WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.359 Writer, Welcome back. How you doing. 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:04.879 I'm doing great, Chris. Thanks for having me on again. 3 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:08.160 It's been a minute, it has and it's wonderful to 4 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:11.640 have you back. It has been a wild few years. 5 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:16.120 You've been a busy dude. We both have two films released, 6 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:19.960 one in the works, A Clockwork Shining with super Badass. 7 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.839 My friend can't wait for the new one. Right now 8 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.440 is an amazing time for filmmakers because we can do 9 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:31.079 everything ourselves, including distribution. It's a shit ton of work, 10 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:33.840 but it can be done. You and I are examples 11 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:36.359 of that. And today we're going to talk about your 12 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.039 new film and the works about psychic spies. We're all 13 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.240 about this here. Before we get into it, though, remind 14 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.679 the audience a little bit about yourself and let them 15 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:47.159 know how they can find out more. 16 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:52.159 I'm writer Lee. I am a director podcast host of 17 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:54.640 Raised by a Giants. You can find me on YouTube 18 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:57.719 and any and all podcast platforms and on the Forbidden 19 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:02.079 Knowledge News Network. Yeah, the psychic spy stuff is really 20 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:05.760 interesting to me. I got interested in it going through 21 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:09.200 the MK Ultra programs. So I found out that the 22 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:13.560 CIA was actually funding the Rockefeller Foundation for Behavioral Science, 23 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.920 which is psychology, and a few of those studies were 24 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:20.239 on gifted people. This was back in the fifties. They 25 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:26.560 were funding work into Duke University, Harvard and things like that. 26 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.079 And that's where things get really weird because mk Ultra 27 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:35.079 also had subprojects studying gifted people, more specifically Subproject eighty 28 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.439 three in Subproject one thirty six, which was dedicated to 29 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.159 the research and development of ESP and psychic abilities. There's 30 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:47.120 actually a document on the CIA's website called Hypnosis and 31 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.319 Control Behavior that says, if there's a situation where hypnosis 32 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.159 can be applied on a target individuals or groups, this 33 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:57.719 is from the CIA. Okay, you can guarantee that it 34 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:04.079 will be used. The CIA also fundering SRI International for 35 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:09.240 developmental research into ESP and psychic abilities called remote viewing. 36 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:14.520 The CIA chief at that time, Stansfield Turner, said that 37 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.240 the agency found a man who could see what was 38 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.560 going on anywhere in the world through his psychic powers. 39 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.599 Turner said the CIA scientists and officials would show the 40 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:26.840 man a picture of any place and he would then 41 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.400 describe the activity that was going on there. At that time, 42 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:35.400 seems pretty important thing to have, especially for the CIA 43 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:37.080 at that time. During the Cold War. 44 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:38.960 I said, these were going on are in the same 45 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:43.280 time as the mk ultra experiments are relatively the same time. 46 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:49.319 Well arguably mk Ultra could have been started in the 47 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.560 fifties or in the sixties. It ran for about twenty 48 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:58.599 five to thirty years, officially, stopping in officially in nineteen 49 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.759 seventy five. So the studies go, I mean, we have 50 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.280 psychic people going back decades and decades and even centuries. 51 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.479 You know, they were called shamans. There were you know, 52 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:17.240 only supposed to be imbued upon the enlightened people. But 53 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.759 it's essentially all the same thing. There's different labels to 54 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.159 all of this stuff. And remote viewing kind of was 55 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:31.719 an SRI coined term. Came from the Chinese study into 56 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:39.120 remote viewing and psychic abilities and children. So when Stansfield 57 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.759 Turner said that they had found this man like you 58 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:43.879 see what was going on anywhere in the world. That 59 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:48.400 man's name was Pat Price. But the CIA cut ties 60 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:54.599 with SRI in seventy five when Pat Price suspiciously died 61 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.960 he was found in a hotel room in Vegas. Russell Targan, 62 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:01.879 how put off, then went to the Foreign Technology division 63 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.039 at RYE Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio to 64 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:08.759 try and get funding for SRI through the Air Force. 65 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:13.639 Now dell Graf worked there and eventually became the operations 66 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:18.480 manager for the DIA Stargate program at Fort Mead, Maryland. 