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<v Speaker 1>He's night side with Dan Ray I'm w Bsy Costin's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Theyy you very much. Dan Walkers also bring Red Sox

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<v Speaker 2>fans up to date. Raffie Devers, in his first ab

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<v Speaker 2>for the San Francisco Giants struck out, so he's all

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<v Speaker 2>for one for the Giants, but I suspect he'll hit

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<v Speaker 2>a home run pretty soon. We're going to take an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity here to talk about the Karen Reid trial today.

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<v Speaker 2>There were four questions that were submitted by the jurors

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<v Speaker 2>to the judge, Judge Beverly Canoni. All of those questions

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<v Speaker 2>have been interpreted differently by different people. Very difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>tell what's going on. My suspicion is that I thought

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<v Speaker 2>the questions overall, just overall, were beneficial for the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my take on it. Now you might agree

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<v Speaker 2>or disagree, It doesn't really matter what to know what

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking is on the case. And also love to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to some people who have actually been out there

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<v Speaker 2>for the duration or have been out there many days

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<v Speaker 2>as part of the support team of Karen Reid. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's interesting. It's a high profile case and people

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<v Speaker 2>do get interested and they become committed and again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to detegrate what they're doing out there. They

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<v Speaker 2>have every right to be out there, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that it provides her a lot of psychological support. The

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<v Speaker 2>only lines open right now are six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four to ten thirty. You could be from New England

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<v Speaker 2>because this is a New England case of Massachusetts case,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can be from anywhere in the country and

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<v Speaker 2>you may have a belief in what did or did

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<v Speaker 2>not happen. That's what we're talking about. Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. Next up is Steve in Bridgewater. Steve, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Night's I go right ahead, Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Jan Yeah, I got a few things I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say. Comments first, and that is yeah, I heard

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<v Speaker 3>a gal talk a couple of several calls ago, and

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<v Speaker 3>she went over a lot of things that she the

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<v Speaker 3>one that said nobody will ever know what really happened

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<v Speaker 3>that night, which is she's one thousand percent correct, but

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<v Speaker 3>based on a lot of things she said, obviously she's

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<v Speaker 3>been following the case a lot more than I have been,

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<v Speaker 3>and I hear the case being saturated with reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I hear it. So I think the jury

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<v Speaker 3>should have an easy time getting you know, finding her

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<v Speaker 3>not guilty. But the question that they asked the judge today,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and the judge said she couldn't answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I think that the question that the

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<v Speaker 2>judge felt she could not answer was the fourth question.

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<v Speaker 2>If we find not guilty on two charges but can't

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<v Speaker 2>agree on one charge, is it a hung jury on

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<v Speaker 2>all three charges or just one charge? That was a

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<v Speaker 2>very specific question. Uh, And she said this is a

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<v Speaker 2>theoretical question, not one that I can answer. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the one you're talking.

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<v Speaker 3>About, right, Yeah, But I thought they have to find

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<v Speaker 3>they have to come to an agreement on all of them,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>point that was I thought the mistake if there was

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake in the first trial. So she's charged with

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<v Speaker 2>let's just walk through it. She's charged with second degree murder.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the most serious charge. You have to prove on

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<v Speaker 2>second degree murder, some form of intent. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's any evidence that you could come up with

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of intent. Normally, second degree murder can be

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<v Speaker 2>a crime of passion. It's you know, a barroom fight

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<v Speaker 2>and and some guy hits uh, hits the guy, no

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<v Speaker 2>question about that. Hits him. However, however, h he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>intend to kill him, and it's he hit his head

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor or whatever, and so that's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more, it's not an accident. He threw the punch.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's your classic second degree murder case or a

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<v Speaker 2>crime of great passion. All of that. Then the second one,

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<v Speaker 2>manslaughter while operating a vehicle under the influence of liquor. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you take that, there's three lesser included charges, which

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<v Speaker 2>means they could come back with simply manslaughter without reference

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<v Speaker 2>to the liquor. They could come back with motor vehicle homicide,

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<v Speaker 2>or they come back with a simple OUI. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the third one, leaving the scene of an accident resulting

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<v Speaker 2>in death. They could come up with any combination here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think second degree murder is probably off the board.

