Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 3: What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 4: This episode you got the Mormon Mafia Park four getting
Speaker 4: into Jackie Onassis and uh, today the crew that we
Speaker 4: got with us. Unfortunately j could not make it. He
Speaker 4: is recording himself right now. But in today's episode you
Speaker 4: got Lisa the occult reject mad scientists joining us today.
Speaker 3: What is going on, Lisa? How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for having me. I'm
Speaker 5: really looking forward to this definitely.
Speaker 3: And thank you for joining us as well. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4: And uh, we also got a JJ Vance not the
Speaker 4: vice president.
Speaker 3: What is going on, sir? How are you.
Speaker 2: Nick?
Speaker 6: Doing awesome? Sir? Appreciate the invite as always, Lisa looking
Speaker 6: forward to the conversation as always in Heidi, I'm always
Speaker 6: excited to talk Mormon stuff with you. So and I
Speaker 6: just want to point out Jen is partningjus, so we
Speaker 6: can't be certain he's not here right now.
Speaker 3: That is true. What the Streme other was could be
Speaker 3: under the count show, could be hiding, that is true.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, JJ, and I got your links
Speaker 4: in the bottom as well. And Heidi, please, Heidi, let
Speaker 4: everybody know. I mean, I'm sure people already know who
Speaker 4: you are, but please, if they haven't heard of you yet,
Speaker 4: let them know what they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 2: Sure, I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Rice. I'm
Speaker 2: everywhere podcasts are served. I do have my own Patreon
Speaker 2: where I give you extra episodes. I try not to
Speaker 2: cut them if you join that. And they're more like
Speaker 2: oddly centered around murders and different stuff that have to
Speaker 2: do with Mormonism. So those are fun and yeah, that's me.
Speaker 2: I do have my own also website, Unfiltered Rise podcast.
Speaker 4: Come awesome, awesome, And I'm pretty sure you're alink Tree
Speaker 4: or whatever you got is in the bottom right now
Speaker 4: as we're streaming live. Honestly, I don't particularly remember where
Speaker 4: we left off last time.
Speaker 3: So we have to ti that up to you.
Speaker 1: You too, Yeah, Jay, it's a whole another subject. It's
Speaker 1: a whole different ball of wax.
Speaker 3: That's so. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 4: I thought we were moving into like a different topic now,
Speaker 4: So I guess you know, if you want to take
Speaker 4: it away, and.
Speaker 2: All right, well, I mean, how can we do this
Speaker 2: whole thing on, you know, JFK RFK everybody and not
Speaker 2: do the other famous K right like Jackie Kennedy.
Speaker 1: She's been a K, A B and O Jackie O.
Speaker 2: But like I said, if you want to know people
Speaker 2: and anything about them, you kind of got to check
Speaker 2: out their family. And her dad gave us some great
Speaker 2: little nuggets. Now there isn't as Mani Mormon contacts here,
Speaker 2: but there are some. There's definitely some interesting things that
Speaker 2: JJ will jump on. I kind of get him my
Speaker 2: head's up, so hopefully he'll know. But this is her dad,
Speaker 2: and this is black Jack Bouvier. They called him black
Speaker 2: Jack Boobya because he always had this fantastic tan apparently,
Speaker 2: and she kept this photo with her at Vassar when
Speaker 2: she went away to college, and it was like her
Speaker 2: favorite photo. This is another one of him. They say
Speaker 2: he was like irresistible to women. I'm like, are we
Speaker 2: looking at the same photo. I mean, he's all right,
Speaker 2: he's I mean, but apparently panty dropper, like whoa, And
Speaker 2: I was shook. I was like folk and they just
Speaker 2: went on and on about this in these books.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, next chapter.
Speaker 6: Weird.
Speaker 1: That's awkward.
Speaker 2: But more importantly I thought this was more important than
Speaker 2: the whole chapter about his womanizing, was that he went
Speaker 2: to Yale m and he's part of the Book and
Speaker 2: Snake Society. He's also part of the Cloister Club. He's
Speaker 2: also Society of Cincinnati, which is why I texted JJ.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually have video footage of the Book and
Speaker 4: Snake when I do cover Yale, I actually covered that
Speaker 4: building there.
Speaker 2: It always seems to go back, you know, when you
Speaker 2: get into Yale, you're definitely gonna have some mormonized I'm
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent done with this book I've been reading,
Speaker 2: but so he may pop up again at a later point.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, my dog hold on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Think you fun?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Sorry, Oh okay, So.
Speaker 3: You club, excuse me.
Speaker 6: That's a new one for me. The Cloister Club. That's
Speaker 6: a new one. I've never heard of that one.
Speaker 2: So these were all like secret societies and he's some
Speaker 2: big wig stockbroker and on the Cloister Club. I did
Speaker 2: not deep dive, but I'm gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Be right right now almost kind of like, how do
Speaker 3: you take that? Serious?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Almost?
Speaker 7: Club?
Speaker 4: Yeah, are you trying to say blue oyster at the
Speaker 4: same time, and you're fucking this up, Like what's going
Speaker 4: on here?
Speaker 2: Definitely all a New Haven business, it says, So this
Speaker 2: is an eating club.
Speaker 1: So like they like to enjoy meals together eating cloisters.
Speaker 2: I guess I think they're eating oysters and chatting.
Speaker 1: So they went cloister.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they called it that, but regardless,
Speaker 2: that's what he did. So but so many clubs, right,
Speaker 2: he's a joiner. He's a joiner, which means I suspect
Speaker 2: he will come up again, just to guess that's just me.
Speaker 2: He was known to be really flamboyant, a drinker, a stockbroker,
Speaker 2: and he he had this nice life that he provided
Speaker 2: for his family and these girls that he had. But
Speaker 2: he was kind of a dick to his kids too.
Speaker 2: He only liked Jackie, the other girl, and we'll talk
Speaker 2: about her.
Speaker 1: Too, Lee.
Speaker 2: They just call her Lee, but she she kind of
Speaker 2: got the raw end of the stick because Jackie looks
Speaker 2: a lot like her dad, and so he's like, you're
Speaker 2: the most beautiful daughter ever, and you're the best and
Speaker 2: most beautiful. But I had a little ick factor because
Speaker 2: he eventually is over this incest thing for the FBI.
Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, I gotta.
Speaker 2: Figure out what's happening there because there wasn't a lot
Speaker 2: on it. And I just went oh. And she ended
Speaker 2: up as close as she was to her dad, like
Speaker 2: didn't forgive her mom for leaving him because he ended
Speaker 2: up drinking, womanizing, not practicing stockbroking, I guess very much,
Speaker 2: and losing his ass. So Mommy dearest, here she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm out. I need a better daddy. And it makes
Speaker 2: you wonder, you know. And this is her, Janet Boovier.
Speaker 2: The other girl Lee looked much like her. This is
Speaker 2: Janet Lee. However, now I can't one hundred percent verify
Speaker 2: this other than a few books, which books or authors
Speaker 2: could lie their butts off, I don't know, but there
Speaker 2: has been some talk in multiple books that I've read
Speaker 2: her real last name was Levy l ev Why and
Speaker 2: that she was you know, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: want to say that word like Ashkenazi.
Speaker 1: Maybe will be better, but anyway, I don't know if
Speaker 1: we're in trouble for that. Yeah, so right right, And
Speaker 1: I just don't want to that.
Speaker 3: So a few times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well so they say so they say and
Speaker 2: the dad's complexion is super dark, and they do have
Speaker 2: Irish descent too, so they're kind of up against a wall,
Speaker 2: like they had to make money to kind of be
Speaker 2: society ish, because I mean, it's been done. We know
Speaker 2: about clay Shaw, but I'm just saying it's not as popular,
Speaker 2: So no wonder he's a joiner right, like he's doing
Speaker 2: all the things because who knows about his past. What
Speaker 2: I will say that Jackie is said to have all
Speaker 2: this poise and wonderfulness, and and I don't doubt that
Speaker 2: she does because I've seen things about her. But I
Speaker 2: will tell you her teacher said about this age, her
Speaker 2: real school teacher, not not her writing teacher, which we
Speaker 2: will get to. And she was extremely equestrian. She loved
Speaker 2: horses and you're gonna love her, a questioned teacher. But
Speaker 2: first the regular teacher said that girl is beautiful, and
Speaker 2: that girl looks sweet, but she has the devil insider.
Speaker 5: Direct quote uship with jise Laine and her father.
Speaker 1: Wrongerd mm hmmmm hmm. I agree, one one kid that's
Speaker 1: the best out of all right, And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: what makes what makes the difference? They say for her?
Speaker 2: He would even say things to Lee like Jackie's the
Speaker 2: most beautiful daughter a dad could ever want, and you're
Speaker 2: just go away and so but Jackie and here are
Speaker 2: super close. And then and then this divorce happens, and
Speaker 2: he doesn't end up walking her down the aisle, loses
Speaker 2: his ass, so he dies relatively young of alcoholism. It's
Speaker 2: like sixty four or sixty something, and I mean that
Speaker 2: was the end of him. So he kind of just
Speaker 2: fades off after this divorce. But this brings in some
Speaker 2: very important players with her, her new stepdaddy.
Speaker 1: And these are just one more picture of her equestrian stuff.
Speaker 1: This is Lee, the other daughter I wanted to include.
Speaker 2: He seems you'll see another picture with him and Jackie
Speaker 2: and the body just read the body language.
Speaker 1: She is also uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: You can see her hands are in her pockets, she's stiff,
Speaker 2: she's separated like it they had. I mean, it's everywhere.
Speaker 2: But even Jackie here with her arms folded like that.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, something's off with this family a little bit.
Speaker 2: But whatever, it could just be a moment in time weird.
Speaker 2: Maybe she just didn't want to take the picture.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just saying the incest guy thing
Speaker 1: over the FBI. That was a little weird.
Speaker 4: Not for nothing though, but like, can you go back
Speaker 4: to the last picture, JJ, you remember that dude you
Speaker 4: were showing last night on the screen bubbles. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean she doesn't look much different right there as a
Speaker 4: female version of him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean she looks like she looks.
Speaker 3: So like she might be feeling a little down in
Speaker 3: that picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks uncomfy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like half a nothing.
Speaker 4: I know, like everybody thinks like this and that about
Speaker 4: the lady, but in that picture, she does not look
Speaker 4: good the same.
Speaker 2: Honestly, she looks upset. Yeah, she looks like irritated upset.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure which. But at this point, Jackie, you know,
Speaker 2: she well we'll go into that in a minute, but
Speaker 2: she she's just visiting her dad's on weekends. So and
Speaker 2: this new one comes into play, and this guy is
Speaker 2: interesting and I need to do an even deeper dive
Speaker 2: on him because he came up and it got a
Speaker 2: little bit weird.
Speaker 1: So she remarries two years after.
Speaker 2: Jackie is so upset with this that she won't even
Speaker 2: attend the wedding. And this guy is again Yale. And
Speaker 2: also and before I get into who his best friends are.
Speaker 2: I think we should talk about the equestrian teacher. So
Speaker 2: her equestrian teacher, and if she isn't in on it, okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell you something right now that kind
Speaker 2: of blew me away. And there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: whispers that she might have been a spy, And after
Speaker 2: I read this, I could see why. So George demorn
Speaker 2: Shield is her equestrian teacher.
Speaker 1: She was well known.
Speaker 4: Just real quick, just real quick, Hiti, when he said
Speaker 4: something about a spy, So like, if she was, do
Speaker 4: you think it was like spy verse spy or spy
Speaker 4: on spy with with her in Monroe? I mean, what
Speaker 4: is both women in his life like fucking dictating what
Speaker 4: he was doing And he didn't even realize. Well, he's like,
Speaker 4: oh fuck, I'm getting this hot piece.
Speaker 3: She's screwing them to.
Speaker 2: Everyone, she screwed them over right, everyone around him, other
Speaker 2: than the people that aren't alive from being around him,
Speaker 2: Like the reporter that he was having an affair with
Speaker 2: she got and there's a big interest.
Speaker 6: The wife of the head of operations for CIA.
Speaker 1: Right yep.
Speaker 2: And there's another one too, yep, yep. And It's just
Speaker 2: there's a lot of weird connections. Now I'm not saying
Speaker 2: she was. Look, I'm just saying I've read a lot
Speaker 2: of information on her that seems real weird. And when
Speaker 2: you get into the real weird corner, you know, not
Speaker 2: just Lee Harvey Oswald is surrounded by all these shady characters.
Speaker 2: So is Jackie?
Speaker 1: Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: When I read the George de Mornshield part, I just
Speaker 2: went what And not only was she just you know,
Speaker 2: in a question, she just didn't go to lessons with
Speaker 2: him and go home? No, no, No, Her dad, black
Speaker 2: Jack's sister Michelle, and him dated and were inseparable, and
Speaker 2: they would spend weeks together out at their summer place
Speaker 2: together with the dad and everybody.
Speaker 1: And she called him uncle George, Uncle George.
Speaker 6: Wow. I didn't really as he was in the US
Speaker 6: that earlier. I thought he was doing some some spook
Speaker 6: operations in the European you know regions. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is all from her personal memoirs book, So this
Speaker 2: is her herself talking about this, And I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: And maybe he's still not settled here at this point,
Speaker 2: because you know, they were giving him trouble about coming
Speaker 2: here because they said you'res a double agent, you're a spy,
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, no, no, I'm not a spy.
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, I mean, that was mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: I never expected to find that. I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, and then it just kind of shocked.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that at all. That's wild because Morrishield
Speaker 6: played such an important role in the whole Oswald portion
Speaker 6: of the affair.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh yeah, I wonder about that, the Questionryan stuff.
