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Speaker 1: All right, off of an eventful weekend in San Antonio

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where well, I mean, let's just say it was bizarre

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on so many levels, and then unfulfilling in the main

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event as well, because it was the winner once again

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for Lamont Roach. His twenty twenty five will be marked

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down as didn't win, didn't lose despite having two huge fights.

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We're ready to recap everything that went on in the

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PBC on Prime main event, plus Jai Opataia another big

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knockout defending his Cruise Away title. We're going to recap

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all of it. We've got a world champ on the

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program in Badu Jack. He's back in action in a

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rematch fight coming this coming Saturday, December thirteenth. We're ready

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to do all of that. It is the Fight Freaks

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of a combination of some other teams that were winners today.

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So may the Giants are now in pole position for

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the number one.

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Speaker 1: D without having played because Tennessee actually won a game

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this weekend to help them in that regard. All right,

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as well. All right, So I said a couple of

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editorial things at the very beginning, this was just a

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bizarre situation with Jennabeca lim canoolly flunking a ped test.

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He's off the card. We're gonna get into the whole

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thing with Steven Fulton missing weight against Oshaki Foster, and

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then we get a main event with no winner Raphael

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in the end. All right, so let's begin right there.

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Let's begin right there with Lamont Roach and Isaac Pittbull Cruise,

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which was a competitive fight, but I use the word unfulfilling.

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What would you say, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. I thought it was a really good fight.

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I mean it was putting the result aside. If you

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didn't have a particular rooting interest, which I didn't have

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a particular rooting interest. You just want to see a

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good fight, and it was a good fight, and it

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was controversial because you name a draw in the history

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of boxing that's not somewhat controversial. I mean, they're always

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like that, but I didn't think this was even though

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I personally had Lamont Roach winning the fight one fifteen

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to one eleven. And let's keep in mind that there

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was a point deduction from Pitbull for holding. There was

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a knockdown that Pitbull scored against Roach where he forced

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him to put his glove down on the canvas. So

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they each had a ten eight round or should have

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you know they had a point. Let's say it didn't.

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they were offsetting. So that's how I got one fifteen

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to one eleven. One judge had a one fifteen to

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one eleven in favor of pit Bull Cruise. The other

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two judges had at one thirteen to one thirteen, so

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it's not the most how land is draw. I didn't

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think that pit Bull did enough. Maybe they just thought

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he did better in the first half of the fight,

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because I thought Roach really pretty much after like the

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fifth or sixth round, totally dominated really except maybe the

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eleventh round. But it was a very good fight. I mean,

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if you bought the pay per view, you were entertained,

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no doubt about it. They put on a heck of

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a fight. Roach stood in the pocket. He didn't. You know,

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know the pressure about Pitt Bull Cruise just comes in

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their wing and punch us from all over the place.

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maybe even maybe even to a more extent, stood in

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the pocket and fought the guy. He didn't he didn't

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box and move. Now he did start to box and

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move a little bit more when we didn't know this

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at the time, and he actually did not mention it.

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post fight interview. I watched the postfight press conference that

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Speaker 3: After the fact.

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Speaker 2: He broke his hand, he said in round five, and

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it was after that that he really couldn't. He still

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tried to throw it and he wasn't using it. As

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an excuse. He literally said, I did everything else. So

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it was just the fact of what happened, right, I'm

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not blaming that for the draw. But the point was

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he had made the decision he was gonna bang with

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the guy to a degree, and once he could not

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really use that right hand very much, he decided to

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box more. He used his left hook really effectively, and

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it was almost like counterintuitive. I guess where he's at

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his best when he's boxing, but he decided to fight,

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and when he really couldn't do that as well as

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he wanted to do, he started to box more and

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it worked for him because he had Pitbull backing up.

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than Pitbull. His defense is better than Pitbull. I just

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thought he won the fight because he you know, he

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might have lost in those early rounds. Sure, he came

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on like gangbusters after the second, you know, in the

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second half, and you know, what, can I say? It

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was interesting?

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Speaker 1: It was close interesting that on the two cards that

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ended up being a draw because I read my ray

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and you had the cards there that both of those

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judges had Roach up by a point entering the twelfth round.

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All three judges gave Cruise the twelfth round and that

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gave you the draw. So again Lamont Roach didn't have

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a way to know that. But it's just interesting. I mean,

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the one judge again had I.

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Speaker 2: Disagree with that by the way. I mean, I think

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you can get pitbulled the eleventh round. I gave Lamont

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Roach the twelfth round, and I saw some of people

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saying that they did the same thing. It was. It

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was close, but it was even though all three judges

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gave it to him. It wasn't like it was a

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landslide or it was an easy decision, however you want

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to look at it. I just felt like that when

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you put it into perspective of how he got robbed

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in the in the Davis fight because of the non

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knockdown call, and then to do what he did against Cruz.

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Remember he's moving up another way class. He fought, he

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was he fought this fight at one forty, He fought

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the Tank fight at one thirty five. Prior to that,

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he you know, he defended his title at one thirty

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incidentally by entering the ring in this one forty interim

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title fight as Pitt Bull is defending his WBC belt

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one hundred and forty pound interim belt Tank Davis, not

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Tank Davis, but Lamar Roach was stripped by the WBA

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of the one hundred and thirty pound title and James Dickens,

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who had been the interim champion, suddenly is now the

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full champion again. Not James Dickens's fault, but he's you know,

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he's basically like the others that have taken the ir

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email champion. Not fair, but that's just the life we

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live in now in boxing, where you can just be

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elevated with a stroke of a you know, a keyboard

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when you get your email or a text to your

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manager or something like that. It's kind of ridiculous. But nonetheless,

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he looked good at one forty Lamar Roach. I mean,

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he's not a guy that looked out of his depths.

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At one hundred and forty pounds, he was bigger than

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the guy. He'll do just fine against other fighters in

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that way class. He could if he wants to go

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to one thirty five if there was a right fight.

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I was just disappointed he didn't get the call because

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I felt his.

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Speaker 1: Line a couple of times was I can't get a

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fair shake and he and he's right. In the end,

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he didn't. He didn't end up getting the decision a

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second time here. You know, what's funny to see what

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the future is with the injured hand.

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Speaker 2: So the funny thing is when you see draws like that,

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usually one guy's got a quarrel about this or that.

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In this particular case, you had Lamar Roach saying I

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can't get a fair shake, and yet Pitbull Cruz rallying

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against the referee James Green for taking away the point

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from him, which to me was totally warranted. He had

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been warm, he was leading with his head, he was

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doing all kinds of shit, and you know, he had

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been worn for the for the excessive holding. Every single

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time there was a an exchange at some point, like

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after about the third or fourth round, he would fall

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into a clinch every single time, practically, and the ref

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did warn him, and he finally, when it was so blatant,

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you know, he docked him a point. He really didn't

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have a choice. I didn't think James Green did a

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badge with that point deduction, So Pitbull can cry all

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he wants when he goes back and looks at her.

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He asked his people to be honest with him. They'll say, listen,

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he shouldn't have been olden so much. It made for

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a few messy rounds, although overall the fight itself was

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very pleasing to watch. So the point deduction was totally legit.

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And by the way, the knockdown, he landed a great shot.

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It totally rocked Lamont Roach and knocked him way off balance,

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but he didn't go all the way down on the campus.

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He just touched his glove down because he was stumbling.

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But if you want to know, in an eleven year

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professional career, that is the first time that there's ever

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been a knockdown ruled against Lamont Roach VI it that

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it was glove touching or literally on the campus or whatever.

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And the best of my knowledge from what Laman says anyway,

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never down in the amateur ranks either. I mean, this

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is a guy with a good chin. In fact, when

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we did the interview on the podcast prior to his

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fight against Tank Davis, we discussed the fact he was

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going in there with a big puncher moving up in wait,

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and you know he wasn't really that worried, he said,

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because I have a great chin, and he showed it again.

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Speaker 1: All right, so again no winner.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're talking about a rematch. That was the thing.

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They were both saying they'd like to do a rematch.

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I would be I'd be happy with the rematch.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you have a compelling reason, go, you know,

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pick it up where it left off with the thirteenth

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round and see if you get more action and get

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a winner this time around for that coming up. All right,

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You and I I've been waiting to do this. You

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and I love to go round and round. So we

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put the pod to bed, the preview pod Thursday night

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into Friday, and I get a text from Rayphael on

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Friday afternoon because I'm doing a couple of other things. Hey,

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guess what, Stephen Fulton is two pounds overweight. I went, wait, minute, wait,

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he's saying, Stephen Fulton is two pounds overweight. Fulton is

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the guy moving up in weight to fight oh shaky Foster,

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and he's still two pounds above the limit. That's what

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four pounds above where he was fighting before.

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Speaker 2: As my good buddy TJ. Reese would say, he was

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Speaker 1: Tax on the highway. He had too much Thanksgiving turkey.

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Speaker 2: And either way I think, okay, he looked like it too. Okay,

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Now I'm not one to talk, but I'm not a fighter.

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Speaker 1: But that is, my friend, That is only the beginning

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of what went on Friday. You can describe it as Shenanigan's.

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You can describe it as BS, which I don't say.

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You can describe it as a walking billboard for what

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ZUFA boxing and the reform that they want, or at

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least to attempt to reform to whatever degree it's going

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to benefit them business wise. What the WBC did after

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this is indefensible, So let's go for it.

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Speaker 4: Go.

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Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, but.

