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Speaker 1: Welcome to Squatching Holler.

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Speaker 2: In the midst where the trees lean loom.

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Speaker 3: Squatching Hollers gotta tail.

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Speaker 4: The show whispers.

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Speaker 3: Creep like creature's faded out.

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Speaker 4: Every shadows got a secret to grow?

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Speaker 3: Monsters rise Where the stories.

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Speaker 5: Are too Squatching hollow Where the legends are born?

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Speaker 4: Are they here?

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Speaker 2: Are they gone?

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Speaker 4: Who can say? In the Holler the truth?

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Speaker 1: Just I wish.

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Speaker 2: Huge footprints fade where the creek runs them a lantern sways.

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Speaker 4: Let the search peak in rustling waves. But there's no

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one near.

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Speaker 6: Is it the wind or the beast?

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Speaker 1: You fear?

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Speaker 4: Everywhere goes a question.

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Speaker 6: Every russell's a clue.

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Speaker 5: Spatching Holly's got its eye on you. Monsters lose the

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stories are told? Swatching how where the legends are going?

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Speaker 4: Are they Are they gone?

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Speaker 2: You can see.

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Speaker 6: The truth, not say.

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Speaker 7: And now with your Squatching Holler, hosts Roger Williams, Amanda

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Stowers and Ashley Rams remembers this podcast can be downloaded

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everywhere great podcasts are found.

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Speaker 4: And now the show.

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Speaker 3: This is Jeremiah Biron from Bigford Society, and you're listening

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to Squatch and Holler, So get ready because it's a

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good time, all right, the way to bring us in.

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Uh hey, Amanda, everybody in chat chat Rock and Rolling

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calls backstage. Uh I fat thumbed the text and told

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him eight o'clock and he's a trooper. Uh Carl, if

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you're back back there and you can hear us, we're

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gonna take a few minutes. We're gonna do a segment here. Uh. First,

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I want to say, y'all, y'all all all, I have

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seen Jeremiah's posts and stuff about his health, just you know,

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continue to pray for him, and you know, maybe maybe

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he can figure out, you know, what caused this and

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how they can beat it and everything. But for you

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that don't know, just just go. You know, I really

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hadn't talked about it publicly. I've talked to him a

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few times and everybody's been so supportive. You know, go

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go buy Bigfoot Society on Facebook and you know, telling

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me praying for him. It means a lot to him

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right now. So anyway, we we have a new segment,

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and we're gonna do it before we bring the guest

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out each week. It's not gonna be long. This one

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might be a little longer. I'm gonna give a no

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cars probably he rushed. I see him backstage. He's odd,

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no problem, he's a trooper. But that was my fault.

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So what we're gonna do, Amanda, She's gonna read one.

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I'm gonna one, and then we'll just do too tonight.

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But I had idea because Manda does all this all

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this research, I mean all the time. She's always digging

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into things. And you know, if you've seen her, bind her,

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she's she's more organized than probably NASA. And I thought, well,

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you know, she doesn't get to share it with anybody,

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and I kind of didn't ask her. I was hoping

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she didn't get mad at me. I made a little

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intro for her, and uh, it's it's a little goofy,

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but you know that's what we're about. We're about fun, right,

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So uh if you come here thinking we're gonna be

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serious all the time, you know, I hate it. I

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hate it for you because but anyway, here's let me

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play this this little thing here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, show them your little intro you made of you

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Speaker 3: I did a female voice and it, uh it didn't

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kind of work like I thought it, but I thought

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it was funny. Here we go, and now Amanda's Bigfoot

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News brought to you buy.

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Speaker 2: Squatching all her.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like it's a secret, you know what I mean.

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Don't say it too loud. But anyway, since quit, don't

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be laughing. She's all right, so I'll read the first

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one because she got tickled. Yall. So this this is

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from a newspaper. All these are going to be from

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newspaper articles from the past. This one happens to be

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June eighteenth, nineteen twenty three, from the Leaf Chronicle in Nashville, Tennessee.

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So's it's titled Giants Giants Bones Abide in State. Huge

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skeletons found near Nashville indicated habitat of prehistoric Race Nashville,

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June eighteen. Hundreds of bodies of prehistoric giant Indians are

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buried within less than seven miles of the heart of Nashville.

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This is the belief of mister M. K. Kun of

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sixteen o nine twenty third Avenue North, who has dug

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up one skeleton intact of a giant Indian measuring more

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than seven feet in height. She also has uncovered bones

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of more than fifty others of this tribe. And this

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is back in the day before you you know, had

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to report this stuff, so, I mean, I don't agree

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with some of this what she did. But the final

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was made near the spot where James Roberson, founder of Nashville,

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and his party landed back in seventeen eighty one on

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Richland Creek where it empties in the Cumberland River. And

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we have Richland Creek about three miles over here, and

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they have found the same thing here.

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Speaker 8: So you were telling me earlier.

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Speaker 3: When I said, I said, yeah, so you can search

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that on YouTube. It shocked me that they were talking

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about this creek on that video. They said, efforts will

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be made to have a representative of the Smithsonian Institute

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in Washington explore the ancient Indian mounds at this place.

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Missus Coon built her home on the top of one

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of these mounds. And it was a different time and

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it was while workmen were excavating that the graveyard of

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the giants were unearthed. The quote the sweeper struck something hard,

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Miss Coon said, Tuesday, And when I investigated, I found

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the thigh bone of a human. It was about four

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feet in length length. Wow. I stopped the work and

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became that's I stopped the work and began digging an

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outline formed around the human. It formed a human. When

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the skeleton was disinterred, it was found to measure seven

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feet in length. The skull was nearly eighteen inches in

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cir circumference, and the jawbones were about a foot long.

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The jawbones were about a foot long.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, about a foot long. I couldn't remember.

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Speaker 9: It was along this way your front to back or

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side to side, or like total h servile.

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Speaker 3: So uh. She goes on to say, several girls age,

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and there have been battles by ancient tribes. Said, I

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believe there are more than one hundred skeletons in this graveyard.

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For I could not dig wells or make a garden

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on account of the hundreds of bones. I dug up

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scores of those thick monster skulls, and oh my god,

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and use them for ornaments, she laughed.

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Speaker 8: I know I was reading it.

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Speaker 9: I was like they used them for ornaments, so that

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they used them as like decoration in the house, like

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Speaker 8: Know, if we bought, like to say, a skull at

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the yeah general or whatever, or if they used it.

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like a flower pot out of it.

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Speaker 10: Or something. I don't know why.

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Speaker 8: That's where my brain went.

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Speaker 3: And they probably wondered why the kids didn't want to

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go to mama's house. But I can imagine the paranormal

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activity possibly, you know, that they had after that. So

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among the skeletons also were found weapons of large dimensions,

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a pot more than four feet in diamond or cornmeal,

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a piece of metal weighing about fifteen pounds, which missus

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Coon said was used like a huge weapon. There were

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from one to six bodies buried in each grave. Mss

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that of the ancient. She added, as evidenced by the

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fact that two huge teeth were found with cavities were

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filled with gold.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, isn't that crazy? So they already had dentistry and

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Speaker 3: That was from.

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Speaker 5: Man, how many some.

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Speaker 9: Of us goes definitely more into like some of the

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ancient giants stuff. I've got tons of stuff with Bigfoot

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in it. But I found this one earlier. You know,

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you being south of Nashville there, I thought you'd think

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it was pretty neat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you had no idea that you know. I'm

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sure it's probably the same creek. It just it's here too,

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and either heads that way or heads this way, I

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don't know. But so yeah, the Leaf Chronicle, well it

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says June thirteenth, nineteen twenty three, but the actual article

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said the eighteenth, So we're not gonna get hung up

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on that. I'm more yeah, yeah, about my.

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Speaker 8: Typo somewhere or something.

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Speaker 3: Mama seven skulls in her house.

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Speaker 9: So with mister Carl backstage, you, Roger mentioned to me

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that he was in Arizona currently. So I was trying

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to dig and find something here from Arizona, and sure

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enough I did, And of course it's about some of

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the ancient giant stuff that was found. So I'll read

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that one out to you. But because I should probably

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go see an eye doctor, I'm going to try to

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read from the book, so.

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Speaker 8: Hopefully I don't hit a key with it here, all right,

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Speaker 3: That car read it, and I'm kidding, right hey.

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Speaker 9: Sur Rice, He says, no, thank you? All right, So

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giants found in Arizona. This is July twenty fifth, nineteen hundred,

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so that's one hundred and twenty six years ago. A

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skeleton of a man seventeen feet long found in a

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cave in the west. Now, think about this is printed

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in New York State, but it's about Arizona. Arizona was

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in a state. It was still territory at that time.

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northern Mexico team with tales of a race of giants

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who once lived on the mesas. Scientists say that prehistoric

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man was a little hairy creature, bearing a closer resemblance

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to a monkey than a man. Darwin islam enforces this belief.

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The hilts of the weapons of the men of the

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Bronze Age are too small to be classed firmly by

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men of today. Their armor is too small for men

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of today. But the finding of a prehistoric skeleton in

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the Grand Canyon of the Colorado River would, if authenticitate,

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that's my southern tonguet in the way authenticated overthrow all

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the arguments of the scientists. Forty miles from Flagstaff, Arizona Hull,

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the Guide has on earthed a petrified skeleton of a

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man whom he estimated to have been at least seven

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teen feet high. An old Indian led the Guide to

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the human monster's tomb. The skeleton lay face down on

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a shelf under a projecting rock. The right arm was extended,

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the left leg was missing. The right leg had been

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broken off at the knee, but the foot was found

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lodged in a crevasse nearby.

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Speaker 8: Lime water falling on.

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Speaker 9: The corpse had turned it into stone. The outlines of

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the body were perfect. Hull did not turn the fossil

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over or make accurate measurements. He and the old Indian

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again different times, y'all. He and the old Indian studied

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the stone skeleton for ten minutes and then returned to

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the trail nearby. Hull found perfect footprints of the giant

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imprinted in the stone. Their distance apart showed his stride

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to have been at least five feet. This would, however,

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indicate of a height of not over ten or eleven

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feet maybe. When Hull returned to Flagstaff, science has scuffed

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at his story, and his friends laughed at him. He

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has not visited the skeleton because of his fear of ridicule,

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and of course, though he clings to the story and

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says he will lead any scientists to the spot to

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prove or discrum his giant must for the present be

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labeled interesting if true. Now, notice doesn't that sound awful

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a lot like how people nowadays get so ridiculed about,

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you know, crypto sightings of any kind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, when we had M K. Davist

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tendency history studies and all, and none of just being

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brought up when on the once the smiths Onian gets there,

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stuff disappears. I mean it's just I mean, you watch

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all the WI files.

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Speaker 8: Get my tinfoil hat and put that on.

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Speaker 3: Because yes, well well I read a report where there

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about this at length. There was a guy that came

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along that was in charge. I think before him, everything

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was okay. But he had a disdain, he had a

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hate for Native American people, and he went a lot. Yeah,

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he himself went on a tear to hide everything he

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could or destroy everything he could. And uh, you know,

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Kenny and I, you know, had a you know, good

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conversation about this. And the more you dig and and

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find out some of these areas you know, even close

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to me. Uh, it's shocking. Uh, and then then you

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find out, well, why did they hide it? And that's

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the you know, million dollar question. You know, I guess

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that's they want you to know certain things. They don't

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want you to know who they are. I don't know, but.

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Speaker 8: Right, that's the fifty million dollar.

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Speaker 10: Question, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's it's sad that, you know, we just they

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feel like they can't trust us with the truth. And

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here we are doing bigfoot shows because we've seen these things.

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People in chat has seen these things, and we're trying

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to figure out not if they're real or not, but

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what are they? Where did they come from?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Why? Why? Why is the only history that we find

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in caves or in oral history passed down through Native

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Americans and you know, chat chest Chad could getting some

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conversations of a ton of stuff that's being you know, uh,

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we call it manipulated, but it's just and they wonder

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why people don't trust people in charge sometimes. So anyway,

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good job, Amanda, I like this, I like this. I

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know you've got a ton more and yeah yeah, oh yeah,

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I've seen your few stacked that. But anyway, let's bring

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out mister Carl. You gready, Carl give me a thumbs up.

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He shook his head.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, am ready, I am ready ready.

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Speaker 3: Carl's got a radio voice.

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Speaker 8: Yes, thank you so much for tweaking around and coming

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on so quick for us there. That was.

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Speaker 3: I'm so embarrassed when he's he responded, and I thought, oh,

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I didn't do it that, and I scrolled up, my my,

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I did it, but SERI hates me. Uh and she

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just woke up. Shut up. So I can spell a

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word a thousand times correctly, and if I spell it

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one time the predicted text and said text, it says

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like that's where we're gonna get him at. So anyway,

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but thank you, sir, welcome in. I appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate being here, you know. So uh yeah, well

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listen to your story. You know, there was actually in

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southern Illinois on my cousin's farm. They actually had over

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the centuries now that their family has been on the

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farm since eighteen twenty, and they had one of the

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fields they had plowed. They uncovered a lot of artifacts

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and one of those was about a forty two pound

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axe head that was made a solid copper.

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Speaker 8: Wow, oh dude, that's even cooler.

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Speaker 3: That goes that goes back a while right there.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, and and other artifacts really from that

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same era. And and just like you said, the Smithsonian

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was very interested in those, and they came by and

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picked up all of those. Well you know, they they

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had found the original documents that actually you know that

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they were on loan to the Smithsonian. So they asked

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for them back. And this was twenty years ago, twenty

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five years ago, and the Smithsonian returned everything except the accid.

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They gave back a facsimile of the accent. It was

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made out of. It was like, you know, some kind

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of polymer copy of it. And they said that it

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was it was too historically significant in order to return it.

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But they have not seen it and they haven't seen

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photos of it because, like I said, this was probably

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collected in the eighteen eighties from by the Smithsonian.

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Speaker 3: Carl, I know this is obvious, but you know how

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tough it is with the five or ten pounds sledgehammer

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forty pounds.

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Speaker 4: Forty two pounds.

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Speaker 3: How big would you have to be to use it?

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Speaker 4: That is incredible exactly. And it wasn't I mean, it

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wasn't like it was more like a weapon of war.

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You know, axe head not chopping wood accents.

