WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:02.480 We launching at the five o'clock hour of the program 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:04.679 coming up in just a little bit, we'll say goonight 3 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:07.919 at six. Don't forget Big twelve Media Days coming up 4 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.919 tomorrow and Wednesday, about six to seven hours of live 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:14.919 coverage with myself and Sean O'Connell live in Frisco, Texas. 6 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:18.519 Kind of the unofficial start of the college football calendar. 7 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:20.960 But we'll do some more NBA, some Summer League. The 8 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.480 Jazz make a trade forty years with the Jazz Front Office, 9 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:28.199 Radio Celebrity now Celebrity and Sugarhouse for the July fourth parade. 10 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:29.920 Richard Smith's made Happy Monday. 11 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:30.960 How are you hence? 12 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:34.119 We're doing great? You know, I just I'm putting on 13 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.640 these headphones. I go, these don't feel right whatever here 14 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.039 in the studio. When I'm missing around with them for 15 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:42.399 a few seconds, I realize we have new equipment. We're 16 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.240 using new equipment here at ESPN Studios, and so I 17 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:49.880 don't know if that's correlated with the new NBA league 18 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:53.920 year that started yesterday, that we're using new equipment here 19 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.560 in the studio, but this is this is fascinating, Okay, 20 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:01.640 that you guys are breaking down shelling out another twelve 21 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:03.079 bucks for a new pair of headphone. 22 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.959 Shell out twelve bucks. And this is not correlated with 23 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.480 the new NBA league calendars. 24 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:13.000 And spending limit you have now our spending limit was 25 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:16.200 was hit the day we cracked this this microphone. Uh 26 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.640 did you were you stopped at all over the weekend 27 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.719 and asked for an autograph as a result of your 28 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:22.200 your birth radio care. 29 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:24.400 No, you know, you know who I had to take 30 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.640 heat from of all people is their guy Dave five. 31 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.319 Don't ever take any heat for who. 32 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.159 I ran into at the at the beautiful North Salt 33 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.239 Lake July fourth celebration that was on Thursday night where 34 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:40.959 they have big band and my my buddy tom Hewitson 35 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.400 and his band where they're playing and then they had 36 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:45.640 the fireworks show and all this. But I had to 37 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.280 sit there for five minutes and and uh and saying 38 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:52.560 hello to to Dave and listen to him rake on 39 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.120 me about you know, oh, mister celebrity, now, mister TV, 40 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:58.959 mister radio, you know, you know, you know you're getting 41 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.560 a little over over exposed here in the Salt Lake 42 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:03.840 market where we're getting a little tired of you. And 43 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.200 I said, hey, you know what that's what my wife said. 44 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:06.799 All the time. 45 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:10.159 So there's no such thing as no such thing as 46 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:11.000 too much Smitty. 47 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:12.759 All right, a lot to do. 48 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.840 Let's do a little summer league here, Smitty, And you 49 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:19.000 know every year I kind of share this anecdote nineteen 50 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:23.879 ninety seven pr intern working for Dave all Red Kim Turner, 51 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.759 shout out to those guys worked for the Jazz Forever. 52 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.840 Summer League nineteen ninety seven featured well, a lot of players, 53 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.840 but for the sake of this anecdote, two centers they 54 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.039 were drafted that year. One was named Greg oaster Tag 55 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.960 who played for the Utah Jazz. The other was a 56 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.639 guy named Tim Duncan who played for the San Antonio Spurs. 57 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:45.680 And Smitty. 58 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.400 They went head to head and Tag battled them and 59 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.960 some games got the best of them. And all due 60 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.039 respect to Greg, those two careers worked out a little 61 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:56.400 bit differently. I wanted you to give us a little 62 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:01.719 like Smitty experience anecdotal, because you know, fans Acet goes 63 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:03.479 three to thirteen, so he's never gonna be good. 64 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.639 Vj Edge comes an next Michael Jordan, So. 65 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.360 Tell us about summer league your experience, and then help 66 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.000 us understand when we're watching this, what to actually look for. 67 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.599 Well, you know, Spence, you're talking to a guy who, 68 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:23.039 just by circumstances was I was there when the current 69 