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Speaker 3: What is up everyone? Welcome to the Occult Rejects coming
Speaker 3: at you this week with part two of the Oregons
Speaker 3: and Consciousness that I had Leon and Teresa joined me
Speaker 3: in last week's episode. Uh so today we're going to
Speaker 3: be going over more of that. I think when we
Speaker 3: kind of left it off last week, I did mention
Speaker 3: that we're gonna get into the negative aspects of Oregon
Speaker 3: and how have you said? And uh and the cloud busting. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I had a brain forward for a second, so we
Speaker 3: got back Leon and Teresa. Like I said earlier, to
Speaker 3: talk about that when it comes to Oregon. Teresa, you're
Speaker 3: the co host. Would you like to let everybody know
Speaker 3: what's up with you? In cases the first time they
Speaker 3: ever came across you? And if this is the first
Speaker 3: time you ever listened to this show, I highly suggest
Speaker 3: to go back and listen to part one. That may
Speaker 3: help before you start listening to part two. But for
Speaker 3: people who don't know who you are yet, which you know,
Speaker 3: I find hard to believe, would you like to let
Speaker 3: everybody know who you are and what your deal is
Speaker 3: in that amazing podcast you have.
Speaker 4: Sure? Well, thank you for having me back on the
Speaker 4: Occult Rejects. I always love to co host this show
Speaker 4: with you. So yeah, I'm Teresa and I have another podcast,
Speaker 4: also usually co hosted with you called The Spiritual Gangsters.
Speaker 4: So it's a great time. Lots of interesting chats, interesting guests,
Speaker 4: personal stories like transformational experiences, things like that. So check
Speaker 4: it out if you have not on all the major
Speaker 4: podcast platforms, YouTube and Rumble.
Speaker 3: Yes, very true. Definitely keep an eye out on the Rumble.
Speaker 3: For that because we'll be going live more often on there,
Speaker 3: so if you were not following us on Rumble, I
Speaker 3: highly suggest to do that. So there you go. And
Speaker 3: I did want to mention you know you have an
Speaker 3: amazing producer for that show you have. The next time
Speaker 3: you talk to that person, let them know they do
Speaker 3: a great job.
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3: She has the best producer for Spiritual Gangster's great one.
Speaker 4: Just buy yourself on the back. Thanks for all your.
Speaker 3: Deals not to our guests to have to do silly stuff. Leon,
Speaker 3: would you like to let everybody know like who you are,
Speaker 3: what your deal is and plug anything that you want
Speaker 3: people to find that you've done.
Speaker 2: Sure? Hi, Yeah, thanks for having me back for part two.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm Leon Southgate. Have been an orgone energy
Speaker 2: researcher for about twenty years and I come from a
Speaker 2: family of psychopheric person that I got my interest in
Speaker 2: orgone and organomy and Wilhelm right for my father who
Speaker 2: had an interest in it, And yeah I did. I'm
Speaker 2: an acupuncturist by trade, but really like to be a
Speaker 2: full time researcher, so I do as much on the
Speaker 2: research as I can. And I did an academic study
Speaker 2: into acupuncture an or gone back in about two thousand,
Speaker 2: which was based partly in the UK and partly well,
Speaker 2: I did the experimental study in the US. And that's
Speaker 2: about me in a nutshell and my main I'm needing
Speaker 2: to get a new website up, but my blog is
Speaker 2: my main portal at the moment, which is Leonsouthgate dot
Speaker 2: blogspot dot com. So all my links are there at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah you have. I have about I think five links
Speaker 3: in there now for you. So, yeah, you have Leon's,
Speaker 3: I have your Twitter, I have your psych psych orgon site,
Speaker 3: Leon Southgate, his blog spot, his YouTube, and a web archive.
Speaker 3: I have all the links in the bottom now, so
Speaker 3: definitely check those out after the show if you found
Speaker 3: this interesting.
Speaker 2: Oh super yeah, cycle orgones the main place for for
Speaker 2: my main papers. It's it's probably the main at the
Speaker 2: main orgone journal to publish sort of biophysical stuff. So
Speaker 2: all my recent stuff is there, all right, very well,
Speaker 2: well the longer the longer articles, HM.