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Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten into what's indefensible. But give me

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your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Talking about what you mentioned about ZUFA Boxing. They're not

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doing this to reform boxing, okay, so if it was there,

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but they're doing it for their own benefits.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, in their own financial reason. What they're

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saying is it's a corrupt, broken system, which we all

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know and We're at least gonna to a degree get

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it under control, to whatever motive and to whatever degree

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we don't know. But anyway, all right, so when Fulton

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is two pounds overweight, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: All right? So Fulton is the WBC featherweight champion. He's

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moving up to the to challenge O'shaki Foster, who was

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a WBC junior lightweight champion, moving up one weight class.

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Totally normal for one champion to go up to the

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next weight class to challenge the champion in that division.

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We could cite thousand reasons. You know, guys that have

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done that. Usually, though, the guy moving up, as you mentioned,

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is not the one. If there's somebody that's gonna missweight,

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that the guy that's moving up is the one that missweight.

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So he missed the weight by the two pounds. Remember

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they did the morning weight check or another weight check.

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But the way in and what people may have seen

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later in the day on the YouTube channels and such

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on social media, that was the ceremonial way in. So

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when they when PBC found out he was two pounds

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over now, I talked to some of the guys at PBC.

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They were kind of Black blindsided by this. They didn't

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know he was going to be over. Like a lot

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of times, if a guy is struggling like Ward gets them,

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you know he's gonna miss weight, or he's this or that.

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Some of those people were pretty shocked and surprised that

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he was not on weight. So that happened, and then

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now you got to deal with Shoshaki Foster. Are we

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gonna do the fight? Are we going to make a deal?

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What are we doing? His management was very aggressive and

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what they were asking for. There was some discussion and

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some things that came from PBC back to the Yoshaki

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Fosters idea, you want to play hard ball, you know,

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we'll drop you from the fight and we'll go fight

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some guy they had on the undercard against Stephen Fulton.

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And the way they were able to get it worked

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out eventually was they went to the WBC, not the

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other way around, and said, hey, we know this was

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supposed to be your one hundred thirty pound championship fight.

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Would you make available the one hundred and thirty five pound

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intern title fight and we can get this done. Even

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though Oshaki Foster was right on one hundred and thirty

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pounds which is the weight limit. But Fulton was won

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thirty tips.

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Speaker 1: So clarify who went to the WBC because I didn't quite.

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Speaker 2: Cash PBC went to the WBC.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what about O'shaki Foster in all of this

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because he as a championship at one thirty. The other

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guy missed weight. The other guy didn't drain himself to

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get to one thirty. Obviously, I mean to me, uh this,

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this whole thing stinks.

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Speaker 2: You can small, I hear you, but what pell listen

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Once you hit the weigh in and you're the day

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before the fight, the only goal and thought in the

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mind of any matchmaker or promoter is let's save the

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fight by any means necessary. And the way that they

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could save this fight was to go and get the

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WBC to sanction for their interim title. We can piss

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on it all we want. It deserves to be pissed on.

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I get it, but that is what helps save the fight.

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The WBC and I am not excusing some of the

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things they do with the interim titles, but they looked

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at their at people they work with all the time.

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With the Oshaki Foster's been their champion with Stephen Fulton

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has been their champion, who incidentally didn't deserve to be

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for the WBC interim title, because you're basically rewarding a

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guy for missing weight. But man, I totally get so.

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Speaker 1: Why so just just clarify again, Why did the WBC

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go along with this when Foster was on weight and

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he is their champion. Why didn't they say back to

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Premiere Boxing Champions if a deal can't be worked out,

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there is no fight. This guy's are champ at one

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thirty and he's on way again.

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Speaker 2: This is not me my opinion, This is this is

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what Mauricio Suliman posts on his social media. They you know,

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we made the determination that in order to salvage that

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I'm paraphrasing, to salvage this fight, which had already been

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postponed twice, guys had trained through two camps to make

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sure that the fight happened, which would be of assistance

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to the promotion, which would be of assistance to the

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pay per view, and would obviously get the two fighters

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paid who hadn't been paid in a while because two postponements.

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They determined, Okay, we'll go along with it, We'll sank

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in it for the interim title. Obviously they're going to

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reap a sanction fee from it, the same way they

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would have had the original fight taken place. It's not

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a perfect situation. I'm just telling you what.

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Speaker 1: You're giving me the facts, and now I'm going to

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give you this opinion.

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Speaker 2: That's why this is.

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Speaker 1: Where they have no credibility whatsoever when this crap goes

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on of we're just gonna make stuff up. The guy

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missed weight. If I was O shaky Foster, I would

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have said to PBC, you know what, I'm gonna call

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your bluff, go ahead and put Stephen Fulton in the

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main event with whoever you're gonna doyer view.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the main event, well no, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: The co feature. In the co feature, put him in

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there and let's go and watch it.

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Speaker 2: So it's easy to Monday Morning quarterback that when you're

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a shaky Foster and you're about to get paid. I

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don't know his exact purse, but I would have to

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say in the half a million dollar range, and you

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haven't made a dime in a long time, and you've

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trained your fucking ass off for two months, you know

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what easier fucking thing come.

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Speaker 1: Then come to some kind of agreement with PBC on

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whatever whatever I get.

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Speaker 2: The fight for the interim title was what the agreement was.

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Speaker 1: But okay, but again to me, you should have held

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firm and just said, this is what normally goes on.

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What normally goes on is he's got to pay me

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more of his purse.

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Speaker 2: He did. He did have to pay a bit.

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Speaker 1: He can't win my title. We're not calling it the

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vacant lightweight title.

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Speaker 2: Again, whatever it is. But here here's the bottom line.

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So now that o Shaki Foster has won the fight

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and he has the interim title, he has fifteen days

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to tell the WBC, I'm going to keep the interim

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title or I'm gonna go back to lightweight and maintain

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my my junior lightweight title. So his his one thirty

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title was not going to be at stake. Stephen Fulton,

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who thatck knows if he's ever going to go back

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to one twenty six. But again, because that title was

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not at stake either, he still has the one hundred

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and twenty six pound title. That's totally normal. That's the

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same situation we discussed when, forgam when a Navarrete fought

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at lightweight and lost, and he decided their return.

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Speaker 1: Except, of course, when the WBA stripped Lamont Roach when

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he got in the ring.

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Speaker 2: No, that's different. That was the same scenario that happened

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when Canelo Alvarez or I would rather when Terrence Crawford

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lost one of his welterweight titles when he stepped in

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the ring against Canelo. That's a normal thing, that is

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not in any way unreasonable for a guy who's moving

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up in wait, who hasn't made a mandatory in a

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long time to be you know, have that bell vacated.

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Speaker 1: Well, we didn't cover this, but Foster dominated the fight. Oh.

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He outlanded Stephen Fulton like one hundred and ninety or

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whatever to fifty in the fight. It was a one

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sided fight. Listens good on all Shaky Foster.

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Speaker 2: Oh, shaky Foster looked as good as he's ever looked

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in his entire career. He went, in my opinion, every

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single round one hundred and twenty to one oh eighth.

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I actually am pissed off that one judge actually had

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the fucking audacity to give Stephen Fulton three rounds. All

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I can see you giving him one round because that

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was a close opening round. All three judges happened to

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give the first round to Fulton. I was on the

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on the edge about who I'm giving that round to.

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I did give it to Foster, So if you want

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to tell me you gave him round one, I can

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live with that.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then one of the other judges, also, I have

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no idea how gave him like the ninth round. So

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that was the judge. It had him winning two of

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the rounds. And then another judge actually gave him like

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round one, round three, and round four and had had

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Foster losing after the fourth round. I mean, what are

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we doing here, as you that was kind of ridiculous,

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But that was a brilliant performance with most Shackie Foster,

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who's had some inconsistencies, to put it nicely, that was

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a brilliant display. I think he looked good at that weight.

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But also you have to take into account the fact

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that Steven Fulton, you know, had a beer belly. I mean,

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he did not look like a guy that would like

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than thirty plus pounds. I mean he was coming up

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and wait, he looked disinterested. I think it got to

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a point where he was mentally broken at some point

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in that fight where he's like, you know, let me

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just see if I can get to the final bell.

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He never landed TJ in twelve full rounds. He never

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landed like a legitimately solid, like telling shot of any kind.

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Not to say Foster was knocking it out, but you

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know what, when the fight was over, as Noah's was bleeding,

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Fulton his eye was puffed up, he was taking shots.

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I mean the amount of punishment he doled out, even

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if he didn't knock him down, ry thing was pretty significant.

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You mentioned him at the punch dats. Foster landed one

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hundred and ninety one of six hundred punches. Stephen Fulton

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in a twelve round fight landed fifty six of four

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hundred and thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: He had.

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Speaker 2: Foster outlanded Stephen Fulton in eleven of the twelve rounds.

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The only round that they that he didn't outlandhim in

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was in the opening round where they both landed five punches.

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So and Stephen Fulton never landed double digits the whole

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fight in any round now mostly ever landing was eight

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and one particular round and in the eleventh and twelve

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rounds where you think, okay, maybe I can just go

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for it. If I'm going to have any prayer, maybe

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try to do something dramatic. In the eleventh and twelfth

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round combined, he only landed six total punches. This was

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as one sided as you can see in a championship

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level fight as that I've seen in a long time.

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I mean, I had thoughts of, like, you know, the

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fight out was I was winky, right, Felix Trinidad s yeah,

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that sense. I mean, I don't know where Fulton goes

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from here. I mean he certainly devast.

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Speaker 1: They used the word disinterested earlier. Certainly by the ninth

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and the tenth round he had nothing and it really

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was an anti climactic back half of that fight to

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Foster for handling his business. And now we see what

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he does well.

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Speaker 2: The Thiat's going to be the interesting question. So, like

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I said, he's got the fifteen days to make the determination.

