Speaker 1: Welcome to Squatching Holler.
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Speaker 5: Are too Squatching hollow Where the legends are born?
Speaker 4: Are they here?
Speaker 2: Are they gone?
Speaker 4: Who can say? In the Holler the truth?
Speaker 1: Just I wish.
Speaker 2: Huge footprints fade where the creek runs them a lantern sways.
Speaker 4: Let the search peak in rustling waves. But there's no
one near.
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stories are told? Swatching how where the legends are going?
Speaker 4: Are they Are they gone?
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Speaker 7: And now with your Squatching Holler, hosts Roger Williams, Amanda
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Speaker 4: And now the show.
Speaker 3: This is Jeremiah Biron from Bigford Society, and you're listening
to Squatch and Holler, So get ready because it's a
good time, all right, the way to bring us in.
Uh hey, Amanda, everybody in chat chat Rock and Rolling
calls backstage. Uh I fat thumbed the text and told
him eight o'clock and he's a trooper. Uh Carl, if
you're back back there and you can hear us, we're
gonna take a few minutes. We're gonna do a segment here. Uh. First,
I want to say, y'all, y'all all all, I have
seen Jeremiah's posts and stuff about his health, just you know,
continue to pray for him, and you know, maybe maybe
he can figure out, you know, what caused this and
how they can beat it and everything. But for you
that don't know, just just go. You know, I really
hadn't talked about it publicly. I've talked to him a
few times and everybody's been so supportive. You know, go
go buy Bigfoot Society on Facebook and you know, telling
me praying for him. It means a lot to him
right now. So anyway, we we have a new segment,
and we're gonna do it before we bring the guest
out each week. It's not gonna be long. This one
might be a little longer. I'm gonna give a no
cars probably he rushed. I see him backstage. He's odd,
no problem, he's a trooper. But that was my fault.
So what we're gonna do, Amanda, She's gonna read one.
I'm gonna one, and then we'll just do too tonight.
But I had idea because Manda does all this all
this research, I mean all the time. She's always digging
into things. And you know, if you've seen her, bind her,
she's she's more organized than probably NASA. And I thought, well,
you know, she doesn't get to share it with anybody,
and I kind of didn't ask her. I was hoping
she didn't get mad at me. I made a little
intro for her, and uh, it's it's a little goofy,
but you know that's what we're about. We're about fun, right,
So uh if you come here thinking we're gonna be
serious all the time, you know, I hate it. I
hate it for you because but anyway, here's let me
play this this little thing here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, show them your little intro you made of you
there And.
Speaker 3: I did a female voice and it, uh it didn't
kind of work like I thought it, but I thought
it was funny. Here we go, and now Amanda's Bigfoot
News brought to you buy.
Speaker 2: Squatching all her.
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's a secret, you know what I mean.
Don't say it too loud. But anyway, since quit, don't
be laughing. She's all right, so I'll read the first
one because she got tickled. Yall. So this this is
from a newspaper. All these are going to be from
newspaper articles from the past. This one happens to be
June eighteenth, nineteen twenty three, from the Leaf Chronicle in Nashville, Tennessee.
So's it's titled Giants Giants Bones Abide in State. Huge
skeletons found near Nashville indicated habitat of prehistoric Race Nashville,
June eighteen. Hundreds of bodies of prehistoric giant Indians are
buried within less than seven miles of the heart of Nashville.
This is the belief of mister M. K. Kun of
sixteen o nine twenty third Avenue North, who has dug
up one skeleton intact of a giant Indian measuring more
than seven feet in height. She also has uncovered bones
of more than fifty others of this tribe. And this
is back in the day before you you know, had
to report this stuff, so, I mean, I don't agree
with some of this what she did. But the final
was made near the spot where James Roberson, founder of Nashville,
and his party landed back in seventeen eighty one on
Richland Creek where it empties in the Cumberland River. And
we have Richland Creek about three miles over here, and
they have found the same thing here.
Speaker 8: So you were telling me earlier.
Speaker 3: When I said, I said, yeah, so you can search
that on YouTube. It shocked me that they were talking
about this creek on that video. They said, efforts will
be made to have a representative of the Smithsonian Institute
in Washington explore the ancient Indian mounds at this place.
Missus Coon built her home on the top of one
of these mounds. And it was a different time and
it was while workmen were excavating that the graveyard of
the giants were unearthed. The quote the sweeper struck something hard,
Miss Coon said, Tuesday, And when I investigated, I found
the thigh bone of a human. It was about four
feet in length length. Wow. I stopped the work and
became that's I stopped the work and began digging an
outline formed around the human. It formed a human. When
the skeleton was disinterred, it was found to measure seven
feet in length. The skull was nearly eighteen inches in
cir circumference, and the jawbones were about a foot long.
The jawbones were about a foot long.
Speaker 8: Yeah, about a foot long. I couldn't remember.
Speaker 9: It was along this way your front to back or
side to side, or like total h servile.
Speaker 3: So uh. She goes on to say, several girls age,
and there have been battles by ancient tribes. Said, I
believe there are more than one hundred skeletons in this graveyard.
For I could not dig wells or make a garden
on account of the hundreds of bones. I dug up
scores of those thick monster skulls, and oh my god,
and use them for ornaments, she laughed.
Speaker 8: I know I was reading it.
Speaker 9: I was like they used them for ornaments, so that
they used them as like decoration in the house, like
we would, you.
Speaker 8: Know, if we bought, like to say, a skull at
the yeah general or whatever, or if they used it.
I'll in my mind I was envisioning like her making
like a flower pot out of it.
Speaker 10: Or something. I don't know why.
Speaker 8: That's where my brain went.
Speaker 3: And they probably wondered why the kids didn't want to
go to mama's house. But I can imagine the paranormal
activity possibly, you know, that they had after that. So
among the skeletons also were found weapons of large dimensions,
a pot more than four feet in diamond or cornmeal,
a piece of metal weighing about fifteen pounds, which missus
Coon said was used like a huge weapon. There were
from one to six bodies buried in each grave. Mss
Coon said their dentistry was not as well known as
that of the ancient. She added, as evidenced by the
fact that two huge teeth were found with cavities were
filled with gold.
Speaker 9: Yeah, isn't that crazy? So they already had dentistry and
whatever time frame.
Speaker 3: That was from.
Speaker 5: Man, how many some.
Speaker 9: Of us goes definitely more into like some of the
ancient giants stuff. I've got tons of stuff with Bigfoot
in it. But I found this one earlier. You know,
you being south of Nashville there, I thought you'd think
it was pretty neat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you had no idea that you know. I'm
sure it's probably the same creek. It just it's here too,
and either heads that way or heads this way, I
don't know. But so yeah, the Leaf Chronicle, well it
says June thirteenth, nineteen twenty three, but the actual article
said the eighteenth, So we're not gonna get hung up
on that. I'm more yeah, yeah, about my.
Speaker 8: Typo somewhere or something.
Speaker 3: Mama seven skulls in her house.
Speaker 9: So with mister Carl backstage, you, Roger mentioned to me
that he was in Arizona currently. So I was trying
to dig and find something here from Arizona, and sure
enough I did, And of course it's about some of
the ancient giant stuff that was found. So I'll read
that one out to you. But because I should probably
go see an eye doctor, I'm going to try to
read from the book, so.
Speaker 8: Hopefully I don't hit a key with it here, all right,
So Buffalo.
Speaker 3: That car read it, and I'm kidding, right hey.
Speaker 9: Sur Rice, He says, no, thank you? All right, So
giants found in Arizona. This is July twenty fifth, nineteen hundred,
so that's one hundred and twenty six years ago. A
skeleton of a man seventeen feet long found in a
cave in the west. Now, think about this is printed
in New York State, but it's about Arizona. Arizona was
in a state. It was still territory at that time.
So anyhow, legends of the Indian tribes of Arizona and
northern Mexico team with tales of a race of giants
who once lived on the mesas. Scientists say that prehistoric
man was a little hairy creature, bearing a closer resemblance
to a monkey than a man. Darwin islam enforces this belief.
The hilts of the weapons of the men of the
Bronze Age are too small to be classed firmly by
men of today. Their armor is too small for men
of today. But the finding of a prehistoric skeleton in
the Grand Canyon of the Colorado River would, if authenticitate,
that's my southern tonguet in the way authenticated overthrow all
the arguments of the scientists. Forty miles from Flagstaff, Arizona Hull,
the Guide has on earthed a petrified skeleton of a
man whom he estimated to have been at least seven
teen feet high. An old Indian led the Guide to
the human monster's tomb. The skeleton lay face down on
a shelf under a projecting rock. The right arm was extended,
the left leg was missing. The right leg had been
broken off at the knee, but the foot was found
lodged in a crevasse nearby.
Speaker 8: Lime water falling on.
Speaker 9: The corpse had turned it into stone. The outlines of
the body were perfect. Hull did not turn the fossil
over or make accurate measurements. He and the old Indian
again different times, y'all. He and the old Indian studied
the stone skeleton for ten minutes and then returned to
the trail nearby. Hull found perfect footprints of the giant
imprinted in the stone. Their distance apart showed his stride
to have been at least five feet. This would, however,
indicate of a height of not over ten or eleven
feet maybe. When Hull returned to Flagstaff, science has scuffed
at his story, and his friends laughed at him. He
has not visited the skeleton because of his fear of ridicule,
and of course, though he clings to the story and
says he will lead any scientists to the spot to
prove or discrum his giant must for the present be
labeled interesting if true. Now, notice doesn't that sound awful
a lot like how people nowadays get so ridiculed about,
you know, crypto sightings of any kind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, when we had M K. Davist
Own and we've talked about some of this before. One thing,
you know, we just had a comment you know about
tendency history studies and all, and none of just being
brought up when on the once the smiths Onian gets there,
stuff disappears. I mean it's just I mean, you watch
all the WI files.
Speaker 8: Get my tinfoil hat and put that on.
Speaker 3: Because yes, well well I read a report where there
was a guy, Kenny Shivers, and I actually talked to
about this at length. There was a guy that came
along that was in charge. I think before him, everything
was okay. But he had a disdain, he had a
hate for Native American people, and he went a lot. Yeah,
he himself went on a tear to hide everything he
could or destroy everything he could. And uh, you know,
Kenny and I, you know, had a you know, good
conversation about this. And the more you dig and and
find out some of these areas you know, even close
to me. Uh, it's shocking. Uh, and then then you
find out, well, why did they hide it? And that's
the you know, million dollar question. You know, I guess
that's they want you to know certain things. They don't
want you to know who they are. I don't know, but.
