WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:04.719 As a brief reminder, during this episode where we cover 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.639 cry Baby, we'd like to reiterate that Walt, Today's co host, 3 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:11.960 is contributing to a discussion centered on LGBTQ plus lifestyle 4 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:18.679 topics he personally identifies as completely one heterosexual. His participation 5 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:21.960 reflects the commitment to open, respectful dialogue and should not 6 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.920 be interpreted as a statement about his own sexual orientation. 7 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:29.359 We appreciate your understanding. As we continue the conversation with 8 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:31.399 Mark and Raffall, thank you for listening. 9 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:38.359 Walking out, everything was. 10 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:47.399 No problem guys here, I should thank you. 11 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:50.560 Yeah, thank you. 12 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.920 You made it very clear that I needed to read 13 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.079 that I did. 14 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.159 Yeah, yeah, I sent you this earlier. Yeah. 15 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:04.719 Okay, well, welcome back. We're discussing, as I just said 16 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:05.519 before the. 17 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:08.480 Break. Here, we were. 18 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:13.359 Discussing the nineteen ninety film starring Johnny Depp directed by 19 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:19.000 John Waters called cry Baby. And who selected cry Baby 20 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:27.040 is their choice? That is me refall, hooray, So what 21 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.040 is it? What is it like to be forced to 22 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:30.400 select an American movie? 23 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:34.519 It's a struggle. 24 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:39.239 Now have you have you seen cry Baby? And whether 25 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:41.680 you have not, whether you had or had not before this, 26 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.760 why did you pick Cry Baby I have, So. 27 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:50.640 It was actually the second time I watched it. 28 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.480 And what made me go for it. 29 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.439 I think probably the fact that it's kind of, like, 30 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.319 of all of the films by John Waters, one of 31 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.840 the most digests the ball kind of in an easy way. 32 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:04.640 It has a kind of storyline that's kind of, you know, 33 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:12.479 manageable to navigate actually triggers the events, which isn't always 34 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:18.560 a given. And probably Johnny also contributed, let's be frank 35 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:20.879 young and beautiful. 36 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:27.120 Very young and beautiful Ryan, And this is from from. 37 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:28.960 Hoskins. 38 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:33.280 From my understanding, this is when he was like teen Heartthrobed, 39 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:35.840 twenty one, Jump Street nightmarn Old Street. And he was like, 40 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.800 because Johnny has a pretty weird dude, he always has been. 41 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.680 So he was like, I'm going to choose something that's 42 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.319 going to get me out of, you know, being a 43 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.560 mainstream Like I don't want to be in like a 44 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.520 rom com directed by who gives the ship? So yeah, 45 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.240 I'll make a movie with John Waters. That was my 46 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:54.719 understanding on his choice. 47 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:57.560 Crazy also quite interesting. 48 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:00.639 What you sorry, Ryan? What did you say? 49 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.159 Same years war Sis Her Hands? 50 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.159 You could have told me this was five years before 51 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:06.120 I was blown away. 52 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:06.639 Yeah. 53 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:06.800 Wow. 54 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:14.199 Sorry, sorry, Yeah, So I was just kind of having 55 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.599 this realization also that I think what also kind of 56 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:22.439 you know, got me to to choose it was how 57 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:28.479 this narrative also kind of feels a bit more digestible 58 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.360 for me as non American because it's kind of playing 59 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:35.759 into this idea of what we know about America kind 60 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.680 of you know, from the outside perspective, with this kind 61 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:41.159 of golden times of the fifties rock and roll revolution, 62 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:47.800 it kind of feels like it's more American in the 63 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.800 mainstream sense of being American, rather than this kind of 64 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:54.280 only ebb of fringe, which is probably more the case 65 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:59.639 in other films. So I think this kind of also 66 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.639 probably contributed to the choice. 67 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:05.879 Yeah overall, Yeah, I mean John Waters is clearly obsessed 68 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.159 with the fifties, which is like when he grew up, 69 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.439 because I think he's eighty now do you know how 70 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:11.840 old he is? 71 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:15.120 Ryan and think you just da right. 