Speaker 4: I have actually come across that multiple times. I haven't
Speaker 4: mentioned it every time because I didn't think much of
Speaker 4: it at first. But like when we Fellowship of Friends,
Speaker 4: there was somebody who I was tied to the place
Speaker 4: that also was tied to a question in place. We
Speaker 4: covered another cult and somebody was tied to a horse place.
Speaker 4: When I covered the German place out in Long Island,
Speaker 4: there was in a question in park right next to
Speaker 4: that too. It seems like like what's up with the
Speaker 4: horses is like something that maybe it's even just common
Speaker 4: thing that's good for money. Wondering who the fuck knows.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I have noticed a question arts
Speaker 4: or places specifically with weird people over the years of
Speaker 4: doing this show, It's come up multiple times, and I'm
Speaker 4: just like, this is weird.
Speaker 6: Those best Friends in Southern Utah have an equestrian component
Speaker 6: to their operation as well.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Oh, I don't even think about that.
Speaker 1: That's why you're here.
Speaker 6: They have a number of horselers registered on their on
Speaker 6: their registered vehicles list. I don't know how many horses
Speaker 6: they have, but they have a number of horse trailers.
Speaker 8: Are also somewhat of a statust symbol. You know what
Speaker 8: I mean to say, I have a much money, big hole.
Speaker 8: I will never rob anything.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's a way of maybe I'm sorry
Speaker 4: to interrupt you, but like I know, Fellowship of Friends
Speaker 4: was playing this game with like buying artifacts and stuff.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's even a way of like kind
Speaker 4: of finaggling and moving money around?
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you're buying something that might be
Speaker 3: alive and could die.
Speaker 5: But so when you know you transport horses, you would
Speaker 5: transport them and.
Speaker 8: Ungodly amount of money go into it.
Speaker 5: And I believe that it's if I'm not wrong, if
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken, that because of the nature of moving
Speaker 5: an animal, there's so many I guess things you can
Speaker 5: slip in and out because of you're moving this animal privately, right,
Speaker 5: and you're spending all this money, so you're not I
Speaker 5: guess subjected to like the standard customs or whatever. Right,
Speaker 5: But there are lots of people internationally that move horses
Speaker 5: all the time for whatever, and it kind of just
Speaker 5: you know, you never hear about it until you know something.
Speaker 8: But so if you wanted to move something.
Speaker 5: Kind of like with art, you could definitely do something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 6: So I haven't thought about that A great point. I
Speaker 6: said the same thing about the tigers with that Tiger
Speaker 6: king share.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, probably why we have more tigers on Texas
Speaker 5: than actually in the wild.
Speaker 4: I mean, there was a guy, the guy on our
Speaker 4: show where Caricardo, I mean, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 4: He might be onto something. I think maybe it was
Speaker 4: a little bit drastic on his views about sports, but
Speaker 4: he was saying he doesn't believe that soccer teams over
Speaker 4: there could actually financially run, going by what they're actually
Speaker 4: paying their players and what they're taking in. And he
Speaker 4: says they have to obviously be doing something illegal in
Speaker 4: order to stay open, and he thinks that's part of it,
Speaker 4: is like running shit, because he's like these these players,
Speaker 4: their buses, their ship, their planes never get balthered. They
Speaker 4: just go wherever the fuck they want. Nobody bothers them,
Speaker 4: nobody checks this ship. Yeah, he says, they may not
Speaker 4: even know, but they could be being used of their transportation,
Speaker 4: could be houling ship.
Speaker 3: No idea.
Speaker 4: He was just saying he doesn't think, and that is
Speaker 4: something interesting to think about. I don't you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know how it is over there, and maybe over here,
Speaker 4: I do think you probably could pay with the amount
Speaker 4: of tickets things are for people to go watch here.
Speaker 4: But he was saying it doesn't make sense, like if
Speaker 4: you look at how much they pay some of their
Speaker 4: players over there, like how the fuck are you actually
Speaker 4: able to stay open every moment? Like where is all
Speaker 4: that coming from?
Speaker 5: And I'm not downplaying the whole horse thing by no means,
Speaker 5: but I mean I always wanted a horse. I just
Speaker 5: didn't have the money to afford it. And so you think,
Speaker 5: like a lot of people love horses, but to have
Speaker 5: it like that is it takes money. And I think
Speaker 5: it's more of like a like a look what I
Speaker 5: got type deal, And I know of like certain people
Speaker 5: being in animal science. I know of certain people that
Speaker 5: would be like I got that horse from Germany. I
Speaker 5: got that horse from Hungary. I got that horse and
Speaker 5: you're just like what And there there is like a
Speaker 5: have enough money to and I think you know how
Speaker 5: like it's.
Speaker 3: Like a it's what people say that don't that don't
Speaker 3: buy the right.
Speaker 5: It's like a measuring contest, right two other rich people right.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 6: Anyway, it's culture in DC politics today. If you don't
Speaker 6: own a horse farm in northern Virginia, you ain't ship
Speaker 6: plait exactly.
Speaker 5: But like like Max Send, it's a Louis status satus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably all have bridles. No, no, don't be sorry.
Speaker 2: This is I hope you guys interject because I can't
Speaker 2: see and it will make for.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 5: One thing I was going to ask really quick, and
Speaker 5: you may have mentioned this, so was she French or not?
Speaker 1: So her dad?
Speaker 2: Her dad was apart French, but he was also Irish,
Speaker 2: which is why he was so dark.
Speaker 1: And he just like used that and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just tan. I love to tan.
Speaker 5: So when you say when you say and you brought
Speaker 5: up the zi and we talk about French, the first
Speaker 5: thing that comes to mind, is the pink Chanel suit
Speaker 5: that she wore during the assassination, and Coco had align
Speaker 5: herself with Hitler and so as a way to kind
Speaker 5: of keep her shop because she was trying to you know,
Speaker 5: when they invaded France, they were ransacking everything, and she
Speaker 5: was trying to align herself with it so that she
Speaker 5: could at least keep most of what she had built
Speaker 5: and too right, and.
Speaker 6: She ends up Adidas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she she ends up somewhat losing that war when
Speaker 5: she goes up against a competition with Esta Laud because
Speaker 5: Esta latter or the other juice.
Speaker 8: And so it's interesting, that's all.
Speaker 2: I did not know that Chanelle went back that and
Speaker 2: she is well known for being a Chanelle girl, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that the White House was like, hey, bruh,
Speaker 2: nobody can afford this crap. But but you know, she
Speaker 2: continued she didn't give a crap either. Maybe that's why
Speaker 2: her dad went bro You know what that is?
Speaker 4: That is kind of interesting if if there was a
Speaker 4: it's just interesting how the right will glorify these people.
Speaker 4: But yet if AOC was to walk in with the
Speaker 4: Chanel bag, they'd be fucking shitting on her all day
Speaker 4: on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Why is it.
Speaker 1: Acceptable because they're the elite.
Speaker 4: It's just weird, like mind games people have played with
Speaker 4: when it comes to politics, right, if you want to
Speaker 4: entertain politics, you have to literally sell your morals and
Speaker 4: values because they can never make sense to justify your
Speaker 4: belief in politics. If you want to pick a side,
Speaker 4: you will have to literally go against your own morals
Speaker 4: and values and like kind of flip flop on yourself
Speaker 4: to make sense.
Speaker 6: These folks were reality TV though, right. I mean, there
Speaker 6: wasn't a reality TV in the early sixties. It was
Speaker 6: the Kennedy in a Nassis situation.
Speaker 5: With very much so what Jackie War everybody wanted to wear,
Speaker 5: same thing with Priscilla.
Speaker 8: What Priscilla War. Everybody wanted to wear This was the trend.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well they did copy her style and they
Speaker 2: tried to make knockoffs of course, and then that makes
Speaker 2: more money for the elites as well, because then they
Speaker 2: can sell, you know, pieces that are similar and continue
Speaker 2: you know, getting more like basically advertising through the goyam,
Speaker 2: right for the elites, like, oh, these.
Speaker 1: People are wearing it, so now we need to change
Speaker 1: it up. That's what I assume happens.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I guess because they don't want
Speaker 2: to be the same as everybody else. Ever, so that
Speaker 2: keeps them in business because then if everybody but he
Speaker 2: does copy Jackie, then Jackie needs a new one. So
Speaker 2: then Jackie just continues to benefit from that. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's just a guess. But with Chanelle constantly putting out
Speaker 2: new things, you know, on her behalf. But yeah, she
Speaker 2: was very well known to be extremely interested in money.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you guys a quote here in a bit,
Speaker 2: but well I could just give it now. O. Nassas's
Speaker 2: daughter said, and I quote, Jackie was the most mercenary
Speaker 2: person I've ever met. She thinks, talks, dreams, and eats
Speaker 2: only about thinking of money constantly.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you said that, Heidi, because if you
Speaker 5: read some of the stuff that of Nacas's daughter says
Speaker 5: about Jackie, it's one eighty from whatever of Jackie. And
Speaker 5: she was bitter about that marriage. She was bitter about Jackie,
Speaker 5: and they were trying to take some of her inherent
Speaker 5: beause she was the only wasn't she the only child
Speaker 5: of Vasa's right and.
Speaker 1: She had a relationship with her, the only a live child,
Speaker 1: and there were laws there were laws against what Jackie did.
Speaker 2: So this is kind of at the end, but we
Speaker 2: can flip it here now because I mean we can
Speaker 2: talk whenever about onassas, But onassas he began to see
Speaker 2: some things his daughter was saying, and he finally.
Speaker 1: I think he tried to drive her to divorce. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know.
Speaker 2: And I didn't put the gigantic bush picture in here
Speaker 2: because even with it doled out, you can just see.
Speaker 2: But he had this island where he knew that she
Speaker 2: would sunbathe naked all the time, and he did her
Speaker 2: dirty and he sold.
Speaker 1: Like he told them, hey, go be here.
Speaker 2: At this time penthouse I think it was Penthouse and
Speaker 2: take these photos of her butt naked, and he already
Speaker 2: had pre sold the rights to them, and they ran
Speaker 2: it and she was livid. She thought it was just
Speaker 2: them doing it and caught her, But no, he actually
Speaker 2: set that up, and she demanded him to use his
Speaker 2: money and influence to try and go squash it.
Speaker 1: And she's just laughing. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I mean it was set up by him, So I
Speaker 2: think he was trying to drive her to leave at
Speaker 2: some point because you'll see their body language and a
Speaker 2: few pictures and stuff that I have, but like they
Speaker 2: kind of hated each other quickly. I almost feel like
Speaker 2: they got married because there's some sketchy stuff going on.
Speaker 6: And Clio I was wondering that same thing. Why were
Speaker 6: they married, Hidie? Why was she married John f K? Either?
Speaker 6: You know? Either care We'll.
Speaker 1: Get into that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get well, we'll get to that. Well, we'll
Speaker 2: hold on to it. But I'm telling you, guys, something
Speaker 2: is not right.
Speaker 6: What is it? Do you think brought these two together?
Speaker 6: These to love birds?
Speaker 1: NASAs? Okay, we'll do on Nassas. I have pictures and
Speaker 1: stuff for JFK.
Speaker 2: But Onnasas offered her something that she couldn't get here,
Speaker 2: and it was at a time when she was absolutely desperate,
Speaker 2: and he had been there for her a time before this,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't know this. So her
Speaker 2: sister Lee actually introduced them, and she had the hots
Speaker 2: for on Nassas and she was very much in love
Speaker 2: with him. This is why her and her sister also
Speaker 2: don't get along. There were bitter they fought like cats
Speaker 2: and dogs. Even in her will, she gave her a
Speaker 2: big f you. Jackie did to her sister. So there
Speaker 2: was always rivalry starting with these parents. The mother very
Speaker 2: much favored Lee, the dad favorite Jackie. So this was
Speaker 2: always a constant competition business. It was very odd and Lee,
Speaker 2: actually you had married very well to do, but then
Speaker 2: it fell through and she had met on Assis and
Speaker 2: she knew that Jackie was sad and they were going
Speaker 2: on a cruise and Jackie was sad because she had
Speaker 2: just lost her first baby and the name of that
Speaker 2: baby was Arabella. And when she lost that baby, JFK
Speaker 2: was nowhere to be found. Not only did she lose
Speaker 2: that baby, but the baby before that was a miscarriage,
Speaker 2: so she was a high risk pregnancy. And this baby
Speaker 2: was a full born, like stillborn. And when they told
Speaker 2: jack about it, he was with his girlfriend. He was
Speaker 2: not in the area. I can't remember which girlfriend it was,
Speaker 2: but this was his answer to her requesting he'd come home,
Speaker 2: as she is freaking out because she's delivered a stillborn baby.
Speaker 2: He said, the kid's dead. What do you want me
Speaker 2: to do about it?
Speaker 1: And that's quote.
Speaker 6: So they had a history before they linked up post
Speaker 6: post Jeff Kasemer, they had a bit of a history there.
Speaker 6: Old age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she begged for him to take her, like
Speaker 2: to allow her to go on this on Nassas cruise.
Speaker 1: They say she begged.
Speaker 2: I think she played her cards, like you're cheating all
Speaker 2: the time. Whatever, screw it, right, Lad, you're with your girlfriend? Yeah,
Speaker 2: with some of her. And I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is true.
Speaker 5: But wasn't some of her problems with her pregnancies due
Speaker 5: to a needing disorder because of what she claimed what
Speaker 5: she was going through with Jack.
Speaker 2: Well, she claims that, but also she was, and this
Speaker 2: is from her memoirs, which she wrote a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of letters, she was a pretty bad alcoholic.
Speaker 1: So I don't know when that started makes sense? Uh huh?
Speaker 2: And so I kind of wonder, like what's happening there?