67 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:22.439 Later on and around the early nineties nineteen ninety to 68 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:25.920 nineteen ninety one, but the Air Force picked up the 69 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:30.879 funding to SRI. To continue this investigation into remote unit 70 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:35.319 psychic abilities, an ESP dell Graph put together a small 71 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.199 remote viewing unit at RYE. Patterson Air Force Base. They 72 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:44.720 then received tasking to find a missing Russian airplane that 73 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:49.600 downed somewhere in Africa. Rosemary Smith, which was part of 74 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:53.360 the remote Viewing unit at right Patterson Air Force Base. 75 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:57.519 This was like an unofficial small unit that dell Graph 76 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:03.399 had put together. He gave give her a map, like 77 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.720 a large area map, and said can you find this 78 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:11.279 TU twenty two down Russian airplane? And then she put 79 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:13.959 an X on the map where she had seen the 80 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.360 visions and the psychic impressions of where she believed that 81 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:22.079 it was. He then turned that into the CIA and 82 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.720 they converted where she put that X on a map 83 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.279 into a coordinate. They then went to where she said 84 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.639 that she thought that it was, which was in Africa, 85 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:34.600 and then they found the missing airplane exactly where she 86 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:38.079 said that it was. President Jimmy Carter then talked about 87 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.160 this mission in an interview in nineteen ninety five. It's 88 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:45.759 very difficult to find that interview, but it's on my 89 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:51.079 YouTube channel Raised by Giants, and it will also be 90 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:56.639 in the upcoming documentary Psychic Agent. But the funding by 91 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:01.199 the Air Force stopped to SRI in nineteen eight and 92 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:07.000 then the Right Patterson Air Force Base unofficial unit was disbanded, 93 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.639 but Army Intelligence was forming another remote viewing group at 94 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.480 for ME called Grill Flame, which was to use psychic 95 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.839 abilities with gifted people to collect intelligence data on foreign targets. 96 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:24.720 But then you also have the Monroe Institute, which was 97 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.680 founded by Robert Monroe in nineteen seventy four that created 98 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.279 this technology called Hemi Sync to induce an out of 99 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.160 body experience. This has connections to the DIA Stargate program 100 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:40.160 because when Grill Flame first opened up, which it changed 101 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:44.720 its name a lot of times, it changed it to 102 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.000 Center Lane Sun Streak, and then it finally landed upon 103 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:54.839 Stargate in ninety one. Army Intelligence sent their site gets 104 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.399 to the Monroe Institute. They paid Robert Monroe two thousand 105 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.720 dollars to see if Robert Monroe's tapes would help the 106 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:06.720 remote viewers be more accurate. It's called perfect sight integration, 107 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:13.879 where the viewer can duplicate their physical body and travel 108 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:18.000 in their astra body to anywhere in the world and 109 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:20.120 then collect information. 110 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.240 Now, let me ask you, the hymn Sync was allowing 111 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.519 the remote viewers to also leave their bodies, now, is 112 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:27.120 what you're saying. 113 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.680 Well, that's the thing is that that is the goal 114 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.920 with the Hemi Sink tapes is to induce an out 115 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.240 of body experience. But a lot of the remote viewers 116 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:44.079 had already been having out of body experiences. Yes, specifically 117 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.959 Angela Ford, she would have out of body experiences every time, 118 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.560 all the time whenever she was young. Ingo Swan would 119 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.399 also have out of body experiences due to trauma from 120 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:59.079 being bullied whenever he was younger for being gay. So 121 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.240 that's like a part of it. But INGOs One had 122 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:08.399 developed this terminology to be able to get outside of 123 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.839 your body. That was called perfect side integration, where you 124 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:15.879 could literally go to another area of the world and 125 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:21.600 your body is physically duplicated into an asterol body and 126 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.360 then you can feel the invit. It's like it's like 127 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.319 remote viewing on steroids is essentially what you can. You 128 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:34.039 can then affect the environment, you can move things around, 129 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:38.559 like it's almost like your physical body has is also there, 130 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.639 but it's not quite your physical body. It's just like 131 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:48.320 a duplicated version of your physical body. But this is 132 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:55.440 also it really seems to me that trauma induces these 133 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.279 types of abilities, and trauma also induces in out of 134 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.720 body