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or any of the companies they represent. Now today on
the show, we welcome back explorer and Ancient Mysteries expert
Matt Lacroix. And Matt has been up to a lot
of things since last time he was on the show.
He's found some new discoveries about atlantis, our origins, and
the warnings for humanity that he has discovered in his travels.
Let's dive in. I'd like to welcome back to the
show returning champion Matt Lacroix.
Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, Hey, Alex has strike you back. This is
our third show. I think right over the list of
ears or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, this is our third show. Brother, this is
I always love talking to you, man. You always have
some new cool stuff to talk about. You are now
an international man of mystery. You're part Indiana Jones, part
James Bond, running around the world filming for your new
documentary and hopefully a documentary series afterwards. There's a lot
of cool stuff that you got going on, and you've
made a lot of cool discoveries, so we're going to
just kind of jump into it. Man, you told me
a little bit that that you've had some new discoveries
in regards to Atlantis and a new angle on Atlantis.
Can you kind of talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there's some new research that I've been doing
that's really exciting, and it revolves into an angle of
Atlantis that is very new. It's very new, but it's
new and it's important because it changes this whole dialogue.
So let me just a lay please, that narrative down
and so people understand, because people always love talking about
Atlantis and love all of this. So the problem here
is that we have these two worlds that exist. The
first world is the scholar world, in the academic world,
in which they look at all of the stories of
Atlantis based purely around Plato and around the stories of
Solon and Socrates, and that for them, they look at
it and they say, well, look, there's no there's no
definitive information relating to specifics in Egypt. Of those events
other than maybe it's loosely based on Solon's visit to Egypt,
which they admit, right, So typically, as far as scholars
are willing to admit, is that Solon did go to Egypt,
you know, somewhere around two thousand years ago, and he
did meet up with these different these different places and
got information. But they don't want to go any further
than the rest of it is based on that idea
of going to Egypt, and then the rest is an allegory.
So that's where that's one camp that unfortunately, that's where
we live in that world, is that Plato made up
the entire store of Atlantis based on allegorical Greek stories
and that they was Egypt part was just sort of
like a fun addition to create the story in the atmosphere. Well,
then you have the entire other camp and world of
people that study Plato's work, you know, to Maaeis and
Critias and others, and they say Atlantis is completely real
and it's all based on truth and blah blah blah,
and those worlds are really divided. They're really divided by
not a lot that tethers them together. Now that's where
I think is so exciting about Plutarch. And now, of
course there's also Diodorus for people who don't know, that's
another really good source for discussing Atlantis as well. But
the part in particular that's the most important, and these
are Greek philosophers and historians, but the part that's the
most important is regarding Blutar. Now, if anybody wants to
go down a really cool rabbit hole, this is I
think very new and something that needs to be flushed
out and maybe talked about a lot by a lot
more people. Like for instance, I would love to get
Randall Carlson in this discussion because he's the one of
the like the premiere Atlantean Platonian expert like on Plato's
work and everything, right, So I'm actually surprised that Randall
hasn't talked about this more, but I want to. I
would love to get a dialogue going with him and
ask him his opinions, because here's the problem. Plato's work
goes into Atlantis in great detail, but it doesn't go
into a lot of details about the Egyptian visit, and
that's why a lot of academics don't jump on it
as being a literal truth because it's so vague. It's like, oh,
he met up with a some some priest in Egypt
and then told him this huge story and like, okay,
that doesn't no, no, no, let's but let's dial it in
for a minute. Imagine the entire basis of the Atlantean
story for scholars being based on that idea that it's
an allegory by Plato. But what if you bring some
meat and some evidence to the story to maybe shift
the entire narrative to not whether or not it actually
existed that story and those events, but how much of
it was real. And that's the part that blurs the
lines and gets really interesting because I basically, let me
give you some background, is that what Plutarch brings that
Plato doesn't in several bodies of his work. So he's
got a body called the Life of Solon, and then
he's got another body that talks about ancient Egypt and
a whole set of chapters of it. So, for those
who don't know, Plutarch is very interesting figure in history.
So he is an historian and a philosopher from Greece.
But his story seems to have almost vanished and disappeared
amongst obscurity and amongst things that a lot of people
are not really considering is real. And it's very strange
to me because Plutarch may very well have been the
last Westerner or least person of highly educated historian and
philosopher to ever visit Egypt before it was essentially destroyed
by groups like the Romans and others, and a lot
of those temples were taken apart and dismantled and lost.
And so Plutarch comes hundreds of years after Solon. So
sol came and visited in the whole story that we
know of in the Tumaeis and Critias. So Plutarch comes
hundreds of years later, and he comes and visits Atlantis
around like one nine hundred and forty years ago or
so okay, so still a long time ago, and it's
right before the Romans and others were starting to invade Egypt,
and so he came in and he visits all kinds
of ancient temples locations throughout Egypt. He is like an
adventure and explorer, and he actually has this really rare
view and information regarding the very end of the dynasties
of the Egyptians. So what he says is fascinating. I
actually have quote too that I will I will also read,
because I actually just came across some of this information
recently during some of my studies. But basically what he
provides in his books like the Life of Solon is
he talks about how the story of Solon but from
a whole different angle from actually meeting very specific temple priests,
and so instead of being an allegorical, mysterious story that
then wasn't real, from that point on, when we go
to Plutarch, we find all kinds of details that we
didn't have before. And he meets with two elder priests,
and they're described as being the last line of ancient
priests that knew very detailed knowledge of ancient loss, civilization, knowledge,
timelines and information from so long before that it actually
wasn't really known by that many people any longer. And
there was a great meeting held in says at a
temple called the Temple of Neith. Now Neith is the
Egyptian version of what we think of as Athena in
ancient Greece. And in this temple there was a great
meeting by Solon, and this is where for those are No,
I'm not talking about Plutarch actually meeting them. I'm talking
about him going there later and then finding out other
aspects of the story. So that's what ended up happening,
is that he goes and meets with the same the
same temple and assumingly like the whole line that's still
knew all of that knowledge and information before it was destroyed,
and he ended up finding out details that essentially Plato
didn't have or didn't put in his stories. Maybe right
if you give an example the iron in which Plato
lived during that time, his mentor or his great father
and mentor taught him the whole story. His name was Socrates.
