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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate, body and soul or

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should I just say bunny?

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Speaker 2: Hello? Filthy movie lovers, Something Weirdos and anti Criterion Bros

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To the thirty fifth episode of The Sins Syndicate, where

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a vampire must always be a virgin and the dungeon

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rough housing is invariably performed at the behest of the producer.

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My name is Gentry Austen, writer and researcher, and I'm

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here with my co host, adult film historian Casey Scott.

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And in this episode, we are doing something we've never

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done before. We are reaching our arms across the Atlantic

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to discuss a spiced up sexploitation import direct from France,

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a film that has gone by a number of different titles.

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You may know it as Requiem for a Vampire, but

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to us it'll always be Caged Versions.

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Speaker 1: Take two devilish nymphets hiding from the police, put them

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in a forest more ominous than death, and listen to

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their screams, screams of horror when they learned what fate

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awaits them as caged virgins.

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Speaker 2: Joining us from the backwoods of Kentucky is our guest

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this week, Jeremy Ritchie, the author of Sylvia Cristelle from

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Emmanuel to Chabrol and frequent contributor to the recent slate

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of UHD releases of genre Lon's filmography, which have been

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put out by Indicator Studio in the UK. So we

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will be bringing Jeremy on in a few moments, but

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first let's check in with the Sexploitation News desk. I've

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got Casey here and he's on mute. I'm gonna talk

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for a minute here. This is our I'm gonna call

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it our official one year anniversary. We're pretty close, so

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let me just say, if you're listening right now, thank

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you so much. You know, we've been doing this pretty

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consistently for the last twelve months, and as I've told

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Casey probably one hundred times, this thing wouldn't exist without him,

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and so I'm glad he decided to jump into the

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fire with me on this project. And we can't not

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thank Alex DeSanto, our sort of third member, and he's

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also an integral part of this project. So I again, yeah,

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I can't say enough thanks for him for his insight

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and his youthful enthusiasm. But of course we also have

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to thank all our listeners who have joined us on

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this journey, and many of you have helped us in research,

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or you've thrown us a few bucks over at Patreon,

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or simply sent us nice messages. It really does mean

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a lot. I think I can speak for both of us.

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I'm just really proud of the work that this whole

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community has been doing, and we're just a little piece

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of it. Casey, what are your thoughts after a year

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of working together with with me?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, when you put this in the show notes, I

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was like, wait, it's been a year we have we

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have been going pretty NonStop. I mean, now, I guess

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the listeners should know. We typically are going we're going

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by a two week on, one week off schedule. Well,

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for a while there, we didn't have weeks off. We

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just kept going because we were so invested in doing

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something that we wanted to talk and we wanted to

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you know, build the quote unquote brand. I guess I

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will also say I've said this before. I'm really glad

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that I started this, and I've told you analyx this

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a lot. Is that my previous relationship with research and

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my previous you know, ex relationships with other researchers has

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really contributed to me not trusting a lot of people.

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we had only spoken a few times, I was like, well,

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let's see how far this goes. So I immediately it

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was suspicious of everybody, including full disclosure, our guest today,

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our guest today, who I love. We had a little

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bit of a thing because of other researchers in my

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trust issues. So I'm glad that we'll talk about that

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more probably, but yeah, no, I'm And the thing that

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has been the best about this is of course working

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with you and Alex. But yeah, like you mentioned, we

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have really developed a nice little community here of people

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who are watching these film for the first time, revisiting them,

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collaborating on research. Lisa has listened and enjoyed and connected

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us to other people. So now we're doing commentaries. I mean,

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right now we've done We've done five commentaries together and

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let such a great fire under my ass again. The

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passion is back, and it had been gone for a long,

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long long time, just specifically because it wasn't fun to do,

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because of the way that other researchers were behaving. So

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reminder that it's a big community out there and we're

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all trying to we're all just trying to do this

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together and show love and support for these films the

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best we can together. So I like the collaborative nature

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of this podcast and our little community of of of collaborators. Yeah,

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are members of the syn Syndicate if you will, ye, So,

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I and I do need to start making pins, I think,

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uh so that we can all have a fit that'll

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maybe that we can start shipping out to people.

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where you know he was kind of ready to throw

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in the towel for a little bit there on sexploitation research,

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and you know, until this whole thing started and you know,

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we're all just excited again and doing exciting things. So

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you know, you can you guys can all just thank

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Speaker 3: Really, Gentry was yeah, Gentry was the was the This

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was all Genter's idea. So I'm glad that it succeeded

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for your sake to gentry. Otherwise you never live this now, No,

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it did. And you know, and I I'm very at

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this point, I'm very protective of you as a friend

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and and uh and and a co host. So so yeah,

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and I ride or die for my for my friends,

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especially in this in this realm.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I won't go behind the scenes

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too much. But yeah, it's been a lot of work,

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but it's also been very fulfilling I think for all

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of us, absolutely, And yeah, I think that there are

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people listening that have let's just say certain uh sway

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and what's being put out, so hopefully that you know,

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in that regard, and you know, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: But so I've seen the it's very least seen the

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number of views and reviews of some of the films

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we've covered go up on letterbox, and that I will

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say that, honestly has it has to help knowing that

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there are at least people who have seen it and

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there's an audience there for potential reissues.

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Dakota as well about you know, our letterboxed usage. It's

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just like, yeah, you know, sometimes we go overboard and

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it's kind of cringe how seriously we take it. But

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and they're looking at reviews and they're seeing, you know,

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what's what's getting good reviews, what's getting bad reviews. But anyways,

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speaking of home video releases, Reviver too nice to see

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that sellout so pretty quick. Uh well, I don't yeah,

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of the fact that the first one got mixed reviews.

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and I actually I texted Oscar about something else last

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week and I said, I'm avoiding any clues, any theories,

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any any suggestions of what this could be because Reviver

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one was spoiled for me, which is fine, but when

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this shows up in my mailbox, I want to pop

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it in and be completely surprised from the jump, like

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I want to experience that Reviver experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well, don't talk to Charles Devlin then nope, I.

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Speaker 3: Won't not talking to anybody about it, Dino told me.

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If Dino even was like, if you know anybody who

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hasn't bought this yet, tell them to buy it. I'm like,

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everyone I know has bought it because everyone's in. Everyone's

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Speaker 2: I blame Dino as well for me rushing to buy

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it when there was like twelve copies left, thanks a

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lot of Dino yep.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Yeah, I did it too. It can't popped up.

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because I wanted that free shipping, so I got more stuff. Yeah,

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just you know where it was kind of coming from,

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and the sort of about the production. But yeah, I'm

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not even bothering to try to figure it out because

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I was like, come on, Oscar, you know me enough

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at this point. I like being surprised. I'm I'm in it.

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I'm full on in so well.

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when it came out was that it's not just one film.

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There's a bunch of stuff on each release.

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a little like in industrial films. It's a mix of stuff.

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like they may not even have been released ever before,

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so how would I not order that? Are you kidding?

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about film love. Like I love film, So I want

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to be able to devour that and experience that and

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put myself in that position of seeing a film for

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the first time ever as its first audience.

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so it's like, well, okay, there's another instant purchase.

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of them. So I'm not even going to look at

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the list. I'm just like, whatever it is, I know

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Speaker 3: I've already dropped a bunch of suggestions to him.

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Speaker 2: But let's talk Francy's updates. What have we got here?

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Sean provided a bunch of locations. I don't know if

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you guys have seen that. They are up on our

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Patreon now some then and now that he took I

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believe it was twenty twenty three, he said when he

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was in the area. So check those out. I think

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they are pretty great. How closely he lined up each shot,

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you can tell he really puts some care into it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, those I love Sean, Yeah, I love him.

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I love listening back to that episode too, because and Sean,

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I will just say, next time you're in New York,

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I'm clearing my friggin schedule. Just tell me God feel terrible.

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I haven't met him yet, and yeah, so, and that'll

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be basically have to clear the whole day. It'll be

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another bow In situation where wherever we go, we're probably

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gonna shut the place down. I'll probably be there for

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the entire day because we have so much to talk about.

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If you game to New York, we wouldn't we shut

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someplace down? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you would take me to all your haunts. That'd

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Lauriber our second involvement with them. Great team over there.

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he really cares. You can tell about restoring these as

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the deleted or what is he calling it deleted footage?

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still existed on film. I still don't know whether they're

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are though, because he sent us some screenshots and they

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forty five minutes of outtakes, which is which is almost

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the full film. Crazy, So I thought the ratio was

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more footage of Berry in his airplane. So yeah, he's

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got forty five minutes of outtakes that he's going to

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be doing a commentary on top of, which should be

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very interesting. Of course, we've got commentaries on each of

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how we formatted that, but it'll be a pretty fun time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we did. I will say you did a

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lot of amazing research, and I did a lot of research.

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we really did, and you'll find out it's I mean,

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those commentaries. Just not well again, not to not to

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really impressed with the work we did on this, I

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really am. And I liked both movies better actually, well, no,

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like they fit so much better than Sex Bodhism Raw Love.

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I don't think that releases great too, but these two

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just go really well together, and so we were able

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which I think was really good.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely, And I will say, speaking of the research

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we did for those, I think that we'll probably put

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Vegas Nude Camera because they are packed so if you like,

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of I mean, they would they would go really well

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with our commentary. Either you could read them after or

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so another reason to check out our Patreon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and related to those notes, actually I'm putting I

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think I'm what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put together

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folders of articles that I found, especially about the whole

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Lisa Winters thing, the star of Nude Camera. That was

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a journey, that was a crazy journey, and I didn't

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the actual articles. So I think I'm gonna do that too.

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I'm gonna have articles on Bud. I'm gonna have separate

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articles on Bunny and all these different people, the guy

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who's who rented his house, whatever his name was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, maybe that's the way to go. Yeah, split

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Speaker 3: Do I wonder when when when our other one is

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going to be announced too, by the way, with another

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least coming out with my first solo commentary in your essay,

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I'm not sure when that's coming out.

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it's all true. It's yeah, how they put those together.

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Speaker 3: I hope. So. Oh, and that's something else I guess

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related to this. I mean, we're not spoiling too much

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because even the Kino announced it. But the film at

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least one of the film's nude camera was restored from

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like sixteen millimeters partially restorted from sixteen sixteen millimeter code

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chrome originals, not just thirty five millimeters prints. So it

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looks great. It's probably the it's well, yeah, I mean

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it's shocking to have a color Barry Man on film

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that's going to look that good. I mean, it goes

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back and forth between thirty five and sixteen. But watching

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that restoration, I was like, oh, actually this Yeah, I've

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said it before. A restoration can really change your mind

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on a movie. So yeah, I was more impressed with

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that movie revisiting it that way for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I pointed out right when we got our screener that

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you can actually tell, like what the color of the

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car is now seeing that code film print. Yeah. Ye.

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Speaker 3: And Bunny's outfits pop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm really excited about it. I mean, say what you

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will about the films Bunny and Barry together, like it's yeah,

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it's I'm really excited about it. I wasn't. If I

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wasn't involved with it, I'd be buying it. I'd be excited.

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Speaker 2: What's this Satan in High Heels update from Mike McCollum.

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Speaker 3: God love Mike McCollum. Mike McCollums. So we were talking

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about Cosmic Films and we're trying to figure out who

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they were because they only distributed that one other film,

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which was Nude in his pocket, I think the fifty

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seven French films. So he found this article from Box

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Office nineteen sixty two. So Cosmic Films, Inc. Will distribute

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the independently made Vega production Satan and I Heels, according

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to Arnold Jacob's Cosmic president. And then it discusses its

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filmed in New York City by Leonard Burton, directed by

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gerald In Trader, Starry, Meg Miles, blah blah. They just

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described Meg Miles as nightclip singer, which I guess was true.

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And then it says we'll open at the Forum Theater

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March twenty third, nineteen sixty two. So we have a

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name of the guy behind Cosmic Films. But Mike also

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try to do some additional research on him, and it

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was we didn't really find it. He didn't find any

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other Arnold Jacobs associated with the film business outside of

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this blurb for Cosmic Films. I'll check back with him

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to see if he has any additional info on that,

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But I think that might be it. It might just

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have been. That's something I need to send to Alex too,

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because and maybe the fet history guy might know who

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Arnold Jacobs is. If he was related to Burton and

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related to the whole magazine world, that's entirely possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, so yeah, there's definitely some research to be

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done on Arnold Jacobs.

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Speaker 3: I think he found an article that was an A Jacobs,

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but then I think he determined it was a different

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first name. It wasn't Arnold. But and I know that, Mike,

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I love you. If I'm saying it wrong, I know

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you will correct me and then then we will do

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another correction. But this is what I work, This is

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what I recall, this is what I recall. Our conversation was.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, good good. I think that's it.

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Speaker 3: I think, so I said, I can't believe it's been

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a year. Oh that is something else I wanted to mention.

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law films, But even more exciting is that they are

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not just being released by Indicator in the UK. They're

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also being released in the US. They do they do

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simultaneous US UK releases for these, which is great because

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then you don't have to worry about paying import fees

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or different regions. I mean you, when they're on sale

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at Barnes and Noble, just go and buy them. Most

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of them are out of print now, at least the

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big super duper editions.

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Speaker 2: Are, which they're re releasing as sort of standard editions.

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Speaker 3: Ye. Yes, but I like those books because those books

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have then have all the written all the written extras

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from the Dutch versions which I've been trying to get rid.

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Speaker 2: Of for a long time, and they've got newly translated

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interviews sometimes in there as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, and so yeah, sometimes they're like re edited, yeah,

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and they are the new subs are different too, Yeah yeah,

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I uh will talk more about that with Jeremy obviously.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Caged Virgins a journey into the unknown and a

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study of the unspeakable things looking in the minds of beasts,

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things which might also exist in the darkest shadows of us.

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All Caged Virgins coming soon righted are.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, our first time meeting after how many years?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has been so long. I was thinking about

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that the other day. I mean I started moving the

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gutter back in like the mid two thousand. It's belaly

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like twenty years ago. It's been a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it got it has been that long.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I interviewed you for my vlog back way way

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long time ago. I don't even know if you were mine.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't. That's I wonder what I said.

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Speaker 4: A little email interview. Yeah, oh wait.

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Speaker 3: A minute, I do remember that, Yes I do. I

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was thinking, oh wait, I did an interview you over

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the phone. I don't remember speaking. I totally remember. I

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totally remember through email. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: What was it about this case?

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Speaker 3: He's about live.

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Speaker 4: Expectation, Yeah, yeah, all the stuff.

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Speaker 3: I think. The only other one I did that was

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written was Robin Boujie for Cinema Sewer and then he

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like illustrated me, and that was and that's what I'm trying.

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Speaker 4: I don't have his sounds, and.

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Speaker 3: We're trying to get him on here, and I was

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and I'm kind of like, well, once we have you on,

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can you like do an illustration of Gentry and eyes,

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so he can maybe change make an addition to the

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podcast artwork or something. Yeah, I would love it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was driving me crazy that I couldn't find

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my I had that original that's something we're a video

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vhs changed visions years ago and I don't know, it's

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just long gone. And I thought I had a digital

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copy someplace and I was looking. I don't have it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe I should ask uh Nathaniel again to

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see if he remembers, like.

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Speaker 3: What's the end of He's very good about his archiving.

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He sent me all sorts of out of print something

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weird stuff over the years, so he might still have it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I even checked their website and yeah it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's oh yeah because Novak heard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah everything changed.

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history of this is that when you get like something

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gorgeous restored from the original negative and the original French,

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you're not going to look backwards to like the American

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version that came in. It's like that's in the past.

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And I think that's kind of like gentry you one

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of your least favorite Jes Franco movies is either The

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Blood Monster or The Bloody Judge. You can't see the

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AIP version to know if that was any good or not.

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Maybe it flowed better than whatever we have now that's

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the Bloody Judge because they cut out some of the

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extraneous garbage. So but I'm tempted to know because I know.

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What I do know is that they're able to fit

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it onto a double feature tape years ago. It wasn't

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with Acts, it was maybe I don't think it was

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with Axe. It was with something else because Novak released

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two of those. So it was ATS and something else

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and then Cage versions and something else, and they were

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both movies were basically to fit onto one two hour tape.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't behind Me cut down, dude.

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Speaker 3: It might have been. It might have been. This is

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where I wish my home video knowledge was better from then.

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I just remember it being I remember it being shorter

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for sure, because I had seen the video search of

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Miami tape before then. That's that's how I was introduced

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to the film. I wish I still had that too,

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but yeah, I remember it being shorter, and for some reason,

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I remember it seems like the like the Dungeons sequences

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had a little more footage, but that might just be

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my imagination because the more lyrical stuff was kind of

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cut down, so it seemed a little more. I don't

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know the girl to the film, but yeah, that's all

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I remember. I don't I don't remember a lot of

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changes though, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Because I was thinking about, like, well, Novac likes pacing,

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so I'm like, well, is the long run through the

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field where they running towards the camera. I'm like, he

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probably would have that favorite parties run, Yes, I love them.

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I'm like, there's a difference between Barry may I letting

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the camera run. There's having people walk for Roland knows

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what he's doing when you're there's long walks, those long

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there's long runs, those long takes. He knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, and I feel like when you when you

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mess his pacing is so specific and editing. It's so

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specific to him, and when you mess with it just slightly,

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00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,920
it just kind of it kind of throws everything off. Seeah,

469
00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:38,839
I suspect that you're right that Novac probably cut a

470
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,400
lot of a lot of that early footage, which is Yeah,

471
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,079
to me, that's what that's actually I was thinking earlier.

472
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,720
I believe Requeen was the first Roland film that I

473
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,759
saw via that video search tape, because I would have

474
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,000
been in the mid nineties when I was discovering all

475
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,400
that stuff. And yeah, it was those early scenes that

476
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,839
just made me fall in love immediately with his filming.

477
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,680
I was just like, I don't know what this is.

478
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,319
I've never seen anything like this, but man, I I

479
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,240
love this. I want to find more of this stuff.

480
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:06,839
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's a good intro for you, Jeremy, Like,

481
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,279
what's your you know, your history with Lan and and

482
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,920
maybe talk about how you got involved with these indicator releases.

483
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 4: Sure, well, I discovered Relan when I was in my

484
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,839
guess early twenties and the mid nineties. It was right

485
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,400
in that period where that Book of Moral Tales had

486
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,319
come out and then Video Watchdog, you know, the early

487
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,559
video Watchdog days. That's where I discovered it. I started

488
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,480
reading my first and then I started collecting tapes and

489
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:36,240
video search of Miami and then Luminous and Midnight Video

490
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:40,759
and all those all those great companies, and yeah, I

491
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:42,920
remember it was like thirty it was nearly thirty books

492
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,920
for a tape for video Search of Miami, which was

493
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,400
big money back. I mean, it's still big money today

494
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:48,519
for for for me at.

495
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 3: Least, but uh, yeah, did you have to pay the

496
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,680
membership fee first? Did that?

497
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,799
Speaker 4: I remember? Oh god, I forgot, Oh god, the membership fee.

498
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,200
I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, pay that.

499
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 3: Membership membership to even get the catalog from them.

500
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,559
Speaker 4: And then their tapes were yes, typically they're I mean

501
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,480
they had I mean that the time you would just

502
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,960
look at those catalogs and be like, I cannot believe

503
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,400
they have all these movies. I just can't comprehend it.

504
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:13,839
And then you get the tapes and they were just

505
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,119
like most horribly dubbed, I mean poorly for you know.

506
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,599
But yeah, but that's the period I discovered him, and

507
00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:23,319
and so I I originally discovered him via those blurry,

508
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,720
you know, dubbed over tapes.

509
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, I can't remember which which commentary it was,

510
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,400
but you went into like detail about how you were

511
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,000
getting all these tapes, and I remember I was listening

512
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000
to that and I was like, I think people forget

513
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,160
how difficult this was back in the day and it

514
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,920
was me I had.

515
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 4: I had a buddy named David was into this stuff,

516
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,279
and we would like go half and half on these

517
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,759
tapes and then we would just dub a copy for

518
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,759
the other one, and we would have two copies, you know,

519
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:55,920
because I mean, I guess otherwise we wouldn't have been

520
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,000
able to afford I mean afford them, especially like videos

521
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:01,880
Search and I think mid and Night were both like

522
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,559
I mean, they were close to thirty bucks, and I

523
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:04,640
remember when the Rolan.

524
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: Midnight I think it was twenty five each. I remember.

525
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean that that was you know, that

526
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,680
was that was good. That was good money. And so yeah,

527
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:16,640
not even a pre record, yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, I

528
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,279
remember when Video Search put out the Ralan, they had

529
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,519
like plam show boxes with these you know, the artwork

530
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:24,160
whe they were just photo copy artwork and put it

531
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,480
in and then you did those little introductions. Those were

532
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,519
like thirty two or something. So anyway, yeah, but my

533
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,920
buddy and I would would go in half and half

534
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,519
and and then you would inevitably find, you know, companies

535
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:37,519
that weren't expensive, like I think there was one like

536
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:39,920
Trash Palace or something like that.

537
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: Remember Trash Palace video was also cheaper.

538
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, video screams and European trash cinema, so you know,

539
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,160
it was just a matter of like fine and stuff

540
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,079
and then going to video stores and looking in like

541
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,960
the old movie isles and trying to find like European

542
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,519
titles that had been you know, the American cuts of them.

543
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:01,519
And that's how the first time I saw like the

544
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:05,480
Edwitch Finetch Gallo movies were like those America and vhs,

545
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,680
and you know, you would just find them in the

546
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,559
store and you would just beholding them like, oh my god,

547
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:10,720
I cannot believe. You know, I'm gonna get to home

548
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,160
and go and watch this. And now you know, you're

549
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720
on you online, you find you see a movie on

550
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,480
letter box or whatever you want to see it, and

551
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,839
then five minutes later on some website finding it and

552
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,319
you're good to go. So it's a very different, very

553
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,599
different world. But I'm very jealous of the people, like

554
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,279
younger people that get to experience these types of films

555
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,359
the first time via these HD releases, like oh, yeah,

556
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,559
I mean that's just that's that mind blowing.

557
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: This film we're about to talk about, Yeah, this one

558
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:43,400
looks I think all the Indicator releases I've seen, well,

559
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,440
i've seen them all. Is I think this one benefits

560
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,440
the most from the restoration, like the gel lighting, and

561
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:53,119
this one really pops off. And I think it was

562
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,319
on the commentary for Requiema, Troy Howarth was talking about how, yeah,

563
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:01,440
those early VHS releases looked like, you know, it was faded,

564
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,359
you could hardly see any of the colors. So yeah, this,

565
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,279
this Indicator release looks pretty incredible.

566
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's funny. I remember, like, you know, I

567
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160
would get each one of those releases and each time

568
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,119
you would think, oh man, the film looks so good.

569
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,440
Now it's just the first of me, I'm like, I

570
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,079
can't believe it looks this good, and then it is

571
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,240
kind of now after the Indicator, it's like, oh okay, Yeah,

572
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:21,000
it really does.

573
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,039
Speaker 3: The brand new experience.

574
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

575
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean, and I've said this before and not to

576
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,839
sound like old Ben yells a cloud, but like, yeah,

577
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,640
y'all don't know how hard it was to see these

578
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,119
in good quality. But also I think it's very telling.

579
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,079
That's one why I see people who are new to

580
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,480
these films, these specific roll on films, and they will

581
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,640
review them and be like that was all right, and I'm.

582
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,599
Speaker 2: Like, have some respect.

583
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't know how hard it was to get

584
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,960
these looking this good. And that kind of speaks to

585
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,680
I think his cult following. Even when we were watching

586
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,400
them in some of the least appealing transfers, we still

587
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,920
knew that they were special and so that still came through.

588
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,880
My favorite, one of my favorites is still Night of

589
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,640
the Hunted, which people still I feel people still aren't

590
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,599
coming around on that, but like I cry at the

591
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,279
end of that movie.

592
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually my second or third favorite, that one.

593
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:11,920
It's right there with The Iron.

594
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: Rose, another good one.

595
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: I love that, but Night of the hunt it keeps

596
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,880
rising for me. I love that one. It's so good.

597
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, she's but to think

598
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:24,799
that that was just like I think it was just

599
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,279
it was like an experiment, like, well, I don't want

600
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:28,880
to make a sex movie. I'll make a movie with

601
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,759
these sex movie people, but just give them a chance

602
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,359
to do something and like everyone's good in it. It's

603
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,759
just and then that That's My favorite of his long walks, too,

604
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,160
is the walk away from the camera with these two

605
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,960
doomed people. It's just like it's so devastating, and I'm

606
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,200
glad that the reputation on that is is. I think

607
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,039
the reputation of that also is because it's one of

608
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:51,839
his only films that has like no real horror elements

609
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:54,519
to it. It's more of like a really weird dystopian

610
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000
almost sci fi thing, and so I feel like people

611
00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,079
were like, well, doesn't have zombies or vampires or anything

612
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,759
in it, but that's but neither does Iron Rose. Really,

613
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,720
Iron Rose is kind of like the disintegration of this

614
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,319
woman in One Night at the Cemetery, and she's amazing

615
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:11,799
in it too. So yeah, I think my favorites are

616
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:17,440
the ones that have these really incredible central women. Living

617
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Dead Girl is kind of the same way. I think

618
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,759
French ones Bar is incredible in that. But yeah, yeah,

619
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,960
long detol, long detour into raving about well, what was.

620
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: Your first casey? What was your first one that you said.

621
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,519
Speaker 3: My first, well, sacrilege, My first was this one. And

622
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:36,839
I was kind of like, this is it? Okay, this

623
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,039
is not what I was expecting because I think and

624
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:41,319
Neil and you might, yeah, you might agree with me.

625
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Is that? I mean his name was the Roland name

626
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,400
was whispered about in like hushed tones like oh he's

627
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,839
a master, Oh he's great, and you know, whispered about

628
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,640
in the same breath as people like Ourgento and Bava

629
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,240
and fool cheap. Not at all like those people at all.

630
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,400
Like no, So I think going in, you're expecting like, well,

631
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,480
I love deep red and suspiria and like you know,

632
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:04,640
and blood and black lace and stuff, and then you

633
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,480
go in to see the workman for a vampires like okay,

634
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:10,359
well there's some vampires, and you know, it's like it's

635
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,799
it's much more of like an art piece, tone poem.

636
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,880
And so it wasn't until I saw Fascination and that

637
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,480
blew me away and I was like, okay, I need

638
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,960
to go back because I think I I think I

639
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,960
kind of get what Roland is trying to do and

640
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,319
what his films are. And then I rewatched it and

641
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:30,119
I was like, oh, okay, it clicked. It just it took.

642
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,720
It took like a couple of things, and that that

643
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:34,440
Engraves of Death also kind of was like, okay, he

644
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,480
can he can do something with you know, pacing and

645
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,480
more story, but I almost prefer the ones with no story.

646
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: Really well, I don't think it helped that. You know

647
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:46,440
those Redemption releases, the way those were marketed towards the.

648
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: Well with Eileen.

649
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,359
Speaker 2: Cover art and you know some of those in you

650
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,680
know what was that notorious like Salvation or Redemption intro

651
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:56,359
with like.

652
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: Oh my god, the girls and you can go to

653
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,119
the main and then you had to sit there and

654
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,440
watch it and yeah, I remember that. It was just

655
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,000
like what is what is it? Yeah?

656
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,039
Speaker 3: That was that was again we had to deal with it.

657
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,920
It's kind of like yeah, kind of like kind of

658
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,640
like Gentry. I think Gentry was. There was something you

659
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,039
and Alex were watching. It was a Nick Millard movie

660
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:20,079
that media blasters or maybe after Hours put out and

661
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:21,920
they're like, oh, this has like new people on the cover.

662
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,799
I was like, yeah, that's how you get people in.