Speaker 3: Very good. So I guess, like you know, honestly, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna put it this way. If you don't know
Speaker 3: what the hell orgone is, go back to the first episode.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I really want to, you know,
Speaker 3: go over all that for the first time minutes to
Speaker 3: catch people up. But I know, you know, you were
Speaker 3: going to go into cloud busting or the negative aspects
Speaker 3: of orgone. Since this is your topic and I don't
Speaker 3: know anything really about it, I guess, however, you want
Speaker 3: to present that wherever you want to start. I know
Speaker 3: you say they both kind of go hand in hand,
Speaker 3: So I guess start the best way you can explain
Speaker 3: that to the listeners.
Speaker 2: Sure, well, I'll start with splitting orgone into free because
Speaker 2: orgone is a it's it's just another word for life
Speaker 2: force or chi or prano. And the difference I guess
Speaker 2: with Rich was he he documented how that life force
Speaker 2: can be seen scientifically in a lot of different areas
Speaker 2: like Tesla documented life force how it interacts with electricity,
Speaker 2: and mesmer and documented life force how it interacts with
Speaker 2: with the mind, and there's other people documented how it
Speaker 2: interacts with biology, but Reich was the only one who
Speaker 2: really documented how it interacts in in every field pretty much,
Speaker 2: and that that's one of the reasons I find him
Speaker 2: so compelling that the this this life force can be
Speaker 2: broken down into free free types. Most people think it.
Speaker 2: There's only two types, like positive orgone and negative orgone,
Speaker 2: which sometimes it gets the abbreviation door d O R
Speaker 2: for deadly orgone, and some occasionally people are called the
Speaker 2: positive side of it positive orgone, but generally just orgone.
Speaker 2: But the positive side of orgones splits into two. There's
Speaker 2: energized orgone, which is called urn or where after Reich's
Speaker 2: experiments with orgone and nuclear materials, because there's a secret
Speaker 2: about nuclear materials. They they but there's two reasons they
Speaker 2: suppress it. There's one of the reasons is that it
Speaker 2: has such a an energizing effect on life force, so
Speaker 2: that the that you can energize life force into a positive,
Speaker 2: very vibrant state. And so orgn or I use as
Speaker 2: a kind of catsual term for energized or going. So
Speaker 2: you so you've got all going in its sleepy state
Speaker 2: or just quiescent state in nature and just gently flowing.
Speaker 3: That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lovely word. And then you've got energized
Speaker 2: or going or or or, which is where free energy
Speaker 2: comes in and and where sort of because when all
Speaker 2: going gets very excited, it creates electrical particles charged particles
Speaker 2: and and then you.
Speaker 3: Would you say, real quick, I just ask, would you
Speaker 3: say humans do that themselves in general?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Could that be the consciousness that's doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, consciousness can can excite or going fields too,
Speaker 2: and that Yuri Geller used to be able to excite
Speaker 2: Geiger counters, and his his team thought that it was
Speaker 2: just Uri Gella's mind interacting with the mechanism of the device.
Speaker 2: But I think it's because Uri Gella could create ornor
Speaker 2: with his body or his mind. So the the I
Speaker 2: found it in some obscure book on pyramids from the
Speaker 2: seventies or eighties, but they they definitely noted an effect
Speaker 2: on Geiger counters that Uri Gella had.
Speaker 3: Do you think like EMF detectors could pick stuff up
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the I mean the whole kind of paranormal field.
Speaker 2: They're they're really missing a very useful research tool in
Speaker 2: the guige counter, because wherever you get paranormal phenomena, you
Speaker 2: get raised particles and it's actually from the urn or
Speaker 2: really rather than the electrical effects in paranormal stuff is
Speaker 2: more aside effect that the main energy behind paranormal phenomena,
Speaker 2: I believe it is oral.
Speaker 3: Do you think that has to deal with like sometimes
Speaker 3: when they show I'm sorry to be like going off
Speaker 3: on this now, but do you think that could be
Speaker 3: like when they show like, oh, the camera just died
Speaker 3: or this just died, do you think that could be
Speaker 3: what's doing it? Yeah, instead of like this ghost sucking
Speaker 3: the life out of that. So it could tell Zach
Speaker 3: to go fuck off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, because the the because the the ghost
Speaker 2: is maybe in a paranormal dimensional realm, and that has
Speaker 2: a lot of is directing life energy or life force,
Speaker 2: life force and and electrical energies that are kind of antagonistic.
