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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, Episode number three eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to do anything on a film set. Nick

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, showing you the craft and

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<v Speaker 2>And here's your host, Alex Ferrari. Welcome, Welcome to another

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<v Speaker 2>this is one episode I wish existed when I was

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<v Speaker 2>first starting out in the film industry. We are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be talking about how to survive on a film set.

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<v Speaker 2>The film set is this magical place with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different languages and words and things that the normies

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<v Speaker 2>out there would never understand, like what's a stinger, what's

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<v Speaker 2>an apple box, what's a martini shot? And so many

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<v Speaker 2>other things, And today's guests down and wrote a book

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<v Speaker 2>to explain it in the most beautiful and easy way

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen. Her name is Christine Chen and she

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<v Speaker 2>is a veteran of the film set, to say the least.

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<v Speaker 2>And this episode we talk about a lot of those words,

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<v Speaker 2>how to act on set, what some of these words

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<v Speaker 2>mean so you don't look like a new beyond set

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<v Speaker 2>and even if you've been on set a ton, this

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<v Speaker 2>episode might remind you of those few things into other

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<v Speaker 2>departments that you might not know about and might help

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<v Speaker 2>you not look like, oh god, this this person has

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what they're talking about on set. It's a really,

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<v Speaker 2>really valuable episode. So without any further ado, please enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>my conversation with Christine Chen. I like to welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the show, Christine Chen. How you doing, Christine, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for coming on the show. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've done six hundred plus episodes right now at this

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<v Speaker 2>point as of this recording, and I've ever done a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of on set survival guide for not only PA's

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<v Speaker 2>but specifically for pas and interns and onset interns, but

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<v Speaker 2>also for crew members and new crew members and different

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<v Speaker 2>departments that just don't understand the carne language that is

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<v Speaker 2>a film set. So you guys decided to write a

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<v Speaker 2>book called get Yeah, Listen, which, by the way, it

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<v Speaker 2>is as simple beautifully you know, it's not like it's

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<v Speaker 2>as you could if you guys can see, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pictures and everything, so it's real like it's to

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<v Speaker 2>the point, and it's as a book that I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I would have had when I started out. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's why we created it. Yeah, I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 3>pointed that out. That's exactly why we created it. So

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<v Speaker 3>I got started in the industry in like two thousand, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and Jesus fifteen fourteen around then. Sure, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember going on my first set and somebody asking

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<v Speaker 3>me for a stinger, and I had no clue what

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<v Speaker 3>that was. No clue, and nobody tells you this. You

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<v Speaker 3>just get thrown into the wolves and a film set

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<v Speaker 3>is super high paced, and you're already stressed out that

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<v Speaker 3>you want to make a good impression because you finally

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<v Speaker 3>got onto a film set and someone's like, get a singer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I don't know what the f that is,

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<v Speaker 3>And so the only option at that point is to

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully snag a crew member that has the time and

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<v Speaker 3>patience to explain it to you. But then you then

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<v Speaker 3>you have the fear of sounding just showing that you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what you're doing. I mean, not that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you going around set is not enough to show that

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know what you're doing, but like to just

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<v Speaker 3>add insult to that, to be that obvious that you

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<v Speaker 3>don't even know how people talk on set is even worse.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, look, look we will know if you don't,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're nu on set within three to four minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of just seeing the way they exactly, if they're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>their eyes, brand spanking. Then you've got the grizzled grip

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<v Speaker 2>that just walks by has been doing it for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years. And I'm like, there you go. That's he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't care about any movie stars anything. He's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here for a job. You want to push the dolliyy

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<v Speaker 2>pushed the dolly. That's as simple as that. But No,

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<v Speaker 2>when I first got started out, I was thrown into

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<v Speaker 2>the wolves, and I was going to a technical film

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<v Speaker 2>school that actually taught you some of these things. So

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Full Sale in Orlando, where is it

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<v Speaker 2>very technical film school at least it was when I

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<v Speaker 2>was there, and I knew what a stinger was. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's still this Carni language of you know, an apple

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<v Speaker 2>box and and you know a honey wagon and crafty

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<v Speaker 2>and all of these things that you just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And you and I take it for granted, because we've

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<v Speaker 2>been on set up a ton of times over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you're first on set, your you're nervous as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is anyone listening who gets on set

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time, they just have to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>most people, most people on the crew, depending on who

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<v Speaker 2>you get on them, what type of the day you get,

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<v Speaker 2>understand that you know nothing. And if you're a PA,

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<v Speaker 2>it's expected you know nothing unless you're like the forty

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<v Speaker 2>five year old pa. And that's another conversation. Yes, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've met those guys, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever thought of going into a department?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Solid, I'm like, all right, brother, you do you? So?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you? So? Let me ask you the first question,

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<v Speaker 2>why did you want to get into this insanity, this

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<v Speaker 2>carny world that is the film business?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? I when I wake up at like four

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<v Speaker 3>am to get on set, I asked myself that every.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, is this Why am I doing this?

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<v Speaker 3>My? Why? Why did we do this to ourselves? Or

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on the you know, the fifth overnight, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>why am I doing this again? And then I you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you get through it, and then the next day. You

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<v Speaker 3>wake up and let's say you're off. You're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>why am I not on set? You know? And so

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<v Speaker 3>it's weird. It's a very strange thing. And I tell

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<v Speaker 3>new filmmakers this all the time. You'll know if you

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<v Speaker 3>belong or you don't, you know, you'll go on your complain,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll get off. Maybe maybe not one day. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>give you like two or three days, and you if

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<v Speaker 3>you feel the ish, then you just know. I was

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<v Speaker 3>in documentary filmmaking. Actually before I went on set, I

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<v Speaker 3>had been a one man band for a while. In

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<v Speaker 3>undergrad you have to be a well rounded person, so

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<v Speaker 3>they say, you know, you have to do a credit

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<v Speaker 3>in an art class, and so I fell into filmmaking

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<v Speaker 3>at that point. I chose an intro to documentary filmmaking

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<v Speaker 3>course Rice University and loved it. I loved the editing part,

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<v Speaker 3>I loved the telling the story part. Everything, and that

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<v Speaker 3>was I mean, that was all I knew. And I thought, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 3>that was fun hobby. You know, it's and I'll never

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<v Speaker 3>deal with filmmaking again. And I but I should have

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<v Speaker 3>known that things were going to change after that, because

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<v Speaker 3>the proportion of time that I spent on that class.

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<v Speaker 3>The intro class was probably like seventy percent of my

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<v Speaker 3>time and then like the rest of my ten classes

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<v Speaker 3>was like the last ten percent maybe add like partying

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<v Speaker 3>and all the other stuff to it. And so but

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<v Speaker 3>my culture, I'm a first generation in Taiwanese American. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't pursue stuff like filmmaking or art of any sort.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a doctor, an engineer, something practical, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>will give you a study nine to five job. And

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<v Speaker 3>it took me doing one of those jobs that was

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<v Speaker 3>a IT consultant. After I graduated that I realized I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to do that, and I was searching for

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<v Speaker 3>myself as to what I was going to do, and

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason landed on being a lawyer. And so

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<v Speaker 3>you have to take the LSATs to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>even qualify, and to do that, there's prep courses and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm terrible taking tests. So I took one of

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<v Speaker 3>those courses, and you know, the universe has a way

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<v Speaker 3>of laughing at you. My Elsat teacher was a filmmaker

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<v Speaker 3>and he was it was in Houston at that time,

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<v Speaker 3>and he, I guess, had a group that was doing

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<v Speaker 3>the forty eight hour film festival thing. He was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to be a PA. No clue what that was,

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<v Speaker 3>because there's art pas and intro to documentary film at all.

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<v Speaker 3>You are one person, you do everything yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, yeah, sure, we'll be right back after

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<v Speaker 3>No clue. Show up and they get now I know

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<v Speaker 3>what I was actually doing. I was the second AC,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was PA. But they gave me a slate

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<v Speaker 3>and I was the happiest person ever. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, I have such an important job using

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<v Speaker 3>a slate, writing around this thing, and that people wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to take pictures with, you know, and and I just

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<v Speaker 3>it clicked. It just I don't know what happened. They

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<v Speaker 3>say there's divine intervention. Some people go on and have

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<v Speaker 3>a light bulb moment, and I definitely would say I

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<v Speaker 3>had a light bulb moment. I just felt like a

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<v Speaker 3>belonged and that this crazy world was something that I

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<v Speaker 3>really just loved. And it really just took that one set.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I just remember being fascinated with everyone's job,

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<v Speaker 3>which is not common for me usually, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my dad's an engineering. I'll ask one sentence he tells me,

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<v Speaker 3>like fine sentences, and I like tune out after two words.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. But on this film set, every single job

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<v Speaker 3>was fascinating to me. You know, I just I've never

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<v Speaker 3>seen a follow focus before. I just you know, stared

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<v Speaker 3>at that for a very long time. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>grab water for like the grip, and I was like

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<v Speaker 3>watching them build stuff and never seen that before, and

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the makeup, you know, and just everything was cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I looked out because the set that I got on,

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<v Speaker 3>they actually knew what they were doing. I could have

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<v Speaker 3>been on a ship show, but it was it was

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<v Speaker 3>not and I forgot I'm allowed to customer.

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<v Speaker 2>This came too late.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, okay, I mean we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About we're talking about sets here. Okay, So no one

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<v Speaker 2>ever curses on a set, so at all. As much

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<v Speaker 2>cursing as you do on set or hurt you're on set,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know what, when I was on a

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<v Speaker 2>It's an intoxication environment. If you're in a good set.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been on both. I've been on bad sets.