663
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,960
I mean in private screens. You do that too, with

664
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,799
like old seventies movies. They would slap contemporary models on

665
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,039
the VHS covers like come in, like come see this

666
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,799
new movie. Not at all, not at all. It's just

667
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,759
that that kind of hoodwinking is is a lost art form,

668
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,200
so to speak. You can't get away with that anymore.

669
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: The whole Relawn journey has been really interesting for me

670
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,119
to watch because you know, I think so I heard

671
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,519
about Ron probably in the early aughts, and it was

672
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,440
through Do you guys remember Flicker, that website It was

673
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,160
like a photo website. Yeah, the Flicker was almost like

674
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,480
a pre Tumbler in a way, so people would upload

675
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,920
like screen shots that they took screen captures, and there

676
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,840
was kind of like a little movie community on there.

677
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,440
And I had seen a bunch of Roland stuff on

678
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:21,199
Flicker from this lady in New Orleans who was like

679
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,320
obsessed with him, and she was capturing all these screenshots.

680
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,239
So that's how I heard of him. And now I

681
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,000
feel like kids are seeing him on Criterion Channel.

682
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,599
Speaker 3: You know, it's a whole collection.

683
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's wild.

684
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,199
Speaker 4: It is wild. Yeah. What was your first movie centry?

685
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:37,760
Do you remember that?

686
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

687
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,519
Speaker 2: I think mine was Grapes of Death, which I still

688
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,480
have a special place in my heart that I love that. Yeah.

689
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good entry point and that kind of

690
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,159
the beginning of the brigitte Ye're where it's like, Okay,

691
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,320
he's found a new muse you can't forget. Then it's

692
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,400
also a nice reference to Barbara Steele with the Dogs sequence.

693
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,639
Speaker 4: It's just that's just it's just just yeah, it's just

694
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,440
jaw dpping, It's just what Yeah.

695
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: Uh so how did you get involved with these indicators?

696
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,679
Speaker 4: Jeremy, Oh, I guess right before or for I guess

697
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440
several months before they announced the project, they reached out

698
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,719
to me and just ask if I'd want to be involved,

699
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,599
and I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I mean I obviously

700
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,039
I you know, i'd done that the little blog about

701
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:24,880
Roland that I'd done for quite a while, and I

702
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,840
had never had got an invite, you know, to do

703
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,000
anything on a release that uh connected the Rowlance. I

704
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:33,719
was really thrilled, and yes, I've I got three commentaries,

705
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,079
uh thrilled Vampire's Fascination, and then I just did Grapes

706
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,400
of Death. So I was I'm just yeah, I'm yeah,

707
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,760
just so incredibly honored, you know, to be involved and

708
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,119
uh to have you know, my name on those releases,

709
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,639
that's that's just incredible. I really feel like, and I

710
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:51,239
know this is it's way on the leve but I

711
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,480
just feel like when you get to have the opportunity

712
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,039
and honor to be a part of any typit of

713
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,960
release like this, you've become part of that film's history.

714
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,400
I mean, it's you become part of that film. I

715
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,400
mean maybe way down the line, but you've become part

716
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,159
of that film's pross production history, and it's to me,

717
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,119
it's just really really special, Like I just really value

718
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,920
it a lot. And yeah, so yeah, I've done the

719
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,480
commentaries and I don't know, I honestly don't know what

720
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,840
I mean. I would love if they would do some

721
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,159
more of some more of his other morphs here films,

722
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:22,960
but I'm not sure if they're going too. But yeah,

723
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:24,440
it's incredible to do.

724
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: So you don't have any you don't have anything, you

725
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,920
can any secrets drop on.

726
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,679
Speaker 3: Using the real reason we had you. We wanted to

727
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:38,239
ask you kill I will.

728
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: I will give you a little behind the scenes story

729
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,760
though that this just happened recently that I was really

730
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,119
really impressed by, just to to show you how dedicated

731
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,519
Indicator is to these releases and making them right. As

732
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,400
on my Grops of Death commentary, I had made two

733
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,199
little minor mistakes where I had misidentified a French press

734
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,360
book as German, and I had misidentified the original German title,

735
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,679
something that most listeners would probably not even pick up

736
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,679
on or recognize, but they realized it and they contacted

737
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:08,000
me and they said, hey, realize you made these minor errors.

738
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:09,559
Do you want to like patch it up? And they

739
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:10,519
gave me that opportunity.

740
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: Wait, you're saying that they actually reviewed your comments caught it.

741
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: They caught I was so impressed because.

742
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: They're not listening to them before they published them.

743
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,039
Speaker 4: Well, I've never had anything like that I've done. I

744
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,480
haven't done as many of these as you know a

745
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,679
lot of my peers, but but the ones I've done,

746
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,039
I've never had anybody. Yeah, I've done. I mean I've

747
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:33,519
done more than I've ever thought that i'd get a

748
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,480
chance to, for sure, But I've never had a company

749
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,519
reach out to me and say, hey, you messed up

750
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,199
here and you want to fix it. And I was

751
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,960
so appreciative. Not so much because I mean, it was

752
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,639
just it was just two little mistakes. It wasn't so

753
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,559
much that I would, you know, like run into the

754
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,480
woods hiding, but just that they caught it and their

755
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,760
thatad dedicated to making sure these releases are right. And

756
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,440
I really think you can see it in the booklets

757
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,599
that are with the dom editions. They're so detailed and sourced,

758
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:58,880
and I mean you can really tell this as a

759
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,079
company trying to get it right. So yeah, I've I've

760
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,840
had nothing to positive experiences with Indicator and yeah, and

761
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,079
they invited me back, which was awesome. Like typically I'll

762
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,000
work with a company and that I won't hear anything.

763
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: Again, that's crazy to me.

764
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,159
Speaker 4: But yeah, but no, Indicator has been great. The Indicator

765
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,119
and Cult Epics of the two that keep reaching out.

766
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,440
Of course, Cult Epics publish my books, so that's a

767
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:23,280
whole different thing.

768
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: Well, I keep waiting for a Lamarge with the Jeremy

769
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,760
Richie commentary.

770
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: Honestly, that would because maybe that would that'll be my

771
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,480
that's actually my dream, like dream or to do anything videos,

772
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:40,199
I mean connected, the Lamarge would be Yeah, I mean,

773
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,000
I'm just I'm so glad that people are finally able

774
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,719
to see it, like the Criterion and the important you know.

775
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,800
I've contacted Daniel Bert Bird a few times, you know,

776
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,599
trying to see like if he's got an the info

777
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:55,039
on like a possible US release, but nothing as yet.

778
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,480
It seems to me it's like an ideal thing for Criterion.

779
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,159
But yeah, I don't I don't think, Yeah.

780
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's too erotic or something. I mean,

781
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,559
it's I think it's I had never seen it until

782
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,960
the criter in collection. I've had a DVDR copy for

783
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,320
years and I downloaded. But I finally was like, oh,

784
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,960
I'll watch this since it's here, and that was I

785
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,960
will admit I'm not the biggest Sylvia Cristell fan. I

786
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:19,920
was really blown away by her in that movie, and

787
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,519
I was like, this is what she was capable of,

788
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,360
Like I want to see more of like this level

789
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,079
of Sylvia Crystal and then I but then I got

790
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,320
mad because then I was like, why didn't people give

791
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,320
her more to do like this? But that happens a lot.

792
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,000
I get mad about people, about people not giving women

793
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:40,119
an ex exploitation work. We talk about that on the

794
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,239
pod all the time. I'm like, I'm so mad at

795
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,079
these people fifty years ago.

796
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,159
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I got a four. I mean, this

797
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,440
is totally unrelated to anything, but Casey, I wanted to

798
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,519
tell you that, like, amongst the recent home video releases

799
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,519
and really like of all time, the Roommate's box set

800
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,760
that finally came out, that you're all over with those

801
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,719
old features. I mean that to me one of the

802
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,480
most special things. I mean, I waited for years for

803
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,039
that and like to have it on. I mean to

804
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:07,920
have it an HD and I finally have your work

805
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,760
with Veronica and Kelly. I mean that. I just wanted

806
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,639
to say, I'm so happy that that's finally out. And man,

807
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,119
anytime I see your name on her release, anytime I

808
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:17,639
see your name on a release, I want to get

809
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,039
that release, because I mean, you were the man as

810
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,159
far as like adult history goes. And yeah, I mean

811
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,039
so I appreciate that.

812
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,039
Speaker 3: I try to get involved as much. And usually the

813
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:26,880
stuff that I get involved with is stuff that I

814
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,280
want to be involved with, So like if I'm involved

815
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,679
with it, it's typically a sign of quality. Like I'm not,

816
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,159
for example, I'm not on the Debuta's Dallas release. I

817
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:38,079
wonder why. So yeah, yeah, like there's stuff that I'm like,

818
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,760
i'll pass thanks, But that one that was one that

819
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,199
I wanted to get Samantha Fox for and unfortunately she

820
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,960
passed away. I still have voicemails from her when I

821
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,639
invited her to the screening where that Q and A

822
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,199
was and her New York accent to come back, and

823
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,519
I really wanted to include those on the release, just

824
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:55,800
so people knew that she was around and they knew

825
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,320
what she sounded like more recently before she passed away,

826
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,599
because it was really we played phone tag for years

827
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:04,239
after that screening. We just never got to talk and

828
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,800
never got to meet. But yeah, I appreciate incredible. Oh yeah,

829
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
that's great. I mean, I bet that's just an amazing

830
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:14,559
memory for you. I that's that screening.

831
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,559
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, that was that's really It's just great that

832
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,679
it was captured on tape and yeah that's preserved. So

833
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,320
sorry to interrupt everything. I just know I want to

834
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,480
let you know, and we congratulations you both on the

835
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,159
Bunny Yeager. I'm so excited about that. I'm absolutely going

836
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:30,679
to get that.

837
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, check it out. We're just asking about that

838
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,480
in our on our little intro that we did before

839
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,000
you came on, we kind of announced that to everybody.

840
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:39,960
So I'm stoked for it.

841
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 4: I love her and uh yeah, I love that period

842
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,679
and I've never seen those, so yeah, I'm really excited about.

843
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:51,079
Speaker 3: They're fun for Barry Mahon movies, they're fun. I went

844
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:55,800
in and actually the restorations we mentioned the restorations of them.

845
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,440
The one nude camera completely changed my opinion on it.

846
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,039
I was like, I remember just being really boring, but

847
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,800
it's most of it is restored from a sixteen little

848
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,920
meter codochrome original camera original, so it like really pops

849
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,960
and so the color is good, and yeah it's I mean, yeah,

850
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,960
you get to see Bunny and Bud, which is great,

851
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,440
you know, and their relationship. So yeah, I'm really excited

852
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,519
about that release, just even if I wasn't involved to

853
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,840
be like, Okay, let's let's get the Bunny Aigger renaissance going,

854
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,639
because you know, the Doctor just came out.

855
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, that's great, It's fantastic. Yeah, I love it.

856
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: Some places possess an evil of their own, where the

857
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,880
air is thick with the shrieks of tortured souls, where

858
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,880
the earth tries to swallow every trace of those foolish

859
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:44,159
mortals who dare trespass such a place. Is this forgotten chateau,

860
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,760
For it is the domain of monstrous creatures more dead

861
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,559
than alive, get craved, walking corpses that perish with the sun,

862
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,480
then rise again each night to ravish young maidens and

863
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:57,639
a lust of blood.

864
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we kind of talked about our favorites,

865
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,440
but where does this sit like nowadays? For you guys,

866
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:08,400
what do you think about Requiem, because let me just

867
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,280
go first, Like, personally, I didn't love it at first either,

868
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,360
but every time I watch it, I kind of liked

869
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,039
it a little bit more. I don't know if.

870
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 4: Well for me, like I said, I think, if my

871
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,960
memory serves, it was the film that introduced me to

872
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:21,599
roll On. I think it was the first video search

873
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,440
tape that I ever got, and so it's always had

874
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:26,639
kind of a very special place to me. I have

875
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:29,039
to admit, though, like as the years have gone by,

876
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,800
films like nine to one hundred and Iron Rows and

877
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:35,760
Grapes of Death too. I Groups of Death is one

878
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,760
of my absolute favorites. I've those films have kind of

879
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,800
gone more to the top of the list. It's a

880
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Requiem sort of fallen down. But I would say Requiem'

881
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,320
still top five, top six or so. I mean, it's

882
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,000
still one of my favorites for sure.

883
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

884
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it has aged really well because I

885
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,719
have been doing a long term lener box rewatching of

886
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,679
all the of all the something weird stuff, and so

887
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,800
I was in the Novak the Novaks yeah category of

888
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,719
the catalog, and so I was making my way through

889
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,519
and I think it's probably right now I think it's

890
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,599
like a top five release that he handled for me.

891
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen your list of the Novak linking.

892
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,360
I always know I don't think you should even include it.

893
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,159
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I definitely am because of anything that

894
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:20,679
he actually legitimately released, I will anything that he claims

895
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,840
he released is a little IFFI for me to include.

896
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,119
But he definitely handled this. I mean, you know he

897
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:28,000
handled it. As you've noted, well into the eighties, it

898
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,360
was getting theatrical play, which is crazy when you think

899
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,719
about how very seventies this film is. Yeah, there is nothing.

900
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,480
It's not like a period piece vampire film, where you

901
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,119
could see maybe that would something that feels a little

902
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:43,840
more timeless. This doesn't feel timeless. It feels very over time.

903
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. I really love. It's got that really post hippie

904
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,320
freak kind of feel about it. It's got that. I mean,

905
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,239
it is very specific to its time. And I was

906
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,599
reading your notes Centry and I didn't know it had

907
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:57,400
played up until the mid eighties in some spots, And

908
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,599
I mean that's crazy to me, Like I can't imagine

909
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:03,679
stumbling into a drive through yeah, and seeing that in

910
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:05,519
the mid eighties, just unexpectedly with.

911
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure there were kids that were like sick of

912
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,440
seeing this film at their drive in at some point,

913
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,880
or like I've seen this one and like five times.

914
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 4: Get over. I uploaded a photo earlier to the docs

915
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,079
that I was because I was curious about where it

916
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:21,119
had played in Kentucky, and it actually played on a

917
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,760
couple of double bills with the Stars Born at a

918
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,679
theater in Glasgow, Kentucky, the nineteen seventy six version. There's

919
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:28,119
an ad at first star is Born and in the

920
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:33,079
corner it says, yeah, plus second screening caged virgins.

921
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: So I could see Pony Castele and barbaras reisand on the.

922
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 4: Same yeah, which to me is pretty epic.

923
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,039
Speaker 3: I mean, I prefer I prefer Pony, I love, but

924
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,639
give me Pony. I love the Castle Sisters. Yeah I

925
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,039
do too.

926
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

927
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: I think that was another thing too, that like the

928
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,440
cast of this I just in Pony Castele, I just

929
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,000
you know, even though it was just turned this one,

930
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,119
it was soon after that that I saw the two

931
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:58,400
of them and it was just they were just so

932
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,760
they're still so evocative and oh yeah fun, and I

933
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,960
like I was I was actually watching her Kliem this morning,

934
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:08,239
just as I was kind of reading some notes and

935
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,719
stuff and or had it on, and I just look

936
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,719
up and she just had the sweetest face, and just

937
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,199
there's just a real charm to those kind of early

938
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,599
erotic moments in the film. They're just so playful. And

939
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:21,320
I love the shot where she comes around the corner

940
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,480
to the like the food truck or whatever that looks like.

941
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,079
And I'm just I don't know, it's just so nobody

942
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,519
else been Roland would. It's just so bizarre perfect.

943
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: I think that's why he liked them so much, the twins,

944
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,320
because they could be like, you know, innocent and sexual

945
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,119
at the same time.

946
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,039
Speaker 3: It was never really, yes, it was never. It doesn't

947
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:43,480
come off.

948
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: As vulgar, and which totally doesn't. That's not Land's mode,

949
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,760
but which is also weird because then you know, if

950
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,920
you deep dive enough and you see hard you know

951
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:57,480
Verland's hardcore stuff, then you see her and it's like, wait,

952
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:58,920
what are you doing here, pony?

953
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be doing well. I just keep thinking about

954
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,079
how odd that must have been for him. After working

955
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,119
with them in softcore. I don't ever see Whelan having

956
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:11,000
like a fatherly attitude towards any of the women he

957
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:12,960
worked with. It really felt like more of like a

958
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,920
like I mean, like a protector vibe, you know, or

959
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,960
like he liked collaborating with them because he they understood

960
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,000
each other. I think Brigitte was like a big example

961
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:23,960
of that too. But also the same thing. He shot

962
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,559
Brigitte in Hardcore and then and then gave her opportunities

963
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,599
in his standard release films. But it is to just

964
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,719
make me wonder, like, what is that mindset where you're

965
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,880
gonna see these people that you've worked with and directed

966
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,320
in acting and now you have to kind of direct

967
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,000
quote unquote them while they're having sex on camera. I

968
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:42,119
don't know that transition.

969
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's all these those stories that you know,

970
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,639
he didn't direct the hardcore scenes, so maybe those were

971
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,159
the scenes he walked away from and let someone else

972
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,960
take care of because he maybe couldn't do it emotionally.

973
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

974
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: Well he I mean he seemed like a very sensitive guy,

975
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,719
and you can kind of tell from the films. I

976
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,400
think there's a sensitivity there for him as a filmmaker,

977
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,239
and even in the interviews, I think he's pretty he's

978
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,679
a very sensitive person. So that that's what I think

979
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:08,519
about in terms of in terms of his work, where

980
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:11,599
it's like how he already kind of had issues making

981
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:13,480
these films just because they weren't what he wanted to

982
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,280
be doing, but then to be working with people that

983
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,880
he liked working with and collaborating on non hardcore stuff

984
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,840
and now he I mean, did he feel like they

985
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,159
were having to slum along with him? Like yeah, I

986
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,039
don't know if he ever want on record about that,

987
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:27,280
but it always made me wonder.

988
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I agree. There there's the sensitivity to his films,

989
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,519
and there's a there's a level of respect too that

990
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,280
I sense, like I really feel like he had a

991
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,360
respect for the people that he worked with. And uh, yeah,

992
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,719
I said, that's a good that's a good question. I

993
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,440
wonder too how it felt when they because he obviously,

994
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,320
you know, the hardcore films, what they weren't what he

995
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,920
really wanted to be doing at the time. You know,

996
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,000
they were more of a financial thing. And yeah, it's

997
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,840
I don't know. It must have been bizarre though, for

998
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,679
the people that he'd worked with previously to suddenly be like, Okay,

999
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,159
now we're we're doing this.

1000
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean with Brigitte at least, like you know, she

1001
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,960
started and she was doing hardcore before she met Jean,

1002
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,679
so that's different. You know. I feel like, you know,

1003
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,360
the Castell sisters, I don't think that they were as

1004
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,719
far as I know, No.

1005
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 4: I don't believe so, so I think they were just models,

1006
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,360
right yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was Yeah, it

1007
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,079
was more towards the mid seven Yeah, a few years

1008
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,280
after Recreem that I think they did.

1009
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,079
Speaker 2: I think Tony had said like they had done like dancing,

1010
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,760
you know, like you know, strip maybe some stripping and

1011
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,519
stuff like that. But yeah, I don't think that they

1012
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,719
had done like hardcore movies before.

1013
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 4: But I remember the first time that I saw one

1014
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,239
of their hard some of their hardcore, and it was bizarre,

1015
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,199
like it just really grew me, like kind of like

1016
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,920
you said earlier, I was just like, wow, this feels

1017
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,119
really like I'm I don't know, it was bizarre.

1018
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: It's still.

1019
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,119
Speaker 4: I love them so much in these films and I

1020
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,400
and not that I look obviously, and Casey knows this.

1021
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,760
I would never I don't look down on people in

1022
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,159
hardcorels about me. I love them dearly, but I it's

1023
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:58,280
just so bizarre seeing that the Jets position is weird, right.

1024
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think because when you think, I mean, I

1025
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,239
think I think you and I are similar, and there

1026
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,840
are other people that are similar. It's like, well, we

1027
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:08,840
don't see women who make these films as porn stars.

1028
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,239
We see them as women, and we see them as people,

1029
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,599
and so it's like there's a story there of why

1030
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:16,679
they did it, and so everyone's story is different. But

1031
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,599
with the Castel sisters, it makes you wonder, like we

1032
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,519
know that for one of them their life did not

1033
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,119
end well, and then the other one they've actually both

1034
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:26,639
kind of had hard lives, but one passed before the other,

1035
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,719
and so it doesn't make you think, like I feel

1036
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,239
like maybe they didn't want to be doing this and

1037
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,840
they had to. It's very difficult from talking like Veronica Heart,

1038
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,079
where it was an intentional decision. Oh sure, you know,

1039
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,320
Kelly Nichols, Samantha Fox roommates intentional decisions, and the Castels,

1040
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,760
of course an intentional decision, but also just kind of like,

1041
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,280
but why.

1042
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is the reason you read about the

1043
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,760
actresses in that period who stopped acting because they didn't

1044
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,199
want to do it, you know, and some that I

1045
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,519
worked to roll on early on, and yeah, it's yeah,

1046
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:57,199
you wonder about the ramificage for the people that didn't

1047
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,079
want to be signed on that just felt like to

1048
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,039
keep working, which is really that's what I came down to.

1049
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:04,760
It's changing up times in the industry.

1050
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 2: But right, yeah, the French, yeah, the French. Yeah, film

1051
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,800
industry is just like moving. You know when when when

1052
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,920
porn opened up for the theaters, Yeah, it was like

1053
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,760
you got to get on board.

1054
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: Or I saw I saw some astounding I can't remember

1055
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,159
where it was. Something I read the other like an

1056
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:23,800
astounding statistic about how many adult films were made in

1057
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,519
France in a certain period, and it was just like

1058
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,599
this mind blowing number, and it's like, oh, I've got

1059
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:30,880
a ways to go. I mean, there's a lot of

1060
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,000
these films out there. You know. It's just wild how

1061
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:35,639
much it was, how profitable it was.

1062
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, until they yeah, until they started taxing it, and

1063
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,519
it was like ghettoized and pretty much killed it. Yeah, yeah,

1064
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:43,400
killed the industry.

1065
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: I focus on specific directors when it comes to the

1066
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,280
French adult stuff, and so like Claude Mulo, who didn't

1067
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,760
really make that many and then you realize, oh, there

1068
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,599
are all these other directors who made tons of stuff

1069
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:56,800
that I've never seen, and probably never will because they

1070
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,840
just made it one after the other. American hardcore is

1071
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,480
of some same way. It's like, you know, Doniano didn't

1072
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,599
make that many compared to someone like Leonard Kurtman.

1073
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,199
Speaker 4: And I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure this is your influence, Casey,

1074
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,079
but I'm just I mean with directors, I'm the same way.

1075
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,159
That's really how I start with, Like I'll find a

1076
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,880
director and if I and then I want to like

1077
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:18,199
work on that director, Like Mulah is a great example.

1078
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,239
Like I've been trying to collect all those things. Yeah,

1079
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,280
it's they're they're incredible. Yeah, I mean they're just so

1080
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,719
beautifully photographed, and the act actors are amazing. And speaking

1081
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,400
of there's a I don't know if you guys have

1082
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,199
the films of Marilyn Jess's book from Pulse, but there's

1083
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,920
a great chapter about her work with Ralan one of

1084
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,440
the el films that he made in there that kind

1085
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,920
of talks about his involvement on the set and and

1086
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:44,559
what he was like on the set and uh yeah,

1087
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,000
and it kind of felt like reading the descriptions, it

1088
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:49,039
was the same as on the software sets as far

1089
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,159
as like how protected he was and how kind and

1090
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,239
just again the level of respect. It didn't really seem like, well,

1091
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,599
I don't want to name any names, but there are

1092
00:52:56,599 --> 00:53:00,280
certain you know, there's certain male directors throughout the years

1093
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,639
you haven't been you know, as respect.

1094
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Malon's getting some stuff put out. I know who

1095
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,199
put out since Oh made Micabo put out since of

1096
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,800
the Flesh, which I watched recently, and I think someone

1097
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,079
we need.

1098
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: We need pussy talk, we need like sexecu par we

1099
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:22,280
absolutely need made we avect blah blah blahs a Bourbon Street,

1100
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,760
which I just that's another one. Distri Picks has that

1101
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,559
and Bill Lustig has been begging them to put it

1102
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:33,239
out for maybe a decade now we haven't.

1103
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,199
Speaker 4: I just saw that movie for the time for years ago.

1104
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,320
I mean it was like my favorite film that year

1105
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,199
that I saw, Like I love that film that I

1106
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,679
was totally blown away by it.

1107
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: It's just absolutely haunting. The whole movie centered around all

1108
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,519
these women in a cemetery and their voices, the voices

1109
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,360
like this is this is a hardcore film, like this

1110
00:53:56,519 --> 00:54:00,880
is this is made for sexually sexually these audiences, and

1111
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,199
it's like and it ends with this haunting, this haunting

1112
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,159
moans of these voices from the cemetery. I'm just like,

1113
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,800
this is uh, this is something really special. This is

1114
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,840
not this is not arousing in the least, but masterpiece.

1115
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,639
And that's because it's muloh you know.

1116
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know Distribute Picks had that. That's incredible.

1117
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:22,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have the original US negative. Stephen like, yeah,

1118
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,239
because the version I've seen is the Alpha France version.

1119
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,280
I think that's cut, so I haven't ever seen it.

1120
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:31,079
I've only seen it with missing footage.

1121
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 4: And those Alpha France releases are so frustrating because they

1122
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,519
they did the mess What they released is beautiful and restored,

1123
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:39,679
but then they cut and I'm just like, why why

1124
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:39,960
are you.

1125
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:43,039
Speaker 3: It's not VHS. You don't have to fit it onto

1126
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:44,079
a two hours.

1127
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 4: I don't get it.

1128
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,599
Speaker 3: We have to a layer DVDs. Now you can. You

1129
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:48,199
can do this.

1130
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 4: This is fun and people are interested in these films outside,

1131
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,519
you know, I mean historians and I yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

1132
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,239
I'm so grateful for all of the stuff that's coming out, though, like, uh,

1133
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,159
on the messuline side, and I'm probably mist I'm sorry,

1134
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:03,800
but I'm.

1135
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,079
Speaker 2: Just like even Stephen mispronounces it. Don't worry.

1136
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything but yeah, I mean it's every time there's

1137
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,440
a new announcement on that side, immediate I'm just like,

1138
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:16,239
oh my god, what's this going to be because they're

1139
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,320
just I just never thought I would see these films

1140
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,719
looking not like they came out of a garbage can

1141
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,800
you know. I mean, that's just really it's just great.

1142
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,800
It's just great, right.

1143
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: And then on the alternate on the alternate side, then

1144
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,000
it's kind of like I basically I have a I

1145
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:35,440
have a case of DVDs that are either VHS rips

1146
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,760
or from old out of print DVDs, and I'm like, okay,

1147
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:41,920
side of these titles still need to be restored, so

1148
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,800
you want to look this way. I want everything to

1149
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,840
look this gorgeous. It's just not going to happen. So yeah,

1150
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
but it makes me very grateful for what we do have.

1151
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:53,519
When it does happen, I'm like, Okay, good, now people

1152
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:55,599
can see how good these movies are. Yeah.

1153
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: Sometimes we bitch on this podcast about stuff that's not me.

1154
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes every day I was like, you're passionate about it.

1155
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:06,239
We want and we want and you know what it is.

1156
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:11,079
It's also we want more people to experience the joy

1157
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:14,599
that we do and have access to these films because

1158
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,599
if we love it this much, this makes us feel

1159
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,880
this happy to experience it as film lovers, then you

1160
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:22,400
will too if we could, just if you could have

1161
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:23,199
access to it.