Speaker 2: But the baby's always right. She's thirty nine, he's sixty something,
Speaker 2: and she taught so that.
Speaker 6: Did she know that he was possibly involved in JFK's murder?
Speaker 6: Or did he kill JFK because he loved Big Bush?
Speaker 1: Right? You ought to see it. It's fantastic. I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine.
Speaker 8: But she did her protection, she did.
Speaker 6: I think, right, But wasn't he supposedly involved in all
Speaker 6: that jazz?
Speaker 2: He's definitely involved with Mayhew, and he's definitely involved right
Speaker 2: on that side.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. I got a I got a paper
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that she knew or didn't know, right.
Speaker 2: It depends on if we believe. And I know this
Speaker 2: is a crappy copy, but this is what you get
Speaker 2: from the archives.
Speaker 1: But this is.
Speaker 2: Talking about how he will be in charge or NASAs
Speaker 2: will be in charge of all the Saudi oil tankers
Speaker 2: and he's going to have the rights to that shipping.
Speaker 2: So he's involved one hundred percent. And there's a bunch
Speaker 2: more with him and Mayhew. I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: bombard it, like I feel like, Okay, here's at least one.
Speaker 1: You can go check it out. There's like thirty of them.
Speaker 2: Mayhew was always involved in everything, and may he was
Speaker 2: one hundred percent involved with this. And then we get
Speaker 2: Demur and Shield involved on this other side of it,
Speaker 2: and we're also going to introduce another character, her stepdad
Speaker 2: and and and you're the you'll see it's just like
Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald. I don't know that Jack stood a chance, honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I look at this and.
Speaker 2: I think, oh my gosh, because once you find out
Speaker 2: who he's surrounded by, and.
Speaker 1: Then his dad.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh wow, so this guy comes into
Speaker 2: huge play. This is her stepdad and the mom and
Speaker 2: their family together. And his name is Auchenclaw Auchincloss. It's
Speaker 2: hard Hugh d Auchincloss, graduate yep of Yale and Columbia.
Speaker 1: But guess who his best friend is? Do you know?
Speaker 6: JJ h were freshment memory? Please? I was more familiar
Speaker 6: with his grandson, Hugh number three.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, okay, So Auchincloss is Alan Atlas's best friend.
Speaker 6: Oh that's right, there we go. I believe was a
Speaker 6: fauci under as well.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And it's very funny to me that you can see
Speaker 2: it just like you can see it with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 1: It's like the whole circle, sure, and you're just like
Speaker 1: the only one I'm not sure of.
Speaker 2: And not to say he was a better man, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you this is Bobby bucked the
Speaker 2: system harshly and his dad like there were issues with
Speaker 2: him and his dad.
Speaker 1: I also, I just.
Speaker 2: Wonder how much you know Bobby's influence there with trying
Speaker 2: to do the quote unquote right thing and whether that
Speaker 2: was for gain or for his family or just because
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, because he was pissing off every person
Speaker 2: that his dad made buddies with, Right, doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 6: Right, And there's the dullest boys are always around the situation, right,
Speaker 6: especially with the Nazis.
Speaker 2: And then we talk about, yes, she brought up Chanel,
Speaker 2: we know that the Dullest brothers funded sixty.
Speaker 1: Percent of the war for the Nazis.
Speaker 6: So like they were the ones behind that.
Speaker 2: Yep, And you just shake your head. And then they
Speaker 2: made all their money when Joe did you know, like
Speaker 2: everybody knew about actually, and JP Morgan also literally no, really, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's right here. And so when we talk about this,
Speaker 2: when we talk about all these things, you're like, wait
Speaker 2: what And you find out like all this stuff goes
Speaker 2: back to old money every single time. That's where JJ's
Speaker 2: right that I think it always goes back to these
Speaker 2: really old societies. It's crazy, I mean, and they're all
Speaker 2: Yelle graduates. Every single person I've told you so far
Speaker 2: except Jack yourself is a Yale graduate.
Speaker 6: Your discovery of the Bouvier's being a member of the
Speaker 6: Society of Cincinnati Heritage was a brand new discovery for me.
Speaker 6: So that was that was awesome stuff because they're part
Speaker 6: of the French side. They're part of the French chapter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I told those those French ones are important, man,
Speaker 4: m h. I just like saying something.
Speaker 6: Strange because the French are far more prominent here than they.
Speaker 6: I got my own thoughts about these French folkus and
Speaker 6: they're silly games. But the chapter America because they got banned, well,
Speaker 6: I got a lot of problems with them, but that
Speaker 6: may be one of them. Morning learning about Martinism thanks
Speaker 6: to your your your recent one of our recent discussions there, Heidi.
Speaker 6: But the French Society chapter of the Cincinnati Saudi Cincinnati
Speaker 6: Chapter was banned from France until nineteen twenty five. So
Speaker 6: I didn't you know the Bonapartes, the Boo Vias, and
Speaker 6: when now I've got the Boo Vias and as the DuPonts.
Speaker 6: These are the families of the French side of the
Speaker 6: chapter that I'm now familiar with. I'm only more recently
Speaker 6: familiarizing myself with these things. But for a great example
Speaker 6: of the power of these folks still wheeled as I
Speaker 6: allege and oftentimes and shocks when I find new discoveries
Speaker 6: like Heidi found with the Bouvier's. Here there's a guy
Speaker 6: named Guy do Plantier. He was the aide de camp
Speaker 6: to Marquis de Lafayette. I agree these names sound like
Speaker 6: fraggle rock, but they were real people, and he was
Speaker 6: the general of the French side. And his assistant Guy
Speaker 6: who Plantier. Guy who Plantier number five is a district
Speaker 6: court judge in Louisiana still today. So these people still
Speaker 6: maintain power throughout the centuries and these generations with these
Speaker 6: groups and the Bouvia seem like an interesting fund.
Speaker 1: And how often does New Orleans come up with the
Speaker 1: French connection, like it's all over the place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they run that place still. I think the French
Speaker 6: do well.
Speaker 1: And they were involved with JFK.
Speaker 5: You know what's interesting is when you say the full
Speaker 5: French connection, and especially New Orleans and you know, most
Speaker 5: of this stuff.
Speaker 8: I don't know if it's if it's.
Speaker 5: Mainstream or common knowledge now, but it was common knowledge
Speaker 5: at some point. And the connection with Lee Harvey also, well,
Speaker 5: when we talk about JFK, but you know Lee Harvey,
Speaker 5: look for the Ausner Clinic and that's where they were
Speaker 5: weaponizing cancer. And so it's very very interesting you say
Speaker 5: that about New Orleans and JFK.
Speaker 1: They had that whole branch out.
Speaker 7: There that was another former Nazi, right, hm, completely involved
Speaker 7: and then sound under Dola because Dolas is best buddies
Speaker 7: with the.
Speaker 2: Step dad who ends up remember how close she is,
Speaker 2: you know with her dad. He doesn't walk her down
Speaker 2: the aisle. Guys, there's some kind of riff that happens eventually,
Speaker 2: and it just says, oh he was He just was drunk,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, uh.
Speaker 1: He loved her a lot, maybe too much, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But she has this guy ack'n class walker down the
Speaker 2: aisle to JFK.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's weird.
Speaker 2: So they set her right, yeah, and then they set
Speaker 2: her up with this job. And this job she gets
Speaker 2: is for photography underneath the CIA, and she interviews important senators.
Speaker 1: Ie. That's how she met JFK.
Speaker 2: And she did a whole piece on him. These are
Speaker 2: just a couple of pictures of her, and this is
Speaker 2: the piece inquiring camera girl. So these are that's when
Speaker 2: she did JFK's and he wasn't really interested at all. Now,
Speaker 2: though we know Jack is very interesting with his decisions
Speaker 2: with women, there's some other things that come up while
Speaker 2: Jackie is becoming this really you know, debutante, the prettiest one,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Jack's a little busy Jackson school and
Speaker 2: hanging out all the time with this guy.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is his buddy, his best friend, and he's gay.
Speaker 1: And he admits that the body language between him this is.
Speaker 6: What's his name, lim Limb, Limb something.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Right, he did. Yep.
Speaker 2: He often slept in his with him and they're just friends.
Speaker 2: They're just friends. I don't know that I've ever seen
Speaker 2: my husband take a picture.
Speaker 6: Those in the JFK release files and they have the
Speaker 6: Limb files in there.
Speaker 1: They didn't. No, I don't think we're going to hear
Speaker 1: them files in the JFK released No.
Speaker 2: No, it needed to be because here's the thing that
Speaker 2: people say, Jackie could never have done that she loved him. Okay,
Speaker 2: you guys, I just told you what he said when
Speaker 2: their baby died, second baby that died. Then he's got
Speaker 2: this dude living in the White House and he's sleeping
Speaker 2: with a ton of women. On top of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think she could have killed his ass. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: I don't care how much you love somebody, you can
Speaker 2: only be pissed off so many times before you might
Speaker 2: snap if you got connections.
Speaker 1: She didn't have to do it. I mean, still bad.
Speaker 6: It seems like they were all into some weird sexual
Speaker 6: activities amongst all these folks. That's what it seems like
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 2: Do you know about the White House parties where he
Speaker 2: would make all the girls jump in the pool and
Speaker 2: take off their bathing suits, and then he would get
Speaker 2: all the bathing suits and take them so he would
Speaker 2: like talk them into jumping in the pool and then
Speaker 2: he's like, too.
Speaker 1: Bad, got your bathing suit. You gotta get out naked.
Speaker 2: This is from one of his bodyguards, So.
Speaker 6: He does not sound like the camelot that I was
Speaker 6: described in the paper.
Speaker 1: This is a very swinging camelot the sixties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is camelot, but it was so much not right.
Speaker 2: I think they just knew how to make a pretty face.
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. Okay, if you just had a
Speaker 2: baby dye and everybody in the world's watching you, are
Speaker 2: you really going to go on a millionaire's yah instead
Speaker 2: of you with your husband and cry?
Speaker 1: That seems crazy?
Speaker 3: WOA. No, I'd hate to tell you to sure.
Speaker 4: I do think some people that live that life could
Speaker 4: actually be that, you know, that fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not even think much about it.
Speaker 1: But everybody's watching them.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: It was bad, yeah, bad timing.
Speaker 2: This is a close up of her and her sister
Speaker 2: and and they're they also during this time when she's
Speaker 2: a photographer, they decide, right, and I want to I
Speaker 2: want to historically give you the like what was happening
Speaker 2: in the world when they decide to do this. They
Speaker 2: go in nineteen fifty one ants and do this wonderful
Speaker 2: European tour right as Doulas is trying to take over
Speaker 2: and you know, out the president of France.
Speaker 1: So maybe she was a spy.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, dude, she spoke all these languages, she's
Speaker 2: got the ind like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like they literally train her from a kid.
Speaker 1: They've got all these weird people around her, like Demor
Speaker 1: and Shield and Dolas and all these people. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is happening here? You guys really all that close
Speaker 1: like that every person we research, it's like, oh, and
Speaker 1: they were best friends with his sister's cousin Okay, well.
Speaker 6: I mean it goes at right along with what I
Speaker 6: when I claimed out Lee Harvey Oswald Heidi is the
Speaker 6: reason why he got repped into spooke ax heavies from
Speaker 6: a young age is because he came from the same
Speaker 6: club that she came from, the Society of the Cincinnati exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the point. And when we look at all these
Speaker 1: old rich guys, right, they're they're all the nads and
Speaker 1: they're setting it up. You know, there's definitely so.
Speaker 6: She's over in France and fifty one trying to I
Speaker 6: apologize what you're saying. They're ready.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's so, they say, they but she definitely
Speaker 2: went on the trip. They say it was just this
Speaker 2: we're going to go to Europe thing, but like it
Speaker 2: was at the same exact time, and so it goes.
Speaker 1: It's weird, you know, it just makes for a very
Speaker 1: super story. Yeah, I just think it's weird.
Speaker 2: And I think that there were a lot of connections
Speaker 2: with famous princes and famous people that they're going and
Speaker 2: talking to, and she's got all these different connects and
Speaker 2: she can speak all these languages, like.
Speaker 1: Come on, that totally sounds like a spy. And they
Speaker 1: don't say anything else.
Speaker 6: So did they meet an asses on the so they
Speaker 6: of Europe.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Lee met him then, but she
Speaker 2: did hook up and hook up actually and meet him later.
Speaker 8: And you know it is that Gabrielle Chanel.
Speaker 1: What's that there? Oh? This one, it's her sister. That's Lee.
Speaker 8: She literally looks like Coca Shanel. She was young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is uh Lee Bouvier. And and I can
Speaker 2: see why they you know, the mom. She looks like
Speaker 2: the mom, and she looks like the dad. I see
Speaker 2: why the parents were being weird. I mean, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: do that. I mean if you if you like your
Speaker 2: spouse like this is how I feel, and the baby
Speaker 2: comes out and looks like them, then that's a good thing, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's what I thought, but whatever. At
Speaker 2: some point, you know, with all this, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: your photographer, lady.
Speaker 1: They meet three times. There is a lot of reverse.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: You know, he was more on the.
Speaker 2: Mail liking side at that point, and that his dad
Speaker 2: is like, you have got to get married.
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. He's running for senate at the time.
Speaker 2: She doesn't even say yes, Okay, they get engaged, but
Speaker 2: guess how long it takes her to answer him when
Speaker 2: he asks. It's quite weird. Thirty days. She waits a
Speaker 2: freaking month. I think they had to pay her off.
Speaker 2: If it's true what they say about her and that
Speaker 2: she loved money more than anything else, I mean, it
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. I also heard there were
Speaker 2: stipulations in the marriage that if he ever brought home
Speaker 2: at STD to her, she got like a big chunk
Speaker 2: of money in the millions from daddy.
