Speaker 1: All right, off of an eventful weekend in San Antonio
where well, I mean, let's just say it was bizarre
on so many levels, and then unfulfilling in the main
event as well, because it was the winner once again
for Lamont Roach. His twenty twenty five will be marked
down as didn't win, didn't lose despite having two huge fights.
We're ready to recap everything that went on in the
PBC on Prime main event, plus Jai Opataia another big
knockout defending his Cruise Away title. We're going to recap
all of it. We've got a world champ on the
program in Badu Jack. He's back in action in a
rematch fight coming this coming Saturday, December thirteenth. We're ready
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Big Dan falter badly and lose to the awful New
Orleans Saints and got soaking wet while doing it. I
finally dried out after like three hours of this. But
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to sweet science with you. How are you as we
come off of this weekend.
Speaker 2: I'll say, for me as a football fan, this was
a very good day because the Giants couldn't lose because
they had the right and without losing, I saw because
of a combination of some other teams that were winners today.
So may the Giants are now in pole position for
the number one.
Speaker 1: D without having played because Tennessee actually won a game
this weekend to help them in that regard. All right,
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as well. All right, So I said a couple of
editorial things at the very beginning, this was just a
bizarre situation with Jennabeca lim canoolly flunking a ped test.
He's off the card. We're gonna get into the whole
thing with Steven Fulton missing weight against Oshaki Foster, and
then we get a main event with no winner Raphael
in the end. All right, so let's begin right there.
Let's begin right there with Lamont Roach and Isaac Pittbull Cruise,
which was a competitive fight, but I use the word unfulfilling.
What would you say, go ahead.
Speaker 2: That's fair. I thought it was a really good fight.
I mean it was putting the result aside. If you
didn't have a particular rooting interest, which I didn't have
a particular rooting interest. You just want to see a
good fight, and it was a good fight, and it
was controversial because you name a draw in the history
of boxing that's not somewhat controversial. I mean, they're always
like that, but I didn't think this was even though
I personally had Lamont Roach winning the fight one fifteen
to one eleven. And let's keep in mind that there
was a point deduction from Pitbull for holding. There was
a knockdown that Pitbull scored against Roach where he forced
him to put his glove down on the canvas. So
they each had a ten eight round or should have
you know they had a point. Let's say it didn't.
The point deduction didn't necessarily mean a ten eight round.
Point is each guy had one point, and it was
they were offsetting. So that's how I got one fifteen
to one eleven. One judge had a one fifteen to
one eleven in favor of pit Bull Cruise. The other
two judges had at one thirteen to one thirteen, so
it's not the most how land is draw. I didn't
think that pit Bull did enough. Maybe they just thought
he did better in the first half of the fight,
because I thought Roach really pretty much after like the
fifth or sixth round, totally dominated really except maybe the
eleventh round. But it was a very good fight. I mean,
if you bought the pay per view, you were entertained,
no doubt about it. They put on a heck of
a fight. Roach stood in the pocket. He didn't. You know,
he's a good boxer, that's his forte and we all
know the pressure about Pitt Bull Cruise just comes in
their wing and punch us from all over the place.
But the big thing was that Lamont Roach did similarly,
maybe even maybe even to a more extent, stood in
the pocket and fought the guy. He didn't he didn't
box and move. Now he did start to box and
move a little bit more when we didn't know this
at the time, and he actually did not mention it.
If you're watching the pay per view and saw the
post fight interview. I watched the postfight press conference that
came on that was on YouTube.
Speaker 3: After the fact.
Speaker 2: He broke his hand, he said in round five, and
it was after that that he really couldn't. He still
tried to throw it and he wasn't using it. As
an excuse. He literally said, I did everything else. So
it was just the fact of what happened, right, I'm
not blaming that for the draw. But the point was
he had made the decision he was gonna bang with
the guy to a degree, and once he could not
really use that right hand very much, he decided to
box more. He used his left hook really effectively, and
it was almost like counterintuitive. I guess where he's at
his best when he's boxing, but he decided to fight,
and when he really couldn't do that as well as
he wanted to do, he started to box more and
it worked for him because he had Pitbull backing up.
He was laying in nice jabs, he was laying right hands.
I mean, he was bigger than Pitbull, he was longer
than Pitbull. His defense is better than Pitbull. I just
thought he won the fight because he you know, he
might have lost in those early rounds. Sure, he came
on like gangbusters after the second, you know, in the
second half, and you know, what, can I say? It
was interesting?
Speaker 1: It was close interesting that on the two cards that
ended up being a draw because I read my ray
Field substack and I went and looked at your social media,
and you had the cards there that both of those
judges had Roach up by a point entering the twelfth round.
All three judges gave Cruise the twelfth round and that
gave you the draw. So again Lamont Roach didn't have
a way to know that. But it's just interesting. I mean,
the one judge again had I.
Speaker 2: Disagree with that by the way. I mean, I think
you can get pitbulled the eleventh round. I gave Lamont
Roach the twelfth round, and I saw some of people
saying that they did the same thing. It was. It
was close, but it was even though all three judges
gave it to him. It wasn't like it was a
landslide or it was an easy decision, however you want
to look at it. I just felt like that when
you put it into perspective of how he got robbed
in the in the Davis fight because of the non
knockdown call, and then to do what he did against Cruz.
Remember he's moving up another way class. He fought, he
was he fought this fight at one forty, He fought
the Tank fight at one thirty five. Prior to that,
he you know, he defended his title at one thirty
incidentally by entering the ring in this one forty interim
title fight as Pitt Bull is defending his WBC belt
one hundred and forty pound interim belt Tank Davis, not
Tank Davis, but Lamar Roach was stripped by the WBA
of the one hundred and thirty pound title and James Dickens,
who had been the interim champion, suddenly is now the
full champion again. Not James Dickens's fault, but he's you know,
he's basically like the others that have taken the ir
You know, people will probably refer to him as an
email champion. Not fair, but that's just the life we
live in now in boxing, where you can just be
elevated with a stroke of a you know, a keyboard
when you get your email or a text to your
manager or something like that. It's kind of ridiculous. But nonetheless,
he looked good at one forty Lamar Roach. I mean,
he's not a guy that looked out of his depths.
At one hundred and forty pounds, he was bigger than
the guy. He'll do just fine against other fighters in
that way class. He could if he wants to go
to one thirty five if there was a right fight.
I was just disappointed he didn't get the call because
I felt his.
Speaker 1: Line a couple of times was I can't get a
fair shake and he and he's right. In the end,
he didn't. He didn't end up getting the decision a
second time here. You know, what's funny to see what
the future is with the injured hand.
Speaker 2: So the funny thing is when you see draws like that,
usually one guy's got a quarrel about this or that.
In this particular case, you had Lamar Roach saying I
can't get a fair shake, and yet Pitbull Cruz rallying
against the referee James Green for taking away the point
from him, which to me was totally warranted. He had
been warm, he was leading with his head, he was
doing all kinds of shit, and you know, he had
been worn for the for the excessive holding. Every single
time there was a an exchange at some point, like
after about the third or fourth round, he would fall
into a clinch every single time, practically, and the ref
did warn him, and he finally, when it was so blatant,
you know, he docked him a point. He really didn't
have a choice. I didn't think James Green did a
badge with that point deduction, So Pitbull can cry all
he wants when he goes back and looks at her.
He asked his people to be honest with him. They'll say, listen,
he shouldn't have been olden so much. It made for
a few messy rounds, although overall the fight itself was
very pleasing to watch. So the point deduction was totally legit.
And by the way, the knockdown, he landed a great shot.
It totally rocked Lamont Roach and knocked him way off balance,
but he didn't go all the way down on the campus.