1162
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get. I just get so excited about because

1163
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,800
I right now, I'm like being introduced to so many

1164
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,519
films that I've never seen before and new directors that

1165
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,400
have not heard of, and I mean it's exciting. Like

1166
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,559
I've been trying to, like, you know, watch from some

1167
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:39,239
different countries that I'm just trying to branch out because

1168
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,880
I'm getting more and more freaked out by like our

1169
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,440
current political environment. And i just feel like eventually they're

1170
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,519
going to start coming for art and you know, and

1171
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:49,760
they already.

1172
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,679
Speaker 3: Had someone tell us that, Yeah, who was it. I

1173
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,239
think John Charles told us that. He was like, I

1174
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,960
support everything because I'm afraid that it's going to go away,

1175
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,599
and I want to support every release because I'm afraid

1176
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:02,440
that it's something's gonna happen. I'm like, you're not wrong.

1177
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 4: I have the same fear. I'm really scared. Yeah, So

1178
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:07,960
right now, I'm just like every time something gets restored,

1179
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,079
I'm just like, Okay, yes, there's we've got that one,

1180
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,559
you know, so let's just keep Yeah.

1181
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a healthier mindset. Gentry should probably

1182
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:19,360
do that. That's way healthier than losing our minds that were.

1183
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: Like where is Where's Yeah, I do the same thing.

1184
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,320
It gets me so, especially, I guess because Criterion is

1185
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,760
supposed to be the the label of like important films

1186
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,199
and just some I mean, I mean, I know not

1187
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:33,880
all of the announcements are going to be personally for me,

1188
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,639
but some of them, I'm just like, what what is

1189
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:39,280
this for? Yeah? Who is this for? Why is the

1190
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,400
major studio that released it? Not just putting it out?

1191
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,559
Speaker 2: Why it's for it's for somebody that's gonna buy it

1192
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:45,559
no matter what, just so that they can have all

1193
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,119
the numbered spines on it. Yeah.

1194
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I can't be like that anymore. I used

1195
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,719
to be like that with something Weird and vinegar Syndrome,

1196
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:54,960
and I was like, you know what, there's just too

1197
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:56,800
much stuff. I'm never I'm not gonna like or ever

1198
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,159
watch again. And Space is at a premium and I

1199
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,760
have budget myself.

1200
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:01,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1201
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of drives me crazy those numbers because

1202
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,840
I'm I'm not a collector, but I'm o c D.

1203
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:09,679
So when I have, like I like my I've got

1204
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:11,760
I can kind of see my Radiance releases from here,

1205
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,119
and I can see that they're not They're not all there,

1206
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,159
and it kind of crazy, but yeah, but it is

1207
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:19,960
what it is. I'm broken. I don't have the money

1208
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:20,440
for you.

1209
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,199
Speaker 3: Know, well, the Indicator rollans are like that, Like I

1210
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,519
like the numbers of the Indicator rows. There are still

1211
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,880
something I need. Yeah, yeah, No, They're not all going

1212
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,119
to be in the same order, but I can at

1213
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,679
least put them together in that sequence of sequence.

1214
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:36,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love those boxes.

1215
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:37,519
Speaker 4: They're just so cool.

1216
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, gorgeous, so great.

1217
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember which they were, but Jeremy, do

1218
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,320
you have the first couple of boxes they put out

1219
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,920
that are a little taller than the other ones? Uh,

1220
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,559
do you know what I'm talking about?

1221
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm looking up at them right now.

1222
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:53,760
I think actually my Thrill of the Vampires looks a

1223
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,079
little taller up there. I don't know if that was

1224
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:58,039
one of the first ones or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1225
00:58:58,119 --> 00:58:58,639
that's funny.

1226
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: I think it was.

1227
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,159
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, at the same time, so we were talking

1228
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:05,119
about like I think we should just be I don't

1229
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,280
know how these are selling. You know, I'm not in

1230
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,400
tune with the Indicators marketing well, but yeah, we should

1231
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,840
just be happy that they're putting this much like effort

1232
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,519
and money and yeah, you know, I have a friend

1233
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,159
that I talked to about Rolan as well, and she's

1234
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,719
always complaining about how slow Indicator is to put these

1235
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,280
things out, and I'm just like, yeah, sure they might

1236
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,280
be funding each release based on the last release, because

1237
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,199
that's just how they have to operate, but they'll just

1238
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,679
be happy they're being put out.

1239
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:38,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. I never I'm always mystified by what's going

1240
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:40,440
on behind the scenes at these companies and how many

1241
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,119
copies are actually selling and how they managed to keep going,

1242
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,440
and it's just it's just a mystery to me, like

1243
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,960
even I mean I've seen a little bit behind the scenes,

1244
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:51,880
you know, with my publisher and so forth, but yeah,

1245
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,480
it's just it's completely baffling to me, Like I'm so

1246
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:56,239
grateful when they managed to keep going.

1247
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:01,159
Speaker 3: Well, I'm also thinking about I don't know, because if

1248
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:05,679
you're restoring these for UHD for four K, which honestly,

1249
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:10,000
I never thought I would have relent on these because

1250
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,119
it's been a thing for years that the elements aren't

1251
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:13,719
in great shape. This is the best we're going to get.

1252
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,599
So we really have seen it grow from these horrible

1253
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:21,800
official they were official technically video starts of Miami teams

1254
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,960
and then all the way to the UHD. So some

1255
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:28,440
of us have been around for this entire this entire

1256
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,800
period where we've been able to see this massive glow up.

1257
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:35,880
But I can't imagine that getting those restorations to four

1258
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:41,119
K are like quickly done. I don't imagine. I think

1259
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:42,480
there's a lot of work that has to be done

1260
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:44,199
for some of these, and there's some that we might

1261
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,400
never get on four K. I think Sidewalks of Bangkok

1262
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,960
is one that I'm as attempt to get excited about.

1263
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:51,559
I'm dying to see it because I think Rolan has

1264
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,719
raved about the Asian star of that, the actress in that,

1265
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,639
and so I'm dying to see it because everything I've

1266
01:00:57,639 --> 01:00:59,880
read about it has been great. But yeah, the Redemption

1267
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:01,800
things out of print, and I don't think it ever

1268
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:02,360
came out.

1269
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:04,679
Speaker 4: On Blu Ray, No, I don't think it is.

1270
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,159
Speaker 3: So yeah, I love that. Yeah, so that makes me

1271
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:11,360
nervous that there's nothing there to use, but or maybe

1272
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,719
it is further down the line, because it is not

1273
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:18,159
a like a Dynamite Rolant title that everyone knows it's.

1274
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,039
It's kind of it's not a horror title.

1275
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking maybe they could group like that

1276
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,199
one and Lost to New York some of those. Maybe

1277
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:29,559
they could group a couple of those together just as

1278
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,719
a just as a Blu ray release, maybe even if

1279
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:34,679
they can't get a UHD out of it yet. I don't,

1280
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,719
I mean Lost in New York I think was shot on.

1281
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,199
I don't think we shot but I don't. I don't.

1282
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:42,880
I don't see them getting that restored for any four K,

1283
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:43,440
I don't.

1284
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1285
01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 4: Right, So, but I really like those those weird eighties

1286
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,199
films that he made, I mean, are really they're part

1287
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:52,880
of his story too, you know, so I hope they

1288
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:53,360
keep going.

1289
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: But I have no idea, right, Yeah, I agree? What

1290
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,360
about Zombie Lake? Do you think Indicator is going to

1291
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:59,800
put that out?

1292
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: I thought the rights are still with Image or Keino

1293
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:04,360
on that, are they not?

1294
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't know put that out ray?

1295
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 4: I remember I had a buddy uh he was actually

1296
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,199
the cousin of my movie buddy Dave, and he just

1297
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,519
loved Zombie Lake like he would just go on and on.

1298
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:18,360
And I know Zombie Lake has like these fans, they

1299
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,000
just they just love it. They just love that. And

1300
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:24,639
I just, man, that's that's one film I've tried. I mean,

1301
01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:26,719
I've watched it and I'm just I just sit there like,

1302
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,840
oh my god, I can't that. And there was another

1303
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,960
one that company put out right around that time that

1304
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,639
I've got the soundtracks and soundtracks are weird as all.

1305
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,760
But but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I just remember mine.

1306
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: I think they should. I bet it'll probably sell better

1307
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,960
than all the others, you know, I probably will.

1308
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't hate Zombie Lake. I just I mean,

1309
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,480
if you're gonna watch an underwater zombie movie, Shockwaves is

1310
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,840
is just stick with Shockwaves. Shockwaves is a masterpiece compared

1311
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:56,000
to this.

1312
01:02:56,239 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Shockwaves have Howard Vernon, I don't think so.

1313
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: Amazing. Yeah, and Peter Cushing, who's amazing.

1314
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. People complain about Roland's films being slow, but

1315
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,239
but Zombieke actually is to me, Zombie Lake is actually slow,

1316
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,079
Like I mean, it's people complain about other Rollan's other films,

1317
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,199
but they're not slow to me or Zombie Lake to

1318
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,119
me is I just yeah, it feels it.

1319
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,679
Speaker 2: There's lots of discussions in that like office room. I

1320
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,039
remember in Zombie Lake there's just like lots of talking.

1321
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: I love the history behind I mean, I love the

1322
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,000
idea that both Rolan and Franco worked on it in

1323
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,679
some capacity and I mean that's that's wild.

1324
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean but such a different filmmakers.

1325
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god.

1326
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:38,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1327
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned like full She and Argento earlier. I

1328
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,119
mean that's how it was like in the nineties when

1329
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:45,239
we started. You know, there were these like directors that

1330
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,920
would come up and you would start collecting these tapes

1331
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,159
and then like like the Italians were similar, like you

1332
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,159
could get a real vibe for them, like Argentina and

1333
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:55,000
foul Chi and the music, and but then you discover

1334
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,880
somebody like Rolan and then it would just be completely

1335
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,920
something completely different and brit So you would have to

1336
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:01,599
just yeah.

1337
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:06,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think only recently people have figured out Lawn

1338
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:08,760
Like for the longest time is like, wait, is he

1339
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:09,760
a horror director?

1340
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:10,599
Speaker 1: You know?

1341
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: Is he a vampire movie maker? He's not really any

1342
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,159
of those, you know, Yeah.

1343
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:18,559
Speaker 4: No, I never I never, like, I never described him

1344
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:20,480
as a horror I mean I know he made I mean,

1345
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,199
Grapes of Death is I mean pretty close. I mean

1346
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:25,079
it's a it's a horror film and close.

1347
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: It's probably his most commercial esque film, right, I mean

1348
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,840
it's not his least rolland esque whatever that means. I

1349
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,360
keep hearing that a lot, but yeah, it feels more

1350
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,599
commercial than his other stuff.

1351
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but I yeah, I just his films are

1352
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:41,360
just genre on films to me, Like I don't, I

1353
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,880
don't know, it's just hard to yeah, kind of like

1354
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,119
a Lane World Roulet, like his films, like you just

1355
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,119
they're just so specific to him.

1356
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:52,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, another Immoral Tales director.

1357
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I keep going back to that book. But

1358
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:58,039
that book was just important to me to Yeah, it

1359
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:01,480
just introduced every I mean every hear everybody mentioning that book.

1360
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,159
I mean it was like just so important.

1361
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a LAS and that was my introduction

1362
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,559
to that too. That's so it took years for me

1363
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,239
to see Violation of Sin until Aero put it out

1364
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:15,599
and I'd seen that that still for years. You know,

1365
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,960
the woman, the woman and the horse and yeah, that

1366
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:19,840
one's going to be crazy, right, And I watched it,

1367
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,880
I was like, no, this is actually like this is

1368
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,559
such a great It has such great tone to it

1369
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:27,920
and such great Yeah, it's I love that movie.

1370
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 4: I hope I hope that young people discovering these films

1371
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,960
still like I hope they still see stoles like that

1372
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:36,559
that they like that they think, oh my god, what

1373
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,559
is that? Is that an actual movie that was made?

1374
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:41,199
And I need to you know, I mean, because I

1375
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,960
remember that you would just see images and be like, wow,

1376
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:47,480
that looks just like something that's not even possible that

1377
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,440
was made. But there is the Beast, the brock checks

1378
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,400
for the Beast. I remember singing this from that and

1379
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:56,519
just being like Jesus Christ, what what is this?

1380
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean and sometimes it lives up to

1381
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,199
it and sometimes it but that's part of the journey.

1382
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: Right well. I feel like Rolan has a lot of

1383
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,559
films like that, where like you'll see one still and

1384
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:08,159
be like, oh, I have to see this. We'll obviously

1385
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,519
in fascination I think is one. I think that Fresois

1386
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:17,440
Bouchard with her bloody fingers on the piano is another.

1387
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,159
Speaker 2: Well, and from Mequham is the Muriel in the Doug

1388
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:25,519
Gray of that image of her kind of splay out

1389
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:26,400
like her.

1390
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 4: I like her a lot too. By the way, I

1391
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,559
don't know about her, but she I think she's just

1392
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:33,639
great in this film. And yeah, I really yeah, she's

1393
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:34,760
just really charming too.

1394
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,199
Speaker 2: She's the clown girl.

1395
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very well matched. They're very well matched. I

1396
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,559
think the casting is really good. They really go well together. Yeah,

1397
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:45,400
if it wasn't going to be the twins, I think

1398
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,800
it's I think. And also that's something interesting I always

1399
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,679
like about I like when he cast the twins. But

1400
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,760
I still I like the idea of the two girls,

1401
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,920
you know, I like, oh yeah, you know, and I

1402
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,840
think that's age really well too. I think, you know,

1403
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:58,199
in terms of viewing movies in like twenty twenty six,

1404
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,639
where it's kind of like women supporting win. So it's

1405
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:03,920
like there's always a girl there helping there's always two

1406
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,719
women there together helping each other out, you know.

1407
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 4: No, yeah again, yeah, I agree, I agree.

1408
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know, two orphan vampires. I've noticed, even since

1409
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,639
I've been following Erlan that one is a big favorite

1410
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:21,840
amongst a lot of young people that discover it. Yep.

1411
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,599
I have seen it happen in my lifetime, like it's

1412
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:28,440
been rediscovered, and I mean, if you look on letterbox

1413
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:31,480
like people it's maybe their only relawan they've seen and

1414
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:34,360
they love it. So yeah, I never know what's going

1415
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,159
to connect with people.

1416
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, Well that's wild. I mean

1417
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:41,679
I think it's cool that there are different periods of

1418
01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:43,960
his career that are connecting people. I think that's great.

1419
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1420
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,559
Speaker 2: And that was actually one of the first ones that

1421
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:48,920
Indicator put out too. That was kind of weird. I

1422
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,440
was like, wait, this is one of the first ones

1423
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:51,119
they're going to put out.

1424
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, Yeah, might have been easier to restore. This

1425
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,760
is more recent title. Yeah, do they put out Fiance

1426
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:58,760
Dracula already?

1427
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,639
Speaker 4: No, they've not put that one out. Yeah, more than

1428
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:06,039
the Medusa that's another like right right, Yeah, I never

1429
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:08,679
I've never really warmed up to two different vampires very much.

1430
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,119
But maybe maybe I should get it another watch now.

1431
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: Very it's a very blue film, very blue.

1432
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 3: That four K restoration might might convince me that. Yeah,

1433
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,239
I've said that multiple times. Sometimes the restoration can really

1434
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:24,039
change your mind on stuff. It's just something if it's

1435
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:27,079
done right and you're able to see everything, and it's

1436
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,199
really nice. You can see the texture of things, and

1437
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,159
I appreciate the lighting more and the framing. Yeah, maybe

1438
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:34,840
I'll like it more.

1439
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:35,239
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1440
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: I remember having an issue with the casting. I think

1441
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,960
that's my I think it was because I love the

1442
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:43,680
two girl trope and I just didn't like those two girls. Yeah,

1443
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,319
I think it's the problem I had. But maybe revisiting

1444
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:47,439
I like them. I don't know.

1445
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree. It seems like later he had

1446
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,000
more I think trouble finding the exact perfect because like

1447
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:54,680
early on, like I just like his films are so

1448
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,279
perfectly cast, Like I don't know where he found some

1449
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,680
of these people. I mean, they're just so perfectly strange

1450
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,319
and awesomely weird. I just I just love his cast.

1451
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,720
But later on it was like he couldn't quite find

1452
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:08,119
the right people.

1453
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his circle he didn't have that circle

1454
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,760
of people that yeah, yeah.

1455
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,119
Speaker 4: Kind of like you know, if you watch like full

1456
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:19,039
cheese stuff that he had to do in the late

1457
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:21,640
eighties early nineties, to compare it to just ten years before,

1458
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,880
and it's just not that I'm preparing well, I think

1459
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:25,199
it was that.

1460
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: I think it was that Fabrizio D'angeli's connection. I think

1461
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,640
he was better people with the Fabrizio. Yeah, yeah, I

1462
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,479
think the Fabrizio did it all because a lot of

1463
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,720
those people show up in his later stuff without Fulty too. Yeah, yeah,

1464
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,279
it's yeah, but I think that's interesting, I think, And

1465
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,159
that's something I feel like maybe not a lot of

1466
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:46,720
people talk about with Roland because of the technical aspects

1467
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,760
of it and you know, the thematic aspects of it.

1468
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,359
I think it is important to note how well he

1469
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,000
cast in a lot of his stuff, I mean, and again,

1470
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:59,079
and it's but it's also interesting to note, like even

1471
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,119
even in this where you know Pony Castel kind of

1472
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:07,239
she doesn't necessarily at shine morel Darjen, but I think

1473
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,279
she tends to get more attention. I think Fascination is similar,

1474
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,079
where it's like, well we remember Brigitte, the other girl

1475
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,199
maybe not so much because he gives he gives Brigitte

1476
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:19,600
the sight scene and the other girl doesn't get that.

1477
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,479
You know, it is interesting how sometimes it feels a

1478
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,720
little lopsided, but they're all good. It's just kind of

1479
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,600
it's interesting how that turns out that way sometimes with

1480
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,920
the two girl Trope, Yeah, and Francois plus Chard, I

1481
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,960
think people forget Marino Pero is in that. I mean,

1482
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:36,000
she's great in it too.

1483
01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:39,039
Speaker 4: But which is wild because she was barop Check's you

1484
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:40,720
know music you know at the time, and some of

1485
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:45,000
the you know well established. But yeah, I agree lench

1486
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,239
Shard in that film is she's my favorite part of

1487
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:49,239
the Living Dead girl like her performance and that is

1488
01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:52,840
just devastating. Yeah, but yeah, he had a great eye

1489
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,800
for casting and like he had a real sense of

1490
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,359
like I think who the stars were in his films,

1491
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:57,840
you know what I mean?

1492
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 3: Like the Rule?

1493
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think really early something. Yeah.

1494
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: Although most prisons have bars, they can also hold their

1495
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,399
captives by other meanings, they can come back to the chateau.

1496
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,279
Some cages exist solely in the mind. They are often

1497
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:21,039
the most escaped roof craps of all.

1498
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 4: Hey, Gentry, how did Annie Bell do you like in

1499
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,000
your research? When she came and looks the blood? Like,

1500
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,079
what did they do? You know anything about that?

1501
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:36,119
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what's your question? Specifically?

1502
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 3: He's ready with his essay.

1503
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, tell me everything, you know, Gentry,

1504
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,000
But no, did she did they? I don't think I've

1505
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,399
read much about there. Did they get along? Then?

1506
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: Did she they got along? But uh Lan was he?

1507
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:53,640
I mean she was very young and so Ralan was

1508
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,960
like I'm dealing with this, uh, this kind of immature girl.

1509
01:11:58,359 --> 01:12:01,840
You know, I loved working with her. She was a professional,

1510
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,079
but she also was hard to wake up in the mornings.

1511
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,000
Could she had been all night. She had been out

1512
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:11,399
all night partying and going to clubs and doing young

1513
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,840
girls stuff. You know. But yeah, they got along well yeah, No.

1514
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 4: I love that she got to appear or got to

1515
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,840
be part of his filmography because I just think she's great.

1516
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,199
Speaker 2: Yeh, She's an important part of his filmography, I think.

1517
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, to me, it looks the blood

1518
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:30,720
is like it's not necessarily one of my favorites, but

1519
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:33,319
it's like, to me, it's just one of the big ones.

1520
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:37,039
It's one of like the the big Relian titles. I've

1521
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:38,720
actually got the I don't know if you guys have

1522
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,479
ever seen the Sucking Vampire alternate version of that.

1523
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 3: I have a DVD armament, but I haven't watched it.

1524
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 4: You probably got the same version I have. It looks,

1525
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,159
I mean, it looks terrible. If you want to, like

1526
01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:50,920
take a strip back in time to the video search

1527
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,880
of Miami days pop that in it looks really really rough.

1528
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:57,439
But it's so bizarre watching something so like poetic and lyrical,

1529
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,560
I know, like bastardized that of a ghetto wise, Yeah,

1530
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,039
because it's not very I mean maybe part of its

1531
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:06,439
the print I have, but yeah, it just it just

1532
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,119
seems like kind of a downgrade to the film completely.

1533
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:09,840
So it's bizarre.

1534
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah that one. Yeah, that that one feels

1535
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,000
like it hurt Verlan that one. Oh, I'm sure to

1536
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:21,039
have it to have such a person, I mean, Lips

1537
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:23,479
of Blood has his son in it, and now you're

1538
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,640
going to turn that into a pornal Like, yeah, it's.

1539
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I I suspect and I tried to talk

1540
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,159
about that some on the Grapes of Death commentary, like

1541
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:35,640
just how disappointing it must have been for to see

1542
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,399
Lips of Blood in the Iron Rose just completely discarded.

1543
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: And just bought. Well, they bombed at the box office.

1544
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just I'm still like I'll go back

1545
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,319
and read, you know, like when I was writing my book.

1546
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:50,039
I mean, I obviously some of those reviews were just

1547
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,079
you go back in time and read reviews of things

1548
01:13:52,119 --> 01:13:54,359
and you're just like, how did you not see certain things?

1549
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:56,319
And I think that about Rolan a lot, like the

1550
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,840
critics and audience like how did you not see this?

1551
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:02,840
Like what what was it that was blocking your your

1552
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,159
vision to see was? It's just crazy to.

1553
01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:09,279
Speaker 3: Me do that with my own reviews sometimes, Oh, I'm

1554
01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,399
just like, what the hell was wrong with you?

1555
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:12,199
Speaker 2: What? What?

1556
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 3: Who's shitting? You're weedies that morning?

1557
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,520
Speaker 4: You know, I get I get so cranky on some

1558
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,680
of my letterbox reviews about things. I'm sure if I

1559
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,000
go back and why, I would be like, man, you

1560
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:24,199
gotta yeah, what was do.

1561
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 3: Something one star recently? And I was like, oh, this

1562
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,439
is I haven't seen Jeremy and like.

1563
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's very rare.

1564
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,359
Speaker 3: You usually don't do one stars.

1565
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1566
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 4: I had to go see Weathering Heights with my mom recently,

1567
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:44,399
and that just real it was that bugs me a lot, Like, yeah,

1568
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,760
I don't do well. I've pretty much stopped. I just

1569
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,359
don't watch a lot of I'm hardly watch any modern

1570
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,119
American movies, and I've just turned my attention. I just

1571
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:55,840
really wanted to discover more and more international films, and

1572
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,520
especially like right now my feeling is towards America. So

1573
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,079
it's it's just a hard time, you know. So I

1574
01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:03,960
really have been grateful to like just keep discovering more

1575
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,520
and more films made outside of this culture and so forth.

1576
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: That mean, what did Michael Bowen tell us a couple

1577
01:15:11,039 --> 01:15:12,640
of weeks ago. He was like, yeah, I don't watch

1578
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,680
a lot of new movies, but you know they'll find

1579
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,279
me if they're good enough. One day, these new movies

1580
01:15:17,319 --> 01:15:17,960
will find me.

1581
01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: I like that, right, we'll eventually make your way in

1582
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,920
front of your eyeballs. That's very true. But we're international

1583
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,359
center right now. Is like, I don't know who what

1584
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,279
was I thinking about this recently? Oh, somebody was No.

1585
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,760
I was watching some film from the seventies. Oh it

1586
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,199
was Three Days of the Condor, which I hadn't seen ever,

1587
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,119
and I remember, you know, America was really going through

1588
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,079
a lot of turmoil in the seventies, and we had

1589
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:45,079
people like Hukoula and It's in Pollock and like filmmakers

1590
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:47,319
that were still working within the studio system that we're

1591
01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:51,560
still making films that were like daring and challenging. And

1592
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,840
it's like and nobody working within the studio system, whatever

1593
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:58,119
the fuck it is now, is doing that. It's all

1594
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:03,000
about being commerce and appealing to the almighty dollar. And

1595
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:05,159
it's like, you don't get a little little personal movies

1596
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,800
like that, and so you know who's still doing that.

1597
01:16:08,199 --> 01:16:11,920
Directors in other countries, like you have those like Parasite

1598
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:14,920
and no other Choice and like you know, and bring

1599
01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:17,399
films from Iran and you know, I mean, it's we

1600
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,920
have so many good films that we're lucky come out

1601
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,159
in this country at all. But then also is why

1602
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:24,439
I keep going back to like Roland, you know, it's

1603
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,279
it's very unlike anything made in America at that time,

1604
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:28,840
and it still stands up really well too.

1605
01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now I've been I've been trying more and more

1606
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,960
to find because I don't want to like lose complete

1607
01:16:34,039 --> 01:16:36,079
touch with modern cinema, like I really don't, like, I

1608
01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:38,039
don't want it to be the same complete hole in

1609
01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:41,000
my film knowledge. So I am trying to discover more

1610
01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:45,000
international films and filmmakers. So I really like, I love Letterbox,

1611
01:16:45,079 --> 01:16:46,840
like I really love hopping on there and seeing what

1612
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,479
other people are watching and yeah, and the recommendations I

1613
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,920
can get and yea, but yeah, I don't know what's

1614
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,079
going on with American cinema right now, Like I don't,

1615
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,239
And I have arguments with people about it and they're

1616
01:16:58,319 --> 01:17:00,760
like everything's fine. It's always I'm like I don't think

1617
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,119
it is. I just know I don't think it's fine.

1618
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: No, I feel like and we don't have enough American

1619
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:10,960
filmmakers that are we don't have enough American filmmakers violently

1620
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:13,640
coming out against AI. We have way too long decency

1621
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,560
with this. That's just one. That's just one example I

1622
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:21,079
can think of, like, agree, not what we should be

1623
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:25,279
doing right now, Yeah, meeting them, let's meet the moment please.

1624
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 4: I think about the directors that I loved when I

1625
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:30,640
was younger, the American directors that when I was younger

1626
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,359
in the nineties, and they're just not stepping up. Yeah,

1627
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,720
I just I just hate it. I just want want

1628
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,640
one of these guys to speak out and like be

1629
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,800
I mean, they could there's so much there. There's there's

1630
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,239
so many there's so much modern directors and filmmakers be

1631
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:45,760
doing right now. They could be forming an alliance, they

1632
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,840
could be making I mean, there's just so much they

1633
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,680
could be and they're just not doing it at all.

1634
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,960
And it's just that's it's disappointing. It's really I've lost

1635
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,000
a lot of faith in a lot of people that

1636
01:17:56,079 --> 01:17:59,239
I used to like and you know, and admire, and yeah.

1637
01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:03,199
Speaker 2: It's like every single week there's like a new merger happening,

1638
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:07,000
and it's just like movies aren't being made by individuals anymore.

1639
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:08,840
They're being made by like a committee.

1640
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,239
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, That's why I like I can continue to

1641
01:18:13,359 --> 01:18:18,960
find enriching moments with film by going backwards, which is,

1642
01:18:19,079 --> 01:18:21,479
you know, that's not necessarily what I want to be

1643
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,359
doing all the time, though I'd like to be doing both.

