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Speaker 1: Okay, well, welcome back. We're discussing, as I just said
Speaker 1: before the.
Speaker 2: Break. Here, we were.
Speaker 1: Discussing the nineteen ninety film starring Johnny Depp directed by
Speaker 1: John Waters called cry Baby. And who selected cry Baby
Speaker 1: is their choice? That is me refall, hooray, So what
Speaker 1: is it? What is it like to be forced to
Speaker 1: select an American movie?
Speaker 4: It's a struggle.
Speaker 1: Now have you have you seen cry Baby? And whether
Speaker 1: you have not, whether you had or had not before this,
Speaker 1: why did you pick Cry Baby I have, So.
Speaker 5: It was actually the second time I watched it.
Speaker 4: And what made me go for it.
Speaker 5: I think probably the fact that it's kind of, like,
Speaker 5: of all of the films by John Waters, one of
Speaker 5: the most digests the ball kind of in an easy way.
Speaker 5: It has a kind of storyline that's kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: manageable to navigate actually triggers the events, which isn't always
Speaker 5: a given. And probably Johnny also contributed, let's be frank
Speaker 5: young and beautiful.
Speaker 1: Very young and beautiful Ryan, And this is from from.
Speaker 2: Hoskins.
Speaker 1: From my understanding, this is when he was like teen Heartthrobed,
Speaker 1: twenty one, Jump Street nightmarn Old Street. And he was like,
Speaker 1: because Johnny has a pretty weird dude, he always has been.
Speaker 1: So he was like, I'm going to choose something that's
Speaker 1: going to get me out of, you know, being a
Speaker 1: mainstream Like I don't want to be in like a
Speaker 1: rom com directed by who gives the ship? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll make a movie with John Waters. That was my
Speaker 1: understanding on his choice.
Speaker 4: Crazy also quite interesting.
Speaker 2: What you sorry, Ryan? What did you say?
Speaker 3: Same years war Sis Her Hands?
Speaker 6: You could have told me this was five years before
Speaker 6: I was blown away.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 7: Sorry, sorry, Yeah, So I was just kind of having
Speaker 7: this realization also that I think what also kind of
Speaker 7: you know, got me to to choose it was how
Speaker 7: this narrative also kind of feels a bit more digestible
Speaker 7: for me as non American because it's kind of playing
Speaker 7: into this idea of what we know about America kind
Speaker 7: of you know, from the outside perspective, with this kind
Speaker 7: of golden times of the fifties rock and roll revolution,
Speaker 7: it kind of feels like it's more American in the
Speaker 7: mainstream sense of being American, rather than this kind of
Speaker 7: only ebb of fringe, which is probably more the case
Speaker 7: in other films. So I think this kind of also
Speaker 7: probably contributed to the choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah overall, Yeah, I mean John Waters is clearly obsessed
Speaker 1: with the fifties, which is like when he grew up,
Speaker 1: because I think he's eighty now do you know how
Speaker 1: old he is?
Speaker 3: Ryan and think you just da right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he loves big hair, just you know, the
Speaker 1: fifties aesthetic.
Speaker 2: He's very into.
Speaker 1: But I also wanted to mention which you three may
Speaker 1: not be familiar with. So the female lead of this
Speaker 1: movie is Amy Locine, and she's just she had.
Speaker 2: Some moments in the nineties.
Speaker 1: I said that she's sort of to me like a doppelgainer,
Speaker 1: doppelganger for Christina Applegate. They just have similar vibes and
Speaker 1: similar roles that they could play. But she was in
Speaker 1: school ties. She classic film that I love, Airheads. She
Speaker 1: was Brendan Fraser's girlfriend, but she was in pre Fontaine.
Speaker 1: But you know, she was I'm not criticizing her in
Speaker 1: any way, like she wasn't a bad actress, but she
Speaker 1: was just really, really beautiful and that's why she was
Speaker 1: successful when she was younger, and as she got older,
Speaker 1: as happens in Hollywood, you know, the roles kind of
Speaker 1: dried up for her. But I think this is so
Speaker 1: fascinating in an awful way. So I think this is
Speaker 1: wrong what happened to her, even though she killed someone.
Speaker 1: So Amy Locine killed someone while she was drinking and driving.
Speaker 1: She had a point two to three blood alcohol level
Speaker 1: and hit another car and killed a six year old woman.
Speaker 1: She went to trial and was sentenced to three years
Speaker 1: in jail, and she was sentence of five years in jail,
Speaker 1: but got out in three and then she so she's
Speaker 1: out of jail. She served her sentence. She's amongst the
Speaker 1: public now, and this is what I think is so
Speaker 1: fucked up. I don't care what she did. I think
Speaker 1: this is wrong. The family was so upset that she
Speaker 1: got out in three years that they asked a judge
Speaker 1: to review the sentence, and a judge reviewed the sentence
Speaker 1: and changed it to be longer and sent her back
Speaker 1: to jail after she had served her sentence and got out.
Speaker 1: So she went back to jail in twenty sixteen and
Speaker 1: got out in twenty No, she was she'll wait. No,
Speaker 1: an appeals court ruled that the three year sentence would
Speaker 1: be re reviewed. In twenty nineteen, she was sentenced to
Speaker 1: five more years behind bars. So she eventually got out
Speaker 1: of jail in twenty twenty four. At that point her
Speaker 1: husband had divorced her and got costing her children. So
Speaker 1: that sucks.
Speaker 3: When do' this happen? When the riding happen?