He just touched his glove down because he was stumbling.
But if you want to know, in an eleven year
professional career, that is the first time that there's ever
been a knockdown ruled against Lamont Roach VI it that
it was glove touching or literally on the campus or whatever.
And the best of my knowledge from what Laman says anyway,
never down in the amateur ranks either. I mean, this
is a guy with a good chin. In fact, when
we did the interview on the podcast prior to his
fight against Tank Davis, we discussed the fact he was
going in there with a big puncher moving up in wait,
and you know he wasn't really that worried, he said,
because I have a great chin, and he showed it again.
Speaker 1: All right, so again no winner.
Speaker 2: Well, they're talking about a rematch. That was the thing.
They were both saying they'd like to do a rematch.
I would be I'd be happy with the rematch.
Speaker 1: Well, and you have a compelling reason, go, you know,
pick it up where it left off with the thirteenth
round and see if you get more action and get
a winner this time around for that coming up. All right,
You and I I've been waiting to do this. You
and I love to go round and round. So we
put the pod to bed, the preview pod Thursday night
into Friday, and I get a text from Rayphael on
Friday afternoon because I'm doing a couple of other things. Hey,
guess what, Stephen Fulton is two pounds overweight. I went, wait, minute, wait,
he's saying, Stephen Fulton is two pounds overweight. Fulton is
the guy moving up in weight to fight oh shaky Foster,
and he's still two pounds above the limit. That's what
four pounds above where he was fighting before.
Speaker 2: As my good buddy TJ. Reese would say, he was
two exits.
Speaker 1: Tax on the highway. He had too much Thanksgiving turkey.
Speaker 2: And either way I think, okay, he looked like it too. Okay,
Now I'm not one to talk, but I'm not a fighter.
Speaker 1: But that is, my friend, That is only the beginning
of what went on Friday. You can describe it as Shenanigan's.
You can describe it as BS, which I don't say.
You can describe it as a walking billboard for what
ZUFA boxing and the reform that they want, or at
least to attempt to reform to whatever degree it's going
to benefit them business wise. What the WBC did after
this is indefensible, So let's go for it.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, but.
Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten into what's indefensible. But give me
your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Talking about what you mentioned about ZUFA Boxing. They're not
doing this to reform boxing, okay, so if it was there,
but they're doing it for their own benefits.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, in their own financial reason. What they're
saying is it's a corrupt, broken system, which we all
know and We're at least gonna to a degree get
it under control, to whatever motive and to whatever degree
we don't know. But anyway, all right, so when Fulton
is two pounds overweight, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: All right? So Fulton is the WBC featherweight champion. He's
moving up to the to challenge O'shaki Foster, who was
a WBC junior lightweight champion, moving up one weight class.
Totally normal for one champion to go up to the
next weight class to challenge the champion in that division.
We could cite thousand reasons. You know, guys that have
done that. Usually, though, the guy moving up, as you mentioned,
is not the one. If there's somebody that's gonna missweight,
that the guy that's moving up is the one that missweight.
So he missed the weight by the two pounds. Remember
they did the morning weight check or another weight check.
But the way in and what people may have seen
later in the day on the YouTube channels and such
on social media, that was the ceremonial way in. So
when they when PBC found out he was two pounds
over now, I talked to some of the guys at PBC.
They were kind of Black blindsided by this. They didn't
know he was going to be over. Like a lot
of times, if a guy is struggling like Ward gets them,
you know he's gonna miss weight, or he's this or that.
Some of those people were pretty shocked and surprised that
he was not on weight. So that happened, and then
now you got to deal with Shoshaki Foster. Are we
gonna do the fight? Are we going to make a deal?
What are we doing? His management was very aggressive and
what they were asking for. There was some discussion and
some things that came from PBC back to the Yoshaki
Fosters idea, you want to play hard ball, you know,
we'll drop you from the fight and we'll go fight
some guy they had on the undercard against Stephen Fulton.
And the way they were able to get it worked
out eventually was they went to the WBC, not the
other way around, and said, hey, we know this was
supposed to be your one hundred thirty pound championship fight.
Would you make available the one hundred and thirty five pound
intern title fight and we can get this done. Even
though Oshaki Foster was right on one hundred and thirty
pounds which is the weight limit. But Fulton was won
thirty tips.
Speaker 1: So clarify who went to the WBC because I didn't quite.
Speaker 2: Cash PBC went to the WBC.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what about O'shaki Foster in all of this
because he as a championship at one thirty. The other
guy missed weight. The other guy didn't drain himself to
get to one thirty. Obviously, I mean to me, uh this,
this whole thing stinks.
Speaker 2: You can small, I hear you, but what pell listen
Once you hit the weigh in and you're the day
before the fight, the only goal and thought in the
mind of any matchmaker or promoter is let's save the
fight by any means necessary. And the way that they
could save this fight was to go and get the
WBC to sanction for their interim title. We can piss
on it all we want. It deserves to be pissed on.
I get it, but that is what helps save the fight.
The WBC and I am not excusing some of the
things they do with the interim titles, but they looked
at their at people they work with all the time.
With the Oshaki Foster's been their champion with Stephen Fulton
has been their champion, who incidentally didn't deserve to be
for the WBC interim title, because you're basically rewarding a
guy for missing weight. But man, I totally get so.
Speaker 1: Why so just just clarify again, Why did the WBC
go along with this when Foster was on weight and
he is their champion. Why didn't they say back to
Premiere Boxing Champions if a deal can't be worked out,
there is no fight. This guy's are champ at one
thirty and he's on way again.
Speaker 2: This is not me my opinion, This is this is
what Mauricio Suliman posts on his social media. They you know,
we made the determination that in order to salvage that
I'm paraphrasing, to salvage this fight, which had already been
postponed twice, guys had trained through two camps to make
sure that the fight happened, which would be of assistance
to the promotion, which would be of assistance to the
pay per view, and would obviously get the two fighters
paid who hadn't been paid in a while because two postponements.
They determined, Okay, we'll go along with it, We'll sank
in it for the interim title. Obviously they're going to
reap a sanction fee from it, the same way they
would have had the original fight taken place. It's not
a perfect situation. I'm just telling you what.
Speaker 1: You're giving me the facts, and now I'm going to
give you this opinion.
Speaker 2: That's why this is.
Speaker 1: Where they have no credibility whatsoever when this crap goes
on of we're just gonna make stuff up. The guy
missed weight. If I was O shaky Foster, I would
have said to PBC, you know what, I'm gonna call
your bluff, go ahead and put Stephen Fulton in the
main event with whoever you're gonna doyer view.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the main event, well no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: The co feature. In the co feature, put him in
there and let's go and watch it.
Speaker 2: So it's easy to Monday Morning quarterback that when you're
a shaky Foster and you're about to get paid. I
don't know his exact purse, but I would have to
say in the half a million dollar range, and you
haven't made a dime in a long time, and you've
trained your fucking ass off for two months, you know
what easier fucking thing come.
Speaker 1: Then come to some kind of agreement with PBC on
whatever whatever I get.
Speaker 2: The fight for the interim title was what the agreement was.
Speaker 1: But okay, but again to me, you should have held
firm and just said, this is what normally goes on.
What normally goes on is he's got to pay me
more of his purse.
Speaker 2: He did. He did have to pay a bit.
Speaker 1: He can't win my title. We're not calling it the
vacant lightweight title.
Speaker 2: Again, whatever it is. But here here's the bottom line.