Speaker 2: So an elect a life force field can take over
Speaker 2: an electrical field. Like I've got a friend who's kind
Speaker 2: of he's not skeptical, but he he's from a kind
Speaker 2: of traditional traditional background and he doesn't tend tend to
Speaker 2: believe in spiritual stuff. And he got a text from
Speaker 2: his mum who passed away, but like it is, his
Speaker 2: mum actually took over his phone, the whole, the whole,
Speaker 2: the whole, the whole screen and sent him a message. Uh,
Speaker 2: and the the well, it's a bit complicated to break
Speaker 2: it all down, but.
Speaker 5: Just fletuff right, you know, yeah, Well, basically, poor goinges
Speaker 5: is a pre atomic energy, like because you've got before particles,
Speaker 5: and electricity is a post atomic energy, so.
Speaker 2: The they kind of act antagonistic. You can get one
Speaker 2: from the other like you can use you can use
Speaker 2: post atomic energies to gently build up pre atomic energies,
Speaker 2: like in electro agriculture where you put electricity around plants
Speaker 2: and it can work the other way, where a pre
Speaker 2: atomic field can take over an electrical field, like like
Speaker 2: my friend with his message from with his text message
Speaker 2: from from the beyond. But yeah, but to go back
Speaker 2: to that triad, you've got the the the quiet natural,
Speaker 2: relaxed orgone, You've got ourn or the excited orgone, and
Speaker 2: then you've got the deadly orgone or door, which is
Speaker 2: either the excited orgone or the quiescent orgon that's dyed
Speaker 2: and become stuck and stagnant, so that there's different the
Speaker 2: normal organes usually blue or those types of colors, and
Speaker 2: then energized orgone can be purply red, very sort of
Speaker 2: any strong vibrant colors, and door or deadly organes usually
Speaker 2: brownie black, sort of stagnant type colors. And the asking
Speaker 2: how about cloudbusters is very connected to the door, so
Speaker 2: that it was because of Door that Right discovered cloud busting,
Speaker 2: so that the two are very interconnected. Actually there is
Speaker 2: connected to ron ore as well, but that's another story
Speaker 2: a bit later on. Yeah, so do you want to
Speaker 2: go to cloud busting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just have one question.
Speaker 4: So, how would you measure the color of the organ
Speaker 4: and like, how do you determine that?
Speaker 2: Mostly visually because when Right did the ron or experiment
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty one, roughly he he could see very
Speaker 2: strong colors coming out of the room. And sometimes when
Speaker 2: you when you see a very strong orgone environment, you
Speaker 2: can see like a blue haze over the mountains.
Speaker 3: You know, it's weird. I think Alistair Crowley supposedly claims
Speaker 3: when he did a ritual inside the Pyramids, the room
Speaker 3: blue blue glow blue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that that wouldn't surprise me at all, and
Speaker 2: that and that there's a kind of connection between Alistair
Speaker 2: Crowley and organomy. It's a bit of a that there
Speaker 2: there was a guy called Israel Regarde.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was his buddy though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's not it's not an area I
Speaker 2: know a lot about. But but plutonium two blows blue
Speaker 2: before it explodes.
Speaker 3: Is that was that? Wasn't wait, that wasn't using back
Speaker 3: to the future, was it? It might be, you know,
Speaker 3: wasn't that the stuff that he robs from the other
Speaker 3: guys that tried to kill him in the first one.
Speaker 2: It could well be there. I mean, they put all
Speaker 2: sorts of references.
Speaker 3: In because of the reason I'm bringing that up is
Speaker 3: because I have been like thinking about covering back to
Speaker 3: the future, so like that that did remind me of it.
Speaker 3: But like that just real quick, you know the reason
Speaker 3: why I even questioned that movie in itself. You know,
Speaker 3: I've explained before, like if magic is actually kind of
Speaker 3: going back into the past and spirit coming back to
Speaker 3: your body, technically would be going back to the future
Speaker 3: from when you were in spirit. Like if I if
Speaker 3: I'm going back into the past and becoming spirit, for
Speaker 3: me to go back to my body, I technically have
Speaker 3: to go back to the future. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard people say that you could, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: could get reincarnated into past historical epochs, which is something
Speaker 2: I find hard to get my head round. But time
Speaker 2: is a very fluid, fluid thing.