For many who don't know, he was killed by the
state and poisoned and murdered.
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Speaker 2: And so that really scared Plato, and he didn't I
think he was very careful in what he included. So
I don't know if that's the reason he didn't or
he just didn't know it. And it was information that
was part of other line lineages like Crittius the Elder
and other groups that came before. But what's amazing is
that Plutarch gives us the names, the actual names of
the two temple priests that Solon meets up with. Okay,
and this is not really talked about because again, now
you're getting into fact, and now you're getting into a
real world. And I think it's very scary for academics
and scholars to go in even and even entertain this
idea that these things are true, because it then blurs
that line where you say, well, if these temple priests
are real, then if the story they're telling is real,
then how much of that is the whole thing real?
And so for people who don't know, he meets up
with a temple priest from says who's from that temple?
His name is Sanchius, So it's s Nchis if anybody
is curious to look into that figure. Now, the other
one that's never talked about and I've never actually even
heard and mentioned before is very bizarre. The other figure
that he runs into is known as Synophis of Heliopolis.
So Heliopolis is an ancient Egyptian city that's down down
to the south, and they're on the delta of seas,
and they meets with both of these temple priests. Well,
he then goes on and I'll pull it up because
it's it's absolutely fascinating. He then goes on to write
down one of the descriptions that's left in the Temple
of Neath, and at says and he records it and
I don't know if this has ever been said before
on a podcast, but I want to bring back something
ancient that I think has somewhat been forgotten and lost
that needs to be mentioned again. And it's a quote
that comes from the Temple of Neath, and it's very beautiful. Again, Remember,
the Temple of is considered a fake, not a real place.
Scholars don't even think that that was a real temple
and a real set of events. So now we're going
and crossing those lines. And it says in the temple,
inscribed in the walls, it says, I am all that
has been, is and shall be. No mortal has lifted
my veil, And that's from It's beautiful, but that's what's
from inside that temple that's not supposed to be a
real temple, and that now we're so we're getting into
literalism and a real place where real events transpired. And
Plutarch goes on to provide all kinds of details of
ancient Egypt during that time period, during that time period
of what they were doing, and it's described as the
Temple of Sas has the entire story of Atlantis and
ancient Greece inside it, and that they read and that's
where the whole story comes from. But essentially what we're doing, Alex,
is that when we combine Plato with Plutarch and Diodorus,
it gives us a potential timeline, in an entirely new
view and understanding into that time period in history and
the entire story of Atlantis.
Speaker 1: So it didn't change the story of Atlantis. It just
it added more credibility and more direct lines or proof
that this is an actual, real story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it proves that the story of how the story
that was conveyed to them through the means of the
temple and the people that were involved. Like once you
have real people mentioned, and then all of a sudden
becomes real because now it's not just oh, we met
with some hypothetical temple priests like somewhere in a temple.
Now we actually know their names, we know where they
were from, we know the places he visited, We know
the walls and that he saw and ascribed them, and
then we know all the details about about what Solon
was told by those priests about you know you, Solon,
he says, and I'm paraphrasing, remember one disaster, one flood,
but there have been many, mostly of water and fire,
and talks about the cyclical nature of destruction throughout our
history and how civilizations rise and fall. That's what the
temple priests are protecting, and that in that temple, that's
what their whole, their whole, their whole point of being is.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the Book The Dweller of Two Planets?
Speaker 2: No? Not yet.
Speaker 1: The Book of the Dweller of Two Planets is a
channeled work from the late eighteen hundreds of some kid
in the middle of the country, you know, second grade
education work the fields, all of a sudden starts writing
a massive channeled book about things that he would never
ever be exposed to and talking about Atlantis through Felos
the Tibetan And it's actually really fascinating how it connects
to what we're talking about, because he's giving details in
this channeled work about things that he just would have
never had access to. There was no internet, there was
no TV, there was nothing, and an uneducated boy started
to just write. And this book is a fairly large,
very dense book. You'd enjoy, You enjoy man, you love
dense books. But that's a book. If you haven't read it,
it's something that you should probably look into. It's called
The Dweller of Two Planets because it does reinforce a
lot of Plato's story but gives tremendous amount of details
of the fall of of like the the years of
the fall of Atlantis. What is your you know, what
is your vibe about Atlantis in your personal opinion? Do
you know what do you think actually happened there? You know,
from your own studies, from your own thing. I mean,
because it's such a fantastical idea that there was an
advanced civilization before us, and I believe it. It makes
makes all the sense in the world to me, that
were cyclical and all that stuff. But what's your vibe
on it?