Speaker 8: Right, that's the fifty million dollar.
Speaker 10: Question, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's it's sad that, you know, we just they
feel like they can't trust us with the truth. And
here we are doing bigfoot shows because we've seen these things.
People in chat has seen these things, and we're trying
to figure out not if they're real or not, but
what are they? Where did they come from?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Why? Why? Why is the only history that we find
in caves or in oral history passed down through Native
Americans and you know, chat chest Chad could getting some
conversations of a ton of stuff that's being you know, uh,
we call it manipulated, but it's just and they wonder
why people don't trust people in charge sometimes. So anyway,
good job, Amanda, I like this, I like this. I
know you've got a ton more and yeah yeah, oh yeah,
I've seen your few stacked that. But anyway, let's bring
out mister Carl. You gready, Carl give me a thumbs up.
He shook his head.
Speaker 4: Yeah, am ready, I am ready ready.
Speaker 3: Carl's got a radio voice.
Speaker 8: Yes, thank you so much for tweaking around and coming
on so quick for us there. That was.
Speaker 3: I'm so embarrassed when he's he responded, and I thought, oh,
I didn't do it that, and I scrolled up, my my,
I did it, but SERI hates me. Uh and she
just woke up. Shut up. So I can spell a
word a thousand times correctly, and if I spell it
one time the predicted text and said text, it says
like that's where we're gonna get him at. So anyway,
but thank you, sir, welcome in. I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 4: I appreciate being here, you know. So uh yeah, well
listen to your story. You know, there was actually in
southern Illinois on my cousin's farm. They actually had over
the centuries now that their family has been on the
farm since eighteen twenty, and they had one of the
fields they had plowed. They uncovered a lot of artifacts
and one of those was about a forty two pound
axe head that was made a solid copper.
Speaker 8: Wow, oh dude, that's even cooler.
Speaker 3: That goes that goes back a while right there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, and and other artifacts really from that
same era. And and just like you said, the Smithsonian
was very interested in those, and they came by and
picked up all of those. Well you know, they they
had found the original documents that actually you know that
they were on loan to the Smithsonian. So they asked
for them back. And this was twenty years ago, twenty
five years ago, and the Smithsonian returned everything except the accid.
They gave back a facsimile of the accent. It was
made out of. It was like, you know, some kind
of polymer copy of it. And they said that it
was it was too historically significant in order to return it.
But they have not seen it and they haven't seen
photos of it because, like I said, this was probably
collected in the eighteen eighties from by the Smithsonian.
Speaker 3: Carl, I know this is obvious, but you know how
tough it is with the five or ten pounds sledgehammer
forty pounds.
Speaker 4: Forty two pounds.
Speaker 3: How big would you have to be to use it?
Speaker 4: That is incredible exactly. And it wasn't I mean, it
wasn't like it was more like a weapon of war.
You know, axe head not chopping wood accents.
Speaker 3: Right, Thanks for sharing that. That's see y'all. That's that's
that's the kind of stuff that that's what's good. Well,
it's good together and talk about this because I know,
I love I love hearing it, but it kind of
disappoints me too, because you know, things that they've had
for a hundred years and people, you know and the
family have forgotten about it, you know. And we were
joking before the show that, you know, like, well what
do they do with all this stuff? And the scene
in Indiana Jones popped up going into the big wirehouse, right,
Oh yeah, exactly, this stuff up.
Speaker 4: That's amazing exactly yep, oh yeah, no, that yeah. And
and I mean, their their firm has so much history there,
you know, the ancestor that ended up moving or the
son of their ancestor that you know that ended up
buying that property. In eighteen twenty signed the Bennington Declaration
of Freedom, which you know, we're coming up on the
two hundred and fiftieth bursary, but a lot of people
don't are like I've never heard of that, the Bennington
Declaration of Freedom, and it was written at the end
of May in seventeen seventy five as a protest to
what happened on May eighteenth, seventeen seventy five, which was
Lexington and Concord. And at that farm in southern Illinois
right now as i'm speaking, is an original copy of
that Bennington Declaration of Freedom. My cousin brought that out,
and I'm telling you, my hands were shaking because from
across the room I could see it was iron gall
ink on that page and here's all these signatures and
it was basically this protest and from my understanding, Thomas
Jefferson actually used some of the complaints in that document
when drafting the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 10: So what a cool piece of family exactly.
Speaker 4: And it's still there right now, but you know they
don't want to it. And not only that, but later
on Gideon Spencer, who was that ancestor, he fought in
the in the Battle of Bunker Hill, and I know
there's another name for it. It really wasn't Bunker Hill
that they fought on, but and at the farmhouse they
have the flintlock rifle and powder horn that he had
that date.
Speaker 3: So wow, and it's easy. It's amazing that it's been
preserved because I've held American history in my hand hands
several times from the old timers that used to live
around here that are gone now, and they were thinking about,
you know, donating to museums and stuff like that, and
one of the great nephews said, you know, I'll take it.
And it wasn't his fault, but he took all of
these documents and these weapons and stuff that I just
was thankful to get this because the historical value and
people who had signed these papers, and this young gentleman's
house burned, they lost every bit of it. So you know, y'all,
stuff like that needs to be to be protected. So
we're reminded, you know, of how they you know, because
the history books expect, you know, the school history books
give us a water down version of maybe what happened
just a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I own a copy of an eighteen fifty American
history school book and it is as it is, as thicker,
if not thicker than my kids uh history school book
that they had in high school, and that there was
so much detail in there. And I've read that multiple times.
But yeah, that's an amazing, amazing book.
Speaker 3: I've gotten an album I got in trouble. I don't
know if I've told this on this show. I got
in trouble in the third grade. My mom and dad
we didn't we didn't have much money at all, and
they had borrowed an old, old set of encyclopedias, and
so I drew George Washington as I had the name, Like,
so I got to do a report on George Washington.
I go and I didn't have anything other than the encyclopedias.
And when I got finished with my report, the teacher
came to me the next you know, after she read
it and everything. She said, where in the world did
you hear this mess at? I'm like, well, you told
me to put down where I got it. It's it's
the last page. You know. It's a certain cyclopedia for
a certain year. And and the story was George Washington.
Of course it had how he died, but they hadn't
told us the whole story on that. And then what
I thought was cool, He's like, basically, I'm gonna give
you the cliff notes is like, hey, we need a
president or something. So George had a party at his house,
served everybody beer and probably some ride to you that
he made there and got everybody drunk, brought up the
idea and they're like, yeah, George, who do you think
it should be?
Speaker 4: George?
Speaker 3: So our first president was nominated. Everybody was plaster drunk.
So that's you know. And she was she was mad,
and I guess she went and checked it out and
she never said anything to me. But and and you know,
what does this have to do with Bigfoot? Has a
lot to do with Bigfoot because things have been hidden
from us, truths have been hidden from us. Uh. We
we were called crazy even though we know we're not.
And what's good about finding your group? Like we have
a lot of people had similar experiences. You know, if
it was just me by myself, maybe I might believe them,
you know. And but now we know the truth. So
but so how did Carl and y'all y'all know?
Speaker 1: How Row?
Speaker 3: I see a little bit of interview and I'm like, man,
I want to talk to that. I don't know much
about your stories. How did you get introduced to this
subject or what happened?
Speaker 4: Oh? Sure I can. I can tell you right off
the bat, you know. So, so back in nineteen sixty
eight as a kid, and I'm living in Elmhurst, Illinois
and so suburb of Chicago, and my dad had a
subscription to Ergacy magazine and that, and you know, there
were so many stories about explorers and adventures and it
was like the paper version of Expedition Unknown, right, and
the but I remember February nineteen sixty eight that you
know edition came through and it had arrived in the
mail and it was, you know, on the cover it
said California's Abominable Snowman, right. And I remember as a kid,
I read that multiple times, multiple times, and I you know,
and I'm thinking, well, you know, if it exists, you know,
it's probably up in the Pacific Northwest or northern California,
and you know, and and I really didn't kind of
ended up shelving that away, although we did live next
to a next to a railroad track at the back
of our property and it went to the what what's
called the Prairie Path in Chicago and it extends I
couldn't tell you how many miles the Prairie Path runs,
but it it runs all the way from southern you know,
South Chicago, all the way up into basically Wisconsin, uh so,
and it's it's like a hiking jogging biking trail. Uh
and uh, you know, but it's very wild, lot of
woods and and so forth. But I remember where as
a kid. Now I don't tell this one this story
a lot, because I you know, I still couldn't tell
you what it was. But I remember that there was
a big linden tree that was right outside my bedroom
window in the backyard. And I remember one night I
woke up to go to the bathroom and I came
back into the bedroom and there was moonlight, you know,
outside there was it must have been maybe a November
type type front time frame, because the linden tree didn't
have any leaves on it or very sparse, and there
was a figure in the tree outside the bedroom window,
probably i'll say one hundred feet outside the window. And
it was and I remembered it very vividly because its
eyes glowed red when when I saw it. But it
was very humanoid. Okay, it wasn't, you know it? And
and I remember seeing it and I would turned around
right around, and I ran over to my parents' bedroom
and woke up my dad, and my dad came in
the bedroom and and by that point it wasn't in
the tree, so they kind of wrote it off that
I was dreaming it somehow, but I know I was
wide awake, so you know, but like I said, here's this,
you know, Like I said, we backed up basically to
a forest preserve, right, so who knows we always had
badger's or deer or something, you know in our backyard.
But you know, fast forward, you know, in seventy two,
for my dad's health, we moved to Arizona, so uh
and at in seventy six, I remember seeing the UH
in search of with Leonard Nimoy, right in search of Bigfoot,
and you know, and that and that kind of you know,
made me think back onto that Argacy magazine, which I
actually still have that that edition, but.
Speaker 8: That's definitely a collector as I don't know, Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, but I you know, you know, and even
in high school, I remember I had a statistics class
and you know, and we had to take a survey of,
you know, of people, and I remember putting the survey together,
do you believe in? You know? You know, and the
survey was really all about cryptids, right, and it was
you know, do you believe in Bigfoot? Do you believe
in ghosts? Do you believe in you know Lockness Monster,
do you you know? So there was a big list
and it was funny because Bigfoot came to bottom, right, UFOs,
I think we're number one, you know, Lockness Monster beat
out Bigfoot. So and you know, but I put all that,
you know, pie charts and everything else together that but
I know I was a nerd. Come on, you know,
you're good.