72 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:20.319 Yeah, And he loves big hair, just you know, the 73 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:21.360 fifties aesthetic. 74 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:22.879 He's very into. 75 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.519 But I also wanted to mention which you three may 76 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.000 not be familiar with. So the female lead of this 77 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.519 movie is Amy Locine, and she's just she had. 78 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:35.959 Some moments in the nineties. 79 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.199 I said that she's sort of to me like a doppelgainer, 80 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.399 doppelganger for Christina Applegate. They just have similar vibes and 81 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.279 similar roles that they could play. But she was in 82 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:51.000 school ties. She classic film that I love, Airheads. She 83 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:55.360 was Brendan Fraser's girlfriend, but she was in pre Fontaine. 84 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.720 But you know, she was I'm not criticizing her in 85 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.680 any way, like she wasn't a bad actress, but she 86 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.360 was just really, really beautiful and that's why she was 87 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:09.240 successful when she was younger, and as she got older, 88 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.000 as happens in Hollywood, you know, the roles kind of 89 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:14.920 dried up for her. But I think this is so 90 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.720 fascinating in an awful way. So I think this is 91 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.759 wrong what happened to her, even though she killed someone. 92 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:25.920 So Amy Locine killed someone while she was drinking and driving. 93 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.800 She had a point two to three blood alcohol level 94 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.839 and hit another car and killed a six year old woman. 95 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:37.000 She went to trial and was sentenced to three years 96 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:41.120 in jail, and she was sentence of five years in jail, 97 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:43.759 but got out in three and then she so she's 98 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.480 out of jail. She served her sentence. She's amongst the 99 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:49.519 public now, and this is what I think is so 100 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.240 fucked up. I don't care what she did. I think 101 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.439 this is wrong. The family was so upset that she 102 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:58.639 got out in three years that they asked a judge 103 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:02.240 to review the sentence, and a judge reviewed the sentence 104 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.879 and changed it to be longer and sent her back 105 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:08.040 to jail after she had served her sentence and got out. 106 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.839 So she went back to jail in twenty sixteen and 107 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:18.040 got out in twenty No, she was she'll wait. No, 108 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.120 an appeals court ruled that the three year sentence would 109 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.319 be re reviewed. In twenty nineteen, she was sentenced to 110 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:30.720 five more years behind bars. So she eventually got out 111 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:34.600 of jail in twenty twenty four. At that point her 112 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.519 husband had divorced her and got costing her children. So 113 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:39.040 that sucks. 114 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.399 When do' this happen? When the riding happen? 115 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:49.720 The accident happened in two thousand and ten, yeah, twenty ten, 116 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:54.439 June twenty ten. So I didn't think that was possible, honestly, 117 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:56.480 to serve your sentence and get out of jail then 118 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.240 to be re sentenced. I've never heard of that out 119 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.920 in my life. So that sucks, and it sucks that 120 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:05.759 her life turned out this way, but so it kind 121 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.399 of made me sad, like reading that about her anyways, 122 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:10.360 I went down a whole rabbit hole back to her 123 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:12.279 fall to about this movie. 124 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.759 Well, let's get back to the movie then. 125 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.399 Well, well, speaking of what happened to her afterwards, appenty, 126 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.279 this whole scene with letting her men out of jail 127 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.680 song was kind of in place, only the gender should 128 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:31.160 be changed. Do you think somebody performed out at her 129 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:32.439 window when she was in jail. 130 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:37.720 If someone did, they were definitely not as good looking 131 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:44.680 as Johnny Depp. But this being a musical surprised me too, 132 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.519 because it's like, we'll talk about it later, but you 133 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:52.120 can make pink flamingos or you can make a very 134 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:57.759 successful musical like Hairspray. And John Waters is like, yeah, 135 00:07:57.879 --> 00:07:59.879 you know, like depends on the mood I'm in, I'll 136 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:05.399 do one or the other. And Ryan, if I'm correct 137 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:10.600 in assuming this Crybaby did not do well financially. 