experience, like if you go through enough trauma, you're 135 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:10.480 inevitably going to disassociate from your reality. And sometimes you 136 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:12.679 know how people whenever they go through trauma, they're like, oh, 137 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.679 I seen this from a far distance. It was like 138 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:17.159 I was up in the corner of the room and 139 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:21.360 I was looking down on myself. That's a forced out 140 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:25.440 of body experience through trauma. And with the MK Ultra 141 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.559 programs what they were doing, it seems as if the 142 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:34.919 MK Ultra programs were inadvertently creating gifted individuals, which is 143 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.279 that would be of course, the ones that survived that 144 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:42.679 didn't go catatonic and you know, weren't able to get 145 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:49.240 over the trauma or disassociate. They stayed within their physical body, 146 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.600 like you know a lot of the people at Raven's 147 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:58.840 Crag in Canada, which also the Rockefeller Foundation provided a 148 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.039 grant to help found the Allen Memorial Institute aka Ravens 149 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.720 Craig Hospital that supported doctor Hughan Cameron's MK Ultra experiments 150 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.840 and upwards of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a 151 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.600 year for five years. And then there was also grants 152 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.519 that happened after that as well. 153 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.519 Super interesting man, tell us again, who are you? Who 154 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:22.360 do you have in the film? 155 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.720 All confirmed people within the DIA Army Intelligence Remote Viewing 156 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:32.559 Unit at Fort Mead, so Angela Ford Dell graf Dell 157 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.559 Graph was the operations manager, which I was just mentioning 158 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.240 that had the small remove viewing unit at Ry Paterson 159 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:44.080 Air Force Base Limb Buchanan, which the movie The Minister 160 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:49.279 at Goes is kind of semi based off of. And 161 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:52.240 then doctor David Moorehouse. 162 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.000 Oh well, we won't give away too much. 163 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:57.240 Then, well, with doctor Hughan Cameron, he's one of the 164 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.279 ones that created the technology of psyche driving. He would 165 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.919 all these sessions with patients and he would have a 166 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.440 patient listen back to one of those tapes, and then 167 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.440 he noticed that one of his patients had a visceral 168 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.039 reaction to hearing a certain part of this tape. So 169 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.559 he started making her listen to this tape over and 170 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.159 over and over again, day in and day out for months, 171 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.519 and it's pretty soon he was doing this with all 172 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:21.440 of his patients. Now, the people that were experimented on it, 173 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:24.919 Ravens Craig ended up getting together and sued the CIA 174 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.120 and they settled out of court for around eight hundred 175 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:35.799 thousand dollars. Now, the psyche driving thing is essentially a programming, right, 176 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.600 so if you can, there's three steps to it, so 177 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:45.399 it's called deep patterning. So he would essentially traumatize these 178 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:50.879 people through torture and you know, just fill in the blanks. 179 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:55.039 Then he would drug them. And this was an array 180 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.679 of drugs. See, a lot of people believe that mk 181 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.240 Ultra was just about LSD were just doing a little No. 182 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.559 There was over one hundred and fifty different drugs that 183 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.440 were tested on within the mk Ultra program, some of 184 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:17.320 them including caffeine, amphetamine, antidepressants, antipsychotics, marijuana, like all of it. 185 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:19.639 All of it was essentially tested on. And a lot 186 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.919 of people don't know that Sidney Gottlieb, which was ahead 187 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.360 of the mk Ultra programs, I'm pretty much the only 188 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:29.360 person that's ever brought this up before. He had a 189 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:35.279 brother named David Gottlieb, which was a plant biologist. So 190 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:40.200 it stands to reason that Sidney Gottlieb was probably getting 191 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:44.960 some of these compounds of these drugs from his brother, 192 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.399 which was a plant biologist. I don't think that you 193 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.639 would do all of these experiments with all these types 194 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:53.759 of drugs and have a brother that's a plant biologist 195 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:57.320 and not utilize what he would be concocting in some 196 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:04.120 sort of CIA designer drug. So with the psychic driving things, 197 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:06.639 so it's a deep patterning. They remove all of your 198 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:13.600 normal thinking patterns, rational thought, cognitive beliefs, and then through 199 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:17.759 traumatization and then they drug you with an array of 200 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:22.840 drugs and then they psychically