Speaker 1: From Daddy Joe, I'd like.
Speaker 6: To be the attorney to negotiates that contract.
Speaker 2: So weird, right, like, ay, you brought home the clap,
Speaker 2: now I get your money.
Speaker 1: But like, okay, that's weird.
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, the wedding does finally occur and they do
Speaker 2: get married. You know, at this point, she's kind of
Speaker 2: trolling around with him, like I said, until the baby
Speaker 2: loss and then and that was enough of that. She
Speaker 2: she quit doing that a lot of the times unless
Speaker 2: he like absolutely begged her.
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that that picture is out of order,
Speaker 1: don't she look a little fucking crazy?
Speaker 2: She?
Speaker 1: I think she looks right here, like I'm still happy.
Speaker 3: My husband said, Hi, Pop, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 4: That sounds screwed up, But like, have you ever seen
Speaker 4: on the internet when they want to start accusing people
Speaker 4: of having like retardles.
Speaker 1: If they're too far apart, right, I mean, she's far apart.
Speaker 4: To be totally honest with you, I've never really looked
Speaker 4: at the lady this much, And just from the pictures
Speaker 4: you've shown, I don't get why so many people told
Speaker 4: she was attractive.
Speaker 3: She looks like something's wrong with her. Actually, I think.
Speaker 2: My guess is this if she was alcoholic, my guess
Speaker 2: is her mother was as well, and this is a
Speaker 2: clinical and beautiful alcoholic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I could see that.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, a lot of drunks,
Speaker 6: A lot of drunks.
Speaker 3: Yea for nothing.
Speaker 4: You take that picture right there, and you give those
Speaker 4: head shots and you're saying, these are the these are
Speaker 4: the faces of the attractive people of the United States.
Speaker 3: That's pretty fucking shitty, man.
Speaker 6: Right, your headshots the appropriate.
Speaker 1: Beliou?
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, they do have this marriage, but there were
Speaker 2: often times, and they do say they go back and
Speaker 2: forth about like okay, you know, did she pick his paramours?
Speaker 2: That's a very French thing to do. They say she did,
Speaker 2: except for Marylynd. She did not like Marilyn. She was
Speaker 2: very upset about that. I don't know if I mentioned
Speaker 2: she did graduate George Washington College, and so she went
Speaker 2: to Vassar.
Speaker 6: And then really that's a big spoke school, right.
Speaker 1: Right, That's why I wanted to bring it.
Speaker 6: Up, George Washington University.
Speaker 2: And also, yeah, Society of Jesus in there. So she yeah,
Speaker 2: no big surprise with as much as she was dedicated, right,
Speaker 2: she was super dedicated Catholic.
Speaker 1: But I think she had a lot of.
Speaker 6: For sure.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you like I think, I don't know, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: And here's a good reason why it might be the
Speaker 2: person on the left.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know who that is on this side,
Speaker 1: because I don't know.
Speaker 8: Son on one side, and he.
Speaker 1: Looks a lot like this guy he looks does he
Speaker 1: look a lot like.
Speaker 6: You're still alive?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, this is you, guys.
Speaker 8: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the ridge of the nose, huh,
Speaker 2: the same the nose bridge right here, from the forehead
Speaker 2: down to the tip of the nose is identical, almost perfect.
Speaker 2: She blew it off as he looks like her dad.
Speaker 2: I can repull up the dad picture he.
Speaker 6: Does this, it's black Irish.
Speaker 2: Look at this right here, right Think about how old JFK.
Speaker 2: Junior was when his dad died before you start having
Speaker 2: darker features. A lot of people that are Italian and
Speaker 2: Greek are born with lighter hair and lighter skin and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and then it turns darker. So he
Speaker 2: was very young. He was like like three, I think
Speaker 2: three or four. He was very tiny still, because I
Speaker 2: remember the little thing where he's doing the salute. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm just saying, if you went on a boat
Speaker 2: right after the death of your kid and anyways, you
Speaker 2: made this guy and this continues for some time, you know,
Speaker 2: I just can'tnot get past this right here, where it
Speaker 2: goes from the forehead down, from the forehead down, from
Speaker 2: the forehead up, like the hairline is very similar.
Speaker 1: The eyebrow place.
Speaker 6: I've never thought he looked like RFK Junior. I've never
Speaker 6: thought it looked at all like he you just put
Speaker 6: you put a wig on RFK. You got the candy
Speaker 6: Women's me. This is resemblance with old Well.
Speaker 2: They're saying he looks like black Jack Bouvier her dad.
Speaker 1: Which I'm going to pull up another photo just to Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're going to.
Speaker 6: Have to claim something like that because it don't make
Speaker 6: sense otherwise it doesn't.
Speaker 1: But the face structures completely.
Speaker 6: Folks want to claim.
Speaker 1: That nos is different everything, oh big time. I don't
Speaker 1: see it the same.
Speaker 6: But he knows that's a black Irish fellow right there.
Speaker 6: You know the Spanish Irish roots.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: And so if you were worried about this kid getting
Speaker 2: old enough to start resembling somebody, and he still got
Speaker 2: the boyfriend in the White House, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: little sluty Pants shows up, Happy birthday, mister President. I
Speaker 2: think that was the end of it. I think that
Speaker 2: right there set her off so bad, like it was
Speaker 2: just enough is enough?
Speaker 1: I really, I really do. I really think that that
Speaker 1: was just take him out.
Speaker 2: You know, that's enough of that, because she doesn't look
Speaker 2: sad at his funeral, folks.
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, she just looks not. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: And then on NASA sweeps in and marries her right away,
Speaker 2: Like what is happening there? You know that I don't know,
Speaker 2: but look at the body language. Very shortly after they're
Speaker 2: married and stuff, they hate each other, and I think
Speaker 2: and and the pope was supposed to excommunicate her ass
Speaker 2: because she married him and he is a divorce a
Speaker 2: with a living wife. And when asked about it, if
Speaker 2: she was going to get excommunicated, do you know what
Speaker 2: the pope told told everyone, like on the newspapers, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: So he's not going to excommunicator, which I mean for
Speaker 2: the normal people out there, that would not fly.
Speaker 6: So the son get murked.
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, exactly. No, No, now.
Speaker 6: His first son get marked.
Speaker 1: His only it's not well unless we don't know about.
Speaker 6: Telling me you bring up some interesting factors, they may
Speaker 6: dispute that here. So when did his first time worked?
Speaker 2: So I think it was a year after they got married.
Speaker 2: And that's when Christina started saying, look, it's the Kennedy curse.
Speaker 1: She's gonna kill us all.
Speaker 2: So and and and I'm just saying, like she had
Speaker 2: five kids, all of them are dead but one. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, and all the boys are dead for sure.
Speaker 2: And his son dies and the daughter is the only
Speaker 2: one that lives. And she literally calls Jackie the Black
Speaker 2: Widow and actually convinces the dad to file for divorce
Speaker 2: because I think he pulled that stunt, the naked stunt,
Speaker 2: trying to piss her off enough to be like few,
Speaker 2: and she didn't leave because she's all about them Benjamin's
Speaker 2: and so you know, I think he finally was like, look, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're probably really all going to die, like I better
Speaker 2: divorce her. So he starts, and then guess what happens.
Speaker 2: He dies while their divorce is not final, and he
Speaker 2: dies of some sudden respiratory failure and they're still married.
Speaker 2: That's why she went and fought the daughter. But here's
Speaker 2: the weird thing. Even though in Greece, if you're not Greek,
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be able to inherit very much,
Speaker 2: because she had to be like from Greece to inherit
Speaker 2: very much, and she signed a prenup and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: They still went in her favor for a pretty large
Speaker 2: sum of money. But the daughter said on Nassas himself
Speaker 2: said on the divorce, because she's like, you're gonna lose
Speaker 2: your ass probably, and he's like, it's worth whatever to
Speaker 2: get rid of her. So this is not the Jackie
Speaker 2: that I always heard about. I was always like, oh,
Speaker 2: she's so graceful and beautiful, like read some books guys,
Speaker 2: it gets bad. She wasn't nice, she wasn't in her sister.
Speaker 2: Remember she stole him from her sister. Then on top
Speaker 2: of it, the sister and her fought like cats and dogs.
Speaker 2: And then like she was never nice to her sister.
Speaker 2: Her sister didn't. I don't even think she came to
Speaker 2: her wedding, to JFK and then she didn't go to
Speaker 2: her wedding. It was like this pissing match all until
Speaker 2: they died. And then when she does die, she leaves
Speaker 2: her sister nothing, not one thing, not like a bracelet
Speaker 2: or a childhood token or anything anything. She leaves hers zero.
Speaker 2: And she says this because she got it all in life.
Speaker 1: From her. So there's that.
Speaker 5: Dad.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm telling you, like, I think where the where.
Speaker 6: I look at these, these the situation and think about
Speaker 6: the taimeline of events there, and.
Speaker 2: This does not look like the dad. I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to make a trouble k. I mean, even her dad,
Speaker 2: it doesn't. He's too wide.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna say, well, she was light.
Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you, guys, this guy looks like
Speaker 2: look at this lip dimple, look at this well, he.
Speaker 8: Looks very Mediterranean.
Speaker 6: That's what I've always thought too. He looks very mean, doesn't.
Speaker 1: And he loves he loved to go to.
Speaker 6: The candies are like, no, they're they're black Irish. But
Speaker 6: you're like, this is not even black Irish.
Speaker 2: It's it's very weird that like literally, this looks like
Speaker 2: a little triangle. Look at this and look at this triangle.
Speaker 2: The more I analyze it, like, there are very few
Speaker 2: things from her. He got her upper lip, that he
Speaker 2: got his bottom lip not quite as poudy, but he
Speaker 2: got her eyes. They're kind of like kind I would
Speaker 2: say kind eyes. You know, he got a very kind eye.
Speaker 2: But the rest looks like this dude, and the ears
Speaker 2: are hers.
Speaker 6: I'm sold.
Speaker 1: I just think that.
Speaker 2: She had a lot of answering coming and she didn't
Speaker 2: want to deal with it because she was going to
Speaker 2: lose her ass. And I bet you there was a
Speaker 2: clause in that prenup that was giving her a ton
Speaker 2: of money for all the times he cheated. I bet
Speaker 2: in the prenups she couldn't cheat. I bet you money,
Speaker 2: because that's how it works with rich people. Shit the
Speaker 2: girls can't do. It's not the same for he is
Speaker 2: for her, so and I just think that this was
Speaker 2: I do think Caroline is his. I think there's a
Speaker 2: very remarkable resemblance for Caroline Kennedy to him, she is
Speaker 2: and Patrick the other son that died.
Speaker 6: Female characteristics I was talking about.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, she does look like them. And Patrick the
Speaker 2: other son that she had, the last son, she would
Speaker 2: have our last child, she would have also died, and
Speaker 2: so she had been through so much at this point,
Speaker 2: the bitterness. I could see it, you know what, Like
Speaker 2: it's not right, and I could never kill a human being,
Speaker 2: but like if you could, if that was in you
Speaker 2: and you were kind of sociopathic, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: if she hasn't got a conscience because they've been molesting her,
Speaker 2: I mean I can't prove that, but like that whole
Speaker 2: thing with her dad is weird, and and then all
Speaker 2: this stuff like if they're mk ultra, you know, making
Speaker 2: her traumatized. I mean I could see it, I really
Speaker 2: could that she wouldn't care. And then think about what
Speaker 2: she did afterward. You know, she walked around in that
Speaker 2: bloody suit all damn day and they tried to get
Speaker 2: her a change of clothes and she said no, let
Speaker 2: them see what they did to Jack, and I was like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, like that is something. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean that is wild. And this is right before things
Speaker 2: went really bad. But you can see their body language.
Speaker 2: They hate each other. They hate each other like it
Speaker 2: wasn't good. So then she becomes this editor and this
Speaker 2: is we already have may hw and here for the Mormons.
Speaker 2: But this is a weird connection that I have to find.
Speaker 2: I found this this morning. I have to deep dive
Speaker 2: this guy. Jacqueline Kennedy becomes this editor, okay, and she
Speaker 2: is the editor for this book called to the Inland Island.
Speaker 2: And wait till I show you this guy. This guy
Speaker 2: looks like her type, y'all. Oh not when he's old.
Speaker 2: But then he's still around, isn't he?
Speaker 1: Though? Let's see, how is it not in here? I
Speaker 1: thought I'd put it in here? But he's tall, dark, handsome,
Speaker 1: all the things. He's Latin and very much her style,
Speaker 1: very much her style. And he's a Mormon. And she
Speaker 1: ends up doing his book.
Speaker 2: This is a brief note on Stewart, you'd all, and
Speaker 2: it talks about this you know thing that he did
Speaker 2: this documentary. He's all about save the earth. But he
Speaker 2: also was what the Secretary of Interior from nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: one to sixty nine under President Kennedy and Johnson. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is another boyfriend, like, but they end
Speaker 2: up being friends. I cannot figure out why.
Speaker 1: She's there with him at this point.
Speaker 2: They're way older. This is way later, but this is
Speaker 2: them hanging out and celebrating New Year's to get there.
Speaker 2: I film this photo and I was like, huh, by
Speaker 2: the way, Mormon's aren't supposed.
Speaker 1: Drink, but whatever. I guess he's just poorn it for
Speaker 1: her maybe right, I don't know.
Speaker 6: He's just been a kind gentleman of that very very
Speaker 6: attractive elderly lady there with the weird wonkey fish.
Speaker 2: Eyes, right, the fish eyes. The fish eyes are the
Speaker 2: bad part, but the rest the rest is okay.
Speaker 8: Dang it.
Speaker 2: I wish I would have had that photo of him,
Speaker 2: but he he was.