Speaker 1: The accident happened in two thousand and ten, yeah, twenty ten,
Speaker 1: June twenty ten. So I didn't think that was possible, honestly,
Speaker 1: to serve your sentence and get out of jail then
Speaker 1: to be re sentenced. I've never heard of that out
Speaker 1: in my life. So that sucks, and it sucks that
Speaker 1: her life turned out this way, but so it kind
Speaker 1: of made me sad, like reading that about her anyways,
Speaker 1: I went down a whole rabbit hole back to her
Speaker 1: fall to about this movie.
Speaker 4: Well, let's get back to the movie then.
Speaker 5: Well, well, speaking of what happened to her afterwards, appenty,
Speaker 5: this whole scene with letting her men out of jail
Speaker 5: song was kind of in place, only the gender should
Speaker 5: be changed. Do you think somebody performed out at her
Speaker 5: window when she was in jail.
Speaker 1: If someone did, they were definitely not as good looking
Speaker 1: as Johnny Depp. But this being a musical surprised me too,
Speaker 1: because it's like, we'll talk about it later, but you
Speaker 1: can make pink flamingos or you can make a very
Speaker 1: successful musical like Hairspray. And John Waters is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like depends on the mood I'm in, I'll
Speaker 1: do one or the other. And Ryan, if I'm correct
Speaker 1: in assuming this Crybaby did not do well financially.
Speaker 6: I don't think any of them who have been like big,
Speaker 6: even like the more mainstream ones, have ever been like big,
Speaker 6: big hits. I think they all just kind of break
Speaker 6: even but he writes all this stuff like it's weird
Speaker 6: because like for someone who like went from truly his
Speaker 6: own world and then kind of went to quote unquote mainstream,
Speaker 6: it's never been like John Waters sold out. It's always
Speaker 6: been like his own thing he's done. It's never been
Speaker 6: on a bigger stage. You have to compromise in some way,
Speaker 6: but it's never been like like, even though this is
Speaker 6: a more mainstream movie, doesn't feel like he's not in it,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can accuse John Waters of selling
Speaker 1: out because of what It's not like he stopped making
Speaker 1: insane movies and only made cry Babies moving forward, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like, what I'm floored by is that like when you
Speaker 6: look at like the mainstream ones and like who produces them,
Speaker 6: It's like, like I think, like this guy who made Cryberry,
Speaker 6: made Brian Grazer, made all of like Ron Howard's movies
Speaker 6: and did like splash, does he see playing from Angos
Speaker 6: and be like call that guy tomorrow and get him
Speaker 6: in the room. It's just like it's so interesting, Like
Speaker 6: how does this happen in a good way?
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mark, had you seen it before? And did
Speaker 1: you do you like cry Baby?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: We we watched it actually in Iceland. I think because
Speaker 5: there was this period of like I was just kind
Speaker 5: of making my way from his early stuff to the
Speaker 5: you know, I have never made it past Cereal Mom actually,
Speaker 5: and I only watched Cereal Mom recently after your pod
Speaker 5: you know with bone Person, so uh and Ben, of
Speaker 5: course you're a correspondent. But but yeah, like cry Baby,
Speaker 5: I did like it. I actually liked it better the
Speaker 5: second time like watching it, and I think maybe it
Speaker 5: was a nice like paliate cleanser because I I think
Speaker 5: we will talk later about the like this trilogy that
Speaker 5: we kind of ended up choosing from uh, of movies,
Speaker 5: they get a bit like there's a lot of screaming.
Speaker 4: It like gets like watching them in a row.
Speaker 5: It's like it gets like I love them, but it
Speaker 5: also gets a bit much. So I think this is
Speaker 5: a nice palate cleanser and nice like you know, just
Speaker 5: some acting, some funny aspects.
Speaker 4: So overall I enjoyed Cry Baby.
Speaker 5: I think this aspect of like Johnny Depp in his
Speaker 5: tier and the ending is is really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan, what about you?
Speaker 6: I made the mistake of starting with this, not because
Speaker 6: of the movie, but I like, as Mark said, like
Speaker 6: they just they just get so loud and you're.
Speaker 3: Just like, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 6: And because of just sheer timing, because I saw you
Speaker 6: tim Tuesday, I had to watch two of them like
Speaker 6: during work, like and like working from a computer, so
Speaker 6: I would just like be doing something and you can't
Speaker 6: not get like, what the fuck is happening here? And again,
Speaker 6: like especially when like Divine screams, it's just so loud,
Speaker 6: it's just so it's just the tone. So I made
Speaker 6: a fatal error in starting with so like, oh Craperty
Speaker 6: Story the longest one, because it's a mainstream movie, I'm like,
Speaker 6: I better start with this first.
Speaker 3: And that was a mistake, but a good one, I guess.
Speaker 1: I think all John Waters movies include It's always like
Speaker 1: normal people in a town, but they're very unreasonable and
Speaker 1: and very over the top of their emotions. Yes, so, like, well,
Speaker 1: so I had never seen cry Baby. It's it's free
Speaker 1: on YouTube, and I truly mean free, like anybody can
Speaker 1: go on YouTube and watch it with ads. I it
Speaker 1: was not for me, Like, I you know, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I didn't dislike it. I thought it was well made
Speaker 1: and it was impressed by the music. But I just
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I don't really I don't really care.
Speaker 1: But well, I you know, we probably should have done
Speaker 1: this already. But Rafall, will you, you know, in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: explain what this movie is about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the story is about the.
Speaker 7: Love in social conflict circumstances, which I believe is also
Speaker 7: a common theme for anything that John Wallers actually did,
Speaker 7: because there was also always a.
Speaker 4: Social type of.