drive you. Now, the psychic 201 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.960 driving can be anything. It could be anything could be 202 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:30.679 on the looped audio message that he was giving. And 203 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.960 then if you could take that a step further and 204 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:38.679 put in a TV right, so you would not only 205 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.320 be getting looped audio messages, but you would also be 206 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:48.679 getting visual messages. Now, this isn't something that's official that 207 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.480 they were actually doing, but I'm common sense says that 208 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.559 it developed that it turned into something even more. That's 209 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.919 just the official one. The looped audio message. Well, you 210 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.279 could take that a step further and you could take 211 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:08.399 it to virtual reality. Right, you can take a headset 212 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.320 put over the person, have them feeding audio into their 213 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.279 brain and also a visual stimulus to make them believe 214 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:18.279 something that didn't even happen, or make them believe something 215 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.080 about themselves that wasn't even real, or something that was 216 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.559 real and make them believe that it wasn't real. It 217 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.720 works both ways. And we know that the military has 218 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.919 been using video games to training their soldiers for decades now. 219 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.559 They'll use simulations, they'll use video games, They'll take a 220 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.519 gun that is just as heavy as a real gun 221 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:43.559 and have them shoot imaginary video game targets. They'll use 222 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:49.240 data simulations to do explosions and tanks and all of that. 223 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.879 They've been doing that for a really long time. So 224 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:55.200 it only stands to reason that this is going to 225 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:59.240 develop into something more and that would be the next 226 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:06.200 step of the MK Ultra program would be to depattern 227 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:12.360 them right through trauma, drug them, and then have this 228 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:16.639 stimulus of something on a TV or even a stuff 229 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.480 further would be virtual reality. And then when you look 230 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:24.120 at our environment and how the world has shaped, over 231 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.320 fifty percent of the people in the United States is 232 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:30.679 in some form of pharmaceutical medication. We are constantly being 233 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:36.799 traumatized through the media and these events that are happening 234 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.200 around us all the time, and then we're being psychically 235 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:45.480 driven through the TV, through social media, through programming to 236 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.080 get the same talking points over and over and over again. 237 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.639 I mean, there's this clip by George Bush that is 238 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:57.759 like George Bush Junior, I was like, I'm going to 239 00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:59.799 repeat it. I'm going to repeat it a bunch of 240 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:02.720 time because you got to repeat it several times for 241 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:06.759 them to really drive home the narrative. They really catapult 242 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:14.200 the propaganda, all right. So that's that's obviously a technique 243 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:18.399 that has carried over from these MK ultra programs is 244 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.440 just putting the same thing up on the screen over 245 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.799 and over and over and over again, regardless if it's 246 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.360 real or not. If you can make people believe that 247 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.799 it's real, it doesn't matter if it actually is or not. 248 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:39.039 As long as the perception is there that it is now. 249 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.000 I wanted to ask you, I don't want to get 250 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.279 too far away from the mk Ultra. 251 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.559 But the mk Ultra programs were wild, dude. They were 252 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.639 doing all kinds of wild They had so many wild 253 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.399 thoughts and crazy ideas. There was one that was to 254 00:16:54.960 --> 00:17:00.440 during World War Two was to paint a bunch of 255 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:06.599 foxes with radio active material and throw them off the 256 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.960 ship of the coast of Japan, and that the Japanese 257 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.519 would see this as like an omen or a sign 258 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:18.920 from the gods, and that they would surrender like wild stuff. 