Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Geek First. This is our weekly
ish followut review series. We were on season two, episode five.
I'm your host, Dyl Muss and my usual coast here
of Travis. Unfortunately, over these last four episodes, he's built
up a lot of radiation poisoning from all this fallout,
and so he's sick right now. So he's with the doctor.
He'll be back next week. But in his place, I
have the Cold Fusion Man himself, Taylor Field. How's it going.
Speaker 2: It's going good.
Speaker 3: Happy to be here, and you know, I'm just to
add some more backstory here. So Travis, he was gonna
message and initially when I dropped in a discord like
oh I caught up. I binged all the episodes in
one night, and he didn't. He didn't though, and so
today he was coy about it and I call him
out because he was like, oh, you know, did you
want to join for the episode review? And I was like,
I was thinking about it, because yeah, I did, to
get all caught up and stuff like that. And so
he was in directly kind of trying to find like, hey,
do you want to hover me tonight because I've got
plans of family and whatnot. So no, his radiation poisoning, yes, yes, sorry, yeah,
of course he's result yes, yeah, no, it worked out
well because yeah, we're Me and Travis were doing the
review last week and you were hanging out on the
YouTube chat. You were dropping some stuff, and so it's like, oh,
I guess Taylor's watching this show. But yeah, so it's
good that you have been watching it because now you
can join us here on the episode.
Speaker 1: I'll do some plugs later, but we can get right
into it. But how about we just get a little
recap from you from like the first half of the season,
episodes one through four, and then I guess you can
segue that if you want into episode five. How are
you feeling about season two of the show? Also, did
you do a rewatch of any kind of the first
season or do you just do the recap thing that
they have.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in the days of recaps now. I wish
I could do the whole rewatch, but.
Speaker 2: I'm this season. I'm much more hot on this season
than I am the first season. I really really am.
Speaker 3: I just I think that everything's kind of moving at
a better pace than that I like, and I think
I dropped this either no, I dropped into discord. Yeah,
just there's one two, I think up to four, maybe
even five different narratives that are going forward right now.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I like that, and I'm just kind of
curious at what point they're going to kind of come together.
And I feel like this episode really gave at least
one of those narratives a prime kind of like trajectory
into Okay, this is going to tie in with these
other narratives, these two narratives going on, So I like that,
and so things are kind of coming together a little
bit more, which makes sense because it's episode five. How
there's eight in total, right, that's right, yep, yeah, so
three more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That being said, I really like where we've been going
and how things have kind of gone. When I was
looking back at how things kind of concluded in that
first season, I don't know how hot I really was
at the time, but I did enjoy it for the
most part. But I like how a few things got
squashed early on in this season two and now we're
just kind of really running with it, and there's a
lot of things that well, I'm not an active follow
up player, and there's a lot of stuff that I
don't know. There are things that happen in the show
and I think, okay that I can clearly take away
is something from the game like in this.
Speaker 2: Episode, not a spoiler, like oh I gotta craft.
Speaker 3: Something like that's a that's just I mean maybe the
gas pick up on something like that.
Speaker 2: But like I could appreciate that and get a little.
Speaker 1: Bit sequence too, yea. And the show is very video gaming,
which I appreciate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that stell sequence like Sonny is. I'll just
say I immediately I was just thinking, man Elder scrolls,
I'm sneaking into a guy's shop kind of a thing.
Like I was really enjoying that. That made me smile.
So yeah, I think where we're at right now is
a good place. And uh yeah, I'm I'm really really
enjoying it. Also, big shout outs to the use of
the practical effects because they just do a fantastic job.
And I was watching a clip with the death claud
uh so they have one guy on each arm, so
two guys there. A guy were controlling the jaw and
another guy controlling the head, and I'm pretty sure another
one controlling the tail. So you've got like up to
five people controlling one of these death clause and so
once they get all the practical effects sorted out, then
they give it to Industrial Light Magic to handle all
like the CGI smoothness of it and everything. But I
just think that's that's so cool. We need more of
that in the industry.
Speaker 1: So I guess they do that for like the close
shots then right, yeahs are yeah fully CGI still or
maybe there is like a puppet on set or something.
Speaker 2: Then they like the puppet.
Speaker 3: The puppet for the most parts, like the head and
then the arms and then back toward like the tail,
but everything legs and stuff, and that's all CGI.
Speaker 1: Very cool. Yeah, that's uh, you don't see that these
days very often. So yeah that Amazon money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So episode five specifically, where are you at with this one?
You like this episode?
Speaker 2: Really really liked it? Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it was great because episode four had that
peak of a cliffhanger, like.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, what's gonna go down? And so this one.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about New Vegas. I don't know
if this has a lot any reference to it or
where it kind of fits with its connection to the game,
But it's just really cool to kind of be active
in another area here that's not in I think the
season one was Philly.