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He looked like the best one hundred and thirty pounder

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in the world after that fight. But does he stay

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or one hundred and thirty five? He looked really good.

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Does he go back to one thirty? Does he does he?

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You know which is now you're talking about the Nunyez

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is fighting Navarette in a unification fight. That's his top

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rank stablemate. In the terms of Navarette against Nunyez, is

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there a possibility to fight the winner? He says he

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wants to fight Shakur Stevenson. That's the guy he was

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calling out. They got some kind of beef going on.

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But of course Shakor is fighting at one hundred and

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forty in his next fight coming up at the end

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of January, and it remains to be seen if he

474
00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:37,160
wins or loses whatever happens in that fight, does he

475
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,759
go back to one thirty five. If he did go

476
00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:40,680
back to one thirty five, is even a fight that

477
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,400
Shagar would be interested in? Is a makeable? There's a

478
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,880
lot of ifs about that, so we shall see. But

479
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,440
one thing is O'shaki Foster raised his stock in a

480
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,640
big way. He fought a crowd pleasing fight. He boxed beautifully,

481
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,880
he came in great condition. I mean, he did as

482
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,200
well as you could possibly do other than get the knockout.

483
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,960
But in some ways it was almost better than them.

484
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,599
He's just absolutely fucking embarrassed Eve who just didn't even show.

485
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,039
Speaker 1: Up all right, And then the other two fights. As

486
00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,559
we mentioned Jana Beck, we knew this ped violation out

487
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:13,119
of what would have been a unified middleweight world title fight.

488
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,359
Eras Landy Laura won largely a dull, one sided fight

489
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,920
over Johan Gonzalez, the late replacement. Anything of a note

490
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,400
to say other than that as Laura had forty two,

491
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,480
finally fought again for the first time in like a

492
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,200
year and a half, anything else.

493
00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:32,519
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Laura is forty two, the oldest guy

494
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,839
in the business in terms of a world champion. To

495
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,400
his credit, he didn't look like he was forty two.

496
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,559
I mean, he's still in good shape. He still has

497
00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,279
his skills, he still has his quality defense when he

498
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,599
decides to step on it offensively, he can still do

499
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,079
a lot of things. And that's exactly what drives me

500
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,960
absolutely bonkers about Erslandi Laara. It is what drove me

501
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,720
absolutely bonkers again about Girmo Riggingdal. These guys have such

502
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,519
a men's talent, and but what drives me absolutely crazy,

503
00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:57,640
what pisses me off to no end, is that you're

504
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,119
in there with a guy overmatch so his opponent you'll on.

505
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,599
Gonzasku obviously was a late replacement when Jannabeck was bounced out.

506
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,319
He had been training though he was on standby, so

507
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,960
he knew that there was a chance he was gonna fight.

508
00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:09,759
He gave a great effort, He did everything he could,

509
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:12,720
but you could just see the levels are different. He does.

510
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:16,200
He was slow, Lara saw every punch coming. All he

511
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,759
could do was maybe throw the big over overhand looping

512
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:21,039
right hand. Never was going to touch him because his

513
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,920
quickness is still there to avoid that punch. So he tried,

514
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,559
but he was just out class. So what drives me

515
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,359
nuts is that Lara knows this. And I am never

516
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,160
suggesting that you should stick your chin out and take

517
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,440
punishment for no reason and get yourself into a brawl

518
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,200
and be dumb about it whatever. But there is also

519
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:40,319
a fine line. No, no, you're in a boxing match

520
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,559
that's supposed to be entertainment also, and you have this

521
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:49,400
man completely under control, you could on recklessly take a

522
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,279
step forward and try to do something on offense and

523
00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:54,920
at least give it a go. Okay, It's kind of

524
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,279
like what your course Stevenson did against the Peida. He

525
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,640
stayed very responsible on defense, but he's in the pocket.

526
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,559
He moved his head, he slipped a lot of punches,

527
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:05,680
did not take punishment, and won a very crowd pleasing

528
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,680
fight in the in the style that he fought. That's

529
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,039
exactly the kind of thing Laura can do, because Lara

530
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:13,319
has been in some good fights, but by and large,

531
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,559
they've been horrible, and this was another example. This was

532
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:17,680
one of the worst fights I have ever seen. He won.

533
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,240
I thought he won twelve to zero basically, I mean,

534
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:23,839
it was a complete whitewash. But he refused to even

535
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:29,440
for a millisecond take any any kind of offensive uh

536
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,200
move on the front foot type of let me see

537
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,119
if I can probe him and get in a good

538
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,680
shot other than just a jab. It was nothing but

539
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,640
jab right hand and not even a hard right hand,

540
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,000
just you know, touch.

541
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: The score points when.

542
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: It's basically what he was doing. So he won the fight,

543
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,119
but he didn't.

544
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: You know, it's it only makes you think of what

545
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,000
might have been if janebec who could punch and stronger,

546
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,079
would have been in there. But he screwed that up.

547
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,319
So this paper view was almost cursed, almost cursed from

548
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:00,559
the time we found that.

549
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: This ruins like the notion that Crawford would maybe go

550
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,359
to middleweight, because you know, if janebec had been the winner,

551
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,200
or let's say Laura had won in a good fight.

552
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,480
Now at least there might be the notion that that

553
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,519
could happen. But Janebek is now out of the picture.

554
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,920
He's probably gonna be stripped and suspended and whatever. You

555
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,680
can't sell fucking Crawford against Lara in a million years.

556
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,640
Carlos the damas. I mean, that's an okay fight, but

557
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,720
he's largely unknown and he's going to have a mandatory

558
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,160
that's due anyway. I mean not to say they couldn't

559
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,599
potentially get around that, I guess, but is you know,

560
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,359
after all the WBC, But I don't think they're looking

561
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,880
to do Terrence Crawford any favors at this moment. Point

562
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,880
is middleweight is fucking dead to me right now. I mean,

563
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,319
it's really sad, and this fight personified just how fucking

564
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,400
red ass that division is because you had a champion

565
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,119
that's a really good fighter and has been for a

566
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,599
long time who just absolutely refuses to do anything to

567
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:55,119
give the crowd even a smidgeon of entertainment value so

568
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:59,599
he can still fight. I don't disregard the abilities, but

569
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,640
I don't to fucking watch it as the bottom line,

570
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119
and when you take out if you take the Laura

571
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,359
fight out of this pay per view or the entire

572
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,920
event top to bottom, including the preliminaries, it was a

573
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:13,759
very good entertaining I enjoyed at thoroughly other than this

574
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:17,519
fucking fight. By the way, sandwiched in between those fucking

575
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,279
ten and a half horrible fucking rounds, he scored a

576
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,640
knockdown against Gonzalez in the first round, so you know

577
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,640
he could do offensive he wanted to, and then he

578
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,039
scored another knockdown in the twelfth round. But all the

579
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:28,920
rest of the fight was fucking Horseshit.

580
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:31,799
Speaker 1: Not good, all right, So Haesus Ramos won the first

581
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,160
fight on the pay per view over Shane Mosley Junior.

582
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,400
Tell me about that, and then you're much more eager

583
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,880
to tell me about the fights that weren't on the

584
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,799
pay per view that had some better action.

585
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: Go ahead, so Ramos, they they fought for your favorite title,

586
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,839
the WBC vacant intern middleway.

587
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: By the last track of how many interim championships we

588
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:49,640
had this.

589
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: Card is actually Laura fought for you know, defended his

590
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,519
full title. As it turnout, all three other fights were

591
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,200
interim titles, although obviously Oshaki and Fulton was supposed to

592
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,480
be for the full title at one thirty. Nonetheless, Ramos

593
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,359
and Moseley fought for the vacant interim title. He's now

594
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,200
in a position, Ramos who gets the decision victory. I

595
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,920
guess he becomes the closer to the Adamis opportunity. Although

596
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,359
at Domas.

597
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,279
Speaker 1: By the way, let's just say this while we're talking

598
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:21,039
about PBC and some of their brilliant moves, Carlos Adamas

599
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,640
is the most entertaining fighter because he fights in this division.

600
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,160
He fought one time at the beginning of this year

601
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,839
and fought a close fight with hams A Charaz that

602
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,799
was ruled to draw. I thought he won. Why was

603
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,079
this guy not on this card fighting one of these

604
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,519
two guys in a title defense That would have made

605
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:39,359
more sense to me?

606
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,039
Speaker 2: But no, not necessarily.

607
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, what we should rather do

608
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,480
is not have him fight at all for the next

609
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,519
ten or twelve months and finish my answer, No, I

610
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:50,839
already know the answer. We would rather have him not

611
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,799
fight for ten or twelve months for whatever the reasons are.

612
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,079
And he goes out of side, out of mind, and

613
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:56,920
that's what's happened.

614
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: They have a mandatory that is due his next fight,

615
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:05,319
the Damas has to be against his mandatory challenger, where

616
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,880
he'll get stripped of the title. That is probably why

617
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,799
he was not on this card.

618
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: Why not fight the mandatory challenger on this.

619
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: Card because he takes two to tango and they had made.

620
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,559
Speaker 1: As opposed to the interim whatever that we had here

621
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:17,240
with Rabel.

622
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,319
Speaker 2: The interim title is not related to the to the

623
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,279
Damas situation. So what you're getting all out of control.

624
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,359
The bottom line is.

625
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,319
Speaker 1: Again again we're gonna get in the weeds. I'm already grouchy.

626
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,559
I'm absolutely related to a Damas's situation because they're planning

627
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,400
to do something with Jesus Ramos now that he's the

628
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,519
interim champ. It's in the same division.