138 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.120 I don't think any of them who have been like big, 139 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:15.759 even like the more mainstream ones, have ever been like big, 140 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:17.439 big hits. I think they all just kind of break 141 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.399 even but he writes all this stuff like it's weird 142 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:25.079 because like for someone who like went from truly his 143 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.879 own world and then kind of went to quote unquote mainstream, 144 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.680 it's never been like John Waters sold out. It's always 145 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.759 been like his own thing he's done. It's never been 146 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.279 on a bigger stage. You have to compromise in some way, 147 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.559 but it's never been like like, even though this is 148 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.559 a more mainstream movie, doesn't feel like he's not in it, 149 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:43.120 you know what I mean. 150 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:44.039 I don't know how to describe it. 151 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.720 I don't think anyone can accuse John Waters of selling 152 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:52.720 out because of what It's not like he stopped making 153 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.720 insane movies and only made cry Babies moving forward, you 154 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:57.240 know what I mean. 155 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.840 Like, what I'm floored by is that like when you 156 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.720 look at like the mainstream ones and like who produces them, 157 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:08.480 It's like, like I think, like this guy who made Cryberry, 158 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.360 made Brian Grazer, made all of like Ron Howard's movies 159 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:14.320 and did like splash, does he see playing from Angos 160 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.759 and be like call that guy tomorrow and get him 161 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:20.360 in the room. It's just like it's so interesting, Like 162 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:21.799 how does this happen in a good way? 163 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.360 But yeah, Mark, had you seen it before? And did 164 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:27.600 you do you like cry Baby? 165 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:27.960 Yeah? 166 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.720 We we watched it actually in Iceland. I think because 167 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:33.360 there was this period of like I was just kind 168 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.919 of making my way from his early stuff to the 169 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.279 you know, I have never made it past Cereal Mom actually, 170 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.759 and I only watched Cereal Mom recently after your pod 171 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:46.240 you know with bone Person, so uh and Ben, of 172 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:53.759 course you're a correspondent. But but yeah, like cry Baby, 173 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.360 I did like it. I actually liked it better the 174 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.320 second time like watching it, and I think maybe it 175 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.360 was a nice like paliate cleanser because I I think 176 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:04.240 we will talk later about the like this trilogy that 177 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:08.159 we kind of ended up choosing from uh, of movies, 178 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:12.240 they get a bit like there's a lot of screaming. 179 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.320 It like gets like watching them in a row. 180 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.840 It's like it gets like I love them, but it 181 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:19.320 also gets a bit much. So I think this is 182 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.799 a nice palate cleanser and nice like you know, just 183 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:24.720 some acting, some funny aspects. 184 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:27.159 So overall I enjoyed Cry Baby. 185 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.480 I think this aspect of like Johnny Depp in his 186 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:32.000 tier and the ending is is really nice. 187 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:34.879 Yeah, Ryan, what about you? 188 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.759 I made the mistake of starting with this, not because 189 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:40.360 of the movie, but I like, as Mark said, like 190 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.600 they just they just get so loud and you're. 191 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:44.759 Just like, what the fuck is happening? 192 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.480 And because of just sheer timing, because I saw you 193 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:49.240 tim Tuesday, I had to watch two of them like 194 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.639 during work, like and like working from a computer, so 195 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:53.519 I would just like be doing something and you can't 196 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:57.559 not get like, what the fuck is happening here? And again, 197 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:01.279 like especially when like Divine screams, it's just so loud, 198 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.799 it's just so it's just the tone. So I made 199 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.519 a fatal error in starting with so like, oh Craperty 200 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.600 Story the longest one, because it's a mainstream movie, I'm like, 201 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:10.799 I better start with this first. 202 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.159 And that was a mistake, but a good one, I guess. 