Speaker 6: Very ignore the alcohol syndrome.
Speaker 2: So I think, in my opinion number one, just opinion,
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like she was a spy. It's
Speaker 2: not okay. I kind of feel like she has fetal
Speaker 2: alcohol syndrome. I kind of feel like she probably, you know,
Speaker 2: is the black widow that they speak of. To be honest,
Speaker 2: because all these people dropped it all around her all
Speaker 2: the time. I bet Christina was scared for her life
Speaker 2: for a like. And and also if they knew and
Speaker 2: planned it together, what's the best thing you can do
Speaker 2: is get married, because then you can't testify against each
Speaker 2: other in a court of law in the United States.
Speaker 1: So it makes total sense.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, they ran away and did this very quickly,
Speaker 2: and it was very private, and it wasn't Jackie style
Speaker 2: at all, not at all. So I think that there's
Speaker 2: a screaming case for that. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: that she was very if she wasn't a spy, she
Speaker 2: was dialed into the max like George de Morenshields teaching
Speaker 2: you how to ride a horsey when you're five, Like
Speaker 2: come on now, get out of here.
Speaker 6: And poor Oswald I had no idea. She mest how
Speaker 6: she met Kennedy was to be a photographer.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read the book about her memoirs and this
Speaker 2: book Nemesis, I'm halfway through.
Speaker 1: This is one of them. So that people can see,
Speaker 1: we'll give the authors their due.
Speaker 2: And also the private uh I wrote it down, Private
Speaker 2: Memoirs of Jackie Kennedy, that's the other one. She wanted
Speaker 2: to keep those private. She gave them to her daughter,
Speaker 2: but her daughter was kind of forced. Do you know
Speaker 2: this story, Lisa, You seem like you do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've heard.
Speaker 5: I've heard how she was not supposed to publish any
Speaker 5: of it and if she was going to publish it,
Speaker 5: to wait until she died was the whole gig of
Speaker 5: it all.
Speaker 8: But she did not want any of it published.
Speaker 5: And when you said, how like she was a photographer,
Speaker 5: publicist or whatever, and then having a relationship with JFK
Speaker 5: is so similar to Carolyn Bassett, how she hers was
Speaker 5: also a photographer and a publicist of sorts, and how
Speaker 5: she pretty much he was dating Daryl Hannah at the
Speaker 5: time and then just leaves her out of nowhere. Was
Speaker 5: apparently I thought they were living together and in love
Speaker 5: and then just like drops her out of nowhere and
Speaker 5: gets into this relationship Carolyn Bassett and then immediately just
Speaker 5: marries her.
Speaker 2: That's and you know both JFK Junior and Onasas's son
Speaker 2: die in plane crashes, both, yes, both of them. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: So I'm like I almost feel like I can't. I
Speaker 2: got to look up who died first, whether it was JFK. Junior,
Speaker 2: I think it was him first, and then On's son.
Speaker 2: I almost wonder if Onnasas did something nasty because she's like,
Speaker 2: if you take my son out of the will or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then she's like.
Speaker 1: If your son, guess what happens now?
Speaker 2: You know, because I could we're doing it because she
Speaker 2: kind of seems ruthless, like if we're reading between the lines,
Speaker 2: like I feel bad saying that because I know she's
Speaker 2: America's sweetheart queen whatever. But man, that's a lot of evidence,
Speaker 2: you know. And I didn't finish the book yet. We
Speaker 2: were like, Okay, it's getting big.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: If I did on Nassas and Jackie together, it's going
Speaker 2: to be like a three hour show.
Speaker 1: And that's just crazy.
Speaker 8: So you're right, she was not supposed to publish that
Speaker 8: stuff at all.
Speaker 2: And she was, well, she was supposedly forced because oh
Speaker 2: maybe so uh. She was supposedly forced because of the
Speaker 2: fact that they said they were going to make a
Speaker 2: TV movie about this, and somebody had leaked it. And
Speaker 2: I'm assuming it was her sister because her sister is
Speaker 2: salty and they were fighting all the time, and so
Speaker 2: also there's like pieces of this where it goes into
Speaker 2: Onassas arranging the marriage for Grace Kelly.
Speaker 1: Did you guys know about this and that guy, the Prince?
Speaker 6: Really so?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And it's well documented that Onassas's hand was one hundred
Speaker 2: percent involved with that and basically picked her and Marilyn
Speaker 2: was supposed to be it, but they didn't get along,
Speaker 2: and it was like she goes, well, give me this
Speaker 2: is hilarious. Give me two days alone with him and
Speaker 2: he'll change his mind. Marilyn, this bitch, I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh. Not only does she show up at people's
Speaker 2: birthday parties naked, but she does some stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you gotta whoa, you got some lady balls
Speaker 2: on you?
Speaker 1: Like it's wild. She I could.
Speaker 6: Be wrong, but I could be wrong. But in much
Speaker 6: in regard to some of the interjected, much in regards
Speaker 6: to Missus Jacqueline Buvia Kennedy A Nassis, I don't find
Speaker 6: Marilyn Monroe to be like what is there? Was there
Speaker 6: a different metric of beautiful women back then, Like you know,
Speaker 6: she's got some feel alcohol syndrome face going on herself, yes, yep.
Speaker 2: And also this girl that he dated at the White House.
Speaker 2: This is actually kind of sad because this girl was
Speaker 2: stupid and young. She was like nineteen and she was
Speaker 2: one of the assistants to Jackie. He took her virginity
Speaker 2: on their marital bed, and she said in the notes
Speaker 2: in their memoir, I think that that one hurt her almost.
Speaker 2: She wrote this down, yes, and that she was like
Speaker 2: she was gonna marry me, and she's like, he, more on,
Speaker 2: he's married, get the hell out of my house, like
Speaker 2: and then she did tell Marilyn Monroe at one point, yeah,
Speaker 2: come here and I'll move out, like you deal with
Speaker 2: all this. I don't I even want to do it anymore,
Speaker 2: like you do it, Like she was super hurt. After
Speaker 2: he kept like saying stuff like, oh, I don't even
Speaker 2: care about the baby's dying, and stuff like I can't.
Speaker 2: That's unforgivable, like honestly.
Speaker 6: Like I, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: The cheating's one thing, but that's a whole other level.
Speaker 2: Like that's pretty bad. Like what can I do about it?
Speaker 1: The baby? The kid is dead, That's what he said.
Speaker 2: And you know who talked him into going back was
Speaker 2: his RFK. He kind of seems like the good guy
Speaker 2: in this all the time, you know, And he's definitely
Speaker 2: banging his wife. He had like thirteen kids or something
Speaker 2: something like that. I don't know, but not saying he
Speaker 2: was one hundred percent faithful clearly, But I don't know. Marilyn,
Speaker 2: you know, back to the Maryland train and and honestly
Speaker 2: she said she favored him better than JFK from what
Speaker 2: I read.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I mean, depends on who's just
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 6: Weird sexual action. But most all these characters, there's a
Speaker 6: lot of weird, very weird.
Speaker 2: Actually it gets it gets very interwoven when you start
Speaker 2: seeing the same thing happened with Oswald. He's like, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden surrounded by like Marina, whose dad's like
Speaker 2: that big lieutenant in the you know, in the Russian KGB.
Speaker 2: And then we've got like Demor and Shield and his
Speaker 2: connections surrounding and he's just this poor guy that doesn't
Speaker 2: have any money.
Speaker 1: He doesn't belong with them, you know. But yet this
Speaker 1: looks like this from birth with him.
Speaker 6: How about David Ferry, right, he's keen you got a
Speaker 6: kid deddling David Ferry in his life as a youngster exactly.
Speaker 2: And they say that he because he was in an orphanage,
Speaker 2: they postially that this stuff might have happened to him,
Speaker 2: and that they mk ultered his brain when he was
Speaker 2: really little because he was an orphanage for a period
Speaker 2: of time.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know about because his parents were weird with
Speaker 6: his grandfather. His grandfather Oswald was Colonel Oswald in the
Speaker 6: Confederate Confederate Times, and that man's father was a major
Speaker 6: out of the Georgia chapter of the Wars of seventeen
Speaker 6: seventy six.
Speaker 1: So society is.
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am. In my opinion, Lee Harvey Oswald was an
Speaker 6: hereditary member, wasn't Oswald?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 9: Didn't we do a little quick deep dive on them Oswald?
Speaker 9: We just haven't talked about it. But Oswald's mom married
Speaker 9: a man that had like a million dollar home in
Speaker 9: Louisiana and of homes like that back then. And didn't
Speaker 9: he get into.
Speaker 5: The the military academy And don't you need actual like
Speaker 5: contacts within senates to even get into those academies?
Speaker 2: Wow, I know he was buddies with uh the one
Speaker 2: guy in the he was only seventeen.
Speaker 1: Was that fairy? Was that fairy that I remember remembering
Speaker 1: in the air something patrol.
Speaker 6: Yeah, David Ferry was his like boy Scout leader, but
Speaker 6: for the air, the air the civil Air Patrol. But
Speaker 6: you know it's like the boys patrol planes. And apparently
Speaker 6: he had to admit.
Speaker 4: They I mentioned that on the show before me and
Speaker 4: a bunch of kids I knew from fucking school actually
Speaker 4: tried that out for a bit. That ship was off
Speaker 4: the fucking hulk.
Speaker 2: He was. They say he was one of his conquests sexually,
Speaker 2: because you know, David Ferry was like predatory ish.
Speaker 1: They say, what I.
Speaker 6: Don't, Well, yeah, David Ferry was supposed to be like
Speaker 6: the troop leader, right, but Jim Garrison was like the
Speaker 6: commander of all, like the all like numerous troops, right,
Speaker 6: of these cadets, so he knew them all, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like he you know, this is a
Speaker 6: weird sup of stuff going on in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And this Levy name that her mom was.
Speaker 2: They postulate it can go back to the rothschild, but
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to say it until I until I
Speaker 2: looked a little deeper.
Speaker 1: But we'll just.
Speaker 2: Say possible, right, Yes, you guys are on point tonight today.
Speaker 1: Oh that's hysterical. That's great.
Speaker 3: I love it. Oh glad people understood what I was saying.
Speaker 3: I felt bad, but.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually came out in these recent papers that
Speaker 2: they had to admit that they knew him and knew
Speaker 2: him from a very young age. There were pictures, so
Speaker 2: there's troop photos with them all together, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I knew him. Yeah whatever. But that was back clear
Speaker 2: back when they just never released it. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: so we've got this French connection through New Orleans. We've
Speaker 2: got these connections through the rich people and equestrian stuff
Speaker 2: and possible a rothschild with this mom. Now I can't
Speaker 2: say that for sure until I deep dive that more.
Speaker 2: But Blackjack himself, he's this, you know, fancied chants guy.
Speaker 2: But like, honestly, at that point in time, he should
Speaker 2: have had a harder time making society than he did
Speaker 2: being very dark. They called him black Jack because he
Speaker 2: was dark, I mean period. So I mean I find
Speaker 2: it weird that they still put her in. She must
Speaker 2: have some sort of background if that's all he's got,
Speaker 2: and money that ain't enough to be a president's wife.
Speaker 1: Sorry, she's got to have something.
Speaker 5: Better, wasn't I mean, like you say, Society or Cincinnatus,
Speaker 5: that there was some sort of underlying French connection.
Speaker 8: To all of this.
Speaker 5: I think no one really points the finger at that,
Speaker 5: and how they leave that out. They always say, Oh,
Speaker 5: it's a Jews, or oh it's a Germans, or oh
Speaker 5: it's this. Nobody ever says French are involved and France
Speaker 5: has I think, wasn't. I think that's told to me.
Speaker 5: If you want to learn the language of labor, then
Speaker 5: learn Spanish. If you want to learn the language of politics,
Speaker 5: learn French.
Speaker 1: And she knew both very well.
Speaker 2: Now, I did read this weird thing, and I'll tell
Speaker 2: you guys it, but this is very conspiratorial and I
Speaker 2: have no proof. But they say that the night before
Speaker 2: Jack died, that she gave her first time ever a
Speaker 2: speech in Spanish, and if you listen to it backwards,
Speaker 2: it was crazy like I love the Devil and Illuminati
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah and this is goodbye.
Speaker 1: And I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 2: I didn't put it in here because it seemed nuts
Speaker 2: but fun fun to chat about.
Speaker 1: I just can't vet it.
Speaker 6: I'd like to check that out. I've never even heard
Speaker 6: of this speech.
Speaker 1: It was weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said, only if you play it backwards, and
Speaker 2: it was like all this stuff about it, and somebody
Speaker 2: got really into it. Now I don't know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the timeframe of stuff like that. But then she's
Speaker 2: like a one brilliant if she can say it backwards
Speaker 2: I mean gesh in another language.
Speaker 1: But they said she had a hard time with it.
Speaker 2: She kept stepping over her words, but she was very
Speaker 2: fluent and so it didn't make sense, and that it
Speaker 2: also didn't jive together. Well so maybe so, but it
Speaker 2: was just a big conspiracy thing. I couldn't bet it.
Speaker 2: So that's why it's not in the photos. Because fun
Speaker 2: to talk about, however, right, you know idea? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: I just want to twist us in fun fact, if
Speaker 4: any twin Peak fans whenever they show people in the
Speaker 4: uh the like lodge or that red room and it
Speaker 4: sounds like they're talking backwards almost, he actually made those
Speaker 4: people read those lines backwards and then he played it
Speaker 4: backwards the audio to make it sound like it was
Speaker 4: backwards but speaking forwards. So those people actually had to
Speaker 4: do those lines like actually talking backwards.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Well, I mean I know, it was a
Speaker 1: big deal back then.