Speaker 3: It's all right, So the colors, I'm sorry, I totally
Speaker 3: got you, totally got you.
Speaker 4: Well for the colors, like, lean, do you need an
Speaker 4: instrument to observe that with your naked eye?
Speaker 2: Just with your naked eye. I mean that the the
Speaker 2: main measurements in organomy, in the study of all going
Speaker 2: in the past have been temperature, Geiger counters and visual
Speaker 2: just sensory information.
Speaker 3: And what colors? Did you say?
Speaker 2: Again, I'm sorry, blue is the main color for all?
Speaker 2: In fact, I've.
Speaker 3: Just like, I'm just wondering, like, why do we think
Speaker 3: the sky is blue?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why Reich thought the sky was blue, not
Speaker 2: because of particular sort of light diffraction qualities, but actually
Speaker 2: because the orgon is blue, the same with the ocean.
Speaker 2: And that was one of the observations with how Wright
Speaker 2: discovered or going in the first place, was he he
Speaker 2: was looking down the microscope at material that he had
Speaker 2: heated in water, sand and food, and one of there
Speaker 2: was a tiny little vesicle which he called a bion
Speaker 2: about smaller than a bacteria, but larger than viruses about
Speaker 2: or or whatever those entities are, and the like, about
Speaker 2: the size of half a dozen what's the term they
Speaker 2: use in terrain theorya uh uh exosomes? Yeah, yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: half a dozen exosomes in size or or a quarter
Speaker 2: of a bacteria and that these tiny little vesicles glowed blue.
Speaker 2: And so that was that was one of the first
Speaker 2: observations in organoermy and it gave right conjuncti vitis in
Speaker 2: his microscope by the the especially the sand packet bions
Speaker 2: or mm hm or what right called the sappa bions
Speaker 2: because I think because they've been charged by the sun
Speaker 2: for centuries on a beach where when when they were
Speaker 2: accidentally cooked, they turned into very strong bions and the
Speaker 2: blue they let off a blue orgone blue energy glow,
Speaker 2: and that was the beginning of the whole process of
Speaker 2: discovering or goone. That would have been in the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 2: I think early nineteen thirties in Europe, well maybe even before.
Speaker 3: It's making me think about the blue table on twin
Speaker 3: peaks now.
Speaker 4: Well, I was thinking of like the northern lights. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's a certain type of wargone, you know,
Speaker 4: that's why we see it green.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if that's like, you know, that's why
Speaker 3: I had as before, like why you know what colors?
Speaker 3: Because I was thinking you said more than blue. I
Speaker 3: don't know why, because I was even thinking like, is
Speaker 3: that why sometimes, like you know, in the mornings, we
Speaker 3: might see like the scarlet sky, you know, instead of
Speaker 3: the blue. I was like, could i'd just be changes
Speaker 3: in the world, in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be blues the base color.
Speaker 2: I think that's partly why some companies that they'll if
Speaker 2: like I think b m W has their their their
Speaker 2: top range is the blue series. And I think that's
Speaker 2: because because they know that blues the highest color in
Speaker 2: terms of of of this dimensional or reality.
Speaker 4: Multi people's favorite color too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's still mine as all.
Speaker 3: Yeah. H that's interesting. Did you have any other questions through?
Speaker 3: So that was a good one. So like you you
Speaker 3: could just see the colors, you know, by just by
Speaker 3: saying now, i' I'm assuming does the color have to
Speaker 3: do with a vibrational rate itself to.
Speaker 2: I can't so I don't think anybody has ever tested
Speaker 2: the vibrational rates of orgon. I mean sometimes I I've
Speaker 2: picked up that there's a device called blue Shield that
Speaker 2: that supposedly gives out a a subtle energy field that
Speaker 2: helps people with electro sensitivity and I used an orgone
Speaker 2: meter on on the blue shield device, and I if I,
Speaker 2: if I set the orgone meter to its most sensitive setting,
Speaker 2: I could pick up a frequency from the from the
Speaker 2: blue shield device. But it was very, very subtle. But
Speaker 2: the Russians will have investigated that because they they call
Speaker 2: for their name, are all going as torsion fields. And
Speaker 2: the Soviets were aware of all going and kept close
Speaker 2: close track of it from the nineteen forties that they
Speaker 2: ordered all of Reich's books and that they had all
Speaker 2: going accumulators in the Soviet Union, and then that they
Speaker 2: had some sophisticated devices for measuring frequency, and so that
Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be sophisticated frequency devices in Russia. As
Speaker 2: far as I know. There's not much in the in
Speaker 2: the Western literature on frequency and orgon, so that that's
Speaker 2: a whole area to be explored.