629
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,279
Speaker 2: Jesus Ramos and Shane Moseley is a good match up

630
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:46,039
between a young fighter and Ramos on the rise. A

631
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,880
fighter like Shane Moseley, who was improved, was coming off

632
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,359
of a long layoff but had looked good in his

633
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,720
last fight at Supermit Away by the Way, where he

634
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,240
had a good performance against Daniel Jacobs sent him into retirement.

635
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440
They made this match. I like the match on paper

636
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,160
and turned to be a hell of a fight in

637
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,960
the ring, putting the title nonsense aside. I'm there for entertainment.

638
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,960
I got entertainment for twelve rounds out of Ramos and Mosey.

639
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,359
I learned a lot about both guys. I learned that

640
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,119
Ramos maybe not as good as I thought he was,

641
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,960
but he's still good enough to be to Shane Moseley,

642
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200
I learned that Shane Mosley is probably better than a

643
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,440
lot of us that have give him the credit for.

644
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:20,960
He has a great shin. He takes after his old man,

645
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:22,880
Shane Mosey, one of the best shins you could ask for,

646
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,640
you know, been a tremendous fighter, Hall of famer, and

647
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,160
the only time I think he ever was down to

648
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,759
my recollection was in the first Vernon Forest fight. So

649
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,279
this was a really good fight. Now, in the end,

650
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,480
Shane Moseley just didn't have enough to kind of keep

651
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,799
Ramos off him consistently, and so Ramos wins the fight

652
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,880
one seventeen, one eleven on two cards, one sixteen to

653
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,400
one twelve on the third. But let me tell you something,

654
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,920
every time he thought maybe Moseley's about to get overwhelmed

655
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,359
when Ramos is throwing those right, you know, right hooks

656
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,000
and landing. He's a southpaw, and he was hurting him

657
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,279
a little bit. He showed that that stout chin and

658
00:29:58,359 --> 00:29:59,799
every now and then he would come back and he

659
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:02,599
would put a big glass on Ramos and do some damage.

660
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,440
And Ramos even said after the fight, like, you know,

661
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880
I didn't expect him to be like, be quite like that.

662
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,559
He hurt me a few times. He didn't say that

663
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,000
in those words. I'm sort of paraphrasing it, but that

664
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:13,160
made it a really entertaining fight. And I love the

665
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,680
fact that in his post fight comments when when the

666
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,599
fight was maybe kind of close, as they're getting down

667
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,039
the stretch and he's taken some punishment a little bit,

668
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,079
when the moments when Mosley would come alive, he's thinking,

669
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,759
I'm remembering that close loss that I got ripped off

670
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,160
in against Eric Salubin. I'm gonna find my ass off

671
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,279
because I'm not going to let that happen in this fight.

672
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,680
And that kind of he said motivated him to pick

673
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,480
it up and to get to another gear, and he

674
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,759
was able to do that. So this was kind of like,

675
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,039
you know, he just had that little extra oomph. You know,

676
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,200
he's a decade younger than Shane Junior. You know he's

677
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,400
thirty four Shane and Ramos is twenty four. That makes

678
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,079
a big difference when you get to that level of

679
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,359
the fight. So this was a really good fight. And

680
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,920
if there was any fucking prayer for something in the

681
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,839
middle eight division a, Ramos can probably be part of it.

682
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,799
Speaker 1: Put him in with Carlos Adamis. Moving on.

683
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Carlos Adamas has a mandatory defense. What don't you.

684
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Get Okay, I'm kind of crotchety, what don't you get

685
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,599
that the WBC makes this crap up and changes it

686
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,440
on a whim, and Friday was an example, delivering to

687
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,119
the preliminaries, go.

688
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,519
Speaker 2: For the literally ordered the mandatory at the convention a

689
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:23,200
few days ago.

690
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:29,039
Speaker 1: Beautiful. They make this crap up. They made whatever a

691
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,799
right to the.

692
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,839
Speaker 2: You're a fan of nurse Sir Tomilov, who was the mandatory,

693
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,599
and they said go fuck yourself, putting Shane Mosley in

694
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,039
front of him. You'd be mad about that.

695
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: But what about okay, but what no, no, no, no,

696
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,079
I can't have it both ways. What about the two

697
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:44,839
guys that were since you're gonna go here. What about

698
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,920
the two guys that were supposed to fight for the

699
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,920
interim lightweight title that they both said go screw yourself

700
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,079
and made the fight on Saturday night for the lightweight title.

701
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: That's a question, thank you, But first of all, not

702
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:58,920
until January.

703
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,079
Speaker 1: Go figure that ship, please please for me move on

704
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,880
to move on to preliminaries. We got to get to

705
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,440
Gi up a time. We got to get to Badu Jack.

706
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,119
The preliminaries were much more exciting.

707
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Go all right, well, first of all, in the final

708
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:14,200
free preliminary, it was the return of Frank Martin in

709
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,599
his debut at one hundred and forty pounds. If you remember,

710
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,680
it was a year and a half ago that Frank

711
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Martin put up a good fight but got all absolutely

712
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,559
blasted out eventually by Tank Davis in the lightweight title challenge.

713
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,519
Good fight and a tremendous knockout, and Frank marn hadn't

714
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,960
been heard from since, and he came back in this

715
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,279
card as a one hundred and forty pounder. He took

716
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,119
on the well traveled and sort of elderly Rancis Barthelomy,

717
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,599
who had won world titles at one hundred and thirty

718
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:41,519
and one hundred and thirty five pounds. Was bidding as

719
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,960
always dreamed of and wanted to become the first Cuban

720
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,359
boxer to win a world title in three way classes.

721
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:49,920
That will not happen at this point. He's thirty nine

722
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,599
and he just took TJ one of the most devastating

723
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,119
knockouts you'll see this year. Yep, not quite as devastating

724
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,240
as a knockout we'll talk about with ji Opataiah, but

725
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,160
this was the highlight in terms of the knockouts on

726
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,480
this card because the four fights on the pay per view,

727
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,759
they all went the distance. This was a spectacular fourth

728
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,319
rown knockout. He looked pretty sharp after the layoff. He

729
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:10,960
looked good at the weight. He said, he felt good

730
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,480
at the weight. And if he fights like this against Barthelmy,

731
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,960
who may be old, but I don't think anybody ever

732
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,599
did him like that, and that's still a pretty decent win.

733
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,599
Frank Martin with that type of performance, that type of confidence,

734
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,640
and that type of rejuvenated spirit, I guess, and a

735
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,039
body that looked tremendous. If he can continue to do

736
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,400
this in other fights in this division, as he said,

737
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,319
I'm putting this whole division, you know, on notice, he

738
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:38,880
can make a noise at one hundred and forty tuns.

739
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,640
This was a absolute tj A, just a devastating, devastating knockout, right.

740
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: And then the other two bouts, the junior middlewege Isaac

741
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,839
Lucero victorious, Yeah, yeah, and Luis Nunez tell me about those.

742
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: Well, these were also the other two preliminary fights that

743
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,000
were free, so you didn't even have to order the

744
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,400
pay per view to watch these. He didn't even have

745
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,200
to have a subscription. I don't think the prime to

746
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,000
watch these for free. And you know, these were good fights.

747
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,599
All three of them had entertainment value one hundred percent.

748
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:11,440
Lucero was fighting Roberto Valenzuela, Lucero's these are junia middleweights.

749
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,960
Lucero's twenty seven, he's eighteen and know now with fourteen knockouts.

750
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,480
Valenzuela is more of a journeyman ish but still pretty,

751
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,880
you know, you know, can handle himself, you know, good professional,

752
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,000
thirty one and six now with twenty nine knockouts, actually

753
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,440
younger than Lucero at twenty six years old. And they

754
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,519
went to fucking war. I mean they they did what

755
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,840
Mexican what Mexican fighters do when they you know, in

756
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360
the cliche if you will, they stood and they just

757
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,440
banged it out for ten solid rounds of action. And

758
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,679
this was a just was a terrific fight. I mean,

759
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,800
this was uh, this was a even if you don't

760
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,199
know who they were, because it's not like these guys

761
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,039
had big names, but it was a great fight to

762
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,440
watch it. In the end, Lucero, you know, a bit younger,

763
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,440
a bit stronger, a bit more durable, let's say, uh,

764
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,760
you know, stopped him with a big onslaught at the

765
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,639
end of the eighth round.

766
00:34:58,039 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

767
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: And it was just a terrific fight. And I'd like

768
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,760
to see Lucero take another step up in this weight

769
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,480
class junior middleweight. As we have discussed many times, it's

770
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,880
absolutely loaded. To put a little bit in perspective. Xander

771
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,119
Zyas was the last guy that had defeated Balas well.

772
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:15,960
He had won five fights throw this Issius before he

773
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,840
won the title back in twenty twenty three. He had

774
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,840
suffered a knockout lost to Xander, but like I said,

775
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,119
had won five straight and now get gets clipped by Lucera.

776
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,800
But terrific fight. I would definitely say, if you're in

777
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,480
the mood for a good action fight, go back and

778
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,960
check this out. It doesn't cost anything. And then Nunyas

779
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:34,880
the undefeated young featherweight who's now twenty two and zero,

780
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,159
was fourteen. He takes on Hector Sosa, who had a

781
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,920
few losses. He's like eighteen and four now, I believe. Anyway,

782
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,960
he won a pretty wide decision on two scorecards. One

783
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,400
was much closer at ninety six to ninety four. But again,

784
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,760
it was good action throughout the entire fight, and it

785
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,559
was a good fun little blood, little little good action

786
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,840
back and forth. But Nunyaz being the younger guy, quicker, stronger,

787
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,840
you know, all those things a surprise that he won.