Speaker 2: Is that where they were?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even remember. I feel like it was
pretty nondescript, Like I don't feel like we didn't get
a lot of like specific city references or at least
like specific game game city references.
Speaker 2: Three or four are so I.
Speaker 3: Quite enjoy seeing just another above ground city scape kind
of set up in this post apocalyptic kind of world.
I think it's really fun and just how they got
things kind of set up here. And I mean the
death clause are just in one area and that's just
the way it is, you know. It's just everyone's just
doing their own thing.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I liked it.
Speaker 3: It's just it felt expansive, and we got a little
bit more backstory on I don't want to say it's spoiler.
I'm trying to be elusive for the opening.
Speaker 2: Part here, but.
Speaker 3: The brother's narrative, there's some expanse expanse going on there
with his story, and then really.
Speaker 1: Every narrative except for the like original Vault dweller people,
we didn't really see like the update of how thirty
three and thirty two are going this episode. I think
every other story I got pushed forward in some way.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Which I'm not a super big fan of just the
thirty two thirty three, So that's.
Speaker 1: Definitely the least interesting stuff this season for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it just kind of feels just way, you know,
way out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ever since norm like pieced out from that that grouping,
it's like, Okay, I don't really care much for this
branching path that.
Speaker 2: We're fo Yeah. Yeah. Everything else though, with.
Speaker 3: McClain, that storyline and the daughter and then obviously Ghoule
Cowboy Gogin's character.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm eating all that up.
Speaker 3: There's just there's something with movies and shows where he'd
get that right pairing of two characters, and that just
is there's something there, and I just I'm a big
sucker for that kind of thing. And so sure enough
the show has landed. And that's probably what season one
was kind of missing for me, because it didn't really
have that kind of the two team up thing. For
this season though, I just I love it, and I
think it ends on a really really interesting twist and
when you get to the end, I'm very curious to
see how that's going to transition into the next couple
of episodes, So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess another thing. But we also didn't get any
update from Maximus because we saw him runaway from the
uh oh oh, that's right, the civil war situation last episode.
There's a scene in this episode that cuts to like
a guy in the background, like walking down a road,
and I thought that was gonna be him, but then
it turns out being some other completely random guy that
we'll talk about later. But yeah, I guess this episode,
I guess did feel more it's weird. I am somewhat
critical of the editing in this episode, but also I
do feel like we pushed a lot of our main
story lines quite a lot more than we normally do
in a week, just because once again we kind of
cut out two storylines completely from this week's runtime, I guess,
so it's all focused on this other stuff that I
am personally more invested in as well. But there's just
certain editing things that you know, because there's so many storylines,
you know, you're you two characters interact and for the
first time, you're like, oh, this is gonna be an
interesting situation. They talk for like thirty seconds. Someone says
something really big cliffhanger, and then it just like cuts
it right there, and then like maybe you don't go
back to it till next week or maybe two weeks,
or in some storylines, it has been maybe like three
or four weeks since we've had an update, and so
I feel like it's just harder for me to get
that investment when I'm just you know, kind of getting
edged over and over again for the lack of a
better term there. So there was a couple of moments
like that that bothered me in this episode. And also,
as you mentioned, the death Claw sequence, which was the
cliffhanger last week, me and Travis were really hyping that up,
but we probably overhyped it where we're like, man, next
week's episode, it could be a huge, one long episode
death Claw battle like one shot. I don't think we
said that, but like it could just be some huge,
seventeen million dollar episode, and it's pretty underwhelming in my opinion.
There's still a couple good moments in it, but it's
it's not a whole lot going on there. I feel
like we're maybe set up to actually go back there
potentially and do some more later on, but yeah, there's
a couple things like that. But I think there's some
really good drama between like our two main characters and
what's going on with them, and so I think that
some of that stuff's good. And yeah, I guess in
a light spoiler way, like mister House, we're seeing him again.
We haven't seen him since like episode two maybe, or
maybe there's a glimpse in three or something, So it's
been a bit since we've got an update on that storyline,
and so I'm glad that we got back there and
we actually got like quite a decent amount of time
with him in this episode. Of course, all flashback sequences,
so all that is is pretty good. So yeah, anything
else non spoilery or do you want to get into
the juice here?
Speaker 2: No, I think you landed at all. Let's let's juice it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's just go right into the juice. We'll
do we'll do our I break later on in the episode. Yeah,
let's start with that death claw sequence. I don't know,
I'm just gonna you in a very vague way to
see if you're picking up what I'm putting down that
death Claw sequence. Did it remind you of a particular
big epic motion picture.