1644
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,960
I'd like to be you know, going back and looking

1645
01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:30,760
at and also we've talked about on this podcast where like, well,

1646
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:34,640
going back and looking at sexploitation films from a certain era,

1647
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,640
Like there's definitely it's it's there are certain elements of

1648
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,560
obviously being problematic, but there's also moments where it's like,

1649
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,680
oh wow, this is actually shockingly progressive and shockingly not

1650
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,640
a problematic Like there's a lot of interesting creativity going

1651
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,600
on here. And then you come back to twenty twenty

1652
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,640
six and it's like, oh God, like people don't even

1653
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,920
want to talk about sexual show sex and film or

1654
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,159
show nudity, or they're fretting about, like intimacy coordinators like

1655
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:01,439
if they're not doing it, if you're not doing it,

1656
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,079
Intimacy corditators on every movie then you basically forced your

1657
01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:07,239
actors to have sex with each other and take their

1658
01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:10,319
clothes off, and it's like there's nuance is lost. I

1659
01:19:10,399 --> 01:19:13,600
think there's a lot of nuance and layer. Yeah.

1660
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really miss like adult cinema, Like I just

1661
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,239
I just miss it. I mean, like speaking of like

1662
01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:23,720
Weathering Heights is very much about kind of the director's

1663
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:26,880
sexual interests, but it's so it's a film a lot

1664
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,159
of about sex, but there's it's no nudity, there's no

1665
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,880
like actual like human contact. I mean there's nothing, you know,

1666
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,760
it's just all surface, all false, all fake. And I like, recently,

1667
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,399
I I well, I got the first Mitchell Brothers releases.

1668
01:19:43,359 --> 01:19:45,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was watching.

1669
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,199
Speaker 4: Behind the Green Door, and I'm just like, god, damn,

1670
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:51,239
this is just so unbelievably progressive and just so inclusive.

1671
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 3: It was.

1672
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,119
Speaker 4: It was amazing, like I had forgotten just how like

1673
01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:59,680
representative presentative of so many different lifestyles that film, you know,

1674
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,239
and it's just awesome to see. And I'm just like,

1675
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,560
we have just gone so backwards, We've regressed so much. Yeah,

1676
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,479
And I find like I really I find myself like

1677
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,000
agreeing and lying aligning with younger people much more than

1678
01:20:13,119 --> 01:20:16,159
people my age and obviously older. But one thing I

1679
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:18,960
really worry about. They've adopted a lot of light more

1680
01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:22,239
conservative mindsets about like nudity and sex and films, and

1681
01:20:22,279 --> 01:20:26,880
they don't realize that they're echoing these like backwards conservative,

1682
01:20:27,319 --> 01:20:29,600
hurtful things from years ago that they're going to get

1683
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,399
people hurt, like if you like start banning sex work

1684
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,920
and porn, and I mean, you're going to get people hurt.

1685
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,800
And it's just it's upsetting, Like it's really depressing. I

1686
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,520
know a lot of like my younger I'm sure they

1687
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,399
see like some of my letterbox reviews and some of

1688
01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:45,159
the stuff I'm watching, and they're probably thinking of what

1689
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:46,159
a freak for watching?

1690
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,119
Speaker 2: That's what you know, director Sean Baker gets all the

1691
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,479
time because you know, he's got a big fandom, and

1692
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,439
they I've seen that under his comments all the time

1693
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,479
watching he must be your sick, oh freak he's watching

1694
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,039
all these old sexploitage movies, Like why are you watching this, Sean?

1695
01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:05,199
It's like, well, maybe because he watches a little bit

1696
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:08,600
of everything, you know he does it really does because

1697
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,079
that's what you should be doing when you're a director.

1698
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,239
Speaker 4: It just it baffles me, like people have will say

1699
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:17,960
nothing about modern American films where you see, you know,

1700
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:21,800
a million rounds of gunfire just wiping out people with

1701
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,119
no concept, and that nothing has ever said about that.

1702
01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:26,079
But the minute there is any sexual content in a

1703
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:27,800
movie or nudity, right, I mean, now.

1704
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,079
Speaker 2: It's just a very American.

1705
01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 3: But Jeremy, those were the Those were arguments from the

1706
01:21:35,039 --> 01:21:38,039
from like Gloria Leonard, I know, the Antichrist. We were

1707
01:21:38,119 --> 01:21:42,439
hearing these arguments in the eighties, I know, yeah, And

1708
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,479
I'm just like, why are we dealing with eighties Republicans again?

1709
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,159
I know, why are we back in eighties Republican land?

1710
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,439
And I've said that in the I listened. I hot

1711
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,159
the comment sections after maybe one too many beers, and

1712
01:21:54,279 --> 01:21:56,680
I'll be like, maybe stop being an eighties Republican. When

1713
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,279
you're watching your movies and thinking, oh sex, it's like

1714
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,239
you're twenty two years old. Why are you are you upset?

1715
01:22:04,319 --> 01:22:06,279
Why are you offended about this? Yeah, there's well I

1716
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,319
saw somebody post something about like, well, I don't want

1717
01:22:09,319 --> 01:22:10,880
I want to know if there's sexual nudity to movie

1718
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,039
because I want to know if I can watch it

1719
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:14,760
with my parents, and I'm like, I'm reminded, Oh right,

1720
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,479
we're dealing with children. That's right, we're dealing with children.

1721
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,359
Speaker 4: It kills me adults not wanting to or not adults questioning,

1722
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,119
just other adults watching adult contact. I mean, it just

1723
01:22:26,319 --> 01:22:29,439
it absolutely drives me crazy, and it just makes me

1724
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,920
more and more nervous about where we're heading in the

1725
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,720
future and so forth.

1726
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,199
Speaker 3: It's been a quick switch because I mean, I mean,

1727
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,479
it wasn't that long ago when we had like something

1728
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,840
weird stuff come out all the time, we had the

1729
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,720
adult film renaissance where we were getting these restorations by

1730
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,000
Vinegar Sen them and media blasters and stuff. People were

1731
01:22:46,039 --> 01:22:50,479
talking about them in more serious ways, and like something

1732
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,800
happened where now it's a problem, and I think someone

1733
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,720
trying to coincide it with like the me too movement,

1734
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:00,159
which makes sense to me, I think, And yeah, I

1735
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:03,039
think probably mister Gentry. Actually, yes, that's right, and it's

1736
01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:06,920
like that's that's true. But I feel like that was

1737
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,920
the beginning of it and just ballooned, and it's tougher

1738
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,159
to have conversations with people, and those people won't take

1739
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,279
you seriously because you mentioned one thing sex positive, and

1740
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:19,840
you are immediately a pervert, and you immediately can't be trusted,

1741
01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:24,760
and you immediately are biased and and and you hate women.

1742
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,359
And I'm just like, yeah, anyway, I can't have this

1743
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,239
conversation with you, and that if you can't get be

1744
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:32,079
an adult and have a conversation about why sex and

1745
01:23:32,199 --> 01:23:36,520
nudity is perfectly fine with consensing adults and in a

1746
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,720
narrative framework as long as everyone is concerning. I don't

1747
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:41,560
know what the problem is.

1748
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,399
Speaker 4: It's it's crazy to me, like I'll hear young people

1749
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,840
like you said, Casey's making the same arguments that just

1750
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,800
the super conservative people in the seventies, the Republican Reagan

1751
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,000
error that the same exact things. And but they that

1752
01:23:57,079 --> 01:24:00,199
they don't realize that they're echoing that They think that

1753
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:02,399
they're echoing something conservaed. They think that there's somehow or

1754
01:24:02,399 --> 01:24:05,560
another protecting people in these movies and that they're being

1755
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:06,760
taken advantage of, and.

1756
01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 3: They think they're being progressive and when when actually it's regressive.

1757
01:24:12,039 --> 01:24:15,800
It is exactly aggressive. It's very Andrea's work in stage feminism,

1758
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,600
which is which needs to stay dead and buried because

1759
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,359
it actually serves to harm women. Not these empower women.

1760
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, women, it will get women killed. I mean, it

1761
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,920
will get I mean, it's it's terrifying. Yeah, And they

1762
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:31,800
just and you and you cannot have a conversation about it.

1763
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,399
I love stuff like this where we consider in YouTube,

1764
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,319
but you cannot have a conversation about it with people.

1765
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,760
I mean I've I've heard like and you mentioned Sean Baker, Like,

1766
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:41,560
I've seen some of those comments too. I remember when

1767
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,479
they said that they didn't use an intimacy coordinator on

1768
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,359
his last film, and just the blowback he got. And

1769
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,840
I'm just like, these are two adults making decisions for themselves.

1770
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:54,880
It's like, what is your issue?

1771
01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, they tried. They infantilized Mikey Madison and so

1772
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,159
it was she's a young girl in the industry. She

1773
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,079
doesn't know better. I'm like, so you're saying that she

1774
01:25:03,239 --> 01:25:05,600
is a grown adult can't make her own decisions. She

1775
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,920
needs to have someone else make the decisions for her,

1776
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:11,000
like a male agent needs to make the decision for her.

1777
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,079
Like you need to hear yourself, You need to talk

1778
01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:16,319
these things through in your head before you say them.

1779
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,199
That's crazy, you know, does it? It's really it really

1780
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:21,720
is wild, because yeah, it was agreed upon between everybody,

1781
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,760
the two actors and then the director, and they was

1782
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,079
that's done. Doesn't need to Yeah, this was not the

1783
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:30,880
last time you went Paris situation where you know the

1784
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,399
director or the actor conspired against the actress to humiliate

1785
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:35,039
her on camera.

1786
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't understand.

1787
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 2: So what we're seeing here is that there's no possibility

1788
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,840
a movie called Caged Virgins could be released in twenty.

1789
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:50,039
Speaker 3: Six not unless it's like shot on video, direct to

1790
01:25:50,359 --> 01:25:52,439
DVD or streaming on tub or something.

1791
01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 2: But as we saw this, this thing played everywhere.

1792
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 3: Very says a vampires might still go over. Well, I

1793
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,680
think you could probably get away with that. I think

1794
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:09,520
the caged part makes it sound non consensual. Cage versions

1795
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,960
makes it sound non condensal. That would be the issue.

1796
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,159
But virsions of vampire let's say, its great, let's go.

1797
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's funny. I when I go to I

1798
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:21,840
used to go to the movies all the time. That

1799
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,279
was I used to love one of the movies, and

1800
01:26:23,279 --> 01:26:25,279
I rarely go anymore. And it's because, I mean, it's

1801
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:27,039
because of the cost, and also I just don't want

1802
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:29,720
to see anything that's playing. I mean, if I lived

1803
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,039
in a outside in New York or you know, a

1804
01:26:32,119 --> 01:26:33,720
place where I could go to repertoires and I was

1805
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,319
to see older I would do that all the time.

1806
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,199
But in Kentucky we don't have that option. But anyway,

1807
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:39,760
when I when I do get to see a modern

1808
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,800
movie that has any sort of nudity at all in it,

1809
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,399
I mean, I'm just like wild. Even even if they

1810
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,800
if they suck, I'm just still grateful that they at

1811
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,399
least had something resembling, you know, the movies that I love.

1812
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,000
And you know what I mean. I mean it's just

1813
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:55,479
a I know, I don't see it for caged virgins.

1814
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,399
Speaker 3: There is one out right now called Dreams, which is

1815
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,359
grant It has released it, and that has Jessica Chastain

1816
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,000
and she has an affair with this Mexican guy and

1817
01:27:06,039 --> 01:27:08,159
there are graphic sex scenes in this and I'm like,

1818
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:11,079
you go Jessica Chastain, and she's like, and she she

1819
01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:13,479
doesn't sign on to this stuff willy nilly. She makes

1820
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,079
informed decisions about the work she does and she's very

1821
01:27:16,319 --> 01:27:18,880
public about that. So she signed on through this kind

1822
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,840
of erotic thriller sort of where she does nudity and

1823
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,960
has sex scenes, including a scene where like she talks

1824
01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:26,199
really dirty to the guy. So a friend of mine

1825
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:29,319
saw that double feature with Pillion, another very sexually graphic

1826
01:27:29,359 --> 01:27:33,399
film about a state an smm dom sub situation, but

1827
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,119
it's a gay film. So like, we have little pockets

1828
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:38,439
of films that are still there, but again they're only

1829
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,119
shown in like filmtowns like New York, LA, Navy, Chicago,

1830
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,960
and it gives me hope that there's a still coming out.

1831
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,439
I think even those distributors are kind of like, well,

1832
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,239
how do we promote this without really upsetting like the

1833
01:27:52,359 --> 01:27:56,520
woke mind hive like sex this is terrible.

1834
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you said that about like where they're

1835
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,319
coming out, because yeah, you know, as we are film

1836
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:05,960
researchers here, we look at the history behind how these

1837
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,640
films were distributed back in the you know, the seventies,

1838
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,079
and they played everywhere. They played the little podunk towns,

1839
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:15,800
they played every drive in they played anybody could see them.

1840
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,439
You know, they were playing your Kentucky drive ins down there.

1841
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,159
Speaker 4: Jeremy like, yeah, no, I mean I was looking at

1842
01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:22,680
those ads I found and it just kind of blew

1843
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,960
my mind thinking that when I was a kid in

1844
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:27,960
Kentucky just I could if my parents had wanted to,

1845
01:28:28,039 --> 01:28:30,640
they could have taken me to see Cage Virgins. Yeah right,

1846
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,279
I mean yeah, they could have gone.

1847
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 3: A date night. Nowd you in the backseat just be

1848
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,479
like lay down to S're gonna watch.

1849
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did that for The Exorcists when I was

1850
01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:47,960
a little baby. My movie in a theater. Wow, But

1851
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:48,479
could have.

1852
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,319
Speaker 3: Been Cage Virgins. It was still playing in theaters in

1853
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:50,880
seventy three.

1854
01:28:51,039 --> 01:28:56,119
Speaker 4: No, yeah, but no. I I remember like in the nineties,

1855
01:28:56,159 --> 01:28:58,520
even in Kentucky, I would be able to see like

1856
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:01,680
I remember seeing as Akravett film in Kentucky at the

1857
01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:04,279
like one of his people up Down Fragile, that movie

1858
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,239
you know in Kaslowski. I mean we had films like

1859
01:29:07,279 --> 01:29:09,720
that with the Oakland. Now that's all gone, Like we

1860
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,760
just do not get that. We don't have any kind

1861
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,359
of the one sort of art house theater we had

1862
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:18,079
switched and they started showing mainstream films and then of

1863
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:20,399
course they closed down. So now we just have the

1864
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,840
major multiplexes and we just get whatever junk they send out.

1865
01:29:26,079 --> 01:29:29,199
Speaker 3: And it's even interesting to think about two because like

1866
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,520
I think people forget that, like New World Pictures under

1867
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,640
Corman was distributing like Cries and Whispers by Bergen, and

1868
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:42,800
like other imports, Cannon was distributing like films.

1869
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy.

1870
01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting to think about how like, yeah,

1871
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,079
it didn't just just to be the coastal elites who

1872
01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:53,600
were getting these kind of films. They would be seen

1873
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,560
by you could see them in all kinds of pockets

1874
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,079
of the country. It wasn't it wasn't just relegated to

1875
01:29:59,199 --> 01:29:59,880
the film city.

1876
01:30:00,279 --> 01:30:02,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like I've seen all of

1877
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,399
al Moldovar films on the big screen just and that

1878
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,199
was just living in Kentucky back in the day. But

1879
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,199
you don't. It's just it's just everything's changed.

1880
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know what's up with them now.

1881
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I used to look, yeah, I missed going

1882
01:30:15,239 --> 01:30:17,840
to the movies. But at the same time, I you know,

1883
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,359
I went, I went saw Weathering. I'd bring in that

1884
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,960
goddamn thing up. But the ticket it was a matinee

1885
01:30:23,079 --> 01:30:25,800
and the tickets were like eleven bucks. And I'm just like, man,

1886
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,920
I could have got you like some blu ray of

1887
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:30,520
a film that I love that I'll have, you know,

1888
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,319
And I'm just it's just I don't know, it's just

1889
01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:33,800
all different. It's frustrating.

1890
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know who exported and imported a lot of

1891
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,920
these films, Harry Novak.

1892
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't import anything like an Almodovar, something with

1893
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,880
actually quality. But this is probably his Well, I mean

1894
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:07,600
you said, I know, you said you wouldn't lose his

1895
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,039
box office title. I do think this might have been

1896
01:31:10,119 --> 01:31:13,399
the like the classiest title that he brought over of

1897
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,600
his imports and notorious concubines. Maybe that's terrible though, but

1898
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,279
this there's a sense of class to this, honestly, compared

1899
01:31:21,319 --> 01:31:22,359
to like the Sinful Dwarf.

1900
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it was true, Yes, yeah, I was reading

1901
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,439
about his career, like in the prep for this, and

1902
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,920
then I just the idea that he started working like

1903
01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:37,840
with r Ko yea. It rounded the twenties and thirties

1904
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,680
and then ended up in the eighties doing a couple

1905
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,600
of adult films under I forget the name, but it

1906
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,520
was hilarious Harry.

1907
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:51,119
Speaker 3: H Yes, it was like her something something. H Yes,

1908
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:53,880
it was like, Yeah, it wasn't Harry Joseph. No, it

1909
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,359
wasn't Joseph F. Sherman, M. Sherman. That was somebody else.

1910
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,039
Speaker 4: It wasn't. I think the last name was hersh which

1911
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,560
But anyway, I like Moments of Love in eighty three. Yeah,

1912
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:08,520
the trajectory of working in early Hollywood and then you

1913
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,920
know just how much he saw and yeah, it was

1914
01:32:11,279 --> 01:32:14,600
just a really wildlife and career and uh but yeah,

1915
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:16,199
some of I was looking over the films that he

1916
01:32:16,279 --> 01:32:18,479
distributed and I'm like, man, these are these are some

1917
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:19,479
pretty rough titles.

1918
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,079
Speaker 3: But he also loved the sex and horror mix too,

1919
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:26,399
because like he loved this Basically, if there was some

1920
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,920
horror and some sex, those are the two most marketable

1921
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,560
items I think for a lot of exploitation distributors.

1922
01:32:32,119 --> 01:32:35,279
Speaker 2: And Freedman Friedman didn't like really to mix those. So

1923
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,359
maybe Harry was like, you know, Friedman's not covering in

1924
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:39,840
this market, so I'm read to cover it.

1925
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,039
Speaker 3: Well, I think, But I think Harry started that way anyway,

1926
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:45,279
because kiss Me Quick with sex and horror, Like I

1927
01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:47,680
think he started off doing sex and horror. That was

1928
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,119
always something that I think he personally liked, so like

1929
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:56,560
the Toy Box, the Mad Uh, the Mad Butcher, Madison Lace, like, yeah,

1930
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,239
I think he always liked to mix the sex and

1931
01:32:58,319 --> 01:33:00,800
horror stuff. I think that was kind of I think

1932
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,760
that was a personal thing for no Back, I'm not sure,

1933
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,039
but help that it was also a market thing.

1934
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 4: I've been I think that's such a the sixties. The

1935
01:33:08,039 --> 01:33:11,279
sixties like soft sex film, that's such an interesting period

1936
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,319
for me. I mean it's there's so many of the

1937
01:33:13,319 --> 01:33:17,000
films and I like, I feel like I barely know

1938
01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:19,439
anything about that period. I probably know a lot more

1939
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,319
than most, but I but I feel like I have

1940
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,640
no very locals. There's just it's just dense to me,

1941
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,439
like the figures.

1942
01:33:25,039 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 2: In it, and that's what we're trying to unravel at Yeah, yeah,

1943
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:28,960
I mean.

1944
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 3: We still have people that we haven't covered somehow in

1945
01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:33,840
a year of episodes, there are still people that we

1946
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,640
haven't even scratched the surface of. I mean, that's how

1947
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,560
dense and it is. It is because there's just so

1948
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,039
many people that we haven't even touched on.

1949
01:33:41,239 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 4: Yea, even like guys like Joe Sarno, who I've been

1950
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,039
watching for years. I'll stumble across the film that he

1951
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:48,279
directed and I'm like, I've never even heard of this,

1952
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,880
Like it's just you know, and yeah, so there's just

1953
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,119
so many So I've been trying to, like you know,

1954
01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:55,680
watch more and more and learn more and more about

1955
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,439
that period because the stuff that I've seen is so

1956
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:02,239
vivid and unforgettable, Like I like the Curse of Her

1957
01:34:02,359 --> 01:34:06,520
Flash movies. Y, yeah, I mean just that stuff. It's

1958
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:10,720
just the black and white cinematography. Yeah, it's just such

1959
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,840
a cool, cool period, a.

1960
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 3: Lot of creativity and h yeah, totally, and we've covered

1961
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,279
covered some of that and some other people who are

1962
01:34:23,319 --> 01:34:24,880
like not great but yeah.

1963
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you're you're kind of swimming around trying

1964
01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:28,520
to find the jewels and a lot of junk.

1965
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even the garbage has interesting stories to it,

1966
01:34:31,319 --> 01:34:31,960
you know, Yes.

1967
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:34,520
Speaker 4: Very true behind the scenes stuff is what gets like.

1968
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,720
And I love both the like I read. I always

1969
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,239
read both of your guys stuff on letterbox whenever you

1970
01:34:40,319 --> 01:34:43,520
post something, and I love the way both of you write. It's,

1971
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,119
I mean the interest in film history because that's really

1972
01:34:46,119 --> 01:34:48,119
where I'm at too. I mean, like that's you know,

1973
01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:50,680
I do critique stuff and I like, but I just

1974
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,359
really am into film history, so like learning about the

1975
01:34:53,399 --> 01:34:55,199
people that made the films and the people behind us.

1976
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:58,039
I really appreciate what you guys, right, and uh case,

1977
01:34:58,159 --> 01:34:59,960
I've been reading your stuff for years, like Harry, I mean,

1978
01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:03,720
and I'm just I'm so grateful. Yeah, like yeah, yeah,

1979
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,319
your knowledge is Yeah.

1980
01:35:05,399 --> 01:35:09,159
Speaker 2: Casey also always helps me like identify actors and actresses

1981
01:35:09,239 --> 01:35:10,560
because sometimes I'm like, I have.

1982
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 3: Face, have some screen, Yes, yes, you have somebody screens,

1983
01:35:14,079 --> 01:35:17,479
so that's who that is? Who was it? I helped you, oh,

1984
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,840
Frank Mills, because you were like, who's this guy with Barbara.

1985
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:20,840
I was like, that's her.

1986
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 2: Husband, some random white guy.

1987
01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:26,159
Speaker 3: Yes, he has white guy face blindness. Yeah. Yeah.

1988
01:35:26,319 --> 01:35:29,079
Speaker 4: I got those Doors Wishman box sets recently, and I've

1989
01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:31,680
been watching those and like, yeah, the people and I'm like, oh,

1990
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,760
I'll look up, like who is this lady with the

1991
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,720
brunette and I'll try to figure out and I'm like, oh,

1992
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,399
who's this character's name. I'm like, yeah, it's it's a hunt.

1993
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1994
01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:42,399
Speaker 4: Everything you used to go on internet movie database, Casey

1995
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:43,800
and like correct things.

1996
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 3: That I used to, I don't correct them anymore.

1997
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought, you know, I remember a long time

1998
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:48,760
ago you would do that.

1999
01:35:49,039 --> 01:35:53,119
Speaker 3: Yeah it was anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's still a mess.

2000
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:56,399
But basically I update stuff in my reviews, and if

2001
01:35:56,399 --> 01:35:57,720
you read the review, then.

2002
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 4: You know, Okay, there's actually true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

2003
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:04,520
just such a wild period.

2004
01:36:04,279 --> 01:36:08,159
Speaker 2: And with the pseudonyms. Yeah, the pseudonyms will throw you off.

2005
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:11,560
Speaker 4: To even some of the Cage Virgin alternate titles. I

2006
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,039
don't think I had heard before, Like like I didn't

2007
01:36:14,079 --> 01:36:18,159
realize it had so many different retitlings that he would

2008
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:20,239
just keep putting. I can't. I was imagining like if

2009
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:22,199
you have somebody that would just go to these movies

2010
01:36:22,199 --> 01:36:23,479
a lot, and you would just then to seeing that

2011
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:24,760
over and over again. Oh.

2012
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Sam Sherman loved doing that.

2013
01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got different titles because they played it so often.

2014
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,039
Speaker 4: So you have the car sitting down and be like,

2015
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:34,159
oh my god, it's this movie again. There's those clowns.

2016
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly. Well that is something that is I mean,

2017
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,199
I do love the way this movie opens actually and

2018
01:36:41,279 --> 01:36:44,000
where you think it's gonna be something completely different. It's

2019
01:36:44,119 --> 01:36:46,560
you know, it's against this, it's this cops, cops and

2020
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,880
robbers movie, and then like these girls escape. It's like, Okay,

2021
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,159
what's gonna happen to these girls? Where's our life of

2022
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:55,560
crime going to take them? Apparently takes them to a

2023
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:59,079
castle with some vampires in it, and apparently they're virgins,

2024
01:36:59,239 --> 01:36:59,920
which is shocking.

2025
01:37:00,279 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, the film just I just love how it

2026
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,000
starts with them in that car and it's just like

2027
01:37:05,079 --> 01:37:07,600
you're in the middle of the action. There's no explanation

2028
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,239
about what why are they were in clout what's happened?

2029
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,880
But it's perfect. It's just it's perfect. It's just like

2030
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,399
a poem. I mean, it's just just like this.

2031
01:37:15,039 --> 01:37:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2032
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 2: I just know over long like loved shooting that scene.

2033
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,960
He's like, Oh, this is just like those cereals I

2034
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:23,720
read all the time.

2035
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 3: This is perfect.

2036
01:37:25,159 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 2: Finally get to do like an action scene. Yeah.

2037
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 4: Now, didn't Harry Novak put up the nude vampire too? Correct?

2038
01:37:33,159 --> 01:37:33,600
Is that right?

2039
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:38,279
Speaker 3: Like early? I don't think so. I think okay, I

2040
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:40,439
don't think we were. I don't think I was able

2041
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,560
to determine that. I think what happened was he had

2042
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,319
prints in his vaults, which happened a lot when it

2043
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,840
was something weird partnership was that they went into his

2044
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,640
vaults and they basically liberated the vaults, and that included

2045
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,239
a lot of Prince of stuff that either he was

2046
01:37:54,279 --> 01:37:57,880
holding for friends like the Don Davis stuff, or Prince

2047
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:02,479
that he was sent by other producers to it to

2048
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,079
entice him to distribute the films theatrically. So I don't

2049
01:38:06,079 --> 01:38:09,079
think he handled Shiver and I don't think he handled Nude.

2050
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,920
I haven't found any evidence that he handled either of those.

2051
01:38:12,279 --> 01:38:15,880
I think maybe he because he distributed Cage Virgins. Maybe

2052
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,720
he was interested in doing additional Rolan films. I have

2053
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,359
not personally found any evidence he distributed those, Okay, but

2054
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:27,720
I think Gentry determined that they recently showed Shiver of

2055
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,000
the Vampires at the New Beverly and I thought it

2056
01:38:30,119 --> 01:38:33,800
was the print from the Novak vaults, but apparently not.

2057
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,479
There was a title on the print that I'd never

2058
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,680
heard of, and then Gentry found that it was distributed

2059
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,880
in the States by some other distributor that I'd never

2060
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:40,199
heard of.

2061
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 4: Wow, that's really it.

2062
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 2: Was distributed by. It was You can find newspaper ads

2063
01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:47,439
for it under that Strange things happened in the title.

2064
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I actually like that. I like that retitling.

2065
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 3: I kind of vertitle.