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.800 iteration of the Salt Lake City Summer League started way 70 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:32.879 back in nineteen eighty two, and at that time the 71 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:38.680 Jazz called it the Utah Pro Am Summer League, and 72 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:43.080 it was a mixture of pro players both the NBA 73 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:48.240 and some overseas players, and also amateurs, guys who maybe 74 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:50.919 played in college and weren't quite good enough at the 75 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.319 pro level but could still really compete. In the first 76 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:56.960 couple of years, the pro am teams were made up 77 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.639 of players from the local college teams. They each had 78 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:03.680 their own team. So the u of U had a 79 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:07.919 team that was led by Pace Manion and Danny Vrains 80 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:10.879 and Tom Chambers and b y U had a team 81 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:13.879 that was led by Fred Roberts and and I can't 82 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.959 remember if Danny if Danny Ainge played in it or not, 83 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:23.360 Greg Kite, you know, Devin Durant. Uh. The Jazz had 84 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:25.759 their team and the primary purpose of the of the 85 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.920 league as it still is today was to get the 86 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.439 the Jazz young guys. Uh and the first or second 87 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.720 year of players extra playing time during the summer in 88 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:40.720 in live scrimmages and in competition. Utah State, Weaver State 89 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:45.519 had a combined team of players with UH. Bruce Collins 90 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:51.360 and I'm forgetting his name down. Number five was the 91 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:57.240 UH anyway from Utah State. Those guys, those guys UH 92 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.560 put together a really good team. And so there was 93 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:03.199 a collect of these college teams along with the jazz team, 94 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:08.079 and that was the setup of the of the Summer 95 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.920 League for the first several years. Over at Westminster College, 96 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:15.920 we played for three weeks in August and the in 97 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.120 the the old gymn Paine Gymnasium on the campus of 98 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:22.680 Westminster College UH. And the Page Gymnasium still to this 99 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.319 day has no air conditioning. It still doesn't know, so 100 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.399 you had to remember, well, I'm gonna say that, I'm 101 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.800 not sure if i haven't been there in a few years, 102 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.600 but but for the longest time didn't have air conditioning. 103 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.480 So you were sitting there, whether you were playing in 104 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:39.720 it or you're sitting there as a fan watching, and 105 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:44.319 you're watching these games and it was stifling hot and 106 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.519 humid in the gym, and you know, you can't open 107 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.480 any doors or windows and nothing to open whatever, and 108 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:55.160 so it was it was a heat box and and 109 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.399 and it went on for but we had it initially 110 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.639 it went on for three weeks, if you can imagine. 111 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.399 And and that that then, you know, morphed into going 112 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.680 to games over East High School for several years. And 113 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.600 the famous summer where we had the big the big 114 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.800 cloud burst one night and the rains came off of 115 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:17.199 thirteenth East down the stairs at East High right onto 116 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:19.920 the gym floor and it looked like the blob in 117 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.240 that movie. And it was coming right down and it 118 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.759 was crawling right onto the floor, and you know, and 119 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.920 it was also that was also the the the year 120 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:33.839 that that we had Corey Crowder playing for the Jazz 121 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.040 and went off like thirty eight in a summer league 122 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:41.360 game and then got got taken a side by the 123 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:45.720 GM of a team in Greece who was at the 124 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:50.560 game scouting and talked Corey Crowder into signing on the 125 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.120 spot right there with the team, yeah, in the hallway, 126 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.079 and and Corey, hey, these guys are offering me whatever 127 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:59.040 they were offering, I can't remember a time, and I 128 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.560 remember Scott Layden's and hey, I think I think you 129 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.079 better do that, you know, and to go okay, thank 130 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:07.680 you very much, and Corey Carter signs, you know, agrees 131 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:10.279 in the hallway with the team and and went over 132 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.439 and had a nice career over in Europe and and 133 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.000 uh and uh. Then it morphed into going to the 134 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:16.879 Delta Center for a little bit and then out to 135 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:23.000 Solid Community College for for many years, and which I personally, 