Speaker 2: Your answer could be no, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: Sounds like sounds like good, not okay for me, And
I'm just pilled on this movie, that's why. But you know,
the the cliffhanger from last week is that the death
Claw busts through the door. Lucy and Howard are looking
up at the death Claw, and then in this episode
is revealed that that death clause hanging out there. But
then like another one pops out from stage left, another
one pops out from stage right, And to me, it
reminded me a lot of the Peter Jackson King Kong
sequence when like one t Rex comes out and then
like midway through the battle or whatever for the exact
frameming because I've been watched the moving a little bit,
then like another t Rex comes out, and then like
I think it's the third t Rex comes out, and
King Klong's like getting them to chomp on each other
and he's like throwing them off cliffs and all that
great stuff, which, you know, great sequence. I love that movie,
but it very kind of reminded me of that, even
though we don't get that level of epic battle between
all these characters and like this huge choreographed battle between
like all these kaiju or anything. But I don't know why.
It just reminded me of that. I guess because t
Rex and death Claw are kind of they're kind of
similar issues. They got claws, they got scales, they got
big chompers, so I guess there's that similar to there.
But yeah, how did you feel about that sequence? Were
you over hyping it like me and Travis were, or
were you pretty satisfied with like the kind of albeit
quick sequence that we got.
Speaker 3: I would have loved the fight, Oh man, that would
have just been so juicy. And when you see multiple
death Club popping up, oh, I'm I'm eating it up.
I'm starting to get freaked out from my own safety.
But after the intensity that they showed that Death Claw
and the a few episodes ago when he was overseas
fighting or it was last week's episode in that flashback,
because yeah, I intervened when you guys were talking about
when he was in Alaska, that sequence, Yeah, in Alaska,
so when he encounters it and it's just like okay, So.
Speaker 1: They confirmed that this week. By the way, they did
like actually comment on that in the flashback that.
Speaker 2: He was in a lot they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and so that was just it was terrifying.
And I've never faced one in the game, but I
know that those things are like the the oh shit.
And so when this thing is just tearing up these
Communists and the Americans all alike, it's like, holy shit, Okay,
this thing's crazy. So I was expecting something a little
bit bigger, but I guess it's just kind of leads
to something that's going to happen. I think we're going
to be dealing with these death clause eventually because I
think that's where the entrance to the vault is correct. Yeah,
so that's what we're going to be kind of diving in.
They're going to use their budget for that big fight
whenever that kind of goes down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess like something like that could be a
big final episode action set piece. And obviously, like for
the fans of the games, the death clause like kind
of that ultimate creature I like dude had a little
reference to, like they're like, oh yeah, these death clause
came from Corey Rock. I forget the exact name of
the place, but in following New Vegas, like the first
time you'll see a death clause at this place called
Quarry Rock whatever that, Yeah, the exact name is, but yeah,
it's like this quarry. It's pretty close to the starting town.
And the idea is that, like, if you're trying to
just gun it straight to New Vegas, that's like the
most direct route, but then you go that way and
there's death clause, and you're like, Okay, fuck it, I'm
not gonna go that way. I'm gonna go like the
long way around, and then you bumble into like a
ton of side quests on the way there. So I
like that that that was a nice reference to the game.
I liked. I like that, And yeah, I mean you're
calling out the practical effects of it. I think the
death cluster off all looks good. It was just a
little quick. The one thing that seemed goofy to me
is at one point they're going through their bag. Lucy's
still like trying to find drugs mid battle. She can't
even get her mind straight, just like I gotta get
into the stagerous situation. And at one point Howard has
a grenade and he puts it in a bag, throws
the bag, and then shoots the bag to blow up
the grenade. But I'm like, why don't you just why
don't you just throw the grenade and it blows up
and then it has like the same effect and then
you don't.
Speaker 3: Have to take that letter again. He pulled the pin
for the grenade and threw it in the bag and
threw it.
Speaker 1: Or he's she shot at the bag, which makes me
that he was shot the grenade to activate it.
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, maybe, well maybe it wasn't a grenade that
could like blow up me.
Speaker 2: It was just a I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was like a dud. Maybe I had
like a false fuse or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there must have been maybe other explosive pieces and
there weren't grenades.
Speaker 1: Maybe I read it as like he was trying to
delay it a bit, like he he didn't want it
to blow up rated then he wanted to blow up
like ten seconds later or something. But it just seemed
like a little silly. But I don't know, maybe maybe
I'm nitpicking that. And then yeah, they kind of just
pretty pretty quickly evade this thing and peace out. But
like you said, I do think we are gonna go
back there, And I guess the question is, what is
that gonna be like, are they gonna stock up on uh,
you know, fat man, like the equivalent of the RPG,
like all these big things, a bunch of mines, more grenades, molotovs,
and then go at it like is it gonna be
Lucy and Howard? Who knows? Well, you know how these
characters if they're gonna reconcile before they go down there
or I guess she's probably I don't even know. I
guess we can talk about that later on. What's gonna
happen with Lucy and we're en Howard? They both end
in pretty precarious situation here. But yeah, the death class
sequent it was all right. I wanted a bit more,
but I do think we will get a little bit more.