Speaker 2: So that's actually the entire I wouldn't say purpose, but
the overall goal of what we did with the filming
of the documentary and then investigating all these places around
the world and following the same symbols, the same stonework,
the same things that are connecting. That was the crusade
that you know, I'm on still and we that we
have done a lot of what we wanted to accomplish.
But in that search, what was unequivocal, what we saw
that was undeniable was that there was a global connection.
And I think that's the most important thing to get
across here is that, you know, we saw the same symbols,
same knowledge, and in Turkey and Von Turkey in Stone
and then the same stone works, same symbols in Peru,
and then in Bolivia, Bolivia, and then in Cambodia, and
then it goes on and on, and it's it's and
I also there's other symbols and other connections from places
like for instance, quebecle Tepping we could talk about on
one of the pillars that never gets discussed, that also
has connections to Egypt and then connections back to Bolivia.
And so what we're seeing is this mix and crossing
of this civilization that seems to have reached incredible heights.
And I mean everyone's asking, like looking for Atlantis, Atlantis,
where is it? Well, it may be right in front
of our eyes. And maybe the remnants of whatever could
survive of some global civilization, and that may have been
what was described by them in that not necessarily referring
to the specific city that Plato was talking about with
circular rings maybe up in the Azores. What we're talking
about is a civilization and a city, So it's it's
describing locations of subcontinents that were maybe like the heart
of something, but the actual place itself may have represented
more of a global type of look. And that that's
really a very serious area that we're considering and looking into,
is whether or not this global civilization that we're seeing
emerge out of these disasters, and a new timeline that
I'm helping for it. It's like a fifty thousand year timeline,
but that what we're looking at is whether or not
that emergence of that around the world is atlantis. And
that's the that's the hardest thing to wrap our heads around,
because the timeline that I'm putting forth would give plenty
of time for something like that to develop, and that's important.
Speaker 1: What's your timeline? What's the time?
Speaker 2: Well, my timeline is a very detailed timeline, incorporating everything
from starlinements in ancient Egypt and alignments of the sphinx
all the way through processional understandings. Two in utilizing geodesy,
which is basically the alignments of where things were with
cardinal points, but also more importantly using events like ancient
writings talking about catastrophes lining them up with ice cores
from either Greenland or Antarctica, but also known geomatic magnetic
excursion events like the atoms event from forty one thousand
years ago because of really cool data from volcanoes and
hoary trees out of New Zealand that fell and were
basically preserved. We're getting a snapshot now at a world
in which there are these cyclical events or disasters that
seem to occur. Now, the question is how often are
those Is that is that cycle? How often do they
do they come? Is it based on just the ice
age cycles like we see, which seems to be like
every one hundred thousand years or something, or are there
cycles within cycles so that you start to blow your mind.
You're like, Okay, so there's like this big cycle for
ice age, but ice ages, but then there's also cycles
for like corona mass ejections from the sun, so sun
cycles and all these things, and that's where I've been
putting together this complex timeline that's incorporating all of this,
that includes what I think is the emergence of what
we think of as Atlantis.
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Speaker 2: And it basically follows the story of us US having
an entire chapter or chapters in which they were resets
and they were wiped out.
Speaker 1: So when did you in your timeline, when do you
think Atlantis started to come up as a as a civilization.
Speaker 2: I like some of the information garnered from Edgar Casey
and you brought you brought up channeling. I think Edgar
Casey is the father of all of that. I think
everybody would agree. I think there's some really good information
glean from that, And whether or not it doesn't exactly fit,
it's pretty close. So it's pretty close to what I'm
looking at, and that variability is relatively minor because I'm
looking at the emergence of Atlantis as something something around,
you know, beyond twenty thousand years ago. Now, if I
was to put some kind of a date on that,
to more more appropriately label that, I would say Atlantis
you know, we know is destroyed when right, because that
with data is very firmly established from from Egypt and
sol On in Plato that Atlantis was destroyed eleven thousand,
six hundred years ago. But when did it emerge?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question. And I believe that it emerged,
you know, somewhere around between forty and twenty thousand years
ago is where I'm is, is where I'm looking at
with my information understanding, because we get some really interesting
information out of Egypt, a concept called zep Tepe and
the whole idea of looking at professional ages in Egypt.
And that was one of these the dating methods that
I used, using the Great Lawn of the great late
John Anthony West, which was quite a pioneer in this
whole field. In fact, some would suggest he was the
father of starting all alternative research into ancient civilizations lost history.
Speaker 1: Wow, let me ask you, Egypt keeps coming up anytime
we talk about anything in the ancient world. Egypt seems
to be this hub. What is your explanation or feeling
of why Egypt is such a pivotal area of you know,
has obviously has the Great Pyramid and the Pyramids of Giza,
which are you know, there's nothing in the world like it.
There are other versions of it, like in Mexico and
Peru and so many other places in.
Speaker 2: The greatest pyramids of the world.
Speaker 1: But there, Yeah, But so there's something special about that area.
What is your feeling about that?