136 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.800 to me, I still think was the best Summer League venue, uh, 137 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.040 that we've had over the years. I just think that, 138 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.040 you know, when you have four thousand people and they 139 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.399 cram into a gym like that and they're standing on 140 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:38.600 the sidelines, and and there's plenty of easy parking and 141 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:41.480 it's easy to get to off of two fifteen and 142 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.199 and uh and Redwood Road, I think that's a great 143 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.079 venue to have it. But now we were we find 144 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.360 ourselves this this year up at the Huntsman Center because 145 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.519 of the renovations going on to the Delta Center. But a 146 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.279 lot of history there for the Jazz Summer League and 147 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.839 a lot of iterations of it and and a lot 148 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:02.480 of of a lot of changes over the years and 149 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.720 and how it's operated as well. 150 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.360 So when it comes to jazz fans, sitting down and 151 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:13.000 watching a game. It's just it's I pulled up the 152 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.279 list of the all time leading scorers in Vegas Summer 153 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:22.040 League history Archie Goodwin, Kobe Carl Vander Blue, Rashad Vaughan, 154 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:28.639 Glenn Rice Junior, Bobby Brown, Andre Blasch, and look, I 155 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:30.680 could keep going. I mean, for two years, I was 156 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.159 a valet at Westchester Summer League, where the Knicks used 157 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:35.519 to have way back in the day. 158 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:36.600 They don't do it anymore. 159 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.600 Greg Anthony's first Summer League game he had like forty 160 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.360 and twenty you know, so and Greg got a good 161 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.000 and be a career like probably not the best example 162 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:49.919 in the world, but you know, these are inexperienced officials, 163 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.480 these are young coaches, and these are children when it 164 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:57.799 comes to players actually playing. So for fans looking for 165 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.320 pieces of good news or things that are act actually 166 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.720 real when they're watching the Jazz on Saturday, then they're 167 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.000 gonna watch them tonight, like help us understand what's actually translatable? 168 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:12.440 Well, it's it's it's very difficult to really look at 169 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:16.399 any of it with any hardcore feeling for what it's 170 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:17.960 gonna partend down the road. 171 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:19.720 The uh, but you're exactly right. 172 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:24.039 The whole purpose of the Summer Leagues is for everybody 173 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:27.799 who's involved. Everybody you see on the front lines are 174 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.279 all people who are trying to quote, make their way 175 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.399 through the league in some regard, whether it's as a player, 176 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:38.639 whether it's as a coach, as a as an athletic trainer, 177 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:44.039 as a referee, as a game official working the UH, 178 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:49.720 the scorers table, whatever. Everybody involved is UH is trying 179 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.039 to get better what they do or trying to prove 180 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.159 they they belong, you know, in there that little niche 181 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.080 that they're that they're involved with. You know, for the teams, 182 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.679 they really have three main goals and being involved in 183 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:04.840 the Summer League program. The first is to get their 184 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:10.200 player just to get him acclimated to the whole process 185 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:14.600 of what the organization is about. So for the Jazz players, 186 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.200 they're just trying to get them to understand what living 187 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.200 in Salt Lake is about. How to get around town, 188 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:25.360 how to maneuver, how to set up a bank account, 189 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.200 how to find an apartment or or where you're going 190 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.120 to live for the next year. You know, all those 191 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.399 kinds of things that just get them acclimated to the 192 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:38.840 process of being a member of the Utah Jazz Organization UH. 193 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.799 The second the second goal. The second level is for 194 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:47.159 the players UH to get used to the coaches and 195 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.799 the people around them, to support staff, whether it's the 196 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.159 way the strength training staff UH, the equipment staff, the 197 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:59.799 the UH, the massage therapist, the doctors, the training, everybody 198 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.600 involved in the process. To get them familiar with them, 199 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.159 to understand what the process is of being a professional, 200 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.559 how the Jazz go about their business on a day 201 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.159 to day basis. That's really the second