2066
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, very evocative.

2067
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,560
Speaker 3: But box office wasn't attached to that. That's and that's

2068
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,000
kind of the thing. It's like usually if it was

2069
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:04,399
if Harry handled a movie, he made sure you knew

2070
01:39:04,399 --> 01:39:07,359
who was handling the movie. Like box Office International was

2071
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,800
slapped all over that place, you knew exactly who was

2072
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,319
doing it. And I don't think there was any Box

2073
01:39:12,399 --> 01:39:15,600
Office International attached to that retitling that you could find.

2074
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,359
Speaker 2: Right, I'd have to double check again, but I don't

2075
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:17,640
think so.

2076
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So would he just get would he just get

2077
01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:22,760
prints sent to him as like possibilities the films for

2078
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:23,640
him to distribute?

2079
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:25,520
Speaker 3: Is that how it worked? I think that's how he

2080
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,199
got ahold of those two, yeah, I think, or or

2081
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,199
if he had see this is an example like the

2082
01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:35,640
Cage Virgins thing. I haven't seen the Novak VHS release

2083
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,359
from something Weird of Server the Vampires, it's possible that

2084
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,520
it was a print under that title that maybe he

2085
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:45,800
handled as a as a California distributor, which he did do,

2086
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:49,439
which he handled California distribution for some titles that were

2087
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:53,279
not California productions. So that's possible that he handled some

2088
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:58,600
regional distribution for Shiver of the Vampires, but Nude Vampire,

2089
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,079
I don't think. I don't think. I don't think he

2090
01:40:01,399 --> 01:40:01,880
handled that.

2091
01:40:02,119 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 4: Do you guys think that he handled and do you

2092
01:40:04,039 --> 01:40:06,640
think they think the English dubs were brought to him

2093
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:07,520
or do you think that he.

2094
01:40:08,399 --> 01:40:09,640
Speaker 3: Gentry had a note about that.

2095
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I saw in that interview he said, I

2096
01:40:14,039 --> 01:40:16,800
don't know what the wording is kind of strange, so

2097
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,479
it's hard to really say, but he made it sound

2098
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,039
like he took care of the English dubbing on it.

2099
01:40:23,159 --> 01:40:25,199
But Casey questions, I.

2100
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:29,079
Speaker 3: Just questioned that because the big reason I questioned that

2101
01:40:29,319 --> 01:40:32,359
is actually home video distribution. If you finished the English

2102
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:35,520
dub on that, I feel like the Novacks would insist

2103
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,680
on getting paid to use that English dub for any

2104
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,600
of the home video releases of that, because that's the

2105
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,279
way they are. Like, they wouldn't have been like, oh, yeah,

2106
01:40:42,279 --> 01:40:44,439
you can use that English dub, that's fine, because that

2107
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,279
English dub would have only been used for the domestic

2108
01:40:47,359 --> 01:40:50,279
distribution unless it was used for the UK release. That

2109
01:40:50,399 --> 01:40:53,000
I don't know either. You know who really is really

2110
01:40:53,039 --> 01:40:54,399
good about this home video stub.

2111
01:40:54,319 --> 01:40:55,199
Speaker 2: Is Mark Morris.

2112
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:00,399
Speaker 3: Mark Morris had that website that was Roland Barack's and

2113
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,319
somebody else years ago, and he's typically credited in a

2114
01:41:04,359 --> 01:41:06,720
lot of these Roland releases for like, because he was

2115
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,119
a big collector in video and he would have like

2116
01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:11,840
a list of all the video releases and the companies

2117
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,439
and their run time and things like that. He was

2118
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,399
really on tip. Yeah, Mark Morris is like old school

2119
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:18,520
Pee Toom zero stuff.

2120
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,399
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, we haven't talked about Lionel Walman,

2121
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,479
who's you know, he's an American. Wasn't he overseas He's

2122
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,479
working with Ralan? Was it Canadian?

2123
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, I always get him in sam Celski. I

2124
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:32,279
know kind of money guys that he would go. So,

2125
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:34,399
I mean, yeah, he had.

2126
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 2: A connection with someone who probably could dub it in English,

2127
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:38,880
and you know, sure.

2128
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:42,279
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was just wondering like if I mean, if Ralan,

2129
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,960
I know that he would take his films or you

2130
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,560
would have people that would go to like the can

2131
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,600
Film Festival with kind of promotional material trying to sell

2132
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,880
the films. I'm just wondering, Like, I'm just wondering if

2133
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,880
more if he sent if he tried to get prints

2134
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,560
of his films to America, like after the ones that

2135
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,640
came out, like the ones, if they were just all rejected,

2136
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,079
or if they were even seen nor I just find

2137
01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:02,920
that stuff really interesting. Well.

2138
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 3: It also makes me think like because we know that

2139
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,399
those scenes, there were scenes that were created for this film,

2140
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:13,760
specifically for an American audience, that were more graphic. So

2141
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,600
then it makes me wonder, Okay, well, if you were

2142
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,039
already thinking of an American audience, then they definitely would

2143
01:42:18,039 --> 01:42:21,560
have been thinking about a dub already without involvement. So

2144
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,319
I wonder if Novak saying we finished it meant that

2145
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,960
they meant the any editing that he did, not necessarily

2146
01:42:28,079 --> 01:42:31,359
the English dub, because I feel like I'm not that

2147
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,319
familiar with how these film markets work, but I would

2148
01:42:33,359 --> 01:42:35,439
think if you're trying to sell a movie domestically, it

2149
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,279
would be similar to like the Italian films of that era,

2150
01:42:39,399 --> 01:42:41,960
where they would be shot either shot in English even

2151
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,479
though they were dubbed, and then have a dub done

2152
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:48,159
later by like the Nick What's his Face group with

2153
01:42:48,359 --> 01:42:51,279
Carolina and defense Eka and those people like they were

2154
01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:54,159
in They lived in Rome specifically to do English dubs,

2155
01:42:54,359 --> 01:42:57,039
and so I don't know if that existed in France too,

2156
01:42:57,319 --> 01:42:59,680
but I feel like if they were already thinking ahead

2157
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,239
in terms of an American release, they would have probably.

2158
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,399
Speaker 2: Done that dub. Yeah, they had it all planned out.

2159
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,119
Speaker 3: And honestly, there's not a lot of dialogue.

2160
01:43:09,239 --> 01:43:12,279
Speaker 4: You know one of my favorite things. I love that

2161
01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:14,479
the first half is basically like a silent film. I mean,

2162
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,319
it's got love music and I just love that. Yeah,

2163
01:43:17,359 --> 01:43:19,359
I mean, and I love the school. Actually I got

2164
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,119
I got my Little Requiem for a Vampire cassette.

2165
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.

2166
01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:28,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's got I mean it doesn't have a label,

2167
01:43:28,199 --> 01:43:32,079
but it's uh yeah, fascinations on the other side.

2168
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got a little yellow right.

2169
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:39,119
Speaker 2: So who did the who did the soundtrack for Rafe?

2170
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:42,399
Speaker 4: I think it's how you. I think it's rape, yes, yeah,

2171
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,600
but I love the music is just this. Yeah, it's

2172
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,720
kind of indescribable, kind of this experimental sort of Yeah.

2173
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:50,640
I love the score to it. And yeah, I love

2174
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:53,279
the lack of dialogue. Yeah, we've hadn't talked about that.

2175
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,039
I just yeah, like you mentioned Gentry earlier with his

2176
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:58,840
like making a cereal, I mean, but yeah, the element

2177
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:01,880
of early cinema just kind of comes through and just

2178
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,199
pure cinema. I just I love that. And I think

2179
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:06,279
it's cool to Novak because to get to the kind

2180
01:44:06,319 --> 01:44:09,720
of the cage virgin section of the film, I mean,

2181
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,800
he would have to have sat there and watched, you know,

2182
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,880
the first half of the film. I think it's kind

2183
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,560
of impressive that he still picked up that, Hey, I

2184
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:20,359
think this has could be marketable towards, you know, people

2185
01:44:20,399 --> 01:44:21,760
in an American drive dragon.

2186
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as they had to retitle. I think

2187
01:44:25,079 --> 01:44:27,520
the title kind of did everything for him. It did

2188
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,600
all the work he's like to call Cage virgins and

2189
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:32,439
I don't really have to do much else well.

2190
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:36,159
Speaker 3: Also, that American artwork is really pretty iconic to the

2191
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:39,520
Cage version's poster. He always had really good poster people

2192
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,199
on staff to do that kind of thing. His campaigns

2193
01:44:42,199 --> 01:44:45,439
are really as much as an uncultured swine. I think

2194
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:48,800
Harry Novac was your point is accurate, Jeremy. The fact

2195
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,479
that he sat through this whole thing before he got

2196
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:53,760
to anything that was really the potatoes kind of thing.

2197
01:44:54,239 --> 01:44:56,239
But then also the fact that he always had the

2198
01:44:56,319 --> 01:44:58,720
best campaigns, so he knew exactly what he was doing.

2199
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,520
I will always give him credit for that that he

2200
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:03,039
really knew what he was doing in terms of marketing

2201
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,920
absolutely marketing gs yeah.

2202
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, as crude as the Cage Versions title is,

2203
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,079
it is very like unforgettable, like once you see and yeah,

2204
01:45:12,119 --> 01:45:14,800
the ads I was before we did the or you

2205
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,640
asked the other day Journtry if I had a copy

2206
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,000
of Cage versions. I looked on eBay to see how

2207
01:45:19,079 --> 01:45:22,239
much the old swv VHS tapes are, and they're more

2208
01:45:22,279 --> 01:45:23,880
money than I'm willing to spend or have.

2209
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:28,159
Speaker 3: But does slipcase Alex don't have a copy. We're friends

2210
01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:31,319
with a guy guy who is he is on Instagram

2211
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:36,039
and I think a letter box, no, and he collects

2212
01:45:36,039 --> 01:45:38,439
a lot of the old vhs, the original something were

2213
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:40,760
vhs so much or not?

2214
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 4: Like copies for like fifty and sixty bucks so not

2215
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,600
astronomical days, but yeah for And I don't like I said,

2216
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:50,960
I I don't like. I don't save. I mean I

2217
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:53,680
I go from like if I had like my old

2218
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,840
VH and once I got the DVDs, I got rid

2219
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:57,159
of the game, and then once I got the Blue rays.

2220
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,840
I know, I do like to save things. I kind

2221
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,079
of wish I didn't had the room and space to

2222
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:04,840
do that, but I just don't that I needed money

2223
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,039
and I sell stuff, you know what I mean.

2224
01:46:06,119 --> 01:46:09,279
Speaker 3: So it's just yeah, I think Verus Holocheck does that. There.

2225
01:46:09,319 --> 01:46:11,279
I know a few people that have the space to

2226
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,000
do that. But it's like that I don't. I'm not

2227
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:16,640
that I cannot afford to be that kind of collector

2228
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:21,199
multiple iterations, yes, yes, once, yeah, I have piles of

2229
01:46:21,239 --> 01:46:23,479
stuff I need to upgrade from and once I do,

2230
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:25,760
it's gone, like I don't need to keep it.

2231
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's how I am too. Yeah, but but yeah,

2232
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:31,319
it is kind of I'm jealous of people that have

2233
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,560
like huge places where they just have like walls of

2234
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,600
their entire like life collection. I'm just like, that's pretty

2235
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:37,560
cool that you can do that.

2236
01:46:38,279 --> 01:46:40,359
Speaker 3: I can't do them. Yeah all myself. I have a

2237
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:41,920
lot of something where tapes I need to send to

2238
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,520
Alex actually because I have the DVDR so I don't

2239
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:45,359
need the vhs.

2240
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm always It always kind of stuns

2241
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,720
me when I see people still collecting vhs, not because

2242
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,279
it's expensive, just because like I'm a quality whore. So

2243
01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:56,479
it's like I want to see this in the best

2244
01:46:57,239 --> 01:47:01,039
quality possible, so I don't need to spend money on

2245
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:04,000
something that looks worse than I can currently see it.

2246
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:07,119
But I get like the aspect of like it's cool

2247
01:47:07,239 --> 01:47:08,960
to collect this thing and to have it on my

2248
01:47:09,079 --> 01:47:12,279
shelf and shove it in a little you know, a

2249
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:16,239
combo TVVCR player when I'm doing something else in the background,

2250
01:47:16,279 --> 01:47:17,159
you know, that kind of thing.

2251
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:20,199
Speaker 4: But I saw, like this was a few years back

2252
01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:23,239
at an interview with Tarantino, who I don't like to

2253
01:47:23,319 --> 01:47:27,199
mention anymore, but anyway, he was saying that, Yeah he was,

2254
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,600
And it drives me crazy. Anytime you see a release

2255
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,119
like of an old, old cult film, if they can

2256
01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:36,359
find a way to mention him, they will like and

2257
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:40,079
I'm just like, stop doing that, please stop. I don't

2258
01:47:40,079 --> 01:47:42,279
care if it's one of his favorite films, I don't know.

2259
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:44,399
Speaker 2: It sells a hundred more copies.

2260
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, But so the people who made these films do

2261
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:48,880
the same thing. They're like, well, you know, I mean

2262
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,000
this movie in Tarantino love it like I could give

2263
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,119
a shit. I love it, that's what.

2264
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, Yeah exactly.

2265
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,199
Speaker 3: I don't care if he liked it. I liked it.

2266
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. But he gave an interview where he mentioned that

2267
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:02,720
he prefers watching his films on vhs, you know, like,

2268
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,159
and I'm just like, why, what what are you even

2269
01:48:05,279 --> 01:48:07,239
talking about? Like, why would you want to if you've

2270
01:48:07,279 --> 01:48:11,600
got like a restored you know, HD copy, why would

2271
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,279
you want to why what do you even so anyway,

2272
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:16,600
there's why I could get you know what that is.

2273
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,359
Speaker 3: That's a dog whistle to hipster frauds, is what that is,

2274
01:48:20,119 --> 01:48:22,720
isn't it No, Because basically it's like, see, I'm one

2275
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:24,880
of you guys. I like VHS better. I'm like most

2276
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:30,680
VHS collectors do not watch the VHS. They they don't

2277
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,000
have a VHS tape, they don't have a player or

2278
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:33,760
you know.

2279
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just he's become such a boomer boomer, the

2280
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,359
ultimate boomer. I can't Yeah, we could go, I could go.

2281
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:41,600
We could make an entire.

2282
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 3: Bin I think Alex actually the yeah Alex lopcase or

2283
01:48:45,039 --> 01:48:46,840
the guy that we that we talked to all the time.

2284
01:48:47,039 --> 01:48:48,479
He's one of the only people I know that collect

2285
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:50,760
tapes and watches them, which is why I'm like, great,

2286
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,720
if we're gonna collect and watch them, at the very

2287
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:56,319
least you have them. It's media like indulge in the media.

2288
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,239
But he also isn't someone who's like, well, I have

2289
01:48:58,359 --> 01:49:00,520
the tape, I don't need to get the get the.

2290
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 4: Blue Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah, I don't know.

2291
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:07,159
It's just weird.

2292
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 3: And God love Alex too, because he buys a lot

2293
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,600
of tapes of stuff that has been out of print

2294
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,560
for years, and we can't access streaming or downloading, so

2295
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:16,319
he's able to send some stuff that word.

2296
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:18,039
Speaker 2: For us.

2297
01:49:18,199 --> 01:49:21,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's why I was like, I thought

2298
01:49:21,359 --> 01:49:23,640
maybe he might have the cage visions. I could ask

2299
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:24,920
him just so weak.

2300
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:27,279
Speaker 4: I was really surprised that I couldn't find it, Like

2301
01:49:27,399 --> 01:49:29,520
I I, you know, I have a number I look

2302
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,000
to download from him, and I just was like, why

2303
01:49:32,119 --> 01:49:34,920
is this not out there? That's it's weird even on

2304
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:38,239
like I went to some random like Russian video site,

2305
01:49:39,279 --> 01:49:41,079
you know, was like one of those No, it's not

2306
01:49:41,359 --> 01:49:43,199
it's not anywhere. We're really bizarre.

2307
01:49:43,359 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it. I think it is because

2308
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,239
all the subsequent home video releases have basically trounced it,

2309
01:49:49,399 --> 01:49:51,760
so people I don't think people aren't even considering it

2310
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,800
could be a completely alternate version that isn't available. So

2311
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:57,279
people aren't considering that because they have the full complete

2312
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,760
Roland's original version. But if we want us see if

2313
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,640
there is a difference, and with the way Novak distributed

2314
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,880
it and edited it, yeah, we don't have access to that,

2315
01:50:06,279 --> 01:50:08,359
and so I kind of it's like yeah. I originally

2316
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:11,600
thought he didn't, but now that he maybe did, I'd

2317
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,319
at least like to verify for sure.

2318
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 4: So what is what's up with something we'd video? Like

2319
01:50:16,039 --> 01:50:19,279
are they put I mean, are they putting out physical

2320
01:50:19,399 --> 01:50:21,840
releases at any points? I mean I remember there was

2321
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:24,880
like a and then I'm not on Facebook anymore or

2322
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:26,800
any of those platforms, so I don't see a lot

2323
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,399
of stuff. I just remember there was a time when

2324
01:50:28,399 --> 01:50:31,359
they stopped their website changed and they stopped doing what

2325
01:50:31,399 --> 01:50:33,960
they were doing. Is there like an opportunity that they

2326
01:50:34,039 --> 01:50:36,239
might put out their cut of that eventually or is

2327
01:50:36,279 --> 01:50:37,800
that even that?

2328
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:44,119
Speaker 3: Is that is with Novak? And okay, Novak? Well Novak, Harry,

2329
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,439
Rest in peace, I guess yeah, Rest in peace Harry. Yeah,

2330
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,800
as much as I as much as I vishes with Harry,

2331
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:54,000
you know, rest in peace Harry. His wife is now

2332
01:50:54,359 --> 01:50:57,279
the executor of the estate and in charge of those releases,

2333
01:50:57,399 --> 01:51:00,119
and apparently she's very difficult to deal with. So oh

2334
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,079
and also I think that, uh, that's why I've always

2335
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:07,039
wondered how it came out, came out domestically in this country.

2336
01:51:07,399 --> 01:51:10,600
I don't know what rights that the Novak state would

2337
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:13,840
have for this film, because if it's come out here

2338
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,119
is rec waying for a Vampire it's the same film.

2339
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:18,159
Then I don't know if they have to sign off

2340
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:20,520
on it. I don't know if they have sued and

2341
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,399
gotten money. I'm not sure what the situation is with that.

2342
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,319
But access to the Novak version that came out through

2343
01:51:27,319 --> 01:51:29,760
Box Office International, I imagine you would have to go

2344
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:30,279
through them.

2345
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,239
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I wonder if Indicator tried to get it

2346
01:51:33,319 --> 01:51:34,600
as like an extra, like an.

2347
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 3: Altern you know, I wonder too.

2348
01:51:36,039 --> 01:51:39,279
Speaker 4: Actually, it's like the their versions so definitive except for

2349
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,560
that one. There is that alternate, sort of alternative version

2350
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:45,159
out there. So well, I didn't know that about the Novacs.

2351
01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:48,119
That's that's unfortunate, Yeah, because they have a lot of

2352
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:53,600
ship that we want out. Like, yeah, I hate that

2353
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:55,680
when you read about people that have access to or

2354
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,319
that have the rights to these films and they're so difficult.

2355
01:51:57,960 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 2: To deal with and they just want tell us about it.

2356
01:52:00,119 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 4: Work with people, It's like, why what are you doing?

2357
01:52:03,359 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 3: Why? Because they don't care, don't and also yeah, because

2358
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:08,159
they don't get it.

2359
01:52:08,319 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: Well.

2360
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:12,399
Speaker 3: Also, I mean historically I think sales have gone down

2361
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,000
on these things, but I feel like, I feel like

2362
01:52:15,039 --> 01:52:16,840
we're right for a renaissance because I feel like there

2363
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,520
are people who are tired of like the quote unquote

2364
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:21,479
woke bullshit where people are like, well you can't talk

2365
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:23,279
about sex and film. I feel like it go the

2366
01:52:23,319 --> 01:52:25,199
other way around, and it could be like an edge

2367
01:52:25,239 --> 01:52:27,159
lord kind of thing where it's like, well, you know what,

2368
01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:29,640
I'm gonna buy every sex movie possible because I'm edgy

2369
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,960
like that, and it's like, Okay, I applaud that. Let's

2370
01:52:32,039 --> 01:52:35,520
edge lord it up. Please, whatever that's gonna work in

2371
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:38,319
my favor, I'm for it, right, Like, if we're gonna

2372
01:52:38,319 --> 01:52:39,520
be edge lord about.

2373
01:52:39,239 --> 01:52:42,239
Speaker 4: It, let's go yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever it takes.

2374
01:52:42,319 --> 01:52:44,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, do what you gotta do.

2375
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 2: I feel like there's probably not much difference in the

2376
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,680
Caged Virgin's cut because I don't think, you know, because

2377
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,760
Indicator is pretty good about noting stuff like that as well.

2378
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,199
Like sometimes in the booklet or for the Lips of

2379
01:52:56,199 --> 01:52:59,239
Blood booklet, they talked about the suckby vampire and they

2380
01:52:59,279 --> 01:53:02,319
even talked about the right So I feel like that

2381
01:53:02,359 --> 01:53:03,439
would have done something if it.

2382
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:05,520
Speaker 4: Was I I really just think it was just some

2383
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:06,319
tightening up.

2384
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 2: But I do still want to see that.

2385
01:53:08,079 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I do too, just for well, That's

2386
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,359
why I kind of wish they had shown that at

2387
01:53:12,399 --> 01:53:14,119
the New Ever League if they had access to a print.

2388
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:16,760
But then again, the Novaks they might have raised hell

2389
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,800
about it, but I would have liked. I would like

2390
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:20,800
to see it for scene. I would like to see

2391
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:23,840
it theatrically, whether it's in that Novak version or just

2392
01:53:24,039 --> 01:53:26,720
for the original French version, just because I would. I

2393
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,479
think I can't imagine how good it looks on a

2394
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:30,159
big screen.

2395
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 4: Have either of you ever seen a roll on film

2396
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,960
like see one like big screen?

2397
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,760
Speaker 3: Now in New York, of all places, we don't. We

2398
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:41,520
don't have roll off screenings. We have tons of Urgento

2399
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:42,720
and fool Cheat and.

2400
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 4: The one I got to come up one weekend for

2401
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:48,680
my book and I got to see a few of

2402
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:52,840
Sylvia's films scream screen theatrically and it's crazy, and that

2403
01:53:53,079 --> 01:53:57,000
was just amazing, Like I could I never experienced anything. Yeah,

2404
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:58,640
I mean, just seeing those films scream in the mix.

2405
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:01,119
I mean, yeah, So case if there's ever like in

2406
01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:03,600
New York, if there's ever like a roll on retrospective,

2407
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:06,560
let me know, and I can just.

2408
01:54:08,079 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 3: Well at the very least. I mean, even if it

2409
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:14,960
was just the three Brigitte films, Great Fascination, Night of

2410
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:17,199
the Hunted, I mean, that's a weekend we could you

2411
01:54:17,239 --> 01:54:20,680
could do just screenings that. I would love to do that,

2412
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:24,239
even even if it's not a comprehensive survey. I would

2413
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:25,880
love to. I feel like that maybe there was a

2414
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,840
rolanda series a few years ago when I was not

2415
01:54:29,039 --> 01:54:32,720
that they have. It's just not there. It's not a

2416
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:36,920
recurring presence in REP cinema here as much as ourgenta was.

2417
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:39,880
We have midnight screenings of our gentle stuff pretty frequently,

2418
01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:42,840
and I'm like, it's I love our gentle and seeing

2419
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:44,880
in the theater is great, but I kind of I

2420
01:54:45,159 --> 01:54:48,039
crave something different sometimes, and Roland would be different because

2421
01:54:48,039 --> 01:54:48,920
you just don't see him that.

2422
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,239
Speaker 4: Much, you know. Yeah, it's funny you say that. Like

2423
01:54:51,319 --> 01:54:53,840
I had an experience recently where I popped in birded

2424
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,920
with a crystal plumage, which I still love, it's one

2425
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,199
of my favorites. But I just think I was just like,

2426
01:54:58,439 --> 01:55:01,279
I've seen this so many times. Point, I've seen these

2427
01:55:01,399 --> 01:55:05,359
so many times, and it's yeah, I'm just I'm in

2428
01:55:05,439 --> 01:55:07,359
the mood to like discover new things right now.

2429
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:11,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's why how you in the Safe?

2430
01:55:11,359 --> 01:55:13,279
When that came out last year, I raved about that

2431
01:55:13,479 --> 01:55:14,439
and multiple.

2432
01:55:14,279 --> 01:55:16,239
Speaker 4: Still got to get that. Man, I haven't seen that.

2433
01:55:16,399 --> 01:55:20,319
Speaker 3: That was such a breath of fresh air. I was blown.

2434
01:55:20,359 --> 01:55:22,680
I mean I watched it from a download that I

2435
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:25,720
got from another website. I had a DVDR of it,

2436
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:26,760
and I was like, well, let me watch it and

2437
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,319
see if I'm gonna buy this Blu ray. And I

2438
01:55:28,439 --> 01:55:30,199
watched it and I was just like, I cannot wait

2439
01:55:30,279 --> 01:55:32,039
to see this Blu ray because I know it's going

2440
01:55:32,079 --> 01:55:33,840
to be better. The subtitles were better too, from the

2441
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:35,720
version I had. But that was one that I was

2442
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:39,319
telling everyone, see this movie. It's it's it'll It's nice

2443
01:55:39,359 --> 01:55:41,520
to have something that's a complete surprise that when you

2444
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,680
when you think of seen everything in terms of jolly,

2445
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:45,920
then yeah, it's a really nice surprise.

2446
01:55:46,199 --> 01:55:49,079
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that. I love when you discover. Yeah,

2447
01:55:49,239 --> 01:55:50,960
just make major discoveries and you're like, man, I can't

2448
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:53,640
believe this has been out there, and yeah, it's yeah,

2449
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:55,680
so great. We're kind of in a golden age right

2450
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,680
now of some of these companies releasing films that to

2451
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,880
me at least are I'm completely YouTube and I'm just like,

2452
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,600
I don't know this film went on to this director and.

2453
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:05,520
Speaker 2: I'll watch it. I'm still so much more.

2454
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:12,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does make you most much more optimistic. That's

2455
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,880
why I remain optimistic about a lot of stuff in

2456
01:56:15,039 --> 01:56:18,279
terms of boutique label releases and film in general, because

2457
01:56:18,279 --> 01:56:20,520
it's kind of like there's always gonna be something that's

2458
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:23,760
gonna come along and completely like obliterate me and wake

2459
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,760
me up, Like, you know, as as quote unquote bored

2460
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,439
as I might be kind of like, well I've seen everything,

2461
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,560
it's like, well you really haven't, because there's always gonna

2462
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:33,520
be somebody's come along. I was like, why where has

2463
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:35,840
this been my entire life? You know? Yeah?

2464
01:56:36,079 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 4: I saw some guy on YouTube recently cause I late

2465
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:41,680
at night. I I'm heavily medicated and just watching rand

2466
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:42,720
a YouTube channel.

2467
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 2: But.

2468
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:45,359
Speaker 3: Content Jeremy.

2469
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he was talking about how like he felt like,

2470
01:56:50,119 --> 01:56:52,520
you know, everything was everything at argument released, there wasn't

2471
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:54,000
anything to look forward to. I'm like, dude, what are

2472
01:56:54,079 --> 01:56:56,600
you even talking about? There is just there is so

2473
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:02,119
much cinema out there that's just unseen. Yeah, we've been looking.