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing we know is there's some really
aspect interesting aspects of what's called geodesesi. So if anyone
hasn't heard of geodesy, it's basically looking at cardinal alignments,
positions on the earth, different aspects that may be very
important star alignments for why someone would want to build
in a specific spot. So it's called geodesy. And so
you find out that Egypt is found on what's called
the thirtieth parallel. Now that area is we also have
the fortieth parallel above it, and they seem to have
these relationships between why civilizations want to build there. Now. Egypt, though,
it is really interesting because it's in the center of
the world in terms of land mass, so if you
were to draw a center, it's right in the very center,
and it seems to have a very interesting relationship between
its location and the Nile River as being a very
important symbolic aspect of not only of the constellation of
Orion that's embodied into the river itself as like a
river of the cosmos, but like a star map, so
it's like above and below. So the law of correspondence
is why I think it's also another reason why they've
built there is that if you were to take the
stars above with the Orion's belt and you look into
the whole connection with astrology, even like constellations nearby like
Eradonus with ancient Mesopotamia next to with Aridu, there may
be a direct relationship between these ancient cultures mirroring and
creating a synergy between the sky and the earth, and
that the Egypt may be that synergy that represents Orian itself,
which is incredibly important. And we know that there is
already a connection when we look at the King's chamber,
the masculine energy of Egypt, that sacred archetype that's very
important to understand, the archetype of divine masculine and divine feminine.
But we know that the divine masculine points towards Orion, right,
and then we know that the feminine the queen's chamber
as it's called points towards Sirius, which is considered a
feminine and starve. So it's just very interesting how this
idea that there's no randomness to it and that it's
very specific for those locations on the earth, which then
blows your mind to think how these ancient cultures could
have known those things and did those things the way
they did. I don't think we should ever underestimate what
the what their knowledge was and understanding. I think in
many ways we maybe like children compared to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everyone just looks at Oh, they don't have iPhones,
so obviously they're not advanced. But it says that we're
looking at the in the past with our lens of today,
but they could have had technologies that were so far
beyond what we understood and.
Speaker 2: Love of consciousness, so not just technology, but levels of
consciousness and energy and the abilities that they may have
had that we are like shadows of our former self basically.
Speaker 1: And when you're saying also consciousness to be able to
achieve or to be able to access the information to
create advanced technologies in advance, you know that kind of stuff.
You need to have higher level of consciousness to be aware,
to be able to even download this information or get
access to it, because I always say, like, if if
Alexander the Great had a machine gun, well it would
have been over much quicker than it was, but that
at that time their consciousness was so low that they
really shouldn't have been given access to that kind of
information or an atomic bomb for that matter.
Speaker 2: Even going that's true, it's like the gatekeepers to seem
to be controlling the levels of what we can obtain
based on what are what we've proven in terms of
who we are, right, because if possibilities like you're not
going to give You're not going to give Alexander the
Greater gun a huge machine gun because what is he
going to do with it?
Speaker 1: You're right, right, right, Like if the Silver War, if
the North and the South both had Adam bombs, what
would have happened to us? Like they would have used them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, that's the question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's and it's that's the thing. So
there is seems I always say to people, there is guardrails.
There seems to be guardrails up on us, Like we're
not going to destroy ourselves because that would ruin the game. Yes,
that we're all would it would definitely ruin the game.
So with all of the connections that you're finding across
the world, what is your explanation of why there are
these connections in societies and cultures that had nothing to
do technically, had nothing to do with each other. So, like,
obviously the biggest one is, you know, meso America and Egypt,
Like they shouldn't have been able to connect with each
other because according to the mainstream, we didn't see each
other for you know, up until whatever the year was
that Christopher Columbus sailed the Ocean blue, if you will,
kind of thing. So what what is your reason? What
do you think is the reasoning that all of these cultures,
not just those two cultures, but Cambodia and all these
other in Japan and all these other place China have
these pyramids and all these connections.
Speaker 2: Again, it's that global connection. Again. I think there was
a dissentimination of information at a certain time, which is
what I've been tracking and tracing to the Lake vond region,
which is where I believe that was lowered. That's something
then spread out and I've been mapping and tracing their
path based on other locations in temples that are in
association with them, and you can see like a roadmap. Oh,
so they went this far northwest, they went this far east,
you know, where were they going? And all of a
sudden things pop up in other places. They It's like
they were in they were given very very powerful and
important knowledge and their responsibility was to then travel around
the world and create noal points of it in civilizations
and then move on and then just leave them behind
for a civilization to watch over and manage. And a
lot of those civilizations that were managing them may not
have originally built them. And that's the most mysterious thing
is that some of these may have just been the
remnts and ancestral remnants and echoes of far older and
more ancient cultures and they're just still there living there,
but it doesn't mean they had anything to do with them.
And I think great examples of that is like are
like the Aztecs and others, and Maya and other you know,
even like the Inca. A lot of people don't know
that the Inca were only around less than four hundred years,
but yet they're being credited with creating some of the
greatest megalithic stone temples and structures that the world has
ever seen. But that doesn't make sense because we know
their capabilities were so limited, and that's what we see
a lot of places around the world with the dynastic
Egyptians and even cultures like the Romans had extreme limaltic limitations.
Like they reach a place like Ballbeck Lebanon, they were
astounded by what they saw. They found blocks there that
were over you know, there were hundreds and hundreds of
thousands of pounds. It was like astounding to them, these massive,
multi ton stones that are still some of the largest
in the world. And instead of moving them, they left
them all a half cut out of their quarries and
half worked, and they built just their own structures and
colisseums right on top of them.
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Speaker 2: And then they were given credit for building baub Beck
Levinon with the Temple of Jupiter, but we know that
they never created the stones underneath and the structures, and
so that telltale sign we see all around the world.