But also I kind of thought that about Kaizar's legion.
I don't know if we're getting that at this point,
So we'll have just wait and see what happens here.
They gotta spread that budget around, I suppose mm hmm.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: I will say one last thing with death clause. It
definitely I like your call out of the dinosaurs for
King Kong. It definitely felt like Veloci raptors Jurassic World
kind of esque when they were just kind of sneaking
around there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then, as I mentioned last week, I
was pretty disappointed that New Vegas was, you know, deserted
at this point. There's no one there. It's kind of
all destroyed. It is inhabited by death clause. But I
still wanted to see people. I wanted to like to
have that lively energy, and so I like that we
can just they literally just walked past one door to
get into Free Side and we can see that metal
door that's like blocking them off. And yeah, there is
still a bunch of people there. There is like a society.
So that was fun. I like to see that. And
I can't remember, like if Sunny's is an actual shop
in the game. It could be, it could not be.
I'm not sure. It's been a bit since I've been
to Free Side in my follow up New Vegas Plane,
But I really like that. I like that we're back
at this place. Of course, there's all sorts of weird
people there. Guy you know, asking for caps. You just
beat him up, like that's his transaction. Beat me up,
you get free caps. We have a shop and like
a little side Quest Classics. This is a very follow
up New Vegas kind of side quest where you go
into a shop something's not right. Turns out the shopkeeper
is dead, and like some guy actually kind of invaded
the shop, took over the shop, and so Lucy's trying
to steal from him, and then someone else pops in
and then we don't really see your resolution with that.
I guess she just like left. It's kind of like
a dramatic the characters like who are you? She's like,
I don't know. It was a little little melodramatic for
my liking. But you know, she walked away with a
power fist, which is again a very fun fallout melee weapon.
So overall I thought that sequence was it was decent.
But yeah, there was her first I guess kill on
a regular human being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I justified it was self defense, right. The
guy clearly pulled him was in FI I think fired
on her too, and she acted in self.
Speaker 2: Defense, so she shouldn't feel as bad as she does.
But M.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, I guess this also closes off
the Lucy drug addict arc because she took the addict
doll when now so she's cleared out.
Speaker 3: I love clear that was just one like inhale and
then blood that just got me.
Speaker 2: I was laughing, addict doll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very very classic, classic follow up stuff. Let's
see where do we want to go next? Do you
want to stay with the Lucy Howard stuff or do
you want to jump around?
Speaker 2: We can we can sing with Lucy Howard's stuff. Yeah,
because it's.
Speaker 3: Like we learned, Okay, he is, he's got a deal
with Hank. He's going to be switching gears here and
returning Lucy back to her vault in order to keep
his family safe. I wanted to say that maybe this
was bullshit and he was just kind of doing some
fan dangling here, right, But it seems like no, that's
genuinely what he was going to do to keep his
family safe, uh, which I feel like it kind of
goes against his character, right how So, I don't feel
like he's someone that kind of adheres that he I
feel like he definitely is someone who honors a deal,
But I don't feel like he's someone who would have
his hand forced.
Speaker 2: This this hard.
Speaker 3: I feel like, okay, he would make some kind of
a plan, some kind of a play that would lure
out Hank or do something to kind of compromise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's just because the stakes are so high, right,
Like it's it's it's his wife and daughter, and this
is the thing he's been searching for for however many
years it's been, right mm hmmm, which.
Speaker 3: Is again a shame that he gave up his identity
to give that advantage to Hank. Right at the end
of that first season, how he just kind of revealed
himself and his all his cards.
Speaker 1: That kind of yeah, true, I guess it kind of
does go back to that. But yeah, I mean I
think that's it was surprising that he betrayed her, but
I yeah, I think that to me, that kind of
like fits for the character. And I think she had
like a very proper response to that, which was like
a big plot twist surprise because it didn't feel like
he was draining her along this whole time, just for
this moment. But in hindsight, you can kind of piece
all to get at least from her perspective, you can
kind of piece it together that way and be like damn,
like he actually was. And I mean it's not like
even a few days ago he was still like heckling
her and stuff. It's still like they've not been. They're
not like best buds or anything. They're just like companions
which don't always agree on things, especially in like a
Fallout game where characters are often commenting on like your
choices in the side quest or a main mission, and
they're like, I don't like what you just did, or
oh yeah, I killed that guy. You know, everyone's always
sharing their point of view, and so they very much
feel like they were clashing kind of the whole time.
But he did have that moment earlier where he saved
her from Kaizar's legions, So I guess to her that
was probably like a big build of trust, and so
I don't know, maybe she needed to do that for
him a couple times before he had that level of trust,
But I think it just comes down to the stakes
of the situation. I feel like for him it was
just such a big deal finding his family, probably particularly
his daughter, I would say, I mean, obviously his wife.