Speaker 5: Mismatch that kind of results in whatever events we actually
Speaker 5: end up observing. And what I kind of took out
Speaker 5: of this story in which we basically are being guided
Speaker 5: through a love story between a boy from let's say,
Speaker 5: lower strata and a girl from probably elite of the
Speaker 5: society who actually ended up being together happily shockingly enough,
Speaker 5: is that, unlike in other films, it was actually quite
Speaker 5: visible that he left space over here for transitioning between
Speaker 5: the stratas society. This was actually very interesting to me
Speaker 5: in this film, So we actually observe two major female
Speaker 5: characters just kind of finding themselves initially in the wrong
Speaker 5: area of society and then basically swapping roles and just
Speaker 5: kind of taking over from one another and just living
Speaker 5: there forever Cappy Live afterwards. I love how deep you're
Speaker 5: getting about because it's deep to me, Like, I absolutely yes.
Speaker 5: Like it's a different type of narrative.
Speaker 7: Than you know, Dirty Underwear in the trilogy, right, that's
Speaker 7: kind of a different type of effects over here.
Speaker 5: But in general terms, yeah, love story that initially doesn't
Speaker 5: get any social blessing whatsoever. Then we get a couple
Speaker 5: of conflicting moments that also resolve around the past of
Speaker 5: both characters being both orphans and both having different type
Speaker 5: of life and upbring upbringing.
Speaker 4: The leads to.
Speaker 7: The major character, who is of course cast as Johnny
Speaker 7: ending up in jail and then magically freed from jail
Speaker 7: to live happy with the girl of his dreams, and
Speaker 7: he's nickname is cry Baby.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like a spoof on Grease. Grease is
Speaker 5: it not?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: I felt like I was like, were they at the school?
Speaker 5: I felt like at the beginning it was like.
Speaker 6: This, when they're doing the jail song, I was kind
Speaker 6: of like, Oh, this is what they're going for here
Speaker 6: when they're doing Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I would say like another theme is all of john
Speaker 1: Waters movies are intentionally over the top ridiculous, but I found.
Speaker 2: Fault had a very very good point.
Speaker 1: Is like what you kind of touched on, or at
Speaker 1: least what I was absorbing from what you said, is
Speaker 1: a major theme in John Waters movies is like the
Speaker 1: pressure of society to be quote unquote normal. And I assume,
Speaker 1: I mean I have am not gay yet, but I
Speaker 1: assume being gay growing up in a homophobic society, you
Speaker 1: feel a lot of pressure to not be gay, to
Speaker 1: be quote unquote normal. And I don't think it's always
Speaker 1: about being gay in John Waters movies, but like you know,
Speaker 1: Amy Lokaine is feeling pressure to be a good girl
Speaker 1: and not hang out with the greasers, and just you
Speaker 1: know everyone, first of all, nobody's normal in John Water's
Speaker 1: movies or in real life, Like none of us are
Speaker 1: normal at all, and if you all have this pressure,
Speaker 1: like that's why I always say I think like really
Speaker 1: religious people like Mormons, for example, are always secretly dirty
Speaker 1: perverts that are addicted to porn because if you're me,
Speaker 1: you can look at porn whenever you want, so it's
Speaker 1: just it doesn't have to become this like intense secret.
Speaker 1: But I feel like whenever you have this pressure to
Speaker 1: not be something, you kind of have an itch to
Speaker 1: be that because you're being told not to so been
Speaker 1: being told to be this good, normal girl, and she
Speaker 1: has this itch where like I want to date Johnny
Speaker 1: Depp and hang out with him because he's he's just
Speaker 1: so handsome and appealing and not everything that I'm used to.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting because he also introduces always at the
Speaker 5: one character who's kind of like strikingly different even when
Speaker 5: it comes to the visual appearance basically, so in this case,
Speaker 5: of course, it's yet another reason for me to choose
Speaker 5: the film because she's Polish, and that's more Malarovsky hatchet face,
Speaker 5: I mean phenomenal character, Like I live single scene in
Speaker 5: which she was present. So yeah, attention to like anything
Speaker 5: that's kind of off the grade, anything that's kind of
Speaker 5: more outside of the of the propriety of the beauty,
Speaker 5: of this kind of canonic ideas of what life should
Speaker 5: be like. And she's definitely not of those, and and she's.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, so yeah, hatchet face, Well, hatchet faces, I'm a
Speaker 1: contradicted rap just said hatchet faces. And there's like a
Speaker 1: greaser gang and like a preppy gang. I guess you
Speaker 1: could call him a gang. And hatchet Face is just
Speaker 1: this very ugly woman who's called hack that's in the
Speaker 1: Sorry what squares and drapes?
Speaker 3: The squares and drapes. The squares are.
Speaker 1: The squares are the preppy kids.
Speaker 2: The drapes are the greasers.
Speaker 1: Hatchet Face is a very ugly woman who is called
Speaker 1: hatchet Face that's in the drapes, And it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're casting a really ugly woman. You're great for that,
Speaker 1: Like that's gotta be a bummer.
Speaker 5: But you know, he somehow gets away with it. It's
Speaker 5: somehow like he he's kind of putting it in your
Speaker 5: face so much that it like get he gets away
Speaker 5: with this sort of like political incorrectness. I mean yeah,
Speaker 5: because there was actually correctness and incorrectness in it at
Speaker 5: the same time, because there was incorrectness of kind of
Speaker 5: showing her as she is, because it's kind of in
Speaker 5: your face, but at the same time that it's correct
Speaker 5: because she's actually part of the best gang there is,
Speaker 5: like she actually gets a recognition of it, and not
Speaker 5: because of whatever judgment that could be based of what
Speaker 5: she looks like, but she actually gets the recognition of
Speaker 5: being what she is as a kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: piece of art every human being is. But also the gang,
Speaker 5: the gang genuinely like the way her presenting it is
Speaker 5: that I don't even it doesn't even feel like a joke.