788
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,840
But you know, he basically tattooed so especially down the stretch.

789
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,440
But Sosa he landed some good shots. Good chin. Love

790
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,039
these preliminary fights.

791
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,559
Speaker 1: They were they were definitely more exciting on the whole

792
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,719
than titles. Right, Yeah, that's true. All right. You mentioned

793
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,039
Jai Opataia. We've referenced a couple of times. Devastating, he

794
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:24,199
was controlling the fight, devastating one punch Ko scary Ko

795
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,679
of who sins Sinkarah the opponent born in Germany, lives

796
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,119
in Turkey, hadn't had really uh any notable competition, got

797
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,320
in there with with a guy that is a big

798
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,800
time puncher at cruiserweight who retained his IBF title. All right,

799
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,119
what are your what are your thoughts and what are

800
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:44,000
your thoughts on open?

801
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,039
Speaker 2: Yeah?

802
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: Lineal title? Okay?

803
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 4: Uh?

804
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,079
Speaker 2: And why do you cook the lineal title because you

805
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,760
go more important than the IBF title.

806
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: I got you. You go on and on about the

807
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,119
lineal title. It's great. Still I want to know what

808
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,320
about his performance and what about the future here on this.

809
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: First of all, Sinkara, who came in with zero reputation,

810
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,000
with zero resume, forty years old, although undefeated, but again

811
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,400
against complete nobody's. He touched ji Opataie up early on.

812
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,639
He gave him a bust up eye, and Jai even

813
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,519
said after the fight, like you know, he basically said,

814
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,280
I looked like shit. He was being very hard on himself,

815
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,679
especially against a guy that you figured that he would

816
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,280
put out of there, which he did, but maybe a

817
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,440
lot earlier than eight rounds. So he definitely I think

818
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,360
took some unnecessary punches and and will have something to

819
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,880
go to school on when he gets back in the

820
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,800
gym after this fight, because you know, if he fights

821
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,480
like that early on against guys like a Zerdo Ramirez,

822
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,800
you know, or a David Benavidees or you know, somebody

823
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,239
of that ILK that may be challenging him in the future,

824
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,679
that's not going to be a good look. It's one

825
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:48,280
thing against sin Car, He's not gonna be able to

826
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,159
deal with that as well against those guys who were

827
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,599
much better. But regardless of what happened to him early,

828
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,320
eventually he took over the fight. And when I tell

829
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,960
you he scored, I mean it very well might be

830
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,719
the actual knockout of the ear. I mean, that's how

831
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,960
fuck and scary it was. It was a massive, massive, massive,

832
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,199
massive left hand that he caught him straight on the button.

833
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,639
And when he went back and fell, he fell not

834
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:10,559
only into the ropes but his head. You know, we

835
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:12,239
talked about the double impact. You get hit with the

836
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,519
shot and then you had the canvas. This was almost

837
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,199
worse because he got hit with the shot, his head

838
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,159
bounced off the ropes and then eventually I guess I

839
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:21,159
don't know if it hit the canvas, but it definitely

840
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,639
hit bad off the ropes. He's in the hospital. I

841
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,280
hope he's okay. Sin Car I read some of the

842
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,039
reports out of Australia, which where the fight took place,

843
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:33,360
that he had a fractured neck like like like a yes,

844
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,119
exactly like one of his vertebraes was was was cracked

845
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,480
or broken. He had suffered a small brain blead. Not

846
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:41,159
the kind of guess that was going to put him

847
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,519
in a coma that usually causes the death to fighters,

848
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:48,559
but enough where it was something serious and so hopefully,

849
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:50,960
you know, he recovers from that. Meanwhile, opataia and obviously

850
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,840
not as serious, but you know he had, you know,

851
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,719
the facial damage et cetera from what a curt earlier

852
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,119
in the fight. This was this was a rough fight

853
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,480
for both guys. But sin Car man, he like I

854
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,039
gotta be honest, he probably doesn't never fight again. The

855
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:07,960
combination of the broken neck bone, the potential of the

856
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,559
small brain bleed, and the complete devastation, combined with the

857
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:15,199
fact that he was forty years old, that's the end

858
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:15,480
of his.

859
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,679
Speaker 1: Career when that happens. And by the way the reports

860
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,360
is we're doing this, it's already Monday in Australia, and

861
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,599
I saw one media report in Australia that Opataia told

862
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,000
a media outlet I guess in Australia, or at least

863
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,000
his management did, that there had been concern about a

864
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:34,920
broken eye orbital, but apparently that checked out, so that's

865
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,159
not the case. So who knows.

866
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: He was also swelled up when you see the pictures

867
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,760
of him, or even like when he scored the knockout facially,

868
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:46,079
even though he's the guy that put the other guy

869
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:48,400
to sleep, his face is the one to look worse

870
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,760
than some cars face because of the damage he took

871
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,400
early in the fight. Far as what he's going to

872
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,599
do next, I mean, he's kind of between a rock

873
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,480
and a hard place because he's not getting the unification

874
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,920
fight he wants at the moment, which was against Zero Ramirez,

875
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,880
because his schedule is taken up for the time being.

876
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,599
He's obviously supposed to be fighting in January, and then

877
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,599
he's supposed to be fighting Benavide's in May, and then

878
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,400
who knows what's gonna happen after that, And the one

879
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,159
way he could potentially look for another unification will be

880
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,519
to target like badoo Jack. Maybe he'll come to the

881
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,360
United States to we're going to talk about Jack in

882
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,639
just a minute, he's defending the other cruisewaight, ow, he's

883
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:26,960
the WBC's champions and Jack, as we discussed in the

884
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,679
interview that our listeners will hear in just a minute.

885
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,760
You know, we talked about the fact that he wants

886
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,480
a unification fight also, so he's not making very big

887
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:36,119
money for the fight he's got coming up. He may

888
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,719
be enticed into that type of fight. We'll see.

889
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:45,119
Speaker 1: Perfect segue. Let's hear from the WBC's Cruiserweight Champion.

890
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast this week.

891
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,079
It is the WBC Cruiserweight World Champion. Bad dude, Jack,

892
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,400
That dude, it's been a while since we've talked, but

893
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,000
you have an important fight coming up. You'll be defending

894
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,639
your title in a rematch against Noel McCallion, former champion,

895
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,000
take place December thirteenth at the Ace Mission Studios in

896
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:06,079
Los Angeles. It's the headliner of the Bashed Promotions pay

897
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,079
per view that's going to be avaiable all over. I

898
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,559
was looking at all the places people can see it,

899
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,360
Integrated Sports, PPV, dot Com, Prime Video, Triller TV, so

900
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000
anybody can check it out. So welcome to the show.

901
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,960
Thank you very much for doing this. Thank you appreciate that.

902
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,840
All right, So you have one bad do world titles

903
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,760
at super middleweight, at light heavyweight, and in twenty twenty

904
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,360
three had a very big win, a great knockout victory

905
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:37,440
against Junior Macabu to win this WBC cruiserweight title, and

906
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,639
then I know there was word from the WBC was

907
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,519
discussed at their convention that you were interested to go

908
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,800
up to their newly created bridgerweight division to try to

909
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,320
become a champion. He yet another weight class that did

910
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,960
not happen. There was a lot of back and forth politics,

911
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,719
fights that didn't happen, that fell out, this and that,

912
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:58,360
and then you ended up not fighting for two years.

913
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,440
Can you just briefly explain sort of what was going

914
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,280
on there and the disappointment of not getting that opportunity

915
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,599
and having that very long layoff.

916
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

917
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,639
Speaker 4: So basically at the time, I was with the Skills Challenge,

918
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,360
the other Saudi promoter before Turkey took over, and yeah,

919
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,679
I guess they paid step aside money to the to

920
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,519
the guy that was the mandatory for that title or something.

921
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,960
So they wanted me to become a fourth division champion

922
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,159
and that was a plan against this.

923
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,559
Speaker 3: I think it was a Polish guy.

924
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:35,199
Speaker 4: Then, uh, Saudi politics whatever, the Prince Collett who was

925
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,400
ahead of Skilled challenge. Yeah, they removed in from boxing

926
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,559
or whatever, and uh so that fight never happened, and

927
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:47,039
then uh yeah, a lot of politics been waiting for

928
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:49,920
a fight since then, and uh, I guess they put

929
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,000
me in champion in recess while I was going to

930
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:52,480
move up.

931
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:53,559
Speaker 3: And then.

932
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 4: That's the reason why Michueleam fought for my vacant belt.

933
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,119
And then we was trying to fight him and he

934
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,719
his brother at the WC convention last year, his brother

935
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,159
represented him and they I talked to him and he said, yeah,

936
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,559
let's let's make.

937
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: The fight blah blah blah.

938
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: And then when the Sunday we were supposed to get

939
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,440
over on stage and talk in front of the WBC

940
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,639
and they didn't want that fight. And then Mauricio said,

941
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,920
we're here to solve this situation. You have a mandatory

942
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,320
champion in recess, current champion. This is all a mess,

943
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,840
and you don't want to fight the champion and he's

944
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,960
the biggest name out of all of you guys too,

945
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,800
And then so there so I was like, yeah, whoy

946
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,280
don't I'll fight the mandatory whatever the Canadian guy. Yeah,

947
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,719
so they so they downgraded him back to champion in recess,

948
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,880
and they upgraded me back and then yeah, and.

949
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: Then he got injured. So I so they was like,

950
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,679
who you want to fight?

951
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: I said, because this is a mess with all the

952
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,519
mandatories and champion reason, let me just fight Michael so

953
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,960
I can move on and fight the unification fights.