259 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:26.359 They were going to poison the president of Cuba at 260 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:31.319 that time. What was his name, Yeah, Fidel Castro. They're 261 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.720 going to poison Fidel Castro with put something in his 262 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.359 cigars to poison him. They were going to put some 263 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.559 things in his shoes that would make him lose his hair, 264 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:48.680 like just stuff. But there was this book that was 265 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:55.839 written in nineteen seventy eight by Walter H. Baward, which 266 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.920 was called Operation Mind Control that really exposed was the 267 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:06.799 entire alien and abduction phenomenon where the military would get 268 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.200 these kids to dress up as gray aliens and the 269 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:15.279 military would abduct their target. The Sudden and the kid 270 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.160 would then act as aliens, and they would have the 271 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:20.680 set all made up, and then they would use these 272 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.319 drugs and this weapon that was called a stun gun, 273 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:29.680 which would act as like a memory suppressor. So then 274 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.960 later on when the sudden individual got that would it 275 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:36.240 would make them like black out right, It would make 276 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:40.359 them like kind of raise the thought in the memory 277 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.400 from their head. And then you know, years later, or 278 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:47.079 maybe a little bit of time later, they would be like, oh, man, 279 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.759 I guess I'm missing time. Something really strange must have happened. 280 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.319 Then these memories will start kind of coming back to 281 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.559 them of this experience that they had with these aliens. Okay, 282 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.799 but they were really just kids dressed up in gray 283 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:00.359 alien outfits. 284 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.960 I can only imagine where things like that have progressed 285 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.920 to in our in our modern age. But that's a 286 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.640 whole other show. So how long were they running these 287 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.039 psychic spy programs. 288 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.039 Well, if you count it from the time that they 289 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:24.039 started funding SRI, the CIA funding SRI was from nineteen 290 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:27.440 seventy two, but if you're not then it would be 291 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:35.279 seventy eight, whenever the Army first started implementing the remote 292 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:41.119 viewing stuff in to Army Intelligence for MEAD, which was 293 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.759 grow Flame, but then they shut down that program and 294 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:51.799 then they turned it into Sunstreak and Center Lane, and 295 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.799 then it eventually set aed on Stargate. So officially, Army 296 00:19:55.839 --> 00:20:00.640 Intelligence had a program from seventy eight and then it 297 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:05.839 got transferred to the DIA, and it became a DIA 298 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.519 under the umbrella of the DoD Special Access Program in 299 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.039 eighty five, and then it ran for ten more years 300 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:20.200 under the DIA and the DoD to nineteen ninety five. 301 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:28.000 Any thoughts on how they're integrating it other than what 302 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:34.759 you said earlier. Obviously, with the drugs and social media 303 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:41.480 and virtual reality, basically that we live in seem to 304 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.359 have been experimentation to get us to a certain point 305 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:50.240 and beyond. But any thoughts on where else these programs 306 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:52.079 might have been integrated into. 307 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.799 Well, I mean, every facet of our existence has essentially 308 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:03.039 been turned into some sort of MK Ultra style program 309 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:09.680 style syop. Right now when you talk about the the 310 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.039 type of stranger thing aspect of this, because people are 311 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:17.039 probably wondering, oh, well, this is interesting, this is cool, 312 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:20.839 but where does the where does the experimentation on kids 313 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:27.279 come in right. Well, we know that there were these 314 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:33.720 programs set up as Team Beyond Behavioral Modification schools Okay 315 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:39.000 in Utah, some in state New York, Okay, where kids 316 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:43.880 would literally be abducted from their home where their parents 317 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:47.880 would pay this company to come and abduct their kid, 318 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.640 but handcuff them, blindfold them, throw them in the back 319 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.000 of a suv sometimes on an airplane, a private airplane, 320 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:01.000 and fly them wherever they wherever this facility was. Okay. So, 321 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.400 some of those first ones started in Utah, and then 322 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:08.240 it kind of spread out all over the United States 323 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:13.519 and into Arizona, into New York and one of those 324 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:17.240 is called Ivy Ridge in New York. So and a 325 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:20.440 lot of the people that were involved in these Team 326 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:25.359 Behavioral Health Modification schools described them as a form of 327 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:29.400 mk ULTRA. Some of the exact same techniques that were 328 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:35.240 used on them are the same types of techniques that 329 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:37.880 you can read about in these mk ULTRA documents. One 330 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:44.000 hundred and forty nine subprojects of mk ULTRA. Now, if 331 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.519 you get into the Twilight Learner program, which was developed 332 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:51.920 by a psychiatrist named Thomas H. Bodinsky, it was a 333 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.960 neurofeedback program which was started in Colorado, which was dubbed 334 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:01.680 Pink Noise to help produce relaxation facilitate learning. And this 335 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:04.039 one is kind of a big one, which is the 336 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.480 alter mental states. Kind of sounds similar to the Monroe Institute. Right, 337 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:13.359 the Twilight Learner program is referred to as a sleep 338 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:20.599 state suggestion experiments. Now, it's possible that the tapes that 339 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:25.359 Thomas Badinsky used was some of the tapes that the 340 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:31.759 Monroe Institute was also using. Still doing research into this, 341 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:35.240 but I know somebody that was a part of the 342 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:40.960 Twilight Learner program in Colorado that has some of these tapes. 