we have over there? By now, probably got like forty. 944 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:19.719 Hey, oh man, I don't know if we would have 945 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:21.440 that many I'm gonna say like twenty five. 946 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.000 Well, it's got to be more than that. We've been 947 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.679 doing Patreon for more than twenty five week or twenty 948 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:27.719 five month? Oh wait, maybe twenty five. I don't know. 949 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.760 I was thinking weeks now month, maybe twenty five to 950 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.679 thirty thirty let's go thirty maybe thirty. 951 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.079 Maybe we'll figure that out. 952 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.800 In that vicinity of numbers. 953 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:37.559 There you go. 954 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.679 Yeah, but yeah, we have Patreon link down below. You 955 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:43.440 can go check out The Fearful with Jacko's podcast. 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