2474
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,119
Speaker 3: At like the nineties. For a while, I was going

2475
01:57:05,159 --> 01:57:06,840
through a period of trying to see every movie that

2476
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,640
was nominated for the Independent Spirit an Independent Spirit Award

2477
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:11,920
in any category. There are films in the eighties and

2478
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:15,439
nineties that have never been released past VHS, not even DVD,

2479
01:57:16,079 --> 01:57:18,000
and not even Blu ray yet. So I'm just kind

2480
01:57:18,039 --> 01:57:20,760
of like, there are so much stuff, not even genre stuff,

2481
01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:23,720
like there's studios stuff that hasn't been really I mean,

2482
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,399
we're finally getting Last Summer from Warner Archive, which they

2483
01:57:26,439 --> 01:57:28,640
just announced, and I thought that would never happen, So

2484
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:30,640
I'm waiting for I'm excited for that movie to blow

2485
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:34,640
minds because that hasn't been available on cut in decades

2486
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:36,880
since like the early eighties when it first came out

2487
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,279
on VHS. So and Night of the Juggler just came

2488
01:57:39,279 --> 01:57:41,319
out last year, and that never came out on anything

2489
01:57:41,319 --> 01:57:45,479
after VHS, so there's always I remain optimistic about it,

2490
01:57:45,479 --> 01:57:48,119
and that's why I like Sidewalks of Bangkok. I'm hoping

2491
01:57:48,319 --> 01:57:52,000
that we will get that. Crazier things have happened, you know.

2492
01:57:52,079 --> 01:57:53,920
I didn't think we'd be getting four K of any role.

2493
01:57:54,359 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, positivity, like the only thing that like,

2494
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,000
I'm it's a very I find right now to be

2495
01:58:01,039 --> 01:58:03,880
a very depressing time, and I it's a struggle to

2496
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:05,319
keep my spirits.

2497
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 2: Up some days.

2498
01:58:06,319 --> 01:58:09,399
Speaker 4: And like watching these movies, reviewing these, was writing about them,

2499
01:58:09,479 --> 01:58:12,960
researching them. That's really keeps me going. Like the excitement

2500
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,479
of that, Yeah, I appreciate that what you said just then,

2501
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,920
I mean, it does keep me that positive and like

2502
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:20,840
a very kind of increasing dark time.

2503
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 3: Well you know what, actually what was crazy to me,

2504
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:28,640
what actually made me so happy randomly out of nowhere

2505
01:58:29,359 --> 01:58:32,680
was all the Doris Wishman nudistcamp movies, because I just

2506
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,359
bought all those and I was like, I remember being, oh,

2507
01:58:35,399 --> 01:58:37,079
this is just so stupid. He's just so bad, something

2508
01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:41,800
about the bold color, the stupid stories, like just people

2509
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:44,520
enjoying being naked under the sun. And I was like,

2510
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,520
you know what, this is a breath afresh, Like why

2511
01:58:49,039 --> 01:58:51,880
why is this completely healing my heart right now? These

2512
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,880
stupid doors Wishman movies, these idiots going to the moon

2513
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,199
and finding aliens with then you want to run naked,

2514
01:58:57,239 --> 01:58:59,760
but then with paper pipe cleaners on their head, Like

2515
01:59:00,079 --> 01:59:02,319
why is this saving my life right now?

2516
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:06,439
Speaker 4: It's just there's a liberating. There's a liberating freedom about it.

2517
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:09,000
To me, there's just a liberating quality about it. They're

2518
01:59:09,039 --> 01:59:11,520
just absent now. I just do not feel it anymore.

2519
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:14,119
Speaker 2: It's like a joy of filmmaking, you know.

2520
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2521
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 2: I just like, let's me make a joy as much.

2522
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:17,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2523
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:21,119
Speaker 4: Yeah. Even I watched a couple of like really like

2524
01:59:21,319 --> 01:59:24,760
no SOV titles lately, like no no budget, you know,

2525
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:28,199
shot in somebody's living room, and I was just like, so, like,

2526
01:59:28,319 --> 01:59:30,159
this is the quality of like, let's make a movie,

2527
01:59:30,199 --> 01:59:32,359
be let's get this movie made. I just love that.

2528
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,840
I just think that's such an admirable because I don't

2529
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:36,319
have that in me, and I don't have that kind

2530
01:59:36,319 --> 01:59:39,079
of community around me where I could do that. But

2531
01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:41,119
I just people that are able to do that. I

2532
01:59:41,279 --> 01:59:44,119
just think it's so cool. And especially I just have

2533
01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:45,920
gotten to the point where I don't have any interest

2534
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,399
in seeing movies that are made for hundreds and hundreds

2535
01:59:48,399 --> 01:59:51,439
of millions dollars. I just find that kind of gross now.

2536
01:59:52,399 --> 01:59:55,880
So I just really like discovering people who managed to

2537
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:57,399
make these films and keep making films.

2538
01:59:57,399 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 2: I just love that.

2539
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:00,640
Speaker 3: I just think it's great, right, is it actually what

2540
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:03,920
it was? A Bowen said on our on our episode

2541
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:06,600
with him, that really resonated me was that when something

2542
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:09,600
becomes easy, it no longer becomes it's no longer an

2543
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:15,399
art form. Yeah, like there's a certain challenge challenges associated yes,

2544
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:18,640
where you are creating and it's not going to be

2545
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:22,600
easy and it maybe shouldn't be easy. And that goes

2546
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:24,199
back to the AI of it all, where it's like, well,

2547
02:00:24,279 --> 02:00:25,680
this makes it really easy. I can just tell something

2548
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:27,600
what to do, and it's like, yeah, well it's stealing

2549
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,560
from somebody else that worked hard on something and you're

2550
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:30,119
doing nothing.

2551
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:35,319
Speaker 4: So the AI stuff, just the generative AI stuff makes

2552
02:00:35,359 --> 02:00:38,560
me so angry, like I cannot and I can. It's

2553
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:42,159
so depressing how it's just being so accepted and embraced

2554
02:00:42,279 --> 02:00:47,399
and it's just it's it's as devastating to me, Like

2555
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:50,600
and I really worry about I mean, I just worry

2556
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:52,439
that like if a boutique lab will come, like if

2557
02:00:52,439 --> 02:00:55,159
they start doing these kind of eight quote AI restorations,

2558
02:00:55,239 --> 02:00:58,600
AI upscales and like IV already happened. Yeah I know,

2559
02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:00,880
I think and yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.

2560
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 3: I forget which one it was, but somebody was talking

2561
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:04,039
about I read it. I was like, oh, this is

2562
02:01:04,079 --> 02:01:06,760
an AI upscale that they released on Blu Ray and

2563
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:07,880
didn't label it as such.

2564
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 4: A Lindsay and Better Lindsay to the Killer Must Kill Again,

2565
02:01:12,199 --> 02:01:14,319
which was pretty controversial over the movie.

2566
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of, Yes, and I'm.

2567
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:20,279
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, No, I didn't. I didn't call I in

2568
02:01:20,359 --> 02:01:22,600
my review of it. I just said because I don't

2569
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,600
have like a I don't feel like I have kind

2570
02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:27,920
of like a professional setup where I can judge completely

2571
02:01:28,079 --> 02:01:30,399
what is going on like behind the scenes. But I

2572
02:01:30,479 --> 02:01:33,039
knew something was up with that release, like something was

2573
02:01:33,159 --> 02:01:35,119
and then I read I'm like, cause I kind of

2574
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:38,800
suspected this looks like an AI upscale and I was like, man,

2575
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:41,359
I hope it's not. And I still haven't heard like,

2576
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,199
but it definitely looks like it. And the frustrating thing was,

2577
02:01:45,039 --> 02:01:47,039
and it was one reason that I didn't like completely

2578
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:48,520
go off in my review of it is because it

2579
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:52,079
came from they worked with Better Lindsay himself, like he's

2580
02:01:52,159 --> 02:01:52,680
involved in.

2581
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:57,319
Speaker 3: The release, or Luisa Cotzy coatze, I'm sorry, coachsy No,

2582
02:01:57,439 --> 02:01:59,880
that's fine because you know, you know what Luis Cotsey,

2583
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,319
I mean, the guy who wrote our cottails, his entire career.

2584
02:02:05,479 --> 02:02:07,439
You don't see yeah, yeah, but he doesn't know how

2585
02:02:07,479 --> 02:02:09,039
to do something without using a Yeah.

2586
02:02:09,079 --> 02:02:11,399
Speaker 4: But it's like, man, if you're getting if that's if

2587
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:14,319
we're going to have directors start doing that for you know,

2588
02:02:14,399 --> 02:02:18,000
it's a really it's very concerning. And I just, man,

2589
02:02:18,079 --> 02:02:21,079
I and I'm convinced that these major studios are going

2590
02:02:21,159 --> 02:02:23,720
to start messing with their classic films. Like I don't

2591
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:25,960
know exactly what they're gonna do, but I just it's

2592
02:02:26,439 --> 02:02:26,880
I hate it.

2593
02:02:27,239 --> 02:02:28,079
Speaker 2: Who puts that out?

2594
02:02:28,439 --> 02:02:33,000
Speaker 4: What's called a company called rust Blade and they connected

2595
02:02:33,079 --> 02:02:35,119
with him. I thought it was a good release. I mean,

2596
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:37,680
it's it's it's but it's just it it does have

2597
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:41,840
there's this kind of plastic, smooth look about it.

2598
02:02:42,079 --> 02:02:43,560
Speaker 3: Well, it's just the book.

2599
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:45,760
Speaker 4: There's something not quite right. And I and it was

2600
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:48,159
frustrating because they didn't give any if it would if

2601
02:02:48,199 --> 02:02:50,159
it had been a case of like, we don't have

2602
02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:52,479
access to the original negative we wanted to get this

2603
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:54,960
out in HD to be honest with what they were doing,

2604
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:57,079
but as it is, they didn't have any information at all,

2605
02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:59,640
So you just don't know what exactly well.

2606
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,920
Speaker 3: I mean, well, Monda micabro I think that was something

2607
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,720
that came to my attention. Apparently the Criterion Collection had

2608
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,479
a version of a new HD version of Alucarda on

2609
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:12,000
there and it was an AI upscale, and I thought

2610
02:03:12,039 --> 02:03:13,159
that it was a Monda Micabro.

2611
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:14,039
Speaker 2: It was not.

2612
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:20,720
Speaker 3: Criterion is an AI upscale because the negative is gone

2613
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,159
and modern Micawber has been very open about this that

2614
02:03:23,239 --> 02:03:25,880
they want to do a Blu ray. They cannot because

2615
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:29,479
there is no element available. They didn't do this AI upscale.

2616
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:33,319
Apparently the rights owner did. But that's just goes to

2617
02:03:33,359 --> 02:03:38,359
show you certain companies with morals like Mondon Micabro are

2618
02:03:38,479 --> 02:03:41,039
not going to do that. They're going to say I'm sorry, guys,

2619
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:42,439
this is not possible.

2620
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:44,720
Speaker 4: And those are the companies that I really, I really

2621
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:46,920
want to follow those companies. I want to, you know,

2622
02:03:47,079 --> 02:03:51,079
I I because I just, yeah, I really, because I

2623
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:53,640
was watching you know, they've been doing it with TV shows,

2624
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:56,479
streaming TV shows, older shows, they've been doing AI up

2625
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:59,079
scales for like Roseanne, and it.

2626
02:03:59,239 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 3: Just looks horrible. Well you can tell, yeah, you can tell.

2627
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:04,680
Speaker 4: It looks horrible. And I'm like, God, please stop doing this,

2628
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:06,279
just stop.

2629
02:04:06,359 --> 02:04:09,239
Speaker 3: Nobody's asking for it. And that's kind of the interesting thing.

2630
02:04:09,319 --> 02:04:12,319
And like you know, in terms of Rolant, I mean

2631
02:04:12,359 --> 02:04:16,319
the fact that historically throughout his career he had these

2632
02:04:16,359 --> 02:04:20,119
issues with getting his films made financially and then seen

2633
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:22,560
by people because the distribution was so terrible all the time.

2634
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:26,039
But I even think Rolana, if you gave him the

2635
02:04:26,119 --> 02:04:28,720
option of like, well, you know, AI will get your

2636
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:31,720
movie done quicker and more affordably, and more people will

2637
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:33,560
see it if we use AI to do this, I

2638
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:35,079
think he wouldn't have said yes to that.

2639
02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:37,520
Speaker 4: No, I don't. I don't. I don't think so either.

2640
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:39,640
Speaker 3: I mean why would he because then it takes away

2641
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:44,239
everything that is part of his creative, his creativity for

2642
02:04:44,319 --> 02:04:44,560
me to.

2643
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 4: See, like directors not speaking out more about this stuff,

2644
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:50,520
Like I just don't understand why they don't see the

2645
02:04:51,279 --> 02:04:51,600
I don't know.

2646
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate the argument that's like, well, it's here,

2647
02:04:54,720 --> 02:04:56,640
so there's nothing we can do about it. It's like, yeah,

2648
02:04:56,680 --> 02:04:57,520
there is something you can.

2649
02:04:57,439 --> 02:04:57,800
Speaker 4: Do about it.

2650
02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeahsane argument, ever, because there's all sorts of ship

2651
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:03,680
that it was here fifty years ago that isn't here now.

2652
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:07,720
I mean, yeah, we women couldn't vote, No, I mean

2653
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:11,000
it was part of our it was part of the culture.

2654
02:05:11,119 --> 02:05:13,720
It still is, but you know things have changed for

2655
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:15,880
the better. You can't just throw your hands and I'd

2656
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:17,159
be like, well, I guess it is what it is.

2657
02:05:17,560 --> 02:05:18,000
We'll let.

2658
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:22,399
Speaker 4: Very ari aster is that her name?

2659
02:05:22,439 --> 02:05:26,119
Speaker 3: That ud uh Midsummer and.

2660
02:05:28,079 --> 02:05:30,560
Speaker 4: And the interview was basically like Gentry just said that

2661
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:32,479
was what he said. It's like, well, it's here, so

2662
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,079
we just kind of have And it's like, dude, you

2663
02:05:34,359 --> 02:05:37,680
have a major following, you have a major platform. You

2664
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:39,840
could literally just say right now, I will not work

2665
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:41,720
with any companies that do that. It would be an

2666
02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:44,199
easy thing, but just none of them. I mean, it's

2667
02:05:44,279 --> 02:05:48,359
just depressing, Like even I don't know, it's just it's

2668
02:05:48,479 --> 02:05:49,000
it's bizarre.

2669
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because I think a lot of it would

2670
02:05:52,159 --> 02:05:54,840
be like, well, we're powerless to stop it. It's like, really,

2671
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:58,439
you are the creatives in a creative industry. You don't

2672
02:05:58,479 --> 02:06:00,800
have the power to stop it. You're also unionize. Your

2673
02:06:01,039 --> 02:06:03,239
unions aren't going to do something about this and go

2674
02:06:03,319 --> 02:06:05,439
on strike and say we're not doing this. They make

2675
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:07,680
no stands when they have the power to do something

2676
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:10,159
about it. It's just it's very frustrating to me.

2677
02:06:10,439 --> 02:06:13,800
Speaker 2: Yes, it's you know, yeah, well what the restoration talking

2678
02:06:13,800 --> 02:06:16,920
about the killer must kill again? You know, I'd like

2679
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:21,119
to talk to someone that actually does digital restoration to

2680
02:06:21,279 --> 02:06:23,600
get a nuanced view, because I know that there is

2681
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:27,520
sometimes you know, what we might call AI that's used

2682
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:29,920
to like clean up little dust and stuff like that.

2683
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:32,720
So I think it is like there is a gray

2684
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:35,159
area there with regard to it, like you.

2685
02:06:35,239 --> 02:06:38,039
Speaker 4: Clean up with me that you have a program, an

2686
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:41,479
AI program that just basically, yeah, removes like does a

2687
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,600
basic cleaning that is not taking away somebody's job and

2688
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:47,680
it's not altering the movie. That's I don't really have

2689
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:49,520
an issue. It is kind of a gray area, but

2690
02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:52,439
that's not something. But it's the it's the AI up scales.

2691
02:06:52,479 --> 02:06:54,079
It's degenerative AI upscale.

2692
02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:57,199
Speaker 3: Just that's kind of the issue because the upscale is

2693
02:06:57,680 --> 02:07:01,199
not the upscale isn't part of the clean up, right,

2694
02:07:01,359 --> 02:07:04,920
it's don't even those tools, Yeah, those tools to clean

2695
02:07:05,079 --> 02:07:08,920
stuff up, those have been around like that's that's and

2696
02:07:09,039 --> 02:07:12,840
they have been us It's yeah, it's trying to it's creating,

2697
02:07:13,319 --> 02:07:15,760
it's creating something out of nothing to make.

2698
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:19,119
Speaker 4: Something Like I was watching one of the it's yeah, yeah,

2699
02:07:19,159 --> 02:07:21,359
I was watching one of the Roseanne Upscale just because

2700
02:07:21,359 --> 02:07:24,079
I was curious about it upscales on I think it's

2701
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:27,359
on Peacock or some one of those streaming but anyway,

2702
02:07:27,439 --> 02:07:29,520
I I was just like, what am I even watching

2703
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:31,880
right now? Am I? Am I even watching this actual show?

2704
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:36,920
Or am I watching an AI representation of it? Like

2705
02:07:37,039 --> 02:07:39,039
I don't even know what I'm looking at? And it

2706
02:07:39,159 --> 02:07:42,159
was so bizarre, like why did yeah?

2707
02:07:42,199 --> 02:07:44,680
Speaker 3: And that's something else? How was I not violating some

2708
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:48,439
kind of saghirl for all those actors where it's impacting

2709
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:51,600
their performance and they didn't sign off for that to

2710
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:55,319
be done exactly? Why Why is that? Why is that

2711
02:07:55,479 --> 02:07:58,239
not being discussed and not doing anything?

2712
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:02,479
Speaker 4: It's just I think for for deceased performers or anybody

2713
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:07,600
right to use the use their likeness. I mean, it's

2714
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:10,840
just it is. It's deeply immoral to me, Like if

2715
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:14,640
I unless they signed off on something, then it's it's

2716
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:17,119
just not right. I Yeah, I don't know.

2717
02:08:17,239 --> 02:08:18,720
Speaker 3: Oh, you mean like they want to use AI to

2718
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:22,319
recreate all the missing ship from Magnificent Amberson's exactly. Yeah,

2719
02:08:22,439 --> 02:08:27,479
it's WELLS would have never agreed to that ever. Yeah,

2720
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:29,479
I mean for the very you know what at least

2721
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,479
for it. Basically, if only for the reason that he

2722
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:34,319
couldn't complain about Warner Brothers anymore.

2723
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean, at the very.

2724
02:08:35,640 --> 02:08:37,800
Speaker 3: Least he could see he could then it would take

2725
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:41,399
away his tortured artist narrative for one second of all,

2726
02:08:41,479 --> 02:08:43,399
this is morally repugnican, but it would take away his

2727
02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:46,600
complaining rights, which as a as a chronic complainer, we

2728
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:47,800
don't want to lose those rights.

2729
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:51,479
Speaker 4: We want to be able to Yeah, yeah, I was, Yeah,

2730
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:54,760
I it's I don't understand. And you know, I see

2731
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:57,840
like little snippets online of people like recreating people from

2732
02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:59,760
the past doing and it's just like, what gives you

2733
02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:02,159
their I to do that? I mean, this is just

2734
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:05,880
really upsetting to me to see. I don't know, I

2735
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:06,359
don't get it.

2736
02:09:06,479 --> 02:09:07,640
Speaker 2: It's it's not good.

2737
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:10,840
Speaker 3: Next we're going to see like brisiteit turning into a

2738
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:13,920
zombie in Grapes of Death. And then yeah, the film I.

2739
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:17,119
Speaker 4: Can really picture like in the future like subscription services

2740
02:09:17,159 --> 02:09:21,199
where you can like basically create your own movies using

2741
02:09:21,359 --> 02:09:24,399
actors that have been rights have been purchased for the

2742
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:26,560
I don't know, I hate it. I just think it's

2743
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:27,319
depressing as well.

2744
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:28,399
Speaker 3: I hate that idea.

2745
02:09:29,359 --> 02:09:31,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's.

2746
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 3: Why I'm not a creative. I like and I like

2747
02:09:35,319 --> 02:09:39,439
taking in the work of creatives. I have accepted for

2748
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:41,840
a long long time. I am not a creative as

2749
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:43,760
the people that it was work I like to watch.

2750
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:47,199
I would rather enjoy them and amplify them and celebrate

2751
02:09:47,279 --> 02:09:50,720
them rather than try to imitate them, try to take

2752
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:53,199
their work and create something. Yeah, like, yeah, the.

2753
02:09:53,279 --> 02:09:55,439
Speaker 4: People that can actually make a movie, like I don't

2754
02:09:55,479 --> 02:09:57,279
have that in me. I just know I don't have

2755
02:09:57,399 --> 02:09:57,720
that in me.

2756
02:09:57,880 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 3: I definitely don't.

2757
02:09:59,079 --> 02:10:02,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm happy to, like you said, take it in,

2758
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:04,560
embrace it, and yeah, celebrate it. Yeah yeah.

2759
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:07,239
Speaker 2: But the people that are making these AI movies there,

2760
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:10,560
they don't have the talent, so they're like, wow, democracy,

2761
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:13,520
this democratizes it for me, So now I can't. It's like,

2762
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:14,880
well maybe you shouldn't.

2763
02:10:15,239 --> 02:10:17,680
Speaker 4: You don't. I want to roddle somebody, like seriously, like

2764
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:21,359
what's happening, Like music is streaming, music is completely being

2765
02:10:21,399 --> 02:10:24,359
taken over by this AI junk, and you'll see interviews

2766
02:10:24,359 --> 02:10:27,520
with people talking about, you know, my create, my process

2767
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:30,399
and my and I'm just like, shut the fuck up.

2768
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:33,119
Speaker 3: I mean, you have no process to press a button.

2769
02:10:34,199 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, you put a prompt in and I'm like, what

2770
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,880
are you talking about. It's yeah, I don't know.

2771
02:10:39,560 --> 02:10:41,720
Speaker 3: The well frequent argument I see it's like, well, you know,

2772
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:44,960
some people aren't born by talent. I'm like, nobody is

2773
02:10:45,039 --> 02:10:49,520
fucking born b talent. We're born shitting our pants. We're

2774
02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:53,399
not born with anything. We we we work at it,

2775
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:56,800
we learn, we practice, and we do all that stuff.

2776
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,920
Like I was not born with the ability to write

2777
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:03,199
and complete sentences. Nobody is born with that. If you don't,

2778
02:11:03,239 --> 02:11:04,800
if you want to be lazy and not work at it,

2779
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:07,039
just say that. Just say I'm lazy. Don't make it

2780
02:11:07,119 --> 02:11:09,840
seem like well this really democratized. No, it doesn't. It

2781
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:13,920
gives it basically makes you a lazy motherfucker.

2782
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:18,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, And I hate that. It also damages people

2783
02:11:18,119 --> 02:11:21,279
who like I've I've wonder like I want people to

2784
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:23,479
be aware that I don't use that, you know what

2785
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:26,119
I mean? Like, I feel like writers who I don't

2786
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,560
want I wouldn't want anybody to ever think that I

2787
02:11:29,079 --> 02:11:31,159
use that, or anybody that I like you or gentry.

2788
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:33,439
I mean, it's just so onus.

2789
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:36,600
Speaker 3: Is on us now as as writers to basically like, Nope,

2790
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:38,840
I didn't use chatty to do this, and why because

2791
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:41,560
I'm a fucking grown up and I practiced writing. I

2792
02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:42,920
got a degree that I paid for.

2793
02:11:43,479 --> 02:11:47,239
Speaker 4: I I do what I'm enjoy doing, Like I enjoy

2794
02:11:47,439 --> 02:11:51,560
doing this. My mom I recently called me and she

2795
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:53,680
she had read something that I had written, and she

2796
02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:55,960
was like, you know you She mentioned a typo like

2797
02:11:56,479 --> 02:11:57,960
it's misspen and I'm like, no, it's fine, keep it.

2798
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:00,079
It's fine at this point, just keep it. I want it.

2799
02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:02,800
I want people to be aware that the human being

2800
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:05,000
there's going to be imperfections. I'm okay with that.

2801
02:12:05,159 --> 02:12:07,079
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, isn't that crazy?

2802
02:12:07,079 --> 02:12:08,680
Speaker 3: That's what we have to do now we have to

2803
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:11,600
like yeah, but that's also on the flip side. That's

2804
02:12:11,600 --> 02:12:14,159
how you can tell it's shatypt. Apparently it's the dash.

2805
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:19,880
Apparently CHATTYPT likes to use dashes instead of semi Collin's ellipses.

2806
02:12:20,359 --> 02:12:20,840
They just do it.

2807
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:23,359
Speaker 4: That's because I used to actually do that. I mean,

2808
02:12:23,399 --> 02:12:24,199
I use am I writing.

2809
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:26,279
Speaker 3: I like to do those really.

2810
02:12:27,640 --> 02:12:31,119
Speaker 4: Crazy because I don't want people to think that. I mean,

2811
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:35,439
I know it does suck. It does, and I think

2812
02:12:35,479 --> 02:12:39,159
that for anybody, any like, if you're a musician, writer, filmmaker,

2813
02:12:39,279 --> 02:12:42,079
right now, it's like you're like competing and dealing with

2814
02:12:42,199 --> 02:12:45,119
these people using this stuff, and it's we're.

2815
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:49,600
Speaker 3: Not doing anything right. You're you're actively working and competing

2816
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:53,760
as people who are intentionally trying not to work and

2817
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:56,279
try to get these exact same accolades without putting any

2818
02:12:56,319 --> 02:12:58,800
effort into it whatsoever. And I'm just like, well, you know,

2819
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:00,720
and it is. Yeah, it's like Michael said, it's like

2820
02:13:01,159 --> 02:13:05,000
I listen as someone with major mental health issues. I

2821
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:07,840
know the struggle is real because I've had my entire

2822
02:13:07,960 --> 02:13:10,800
life as someone who likes to write and and do that.

2823
02:13:11,079 --> 02:13:14,199
But I wouldn't sacrifice that for anything, because I know

2824
02:13:14,279 --> 02:13:16,880
that I've grown as a writer that a god struggle

2825
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:21,760
and feedback and adjusted and things like that. Yeah. Yeah,

2826
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,119
And also I guess I'm part of generations that are

2827
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:28,880
dying out now, where like the act of cheating was

2828
02:13:29,079 --> 02:13:32,720
very heavily handmered into me that that is morally repugnant.

2829
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:35,560
You don't do it. I consider this cheating, Yes, pleasure,

2830
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:38,479
I consider it cheating. So why, Yeah, I think that

2831
02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:41,039
that's lost. I'm afraid of all those generations who are

2832
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:44,239
now just like, yeah, it's going to consider like plagiarism.

2833
02:13:44,319 --> 02:13:47,239
Where where's the where's plagiarism going to begin and end? Now?

2834
02:13:48,039 --> 02:13:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that was always like a huge thing with me,

2835
02:13:50,119 --> 02:13:52,520
like I always want to make sure that I wasn't accidentally,

2836
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:55,399
you know, copying something somebody else had said, something I

2837
02:13:55,560 --> 02:13:58,319
was so aware of, like I never wanted to. And

2838
02:13:58,479 --> 02:14:01,119
now it's just so open and people or I mean

2839
02:14:01,279 --> 02:14:04,239
all ai ai is plagiarism. That's I mean, it's just

2840
02:14:04,399 --> 02:14:07,920
stealing from me. And so I don't know, I don't

2841
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:09,359
know what the future is going to hold with this

2842
02:14:09,479 --> 02:14:11,840
kind of stuff, but it's I do feel like we're

2843
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:13,359
our generation is kind of dying out.