Speaker 3: You're it's okay, it's it's amazing. You know, when you
are a kid and you see something in a movie
or on TV, you know your mindset. I had a
similar situation to where I think I can't. I can't
the timeline is off because I remember I think I
knew about it before, but not hardly anything. Maybe I
saw some kind of report like you're talking about or whatever,
and we only had we only had like three channels.
I think they're fourth from Come Along Later. But uh,
I just didn't watch TV much. And it's funny that
all of us, you know, from back then, kind of
thought the same thing. Well, you know it's Bigfoot, Well
it's probably one and he or she is in California somewhere,
so we're pretty safe. And it's I remember, you know,
you know, like you saw that thing in the tree
that had the light of fire. After seeing that, because
you're already curious to start with, and then after actually
seeing something you can't explain, how did that affect you?
Speaker 4: Well, there were so many people that you know, that
told me that, you know, there's no way you saw
that right, and and you know, till finally, until I
believed it right. And then we moved away soon after,
you know. So it wasn't until my dad passed away
in nineteen seventy eight. And I spent a lot of time,
even during my high school years once I once I
got my river's license exploring Arizona. So I was camping
out in extremely remote areas and you know, using a
frame pack and going into you know, fourteen twenty miles
into remote canyons, and you know, you wouldn't see another
person for the whole time you're out there, right, And
I remember, you know, there was some now now knowing
what I know, you know, I think back on some
of the weird experiences, like overnight, I'm thinking, oh, there's
acorns falling out of the oak tree, and you know,
in the morning, I wake up, you know, because I
hear hitting the tent and I find, you know, a
bunch of small rocks, like three dozen small rocks that
are you know, it hit it hit the tent and
slid down and were just piled up, you know, and
it's like, that's weird. You know. So there was a
lot of stuff that was well, that's weird. Of those experiences,
probably I'll say six to eight of those that I
can recall, and you know when I I think back,
you know. And then in nineteen eighty two, this was critical.
I was I went to a friend of mine had
one of those inflatable zodiac boats and we took it
up to Woods Canyon Lake on the Mogi On Rim
in Arizona, and we paddled that sucker across across the
lake to the far side, you know, unloaded all our
camping gear. We had one tent, you know, three guys
in a in a small tent, right, No, we weren't spooning,
but you know it was but yeah, nevertheless, and I'm
you know, and I'm six five, so you know, it's
it wasn't easy. But so the three of us were
asleep in the tent and you know, we had fished
that night, caught some trout, cooked them h you know,
we just we really only had a one of the
coleman land terns with the mantles in it. And you know,
three in the morning, something howls incredibly loud, long, and
all three of us pile out of the tent, wake up,
pile out of the tent. It's pitch black, dark, and
there's no moon, and you know, and we're trying to
decide to get in just get in the boat and
you know, row across the lake and get the hell
out of here and just leave our stuff for or
what do we do? And I ended up, you know,
we ended up convincing ourselves. It must have been a
really large coyote, you know, but I'm telling you it
was at that time, nineteen eighty two. You didn't have
sub whiffers, but I'm telling you could feel it in
your chest right and it was that close. And but
we went got back in the tent, although I do
remember kind of staying awake for probably an hour as
I laid there. But you know, so I you know,
so I you know, that was nineteen eighty two. So
fast forward two thousand and eight. I'm sitting on my
couch with my son watching TV. And Messing with Sasquatch
commercial came on, right, and you know, and I laughed
my ass off. It was the one with the hitchhiking
Sasquatch where they're like, come on, buddy, you want to ride? Yeah? Yeah,
and the and my son didn't laugh, And I said, what,
you know, why didn't you laugh? And he's like, he's like, oh,
you know, well, Dad, it's not founded in reality because
they're not real. So that's not funny. And I said,
you're sixteen years old, are you're telling me you're that
jaded that you can't suspend even your belief in order
to you know, find humor in that, you know, And
so I said, and besides, I said, how do you
know they're not real? You know? And just like I
was as a kid, right, I mean I read all
kinds of books and everything else. In fact, even when
I got you know, to you know, you know, when
I was in Arizona. I remember I went to I
went and saw thora hir Doll when he was on
his tour after completing Kantiki, before he did the raw
expedition across the ocean. So I you know, I got
to shake his hand, right, And and I also met
Charles Burlitz. I saw him speak about the Bermuda Triangle,
you know. And so I was always interested in inquisitive
and I read a lot, and I'm telling you a
lot I have. I have more books you can have.
My wife she's like, what are all these? I'm like,
no reference, reference books, I swear, yep, but no. So
so you know, we did a little research with, you know,
with my son. I got opened up the laptop and
I told him the story of from nineteen eighty two
and he said, come on, Dad in Arizona. And I said,
I don't know, maybe you know, and uh, you know,
first I googled Arizona Bigfoot and the first link that
came up was bfurro dot net. And we went out
and reread all the reports that had been logged from Arizona,
you know, and and he was still not convinced. And
then I saw link to the Ohio Howell And when
I played that, that was the second time in my
life that I had heard that. It certainly hasn't been
the last. But I'm telling you, he saw all the
hair stand up on my arm, because.
Speaker 3: That's similar what happened to me. So I know the
feeling that I know, the exact feeling you had when
you heard the how how for the first time and
it matched what you had heard years ago. It's the
same thing happened to me. And I I think, I
think that failing was almost as dance is. Actually absolutely.
Speaker 4: Oh that auditory auditory memory is extremely powerful. The same
thing with the old factory memory. You know, having to
smell that suddenly takes you back. But so then he
was like, you know, he kind of said, well, maybe
there's something to this. And then I noticed, Hey, in
three weeks there's an expedition coming up in Arizona. And
in fact, I'll be uh one of the co hosts
for the expedition this year at the in about in
about three weeks, four weeks here in Arizona. But so, yeah,
so I said, let's I said, Hey, we'll sign up.
I said, look at this, it's four days, three nights.
You know, worst case scenario, you know, Uh, you and
I just get to spend some time out camping. And
I said, I said, and hang but hanging out with
a bunch of crazy people, right, And I said, or
or you know, maybe we'll learn something or maybe experience something.
And he's like, he's like, okay, you know, I'll do that, right.
So we signed up and we get up there and
Matt Moneymaker was one of the planners for the Arizona expedition,
and so that was that was interesting. And this was
of course before you know, finding Bigfoot or anything else
like that. I had no idea who this guy was.
But we get up there and the very first night
where we went to an area that had had a
an encounter about a week or ten days earlier up
on the Mogian Rim, and Matt stayed on that ridge
line and the group which was pretty large, I want
to probably say, you know, twenty eight five twenty eight people,
you know, And we split two groups and one group
went to the west down into the side canyon. The
other group went to the east, and Matt stayed on
that ridge line between the two canyons and he did
a howl there and from our position on the west side,
there was a reply back in two three seconds, a
howl comes back, ohioa howl type right from the north
and then and it was fairly loud, so it wasn't close,
but I'll say a mile away right, that's you know,
that's my guess. And then about two or three seconds
after that, from the northwest, maybe a little further, another
howl comes. And then about six seven seconds after that,
a howl comes from the southwest, and it's distant. It's
you know, I will say, you know, three miles or more,
you know, and play. I had that all recorded, right,
But I remember my my son's standing standing in the
dark holding onto my shoulder, you know, where we had
hiked down without flashlights, down into that you know, down
to the west side canyon. And I remember I thought
he was going to pop my shoulder out of it socket,
you know, heard that, right, and but uh yeah, so
it was uh and it was at that moment I said, okay,
I need to figure out you know, based on all
my curiosity, my reading, uh research, uh, my scientific approach
to really everything in my life, you know, including my work,
it I you know, I decided that's I got to
find out what it is, right. So I spent a
lot of times, like I said, I was, I did
so much hiking, backpacking, whatever it was. I and I
really was a good tracker at that point. I did
get some points from you know, a hunter that really
enhanced even my tracking skills, But I mean I found
I used to take groups out into the wilderness on
UH and put together like packets for them with the
Toppo maps and everything else, and we'd get, you know,
out there, and you know, and I would basically lead
a group of you know, twelve to fourteen people, you know,
on these hikes and remote areas. And at one time
I had somebody who was actually a very good hiker camper.
He took off early morning to go exploring, and well,
he didn't come back, and I ended up I ended
up tracking him a mile and a quarter uh and
then and then another quarter mile up a side canyon
where I found him with a twisted ankle. Yeah, I
couldn't make it, but but you know, everybody was just like,
how did you find him? I'm like, I'm like, I
tracked them, and.
Speaker 10: You know, I did what I do.
Speaker 4: And yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: So and that's where you know, we talk about people
from different backgrounds and hunters. It there's a difference nowadays.
The way I grew up, we hunted. We had to
do what you're talking about, We had to do pay
attention to everything. Nowadays, I hear the term hunter and
I see these people, and I'm not hating on nobody
at all. A big cornfield, a big soy being filled,
a shooting house, you know, twenty yards off the road,
they slide in there before daylight. That's that's their hunting.
And being in the woods like you were being out
in the in nature. You learn a lot just by
being there and seeing and seeing animals do certain things
that maybe might not be in a book you've ever read.
And so some of these people our age when when
they when they just kind of mentioned that, you know,
pay attention to them because there's a there. There seemed
to be a whole lot more involved back in the day,
you know what I mean. But you had to know
certain things you had. And I'm not, like I said,
I'm not hating on anybody because, uh, you know, I'm
down in the hip and everything. Now, if I had
a place like at the Hunt, I'd be That's where
i'd be, you know. But uh, I've you know, I've
always thought that like a team you need, you need
you need the hunt the older hunter and the scientists
and this, and it was just people with different skills
and all. And I love the fact that, uh, I know,
like if I go with you. I could learn from you,
you know, if people love to pass the knowledge down.
So you sounded like sounds like you got into it
pretty hot and heavy and and and y'all that's what happens,
you know, Yeah, that's what happens.
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't I didn't ask for it. And
I'm telling you what. I kind of stayed in the
shadows for so many years, and then I finally said, no,
I need to really get out and talk about this,
and especially with just the volume of sightings that I've had,
which is thirteen and encounters in the hundreds, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I wished I had the chart like class
A B and see in what he's talking about. A
class A is a sighting. B is what like finding
evidence or audio audio? Yeah, and I can't remember what
C is, but I saw that chart a couple of
weeks ago and it hit me. In just the past
six years of the places we've gone, we talk about
it like it's not nothing, but it's like, oh, yeah,
we got audio blah blah blah, and you know, like
ten years ago, I've been freaking out. Now it's like,
you know what it is, and uh, being around experienced
people helps. But if you're in chat or listen to
this tomorrow on you know, Spotify or whatever. I hear
this all the time, Carl, and you've probably heard it too. Well.