But the most fascinating thing alex is regarding it taking
it back to Atlantis, is that in each one of
these examples, whether or not it's ancient Egypt, like in
the Aswan Quarry where they were taking out the largest
obelisk ever ever made by far, or you go to
the moai in Easter Island where they were in the
process of taking out the biggest moai by three times
they'd ever been done. It was just about to come
out of the host rock. Go all the way across
the world to for instance, in China in the Yangshen Quarry,
they were about to move a block that was like
one hundred tons biggest that the world has ever seen.
What happened in all those cases, every one of those examples,
the work suddenly stopped. None of those things made it
out of their hoststone, and then the civilization that was
building it just disappeared. We know that it means that
they had reached the height of their sophistication before that happened,
because they were the largest projects they had ever taken
on collectively. So that's really impressive and telling because it
means that whatever happened was sudden, and that they weren't
able to do a lot to plan around it or
avoid it. And two that it completely stopped any capability
of continuing anything in the future. And that's a pretty
mind blowing thing to consider, is that like our civilization,
imagine we were hit by the events that they were
and we scrambled to try to protect whatever we can,
but all that remains, it's it, like, the only thing
that remains is two things stonework and our churches and
our capital buildings and such, and then some legacy of
traditions and stories that get passed down by survivors. That's it.
Everything else is gone, glass, metal, brick, everything else is gone, digital, everything, paper,
Everything we ever did is like wiped out, and the
memory of that is gone. That may very well been
what it was like with Atlantis, whatever technologies, they will
figure it out. They seem very different than we had.
They seem very energy based, very conscious based, and like
you said, their entire civilization seem to be based on
this world's civilization. From what they've built and the symbols
they left behind, the knowledge they had. They seem to
be scholars and masters and almost like magicians of energy
and consciousness, whereas we are warmongers and violent and destructive
and deceitful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean magicians, I mean we If you show
this to a tribesman and take a picture of it
somewhere in Africa. Let's say that they've never seen one
of these before, and you take a picture of them
and you show them the picture. We're magicians, so magic
seems to be magical to the uninitiated in many ways.
Speaker 2: And that's what you're talking about. The magic though if
what if one of those people then also somehow this
mind lifted like a stone off the ground.
Speaker 1: Well, now we're in Jedi world, and that's fine, I
love Jedi's no, but then we're in a whole other
Yogic power is all that kind of stuff as well,
which is just another higher level of consciousness, which is
which is pretty fascinating. So with Atlantis, let me say,
I'm losing my train of thought here. Well let me
let me go back to Lake Vaughan. You mentioned Lake Vaughan.
What is Where is Lake Vaughan and what is the
significance of Lake von which in your documentary series a
documentary you are down there, You're dived everything. What is this?
Speaker 2: So in Eastern Turkey, it's part of the world that
nobody really knows about. And it's actually funny because a
lot of we just did a tour there. Very successful
first tour. It was amazing and one of the things
we prided ourselves on is you can actually find real artifacts,
and somebody did and subsequently it ended up in a museum,
so very exciting. But in eastern Turkey, in a place
that most of the world doesn't know about, are a
lot of new excavations, new discoveries, and then things that
have been missed a little bit because of how they've
been categorized. That often gets overshadowed by things like quebecley Tepe,
or Egypt, or Peru and Bolivia. It doesn't really get
no it's not really talked about or known. But I
consider it to be like round zero, an origin point.
And so when I started doing and you remember two
years ago when I first did the show with you,
what I was talking about on there was the ancient
connection I had found back to sumer, back to the
old story of the Noah figure in Zaya Soudra, and
that whole connection to the ara At region that was
where a lot of things blossomed because of a discovery
known as the Babylonian Map of the World. And we've
talked about that, but I just bring it up. It's
because in the nineties there was a piece of that.
It's an ancient map. It's an ancient tablet that basically
is the oldest map in the world in existence. It
came out of Babylon and it has a depiction of
circles with triangles coming off it and then some writing.
And for a long time they didn't really understand what
it all meant because one of the pieces was broken
and they didn't know how it fit in. In the
nineties there was an intern a woman working at the
British Museum with Irvane Finkel, and she found that missing piece.
They subsequently fitted in and they were able to translate
the whole thing and they found that it described that
story of the landing of an Arc, which really was
in the tablets, especially if anybody really wants to understand
it's one of that. It's probably the most important single
story in Mesopotamium tablets besides the creation of mankind. So
the two most discussed things in tablets, whether or not
it's Sumerian, a Kadi and a Syrian Babylonian, they all
have versions of Cuneiform tablets and stories. The most important
two of them are of course, the creation of man
and this deluge destructive event in which the Zayas Sudranoa
figure survived. And so that map, the Babylonian map of
the world when they cracked, it gave the location of
where that occurred, like a tourist map. So when I
was up there trying to understand the whole thing and
investigating nearby Lake Vaughan, it's where I uncovered and fell
into a huge rabbit hole. And I mean when I'm
talking about huge rabbit hole, I mean what seemed to
unlock every every key on every lock. I should say
to an understanding of what we're we're trying to piece together. Like,
for instance, let's give a figure like Graham Hancock's done
a lot of pivotal work in this area. He's definitely
been a trailblazer. A lot of props to him. You
bring up something like Peru and Bolivia and Egypt and
Southeast Asia, and you say, how does all that connect? Well,
this is how I believe that connects. This is taking
that and saying, let's put together a timeline and origin
point for where all of this seems to have originated from.
By using the same symbols, the same stone work and
the same teachings that then spread around the world as
noble points, and we can trace them back to this point.