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Speaker 3: Right, Thanks for sharing that. That's see y'all. That's that's

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that's the kind of stuff that that's what's good. Well,

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it's good together and talk about this because I know,

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I love I love hearing it, but it kind of

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disappoints me too, because you know, things that they've had

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for a hundred years and people, you know and the

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family have forgotten about it, you know. And we were

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joking before the show that, you know, like, well what

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do they do with all this stuff? And the scene

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in Indiana Jones popped up going into the big wirehouse, right,

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Oh yeah, exactly, this stuff up.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing exactly yep, oh yeah, no, that yeah. And

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and I mean, their their firm has so much history there,

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you know, the ancestor that ended up moving or the

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son of their ancestor that you know that ended up

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buying that property. In eighteen twenty signed the Bennington Declaration

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of Freedom, which you know, we're coming up on the

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two hundred and fiftieth bursary, but a lot of people

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don't are like I've never heard of that, the Bennington

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Declaration of Freedom, and it was written at the end

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of May in seventeen seventy five as a protest to

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what happened on May eighteenth, seventeen seventy five, which was

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Lexington and Concord. And at that farm in southern Illinois

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right now as i'm speaking, is an original copy of

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that Bennington Declaration of Freedom. My cousin brought that out,

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and I'm telling you, my hands were shaking because from

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across the room I could see it was iron gall

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ink on that page and here's all these signatures and

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it was basically this protest and from my understanding, Thomas

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Jefferson actually used some of the complaints in that document

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when drafting the Declaration of Independence.

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Speaker 10: So what a cool piece of family exactly.

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Speaker 4: And it's still there right now, but you know they

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don't want to it. And not only that, but later

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on Gideon Spencer, who was that ancestor, he fought in

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the in the Battle of Bunker Hill, and I know

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there's another name for it. It really wasn't Bunker Hill

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that they fought on, but and at the farmhouse they

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have the flintlock rifle and powder horn that he had

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that date.

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Speaker 3: So wow, and it's easy. It's amazing that it's been

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preserved because I've held American history in my hand hands

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several times from the old timers that used to live

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around here that are gone now, and they were thinking about,

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you know, donating to museums and stuff like that, and

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one of the great nephews said, you know, I'll take it.

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And it wasn't his fault, but he took all of

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these documents and these weapons and stuff that I just

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was thankful to get this because the historical value and

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people who had signed these papers, and this young gentleman's

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house burned, they lost every bit of it. So you know, y'all,

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stuff like that needs to be to be protected. So

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we're reminded, you know, of how they you know, because

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the history books expect, you know, the school history books

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give us a water down version of maybe what happened

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just a little bit. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I own a copy of an eighteen fifty American

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history school book and it is as it is, as thicker,

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if not thicker than my kids uh history school book

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that they had in high school, and that there was

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so much detail in there. And I've read that multiple times.

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But yeah, that's an amazing, amazing book.

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Speaker 3: I've gotten an album I got in trouble. I don't

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know if I've told this on this show. I got

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in trouble in the third grade. My mom and dad

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we didn't we didn't have much money at all, and

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they had borrowed an old, old set of encyclopedias, and

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so I drew George Washington as I had the name, Like,

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so I got to do a report on George Washington.

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I go and I didn't have anything other than the encyclopedias.

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And when I got finished with my report, the teacher

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came to me the next you know, after she read

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it and everything. She said, where in the world did

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you hear this mess at? I'm like, well, you told

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me to put down where I got it. It's it's

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the last page. You know. It's a certain cyclopedia for

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a certain year. And and the story was George Washington.

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Of course it had how he died, but they hadn't

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told us the whole story on that. And then what

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I thought was cool, He's like, basically, I'm gonna give

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you the cliff notes is like, hey, we need a

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president or something. So George had a party at his house,

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served everybody beer and probably some ride to you that

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he made there and got everybody drunk, brought up the

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idea and they're like, yeah, George, who do you think

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it should be?

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Speaker 4: George?

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Speaker 3: So our first president was nominated. Everybody was plaster drunk.

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So that's you know. And she was she was mad,

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and I guess she went and checked it out and

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she never said anything to me. But and and you know,

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what does this have to do with Bigfoot? Has a

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lot to do with Bigfoot because things have been hidden

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from us, truths have been hidden from us. Uh. We

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we were called crazy even though we know we're not.

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And what's good about finding your group? Like we have

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a lot of people had similar experiences. You know, if

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it was just me by myself, maybe I might believe them,

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you know. And but now we know the truth. So

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but so how did Carl and y'all y'all know?

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Speaker 1: How Row?

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Speaker 3: I see a little bit of interview and I'm like, man,

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I want to talk to that. I don't know much

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about your stories. How did you get introduced to this

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subject or what happened?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Sure I can. I can tell you right off

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the bat, you know. So, so back in nineteen sixty

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eight as a kid, and I'm living in Elmhurst, Illinois

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and so suburb of Chicago, and my dad had a

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subscription to Ergacy magazine and that, and you know, there

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were so many stories about explorers and adventures and it

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was like the paper version of Expedition Unknown, right, and

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the but I remember February nineteen sixty eight that you

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know edition came through and it had arrived in the

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mail and it was, you know, on the cover it

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said California's Abominable Snowman, right. And I remember as a kid,

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I read that multiple times, multiple times, and I you know,

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and I'm thinking, well, you know, if it exists, you know,

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it's probably up in the Pacific Northwest or northern California,

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and you know, and and I really didn't kind of

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ended up shelving that away, although we did live next

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to a next to a railroad track at the back

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of our property and it went to the what what's

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called the Prairie Path in Chicago and it extends I

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couldn't tell you how many miles the Prairie Path runs,

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but it it runs all the way from southern you know,

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South Chicago, all the way up into basically Wisconsin, uh so,

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and it's it's like a hiking jogging biking trail. Uh

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and uh, you know, but it's very wild, lot of

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woods and and so forth. But I remember where as

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a kid. Now I don't tell this one this story

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a lot, because I you know, I still couldn't tell

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you what it was. But I remember that there was

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a big linden tree that was right outside my bedroom

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window in the backyard. And I remember one night I

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woke up to go to the bathroom and I came

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back into the bedroom and there was moonlight, you know,

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outside there was it must have been maybe a November

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type type front time frame, because the linden tree didn't

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have any leaves on it or very sparse, and there

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was a figure in the tree outside the bedroom window,

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probably i'll say one hundred feet outside the window. And

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it was and I remembered it very vividly because its

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eyes glowed red when when I saw it. But it

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was very humanoid. Okay, it wasn't, you know it? And

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and I remember seeing it and I would turned around

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right around, and I ran over to my parents' bedroom

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and woke up my dad, and my dad came in

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the bedroom and and by that point it wasn't in

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the tree, so they kind of wrote it off that

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I was dreaming it somehow, but I know I was

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wide awake, so you know, but like I said, here's this,

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you know, Like I said, we backed up basically to

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a forest preserve, right, so who knows we always had

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badger's or deer or something, you know in our backyard.

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But you know, fast forward, you know, in seventy two,

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for my dad's health, we moved to Arizona, so uh

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and at in seventy six, I remember seeing the UH

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in search of with Leonard Nimoy, right in search of Bigfoot,

473
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and you know, and that and that kind of you know,

474
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,640
made me think back onto that Argacy magazine, which I

475
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,039
actually still have that that edition, but.

476
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 8: That's definitely a collector as I don't know, Oh.

477
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, but I you know, you know, and even

478
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:20,680
in high school, I remember I had a statistics class

479
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,880
and you know, and we had to take a survey of,

480
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,599
you know, of people, and I remember putting the survey together,

481
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,759
do you believe in? You know? You know, and the

482
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:36,119
survey was really all about cryptids, right, and it was

483
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,519
you know, do you believe in Bigfoot? Do you believe

484
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,680
in ghosts? Do you believe in you know Lockness Monster,

485
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
do you you know? So there was a big list

486
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:49,480
and it was funny because Bigfoot came to bottom, right, UFOs,

487
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000
I think we're number one, you know, Lockness Monster beat

488
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,759
out Bigfoot. So and you know, but I put all that,

489
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,480
you know, pie charts and everything else together that but

490
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,519
I know I was a nerd. Come on, you know,

491
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:04,039
you're good.

492
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: You're it's okay, it's it's amazing. You know, when you

493
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:19,400
are a kid and you see something in a movie

494
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:24,039
or on TV, you know your mindset. I had a

495
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:30,039
similar situation to where I think I can't. I can't

496
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,400
the timeline is off because I remember I think I

497
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,599
knew about it before, but not hardly anything. Maybe I

498
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,599
saw some kind of report like you're talking about or whatever,

499
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,759
and we only had we only had like three channels.

500
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,279
I think they're fourth from Come Along Later. But uh,

501
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,279
I just didn't watch TV much. And it's funny that

502
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,480
all of us, you know, from back then, kind of

503
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,920
thought the same thing. Well, you know it's Bigfoot, Well

504
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,599
it's probably one and he or she is in California somewhere,

505
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:14,960
so we're pretty safe. And it's I remember, you know,

506
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,119
you know, like you saw that thing in the tree

507
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:22,319
that had the light of fire. After seeing that, because

508
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,200
you're already curious to start with, and then after actually

509
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,519
seeing something you can't explain, how did that affect you?

510
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,319
Speaker 4: Well, there were so many people that you know, that

511
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,640
told me that, you know, there's no way you saw

512
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,519
that right, and and you know, till finally, until I

513
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,759
believed it right. And then we moved away soon after,

514
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,680
you know. So it wasn't until my dad passed away

515
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,359
in nineteen seventy eight. And I spent a lot of time,

516
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,599
even during my high school years once I once I

517
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,480
got my river's license exploring Arizona. So I was camping

518
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:08,200
out in extremely remote areas and you know, using a

519
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,720
frame pack and going into you know, fourteen twenty miles

520
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:15,680
into remote canyons, and you know, you wouldn't see another

521
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,039
person for the whole time you're out there, right, And

522
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,279
I remember, you know, there was some now now knowing

523
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,599
what I know, you know, I think back on some

524
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,440
of the weird experiences, like overnight, I'm thinking, oh, there's

525
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:35,160
acorns falling out of the oak tree, and you know,

526
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,000
in the morning, I wake up, you know, because I

527
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:41,240
hear hitting the tent and I find, you know, a

528
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:45,039
bunch of small rocks, like three dozen small rocks that

529
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,240
are you know, it hit it hit the tent and

530
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,920
slid down and were just piled up, you know, and

531
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,200
it's like, that's weird. You know. So there was a

532
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,759
lot of stuff that was well, that's weird. Of those experiences,

533
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,440
probably I'll say six to eight of those that I

534
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,680
can recall, and you know when I I think back,

535
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:11,400
you know. And then in nineteen eighty two, this was critical.

536
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,119
I was I went to a friend of mine had

537
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,720
one of those inflatable zodiac boats and we took it

538
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,160
up to Woods Canyon Lake on the Mogi On Rim

539
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,279
in Arizona, and we paddled that sucker across across the

540
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,319
lake to the far side, you know, unloaded all our

541
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,240
camping gear. We had one tent, you know, three guys

542
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:37,440
in a in a small tent, right, No, we weren't spooning,

543
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:43,359
but you know it was but yeah, nevertheless, and I'm

544
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,559
you know, and I'm six five, so you know, it's

545
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,960
it wasn't easy. But so the three of us were

546
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440
asleep in the tent and you know, we had fished

547
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,160
that night, caught some trout, cooked them h you know,

548
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,480
we just we really only had a one of the

549
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,119
coleman land terns with the mantles in it. And you know,

550
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:12,000
three in the morning, something howls incredibly loud, long, and

551
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,960
all three of us pile out of the tent, wake up,

552
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,840
pile out of the tent. It's pitch black, dark, and

553
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,519
there's no moon, and you know, and we're trying to

554
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,880
decide to get in just get in the boat and

555
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,039
you know, row across the lake and get the hell

556
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,719
out of here and just leave our stuff for or

557
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,159
what do we do? And I ended up, you know,

558
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,639
we ended up convincing ourselves. It must have been a

559
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:40,719
really large coyote, you know, but I'm telling you it

560
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,960
was at that time, nineteen eighty two. You didn't have

561
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,079
sub whiffers, but I'm telling you could feel it in

562
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:51,440
your chest right and it was that close. And but

563
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,920
we went got back in the tent, although I do

564
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,079
remember kind of staying awake for probably an hour as

565
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:03,000
I laid there. But you know, so I you know,

566
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,880
so I you know, that was nineteen eighty two. So

567
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:08,960
fast forward two thousand and eight. I'm sitting on my

568
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,280
couch with my son watching TV. And Messing with Sasquatch

569
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,159
commercial came on, right, and you know, and I laughed

570
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,119
my ass off. It was the one with the hitchhiking

571
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:25,360
Sasquatch where they're like, come on, buddy, you want to ride? Yeah? Yeah,

572
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,000
and the and my son didn't laugh, And I said, what,

573
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,159
you know, why didn't you laugh? And he's like, he's like, oh,

574
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,559
you know, well, Dad, it's not founded in reality because

575
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,639
they're not real. So that's not funny. And I said,

576
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000
you're sixteen years old, are you're telling me you're that

577
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,360
jaded that you can't suspend even your belief in order

578
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000
to you know, find humor in that, you know, And

579
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,360
so I said, and besides, I said, how do you

580
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,800
know they're not real? You know? And just like I

581
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,599
was as a kid, right, I mean I read all

582
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,480
kinds of books and everything else. In fact, even when

583
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,039
I got you know, to you know, you know, when

584
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:05,199
I was in Arizona. I remember I went to I

585
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,760
went and saw thora hir Doll when he was on

586
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:16,440
his tour after completing Kantiki, before he did the raw

587
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:21,360
expedition across the ocean. So I you know, I got

588
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,239
to shake his hand, right, And and I also met

589
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,239
Charles Burlitz. I saw him speak about the Bermuda Triangle,

590
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,199
you know. And so I was always interested in inquisitive

591
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,960
and I read a lot, and I'm telling you a

592
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,960
lot I have. I have more books you can have.

593
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,639
My wife she's like, what are all these? I'm like,

594
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:47,280
no reference, reference books, I swear, yep, but no. So

595
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,079
so you know, we did a little research with, you know,

596
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,360
with my son. I got opened up the laptop and

597
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,519
I told him the story of from nineteen eighty two

598
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,559
and he said, come on, Dad in Arizona. And I said,

599
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:02,639
I don't know, maybe you know, and uh, you know,

600
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:07,639
first I googled Arizona Bigfoot and the first link that

601
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,079
came up was bfurro dot net. And we went out

602
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:15,639
and reread all the reports that had been logged from Arizona,

603
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,000
you know, and and he was still not convinced. And

604
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:23,920
then I saw link to the Ohio Howell And when

605
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,079
I played that, that was the second time in my

606
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,840
life that I had heard that. It certainly hasn't been

607
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,239
the last. But I'm telling you, he saw all the

608
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,719
hair stand up on my arm, because.

609
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 3: That's similar what happened to me. So I know the

610
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,880
feeling that I know, the exact feeling you had when

611
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,840
you heard the how how for the first time and

612
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,039
it matched what you had heard years ago. It's the

613
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:56,400
same thing happened to me. And I I think, I

614
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:03,599
think that failing was almost as dance is. Actually absolutely.