Speaker 5: Like the Gang like her Gang genuinely believes she's beautiful
Speaker 5: and appreciates her and like respects her. So I think
Speaker 5: that's what's also nice.
Speaker 6: That, like John shows, I think that moment at the
Speaker 6: end when privately says that on the stage, it feels
Speaker 6: very earnest in the movie, do.
Speaker 5: You actually believe that the cow that runs away is
Speaker 5: representation of the normal society?
Speaker 4: That kind of kind of you know.
Speaker 1: I think we talked when I went over Marty Supreme,
Speaker 1: I talked about how much I hate stunt casting. John
Speaker 1: Waters is how stunt casting totally works. And John Waters
Speaker 1: does stunt casting all the time, but it works for
Speaker 1: his films because they're intentionally over the top ridiculous. And
Speaker 1: two examples of stunt casting in this movie. The first
Speaker 1: is Tracy Lords, who's a famous porn star that we
Speaker 1: talked about in Cerial Mom. She plays this I don't
Speaker 1: even know how you describe her high school student first
Speaker 1: of all looking great, but she's like a high school
Speaker 1: student who has a very square, naive set of parents
Speaker 1: that don't get that. She's sort of like the school tramp.
Speaker 1: I would say, yes.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: And the other stunt casting, which he has used multiple
Speaker 1: times is Patty Hurst plays Tracey Lord's mom. Do you
Speaker 1: guys know Patty Hurst?
Speaker 5: I so, I actually looked up because we just watched
Speaker 5: this movie, you know, right before the we started recording,
Speaker 5: and I was like, the mom looks familiar, and I
Speaker 5: thought maybe she was in the old movies that we
Speaker 5: watched as well. But then I looked up Patty Like
Speaker 5: I saw Patty Hurst. I was like, I know this name,
Speaker 5: but how do I know it? And I'm not sure
Speaker 5: like what she's coming from. Is she like a famous
Speaker 5: like did she kill someone or something?
Speaker 1: This is so John Waters.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Patty Hurst in nineteen seventy four was kidnapped by a
Speaker 1: cult called the SLA. And the SLA stands for the
Speaker 1: Symbionese Liberation Army and the term Stockholm syndrome basically became
Speaker 1: completely mainstream in American culture because of Patty Hurst. So,
Speaker 1: She's kidnapped by the SLA, got Stockholm syndrome and completely
Speaker 1: integrated and fell in love with all these people and
Speaker 1: considered them like her family and friends. And then the
Speaker 1: SLA later robbed a bank and Patty Hurst participated in
Speaker 1: the bank robbery. Then she was caught and arrested, and
Speaker 1: her defense was like she had Stockholm syndrome. She was terrorized,
Speaker 1: brainwashed and robbed this bank under duress, and she ended
Speaker 1: up being found guilty and sentenced, but I don't think
Speaker 1: the sentence was very severe. And then she got out
Speaker 1: of prison and starred in several John Waters movies.
Speaker 6: He talks about it a lot because he is obsessed
Speaker 6: with court cases, so he would just go to courthouses
Speaker 6: to kill time.
Speaker 3: And he said he went to like almost all of
Speaker 3: her proceedings.
Speaker 6: He was like such a huge fan, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: it's like, where all this comes from is unreal.
Speaker 5: Also shows up in his movies a lot. I feel
Speaker 5: like there's always like a coin scene.
Speaker 1: While yeah, he he has he's obsessed with crime and
Speaker 1: serial killers and he's communic. He's written letters in real
Speaker 1: life it's like correspondence to actual serial killers. So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's and oh, Johnny Depp's dad they reference
Speaker 1: is a serial killer in this movie. He's the Alphabet Bomber,
Speaker 1: which is like a fictional serial killer, while Amy Locaine
Speaker 1: is an orphan. I think we fall mentioned that her
Speaker 1: her parents flew somewhere, took separate, separate planes in case
Speaker 1: one of the planes crashed, and both of the planes
Speaker 1: simultaneously crashed laving.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, so Ricky Lake, the entire movie.
Speaker 2: Is pregnant, correct, Yes, Pepper Pepper.
Speaker 1: And Johnny Depp describes her as Pepper is pregnant and
Speaker 1: can fight like a man. Great line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was amazing.
Speaker 5: I also was like, Pepper has two kids, and I
Speaker 5: was like, when did she have these kids? Because she's
Speaker 5: like supposed to be what, like, you know, seventeen, and
Speaker 5: the kids are already like at least like six years old.
Speaker 1: She's pregnant, she says a third.
Speaker 5: She's she's hoping for triplets.
Speaker 1: Oh so in every PG thirteen movie, you're allowed to
Speaker 1: do one fuck and Patty Hurst says the one fuck
Speaker 1: where Tracy Lord's mom, Patty Hurst does not know, has
Speaker 1: never heard the word fuck before. It's new to her
Speaker 1: and us, so somebody like it is explaining it to
Speaker 1: her and she says to the judge, can we take
Speaker 1: one to the fuck home in the.
Speaker 2: Middle of court? I really like that a lot. What
Speaker 2: I have some random notes. Willem Dafoe is in this.
Speaker 4: Wasn't that him?
Speaker 2: Yep? Yeah, he's a prison guard?
Speaker 1: I wrote, what the fuck is this? Of course this.
Speaker 2: Movie didn't make any money, m.