Speaker 4: I think sounds like actually start of one more question, sorry,
Speaker 4: before you move on to cloud busting lean. Do you
Speaker 4: know if there are places in the world where there's
Speaker 4: more of the or in or like the energized orgone
Speaker 4: and conversely like more places with the door negative.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just reading an old journal by a
Speaker 2: guy called Jeremy Eden this week, and he was did
Speaker 2: a lot of cloud busting back in the late seventies
Speaker 2: early eighties, and some of his descriptions of America in
Speaker 2: the late seventies, the door problem was much worse than
Speaker 2: it is now. And any environment, particularly deserts, if an
Speaker 2: environment is dying and the energy isn't moving, then that
Speaker 2: that's a kind of door environment.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, and.
Speaker 2: An environment where the energy is sparkling and you can
Speaker 2: see things with a lot of clarity, like I've I've
Speaker 2: noticed when when I've done some uh work with cloud
Speaker 2: busting myself or an energized form of cloud busting, that
Speaker 2: the environment sparkles. More So, if there's a lack of
Speaker 2: sparkling the environment and you can't see very far and
Speaker 2: the trees are drooping and they're the kind of brown
Speaker 2: brownness to the to the vegetation and that lack of clarity,
Speaker 2: then that that would be a doorish environment. Or it's
Speaker 2: a bit like smog. Smog had borderline lines with with
Speaker 2: with door because some of what is called smog is
Speaker 2: actually door. It's not just particulate, it's actually a kind
Speaker 2: of stuck energy in terms of where it is in
Speaker 2: the world. It can vary a lot because that there's
Speaker 2: desert regions where it's been really dorish. I mean probably
Speaker 2: if you wanted to find a really dorish environment now,
Speaker 2: perhaps over like Beijing in the summer, or Mexico City
Speaker 2: somewhere like that, and a very sparkling or or gone
Speaker 2: natural orgone environment perhaps sort of somewhere in South America
Speaker 2: or parts of Europe, Croatia or Switzerland, and then an
Speaker 2: urn or environment. So sometimes oign or environments look very
Speaker 2: almost hard, that there's like a blue hard look to
Speaker 2: the sky, like everything's overcharged. Sometimes after uh, after supposed
Speaker 2: nuclear tests. I don't know that it has been reported
Speaker 2: that the sky has had that very light urn or
Speaker 2: look in of like hard, super glassy, blue, cloudless kind
Speaker 2: of look. And I've seen that with when when you
Speaker 2: turn a cloudbuster into a an energized cloudbuster, right called
Speaker 2: it a space gun, and it works a bit differently
Speaker 2: to a cloudbuster, I think, but that there sometimes you
Speaker 2: get a very like a crystally sparkly look to the sky.
Speaker 2: So there is quite a difference. And back in the seventies,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of environments were really dorish. But
Speaker 2: I think perhaps a combination of people's consciousness and people's
Speaker 2: work on the ground. There was quite a lot of
Speaker 2: cloudbusting going on in places around the world that it
Speaker 2: certainly seems to be less boorish now that compared to
Speaker 2: the reports have read from the seventies.
Speaker 3: So yeah, something obviously right. You're saying, what's that? Sorry,
Speaker 3: So something has definitely changed in that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I wonder if five G has anything to do with
Speaker 4: that particles, you know, like in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, five G are definitely upset. The upset the
Speaker 2: orgone field because the the the that would be a
Speaker 2: very strong post atomic energy field, and that they're the
Speaker 2: post atomic and pre atomic fields are quite antagonistic. That
Speaker 2: that you get you get one from the other, but
Speaker 2: the two naturally fight. It's it's like putting a tiger
Speaker 2: and a sheep in a cage. They don't naturally get on.