Speaker 2: They used to always say, like if you played Beatles
Speaker 2: songs or whatever backwards, you know, was this big thing.
Speaker 2: So maybe, I mean, if she's that dialed in and
Speaker 2: she is obviously gifted from like possibly mk Ultra, like
Speaker 2: maybe that, you know. But I do find it very
Speaker 2: strange that he ends up appointed to the Incess Committee.
Speaker 2: I mean that anytime you see some weird stuff like
Speaker 2: that and people are going to say, oh, he's just
Speaker 2: a good guy and want to be over it. Okay,
Speaker 2: he had enough clubs under his belt and he was busy,
Speaker 2: like it just seems.
Speaker 1: Strange to me. But I can't prove any of that.
Speaker 6: But this INCESC Committee, Uh, let.
Speaker 1: Me find it. It just seemed strange.
Speaker 6: I'm familiar with it. But I'm interested in the early
Speaker 6: on set of the FBI because it involves the Bonaparte family,
Speaker 6: a different French chapter society, Cincinnati family.
Speaker 3: Yes, talked about them last night somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Napoleon because he likes to do Egyptian ancient His
Speaker 6: interest was not the mounds or was ancient Egypt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bees. The bees for him is gigantic.
Speaker 2: I want to get this guy on to do a
Speaker 2: show about these bees because the bees they sewed him
Speaker 2: on to their Bonaparte he actually sewed them onto his
Speaker 2: inauguration cloak because they were all about the bees.
Speaker 1: And then you think about.
Speaker 2: The Mormons, and you think about the Martinists, and yeah,
Speaker 2: and the Masons and the Beehive States, and.
Speaker 6: As we Joseph Smith was the society, Well, Joseph Smith
Speaker 6: would have been the same group membership as Napoleon the
Speaker 6: society since me.
Speaker 2: And claims and it was, and claims that he's what
Speaker 2: a Merivingian. Well, that was the sign of the Merivingians
Speaker 2: was the bee. So I'm just like, okay, weird, that's weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I can't prove anything here nor there about
Speaker 2: it other than the cloak had be sowned on it
Speaker 2: because there's pictures and they talked about it. So I
Speaker 2: mean that that part you can prove, but the rest no,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we know that they're hiding me
Speaker 2: and you have talked about this JJ family members that
Speaker 2: are royals out of nowhere inside Mormons, and that doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense to me. Like my great great grandpa
Speaker 2: was in South Africa and he's in the line like
Speaker 2: the key of England right now is my tenth great grandpa,
Speaker 2: not ten times removed, none of that.
Speaker 1: He is straight up up the line.
Speaker 2: So why was this uncle of mine all hell bent
Speaker 2: to come to Utah and be a poor farmer?
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it.
Speaker 6: I think another argument that you made that you're that
Speaker 6: one forefather of yours is allegedly the son of King
Speaker 6: King George.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's this is yeah, the illegitimate son legitimate talbot yep.
Speaker 2: And so I mean it's strange, interesting character. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's weird. It's really weird when you I mean, he
Speaker 2: founded a whole city in South Africa. He was doing
Speaker 2: well for himself, like he why would he leave that
Speaker 2: to just come here and be a dirt poor farmer
Speaker 2: like my family never had any money, like, and they
Speaker 2: begged him to come back because he ended up being
Speaker 2: one of the only male. This is all from FamilySearch
Speaker 2: dot Org. I don't know this much about my family.
Speaker 2: I just had to go in there and people put
Speaker 2: like documents and stuff in there. But they'd asked for
Speaker 2: him to come back over and over and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not coming. I think he was afraid to be killed,
Speaker 2: to be honest, but I don't know.
Speaker 6: Well, I think what you're describing with those circumstances is
Speaker 6: not all that different from the Bvia circumstances, with this
Speaker 6: weird soup of these bloodlines and this kind of spooky activity,
Speaker 6: if you will, and speaking to the French connection on
Speaker 6: the French side and how deep they are in America
Speaker 6: from the onset well, and this rift of these different
Speaker 6: this factional war between the Society of Cincinnati. Well, the king,
Speaker 6: the future king of France following the revolution, King Louis
Speaker 6: Phillippe number two, he was hiding out in Claremont County, Ohio,
Speaker 6: undern assumed identity as a school teacher during the revolution,
Speaker 6: and he was he was a member of the society.
Speaker 6: He fought in the war, but then you know, left
Speaker 6: France during the war as they got banned and he
Speaker 6: would later be installed as the king who Napoleon would
Speaker 6: then later overthrow, right and that all that mixed. But anyhow,
Speaker 6: King Louis Philippe was a member of the society and
Speaker 6: turned on the society and you know, guillotine, a couple generals,
Speaker 6: threw a couple more in prison, banded Lafayette, that kind
Speaker 6: of thing. But nonetheless, prior to that, he was hiding
Speaker 6: out in America, you know, so in a society city
Speaker 6: in America.
Speaker 1: They're all related. Like every time I go down my family.
Speaker 2: Tree, it's like George Washington and Jefferson and dud Dad
Speaker 2: and all these really crazy and Elvis, you know, and
Speaker 2: and like all.
Speaker 1: These people, Marilyn Monroe is one. Like they're all related.
Speaker 1: So it's not it's like that kid that did the
Speaker 1: book report about all the presidents being related and all that.
Speaker 1: It's true because I can see it like in my
Speaker 1: own branch, Like, I mean, my dad was related to JFK.
Speaker 2: Side and guess who else which I didn't know, String
Speaker 2: from Wisconsin that the LDS String, the.
Speaker 1: Weird guy, do you know?
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's my non Mormon relative, which was hysterical
Speaker 2: because I was like, of course, it just cracked me up.
Speaker 6: But because every kind of Mormon, yeah he was.
Speaker 1: I could see it because he was out there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's funny to me to see it in
Speaker 2: your own line when you look and everybody's related to
Speaker 2: everybody if you're related to one of them. So obviously
Speaker 2: they were doing something with bloodlines here. Clearly it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter I'm not trying to be like ooh, look at me,
Speaker 2: but like you go down that line, then the medici's
Speaker 2: come up too. You know, all these people come up
Speaker 2: in my line, the house Subourbon comes up. All these
Speaker 2: people just pop pop pop. So I'm like, okay, clearly,
Speaker 2: and then they're related to all the presidents. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: so I think JJ's right. They just burying people here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it does matter though, right, because we're sold
Speaker 6: a different narrative than these circumstances. Right, We're sold this
Speaker 6: is everyone has a chance to be present. And I
Speaker 6: can tell you that's not true. You have right genes
Speaker 6: in your body to get that make that happen, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. We're so that you know, these
Speaker 6: rural bloodlines don't matter in America. I can tell you
Speaker 6: that's not true. I mean it's these are these ideas
Speaker 6: are ridiculous. And then they we're sould Diana.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're saying nowhere, Yeah, like she didn't she's related.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's okay, Well, any of these people come out
Speaker 6: of nowhere. Right if you look at the through the
Speaker 6: lens of this weird parapolitical stuff with as you point out,
Speaker 6: with all the JFK stuff. It starts painting a vast
Speaker 6: different picture of society in history that we currently understand.
Speaker 6: And that's probably my most that's when I when I
Speaker 6: talk about the society of Cincinnati and how all these
Speaker 6: when I talk about my own families. I've been getting
Speaker 6: some heat about this recently because I like to routinely
Speaker 6: comment on Charles Manson and I being being cousins from Pikeville, Kentucky. Yeah,
Speaker 6: some people don't like, don't like to hear you bragging
Speaker 6: about being cousins with the serial killer. I'm like, all right, whatever,
Speaker 6: But my point being is, you know these people, we
Speaker 6: know these people's names, is because they're part of the family.
Speaker 6: This is this is not as structure we're sold as
Speaker 6: far as organizing principles of society here in America, but
Speaker 6: it is the reality of what we're dealing with exactly.
Speaker 2: And so, like you said, like nothing is happenstance. So
Speaker 2: they had a plan when they came here, and they
Speaker 2: and it's clearly not tracking.
Speaker 1: Get real. Yeah, let's get real.
Speaker 2: And then we have the big grab of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: and then everybody gets all into DNA stuff and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden Howard Hughes's dude is like all
Speaker 2: putting in all the computer things and taking a risk
Speaker 2: of being fired by pouring that computer database from where
Speaker 2: back to Hitler it went through IBM. So it all
Speaker 2: makes sense that they're looking for all of this. I
Speaker 2: think that they tried to keep track of it, and
Speaker 2: then as things, you know, got more spread out and
Speaker 2: the Mormons had too many wives into many kids. I
Speaker 2: think that not just here but anywhere, they've lost some
Speaker 2: of it and they're trying to find it. I really
Speaker 2: do you know. I know that's really conspiratorial, but I
Speaker 2: do know this.
Speaker 8: I agree with you, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6: Itually agree with you. I just think that their mission
Speaker 6: is going to always fail.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it's part of the alien cargo Colt concept
Speaker 6: that I like to look at these groups through their lens,
Speaker 6: like whatever mission or goals are trying to achieve, they're
Speaker 6: so off base of reality of what those what they're
Speaker 6: actually trying to achieve, you know, like the Islanders doing
Speaker 6: dances to get g I. Joe to drop off more
Speaker 6: palettes of suppose that will never happen no matter how
Speaker 6: many dances you do right, no matter whatever these folks
Speaker 6: are up to, and they're collective organized, you know, games
Speaker 6: in shanigans, like they're never going to achieve it because
Speaker 6: it's a fictional goal. It's it's not a real thing.
Speaker 2: Well, and to Lisa's point, I'm like, Okay, all of
Speaker 2: these people are here and this weird stuff is happening,
Speaker 2: and we've got the genetic control with the Mormons.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing the DAP did.
Speaker 2: He got arrested the very day all of the board
Speaker 2: of twenty three meters quit and I've got the screenshot
Speaker 2: for that, and and I'm like, look, that can't just
Speaker 2: be random timing, Like, let's get rose contrived.
Speaker 8: It was a percent.
Speaker 5: And everybody yeah right before that, yeah, yeah, Well the
Speaker 5: fact that it was going to go bang Upton, that
Speaker 5: means that now it's up for sale, someone's going to
Speaker 5: buy it, right, And now it's the whole the whole
Speaker 5: gig is that the people that were behind twenty three
Speaker 5: in me was Alphabet, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: Right, and Alphabet is Alphabet is one of the top
Speaker 2: ten investors of the Mormon Church.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean Sergey Brynn is married to the Wojiski, Right,
Speaker 5: family or a now they're divorced, whatever, But how do
Speaker 5: you have twenty three in me and YouTube in your
Speaker 5: back pocket?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Oh? Because YouTube? I know. I know how about YouTube
Speaker 1: because that.
Speaker 2: Twenty three and me was owned by the Wartiski and her.
Speaker 1: Sister owns YouTube.
Speaker 2: And she died and her son died, so they just
Speaker 2: swooped it all up. It's like a Clinton path. I
Speaker 2: hate to say, right, that's me, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. They seem to choose death over anything else,
Speaker 2: you know, and I do. I did read in her
Speaker 2: memoirs also that at one point Jack put her in
Speaker 2: in a mental place because she was drinking so much
Speaker 2: and stuff, and it was all on the hush hush.
Speaker 2: So if he did that and they really thought that
Speaker 2: she might get compromised, that would piss her off. Plus
Speaker 2: I read that now I haven't checked the name on this,
Speaker 2: but I did read that Marilyn and her were seeing
Speaker 2: the same psychiatrist, if it's the one for when she died.
Speaker 2: That guy, that guy was completely implicated in that whole situation.
Speaker 1: But his nurse was a Mormon, so.
Speaker 6: Interesting. I mean, there was only one Mormon ward in
Speaker 6: DC at that time, I believe mm hm.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: And there's some comments in the this comment is interesting
Speaker 2: here about you all and that he's involved with the
Speaker 2: whole sex scandal the hambling victims.
Speaker 1: And if that's true, that's a huge drappit hole. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's wild.
Speaker 2: So that goes into a whole mess, so which I'd like.
Speaker 6: To talk and ask you what did Marilyn ever?
Speaker 2: Oh, I just don't want to lose everything I have,
Speaker 2: because everybody that it has ever talked about the Hambling
Speaker 2: cases on podcasts disappears.
Speaker 1: So they just quit.
Speaker 2: Like the last girl that did it, she went on
Speaker 2: the big show, right, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: now she just does a baking show. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: she was great? Yeah, and I was like, that's weird, okay, hmm.
Speaker 2: Whatever paid her off or she got scared, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So it's weird.
Speaker 2: If you look into Sam's stuff that he's put out
Speaker 2: and just put in Mormon, she'll come right up.
Speaker 1: So I can't remember her name right now, but she disappeared.
Speaker 1: She just quit.
Speaker 2: She didn't say like I'm gonna stop after this season.
Speaker 2: It was like and tomorrow and then there was no tomorrow.
Speaker 1: When she got promoted, right, Yeah, she's now a cook
Speaker 1: for weed like she whatever. I'm like, Okay, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Seems completely left filled for a girl that was going
Speaker 2: after really serious journalism.
Speaker 1: But I mean that's fine, I guess.
Speaker 2: And then everybody moved to Scotland and they don't eat
Speaker 2: children because they said so.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to bring up before this is for
Speaker 3: me Jill or queen.
Speaker 1: Somebody just said it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was maybe the same for
Speaker 4: other people, but I think just from the simple fact
Speaker 4: of like, guess, going through school history at some point
Speaker 4: when you start getting to like, I guess current world
Speaker 4: what's going on, France always seems to play that whole
Speaker 4: neutral thing. So like I just guess, like maybe subconsciously,
Speaker 4: even just from then, I never really thought much of them,
Speaker 4: but like you know, now, I guess as a conspiracy
Speaker 4: theorism and occultist. I'm just like, I don't buy that anymore.