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<v Speaker 2>you know. It just they're just a bunch of monkeys

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been on those sets. And then I've been

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<v Speaker 2>And what's fascinating is that a lot of times you'll

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<v Speaker 2>I think the guy department, yes exactly, or or like

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<v Speaker 2>for the curtains. No, no, five hours for the curtains.

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<v Speaker 2>You got five minutes. So let's move along. So, so

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<v Speaker 2>you've been on set so many times and obviously continues

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<v Speaker 2>to work on sets. What is the biggest, like new

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<v Speaker 2>be mistake you see that that pas make on day

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<v Speaker 2>one or or on set interns too. This this kind

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I think for me is people going feeling entitled.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I say entitled, it means like I think

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<v Speaker 3>You see the red carpets, you see the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think people going in and thinking like, oh, because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be able to jump, you know, jump

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<v Speaker 3>And sure to a certain extent, But like I think

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<v Speaker 3>people forgetting that all the people that are on set

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<v Speaker 3>are and earned the right to be there and I

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<v Speaker 3>and I think you be a mistake is thinking that

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<v Speaker 3>that's labor that's below me, you know. And and I think,

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<v Speaker 3>your career, you know, because you understand the value that

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<v Speaker 3>overall success of the film. And that's the biggest thing

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<v Speaker 3>I see for new Starry Eyed pas is that they

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<v Speaker 3>come in thinking, oh, I went to college and I

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<v Speaker 3>poop and all this other which that happens. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>the problem. And the thing is that we veterans can

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<v Speaker 3>smell that and see that instantly, you know. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>like you said, within two to it's so funny now

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<v Speaker 3>being on the other side, when you're brand new, You're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody can tell I'm brand new. I could just like

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<v Speaker 3>pretend that, No, we can tell within like like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>two to three minutes, now we can also tell within

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<v Speaker 3>two three minutes if you're good or not. And it's attitude.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't have to do with skill, because getting water

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<v Speaker 3>is not a skill. I mean, it's not like a

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<v Speaker 3>thing that you have to learn. Everybody can do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's like an attitude that comes with it for

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<v Speaker 3>people who are good and who are not, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can pick it out like within you know, you probably

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<v Speaker 3>the same way. Within five minutes, I'm like, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>I can count on these four pas out of these twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because there's going to be the four pas who

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<v Speaker 2>are just hustle and left and the eyes how can

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<v Speaker 2>I be anytime you turn around, there there yea waiting

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<v Speaker 2>waiting what.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I do? Do you mean anything? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And then the other ones are sitting around, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back found, Yeah you can't be found, or sitting around

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<v Speaker 2>crafty talking about how the director's doing the job wrong

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<v Speaker 2>and they.

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<v Speaker 3>Can get better. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've seen it so often and it's so and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I love you know, some of these some

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<v Speaker 2>of these older grizzled veterans, the DPS, the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the the key grips, those departments, you know, I just

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>If I see that on set, I'll be like, hey

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<v Speaker 2>that guy, Yeah, good, go do your thing. Go do

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<v Speaker 2>your thing, and and they just start, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>start because it's God, it's it's it's such a weird

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<v Speaker 2>thing on set culture because it is it is a

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<v Speaker 2>Carney world. And I actually made a movie about Carney,

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<v Speaker 2>world and Carneys and what they do and how they

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<v Speaker 2>treat each other. And it's the secret language that you talk,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that we could talk to each other. And

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<v Speaker 2>they'll put you through the grinder until you prove yourself

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<v Speaker 2>that you belong to Yeah, and and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>beat you up and and in a in a almost

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<v Speaker 2>physical way, not in a hopefully not in a derogatory way,

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<v Speaker 2>though I think I've had that happen to me on

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<v Speaker 2>set as well. I think sets have changed a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully since since my day. But it's because it's so

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<v Speaker 2>tough being on set. I mean, I mean when I

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<v Speaker 2>probably after a year of interning and being on stages,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I went I was working at Universal Studios,

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<v Speaker 2>I was working at Disney behind the scenes and productions

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that. And like you said, when i

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<v Speaker 2>going out there somewhere sitting in the mud while it's raining,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, this sucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't you know what, I don't think this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I want to do. I mean, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be on set, but this is not what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do. So I learned I just jumped from that

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<v Speaker 2>to post real quick, and I was like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>air conditioning, carble tunnel, I'll deal with that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>jumped for that. And then when I started to become

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<v Speaker 2>a director and then started you know, as a post guy,

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<v Speaker 2>started to go on set in then started to be

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<v Speaker 2>directing and doing commercials and things like that, it's I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where I want to be. But things that

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<v Speaker 2>I learned along the way was that at a certain

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<v Speaker 2>point in my career, I felt the ego felt that

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<v Speaker 2>it was above doing some menial stuff and the crew

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<v Speaker 2>picks it up. As a director, the crew picks it up.

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<v Speaker 2>So now anytime I'm ever on set, and for the

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<v Speaker 2>last ten, probably ten f plus years, I'm picking up

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll I'll grab stuff, I'll pick stuff up,

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<v Speaker 2>and then other like some of the older what are

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like?

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, guys, we all got to move it along.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like, why are you picking that up?

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<v Speaker 2>You're the director. I'm like, no, it's okay. If it's

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the day, no, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>do a job. But at the end of the day

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<v Speaker 2>we've wrapped. Let me help out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me help out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I never eat first. I always try to let

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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<v Speaker 2>and now back to the show. So they see that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, you guys are busting your ball, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>go I want to help. But these are the little things,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one tells you as a as a filmmaker

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<v Speaker 2>or as a crew person, there's these etiquettes these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hidden languages. It's almost prison yard.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, totally, yeah, I mean I often say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>side to the other side and we do it again. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it's there's nothing super sure, you know, after

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<v Speaker 3>the product is all done and stuff like that, and

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<v Speaker 3>you don't care about the journey. Yeah, sure it could

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<v Speaker 3>be a can be. Be it glamorous, but like it really

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<v Speaker 2>Know, And it is for some I mean it is

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<v Speaker 2>for the actors, I mean the actor and sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>glamorous from the outside, but when they're they're on a

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<v Speaker 2>on the fourteenth hour, freezing on a green stream hung

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<v Speaker 2>by cables. Yeah, and they're just like, I got be

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<v Speaker 2>super now, Like what am I doing here? Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's it's it's it's there's harder there's harder work

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. Sure, yes, very we're blessed. We're very blessed,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no question, but it is still not what everyone

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<v Speaker 2>expects it to be. So it's really fascinating that way. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing I always love and I love. What

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<v Speaker 2>you wrote about in your book was walkie talkie etiquette? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I I I think when I was coming up there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of course there was walkie talkies and I knew a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of it because I used to work on

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<v Speaker 2>some some shows for Nickelodeon. So I was never the keypa.

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I was always you know, office PA, or

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<v Speaker 2>or on set PA. But I was in the kep

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<v Speaker 2>a because again, not where I wanted to go, So

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<v Speaker 2>I never went out that road. But can you talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about that is a completely secret language,

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<v Speaker 2>And even to this day, I understand some of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but as a director, it's not something you understand completely.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you express and explain to people what walkie

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, so that's a big thing. When you first go

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<v Speaker 3>on you're not going to see it for a tiny,

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<v Speaker 3>tiny sis because most sets won't be able to afford

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<v Speaker 3>set that has walkie talkies, it can be very jarring

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like, what is this thing? At first it's cool,

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<v Speaker 3>and then at the end of the day you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>please throw this in the trash because you have this

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<v Speaker 3>and for people who don't know, the walkie talkies are

417
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<v Speaker 3>a way for things to be moving behind the scenes

418
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<v Speaker 3>while set things are being shot, and you do it

419
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<v Speaker 3>very quietly because everybody has an ear piece in the

420
00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:43.880
<v Speaker 3>ear and they can't hear. You know, it's not open

421
00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.279
<v Speaker 3>WALKI hopefully, and you can't hear things are happening because

422
00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.680
<v Speaker 3>it's all this in your head over the walkie and

423
00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:57.079
<v Speaker 3>so there's just a specific way that you answer respond

424
00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.880
<v Speaker 3>and it's very military. Honestly, I've heard it is it's

425
00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:06.559
<v Speaker 3>I believe that's where it really came from. But a

426
00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.680
<v Speaker 3>lot of it is. The way I can describe it

427
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:13.720
<v Speaker 3>is like if you were blind, Like, how would you

428
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<v Speaker 3>know somebody heard your message, understood your message, and is

429
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:22.680
<v Speaker 3>working on your message right because and you're delivering this

430
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<v Speaker 3>to you know, however big your crew is, because everybody

431
00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 3>is on the walkie, you know, and certain departments on

432
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 3>their own channels and whatever. Most for the most part,

433
00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 3>people are on channel one for production, and so you

434
00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Speaker 3>just have to get really good at being specific and

435
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:45.759
<v Speaker 3>to keep the traffic on the walkie talkie as minimal

436
00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:50.559
<v Speaker 3>as possible as well, so being specific concise, and so

437
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:56.400
<v Speaker 3>you're just it's a way of efficient communication and these

438
00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:03.119
<v Speaker 3>shorthand ways of talking. This etiquette for this efficiency of

439
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.720
<v Speaker 3>talking on the radio. So uh, And it's hard. It's

440
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.599
<v Speaker 3>a lot harder said than done, because there will be

441
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.079
<v Speaker 3>something that happens, you know, I don't know, the honeywagon

442
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.240
<v Speaker 3>is stuck, you know, and in the middle of the

443
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:20.160
<v Speaker 3>set or something, and you've got a new PA who's

444
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.599
<v Speaker 3>like freaking out about it because it's his or her

445
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.920
<v Speaker 3>responsibility to get this honey wagon out of the middle

446
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.559
<v Speaker 3>of the scene, and everybody's yelling at them because it's,

447
00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:31.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, taking out precious time from shooting, and they're

448
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.240
<v Speaker 3>describing this over the walkie and nobody and somebody who

449
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:37.400
<v Speaker 3>is nowhere near this set is like, what the f

450
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.799
<v Speaker 3>is going on? You know, and you're just like take

451
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 3>it to too, take it to two, you know, put go,

452
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.480
<v Speaker 3>go on a different channel. But like you just don't

453
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.519
<v Speaker 3>until you've gone through the ringer and you've experienced that

454
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:57.640
<v Speaker 3>or you've you've been on the receiving end to have perspective.