I don't want to talk about it. I just I
just heard one break of tree and then growl at
me and then run off. That's that's an encounter.
Speaker 4: That's a class B if you can rule.
Speaker 3: Out everything, if you go through and rule out mostly everything, Now,
the class A can be terrifying. What what was your
first so have you had? Have you had what's the
what's the the roller coaster? Have you had terrifying ones?
And okay ones or it?
Speaker 4: You know? It was it was interesting. I had already
kind of learned a lot of their behavior, you know, uh,
you know, prior to my first sighting. But I had
built a bunch of audio recorders that I could hang
up remotely. So I had six of these things. And
I took my I took both my kids, my daughter
and my son and my nephew who was twelve, up
onto the Mogian Rim and we went into that area
and it was, you know, it was quite a great day.
We did a lot of hiking and it was just
you know, it was one of those days where you're
bonding with your kids and your nephew and we hung
up you know, remote recorders out in the woods in
different areas and the and the There was one area
where we were earlier, about probably three months earlier on
the twenty two thousand and nine BFO expedition, there had
been one that came up up this canyon, this steep
canyon where we were kind of stationed, and it it actually,
you know, I want to say, growled from the you know,
from the ridge line there, and you could hear it
moving and then and then finally I went over and
I did a tree knock on this big dead tree
that was standing there. And as I'm walking away from
that big tree, there was there was probably a seventy
five foot ponderosa pine that was shaken. So in the dark,
you know, you could see this this seventy five foot
tree just that you know, the crown of it just
moving like that. Yeah, and then it ran off and
you could hear run down the canyon, run down the
side of the canyon, and somewhere along the way it
knocked over or through a very large rock and it's
did like a stick of dynamite went off in the canyon.
And in fact, the other BFRO groups that were stationed elsewhere,
they said, they said, oh, did someone light off an
M E D Or what was that?
Speaker 3: You know, It's but Carl, It's always something massive, you
know what I mean. It's never like did I have
farrecrker go off. It's like the biggest one you can
think of.
Speaker 4: It was kaboom, right and uh and uh so, so, uh,
you know, I had we were in that area, right
and and I had planned that evening we were going
to go back to that area and do knocking on
that that big dead tree. So we, uh, we get
out there and that evening, I cooked dinner, we watched
a movie in the car and the DVD player and
you know, and the kids were having fun. But then
my daughter wasn't feeling well. So when we drove out
to that location, my son's like, I'll just stay with
her in the car, and I said, okay, So so
they stayed back in the car and I hike. But
you know, we're hiked probably about seventies eighty feet from
the car to where that dead tree was that I
was going to do knocking from I had my night
scope monocular with and that and that monocular had did
have a little bit of amplification to it, you know.
Plus it had an IR light you know, off the top,
so night vision, right, and and I gave it to
my nephew. He thought that was the coolest thing ever. Right,
So he's looking through it. But I go up to
the dead tree. I did two knocks, and within five
seconds this whoop comes back. And I want to say,
it's maybe a quarter mile away just and so I
knocked back once and then and then, you know, my
nephew's like, you're going to knock again. I go, no,
We're just gonna wait, right, because I've always found that
less is more when you're out there, and you know,
I always hat that when it's like it's like, oh,
knock again, knock again, knock again, whoop, whoop. Hey, Carl,
you have a great voice, you know, do another howl,
you know, and I can. I can mimic their howls
pretty well. But so so we sat, you know, we
stood there in the dark and and waited about it
was probably twenty five thirty minutes, and and I did
another two knocks. And when I did that the whoop
instantly came back from the other side of the canyon,
so the same level we were at, but you know,
with the canyon in between us, right, And so I
my nephew whispers to me, are you going to knock
back again? And I go, it knows right where we are, ye, yeah,
And it wasn't. It was soon after that we heard.
I could hear rocks scrabble, you know, rocks kind of
you know coming, you know, something's coming down the other
side of the canyon into the bottom. And I could
hear a little splash in the creek. And then I
could hear brush movement down below us. And then and
then it kind of stopped. And my nephew is looking
through the night vision and he sees something lean out
from the brush, look duck back in. Lean out from
the brush, look back, duck back in. And I got
the scope and I could see, but it was just,
you know, almost like a shadow, right because it was
further down the hill. And then and then it stopped
doing that, and then I could hear it coming up closer.
I could hear small twigs and stuff. But that's why
I like calling him forest ninjas, because they're so they're
so quiet for their size.
Speaker 3: Well that that's the thing that's confusing Carled. A lot
of people will hear you say that or me say
that or whatever, and they're like, but but guys, you
just said, you know, one was seven to ten foot
tall and you know, around thousand pounds. How can something
be quiet? That's their job to be quiet, you know
what I mean. That's how if you're hunting for food
with with with animals that are quick. It's just like
Greg asked, have you ever seen one, uh move really fast?
Because you know, because we've seen that and Greg's got
natural just like unnaturally fast. Yeah, have you seen that?
Because that's to me interviewing people you know here and privately,
that's a mind twisting things too. To see something that
large move is is and the explosion is what gets
people that that first explosion that can you have a
story that's.
Speaker 4: I absolutely do, But but I'll finish the ad.
Speaker 3: I got a little excited. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it came up pretty close and then I
and then it was just watching us, but we couldn't
see it with the night vision, right. So then knowing
that they like to parallel us, right, I told my
I whispered to my nephew. I said, we'll just start
walking back to the car, and I said, and just
keep the scope down so the iire lights on the ground,
because by that point I had already kind of guessed
that they could see infrared light in that spectrum. And
so I said, we'll start walking back there. When I
tell you stop, just stop, and I'll listen to see
if it's following us. So we walk about twenty feet,
I said stop, and he stops dead and I hear
one extra footfall. So I'm like, okay. I said, you
remember when we when we were out here earlier, and
I showed you there was like no vegetation. You could
see all the way down to the creek bed down
below in the canyon. And he goes yeah. And I said,
when we get up to that area, I said, you know,
i'll tell you. I'll tell you if I hear something
in that area, I'll tell you now, and you just
spin around and look through the night vision scope and
he goes okay. So we walk by another thirty feet
and or another twenty feet, and we're in that area
above the gap, and I hear a twig snap and
I said, now, and he spins around. I didn't jump around,
you know, obviously I can't see anything right and I
don't have a scope. And he spins around and he says, Yep,
there it is.
Speaker 3: Oh no.
Speaker 4: His total time in the woods looking for Bigfoot at
night was fifty two minutes.
Speaker 3: But he had an experienced person, and you weren't setting
at home. You were out there with him exactly. Carl,
I've had an idea. I haven't got to do this yet.
I'm gonna put this out there for you and other
people in chat. So in that situation, let's say you've
got four people with you and the same exact things happening.
I've always wanted to try, if you ever get a chance,
which is rare, to have one designated person for everybody
to stop at the same time, and then three, three
or two of them take off, and one person say
stay still and see what happened, and see if they
can get a you know, a visual or something on
camera or even with not a without a camera, because
like you said, you know, if cayuties can see infra red,
then these things might can too. How yeah, Martin, that's
a good question. How how close was it.
Speaker 4: Apartmently so so when when he's you know, and I
and I said, when he said, yep, there it is,
I said, what's it doing? And he said, it's looking
at me? And I said, I said, give me the
scope and he and he hands the scope to me
and I get it up to my eye just in
time to see her take one last step before going
behind a tree. And everybody says, how did you know
it was her? Well, you know, I saw it left
Brest profile. Yeah, but it was just one step and
boom she was behind this tree. But and and later
on I determined why she had done this. But the
hillside was so steep that when she went behind that tree,
she had to put her hand on the side of
the tree in order to hold herself up behind the tree.
And didn't realize that her arm from the elbow, you know,
from the elbow up to the hand was visible to us.
Now at that point, we were about thirty feet away
from this tree, okay.
Speaker 3: And that's ten yards, yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, and and and she kept that hand on the
side of the tree for about three minutes. It was
long enough that I asked the scope back and forth
between my nephew and myself but you could see the
light breeze. You could see the hair on the forearm
just gently moving, and I want to say it was
probably the hair on the forearm was probably about four
four and a half inches long, and hair on the
arm less, hair on the hand, and the fingers I
always say, were like ballpark franks. Okay, But but the
IR light was reflecting and like I said, there was
slight magnification on this scope too, which you know it was.
I was right there, right and and you could see
the you know, the fingernails were kind of cracked, but
the IR light was really reflecting off of the fingernails.
But you know, to me, it looked like a human hand, right,
except large. So and she kelloped it there for about
three minutes and then and eventually took the hand off.
And I could hear her step to her right a
little bit and into the deeper brush and the you know,
so I sat and then but I didn't hear any
further movements. So I actually sat down with my nephew.
I tried talking. I clacked some rocks, I did a
but you know, I sang a little bit actually, And
if you're wondering it was, it was Hermann Herman's Hermits
Henry the eighth. I was singing, so I am, yeah,
that my that ear yeah in the morning, but no response, right,
And then I started hearing on the hillside behind me.
I started hearing some twigs snapping or branches breaking and stuff,
and I and I was like, yeah, you know what,
my twelve year old nephew, my sister in law would
never forgive me if he was eating out here, so
maybe I'll head back to the car, right. So so
we got into the car and boy, did my nephew
just on cork, you know. He he was just you know,
because I said, what, so, what do you see? And
he said, well, I saw the face, you know. And
when I turned quickly and looked, you know, and I said, yep,
there it is it. She went like a surprised look
on her face. And then she turned around and rotated
her body to look behind her, like down the hillside,
like there's no way that they knew I was here,
you know, must have been something behind me that, you know,
and then turned back and that's when he said, it's
looking at me right, and uh and you know the
rest hold.