615
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:08,559
Speaker 4: Oh that auditory auditory memory is extremely powerful. The same

616
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,719
thing with the old factory memory. You know, having to

617
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,239
smell that suddenly takes you back. But so then he

618
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,960
was like, you know, he kind of said, well, maybe

619
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,559
there's something to this. And then I noticed, Hey, in

620
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,000
three weeks there's an expedition coming up in Arizona. And

621
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,719
in fact, I'll be uh one of the co hosts

622
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,880
for the expedition this year at the in about in

623
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:41,239
about three weeks, four weeks here in Arizona. But so, yeah,

624
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,360
so I said, let's I said, Hey, we'll sign up.

625
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,360
I said, look at this, it's four days, three nights.

626
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,039
You know, worst case scenario, you know, Uh, you and

627
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,960
I just get to spend some time out camping. And

628
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,719
I said, I said, and hang but hanging out with

629
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,760
a bunch of crazy people, right, And I said, or

630
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:05,400
or you know, maybe we'll learn something or maybe experience something.

631
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,960
And he's like, he's like, okay, you know, I'll do that, right.

632
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,360
So we signed up and we get up there and

633
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,719
Matt Moneymaker was one of the planners for the Arizona expedition,

634
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:25,679
and so that was that was interesting. And this was

635
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:28,760
of course before you know, finding Bigfoot or anything else

636
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,519
like that. I had no idea who this guy was.

637
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,960
But we get up there and the very first night

638
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,280
where we went to an area that had had a

639
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:46,079
an encounter about a week or ten days earlier up

640
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:50,480
on the Mogian Rim, and Matt stayed on that ridge

641
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,840
line and the group which was pretty large, I want

642
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,440
to probably say, you know, twenty eight five twenty eight people,

643
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,159
you know, And we split two groups and one group

644
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,880
went to the west down into the side canyon. The

645
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,960
other group went to the east, and Matt stayed on

646
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,119
that ridge line between the two canyons and he did

647
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:16,679
a howl there and from our position on the west side,

648
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:23,679
there was a reply back in two three seconds, a

649
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,519
howl comes back, ohioa howl type right from the north

650
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,039
and then and it was fairly loud, so it wasn't close,

651
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,280
but I'll say a mile away right, that's you know,

652
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,039
that's my guess. And then about two or three seconds

653
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:44,039
after that, from the northwest, maybe a little further, another

654
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:48,320
howl comes. And then about six seven seconds after that,

655
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,800
a howl comes from the southwest, and it's distant. It's

656
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,280
you know, I will say, you know, three miles or more,

657
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,800
you know, and play. I had that all recorded, right,

658
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:06,039
But I remember my my son's standing standing in the

659
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,920
dark holding onto my shoulder, you know, where we had

660
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,960
hiked down without flashlights, down into that you know, down

661
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:17,719
to the west side canyon. And I remember I thought

662
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,679
he was going to pop my shoulder out of it socket,

663
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:26,239
you know, heard that, right, and but uh yeah, so

664
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,760
it was uh and it was at that moment I said, okay,

665
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,760
I need to figure out you know, based on all

666
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,079
my curiosity, my reading, uh research, uh, my scientific approach

667
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:41,320
to really everything in my life, you know, including my work,

668
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,760
it I you know, I decided that's I got to

669
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,880
find out what it is, right. So I spent a

670
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,960
lot of times, like I said, I was, I did

671
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,199
so much hiking, backpacking, whatever it was. I and I

672
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,400
really was a good tracker at that point. I did

673
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:06,559
get some points from you know, a hunter that really

674
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,840
enhanced even my tracking skills, But I mean I found

675
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:14,760
I used to take groups out into the wilderness on

676
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,719
UH and put together like packets for them with the

677
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,880
Toppo maps and everything else, and we'd get, you know,

678
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,159
out there, and you know, and I would basically lead

679
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:28,519
a group of you know, twelve to fourteen people, you know,

680
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:32,400
on these hikes and remote areas. And at one time

681
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,039
I had somebody who was actually a very good hiker camper.

682
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,440
He took off early morning to go exploring, and well,

683
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,840
he didn't come back, and I ended up I ended

684
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,679
up tracking him a mile and a quarter uh and

685
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,440
then and then another quarter mile up a side canyon

686
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239
where I found him with a twisted ankle. Yeah, I

687
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,920
couldn't make it, but but you know, everybody was just like,

688
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,119
how did you find him? I'm like, I'm like, I

689
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,400
tracked them, and.

690
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 10: You know, I did what I do.

691
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,199
Speaker 4: And yeah, exactly exactly.

692
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: So and that's where you know, we talk about people

693
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:17,840
from different backgrounds and hunters. It there's a difference nowadays.

694
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,840
The way I grew up, we hunted. We had to

695
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,400
do what you're talking about, We had to do pay

696
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,920
attention to everything. Nowadays, I hear the term hunter and

697
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,239
I see these people, and I'm not hating on nobody

698
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,079
at all. A big cornfield, a big soy being filled,

699
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,400
a shooting house, you know, twenty yards off the road,

700
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,199
they slide in there before daylight. That's that's their hunting.

701
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,519
And being in the woods like you were being out

702
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:51,159
in the in nature. You learn a lot just by

703
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:55,519
being there and seeing and seeing animals do certain things

704
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:57,960
that maybe might not be in a book you've ever read.

705
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:05,079
And so some of these people our age when when

706
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,360
they when they just kind of mentioned that, you know,

707
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:12,519
pay attention to them because there's a there. There seemed

708
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:16,079
to be a whole lot more involved back in the day,

709
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:18,320
you know what I mean. But you had to know

710
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,599
certain things you had. And I'm not, like I said,

711
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:25,079
I'm not hating on anybody because, uh, you know, I'm

712
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,039
down in the hip and everything. Now, if I had

713
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:28,840
a place like at the Hunt, I'd be That's where

714
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,239
i'd be, you know. But uh, I've you know, I've

715
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,639
always thought that like a team you need, you need

716
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,880
you need the hunt the older hunter and the scientists

717
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,920
and this, and it was just people with different skills

718
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,800
and all. And I love the fact that, uh, I know,

719
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,079
like if I go with you. I could learn from you,

720
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:53,440
you know, if people love to pass the knowledge down.

721
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,440
So you sounded like sounds like you got into it

722
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,559
pretty hot and heavy and and and y'all that's what happens,

723
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,440
you know, Yeah, that's what happens.

724
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't I didn't ask for it. And

725
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,840
I'm telling you what. I kind of stayed in the

726
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,000
shadows for so many years, and then I finally said, no,

727
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,920
I need to really get out and talk about this,

728
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,400
and especially with just the volume of sightings that I've had,

729
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:26,159
which is thirteen and encounters in the hundreds, you know.

730
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: And so I wished I had the chart like class

731
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,440
A B and see in what he's talking about. A

732
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,880
class A is a sighting. B is what like finding

733
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,400
evidence or audio audio? Yeah, and I can't remember what

734
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,000
C is, but I saw that chart a couple of

735
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,320
weeks ago and it hit me. In just the past

736
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,519
six years of the places we've gone, we talk about

737
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:57,800
it like it's not nothing, but it's like, oh, yeah,

738
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,239
we got audio blah blah blah, and you know, like

739
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,119
ten years ago, I've been freaking out. Now it's like,

740
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,239
you know what it is, and uh, being around experienced

741
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,360
people helps. But if you're in chat or listen to

742
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,599
this tomorrow on you know, Spotify or whatever. I hear

743
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:20,039
this all the time, Carl, and you've probably heard it too. Well.

744
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,639
I don't want to talk about it. I just I

745
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,519
just heard one break of tree and then growl at

746
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,760
me and then run off. That's that's an encounter.

747
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,639
Speaker 4: That's a class B if you can rule.

748
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,519
Speaker 3: Out everything, if you go through and rule out mostly everything, Now,

749
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:40,199
the class A can be terrifying. What what was your

750
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,840
first so have you had? Have you had what's the

751
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,480
what's the the roller coaster? Have you had terrifying ones?

752
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,400
And okay ones or it?

753
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 4: You know? It was it was interesting. I had already

754
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,400
kind of learned a lot of their behavior, you know, uh,

755
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,480
you know, prior to my first sighting. But I had

756
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:06,360
built a bunch of audio recorders that I could hang

757
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,400
up remotely. So I had six of these things. And

758
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,760
I took my I took both my kids, my daughter

759
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,079
and my son and my nephew who was twelve, up

760
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,800
onto the Mogian Rim and we went into that area

761
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:27,920
and it was, you know, it was quite a great day.

762
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,000
We did a lot of hiking and it was just

763
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,480
you know, it was one of those days where you're

764
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:37,199
bonding with your kids and your nephew and we hung

765
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,199
up you know, remote recorders out in the woods in

766
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:49,639
different areas and the and the There was one area

767
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,239
where we were earlier, about probably three months earlier on

768
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,199
the twenty two thousand and nine BFO expedition, there had

769
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,840
been one that came up up this canyon, this steep

770
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:09,440
canyon where we were kind of stationed, and it it actually,

771
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,800
you know, I want to say, growled from the you know,

772
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,719
from the ridge line there, and you could hear it

773
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,480
moving and then and then finally I went over and

774
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,239
I did a tree knock on this big dead tree

775
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,119
that was standing there. And as I'm walking away from

776
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:33,039
that big tree, there was there was probably a seventy

777
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:37,360
five foot ponderosa pine that was shaken. So in the dark,

778
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:41,320
you know, you could see this this seventy five foot

779
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,880
tree just that you know, the crown of it just

780
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,440
moving like that. Yeah, and then it ran off and

781
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,480
you could hear run down the canyon, run down the

782
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:55,079
side of the canyon, and somewhere along the way it

783
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,800
knocked over or through a very large rock and it's

784
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,480
did like a stick of dynamite went off in the canyon.

785
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:07,639
And in fact, the other BFRO groups that were stationed elsewhere,

786
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:11,000
they said, they said, oh, did someone light off an

787
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:12,840
M E D Or what was that?

788
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: You know, It's but Carl, It's always something massive, you

789
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,599
know what I mean. It's never like did I have

790
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,639
farrecrker go off. It's like the biggest one you can

791
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,000
think of.

792
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:26,079
Speaker 4: It was kaboom, right and uh and uh so, so, uh,

793
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,119
you know, I had we were in that area, right

794
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,039
and and I had planned that evening we were going

795
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,800
to go back to that area and do knocking on

796
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,960
that that big dead tree. So we, uh, we get

797
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,920
out there and that evening, I cooked dinner, we watched

798
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,960
a movie in the car and the DVD player and

799
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,239
you know, and the kids were having fun. But then

800
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,079
my daughter wasn't feeling well. So when we drove out

801
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,559
to that location, my son's like, I'll just stay with

802
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:58,119
her in the car, and I said, okay, So so

803
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,239
they stayed back in the car and I hike. But

804
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,639
you know, we're hiked probably about seventies eighty feet from

805
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,400
the car to where that dead tree was that I

806
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,239
was going to do knocking from I had my night

807
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:16,559
scope monocular with and that and that monocular had did

808
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,239
have a little bit of amplification to it, you know.

809
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,119
Plus it had an IR light you know, off the top,

810
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:26,800
so night vision, right, and and I gave it to

811
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,159
my nephew. He thought that was the coolest thing ever. Right,

812
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,719
So he's looking through it. But I go up to

813
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,519
the dead tree. I did two knocks, and within five

814
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,920
seconds this whoop comes back. And I want to say,

815
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,480
it's maybe a quarter mile away just and so I

816
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,159
knocked back once and then and then, you know, my

817
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,320
nephew's like, you're going to knock again. I go, no,

818
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,000
We're just gonna wait, right, because I've always found that

819
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,320
less is more when you're out there, and you know,

820
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,400
I always hat that when it's like it's like, oh,

821
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:05,199
knock again, knock again, knock again, whoop, whoop. Hey, Carl,

822
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,280
you have a great voice, you know, do another howl,

823
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,079
you know, and I can. I can mimic their howls

824
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:14,599
pretty well. But so so we sat, you know, we

825
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:18,440
stood there in the dark and and waited about it

826
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:22,559
was probably twenty five thirty minutes, and and I did

827
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,559
another two knocks. And when I did that the whoop

828
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:29,119
instantly came back from the other side of the canyon,

829
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,199
so the same level we were at, but you know,

830
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:38,400
with the canyon in between us, right, And so I

831
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:41,239
my nephew whispers to me, are you going to knock

832
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,639
back again? And I go, it knows right where we are, ye, yeah,

833
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:49,320
And it wasn't. It was soon after that we heard.

834
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,760
I could hear rocks scrabble, you know, rocks kind of

835
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:58,039
you know coming, you know, something's coming down the other

836
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,440
side of the canyon into the bottom. And I could

837
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,880
hear a little splash in the creek. And then I

838
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,400
could hear brush movement down below us. And then and

839
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,280
then it kind of stopped. And my nephew is looking

840
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,639
through the night vision and he sees something lean out

841
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,039
from the brush, look duck back in. Lean out from

842
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,880
the brush, look back, duck back in. And I got

843
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,840
the scope and I could see, but it was just,

844
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,440
you know, almost like a shadow, right because it was

845
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:31,000
further down the hill. And then and then it stopped

846
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,679
doing that, and then I could hear it coming up closer.

847
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,880
I could hear small twigs and stuff. But that's why

848
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,400
I like calling him forest ninjas, because they're so they're

849
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,960
so quiet for their size.

850
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,599
Speaker 3: Well that that's the thing that's confusing Carled. A lot

851
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,599
of people will hear you say that or me say

852
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,920
that or whatever, and they're like, but but guys, you

853
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,239
just said, you know, one was seven to ten foot

854
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,920
tall and you know, around thousand pounds. How can something

855
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,199
be quiet? That's their job to be quiet, you know

856
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,800
what I mean. That's how if you're hunting for food

857
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:11,440
with with with animals that are quick. It's just like

858
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,360
Greg asked, have you ever seen one, uh move really fast?

859
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,000
Because you know, because we've seen that and Greg's got

860
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,639
natural just like unnaturally fast. Yeah, have you seen that?

861
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:32,519
Because that's to me interviewing people you know here and privately,

862
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,719
that's a mind twisting things too. To see something that

863
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,960
large move is is and the explosion is what gets

864
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,119
people that that first explosion that can you have a

865
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:48,360
story that's.

866
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 4: I absolutely do, But but I'll finish the ad.

867
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: I got a little excited. I'm sorry.