455
00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:02.359
<v Speaker 3>That's me you realize why this etiquette is so important.

456
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:07.880
<v Speaker 3>But it's things like when you have when you're asking

457
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 3>for a department for something, you know, wardrobe, can you

458
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:16.880
<v Speaker 3>insert what you need Christine for, you know, and then

459
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.799
<v Speaker 3>the other receiving end having to say like copy so

460
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:24.599
<v Speaker 3>they know that I heard the message, you know type thing.

461
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:28.759
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's like playing telephone because you can't see anybody.

462
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:32.240
<v Speaker 3>That's the problem, you know. Sometimes you we're all in

463
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 3>different parts of the set. I think that's the that's

464
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 3>to give context. We are all in different parts of

465
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 3>the set that they This could be within driving distance,

466
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 3>far away, this could be deep in the boonies. And

467
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 3>because let's say you're doing a big wide shot and

468
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.720
<v Speaker 3>you can't see people on set in the scene, so

469
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:58.680
<v Speaker 3>they're all hiding like far far away, or somebody who's

470
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:02.480
<v Speaker 3>in a truck who who has no clue is inefficible,

471
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.599
<v Speaker 3>has no clue what's going on, and said, you have

472
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>to communicate to all of these people in an efficient

473
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 3>way something important or not, you know. So so there's

474
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.119
<v Speaker 3>just a lot of shorthand for that, and it is

475
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 3>extremely jarring when you have never had a walkie talkie

476
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:22.680
<v Speaker 3>and you get on set and you just want to like,

477
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, just talk on it like a regular person,

478
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, but like a telephone but it's not. Yeah,

479
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 3>so uh so yeah, I have specific you know, lingo

480
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 3>that's on there. And as long as you can you know,

481
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of get used to that, you should be able

482
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 3>to survive being on walking by.

483
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh this is like practice and you're like, yeah, exactly,

484
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's a it's a new language and it's a

485
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>protocols and how you do things, and you learn pretty quick.

486
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.960
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing is, Oh yeah, you learn real quick.

487
00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>You learn the real quick unless you just want to

488
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.599
<v Speaker 2>get yelled a constantly like uh you know. So you know,

489
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>we're like, where's where's the act? Where's actor? Where's actor?

490
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, talent, where.

491
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Is walking walking? We're walking walking with actor two on

492
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.519
<v Speaker 2>our way minute away, minute away.

493
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 3>E t A E T A of talent.

494
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, things like that. So it's it's talent will

495
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 2>come out of his dressing room.

496
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 3>And everybody switches the two and.

497
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's like, what's going on, Like it's yes, yeah, it's

498
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 2>a problem. So now one thing I I've been asked

499
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>this myself and I don't have an answer for it.

500
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you have an answer for There is so many

501
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>secret names, code names for basic things on set. Stinger

502
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>is an extension call baby a baby, yeah, baby, cheese,

503
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 2>play rick, all of these things. Why not just say

504
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I need it, I need an extension court Now I

505
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>know that's too. It's a little longer, stingers faster. Yeah,

506
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 2>why these things were And then.

507
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. I think it just I think

508
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 3>it's just a fast way to decipher something without having

509
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 3>to because the thing is, there's like different sizes of

510
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 3>certain pieces of equipment, there are different brands of certain

511
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 3>pieces of equipment and stuff like that. And sometimes if

512
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.319
<v Speaker 3>you just give it, like a pet name, that pet

513
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.279
<v Speaker 3>name is so different from everything else, it's just easy

514
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 3>to identify it. You know. It's so like I heard,

515
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 3>and it changes all the time by region, by location,

516
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>and that's the same thing. But yeah, like I heard

517
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 3>taco cart. You know that was another thing. Oh you

518
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 3>can grab the taco cart. But I think that's the

519
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 3>Texas thing. You know.

520
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 2>There is there, yeah, there is they Look, there's all

521
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:01.799
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of new ones. I heard the other day.

522
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Uh God, I hope they don't bring in spinning wheels

523
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 2>of death for lunch. Have you heard of a spinning

524
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>wheel of I haven't heard spinning wheel, pizza pizza.

525
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 3>So opning wheels of death.

526
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 2>The old DP is like, God, I hope they'll bring

527
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 2>in spinning wheels of death, of lunch Jesus Christ. I'm like,

528
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's the spinning wheel of death that they're like, oh,

529
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 2>it's it's this, and and uh and and there's one.

530
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 2>It's a mean one because he's now passed, because it's

531
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>actor passed, and they and I just remember I was

532
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>on set. No, no, it wasn't. I wasn't the Garret Coleman.

533
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 2>It was a Mickey Rooney. Oh you know what, you

534
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 2>know what a Mickey Rooney is? Yes, give me just

535
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:49.160
<v Speaker 2>a little creep. Uh. They know it's mean, but these

536
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>are the things you're just like, wow, man, like, how

537
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 2>look I heard like give me a Mickey Rooney there

538
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>and then the grip the key grips pushing the dollar

539
00:29:57.680 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and and the dps like, give me a Mickey Rooney.

540
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm sorry, what's a Mickey Rooney is like

541
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>a little creep. We'll be right back after a word

542
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>from our sponsor and now back to the show. I'm like, wow, okay,

543
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>so it's just this Carney prisonly military that is brutal.

544
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes extremely brutal, or a man maker. I heard that one.

545
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh I haven't heard a man maker.

546
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh we have to have an apple box and someone's stand

547
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 3>on it.

548
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, it's so wrong. I've heard that as a

549
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 2>tom cruise as well, give me a top cruise off

550
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>which you just give him a little extra height.

551
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:41.839
<v Speaker 3>Hi.

552
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's brutal, it's brutal. It's look, it's not

553
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 2>for the faint of heart being.

554
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 3>On that's it's very not pacy.

555
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:55.559
<v Speaker 2>No, it isn't. And that was one thing when I

556
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 2>was when I was on set and my wife, who's

557
00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>out of the business completely, she doesn't know anything about

558
00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>it business. She would walk on set while I was directing.

559
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 2>She's like, how how is this? How is that loud?

560
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 2>How is everyone not being sued left and right for

561
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>what's happening being said? And this is all before me too,

562
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>before all that stuff, And I would just say, I

563
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 2>just said, like, it's just kind of you know, it

564
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>was the culture. It was the culture, and it is look,

565
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, to be honest, it is sometimes a toxic culture.

566
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.279
<v Speaker 2>There's no question on set a toxic culture. And for

567
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 2>females even worse, there's no question. Like I mean, I

568
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 2>remember I was on I was on a production I

569
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 2>was directing, and I saw a female grip for the

570
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>first time ever, and she was wonderful by the way

571
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 2>she busted her ass and she was great. And I'm like,

572
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>what does she have to put up with from the

573
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 2>grip department to hang with the grips? YEA nine in

574
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one? Can you want me? Do you

575
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? Tough? So it's but it's it's

576
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 2>it is. You know, there's a lot of male testosterone

577
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 2>running on set generally much. Yes, it has changed a bit,

578
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 2>and I think it is changing for the better. Yes,

579
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I've talked to female dps. I hadn't

580
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.759
<v Speaker 2>seen I honestly didn't see a female DP until maybe

581
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>like eight nine years ago. Like on set, it was

582
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>just not a thing that you saw very often. But

583
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>now it's becoming more prevalent, and females are becoming you know,

584
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.319
<v Speaker 2>and people of color and all this stuff are all

585
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>coming on set, which is great, but it can be

586
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>a toxic environment and you, as a as a young

587
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>PA or young intern coming in, have to be aware

588
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of that. But understand that there is there's a little

589
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>you got to get a little bit of a thick skin. Yeah,

590
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.400
<v Speaker 2>in our business, would you agree.

591
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I I completely agree. I especially when you move

592
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 3>off the ranks to when you typically get to bigger

593
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 3>budgets and stuff, they are run by more older film

594
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 3>veterans and they have there's kind of stuck in the past,

595
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 3>and so you're dealing with it more and more. So then,

596
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 3>like if you're on a student project, everybody is like

597
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:11.559
<v Speaker 3>woke and stuff, you know. But yeah, so so you're

598
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 3>you're dealing with that a lot, and and it's it

599
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 3>can be extremely frustrating. But you also have to realize

600
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 3>that in order for change to happen, you have to educate.

601
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.279
<v Speaker 3>So it's a lot of taking that. It is harder

602
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.440
<v Speaker 3>to take the time to teach. It's easier to keep

603
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 3>the same doing the same thing, or yell at somebody

604
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 3>or or or whatever. But it's harder to stop someone

605
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 3>and say you shouldn't say that, or like I don't

606
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 3>like you know, that's not right to do. So it's

607
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:46.240
<v Speaker 3>it's it's a slow changing process, but it is. It

608
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 3>is changing, and it's unfortunately a lot of this is

609
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 3>top down you know, and and until there's enough time

610
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 3>of cycling to get new people up to the top

611
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.519
<v Speaker 3>to trickle down with new ways of thinking and stuff

612
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.599
<v Speaker 3>like that, you're going to run into that kind of thinking.