Speaker 3: So you know, all of that's amazing but you pick
out certain certain things like that surprised look. That that
tells me a lot more mm hmm, Bret there. Uh,
you know, I looked up what what would an i
Q have to be for certain things? You know, I
was doing a little research, and you know, at bare
minimum on some of these stories we've heard, you know,
like a forty on the low end. And then I'm
you know, what what would it take for an animal
to know this or be able to do this? You know,
it's real, it's real interesting. I don't have it with me, uh,
but that's how my mind works, and that reaction of
surprise it is huge to me.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely wow. Oh so so the next day
we went back to the site, you know, and we
looked at I looked on the bark to see if
there was any hairs and you know, and you could
see there was disturbance in the forest litter, but really
no prints. There was a partial heel print down near
the creek bed. But you know, Arizona's uh, you know,
there's a lot of hard pan, right, so prints aren't
to readily avail as much in Arizona. But uh, I
did measure where the hand was. I had my son,
you know, stand there and kind of put his hand
on the tree, you know, to where it was until
we both my nephew and I agree, yeah, that's where
the hand was. And then uh and then I measured
and that was sixty nine inches off the ground. So
my reasoning was that was that you know, you would
probably put your hand about it shoulder level, right, you
wouldn't be doing this. So that estimated she was probably
about seven foot seven seven forward to seven seven range probably,
but you know, she was. She was beefy and uh
and well endowed at least from the left proost.
Speaker 3: What an incredible experience. It's your first your first time,
and then his, but you have somebody to talk to
about it, you know. Oh yeah, and when you get back,
you just point to Hans to tell him what we saw.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, and he yeah. But but he
after that, he got to thinking about it more, you know,
and decided so he doesn't do a whole lot of
uh night camping in in Arizona anymore. But uh uh,
he's you know, he's he's kind of signed off from that.
Speaker 3: But well, Carl my son told me, he said, he
goes with me and we've had some crazy stuff happened,
and at times he said, I'm not doing that again,
but he said, I just want to see one one
time really good and then I'm done with all this.
That's but yeah, so but see, there you go. It
changes people people's lives. He won't go camping at night, right,
And but to me, I'm proud of both of you
for having that experience together. At least, you know, had
somebody to talk to.
Speaker 8: So did it not freaking freaking out and exactly well
causing a scene or you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh yeah, has he cool head?
Speaker 8: I should say?
Speaker 3: Does he keep quiet about it? Or does he talk
about it around you?
Speaker 4: He does, he doesn't. Yeah, he knows, he knows what
happened that night, but he doesn't really talk about it much.
And yeah, he just kind of keeps that to himself.
He may have gone back and told some of his
friends and they said, you're nuts, you know, but.
Speaker 3: We all been there, yeah, we all.
Speaker 4: But yeah, in that same in that same canyon for
my second siding, which is the one where I saw
one daytime uh it you know, Uh, I was hiking
into the canyon and I kept hearing what I thought
was what I thought was a woodpecker. Okay initially uh.
And then at one point I actually could tell that
it was like rock on rock right. But not only that,
but the woodpecker was following me at a distance but
keeping an eye on me. And I was like, I
was like, oh man, this is you know. And but
I get down into the meadow and I start walking
up the meadow downstream in the canyon, and and the
the the woodpecker got more uh quicker, and a lot
more uh little these plaques. And then finally daytime, kub boom,
this huge tree knock behind me up on the ridge line,
and up in front of me suddenly the brush just
erupted and it was and there was movement, and and
you know, something ran up the hill through the brush.
I couldn't see what it was, but up the hillside
they went up uphill. Uh and uh. By the time
I got up to that area, I found three bedding
areas where this Douglas fir had been literally ripped apart,
and and there was boughs down. But there was three
distinct bedding areas there which kind of matched the you know,
the motion up the hillside. I think that's an encounter
would definitely qualified, yes, And I hiked further down the
canyon because another researcher had been up there. Now, this
area gets closed throughout winter, so November to May typically
from snow deep snow, it's inaccessible. And they actually closed
all the roads into that into that area on the rim,
and and they went up on day one. They opened
it up on a Monday, I believe, and the other
researcher went up there and they ended up finding baby prints,
so many baby prints. There was probably like fifty or
sixty baby prints all over in snow melt, right, and
it was still think it was.
Speaker 9: The same individual or was it like multiple different ones
or something.
Speaker 4: It looked like it could have been one or two maybe,
but they were seven inch prints barefoot, and uh, they're
they're incredible. In fact, that the neatest one was it
actually did a toe slide down as it stepped, so
it had weight right it went into the mud, but
it sunk in probably a good four inches into the
mud in the in this runoff, right, and it's snow
melt run off. I mean, who lets their kids run
around barefoot in forty degree weather?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 3: Did you see the pictures of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, oh no, I've held them uh in it.
But but the funny thing was is.
Speaker 3: That did they did they cast the one that slid?
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I have my picture of it.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this. When it slid, did
it dig in with its toes like cup its toes?
Speaker 4: It yep? At the bottom yep, yep? And but it
was it was so I went up there to go
take a look at those, right, that was the whole
reason I was in there. So I it was a Wednesday,
So two days later I'm up there, right. And when
I got up to that area, I couldn't find those prints, right.
I don't know if the other prints that they didn't cast, right,
they cast two or three of them, but you know,
and here I am hiking with this big backpack of
casting material. I had enough casting material I probably could
have cast about twenty of them. And ready, oh I
came ready. So you know, I did find a few
impressions that I thought, you know, probably you know, were
like maybe parental guidance over that area, but they weren't
really that castable. And so I started hiking back out
up you know, upstream, up up the canyon, and and
I hacked a little ways and I could hear something
on the ridge line, you know, a couple of snaps
and twigs and stuff like that. And I was like,
oh my god. You know, so there was one that
was a lookout. Right, the family unit was sleeping, this
is my assumption, right, was sleeping in that bedding area,
and the you know, the lookout was following me, like
where's this guy going? What's he doing? So they were
watching me the whole time, right, and on the way
back out, it was watching me again. And and I
got to the area in this canyon where I couldn't
remember if I went to the left or the right,
but I had tagged, you know, dropped a pin on
my vehicle. So I get out my GPS and I'm
looking down at the you know, where which direction do
I need to go to get to the car? And
I hear some leave rustle up on the rim and
I look up and I just caught a glimpse, just
a half a second of something running incredibly fast and
in behind some brush and I and at that time,
I was like, okay, here's my reasoning. You know, if
it was an elk or a deer, they probably would
have kept bounding right. And but if it's if it
was the bigfoot watching me, it's probably still watching me
from that brush. So I take my pack off, I
look down, I get my camera out. Actually I've got
my SLR camera in my hand right, and I turn
and I take like three steps towards the base of
that the canyon wall right there, you know, the slope
up the canyon. And at that point, it comes bursting
out of that brush and runs basically from south to
north along the ridgeline there. Now by this time, it's
about one thirty one five in the afternoon, and the
sun is right behind it, and orange, you know, reddish
brown hair, not matted and clustered like a lot of people,
you know, would say, just like I saw on the
forearm right, very very fluid and natural waving hair kind
of hair, yeah, wispy, not not fur righty. And but
it ran, It came out of there, just like a
shotgun out of that and but ran along that ridge line,
backlit by the by the sun. Uh you know, but
of course there's trees on the ridge line, so you know,
I saw it here. I saw it here, you know,
you know what I'm saying. As it ran in between
those trees along the ridge line. But you know, the
full run that I saw was maybe three seconds, right,
And as it ran, and I'm talking as smooth as glass, right,
not not bounding like like we do. You know, it's hair.
And I always liked telling people it was like a
LORI l commercial the way the hair, the way the
hair flowed on it. Just oh yeah, absolutely it was.
And I was like, I was like, and I was
I was stunned, right, And and the funny thing was
is this run was like three seconds, right. The first
two seconds was me going because it was easily eight
foot tall, right, yeah, and super just massive, right, And
and as it ran, you know, it took me two
seconds to regain my composure and I brought my camera
up and by that time it was gone. I mean
it was that fastest, that quick and and you and
you were ready and I was ready.
Speaker 3: You thought you were ready.
Speaker 4: I was ready. I thought I was ready.
Speaker 3: Right. And there's a good question here, Carl, and I
kind of wanted to ask it too, because I think
I know the answer. But so all this time and
all this study you've done, do you think that some
people have something that either they it draws these things
or or you know, because when you tell people how
many you've seen, you know, if I tell that or
Amanda does, and people, oh, that's crazy, but do you
do you have a feeling one way or another if
some of us and I don't like the word tagged,
I just I like the word. I like to think
about it as a calmer energy, knowing that we're not
going there to hurt them. Absolutely, you think it's something
like that.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. You know. I'm the kind of guy that goes
to a party and somebody says, oh, my dog doesn't
like people or whatever, and the dog's up on my
lap and say, yeah, you know, and you know, or
or oh, my cat always hides, he doesn't get in alsen,
this cat's out, you know, hi, you know. And it's
really funny though, you know, a lot of times we
went out researching, especially when I when I was still
kind of strictly following, Oh, go out and do a howl,
do two knocks here, do some whoops, and you know,
and a lot of activity like that. I you know,
and then I kind of went from that to just
kind of being there right and and the moment I
started doing that more, I you know, I'll put it
this way, since twenty thirteen, I haven't had any rocks
or sticks thrown at me, okay, which prior to that,
you know, I would get that a lot, right, And
you know, the worst one was I was by myself
investigating this area and I have I and it was
a cave. There was a big cave structure there. This
is on the Mogian Rim as well. And I went
and it was interesting because there had been a big
rain maybe two days prior. But I found where something
had taken a sandstone rock smack above the cave and
the small fine particles of the sandstone rock were still there.
But it took a piece of that sandstone rock and
then was scribbled with it on the rock, which you know,
a little artistic project, right, And I knew that it
was it was it had happened recently, right because just
because of the fine particles hadn't been walked off that rock.
But then probably about fifteen minutes later, I find this
sixteen inch print and it's you know, for Arizona. It
was just like, oh my gosh, you know, you can
see all five toes, you know, it's about fifteen by
six inch print, you know, just absolutely classic, right, And
I'm like, I'm going to cast this thing right, So
I put down on my pack, I get out of
tape measure, I'm taking photos of it, and you know,
doing all the all of that work. And this is
you know, before you could have a three D scan
or on your phone, right, and which I encourage everyone
to do that because that even if you do cast
it right, you want to have all that additional detail
before that's ruined by the casting and the u And
I'm down on my hands and knees right in an
extremely prone position with my head down facing the ground,
and from the cave area which was above me, but
about one hundred and twenty feet away, this rock comes
flying down and it's big. It's probably like a twenty
twenty pound rock. And it comes flying down and about
thirty forty feet away from me to the one side,
and I hear it go simp right, and of course
that wakes me immediately up. I look over and I
see the rock kind of bouncing, you know, down the hillside.