868
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it came up pretty close and then I

869
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,440
and then it was just watching us, but we couldn't

870
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,719
see it with the night vision, right. So then knowing

871
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,719
that they like to parallel us, right, I told my

872
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,119
I whispered to my nephew. I said, we'll just start

873
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,599
walking back to the car, and I said, and just

874
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,000
keep the scope down so the iire lights on the ground,

875
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,599
because by that point I had already kind of guessed

876
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:22,360
that they could see infrared light in that spectrum. And

877
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,519
so I said, we'll start walking back there. When I

878
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:27,239
tell you stop, just stop, and I'll listen to see

879
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,840
if it's following us. So we walk about twenty feet,

880
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,119
I said stop, and he stops dead and I hear

881
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:38,880
one extra footfall. So I'm like, okay. I said, you

882
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,119
remember when we when we were out here earlier, and

883
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:44,159
I showed you there was like no vegetation. You could

884
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,760
see all the way down to the creek bed down

885
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,880
below in the canyon. And he goes yeah. And I said,

886
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,480
when we get up to that area, I said, you know,

887
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,280
i'll tell you. I'll tell you if I hear something

888
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,480
in that area, I'll tell you now, and you just

889
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:03,480
spin around and look through the night vision scope and

890
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,960
he goes okay. So we walk by another thirty feet

891
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,519
and or another twenty feet, and we're in that area

892
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:16,360
above the gap, and I hear a twig snap and

893
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,480
I said, now, and he spins around. I didn't jump around,

894
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,119
you know, obviously I can't see anything right and I

895
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:29,480
don't have a scope. And he spins around and he says, Yep,

896
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,360
there it is.

897
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: Oh no.

898
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 4: His total time in the woods looking for Bigfoot at

899
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,480
night was fifty two minutes.

900
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:44,119
Speaker 3: But he had an experienced person, and you weren't setting

901
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,880
at home. You were out there with him exactly. Carl,

902
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,679
I've had an idea. I haven't got to do this yet.

903
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,079
I'm gonna put this out there for you and other

904
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:56,239
people in chat. So in that situation, let's say you've

905
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,519
got four people with you and the same exact things happening.

906
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:06,000
I've always wanted to try, if you ever get a chance,

907
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:11,639
which is rare, to have one designated person for everybody

908
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:15,840
to stop at the same time, and then three, three

909
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,840
or two of them take off, and one person say

910
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,239
stay still and see what happened, and see if they

911
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,679
can get a you know, a visual or something on

912
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,480
camera or even with not a without a camera, because

913
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:30,000
like you said, you know, if cayuties can see infra red,

914
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:34,400
then these things might can too. How yeah, Martin, that's

915
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,239
a good question. How how close was it.

916
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 4: Apartmently so so when when he's you know, and I

917
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,119
and I said, when he said, yep, there it is,

918
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,880
I said, what's it doing? And he said, it's looking

919
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,639
at me? And I said, I said, give me the

920
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:51,280
scope and he and he hands the scope to me

921
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,320
and I get it up to my eye just in

922
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:59,079
time to see her take one last step before going

923
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:03,119
behind a tree. And everybody says, how did you know

924
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:07,000
it was her? Well, you know, I saw it left

925
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:11,320
Brest profile. Yeah, but it was just one step and

926
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:15,320
boom she was behind this tree. But and and later

927
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,199
on I determined why she had done this. But the

928
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,320
hillside was so steep that when she went behind that tree,

929
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,760
she had to put her hand on the side of

930
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,239
the tree in order to hold herself up behind the tree.

931
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,840
And didn't realize that her arm from the elbow, you know,

932
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,519
from the elbow up to the hand was visible to us.

933
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,599
Now at that point, we were about thirty feet away

934
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:46,039
from this tree, okay.

935
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,559
Speaker 3: And that's ten yards, yes.

936
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:54,239
Speaker 4: Yes, and and and she kept that hand on the

937
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,159
side of the tree for about three minutes. It was

938
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:01,639
long enough that I asked the scope back and forth

939
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,239
between my nephew and myself but you could see the

940
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,920
light breeze. You could see the hair on the forearm

941
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,079
just gently moving, and I want to say it was

942
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:15,039
probably the hair on the forearm was probably about four

943
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,320
four and a half inches long, and hair on the

944
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:25,880
arm less, hair on the hand, and the fingers I

945
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,599
always say, were like ballpark franks. Okay, But but the

946
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,760
IR light was reflecting and like I said, there was

947
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,239
slight magnification on this scope too, which you know it was.

948
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:41,679
I was right there, right and and you could see

949
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:46,159
the you know, the fingernails were kind of cracked, but

950
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:49,280
the IR light was really reflecting off of the fingernails.

951
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,840
But you know, to me, it looked like a human hand, right,

952
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:59,000
except large. So and she kelloped it there for about

953
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,800
three minutes and then and eventually took the hand off.

954
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,920
And I could hear her step to her right a

955
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:10,159
little bit and into the deeper brush and the you know,

956
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,519
so I sat and then but I didn't hear any

957
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,400
further movements. So I actually sat down with my nephew.

958
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:19,079
I tried talking. I clacked some rocks, I did a

959
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:24,039
but you know, I sang a little bit actually, And

960
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:27,480
if you're wondering it was, it was Hermann Herman's Hermits

961
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:36,320
Henry the eighth. I was singing, so I am, yeah,

962
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:45,440
that my that ear yeah in the morning, but no response, right,

963
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,480
And then I started hearing on the hillside behind me.

964
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:52,119
I started hearing some twigs snapping or branches breaking and stuff,

965
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,000
and I and I was like, yeah, you know what,

966
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:58,320
my twelve year old nephew, my sister in law would

967
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,719
never forgive me if he was eating out here, so

968
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,639
maybe I'll head back to the car, right. So so

969
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:06,800
we got into the car and boy, did my nephew

970
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,559
just on cork, you know. He he was just you know,

971
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,360
because I said, what, so, what do you see? And

972
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,760
he said, well, I saw the face, you know. And

973
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,519
when I turned quickly and looked, you know, and I said, yep,

974
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:24,280
there it is it. She went like a surprised look

975
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,199
on her face. And then she turned around and rotated

976
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:32,280
her body to look behind her, like down the hillside,

977
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,840
like there's no way that they knew I was here,

978
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,800
you know, must have been something behind me that, you know,

979
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,480
and then turned back and that's when he said, it's

980
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:46,079
looking at me right, and uh and you know the

981
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:46,800
rest hold.

982
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 3: So you know, all of that's amazing but you pick

983
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,199
out certain certain things like that surprised look. That that

984
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,880
tells me a lot more mm hmm, Bret there. Uh,

985
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:05,880
you know, I looked up what what would an i

986
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:08,760
Q have to be for certain things? You know, I

987
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,159
was doing a little research, and you know, at bare

988
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:14,679
minimum on some of these stories we've heard, you know,

989
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:18,320
like a forty on the low end. And then I'm

990
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:20,559
you know, what what would it take for an animal

991
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:22,880
to know this or be able to do this? You know,

992
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,519
it's real, it's real interesting. I don't have it with me, uh,

993
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,280
but that's how my mind works, and that reaction of

994
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,039
surprise it is huge to me.

995
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,639
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely wow. Oh so so the next day

996
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,440
we went back to the site, you know, and we

997
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,400
looked at I looked on the bark to see if

998
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,440
there was any hairs and you know, and you could

999
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,239
see there was disturbance in the forest litter, but really

1000
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,039
no prints. There was a partial heel print down near

1001
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:55,679
the creek bed. But you know, Arizona's uh, you know,

1002
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,920
there's a lot of hard pan, right, so prints aren't

1003
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,719
to readily avail as much in Arizona. But uh, I

1004
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,480
did measure where the hand was. I had my son,

1005
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,840
you know, stand there and kind of put his hand

1006
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,280
on the tree, you know, to where it was until

1007
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,880
we both my nephew and I agree, yeah, that's where

1008
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,679
the hand was. And then uh and then I measured

1009
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:20,159
and that was sixty nine inches off the ground. So

1010
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,639
my reasoning was that was that you know, you would

1011
01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:27,599
probably put your hand about it shoulder level, right, you

1012
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:32,239
wouldn't be doing this. So that estimated she was probably

1013
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:37,039
about seven foot seven seven forward to seven seven range probably,

1014
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:42,480
but you know, she was. She was beefy and uh

1015
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,280
and well endowed at least from the left proost.

1016
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:48,679
Speaker 3: What an incredible experience. It's your first your first time,

1017
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:50,880
and then his, but you have somebody to talk to

1018
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,360
about it, you know. Oh yeah, and when you get back,

1019
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:55,760
you just point to Hans to tell him what we saw.

1020
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, and he yeah. But but he

1021
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:02,719
after that, he got to thinking about it more, you know,

1022
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,880
and decided so he doesn't do a whole lot of

1023
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:11,159
uh night camping in in Arizona anymore. But uh uh,

1024
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,199
he's you know, he's he's kind of signed off from that.

1025
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,159
Speaker 3: But well, Carl my son told me, he said, he

1026
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:20,679
goes with me and we've had some crazy stuff happened,

1027
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:23,360
and at times he said, I'm not doing that again,

1028
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,760
but he said, I just want to see one one

1029
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,840
time really good and then I'm done with all this.

1030
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:32,679
That's but yeah, so but see, there you go. It

1031
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,119
changes people people's lives. He won't go camping at night, right,

1032
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,320
And but to me, I'm proud of both of you

1033
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,840
for having that experience together. At least, you know, had

1034
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,280
somebody to talk to.

1035
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 8: So did it not freaking freaking out and exactly well

1036
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:52,400
causing a scene or you know?

1037
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:56,039
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh yeah, has he cool head?

1038
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,039
Speaker 8: I should say?

1039
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,639
Speaker 3: Does he keep quiet about it? Or does he talk

1040
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:00,440
about it around you?

1041
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:03,119
Speaker 4: He does, he doesn't. Yeah, he knows, he knows what

1042
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:06,239
happened that night, but he doesn't really talk about it much.

1043
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,480
And yeah, he just kind of keeps that to himself.

1044
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:12,239
He may have gone back and told some of his

1045
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,800
friends and they said, you're nuts, you know, but.

1046
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,039
Speaker 3: We all been there, yeah, we all.

1047
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,559
Speaker 4: But yeah, in that same in that same canyon for

1048
01:04:22,679 --> 01:04:25,119
my second siding, which is the one where I saw

1049
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:31,280
one daytime uh it you know, Uh, I was hiking

1050
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,360
into the canyon and I kept hearing what I thought

1051
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:41,679
was what I thought was a woodpecker. Okay initially uh.

1052
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,400
And then at one point I actually could tell that

1053
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,239
it was like rock on rock right. But not only that,

1054
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,760
but the woodpecker was following me at a distance but

1055
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,079
keeping an eye on me. And I was like, I

1056
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,760
was like, oh man, this is you know. And but

1057
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,440
I get down into the meadow and I start walking

1058
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:08,400
up the meadow downstream in the canyon, and and the

1059
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:14,840
the the woodpecker got more uh quicker, and a lot

1060
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:21,360
more uh little these plaques. And then finally daytime, kub boom,

1061
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:25,960
this huge tree knock behind me up on the ridge line,

1062
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:30,559
and up in front of me suddenly the brush just

1063
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,199
erupted and it was and there was movement, and and

1064
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:36,960
you know, something ran up the hill through the brush.

1065
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,039
I couldn't see what it was, but up the hillside

1066
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:45,079
they went up uphill. Uh and uh. By the time

1067
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:49,480
I got up to that area, I found three bedding

1068
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:53,880
areas where this Douglas fir had been literally ripped apart,

1069
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:57,519
and and there was boughs down. But there was three

1070
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:02,199
distinct bedding areas there which kind of matched the you know,

1071
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:07,079
the motion up the hillside. I think that's an encounter

1072
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,199
would definitely qualified, yes, And I hiked further down the

1073
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:15,760
canyon because another researcher had been up there. Now, this

1074
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,760
area gets closed throughout winter, so November to May typically

1075
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,840
from snow deep snow, it's inaccessible. And they actually closed

1076
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,440
all the roads into that into that area on the rim,

1077
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:33,000
and and they went up on day one. They opened

1078
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,880
it up on a Monday, I believe, and the other

1079
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:42,039
researcher went up there and they ended up finding baby prints,

1080
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:45,199
so many baby prints. There was probably like fifty or

1081
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:50,360
sixty baby prints all over in snow melt, right, and

1082
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:51,760
it was still think it was.

1083
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 9: The same individual or was it like multiple different ones

1084
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:54,800
or something.

1085
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 4: It looked like it could have been one or two maybe,

1086
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:04,360
but they were seven inch prints barefoot, and uh, they're

1087
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,400
they're incredible. In fact, that the neatest one was it

1088
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,559
actually did a toe slide down as it stepped, so

1089
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,159
it had weight right it went into the mud, but

1090
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:18,199
it sunk in probably a good four inches into the

1091
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,320
mud in the in this runoff, right, and it's snow

1092
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,920
melt run off. I mean, who lets their kids run

1093
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,760
around barefoot in forty degree weather?

1094
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:28,079
Speaker 9: You know?

1095
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:30,039
Speaker 3: Did you see the pictures of that.

1096
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:34,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, oh no, I've held them uh in it.

1097
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:35,599
But but the funny thing was is.

1098
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: That did they did they cast the one that slid?

1099
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,199
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I have my picture of it.

1100
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this. When it slid, did

1101
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:46,840
it dig in with its toes like cup its toes?

1102
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:53,079
Speaker 4: It yep? At the bottom yep, yep? And but it

1103
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,960
was it was so I went up there to go

1104
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:58,039
take a look at those, right, that was the whole

1105
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:00,760
reason I was in there. So I it was a Wednesday,

1106
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:04,280
So two days later I'm up there, right. And when

1107
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,519
I got up to that area, I couldn't find those prints, right.