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<v Speaker 2>I think yes, leaving the scene of an accident resulting

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<v Speaker 2>in a death, that's kind of straightforward. She did not know,

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<v Speaker 2>she did not have to know as an element of

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<v Speaker 2>that crime that the guy was dead. But she could

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<v Speaker 2>have known, or you could impute knowledge to her that

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<v Speaker 2>that she hit him if she did. And again that's

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<v Speaker 2>why the lawyers are arguing there's no evidence and that

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<v Speaker 2>that that her vehicle struck him. It's not like she's

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<v Speaker 2>got to get out and say Lee looks dead to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting the hell out of here. No, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>you have an accident in the road with somebody, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and and and you don't go over and and somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>some way that person dies from the accident. You could

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<v Speaker 2>be on the hook for leaving the scene of an

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<v Speaker 2>accident resulting in death or resulting in damage to personal property.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that if they come back, they

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<v Speaker 2>could come back or they could say not guilty on one,

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<v Speaker 2>they could say not guilty on two, and they could

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<v Speaker 2>come back with guilty on three. Well they could yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or different combination.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's true. There are times people are found not

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<v Speaker 3>guilty on certain things but guilty on this. Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Yeah, juris can come back with split verdicts. It's

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<v Speaker 2>attap to that. So we'll see what I make.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the comic you know, you mentioned about, you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned about you. Don't think the entire country knows you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think every everybody in else, the entire US knows.

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<v Speaker 3>You know why I'm saying that, Why that's your tube.

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<v Speaker 3>I watched Court TV and there and they talk about

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<v Speaker 3>it every night and there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're nation wide, well they are nationwide. But

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you, there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who don't know the name of the vice president of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. They do those polls all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of people who live in their own

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<v Speaker 2>reality and they just don't have a clue. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's just that's the reality that they have.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're living their life. Yeah, when I say it's

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think everybody knew about the O. J.

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson case. I don't think this is at that level.

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<v Speaker 2>It's known by a lot of people, there's no question,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I don't think everyone. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people kind of zone out. They lived their life and

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<v Speaker 2>they probably there were some people who don't know. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was tough to Donald Trump, but there were people

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<v Speaker 2>when they asked who was president with Joe Biden, there

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<v Speaker 2>were people who were I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I knowed My brother out in Arizona. If he knows,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll ask him tomorrow. He lives out in Tucson. Dan

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna ask him if he knows, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Call me back, let me know what he says.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thanks, all right, Jan, thanks for the call.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Fred, appreciate your call. Brother, Steve, excuse me, thank you, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate your call.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank is next. I got some open lines here. Six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still looking for the first person who has been

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<v Speaker 2>out there, uh, and would love to express why again.

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<v Speaker 2>I can understand following the case. I can understand maybe

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<v Speaker 2>be over there a couple of days, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>people who have been out there religiously throughout the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>That's quite a commitment. Six one, seven, two, five, four

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<v Speaker 2>that with based on the jury decision questions that were

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<v Speaker 2>directed to the judge today, I think you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a decision on this tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to bet my life on that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more likely than not you'll get a

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<v Speaker 2>decision tomorrow. If you don't get one tomorrow, we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>it on Thursday. I think that this this jury is

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<v Speaker 2>getting close, and that's my view. Whatever you have to

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<v Speaker 2>say on it. Agreed, disagree, More importantly what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to hear from you. Join the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation back on Nightside after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get right back to the calls. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go to Frank in Boston. Frank, appreciate your patience.

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<v Speaker 2>It is paid off. You are next on Nightside, Frank.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, thank you, sir. Hey, he got hit by the car. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>he got hit by the car, the tail gate smashed,

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<v Speaker 5>the the sharp edges and the cutting his arm and

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<v Speaker 5>that's how he got the cuts. And also my my,

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<v Speaker 5>my other question, but my question is after that, just

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<v Speaker 5>why are these people gravitating to this woman so much?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Well, first of all, I think you stated you're

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing you stated was your belief in the case, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. I think that there's a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>have come to the belief that nothing happened at the

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<v Speaker 2>car and that uh, he went into the party at

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<v Speaker 2>this house and got into a bit of a dust

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<v Speaker 2>up or a fight, whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 2>with people inside. Uh, and.

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<v Speaker 6>The the are argument that people have made to me

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<v Speaker 6>is oh, yeah, he he uh, he got punched out

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<v Speaker 6>by someone and then uh, maybe they they didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the the other point of view. And you

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<v Speaker 2>can talk to some of those folks and they are

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<v Speaker 2>deeply committed to that belief. They they they cite all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of uh facts. For example, they will tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a dog that was in the house

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<v Speaker 2>which was rehoused, was moved away. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>where the dog ended up. I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 2>dog is still alive. And and that they there was

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<v Speaker 2>a carpet which was cut up and removed. And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>people who believe that, and I haven't seen evidence to that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not put in as an affirmative defense to

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<v Speaker 2>the best of my knowledge, but but that's what people believe.