613
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 3>You know. It's just it's it's it's not I wouldn't

614
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 3>say it's right. It's just a it's a product of

615
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 3>the environment in the time period, you know.

616
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, for sure, without question. And there's also another

617
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 2>thing that is a culture that happens on set, especially

618
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.320
<v Speaker 2>if it's it depends on who's running the set as

619
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 2>far as either first a d director DPS as well,

620
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>but there's you know, it can be stressful.

621
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 3>It's extremely stressful.

622
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>The set can be a little stressful. And every once

623
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<v Speaker 2>in a while you'll get a veteran who's just really

624
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 2>comfortable with themselves who will play practical jokes on SETU

625
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 2>to kind of release the tension. And my favorite is

626
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 2>my deep a friend, a good friend of my DP,

627
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>old veteran guy. He would always have a broken lens

628
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 2>in his kit and first a SEE or second a

629
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.199
<v Speaker 2>C would come up and he would just throw throw

630
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 2>it at him and it was like a zeiss, you know,

631
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 2>like oh my god, and throw it at him. Ok here,

632
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>put this on the camera and throw it right at

633
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>him in front of everybody, and oh my god, and

634
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>you just see this guy's face just white, just drained,

635
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.280
<v Speaker 2>like the blood drein and hot, and he falls and

636
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>it cracks. And then he would play it up. He's like,

637
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.599
<v Speaker 2>how could you drop? You've cracked my lens. That's a

638
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand dollars lens.

639
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Whatdy?

640
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:29.360
<v Speaker 2>And everyone's just trying to hold it in. And before

641
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.199
<v Speaker 2>the kid has an absolute heart attack, they let him.

642
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>They let him go. So it's almost like a coming

643
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.039
<v Speaker 2>of age kind of like almost mafia esque, like I

644
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 2>come over here. It's an initiation, like you're good now, kid,

645
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 2>come on in. He used to also have an old

646
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.679
<v Speaker 2>This is when we used to shoot film of film

647
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>reel with exposed film.

648
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, he could throw the.

649
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Reel at the kid and the film would call over

650
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the place and they would just like, oh my god,

651
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>that was today's daily. He said, like, oh that. People

652
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.599
<v Speaker 2>would just these little things in this apartments. Sometimes you'll

653
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.840
<v Speaker 2>see that, yeah, in the in front of the whole step.

654
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.320
<v Speaker 2>But with in departments there's like little not say hazing,

655
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>but just fun, you know, things.

656
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.880
<v Speaker 3>To concl jokes. Yeah, I thought you were gonna say

657
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 3>tea stop. That's a poss uh where they send the

658
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.440
<v Speaker 3>second AC to go find tea stops. Yeah, I've had

659
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 3>I've seen that happen in the second ACA, like looking

660
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 3>the entire day for tea stops and can't find it.

661
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been looking for t stops. I've called everywhere.

662
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 2>No one has stops stop. So I had once. I

663
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 2>had once. I was when I was in school. Uh,

664
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>some old Grizzly Post online editor like you know, TV

665
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.840
<v Speaker 2>guy and some some producer. She came in like a

666
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:50.599
<v Speaker 2>just a battle ram and was busting's everyone's just being

667
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>a complete ass. And I was there as an intern

668
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.639
<v Speaker 2>watching this and and the editor goes, oh god, and

669
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>she was god of footage from the day before, Like,

670
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 2>oh God, what happened. She's like, what happened? What happened?

671
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>She's like, you know, if they would have done double

672
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.199
<v Speaker 2>double drop frame, it would have been better. So it

673
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.159
<v Speaker 2>would have just really started up the image quality of

674
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>so you need double double drop frame timecode. And she's

675
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 2>like okay. So she went on the next day to

676
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 2>set and she just ripped every Why aren't we shooting

677
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>double double. I want my image to be. She was like,

678
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 2>and everyone was just like, did you talk to Henry?

679
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Because everyone knew everyone knew Henry did it? Because they're

680
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:38.039
<v Speaker 2>all like, yeah, She's like, Henry got in trouble, but

681
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 2>he didn't care. He had job security. But these are

682
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the kind of things that you know, they're so high

683
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>strung pas and interns sometimes that you got to kind

684
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>of loosen them up a little bit because it's just

685
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 2>like and also, by the way, when you're that high strung,

686
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>that's when accidents happen, and that's when mistakes happen, and

687
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you got to loose them up, loosen them up just

688
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 2>a bit, just just a little bit. Now you've been

689
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>on set a while, Now, what was the worst day

690
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.639
<v Speaker 2>on set for you? And how did you overcome it?

691
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:14.800
<v Speaker 3>I would say one of the worst days was this

692
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 3>happened not too long ago, about two years ago. I

693
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 3>think two years when was snowvid in Austin, Texas, un

694
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 3>the snow apocalypse that happened ice I've only been hearing, Okay,

695
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 3>I think this was two years ago and Austin had

696
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 3>a freak snowstorm. Uh and this was I mean, I

697
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:36.880
<v Speaker 3>think this.

698
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Was it would be January. It'd be January February.

699
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was what it was. It was January, yeah, February,

700
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and the producers were refusing to shut down the set

701
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 3>because because where we were currently there was no snowstorm,

702
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 3>yet there was talk of it, and everywhere else in

703
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Texas there were pile ups and ice and everything.

704
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 2>You mean the one where they froze everything froze out, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

705
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:07.280
<v Speaker 2>The power grid went down.

706
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, power grid went down and stuff like that was

707
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 3>a couple of years ago. Yeah, yeah, and then it

708
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 3>we were in the middle of it and it hit,

709
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.719
<v Speaker 3>and I just remembered it was both the worst, but

710
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 3>also there's elements of it that like were great too.

711
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 3>At that point, the I think the crew knew that,

712
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 3>like it was beyond my control, even though I tried

713
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.119
<v Speaker 3>to call it several times, but you know, ultimately is

714
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 3>the producer's call. Still, and every crew member gave me

715
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 3>an article of clothing because we were outside and it

716
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 3>was really really cold and uh there was snow and

717
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:52.000
<v Speaker 3>it was blizzarding and everything, and like we didn't have

718
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 3>enough people. We were moving trucks and it was icy

719
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.119
<v Speaker 3>and everything, and luckily it got called late.

720
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Or will be right back after a word from our

721
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:09.320
<v Speaker 2>sponsor and now back to the show.

722
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 3>By the producers. But it was a constant like just

723
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:18.440
<v Speaker 3>communicating with the crew and being like, hey, I'm sorry,

724
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.440
<v Speaker 3>I want to call it. This is the situation like

725
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.639
<v Speaker 3>they hopefully will call it you know soon type thing,

726
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and just I think it sucked because I just felt

727
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 3>powerless in that situation to ensure the safety, you know,

728
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 3>of my crew and and and the way I dealt

729
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.840
<v Speaker 3>with it was just constantly talking to the crew, giving

730
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 3>them like a play by play of what's going on

731
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.639
<v Speaker 3>from top down. I kind of did a little hint

732
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.039
<v Speaker 3>hint like if you want to leave, I am not

733
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.480
<v Speaker 3>going to stop you type thing, you know, but I

734
00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:00.239
<v Speaker 3>your safety is portant. I think it's important, and you know,

735
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.639
<v Speaker 3>please do what you think is the most important type thing.

736
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>But I am under this is what's happening from top

737
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 3>down type thing. And to be put in that situation

738
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 3>really sucked because it's people safety and when you have

739
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:24.000
<v Speaker 3>no power, I have no power to ensure I can

740
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.840
<v Speaker 3>say I walk, you know, but like that also is

741
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 3>not good for the crew either, you know. I'm then

742
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.480
<v Speaker 3>they don't have the one person that's vouching for them,

743
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 3>you know.

744
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>There.

745
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 3>So it was a lot of like, hey, this is

746
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:41.000
<v Speaker 3>what's going on. This is the play by play. If

747
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.000
<v Speaker 3>you were to walk, I'm not going to stop you

748
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 3>from it, and I support it type thing and and

749
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 3>hopefully they're going to call it. They eventually did call it,

750
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 3>but it But I think despite that really shitty moment feeling,

751
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, having the crew each I tell you, each

752
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>department gave me an article clothing so that I wouldn't

753
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.159
<v Speaker 3>like freeze death. But like somebody gave me a hat.

754
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.199
<v Speaker 3>Someone gave me, you know, a jacket, a jacket that

755
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 3>was happened to be in their car. Someone gat I

756
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 3>looked like this big ass like marshmallow, with like fifty

757
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 3>layers of clothing because we were outside and the snow

758
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 3>was blowing at us and we were not prepared. We

759
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 3>were not none of us. Yeah, none of us were prepared.

760
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:31.280
<v Speaker 3>And then then to have later on the director who

761
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.760
<v Speaker 3>doesn't understand you know that we were doing our best

762
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:38.800
<v Speaker 3>to to to make it happen like essentially blame you

763
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:42.159
<v Speaker 3>for a snowstorm and that everything was a chit show.

764
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 3>But to then to have crew be like to stand

765
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 3>behind you and say, yeah, it is a shit show

766
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 3>because nobody that should have been called, you know, was

767
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 3>like nice to have that support, but like that, it's

768
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.800
<v Speaker 3>just that was a terrible situation to be And when

769
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 3>when when people's safety isn't being taken into concern and

770
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.639
<v Speaker 3>your whole job as an ad is to ensure the

771
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.039
<v Speaker 3>livelihood and safety of your crew and you're powerless to

772
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 3>do so. I think that that is a terrible, terrible

773
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 3>place to be in.