1108
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,559
I don't know if the other prints that they didn't cast, right,

1109
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:16,199
they cast two or three of them, but you know,

1110
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:18,880
and here I am hiking with this big backpack of

1111
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:21,720
casting material. I had enough casting material I probably could

1112
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,760
have cast about twenty of them. And ready, oh I

1113
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,159
came ready. So you know, I did find a few

1114
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:34,800
impressions that I thought, you know, probably you know, were

1115
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:39,640
like maybe parental guidance over that area, but they weren't

1116
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,079
really that castable. And so I started hiking back out

1117
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:48,239
up you know, upstream, up up the canyon, and and

1118
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:52,039
I hacked a little ways and I could hear something

1119
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:54,840
on the ridge line, you know, a couple of snaps

1120
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,800
and twigs and stuff like that. And I was like,

1121
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,079
oh my god. You know, so there was one that

1122
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:04,119
was a lookout. Right, the family unit was sleeping, this

1123
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:08,680
is my assumption, right, was sleeping in that bedding area,

1124
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,159
and the you know, the lookout was following me, like

1125
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:15,479
where's this guy going? What's he doing? So they were

1126
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,640
watching me the whole time, right, and on the way

1127
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,840
back out, it was watching me again. And and I

1128
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,199
got to the area in this canyon where I couldn't

1129
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:28,119
remember if I went to the left or the right,

1130
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,800
but I had tagged, you know, dropped a pin on

1131
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,840
my vehicle. So I get out my GPS and I'm

1132
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,800
looking down at the you know, where which direction do

1133
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,960
I need to go to get to the car? And

1134
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,600
I hear some leave rustle up on the rim and

1135
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,159
I look up and I just caught a glimpse, just

1136
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:50,920
a half a second of something running incredibly fast and

1137
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,199
in behind some brush and I and at that time,

1138
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,880
I was like, okay, here's my reasoning. You know, if

1139
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,600
it was an elk or a deer, they probably would

1140
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:06,119
have kept bounding right. And but if it's if it

1141
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,439
was the bigfoot watching me, it's probably still watching me

1142
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,800
from that brush. So I take my pack off, I

1143
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,560
look down, I get my camera out. Actually I've got

1144
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,800
my SLR camera in my hand right, and I turn

1145
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,439
and I take like three steps towards the base of

1146
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,479
that the canyon wall right there, you know, the slope

1147
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,600
up the canyon. And at that point, it comes bursting

1148
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,840
out of that brush and runs basically from south to

1149
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,880
north along the ridgeline there. Now by this time, it's

1150
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,760
about one thirty one five in the afternoon, and the

1151
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:49,600
sun is right behind it, and orange, you know, reddish

1152
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,359
brown hair, not matted and clustered like a lot of people,

1153
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,560
you know, would say, just like I saw on the

1154
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:02,359
forearm right, very very fluid and natural waving hair kind

1155
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:08,439
of hair, yeah, wispy, not not fur righty. And but

1156
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,000
it ran, It came out of there, just like a

1157
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:16,760
shotgun out of that and but ran along that ridge line,

1158
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:21,399
backlit by the by the sun. Uh you know, but

1159
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,640
of course there's trees on the ridge line, so you know,

1160
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,960
I saw it here. I saw it here, you know,

1161
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,760
you know what I'm saying. As it ran in between

1162
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,640
those trees along the ridge line. But you know, the

1163
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,920
full run that I saw was maybe three seconds, right,

1164
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,159
And as it ran, and I'm talking as smooth as glass, right,

1165
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:43,600
not not bounding like like we do. You know, it's hair.

1166
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,159
And I always liked telling people it was like a

1167
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:49,199
LORI l commercial the way the hair, the way the

1168
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:53,600
hair flowed on it. Just oh yeah, absolutely it was.

1169
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:57,239
And I was like, I was like, and I was

1170
01:11:57,319 --> 01:11:59,800
I was stunned, right, And and the funny thing was

1171
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,319
is this run was like three seconds, right. The first

1172
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:09,000
two seconds was me going because it was easily eight

1173
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,600
foot tall, right, yeah, and super just massive, right, And

1174
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,000
and as it ran, you know, it took me two

1175
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:22,600
seconds to regain my composure and I brought my camera

1176
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,399
up and by that time it was gone. I mean

1177
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,159
it was that fastest, that quick and and you and

1178
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,239
you were ready and I was ready.

1179
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:32,520
Speaker 3: You thought you were ready.

1180
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,520
Speaker 4: I was ready. I thought I was ready.

1181
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,039
Speaker 3: Right. And there's a good question here, Carl, and I

1182
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,840
kind of wanted to ask it too, because I think

1183
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,720
I know the answer. But so all this time and

1184
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:52,760
all this study you've done, do you think that some

1185
01:12:52,920 --> 01:13:01,720
people have something that either they it draws these things

1186
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:08,479
or or you know, because when you tell people how

1187
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,359
many you've seen, you know, if I tell that or

1188
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:15,359
Amanda does, and people, oh, that's crazy, but do you

1189
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,479
do you have a feeling one way or another if

1190
01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:21,359
some of us and I don't like the word tagged,

1191
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,000
I just I like the word. I like to think

1192
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,159
about it as a calmer energy, knowing that we're not

1193
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:32,880
going there to hurt them. Absolutely, you think it's something

1194
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:33,239
like that.

1195
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,560
Speaker 4: Absolutely. You know. I'm the kind of guy that goes

1196
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,640
to a party and somebody says, oh, my dog doesn't

1197
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,199
like people or whatever, and the dog's up on my

1198
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:46,520
lap and say, yeah, you know, and you know, or

1199
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,359
or oh, my cat always hides, he doesn't get in alsen,

1200
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:54,159
this cat's out, you know, hi, you know. And it's

1201
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:56,239
really funny though, you know, a lot of times we

1202
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:58,880
went out researching, especially when I when I was still

1203
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,359
kind of strictly following, Oh, go out and do a howl,

1204
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,640
do two knocks here, do some whoops, and you know,

1205
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:10,399
and a lot of activity like that. I you know,

1206
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,119
and then I kind of went from that to just

1207
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,000
kind of being there right and and the moment I

1208
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:22,439
started doing that more, I you know, I'll put it

1209
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,319
this way, since twenty thirteen, I haven't had any rocks

1210
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:30,039
or sticks thrown at me, okay, which prior to that,

1211
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,479
you know, I would get that a lot, right, And

1212
01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:36,319
you know, the worst one was I was by myself

1213
01:14:37,079 --> 01:14:40,439
investigating this area and I have I and it was

1214
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,600
a cave. There was a big cave structure there. This

1215
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,199
is on the Mogian Rim as well. And I went

1216
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,039
and it was interesting because there had been a big

1217
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:55,760
rain maybe two days prior. But I found where something

1218
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:03,359
had taken a sandstone rock smack above the cave and

1219
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:07,279
the small fine particles of the sandstone rock were still there.

1220
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,479
But it took a piece of that sandstone rock and

1221
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,880
then was scribbled with it on the rock, which you know,

1222
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,439
a little artistic project, right, And I knew that it

1223
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,760
was it was it had happened recently, right because just

1224
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,640
because of the fine particles hadn't been walked off that rock.

1225
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,119
But then probably about fifteen minutes later, I find this

1226
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:33,720
sixteen inch print and it's you know, for Arizona. It

1227
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,319
was just like, oh my gosh, you know, you can

1228
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:39,560
see all five toes, you know, it's about fifteen by

1229
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,680
six inch print, you know, just absolutely classic, right, And

1230
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,800
I'm like, I'm going to cast this thing right, So

1231
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,479
I put down on my pack, I get out of

1232
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,560
tape measure, I'm taking photos of it, and you know,

1233
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:57,239
doing all the all of that work. And this is

1234
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,920
you know, before you could have a three D scan

1235
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:04,279
or on your phone, right, and which I encourage everyone

1236
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:07,960
to do that because that even if you do cast

1237
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,439
it right, you want to have all that additional detail

1238
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:16,399
before that's ruined by the casting and the u And

1239
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,399
I'm down on my hands and knees right in an

1240
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,920
extremely prone position with my head down facing the ground,

1241
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,359
and from the cave area which was above me, but

1242
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:33,399
about one hundred and twenty feet away, this rock comes

1243
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:38,359
flying down and it's big. It's probably like a twenty

1244
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:44,680
twenty pound rock. And it comes flying down and about

1245
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,640
thirty forty feet away from me to the one side,

1246
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:50,560
and I hear it go simp right, and of course

1247
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,840
that wakes me immediately up. I look over and I

1248
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:59,119
see the rock kind of bouncing, you know, down the hillside.

1249
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,359
But my brain draws a line from its trajectory up

1250
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,039
the hillside, right, and I don't see anything up above

1251
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:08,960
the hill, but you know, the rock kind of crested

1252
01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:14,039
right there. So but I'm like, I'm out of here.

1253
01:17:14,079 --> 01:17:18,079
I get the message, right, and I packed everything up

1254
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:20,319
and I high tailed it out of there. But because

1255
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,359
I was by myself, I mean, it could have easily

1256
01:17:22,399 --> 01:17:25,840
beamed me. And and just seeing some of their other

1257
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,720
hunting techniques over time, I've seen turkey kills that were

1258
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:35,359
killed with a rock, and you know, so they're pretty accurate, right,

1259
01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:38,439
so if if they're not beaming you in the head

1260
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,920
with it, it's meant to scare you off, right. So

1261
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,119
but twenty thirteen, I was helping out on the on

1262
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:51,439
the Arizona Bfarro expedition and and I had gotten up

1263
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,479
there late, so Mike, I pitched my tent right near

1264
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,399
the edge of the woods and here I am. You know.

1265
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,960
We did our evening outing with BFRO style and I

1266
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,319
get back to my tent. I had a big air

1267
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:12,239
mattress with a headboard. Well, this was still in May.

1268
01:18:12,319 --> 01:18:18,800
It was actually a Mother's Day weekend twenty thirteen, and

1269
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:21,720
I went to bed, but it got really cold. It

1270
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,920
cut down to the low twenties that night, and so

1271
01:18:27,159 --> 01:18:29,079
what I ended up doing was putting on a ball

1272
01:18:29,119 --> 01:18:32,640
cap kind of resting my head on the headboard of

1273
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,279
the air mattress and then putting a towel over my face,

1274
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:38,920
with the brim of the ball cap keeping it off

1275
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,359
my face, so my ears weren't freezing at night, right,

1276
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:46,079
so I could kind of keep my face warm. And

1277
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,520
it was close to three am. I wake up and

1278
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,680
not really and I must have had my head up

1279
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:58,800
against the side of the tent. I wake up three am,

1280
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,479
and I realized that I am bent at the waist,

1281
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:08,039
so my body has been has been lifted off of

1282
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:12,199
so my shoulders aren't on the air mattress anymore. And

1283
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:15,199
and I can feel something holding the back of my head,

1284
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,039
just completely cupping my head. And and as I kind

1285
01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:24,359
of was like, well, woke up and was kind of what, like,

1286
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:28,640
what's going on? I moving a little bit, it just

1287
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,279
gently let me down. And and as it did, you

1288
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:37,039
could hear dermal ridges on the nylon of the tent goes,

1289
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,279
and then I could hear a bipedal running off into

1290
01:19:41,279 --> 01:19:45,119
the woods. And of course, you know, most people by

1291
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:47,920
this time, I probably you know, I probably would have

1292
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,479
been in there going right. No, you know, not me.

1293
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,239
I'm I'm going over and unzipping the window on my

1294
01:19:53,319 --> 01:19:56,359
tent so I can get a good look outside, right,

1295
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,199
And I couldn't see anything, but I could hear it still,

1296
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,760
you know, heading off into the woods. And you know,

1297
01:20:07,239 --> 01:20:11,680
and honestly, it was after that point in twenty thirteen

1298
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,880
that that I mean, I go anywhere in the country.

1299
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,560
So my job takes me on a lot of trips traveling.

1300
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,319
In fact, I wish I had been big footing back

1301
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:22,279
in nineteen ninety eight, because I spent a lot of

1302
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:25,319
time in and around the Nashville area, up in Bowling Green,

1303
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:33,039
you know, even Kingsport, Tennessee, and it was you know,

1304
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:36,680
but you know, in the evenings when I'm there for work,

1305
01:20:37,079 --> 01:20:41,119
I'm typically out in the woods, right. So and pre COVID,

1306
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,600
I was traveling every single week, so i'd be I'd

1307
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,079
be in an area a lot. And so I was

1308
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:52,239
logging maybe two hundred, two hundred and twenty nights in

1309
01:20:52,279 --> 01:20:57,159
the woods on these business trips, right. And it was,

1310
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:00,920
you know, so a lot of people they think, oh,

1311
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,000
Carl went into the woods and oh he saw one.

1312
01:21:03,079 --> 01:21:04,760
Oh he went into the woods the next day he

1313
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,520
saw one, you know, And it's like no, no, no, no, no,

1314
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,439
I was out in the woods seven hundred and fifty days,

1315
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,079
you know, you know, and I did a lot of

1316
01:21:13,119 --> 01:21:16,159
research and you know, you know, used a lot of

1317
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:19,439
techniques and planning. Okay, this is most likely the area

1318
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,640
they're going to be in, and you know, and then

1319
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,119
find evidence and then keep going back to that area,

1320
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:28,399
you know, and boom, you know, suddenly you're experiencing it. Right.

1321
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,920
In fact, I even had I even had somebody once

1322
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:33,359
contact me and ask me. They're like, they're like, are

1323
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:35,439
there are there any near my house? And I'm like,

1324
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,319
where are you? Well, I'm in central Michigan, I whatever,

1325
01:21:38,359 --> 01:21:40,399
you know. I said, well give me the town, you know,

1326
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,199
And so I did that, and I looked at everything,

1327
01:21:42,199 --> 01:21:44,680
and I said, okay, you know what they're they're probably

1328
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,640
transiting from from this area over to this area, and

1329
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:52,000
they're using this creek bed. So I said, they're probably

1330
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,119
you know, you know, down in the creek bed. They're

1331
01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:58,640
probably well hidden at night especially, And I said, so

1332
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,760
I said, I would go to where this road crosses

1333
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,079
that creek and look underneath there. The guy calls me

1334
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:09,159
up the next day. He's like he's like, there was

1335
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:12,600
three incredible prints down below that bridge, He goes, are

1336
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,399
you sure you've never been here? And I'm like, you know,

1337
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:19,920
so just using my formula, you know, it certainly helps

1338
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,680
that I've developed over the years, so.

1339
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 3: And and and y'all. It's similar. It's similar to deer Hunton.

1340
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,840
It's similar to just think about it. Think about it.

1341
01:22:29,079 --> 01:22:30,960
If if you broke out of jail and you wanted

1342
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,039
to stay here, that's all you gotta do. Oh yeah,

1343
01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:37,039
And if there's water source and food sources that are

1344
01:22:37,079 --> 01:22:41,760
separated a little bit, they find that line and.

1345
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:47,520
Speaker 4: Their strategic intelligence is incredible. I mean, I was gonna say,

1346
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,079
some of the audio that I've recorded, I actually could

1347
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,079
you could hear elk coming up the canyon. And I

1348
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:56,239
had a recorder on two sides of the canyon, and

1349
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:01,800
you know, and I noted the directional microscope, microscopes, microphones

1350
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,920
which which direction they were pointing, right, yeah, And so

1351
01:23:05,159 --> 01:23:07,279
I could I had direction and everything, so I could

1352
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:10,000
actually track where these elk were coming up the canyon.

1353
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,760
And then you could actually hear on the one side

1354
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,840
of the canyon you could hear a whistle, and then

1355
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,640
on the other side of the canyon a whistle, right,

1356
01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:23,239
and then you could hear the elk getting closer and

1357
01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:26,520
then and then you could hear a rock clack, you know,

1358
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,760
and it was just like I was like, oh my god,

1359
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:33,039
they're communicating across just like you know, if you were

1360
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:36,119
a Navy seal or a ranger, right, you got a clicker,

1361
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,880
you know, and you're like, yeah, you know, okay, all right,

1362
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,600
ready on two, we're going to go.

1363
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 7: You know.

1364
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 3: But I see, that's what I didn't expect, Carl. I mean,

1365
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,560
I had no prior knowledge of what they could be.