So now that o Shaki Foster has won the fight
and he has the interim title, he has fifteen days
to tell the WBC, I'm going to keep the interim
title or I'm gonna go back to lightweight and maintain
my my junior lightweight title. So his his one thirty
title was not going to be at stake. Stephen Fulton,
who thatck knows if he's ever going to go back
to one twenty six. But again, because that title was
not at stake either, he still has the one hundred
and twenty six pound title. That's totally normal. That's the
same situation we discussed when, forgam when a Navarrete fought
at lightweight and lost, and he decided their return.
Speaker 1: Except, of course, when the WBA stripped Lamont Roach when
he got in the ring.
Speaker 2: No, that's different. That was the same scenario that happened
when Canelo Alvarez or I would rather when Terrence Crawford
lost one of his welterweight titles when he stepped in
the ring against Canelo. That's a normal thing, that is
not in any way unreasonable for a guy who's moving
up in wait, who hasn't made a mandatory in a
long time to be you know, have that bell vacated.
Speaker 1: Well, we didn't cover this, but Foster dominated the fight. Oh.
He outlanded Stephen Fulton like one hundred and ninety or
whatever to fifty in the fight. It was a one
sided fight. Listens good on all Shaky Foster.
Speaker 2: Oh, shaky Foster looked as good as he's ever looked
in his entire career. He went, in my opinion, every
single round one hundred and twenty to one oh eighth.
I actually am pissed off that one judge actually had
the fucking audacity to give Stephen Fulton three rounds. All
I can see you giving him one round because that
was a close opening round. All three judges happened to
give the first round to Fulton. I was on the
on the edge about who I'm giving that round to.
I did give it to Foster, So if you want
to tell me you gave him round one, I can
live with that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then one of the other judges, also, I have
no idea how gave him like the ninth round. So
that was the judge. It had him winning two of
the rounds. And then another judge actually gave him like
round one, round three, and round four and had had
Foster losing after the fourth round. I mean, what are
we doing here, as you that was kind of ridiculous,
But that was a brilliant performance with most Shackie Foster,
who's had some inconsistencies, to put it nicely, that was
a brilliant display. I think he looked good at that weight.
But also you have to take into account the fact
that Steven Fulton, you know, had a beer belly. I mean,
he did not look like a guy that would like
than thirty plus pounds. I mean he was coming up
and wait, he looked disinterested. I think it got to
a point where he was mentally broken at some point
in that fight where he's like, you know, let me
just see if I can get to the final bell.
He never landed TJ in twelve full rounds. He never
landed like a legitimately solid, like telling shot of any kind.
Not to say Foster was knocking it out, but you
know what, when the fight was over, as Noah's was bleeding,
Fulton his eye was puffed up, he was taking shots.
I mean the amount of punishment he doled out, even
if he didn't knock him down, ry thing was pretty significant.
You mentioned him at the punch dats. Foster landed one
hundred and ninety one of six hundred punches. Stephen Fulton
in a twelve round fight landed fifty six of four
hundred and thirty eight.
Speaker 1: He had.
Speaker 2: Foster outlanded Stephen Fulton in eleven of the twelve rounds.
The only round that they that he didn't outlandhim in
was in the opening round where they both landed five punches.
So and Stephen Fulton never landed double digits the whole
fight in any round now mostly ever landing was eight
and one particular round and in the eleventh and twelve
rounds where you think, okay, maybe I can just go
for it. If I'm going to have any prayer, maybe
try to do something dramatic. In the eleventh and twelfth
round combined, he only landed six total punches. This was
as one sided as you can see in a championship
level fight as that I've seen in a long time.
I mean, I had thoughts of, like, you know, the
fight out was I was winky, right, Felix Trinidad s yeah,
that sense. I mean, I don't know where Fulton goes
from here. I mean he certainly devast.
Speaker 1: They used the word disinterested earlier. Certainly by the ninth
and the tenth round he had nothing and it really
was an anti climactic back half of that fight to
Foster for handling his business. And now we see what
he does well.
Speaker 2: The Thiat's going to be the interesting question. So, like
I said, he's got the fifteen days to make the determination.
He looked like the best one hundred and thirty pounder
in the world after that fight. But does he stay
or one hundred and thirty five? He looked really good.
Does he go back to one thirty? Does he does he?
You know which is now you're talking about the Nunyez
is fighting Navarette in a unification fight. That's his top
rank stablemate. In the terms of Navarette against Nunyez, is
there a possibility to fight the winner? He says he
wants to fight Shakur Stevenson. That's the guy he was
calling out. They got some kind of beef going on.
But of course Shakor is fighting at one hundred and
forty in his next fight coming up at the end
of January, and it remains to be seen if he
wins or loses whatever happens in that fight, does he
go back to one thirty five. If he did go
back to one thirty five, is even a fight that
Shagar would be interested in? Is a makeable? There's a
lot of ifs about that, so we shall see. But
one thing is O'shaki Foster raised his stock in a
big way. He fought a crowd pleasing fight. He boxed beautifully,
he came in great condition. I mean, he did as
well as you could possibly do other than get the knockout.
But in some ways it was almost better than them.
He's just absolutely fucking embarrassed Eve who just didn't even show.
Speaker 1: Up all right, And then the other two fights. As
we mentioned Jana Beck, we knew this ped violation out
of what would have been a unified middleweight world title fight.
Eras Landy Laura won largely a dull, one sided fight
over Johan Gonzalez, the late replacement. Anything of a note
to say other than that as Laura had forty two,
finally fought again for the first time in like a
year and a half, anything else.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Laura is forty two, the oldest guy
in the business in terms of a world champion. To
his credit, he didn't look like he was forty two.
I mean, he's still in good shape. He still has
his skills, he still has his quality defense when he
decides to step on it offensively, he can still do
a lot of things. And that's exactly what drives me
absolutely bonkers about Erslandi Laara. It is what drove me
absolutely bonkers again about Girmo Riggingdal. These guys have such
a men's talent, and but what drives me absolutely crazy,
what pisses me off to no end, is that you're
in there with a guy overmatch so his opponent you'll on.
Gonzasku obviously was a late replacement when Jannabeck was bounced out.
He had been training though he was on standby, so
he knew that there was a chance he was gonna fight.
He gave a great effort, He did everything he could,
but you could just see the levels are different. He does.
He was slow, Lara saw every punch coming. All he
could do was maybe throw the big over overhand looping
right hand. Never was going to touch him because his
quickness is still there to avoid that punch. So he tried,
but he was just out class. So what drives me
nuts is that Lara knows this. And I am never
suggesting that you should stick your chin out and take
punishment for no reason and get yourself into a brawl
and be dumb about it whatever. But there is also
a fine line. No, no, you're in a boxing match
that's supposed to be entertainment also, and you have this
man completely under control, you could on recklessly take a
step forward and try to do something on offense and
at least give it a go. Okay, It's kind of
like what your course Stevenson did against the Peida. He
stayed very responsible on defense, but he's in the pocket.
He moved his head, he slipped a lot of punches,
did not take punishment, and won a very crowd pleasing
fight in the in the style that he fought. That's
exactly the kind of thing Laura can do, because Lara
has been in some good fights, but by and large,
they've been horrible, and this was another example. This was
one of the worst fights I have ever seen. He won.
I thought he won twelve to zero basically, I mean,
it was a complete whitewash. But he refused to even
for a millisecond take any any kind of offensive uh
move on the front foot type of let me see
if I can probe him and get in a good
shot other than just a jab. It was nothing but
jab right hand and not even a hard right hand,
just you know, touch.
Speaker 1: The score points when.
Speaker 2: It's basically what he was doing. So he won the fight,
but he didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it only makes you think of what
might have been if janebec who could punch and stronger,
would have been in there. But he screwed that up.
So this paper view was almost cursed, almost cursed from
the time we found that.