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<v Speaker 2>And and as a result of those beliefs, they assume

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<v Speaker 2>that Karen Reid is being set up for a homicide indictment,

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<v Speaker 2>when in fact she's a victim like her former boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>who was killed but not by Karen Reid. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>that's where they come from. Where they're coming from.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think that that that's my scenario about the

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<v Speaker 5>sharp ends on the cracked tailgate light tail light might

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<v Speaker 5>be the cause of those those scars on those cuts

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<v Speaker 5>on his arm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's what the prosecution would like the

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<v Speaker 2>jury to believe. I think you're right on that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what the I think that you're correct that with that's

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<v Speaker 5>But I still don't understand how these there's something going

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<v Speaker 5>on in that community have made these people such celebrities.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, something bad going on over there for them

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<v Speaker 5>so jump on his case like they have. It seems like, well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a high profile case and it involves

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<v Speaker 5>You think so, I don't think so. It seems like

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<v Speaker 5>it seemed like a recul murder case that that would

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<v Speaker 5>that that would just be on the news one off

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, the man who's dead is a police officer,

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<v Speaker 2>his girlfriend is his girlfriend is accused of having in

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<v Speaker 2>what I don't know. Maybe someone will call and have

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<v Speaker 2>a better explanation of a Frank I'm I'm I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>No reason I say that is because they've come out

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<v Speaker 2>Well they kept them come out against I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Canton police. Yeah yeah, well, I mean I think that. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that as the story got told and retold,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Frank appreciate you call. Always gonna hear your voice.

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<v Speaker 2>to Matt in Franklin. Hey, Matt, welcome back to night

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<v Speaker 2>sig go righthead, Matt.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeay dan So I said from the beginning, I thought

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<v Speaker 7>they should have sequestered the jury and relocated the trial.

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<v Speaker 7>I just think she went on such a pr campaign

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<v Speaker 7>with the bloggers that everybody's mind was already made up.

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<v Speaker 7>And the Free Karen re conspiracy people. You can't convince

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<v Speaker 7>them otherwise. They're just completely convinced. It's like, have any

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<v Speaker 7>of you people done any serious drinking in your life?

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<v Speaker 7>The first thing you remember when you sober up is

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<v Speaker 7>going out looking for someone she's assuming's dead. It's like

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<v Speaker 7>usually when you get into the argument met with someone

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<v Speaker 7>that's like got to be your ex, It's like I'll

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<v Speaker 7>wake up and noon and forget about it and maybe

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<v Speaker 7>we're still together. But she's out there looking for him

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<v Speaker 7>like he's dead and finds them. It's like, well, that's

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<v Speaker 7>usually what happens when you sort of blackout or a

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<v Speaker 7>they're gonna have a tough time. I think it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. You know, Matt, It's funny, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were a psychology professor, you could have been a

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<v Speaker 7>She's from here, they flow her out. She's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>of know you Alan, and then they fly her out

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<v Speaker 7>here for the weekend and she's somehow an expert after

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<v Speaker 7>having treated the dog bite in thirty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, well you obviously know more about the

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<v Speaker 2>case than I do. I was joking with you, and

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying to you is that if Let's say

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<v Speaker 2>have gone in there and you could have presented that

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, the first thing that people think of

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning is oh, that's what I did, you

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<v Speaker 2>know whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>First hand experience from back in the day. What I'm

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<v Speaker 7>About that's crazy about it is like everybody's like everybody

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<v Speaker 7>in the town's in on it. It's you're from Sherburne, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in We lived in sherburn for twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, but I grew up overnight.

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<v Speaker 7>Like a lot of those towns are like the Keystone

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<v Speaker 7>Cops overnight. It's like, does anybody think we'd have like

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<v Speaker 7>the best of the best investigating this thing in the

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<v Speaker 7>morning at seven in the morning. It's like and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>they all know each other. It's like that's every single

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<v Speaker 7>town around Boston. It's all people that are like Irish

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<v Speaker 7>that move one town over.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, no, we got we got be knocking the Irish

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<v Speaker 2>here on dan Ratio.

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<v Speaker 4>Go yeah, but I mean I'm Irish.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no. What I'm saying to you

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<v Speaker 2>is this, when I understand the argument you're making. However,

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<v Speaker 2>what mitigates against your your argument is that when a

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<v Speaker 2>best behavior because that's the case they want to solve. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the behavior of a couple of the state police investigators

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<v Speaker 2>on that case seem to be pretty cavalier, which surprised.