There's a lot of baggage going on with that relationship,
but yeah, that's that's what he's been searching for. So
I think I think it makes sense. And obviously a
lot of this episode also also kind of tied up
in I suppose like the depression he's experienced and how
he just uses alcohol is he uses alcohol to kind
of cover up all the just shittyness of his life.
And he was doing that even I guess pretty much
post the reveal in season one, you know, flashback time
era when he learned about what his wife was up
to and that was really devastating to him as well.
And learning about this plan. Learning that, like the plan
was to have the nukes goal off like on his
daughter's birthday is obviously like really dark as well and
just really disgusting. So, yeah, we got to see a
little bit of the darker side of Howard, which for
him is really just bottom of the bottle kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, he was riding that bowl something fierce.
He was doing a good job.
Speaker 4: When he was drinking. In that scene, he's just kind
of stumbling around.
Speaker 3: There was there's one scene I want to give of
it because the white guy goes to cheers in his
drink and like he just grabs it out of the
guy's hand out at the bar, which made me laugh.
Speaker 4: But there's there's a scene where this blondhaired woman is like, oh,
you know, can I have.
Speaker 2: A kiss with you?
Speaker 3: Da da da, And it's like a quick scene where
you see her and then it transitions on and I
for some reason thought, Okay, that chick looks very much
like the new one eyed chick who's taken Overvaut thirty three.
Speaker 1: I think I miss that, but I I mean, we
do know at this point she was a cry o person,
so I think that would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from Canada, so.
Speaker 1: She's yeah, Defin is the name of that character is Steph.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it would make sense.
Speaker 3: But again, there wasn't any other emphasis or anything added
in that scene to kind of make you think that, okay,
this would be her, But it was just it was
a quick cut scene.
Speaker 1: Can Yeah, I f it so really quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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are back. Okay, yeah, let's continue on with Well, I
guess even in this episode, like I was there a
was it a surprise or a plot? Is there anything
for you to get the official reveal that Howard's wife
and kid are actually still alive. We saw like their tube,
I guess we didn't see like their face and then
breathing and walking around, but we saw like a nameplate
on a tube with their name, So it's kind of
I mean, it makes sense this is a big thing
that they've kind of been hinting at a little bit.
But I also feel like Howard's story has kind of
been it's been there, that's been like in his head,
but I don't feel like that's necessarily been like he's
taken step eight one, two, three four to get to
that point. So yeah, I don't know. Was that a
surprise at all to you to actually get that confirmation
that these characters are alive.
Speaker 3: I was surprised, but I also felt like, Okay, at
this point, it does feel like this guy Hank's going around,
he's pulling people out of cryo. And so when they
get that reassurance and confirmation like hey, here they are,
I thought, oh, that just means that it's they're probably
being put on a show here for something that's not
going to bode well, some kind of something negative. And
sure enough, that's what it came out of it, like, hey,
they won't be touched if you make this deal.
Speaker 2: So I also was when I.
Speaker 4: Was looking at the wife's crowd tube.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it's just because of how much
ice there was covering the front of it, but I
was like, and you really can't see into it. It
doesn't look like anyone's in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's probably just well, I
guess just to keep us on edge, maybe don't show
us face, just show us a hint of it.
Speaker 2: Maybe, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, well, if they're not in there, maybe
they're out and about in a vault, or they're doing
something out and they're just they're not sleeping right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the wife obviously such an instrumental character
in Valtech and like all the goings on, dropping the bombs,
all this crazy stuff, So I could see her being
a character who was woken up. But I don't know
if she would want to do that without her daughter,
because even though she's like kind of evil, you would
assume she still loves her daughter influences her in her life.
But I don't know, maybe she maybe her goal is
like I'm gonna make I'm gonna go back into this
world and make it better before I send my daughter out.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: So I guess we could get some of those reveals.
That's that's possible. I could come down down the pipeline here. Yeah,
and then yeah, I guess the way this this sequence
ends is that he turns on her. He hits her
with like a trank dart, which is kind of set
up by Yeah, this random character who's going through the
wasteland who is in love with a robot, very fallout
kind of storyline there gets clubbed by McClain gets and
I think they did a really good job with a
sequence where he's in like the dunehand machine thing, and
then we get the classic the camera like zooms out
to just show the window where so many times we've
seen the heads explode and the blood splatter on that window.
So the camera pulls out there, you get to ray
with the point's about to explode, and then you hear
like a nice little happy click, and then it like
zooms back in and obviously the experiment finally works. So
I was about to be pissed if it was another
head exploded. I'm like, Okay, I feel like we've done
this a few too many times, but they didn't. They worked,
so that device. I guess this part's unclear, but it
at least wipes your memory enough. You know, it's very
plot stuff where it's like, oh, you can still talk
and walk, you know, you can still do stuff, but
you just don't remember what your life was before. He
was very much like right on with that. I thought
he was like in love with this robot and maybe
he'd want to continue that, but no, he's ready to
delete his life.