Speaker 2: This ruins like the notion that Crawford would maybe go
to middleweight, because you know, if janebec had been the winner,
or let's say Laura had won in a good fight.
Now at least there might be the notion that that
could happen. But Janebek is now out of the picture.
He's probably gonna be stripped and suspended and whatever. You
can't sell fucking Crawford against Lara in a million years.
Carlos the damas. I mean, that's an okay fight, but
he's largely unknown and he's going to have a mandatory
that's due anyway. I mean not to say they couldn't
potentially get around that, I guess, but is you know,
after all the WBC, But I don't think they're looking
to do Terrence Crawford any favors at this moment. Point
is middleweight is fucking dead to me right now. I mean,
it's really sad, and this fight personified just how fucking
red ass that division is because you had a champion
that's a really good fighter and has been for a
long time who just absolutely refuses to do anything to
give the crowd even a smidgeon of entertainment value so
he can still fight. I don't disregard the abilities, but
I don't to fucking watch it as the bottom line,
and when you take out if you take the Laura
fight out of this pay per view or the entire
event top to bottom, including the preliminaries, it was a
very good entertaining I enjoyed at thoroughly other than this
fucking fight. By the way, sandwiched in between those fucking
ten and a half horrible fucking rounds, he scored a
knockdown against Gonzalez in the first round, so you know
he could do offensive he wanted to, and then he
scored another knockdown in the twelfth round. But all the
rest of the fight was fucking Horseshit.
Speaker 1: Not good, all right, So Haesus Ramos won the first
fight on the pay per view over Shane Mosley Junior.
Tell me about that, and then you're much more eager
to tell me about the fights that weren't on the
pay per view that had some better action.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, so Ramos, they they fought for your favorite title,
the WBC vacant intern middleway.
Speaker 1: By the last track of how many interim championships we
had this.
Speaker 2: Card is actually Laura fought for you know, defended his
full title. As it turnout, all three other fights were
interim titles, although obviously Oshaki and Fulton was supposed to
be for the full title at one thirty. Nonetheless, Ramos
and Moseley fought for the vacant interim title. He's now
in a position, Ramos who gets the decision victory. I
guess he becomes the closer to the Adamis opportunity. Although
at Domas.
Speaker 1: By the way, let's just say this while we're talking
about PBC and some of their brilliant moves, Carlos Adamas
is the most entertaining fighter because he fights in this division.
He fought one time at the beginning of this year
and fought a close fight with hams A Charaz that
was ruled to draw. I thought he won. Why was
this guy not on this card fighting one of these
two guys in a title defense That would have made
more sense to me?
Speaker 2: But no, not necessarily.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, what we should rather do
is not have him fight at all for the next
ten or twelve months and finish my answer, No, I
already know the answer. We would rather have him not
fight for ten or twelve months for whatever the reasons are.
And he goes out of side, out of mind, and
that's what's happened.
Speaker 2: They have a mandatory that is due his next fight,
the Damas has to be against his mandatory challenger, where
he'll get stripped of the title. That is probably why
he was not on this card.
Speaker 1: Why not fight the mandatory challenger on this.
Speaker 2: Card because he takes two to tango and they had made.
Speaker 1: As opposed to the interim whatever that we had here
with Rabel.
Speaker 2: The interim title is not related to the to the
Damas situation. So what you're getting all out of control.
The bottom line is.
Speaker 1: Again again we're gonna get in the weeds. I'm already grouchy.
I'm absolutely related to a Damas's situation because they're planning
to do something with Jesus Ramos now that he's the
interim champ. It's in the same division.
Speaker 2: Jesus Ramos and Shane Moseley is a good match up
between a young fighter and Ramos on the rise. A
fighter like Shane Moseley, who was improved, was coming off
of a long layoff but had looked good in his
last fight at Supermit Away by the Way, where he
had a good performance against Daniel Jacobs sent him into retirement.
They made this match. I like the match on paper
and turned to be a hell of a fight in
the ring, putting the title nonsense aside. I'm there for entertainment.
I got entertainment for twelve rounds out of Ramos and Mosey.
I learned a lot about both guys. I learned that
Ramos maybe not as good as I thought he was,
but he's still good enough to be to Shane Moseley,
I learned that Shane Mosley is probably better than a
lot of us that have give him the credit for.
He has a great shin. He takes after his old man,
Shane Mosey, one of the best shins you could ask for,
you know, been a tremendous fighter, Hall of famer, and
the only time I think he ever was down to
my recollection was in the first Vernon Forest fight. So
this was a really good fight. Now, in the end,
Shane Moseley just didn't have enough to kind of keep
Ramos off him consistently, and so Ramos wins the fight
one seventeen, one eleven on two cards, one sixteen to
one twelve on the third. But let me tell you something,
every time he thought maybe Moseley's about to get overwhelmed
when Ramos is throwing those right, you know, right hooks
and landing. He's a southpaw, and he was hurting him
a little bit. He showed that that stout chin and
every now and then he would come back and he
would put a big glass on Ramos and do some damage.
And Ramos even said after the fight, like, you know,
I didn't expect him to be like, be quite like that.
He hurt me a few times. He didn't say that
in those words. I'm sort of paraphrasing it, but that
made it a really entertaining fight. And I love the
fact that in his post fight comments when when the
fight was maybe kind of close, as they're getting down
the stretch and he's taken some punishment a little bit,
when the moments when Mosley would come alive, he's thinking,
I'm remembering that close loss that I got ripped off
in against Eric Salubin. I'm gonna find my ass off
because I'm not going to let that happen in this fight.
And that kind of he said motivated him to pick
it up and to get to another gear, and he
was able to do that. So this was kind of like,
you know, he just had that little extra oomph. You know,
he's a decade younger than Shane Junior. You know he's
thirty four Shane and Ramos is twenty four. That makes
a big difference when you get to that level of
the fight. So this was a really good fight. And
if there was any fucking prayer for something in the
middle eight division a, Ramos can probably be part of it.
Speaker 1: Put him in with Carlos Adamis. Moving on.
Speaker 2: Carlos Adamas has a mandatory defense. What don't you.
Speaker 1: Get Okay, I'm kind of crotchety, what don't you get
that the WBC makes this crap up and changes it
on a whim, and Friday was an example, delivering to
the preliminaries, go.
Speaker 2: For the literally ordered the mandatory at the convention a
few days ago.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. They make this crap up. They made whatever a
right to the.
Speaker 2: You're a fan of nurse Sir Tomilov, who was the mandatory,
and they said go fuck yourself, putting Shane Mosley in
front of him. You'd be mad about that.
Speaker 1: But what about okay, but what no, no, no, no,
I can't have it both ways. What about the two
guys that were since you're gonna go here. What about
the two guys that were supposed to fight for the
interim lightweight title that they both said go screw yourself
and made the fight on Saturday night for the lightweight title.
Speaker 2: That's a question, thank you, But first of all, not
until January.
Speaker 1: Go figure that ship, please please for me move on
to move on to preliminaries. We got to get to
Gi up a time. We got to get to Badu Jack.
The preliminaries were much more exciting.
Speaker 2: Go all right, well, first of all, in the final
free preliminary, it was the return of Frank Martin in
his debut at one hundred and forty pounds. If you remember,
it was a year and a half ago that Frank
Martin put up a good fight but got all absolutely
blasted out eventually by Tank Davis in the lightweight title challenge.
Good fight and a tremendous knockout, and Frank marn hadn't
been heard from since, and he came back in this
card as a one hundred and forty pounder. He took
on the well traveled and sort of elderly Rancis Barthelomy,
who had won world titles at one hundred and thirty
and one hundred and thirty five pounds. Was bidding as
always dreamed of and wanted to become the first Cuban
boxer to win a world title in three way classes.