1366
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,560
And learning to me, this has been the best part.

1367
01:23:54,319 --> 01:23:57,399
And it gives you a little gives me a little

1368
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:03,159
comfort in the woods now because I'll I'll speak to them.

1369
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,000
I mean i'll you know, I'll show them I don't

1370
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:12,119
have anything in my hands. Uh. And you're right, been

1371
01:24:12,199 --> 01:24:15,800
through the same thing, not as many times, but where

1372
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:21,359
I was, we weren't welcome. And now that we've evolved

1373
01:24:21,399 --> 01:24:25,359
in our thinking and knowledge and advice from people, it's

1374
01:24:25,359 --> 01:24:28,640
gotten a whole lot better. It's like, oh, you know,

1375
01:24:29,359 --> 01:24:32,079
it's hard to explain, but it's a feeling a lot.

1376
01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 4: Of times, right. And what I always tell everybody, I'm like,

1377
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:39,720
they're people, right, They're not apes, right. They're they're people.

1378
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,319
They're like another tribe of us, right, and and uh,

1379
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,479
respect their their home, right. I mean, if somebody comes

1380
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,359
into your living room and starts, you know, having a

1381
01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:53,960
big kegger in your living room, right, you better you know,

1382
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,920
you know, show a little respect, you know. And uh,

1383
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:02,920
I've I've talked to them in English and you know.

1384
01:25:03,079 --> 01:25:05,520
And the one time, I mean, I before I climbed

1385
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,399
into my into my car to go to sleep, I

1386
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,520
you know, and it's a Yukon Excel, so it's got

1387
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,439
big you know windows near the back. And just before

1388
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,159
I climbed in, and and all evening while my friend

1389
01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:19,960
and I were sitting around the campfire, I could feel

1390
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,479
that we were being watched, right, And so when I

1391
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,279
went to go get in the car, I looked up

1392
01:25:25,279 --> 01:25:27,600
at the hillside where I above us, and I said,

1393
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,359
I said, I would love it if you could come

1394
01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:32,720
down here and put a handprint on my car, you know.

1395
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,079
So here I am, I climb into the car, I

1396
01:25:35,119 --> 01:25:39,520
go to sleep. Right. So so about three in the morning,

1397
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:43,239
I wake up and as I stirred my my fit bit,

1398
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,479
you know, which has like a green biometric laser or

1399
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,880
whatever on the underside of it light. It lights up

1400
01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:54,479
as I moved, and it illuminated the inside of the cabin.

1401
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:59,800
And here's this face right at the window looking in

1402
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:04,159
it me and and I'm telling you it was it

1403
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:07,520
was you know, you know, I was I'll say, fourteen

1404
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,640
to sixteen inches away from my face, right, so just

1405
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,720
looking straight in the straight in the eyes. And as

1406
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:19,239
as the light illuminated everything and illuminated its face, it

1407
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:23,159
backed off into the darkness until it just kind of disappeared, right.

1408
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 3: Didn't show show any emotion or surprise or just.

1409
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 4: No, no, just had just was like this and then

1410
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,920
went just backed out. You know. So everybody always asked

1411
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,600
me about teeth. I no, mouth was it was like

1412
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,439
the lips were just straight lined. But you know, I

1413
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,199
propped up on my elbow and I looked out the

1414
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:45,159
window trying to see, you know, do I see any

1415
01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:47,520
movement in the trees and the you know, because you know,

1416
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,159
once once the milky ways up, even if there's no

1417
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:55,279
moon in Arizona, it's boy, it's bright. And uh didn't

1418
01:26:55,279 --> 01:26:58,520
see anything, right, So I ended up eventually going back

1419
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,279
to sleep, and I wake up five point fifteen in

1420
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:05,439
the morning pre dawn light and here's this handprint right

1421
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,920
where the face had been in the window. And the

1422
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,800
handprint was fourteen inches from the tip of the pinky

1423
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:12,960
down to the base of the thumb.

1424
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:14,239
Speaker 8: Oh wow.

1425
01:27:14,279 --> 01:27:19,079
Speaker 4: So you can imagine that size and that and the

1426
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:21,800
tip of the pinky the very top. I can't think

1427
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,800
of the whatever is it not distal flange whatever? The tip?

1428
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,279
Speaker 3: You can make up a word. No, I believeyeah.

1429
01:27:29,399 --> 01:27:32,520
Speaker 4: Anyway, the very very tip of the pinky was inchine

1430
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,319
inch in a quarter white.

1431
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:35,119
Speaker 3: Wow.

1432
01:27:36,359 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 4: But you could see the but you could actually see

1433
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,359
some of the dermal ridges and stuff. But the interesting

1434
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:43,479
thing was is that it had gotten so cold out

1435
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:48,000
that night that that the handprint was only visible because

1436
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:51,039
of the condensation on the inside of the car. And

1437
01:27:51,079 --> 01:27:53,920
the handprint had left oils on the outside of the

1438
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,159
car that insulated that section that part of the hand

1439
01:27:58,319 --> 01:28:01,840
right or where the handprint had been left, so it

1440
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,159
was like an inside out handprint on the outside of

1441
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:07,600
the car. He couldn't really see the handprint, right, And

1442
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,800
my friend comes. I go and wake up my friend.

1443
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,079
He comes, he gets out of his suburban. He comes over.

1444
01:28:13,119 --> 01:28:14,840
He's look and he's like, oh my god, I can't

1445
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,399
believe the size of that and you know, and then

1446
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,479
we checked his car and on the hood of his

1447
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,279
car was also a handprint, but in the dust on

1448
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:29,600
the in the center of the hood and and in

1449
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,439
that handprint. It was interesting because the our palms right

1450
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,880
have a cup in the center and right where right

1451
01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:39,800
in the center it was less less prints, but you

1452
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,640
could could really see the dermal ridges and the you know,

1453
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,199
wines and everything else from the handprint. Not only that,

1454
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:49,720
but along the edge of the hand and at the

1455
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,800
wrist there was wisps of hair that that left an

1456
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:58,920
impression in the dust. Right, So that picture is awesome.

1457
01:28:59,039 --> 01:29:00,359
It's got you know.

1458
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:04,079
Speaker 3: Matt White, Well, Uh, are you opposed to a part

1459
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:05,439
two with pictures? Sometimes?

1460
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,279
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely absolutely can we can do that.

1461
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,199
Speaker 3: We've had people asking that would I'd love to see

1462
01:29:11,319 --> 01:29:14,920
them myself and show everybody, and.

1463
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've got a lot of stuff also on

1464
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:24,640
the website ghost hunting Theories dot com. Uh, and and

1465
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,920
a lot of that is actually my first six sightings

1466
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,720
are all documented there where I've gone back and detailed, measured,

1467
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,479
did everything else, uh that you're supposed to do and

1468
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:39,520
uh and then uh, a lot of my research uh

1469
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,720
with a lot of my research it that I did

1470
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:48,239
in the Chicago suburbs and out in Long Island where

1471
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:50,279
I actually found them in Long Island. Now I didn't

1472
01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:52,359
get to see one there, but I was close a

1473
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,760
couple of times. But uh, super interesting. And I see

1474
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:57,600
skiddery add a question about mind speak.

1475
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's yeah, that's that's that's been waiting to plug

1476
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,840
it into the conversation.

1477
01:30:03,039 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 3: But as going, yeah, that's a scary, scary question to

1478
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,640
ask people when you're new at this. But the more

1479
01:30:11,319 --> 01:30:13,760
I've been involved in things and talk to people I

1480
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,560
know personally like blood can uh, now, I'd like to

1481
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,399
hear about this because to see if it's similar.

1482
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,359
Speaker 4: Now, I mean, I was totally flesh and blood camp,

1483
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:30,359
you know, and I'm still am, you know, because I

1484
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:36,079
actually did collect a blood sample and it's been in

1485
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:40,079
storage quite a few years, but it's currently being tested

1486
01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:42,960
at labs right now where they're going to do a

1487
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,920
full genome workup and full treat so as far as

1488
01:30:49,359 --> 01:30:53,479
hair colors, I, et cetera. So I think that's going

1489
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,800
to be extremely revealing. But we can look for those

1490
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,840
results in in sasquatch legend meet science too. That's uh,

1491
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:03,800
I knew it.

1492
01:31:04,279 --> 01:31:08,399
Speaker 3: I knew I didn't I didn't know it. But yeah,

1493
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,159
I've heard see when certain people talk about that, they

1494
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,880
don't mention names, and I'm like, oh, this sounds familiar.

1495
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah that was me. That was me. But

1496
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,119
but yeah, when I collected the blood sample, though, I

1497
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,239
was with my kids and we had I went. I

1498
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:29,640
had found a nest, uh, probably about three weeks earlier.

1499
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:32,239
So when I took my kids up there that next time,

1500
01:31:32,279 --> 01:31:34,039
I took them up over to the nest to show

1501
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:37,199
them how it was constructed and how this was broken

1502
01:31:37,239 --> 01:31:39,119
off and so forth. And when we got up there,

1503
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:44,359
there was Yeah, I saw a print in the forest litter,

1504
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,439
and I started following it, and you know, and kind

1505
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,880
of using the you know, the method. Okay, well where

1506
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,640
would the next might the next print be? Right? So

1507
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:57,399
it turns out sixty five inches away there's another disturbance

1508
01:31:57,399 --> 01:32:00,119
in the forest litter, and and we ended up following

1509
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:05,720
that a quarter mile up up down down the side canyon,

1510
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,560
up this other canyon, up to where there was an

1511
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,279
overlook of this lake. And we get up there and

1512
01:32:12,319 --> 01:32:15,880
there's a three foot wide butt print on this rock

1513
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,520
ledge and where it had sat down on a couple

1514
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:23,399
of very small ponderosa pine seedlings, and those ceilings were

1515
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:28,199
just starting to go, just starting to straighten back out again.

1516
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:31,800
But yeah, the grass that was on there too, was

1517
01:32:32,039 --> 01:32:34,159
just just barely starting to rebound.

1518
01:32:34,199 --> 01:32:34,319
Speaker 7: Right.

1519
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,399
Speaker 4: So I'm taking a picture and I'm starting to measure

1520
01:32:36,399 --> 01:32:41,359
this butt print, and and my daughter says, Dad, is

1521
01:32:41,359 --> 01:32:46,640
this blood well on the ground below this rock ledge

1522
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,640
where it had sat down. There's all these blood droplets

1523
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,640
all over the place, And the best part was that

1524
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,760
it was just starting to coagulate.

1525
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 10: Non super fresh.

1526
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,199
Speaker 4: And by this time I was already carrying her friends

1527
01:33:00,199 --> 01:33:03,239
a kit with me and everything. So it's like I

1528
01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:05,520
collected all of it as much as I could, and

1529
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,560
you know, even the stuff that was on rocks. And

1530
01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:10,239
but later on I went back and I looked at

1531
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:12,600
the photos I took of the trackway that was, like

1532
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,640
I said, a quarter mile long, and only the left

1533
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:21,039
foot impressions had a There was a dark spot or

1534
01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:25,600
bleme it blemish in those left foot things. So my

1535
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,920
my assumption is that you know, it had a cut

1536
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,000
in its left foot, got up to the top of

1537
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,520
the hill just like you or I, Right, what would

1538
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,199
we do? Oh, I'm going to sit down and take

1539
01:33:34,199 --> 01:33:36,800
a look at this cut on my foot, right, Yeah,

1540
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,199
and uh, and that's why the blood droplets were kind

1541
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:41,680
of spread over in areas as it moved its leg.

1542
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:47,199
But so anyway, so that was that was fantastic. But

1543
01:33:47,319 --> 01:33:50,439
I'll get I wasn't ignoring the mind speak things, right,

1544
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:56,000
So that's blood right. So fast forward to twenty nineteen.

1545
01:33:56,399 --> 01:34:00,920
I'm I'm. I was doing research because I was doing

1546
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,880
a lot of work in Saint Louis area, so I

1547
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,920
would I would go over to Alton, Illinois and southern

1548
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,119
Illinois and do a lot of research over there. So

1549
01:34:11,239 --> 01:34:13,199
I picked out a couple of areas that I thought

1550
01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:18,239
were fit. My you know, my, you know, I think

1551
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:20,720
they're in this area, so I will go, I'll go there.

1552
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,439
But twenty nineteen there was a lot of flooding on

1553
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:29,439
the Mississippi River and Alton was inundated. In fact, some

1554
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:31,359
of those nights I actually went to I just went

1555
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:34,560
to Alton and helped fill sandbags. So I got off work,

1556
01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:38,600
drove over there from Saint Louis and filled sand bags

1557
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,840
until about eleven or twelve o'clock and then drove back

1558
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,560
to the hotel. Right, so finally I got I had

1559
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,479
the opportunity. I'm like, I'm going to I have to

1560
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,359
look at these two areas because I think they're just

1561
01:34:48,399 --> 01:34:51,520
too good, you know, to to not go research. So

1562
01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:54,720
I get over to that area and and sure enough,

1563
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,760
there's there's too much flooding in that in the area

1564
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,920
that I wanted to go into these woods and look at.

1565
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,920
And I couldn't get The road going in was flooded.

1566
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:08,359
And I didn't think Avis would appreciate if I, you know,

1567
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,600
stranded their vehicle down at the bottom in the woods.

1568
01:35:13,079 --> 01:35:16,760
So so I drove around trying to find another alternate

1569
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,640
way to get into those woods, and I get so

1570
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,640
finally there was no way to get in there. So

1571
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,560
I pulled off on the side of the highway. Now

1572
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,319
the highway was empty, there was no there was no

1573
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:30,840
cars coming or going north or southbound, and I ended

1574
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,560
up I just parked there and I get out, and

1575
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,000
I'm thinking to myself, I'll do one whoop. Maybe I'll

1576
01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:39,239
just do one whoop to see if they're there, right,

1577
01:35:39,279 --> 01:35:40,960
And then I thought, you know what, this is a

1578
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,880
really good chance, based on everything else I've talked with

1579
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,880
people about. I'll try an experiment, right, and if it

1580
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:51,760
doesn't work, it doesn't work, right, So I just stand

1581
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,520
on this. I got out of the car. I stand

1582
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,399
on the side of the road, and I only thought

1583
01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:00,760
to myself, didn't say a word, just stood there in

1584
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,399
the silence, and I thought to myself, if you're in

1585
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:08,920
these woods, could you please knock? And it was it

1586
01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:13,880
was within thirty seconds crack, this knock comes out of

1587
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:20,840
the woods. And and I thought to myself, thank you, right,

1588
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,439
And in my head I hear the words go in peace,

1589
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:31,800
oh wow, give me carl, right, and and I and

1590
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,319
I just raised my hand and I waved in case

1591
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:35,760
they could see me on the side of the road,

1592
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,920
and I and I got back in the car. So

1593
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,880
then I'm like, okay, let's let me let me get

1594
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,199
over to you know, research area number two. Right, So

1595
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:50,279
I get over to the second research area and same thing.