And so when I came across these sites that had
all those symbols and had all that information, all of
these incredible connections, I formed a team with experts from
around the world, including like doctor Robert Schock and other
very high profile geologists and academics and archaeologists too, and
we have a whole host of people that joined and
we went to all these locations I had identified, and
we investigated them to find those connections, and we found
profound things. We found in incredible things like dating evidence
that we may be able to finally use in conjunction
with like I mentioned with John Anthony West and when
he brought Robert Shock in the nineties to Egypt with
the water erosion versus wind erosion of the sphinx enclosure.
We're taking that now the next level by being able
to have potential for very identifiable betrification on some of
the blocks that we know or from that culture, which
is basically like melted glass obsidian. And doctor Robert Shock came.
That was one of the major reasons he came and
agreed to join the team was because it's one of
his top theories is that this civilization and I agree,
and that's what I'm also investigating, is that a CME event,
a coroal mass ejection event, blasted the earth during the
other the last Ice Age and basically destroyed this global civilization.
And finding this vitrification that may be some of the
best vitrification evident in the world, and we found it
a kept Callesi, so I brought him there for that.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about is it this like the younger
Dryas kind of yea.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about between it's a combination of somewhere
between the older older Dryas and younger Dryas. A lot
of people don't know that the Younger Dryas was actually
just one event during that time period. In fact, there
was one that may have been even more destructive, called
the Older Dryas at fourteen five hundred years ago. So
the Younger Dryas ended eleven thousand, six hundred years ago.
It was probably at its height around you know, twelve
thousand years ago. Say, But these two events in conjunction
seem to have direct relationships. So it's like you can't
talk about the older Dryas without talking about the younger
Dryas and vice versa. So which one of those events
the series of at least three major events during that
over a seventeen hundred year period or so or two
thousand year period. We don't know. That's obviously something we're
trying to dial in. But I brought Robert for that,
and then investigating everything else we had, and so on
this one particular, what's called a bobberleave. It's a giant
Bassault cut block that weighs like fifty tons. It's absolutely incredible.
On the it's all broken on the side, but the
top still has a perfectly smooth cut where they carved
it right. And that's not argue because you can see
all the ones that are exactly like it that are
broken in the museum down below.
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and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: But when we identified and knew that, and I found
vitrification two years ago when I was doing a scouting
trip there, so I brought Robert out there to investigate,
and he hyked up with us and he went out.
He actually went there twice with me. He went out
and he went to this these boulders, like there's blocks
that have been cut, and I showed them all the vitrification,
but specifically this one that's that massive block, and it
actually has the basalt, which is a volcanic, very hard stone.
It actually has melted into a glass on the on
the surface level. And so when he saw that, you know,
he confirmed that it was vitrification, and it was a
very big deal because utrification can only occur alex at
very specific intervals and moments in history when you have
an extreme event. It's not an every day a event.
In fact, lightning can't really do this either. It's something
that's more like a ton of lightning bolts all together
in one focused interval area. It's related to light very
zeus like very zeusless exactly. And so when we found that,
that was one of the pieces of dating evidence that
we're using, and there's others that are far more even
exciting than that that are related to that region. When
we were doing that that we're exploring, and I'm also
in conjunction writing my most important new the new book
I'm like sixty percent or so that highlights and lays
this all out, the whole fact.
Speaker 1: So when you were mentioning before that that there's this
global civilization arguably around the Atlantean time, and then this
event happens and whatever's it's wiped out, and whoever survives
is these kind of stories, And you were saying that
for people watching, you know, it's not that far fetched
because we as a civilization have already put away our knowledge.
There's that seed bank in like Wis Norway or something
like that, that there's a giant inside of a mountain somewhere.
There's no reason to say that we won't find that
treasure trove somewhere when the time is right for us
to find something under the Sphinx paw, sure, why not?
Or you know, or is there stuff underneath the Great Pyramid,
as the Italian crew that took those satellite pictures are
now starting to discover. When the time is right, we
will find those things. But it's not that far fetched
because we are actually doing that right now. So if
tomorrow the same younger Driest event or older dryest event
happened and we wiped everything out, there would still be
remnants of our knowledge and technology safe in mountains somewhere.
You know, God knows, the US has a bunch of
bases inside of mountain.
Speaker 2: Yes, they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would survive. That would survive all of this stuff.
And if someone happened to find it in five hundred years,
a thousand years where because of where they're placed, it
could survive without power.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's not that far fetched. It's not that
far fetch what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: No, And that brings up a good point is that
maybe we do have more we could leave behind, I
mean more. Let's say, what is more? Are we actually
leaving behind as much knowledge? Probably not, but we're leaving
behind things like seeds and valuable things that are sary
for the restarting of a civilization. So it's interesting that
we would actually have different things that we would leave.
Now let's go over let's mention the elephant in the room. Though. Yes,
everything is cyclical. If we look at cycles, all you
have to do is look. Anybody that wants to challenge
me on this really is just look at Antarctic ice
coores from Vostok, Antarctica. Okay, you're gonna look at the
last What you're gonna look at four hundred and fifty
thousand years. What you're gonna see is a beautiful, super
super mirrored like exact cycle of rise and falls of
temperatures and cyclical ice ages that go on like consistently
every about one hundred thousand years. It's not whether or
not we live in cycles, it's whether or not that's
how long those cycles are now, And according to her meticism,
the nature of everything is cycles, including us in civilization,
and ultimately someday in the future we will be destroyed.
It's not a question about about if, it's more of
a question about when. And that's not a fear based statement.