level of what 202 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.799 they're trying to learn in the summer instead of trying 203 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:19.480 to learn it on the fly when the season starts 204 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.120 in the middle of October. This is a good chance 205 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:25.720 without any pressure and without anything that's really meaningful in 206 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:29.519 terms of games involved. It's their chance to find out 207 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:33.120 how that ebb and flow goes, who those people are, 208 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:36.440 and what I'm supposed to be doing with each of them, 209 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.879 so I can figure out how this job actually is 210 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.279 supposed to work. And then the third level is really 211 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:48.120 getting familiar with the coaches and you know, the general 212 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:51.879 level of the type of play they want they're gonna 213 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.759 expect of them when the regular season comes. In terms 214 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.000 of the offense that just the general basics of it, 215 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.480 or our defensive philosophy, those things, so they have a 216 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:06.480 feel for what those are, what the terminology is, what 217 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.399 we call this play. Some other team calls it different, 218 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.480 different nomenclature. We call it this Just to get used 219 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.960 to that stuff, so when you come in in the 220 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.919 fall and you get ready for training camp in late September, 221 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:23.480 you're not blindsided by all these things that are new. 222 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.919 They're all things that you've been exposed to already the 223 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.840 previous three months. You've been around it, You've gotten used 224 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.399 to it. It's kind of starting to feel like home 225 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.600 a little bit, and now you can enter training camp 226 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:38.720 with your feet under you a little bit and with 227 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.399 a little bit of confidence about Okay, now I know 228 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.200 a little bit of what's expected of me, and now 229 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.360 we're getting ready to really get to work here in 230 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:46.799 the fall. 231 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.519 So let's talk about a couple of dynamics here. 232 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:53.279 And the juxtaposition I find interesting is what to expect 233 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.559 from rookies, and certainly what to expect from an eighteen 234 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:01.080 year old rookie in Ace Bailey. I pulled up the 235 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.480 list earlier today of eighteen year olds to play in 236 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.159 the NBA, and even the eighteen year olds that went 237 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:10.440 on to play really well typically struggle in the NBA 238 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:11.240 when they're that age. 239 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:11.879 There are exceptions. 240 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.679 Lebron was a twenty point guy, Dwight Howard had a 241 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.039 good rookie year, but Cobe struggled. 242 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:18.720 And I've got the list. 243 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.240 We can go over all the names, right, So when 244 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.440 it comes to what to expect from Ace who's eighteen 245 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:25.200 years old in a rookie I want you to kind 246 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.720 of walk us through what to expect from a player 247 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.759 that young, even at the summer league level. And then, certainly, 248 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.480 if you're a fan of a team, what has to happen. 249 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.440 Are the softs and above really have to dominate the 250 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:39.000 whole thing, and if they don't, that's a bad, really 251 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.559 bad sign. If you've had a year of NBA basketball 252 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:43.879 under your belt and then suddenly you're in the summer 253 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.080 league and you can't get anything done, it's like, okay. 254 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.519 So there's a lot of pressure on Bryce and Cody 255 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:51.639 and Kyle and Isaiah guys that we've seen, and then 256 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.799 there's the Ace factor too, So compartmentalize that a little bit. 257 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.200 What do you expect from an eighteen rookie in summer league, 258 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.879 and what do you hope to see from I'll call 259 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:00.320 the veteran players, Well. 260 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.240 The new guys are really you're just looking to see 261 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.399 what their level of engagement is. In other words, do 262 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:10.399 they understand the basic concepts of what we're trying to 263 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:14.639 get done during a particular game. Do they understand the 264 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:17.399 flow of the offense? Are they are they in the 265 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:21.240 right spots? Are they communicating well with their teammates? Are 266 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:25.200 they learning from their teammates during dead ball situations? Are 267 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.320 they engaged with either the coaches on the sidelines or 268 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.600 their teammates on the