Speaker 2: And then is it.
Speaker 1: Mind control as well, because obviously we kind of saw
that with the rats. I couldn't really tell if he
was mind controlling it or if this guy's just so
naive because he had all his mind wiped that he
was able that McLain was able to just like convince
him persuade him to go do this thing where he
has this ploy this trap with Howard and Lucy.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any convincing him if you don't
put him to this machine.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That's so that's out the window.
Speaker 1: I think that is a part of it, right, the
mind control?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I guess losing memory of when you
were a kid and everything up to like the year
two thousand, So that's just a that's a side effect
I guess of just the being taken over and whatnot,
so you're forgetting everything. Because I was just like if
it felt like this was just something new that McLain
was just trying to instill, where it's like, Okay, I'm
trying to finish off this technology where we're controlling people.
But really like, okay, like there's this other kind of
con here where you just forget everything about who you
are and whatnot. But yeah, I was just it felt
like it was just something else that he was working
on and working towards. And I guess in the greater
aspect of things, like Okay, this this chip will be
used for something else entirely, right, whatever that is, I
don't know yet, but I like seeing the sales guy
back in here. He just ever since that first season,
he just kind of cracked me up, and him getting
his little robot girlfriend and whatnot, and like calling the
guy like, hey, you little like what did what did
he say? Something pervert or people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like go hiding the shrubs or if you
want to want to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that cracked me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then the ending of this sequence is yeah,
of course Howard actually shoots her with the trank, but
she still has a little bit of fight left in
her uses the power fist to punch Howard out the window,
and he lands on a pole and gets stabbed severe.
I don't know that's considered as stabbing, but yeah, he
got skewered. I'll I guess I'll put it that way,
and then she finally passes out and she's as she's
like having that final moment before it kicks in, she
sees her her dad there. He's come to come to
grab her. So yeah, I guess what like predictions where
what's gonna happen to both these characters, because that's obviously
not dead. He's you know, he's a ghoul, so he'll
bounce back from this. Uh, we have to assume he
still wants to go in. I guess his primary motivation
is still probably his family, but I also feel like
he probably feels bad about Lucy's stuff maybe, uh, and
that's why he's gonna go in there to find her
as well. I assume it's gonna be both of those things, right,
He's gonna have a hero moment where he's like, oh,
I actually came to save you, but I also need
to get my wife and daughter or something like that.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some kind of little redemption narrative I'm sure would
make the most sense because.
Speaker 2: Like he.
Speaker 3: Like I was almost thinking, like, is an hallucination that
Lucy's having with Hank just appearing there, because it doesn't
seem like it's really real. And I feel like, if
she does get taken by Hank, then what's the point
for Howard to go and pursue it, because it's like, well,
they got the daughter and whatnot, that's the deal. Like
that just means that my family would be safe. I
can leave them behind. So something needs to pull him
in there. And maybe it is the fact that Lucy
just went popping off on him and knocking him out
and he's just like, uh, I don't know, regretting.
Speaker 2: The decision out of sympathy or something like that.
Speaker 3: Because each I won't say each episode, but a lot
of these episodes are just kind of rebuilding his humanity
a little bit more to the point where he just
had to get black out drunk because he couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that answers the question.
Speaker 1: Yeah it does, I mean. And then also, like, so
is Lucy going into Vaultech until the Vaultech base whatever
with McLean or is he actually sending her back to
the vault. I feel like he probably wouldn't do that
because he'd assumed she would just break out again and
like do her stuff, unless he mind wipes her, which
I guess would be Maybe that's one of the things
he wants to do with her.
Speaker 2: Which would be fun.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he's bringing her into his main vault
for management there for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. So Howard's on his on
his own to take out these death Claws and get
in there, do you think or or does he pow wow?
Does he meet up with Maximus? That's probably what it is, right,
He probably meets up with Maximus and then Maximus and him.
He's probably go, yeah, Lucy's alive. You got to help
me save her, under the guise of like wow, he
does maybe want to save her, but mostly to like
get into Voltech. That's that's probably what happens, right.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, I can see that. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's that's gonna be cool. Uh,
poor Lucy Man the amount of time she has been
knocked out and take in somewhere, Like we had Kaiser's
lesion earlier this season, we had the I guess it's
a little bit different, but like that experimental vault by
Sunny Sandy Shores or whatever with all the facial experiments,
like all the people had like weird you know, growing
they only have one eye or they've extra nosed all
these things, she got down and there some weird stuff
was happening. So yeah, she just had a really unlucky
go of it. But I guess that's just kind of
what followed is as a game as well, you just
find yourself in crazy scenarios one after another.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's just kind of the the
mean factor too, in this world where it's the vaultweller
that kind of gets picked on, which again they're just
kind of daft, And we see that again with I
can't remember what her name is, but she's got her
friend and there's in the vault tech buildings like this
is my turf, and they just kind of scoff at
the vault dwellers because you just know what you're dealing with,
this kind of.