Speaker 1: What so part of the plot of the movie is
Speaker 1: about singing, so refall, like, do you want to explain
Speaker 1: the singing contests and how they won't let him sing?
Speaker 7: Basically, So again, considering there was actually two signs of society,
Speaker 7: both of them kind of you know, en and produce
Speaker 7: different types of music, and with the major characters being
Speaker 7: involved in performing, this kind of creates this alternative way
Speaker 7: of developing your career, either within the square type of
Speaker 7: the society or within this kind of more fringe liberators area.
Speaker 7: And yeah, like I didn't really kind of navigate the
Speaker 7: contest because I have no idea like what like it's
Speaker 7: you know, the contest to me is actually something that
Speaker 7: somebody wins. And I didn't really kind of pay attention
Speaker 7: or like, I didn't really grab the idea of actually
Speaker 7: one and what so this was kind of a foreign
Speaker 7: concept for probably, but in general terms, it kind of,
Speaker 7: you know, ends with the main female character just basically
Speaker 7: performing either within the square framage that she was born
Speaker 7: into or within this kind of you know, gang, and
Speaker 7: she clearly finds the performances with the gang more.
Speaker 4: Appealing, more liberated.
Speaker 5: She's more liberated, she's more herself, and she definitely is
Speaker 5: also more present and visible, which kind of also I
Speaker 5: think shows this idea of her being quite objectified within
Speaker 5: the constraint of the classical society, whereas well she's actually
Speaker 5: on the kind of a wild rock and roll stage.
Speaker 5: She's just kind of being a free woman. I'm sorry, sorry, no,
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say one of the music like scenes,
Speaker 5: like I absolutely loved it, which I was laughing at
Speaker 5: a lot, was when basically she gets with Johnny and
Speaker 5: then the party that they're at or like this kind
Speaker 5: of festival, that music festival they're at, gets broken up
Speaker 5: by the police and everyone goes to jail, and then
Speaker 5: you find there's this other character who loves Johnny, and
Speaker 5: she goes on the news and says that she's pregnant
Speaker 5: with his child, which then like the other main girl,
Speaker 5: I forget her name is a bit upset, and she
Speaker 5: has this square boyfriend and he does this scene where
Speaker 5: he does like a bunny hop down the street with
Speaker 5: the band get the back. But I just love that
Speaker 5: because I was so stupid. But he like bunny helps
Speaker 5: all the way, and she's even pissed herself, like look
Speaker 5: good the window, Like what is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so cringe, And I have a bunch of
Speaker 1: notes about what you just said. First of all, when
Speaker 1: the police come and break it up, this is a
Speaker 1: great like moment that you barely notice. All of the
Speaker 1: white teenagers are thrown into a paddy wagon and driven away.
Speaker 1: All of the black teenagers are thrown into some dude's
Speaker 1: pickup truck that's wrapped in barbed wire and driven away.
Speaker 1: And so what part of the like sex is obviously
Speaker 1: bad in this nineteen fifties society. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: they don't want to allow Johnny Depp to sing is
Speaker 1: because it makes girls too horny. And there's a scene
Speaker 1: in the movie where he sings and all the girls
Speaker 1: are wearing these sort of long poodle skirts. All the
Speaker 1: girls hearing him sing just like simultaneously take their panties
Speaker 1: off under their skirts.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: But there's a line where this girl says, you know,
Speaker 1: that's saying she's pregnant with Johnny baby. Her name is Leonora,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember if as Tracy Lawd's, but somebody says,
Speaker 1: you're a square, Leonora, but you're still a tramp.
Speaker 3: I love my favorite line in this entire movie.
Speaker 5: It was Grandma.
Speaker 3: It was Grandma.
Speaker 6: It was the way she delivered that line was flawless.
Speaker 6: I was dying laughing at that. It was so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Grandma's great Ryan. Why don't you briefly explain Grandma.
Speaker 6: It's interesting because what were false and earlier. I think
Speaker 6: Grandma's interestingly representative of that, because you'd think, like the
Speaker 6: grandmother of Amy Lokane's character would be like the hardest
Speaker 6: person to get on his side.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of surprising how.
Speaker 6: Like after the scene in the church when she gets
Speaker 6: in the bike with him, the Grandma's like, okay, like
Speaker 6: you can do this, and the grandma kind of joins
Speaker 6: them and she kind of accepts him, and I just thought,
Speaker 6: like any other movie, it's the exact opposite, or it's
Speaker 6: like an ending dramatic scene where she finally accepts him,
Speaker 6: so I relect Grandma. She was also into the priest
Speaker 6: the jail Wharton.
Speaker 1: I think Grandma secretly wanted it too, Like Grandma wants
Speaker 1: to be Amul Locaine rebelling deep down, but it's just too.
Speaker 3: Late for her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, unless she has and it's just not shown.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's just you know, in her past.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 5: But also another Grandma is just as great of a character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask Hi about her too. Refall
Speaker 1: or Mark, do you want to explain Johnny Depp's grandma.
Speaker 7: She has a wonderful hat that's like made out of
Speaker 7: a duck or what. It's so trily attacks to dremy
Speaker 7: duck on top of her head.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with legs. It even has danglely legs.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is actually something I was saying to like
Speaker 5: to Rafa when we were watching, and I didn't realize,
Speaker 5: maybe this is stupid of me, like because they have
Speaker 5: the Confederate flags like very present in this, and I
Speaker 5: didn't realize the sort of like hillbilly aspect of Maryland
Speaker 5: or like this sort of like Confederacy hillbilly like part
Speaker 5: of Maryland's maybe like you can talk about that cup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could. I can. So Maryland is very weird
Speaker 1: because it's not the North and it's not the South.