Speaker 2: So that that's why, like I've noticed, like teenagers, they
Speaker 2: don't believe you when you when you say that the
Speaker 2: elect cool fields aren't good for them. But I know
Speaker 2: that they'll hold a phone all day in their hand
Speaker 2: or beyond Wi Fi on a laptop all day, and
Speaker 2: at the end of the day they feel really anxious
Speaker 2: and like I'll say, well, why don't you try hard
Speaker 2: wiring that or getting rid of the the Wi Fi
Speaker 2: and they'll feel better at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: It does so that that them holding that EMF device
Speaker 2: in their hands is upset their their or going field.
Speaker 2: The two do do interact.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: OK, so did you want to go into the cloud
Speaker 2: busting Yes, yes, well it all started about nineteen forty
Speaker 2: I know you wait.
Speaker 3: The real quick. I did want to go back to
Speaker 3: something I court you before. Now you actually have like
Speaker 3: done these experiments yourself, because I think you've mentioned something
Speaker 3: about like you trying to do your own like cloudbusting.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm probably the only person I know of
Speaker 2: who's who's done any experiments into the space gun apart
Speaker 2: from ch And as well as being the only person
Speaker 2: to repeat the or and or experiments.
Speaker 3: Do you have like some makemad scientists lab in your house?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's fucking wild.
Speaker 2: That's in terms of cloud busting, I've not done a
Speaker 2: lot in that area. That the main well, one of
Speaker 2: the main people is James Demio, who did a lot
Speaker 2: of work in cloud busting. He did a yeah, actually
Speaker 2: did an MA at Kansas University looking into cloudbusters, and
Speaker 2: because it was the late seventies, he got away with it.
Speaker 2: They'd never allow it now. And then he tried to
Speaker 2: do a PhD in cloud busting and that that was
Speaker 2: stamped on by the government. But but yeah, my main
Speaker 2: area has been or Gone and acupuncture and then or
Speaker 2: Gone in consciousness. But because because consciousness is a really
Speaker 2: high energy field, I tried to create the highest orgone
Speaker 2: charge I could and so that involved ron Or. And
Speaker 2: then because ron Or is associated with cloud busting, the
Speaker 2: energized cloud busting, that kind of got me interested in
Speaker 2: the got me to work on a kind of modification
Speaker 2: of the space gun, which is an energized cloud buster.
Speaker 2: So so there's other people who are the main people
Speaker 2: in cloud busting, but I've had a connection with the
Speaker 2: space gun.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Yeah, well all right, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It kind of goes back to about nineteen forty the
Speaker 2: cloud busters. Who did you want to go into that though?
Speaker 3: H yeah, yeah, yeah, well in.
Speaker 2: I could started off, I think he discovered the the
Speaker 2: bions and the orgone energy in Europe and then he
Speaker 2: was living in Oslo for a while where he was
Speaker 2: getting hounded by the psychiatrists over there. So he got
Speaker 2: an offer to stay in New York. So he went
Speaker 2: over and settled in America where until the Communists found
Speaker 2: out about him in the early fifties I think it
Speaker 2: was or late forties. He had a pretty good time
Speaker 2: in America and that he was he wasn't too obstructed
Speaker 2: until that point, but he constructed. He had a He
Speaker 2: built a laboratories and research facility in Maine, north of
Speaker 2: New York, and established a place called Organon, which still
Speaker 2: exists to this day. It's like a museum now. They
Speaker 2: do do some good work in that they've republished Contact
Speaker 2: with Space and some other books that were quite rare.
Speaker 2: I've got a photocopied version of Contact with Space which
Speaker 2: talks about his last years and the that's there's a
Speaker 2: lovely new version of it that the museums published. But
Speaker 2: there's a lake near there called Moose Look Meguntic Lake,
Speaker 2: and Reich in about nineteen forty was just watching the
Speaker 2: lake and he happened to have a tube and he
Speaker 2: pointed that I think he's he's got slightly psychic site.
Speaker 2: I think or he could see energy fields, which I
Speaker 2: can to a degree too. When you spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time working with orgone, it kind of changes your sight.
Speaker 2: You You kind of moved to from seeing matter more
Speaker 2: to seeing energy more in a way. And I think
Speaker 2: right naturally had this ability. And he was playing with
Speaker 2: this tube point he could see the orgone waves above
Speaker 2: the lake, which probably would have been a lighter blue
Speaker 2: shimmer over the deeper blue of the water. And he
Speaker 2: pointed the tube at the at the energy waves and
Speaker 2: saw that the waves moved when he pointed the tube.