But my brain draws a line from its trajectory up
the hillside, right, and I don't see anything up above
the hill, but you know, the rock kind of crested
right there. So but I'm like, I'm out of here.
I get the message, right, and I packed everything up
and I high tailed it out of there. But because
I was by myself, I mean, it could have easily
beamed me. And and just seeing some of their other
hunting techniques over time, I've seen turkey kills that were
killed with a rock, and you know, so they're pretty accurate, right,
so if if they're not beaming you in the head
with it, it's meant to scare you off, right. So
but twenty thirteen, I was helping out on the on
the Arizona Bfarro expedition and and I had gotten up
there late, so Mike, I pitched my tent right near
the edge of the woods and here I am. You know.
We did our evening outing with BFRO style and I
get back to my tent. I had a big air
mattress with a headboard. Well, this was still in May.
It was actually a Mother's Day weekend twenty thirteen, and
I went to bed, but it got really cold. It
cut down to the low twenties that night, and so
what I ended up doing was putting on a ball
cap kind of resting my head on the headboard of
the air mattress and then putting a towel over my face,
with the brim of the ball cap keeping it off
my face, so my ears weren't freezing at night, right,
so I could kind of keep my face warm. And
it was close to three am. I wake up and
not really and I must have had my head up
against the side of the tent. I wake up three am,
and I realized that I am bent at the waist,
so my body has been has been lifted off of
so my shoulders aren't on the air mattress anymore. And
and I can feel something holding the back of my head,
just completely cupping my head. And and as I kind
of was like, well, woke up and was kind of what, like,
what's going on? I moving a little bit, it just
gently let me down. And and as it did, you
could hear dermal ridges on the nylon of the tent goes,
and then I could hear a bipedal running off into
the woods. And of course, you know, most people by
this time, I probably you know, I probably would have
been in there going right. No, you know, not me.
I'm I'm going over and unzipping the window on my
tent so I can get a good look outside, right,
And I couldn't see anything, but I could hear it still,
you know, heading off into the woods. And you know,
and honestly, it was after that point in twenty thirteen
that that I mean, I go anywhere in the country.
So my job takes me on a lot of trips traveling.
In fact, I wish I had been big footing back
in nineteen ninety eight, because I spent a lot of
time in and around the Nashville area, up in Bowling Green,
you know, even Kingsport, Tennessee, and it was you know,
but you know, in the evenings when I'm there for work,
I'm typically out in the woods, right. So and pre COVID,
I was traveling every single week, so i'd be I'd
be in an area a lot. And so I was
logging maybe two hundred, two hundred and twenty nights in
the woods on these business trips, right. And it was,
you know, so a lot of people they think, oh,
Carl went into the woods and oh he saw one.
Oh he went into the woods the next day he
saw one, you know, And it's like no, no, no, no, no,
I was out in the woods seven hundred and fifty days,
you know, you know, and I did a lot of
research and you know, you know, used a lot of
techniques and planning. Okay, this is most likely the area
they're going to be in, and you know, and then
find evidence and then keep going back to that area,
you know, and boom, you know, suddenly you're experiencing it. Right.
In fact, I even had I even had somebody once
contact me and ask me. They're like, they're like, are
there are there any near my house? And I'm like,
where are you? Well, I'm in central Michigan, I whatever,
you know. I said, well give me the town, you know,
And so I did that, and I looked at everything,
and I said, okay, you know what they're they're probably
transiting from from this area over to this area, and
they're using this creek bed. So I said, they're probably
you know, you know, down in the creek bed. They're
probably well hidden at night especially, And I said, so
I said, I would go to where this road crosses
that creek and look underneath there. The guy calls me
up the next day. He's like he's like, there was
three incredible prints down below that bridge, He goes, are
you sure you've never been here? And I'm like, you know,
so just using my formula, you know, it certainly helps
that I've developed over the years, so.
Speaker 3: And and and y'all. It's similar. It's similar to deer Hunton.
It's similar to just think about it. Think about it.
If if you broke out of jail and you wanted
to stay here, that's all you gotta do. Oh yeah,
And if there's water source and food sources that are
separated a little bit, they find that line and.
Speaker 4: Their strategic intelligence is incredible. I mean, I was gonna say,
some of the audio that I've recorded, I actually could
you could hear elk coming up the canyon. And I
had a recorder on two sides of the canyon, and
you know, and I noted the directional microscope, microscopes, microphones
which which direction they were pointing, right, yeah, And so
I could I had direction and everything, so I could
actually track where these elk were coming up the canyon.
And then you could actually hear on the one side
of the canyon you could hear a whistle, and then
on the other side of the canyon a whistle, right,
and then you could hear the elk getting closer and
then and then you could hear a rock clack, you know,
and it was just like I was like, oh my god,
they're communicating across just like you know, if you were
a Navy seal or a ranger, right, you got a clicker,
you know, and you're like, yeah, you know, okay, all right,
ready on two, we're going to go.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: But I see, that's what I didn't expect, Carl. I mean,
I had no prior knowledge of what they could be.
And learning to me, this has been the best part.
And it gives you a little gives me a little
comfort in the woods now because I'll I'll speak to them.
I mean i'll you know, I'll show them I don't
have anything in my hands. Uh. And you're right, been
through the same thing, not as many times, but where
I was, we weren't welcome. And now that we've evolved
in our thinking and knowledge and advice from people, it's
gotten a whole lot better. It's like, oh, you know,
it's hard to explain, but it's a feeling a lot.
Speaker 4: Of times, right. And what I always tell everybody, I'm like,
they're people, right, They're not apes, right. They're they're people.
They're like another tribe of us, right, and and uh,
respect their their home, right. I mean, if somebody comes
into your living room and starts, you know, having a
big kegger in your living room, right, you better you know,
you know, show a little respect, you know. And uh,
I've I've talked to them in English and you know.
And the one time, I mean, I before I climbed
into my into my car to go to sleep, I
you know, and it's a Yukon Excel, so it's got
big you know windows near the back. And just before
I climbed in, and and all evening while my friend
and I were sitting around the campfire, I could feel
that we were being watched, right, And so when I
went to go get in the car, I looked up
at the hillside where I above us, and I said,
I said, I would love it if you could come
down here and put a handprint on my car, you know.
So here I am, I climb into the car, I
go to sleep. Right. So so about three in the morning,
I wake up and as I stirred my my fit bit,
you know, which has like a green biometric laser or
whatever on the underside of it light. It lights up
as I moved, and it illuminated the inside of the cabin.
And here's this face right at the window looking in
it me and and I'm telling you it was it
was you know, you know, I was I'll say, fourteen
to sixteen inches away from my face, right, so just
looking straight in the straight in the eyes. And as
as the light illuminated everything and illuminated its face, it
backed off into the darkness until it just kind of disappeared, right.
Speaker 3: Didn't show show any emotion or surprise or just.
Speaker 4: No, no, just had just was like this and then
went just backed out. You know. So everybody always asked
me about teeth. I no, mouth was it was like
the lips were just straight lined. But you know, I
propped up on my elbow and I looked out the
window trying to see, you know, do I see any
movement in the trees and the you know, because you know,
once once the milky ways up, even if there's no
moon in Arizona, it's boy, it's bright. And uh didn't
see anything, right, So I ended up eventually going back
to sleep, and I wake up five point fifteen in
the morning pre dawn light and here's this handprint right
where the face had been in the window. And the
handprint was fourteen inches from the tip of the pinky
down to the base of the thumb.
Speaker 8: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: So you can imagine that size and that and the
tip of the pinky the very top. I can't think
of the whatever is it not distal flange whatever? The tip?
Speaker 3: You can make up a word. No, I believeyeah.
Speaker 4: Anyway, the very very tip of the pinky was inchine
inch in a quarter white.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: But you could see the but you could actually see
some of the dermal ridges and stuff. But the interesting
thing was is that it had gotten so cold out
that night that that the handprint was only visible because
of the condensation on the inside of the car. And
the handprint had left oils on the outside of the
car that insulated that section that part of the hand
right or where the handprint had been left, so it
was like an inside out handprint on the outside of
the car. He couldn't really see the handprint, right, And
my friend comes. I go and wake up my friend.
He comes, he gets out of his suburban. He comes over.
He's look and he's like, oh my god, I can't
believe the size of that and you know, and then
we checked his car and on the hood of his
car was also a handprint, but in the dust on
the in the center of the hood and and in
that handprint. It was interesting because the our palms right
have a cup in the center and right where right
in the center it was less less prints, but you
could could really see the dermal ridges and the you know,
wines and everything else from the handprint. Not only that,
but along the edge of the hand and at the
wrist there was wisps of hair that that left an
impression in the dust. Right, So that picture is awesome.
It's got you know.
Speaker 3: Matt White, Well, Uh, are you opposed to a part
two with pictures? Sometimes?
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely absolutely can we can do that.
Speaker 3: We've had people asking that would I'd love to see
them myself and show everybody, and.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've got a lot of stuff also on
the website ghost hunting Theories dot com. Uh, and and
a lot of that is actually my first six sightings
are all documented there where I've gone back and detailed, measured,
did everything else, uh that you're supposed to do and
uh and then uh, a lot of my research uh
with a lot of my research it that I did
in the Chicago suburbs and out in Long Island where
I actually found them in Long Island. Now I didn't
get to see one there, but I was close a
couple of times. But uh, super interesting. And I see
skiddery add a question about mind speak.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's yeah, that's that's that's been waiting to plug
it into the conversation.
Speaker 3: But as going, yeah, that's a scary, scary question to
ask people when you're new at this. But the more
I've been involved in things and talk to people I
know personally like blood can uh, now, I'd like to
hear about this because to see if it's similar.
Speaker 4: Now, I mean, I was totally flesh and blood camp,
you know, and I'm still am, you know, because I
actually did collect a blood sample and it's been in
storage quite a few years, but it's currently being tested
at labs right now where they're going to do a
full genome workup and full treat so as far as
hair colors, I, et cetera. So I think that's going
to be extremely revealing. But we can look for those
results in in sasquatch legend meet science too. That's uh,
I knew it.
Speaker 3: I knew I didn't I didn't know it. But yeah,
I've heard see when certain people talk about that, they
don't mention names, and I'm like, oh, this sounds familiar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah that was me. That was me. But
but yeah, when I collected the blood sample, though, I
was with my kids and we had I went. I
had found a nest, uh, probably about three weeks earlier.