774
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that is. That's not a good place, which

775
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.159
<v Speaker 2>actually leads me into my next question. Are there signs

776
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 2>that interns, young interns and PA's and other crew members

777
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 2>can actually see when a production is going down quickly?

778
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>You could say like this this thing You're like, hey,

779
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:41.039
<v Speaker 2>today's not hey whoa whoa whoa whoa. Uh, We're going

780
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 2>to work eighteen hours today and I get paid?

781
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 3>Like what are those signs signs?

782
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well there's little things that you just can start

783
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:55.239
<v Speaker 2>you and I could smell the pretty Yeah, morale is.

784
00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:01.000
<v Speaker 3>A big indicator in my opinion. Sure, there's some people

785
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 3>who are crankier than other people in tolerance is lower,

786
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:10.079
<v Speaker 3>but I think when you start to have when departments

787
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 3>start to talk amongst each other and yeah, and you

788
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 3>can feel an overall dissatisfaction, that's usually a problem. Or

789
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I feel like if the calture keeps changing a lot,

790
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 3>that's usually not a good indicator either. When there are

791
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 3>when there's a lot of unnecessary people just yeah, that's

792
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 3>also just moral. When people are angry and just you

793
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:53.119
<v Speaker 3>known to each other. Yeah, I think those are pretty

794
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 3>big indicators as well. Or when you have locations or

795
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 3>people who are separate from the production show up randomly

796
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:07.760
<v Speaker 3>and they're not happy, that's usually not a good indicator either,

797
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:11.800
<v Speaker 3>because that means something wasn't cleared somehow and things are

798
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 3>about to go crazy.

799
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.039
<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you this. So because the director

800
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 2>obviously is should be the leader of the ship, the

801
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 2>leader of the captain of the ship. We're moving things forward,

802
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>everybody moves around. What the director is he or she's

803
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 2>ideas of what going going on? Yes, in theory, in theory,

804
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 2>in theory, very very much in theory. Uh, that's that's

805
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 2>very loose flair fluid. They're fluid, if you will, But

806
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 2>generally speaking in a perf when you're on a Ridley

807
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Scott set, Yes, Ridley runs the show. Let's just throw

808
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that out there, as simple as that. All Right, So

809
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:53.599
<v Speaker 2>when you have that situation, what are signs that you

810
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 2>don't have a good leader on the set. What are

811
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.159
<v Speaker 2>things that you've seen, because I'm assuming you've seen one

812
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 2>or two bad directors in your day, you have not

813
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:07.440
<v Speaker 2>only hurt the production but taken out, you know, just

814
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>not understand how the system works that they have to

815
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 2>make their day. Yeah, we can't spend five hours in

816
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the Scorsese shot because we're not Scorsese and we don't

817
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>have the budget that we have, so we had like

818
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>how all these kind of things I'm imagining. You know,

819
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.639
<v Speaker 2>as AD, you've seen directors come up with shot lists,

820
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.119
<v Speaker 2>which is, by the way, my favorite thing to do

821
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>with When I work with AD for the first time,

822
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 2>show up day one, one hundred and fifty shots, one

823
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:32.599
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty shots, and I just hand it to

824
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 2>them and they're just like, no, no, no, that you

825
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 2>should just see what because it depends. Then that also

826
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>tells me what kind of AD it is. If the

827
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 2>AD is going to come up to me and go,

828
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 2>we got to talk about this man, there's just no

829
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 2>f and way we're gonna And I'm like that's good,

830
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:49.679
<v Speaker 2>or you know we're gonna give it a shot. I'm like, okay,

831
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I know which way, which kind of a D and

832
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I want the first one. I want the one that

833
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 2>says there's no f and way we're gonna do this,

834
00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>but let's figure it out and let's figure it out

835
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.519
<v Speaker 2>what And I go, don't I always do that? Let's

836
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>see how fast we can move. I know I'll probably

837
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>only end up fifteen or twenty of those shots. Yeah,

838
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:11.400
<v Speaker 2>And then once I say that, they're like, okay'se not nuts.

839
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.320
<v Speaker 2>But I'm assuming you've had that shot list or that storyboard.

840
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>So how do you how do you see? What are

841
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.960
<v Speaker 2>those things about? What are the signs in a director

842
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.079
<v Speaker 2>that you can see that they just not they're in

843
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>over their head.

844
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Ah. I think when the crew starts to lose respect

845
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 3>for the director, and how I see it is when

846
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.800
<v Speaker 3>it goes from let's see what the director wants to

847
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.199
<v Speaker 3>what do you want? And I'm like, wait, wait, wait,

848
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm not the director, I'm the ad. When they start

849
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 3>to look at for a new leader, that's a problem.

850
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 3>So which happens a lot, and.

851
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>It could be the first idea or the DP. Those

852
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.159
<v Speaker 2>are the generally the two that they go.

853
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 3>Too, Yeah, exactly. And so once I'm Mike, why are

854
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 3>the numbers of questions directed at me have increased signific

855
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Speaker 3>That's when I'm like, ah, okay, or they start questioning

856
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.519
<v Speaker 3>why a lot instead of being like Okay, that's what

857
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 3>they want, let's do this, or like or the eye

858
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.039
<v Speaker 3>roll like oh they want this, okay, you know type thing.

859
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 3>That's yeah, the side conversations whatever gets talked on on

860
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:29.760
<v Speaker 3>channel two, uh W. When you you can really quickly

861
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:34.480
<v Speaker 3>pick out when people have stopped. It's or when people

862
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:36.960
<v Speaker 3>are trying to leave as soon as possible after a

863
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 3>set has wrapped or hasn't wrapped, or they're planning on

864
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.480
<v Speaker 3>which bar to go to afterwards and that is the

865
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.079
<v Speaker 3>only thing keeping them from walking off of the set.

866
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.360
<v Speaker 3>That's when you realize that the director has lost the crew.

867
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's I think it's when concerns that are

868
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:03.719
<v Speaker 3>being bypassed because I'm the director and not even considered

869
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 3>get bypassed a certain number of times. That's when you

870
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Speaker 3>really lose the crew as well. You know, like, hey,

871
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 3>we can't do this because and then like whatever, like

872
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm the director, make it happen. You know type thing

873
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 3>that's if you do this so many times, like you're

874
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 3>going to lose the crew because that is a quick

875
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:26.920
<v Speaker 3>indicator that you have no understanding of why their job

876
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.079
<v Speaker 3>is important or why their job takes a certain amount

877
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:36.239
<v Speaker 3>of time, and why you're glossing over it. You know.

878
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.679
<v Speaker 3>I see this happen a lot with specific positions. Positions

879
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 3>for it is that usually are like makeup is a

880
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.280
<v Speaker 3>big one, art things like that.

881
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Will be right back after a word from our sponsor

882
00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 2>and now back to the show.

883
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't happen as much with camera or even sound,

884
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:11.039
<v Speaker 3>because I think it's that's when people, especially first time directors,

885
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 3>when they go on to direct, there's a very easy

886
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.119
<v Speaker 3>understanding of like, hey, if we don't have the right

887
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.800
<v Speaker 3>camera setup, you're not going to get your shot right.

888
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.599
<v Speaker 3>But the other positions are harder to understand the importance

889
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 3>of unless you have done a few films or or

890
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 3>you've worked on a set enough to understand the importance of.

891
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:38.039
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's the issue is that new directors

892
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 3>who haven't come up the ranks or worked in a position.

893
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:46.960
<v Speaker 3>It's perspective, and when you lack perspective and don't respect

894
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:52.400
<v Speaker 3>all the positions on set. You will lose your crew,

895
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.559
<v Speaker 3>and you will lose your crew and they will start

896
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.519
<v Speaker 3>to look for a new leader in that leader is

897
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:03.079
<v Speaker 3>usually the DP or the AD so and so when

898
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.239
<v Speaker 3>I start to get hey, what do you think we

899
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:05.960
<v Speaker 3>should do about this?

900
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Or actor?

901
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, if talent is coming to you, that's a

902
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:16.559
<v Speaker 3>bad thing. Yeah, yeah, that is very bad. Like crew okay,

903
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:19.159
<v Speaker 3>because usually the AD has interfaced with the crew so

904
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 3>that you know, there's a certain extent that that's understandable.

905
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.159
<v Speaker 3>But I think when the talent no longer goes to

906
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:31.320
<v Speaker 3>the director and goes to you, the AD, that is

907
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 3>a big and dictator that things are going downhill fast. Yeah,

908
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 3>because the talent should never really need to talk to

909
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.840
<v Speaker 3>the AD. The whole job of a director is to

910
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 3>help talk to the talent. So at the talent. So

911
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 3>I revised put that first. When the talent is talking

912
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:55.159
<v Speaker 3>to the AD hoc or the DP, talking to any

913
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 3>other crew member about their performance or what they're supposed

914
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:04.679
<v Speaker 3>to do, that and it's not the director jump ships run.

915
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Another thing is too that I think filmmakers listening don't

916
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.199
<v Speaker 2>understand is the importance of feeding the crew and feeding

917
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 2>them well and taking care of them and having surprise,

918
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, in between meals, like hey, you know, guys,

919
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 2>we didn't we didn't we didn't budget for a full dinner,

920
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.239
<v Speaker 2>but we're going to do a walking dinner, you know,

921
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:25.920
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, where you know, they go out

922
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:29.199
<v Speaker 2>and get some burritos or something to kind of hold

923
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>them over until they can get to the bar. Yeah,

924
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Speaker 2>it's something, but that's something that it's almost a second

925
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 2>thought to young filmmakers, so like, oh, yeah, I just

926
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>get a bunch of pizzas and like that. Pizzas kill production.

927
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 2>It slows everything down. Spinning, it slows it down everyone.