Speaker 2: I don't know, state of person.
Speaker 1: M hm, Okay, what else I guess. Yeah. So mister
House or Robert House, we finally got more of him
this week, quite a lot of him, him and Howard
in the before times at the Lucky thirty eight, his
casino there without the kind of store, the background of
the New Vegas stuff. How are you feeling about mister
House as a character, the kind of this plot line,
I'll say, and I love this stuff specifically in this
episode too.
Speaker 2: Is he actually a good guy?
Speaker 1: A good guy?
Speaker 2: Is he a good guy?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, because then this where he's just preaching like, hey,
I got to stop the end of the world and
I got to take down the building up a missile
defense system to stop everything, like all the nukes and whatnot.
And it's like, Okay, that seems like a good guy
thing to do. But I just couldn't really gauge him
in his character because earlier on he mind controls this
guy to just kill his friends and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't know about him, but I like the
idea that he's using this scientific mathematical numeracle equation to
kind of predict the future.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see where that goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting angle because you don't get
what's the word flashbacks in the game. He is a
character that's in and around the game, I'll say, without
getting specific about how he's in the game, but yeah, like,
you don't see this version of him. So it's fun
for me to get this because he is an integral
part of the story and lore of Fallowing New Vegas specifically,
and so it's been nice to finally get a little
bit more of him here. He's I don't know. I
think a lot of the characters in this show are
over the top, right, And I think for me that
works with like goofy little characters who broken are taking
over Sonny's shop. It works for like that weird shopkeeper
guy who is in love with the robot. But I
don't know if it's working for me when like mister
House is going all evil, maniacal villain and he's like
yelling at Howard, who's like getting in the elevators, like
why are you here? All this stuff? It just seemed
a bit much for my liking in term of just
the I guess, the way. I guess just the way
he decided to act in that situation. Whether he was
directed to go that way, I'm not exactly sure, but
I guess the performance just wasn't totally believable for me,
and it kind of like, I feel like there was
a mysterious slash intimidating factor that he had in the
other episodes that we've seen him in, and this time
he just felt like a little too zany for me,
so we'll see. And I guess there's interesting kind of
Easter Egg reference in this episode with him that I
guess I won't spoil for like game purpose reasons, but
it was cool to see his kind of headquarters there
in the Lucky thirty eight And yeah, I get some
of that in Vegas pre War because we haven't. You
don't see that in the game either, right, you never
go back there. So yeah, I guess I'm feeling this
was one of the storylines that I was a little
bit lesser on in this episode. I am again still
careous to see where it goes, but I don't know.
I guess it just I've been waiting so many weeks
to see this character again and I didn't love what
I what I got in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's fair and I can agree with that.
Speaker 1: M and I guess. The last story and then we
haven't really touched on is norm the brother and the
crew that have broken out of cryogenics. They find a Vaultech,
an empty abandoned vautech building different than the one that uh,
what's his name is in? McLean is in and this
one has another another Yeah shot Peper from before is
shopkeeper from season one, who I think is like probably
an episode two or three or something like that. She's
pretty early on. I remember she was like in the
trailers and stuff like that. She has an encounter with
Lucy in that in that season, I think, Howard comes
into town and shoots kills a bunch of people something
like that. So I guess which is why she I
can't remember the exact reason, but I guess that's why
she left that town that she was in. And she's
hold up here in this Voltech building with her girlfriend
or wife or something like that, and they have a
they have a roach farm. This is just kind of
their headquarters, headbase. And yeah, they connect with with Norm
and she has some innocuous what seems like innocuous comment
about like another vaultweller and then Norm's like, ooh, another vultweller.
Who could that be an? And then we then the
scene like cuts and then we come back and it's
kind of it's kind of insinuated that obviously she informed
him that like, Okay, well, yeah, I've met your sister
Lucy and she's probably dead and he doesn't believe that. Uh,
And then yeah, we get another sequence at the end,
I guess with the with when he's getting like choked out, right,
and that's the end of the episode, right.
Speaker 2: That's the end.
Speaker 3: And it fooled me because I thought, for sure, Okay,
his new lady friend's gonna come back with the bottle
of alcohol, smash it on this guy's head and save Norm.
But h yeah, it went kind of sideways because he
I thought he was gonna actually kill the brother, but no,
he didn't.
