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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a letter with.

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<v Speaker 3>Mo Kelly and Marshall Callier on this Tech Thursday. We're

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<v Speaker 3>live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. Marshall Callier, let's dispense

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<v Speaker 3>with the pleasantries because we got to get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Signal.

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<v Speaker 3>Signal, Signal, it's the I will say, a portion of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest story in the world. Most people may not

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<v Speaker 3>have known about signal. What is it beyond obviously some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of communication.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was some sort of religious thing for personally,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't really know. But since we know about signal,

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<v Speaker 4>and one of the things people don't know is what

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<v Speaker 4>is encryption? And we entered encrypt. Well what's encrypt mean? Well,

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<v Speaker 4>there are different kinds of encryption, but in this case,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you've heard of end to end encryption, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>which Gmail supposedly does, right, and Signal does that with

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<v Speaker 4>your texts, as does WhatsApp, as does Telegram.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh so it's not uncommon.

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<v Speaker 4>But you can have man in the middle attacks and

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<v Speaker 4>a man in the middle attack, just like when somebody

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<v Speaker 4>can come up to your house and sees your Wi

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<v Speaker 4>Fi system so they can rob you and your alarm

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<v Speaker 4>won't go off. People can intercept your phone and get

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<v Speaker 4>all the information.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, no, go ahead, go ahead, Please continue.

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<v Speaker 4>But we had a solution to this which I don't

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<v Speaker 4>understand frankly, and we'll talk about the Signal company and Milte.

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<v Speaker 4>There was BlackBerry, yes, if you remember, President Obama used

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<v Speaker 4>BlackBerry till the end.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, hold that thought, because I want to play

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<v Speaker 3>this clip which kind of highlights where I think you're going.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is Chris Pearson, who is the CEO of

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<v Speaker 3>black Cloak, and he makes this distinct that I want

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<v Speaker 3>you to elaborate on.

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<v Speaker 2>So listen to this. Please.

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<v Speaker 6>A text message that you send between yourself and your parents,

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<v Speaker 6>your brothers, your friends, that is pretty much akin to

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<v Speaker 6>sending a postcard. Writing the information on a postcard that

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<v Speaker 6>everyone can see in the mail not going to be

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<v Speaker 6>secure if you have to transmit that information to family member,

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<v Speaker 6>social security number, other information there and you want to

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<v Speaker 6>use in cryptocommunication. Signal is going to be an.

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<v Speaker 7>Application of a choice, but it is a consumer based application.

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<v Speaker 7>The real issue here is that for sensitive or classified

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<v Speaker 7>information that is being used by and transmitted by the

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<v Speaker 7>government that number one, the devices must be protected and

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<v Speaker 7>number two, the application and the transmission.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the data must be protected.

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<v Speaker 8>Just simply using an encrypted app that is only consumer

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<v Speaker 8>grade on a personal device is actually going to open

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<v Speaker 8>up the United States and others to forums, fine hacking,

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<v Speaker 8>and other risks.

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<v Speaker 2>What I want to know is he makes a distinction

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<v Speaker 2>between encrypt.

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<v Speaker 3>The data, which you just talked about, and also the

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<v Speaker 3>device protection.

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<v Speaker 2>What does he mean by that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the data encryption and device encryption in a device,

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<v Speaker 4>it encrypts the storage on the device, which we have.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually currently Windows has a built in program, as does

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<v Speaker 4>Apple file Vault on Apple, but those are full device encryption.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, what Signal.

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<v Speaker 4>Does is it takes the data, encrypts it, in other words,

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<v Speaker 4>turns it into gibberis. So if somebody did intercept that,

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<v Speaker 4>they wouldn't be able to make sense of it. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's a call or a text and once it lands

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<v Speaker 4>on their servers because it has to land on a

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<v Speaker 4>server for it to bounce back to somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, so you can't necessarily hack Signal that data transfer, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But I get the sense that like a personal device,

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<v Speaker 3>since we're talking about government may be more susceptible to

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<v Speaker 4>Well, have you ever seen something and that's called millspeck

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<v Speaker 4>when you're looking for a case for your phone or

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<v Speaker 4>a battery. MILLSPEC means military specifications. Okay, okay, there are

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<v Speaker 4>grades of security. I don't know how many there are.