928
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 2>It's stuffed on cheese and bread and things like that.

929
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I remember an old you remember Dove Simmons. He ran

930
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.559
<v Speaker 2>a course called the Two Day Film School, and he

931
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:05.639
<v Speaker 2>was like this just Roger Korman upm and oh my god,

932
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the stories he would say. And he's like, I don't

933
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of sugary stuff on my crafty table

934
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 2>because it will cause sugar rushes. And if it caused

935
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 2>sugar rushes, if there's tension, fights will break out. These

936
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>are little things that you're just like I was. My

937
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.840
<v Speaker 2>mind got blown when I heard these things coming up.

938
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wow, I just never thought about it.

939
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.159
<v Speaker 2>He goes in, God forbid if you bring pizza onto

940
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:32.440
<v Speaker 2>a set, God damn, Like like, yeah, am I wrong.

941
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 3>No, you're not. And if you're been on set a

942
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 3>while and you're really good at your job, you can

943
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:41.119
<v Speaker 3>start These are the details you notice that you planned for.

944
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:44.159
<v Speaker 3>Like I I can tell like from line I'm like, Okay,

945
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.920
<v Speaker 3>we had this, Therefore I need to build an extra

946
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.960
<v Speaker 3>an hour before we're going to start getting how we're

947
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.960
<v Speaker 3>going to start moving, Like I like, these are the

948
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 3>little details where you're like, oh, we ate that, Okay,

949
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.599
<v Speaker 3>well the bathroom, the situation is going to be a

950
00:53:58.639 --> 00:53:59.079
<v Speaker 3>whole thing.

951
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's just like burritos.

952
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you start noticing all these little details.

953
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 2>I had a friend of mine on a He was

954
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 2>on the set of twenty four. He was a production

955
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>designer in twenty four and I went on just to

956
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>visit him and we were working on a project together,

957
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and I just went on to visit the set. And

958
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.760
<v Speaker 2>when you walk on set, I just saw crafty. Was

959
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the most insane crafty I've ever seen in my life.

960
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.320
<v Speaker 2>And then I stayed for lunch and there's Lobster Tale

961
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 2>and Stay, and I'm like, what is what is this? Like?

962
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 2>I lived in the indie world, and I was like,

963
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>because at that level, you've got to that's just that's

964
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:46.119
<v Speaker 2>just the way businesses run.

965
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 3>But it's nuts, though, it seems when you first get

966
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 3>on it's nuts. Yeah. I remember the first Unions that

967
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:57.639
<v Speaker 3>I got on. It was in Texas twenty sixteen, and

968
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I had only done indies before that, and I yeah,

969
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.119
<v Speaker 3>you look at the craft services table and you're like, Wow,

970
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.599
<v Speaker 3>this is the entire budget of my film right here,

971
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.320
<v Speaker 3>sitting here as Yeah.

972
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can you imagine a Marvel set? I can only

973
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.039
<v Speaker 2>imagine a Marvel set, like a two hundred million dollar

974
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:16.639
<v Speaker 2>movie I haven't been on a two hundred million dollar

975
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:19.639
<v Speaker 2>movie set, not either, you know, just can you imagine

976
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>the amount of test ah? You know, it's it's insane.

977
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't even I can't even imagine. Now there's one

978
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 2>thing that and this is one thing that you can

979
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:33.840
<v Speaker 2>get really in trouble for as a PA and an intern,

980
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's something that no one talks to you about.

981
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Eye line, oh sitting eye. If Christian Bale's situation with

982
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Shane Olbert, thought does anything and I don't think that

983
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:49.400
<v Speaker 2>conversation was so much about the eye line. I think

984
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.960
<v Speaker 2>it was other things going on. And then and by

985
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the way, if you guys don't know what I'm talking about,

986
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:59.800
<v Speaker 2>just google Christian Bale on set. It's genius, especially the remixes.

987
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.239
<v Speaker 2>But and by the way, Christian Bale had been on

988
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 2>set since he was like seven yea or five, so

989
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.440
<v Speaker 2>he's been it's not like he's new to his set.

990
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Can you explain to everybody what an eye line is

991
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 2>and how to avoid getting yelled at by talent, which

992
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:20.119
<v Speaker 2>is the worst thing other than being yelled at by

993
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the director or any of the other crew members, Like,

994
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:23.679
<v Speaker 2>if you're being yelled at by talent.

995
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.360
<v Speaker 3>It's back the super public.

996
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much almost gone guarantee.

997
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So an eyeline is like whenever an actor is acting,

998
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.239
<v Speaker 3>there's a specific area where no matter if you're standing

999
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.800
<v Speaker 3>in that spot eye line, it's hard for the actor

1000
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.119
<v Speaker 3>to not to they will definitely see you. And that's

1001
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:52.159
<v Speaker 3>extremely distracting. So we are always trying to crew andever

1002
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:56.000
<v Speaker 3>and it's if you've don't enough, if you just know

1003
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 3>to you know, stand in us for the usually where

1004
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.480
<v Speaker 3>the video villages or something like that, or in the shadows,

1005
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 3>because if you think about it, if you're trying to

1006
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.039
<v Speaker 3>if you've ever tried to focus on anything, and you're

1007
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:15.880
<v Speaker 3>trying to be in a difficult emotional spot and you

1008
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:21.039
<v Speaker 3>can't because a fly is flying around you. That's what

1009
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 3>it feels like when somebody is standing in someone's eyeline,

1010
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.159
<v Speaker 3>and so it's kind of a it's a frame a

1011
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:32.360
<v Speaker 3>vision where you will see that person. If you're in

1012
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.159
<v Speaker 3>that frame a vision, that's the eye line, and so

1013
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 3>you're mate and you will accidentally send the eyeline and

1014
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 3>that's when you'll see people look at their look at

1015
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 3>the ground, be a tree, you know, like try to

1016
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 3>not move around so that you're not being a distraction

1017
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 3>to the performance. And it's very easy to do. And

1018
00:57:57.920 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 3>the you know, the best way to do it is

1019
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:08.880
<v Speaker 3>in general, wherever the camera is and where the action

1020
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.440
<v Speaker 3>is being directed. If you're kind of in that besides

1021
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:13.760
<v Speaker 3>the director and the DP and stuff like that, you

1022
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 3>try to stay away from that area. And and courtesy

1023
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 3>of asking somebody you know, the talent a it's or

1024
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.320
<v Speaker 3>is this good spot or whatever. But if you can

1025
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:29.239
<v Speaker 3>see the actor and you can make eye contact with

1026
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 3>that actor, you are in their eyeline. Move move, yeah,

1027
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 3>So if you if they're that's the best way. If

1028
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 3>you can watch the scene and you realize, oh shit,

1029
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:42.400
<v Speaker 3>the actor steering directly at me, you are in their eyeline.

1030
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.679
<v Speaker 3>If you can make eye contact with anybody who's acting

1031
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.119
<v Speaker 3>that is within their eyeline.

1032
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.599
<v Speaker 2>So and then also the other part that kind of

1033
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:57.400
<v Speaker 2>tag on to that is being in the shot. How

1034
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 2>many times have you seen the first day PA or

1035
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:06.119
<v Speaker 2>intern has no clue about anything on a set and

1036
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:11.280
<v Speaker 2>they're just literally sitting in the back in the middle

1037
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:14.199
<v Speaker 2>of the shot when the director yells action and you

1038
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:16.119
<v Speaker 2>can just see them like this, like, I got a

1039
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>good I got a good seat for this shot. Yeah,

1040
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.519
<v Speaker 2>because you're in it and like, and you hear the

1041
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 2>DP or camera or the director or the first d

1042
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.400
<v Speaker 2>D shot, who get that guy out of this shot? Like,

1043
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and you just like and you just start freaking out.

1044
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I've seen that happen too many times, even

1045
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 2>if I see it on my set before we got

1046
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.519
<v Speaker 2>just can you get that guy out of the shot please.

1047
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>If I'm in a great mood, if I'm not in

1048
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a b if if it's a rough day, I'm going

1049
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to get out of my shot. Yes, So please just

1050
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:49.320
<v Speaker 2>be aware of your surroundings.

1051
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Aware of your surroundings. Yes.

1052
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 2>And also that's a day that's a safety thing because

1053
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 2>some crazy stuff could be happening, the stunts could be

1054
00:59:56.679 --> 01:00:00.480
<v Speaker 2>going on. We'll be right back after for a word

1055
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 2>from our sponsor, and now back to the show. A

1056
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 2>crane could be coming down. Please be aware of your

1057
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:13.880
<v Speaker 2>surroundings and what's going on on set. And I know

1058
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that's the job of a first a d to kind

1059
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:18.000
<v Speaker 2>of let everybody, especially if there's a weapon on set

1060
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 2>or there's a stunt going on on set, you know,

1061
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:21.559
<v Speaker 2>But I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think you bring up a good point. I think the

1063
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 3>thing is that a film is a collaborative thing and

1064
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.119
<v Speaker 3>it's up to everyone to kind of do their part

1065
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 3>and be hyper aware. So with like safety, anything with safety,

1066
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:39.719
<v Speaker 3>I always tell everyone on set, like, hey, I won't

1067
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.760
<v Speaker 3>be mad at you if you double check my triple

1068
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.840
<v Speaker 3>check whatever I'm talking about when it comes to safety.

1069
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.599
<v Speaker 3>If the crew comes up and it's like, hey, could

1070
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:52.719
<v Speaker 3>we do the gun safety again, could you shout out

1071
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:56.559
<v Speaker 3>again that the street is locked or that the street

1072
01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:59.280
<v Speaker 3>is live or something like that, I'm not going to

1073
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:07.159
<v Speaker 3>sure under stressful situations, I might like appear stressed about it,

1074
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 3>but like I would rather somebody triple double check my

1075
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.320
<v Speaker 3>work when it comes to anything that has to do

1076
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:21.840
<v Speaker 3>with safety. And yeah, no, but I think collectively as

1077
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 3>a group, that's the only way for everybody to stay safe.