So when I took my kids up there that next time,
I took them up over to the nest to show
them how it was constructed and how this was broken
off and so forth. And when we got up there,
there was Yeah, I saw a print in the forest litter,
and I started following it, and you know, and kind
of using the you know, the method. Okay, well where
would the next might the next print be? Right? So
it turns out sixty five inches away there's another disturbance
in the forest litter, and and we ended up following
that a quarter mile up up down down the side canyon,
up this other canyon, up to where there was an
overlook of this lake. And we get up there and
there's a three foot wide butt print on this rock
ledge and where it had sat down on a couple
of very small ponderosa pine seedlings, and those ceilings were
just starting to go, just starting to straighten back out again.
But yeah, the grass that was on there too, was
just just barely starting to rebound.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: So I'm taking a picture and I'm starting to measure
this butt print, and and my daughter says, Dad, is
this blood well on the ground below this rock ledge
where it had sat down. There's all these blood droplets
all over the place, And the best part was that
it was just starting to coagulate.
Speaker 10: Non super fresh.
Speaker 4: And by this time I was already carrying her friends
a kit with me and everything. So it's like I
collected all of it as much as I could, and
you know, even the stuff that was on rocks. And
but later on I went back and I looked at
the photos I took of the trackway that was, like
I said, a quarter mile long, and only the left
foot impressions had a There was a dark spot or
bleme it blemish in those left foot things. So my
my assumption is that you know, it had a cut
in its left foot, got up to the top of
the hill just like you or I, Right, what would
we do? Oh, I'm going to sit down and take
a look at this cut on my foot, right, Yeah,
and uh, and that's why the blood droplets were kind
of spread over in areas as it moved its leg.
But so anyway, so that was that was fantastic. But
I'll get I wasn't ignoring the mind speak things, right,
So that's blood right. So fast forward to twenty nineteen.
I'm I'm. I was doing research because I was doing
a lot of work in Saint Louis area, so I
would I would go over to Alton, Illinois and southern
Illinois and do a lot of research over there. So
I picked out a couple of areas that I thought
were fit. My you know, my, you know, I think
they're in this area, so I will go, I'll go there.
But twenty nineteen there was a lot of flooding on
the Mississippi River and Alton was inundated. In fact, some
of those nights I actually went to I just went
to Alton and helped fill sandbags. So I got off work,
drove over there from Saint Louis and filled sand bags
until about eleven or twelve o'clock and then drove back
to the hotel. Right, so finally I got I had
the opportunity. I'm like, I'm going to I have to
look at these two areas because I think they're just
too good, you know, to to not go research. So
I get over to that area and and sure enough,
there's there's too much flooding in that in the area
that I wanted to go into these woods and look at.
And I couldn't get The road going in was flooded.
And I didn't think Avis would appreciate if I, you know,
stranded their vehicle down at the bottom in the woods.
So so I drove around trying to find another alternate
way to get into those woods, and I get so
finally there was no way to get in there. So
I pulled off on the side of the highway. Now
the highway was empty, there was no there was no
cars coming or going north or southbound, and I ended
up I just parked there and I get out, and
I'm thinking to myself, I'll do one whoop. Maybe I'll
just do one whoop to see if they're there, right,
And then I thought, you know what, this is a
really good chance, based on everything else I've talked with
people about. I'll try an experiment, right, and if it
doesn't work, it doesn't work, right, So I just stand
on this. I got out of the car. I stand
on the side of the road, and I only thought
to myself, didn't say a word, just stood there in
the silence, and I thought to myself, if you're in
these woods, could you please knock? And it was it
was within thirty seconds crack, this knock comes out of
the woods. And and I thought to myself, thank you, right,
And in my head I hear the words go in peace,
oh wow, give me carl, right, and and I and
I just raised my hand and I waved in case
they could see me on the side of the road,
and I and I got back in the car. So
then I'm like, okay, let's let me let me get
over to you know, research area number two. Right, So
I get over to the second research area and same thing.
I cannot get into that area. There's just too much water.
In fact, this one is it's like a marsh swamp.
It's there's so much water in this area. And so
I'm like, well, you know, to apply science, right, you know,
try to make it repeatable, right, So I parkside of
the road. I get out. I'm standing there, and I
just thought to myself, if you're in these, if you're
in there, could you please knock? And almost instantly I
hear something bipedal sloshing through water and it then it
strikes a tree. Now whether or not it was a
water logged stick or or just a hand slapping it,
but it was still close enough that you could hear
when it hit the tree. I could hear water droplets
sprain and hitting hitting the you know, the other water
on the ground. And this time I thought to myself,
what are you doing in there? Right? And then in
my head I hear the words catching frogs.
Speaker 8: Oh how cool?
Speaker 4: And totally I was like wow, wow, And then I thought,
you know what, I'm going to apply what I learned
the last time. So I thought to myself, go in peace.
And then I went and got in the car and
I drove back up to Olton and I went and
they had a beer.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. After that, I was like that, and I
appreciate you sharing because I started doing that and and
I've been told by some friends, uh, to do that.
I haven't had it. I haven't done that yet, though, Like,
if you're there, to do this, I've it's like when
we start arriving, like we're here, this is what we're doing.
If you want to leave or whatever, We're not here
to hurt you, harm you or whatever. I haven't tried that,
but my I don't know if you heard me tell
the story about my son. And by the way, y'all,
I talked him into coming on next week so we
can kind to kind of go through where he was
at with this. And when I finally told him about
my experience years ago and the things that we've experienced
together and some things he's had happened while we weren't there,
but one of them, Carl, is the reason I started
thinking about this seriously. He had, I'll make it quick.
He was about to take a dough. He was laying
on the ground middle of nowhere. I mean, we have
to hike in, you know, we go and something started
pounding the ground. He didn't know whether it was pounding
the ground he could feel it or it was like
a chest but it was two pounds just hitting the
ground and it was vibrating and he was laying on
his stomach and he said, Daddy, is the weirdest thing ever.
He said, I turned around and I thought, I'm fixing
to see one in big SOB standing behind me. He
was panicking and he turned around and looked and it
wasn't there. Who He's relieved, but it's still pounding. It stops,
and he said, I heard in my head, don't shoot,
I'm here. I said, what'd you do? He said, I
jumped off up on the ground and took off to
the truck. Because he's as far as he's had a
few things happen to him that might be considered paranormalist.
You know, one is really bad, but he hasn't talked
about like tons of stuff. For him to say that,
you know, I had to take him for his word
because he doesn't exaggerate. And I'm like, and it didn't
say yeah. I asked him a few questions. I'm like,
he said no, I didn't think, don't shoot, he's here.
It says, don't shoot, I'm here. And so, you know,
you hear people when when they use the word mind speak.
It kind of turns some people away because they they
rejected or whatever. But when you get to looking in
some of these programs that's been happening, and some of
these countries have been trying to figure out the brain
and if things can happen, you know, whether it's remote
viewing or I've practiced that myself with a buddy two
counties over, and it's scary sometimes how close my drawing
is to what he's thinking, you know. You know, so
I don't know what there is to that, But I
don't know if you have to be a certain you know,
brain type. I don't know blood type. You know. I
think we talked about that one night, you know. Uh,
but I've I've changed my thoughts because the people I
know and talking to people like you, and this is
what I started this to do, is get more information.
And I appreciate you sharing that because y'all. For Carl
to say that just now publicly on air, people watching
from all over the world, Uh, he knows, he knows
what there's going to be some people, flesh and blood
people with all Carl's crazy. But you're you're would like
minded folks. So I mean, I really appreciate you. Uh
tell that story.
Speaker 4: Well, and I've even tried it one another time. Right,
But like I said, you know, I spoke in English, right,
and it left the handprint right, you know, so obviously
understood me.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
Speaker 4: And and then the I was at my cousin's farm
in southern Illinois where that I kind of kicked this
whole thing off with. And and in twenty thirteen, i'd
been there and that evening, when I was staying at
one of their cabins on the property, one came up
onto the onto the porch of the cabin, you know,
and ended up blocking out the the light. You could
see it was, you know, a large figure, but there
was like a I want to say, like a bed
sheet curtain on that front window of the cabin. And
then it went over. It tried the door knob, which
I thought was interesting, and then it went and it
walked around. And this was like two in the two
in the morning. It walked around the backside of the cabin,
which is just full of brush and everything else, so
just crack crack. I could hear it coming up the
backside of the cabin. And the window behind the bed
was not didn't have a curtain on it, right, and
I could see the shadow on the bed. But I
just laid there because I was just like okay, you know,
like like we've had a visitor, right. And so in
twenty twenty three, I'm on the farm again and I'm
staying in the same cabin and I'm hoping, oh, I'll
get a visitor this time. But this time, I you know,
I'm I'm more prepared for that, right So I so
I'm all, you know, I'm all excited to get to
bed that for that night. And I get and nobody visited, right,
So I was like, ah, So I start walking from
the cabin down to the farmhouse down this there's like
a dirt you know, trail leading from there, and I'm
heading down there to go get some breakfast, and and
and I was thinking, I was walking along, thinking I
was just how disappointed I was I didn't get a visitor.
And then I looked up because their property has large
bluffs with just totally forested. It's about nine hundred and
sixty acres, so large property, large farm and the but
there's a lot of it has has big bluffs along
the Illinois River there, and I kind of looked up
towards the bluff, which is, like I said, densely forested
and just beautiful morning, absolutely still no breeze. And I
looked up the hill at the bluff and I thought
to myself. I wonder if I'm being watched. And the
moment I said that, this one single tree goes and shakes,
and I was stunned. And then I kind of laughed
and chuckled, and I went like this, like, oh, come on, guys,
like you know, and I walked about ten steps and
I stopped again, and I thought to myself, do that again,
and instantly that one tree goes and I only thinking right,
and then I laughed. I laughed out loud, you know,
and I said, I'm gonna go grab some breakfast. I'll
see you guys later.
Speaker 3: Well that's that's that's actually pretty cool. Yeah that that.
I mean, you seem like a chill guy anyway from
from birth probably, And I wish I wish people could
hear you talk that maybe have seen one of these things,
you know, a roadside of crossing or whatever, and they're scared.
Uh And and you know, I've got friends that had
terrifying experiences, but they've never been hurt. They thought they
were going to be. And I know several of them
that have tried some things that you're you're saying, and
it by admission out of their mouth, it said, seems
like things got better.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if that's one thing, If that's one thing we
can take from this, is to try to communicate, even
if you don't believe it. Do like Carl, do it
ten times, repeat it and see if it happens, you know.