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<v Speaker 4>But just just like Resident Obama was told stop using BlackBerry,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a danger. Why is that because it wasn't millspec.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't strong enough. You see, you can have a

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<v Speaker 4>rope that's a quarter of an inch thick, you can have.

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<v Speaker 2>A rope that's great analogy four.

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<v Speaker 4>Inches thick, and there's your difference. It's a lot harder

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<v Speaker 4>to saw through that four inch thick rope. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>your real difference. It's a high level of security. And

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<v Speaker 4>if your disc is encrypted where you store the sensitive information,

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<v Speaker 4>it'll prevent unauthorized access.

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<v Speaker 5>Got it, so they can't be hacked.

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<v Speaker 4>They you see, there's other softwares involved here too that

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<v Speaker 4>are protecting we'll say the hard drive, but that's a

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<v Speaker 2>So people understand what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, basically the hard drive and keeping the data in

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<v Speaker 4>gibberish should anybody break it through.

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<v Speaker 5>But if you've got Millspeck, if you've.

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<v Speaker 4>Got which brings to the whole thing, why does not

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<v Speaker 4>our US government? Since BlackBerry had these great products, and

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<v Speaker 4>we know Signal and Signal is a five oh one

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<v Speaker 4>three c charitable foundation. They're in data and their data

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<v Speaker 4>of programming is free for anyone to use to develop

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<v Speaker 4>new software.

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<v Speaker 2>Or deconstruct and reverse engineer too.

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<v Speaker 4>I would imagine, yes you can, but I mean they

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<v Speaker 4>take donations.

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<v Speaker 5>I checked it. It's owned by the Signal Foundation.

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<v Speaker 4>So when it comes to all of this gone to space,

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<v Speaker 4>for heaven's sake, why can't we put together an app

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<v Speaker 4>that's used for governments?

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<v Speaker 5>Karen Bass would be real happy if we had one

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<v Speaker 5>of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean all levels of government. It should be what

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<v Speaker 4>our government uses to talk to each other, period, and

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<v Speaker 4>it should automatically record their texts and their calls so

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<v Speaker 4>that the record is kept, as you know, technically must

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<v Speaker 4>be kept.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the Federal Records Act. And that's what you

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<v Speaker 3>touch upon. But I'm guessing I don't know. I suspect

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<v Speaker 3>that people are using Signal because they don't want a

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<v Speaker 3>record of everything that they're community.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly, and that's true.

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<v Speaker 4>You can use telegram and WhatsApp, like I said, but still,

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<v Speaker 4>when you're talking about military, when you're talking about thousands

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<v Speaker 4>of lives at stake, when you're talking about bombing and

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<v Speaker 4>sinking ships, you really really better put down the dollars

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<v Speaker 4>to put together real software. And honestly, since we have

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<v Speaker 4>such a base of excellent software, now I can tell

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<v Speaker 4>you I'm sure that there is something, but it should

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<v Speaker 4>be distributed to all government agencies.

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<v Speaker 3>Or let me ask you this the possibility it does

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<v Speaker 3>already exist that level of encrypted software which will protect

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<v Speaker 3>not only the communication but the device.

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<v Speaker 2>But individuals have chosen not to use it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you see that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like we talk about our elected people. How many

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<v Speaker 4>of them ever ran a business? Do they know how

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<v Speaker 4>to run a budget? I don't know that they know

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<v Speaker 4>how to run a device, even a phone that has

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they have to know. I'm quite sure

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<v Speaker 2>they're instructed.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm quite sure there are protocols that are put in place,

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<v Speaker 3>such as don't use your own personal device to communicate

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<v Speaker 3>sensitive information, which way know is a variable in this discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, but they don't know. I mean, if you remember

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<v Speaker 4>any of the Congressional hearings or the Senate hearings when

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<v Speaker 4>they ask questions no offense. I'm sure they're really nice

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<v Speaker 4>people in our elected government, but they don't know jack

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<v Speaker 4>about tech tech. I mean kind of having somebody like

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<v Speaker 4>Elon Good or Bad can at least teach them some

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<v Speaker 4>sort of tech or his people can teach them something

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to make our country safer and better for everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>Because yes, spies.