floor about what's what's going to 269 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:36.440 happen next? Are they do they appear to be to 270 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:41.360 have a positive vibe about them in terms of approaching 271 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.960 what they're trying to do on the floor. You're not 272 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:47.039 worried about what shots they're making. You might be worried 273 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.960 a little bit about what shots they're taking during the 274 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:54.039 course of a summer league action, because that cantle tell 275 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.519 you a little bit about where their mindset is. But 276 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:02.720 you're just concerned about how the assimilating themselves into the 277 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:07.360 overall team dynamic and and how that how that's coming 278 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.600 together for them with the second and third year guys, 279 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.120 you're looking for them to be kind of the leaders 280 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.879 on the floor, to understand what's going on, to be 281 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.240 able to lead by example on the floor, and to 282 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.159 be able to show that they they belong, you know 283 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:26.799 there with that team and they belong you know, uh 284 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:31.000 in greater terms that you get into the uh into 285 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.720 the fall and the regular regular camp uh A situation. 286 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:39.080 But the those guys, you know, Philipowski the other night 287 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.159 played well you knew he just you know, knew where 288 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:43.919 he was supposed to be and when he was supposed 289 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:47.559 to be there and how he was supposed to play. 290 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.679 You know, the. 291 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:52.519 Guys like that, really you really kind of get a 292 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:55.480 feel for what their level of understanding from what they've 293 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.480 already been through, and then how can they bring that 294 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:03.440 to the floor but also help the new rookies to 295 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.080 assimilate into what's going on during the course of the game. 296 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.799 So let's go over a couple of names here, and 297 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.720 just you already talked about Philipowski, so we'll leave him aside. 298 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:15.679 He had seventeen in the second half, looked like the 299 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.240 grown up you know in the room twenty two to six, 300 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.440 twenty two and six. He was eight of eleven, hit 301 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:25.639 a couple of threes. Isaiah, Isaiah, call your look, it's 302 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:27.759 just the same deal with him. There are moments of 303 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:31.600 he had a great pass to Philipowski, a great bounce 304 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.559 pass that led him to a doll. It was an 305 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.480 amazing pass, I mean, and there are glimpses where like, 306 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.480 oh man, he's really he's got some vision. He can 307 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.080 see the floor. He just can't shoot it. He didn't 308 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.000 shoot it well the other night. So let's start with Isaiah. 309 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:45.600 You know what you saw the other night and what 310 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.039 you would say to Jazz fans that they should hope 311 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:50.000 to see during the rest of the summer league experience. 312 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.519 Well, again, you know, you're hoping he has a little 313 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.279 more of a controlled floor game. You know he sees 314 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.080 the floor. Well, you know he can get the ball 315 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.759 to certain places. I'll be honest with you. That pass 316 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:03.799 he made the other day was was a three quarter 317 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.799 court bounce pass through traffic. You know, a terrific play. 318 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.319 I'm excited to see that play. If Magic Johnson is 319 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:16.440 making it or Jason Kidd is making it, if Isaiah 320 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:19.720 Collier is throwing it, I'm not as excited because I 321 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.000 don't know if it's gonna if it's gonna get to 322 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.799 the end result which you did in that play, Okay, 323 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.480 he gets credit for that, or if it's gonna bounce 324 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.839 off somebody's knee and go up into the fifth row 325 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.799 or something. So you want to see him a little 326 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.119 bit more of a control floor game. And then, of course, 327 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.119 as we've been talking about since day one last year, 328 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.640 you know, he has to show some level of improvement 329 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:49.039 in his shooting ability because if that does not start 330 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.799 coming along at some point, you know, teams are gonna 331 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.480 that's the first thing on the scouting report, and teams 332 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.440 are gonna be laying off, and teams are gonna be 333 00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:59.599 crowding the lane, and teams are gonna be you know, 334 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.000 sagging off on to wing guys and he's going to 335 