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<v Speaker 7>That they obviously weren't expecting them to get up their

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<v Speaker 7>hands on the phone. And I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>that had to do with Rachel Rollins.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, again, you're you're going deep into, uh, into

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<v Speaker 2>a theory that I'm not familiar with. But what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying is, as a police officer, and you're a state

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<v Speaker 2>police officer, and you're a homicide investigator, and and the

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<v Speaker 2>and the and the body that you're investigating or the

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<v Speaker 2>crime you're trying to solve is that of a fellow

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<v Speaker 2>police officer. In my opinion, most police officers to take

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<v Speaker 2>that responsibility pretty seriously. They wouldn't be saying, hey, check

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<v Speaker 2>her file for nude pictures or whatever. I'm checking her

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<v Speaker 2>file for new I mean, that's a little over the top,

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<v Speaker 2>but and and I think it's it was egregious, that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And at the same time, like if you have

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<v Speaker 7>the woman that was hammered outside the house screaming should

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<v Speaker 7>hit him, and then their cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like, how much of an investigation are they really

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<v Speaker 7>going to do into.

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<v Speaker 3>The house, on the surrounding tables, the bodies on the yard.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a glass there that they found. It's like, why

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<v Speaker 7>would they talk to all these Okay, well.

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<v Speaker 2>You're well, I still think I would think that that

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<v Speaker 2>even if they concluded, let's assume that they concluded, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this uh, this this woman who's running around saying I

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<v Speaker 2>think I might have hit him. I think I might

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<v Speaker 2>have hit him. I would think. And I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer, No will life play one of the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would think that I might not loo on

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<v Speaker 2>a few doors in the area and say, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>guys happen to have like a video cam or anything

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<v Speaker 2>that that that has been you know, those cameras as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, self erase in many cases after twenty four hours. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you would think that did you hear anything out here

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<v Speaker 2>last night? Were you guys asleep at twelve o'clock? Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a party. Oh really? Oh okay, any drinking

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<v Speaker 2>going on? You know? I mean, I would think not

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<v Speaker 2>only the house where he was found on the lawn dead,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe the next door neighbor's house and the guy

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<v Speaker 2>across the street. I would think, I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking too much, but.

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<v Speaker 7>You or no, they're probably half awake anyways.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Why, that's why, that's why God invented Duncan Donuts coffee

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<v Speaker 2>so police would wouldn't be half half asleep in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, a man, I love you.

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<v Speaker 4>Call you.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to You're you're kind of sardonic, but I

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<v Speaker 2>loved your call. Thanks man, keep calling. Okay, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good one. Coming back on Nightside, we get the news

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the hour. We are keeping our

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<v Speaker 2>eye in the Middle East. Don't worry about that. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>right back on Nightshide.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Your own personal Raffie Devers watch continues here on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>Devers has just doubled first hit with the Giants and

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<v Speaker 2>drove in his first run with the Giants. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sox are losing in Seattle tonight. The last time

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at it still is five to nothing. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>keep going here. We're talking about a different scorecard and

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go to John in Salem, Massachusetts. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Karen retrap. I'm still looking for some people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been out there a day after day after day.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey John, welcome next on Nightshide.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey how you doing.

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<v Speaker 8>So I just want to answer that guy's question real quick,

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<v Speaker 8>is why is the fanfare about so high?

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<v Speaker 4>It's always that way when it's.

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<v Speaker 8>Just non criminal people. I mean, nobody's going to follow

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<v Speaker 8>a trial of some criminal that you know, murdered somebody

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<v Speaker 8>in the streets somewhere. But anyway, that's why they're They're

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<v Speaker 8>all kind of normal people.

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<v Speaker 4>She was a professor, he was a policeman.

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<v Speaker 8>It's understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great point obviously, the O. J.

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson trial because of who O J. Simpson was, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who played football, the guy who was a Heisman

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<v Speaker 2>Trophy winner, the guy who was was it was it

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<v Speaker 2>hurts or avis that he was that he used to

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>And then and then you had the Scott Peterson and

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<v Speaker 8>the Standard you know, husband kills the wife and the baby.

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<v Speaker 4>You know the Peterson Well, they weren't well known people.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean that's if Peterson is closer.

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<v Speaker 8>To this, but that Yeah, that's what I'm saying, though

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<v Speaker 8>there were not they were non criminal people, whether or not.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, no, I know it wasn't well known either.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If there's a couple of guys who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>end up in a in a fight, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it involved you know, in drug deals or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, you kind of assume that that's what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, when it's clearly somebody that's guilty, you don't really

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<v Speaker 8>want to follow them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let me ask you one more question.

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<v Speaker 8>Sure anywhere in the trial, and I know you haven't

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<v Speaker 8>been there the whole time in me neither, but did

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<v Speaker 8>anyone ever talk about insurance? Like, you know, so I

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<v Speaker 8>have a trampoline in a pool, and if somebody gets hurt,

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<v Speaker 8>just hurt, you know, and maybe brought to the emergency

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<v Speaker 8>room for stitches, the insurance company does investigations, and what

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<v Speaker 8>do they think happened? And was the body really on

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<v Speaker 8>city property or their front lawn because it was their

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<v Speaker 8>front lawn, there's going to be one hundred page report

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<v Speaker 8>on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I assume that whoever owned that

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<v Speaker 2>home would have had some homeowners insurance because obviously, if

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<v Speaker 2>someone walks up your steps and slips on your steps,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's a loose brinker front steps, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>personal liability. So I would assume that, but maybe they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that this is ever brought up at all.