And and the thing is, it's it's like going to
a farm pond. You don't know, they may not be there.
So if you don't get a result the first time,
go a thousand more times like Carl does.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know, And and when I'm in the
Arizona Wilderness, I mean I've had I've been stalked by
a mountain lion once that you know, and that was
enough to you know, to have me carry every time, right,
And but you know, the very first time I was there,
somebody said, oh, you'll never see one if you carry,
you can't carry, And I said, I said no. I
was like, they know it's not for them, right, And
you know, and it's like in most and black bears,
Arizona's loaded them. I think that populations estimated between ten
and fifteen thousand. But and we have jaguars as well,
so add that to the mix. But the uh, you know,
I've probably seen about thirty black bear over time, and
and I want to say twenty nine of them ran
away like chickens right, just you know, human and took
off right. But it was that one that stood up
and growled at me and wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't vacate the
prem area. That and at that point I was not
carrying and that and that I carried ever since that point,
because it only takes one bear, right yep.
Speaker 3: And and you know when I first started filming on
my other channel and just showing people where we were,
where we were at, you know, I started filming one
day and I slid a raffle over, had to sling
on and and I said, look, I know what some
of you are thinking. You're going to get on to
me because of this, But you're the exact ones that
say they know your intentions. If they know my intentions,
we're good. This is for these things that like to
bite folks. And I don't want like you said, I
don't want to I've seen seventeen mountain lions that's nineteen
eighty eight here and they're not.
Speaker 4: Supposed to be here.
Speaker 3: Well, the only reason I've seen them that many times
they had dens on my mom dad's farm back in
the day and they were raising so it's not like
I've seen them in different parts of the county, which
I have, and we My sister sent tracks pictures sometime
this past week said is this a dog or a cat?
And I'm like, definitely a large cat. Where are you at?
And she told me. I'm like, and I'm like, why
nobody listens to me? You know, I told you to
stay away. Well we found a bunch of skulls. I'm like, exactly,
stay away from the place. There's a cave over there
and they're living over there. Stay away from the place.
But anyway, yeah, man.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, well there was And the one time I
was I'm big footing right now, but I was by
myself and I I'm hiking down this trail and I
look off the side and I see this pile of
hair and I'm like, what is that? Look at that?
You know? So I get down. I'm looking at this
hair and I'm examining it closely and like I'm going
to collect it all and and I and as I'm
looking at it, I go, it's tan. It's got a
little bit of a whitish tip to it. And I'm
looking at this thing, and then I suddenly it dawns.
I mean, as I'm in the prone position on the
ground right, it's a mountain lion hair ball. I'm telling
you what. I jumped up so fast and started looking around,
you know, and and but I did bag it. I
think I still have it in my collection here. But
it's it's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: But I like those moments of sheer terror when you
know you're playing with fire, you know what I mean,
It's like, wait a minute, yeah, I start looking like, yeah.
Speaker 10: Too close to the comfort but fatal air.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting close to two hours. Oh okay, would
you would would you come back sometime?
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I love this. This is uh. I love talking to everybody.
But the experience that you bring and the calmness that
you bring, UH think it. I think it's good for
all of us.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 4: And it's really funny. I mean, when I'm out in
the woods I am, I mean, you know, I saw
a male daytime, one hundred and twenty hundred or one
hundred and twenty feet away from me, digging at the
base of a tree, and he and he looked up
and our eyes locked right and and and then he
erupted from this squatting position, took one step and was
into the into the brush. Right. But of course as
he jumped up, and I always tell people, I'm like,
they're like, describe the face. I'm like, dark gray skin,
you know, large eyes that were I didn't notice any
whites of the eyes, right. And but you know I
said the dark gray skin was consistent on its body
because as it jumped, as he jumped up, you know it,
I can verify that they do not circumcise.
Speaker 3: That's too, that's still a little too close for a comfort.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but yeah, when I'm telling you,
you know, when you see something that looks like a
stump squatch, right, and it just it unfurls to an
eight foot tall massive bean and then takes one step
into the woods, just like a shotgun.
Speaker 3: And no, you you were you you were your experience.
But you know, I talked to a kid he's like
twenty eight now, fourteen years ago. He had something similar
happen here like two miles from my house. And when
he pulled up, uh, he looked over and saw something
beside his tree stand, and as he turned the key
off on the four wheeler, he just like you said it,
it stood up and he said he didn't know what
to think. He knew what it was. He didn't believe
in him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's right here.
Speaker 3: And he had had black eyes and all that. But anyway,
it's always it's fun to listen to the season to
people because you're learning. But I like listening to the
ones that were non believers, and it's like, oh crap,
you know now what I do? You know?
Speaker 4: Right? So, you know, I tell that people all the time.
I said, always keep an open mind, right, And like
if I if I hadn't talked to a lot of
people who had had mind speak or well not even
mind speak, but you know where they said, oh I
only thought something and something happened, you know. And then
it's like, well, you know what, I'm going to deploy this, right,
This was the data point i'd held, even though I didn't.
I was never in that camp at all. Right, And
all of a sudden, I'm like, they're absolutely correct. I
can't believe this, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, I'll tell people this, You'll find out
the story next week. But after my son and I
was surprised that one and it comes to our hunting
spot sometimes not all the time we spooked him, I
was being quiet and we usually walk out and being loud,
and so we don't do that. And when he turned
around and huffed, growled at us, and I knew what
it was. It's forty yards away on the dark hill side,
you know. I threw my hands up and I'm like, hey,
we're leaving. We're you can have the place for a
few days, enjoy or whatever. And my son's like, man,
you know, don't even scare me anymore. Well, the next
time he went in, he was waiting on him on
the other ridge. And I feel like it would thought
I would be there because I started leaving signs and stuff.
And so I feel like, even though we don't have
access three hundred and sixty five days a year, in
just like three months out of the year. Now we
got a rock thrown at us in twenty twenty, and
now it's reached the point now where something is leaving
us obvious things in the trail. We go in one way,
go out the other, and I feel like, you know,
every time and unless we get something and we have
to change it up. But I feel like the relationship
has there's a little trust there. I don't know why,
you know, so yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: And the funny thing is that it follows me. You know,
it doesn't matter what state I'm in, right, I can
go to a band new research area and all of
a sudden they're like, oh, like we know you or
we trust you, and well it's.
Speaker 3: Think about this, Carl, think about this. If you can say,
if you're over there, make a knock for me, then
when you're walking in not thinking anything, it may know
what your attitude is, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
so that's that's kind of where I'm leaning towards. When
I hear all these people tell these stories. Uh, it's funny.
It's like the friends thing. Once they know you know
you they know you know. Once they know you know, uh,
it seems to get a little better. But everybody still
be careful though. I don't want you to go up
and try to hug one and then something happened on it. Yeah,
then they calling me up.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's and and I've actually heard them laugh.
That was the that was the best. And you know,
so they have a sense of I mean, if they
have a humor and they can make you know, have
a reaction like right, you know, you know, I mean
they're us, right, They're just big and big and hairy
and uh you know, like I said, just respect them
and they'll respect you.
Speaker 3: And and humans can be so horrible to each other.
I don't blame them from hiding. I mean I don't
not at all. And I think I think once we
understand that part of it too, they may either feel
the energy or can read our energy, you know. So yeah,
I agree, all right, all right, thank you sir? Uh ben,
this is great at a blast?
Speaker 4: Yeah me too. And yes, yes like.
Speaker 3: That shirt, yeap, Yes, it's amazing, y'all. Uh, if you've
watched all of the people come from all over the
country with the soccer and and how much they they
love this country and they've been lied to by their
media over there, which they say in their videos, and
they appreciate our country more than we do. And you
need to watch some of those videos and it'll change
your attitude a little bit.
Speaker 4: So who would have thought that Ranch dressing was an ambassador?
Speaker 3: I would have you. I like Rench dressing and BUCkies
and waffle House.
Speaker 8: Ye yes, videos, it's been fantastic.
Speaker 3: My thing is though, I want them to all go
home and wait and tell us what their weight was
before they came. Yeah, all right, y'all, thank you all.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thanks everybody.
Speaker 3: Yep, everybody, y'all. Good night, Happy July the fourth, celebrate.
Keep all your fingers, like I say, down here in
the south try and yeah, just be careful and uh
big love like Greg says. And we'll see y'all next
Thursday night.
Speaker 2: All right, down in the pines, where the water runs back,
where the mall sangs low and the night leans back,
the stores must about a shadow, tall, big feet moving
where the moon lad fall.
Speaker 6: Some say it be some said ghost in the trees.
Speaker 2: Some say it trouble blowing in with the breede. But
around here, man, we know the call, and we just
call him friends. The squatching holler, so.
Speaker 5: Live that, and the cat tell sick in the nine.
Speaker 6: Birth time copperheads wed in here, George.
Speaker 1: The fall that ain't no wind, and it ain't.
Speaker 5: No no when the creek girl's cold, and the shadows
getting taller. Yeah, you're crossing in the squatting thee the.
Speaker 3: Just walk getting a brave man fud.
Speaker 4: But I mind your staffing and squatching.
Speaker 6: How boody tell me stories about their thing sauce to
ten foot high with a tomb.
Speaker 2: But y'all red eyes burning like a summer least try
and think enough to swallow your soul. But the old
folks laugh, saying, don't you fear if grid has been
living here for hundreds of years, treat them we respect.
Speaker 4: When the moon gets smaller.
Speaker 5: And they'll let you live in squatch and holler, sold
that fire.
Speaker 6: Let the swamp drum roll.
Speaker 4: You can hear that be slip down in your soul.
Speaker 2: If you hear a drum from the river, call it
ain't no boat.
Speaker 5: Brought balking that lord, little swamp runner steal and the
crickers get salty. Y'all lit alone and spotting hollow weather
bay by ties and the fools off cob give me
watching on that spotting holler.
Speaker 6: Some say gods it old pine ridge.
Speaker 2: Some say he walks from bridge to bridge warm. Thanks
show when the night comes down, something big still calls
it screamed, So bank that fire.
Speaker 5: Let the night get deep at the windows wins for while.
Speaker 3: The cuts up creeps.
Speaker 6: If you catch us glimpse.
Speaker 2: Through the midnight, holler, just now your head.
Speaker 5: Don't scream and holler them because the wild on spree
and the legends getting taller and wherever it runs in
squatching Holly, we ain't scared, but we shore stayed cautious
down in the dog out, that squatching holler, the the bat,
the b