Speaker 4: Meant to look over there and oh, yeah, they're just
Speaker 4: doing nothing. They have nothing to say about this that
Speaker 4: I get involved.
Speaker 8: Well exactly.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, so it's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, we're not getting involved, but we're sending this
Speaker 3: too early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the time that they came over and started America.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to talk about Scottish Right, Scottish Right, Scottish Rite,
Speaker 2: but it's too new at that time. As far as organization,
Speaker 2: it makes more sense that it would be something like
Speaker 2: Martinism or one of those branches that actually practice magic,
Speaker 2: which is sawmonic magic, which would explain a lot about
Speaker 2: like occultism in the government and these things that they've
Speaker 2: been caught doing, like at cerned in different places, like
Speaker 2: weird stuff that you know is not supposed to happen, right,
Speaker 2: but then that gets into a weird thing with you.
Speaker 6: How are you?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 6: Do you think the Martinists in the in the Scottish
Speaker 6: Right match together in France there in the early seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 1: So Martinism is actually.
Speaker 6: I think the Scottish Rite invaded France in seventeen twenty.
Speaker 6: Maybe they they were.
Speaker 2: Martinism is a practicing branch, so they just actually performed
Speaker 2: magic instead of just talking about it. So they are
Speaker 2: an actual solomonic magic practitioner. One So and Cagliostro at
Speaker 2: the same time, so three of them started it. I
Speaker 2: do have a show on this I can't remember what
Speaker 2: number it is, but you guys see Martinism in it,
Speaker 2: and it talks all about how these three guys brought
Speaker 2: it about. But Cagliostro took off and he took it
Speaker 2: one way, and that's like the ninety something degrees. And
Speaker 2: then you know the guy that it's actually named after,
Speaker 2: he went more Order of the Heart and he decided
Speaker 2: it was too scary. And I don't know what he saw,
Speaker 2: but you know, pslomonic magic is not to be messed
Speaker 2: with really unless you absolutely know.
Speaker 1: What you're doing.
Speaker 2: And even then a lot of practitioners were like, no,
Speaker 2: Jinn has told me himself like that, yeah, you it's
Speaker 2: it can be scary. So I mean that guy he
Speaker 2: decided just to be the Sacred Heart part, and then
Speaker 2: this other one he went through and made like the
Speaker 2: Martinist part, and and so it goes into, uh, the
Speaker 2: big one that Sir Hans Sirhan was involved in Amerik.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a order.
Speaker 6: I'd be interested to know the epicenter of those activities.
Speaker 4: And oh, go ahead, Nick, I was just saying, Aymork
Speaker 4: is like a mail order kind of two please.
Speaker 2: But back then, but back then, I don't know, because
Speaker 2: they were talking about Sir Hans, Sir Hand going to
Speaker 2: Manly p Hall's lectures and so you know, then we
Speaker 2: get into some weird stuff. So again that that psychiatrist
Speaker 2: came out later saying that he had hypnotized him, and
Speaker 2: so then they and then he died. Then the prostitutes
Speaker 2: and thing he told them, and then he died.
Speaker 6: I don't know enough about Martinism, I do, I do.
Speaker 6: I am interested to know that the epicenter of these activities,
Speaker 6: they're hotty with the early French onset of Scottish right,
Speaker 6: because there was a Scotsman by the name of Andrew
Speaker 6: Ramsey who came to France I think around seventeen twenty,
Speaker 6: and he's allegedly the guy who introduces Scottish rite freemason
Speaker 6: or France. But he's also allegedly a member of the
Speaker 6: Priory of Psion and best friends with folks like Alexander
Speaker 6: Pope and Sir Isaac Newton. So the dudes integrated into
Speaker 6: all sorts of magical activities in France, and he's the
Speaker 6: guy that brings Scottish rights. So I am curious to
Speaker 6: know kind of that where producers there in the early
Speaker 6: seventeen hundreds there.
Speaker 5: JJ the whole Nazi thing, it wasn't I mean, they
Speaker 5: went into France and confiscated all of the freemasonry stuff.
Speaker 8: It was not a war of it's.
Speaker 5: The war of conquering or absorbing all of the magical knowledge.
Speaker 5: That's what.
Speaker 3: Italy into Ethiopia. It is still occult stuff.
Speaker 1: Correct, This is why we went to war with them,
Speaker 1: and why did we go in into the Middle East
Speaker 1: too to get Nimrod stuff, I believe.
Speaker 2: You know, And so hey, what's up, Tim. But I
Speaker 2: did want to answer Valo the Valo question. I did
Speaker 2: have an interview with Lori, Valo's niece, and I will
Speaker 2: be putting that up pretty soon. And you know, it
Speaker 2: was very It was hard for her. You know, she's
Speaker 2: JJ's aunt on that side, so it was really sad
Speaker 2: for her. And she's a nice lady. She does podcasts
Speaker 2: on it, So yeah, just sad.
Speaker 4: One thing I did want to add real quick about
Speaker 4: Martinism before we move on or whatever, where I forget
Speaker 4: I don't know much about it, but when I was
Speaker 4: getting interested in joining something to sort of like figuring
Speaker 4: out like what's going on in these orders or like
Speaker 4: what's magic. You know, I've mentioned it multiple times. I
Speaker 4: really I would have preferred the Golden Down. There wasn't
Speaker 4: one near me. Again, I wasn't all that all that
Speaker 4: about the OTO because of Crowley's association or you know
Speaker 4: how just whatever. And I knew freemasonry was just going
Speaker 4: to take way too long because I knew somebody who
Speaker 4: was in the OTO and freemasonry, and they had told me,
Speaker 4: they said, the only other thing I could think of maybe,
Speaker 4: they said, try the Martinists. They said, you will walk
Speaker 4: inside the door and you'll be able to practice magic
Speaker 4: as if the Golden Doorn or the Oto.
Speaker 3: You won't have to wait like freemason me.
Speaker 4: And he even said that he's again and they do
Speaker 4: actually kind of do things as in like freemasonry will do.
Speaker 4: He's like maybe every one every year or every two years,
Speaker 4: they'll they'll go on a cruise together and they'll put
Speaker 4: money together and the lodge will actually go out and
Speaker 4: do something, he said. But he did say that, you know,
Speaker 4: occultism and magic will be right there for you to
Speaker 4: play with as soon as you walk in the door.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's irresponsible, knowing that it's solomonic magic and
Speaker 2: knowing how many things can go wrong, you know.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, in my opinion.
Speaker 6: Do they have chicka golfs like the Freemasons do?
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 6: Just your friendly neighborhood ceremonial magicians cooking some chili.
Speaker 1: Hey, we could ask some of them. I think there's some.
Speaker 4: Then, and then right next to that, after you don't
Speaker 4: want that, you can go to the Lions the Lions
Speaker 4: club set up and get your eyes checked.
Speaker 3: You know he got.
Speaker 6: And then if you want, you can go talk about
Speaker 6: club on your way out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go stop at the Rotary Club. They'll drop you
Speaker 3: off a lady bird Lake.
Speaker 1: Oh boy.
Speaker 2: This is why we're not supposed to take us right.
Speaker 2: This is this gets into complications that are just massive.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a lot of efferey going
Speaker 1: on here. I'm on you know, I'm on the side
Speaker 1: of that. This is all related.
Speaker 2: I think JJ has got a really good point with
Speaker 2: the Society of Cincinnati on a lot of this. We
Speaker 2: see all these societies coming up and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they're not in this just for games. And I don't
Speaker 2: think they're just in it for money either. I think
Speaker 2: there's some bloodlines that talk here.
Speaker 6: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 6: Behind this there's some LOGISTI yeah, but it's one thing
Speaker 6: to track it. But like then how do you get
Speaker 6: these folks to intermarry? Like there's somebody, I don't know,
Speaker 6: folks tracking these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's somebody given the orders. It's the unknown
Speaker 2: superior that gives the orders.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, these maybe ultra terrestrial type characters that are
Speaker 6: giving these words. I don't know, but somebody, somebody is
Speaker 6: tracked these things.
Speaker 2: We go back to the seance of the Nine that's
Speaker 2: involved in this JFK part, and it really makes you wonder.
Speaker 2: You know, all of those people at that seance that
Speaker 2: we talked about. That seance was super important. With the
Speaker 2: people that were there. They were all the old money families.
Speaker 2: They were all that like the Morgans and the I
Speaker 2: can't remember all of them now, but they were very
Speaker 2: they were all the top echelon basically, and so and
Speaker 2: Doulas's girlfriend was there, Doulas's girl, and Ruth.
Speaker 1: Payne, Ruth Payne was there.
Speaker 2: The senior Ruth Paine, not not the younger, but Michael
Speaker 2: Payne's mother that worked for Bell Helicopter was there.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 6: They're friendly Nazis bell helicopters exactly.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and then they've got all this forbidden knowledge and
Speaker 2: they're building helicopters. It's fine. They brought some stuff here
Speaker 2: that is very strange. And then you get into you know,
Speaker 2: Parsons and all these people are like inner woven somehow,
Speaker 2: people that you would never think were like it makes
Speaker 2: no sense.
Speaker 6: He's another character Society Cincinnati Heritage. He recent discovery of mine.
Speaker 6: I've been I've been going deep on the occult genealogies
Speaker 6: of America. Here the occult characters. After looking at all the
Speaker 6: Justice Smith stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, it's crazy. I think they lie about Justicph Smith's kids.
Speaker 2: I think there's definitely some extra kids, but they get yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did see that they had paid off certain well
Speaker 2: I can't prove the payoff part. I did see that
Speaker 2: they had certain people that they asked to never take
Speaker 2: a genealogy test. But that's not going to work because
Speaker 2: what about all their kids and their kids and there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, there must be like a tracking,
Speaker 2: like you said, on certain blood lines and they just
Speaker 2: probably knew it and say.
Speaker 1: Ah, that was a string. I don't know who blame
Speaker 1: it on someone else.
Speaker 5: For most of what I assume, the Abrahamic religions center
Speaker 5: their faith on not being of this world, to not
Speaker 5: attach yourself to earthly realms. Yet in Genesis and in
Speaker 5: all of the abraham religious texts, they begin with telling
Speaker 5: you bloodlines. Why would that matter? Right, It's it does matter,
Speaker 5: it does matter.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree. I mean, you know, there's they
Speaker 2: dedicate a whole lot of the Bible too, and they
Speaker 2: begat and begat and begat. Okay, so they're begatting, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I think the bloodlines are tainted.
Speaker 1: I do think that they.
Speaker 2: Have taken the DNA from Nimrod and used it for
Speaker 2: their purposes. Because he became a mighty man of old.
Speaker 2: He wasn't one to begin with. And I do find
Speaker 2: it very strange and interesting that how did he do that?
Speaker 2: He put on the garment, right, the nakashious garment. That's
Speaker 2: how he became a mighty mani old. And what do
Speaker 2: the Mormons wear a special garment? You bet you're ass
Speaker 2: they do. So between that and their sinews talk at
Speaker 2: the veil and all that crap, I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: this is serious. They know and I think that's why
Speaker 2: they're flexing right now, where it's all over that they've
Speaker 2: boughten like Westminster Abbey.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 2: And also it's all over that they built their temple
Speaker 2: right down the street from the Vatican, but Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City is now remodeled just like the Vatican and like
Speaker 2: a keyhole. And they took out the Living Waters fountain,
Speaker 2: which was hugely important for LDS people, and replaced it
Speaker 2: with a big New World Order flag display and tell
Speaker 2: them to be good global citizens. I mean, they're not
Speaker 2: even trying anymore. They're not even hiding it anymore.
Speaker 8: So they're competing.
Speaker 5: They're competing with They're competing with the Catholics to be
Speaker 5: the number one religion because at some point, I think
Speaker 5: there has to be a religion that supersedes all of them.
Speaker 5: If they're going to do this New World Order, there
Speaker 5: has four one religion that they.
Speaker 2: Right, or they'll they want to be there, or they'll
Speaker 2: be like the Freemasons and say, well, as long as
Speaker 2: you believe in God, and we're all Freemasons together, we'll
Speaker 2: just all run this bitch together.
Speaker 1: But they're all fighting about who gets to be the boss.
Speaker 2: And that's where they're I think they're going to implode,
Speaker 2: to be honest, because they're all a bunch of younger,
Speaker 2: crazy people.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 6: My money's down. They're gonna they're all going to come
Speaker 6: together like Voltron, all these ancient alien cargo cults, the
Speaker 6: Vatican included, and they're going to come together like Vultron,
Speaker 6: blast off this planet, leave the rest of us alone.
Speaker 1: Well, let them go, geeesh, let's please go, Yes, please go. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: go to Mars. Get your elon and go to Mars.
Speaker 6: Right, Republican exactly see you you know what I'm talking about, ship.
Speaker 1: Out here exactly.
Speaker 2: Strange, very strange. But yeah, I think you know, the
Speaker 2: nods to you know, Jupiter being their god. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's all very it's all very strange.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny. What's his name, Mcrone. When
Speaker 5: he first got into office, speaking of France, he had said,
Speaker 5: I want to rule like Jupiter.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, well Jupiter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all over those parchments for Joseph and his
Speaker 2: family and you know, yeah, the Jupiter talisman. He had
Speaker 2: all these things. And when I did my show at Chen,
Speaker 2: it's not out yet, but it will be. And we
Speaker 2: went deep into that Jupiter thing. And I'm telling you
Speaker 2: guys like they know stuff that were never even as
Speaker 2: much as I could study or as much as I
Speaker 2: collaborate with people, we're never going to have it all.