Speaker 1: It's sort of culturally similar to the North and the
Speaker 1: South in both ways, but it's not really either. It's
Speaker 1: you know, it's called the mid Atlantic, it's called the DMV,
Speaker 1: but Maryland and specifically Baltimore, is incredibly black. It is
Speaker 1: uh do the DMV uh you know d C Washington.
Speaker 1: D C is right in the middle of that. DC
Speaker 1: is nicknamed Chocolate City because it's so black and because
Speaker 1: of the like one of the reasons that Boston isn't
Speaker 1: as isn't as overtly racist is because it's mostly white.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like like you're not gonna have racial
Speaker 1: conflict in China if you're in a city that's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent Chinese people, because there's no there's no racism
Speaker 1: to be had there. But there's conflict in there's a
Speaker 1: history of conflict in Baltimore. Obviously, you know Freddy Gray
Speaker 1: and everything that that happened there. So Maryland is kind
Speaker 1: of like I think, first of all, I think like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of white people in Maryland that are
Speaker 1: racist because it's a heavily populated black city, and I
Speaker 1: think it's more normal to it's more casually accepted by
Speaker 1: white people in my anecdotal experience in life to accept
Speaker 1: racism against black people if you're in an area with
Speaker 1: a lot of black people, Like I never experienced racism
Speaker 1: growing up in Massachusetts. But at the same time, there
Speaker 1: was no black people where I grew up. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like New York, where if the city itself is
Speaker 1: so blue and so so liberal, so democratic, but then
Speaker 1: the whole rest of the city of New York is
Speaker 1: very red. Maryland's like that. So Maryland it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a Alabama. But if you go outside of
Speaker 1: the city and you go into the county, like you
Speaker 1: can get pretty, you can get pretty redneck or hic
Speaker 1: real fast. I would say, so, yeah, yeah, that's my
Speaker 1: explanation of that. So it doesn't surprise me that he
Speaker 1: would depict Maryland as, especially outside of Baltimore itself, as
Speaker 1: racist or hillbilly.
Speaker 5: M Yeah, but like that was a bit surprising to me.
Speaker 5: But that's why Grandma, like Grandma and her like new
Speaker 5: husband are like they've been together for ten years or something,
Speaker 5: kind of referenced that they just like here's me. His
Speaker 5: name is uncle Belvidare. Uncle yet another Polish reference, is
Speaker 5: it Belvidere is the most recognizable and the best exports
Speaker 5: balts c from Poland.
Speaker 6: So yeah, they just like.
Speaker 5: Kind of live in the in the woods and she
Speaker 5: has this kind of club house that's also a bit
Speaker 5: like spooky themed or like like what's.
Speaker 4: Going on there?
Speaker 5: But she's just like she's also like she's into the greasers,
Speaker 5: Like she's she's very happy with Crybaby and his group
Speaker 5: of friends, and she hosts like music events. Yeah, very
Speaker 5: supportive of the Greasers, I'd say.
Speaker 1: At one point, Ricky Lake's children are taken away and
Speaker 1: they're shown later in basically the orphanage is depicted as
Speaker 1: a pet store, yes, where it's like they have like
Speaker 1: a straw floor and the children are playing in the
Speaker 1: window and they're like, well, this child loves to play,
Speaker 1: you know. It's basically like this. Yeah, that's that's what
Speaker 1: it was. Changing the subject. But another one of my
Speaker 1: favorite lines in this movie. So mink Stool is in
Speaker 1: this movie, and mink Stool has been in the literally
Speaker 1: she's an actress. She's been in literally every single John
Speaker 1: Waters movie ever made, and she's smoking in court and
Speaker 1: the judge says to her, there's no smoking in the courtroom,
Speaker 1: and she says, I pay taxes on cigarettes, and I wrote,
Speaker 1: I wrote, like, checkmate, that's exact actly right.
Speaker 5: She's smoking and she's in an iron lung.
Speaker 6: She's we like added the process to get that into
Speaker 6: a courtroom. Unreal.
Speaker 1: I pay taxes on cigarettes, and like, I'm paying your salary.
Speaker 4: Which I love a lot.
Speaker 3: The mirror to like the rear view mirror look at people.
Speaker 3: It's fucking brilliant. I love that.
Speaker 5: I was actually waiting, like because I saw her in
Speaker 5: the opening credits and I was like, I was just
Speaker 5: waiting for, like, who is she going to be this time?
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I'm a big fan of Minkstall after
Speaker 1: this this podcast series. But uh, the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: Like one of the climaxes at the end of the
Speaker 1: movie is there's a game of chicken. And I thought chicken,
Speaker 1: like a game of chicken was such a thing to
Speaker 1: me as a child. I always saw it in pop
Speaker 1: culture and fiction, it was in movies, and it was
Speaker 1: totally normal to me. And I thought, like, CC is
Speaker 1: not going to know what that is. Does refall even
Speaker 1: do isfall familiar with the game of chicken. But that's
Speaker 1: just like very of the time, I thought to.
Speaker 7: Me, Yeah, so I like I kind of knew it
Speaker 7: from again some like other films where it would be displayed,
Speaker 7: but I didn't even kind of know that it would
Speaker 7: be called chicken in the first place. I like, you know,
Speaker 7: this sort of like racing by by all means of
Speaker 7: kind of not trying to basically put your put your
Speaker 7: what opponent into the place where they just you.
Speaker 5: Know, crash crash y out just you know, cannot handle
Speaker 5: the pressure. And that's how you like win because you
Speaker 5: have I don't know what's.