1596
01:36:50,319 --> 01:36:52,600
I cannot get into that area. There's just too much water.

1597
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:56,199
In fact, this one is it's like a marsh swamp.

1598
01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:00,279
It's there's so much water in this area. And so

1599
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:04,319
I'm like, well, you know, to apply science, right, you know,

1600
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:08,039
try to make it repeatable, right, So I parkside of

1601
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:10,439
the road. I get out. I'm standing there, and I

1602
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,760
just thought to myself, if you're in these, if you're

1603
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:19,000
in there, could you please knock? And almost instantly I

1604
01:37:19,399 --> 01:37:25,600
hear something bipedal sloshing through water and it then it

1605
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,760
strikes a tree. Now whether or not it was a

1606
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,800
water logged stick or or just a hand slapping it,

1607
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,079
but it was still close enough that you could hear

1608
01:37:36,279 --> 01:37:39,279
when it hit the tree. I could hear water droplets

1609
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,399
sprain and hitting hitting the you know, the other water

1610
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:49,199
on the ground. And this time I thought to myself,

1611
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,920
what are you doing in there? Right? And then in

1612
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,199
my head I hear the words catching frogs.

1613
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:58,359
Speaker 8: Oh how cool?

1614
01:37:59,279 --> 01:38:04,319
Speaker 4: And totally I was like wow, wow, And then I thought,

1615
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:06,159
you know what, I'm going to apply what I learned

1616
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:09,279
the last time. So I thought to myself, go in peace.

1617
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:12,399
And then I went and got in the car and

1618
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,279
I drove back up to Olton and I went and

1619
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:15,079
they had a beer.

1620
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. After that, I was like that, and I

1621
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:25,119
appreciate you sharing because I started doing that and and

1622
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:29,840
I've been told by some friends, uh, to do that.

1623
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,760
I haven't had it. I haven't done that yet, though, Like,

1624
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,279
if you're there, to do this, I've it's like when

1625
01:38:35,319 --> 01:38:39,359
we start arriving, like we're here, this is what we're doing.

1626
01:38:40,119 --> 01:38:42,119
If you want to leave or whatever, We're not here

1627
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:45,199
to hurt you, harm you or whatever. I haven't tried that,

1628
01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:47,039
but my I don't know if you heard me tell

1629
01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:49,119
the story about my son. And by the way, y'all,

1630
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,760
I talked him into coming on next week so we

1631
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,399
can kind to kind of go through where he was

1632
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,800
at with this. And when I finally told him about

1633
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,920
my experience years ago and the things that we've experienced

1634
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,359
together and some things he's had happened while we weren't there,

1635
01:39:03,399 --> 01:39:06,520
but one of them, Carl, is the reason I started

1636
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:11,640
thinking about this seriously. He had, I'll make it quick.

1637
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,520
He was about to take a dough. He was laying

1638
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,800
on the ground middle of nowhere. I mean, we have

1639
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,520
to hike in, you know, we go and something started

1640
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,920
pounding the ground. He didn't know whether it was pounding

1641
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:23,479
the ground he could feel it or it was like

1642
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:27,279
a chest but it was two pounds just hitting the

1643
01:39:27,279 --> 01:39:29,680
ground and it was vibrating and he was laying on

1644
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:34,760
his stomach and he said, Daddy, is the weirdest thing ever.

1645
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,800
He said, I turned around and I thought, I'm fixing

1646
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,399
to see one in big SOB standing behind me. He

1647
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,680
was panicking and he turned around and looked and it

1648
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,840
wasn't there. Who He's relieved, but it's still pounding. It stops,

1649
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,720
and he said, I heard in my head, don't shoot,

1650
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:56,199
I'm here. I said, what'd you do? He said, I

1651
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:59,199
jumped off up on the ground and took off to

1652
01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:03,359
the truck. Because he's as far as he's had a

1653
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:06,399
few things happen to him that might be considered paranormalist.

1654
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:11,479
You know, one is really bad, but he hasn't talked

1655
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,840
about like tons of stuff. For him to say that,

1656
01:40:17,159 --> 01:40:19,119
you know, I had to take him for his word

1657
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:22,039
because he doesn't exaggerate. And I'm like, and it didn't

1658
01:40:22,079 --> 01:40:25,760
say yeah. I asked him a few questions. I'm like,

1659
01:40:26,319 --> 01:40:28,960
he said no, I didn't think, don't shoot, he's here.

1660
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:33,479
It says, don't shoot, I'm here. And so, you know,

1661
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:38,600
you hear people when when they use the word mind speak.

1662
01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:42,720
It kind of turns some people away because they they

1663
01:40:44,199 --> 01:40:48,720
rejected or whatever. But when you get to looking in

1664
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,520
some of these programs that's been happening, and some of

1665
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,560
these countries have been trying to figure out the brain

1666
01:40:55,079 --> 01:40:58,359
and if things can happen, you know, whether it's remote

1667
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:02,239
viewing or I've practiced that myself with a buddy two

1668
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:07,279
counties over, and it's scary sometimes how close my drawing

1669
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:10,079
is to what he's thinking, you know. You know, so

1670
01:41:10,199 --> 01:41:13,720
I don't know what there is to that, But I

1671
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:15,760
don't know if you have to be a certain you know,

1672
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,239
brain type. I don't know blood type. You know. I

1673
01:41:20,319 --> 01:41:22,920
think we talked about that one night, you know. Uh,

1674
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:31,680
but I've I've changed my thoughts because the people I

1675
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,600
know and talking to people like you, and this is

1676
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:36,960
what I started this to do, is get more information.

1677
01:41:37,399 --> 01:41:42,520
And I appreciate you sharing that because y'all. For Carl

1678
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:47,560
to say that just now publicly on air, people watching

1679
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,920
from all over the world, Uh, he knows, he knows

1680
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,960
what there's going to be some people, flesh and blood

1681
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,399
people with all Carl's crazy. But you're you're would like

1682
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,560
minded folks. So I mean, I really appreciate you. Uh

1683
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:01,000
tell that story.

1684
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 4: Well, and I've even tried it one another time. Right,

1685
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,119
But like I said, you know, I spoke in English, right,

1686
01:42:08,199 --> 01:42:11,399
and it left the handprint right, you know, so obviously

1687
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:12,079
understood me.

1688
01:42:12,279 --> 01:42:13,079
Speaker 3: Right, yeah.

1689
01:42:13,359 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 4: And and then the I was at my cousin's farm

1690
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,800
in southern Illinois where that I kind of kicked this

1691
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:25,760
whole thing off with. And and in twenty thirteen, i'd

1692
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,960
been there and that evening, when I was staying at

1693
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,800
one of their cabins on the property, one came up

1694
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:36,720
onto the onto the porch of the cabin, you know,

1695
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:41,000
and ended up blocking out the the light. You could

1696
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:44,760
see it was, you know, a large figure, but there

1697
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:46,159
was like a I want to say, like a bed

1698
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:49,479
sheet curtain on that front window of the cabin. And

1699
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,000
then it went over. It tried the door knob, which

1700
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,119
I thought was interesting, and then it went and it

1701
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:56,560
walked around. And this was like two in the two

1702
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,479
in the morning. It walked around the backside of the cabin,

1703
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,199
which is just full of brush and everything else, so

1704
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,680
just crack crack. I could hear it coming up the

1705
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,239
backside of the cabin. And the window behind the bed

1706
01:43:09,359 --> 01:43:12,479
was not didn't have a curtain on it, right, and

1707
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:16,000
I could see the shadow on the bed. But I

1708
01:43:16,039 --> 01:43:20,000
just laid there because I was just like okay, you know,

1709
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:24,600
like like we've had a visitor, right. And so in

1710
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:28,239
twenty twenty three, I'm on the farm again and I'm

1711
01:43:28,279 --> 01:43:31,119
staying in the same cabin and I'm hoping, oh, I'll

1712
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:33,800
get a visitor this time. But this time, I you know,

1713
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:39,079
I'm I'm more prepared for that, right So I so

1714
01:43:39,159 --> 01:43:41,880
I'm all, you know, I'm all excited to get to

1715
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:46,600
bed that for that night. And I get and nobody visited, right,

1716
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,600
So I was like, ah, So I start walking from

1717
01:43:50,359 --> 01:43:53,720
the cabin down to the farmhouse down this there's like

1718
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:57,159
a dirt you know, trail leading from there, and I'm

1719
01:43:57,159 --> 01:44:00,439
heading down there to go get some breakfast, and and

1720
01:44:01,399 --> 01:44:04,359
and I was thinking, I was walking along, thinking I

1721
01:44:04,399 --> 01:44:06,880
was just how disappointed I was I didn't get a visitor.

1722
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,119
And then I looked up because their property has large

1723
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:14,199
bluffs with just totally forested. It's about nine hundred and

1724
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:19,199
sixty acres, so large property, large farm and the but

1725
01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:21,840
there's a lot of it has has big bluffs along

1726
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:25,760
the Illinois River there, and I kind of looked up

1727
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:30,159
towards the bluff, which is, like I said, densely forested

1728
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:36,760
and just beautiful morning, absolutely still no breeze. And I

1729
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,720
looked up the hill at the bluff and I thought

1730
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:46,760
to myself. I wonder if I'm being watched. And the

1731
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:54,319
moment I said that, this one single tree goes and shakes,

1732
01:44:56,039 --> 01:44:59,039
and I was stunned. And then I kind of laughed

1733
01:44:59,039 --> 01:45:01,760
and chuckled, and I went like this, like, oh, come on, guys,

1734
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:05,720
like you know, and I walked about ten steps and

1735
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,600
I stopped again, and I thought to myself, do that again,

1736
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,479
and instantly that one tree goes and I only thinking right,

1737
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,000
and then I laughed. I laughed out loud, you know,

1738
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:19,760
and I said, I'm gonna go grab some breakfast. I'll

1739
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:20,520
see you guys later.

1740
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:27,359
Speaker 3: Well that's that's that's actually pretty cool. Yeah that that.

1741
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:30,319
I mean, you seem like a chill guy anyway from

1742
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:37,920
from birth probably, And I wish I wish people could

1743
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:42,279
hear you talk that maybe have seen one of these things,

1744
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,720
you know, a roadside of crossing or whatever, and they're scared.

1745
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,520
Uh And and you know, I've got friends that had

1746
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,119
terrifying experiences, but they've never been hurt. They thought they

1747
01:45:54,119 --> 01:45:58,199
were going to be. And I know several of them

1748
01:45:58,199 --> 01:46:01,880
that have tried some things that you're you're saying, and

1749
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,359
it by admission out of their mouth, it said, seems

1750
01:46:05,399 --> 01:46:06,319
like things got better.

1751
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:07,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1752
01:46:07,279 --> 01:46:09,359
Speaker 3: So if that's one thing, If that's one thing we

1753
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:13,640
can take from this, is to try to communicate, even

1754
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,239
if you don't believe it. Do like Carl, do it

1755
01:46:17,279 --> 01:46:20,960
ten times, repeat it and see if it happens, you know.

1756
01:46:21,079 --> 01:46:23,239
And and the thing is, it's it's like going to

1757
01:46:23,239 --> 01:46:25,319
a farm pond. You don't know, they may not be there.

1758
01:46:25,359 --> 01:46:27,560
So if you don't get a result the first time,

1759
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:29,439
go a thousand more times like Carl does.

1760
01:46:30,319 --> 01:46:32,359
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know, And and when I'm in the

1761
01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:36,000
Arizona Wilderness, I mean I've had I've been stalked by

1762
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,600
a mountain lion once that you know, and that was

1763
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,159
enough to you know, to have me carry every time, right,

1764
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:45,399
And but you know, the very first time I was there,

1765
01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:47,840
somebody said, oh, you'll never see one if you carry,

1766
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:51,279
you can't carry, And I said, I said no. I

1767
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,439
was like, they know it's not for them, right, And

1768
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,319
you know, and it's like in most and black bears,

1769
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:02,439
Arizona's loaded them. I think that populations estimated between ten

1770
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,800
and fifteen thousand. But and we have jaguars as well,

1771
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:10,600
so add that to the mix. But the uh, you know,

1772
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:15,119
I've probably seen about thirty black bear over time, and

1773
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:16,960
and I want to say twenty nine of them ran

1774
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:21,199
away like chickens right, just you know, human and took

1775
01:47:21,239 --> 01:47:24,880
off right. But it was that one that stood up

1776
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:30,279
and growled at me and wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't vacate the

1777
01:47:30,319 --> 01:47:34,560
prem area. That and at that point I was not

1778
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:38,920
carrying and that and that I carried ever since that point,

1779
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:41,319
because it only takes one bear, right yep.

1780
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:45,359
Speaker 3: And and you know when I first started filming on

1781
01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:48,319
my other channel and just showing people where we were,

1782
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:53,000
where we were at, you know, I started filming one

1783
01:47:53,079 --> 01:47:57,359
day and I slid a raffle over, had to sling

1784
01:47:57,399 --> 01:48:00,800
on and and I said, look, I know what some

1785
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,560
of you are thinking. You're going to get on to

1786
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:06,359
me because of this, But you're the exact ones that

1787
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:09,680
say they know your intentions. If they know my intentions,

1788
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,079
we're good. This is for these things that like to

1789
01:48:12,119 --> 01:48:15,239
bite folks. And I don't want like you said, I

1790
01:48:15,239 --> 01:48:18,439
don't want to I've seen seventeen mountain lions that's nineteen

1791
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,079
eighty eight here and they're not.

1792
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 4: Supposed to be here.

1793
01:48:24,319 --> 01:48:26,319
Speaker 3: Well, the only reason I've seen them that many times

1794
01:48:26,359 --> 01:48:28,840
they had dens on my mom dad's farm back in

1795
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:31,760
the day and they were raising so it's not like

1796
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,760
I've seen them in different parts of the county, which

1797
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:40,119
I have, and we My sister sent tracks pictures sometime

1798
01:48:40,199 --> 01:48:42,560
this past week said is this a dog or a cat?

1799
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:46,000
And I'm like, definitely a large cat. Where are you at?

1800
01:48:46,079 --> 01:48:48,000
And she told me. I'm like, and I'm like, why

1801
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,520
nobody listens to me? You know, I told you to

1802
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,520
stay away. Well we found a bunch of skulls. I'm like, exactly,

1803
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:57,920
stay away from the place. There's a cave over there

1804
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,000
and they're living over there. Stay away from the place.

1805
01:49:00,079 --> 01:49:03,079
But anyway, yeah, man.

1806
01:49:03,159 --> 01:49:05,520
Speaker 4: Well yeah, well there was And the one time I

1807
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,960
was I'm big footing right now, but I was by

1808
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,560
myself and I I'm hiking down this trail and I

1809
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,119
look off the side and I see this pile of

1810
01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:14,600
hair and I'm like, what is that? Look at that?