954
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:07,079
Speaker 3: Well, so you're right, the easier fights. But but I said,

955
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:07,599
give me him.

956
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: You used the perfect word. The WBC cruiserweight title situation

957
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,760
has been an absolute mess, not for the fault of

958
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,880
the fighters so much, but a lot of the scheduling issues, injuries, politics,

959
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:24,719
has But you ultimately had the two year layoff. Yeah,

960
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,280
how frustrating? Was that very very frustrating? Yeah, I mean

961
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,199
I was back on top.

962
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a great fight and everything, and then yeah,

963
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,679
we lost the momentum a little bit, but uh yeah

964
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,559
I'm still here. I'm I've been training super hard ever since.

965
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,559
And uh yeah, now we got that fight. It wasn't

966
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,760
my best fight, but uh I clearly won in my opinion,

967
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,760
and uh it was a close fight.

968
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 3: But but nobody except from his team, you know.

969
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: And thought that was you're you're talking about the fight

970
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,119
that took place this past May. Yeah, in reality, it

971
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,079
was on the undercard when Canelo Alvarez had the headliner

972
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,639
against Williams Skull And like you said, you won. You

973
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,239
won that fight very close. One thing I want to

974
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,159
ask about that, And I find this very fascinating. I've

975
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:13,880
talked to some other fighters who've been in the same

976
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,960
situation because the fight was in Saudi Arabia and they

977
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,920
were doing it to make it more conducive to the

978
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,719
North American time zone where Canelo's fans were. You guys

979
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,679
fought in the middle of the night, which is a

980
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:27,239
weird thing I think for most fighters.

981
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: Actually in morning it was six am or five am something.

982
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right, that was right. What was that like,

983
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,559
just because it was kind of a weird vibe because

984
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,239
it's not like a regular time where you would be

985
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,239
in a boxing match.

986
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the same thing for everybody too, so

987
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,079
so my opponent, everybody that was on the car is weird,

988
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,440
super weird. But yeah, we had to train like fight week,

989
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,480
like at two am, three am.

990
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a little difficult but no excuses.

991
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,559
Speaker 4: We it's a fight, so who cares what time it

992
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,880
is if somebody jumped you on the street, right, take.

993
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 3: What it is. You gotta fight.

994
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,079
Speaker 2: So that's a great way that I never thought about

995
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,000
it like that, but you're right about it. So you

996
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,159
guys had a Yeah, it was a pretty good fight,

997
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,480
but a very close fight, as you mentioned. But in

998
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:12,119
the end, the two judges had the fight one fifteen

999
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,480
to one thirteen for you. The third judge had at

1000
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:19,039
one fourteen one fourteen. You win the majority decision. You

1001
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:20,960
said just a minute ago it wasn't your best fight.

1002
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,199
Could you more uh more assess your performance in that,

1003
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,199
because I've certainly seen you fight better over the years.

1004
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: Now.

1005
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe a little bit of ruing it off and

1006
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,920
uh you know, switch up opponent five in the morning,

1007
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,119
all that stuff. But yeah, he if to me in

1008
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:39,679
the before the twelve round. My coaches are, yeah, all right,

1009
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,639
it's a twelve round last round.

1010
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: It was the last round.

1011
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,119
Speaker 4: It feels like it was like seven eight rounds, like

1012
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,280
a spying session. So it was in Yeah, I was

1013
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,880
definitely not tired and nothing. I didn't push myself. So yeah,

1014
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,280
but but I'm glad that we have the fight again

1015
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,280
so I can show everybody that this guy is not

1016
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,320
on my level. But at the same time wasting time

1017
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,159
and stuff for the big fights.

1018
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:07,079
Speaker 3: But it is what it is.

1019
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: Don King, his promoter appealed, which is crazy, but yeah,

1020
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,559
I guess he's now been a.

1021
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:20,199
Speaker 3: Good friend with the WC but the same thing with me, Mauricia.

1022
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 4: And then they showed me a lot of love and

1023
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,000
I got nothing but respect for them.

1024
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,039
Speaker 2: So you mentioned that he did take the match out

1025
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,119
about three weeks notice because your original opponent, Rosiki Ryan

1026
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:33,159
Rosikie from Canada, had suffered an injury, and so, like

1027
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,920
you said, when the fight was over and it was

1028
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,320
close and they had a very you know, like a

1029
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,320
one point or one round decision to win for you

1030
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,920
on the two cards, they appealed to the WBC to

1031
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,559
ask for a rematch. It was ordered.

1032
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 4: Uh.

1033
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,159
Speaker 2: I know you said you want to, you know, prove

1034
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:47,559
to him that you're the better man. But were you

1035
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:49,719
a little disappointed they ordered the rematch because, like you said,

1036
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,039
time's a waste and there's some other bigger fights out there.

1037
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,400
You had other champions that were looking for other other

1038
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:58,639
unific you know, unification fights and bigger fights themselves, but

1039
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,239
now you're in a position where you have to run

1040
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,519
it back.

1041
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like it's insane to me.

1042
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: Nobody want to see this fight other than you know,

1043
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,880
his teammates, his manager maybe and his family.

1044
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: So nobody want to see that. But now it is

1045
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,079
what it is. We're here.

1046
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:18,559
Speaker 4: But imagine all the time that I've been robbed maybe

1047
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,599
four times from bullshit draws, and with Deguil and Stevenson,

1048
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,039
I never got no rematch, and this is a closed

1049
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:28,239
fight with a no name guy nobody care about, and

1050
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,519
they're going to order remix.

1051
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is what it is.

1052
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,039
Speaker 2: You know, one of the craziest things I have ever

1053
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:38,360
seen in my time I've been covered boxing almost twenty

1054
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,639
six years. They did a person fit for this match,

1055
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,360
this rematch and Dashed Promotions, which is ultimately going to

1056
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,559
be the company that's promoting this pay per view fight,

1057
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,920
and don King his promoter, they did the same amount.

1058
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,199
I've never seen a tai perspeit. I asked Marcy Solomon

1059
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:57,519
from the WBC about that. He said, in all of

1060
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,480
his years in boxing, and he's conducted in been involved

1061
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:03,039
with a thousand perspets, also has never seen a tie,

1062
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:06,000
perspeit both of them been two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1063
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:07,559
Speaker 3: Uh.

1064
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:09,559
Speaker 2: I mean when you heard that, like, did you? I mean,

1065
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,280
you're going to be the answer to a trivia question.

1066
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,679
I think for a long long time. What's the purspid?

1067
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,159
That was a tie? When you heard that? What were

1068
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:17,280
your thoughts? That was wacky?

1069
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:20,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, I mean I didn't even follow it.

1070
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,840
I know this is craning gap money not even so. Yeah,

1071
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,760
it's crazy, but that's the That's what I'm saying. Nobody

1072
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,760
want to see this fight, so the WC would have

1073
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,000
made more money on everybody would have made more money

1074
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,639
fight like a real name.

1075
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,639
Speaker 2: Uh, you know the other champions are you? You're doing this?

1076
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,880
I guess too. You want to preserve your title? Yeah,

1077
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,599
of course you can't make a guy fight. I mean

1078
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:48,000
if you didn't, you know, but if you want to

1079
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,719
keep the belt, you got to do the rematch, right, Yeah?

1080
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 4: No, I want I want to fight. This is not

1081
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,599
that was not like a great performance. I won though

1082
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,599
to me, I clearly won. It was a close fight,

1083
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,800
but it was and like he was holding I was

1084
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,840
the aggressive. I was landing the cleanup punches. I mean, like,

1085
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,039
I don't I don't even understand why.

1086
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:10,159
Speaker 2: So what do you think you learned them from the

1087
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:12,480
first fight that you want to make sure that you

1088
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,480
do better when you face him in this rematch?

1089
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 3: Everything?

1090
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: Everything, I feel like I'm stronger, I'm faster, I'm a

1091
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:24,320
smarter fighter, I have better defense, I have better experience everything,

1092
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:27,719
So yeah, I look better everything.

1093
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,039
Speaker 2: Was there anything that he did in the first fight

1094
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,159
that you feel like he did well or at least

1095
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:34,280
well enough in the eyes of the judges to have

1096
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:34,960
it so close?

1097
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

1098
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 4: He's a consistent he was he was okay, but nothing exceptional.

1099
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,480
He's a he's a decent fighter. But yeah, what I'm

1100
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,239
on my game is it's not going to be no

1101
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:46,800
close fight.

1102
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: You have been a professional, bad dude for a long time.

1103
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,880
Sixteen years. That's a that's a that's a that's a

1104
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,880
long career by any stretch in terms of boxing. What

1105
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,559
kind of goals do you still have? Is it a

1106
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,960
matter of that still you you harbor designs to move

1107
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,239
up and try to win a title in the bridgerweight division.

1108
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:05,639
Is it to unified titles and the cruiserweight division, or

1109
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:06,400
is there something else?

1110
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:12,199
Speaker 4: Definitely unified. Uh, and the cruise of weight. I want

1111
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,559
to become undisputed and and then we'll see.

1112
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,079
Speaker 2: So bridger weight's not so much on your mind anymore,

1113
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:18,800
I guess no.

1114
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: It was just at that time, you know, just to

1115
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:26,760
say you became a champion in for different weight classes,

1116
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,480
you know, and I was actually gonna just gonna go

1117
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,519
beat that guy and then continue at cruiserweight.