203 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.679 I think all John Waters movies include It's always like 204 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:23.919 normal people in a town, but they're very unreasonable and 205 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:29.120 and very over the top of their emotions. Yes, so, like, well, 206 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.720 so I had never seen cry Baby. It's it's free 207 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.519 on YouTube, and I truly mean free, like anybody can 208 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.679 go on YouTube and watch it with ads. I it 209 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:42.000 was not for me, Like, I you know, it's fine. 210 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.159 I didn't dislike it. I thought it was well made 211 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.200 and it was impressed by the music. But I just 212 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:49.360 I'm like, yeah, I don't really I don't really care. 213 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.360 But well, I you know, we probably should have done 214 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.200 this already. But Rafall, will you, you know, in a nutshell, 215 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.080 explain what this movie is about. 216 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.639 Yeah, So the story is about the. 217 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:10.600 Love in social conflict circumstances, which I believe is also 218 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:14.759 a common theme for anything that John Wallers actually did, 219 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.039 because there was also always a. 220 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:18.080 Social type of. 221 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.080 Mismatch that kind of results in whatever events we actually 222 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:28.360 end up observing. And what I kind of took out 223 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.440 of this story in which we basically are being guided 224 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.960 through a love story between a boy from let's say, 225 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:43.080 lower strata and a girl from probably elite of the 226 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:48.559 society who actually ended up being together happily shockingly enough, 227 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.759 is that, unlike in other films, it was actually quite 228 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:58.399 visible that he left space over here for transitioning between 229 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:02.919 the stratas society. This was actually very interesting to me 230 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.879 in this film, So we actually observe two major female 231 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:11.840 characters just kind of finding themselves initially in the wrong 232 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:16.440 area of society and then basically swapping roles and just 233 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:19.039 kind of taking over from one another and just living 234 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.720 there forever Cappy Live afterwards. I love how deep you're 235 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:27.799 getting about because it's deep to me, Like, I absolutely yes. 236 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.159 Like it's a different type of narrative. 237 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:35.080 Than you know, Dirty Underwear in the trilogy, right, that's 238 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.360 kind of a different type of effects over here. 239 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:47.559 But in general terms, yeah, love story that initially doesn't 240 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.919 get any social blessing whatsoever. Then we get a couple 241 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:55.879 of conflicting moments that also resolve around the past of 242 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:02.200 both characters being both orphans and both having different type 243 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:03.840 of life and upbring upbringing. 244 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:04.960 The leads to. 245 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:09.600 The major character, who is of course cast as Johnny 246 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.720 ending up in jail and then magically freed from jail 247 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.519 to live happy with the girl of his dreams, and 248 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.559 he's nickname is cry Baby. 249 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.240 It's kind of like a spoof on Grease. Grease is 250 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:26.480 it not? 251 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:26.759 Like? 252 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.320 I felt like I was like, were they at the school? 253 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:29.639 I felt like at the beginning it was like. 254 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:32.159 This, when they're doing the jail song, I was kind 255 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:33.840 of like, Oh, this is what they're going for here 256 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:36.120 when they're doing Yeah, yeah. 257 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:39.440 I would say like another theme is all of john 258 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:43.720 Waters movies are intentionally over the top ridiculous, but I found. 259 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:45.559 Fault had a very very good point. 260 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.039 Is like what you kind of touched on, or at 261 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.799 least what I was absorbing from what you said, is 262 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:54.000 a major theme in John Waters movies is like the 263 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.799 pressure of society to be quote unquote normal. And I assume, 264 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.519 I mean I have am not gay yet, but I 265 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.799 assume being gay growing up in a homophobic society, you 266 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:09.039 feel a lot of pressure to not be gay, to 267 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.960 be quote unquote normal. And I don't think it's always 268 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.240 about being gay in John Waters movies, but like you know, 269 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.159 Amy Lokaine is feeling pressure to be a good girl 270 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:21.440 and not hang out with the greasers, and just you 271 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:26.799 know everyone, first of all, nobody's normal in John Water's 272 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:28.720 movies or in real life, Like none of us are 273 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.080 normal at all, and if you all have this pressure, 274 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.320 like that's why I always say I think like really 275 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:40.039 religious people like Mormons, for example, are always secretly dirty 276 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:44.039 perverts that are addicted to porn because if you're me, 277 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.000 you can look at porn whenever you want, so it's 278 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.440 just it doesn't have to become this like intense secret. 