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<v Speaker 2>To the best of my knowledge, I haven't followed the

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<v Speaker 2>case on a day to day basis, but I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>followed like I'm following Raffie Devers in San Francisco tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me put it like that.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and maybe maybe he did just stagger out there.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean to be honest with you that I staggered

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<v Speaker 8>rocks or doing whatever I was doing. Yeah, so maybe

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<v Speaker 8>he didn't get dragged. Maybe he did get in a fight,

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<v Speaker 8>they thought it was over, he walks out, thinks she's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna know for sure. I mean, if there has been

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<v Speaker 2>a doorbell camera, Let's say that there was a doorbell

423
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<v Speaker 2>camera that the state police had discovered and on the

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<v Speaker 2>camera were pictures of him walking into the house, and

425
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<v Speaker 2>the state police had secured that camera, that video footage

426
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<v Speaker 2>that night. She never would have been indicted.

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<v Speaker 8>But if it really was a blizzard, those cameras aren't

428
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<v Speaker 8>the best things in the world anyway. If it's a blizzard,

429
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<v Speaker 8>you could just see an image walking in. But I

430
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<v Speaker 8>think he walked out on his own after a brawl.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Well again, what you think? And I think it is interesting,

432
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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't the jury's not going to have go No.

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<v Speaker 8>I wanted I wanted to know what the insurance company thinks.

434
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<v Speaker 8>That's where I want to know.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I don't. I don't know if to the

436
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<v Speaker 2>best of mine, I have heard nothing in any of this,

437
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<v Speaker 2>and we have a lot.

438
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<v Speaker 8>Of and even the even the auto insurance. If you

439
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<v Speaker 8>have a beautiful Lexus that kill somebody or you know,

440
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<v Speaker 8>at least accused of, there's going to be an investigation

441
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<v Speaker 8>there as well.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely there should be.

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<v Speaker 8>But again then you can compare it, and then you

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<v Speaker 8>compare all three. Yeah, okay, one, all right, John, thank you, Dan,

445
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<v Speaker 8>thank you, sir.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's someone out there listening who's going to be

447
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<v Speaker 2>able to say to us there was an insurance report filed.

448
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that to be the truth. So simple

449
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<v Speaker 2>as that, I'm one of these guys. I enjoy the conversation.

450
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I learned as much from you guys as you might

451
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<v Speaker 2>learn from me. I probably learned more from you guys.

452
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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. I there are some things that.

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<v Speaker 8>I and there is a bottom line here. The bottom

454
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<v Speaker 8>line is something something happened to him.

455
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<v Speaker 2>It's the bottom line is a young guy who adopted

456
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<v Speaker 2>two children. Uh is not in a police officer people?

457
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<v Speaker 9>Well, yeah, I mean you assume we're all flawed, right, Yeah,

458
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<v Speaker 9>they weren't gang members, is what I think you're trying

459
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<v Speaker 9>to say to me in a different way.

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<v Speaker 2>Simple as that, Hey, John, I gotta roll here. You

461
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<v Speaker 2>gotta go. Thank you much, Thank you. Good call. Thoughtful, thoughtful,

462
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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it, Appreciate it. Mike is in Newton, Mike, you

463
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<v Speaker 2>were next on a Nightsiger Right ahead, Mike.

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<v Speaker 4>Damn, my blood is boiling.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm I'm happy to that. I hope it's only

466
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<v Speaker 2>caused by the conversation and you don't have some sort

467
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<v Speaker 2>of blood.

468
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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, No, I haven't been down in Denham, but

469
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<v Speaker 4>I've watched just about every single day of both trials.

470
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<v Speaker 4>We have watched everything. People that are calling in they

471
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<v Speaker 4>haven't watched the evidence, Dan, the evidence, the arc of people.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't nobody hit him. The vehicles did not hit him. That,

473
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<v Speaker 4>doctor Lapisada. The vehicle did not hit him. The X rays,

474
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<v Speaker 4>there was no bruising, There were no broken bones, Doctor Russell.

475
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<v Speaker 4>They were dog bites. There were animal bites. The Dighton

476
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<v Speaker 4>cop who picked up the car from Karen's father's house

477
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<v Speaker 4>said it was a cracked tail light. And when he

478
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<v Speaker 4>was instructed to go to the house at five o'clock

479
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<v Speaker 4>or something in the afternoon there to pick up the

480
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<v Speaker 4>car from from her father's house, he said, we're investigating

481
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 4>the homicide. That it was a done deal by the

482
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<v Speaker 4>time they got to the car at Karen's house. And

483
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<v Speaker 4>then a hare followed from from wherever it was. I

484
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<v Speaker 4>don't know where it was. It was fall River or something.