That will not happen at this point. He's thirty nine
and he just took TJ one of the most devastating
knockouts you'll see this year. Yep, not quite as devastating
as a knockout we'll talk about with ji Opataiah, but
this was the highlight in terms of the knockouts on
this card because the four fights on the pay per view,
they all went the distance. This was a spectacular fourth
rown knockout. He looked pretty sharp after the layoff. He
looked good at the weight. He said, he felt good
at the weight. And if he fights like this against Barthelmy,
who may be old, but I don't think anybody ever
did him like that, and that's still a pretty decent win.
Frank Martin with that type of performance, that type of confidence,
and that type of rejuvenated spirit, I guess, and a
body that looked tremendous. If he can continue to do
this in other fights in this division, as he said,
I'm putting this whole division, you know, on notice, he
can make a noise at one hundred and forty tuns.
This was a absolute tj A, just a devastating, devastating knockout, right.
Speaker 1: And then the other two bouts, the junior middlewege Isaac
Lucero victorious, Yeah, yeah, and Luis Nunez tell me about those.
Speaker 2: Well, these were also the other two preliminary fights that
were free, so you didn't even have to order the
pay per view to watch these. He didn't even have
to have a subscription. I don't think the prime to
watch these for free. And you know, these were good fights.
All three of them had entertainment value one hundred percent.
Lucero was fighting Roberto Valenzuela, Lucero's these are junia middleweights.
Lucero's twenty seven, he's eighteen and know now with fourteen knockouts.
Valenzuela is more of a journeyman ish but still pretty,
you know, you know, can handle himself, you know, good professional,
thirty one and six now with twenty nine knockouts, actually
younger than Lucero at twenty six years old. And they
went to fucking war. I mean they they did what
Mexican what Mexican fighters do when they you know, in
the cliche if you will, they stood and they just
banged it out for ten solid rounds of action. And
this was a just was a terrific fight. I mean,
this was uh, this was a even if you don't
know who they were, because it's not like these guys
had big names, but it was a great fight to
watch it. In the end, Lucero, you know, a bit younger,
a bit stronger, a bit more durable, let's say, uh,
you know, stopped him with a big onslaught at the
end of the eighth round.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it was just a terrific fight. And I'd like
to see Lucero take another step up in this weight
class junior middleweight. As we have discussed many times, it's
absolutely loaded. To put a little bit in perspective. Xander
Zyas was the last guy that had defeated Balas well.
He had won five fights throw this Issius before he
won the title back in twenty twenty three. He had
suffered a knockout lost to Xander, but like I said,
had won five straight and now get gets clipped by Lucera.
But terrific fight. I would definitely say, if you're in
the mood for a good action fight, go back and
check this out. It doesn't cost anything. And then Nunyas
the undefeated young featherweight who's now twenty two and zero,
was fourteen. He takes on Hector Sosa, who had a
few losses. He's like eighteen and four now, I believe. Anyway,
he won a pretty wide decision on two scorecards. One
was much closer at ninety six to ninety four. But again,
it was good action throughout the entire fight, and it
was a good fun little blood, little little good action
back and forth. But Nunyaz being the younger guy, quicker, stronger,
you know, all those things a surprise that he won.
But you know, he basically tattooed so especially down the stretch.
But Sosa he landed some good shots. Good chin. Love
these preliminary fights.
Speaker 1: They were they were definitely more exciting on the whole
than titles. Right, Yeah, that's true. All right. You mentioned
Jai Opataia. We've referenced a couple of times. Devastating, he
was controlling the fight, devastating one punch Ko scary Ko
of who sins Sinkarah the opponent born in Germany, lives
in Turkey, hadn't had really uh any notable competition, got
in there with with a guy that is a big
time puncher at cruiserweight who retained his IBF title. All right,
what are your what are your thoughts and what are
your thoughts on open?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Lineal title? Okay?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: And why do you cook the lineal title because you
go more important than the IBF title.
Speaker 1: I got you. You go on and on about the
lineal title. It's great. Still I want to know what
about his performance and what about the future here on this.
Speaker 2: First of all, Sinkara, who came in with zero reputation,
with zero resume, forty years old, although undefeated, but again
against complete nobody's. He touched ji Opataie up early on.
He gave him a bust up eye, and Jai even
said after the fight, like you know, he basically said,
I looked like shit. He was being very hard on himself,
especially against a guy that you figured that he would
put out of there, which he did, but maybe a
lot earlier than eight rounds. So he definitely I think
took some unnecessary punches and and will have something to
go to school on when he gets back in the
gym after this fight, because you know, if he fights
like that early on against guys like a Zerdo Ramirez,
you know, or a David Benavidees or you know, somebody
of that ILK that may be challenging him in the future,
that's not going to be a good look. It's one
thing against sin Car, He's not gonna be able to
deal with that as well against those guys who were
much better. But regardless of what happened to him early,
eventually he took over the fight. And when I tell
you he scored, I mean it very well might be
the actual knockout of the ear. I mean, that's how
fuck and scary it was. It was a massive, massive, massive,
massive left hand that he caught him straight on the button.
And when he went back and fell, he fell not
only into the ropes but his head. You know, we
talked about the double impact. You get hit with the
shot and then you had the canvas. This was almost
worse because he got hit with the shot, his head
bounced off the ropes and then eventually I guess I
don't know if it hit the canvas, but it definitely
hit bad off the ropes. He's in the hospital. I
hope he's okay. Sin Car I read some of the
reports out of Australia, which where the fight took place,
that he had a fractured neck like like like a yes,
exactly like one of his vertebraes was was was cracked
or broken. He had suffered a small brain blead. Not
the kind of guess that was going to put him
in a coma that usually causes the death to fighters,
but enough where it was something serious and so hopefully,
you know, he recovers from that. Meanwhile, opataia and obviously
not as serious, but you know he had, you know,
the facial damage et cetera from what a curt earlier
in the fight. This was this was a rough fight
for both guys. But sin Car man, he like I
gotta be honest, he probably doesn't never fight again. The
combination of the broken neck bone, the potential of the
small brain bleed, and the complete devastation, combined with the
fact that he was forty years old, that's the end
of his.
Speaker 1: Career when that happens. And by the way the reports
is we're doing this, it's already Monday in Australia, and
I saw one media report in Australia that Opataia told
a media outlet I guess in Australia, or at least
his management did, that there had been concern about a
broken eye orbital, but apparently that checked out, so that's
not the case. So who knows.
Speaker 2: He was also swelled up when you see the pictures
of him, or even like when he scored the knockout facially,
even though he's the guy that put the other guy
to sleep, his face is the one to look worse
than some cars face because of the damage he took
early in the fight. Far as what he's going to
do next, I mean, he's kind of between a rock
and a hard place because he's not getting the unification
fight he wants at the moment, which was against Zero Ramirez,
because his schedule is taken up for the time being.
He's obviously supposed to be fighting in January, and then
he's supposed to be fighting Benavide's in May, and then
who knows what's gonna happen after that, And the one
way he could potentially look for another unification will be
to target like badoo Jack. Maybe he'll come to the
United States to we're going to talk about Jack in
just a minute, he's defending the other cruisewaight, ow, he's
the WBC's champions and Jack, as we discussed in the
interview that our listeners will hear in just a minute.
You know, we talked about the fact that he wants
a unification fight also, so he's not making very big
money for the fight he's got coming up. He may
be enticed into that type of fight. We'll see.
Speaker 1: Perfect segue. Let's hear from the WBC's Cruiserweight Champion.
Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast this week.