343 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:46.319 She can't play them yet because she doesn't have a 344 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:51.480 cassette tape recorder. But I do know someone that has 345 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.079 these tapes. So I'm trying to figure out a way 346 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.039 to play these tapes to see if they are any 347 00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.079 way connected to the Monroe Institute eight Way tapes, because 348 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:07.880 this is a very important connection. There's the school gate programs, 349 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:14.799 which were gifted individuals public school programs, right, And there's 350 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.119 also the Gateway program. So there's the and then there's 351 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.079 a Stargate program. So all this stuff gets very convoluted 352 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:24.680 and kind of all mixed together because it all has 353 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:25.920 gate at the end of it. 354 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.400 So, bro, have you seen Wayward Pines on Netflix? Yes, 355 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.680 that the abducting of kids bringing them to this experimental school. 356 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.559 That's exactly what that show is about. 357 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:40.160 That's exactly what the show is about. And there's also 358 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.279 another show called The Institute on MGM plus. It's a 359 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.200 show that's based off of Stephen King's book The Institute, 360 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:49.680 where kids are abducted out of their home taken to 361 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:53.000 this facility because they have psychic abilities and psychic problems. 362 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:57.880 Is Crazy, which is a really good show. I highly 363 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.000 recommend it. And when I saw that, I was like, 364 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:04.680 holy shit, this is basically my documentary in a nutshell. 365 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:09.000 I mean, this is a you know, Hollywood version of 366 00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:18.440 what I believe it was happening on some levels. So 367 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:24.359 you have the Twilight Learner Program, which Thomas A. Shbadinsky 368 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:30.359 initially worked as an aerospace engineer in southern California, including 369 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.880 working on a top secret classified projects at Area fifty 370 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:42.319 one on the SR seventy one Blackbird, which is so interesting. 371 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:46.240 It's a tidbit of information how a lot of these 372 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:50.599 guys always seem to work for some sort of Aerospace company, 373 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:58.160 and then switch into psychology an experimentation on the human mind. 374 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:04.440 But you have the gate programs in school. Now this 375 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:07.079 is how it's connected to the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, 376 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:12.519 because there's been this flurry of online activity around the 377 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.319 Gate programs because people are thinking back to them and thinking, oh, 378 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.960 that's that was kind of freaking weird. I was being 379 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:23.559 pulled out of class. I was had these really strange 380 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.759 I was asked to do these really strange things like 381 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.799 mess with ropes, mess with blocks. There was a guy 382 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.680 that was telling me to say what's on the flash 383 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:35.079 card without having to see what's on the flash card. 384 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.720 I had these really weird, strange hearing tests. They would 385 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.920 do really weird, strange vision tests. And this would happen 386 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:48.640 periodically through my upbringing in public school. And what's triggering 387 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:53.880 a lot of these people is this clip of this 388 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.200 hearing test that was done and a lot of people 389 00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:02.480 remember this was you should be hearing my voice in 390 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.039 your right ear, And that's triggering a lot of people 391 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.839 to bring back this memory of these hearing tests that 392 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.799 was done in public school. Now it turns out that 393 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:20.599 that tape is the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes. Whoa So, 394 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:27.519 how did the Monroe Institute gateway tapes end up in 395 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.359 public school? And why did they end up in public 396 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:36.319 school and why were they using this as an experiment 397 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.880 on children in the seventies, the late seventies, eighties, and nineties. 398 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:45.759 It is super interesting. 399 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:51.599 And they've also a lot of people have said that 400 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:56.920 they were told to drink some type of sink. 401 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.119