1078
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:27.719
<v Speaker 3>Is that if we kind of like a check and

1079
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:31.119
<v Speaker 3>balance system. You know, there is a hierarchy, but people

1080
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:35.960
<v Speaker 3>make mistakes, especially we throw them under that much stress

1081
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.440
<v Speaker 3>and limited time and limited resources and stuff like that.

1082
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:43.599
<v Speaker 3>I think it's up to the entire team to look

1083
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:47.360
<v Speaker 3>out for each other. So so everybody should be as

1084
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:51.039
<v Speaker 3>hyper aware as possible, but it is so easy to

1085
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:56.039
<v Speaker 3>become my opic, especially with what you're focused on in

1086
01:01:56.199 --> 01:02:03.239
<v Speaker 3>doing and so yeah, no, it's I just think any

1087
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 3>any and this has nothing to do with the hierarchy.

1088
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I think anybody should be looking out for their fellow

1089
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.079
<v Speaker 3>man woman set, you know.

1090
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<v Speaker 2>No question, and it has to be brought. Yeah, there's

1091
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously there's you know some some tragedies have

1092
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 2>happened in recent years about about on set safety and

1093
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.599
<v Speaker 2>issues that that are horrible and it happens, you know,

1094
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.599
<v Speaker 2>stunts go wrong, things happen. I think it's really about

1095
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 2>safety and trying to like you say, everybody's responsibility to

1096
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:34.800
<v Speaker 2>say if see something, say something.

1097
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 3>Say something, yeah, say something, say anything.

1098
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.880
<v Speaker 3>It's it can be hard to to in any group setting.

1100
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Group think is a thing. So it'd be like, oh, well,

1101
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.679
<v Speaker 3>somebody else will bring this up or some you know,

1102
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.559
<v Speaker 3>but I don't think you should. Nobody should ever assume

1103
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:53.239
<v Speaker 3>that you know type thing. So it's better to like

1104
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.199
<v Speaker 3>be annoying and have five people bring it up. Then

1105
01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.519
<v Speaker 3>like nobody bring up and then something happens.

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01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, agreed one hundred percent. Now I think it's

1107
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.199
<v Speaker 2>appropriate to start wrapping up our conversation with what is

1108
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:13.079
<v Speaker 2>an abby singer and a Martini shot? Because it's again

1109
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Carney language. Nobody understands anybody, any normy. He's out there

1110
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 2>with like what the heck an abby singer and market?

1111
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.119
<v Speaker 2>So can we take what an abby singer is and

1112
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.119
<v Speaker 2>what a Martini shot is for everybody?

1113
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:26.960
<v Speaker 3>So an Abby singer is the second to last setup

1114
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.960
<v Speaker 3>of the day, and people are usually very excited because

1115
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.079
<v Speaker 3>it's indicator that we will almost go home. Sometimes it

1116
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:39.199
<v Speaker 3>can be you know, uh, misnomer because sure, maybe that

1117
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.039
<v Speaker 3>second last setup takes forever and you might do like

1118
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.719
<v Speaker 3>ten takes of it, but it is just a nice

1119
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.760
<v Speaker 3>morale booster knowing that this is the second to last shot.

1120
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<v Speaker 3>And the reason why it's called Abby Singers. Abby Singer

1121
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 3>is actually a a d I believe, and he was

1122
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 3>famous for saying, all right, that was great, but then

1123
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:03.960
<v Speaker 3>you would say, but let's do it again type thing,

1124
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:06.239
<v Speaker 3>so and one more, Let's do one more and so

1125
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:12.119
<v Speaker 3>they coined the term Abby Singer after him because at

1126
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.920
<v Speaker 3>any time it felt like they're about to finish, another

1127
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 3>thing was added right before it, so it was one

1128
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:23.920
<v Speaker 3>more before Abby Singer and the Martini. Uh, depending on

1129
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.679
<v Speaker 3>where you are. Some people in Texas have tried to

1130
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 3>make it the Margarita or the Texas Martini or whatever.

1131
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:34.719
<v Speaker 3>But it's the last setup of the day, the Martini,

1132
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's important in it's when you've been on say

1133
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.440
<v Speaker 3>you hear it called out. Uh. I'm always trying to

1134
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.719
<v Speaker 3>anticipate the Abby Singer and the Martini because these are

1135
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:51.800
<v Speaker 3>indicators of letting departments know they can start to slowly

1136
01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:56.599
<v Speaker 3>wrap up stuff. Because you know, anytime you've been anywhere,

1137
01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:58.800
<v Speaker 3>you kind of like move in and you spread out

1138
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.239
<v Speaker 3>and you you're things get bigger and bigger and bigger.

1139
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Spread out in space and having some extra time to

1140
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:13.000
<v Speaker 3>slowly pack up your stuff and really make the exit

1141
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.119
<v Speaker 3>of off the set that much faster and more efficient.

1142
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:21.519
<v Speaker 3>So I'm always in veteran crew members will get annoyed

1143
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:25.320
<v Speaker 3>if you don't call them because call the Abby Singer

1144
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:27.280
<v Speaker 3>or the Martini because they're like, I could have been,

1145
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:31.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, wrapping stuff, and now I have to after

1146
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.159
<v Speaker 3>wrap spend an extra thirty minutes I could have been

1147
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.360
<v Speaker 3>doing in between setups, you know.

1148
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Having my team. I'm having my team wrap up things

1149
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:41.840
<v Speaker 2>that are that that other setup break out the setups

1150
01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:45.679
<v Speaker 2>right right right, I suppose everyone's sitting around waiting for it,

1151
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.360
<v Speaker 2>just in case. Now I'm gonna ask a few questions,

1152
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.000
<v Speaker 2>ask all of my guests, what advice would you give

1153
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:52.920
<v Speaker 2>a filmmaker trying to break into the business today.

1154
01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:01.119
<v Speaker 3>So I think the device would be to always think

1155
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.920
<v Speaker 3>about what value you can give somebody before you ask

1156
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:11.360
<v Speaker 3>for value from somebody else. So in any space and time,

1157
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:13.559
<v Speaker 3>I think if as long as you can be invaluable

1158
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:19.119
<v Speaker 3>to somebody helping them on their set when you're first

1159
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.079
<v Speaker 3>starting off donating your time, that type of thing that

1160
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:27.800
<v Speaker 3>pays off. It may not pay off immediately, but you

1161
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:31.440
<v Speaker 3>never know five years from now that pa that you

1162
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:34.639
<v Speaker 3>were nice to, that you helped out, could be that

1163
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:37.920
<v Speaker 3>could be your ticket to another job. And that's not

1164
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.320
<v Speaker 3>why you do that, you know, so don't mistake and oh,

1165
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:44.760
<v Speaker 3>let's be nice to people so that you know five

1166
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.199
<v Speaker 3>years to be off. Yeah. No, I think that's just

1167
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.320
<v Speaker 3>a principle in life. It's just like people will always

1168
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.320
<v Speaker 3>know after a set is done and it's crazy and

1169
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:59.239
<v Speaker 3>you've all gone through war together, people will always remember

1170
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:03.960
<v Speaker 3>how you made them feel. And if you can leave

1171
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 3>a lasting impression of hey, when I dealt with this

1172
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:11.519
<v Speaker 3>one person, they always made my day better or help

1173
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:17.079
<v Speaker 3>was helpful or something, you will do great going downline.

1174
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:19.639
<v Speaker 3>So that's that would if you want to break in,

1175
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:25.440
<v Speaker 3>I as a veteran, I will hire people who make

1176
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:29.119
<v Speaker 3>my life easier or just an easier doesn't need necessarily

1177
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:31.400
<v Speaker 3>mean a skill set easier. Can just be like, hey,

1178
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 3>you made sure I had water the whole day, and

1179
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I you know you made sure that I didn't I

1180
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:38.639
<v Speaker 3>knew where my keys were the whole day. That you know,

1181
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.960
<v Speaker 3>if I will hire that person over somebody who's had

1182
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:47.719
<v Speaker 3>five or ten years of experience, that you know doesn't

1183
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.719
<v Speaker 3>who gives me an attitude or whatever, And that's the

1184
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:54.079
<v Speaker 3>quickest way to get roped in it. Get to be

1185
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:58.639
<v Speaker 3>in with with people is if you if I can

1186
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:02.679
<v Speaker 3>feel like I can you have my back right no

1187
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:07.920
<v Speaker 3>matter what? And so yeah, long story is if you

1188
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 3>can approach everybody as a how can I make your

1189
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:17.560
<v Speaker 3>life easier? How can I just brighten up your day

1190
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:21.359
<v Speaker 3>a little bit? I think you'll do just fine.

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01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So what is the lesson that took you the longest

1192
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to learn, whether in the film business or in life.