485
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<v Speaker 4>All the way back to the Canton Sallyport. One piece

486
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<v Speaker 4>of hair was stuck on the bumper. And then the

487
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<v Speaker 4>Boston cop who recanted her complete story, her complete testimony

488
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<v Speaker 4>because she went upstairs and talked to the police commission.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that I had a brain. I had a brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the deal, here's the deal. You're you're speculating wildly

491
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<v Speaker 2>in terms of that. She talked to the police commissioner.

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<v Speaker 2>I know no evidence that that was introduced in court

493
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<v Speaker 2>to that effect.

494
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<v Speaker 4>It came out in trial, Jess. They talked to See

495
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.039
<v Speaker 4>the problem is you guys didn't listen to the trial.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. It came up,

497
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<v Speaker 2>here's the deal. Here's the deal. You're correct. Let me

498
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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you. Okay, Mike, you're correct. I did

499
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<v Speaker 2>not spend my day as apparently you were able to

500
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<v Speaker 2>do listening to No, No, No, No.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't. I didn't spend my day. No. I worked

502
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<v Speaker 4>all day and then I came home at night and

503
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<v Speaker 4>Will I listened to Better Throw. I listened to UH

504
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 4>a number of other stations. We watched the trial. We

505
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 4>watched every single bit of it. We watched all the evidence.

506
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you got to get a life, John, You've got

507
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<v Speaker 2>to get a life here, Okay, excuse me, Mike, Mike.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan You're you're losing it. You got a little dementia.

509
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<v Speaker 2>Oh please, you know what, Mike, you know want you

510
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, stick it in your ear. Okay, have a

511
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>great mode. Yeah, okay, uh see you see you. I

512
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<v Speaker 2>was actually I was panning to go to my lext

513
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>my next caller. Uh. You you need to get a life, Okay.

514
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<v Speaker 2>Uh I I know enough about the case to know

515
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 2>what what made UH coverage both in the Globe, the

516
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Herald and on the major stations. So again, anyway, stick

517
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<v Speaker 2>it in your ear mind as simple as that. Okay,

518
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>we'll leave it at that. We'll take a no, I'll

519
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.160
<v Speaker 2>take one more call here. Actually I'm going to go

520
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<v Speaker 2>to Ian and San Antonio, Texas. Ian has this story

521
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 2>made its way all the way to Texas?

522
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.359
<v Speaker 10>Oh? Yes? And yeah. So this is what I wanted

523
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 10>to tell you about the way I see things. And

524
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<v Speaker 10>I didn't follow the first trial. It was a glance.

525
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 10>It was at a glance every once in a while.

526
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<v Speaker 10>What caught my attention on the first trial was the

527
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<v Speaker 10>comments of a detective proctor. I couldn't believe my ears,

528
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 10>but it harkened me back to when I grew up

529
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<v Speaker 10>there and I knew and I have one hundred support

530
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<v Speaker 10>behind law enforcement. Personally, I believe in safety. But there

531
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<v Speaker 10>is something particular, particularly peculiar about some jurisdictions there in Massachusetts.

532
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.960
<v Speaker 10>I grew up there, and I've seen it with my

533
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<v Speaker 10>own eyes, and I did watch the first trial because

534
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<v Speaker 10>I didn't want to make an opinion unless I saw

535
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<v Speaker 10>for myself the evidence in trial.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what's.

537
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<v Speaker 4>That.

538
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<v Speaker 10>She is completely not guilty. It was a frame up.

539
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<v Speaker 10>The evidence in court was compelling in that in all

540
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:50.319
<v Speaker 10>those on all that those counts, they police completely did

541
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:56.880
<v Speaker 10>not do their job un ethically or ethically. The night

542
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 10>of the accident. Nothing he was investigated but a little,

543
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.599
<v Speaker 10>a little bit around him. They didn't knock on if

544
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:10.039
<v Speaker 10>this is what I think happened, if they had done

545
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 10>their job that night, they would have known what happened.

546
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<v Speaker 10>I believe that he walked in the house, into the

547
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<v Speaker 10>not into the house, excuse me, the garage. There's a

548
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<v Speaker 10>door to the right that went directly into the garage,

549
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<v Speaker 10>and he was attacked by the dog. In the force

550
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 10>of that dog, uh knocked him back right back on

551
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 10>his head, and the dog did him. Okay, I don't

552
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 10>believe there was a fight. I believe they came. They

553
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 10>didn't know this happened. The occupants of the house for

554
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 10>a little for a bit, and then he was found,

555
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 10>and then they tried to cover it up and frame her.