2844
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:16,880
Speaker 3: That's why that's why we stay in the past.

2845
02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, And I know it's stressful to think

2846
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:22,399
about and it's depressing, but you know, I'm talking to you, Jeremy,

2847
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:25,079
just like, do your thing. That's what I try to do.

2848
02:14:25,279 --> 02:14:28,479
What I'm trying to focus on what you're doing, and

2849
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:30,479
don't worry about those people.

2850
02:14:30,880 --> 02:14:33,479
Speaker 3: I couldn't write an in depth book about Sylvia Crissell.

2851
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:34,239
I appreciate that.

2852
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:37,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't have said I can't.

2853
02:14:37,359 --> 02:14:40,119
Speaker 3: Watch all of her films a. I can't. I can't

2854
02:14:40,119 --> 02:14:42,159
speak to people. I can't do that.

2855
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:45,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't understand, Like that's how I

2856
02:14:45,079 --> 02:14:48,840
get joy in life, watching research and writing, That's how

2857
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:50,840
I get joy. And I just the idea that you

2858
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:55,199
would it's nourishing, it's and and you know, I don't

2859
02:14:55,399 --> 02:14:58,039
make money. I don't. I'm I'm poor and live in

2860
02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:02,399
a little studio and work as a barista and you know,

2861
02:15:02,479 --> 02:15:05,079
I don't make any money. I just enjoy doing it,

2862
02:15:05,359 --> 02:15:08,960
you know. And yeah, I don't know. I can see

2863
02:15:09,039 --> 02:15:11,840
like certain people using AI that will make a lot

2864
02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:14,880
of money and will, but it's just soulless. And I

2865
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:17,279
would never I couldn't live with myself like I would

2866
02:15:17,319 --> 02:15:19,760
just be so flabbergasted that I would, you know.

2867
02:15:19,960 --> 02:15:24,840
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, so go check out Jeremy's website, Nostalgia Kinky.

2868
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:29,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely no.

2869
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:31,680
Speaker 4: And I just enjoy having my own little space because

2870
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,439
I'm not really on I mean, I'm on Blue Sky,

2871
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:36,439
but I don't really I kind of get on there

2872
02:15:36,479 --> 02:15:37,800
in the evening and just see what's going on in

2873
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:41,520
the world and what ship heads done today, and you know,

2874
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:44,479
and then get off. I'm not really on social media anymore.

2875
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:46,640
But I you know, I love Letterbox, and I just

2876
02:15:47,159 --> 02:15:49,239
I come home and I look forward to watching whatever

2877
02:15:49,359 --> 02:15:51,920
movie I've got and writing a little bit about it,

2878
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:55,199
and yeah, just like just trying to keep some sort

2879
02:15:55,239 --> 02:15:59,439
of positive happiness and happiness in this life right now, because.

2880
02:15:59,479 --> 02:16:01,560
Speaker 2: This is not That's all you can do. That's all

2881
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:01,880
you can do.

2882
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:03,439
Speaker 4: That's all you can do, because man, this is not

2883
02:16:03,560 --> 02:16:06,319
the future that the nineties that I thought was gonna happen.

2884
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:10,600
Speaker 3: No, No, and that's c think this this this basically

2885
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:13,359
the two thousand started with like we got over y

2886
02:16:13,439 --> 02:16:15,039
two K fears, and then all of a sudden we

2887
02:16:15,079 --> 02:16:17,920
started getting these amazing DVDs and all these movies that

2888
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,000
we thought were lost forever. I remember, I remember when

2889
02:16:20,399 --> 02:16:23,640
Blue Underground put out Uzenni, the story of for Journey

2890
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:25,640
to Perversion, which I never thought I was going to

2891
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:28,319
ever see, and I was like, Okay, well that anything

2892
02:16:28,439 --> 02:16:32,239
is possible. If I can see this movie, yeh be awesome.

2893
02:16:32,319 --> 02:16:34,799
The future is golden. And I mean we're I mean

2894
02:16:34,879 --> 02:16:37,280
we just got two we got too lost Andy Milligan

2895
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:40,120
movies last year, like we're there's still so much to

2896
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:45,639
look forward to. It keeps me so optimistic. I mean, yeah,

2897
02:16:45,639 --> 02:16:48,520
I mean, there's obviously a lot going on, but yeah,

2898
02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:50,440
that's why I like and I've loved going backwards and

2899
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:54,040
looking watching revisiting films, and maybe I don't remember liking

2900
02:16:54,079 --> 02:16:55,760
that much, and I'm like, you know what, this is

2901
02:16:55,879 --> 02:16:59,319
really hitting this time and like there you know, yeah.

2902
02:16:59,440 --> 02:16:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2903
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:02,879
Speaker 3: I'm also thinking, like, well, it's funny. Before we started recording,

2904
02:17:02,920 --> 02:17:05,159
we did an intro and Genter reminded me that we've

2905
02:17:05,159 --> 02:17:08,399
been doing this for a year now. It's crazy that

2906
02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:10,719
we've been doing this for a year. But in that year,

2907
02:17:10,799 --> 02:17:14,200
I'm also remembering, like, Gentry, you saw All American Girl

2908
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:17,440
for the first time. Yeah, you saw what else, secret Places,

2909
02:17:17,520 --> 02:17:20,479
secret Things for the first time, toy Box for the

2910
02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:20,959
first time.

2911
02:17:21,239 --> 02:17:23,079
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think what other ones I gave, like

2912
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:25,200
four or five stars, A cute QUI.

2913
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:27,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first two you mentioned there I put on

2914
02:17:27,360 --> 02:17:28,959
my watch list because I've not seen those.

2915
02:17:29,520 --> 02:17:30,799
Speaker 3: All American American Girls.

2916
02:17:30,879 --> 02:17:33,040
Speaker 4: Such a master stuff about him, and I was like,

2917
02:17:33,120 --> 02:17:36,120
oh man, because I saw both of you yees. Typically

2918
02:17:36,159 --> 02:17:38,040
when I put on a film, I always scroll down

2919
02:17:38,120 --> 02:17:40,680
and I see you guys rating them high. I immediately

2920
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:42,280
put that in my watch list because I know we're

2921
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:44,000
kind of all on the same wavelength as well what

2922
02:17:44,079 --> 02:17:44,840
we like and stuff.

2923
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, I will give you a warning if you

2924
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:49,879
see a rating of Mind that is high, but there's

2925
02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:54,600
no review. It's a historical radio. No that makes when

2926
02:17:54,600 --> 02:17:57,479
I rated it when I was like in high school,

2927
02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:00,239
like when I was starting, because I've gone back and

2928
02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:02,120
taken some five stars back for sure.

2929
02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:05,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I there was some stuff there was, like

2930
02:18:05,559 --> 02:18:07,079
you know on like Moon in the Gut or the

2931
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:08,920
old blog I used to have. I've gone back and

2932
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:10,479
some of the stuff I've written there, I'm like, ah,

2933
02:18:10,840 --> 02:18:13,799
I don't know, I'm not that's it's just the different Yeah.

2934
02:18:13,959 --> 02:18:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're entitled.

2935
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:17,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, why did I rave about this? And then

2936
02:18:17,479 --> 02:18:19,280
it'll change my mind on stuff like what did I

2937
02:18:19,399 --> 02:18:20,840
change my mind about that? I was like, I was

2938
02:18:20,879 --> 02:18:24,959
fucking out of my mind. Oh the ram Roder, which

2939
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:26,719
we did an episode of and I I didn't like

2940
02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:28,520
The ram Roder when I reviewed it on DVD, and

2941
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:30,000
then I watched it again, I was like, oh, I

2942
02:18:30,159 --> 02:18:32,239
really like this. Actually we did a whole episode on it,

2943
02:18:32,239 --> 02:18:34,639
and I was perfectly. I was very happy to get

2944
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:36,239
people to pay attention to that one again.

2945
02:18:36,879 --> 02:18:39,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. I remember you said that he never

2946
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,159
changed his mind about a movie, and I always thought

2947
02:18:42,239 --> 02:18:44,840
that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Like I'd keeped

2948
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:47,479
my mind on art all the time, whether it's music, movies,

2949
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:50,840
it it hits different. I mean, yeah, and some things

2950
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:52,959
you have to watch more than once. I mean you

2951
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:55,239
have to, like you know, it's yeah, so right.

2952
02:18:55,719 --> 02:18:58,799
Speaker 3: Movies definitely changed, especially they also age in different ways.

2953
02:18:58,879 --> 02:19:00,719
Like there are some movies that I'm we're liking way

2954
02:19:00,799 --> 02:19:03,479
better and there's yeah, I mean it goes both ways,

2955
02:19:03,479 --> 02:19:05,440
where there's something I'm like, well, I really loved this,

2956
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:08,520
maybe I'll love it again, and I go back, I'm like, actually,

2957
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:12,680
this doesn't really match my mindset. Now. It matched my

2958
02:19:12,760 --> 02:19:16,079
mindset when I was like a young pipsqueak discovering sex

2959
02:19:16,120 --> 02:19:17,440
FHLM for the first time, and I was like, oh

2960
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:19,600
my god, this is a mind blower. And then I

2961
02:19:19,719 --> 02:19:22,719
watched it as someone who's very weathered at this point,

2962
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:26,280
the weather different year, like you know, put out wet

2963
02:19:26,360 --> 02:19:27,399
to dry, and I'm.

2964
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:27,479
Speaker 2: Like, no.

2965
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:30,520
Speaker 4: There's a lot of films from the nineties, especially when

2966
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:33,200
I was in my teens and twenties that I really

2967
02:19:33,319 --> 02:19:35,799
really loved that I go back and I just can't

2968
02:19:35,959 --> 02:19:38,280
some I can't even watch because kind of emotionally they

2969
02:19:38,319 --> 02:19:40,879
make me feel. And then some of the directors, I've

2970
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:43,719
just lost so much faith then that it's kind of

2971
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:45,879
affected the way that I feel about the early work.

2972
02:19:46,079 --> 02:19:48,559
So it's weird. Like I was thinking the other day

2973
02:19:48,639 --> 02:19:50,680
that a lot of the people that I really liked

2974
02:19:50,719 --> 02:19:53,600
in the nineties, like I'm talking about American mainstream directors,

2975
02:19:53,719 --> 02:19:57,200
you know, like Sophie, Kevin Smith or Guaranteed Knows, I've

2976
02:19:57,239 --> 02:19:59,799
kind of had to just compartmentalize them in that period,

2977
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:02,559
which is unfair. You know, I know they exist outside

2978
02:20:02,600 --> 02:20:05,280
of it, but I just I don't like what they've

2979
02:20:05,319 --> 02:20:08,319
done since, and I don't like their inability to speak

2980
02:20:08,360 --> 02:20:11,000
out about what's going on and to yes and some

2981
02:20:11,159 --> 02:20:12,920
of them, I just I was thinking the other day,

2982
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:16,280
like about Tarantino, especially, like he's just somebody who has

2983
02:20:16,360 --> 02:20:18,879
refused to mature at all, Like there's just not been

2984
02:20:18,920 --> 02:20:23,399
any type of growth or it's just strange. And that's

2985
02:20:23,479 --> 02:20:25,280
true for a lot of those nineties filmmakers. They just

2986
02:20:25,280 --> 02:20:28,520
seem kind of stuck in that kind of I don't know,

2987
02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:30,479
I just feel like they're making the same films they

2988
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:32,399
were then and they've not grown at all, and it's

2989
02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:34,000
it's just really sad to see.

2990
02:20:34,079 --> 02:20:34,799
Speaker 2: I know, I see.

2991
02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:37,600
Speaker 4: I remember like when you put out Jackie Brown, I thought,

2992
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:39,280
this is a guy that's going to kind of mature

2993
02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:44,559
and grow and make his films. It's easily his best film.

2994
02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:47,079
But then he just then he just stopped. It was

2995
02:20:47,159 --> 02:20:49,479
like he just stopped maturing and just stopped progressing and

2996
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:51,840
just kind of flatlined. For me at least, I know

2997
02:20:51,879 --> 02:20:53,799
a lot of people disagree, but that's fine.

2998
02:20:54,719 --> 02:20:57,280
Speaker 3: Well. I my hot take about Tarantino is that I

2999
02:20:57,399 --> 02:21:02,040
think I think Sally Minky as editor it's a secret weapon, yeah, everything,

3000
02:21:02,319 --> 02:21:05,440
and she died after in Glorious Bastards, that was the

3001
02:21:05,559 --> 02:21:10,319
last movie of his I was able to finish everything

3002
02:21:10,399 --> 02:21:13,520
after I started watching Django. I didn't get that far,

3003
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:15,879
didn't watch Hollywood, and I'm just like, you know what,

3004
02:21:16,280 --> 02:21:19,200
it's Sally Manky, Sally Mankey, God rest her soul. I

3005
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:22,040
think she was the reason why her his movies had

3006
02:21:22,079 --> 02:21:22,600
that flow.

3007
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:25,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was so what I think. Yeah,

3008
02:21:26,600 --> 02:21:29,520
that's that's exactly what I think too. And I don't

3009
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:31,239
want to take away from his writing and everything, but

3010
02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:34,840
as far as his editing, like his films after her,

3011
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,559
I can't watch him either, like I've seen him, but

3012
02:21:38,120 --> 02:21:42,520
I especially Jiango, I just hated that film. I just

3013
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:45,600
thought that was and it's the like she was the

3014
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:49,399
secret weapon. But yeah, I just it's it's so frustrating

3015
02:21:49,399 --> 02:21:51,680
that these filmmakers have not progressed, They've not been able

3016
02:21:51,719 --> 02:21:55,000
to make any kind of real films about human relationships,

3017
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:58,159
and their kind of fear of sex is weird to me.

3018
02:21:58,440 --> 02:22:01,280
And yeah, it's so I just feel differently about a

3019
02:22:01,319 --> 02:22:04,840
lot of those films from my youth. Unfortunately, it's very

3020
02:22:04,879 --> 02:22:07,360
emotionally hard because I was really connected to a lot

3021
02:22:07,399 --> 02:22:10,520
of them. Yeah, yeah, I get but but I but

3022
02:22:10,639 --> 02:22:14,040
I'm finding joy in discovering new movies and new filmmakers

3023
02:22:14,079 --> 02:22:16,680
and filmmakers that spoke out like I really.

3024
02:22:17,319 --> 02:22:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at your website all the time and

3025
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:23,600
like there's Jeremy is going everywhere on his man, I'm

3026
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:24,600
trying to go all the way the world.

3027
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:27,360
Speaker 3: But you always have. I mean, but I feel like

3028
02:22:27,399 --> 02:22:29,600
you always have. You've always done a little bit of everything,

3029
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:31,760
and you've really covered a lot of different territories and

3030
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:34,360
that's why, you know, and I think, but I also

3031
02:22:34,440 --> 02:22:36,719
think that's really important for someone who is writing about

3032
02:22:36,719 --> 02:22:38,760
film and watching film. I think if you're stuck in

3033
02:22:38,840 --> 02:22:43,040
one genre, how limiting. I think there I would hope

3034
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:45,440
there's something that would appeal to you in just about everything.

3035
02:22:45,879 --> 02:22:46,040
Speaker 2: You know.

3036
02:22:46,239 --> 02:22:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've gotten pushed back and I'm sure and

3037
02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:50,719
I know you have casey about the adult films that

3038
02:22:50,760 --> 02:22:54,000
I've written and research about, and it's like that's part

3039
02:22:54,040 --> 02:22:57,600
of film history, Like why would you ignore part of

3040
02:22:57,959 --> 02:23:00,079
you know, if you're considering yourself film a story in

3041
02:23:00,159 --> 02:23:03,719
which I do, why would I ignore like an essential

3042
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:05,959
part of film mystery and not and not even mentioning that,

3043
02:23:06,239 --> 02:23:07,879
just putting inside the fact that I love it and

3044
02:23:07,959 --> 02:23:10,879
I are those people and really fascinated with that period.

3045
02:23:10,959 --> 02:23:13,000
But it's like that's part of it. It's like I'm

3046
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:16,239
not going to ignore even like something like warf I

3047
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:19,600
hate war films, Like I'm just the war film genre.

3048
02:23:19,879 --> 02:23:20,399
Speaker 2: Is not for me.

3049
02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:23,879
Speaker 3: But I mean it's mostly propaganda, but there's good exactly, yeah, yeah,

3050
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:26,319
but I still watch, Like if I hear about something

3051
02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:29,000
that's great and that I will watch it because it's

3052
02:23:29,079 --> 02:23:29,680
part of film.

3053
02:23:29,559 --> 02:23:31,520
Speaker 4: Mystery, and I don't want to like turn away from it.

3054
02:23:31,559 --> 02:23:34,280
I think that's crazy. But there's just such a moral

3055
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:37,319
a moral panic about so many well it just all

3056
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:39,200
comes back to sex to me, Like, there's just such a.

3057
02:23:40,520 --> 02:23:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Emerald, you should be watching caged virgins.

3058
02:23:45,719 --> 02:23:46,600
Speaker 4: Watching cage versions.

3059
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:50,840
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I think we could use a sex a

3060
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:56,000
sex positive vampire movie. When's the last one we hadn't forever,

3061
02:23:56,399 --> 02:23:57,079
It's been a while.

3062
02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:00,760
Speaker 4: In decades, there's been a lot of movie the sex

3063
02:24:00,840 --> 02:24:03,600
has been kind of it's been really i mean just modern.

3064
02:24:03,879 --> 02:24:06,200
Speaker 3: Because it's it's been a major part of the vampire

3065
02:24:06,360 --> 02:24:07,920
legend since the beginning.

3066
02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:10,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it goes.

3067
02:24:10,760 --> 02:24:14,639
Speaker 3: Hand in hand Brand Stoker and lots of sex and Dracula.

3068
02:24:14,840 --> 02:24:18,280
It was very there. But it's interesting you mentioned the

3069
02:24:18,799 --> 02:24:22,559
idea of people kind of pushing back on maybe not

3070
02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:25,600
taking you seriously because you also discuss or focus on

3071
02:24:25,639 --> 02:24:28,920
adult films. I have the I have both that and

3072
02:24:29,239 --> 02:24:31,959
people who are kind of like, well, you watch porn,

3073
02:24:32,079 --> 02:24:33,840
so you can't really know anything about any of the

3074
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:36,879
film genre. And then when I'm like, well, actually, pre

3075
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:40,639
code films, I know a lot about seventies. You know,

3076
02:24:40,879 --> 02:24:44,760
the seventies New Waves, and it's like, yeah, I didn't

3077
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:47,440
start with an old movie that I started with other films,

3078
02:24:48,360 --> 02:24:49,879
you know, and they're kind of like, oh, okay, you're

3079
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:52,200
into this stuff. I love pre code stuff, and I

3080
02:24:52,239 --> 02:24:53,959
didn't know I didn't know Gentry was a pre code

3081
02:24:53,959 --> 02:24:55,760
guy until recently. It was like, Gentry, we could be

3082
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:57,319
doing a pre code side project.

3083
02:24:57,639 --> 02:25:00,520
Speaker 4: I love, I love something across that fun lutter. But

3084
02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:03,200
when I because I love pre code, I have a

3085
02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:05,239
pretty good knowledge of that. But but you guys are

3086
02:25:06,159 --> 02:25:09,639
way up there, and yeah, I'm always discovering new titles.

3087
02:25:09,719 --> 02:25:12,639
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the connection I always make is

3088
02:25:13,239 --> 02:25:17,520
I'm mostly interested in depictions of sex and cinema pre Code.

3089
02:25:17,920 --> 02:25:21,520
There's lots of depictions of sex, just like sexploitation that

3090
02:25:21,559 --> 02:25:23,799
we cover in this podcast. There's a pretty clear through

3091
02:25:23,879 --> 02:25:25,280
line I think you could make there.

3092
02:25:25,879 --> 02:25:28,120
Speaker 4: People just need to be adults, Like I don't understand

3093
02:25:28,200 --> 02:25:30,479
people who refused to be adults, and I just don't

3094
02:25:30,479 --> 02:25:32,799
get I mean, sex is like an essential part of

3095
02:25:33,159 --> 02:25:36,200
human life. I don't understand any idea that you would

3096
02:25:36,239 --> 02:25:39,360
have an art form that doesn't approach it or represent

3097
02:25:39,399 --> 02:25:41,520
It's just crazy to me, Like I don't, I don't it.

3098
02:25:42,360 --> 02:25:44,239
Speaker 3: Well, Gentry made a good point. We did another we

3099
02:25:44,360 --> 02:25:46,559
did an appearance on The Disconnected, and I was kind

3100
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:49,559
of like, we have our favorite actresses that we rave about,

3101
02:25:49,799 --> 02:25:52,239
and you know, it kind of runs into this idea

3102
02:25:52,239 --> 02:25:53,719
of like, God, I don't hope people don't think that

3103
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:57,200
I'm like, you know that I'm amplifying these women and

3104
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:00,399
everything you see with them they're nude, and Gentry was like, well,

3105
02:26:00,959 --> 02:26:04,760
most women who are movie stars are famous because they're beautiful,

3106
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:07,360
and so it really is kind of like that's kind

3107
02:26:07,399 --> 02:26:10,040
of a mart and parcel with with adoration of women

3108
02:26:10,120 --> 02:26:12,440
in cinema. There is there's a certain beauty that comes

3109
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:15,159
with that. So it's not it's not misogyny, and it's

3110
02:26:15,239 --> 02:26:18,760
not uh you know, it's not male Daisy. It's just

3111
02:26:18,879 --> 02:26:22,079
kind of like, no, this is these women eximiting strength

3112
02:26:22,159 --> 02:26:24,719
in a different way in this medium, and the strength

3113
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:27,280
is the way that their their beauty is amplified, their

3114
02:26:27,319 --> 02:26:28,479
sexuality is amplified.

3115
02:26:28,879 --> 02:26:32,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, Well I recently read the book about

3116
02:26:32,799 --> 02:26:36,719
Candy or Royal, and I just, I mean, I was

3117
02:26:36,799 --> 02:26:39,079
just like, what a life man, what a strong like

3118
02:26:39,399 --> 02:26:42,040
independent woman, and just you know, and just I mean

3119
02:26:42,079 --> 02:26:44,399
all those people that those figures are just yeah, I

3120
02:26:44,440 --> 02:26:47,520
mean they're monumental to me, like I just yeah, and

3121
02:26:47,639 --> 02:26:49,879
I yeah, the idea And back to what you're saying

3122
02:26:49,879 --> 02:26:52,440
about attractiveness, Yeah, I think the history of film is

3123
02:26:52,879 --> 02:26:55,639
filled with, if not attractive people, at least interesting looking

3124
02:26:55,719 --> 02:26:59,760
people like that's who you want on camera. Like so yeah,

3125
02:26:59,799 --> 02:27:02,239
I get what you're saying too. People do kind of judge,

3126
02:27:02,319 --> 02:27:04,799
and yeah, it's not And I'm sure people with like

3127
02:27:04,879 --> 02:27:07,000
my book and my kind of like obsession with Sylvia

3128
02:27:07,079 --> 02:27:09,239
Cristal and the writing and how many years it took.

3129
02:27:09,319 --> 02:27:11,440
I mean, I'm sure there were that those thoughts too,

3130
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:13,840
But it's like, yes, she's she was a beautiful woman,

3131
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:16,600
but that's not why I'm writing this book, because cinema

3132
02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:20,040
are filled with beautiful people. Like I don't, I don't

3133
02:27:20,079 --> 02:27:21,399
know what to say about it. It's just that's the

3134
02:27:21,440 --> 02:27:21,719
way it.

3135
02:27:21,799 --> 02:27:24,879
Speaker 3: Is, right. Well, yeah, Like my focus on most of

3136
02:27:24,879 --> 02:27:28,479
the women that I'm interested in are women who typically

3137
02:27:28,520 --> 02:27:31,280
who also could act like so that they and they're

3138
02:27:31,319 --> 02:27:34,000
able to develop that persona across a number of films,

3139
02:27:34,079 --> 02:27:38,120
regardless of whether they're nude or whether they're playing strippers

3140
02:27:38,239 --> 02:27:40,879
or whatever, like there's something about that persona that they developed,

3141
02:27:40,879 --> 02:27:43,280
and then when you learn about their lives outside of film,

3142
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:45,399
that's when it becomes even more interesting. So it really

3143
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:47,440
is just about it's more storry about women than it

3144
02:27:47,559 --> 02:27:50,680
is about like you know, actresses or movie stars or whatever.

3145
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:53,959
It's about women in sex and which was interesting. Yeah,

3146
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:55,920
it's by the way, Candid write out one of the

3147
02:27:55,959 --> 02:27:58,079
most intimidating women I've ever known in my life.

3148
02:27:58,200 --> 02:28:04,040
Speaker 2: But I loved her to death, So I can't seated

3149
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:05,559
by anybody.

3150
02:28:05,559 --> 02:28:10,879
Speaker 3: Because she even when you met her, she was one

3151
02:28:11,159 --> 02:28:15,319
she because she was so it was her strength. It

3152
02:28:15,399 --> 02:28:17,879
was the fact that she had this. She had more

3153
02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:20,079
strength than anyone that I think I've ever met, regardless

3154
02:28:20,120 --> 02:28:23,520
of gender. She was so confident in herself. She said

3155
02:28:23,559 --> 02:28:26,959
exactly what she meant, and you were I whenever you

3156
02:28:27,079 --> 02:28:29,040
were in her presence, you were constantly trying to make

3157
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:32,760
sure that she was uh impressed by you and that

3158
02:28:32,879 --> 02:28:35,239
she liked you Like she was one of the only

3159
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:37,520
people that I ever cared about really liking me because

3160
02:28:37,559 --> 02:28:40,040
I because I knew that she would not suffer fools,

3161
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:41,879
and so I was kind of like, God, I really

3162
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:45,239
hope Candace likes me, Like I was trying really hard

3163
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:47,440
to make her like me, and we got we got

3164
02:28:47,479 --> 02:28:49,479
along well, and I hoped to reconnect her with Leslie

3165
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:53,559
Bove and you know a few other people. And yeah,

3166
02:28:53,639 --> 02:28:58,200
and svery scary in a good way, Like she was

3167
02:28:58,239 --> 02:29:00,559
a good kind of scary. She kept on your but

3168
02:29:00,639 --> 02:29:02,159
it made you a better person because of it.

3169
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, She's one of those figures like her and Veronica Heart.

3170
02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:09,719
I just feel like every film ban yeah yeah, I

3171
02:29:09,799 --> 02:29:13,280
mean yeah, I yeah, yeah, yeah, Indida for her, Like

3172
02:29:13,440 --> 02:29:16,120
I mean, everybody should know about film productions in that period,

3173
02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:18,639
and like it's just such an important part of film

3174
02:29:18,680 --> 02:29:21,559
and it's just never gets talked about. And then Veronica

3175
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:25,120
like what an what an amazing actress, Like when I

3176
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:27,520
was watching Rewatching Roommates, I just all three of them

3177
02:29:27,559 --> 02:29:30,520
are incredible, but Veronica Heart is just such an incredible actress,

3178
02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:33,079
Like I just and then her filmmaking career, like this

3179
02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:35,879
is something film history and should be celebrating and know

3180
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:38,520
it knowing about. And yeah, I just the idea that

3181
02:29:38,600 --> 02:29:40,760
there's just so many young people who just completely turn

3182
02:29:40,799 --> 02:29:44,000
away if there's even a hint of nudity or sexual content.

3183
02:29:44,079 --> 02:29:47,319
It's just so frustrating. I remember when Poor Things came out,

3184
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:50,040
just like I would see so many comments from younger

3185
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:54,760
people complaining about all the time. Yeah, and it's just

3186
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:57,799
like Jesus Christ, just these are adults making whole decisions.