It may be twenty thousand years from now, and we
wondered thousands we will have reached who knows what that
what is meant to be a fear based system. But
nothing is permanent. That's the nature of a third dimensional reality.
The physical reality is that nothing is ever permanent. It
will always eventually so it die and be lost. But however,
what this civilization seemed to leave behind was the reason
why it's so important. Instead of leaving behind symbols that
are showing them fighting with wars and becoming powerful empires,
it's basically the opposite, is that we see no sign
of that. We see no evidence of that which is
a problem Alex because if you if little Alex goes
to school when he's a kid, and he goes to
learn about everything about geography, about philosophy, about the human story,
all of that, he's going to learn that we emerged
six five hundred years ago from the city of Erroq.
That's that's what it states, even though that's not accurate.
I mean Iraq was six thousand, five hundred years ago,
but we could go into that. He's going to learn
that that occurred. And then after that point, during the
during that rise of the Assyrian and Acadian empires, you
then saw empires around the world just rise up, like
the Babylonians, the Meds culture of the Ottoman Empires, the
Roman Empires endlessly over and over again. You'll learn that
the human story is integral with us creating our civilizations
that were based on being empires. Yeah, they had agriculture,
but they were empire base, which means we were war based.
That defined the entire existence of how we sought ourselves
with like conquering our world around us, survival the fittest
and just being smarting and whoever can conquer can can dominate. Well.
The problem is that what we're looking at right now
with these lost civilizations and the evidence of these sites
and these structures and what they left behind, is no
evidence that that ever existed. So we could be looking
at a completely fundamental way to look at humanity that
will radically shift everything we think we know about who
we are, and I mean on a rippling effect that
then would show be like, well, what was the mentality
of that culture? What did they value was? What was there?
What was their language? What were they interested in leaving behind?
How did that define what their culture was? What was
their capabilities? What were they what were they doing with
their time? And if people were to do that and
incorporate a lot of what we're trying to show in
the book in the documentary, they would realize that we
are a very poor shadow of our former selves and
that we would be completely different than we are now.
And you're we've seeing those cracks and those things emerge
with me. You do shows all the time. You see
the world opening up to higher conscious places and spirituality
and energy. Yes, we're finally getting back to that, but
what if it's so much more brand and deep than
even that, you know, And that's what we may find.
Speaker 1: If we survive as a species, let's say for the
next five hundred years, okay, which is in the blink
of even the even in the mainstream idea that we
were we emerged sixty five hundred years BC, if you will,
so eighty five hundred years ago, let's give or take
which is bs because go blackly Debe is older. But
that's another conversation among other among other sites that are older.
But let's say it's just that what we've been able
to accomplish in the last one hundred and fifty years,
one hundred and sixty years is so monumental, yes, and
so fast it's insane. So if we kept just on
that trajectory one hundred years from now, just one hundred,
where would our if we haven't destroyed each other? Where
is the technology? Where is the technology going to be?
And are we five hundred years from now? Where's the technology?
Are we going to be a multiplanetary species? Are we
going to be able to create a technology that would
help us survive any cataclysms that does happen to happen
as this planet?
Speaker 2: What do you think? That's the ultimate question. So we
may have an advantage that our ancient ancestors never had,
and so that advantage is having certain types of technology
that I don't think they had. And I think that
what we're looking at is what we become is the
ultimate hybrid of both worlds. So their world, I think,
was very based on a lot of different principles and
understandings and things than we are. So I think they
were very connected to the earth. They were very connected
to knowing specific types of stones that had resonance to them,
that had very specific mineral structures that had fields and connections,
and you can just by using certain architectural means, could
create something that we don't even understand today. Look, without
a doubt we see that in the temples and pyramids,
using potentially collecting starlight and connecting to all these things.
It's wild to consider that they may have had a
form of technology that was much more based on consciousness
and based on an organic type of technology that could
do all kinds of powerful things, but it had its limitations.
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Speaker 2: Right, So, if you have a CME event that's about
to blast the earth or something that's going to hit
maybe that's not enough. Maybe you can't say it with that,
you know, And so what do we have, Well, we
have all this fun tech that if we're able to
become moral enough and we learn the lessons and grow
enough to be highly highly conscious and become that hybrid
of the two, maybe we can use that technology in
ways that they never could have imagined to continue that acceleration.
Speaker 1: Remind me, I know you're not a geologist, but fuel
the background, now, right, So so fossil fuels, oil and coal,
which is basically carbon based fossil fuels that takes millions
of years to form, am I right? Right? Okay, So
if it takes millions of years to form, that means
that societies, let's say Atlantis or prior societies to that,
did not use fossil fuels at the level that, if
at all, at the level. Maybe some fire at the
beginning and so on and so forth, but they didn't
drill and grab all this stuff. Because that is the
basis of our entire civilization.
Speaker 2: Is they were not an industrial.
Speaker 1: Civilization, correct, exactly, So then they were using technologies and
power sources that are far beyond our understanding. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2: Yes? And so Obviously. The big thing that comes to that,
I'm sure everyone is thinking that right now is the
Nicola Tesla. You know, I firmly believe that he stumbled
upon their technology by studying ancient Egypt. With the fact
that obelists very much acts like a radio antenna, and
the fact that pyramids have certain types of energy that
can come through magnetism and through different things with even
like water properties through their aquifer systems and such. He
stumbled upon free energy without a doubt. There's no arguing
whether or not Nicola Tesla stumbled upon free energy. Anybody
that looks into it and studies it knows that what
he tapped into is an understanding of what's called magnetism.