Speaker 1: Balls, suicidal craziness, but it's one of those things, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: Or you're young enough, right, because that's also exactly what
Speaker 7: the whole story is about.
Speaker 4: Like Johnny performing in the jail, he.
Speaker 5: Also kind of you know, over there, or cry Baby
Speaker 5: says that he's only he sings that he's only in
Speaker 5: jail because of being so young.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is one of those things of the time,
Speaker 1: just consuming fiction that has no correlation to real life.
Speaker 1: And I use Quicksand as the example, like if you're seven,
Speaker 1: if me at seven, if you were to ask me
Speaker 1: is quicksand an issue in the world, like are you
Speaker 1: gonna come across quicksand are you worried about Quicksand I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, absolutely, and it's just no, that's
Speaker 1: like does it does it ever exist anywhere? That's how
Speaker 1: I feel about Games of Chicken. But Ricky Lake gives birth.
Speaker 1: Ricky Lake gives birth during the game of Chicken, which
Speaker 1: is wonderful.
Speaker 5: Yea, in the back of the car is.
Speaker 7: But Mark, I remember you also were taking a note
Speaker 7: at the moment the sentence was passing the chords because
Speaker 7: I think you loved what they were actually sentenced for.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was rampant juvenile delinquency and I love.
Speaker 1: Buddy, Yeah that's not that's not a crime. You have
Speaker 1: to to find that a little further. Although nowadays who
Speaker 1: knows what you could be charged with or not charged
Speaker 1: with in the United States. So yeah, and go back
Speaker 1: for yeah, bringing it full circle, Ryan.
Speaker 7: And also speaking of the jail, I think was also
Speaker 7: kind of important to mention in the sense of, as
Speaker 7: you Tim said, like John Waller's being a gay guy,
Speaker 7: it's also how he is always going to smuggle some
Speaker 7: really good selection of very young studs somewhere albert and.
Speaker 4: That's the jail scene exactly.
Speaker 7: Like the average age in jail of the prisoner is
Speaker 7: approximately war twenty two. I think even of the guards,
Speaker 7: probably the oldest one is around thirty. So you know,
Speaker 7: for the most part, everybody's stopless, so kind of like
Speaker 7: very in good selection going on over it. I didn't
Speaker 7: know Maryland was actually such a warm state, but if
Speaker 7: it's mid Atlantic, then maybe it makes sense that everybody's
Speaker 7: have naked all the time in jail.
Speaker 1: I would say, like Baltimore is always good for being
Speaker 1: ten degrees hotter than Boston. That was my experience with it.
Speaker 1: Whatever Boston was, Baltimore's ten degrees hotter and or humid too.
Speaker 5: I also, I was saying to rap up, like I
Speaker 5: want an electric chair tattoo, Like now after this movie,
Speaker 5: Johnny Depp has an electric chair based off of his father's,
Speaker 5: like you know, a sentence like on his chest.
Speaker 4: And I was like, that actually is kind of nice.
Speaker 4: I think Hatch is coming from me.
Speaker 1: Really, really, Mark, you think that's kind of nice?
Speaker 5: Really the electric chare tattoo and the eye like the
Speaker 5: teardrop tettoo.
Speaker 1: Sun, what was the psychotic thing you said? To me recently,
Speaker 1: Oh that you you think Flea Bottom would be fun?
Speaker 1: And in Game of Thrones the slum, the slum in
Speaker 1: the capital city is called Flea Bottom, and Mark said,
Speaker 1: I think Flea Bottom would be fun, and I wrote back,
Speaker 1: every person from Flea Bottom is depicted as a complete
Speaker 1: psychopath murderer except for one character, So Flea Bottom would
Speaker 1: not be fun though.
Speaker 5: So a lot happening to the bottom. So I feel
Speaker 5: like you, you know, there's a lot of stimulation.
Speaker 2: That I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree that there'd be a lot of stimulation, like
Speaker 1: like rape and murder as if that stimulation.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to bring up just one more thing
Speaker 7: on my part because I feel that, you know, with
Speaker 7: us being in Iceland at the moment, it's important to
Speaker 7: kind of bring the Nordic references, which is actually the
Speaker 7: only foreign reference in the entire film, and maybe not
Speaker 7: the only one, but the most important one. How do
Speaker 7: you feel how do you feel about the Swedish exchange students?
Speaker 3: Oh, when.
Speaker 6: That's to her, they're gonna switch remember her mom's gonna
Speaker 6: switch out.
Speaker 5: Very very I'm going to send you forgot that was
Speaker 5: so important.
Speaker 7: She was a milkmaid apparently, and she came from Sweden
Speaker 7: for an exchange for which the I think Wanda was
Speaker 7: supposed to go to Sweden. Of course she never really
Speaker 7: did because she was going for the theme park opening.
Speaker 4: Like should think about the extention in sweet and just
Speaker 4: forget it.
Speaker 7: But I just kind of love this also a presentation
Speaker 7: of a you know, Nordic whatever, Swedish girl who will
Speaker 7: answer yeah to every question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fall I actually wanted to mention that I think
Speaker 1: we actually talked about this before in the pot, but
Speaker 1: Baltimore is incredibly Polish and in the wire there's they
Speaker 1: depict about how there's like a large Polish population and
Speaker 1: they have a lot of political poll in the community.
Speaker 1: But oh my, like the water just got turned on
Speaker 1: down by down here and it's so loud. But anyways,
Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned this too before, but there's
Speaker 1: a Polish genocide memorial that's very large and in like
Speaker 1: a central location in Baltimore. That's a Katian memorial.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 1: K A T y N. Yeah, So yeah, Baltimore is
Speaker 1: a very Polish place.