556
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>Well again, well I don't want to say frame her. No,

558
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<v Speaker 10>I take that back. They I think they really did

559
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<v Speaker 10>want to make it look like the plow, you know, stopping.

560
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Their job.

561
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 10>Okay for investigation.

562
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 2>So did you grow up in Boston? And is that

563
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<v Speaker 2>what you said?

564
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

565
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh, come on, you realize that. So you're not related

566
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>to Dave the other fellow who calls from San Antonio. No,

567
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if you were next door neighbor or something.

568
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 2>How'd you get to San Antonio?

569
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<v Speaker 10>My husband's job is taking us all around the world.

570
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 2>Really, okay? Military military, Yes, yes, good for you, Thank you,

571
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>thank your husband for service. Well, I that's you presented

572
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.960
<v Speaker 2>it very well. You presented what your belief is, which

573
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 2>is what which is what we do here on night side.

574
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<v Speaker 10>And uh, I believe that she was drunk driving, I

575
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 10>mean to drink that much and go in a car,

576
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.039
<v Speaker 10>and they all did and that was I found that

577
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.160
<v Speaker 10>quite striking that nobody and this is law enforced, and

578
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 10>they had no compunction about getting in the cars and

579
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 10>driving after drinking at a bar.

580
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<v Speaker 2>There was Well, I think that part of that is

581
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<v Speaker 2>that police officers sometimes figure that they get a courtesy

582
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<v Speaker 2>from another police officer. But like anything else, you gotta

583
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>you gotta always make sure that Yeah, no, you're right

584
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<v Speaker 2>on that one. Yeah, thank you so much. That was

585
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 2>a great I really appreciate it. Keep in touch. I

586
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:30.079
<v Speaker 2>thought you would like I don't know. I figured that

587
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 2>you must have known Day from San Antonio. When you

588
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>see him down there, say hello for me.

589
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, thanks, I talk.

590
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>To you than now. See I just had a mystery solve.

591
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<v Speaker 2>Let me take a quick break. Come right back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's

593
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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, let's keep rolling here. I'm gonna go to John

595
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<v Speaker 2>and Boston John next on nights. I go ahead, thanks you.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to nurse. The other n I called

597
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<v Speaker 4>to that he was Johnald Key was missing three liters

598
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<v Speaker 4>of blood. There was a lot of blood that was missing.

599
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<v Speaker 4>I try to find that in the records of the

600
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<v Speaker 4>court that I couldn't quite fight. It's not saying it's

601
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<v Speaker 4>not there, but whether I do no, even if it

602
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<v Speaker 4>was three pints of blood, it would be all over

603
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 4>that ground there, and it just wasn't that amount of blood. Also,

604
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 4>there was blood going down a shirt. And if he

605
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 4>was laying a hit by the car, he would it

606
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 4>would be around his neck and his shoulders. And a

607
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<v Speaker 4>couple observations also did the experts. The experts said he

608
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<v Speaker 4>was not hit by a car. So then what are

609
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<v Speaker 4>the amateur jer was supposed to think? If the experts

610
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<v Speaker 4>said that he was not hit by a car, then

611
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<v Speaker 4>how was the amateur jervey What are they supposed to think?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>And you don't need to be a trained journalist or

614
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<v Speaker 4>at the beginning to know that. Hey, you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>to the Palace of O. You can't have a tremendous

616
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<v Speaker 4>grass of the obvious, just know one. Hey, wait a minute,

617
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<v Speaker 4>the experts said he wasn't hit by a car.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I get that. No, I get that. I

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<v Speaker 2>understand what you say, and I understood it was but

620
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<v Speaker 2>normally normally, and again I had the disadvantage of being

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<v Speaker 2>honest with people. I'm not going to tell you that

622
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<v Speaker 2>I watched every frame of the testimony, that I stayed

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<v Speaker 2>up late at night, like my friend Mike. I don't

624
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<v Speaker 2>know what Mike does for a living, but he's got

625
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot, he's got too much time in his hands.