1811
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:16,560
You know? So I get down. I'm looking at this

1812
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,239
hair and I'm examining it closely and like I'm going

1813
01:49:19,239 --> 01:49:22,119
to collect it all and and I and as I'm

1814
01:49:22,119 --> 01:49:24,199
looking at it, I go, it's tan. It's got a

1815
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:26,560
little bit of a whitish tip to it. And I'm

1816
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,800
looking at this thing, and then I suddenly it dawns.

1817
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:30,800
I mean, as I'm in the prone position on the

1818
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:37,760
ground right, it's a mountain lion hair ball. I'm telling

1819
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,920
you what. I jumped up so fast and started looking around,

1820
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,800
you know, and and but I did bag it. I

1821
01:49:44,079 --> 01:49:46,319
think I still have it in my collection here. But

1822
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:47,800
it's it's kind of funny.

1823
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,159
Speaker 3: But I like those moments of sheer terror when you

1824
01:49:51,279 --> 01:49:53,000
know you're playing with fire, you know what I mean,

1825
01:49:53,039 --> 01:49:58,760
It's like, wait a minute, yeah, I start looking like, yeah.

1826
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:02,159
Speaker 10: Too close to the comfort but fatal air.

1827
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting close to two hours. Oh okay, would

1828
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,399
you would would you come back sometime?

1829
01:50:09,159 --> 01:50:10,039
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely?

1830
01:50:11,359 --> 01:50:15,039
Speaker 3: I love this. This is uh. I love talking to everybody.

1831
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:18,920
But the experience that you bring and the calmness that

1832
01:50:19,039 --> 01:50:22,079
you bring, UH think it. I think it's good for

1833
01:50:22,119 --> 01:50:22,600
all of us.

1834
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:23,119
Speaker 10: Well.

1835
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 4: And it's really funny. I mean, when I'm out in

1836
01:50:25,039 --> 01:50:28,760
the woods I am, I mean, you know, I saw

1837
01:50:29,399 --> 01:50:33,399
a male daytime, one hundred and twenty hundred or one

1838
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,199
hundred and twenty feet away from me, digging at the

1839
01:50:36,199 --> 01:50:39,279
base of a tree, and he and he looked up

1840
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:44,920
and our eyes locked right and and and then he

1841
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:49,239
erupted from this squatting position, took one step and was

1842
01:50:49,319 --> 01:50:52,119
into the into the brush. Right. But of course as

1843
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:54,520
he jumped up, and I always tell people, I'm like,

1844
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:57,399
they're like, describe the face. I'm like, dark gray skin,

1845
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:01,479
you know, large eyes that were I didn't notice any

1846
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:04,720
whites of the eyes, right. And but you know I

1847
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,479
said the dark gray skin was consistent on its body

1848
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:11,680
because as it jumped, as he jumped up, you know it,

1849
01:51:12,119 --> 01:51:14,840
I can verify that they do not circumcise.

1850
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:19,199
Speaker 3: That's too, that's still a little too close for a comfort.

1851
01:51:19,239 --> 01:51:23,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but yeah, when I'm telling you,

1852
01:51:23,039 --> 01:51:25,199
you know, when you see something that looks like a

1853
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:29,479
stump squatch, right, and it just it unfurls to an

1854
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:33,960
eight foot tall massive bean and then takes one step

1855
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,560
into the woods, just like a shotgun.

1856
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 3: And no, you you were you you were your experience.

1857
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,119
But you know, I talked to a kid he's like

1858
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:45,640
twenty eight now, fourteen years ago. He had something similar

1859
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,319
happen here like two miles from my house. And when

1860
01:51:48,319 --> 01:51:51,319
he pulled up, uh, he looked over and saw something

1861
01:51:51,359 --> 01:51:54,039
beside his tree stand, and as he turned the key

1862
01:51:54,119 --> 01:51:57,359
off on the four wheeler, he just like you said it,

1863
01:51:57,359 --> 01:52:00,640
it stood up and he said he didn't know what

1864
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:03,000
to think. He knew what it was. He didn't believe

1865
01:52:03,039 --> 01:52:03,359
in him.

1866
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:05,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's right here.

1867
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,560
Speaker 3: And he had had black eyes and all that. But anyway,

1868
01:52:09,319 --> 01:52:13,039
it's always it's fun to listen to the season to

1869
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:16,479
people because you're learning. But I like listening to the

1870
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:19,479
ones that were non believers, and it's like, oh crap,

1871
01:52:20,079 --> 01:52:21,720
you know now what I do? You know?

1872
01:52:22,039 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 4: Right? So, you know, I tell that people all the time.

1873
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,520
I said, always keep an open mind, right, And like

1874
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,680
if I if I hadn't talked to a lot of

1875
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,840
people who had had mind speak or well not even

1876
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,560
mind speak, but you know where they said, oh I

1877
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:38,079
only thought something and something happened, you know. And then

1878
01:52:38,279 --> 01:52:40,600
it's like, well, you know what, I'm going to deploy this, right,

1879
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,319
This was the data point i'd held, even though I didn't.

1880
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,199
I was never in that camp at all. Right, And

1881
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:50,479
all of a sudden, I'm like, they're absolutely correct. I

1882
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:51,479
can't believe this, you know.

1883
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:55,640
Speaker 3: I mean, well, I'll tell people this, You'll find out

1884
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:58,960
the story next week. But after my son and I

1885
01:52:59,079 --> 01:53:01,239
was surprised that one and it comes to our hunting

1886
01:53:01,279 --> 01:53:06,680
spot sometimes not all the time we spooked him, I

1887
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:10,319
was being quiet and we usually walk out and being loud,

1888
01:53:10,359 --> 01:53:13,279
and so we don't do that. And when he turned

1889
01:53:13,319 --> 01:53:16,000
around and huffed, growled at us, and I knew what

1890
01:53:16,039 --> 01:53:19,079
it was. It's forty yards away on the dark hill side,

1891
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:23,239
you know. I threw my hands up and I'm like, hey,

1892
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:25,800
we're leaving. We're you can have the place for a

1893
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:30,239
few days, enjoy or whatever. And my son's like, man,

1894
01:53:30,399 --> 01:53:32,600
you know, don't even scare me anymore. Well, the next

1895
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:37,039
time he went in, he was waiting on him on

1896
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:40,800
the other ridge. And I feel like it would thought

1897
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:45,319
I would be there because I started leaving signs and stuff.

1898
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:49,039
And so I feel like, even though we don't have

1899
01:53:50,359 --> 01:53:53,039
access three hundred and sixty five days a year, in

1900
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:56,960
just like three months out of the year. Now we

1901
01:53:57,079 --> 01:53:59,760
got a rock thrown at us in twenty twenty, and

1902
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,000
now it's reached the point now where something is leaving

1903
01:54:03,079 --> 01:54:07,319
us obvious things in the trail. We go in one way,

1904
01:54:07,399 --> 01:54:11,560
go out the other, and I feel like, you know,

1905
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,199
every time and unless we get something and we have

1906
01:54:14,279 --> 01:54:17,880
to change it up. But I feel like the relationship

1907
01:54:18,119 --> 01:54:23,159
has there's a little trust there. I don't know why,

1908
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:25,359
you know, so yeah, thank you.

1909
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,119
Speaker 4: And the funny thing is that it follows me. You know,

1910
01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:31,359
it doesn't matter what state I'm in, right, I can

1911
01:54:31,399 --> 01:54:33,239
go to a band new research area and all of

1912
01:54:33,239 --> 01:54:36,079
a sudden they're like, oh, like we know you or

1913
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:38,880
we trust you, and well it's.

1914
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 3: Think about this, Carl, think about this. If you can say,

1915
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:46,439
if you're over there, make a knock for me, then

1916
01:54:46,479 --> 01:54:49,199
when you're walking in not thinking anything, it may know

1917
01:54:49,239 --> 01:54:53,000
what your attitude is, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1918
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:56,920
so that's that's kind of where I'm leaning towards. When

1919
01:54:56,920 --> 01:55:01,079
I hear all these people tell these stories. Uh, it's funny.

1920
01:55:01,079 --> 01:55:03,079
It's like the friends thing. Once they know you know

1921
01:55:03,159 --> 01:55:07,720
you they know you know. Once they know you know, uh,

1922
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,520
it seems to get a little better. But everybody still

1923
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,800
be careful though. I don't want you to go up

1924
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,319
and try to hug one and then something happened on it. Yeah,

1925
01:55:16,399 --> 01:55:17,399
then they calling me up.

1926
01:55:18,199 --> 01:55:21,039
Speaker 4: Well, and it's and and I've actually heard them laugh.

1927
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:25,439
That was the that was the best. And you know,

1928
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,079
so they have a sense of I mean, if they

1929
01:55:27,079 --> 01:55:29,159
have a humor and they can make you know, have

1930
01:55:29,359 --> 01:55:33,880
a reaction like right, you know, you know, I mean

1931
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:37,439
they're us, right, They're just big and big and hairy

1932
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,399
and uh you know, like I said, just respect them

1933
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:41,479
and they'll respect you.

1934
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:45,159
Speaker 3: And and humans can be so horrible to each other.

1935
01:55:45,479 --> 01:55:48,560
I don't blame them from hiding. I mean I don't

1936
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:52,720
not at all. And I think I think once we

1937
01:55:53,319 --> 01:55:57,319
understand that part of it too, they may either feel

1938
01:55:57,359 --> 01:56:02,000
the energy or can read our energy, you know. So yeah,

1939
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:06,000
I agree, all right, all right, thank you sir? Uh ben,

1940
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:07,960
this is great at a blast?

1941
01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah me too. And yes, yes like.

1942
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:17,319
Speaker 3: That shirt, yeap, Yes, it's amazing, y'all. Uh, if you've

1943
01:56:17,359 --> 01:56:19,439
watched all of the people come from all over the

1944
01:56:19,439 --> 01:56:22,239
country with the soccer and and how much they they

1945
01:56:22,319 --> 01:56:24,479
love this country and they've been lied to by their

1946
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:28,199
media over there, which they say in their videos, and

1947
01:56:28,319 --> 01:56:32,199
they appreciate our country more than we do. And you

1948
01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:34,920
need to watch some of those videos and it'll change

1949
01:56:35,039 --> 01:56:36,680
your attitude a little bit.

1950
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:41,479
Speaker 4: So who would have thought that Ranch dressing was an ambassador?

1951
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:47,960
Speaker 3: I would have you. I like Rench dressing and BUCkies

1952
01:56:48,039 --> 01:56:49,119
and waffle House.

1953
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 8: Ye yes, videos, it's been fantastic.

1954
01:56:54,079 --> 01:56:56,359
Speaker 3: My thing is though, I want them to all go

1955
01:56:56,439 --> 01:56:59,319
home and wait and tell us what their weight was

1956
01:56:59,359 --> 01:57:04,920
before they came. Yeah, all right, y'all, thank you all.

1957
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:05,720
I appreciate it.

1958
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 4: Thanks everybody.

1959
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 3: Yep, everybody, y'all. Good night, Happy July the fourth, celebrate.

1960
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,119
Keep all your fingers, like I say, down here in

1961
01:57:16,119 --> 01:57:21,239
the south try and yeah, just be careful and uh

1962
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:25,359
big love like Greg says. And we'll see y'all next

1963
01:57:25,359 --> 01:57:26,000
Thursday night.

1964
01:57:26,439 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 2: All right, down in the pines, where the water runs back,

1965
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,720
where the mall sangs low and the night leans back,

1966
01:57:48,319 --> 01:57:52,239
the stores must about a shadow, tall, big feet moving

1967
01:57:52,319 --> 01:57:53,680
where the moon lad fall.

1968
01:57:54,239 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 6: Some say it be some said ghost in the trees.

1969
01:57:57,279 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 2: Some say it trouble blowing in with the breede. But

1970
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:03,319
around here, man, we know the call, and we just

1971
01:58:03,399 --> 01:58:08,600
call him friends. The squatching holler, so.

1972
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 5: Live that, and the cat tell sick in the nine.

1973
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:17,399
Speaker 6: Birth time copperheads wed in here, George.

1974
01:58:17,439 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 1: The fall that ain't no wind, and it ain't.

1975
01:58:20,439 --> 01:58:23,479
Speaker 5: No no when the creek girl's cold, and the shadows

1976
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:27,760
getting taller. Yeah, you're crossing in the squatting thee the.

1977
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,159
Speaker 3: Just walk getting a brave man fud.

1978
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 4: But I mind your staffing and squatching.

1979
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 6: How boody tell me stories about their thing sauce to

1980
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:56,800
ten foot high with a tomb.

1981
01:58:56,880 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 2: But y'all red eyes burning like a summer least try

1982
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:04,359
and think enough to swallow your soul. But the old

1983
01:59:04,439 --> 01:59:07,720
folks laugh, saying, don't you fear if grid has been

1984
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:11,159
living here for hundreds of years, treat them we respect.

1985
01:59:11,279 --> 01:59:13,359
Speaker 4: When the moon gets smaller.

1986
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:17,279
Speaker 5: And they'll let you live in squatch and holler, sold

1987
01:59:17,399 --> 01:59:18,039
that fire.

1988
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:20,319
Speaker 6: Let the swamp drum roll.

1989
01:59:20,439 --> 01:59:23,319
Speaker 4: You can hear that be slip down in your soul.

1990
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 2: If you hear a drum from the river, call it

1991
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,000
ain't no boat.

1992
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:31,279
Speaker 5: Brought balking that lord, little swamp runner steal and the

1993
01:59:31,399 --> 01:59:35,880
crickers get salty. Y'all lit alone and spotting hollow weather

1994
01:59:36,039 --> 01:59:39,479
bay by ties and the fools off cob give me

1995
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:41,760
watching on that spotting holler.

1996
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:15,119
Speaker 6: Some say gods it old pine ridge.

1997
02:00:15,319 --> 02:00:19,199
Speaker 2: Some say he walks from bridge to bridge warm. Thanks

1998
02:00:19,279 --> 02:00:23,439
show when the night comes down, something big still calls

1999
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:27,960
it screamed, So bank that fire.

2000
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:32,159
Speaker 5: Let the night get deep at the windows wins for while.

2001
02:00:32,039 --> 02:00:33,319
Speaker 3: The cuts up creeps.

2002
02:00:33,399 --> 02:00:35,239
Speaker 6: If you catch us glimpse.

2003
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:37,760
Speaker 2: Through the midnight, holler, just now your head.

2004
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:40,800
Speaker 5: Don't scream and holler them because the wild on spree

2005
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:44,079
and the legends getting taller and wherever it runs in

2006
02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:48,680
squatching Holly, we ain't scared, but we shore stayed cautious

2007
02:00:48,760 --> 02:01:06,000
down in the dog out, that squatching holler, the the bat,

2008
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:07,199
the b