It is the WBC Cruiserweight World Champion. Bad dude, Jack,
That dude, it's been a while since we've talked, but
you have an important fight coming up. You'll be defending
your title in a rematch against Noel McCallion, former champion,
take place December thirteenth at the Ace Mission Studios in
Los Angeles. It's the headliner of the Bashed Promotions pay
per view that's going to be avaiable all over. I
was looking at all the places people can see it,
Integrated Sports, PPV, dot Com, Prime Video, Triller TV, so
anybody can check it out. So welcome to the show.
Thank you very much for doing this. Thank you appreciate that.
All right, So you have one bad do world titles
at super middleweight, at light heavyweight, and in twenty twenty
three had a very big win, a great knockout victory
against Junior Macabu to win this WBC cruiserweight title, and
then I know there was word from the WBC was
discussed at their convention that you were interested to go
up to their newly created bridgerweight division to try to
become a champion. He yet another weight class that did
not happen. There was a lot of back and forth politics,
fights that didn't happen, that fell out, this and that,
and then you ended up not fighting for two years.
Can you just briefly explain sort of what was going
on there and the disappointment of not getting that opportunity
and having that very long layoff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So basically at the time, I was with the Skills Challenge,
the other Saudi promoter before Turkey took over, and yeah,
I guess they paid step aside money to the to
the guy that was the mandatory for that title or something.
So they wanted me to become a fourth division champion
and that was a plan against this.
Speaker 3: I think it was a Polish guy.
Speaker 4: Then, uh, Saudi politics whatever, the Prince Collett who was
ahead of Skilled challenge. Yeah, they removed in from boxing
or whatever, and uh so that fight never happened, and
then uh yeah, a lot of politics been waiting for
a fight since then, and uh, I guess they put
me in champion in recess while I was going to
move up.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 4: That's the reason why Michueleam fought for my vacant belt.
And then we was trying to fight him and he
his brother at the WC convention last year, his brother
represented him and they I talked to him and he said, yeah,
let's let's make.
Speaker 3: The fight blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And then when the Sunday we were supposed to get
over on stage and talk in front of the WBC
and they didn't want that fight. And then Mauricio said,
we're here to solve this situation. You have a mandatory
champion in recess, current champion. This is all a mess,
and you don't want to fight the champion and he's
the biggest name out of all of you guys too,
And then so there so I was like, yeah, whoy
don't I'll fight the mandatory whatever the Canadian guy. Yeah,
so they so they downgraded him back to champion in recess,
and they upgraded me back and then yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Then he got injured. So I so they was like,
who you want to fight?
Speaker 4: I said, because this is a mess with all the
mandatories and champion reason, let me just fight Michael so
I can move on and fight the unification fights.
Speaker 3: Well, so you're right, the easier fights. But but I said,
give me him.
Speaker 2: You used the perfect word. The WBC cruiserweight title situation
has been an absolute mess, not for the fault of
the fighters so much, but a lot of the scheduling issues, injuries, politics,
has But you ultimately had the two year layoff. Yeah,
how frustrating? Was that very very frustrating? Yeah, I mean
I was back on top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a great fight and everything, and then yeah,
we lost the momentum a little bit, but uh yeah
I'm still here. I'm I've been training super hard ever since.
And uh yeah, now we got that fight. It wasn't
my best fight, but uh I clearly won in my opinion,
and uh it was a close fight.
Speaker 3: But but nobody except from his team, you know.
Speaker 2: And thought that was you're you're talking about the fight
that took place this past May. Yeah, in reality, it
was on the undercard when Canelo Alvarez had the headliner
against Williams Skull And like you said, you won. You
won that fight very close. One thing I want to
ask about that, And I find this very fascinating. I've
talked to some other fighters who've been in the same
situation because the fight was in Saudi Arabia and they
were doing it to make it more conducive to the
North American time zone where Canelo's fans were. You guys
fought in the middle of the night, which is a
weird thing I think for most fighters.
Speaker 3: Actually in morning it was six am or five am something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right, that was right. What was that like,
just because it was kind of a weird vibe because
it's not like a regular time where you would be
in a boxing match.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the same thing for everybody too, so
so my opponent, everybody that was on the car is weird,
super weird. But yeah, we had to train like fight week,
like at two am, three am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a little difficult but no excuses.
Speaker 4: We it's a fight, so who cares what time it
is if somebody jumped you on the street, right, take.
Speaker 3: What it is. You gotta fight.
Speaker 2: So that's a great way that I never thought about
it like that, but you're right about it. So you
guys had a Yeah, it was a pretty good fight,
but a very close fight, as you mentioned. But in
the end, the two judges had the fight one fifteen
to one thirteen for you. The third judge had at
one fourteen one fourteen. You win the majority decision. You
said just a minute ago it wasn't your best fight.
Could you more uh more assess your performance in that,
because I've certainly seen you fight better over the years.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe a little bit of ruing it off and
uh you know, switch up opponent five in the morning,
all that stuff. But yeah, he if to me in
the before the twelve round. My coaches are, yeah, all right,
it's a twelve round last round.
Speaker 2: It was the last round.
Speaker 4: It feels like it was like seven eight rounds, like
a spying session. So it was in Yeah, I was
definitely not tired and nothing. I didn't push myself. So yeah,
but but I'm glad that we have the fight again
so I can show everybody that this guy is not
on my level. But at the same time wasting time
and stuff for the big fights.
Speaker 3: But it is what it is.
Speaker 4: Don King, his promoter appealed, which is crazy, but yeah,
I guess he's now been a.
Speaker 3: Good friend with the WC but the same thing with me, Mauricia.
Speaker 4: And then they showed me a lot of love and
I got nothing but respect for them.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned that he did take the match out
about three weeks notice because your original opponent, Rosiki Ryan
Rosikie from Canada, had suffered an injury, and so, like
you said, when the fight was over and it was
close and they had a very you know, like a
one point or one round decision to win for you
on the two cards, they appealed to the WBC to
ask for a rematch. It was ordered.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I know you said you want to, you know, prove
to him that you're the better man. But were you
a little disappointed they ordered the rematch because, like you said,
time's a waste and there's some other bigger fights out there.
You had other champions that were looking for other other
unific you know, unification fights and bigger fights themselves, but
now you're in a position where you have to run
it back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like it's insane to me.
Speaker 4: Nobody want to see this fight other than you know,
his teammates, his manager maybe and his family.
Speaker 3: So nobody want to see that. But now it is
what it is. We're here.
Speaker 4: But imagine all the time that I've been robbed maybe
four times from bullshit draws, and with Deguil and Stevenson,
I never got no rematch, and this is a closed
fight with a no name guy nobody care about, and
they're going to order remix.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: You know, one of the craziest things I have ever
seen in my time I've been covered boxing almost twenty
six years. They did a person fit for this match,
this rematch and Dashed Promotions, which is ultimately going to
be the company that's promoting this pay per view fight,
and don King his promoter, they did the same amount.
I've never seen a tai perspeit. I asked Marcy Solomon
from the WBC about that. He said, in all of
his years in boxing, and he's conducted in been involved
with a thousand perspets, also has never seen a tie,
perspeit both of them been two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean when you heard that, like, did you? I mean,
you're going to be the answer to a trivia question.
I think for a long long time. What's the purspid?
That was a tie? When you heard that? What were
your thoughts? That was wacky?
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, I mean I didn't even follow it.
I know this is craning gap money not even so. Yeah,
it's crazy, but that's the That's what I'm saying. Nobody
want to see this fight, so the WC would have
made more money on everybody would have made more money
fight like a real name.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know the other champions are you? You're doing this?