626
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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is there probably was experts on the

627
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<v Speaker 2>other side. Normally in these cases you have two experts prosecution, defendant,

628
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<v Speaker 2>a defense expert, and one says one thing, one says

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<v Speaker 2>the other. It's very rare John that Let's say an

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<v Speaker 2>expert gets up with the witness stand and the lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>for the other side jumps up and says, your honor,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no questions. This guy knows what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with him, or vice versa. That's all I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that there's probably stuff that that the jury can

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<v Speaker 2>look at from different ways. If that's the way trials work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree to you. Like Brettan, he's highly educated trained.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure in the powers of observation. I'm sure both

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<v Speaker 4>sides had access to all the documents the examiners had

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<v Speaker 4>ye like, for instance, Attorney Brennan, and he had access

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<v Speaker 4>to the Document's examiner cut the holes in the back

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<v Speaker 4>of John o'keith sweatshirt, and yet he presents the sweatshirt

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<v Speaker 4>to the jury and points out the holes, specifically implying

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<v Speaker 4>that they were created by getting hit by a car,

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<v Speaker 4>and that they were created by as opposent. He had

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<v Speaker 4>the document did yet he was highly educated and he

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<v Speaker 4>knew he had the documents from the medical examiner that

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<v Speaker 4>said they were created by her, and he presented it

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<v Speaker 4>to the jury. And then he says he makes a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly true. Guess what, John, John, Guess John, John.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you you've made a few mistakes in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've made mistakes in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't believe it was a mistake. I'm I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't, John. I'm sure you don't, John, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to disabuse you of that notion. John. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's no reason to talk over me. I've given you

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of time to talk here.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm saying you interrupted, no time to explained before

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<v Speaker 4>I got my thought through, that's all, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've got your points out very clearly. John. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any point that I have prevented you from making?

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you just cut in and just stolen me finish it,

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<v Speaker 4>that's all, But go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But is there a point that you want to

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<v Speaker 2>make that you haven't made?

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<v Speaker 4>The only other point I'm make, Dan, is the detective

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<v Speaker 4>Galagher is here in the morning, thirty years experience. He

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't check the video across the street that's looking at

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<v Speaker 4>the crime scene, but he goes and gets borrows the

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<v Speaker 4>leaf flower to blow snow. Does that not create suspicions?

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<v Speaker 4>I would go up and again you be you're a

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<v Speaker 4>detective of thirty years and you don't go check the

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<v Speaker 4>video on a ringer that's at the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>John, all of that evidence is going to be with

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<v Speaker 2>the jury. What I'm what I disagree with you about.

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<v Speaker 2>You're making a conclusion that Hank Brennan, who I know

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit is a highly ethical lawyer, would be

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<v Speaker 2>a fool, and he's not a fool, would be a

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<v Speaker 2>fool to try to say, well, I'm gonna I'm somehow

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<v Speaker 2>gonna scam the jury here into thinking I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've made mistakes, You've made mistakes. I think we're all

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hypercritical here tonight, and a lot of you have

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<v Speaker 2>figured this out. And it's too bad that you weren't

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<v Speaker 2>in the jury, because maybe we would have a verdict

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<v Speaker 2>by now. All I'm just telling you is, go ahead, John.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to be talking while you're interrupting me.

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<v Speaker 4>But go ahead, go ahead ahead. I'm not good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you were trying to you were accusing me of

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<v Speaker 2>interrupting you, and then you're doing the same thing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>All I'm saying, John, is that I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>answers that you seem to have, and that Mike from

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<v Speaker 2>Newton has the and others have. I'm simply trying to

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<v Speaker 2>whenever a set of viewpoint, I play a little what's

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<v Speaker 2>called Devil's advocate, John. That's my job. My job is

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<v Speaker 2>not to sit here and say what George, right up, yup,

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<v Speaker 2>up up up up? Good good points, John, And guess.

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<v Speaker 4>What I get it?

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<v Speaker 2>Matt. Matt was Matt was right on the money. Matt

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<v Speaker 2>was right. I don't do that, John. I I try

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<v Speaker 2>to pick your arguments apart. That's what my job is.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't be offended by it. Okay, that's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be offended by it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm it's just said. It's not even my eye,

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<v Speaker 4>but just telling you what what the attorney said in

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<v Speaker 4>court and what and as matter of fact, character.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what he said in court, John, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said I made a mistake. Have you ever made a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake in your life? John? Have you ever said to

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<v Speaker 2>someone guess what. I'm wrong. I made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>I have I just again. You know, he had access

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<v Speaker 4>to the documents, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Knew he was.

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<v Speaker 10>Trying.

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<v Speaker 2>He was trying to scam the joy throwing up John,

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<v Speaker 2>him up on my brake. I gotta let you run.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you got it. Attorney too, So let's hold

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<v Speaker 4>him again.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hold that against him, because Whitey Bulger didn't deserve

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<v Speaker 2>to have a decent attorney. He had to be crumbed.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably worked with Mighty, with Whitey Bulger, maybe killing

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<v Speaker 2>a few people. Come on, John, that's really beneath you. John,

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<v Speaker 2>And I know you well enough to know that's beneath you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of people of Alan Dershowitz was Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's attorney, Okay, and Alan Dershowitz, come on, that's beneath you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Night, Back on Night's side. Right after this