So the Earth is a giant spinning ball of iron,
and it creates a magnetic field. That magnetic field is
what protects the Earth and creates that balance between the
North and South pole. When that magnetic field is disrupted,
it's when all hell breaks loose with these events. So
he just dialed in and tapped into a natural resonance
fields that the Earth is always creating. That's magic. That's
what he figured out, is it's magic, and that they
had mastered then understanding, and that is how they were
able to figure out and acquire energy and to use
it in certain ways that we're not. And so that's
what we're I'm talking about with the future, is that
technologies may completely not be what we think, where we
actually dial and go a different direction, which is towards
free energies and then fuel it fringing up the world
from its dependency on pollution and destroying it with mining
like cobalt and other things. We may able to free
those things using free energy, and that way ends up
being a hybrid. So it's a technology he discovered from
the ancients, but through that we then fuel our future
through clean renewable sources because of an ancient understanding. And
I don't think that's the only example of that. I
think we're going to find other examples of ways that
we can wrongly enhance and change. I'll give you an example.
I think that we are very very poor in understanding
of architecture, sacred architecture, and they seem to have mastered understanding, like, oh,
we're gonna build with just this stone and this stone,
We're gonna merge them together in a certain way and
have them in a certain alignment and a design and
a certain connection with stars above, and we're gonna create
something that y'all have no idea what it is, and
we don't we have we're like mystified. So when when
we're filming that we're filming the documentary, we brung we
brought with us some sacred geometry experts and architecture experts
to look at some of the structures like ionis to
try to understand what is this? Is this like a
network energy field that's formed when the sun moves through
and charges the basalt with magnetite and then somehow as
an interaction with the andesite and the cold and calicite alabaster.
That's what I mean is that they may have had
profound understandings, which includes the big one in the room plasma.
How did they heat these stones? How did they mold them?
Why in Peru can you find blocks that looked like
they're pillows, Like they're like they were heated up and
put into place and then solid again. Now we're going
down another another whole rabbit hole of technology that they
have that may be indicated in these symbols like an
ionus and others like in Vedic symbols about some kind
of device that they somehow could harness plasma. So what
I'm what I mean is the more you look at it, Alex,
the more they may have actually been more sophisticated than
we are. Because look at what you just mentioned. We're
trying to fuel things based on a non renewable energy
energy source. That's like polluting the Earth and destroying it.
Whereas they could just tap into free energy and do
not do anything. So what's more advanced.
Speaker 1: But yet with all that technology, let's say they did
it able to talk to have free energy, and they
were able to have this plasma technology that you're talking about,
but yet when the catalyst and came, they could not
do anything about it. We have, I mean, we we
do have a space station. There's only four people up there,
five people up there, but we do have a space station.
We are capable, we are capable of going off planet,
and I think within our lifetime we'll probably get to Mars.
I'm not sure we'll develop it at the level of
total recall that nineties great movie with art of Sourcesnegger
in our lifetime, but I think that will eventually be
one hundred years two hundred years from now that capability
of doing something like that. So the ancients might that
the ancients had all this advanced technology, but it was
I don't know if I would say it's earth bound,
but it wasn't advanced enough to protect them that's from
a cataclysm.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, it's a good term. It's called earth
earth bound technology versus like we would say almost like industrial.
I don't know what you want to call ours, but
there is this very earth based.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's in't an amazing math that how how
Star Trek was a combination of the industrial like being
able to build a ship to take us out of
this planet, but also using the technology of the of
the ancients to power because it wasn't burning coal on
the enterprise. Isn't that amazing? Do you think that's where
we're going?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it's combining this ancient earth like
technology or understanding with our modern technology and fusing them
together with some mix that maybe we've never had before,
and maybe that's what will ultimately save us, you know,
down the line the future and create something new that's
never really been seen before. So I'm very excited to
see how all that's going to incorporate and be part
of our path in the future.
Speaker 1: Man, Matt, I could keep talking to you man for
another five days.
Speaker 2: I look forward to.
Speaker 1: The next time you come down to Austin mecaus. When
you get down here, we usually sit down and talk
for two three hours. So where can people find out
more about you? And when when is this documentary in
this book going to be coming out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so please follow my website, the Stage of Time
dot com. I'm also on YouTube Matthew Lacroix and the
Stage of Time on Instagram, but you can see on there.
We've posted the new tour dates for next for twenty
twenty six if you want to sign up and go
on those adventures with us, and you can see updates
in the documentary. And we're in the process of about
to finish do the editing for that, so we can
conclude that and I will let everybody know updates as
well as when I can get the book completed. I
am again about sixty percent through and I want to
make sure that I do the best job possible because
it's a really significant body of work that combines with
the documentary. So I appreciate everyone's support in that on
this journey. It really is incredible what we're uncovering and
what we're a part of.
Speaker 1: Brother, I appreciate all the hard work man, what you are.
You're not the most interesting man in the world. That
would that. That's Robert Edward Grantee is the most interesting
man the world. But everybody else you are in that
world by far, my friend. You're globe trotting all over
the world man. So it's a pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: Brother.
Speaker 1: I wish you nothing but the best and continue on
your journey and in your adventures, and hopefully you will
help awaken this planet and awaken our consciousness even more
with the work you're doing. So I appreciate you, my friend.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Alex. I appreciate you as well.
Speaker 1: I'd like to thank Matt so much for coming on
the show and sharing his discoveries and knowledge with all
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