I guess too. You want to preserve your title? Yeah,
of course you can't make a guy fight. I mean
if you didn't, you know, but if you want to
keep the belt, you got to do the rematch, right, Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I want I want to fight. This is not
that was not like a great performance. I won though
to me, I clearly won. It was a close fight,
but it was and like he was holding I was
the aggressive. I was landing the cleanup punches. I mean, like,
I don't I don't even understand why.
Speaker 2: So what do you think you learned them from the
first fight that you want to make sure that you
do better when you face him in this rematch?
Speaker 3: Everything?
Speaker 4: Everything, I feel like I'm stronger, I'm faster, I'm a
smarter fighter, I have better defense, I have better experience everything,
So yeah, I look better everything.
Speaker 2: Was there anything that he did in the first fight
that you feel like he did well or at least
well enough in the eyes of the judges to have
it so close?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: He's a consistent he was he was okay, but nothing exceptional.
He's a he's a decent fighter. But yeah, what I'm
on my game is it's not going to be no
close fight.
Speaker 2: You have been a professional, bad dude for a long time.
Sixteen years. That's a that's a that's a that's a
long career by any stretch in terms of boxing. What
kind of goals do you still have? Is it a
matter of that still you you harbor designs to move
up and try to win a title in the bridgerweight division.
Is it to unified titles and the cruiserweight division, or
is there something else?
Speaker 4: Definitely unified. Uh, and the cruise of weight. I want
to become undisputed and and then we'll see.
Speaker 2: So bridger weight's not so much on your mind anymore,
I guess no.
Speaker 4: It was just at that time, you know, just to
say you became a champion in for different weight classes,
you know, and I was actually gonna just gonna go
beat that guy and then continue at cruiserweight.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you mentioned about unification fight. So Ji Opataia,
he is considered the lineal champion, he has the IBF title,
he has a mandatory that's coming up. You have Zerdo
Ramirez who has two of the belt. The other two
belts obviously you have the fourth belt. U Zerdo is
coming off of a surgery. He's at a gonna have
a tune up fight in January, and then he signed
to defend against David Denavitez in May. If you could
choose as a unification fight, assuming you do well and
everything works out for you on Decemer thirteenth, is there
one of those two that you would most rather fight
for unification.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at it two ways.
Speaker 4: I want to fight the guy do they they say
is the best out of them, and it looks like
they're saying Apataya is the best. But but then again,
also who's bringing the most money? He got a country
behind him, uh Ramires but uh yeah, like he's busy
with he's actually fighting a guy from my country and
one of my boys, one of my he used to
be my spark Bund.
Speaker 3: He's a good kid, Rob.
Speaker 2: Far Oh so that's that who? Uh that's who? Uh
zerdo is gonna fight? Come up in January? January?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he fight benefitters, so so uh, I
guess Opataiah is the only one that's uh gonna be available.
So I would love to fight him. I called him
out last year. I'm trying to make that fight. We
did a face off in Saudis so I've been waiting
for that fight.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, neither one of them would probably be
you know, interesting matchup and obviously a lot of state
because of the belts and and the fact that you
are all at the top of the division.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to take you back just for a minute,
because every time your name coming up or I think about,
but dude, Jack fight, this fight was you know, being
promoted and getting ready to take place. Take you back
for a minute. I was ringside of the Barclay Center.
You had a unification fight. You mentioned James Degall's name
a little earlier. It was a WBC IBF super middleweight
unification fight. Uh, you got knocked down in the first round.
You knocked him down in the twelfth round, and there
was all kinds of chaos in between. It was one
of the best fights I can remember being at for
a very very long time. Just a super a superb fight.
I think dramatically underrated when when people talk about the
great fights of of of that era. Uh, what are
your memories of that fight? And why did we never
get the rematching you with James de Gail.
Speaker 3: I could have made the way. But it was a
great fight. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Knocked down, it was a flash knock. That was a
balance shot. My done in the first round. I think
I knocked out his t yep. I hit the ref
and dropped the ref. It was a crazy by accident,
right by accident. Yeah, Gavonta Davis became he was Cole Mayne,
he became a champion.
Speaker 3: It was good. It was a good night.
Speaker 2: That was a That was a bonkers fight. Though this
is back in so people have time reference twenty seventeen.
Uh one of I think probably one of the best
supermdal White fights frankly in the history of the division.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great fight.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I've struggled to make uh wait for the
fight before that against Luciamboute. So I was like that
I was gonna almost I couldn't make the way for
that fight, but I made it, and then I.
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, this is my lift, Let's do the unification.
Speaker 4: That's my last fight at super middle right and then
even like heavy, it wasn't easy for me. So yeah,
that's the reason. But uh yeah after that, he was done.
After that fight, he lost pretty much, so.
Speaker 3: He actually camp been almost ten years later.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know who really won that fight. That's a
good point. He actually came back not that long and
I think he had a bare knuckle fight.
Speaker 3: You know in the recent weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, you are You're forty two years old. Like
I said, you've been doing this sixteen years. You're still
on top in terms of being the champion in the
cruiserweight division. But if you even thought about, like how
much longer do you want to do this? I mean
it's been a long career. Forty two, not forty three.
I said forty two. Forty two.
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought to say, I heard it wrong. I
don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 2: You saw that. To keep training and keep putting yourself
through all the.
Speaker 4: Struggles, always, always, always, And now that I'm moved up
in Wait, I don't really have to struggle to make
waight that much. So I feel good. I feel great.
So we'll see. I take one final at a time.
We'll love to become undisputed, and we'll see.
Speaker 2: Well it starts with Doell mckellian in the rematch. I
know you want to have a more clear cut victory
in the second fight than you did in the first fight.
So I wish you best of luck on December thirteenth.
And I appreciate you doing this for me. Best of
luck to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it. Take care and.
Speaker 1: Pitching it up off the interview. Give me a little
more here on Jack and what we're looking forward to.
Speaker 2: Well, look, their first fight that they fought on this
card back in May and Saudi Arabia was a very
competitive fight that won't be remembered as the fight of
the year, but it was watchable. You know, it wasn't
wasn't a bad fight, and to me, it's a matter
of did they learn from that matchup? You know, did
he make some adjustments to what mckellian's going to offer him.
Is mchalian going to be able to do something a
little bit different? I think the general consensus that McCallion
came on very strong at the end of the fight
and maybe was able to pull it out. We'll see if.
But dude, Jackie is in his forties now, can he
maintain you know, a certain level of wind and fitness
if the fight gets into those you know, ten, eleven
and twelve, you know, we shall see. You know, it's
it's on paper. It should be another competitive fight, it
seems to me based on what happened in the first fight.
Speaker 1: All Right, some news and then we will ski daddle.
Not a surprise, Tyson Fury is on social media and
indicating he's still fighting. Color me not surprised.
Speaker 2: Dan Rayfield, tell people what I wrote on your rundown.
Speaker 1: I think you put eleven or fifty three exclamation points
beyond shocking the uh sarcasm dripping off of this. The
only question is when do we see him again? Because
he has been out of the ring for over a
year now at this point December to December since he
last fought. When when is he going to be back?
And against whom stay tuned.
Speaker 2: The fact that he's out of the ring for a
year ish is not necessarily some kind of crazy long layoff.
Whether he's an older fighter or even a younger fighter,
it's unfortunately that happens these days.
Speaker 1: Let me say it another way. He's an older fighter
who's fought two times in the last two and a
half years against Alexander Usik last year. So is he
going to fight like in the first quarter of this year?
Probably not. So is he fight in April? Is he
fight May? What do we think when is he back again?