279 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:52.919 But I feel like whenever you have this pressure to 280 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.759 not be something, you kind of have an itch to 281 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.320 be that because you're being told not to so been 282 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.039 being told to be this good, normal girl, and she 283 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.759 has this itch where like I want to date Johnny 284 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.919 Depp and hang out with him because he's he's just 285 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.399 so handsome and appealing and not everything that I'm used to. 286 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:12.279 Does that make sense? 287 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:13.679 Mm hmm. 288 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:19.320 Yeah, that's interesting because he also introduces always at the 289 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.799 one character who's kind of like strikingly different even when 290 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.120 it comes to the visual appearance basically, so in this case, 291 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.279 of course, it's yet another reason for me to choose 292 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:33.279 the film because she's Polish, and that's more Malarovsky hatchet face, 293 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.919 I mean phenomenal character, Like I live single scene in 294 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:43.840 which she was present. So yeah, attention to like anything 295 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.039 that's kind of off the grade, anything that's kind of 296 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:53.720 more outside of the of the propriety of the beauty, 297 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:57.960 of this kind of canonic ideas of what life should 298 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:03.840 be like. And she's definitely not of those, and and she's. 299 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:08.599 Beautiful, so yeah, hatchet face, Well, hatchet faces, I'm a 300 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.759 contradicted rap just said hatchet faces. And there's like a 301 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:14.680 greaser gang and like a preppy gang. I guess you 302 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.799 could call him a gang. And hatchet Face is just 303 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:21.160 this very ugly woman who's called hack that's in the 304 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:22.480 Sorry what squares and drapes? 305 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:24.839 The squares and drapes. The squares are. 306 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:27.240 The squares are the preppy kids. 307 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:28.480 The drapes are the greasers. 308 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.160 Hatchet Face is a very ugly woman who is called 309 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.440 hatchet Face that's in the drapes, And it's like, hey, 310 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:38.480 we're casting a really ugly woman. You're great for that, 311 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.519 Like that's gotta be a bummer. 312 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:46.599 But you know, he somehow gets away with it. It's 313 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.519 somehow like he he's kind of putting it in your 314 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.319 face so much that it like get he gets away 315 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.079 with this sort of like political incorrectness. I mean yeah, 316 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.480 because there was actually correctness and incorrectness in it at 317 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.319 the same time, because there was incorrectness of kind of 318 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.279 showing her as she is, because it's kind of in 319 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:03.000 your face, but at the same time that it's correct 320 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.559 because she's actually part of the best gang there is, 321 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:08.400 like she actually gets a recognition of it, and not 322 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:12.440 because of whatever judgment that could be based of what 323 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.759 she looks like, but she actually gets the recognition of 324 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.279 being what she is as a kind of, you know, 325 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.160 piece of art every human being is. But also the gang, 326 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.720 the gang genuinely like the way her presenting it is 327 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.519 that I don't even it doesn't even feel like a joke. 328 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.839 Like the Gang like her Gang genuinely believes she's beautiful 329 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.839 and appreciates her and like respects her. So I think 330 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:33.920 that's what's also nice. 331 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.680 That, like John shows, I think that moment at the 332 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.640 end when privately says that on the stage, it feels 333 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.440 very earnest in the movie, do. 334 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.680 You actually believe that the cow that runs away is 335 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:50.559 representation of the normal society? 