3187
02:29:57,840 --> 02:30:00,760
Just yeah, and she's made how many more movies with

3188
02:30:00,840 --> 02:30:03,639
that director? That's like they are they have a key

3189
02:30:03,799 --> 02:30:07,719
collaborating pair now, Like she they have a great she

3190
02:30:08,399 --> 02:30:09,399
made the discising on.

3191
02:30:09,479 --> 02:30:12,000
Speaker 3: Her own to do the nudity and work together through

3192
02:30:12,079 --> 02:30:15,879
shooting those scenes. Like they're adults and this is an adult.

3193
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:19,319
Speaker 4: Remember when I see something like that, I get so excited.

3194
02:30:19,360 --> 02:30:21,280
I'm just like, oh my god, I'm actually seeing a

3195
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:24,120
new film with that's approaching something like this, you know,

3196
02:30:24,239 --> 02:30:26,840
and it's yea. And to see a young or you know,

3197
02:30:27,159 --> 02:30:29,840
a modern actress you know, willing to still do you know,

3198
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:32,120
I'm just like this is great. This should be celebrated.

3199
02:30:33,319 --> 02:30:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have this conversation. We've had this conversation before

3200
02:30:36,319 --> 02:30:38,840
where like you're talking about Poor Things and remind me

3201
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:40,959
like when that came out, people would you know, young

3202
02:30:41,000 --> 02:30:43,159
people be like this is just porn. I'm like, we

3203
02:30:43,319 --> 02:30:46,680
need to calm down with this py word. Okay, not

3204
02:30:46,959 --> 02:30:49,120
everything involving nudity is porn.

3205
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:55,079
Speaker 3: No, not even it's not even titillation. It's regardless about

3206
02:30:55,239 --> 02:30:58,799
porn or not. Yeah, nuity serves different purposes.

3207
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:02,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's it's a weird moral panic happening with certainty.

3208
02:31:02,840 --> 02:31:05,719
I mean, it's just strange this podcast.

3209
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:08,799
Speaker 2: There's probably podcasts out there that probably wouldn't even say

3210
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:10,879
the word porn because they don't want to get like

3211
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:15,120
demonetized or have their listeners yell at them or something.

3212
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:20,319
Speaker 3: But okay laugh yeah adults here. Yeah, yeah, first of all,

3213
02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:24,000
demonetize what a laugh. Second of all, I would care

3214
02:31:24,079 --> 02:31:26,399
what anybody thinks I say on this podcast because I

3215
02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:29,680
have more hot takes in every episode than real takes.

3216
02:31:30,040 --> 02:31:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we've said the word rape about one

3217
02:31:32,079 --> 02:31:33,239
hundred times as well, so.

3218
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:36,280
Speaker 4: You know, we have to get I'm watching somebody that

3219
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:37,920
mentions that it's like I don't want to get demind.

3220
02:31:37,959 --> 02:31:39,639
It's like, dude, you've got like six hunder the fall,

3221
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:40,600
you're not You're not me.

3222
02:31:41,159 --> 02:31:43,760
Speaker 3: And also, way to choose capitalism of a free speech.

3223
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:47,799
Great move, exactly, great move to pick your money over

3224
02:31:48,280 --> 02:31:49,559
being able to say what you want.

3225
02:31:49,799 --> 02:31:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great, embracing our free speech right now, because

3226
02:31:52,360 --> 02:31:53,079
it is it's.

3227
02:31:53,840 --> 02:31:55,959
Speaker 3: Like, well I have to say grape guys, I have

3228
02:31:56,079 --> 02:31:57,840
to say pew p you and like, no, you don't.

3229
02:31:58,159 --> 02:31:59,360
You don't need to sensor yourself.

3230
02:31:59,639 --> 02:32:02,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like making children as children with people.

3231
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:02,879
It's crazy.

3232
02:32:03,079 --> 02:32:07,000
Speaker 3: It's very yeah, very infantaalizing. I don't like that totally.

3233
02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:09,719
Speaker 4: It's so weird. Yeah, but yeah, like the firestorm that

3234
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,200
Emma Stone got after Four Things was unreal to me. Yeah,

3235
02:32:12,239 --> 02:32:15,200
I'm just like, this is a really admirable woman who

3236
02:32:15,319 --> 02:32:18,959
making personal professional decisions about her life. And she's I mean,

3237
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:21,200
what she's won two or three. I mean, it's just

3238
02:32:21,479 --> 02:32:22,600
it's she's.

3239
02:32:22,559 --> 02:32:25,799
Speaker 3: Won two Oscars now she's which is crazy because she's

3240
02:32:25,879 --> 02:32:29,239
massed for somebody. If she gets a third then it's

3241
02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:31,479
going to be crazy. Yeah, she's massed with Katherine Hepburn.

3242
02:32:31,799 --> 02:32:35,399
That's right wild. I mean, she's great. And the funny

3243
02:32:35,399 --> 02:32:37,399
thing is that she does so many different care so

3244
02:32:37,440 --> 02:32:39,559
many different kinds of roles, and that's kind of what

3245
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:42,440
you want from an actress. You don't want an archetype

3246
02:32:42,719 --> 02:32:45,079
these days, you want that kind of diversity.

3247
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. I get excited when I find modern performers that

3248
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:50,760
are still willing to take chances because they're just yes,

3249
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:54,120
they're yeah, yeah, agreed.

3250
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:57,639
Speaker 1: How often the promise of heaven has guided a man

3251
02:32:57,840 --> 02:32:59,200
down the path to hell?

3252
02:33:11,879 --> 02:33:14,280
Speaker 2: What can we find? How can we wrap this up?

3253
02:33:14,639 --> 02:33:16,479
What do you think? How can we wrap up this?

3254
02:33:16,639 --> 02:33:17,280
Cage Virgin?

3255
02:33:17,319 --> 02:33:19,040
Speaker 4: Everybody should watch Caged Virgins.

3256
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:23,399
Speaker 3: Everybody just go back to nineteen seventy one and experience

3257
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:27,920
why honestly, well, here's my question, and this might be

3258
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:30,479
gone to for another half an hour, would as someone

3259
02:33:30,559 --> 02:33:32,879
who's never watched over, if someone has never watched over

3260
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:35,280
a long film, would you recommend this as a good

3261
02:33:35,319 --> 02:33:37,200
starting point or so they start with something else and

3262
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:37,719
come back.

3263
02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:39,000
Speaker 2: What do you think?

3264
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:41,600
Speaker 4: I've actually thought about that. I think it's a good

3265
02:33:41,639 --> 02:33:44,159
starting point, But I know a lot of people maybe

3266
02:33:44,239 --> 02:33:46,319
something like The Gropes of Death would be more ideal,

3267
02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:49,239
just because The Grapes of Death is just it's just

3268
02:33:49,399 --> 02:33:52,680
more of a It has Roland's elements, but it is

3269
02:33:52,760 --> 02:33:57,639
more of a commercial kind of film before you dive

3270
02:33:57,680 --> 02:33:59,479
into like the subtext of it and how you know

3271
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:01,959
of a stating it really is when you start thinking

3272
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:04,399
about it. But I think, yeah, the Gripson, But I

3273
02:34:04,440 --> 02:34:06,319
actually think Ruck William is a pretty good starting point,

3274
02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:09,000
like and because if you can't, if you can't get

3275
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:10,639
through the first twenty minutes of it, then you're just

3276
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:13,600
Roland's probably not going to be free to like It's

3277
02:34:13,639 --> 02:34:14,079
it's kind.

3278
02:34:13,959 --> 02:34:16,479
Speaker 3: Of a true actually, yeah, you know that's true.

3279
02:34:16,959 --> 02:34:19,879
Speaker 4: I definitely wouldn't recommend like The Iron Rose or Night

3280
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:21,360
of the Hunted. I think those are so.

3281
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:25,399
Speaker 3: Those are very theo's are too special, I think, yeah.

3282
02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:28,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the people, Yeah, yeah, they're just so

3283
02:34:29,559 --> 02:34:33,159
kind of abstract and and and like I wouldn't recommend

3284
02:34:33,239 --> 02:34:35,639
like The Rape of the Vampire, Like that's that's such

3285
02:34:35,639 --> 02:34:36,200
a hard film.

3286
02:34:36,239 --> 02:34:39,079
Speaker 3: That's a difficult that's hard for me to get through.

3287
02:34:39,120 --> 02:34:43,040
And I'm yeah, I don't in that one. Really, yeah,

3288
02:34:43,079 --> 02:34:43,760
I don't even.

3289
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:46,360
Speaker 4: I've I've managed to see it a few times, but

3290
02:34:46,440 --> 02:34:48,719
it is a very difficult film. I love the history

3291
02:34:48,799 --> 02:34:49,959
behind it, but uh.

3292
02:34:50,159 --> 02:34:50,959
Speaker 3: It's a hard watch.

3293
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:54,680
Speaker 4: But really, like, yeah, I've thought about it, Like I

3294
02:34:54,879 --> 02:34:57,159
think for Rolan, like any of those classic films from

3295
02:34:57,159 --> 02:34:59,879
the seventies, like the early seventies or I mean, if

3296
02:34:59,920 --> 02:35:01,600
you if you can't get into those, then you're just

3297
02:35:01,719 --> 02:35:04,000
not gonna You're not gonna watch onto it. I don't think,

3298
02:35:04,520 --> 02:35:06,040
what do you think, gentry you gotta.

3299
02:35:05,879 --> 02:35:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. I still think Lips of Blood might

3300
02:35:08,719 --> 02:35:11,879
be a good starting place, but it's a good starting

3301
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:13,520
place obviously biased.

3302
02:35:15,079 --> 02:35:19,120
Speaker 3: I'm just well, listen, I'm a brigitte guy through and through.

3303
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:22,520
But even yeah, you're right because there's a brig even

3304
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:24,840
though I'm a brigitte person. I don't know if I

3305
02:35:24,879 --> 02:35:27,840
would say, like fascinations should be a good r stations

3306
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:29,200
are good and you want for a lot of people

3307
02:35:29,639 --> 02:35:31,040
these days, and I think I.

3308
02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:33,040
Speaker 2: Think that has been an intro for a lot of people.

3309
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of my favorite people who reviews on on

3310
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:39,520
TikTok and letterbox just gave it a review and he

3311
02:35:39,639 --> 02:35:40,920
was like, this is one I think he said it

3312
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:42,680
was like his first or second rollan. He gave it

3313
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:45,120
five stars. I was like, you were in for a journey,

3314
02:35:45,399 --> 02:35:48,879
like you. But the funny thing is he posts video

3315
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:52,000
reviews with clips and the movie behind him, and I

3316
02:35:52,200 --> 02:35:55,280
was like, obviously you couldn't pick the best scene in

3317
02:35:55,319 --> 02:36:00,239
the movie behind on social media because you can't show Yeah,

3318
02:36:00,239 --> 02:36:02,360
it was basically the scene where it's the two girls

3319
02:36:02,440 --> 02:36:04,840
talking to the guy in the room and I'm just like, Okay,

3320
02:36:04,840 --> 02:36:06,319
well this is going to tice anyone to want to

3321
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:10,879
see it, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah, yeah,

3322
02:36:11,479 --> 02:36:13,280
it lives a blood is a good one gentry, I think.

3323
02:36:13,360 --> 02:36:16,079
But you wouldn't suggest this, Like if someone listening to

3324
02:36:16,159 --> 02:36:18,559
this episode has never seen Roland, you wouldn't be like,

3325
02:36:18,680 --> 02:36:20,079
start with this, or would you say.

3326
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:22,159
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I would want to know who you know?

3327
02:36:22,200 --> 02:36:24,159
I would want to if it's someone I know, I

3328
02:36:24,200 --> 02:36:28,639
would tailor my suggestion towards, you know, their personality. Like

3329
02:36:29,319 --> 02:36:32,079
the Shiver of the Vampires is great. I love it,

3330
02:36:32,159 --> 02:36:36,319
but it's very seventies hippie raw.

3331
02:36:37,040 --> 02:36:39,760
Speaker 3: All those long you know, speeches by the by the

3332
02:36:39,879 --> 02:36:42,520
Philosopher vampires. Yeah, I can't stand those.

3333
02:36:43,440 --> 02:36:45,000
Speaker 2: I like it, and I think it would It does

3334
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:48,840
appeal to certain people, so you know, I might Julien's great.

3335
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I like with Roland. I mean any title

3336
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:53,719
that you suggests with him. It's going to be a

3337
02:36:53,799 --> 02:36:56,440
test for a person like they really like. It's not

3338
02:36:56,559 --> 02:36:58,760
going to be like any other film or any other director.

3339
02:36:58,840 --> 02:37:01,000
So they're gonna have to be comfortable with nudity. They're

3340
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:03,040
gonna have to be comfortable with these long passages of

3341
02:37:03,559 --> 02:37:06,559
kind of nothing happening, even even in Grapes of Death,

3342
02:37:06,719 --> 02:37:08,559
you know, I mean, they're gonna have to be comfortable

3343
02:37:08,600 --> 02:37:10,879
with these things, and they're gonna have to kind of

3344
02:37:10,879 --> 02:37:13,799
adjust their mindset if they're used to modern film. This

3345
02:37:13,879 --> 02:37:15,079
is gonna be a whole different experience.

3346
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:18,360
Speaker 2: But even yeah, even you know, the Living Dead Girl

3347
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:21,840
has a certain fandom as well, amongst like people that

3348
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:23,120
love Gore films.

3349
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:25,680
Speaker 4: People love that. People love The Living Dead Girl. That's

3350
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:29,000
one that I love the performances in it, and I love, Yeah,

3351
02:37:29,440 --> 02:37:31,719
I love the scenes with the two of them. I'm

3352
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:34,040
taken out of the movie with the the kind of

3353
02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:37,600
I don't know if it's American tourists or yeah, yeah, yeah,

3354
02:37:38,040 --> 02:37:39,280
and there.

3355
02:37:39,440 --> 02:37:40,959
Speaker 3: Literally is no reason for them to be there because

3356
02:37:40,959 --> 02:37:44,319
they end up anyway, and we were nothing from that journey. Yeah,

3357
02:37:44,959 --> 02:37:46,440
I wanted more of the girls.

3358
02:37:46,639 --> 02:37:49,879
Speaker 4: But otherwise, people love I mean, I've people love that film,

3359
02:37:49,959 --> 02:37:51,239
so maybe that's yeah.

3360
02:37:51,479 --> 02:37:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've even seen a lot of queer people that

3361
02:37:54,959 --> 02:37:58,360
love the Escapees for that relationship between the two girls.

3362
02:37:58,399 --> 02:37:59,319
Speaker 3: Still need to see that.

3363
02:38:00,680 --> 02:38:02,959
Speaker 4: It's a little film. I hadn't I had just seen

3364
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:05,520
that one. I'd never seen that one before until I

3365
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:07,040
don't know if it's a blu ray or what it was,

3366
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,040
but yeah, it's a it's a neat little film. It's

3367
02:38:09,079 --> 02:38:11,399
not one of my favorites, but yeah it's a cool

3368
02:38:11,440 --> 02:38:12,040
little film. Man.

3369
02:38:12,120 --> 02:38:14,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's points I feel.

3370
02:38:14,559 --> 02:38:17,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, there really are just stay away from. I would

3371
02:38:17,319 --> 02:38:19,239
not recommend like Lost in New York.

3372
02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:25,079
Speaker 3: Or Vampires either, Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't really recommend

3373
02:38:25,120 --> 02:38:27,959
anything after like eighty one, No.

3374
02:38:28,079 --> 02:38:31,040
Speaker 4: Because there after that there becomes like an element of

3375
02:38:31,559 --> 02:38:34,280
you can really tell that he's fighting with his budgets

3376
02:38:34,280 --> 02:38:38,200
and he's he's like struggling with It didn't click like

3377
02:38:38,239 --> 02:38:40,159
it did before, like the seventies. I mean just the

3378
02:38:40,280 --> 02:38:43,879
cast and the crews and I mean they were just

3379
02:38:43,959 --> 02:38:47,440
the small group of people making these really unique and he's.

3380
02:38:47,360 --> 02:38:51,000
Speaker 2: Like referencing himself all the time in those eighties and

3381
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:53,000
nineties films, So it's like you kind of have to

3382
02:38:53,920 --> 02:38:54,719
work a little bit.

3383
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:58,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, he really does have a classic period that you know.

3384
02:38:58,559 --> 02:39:00,440
I mean, it's a great that's a great run from

3385
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:02,600
like seventy two to eighty two. That's a great thing.

3386
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:06,840
Speaker 3: Really is well. I mean I have said I keeps

3387
02:39:07,000 --> 02:39:08,799
I will always say it. I don't. I guess I

3388
02:39:08,799 --> 02:39:10,600
don't care if people get tired of it. I'm for

3389
02:39:10,760 --> 02:39:14,360
the women so like and when I watch these movies exploitation,

3390
02:39:14,440 --> 02:39:16,840
adult anything, I'm all about the women. I don't need

3391
02:39:16,879 --> 02:39:20,200
a lot of central women, so many good Roland women

3392
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:21,959
that I think. That's why the New Vampire, I'm like,

3393
02:39:21,959 --> 02:39:23,319
I don't give a shit about this guy at the

3394
02:39:23,399 --> 02:39:25,920
center of this. Like I like New Vampire, but it's

3395
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:28,000
not in Ship of the Vampires is about the couple.

3396
02:39:28,079 --> 02:39:31,120
I'm like, whatever, I think that's my fascination. I love

3397
02:39:31,239 --> 02:39:34,200
Night of the Hunted and Living Dead Girl. Like you mentioned,

3398
02:39:34,840 --> 02:39:37,440
it is about that central friendship. It's about those two

3399
02:39:37,559 --> 02:39:40,719
girls and how they're trying to deal with this little

3400
02:39:40,799 --> 02:39:44,360
hiccup of one of them being dead, and unfortunately it

3401
02:39:44,520 --> 02:39:47,760
ends very inevitably and tragically. And that's another one that

3402
02:39:47,799 --> 02:39:49,879
I get very emotional at the end of because I'm

3403
02:39:49,920 --> 02:39:53,239
just like and that's something so weird about about Rolana.

3404
02:39:53,319 --> 02:39:55,879
You would not think he would be like I don't know,

3405
02:39:56,040 --> 02:39:59,159
kurisawar and Ozu, where he's able to play with the

3406
02:39:59,239 --> 02:40:04,079
emotions that well and make in something so so slight

3407
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:08,399
on paper, where there's such emotion in it, and so like, yeah,

3408
02:40:08,440 --> 02:40:12,440
fascination is great, but like neither the hunted. That just

3409
02:40:12,639 --> 02:40:15,479
really hits hard for me. And that's one that I

3410
02:40:15,559 --> 02:40:18,399
have a playlist on YouTube called Crying because you know,

3411
02:40:18,760 --> 02:40:20,639
like any good virgo sometimes you just need to cry

3412
02:40:21,079 --> 02:40:24,799
because life. And so that ending sequence is something I

3413
02:40:24,879 --> 02:40:27,280
will just put on. I'm like, Okay, here come the

3414
02:40:27,319 --> 02:40:29,200
water works. Let's you know, I just see I just

3415
02:40:29,239 --> 02:40:32,360
need from these two doomed people just walking away.

3416
02:40:33,000 --> 02:40:37,239
Speaker 4: Emotional. Yeah, they're very emotional films. Like that's something that

3417
02:40:37,520 --> 02:40:40,399
the other kind of a moral tales directors or you know,

3418
02:40:40,479 --> 02:40:43,200
are gentle fool I mean, he's just a very emotional director.

3419
02:40:43,319 --> 02:40:47,319
There's like a very personal, kind of haunting quality about

3420
02:40:47,360 --> 02:40:52,559
his films. I mean they're sad. They're they're sad films. Yeah.

3421
02:40:52,600 --> 02:40:54,840
I mean, like when I was doing The Great and

3422
02:40:54,920 --> 02:40:57,319
you mentioned the act like on my comment series, I've

3423
02:40:57,319 --> 02:41:00,159
struggled like talking about the actors for the most part

3424
02:41:00,200 --> 02:41:03,000
that he worked with, just because I just find that

3425
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:04,680
they take a back seat. I mean with Rollan, it

3426
02:41:04,799 --> 02:41:06,639
is about the women in the films, and these just

3427
02:41:06,760 --> 02:41:10,079
these strong female presences, I mean, and so that's what

3428
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:12,600
I've I always foke. I mean, I just inevitably focus

3429
02:41:12,680 --> 02:41:15,040
on it. I just find them more interesting. I Mean,

3430
02:41:15,079 --> 02:41:17,920
there were certain actors like Willie brock Is an interesting.

3431
02:41:17,559 --> 02:41:20,520
Speaker 3: Guy worked with.

3432
02:41:20,920 --> 02:41:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great, but for the most part, he just

3433
02:41:23,479 --> 02:41:25,440
had a real connection with these actresses. And so I

3434
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:27,760
think I think for a lot of for anybody that's

3435
02:41:27,799 --> 02:41:30,120
new to Rolan, that's going to be a big introduct

3436
02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:32,040
Like whatever film you watch, you're going to be kind

3437
02:41:32,079 --> 02:41:34,959
of not only starting to form a relationship with Roland

3438
02:41:34,959 --> 02:41:36,760
as a filmaker, but you're gonna like form relationship with

3439
02:41:36,840 --> 02:41:39,120
this person that he's picked for this movie because they're

3440
02:41:39,159 --> 02:41:41,799
so perfect for whatever actress it was. They're just perfect

3441
02:41:41,879 --> 02:41:45,280
for those roles. I was really kind of like France

3442
02:41:45,319 --> 02:41:45,760
wats past.

3443
02:41:46,479 --> 02:41:51,399
Speaker 3: Oh God, that's another performance that's just like, yeah, I

3444
02:41:51,440 --> 02:41:53,799
think it's the I think it's the first really great

3445
02:41:53,879 --> 02:41:56,079
performance that he had in one of his films up

3446
02:41:56,120 --> 02:41:56,600
to that point.

3447
02:41:56,680 --> 02:41:59,280
Speaker 2: He didn't want her, that's the story to remember that.

3448
02:41:59,760 --> 02:42:03,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's just she's absolutely sensational.

3449
02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:05,879
Speaker 2: He wanted he wanted one of the twins again, he

3450
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:10,280
wanted his you know, Castel girl, but them, they could

3451
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:11,000
not have done that.

3452
02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:14,000
Speaker 3: Role. They could not have brought anything. She didn't.

3453
02:42:14,440 --> 02:42:16,840
Speaker 4: She's fantastic in that movie. That's a shame that it

3454
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:19,920
wasn't really seen it. I mean, she's just fantastic in it.

3455
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I was one of the last ones

3456
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:23,920
of his that I saw. It took me a long

3457
02:42:23,959 --> 02:42:25,319
time to see it. It finally came out on Blu

3458
02:42:25,440 --> 02:42:27,719
Ray and I was like, Wow, I can't believe that

3459
02:42:27,879 --> 02:42:30,079
I can still be blown away by Rollin. I thought

3460
02:42:30,079 --> 02:42:30,879
I'd seen everything.

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02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:33,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another one that you'll see Like screen I

3462
02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:36,120
used to see screen capped all the time, like just

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02:42:36,239 --> 02:42:38,559
images from the Iron rolls and people were just like,

3464
02:42:38,639 --> 02:42:41,600
holy cow, what is this gothic masterpiece movie I have

3465
02:42:41,719 --> 02:42:42,040
to watch?

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02:42:42,719 --> 02:42:44,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I guess maybe that's a good way, Like

3467
02:42:44,399 --> 02:42:46,680
if you want to if you're introducing a person, if

3468
02:42:46,719 --> 02:42:49,440
they're into horror films, you could recommend The Grapes of

3469
02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:52,920
Death if they're having into kind of more rotic films, fascination,

3470
02:42:53,239 --> 02:42:55,920
if they're into more living dead grum. I mean, he's

3471
02:42:55,959 --> 02:42:59,120
got kind of something for everybody. He really does just cool.

3472
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:02,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, like I watched The Iron Rose every Halloween.

3473
02:43:02,399 --> 02:43:03,840
That's like a Halloween movie for me.

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02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:07,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a good that's a good pick, Gentry. Actually,

3475
02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:09,920
maybe I should do that for Halloween this year. Cemetery

3476
02:43:10,040 --> 02:43:10,760
is a good one.

3477
02:43:11,440 --> 02:43:14,399
Speaker 4: Getty ghetto seventies porn. You can watch disco sex.

3478
02:43:14,520 --> 02:43:16,879
Speaker 3: Yes, tell me where you saw that, Jeremy.

3479
02:43:17,399 --> 02:43:19,719
Speaker 4: I've got some weird Tell me where in the DHS

3480
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:24,079
copy of that somewhere with no subtitle, and it's just man,

3481
02:43:24,159 --> 02:43:27,360
it's it's yeah, you.

3482
02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:30,319
Speaker 2: You and Sam Deagan apparently have seen this movie, and

3483
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:31,159
I must see it.

3484
02:43:31,360 --> 02:43:33,399
Speaker 4: I think actually I think I gave I think I

3485
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:35,799
copied sam my copy because when she was working on

3486
02:43:35,879 --> 02:43:40,520
that book Lost Girls, Uh, I'd sent her a couple

3487
02:43:40,600 --> 02:43:41,920
of his hardcore films.

3488
02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:44,719
Speaker 2: I really do love Kathy Stewart when I see her

3489
02:43:44,719 --> 02:43:45,479
pop up in porn.

3490
02:43:45,680 --> 02:43:49,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, I mean that's another one night that

3491
02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:51,719
performance is really yes.

3492
02:43:51,719 --> 02:43:54,840
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, I just I love the French adulter.

3493
02:43:55,399 --> 02:43:57,959
I mean those actresses are amazing, like I did.

3494
02:43:58,000 --> 02:43:59,200
Speaker 3: There's there's so many good ones.

3495
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:02,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I wish like the I love Marylyn Jess

3496
02:44:02,520 --> 02:44:04,680
like I mean, I wish he had I don't know.

3497
02:44:05,239 --> 02:44:07,079
She appears briefly a Night of the Hunted. I wish

3498
02:44:07,159 --> 02:44:09,879
that she would have maybe done more with him later. Yeah,

3499
02:44:10,760 --> 02:44:12,040
I mean from the book I read, they really got

3500
02:44:12,040 --> 02:44:16,799
along well, and I was like, yeah, I recently discovered

3501
02:44:16,840 --> 02:44:19,840
that his cinematographer, Jean Jacques Vernon shot I got a

3502
02:44:19,920 --> 02:44:22,040
copy of the adult film that he shot, and it

3503
02:44:22,079 --> 02:44:24,319
stars Marilyn Jess and it features a lot of the

3504
02:44:24,920 --> 02:44:26,879
crew and some of the cast from Groups of Death.

3505
02:44:26,959 --> 02:44:30,120
It was made like a year before, So it's interesting

3506
02:44:30,159 --> 02:44:31,920
how all this stuff connects. And I mean these people

3507
02:44:31,959 --> 02:44:35,200
were just working and just all these different genres. It's

3508
02:44:35,280 --> 02:44:38,760
really really just a unique time, especially converted today.

3509
02:44:38,920 --> 02:44:40,639
Speaker 2: So well, should we wrap it, boys?

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02:44:41,079 --> 02:44:42,520
Speaker 4: I think so. I hope this went well. I had

3511
02:44:42,520 --> 02:44:44,319
a lot of fun. I appreciate you guys inviting me.

3512
02:44:45,079 --> 02:44:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. We love complaining about AI with people.

3513
02:44:48,520 --> 02:44:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I hate anytime you want to complain about

3514
02:44:50,920 --> 02:44:53,719
it AI. Just just call me up. I'll be willing

3515
02:44:53,799 --> 02:44:56,000
to throw down for a few hours about it.

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