Speaker 2: He just incapacitated him, knocked him out.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, so we're gonna we're gonna see where
this kind of goes. But I like everything that girl
was telling him, like, hey, these people gave their lives
to this, right, like they believe in it, and so
if you tell them like you killed their boss, they're
gonna it's gonna rock their world, right, They're gonna be devastated.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, absolutely. Uh So I like this sequence.
I like what's going on with Norm and it finally
feels like I mean, he has not had a lot
of screen time, and that whole storyline is kind of
lesser screen time of the season for the most part.
We got a little bit early on, and so I
like that for me, if it's been if it's felt
very aimless as well, like just kind of beingandering from
place to place and not seeing it very often, might
go an episode without it, but finally it feels like, Okay,
we're actually at a convergence point. I don't know how close.
I don't know how close they are. Presumably they're still
very far away from Vegas, right, because that's been a
whole journey for Lucy. And also that shopkeeper from season
one was also nowhere near Vegas, right, So I don't know,
Like I don't know if this is like a by
the end of the season they reconnect thing. This could
still be a path we're on until season three. Maybe
that would be my prediction, because I feel like we
have enough in these last three episodes of just Maximus
reconnecting with Lucy. I don't know if we'll also do
that with the brothers, so maybe that's like a next
season thing, which would be kind of crazy if we
go that whole season without them interacting at all. If
we do get a certain third season, which I forget
is if that's like officially confirmed.
Speaker 2: I thought they initially officially announced it. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like they I feel like they probably did, so
I could see something like that happening. But again, as
I talked about I think last week could Travis on
these episodes, like I feel like there's not a lot
of care and attention given to like how long it
takes to get from place to place, Like there's definitely
some fast traveling going on, which again a very video game.
He is fine, but normally when you video when you
fast travel in the game, it's like, oh, yeah, three
days have passed, it just doesn't like change anything because
it's a bethes the game. But uh, yeah, I like
what we have going on here because at least it
feels like, okay, well we can foresee like convergence point
where we're gonna be uh set up with Norm has
some sort of clue of where he where Lucy went.
I don't know how he'd really get that clue from
the shopkeeper. You know, maybe she's just like, oh, yeah,
she went west. It's like, okay, well you go west
far enough you end up in Vegas, I suppose, But yeah,
there's at least something there. So I like to see
some of that, And yeah, I still don't care much
for like the rest of the crew here the other
people have broke out, even like the girl that he's
becoming friends with, and she gets like some emotional moments
where she keeps welling up of like thinking about her
what was her cat or her dog? I forget what
it was. Yeah, puppy, her puppy from the before times
that's no longer around all this stuff. So I don't know,
I'm not too invested in these characters yet. I do
like Norm, and I do want to I wish the
best for this poor guy, but uh, yeah, it seems
like it might be a bit before we actually see
him like interact with other main characters. But he's becoming
more rugged, I feel like week to week, which is
nice to see. It's fun to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, So I'm excited to see
where that's where it's going to continue on because I'm
I'm starting to enjoy that narrative a little bit more
than I am, at least with how things were going
with the character in the first season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Uh, anything that we have not covered here,
mister Taylor joke.
Speaker 3: No, I'm glad you mentioned earlier, just the Maximus and
Lucy stuff, because yeah, that's totally just went over my
head that we didn't get them in this episode, and
I'm curious when that's going to kind of tie back in,
because I feel like the whole Brotherhood of Steal, like
that's some serious shit going on, Like their whole foundation
just collapsed, right, So it would be nice to get.
Speaker 2: A little bit more insight on that.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're gonna we're not what's the name
of that branch again, it was the one that wasn't
invited to their meeting because they're so powerful.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: Where came from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Commonwealth branch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel like we're not done with the Commonwealth.
I feel like they're gonna come back and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen. Uh so just Maximus leaving,
like maybe they just go hunt them down again, But
I feel like we've done We've done that before, so
I don't Yeah, I don't. I don't really know what's
going on there, and not really even in the games,
like Brotherhood of Steal is not my that's not the
quest I'm usually hunting down when I want to pick
up a Fallout game, So it's not really my favorite
realm anyway. But yeah, anyway, anything else you're mister Field.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Are you joining week to week now?
Speaker 2: I think there's a high chance. Yeah, yeah, I will
because you have three more three more episodes? So when
is the finale? When does that put us in?
Speaker 1: February fifth? That was a random shot in the dark.
How close was I.
Speaker 2: February fourth? You're pretty close?
Speaker 1: Oh, way to go. I'm not good for calendars.
Speaker 2: That's that was sick you are now? Yeah, February fourth.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I'm going to be around
for that one because I think I've got some scheduling
stuff going on.
Speaker 1: But I think.
Speaker 2: The other two I like. I like my chances of
being present for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, sounds good. Okay, thank you everyone for listening.
Of course, we have a fallout discord or chat specifically
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see it. Thank you everyone for listening. We'll see you
again next week. Bye bye bye