Speaker 2: So in the back of his mind he knew that
Speaker 2: tubes had an effect on orgone. And so many years
Speaker 2: passed well, but nearly just over a decade passed, and
Speaker 2: he did the rain Or experiment at the end of
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty beginning of nineteen fifty one, and the way
Speaker 2: he took a really strong orgone energy room and put
Speaker 2: a milligram of radium in a in an orgone box
Speaker 2: inside an orgone room, and the orgone just went crazy
Speaker 2: and went all purple and all sorts of different effects
Speaker 2: and got really overcharged and made people ill and set
Speaker 2: geig accounts going for all the way up the coast
Speaker 2: and so this experiment kind of got out of control,
Speaker 2: and after the end calmed down, they dismantled the all
Speaker 2: going room and tried to clear the energy and they couldn't.
Speaker 3: What's the what's the number for radium? Real quick, if
Speaker 3: you don't mind me asking, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not sure of the chemical number for for radium?
Speaker 3: I know, all right, Radium is a chemical element with
Speaker 3: the symbol R A RA. The atomic number is eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, really is it eighty eight?
Speaker 3: Because I mean this totally goes along with the disruption
Speaker 3: of the of the text. Number that goes along with
Speaker 3: Trump has totally caused the disruption since he's come into
Speaker 3: the fucking picture.
Speaker 4: Maybe indicates nuclear war is upon us.
Speaker 2: We well, Trump is a forty four, isn't he?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 2: He was he the forty fourth president? No?
Speaker 4: Forty I think.
Speaker 2: Because in some of my experiments.
Speaker 3: With forty four also goes for how much you on
Speaker 3: lost for Twitter?
Speaker 2: For right? Right? Because I've been getting a lot of
Speaker 2: eights with with the the orgone device in some of
Speaker 2: my research, and that that's four plus four. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that about radium.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, me and her are even talking before, and I
Speaker 3: mean We've said it multiple times. Eight and fours are
Speaker 3: popping up all over the place of versions of it,
Speaker 3: a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Eights and fours.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Oh, that that reminds me that water, that water language.
Speaker 2: I want to look more into that. The on the
Speaker 2: that Ai Jesus show, you.
Speaker 3: Did Yes Yes with a giant. Yeah, that was some
Speaker 3: wild fun stuff.
Speaker 2: So going back to organ one, he had the kind
Speaker 2: of emergency after the oran Or experiment and he got
Speaker 2: the door clouds, so that there were these black clouds
Speaker 2: that hung over the laboratory and they didn't go anywhere else.
Speaker 2: They didn't go even to the next town. They just
Speaker 2: hung over the lab and like the other clouds would
Speaker 2: move and these would stay, and they had a really
Speaker 2: negative effect on It was a very doorish environment because
Speaker 2: the ore goner got really excited and then died or
Speaker 2: got stuck. So you had dead and dying trees, and
Speaker 2: even the rocks were affected. The rocks were turning into
Speaker 2: a blackish brown substance that right called melanoor. And so
Speaker 2: the main thing that inspired the cloudbusters were these door
Speaker 2: clouds that just wouldn't go and so it made the
Speaker 2: a combination between the door clouds and the and the
Speaker 2: effects of the urn Or experiment made the laboratory unusable
Speaker 2: pretty much except for a few hours at a time.
Speaker 2: So Rich had an idea to He thought, well, I'm
Speaker 2: going to have to try and remove these clouds some way.
Speaker 2: And he remembered from back to nineteen forty that tubes
Speaker 2: will affect or going at a distance. So and he
Speaker 2: knew from his prior research that door is very water hungry.
Speaker 2: That's partly why it has negative effects on people's bodies,
Speaker 2: because the energy itself craves water and it craves to
Speaker 2: get moving again. And water is a super substance. It
Speaker 2: does so many different things. And one of one of
Speaker 2: the things it does is it attracts orgon and it
Speaker 2: anchors orgone much more strongly than any other substance. So
Speaker 2: reich Reich knew that tubes affect the flow of orgone
Speaker 2: at the distance, and he knew that water attracts all
Speaker 2: going stronger than anything else. So so he put those
Speaker 2: two things together, and that that's how he came up
Speaker 2: with the cloudbuster. So I think at first he just
Speaker 2: got a long metal tube and grounded it into water
Speaker 2: and pointed at the clouds that the door clouds over
Speaker 2: over above the organ on and he saw that had
Speaker 2: an effect, so that then he went and got five
Speaker 2: I think five or six I think it was five,
Speaker 2: about six to about I think they were about there
Speaker 2: was somewhere between six and ten foot I think maybe
Speaker 2: eight or nine foot long pipes he must have just
Speaker 2: had on the premises, and he bundled them together, got
Speaker 2: some coax cable and connected it into a pond or
Speaker 2: a lake on on the property and pointed out of
Speaker 2: the door clouds and that there was one of the well.