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<v Speaker 3>But we know and you're someone who's traveled the world.

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<v Speaker 3>You have been to China, you know about their capabilities

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<v Speaker 3>and their intentions. Security doesn't mean much if not everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, let me make it real basic and easy

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<v Speaker 3>for people to understand. You can have the best lock

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<v Speaker 3>in the world on your house, but if you leave

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<v Speaker 3>the door unlocks when you walk out, it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 4>But again, like I said, Millspeck consumer grade. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>That's consumer grade.

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<v Speaker 4>But they're telling you you're going to be protected by

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<v Speaker 4>having this expensive system running on Wi Fi. Oh let's

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<v Speaker 4>Wi Fi your door locks. Yes, let's make that safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall Collier, I'd love you for that.

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<v Speaker 3>You just gave us the pure, unfiltered truth, even though

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<v Speaker 3>it may be scary. But speaking of scary, let's talk

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<v Speaker 3>about twenty three and meters and what has just been

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<v Speaker 3>announced regarding that court case and bankruptcy. Finally, when we

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<v Speaker 3>come back, it's later with mo Kelly. Marshall Callier joins

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<v Speaker 3>me in the studio, dropping pearls of wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>Later with mo Kelly and Marshall Callier continues to join

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<v Speaker 3>me in studio on this Tech Thursday. We discussed earlier

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<v Speaker 3>in the what is going on with ancestry excuse me

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three and me the DNA company where you can

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<v Speaker 3>find out about your ancestry, Well, how are your twenty

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<v Speaker 3>three percent this or twenty five percent that? And I

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<v Speaker 3>remember saying that since they're going through bankruptcy, I would

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<v Speaker 3>be very scared if I had given my DNA, if

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<v Speaker 3>only because as they try to settle up with their creditors.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing that twenty three and meters has of

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<v Speaker 3>value would be its data.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the only asset. That's all there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>You and I talked about this a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>as it is what you warned this fact why we

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't be doing this. Now they're bankrupt, they owe money.

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<v Speaker 4>What happens they have to raise money, so they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to have to sell their only assets. And I believe

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<v Speaker 4>it was yesterday the judge in the case gave them

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<v Speaker 4>permission to sell the DNA data.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't even have to do it surreptitiously.

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<v Speaker 4>No, they have a judge's okay. Now, remember we in

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<v Speaker 4>California were covered by the California Consumer Privacy Act. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>very nice. Our politicians did that. But the Genetic Information

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<v Speaker 4>Privacy Act GIPA is a federal act which covers all

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<v Speaker 4>of us. And we may have a really robust policy

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<v Speaker 4>in California, but everybody is so let me tell you

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<v Speaker 4>what to do. Because the judge said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you can settle the sale of the company then and

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<v Speaker 4>then and so it's a moving target. It's when things

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<v Speaker 4>happen in the stock market, you just can't put a finger.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like trying to catch a slight falling knife. You

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to do that. So I want anybody who

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<v Speaker 4>has ever used twenty three in May to go to

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<v Speaker 4>the site, sign in your account, and go to the

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<v Speaker 4>me data at the bottom of page. Clickview next to

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<v Speaker 4>twenty three and me data. Now download your data. You

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<v Speaker 4>the option to download it to your device before proceeding.

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<v Speaker 5>Do that first.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's my question, because I always think like a criminal,

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<v Speaker 3>even though I'm not one. The criminal in me would say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>just because you downloaded your data doesn't mean that you

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<v Speaker 3>still going to be sold to a third party.

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<v Speaker 5>Not Millspeck.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, but I remember, I'm sorry to interrupt you,

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<v Speaker 3>but I remember how twenty three meters was bending over backwards.

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<v Speaker 3>They had an actual ad campaign they were doing on

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<v Speaker 3>radio stations saying that no, we're not going to sell

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<v Speaker 3>your data, your data is safe, yeah yeah, yeah, blah blah,

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe that was the truth or their original intention.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's being sold down right.