1193
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh ah, the lesson that took me the longest learn

1194
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:41.039
<v Speaker 3>ah that it's okay to walk away. I think this

1195
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:45.119
<v Speaker 3>is and I still struggle with this. I think you'll

1196
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:50.680
<v Speaker 3>get to a point when you love your career so much,

1197
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:54.680
<v Speaker 3>and you love your job so much, you will want

1198
01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:58.319
<v Speaker 3>to give everything to it one hundred to a detriment

1199
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:01.920
<v Speaker 3>to yourself. And you have to realize that if you

1200
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:05.720
<v Speaker 3>aren't taking care of yourself, you're going to be useless

1201
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:09.479
<v Speaker 3>to everybody. So that means burning out. That means giving

1202
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.640
<v Speaker 3>more time and over committing and stuff like that, or

1203
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:17.039
<v Speaker 3>doing projects with people who don't respect you as a

1204
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:20.000
<v Speaker 3>person or as for your time or your safety or

1205
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:24.720
<v Speaker 3>your well being, and it is okay to set boundaries

1206
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.399
<v Speaker 3>by walking away and to know that your career is

1207
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:31.600
<v Speaker 3>not going to go down the waste. You know, it's

1208
01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:35.800
<v Speaker 3>not going to be over just because you wouldn't stand

1209
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:38.600
<v Speaker 3>for the way you were being treated a certain way

1210
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.760
<v Speaker 3>on set, and you decide to leave. And this is very,

1211
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.600
<v Speaker 3>very very hard to do because when you're on set,

1212
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.560
<v Speaker 3>especially if you're a position like being an ad or whatever,

1213
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:52.279
<v Speaker 3>you're responsible for many people. It's not just yourself, and

1214
01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:55.840
<v Speaker 3>so when you leave, it feels like you are letting down.

1215
01:09:57.319 --> 01:09:59.800
<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

1216
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and now back to the show.

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01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.720
<v Speaker 3>Not just yourself but everybody else that depends on you.

1218
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:16.439
<v Speaker 3>But in the end, much though we love our job

1219
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:19.520
<v Speaker 3>and hopefully it is your passion, it is a job

1220
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:24.520
<v Speaker 3>and your safety, livelihood and your peace of mind and

1221
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:30.279
<v Speaker 3>mental health is not worth sticking out just a bit more,

1222
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:35.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, because that could have long lasting effects, you know,

1223
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:39.920
<v Speaker 3>for your ability to work later. So that's I still

1224
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.039
<v Speaker 3>I still struggle with this, you know, just walking away

1225
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:48.319
<v Speaker 3>and being okay to walk away or it's it's hard

1226
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:56.359
<v Speaker 3>because you in this industry, it will feel like whatever

1227
01:10:56.960 --> 01:11:00.199
<v Speaker 3>opportunity that you have is the only opportunity you'll, oh,

1228
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.760
<v Speaker 3>you'll ever get in career. It will feel that way, right,

1229
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:07.199
<v Speaker 3>and you know there will be months where you may

1230
01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:12.680
<v Speaker 3>not work, you know, and stuff, And in that moment,

1231
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:17.239
<v Speaker 3>maybe turning down a one hundred dollars per day, eighteen

1232
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:23.840
<v Speaker 3>hour job seems stupid because that's one hundred dollars. But

1233
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:28.920
<v Speaker 3>but you're also setting an expectation, right, So the hope

1234
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:34.119
<v Speaker 3>is by standing up for not doing that, you are

1235
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:38.920
<v Speaker 3>enabling other people to also have the power to stand

1236
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.439
<v Speaker 3>up for that, so that it sets a standard that

1237
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:45.760
<v Speaker 3>that is not how the film industry should operate. You know.

1238
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.039
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like the whole me too thing too.

1239
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:53.319
<v Speaker 3>It's like, that's for me. If anybody is disrespectful in

1240
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:55.920
<v Speaker 3>that way to any of my crew members, I will

1241
01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:58.640
<v Speaker 3>walk no matter what, because I am standing up for

1242
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:04.079
<v Speaker 3>something and and say setting the precedent that this is

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<v Speaker 3>not okay and ers. And I think it gets hard

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<v Speaker 3>because you'll be on some incredible opportunities and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to make that decision of is it

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<v Speaker 3>worth this opportunity or is this going to actually be

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<v Speaker 3>damaging you know, in the future or or or dangerous

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<v Speaker 3>or whatnot, you know. So I think that's the that's

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<v Speaker 3>the heart, is walking away. Nobody wants to walk away.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially at the beginning, especially at the beginning, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had to do it so many times and

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<v Speaker 2>with my post, I like literally just turned away, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest music video companies in LA And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I can't work with you anymore. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just too abusive. And at a certain point you just

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<v Speaker 2>have to say I'm just going to roll the dice

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<v Speaker 2>and and generally works out. Yeah, it's not you will

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<v Speaker 2>work again. I mean it's it's not like you won't.

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<v Speaker 2>And and if anyone never says you'll never work in

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<v Speaker 2>this town again, that's a guarantee. Will there's nobody that

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<v Speaker 2>means they're so full of themselves. Yeah, it's if it

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<v Speaker 2>starts off with do you know who I am? And

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<v Speaker 2>then goes into.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the director.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the director, and I'll make sure you never work

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<v Speaker 2>in this town again. Don't be scared. That's bullshit. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't happen. I've never heard of it happening. Ever, anyone

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01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.800
<v Speaker 2>getting blacklisted, I'm sure it does happen. I've just never

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01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.039
<v Speaker 2>seen it or heard about it, and especially if you

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01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:37.800
<v Speaker 2>haven't done anything wrong, people realize that. And you know,

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01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:40.680
<v Speaker 2>no one has that much juice, not in today's world.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe in the olden days when there was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen productions going on in the entire country at one time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but now there's just too much work. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't compromise your integrity and compromise things like that. I

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01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 3>think that's the hardest thing is man walking away so

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01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.319
<v Speaker 3>hard it's like a bad relationship. You know, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>working to break away, but I don't want to break

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<v Speaker 3>up with you, because.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole other conversation with a whole other podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And last question, three of your favorite films of all time?

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<v Speaker 3>H three of my favorite. I mean, it's funny this

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01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:22.680
<v Speaker 3>question makes me laugh because all my stuff is not

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01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:31.520
<v Speaker 3>very sophisticated. Uh well, I love, uh love, actually fantastic film.

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<v Speaker 2>Second best Christmas movie of all time behind Dieheard. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I would argue because then there's the debate of whether

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<v Speaker 3>Diehard is a Christmas movie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it isn't. We had an episode I had someone,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a researcher come on it has been proven

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<v Speaker 2>by the numbers that Hard is a Christmas movie, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is. I love that movie. I love a

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01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Forrest Gump so epic. It is epic, epic, epic film.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I can watch Shashank Redemption at any time,

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<v Speaker 3>any point, anywhere, if it pops up, I will just

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<v Speaker 3>by myself fixated on it and just watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop talking dirty to me. That's that's that's my number

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<v Speaker 2>one Shashank. Everybody, everyone, I know, everybody listening just said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh gosh, Sashank is my number one. Yes it is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just absolutely adore that film. And it

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01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:29.560
<v Speaker 2>has so many layers, and it's so deep, and it

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01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.159
<v Speaker 2>just cuts through so much of the BS and yeah,

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01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:34.960
<v Speaker 2>it just it's so it's almost as perfect of a

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<v Speaker 2>film in my opinion as it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll keep watching being like, why is it so perfect?

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01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:41.680
<v Speaker 3>And then I'll start watching and then get lost in

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01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.399
<v Speaker 3>it and then forget that I was watching it to

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01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 3>try to learn like something from it. I do that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot with good movies.

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<v Speaker 2>And and another one that was the one that he

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<v Speaker 2>did that Frank Darabont did right afterwards, which is Green Mile,

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01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:55.520
<v Speaker 2>is another one of those that just yeah, it's it

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01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.520
<v Speaker 2>just hits just right spot. It hits right spot. Now

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<v Speaker 2>where can people pick up your book? Get red?

1316
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

1317
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:03.720
<v Speaker 2>So right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Get realisms dot com is a spot. We haven't branched

1319
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:12.600
<v Speaker 3>out yet to Amazon. That's a business decision, but yeah,

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01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:16.079
<v Speaker 3>get realisms dot com online. I think we also have

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01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.479
<v Speaker 3>a Etsy store. So if you just google get Realisms

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01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.479
<v Speaker 3>and make sure the real is our E E L

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<v Speaker 3>you should, you'll be able to find it. Eventually, maybe

1324
01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:27.920
<v Speaker 3>in a year or so, we'll be on Amazon stuff.

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01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.880
<v Speaker 3>But for now it's a boutique. And uh, it will

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01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:35.520
<v Speaker 3>be fun if you ever go into a rental house

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<v Speaker 3>and Austin or I think there's a few now in

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01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles and stuff like that. You see it, take

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01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.960
<v Speaker 3>a photo. It's always fun for me. But yeah, we're

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01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.439
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, get realisms dot com is the best way

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01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:49.720
<v Speaker 3>to go about getting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Christine, thank you so much for coming on the show

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01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:53.960
<v Speaker 2>and for writing this book. And I wish again I

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01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:55.720
<v Speaker 2>had this when I was coming up, and it is

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01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:59.680
<v Speaker 2>invaluable for anybody being on set. Is a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>serve guide on how to survive on set, just understanding

1337
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:08.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like the it's like the Resetta stone. Yes, it's

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01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:12.399
<v Speaker 2>the resetta stone of film talk on set and how

1339
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.159
<v Speaker 2>to understand it and everything. So I appreciate you, my dear,

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01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Thank you again for all the hard work.

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01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:18.159
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank Christine so much for coming on

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01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.800
<v Speaker 2>the show and dropping her knowledge bombs on the tribe.

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01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:25.399
<v Speaker 2>If you want to get links to anything we spoke

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01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:27.640
<v Speaker 2>about in this episode, including how to get her book

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01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:31.880
<v Speaker 2>on how to Survive on a film set Bulletproof Screenwriting

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<v Speaker 2>dot tv forward slash three eighty. Thank you so much

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01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:38.479
<v Speaker 2>for listening. Guys, As always, keep on writing no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast at Bulletproof

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<v Speaker 1>Screenwriting dot tv.