Speaker 2: But that's a good question. I mean, look the first
of all the posts that he put on his social media,
you know, among the things that he wrote was the
king must return to his throne and there's a picture
of him like sitting on the throne and that's furies
get up, you know. When he came in the ring
in the rematch against Deontay Wilder with the crown and
the whole nine and to validate the thoughts that he's
coming out of retirement, Queensberry promotions. Frank Warren, their team,
they posted the same picture. Obviously he's with them, and
so I think they anticipate he's going to exit his retirement.
To me, it's not so much about when he comes back,
because they'll figure that out. And maybe I would guess
like in the you know, baby, just before the springtime
ish that ballpark could be in the spring is who
does he fight? You know? Is it going to be
Anthony Joshua? Which is the big one, which is the
one that Turkey still has, you know, hopes to make. Obviously,
Joshua's got the Jake Paul fight coming up. I don't
think anybody thinks there's too much issue there. Supposedly Joshua
was supposed to do another fight in February. Obviously that
could change that two seconds from now. Now, would the
February fight be Tyson Fury? How I guess that's not
out of the realm with possibility. If you watch the
social media of Tyson Fury, he has shown himself even
though coining to be in retirement, but he still keeps
in shape. He's still been running. He shows himself out
with his people running his roadwork and you know, going
to the gym and stuff, So maybe they'll do that
fight for the February time frame, which would coincide roughly
with the end of the READ season. They always they've
been doing since they've got involved in boxing. READ Season
and Turkey tried to do a big show at the
beginning of it to kick off READ season, which was
one of the fights between Fury and Usik, and they've
done another big show that's kind of helped close the
month's long festival. Obviously they've done fights in between. So
is it out of the realm that maybe it would
be they would go directly to Fury and Joshua in February.
I don't know the answer to that. I'm not sure
if Fury is ready to go to the level of
actually having a fight. There's a big difference dj between
having an actual fight and just keep it in condition.
But the main upshot of this conversation about what he
posted is, to nobody's surprise, unless you're a fucking idiot Tyson,
Fury's probably.
Speaker 1: Never We never believed it, and he is going to
fight again, and it's just a matter of against whom
and what does he have left is the bigger question,
because it appeared that Usik took a lot out of
him in both those fights, and he is older. Stay tuned.
Two other items, Uh, there was going to be a
purse bid for Callum Smith and David Morrell for the
WBO Dear God Raphael Interim light heavyweight title. However that's
not going to be the case. That's because the fighters
have reached an agreement. Right, So now how we're going
to see that? They seem to have reached an agreement,
So how soon could we see this coming up?
Speaker 2: The next fight for these guys is what it will be.
I mean they went there their teams, which is in
the case of in the in the case of David
Morell's PBC and Warriors Boxing, and in the uh in
the case of Callen Smith you're talking about uh, I
believe it's Eddie Hearn, and they went to the WBO
and said we have a deal. Now we always can
piss on interim titles. This is actually one of those
interim titles that makes sense because the reason why an
interim titles should be utilized in any particular case is
when the champion is actually injured and out for the
amount of time that they're not sure about so Dmitri
b People, of course, is the unified champion, has the
WBO title, but he's out for several months recovering from
his back surgery. Nobody knows quite sure when he's going
to be back, and I've heard it as early as February,
but it could be much deeper into the spring. And
so they're going to allow that to happen, and you know,
business will keep on rolling. But the main thing is
Collen Smith against David Morrell is a pretty damn good fight.
Dalla Smith is like the old warhorse, still going along
doing his thing. David Morrell's coming off the one very close,
I thought terrific fight against Katiev that took place on
the card that was this past summer, on the ring
card that was in the Tennis Center in Queens, New York.
And so they're going to fight for that interim title
and that's a heck of a fight. Now, the exact
timing of it is not clear, but I would imagine
based on the rules of typical purse bits. You're talking about,
so time within the first like you know, three months
or so of the new year, first quartersh of the
new year, and that's a good matchup, and I would
imagine while it could probably headline its own card, given
the types of shows these folks have all been putting on,
it probably finds itself on like on a card that
adds depth to a big show, and it'll be a
good fight in my opinion.
Speaker 1: All Right, stay tuned for Morell and Callum Smith and
the we've been We've made reference a couple of times,
Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua coming up here in a couple
of weeks, and the US Olympian from the twenty twenty
four team, Jamal Harvey is now going to be on
that card. Tell me more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the better young prospects in boxing.
He's only got one professional fight so far, but as
an amateur he looked outstanding to me. He was one
of the guys that I watched among the United States
Olympians where when you watch, like, man, this guy maybe
looks like he could be a good professional. He's he's
only he's a junior linweight number one hundred and thirty pounder.
He was supposed to fight back when Jake Paul and
Tank Davis were supposed to fight, when that fight was
called off and then they went and they made the
Anthony Joshua fight in its place. They took some of
those fights from that show and they added them immediately
to the new date, which is the one that's coming
up later in December. But for whatever reason, the Harvey
fight was not added to that card. They've now rescheduled
his fight against a fighter named Kevin Servantes who's five
to oh with five knockouts from Columbia. They've rescheduled his
fight to now be the opening fight of the main
card on Joshua versus Paul. So MVP, who signed Harvey
out of the Olympics, very high on him, understandably why
he looked good inness first fight that took. You know,
he's wan to know. Like I said, he looked goodness
pro debut, and now they're going to get him a
lot of eyeballs because a lot of people are going
to be watching Jake Paul against Anthony Joshua, and he
is if you have hopes for the future at one
hundred and thirty pounds or just American boxing in general,
you know, Jamal Harvey is a good looking young fighter.
Actually comes from not too far from our island. He's
from Oxon Hill, Maryland, which is just over the river
into Maryland from where I live in Virginia. And uh,
there's a lot of good boxing over there, people. Uh,
I got some good gyms over there. And I'm excited
to see this kid to follow the journey, because it's
one thing for a guy to become a champion or
perhaps pound for pound or a superstar. But the fun
part is to watch the journey unfold how it's going
to go, and I'm I'm very excited to watch the
development of this young kid.
Speaker 1: All good on that, All right, So there's a pretty
full recap of everything that went on with the PBC
on Prime Hurst pay per view. As it turns out,
I guess with all the problems and all the mess
they had.
Speaker 2: Turned out to be a good card though DJ let's
not be such a.
Speaker 1: The pay perview itself, but the preliminaries might have been
pretty good.
Speaker 2: So the problem the roach, the roach.
Speaker 1: Main event was exciting and it ended up unfulfilling. I'll
use that word to close.
Speaker 2: Just let me run this down. Main event was an
excellent fight with no winner, But again that's got nothing
to do with the promoter or anything that goes. You
got entertainment out of it. The opening fight between Shane
Mosey and Ramos was a terrific fight, and even though
the Oshaki Foster Stephen Fulton maybe it was not a
scintillating fight, it was a beautiful performance from Sposter. I
totally enjoyed that. Like, if you're gonna see a fight,
I'd rather see a guy dominate and look really good
than just the lackluster or shit fight that nyway, So was.
Speaker 1: The Laura fight?
Speaker 2: Yes, right, So if I'm not going to get action
packed Fulton versus Foster, at least the second best thing
is to see a beautiful performance for a guy who
really elevates himself. And then Laura fight was dog show.
We know that, but look I would take three out
of four being pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: Uh all right, let's do this.
Speaker 2: Let's regroup with Rain on the sideline. Really got you
down tonight?
Speaker 1: Well, it's just it's been a day, but we got
the recap in here. We heard from Badu Jack. He's
in the main event in LA for later this week,
So we'll be back with a preview pod later on
in this week. Again, find our YouTube page as well.
We're gonna get to the Jake, Paul, Anthony, Joshua. We'll
fight week as well. We'll probably we're trying to iron
out how we work out special coverage around that fight
on the YouTube page as well as the podcast feed.
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