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<v Speaker 4>But the thing is, the other company, Ancestry, was at

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<v Speaker 4>information so they could put together their family's genealogy. Twenty

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<v Speaker 4>three and me had nothing really except.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to input the data.

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<v Speaker 4>You're two percent from Iceland. So once you download your data,

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<v Speaker 4>you just scroll to the delete data section. That should

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<v Speaker 4>be easy click permanently delete data.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they don't have a copy somewhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I'm telling.

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<v Speaker 2>You, I know you just say what they're saying. I

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<v Speaker 2>just waited.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually they didn't say this everybody, but that there's more

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<v Speaker 4>confirm your request. You'll receive an email from twenty three

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<v Speaker 4>in may. Follow the link in the email to confirm

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<v Speaker 4>your delete. So once you've deleted it, you better answer

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<v Speaker 4>that email otherwise, oh wise you haven't confirmed you want

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<v Speaker 4>to delete it now, if you've previously opted to have

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<v Speaker 4>your saliva sample and DNA stored by twenty three and

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<v Speaker 4>meters and a lot of people did for research purposes

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<v Speaker 4>things like that, you want to change the preferences and

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<v Speaker 4>to preferences and you can withdraw consent on the account

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<v Speaker 4>settings page under Research and Product Consents. So do it

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<v Speaker 4>under GIPA, which I mentioned earlier, California consumers can delete

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<v Speaker 4>their account and genetic data and have the actual biological

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<v Speaker 5>Now, whether they're going to do it or not, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, it's just like a like pinky swear.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's pinky swear. Because I remember when this was

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<v Speaker 4>first coming up. Famous school I think was Harvard did

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<v Speaker 4>a study because they would tell you it's anonymized, it's

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<v Speaker 4>under a number, it's not under your name. But they

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<v Speaker 4>could tell from either the saliva or the blood or

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<v Speaker 4>whatever what pollens this person was inhaling. They could narrow

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<v Speaker 4>without having that information, and then put in, oh, well

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<v Speaker 4>there's a red hair gene here that how many redheads

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<v Speaker 4>live in that once? Okay, so and they can go

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<v Speaker 4>through the genetic data and blow your cover it is

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<v Speaker 4>not anonymized.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's cheery. I feel all better already know.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I'm very glad that I never did it, And

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<v Speaker 3>to my knowledge, no one in my family has either.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah you never know.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, As far as I know, no one in

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<v Speaker 3>my family has maybe they did it and didn't tell anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>The next thing I know, mister Kelly, you're wanted from

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<v Speaker 3>me because you mentioned genealogy profile.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand when we see the crime movies where

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<v Speaker 4>the guy drops his coffee cup in the garbage can

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, you know, the CSI guy just

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<v Speaker 4>picks it up and oh yeah, there's DNA now, oh yeah, yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>how could that be legal?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I actually do know the answer to good Because

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<v Speaker 3>just like anything which is in your trash can out

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<v Speaker 3>on the street, you don't have a reasonable expectation of

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<v Speaker 3>privacy for that which has been discarded. So if it's

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<v Speaker 3>been discarded now, I don't know if they can just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, take a glass off your desk just because

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<v Speaker 3>they came in to talk to you and try to

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<v Speaker 3>take your DNA.

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<v Speaker 2>But stranger things have happened.

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<v Speaker 5>Really.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm a cynical person, so I just believe the

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<v Speaker 3>worst of people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm to the Club of twenty four. If you remember

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<v Speaker 4>that series, you know, trust no one. I really don't

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<v Speaker 4>trust because it's too easy to break the rules.

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<v Speaker 3>Marsha Collier more great advice. Trust nobody. I don't trust Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't trust Stefan, damn sure. Don't trust Twala. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm being serious, Mark, I do not trust you. You

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't like you, No, you shouldn't. This is perceptive on

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<v Speaker 3>your partner. Marshall Collier. Always great to see.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll see you next week and let's have a cheerier topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, the world is gonna do what the world's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do, and the news is gonna be what.

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<v Speaker 2>The news is. I know, no guarantees, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, we'll figure out something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand

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