Speaker 2: But isn't it the best cover that they take their
Speaker 2: missionaries at eighteen and two years they go away like
Speaker 2: they're probably just going to mystery schools. That's my guess
Speaker 2: on the really the elites anyway, but not not the
Speaker 2: normal people of course. Yeah, weird, weird gets weird. Oh definitely,
Speaker 2: I thought it was Harris. I guess you wrap it
Speaker 2: up here, right?
Speaker 6: I actually so if you're if you were done with
Speaker 6: some of that stuff. I had a fun fact to
Speaker 6: Mormon stuff I wanted to share with you that I
Speaker 6: discovered Jodge. So I don't remember where I came across this,
Speaker 6: and I may have actually sent you nowe. I don't
Speaker 6: recall either. But Gavin Newsom's father had an attorney. There
Speaker 6: were the Getty Foundation people out there in California who
Speaker 6: was an SS officer. He worked, he's his mentor whatever
Speaker 6: business business associate or whatever in this mix. And when
Speaker 6: he got out as an SS officer, He marries a
Speaker 6: Mormon and an old folks down in southern California and
Speaker 6: claims to be Mormon citizen, gets shipped out of the country.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the officer, Yeah, this is like so by the
Speaker 6: time he gets out in like eighty one, I think
Speaker 6: he's living in an old folks home in southern California. Again,
Speaker 6: very big time Getty's Newsome's all that stuff there in California,
Speaker 6: doing business business stuff with him for years after all
Speaker 6: the spook activity's an SS officer stuff because I think
Speaker 6: he was part of the Brian Hurt Galen network after
Speaker 6: the war, and you know, all this stuff gets out
Speaker 6: and he's like, oh, no, I'm a Mormon now. I
Speaker 6: married this Mormon lady in this old folks home and
Speaker 6: you know, so he's trying to get charges. Was I'm
Speaker 6: a Mormon now?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: But he must know something, right, He must say something
Speaker 6: about California, right, He must know who runs California. Right.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's not Gettys. Maybe it is the Mormons. He
Speaker 6: already worked for the Getties, he already knew them, right,
Speaker 6: Why would he need to go Mormon?
Speaker 1: Right? Well, I'll tell you what I think.
Speaker 2: Sometimes as Bill Schnellenbaum, I can't remember how to say
Speaker 2: his last name kind of came out. Yes, he said
Speaker 2: that they told him, if you ever get in trouble,
Speaker 2: go be a Mormon.
Speaker 1: So maybe that was the card he you pulled. I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's wild.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're definitely appear to be the underdog.
Speaker 2: But I even saw this morning on my phone that
Speaker 2: it said soon they will not have to use their
Speaker 2: tithing at all at all to do their investments because
Speaker 2: they're so wealthy. So yeah, there's there. And you know,
Speaker 2: they threw out the case. They threw out the case
Speaker 2: about their financials. They threw it out, the enzyme peak stuff. No,
Speaker 2: they just threw it out day before yesterday or something.
Speaker 2: Judge said, they don't have to tell you what they
Speaker 2: use their money for.
Speaker 1: All that money.
Speaker 2: Terriable donations from their people, and they don't have to
Speaker 2: explain themselves.
Speaker 1: Pretty bad. So yeah, I think they're flexing all kinds.
Speaker 2: I think these nWo people, all these people that you know,
Speaker 2: are obviously hooked together. I think right now they're at
Speaker 2: this big poker game and they're all kind of putting
Speaker 2: their cards on the table, like somebody called it, And
Speaker 2: it's getting close to that because they're doing some weird stuff.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, let's see, Oh Kevin Newso, yeah,
Speaker 2: Tim and the Nazis, he's gonna go find that.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good one. It's wild and
Speaker 1: that's weird.
Speaker 2: Did you see did you see the best Friends Society
Speaker 2: thing for the hym Ones that they were talking about.
Speaker 3: In the chat?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Desert Rain. Yeah, she's she's she's very now on
Speaker 6: some unique Mormon stuff there herself.
Speaker 1: And awesome background.
Speaker 2: We should check that out because that's the part where
Speaker 2: the other girl, the chill or Queen, postulated that not
Speaker 2: just like I postulate it's the elites of the LDS,
Speaker 2: not the LDS, but she said that there was like
Speaker 2: a Satanic order inside of it. So we very well
Speaker 2: maybe talk about the same thing. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of people say Sidney Rigden came out there like his
Speaker 2: people and started like more of a nefarious one.
Speaker 6: So I don't know, No, for sure, there's probably a
Speaker 6: lot to be said that. And the Hamlins are still
Speaker 6: down there in Canab. I've looked at the Hamblin's residing
Speaker 6: in around canob there and there's Hamblin's down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cannab Is and it's in the middle of ocean.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a big desert patch. Like I don't
Speaker 2: think you'd want to stay there unless you had a reason.
Speaker 2: David Kennedy is one I need to take a deep
Speaker 2: dive on because of Justin's work. We were talking about
Speaker 2: him possibly being the connector between a lot of these.
Speaker 6: Key David, is this that Mormon fell out of Chicago?
Speaker 2: I can't remember where he's from, but I know me
Speaker 2: and Justin were talking about possible connects, and I've got
Speaker 2: a deep dive that I begged him to come back,
Speaker 2: but he's he's not.
Speaker 1: But miss miss Justin. He's great researcher.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah for real, did amazing work on the show.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: David M. Kennedy, Yes nine, the five to nineteen ninety six. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I know who you're talking about. He's an interesting character, isn't.
Speaker 2: He very very He laid out some places that connected
Speaker 2: to other places that he didn't know mine. We talked
Speaker 2: one day about the connections and we were like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe this is what.
Speaker 1: We've been looking for. So I was hoping, like I
Speaker 1: said that I waited because I didn't. He said, just
Speaker 1: go ahead. So yeah, he's not he's not interested. So
Speaker 1: unfortunately he's great, busy with kids and stuff. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I get it happens, but yeah, but yeah, this was
Speaker 1: fun and I learned a bunch. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Like I said, at the end of this book, I'll
Speaker 2: see if anything changes. But Nemesis by Peter Evans was
Speaker 2: one of them. The memoirs book from Jackie herself and
Speaker 2: then online. Uh, there's a lot, but most of it
Speaker 2: circulates around how her and her sister treated each other.
Speaker 2: And you look into dark Jackie or Jackie secrets just
Speaker 2: being a drunk and her sister fighting with her. You
Speaker 2: got to be on there forever trying to go through
Speaker 2: all this stuff because that's all they want to say.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, but there's a lot more
Speaker 2: than that with some of these societies she belongs to.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of sold that JFK. Junior was Onassis's kid, so.
Speaker 6: I'm totally sold. Yeah, yeah, I just popped a link
Speaker 6: for that auto on Bolshwing, the newsom Nazi that turned
Speaker 6: Mormon to save his save his ass when he already
Speaker 6: had all the political weight you can. You can imagine
Speaker 6: at that point, c I A Getty's NEWSMS. He's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: I'm Mormon, though, Now that's really going to save me.
Speaker 1: I'm Mormon. Don't worry about it. I'm Mormon. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess it didn't, did it. Didn't he get shipped out?
Speaker 6: I think he died in the mix of it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I remember correctly. Remember he was he was an elderly
Speaker 6: fello at the time, obviously.
Speaker 1: So right right. They probably were like, just take care
Speaker 1: of that, like one extra sleeping pill.
Speaker 6: It's fine, Sea.
Speaker 1: They really love like all the things. It's it's been
Speaker 1: quite eye opening.
Speaker 2: It's hard because before I did podcasting, I was just
Speaker 2: like this really like I love America person, and now
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I don't know what to think anymore.
Speaker 2: Like it's sad because you you know, you grew up
Speaker 2: with certain things and you think certain things and then
Speaker 2: you learn the truth and it's yeah.
Speaker 1: Facts are stranger than fiction. So definitely sadly, sadly sadly yes,
Speaker 1: yea yeap, oh. The Mormons are always there? Why are
Speaker 1: they always just right there? Like should this book editor
Speaker 1: thing through me?
Speaker 2: I'm like who the hell is this guy? And then
Speaker 2: to find out he was actually in Kennedy's you know
Speaker 2: court at the time.
Speaker 1: Like, basically it was weird. I don't know. I got
Speaker 1: a deep dive him more. Yeah, weird, weird stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, good job. Everybody chat. Seek to enjoy it. I
Speaker 3: definitely did. It was all news to me.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, thank you you guys.
Speaker 3: It's got information a lot of good.
Speaker 6: List for sure. Thank you, Heidi. Great stuff. As always.
Speaker 6: I love talking Mormon stuff here with y'all.
Speaker 1: I love talking to you guys, love being part of
Speaker 1: the occult rejects. I like how you guys are real.
Speaker 1: It's awesome, and I love that. I love podcasting in general.
Speaker 1: So thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course, Uh yeah, I'll wrap it up
Speaker 4: real quick. Uh, Lisa, thank you very much for joining us.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Uh anything you want to plug or
Speaker 4: anything for yourself or whatever.
Speaker 8: No, just very much enjoyed the chat.
Speaker 1: Heidi.
Speaker 5: You always bring so much information and very well researched
Speaker 5: and sourced, and not only bring it and conversated and
Speaker 5: related to where everybody like picks it up and you're
Speaker 5: able to absorb it.
Speaker 8: So thank you.
Speaker 5: For that, and JJ of course just you're always fire anyway,
Speaker 5: so thank you so much for that. Thank you Nick
Speaker 5: for inviting me to come on. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: But the only thing you want to plug is the
Speaker 5: Occult Research Institute dot org even put something up here recently,
Speaker 5: so yeah, that was it. Just check us out there
Speaker 5: on Occult Research Insto dot org.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for minding me. I I gotta
Speaker 4: post that actually again. Uh and JJ Vance not the
Speaker 4: vice president. Please let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 4: your stuff again real.
Speaker 6: Quick, nixt ser I appreciate the invice always JJ Vance
Speaker 6: not the vice President. Host of Operations GCD coming up
Speaker 6: here on Wednesday night in our next operation GCD Live
Speaker 6: the Occult and Oresto teric review of the film the
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece film The Golden Child with
Speaker 6: Nick and Jen the Ninja. So that'll be a good one.
Speaker 6: But Lisa always always great having a conversation with here
Speaker 6: on the Occult Rejects and Heidi. I always enjoy the
Speaker 6: Mormon talking and I definitely appreciate the Bouvia discovery because
Speaker 6: this French side of the society is when I'm certainly
Speaker 6: trying to understand. And the more I look at the
Speaker 6: JFKSE situation, the more I see the society between Oswald
Speaker 6: and now even Kennedy's wife, is a society family for
Speaker 6: what is what is going on with these things. But
Speaker 6: and I don't think it's a society that makes the
Speaker 6: decisions and everything, but it is. The reason we see
Speaker 6: these these families involved is because it is these families
Speaker 6: in these this overarching the family kind of dispute, if
Speaker 6: you will. But you know, they may not always be
Speaker 6: making the decisions, but it's always people within these families
Speaker 6: and members of the society that tend to get involved
Speaker 6: in these things, especially when you're talking to American conspiracies
Speaker 6: in the American president because not every American president is
Speaker 6: a Freemason, but every American president is a member of
Speaker 6: the Society of Cincinnati with the with the asterisks that
Speaker 6: I've received emails saying Clinton and Obama or not have
Speaker 6: not been invited. But look, I don't affirm these people
Speaker 6: are members that are sending me these emails. I cannot
Speaker 6: confirm these these assertions that they're making about these these things.
Speaker 6: But with the exception of those two, every other US
Speaker 6: residence has been a member of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Something else with that.
Speaker 4: Oh you know what, real quick before people saw dropping
Speaker 4: off because we're wrapping up, I'm not gonna forgeret about yah, Heidi,
Speaker 4: but real quick, I do want to mention Monday night.
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna go live for this one.
Speaker 3: We are going to have on.
Speaker 4: I think everybody here pretty much. I think Lisa, Lisa
Speaker 4: can make it. She's been invited. We have an we
Speaker 4: have an Anne Rice Vampire Cult X. An Rice Vampire
Speaker 4: Cult member coming on. Sounds very just in case. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 4: and and Rice was an interview with the vampire. So
Speaker 4: we're gonna, you know, somebody who was in an Ann
Speaker 4: Rice Vampire Cults will be coming on and telling her story.
Speaker 4: So if you want to check out that wild and
Speaker 4: interesting live, I think Monday night all right, and then Heidi,
Speaker 4: please let everybody know awesome. I do want to say
Speaker 4: one last thing I forgot.
Speaker 2: I do want to just tell everybody go look at
Speaker 2: the poem called the Golden Fleet by Jackie Kennedy. She
Speaker 2: talks about JFK and the Golden Fleece and him chasing
Speaker 2: the Golden Fleece.
Speaker 1: It's very occultic.
Speaker 2: So yes, Lisa immediately knew I love it, yep, And
Speaker 2: so I think she knew what he was up to,
Speaker 2: and I think she, you know, possibly could have been
Speaker 2: irritated with I don't know, I don't know, but for.
Speaker 1: Her to write it down, we know it's very occultic
Speaker 1: in nature.
Speaker 2: So check that out, you guys. Check out everybody's work
Speaker 2: on here. Everybody's great. Everybody that works with Nick is
Speaker 2: super amazing with their research, and I just really love
Speaker 2: being on here.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I will see you guys Monday.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for coming and joining and for the
Speaker 1: awesome talk. Love it.
Speaker 3: Hellyeah, thank you very much, thank you for sure.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: And that is the end of another recall rejection and
Speaker 4: thank you to everybody in the chat.
Speaker 3: That is what's up. I had a blast today and
Speaker 3: until the next one, everybody be well later.