Speaker 7: Well, I just need to go visit and see if
Speaker 7: they also have a Polish triangle as gooods Boston does.
Speaker 1: That food is the Polish Triangle in Boston was legit good.
Speaker 1: I don't know how authentic it was, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was legit good. And what was like the you
Speaker 1: said that what I ordered the sub I ordered was
Speaker 1: like a two am drunk thing in Poland.
Speaker 7: Was conca Absolutely, when you make it to crackle, you
Speaker 7: just have to go to the square in the Jewish
Speaker 7: districts and just order it, because that's exactly the conference
Speaker 7: with everybody does after overdoing alcohol and everybody over over
Speaker 7: over dues, overdes alcohols, so you have to.
Speaker 4: Was sure.
Speaker 1: Zappi kanka? Is that what you just said?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that was very yummy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Those are all my notes on Crybaby? Did you would
Speaker 1: you have any other thoughts or themes you wanted to
Speaker 1: discuss for Crybaby?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's also covering most of mine.
Speaker 5: I just really liked the ending, like because the recurring
Speaker 5: Like the reason why I like Cribby has his nickname
Speaker 5: is because he has this very thick, like beautiful tier
Speaker 5: that kind of you know, runs down his face generally
Speaker 5: when he sees like his love and the movie, but
Speaker 5: at the end when a faulted tear, Yeah, and there
Speaker 5: is a scene also when he goes to jail his
Speaker 5: the girlfriend starts drinking her own tears to like feel
Speaker 5: like she's connected to him. But I just like the
Speaker 5: end scene where during the game of Chicken, like she
Speaker 5: gets thrown from a motorbike like into Johnny's arms and
Speaker 5: as she's like, the end scene is just like her
Speaker 5: flying across the sky and every single character they just
Speaker 5: show with the same tier that Johnny has had the
Speaker 5: entire movie, and then he catches her and it just
Speaker 5: they're both crying and then it ends, And I was like,
Speaker 5: that's a beautiful way to But I think.
Speaker 7: With the same time of the film, it's very important
Speaker 7: how Pepper delivers her third child in the car during
Speaker 7: the game, because I kind of love this kind of
Speaker 7: interconnecting themes of possibility of death which is inevitable, and
Speaker 7: then life coming new people and somewhat that's just so
Speaker 7: beautiful and so true about life.
Speaker 3: We got heavy so quick.
Speaker 6: Wow, as Mark Flag in the air was amazing too.
Speaker 3: I love that four minutes straight if our flying was great.
Speaker 1: Hey, Ryan, I just paused the episode so listeners won't
Speaker 1: hear this, but don't ever talk over me again.
Speaker 3: We talked about this.
Speaker 6: We talked about that, remember that with the attorney.
Speaker 3: But why would it ever get this bad? It's sad
Speaker 3: if you got that bad.
Speaker 1: Why we're doing this for We see each other and
Speaker 1: we're doing it for no money, and we're.
Speaker 6: Losing money doing this losing money?
Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, yeah, so uh well yeah, rupall. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is your movie. Anything else you wanted to discuss
Speaker 1: with cry Baby before we go to the next episode.
Speaker 3: No, truly.
Speaker 5: I think it's just a film that has a ton
Speaker 5: of beautiful scenes, and the problem is that's with you know,
Speaker 5: probably the approximate you won an hour per film, you
Speaker 5: would kind of get to the point where you feel like,
Speaker 5: oh no, I actually am ready, I'm going to bring
Speaker 5: up another scene and get another scene, and get another scene.
Speaker 5: I think the major thing about this film is just
Speaker 5: watch it. Just watch it and have your own opinion
Speaker 5: and then pick your own scenes.
Speaker 1: And I did. I'm not trying to make light of
Speaker 1: a six year old woman dying, but in searching stuff
Speaker 1: for Ammiel Locaine, I did see her mug shot. It
Speaker 1: came up on the Google image search and I was like,
Speaker 1: that is legitimately one of the hottest mugshots I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: She looks great.
Speaker 1: So now who's straight?
Speaker 4: Ryan?
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Gotcha? What? All right?
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for listening. We'll end it here and
Speaker 1: we'll bring it to the next new advice so we
Speaker 1: can do advice for each individual movie.
Speaker 2: Advice.
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, go ahead, Ryan.
Speaker 6: I love this line. I think it's so nice if
Speaker 6: I can actually find it now. Drapes are people too,
Speaker 6: they just look different. Oh, there's a nice takeaway from
Speaker 6: the movie.
Speaker 5: I would say, don't listen to your friends. If you
Speaker 5: want a electric chair tattoo on your chest, you should
Speaker 5: get it.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 1: Is That is just solid advice all across the board.
Speaker 1: I would say mine would be my cry baby advice
Speaker 1: would be in a game of Chicken, be ready to die.
Speaker 1: That's how you have to go into it. Just go
Speaker 1: into it thinking if I die, I win. That's how
Speaker 1: I approach life and rafall. What is your crybaby advice?
Speaker 5: I think my would be that if you want to
Speaker 5: make sure that your parents are okay, put them into
Speaker 5: four different planes.
Speaker 1: That's true, That is true. Yep, very good advice. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening. And one can say it gets
Speaker 1: much stranger from here, so it could be bad or good.
Speaker 1: It gets pretty dark and you know, we just did
Speaker 1: Henry Portrait of a serial Killer. So I think that
Speaker 1: people are not.
Speaker 3: If you guys are a great runway. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: I think that's what we have.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, cry Baby was a palate cleanser. I would
Speaker 1: say in between courses and yeah, we'll catch you on
Speaker 1: the felicity flip