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:04.279 be on his own on an island to figure out 336 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.200 how to start making shots. And it's still he does that, 337 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.519 that's going to be you know, really the big stumbling 338 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.279 block for him in terms of showing the kind of 339 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.119 progress that I think the Jazz want to see from him. 340 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:20.160 Bryce sense about looks like he's in better shape, So 341 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:22.599 that's good. Yeah, obviously that was the deal coming out 342 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:28.039 of Ohio State and Will Hardy himself during his postseason 343 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.960 media just a few months back. Now mentioned not just 344 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.599 with Bryce, but but Keyante and Isaiah, they all need 345 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:35.960 to be in better shape. They need to be in 346 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.319 better condition. He looks like he is seven to thirteen, 347 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.160 five of eight from three to nineteen points, seven boards, 348 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:44.720 So a good night for him, did have five turnovers. 349 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:45.799 But what do you see from Bryce sents? 350 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:50.359 Well, yeah, and to that point, Spence, Jerry Sloan always 351 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.920 used to preach to the players that being in shape 352 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:59.079 is an actual skill that some players possess and some 353 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.880 players don't. And he always to tell guys that you 354 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.039 have to be in the optimum shape you can be. 355 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:07.200 And because as. 356 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.400 Long as you're not in shape, while you're on the 357 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:14.799 floor playing, your mind is always drifting somewhere else other 358 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:18.079 than the basketball play in front of you. In other words, 359 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.319 you're thinking about, Oh, I'm really winded, I got to 360 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:24.759 really catch my breath here, or I'm really tired. I 361 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:27.400 don't know if I can backpedal and get back on 362 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.079 defense right now. And so your mind us in thinking 363 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.200 about the basketball play. Your mind is thinking about what 364 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.000 your body is doing. And so that takes you out 365 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.480 of being an effective player. Once you get yourself in shape, 366 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.880 and once you're not thinking about those things, then the 367 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:46.240 basketball part comes into play and it makes it easier 368 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:50.160 for you as a player to perform. That's what those 369 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.799 guys really have to be about. They all have to 370 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.839 be in great shape. It sounds like it's a redundant 371 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:01.440 or it's a second grade thing that your professional athlete. Hey, look, 372 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:03.680 you need to be in better shape. Like it seems 373 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:06.920 like you shouldn't have to say that. Unfortunately, you have 374 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.200 to say it to a lot of guys because a 375 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.799 lot of guys as they climb up this ladder and 376 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.400 get to this pinnacle, which is the top professional basketball 377 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.359 league in the world, the players just keep getting better. 378 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.680 The talent just keeps increasing. Your competition is getting better. 379 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.000 And if you don't recognize that and you don't take 380 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.079 that to heart in terms of what you do every 381 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:33.039 day to get yourself in the best shape possible, then 382 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.119 you're doing yourself a disservice and you're gonna leave yourself 383 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.839 short in terms of being a competitive player who can 384 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.279 help a team. Jerry Sionan always used to tell guys, 385 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.039 the stuff you do outside of the game, getting in shape, 386 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.880 working on your game, doing all the things that prepare 387 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:53.359 you to play in the game. That's what you get 388 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.799 paid for. That's what the job is. When you get 389 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.599 up there on Friday night at seven o'clock and we 390 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:02.279 tip the ball off. You may not get in the game, 391 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:04.759 you may be on the end of the bench, and 392 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.559 you may not even play, but you're still gonna get 393 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.480 paid right on the first and the fifteenth. So the 394 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:15.640 job is really getting in shape, being prepared, getting ready 395 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:18.920 to be able to play. And if you take care 396 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.079 of those things and do it the way you're supposed 397 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:25.480 to be prepared, then when your name gets called during 398 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.400 the game, then you'll be able to go in and 399 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:30.200 contribute to the best of your ability. 400 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.680 We'll save your thoughts on both East Bailey and Walt 401 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:36.039