1118
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,679
Speaker 2: Okay, So you mentioned about unification fight. So Ji Opataia,

1119
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,519
he is considered the lineal champion, he has the IBF title,

1120
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:41,920
he has a mandatory that's coming up. You have Zerdo

1121
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,800
Ramirez who has two of the belt. The other two

1122
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,920
belts obviously you have the fourth belt. U Zerdo is

1123
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,199
coming off of a surgery. He's at a gonna have

1124
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,360
a tune up fight in January, and then he signed

1125
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,000
to defend against David Denavitez in May. If you could

1126
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:58,199
choose as a unification fight, assuming you do well and

1127
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,159
everything works out for you on Decemer thirteenth, is there

1128
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,199
one of those two that you would most rather fight

1129
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,000
for unification.

1130
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: I mean, look at it two ways.

1131
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:09,599
Speaker 4: I want to fight the guy do they they say

1132
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:11,840
is the best out of them, and it looks like

1133
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,119
they're saying Apataya is the best. But but then again,

1134
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:19,320
also who's bringing the most money? He got a country

1135
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,119
behind him, uh Ramires but uh yeah, like he's busy

1136
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:26,920
with he's actually fighting a guy from my country and

1137
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:28,599
one of my boys, one of my he used to

1138
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:29,400
be my spark Bund.

1139
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 3: He's a good kid, Rob.

1140
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,519
Speaker 2: Far Oh so that's that who? Uh that's who? Uh

1141
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:39,320
zerdo is gonna fight? Come up in January? January?

1142
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he fight benefitters, so so uh, I

1143
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:45,599
guess Opataiah is the only one that's uh gonna be available.

1144
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:47,840
So I would love to fight him. I called him

1145
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,320
out last year. I'm trying to make that fight. We

1146
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,800
did a face off in Saudis so I've been waiting

1147
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,239
for that fight.

1148
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,039
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, neither one of them would probably be

1149
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,639
you know, interesting matchup and obviously a lot of state

1150
00:52:57,679 --> 00:52:59,800
because of the belts and and the fact that you

1151
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,280
are all at the top of the division.

1152
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1153
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: I want to take you back just for a minute,

1154
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,239
because every time your name coming up or I think about,

1155
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,880
but dude, Jack fight, this fight was you know, being

1156
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,760
promoted and getting ready to take place. Take you back

1157
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,519
for a minute. I was ringside of the Barclay Center.

1158
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,280
You had a unification fight. You mentioned James Degall's name

1159
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,400
a little earlier. It was a WBC IBF super middleweight

1160
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,679
unification fight. Uh, you got knocked down in the first round.

1161
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,519
You knocked him down in the twelfth round, and there

1162
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,559
was all kinds of chaos in between. It was one

1163
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,360
of the best fights I can remember being at for

1164
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,320
a very very long time. Just a super a superb fight.

1165
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,519
I think dramatically underrated when when people talk about the

1166
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,639
great fights of of of that era. Uh, what are

1167
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:42,199
your memories of that fight? And why did we never

1168
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:43,760
get the rematching you with James de Gail.

1169
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,519
Speaker 3: I could have made the way. But it was a

1170
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:48,440
great fight. Yeah.

1171
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,679
Speaker 4: Knocked down, it was a flash knock. That was a

1172
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,400
balance shot. My done in the first round. I think

1173
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,480
I knocked out his t yep. I hit the ref

1174
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:02,119
and dropped the ref. It was a crazy by accident,

1175
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,199
right by accident. Yeah, Gavonta Davis became he was Cole Mayne,

1176
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,639
he became a champion.

1177
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: It was good. It was a good night.

1178
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,159
Speaker 2: That was a That was a bonkers fight. Though this

1179
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,760
is back in so people have time reference twenty seventeen.

1180
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Uh one of I think probably one of the best

1181
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,039
supermdal White fights frankly in the history of the division.

1182
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great fight.

1183
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,599
Speaker 4: So yeah, I've struggled to make uh wait for the

1184
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:31,679
fight before that against Luciamboute. So I was like that

1185
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,320
I was gonna almost I couldn't make the way for

1186
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,000
that fight, but I made it, and then I.

1187
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, this is my lift, Let's do the unification.

1188
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,079
Speaker 4: That's my last fight at super middle right and then

1189
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,480
even like heavy, it wasn't easy for me. So yeah,

1190
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,039
that's the reason. But uh yeah after that, he was done.

1191
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,280
After that fight, he lost pretty much, so.

1192
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,039
Speaker 3: He actually camp been almost ten years later.

1193
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah you know who really won that fight. That's a

1194
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,239
good point. He actually came back not that long and

1195
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,679
I think he had a bare knuckle fight.

1196
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: You know in the recent weeks.

1197
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, you are You're forty two years old. Like

1198
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,280
I said, you've been doing this sixteen years. You're still

1199
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,679
on top in terms of being the champion in the

1200
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,800
cruiserweight division. But if you even thought about, like how

1201
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:13,960
much longer do you want to do this? I mean

1202
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,159
it's been a long career. Forty two, not forty three.

1203
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:18,960
I said forty two. Forty two.

1204
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,559
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought to say, I heard it wrong. I

1205
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:22,760
don't know. We'll see.

1206
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: You saw that. To keep training and keep putting yourself

1207
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:27,800
through all the.

1208
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,639
Speaker 4: Struggles, always, always, always, And now that I'm moved up

1209
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:34,440
in Wait, I don't really have to struggle to make

1210
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,360
waight that much. So I feel good. I feel great.

1211
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,840
So we'll see. I take one final at a time.

1212
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:44,199
We'll love to become undisputed, and we'll see.

1213
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,519
Speaker 2: Well it starts with Doell mckellian in the rematch. I

1214
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:50,280
know you want to have a more clear cut victory

1215
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,079
in the second fight than you did in the first fight.

1216
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,719
So I wish you best of luck on December thirteenth.

1217
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,159
And I appreciate you doing this for me. Best of

1218
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:56,599
luck to you.

1219
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,559
Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it. Take care and.

1220
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: Pitching it up off the interview. Give me a little

1221
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,920
more here on Jack and what we're looking forward to.

1222
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,679
Speaker 2: Well, look, their first fight that they fought on this

1223
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:09,960
card back in May and Saudi Arabia was a very

1224
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,599
competitive fight that won't be remembered as the fight of

1225
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:14,400
the year, but it was watchable. You know, it wasn't

1226
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,760
wasn't a bad fight, and to me, it's a matter

1227
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,239
of did they learn from that matchup? You know, did

1228
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,079
he make some adjustments to what mckellian's going to offer him.

1229
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,880
Is mchalian going to be able to do something a

1230
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,800
little bit different? I think the general consensus that McCallion

1231
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,920
came on very strong at the end of the fight

1232
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,039
and maybe was able to pull it out. We'll see if.

1233
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:33,920
But dude, Jackie is in his forties now, can he

1234
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,920
maintain you know, a certain level of wind and fitness

1235
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,239
if the fight gets into those you know, ten, eleven

1236
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,239
and twelve, you know, we shall see. You know, it's

1237
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,760
it's on paper. It should be another competitive fight, it

1238
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,840
seems to me based on what happened in the first fight.

1239
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: All Right, some news and then we will ski daddle.

1240
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,559
Not a surprise, Tyson Fury is on social media and

1241
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:01,840
indicating he's still fighting. Color me not surprised.

1242
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,639
Speaker 2: Dan Rayfield, tell people what I wrote on your rundown.

1243
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: I think you put eleven or fifty three exclamation points

1244
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:15,119
beyond shocking the uh sarcasm dripping off of this. The

1245
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:18,119
only question is when do we see him again? Because

1246
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:20,199
he has been out of the ring for over a

1247
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,840
year now at this point December to December since he

1248
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,519
last fought. When when is he going to be back?

1249
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:27,960
And against whom stay tuned.

1250
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:29,639
Speaker 2: The fact that he's out of the ring for a

1251
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,440
year ish is not necessarily some kind of crazy long layoff.

1252
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:36,800
Whether he's an older fighter or even a younger fighter,

1253
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,239
it's unfortunately that happens these days.

1254
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,679
Speaker 1: Let me say it another way. He's an older fighter

1255
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,039
who's fought two times in the last two and a

1256
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:49,800
half years against Alexander Usik last year. So is he

1257
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,039
going to fight like in the first quarter of this year?

1258
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:54,159
Probably not. So is he fight in April? Is he

1259
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:57,760
fight May? What do we think when is he back again?

1260
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,599
Speaker 2: But that's a good question. I mean, look the first

1261
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:02,719
of all the posts that he put on his social media,

1262
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,039
you know, among the things that he wrote was the

1263
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,440
king must return to his throne and there's a picture

1264
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,199
of him like sitting on the throne and that's furies

1265
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:11,639
get up, you know. When he came in the ring

1266
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,159
in the rematch against Deontay Wilder with the crown and

1267
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:19,039
the whole nine and to validate the thoughts that he's

1268
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,400
coming out of retirement, Queensberry promotions. Frank Warren, their team,

1269
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,760
they posted the same picture. Obviously he's with them, and

1270
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,159
so I think they anticipate he's going to exit his retirement.