336 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:51.839 That kind of kind of you know. 337 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.960 I think we talked when I went over Marty Supreme, 338 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:03.759 I talked about how much I hate stunt casting. John 339 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:08.759 Waters is how stunt casting totally works. And John Waters 340 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:10.960 does stunt casting all the time, but it works for 341 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.319 his films because they're intentionally over the top ridiculous. And 342 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.759 two examples of stunt casting in this movie. The first 343 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:23.039 is Tracy Lords, who's a famous porn star that we 344 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:28.279 talked about in Cerial Mom. She plays this I don't 345 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.519 even know how you describe her high school student first 346 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.799 of all looking great, but she's like a high school 347 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:41.680 student who has a very square, naive set of parents 348 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:46.200 that don't get that. She's sort of like the school tramp. 349 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.559 I would say, yes. 350 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:51.480 Does that make sense? 351 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.440 And the other stunt casting, which he has used multiple 352 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.599 times is Patty Hurst plays Tracey Lord's mom. Do you 353 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:03.720 guys know Patty Hurst? 354 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:07.400 I so, I actually looked up because we just watched 355 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.880 this movie, you know, right before the we started recording, 356 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:13.519 and I was like, the mom looks familiar, and I 357 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.839 thought maybe she was in the old movies that we 358 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.400 watched as well. But then I looked up Patty Like 359 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:21.519 I saw Patty Hurst. I was like, I know this name, 360 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:24.039 but how do I know it? And I'm not sure 361 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:28.400 like what she's coming from. Is she like a famous 362 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.279 like did she kill someone or something? 363 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.200 This is so John Waters. 364 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:33.279 So. 365 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.680 Patty Hurst in nineteen seventy four was kidnapped by a 366 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:41.559 cult called the SLA. And the SLA stands for the 367 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:48.640 Symbionese Liberation Army and the term Stockholm syndrome basically became 368 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.119 completely mainstream in American culture because of Patty Hurst. So, 369 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.839 She's kidnapped by the SLA, got Stockholm syndrome and completely 370 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:59.519 integrated and fell in love with all these people and 371 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.680 considered them like her family and friends. And then the 372 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.599 SLA later robbed a bank and Patty Hurst participated in 373 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:10.400 the bank robbery. Then she was caught and arrested, and 374 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.559 her defense was like she had Stockholm syndrome. She was terrorized, 375 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:17.880 brainwashed and robbed this bank under duress, and she ended 376 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:22.680 up being found guilty and sentenced, but I don't think 377 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.480 the sentence was very severe. And then she got out 378 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:26.839 of prison and starred in several John Waters movies. 379 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.519 He talks about it a lot because he is obsessed 380 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:34.799 with court cases, so he would just go to courthouses 381 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:35.440 to kill time. 382 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.480 And he said he went to like almost all of 383 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:38.240 her proceedings. 384 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:40.359 He was like such a huge fan, and I'm like, 385 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.319 it's like, where all this comes from is unreal. 386 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:46.200 Also shows up in his movies a lot. I feel 387 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:47.880 like there's always like a coin scene. 388 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:56.599 While yeah, he he has he's obsessed with crime and 389 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.279 serial killers and he's communic. He's written letters in real 390 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:06.519 life it's like correspondence to actual serial killers. So it's yeah, 391 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:10.440 it's a it's and oh, Johnny Depp's dad they reference 392 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:13.480 is a serial killer in this movie. He's the Alphabet Bomber, 393 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:17.640 which is like a fictional serial killer, while Amy Locaine 394 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.400 is an orphan. I think we fall mentioned that her 395 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:25.920 her parents flew somewhere, took separate, separate planes in case 396 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:28.519 one of the planes crashed, and both of the planes 397 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:30.240 simultaneously crashed laving. 398 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:35.079 Yeah. 399 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:38.279 Also, so Ricky Lake, the entire movie. 400 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:42.039 Is pregnant, correct, Yes, Pepper Pepper. 401 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.240