1271
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:30,760
To me, it's not so much about when he comes back,

1272
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,159
because they'll figure that out. And maybe I would guess

1273
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:37,280
like in the you know, baby, just before the springtime

1274
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,960
ish that ballpark could be in the spring is who

1275
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,119
does he fight? You know? Is it going to be

1276
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,920
Anthony Joshua? Which is the big one, which is the

1277
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,679
one that Turkey still has, you know, hopes to make. Obviously,

1278
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,719
Joshua's got the Jake Paul fight coming up. I don't

1279
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:55,840
think anybody thinks there's too much issue there. Supposedly Joshua

1280
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,760
was supposed to do another fight in February. Obviously that

1281
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,079
could change that two seconds from now. Now, would the

1282
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:03,800
February fight be Tyson Fury? How I guess that's not

1283
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,559
out of the realm with possibility. If you watch the

1284
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,800
social media of Tyson Fury, he has shown himself even

1285
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,480
though coining to be in retirement, but he still keeps

1286
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:13,599
in shape. He's still been running. He shows himself out

1287
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,440
with his people running his roadwork and you know, going

1288
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,599
to the gym and stuff, So maybe they'll do that

1289
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:22,480
fight for the February time frame, which would coincide roughly

1290
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:24,840
with the end of the READ season. They always they've

1291
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,960
been doing since they've got involved in boxing. READ Season

1292
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,360
and Turkey tried to do a big show at the

1293
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,360
beginning of it to kick off READ season, which was

1294
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,280
one of the fights between Fury and Usik, and they've

1295
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,440
done another big show that's kind of helped close the

1296
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:42,440
month's long festival. Obviously they've done fights in between. So

1297
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:44,079
is it out of the realm that maybe it would

1298
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:48,239
be they would go directly to Fury and Joshua in February.

1299
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,039
I don't know the answer to that. I'm not sure

1300
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,360
if Fury is ready to go to the level of

1301
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,239
actually having a fight. There's a big difference dj between

1302
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,719
having an actual fight and just keep it in condition.

1303
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,960
But the main upshot of this conversation about what he

1304
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:06,599
posted is, to nobody's surprise, unless you're a fucking idiot Tyson,

1305
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:07,760
Fury's probably.

1306
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: Never We never believed it, and he is going to

1307
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,199
fight again, and it's just a matter of against whom

1308
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:13,280
and what does he have left is the bigger question,

1309
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,639
because it appeared that Usik took a lot out of

1310
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,760
him in both those fights, and he is older. Stay tuned.

1311
01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:22,039
Two other items, Uh, there was going to be a

1312
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,239
purse bid for Callum Smith and David Morrell for the

1313
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:31,039
WBO Dear God Raphael Interim light heavyweight title. However that's

1314
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:33,320
not going to be the case. That's because the fighters

1315
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,559
have reached an agreement. Right, So now how we're going

1316
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,320
to see that? They seem to have reached an agreement,

1317
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,800
So how soon could we see this coming up?

1318
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: The next fight for these guys is what it will be.

1319
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,760
I mean they went there their teams, which is in

1320
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,960
the case of in the in the case of David

1321
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,480
Morell's PBC and Warriors Boxing, and in the uh in

1322
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:57,159
the case of Callen Smith you're talking about uh, I

1323
01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:00,639
believe it's Eddie Hearn, and they went to the WBO

1324
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:03,199
and said we have a deal. Now we always can

1325
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:05,719
piss on interim titles. This is actually one of those

1326
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:08,199
interim titles that makes sense because the reason why an

1327
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:11,719
interim titles should be utilized in any particular case is

1328
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,840
when the champion is actually injured and out for the

1329
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,039
amount of time that they're not sure about so Dmitri

1330
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:19,039
b People, of course, is the unified champion, has the

1331
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:23,280
WBO title, but he's out for several months recovering from

1332
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,159
his back surgery. Nobody knows quite sure when he's going

1333
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:28,039
to be back, and I've heard it as early as February,

1334
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,880
but it could be much deeper into the spring. And

1335
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,400
so they're going to allow that to happen, and you know,

1336
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,400
business will keep on rolling. But the main thing is

1337
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,039
Collen Smith against David Morrell is a pretty damn good fight.

1338
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,559
Dalla Smith is like the old warhorse, still going along

1339
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,679
doing his thing. David Morrell's coming off the one very close,

1340
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,840
I thought terrific fight against Katiev that took place on

1341
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,800
the card that was this past summer, on the ring

1342
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,599
card that was in the Tennis Center in Queens, New York.

1343
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,360
And so they're going to fight for that interim title

1344
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,199
and that's a heck of a fight. Now, the exact

1345
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:57,400
timing of it is not clear, but I would imagine

1346
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,840
based on the rules of typical purse bits. You're talking about,

1347
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,159
so time within the first like you know, three months

1348
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:05,079
or so of the new year, first quartersh of the

1349
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:07,400
new year, and that's a good matchup, and I would

1350
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,880
imagine while it could probably headline its own card, given

1351
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,920
the types of shows these folks have all been putting on,

1352
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,800
it probably finds itself on like on a card that

1353
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,280
adds depth to a big show, and it'll be a

1354
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,880
good fight in my opinion.

1355
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: All Right, stay tuned for Morell and Callum Smith and

1356
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:26,880
the we've been We've made reference a couple of times,

1357
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,719
Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua coming up here in a couple

1358
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,039
of weeks, and the US Olympian from the twenty twenty

1359
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:36,360
four team, Jamal Harvey is now going to be on

1360
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:37,840
that card. Tell me more.

1361
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the better young prospects in boxing.

1362
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,320
He's only got one professional fight so far, but as

1363
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,519
an amateur he looked outstanding to me. He was one

1364
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:48,440
of the guys that I watched among the United States

1365
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,639
Olympians where when you watch, like, man, this guy maybe

1366
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,320
looks like he could be a good professional. He's he's

1367
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,719
only he's a junior linweight number one hundred and thirty pounder.

1368
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:02,280
He was supposed to fight back when Jake Paul and

1369
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,119
Tank Davis were supposed to fight, when that fight was

1370
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,159
called off and then they went and they made the

1371
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:10,960
Anthony Joshua fight in its place. They took some of

1372
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,119
those fights from that show and they added them immediately

1373
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,920
to the new date, which is the one that's coming

1374
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,679
up later in December. But for whatever reason, the Harvey

1375
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:21,519
fight was not added to that card. They've now rescheduled

1376
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:25,199
his fight against a fighter named Kevin Servantes who's five

1377
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:28,719
to oh with five knockouts from Columbia. They've rescheduled his

1378
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,119
fight to now be the opening fight of the main

1379
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:35,239
card on Joshua versus Paul. So MVP, who signed Harvey

1380
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,039
out of the Olympics, very high on him, understandably why

1381
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:40,280
he looked good inness first fight that took. You know,

1382
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,639
he's wan to know. Like I said, he looked goodness

1383
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:44,920
pro debut, and now they're going to get him a

1384
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,559
lot of eyeballs because a lot of people are going

1385
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:49,639
to be watching Jake Paul against Anthony Joshua, and he

1386
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,039
is if you have hopes for the future at one

1387
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,519
hundred and thirty pounds or just American boxing in general,

1388
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:56,880
you know, Jamal Harvey is a good looking young fighter.

1389
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,239
Actually comes from not too far from our island. He's

1390
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,880
from Oxon Hill, Maryland, which is just over the river

1391
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:05,639
into Maryland from where I live in Virginia. And uh,

1392
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,000
there's a lot of good boxing over there, people. Uh,

1393
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:10,760
I got some good gyms over there. And I'm excited

1394
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,400
to see this kid to follow the journey, because it's

1395
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,280
one thing for a guy to become a champion or

1396
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,239
perhaps pound for pound or a superstar. But the fun

1397
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,119
part is to watch the journey unfold how it's going

1398
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:22,039
to go, and I'm I'm very excited to watch the

1399
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:23,039
development of this young kid.

1400
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: All good on that, All right, So there's a pretty

1401
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,719
full recap of everything that went on with the PBC

1402
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,559
on Prime Hurst pay per view. As it turns out,

1403
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:36,199
I guess with all the problems and all the mess

1404
01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:36,639
they had.

1405
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: Turned out to be a good card though DJ let's

1406
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:38,760
not be such a.

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Speaker 1: The pay perview itself, but the preliminaries might have been

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pretty good.

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Speaker 2: So the problem the roach, the roach.

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Speaker 1: Main event was exciting and it ended up unfulfilling. I'll

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use that word to close.

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Speaker 2: Just let me run this down. Main event was an

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excellent fight with no winner, But again that's got nothing

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to do with the promoter or anything that goes. You

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got entertainment out of it. The opening fight between Shane

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Mosey and Ramos was a terrific fight, and even though

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the Oshaki Foster Stephen Fulton maybe it was not a

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scintillating fight, it was a beautiful performance from Sposter. I

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totally enjoyed that. Like, if you're gonna see a fight,

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I'd rather see a guy dominate and look really good

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than just the lackluster or shit fight that nyway, So was.

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Speaker 1: The Laura fight?

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, So if I'm not going to get action

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packed Fulton versus Foster, at least the second best thing

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is to see a beautiful performance for a guy who

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really elevates himself. And then Laura fight was dog show.

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We know that, but look I would take three out

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of four being pretty damn good.

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Speaker 1: Uh all right, let's do this.

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Speaker 2: Let's regroup with Rain on the sideline. Really got you

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down tonight?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just it's been a day, but we got

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the recap in here. We heard from Badu Jack. He's

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in the main event in LA for later this week,

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So we'll be back with a preview pod later on

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01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,599
in this week. Again, find our YouTube page as well.

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We're gonna get to the Jake, Paul, Anthony, Joshua. We'll

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,360
fight week as well. We'll probably we're trying to iron

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01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,719
out how we work out special coverage around that fight

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on the YouTube page as well as the podcast feed.

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For now, have a good week, mister Raphael, and to

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the peakaper out there, I am merely TJ Reeves. That's

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01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,400
big Dan Rayfield. Fight preach Unite is the substack. Go

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01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:16,199
get on it, Go be subscribed. Up the newsletter as well,

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01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:18,719
and you'll be listening to the Fight preach Unite Recap

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