Speaker 2: I think Dr Baker was with him. He had a
Speaker 2: group of doctors and psychiatrists who worked with him on
Speaker 2: the on the therapeutic side of his work, and one
Speaker 2: of them was there with him, and he saw five
Speaker 2: holes punched into the into the door cloud and that
Speaker 2: was that was the start of the cloud busting.
Speaker 4: That's so interestingly. Do you know what metal the tubes
Speaker 4: were made of?
Speaker 2: The tubes themselves, they can be made of any metal
Speaker 2: pretty much. I think the the main the metal that
Speaker 2: Ryker was using would have been steel. It will work
Speaker 2: with steel's probably preferable, but it will work with copper
Speaker 2: or any any metal. Really.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if I have the visual right, because I'm
Speaker 4: trying to like make a picture in my mind by
Speaker 4: what you're describing. So is he like, is it like
Speaker 4: a pool of water and like the bottom of the
Speaker 4: tubes are in the water and then they're directed at
Speaker 4: the cloud you want to bust.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it will work like that, okay. The the the
Speaker 2: developed Cloudbuster had a series of half a dozen nine
Speaker 2: to twelve foot long tubes. It looked like something off
Speaker 2: of In fact, I've just watched a nineteen fifties movie
Speaker 2: that had it was produced at the same time as
Speaker 2: it was The Earth Versus The Earth Versus the Fly
Speaker 2: the Flying Saucers from nineteen fifty seven, and I think
Speaker 2: that they base their device on there or from the Cloudbuster,
Speaker 2: but because they had a similar Reich used to have
Speaker 2: his Cloudbuster on the back of a truck and it
Speaker 2: had a big fireman's handle to move it round, so
Speaker 2: it looked a bit like a It looked like some
Speaker 2: kind of space cannon or a So that they be
Speaker 2: half a dozen like nine foot long nine to twelve
Speaker 2: foot long pipes mounted on a device that can move
Speaker 2: around and then at the bottom of the pipes one
Speaker 2: end of the pipes is open and the other pipe
Speaker 2: end of the pipes would be closed, and then the
Speaker 2: bottom end of the pipes will be connected to a
Speaker 2: thick cable and then that cable gets grounded into water.
Speaker 2: There is other ways of people have adapted the cloudbusters
Speaker 2: in different ways. Some people are just even put tubes
Speaker 2: into the ground in Africa and that's worked. But the
Speaker 2: main device that Reich used was looked a bit like
Speaker 2: a sort of something out of World War two really.
Speaker 3: So it's like those are the guns that they have
Speaker 3: on like fucking Star Wars. Yeah, you're like those guns
Speaker 3: that are like when they're sitting in that things sloven
Speaker 3: all over the place. As a cloud buster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it was really bizarre watching this movie from
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven because they Reich would have been in
Speaker 2: prison at that point, and they used the same vehicle
Speaker 2: that Reich would have mounted his Cloudbuster on, or a
Speaker 2: pretty similar type of vehicle, and they even had the
Speaker 2: same the same handle for turning the cloudbuster away around,
Speaker 2: although in the movie they've they've got a like a
Speaker 2: satellite dish and a large tube and then an inner
Speaker 2: tube and that that how the cloud buster looked Kate
Speaker 2: Bush's video, the cloud Buster video that that's got a
Speaker 2: device in it that looks similar to what they've It
Speaker 2: looks a bit more technical than what the Cloudbuster actually
Speaker 2: look like. I've probably got a picture here that I
Speaker 2: can show.
Speaker 4: All of us are going to YouTube her music videos.
Speaker 4: This is over.
Speaker 3: We're all like it's going to get an increase.
Speaker 4: I've always loved that song though.
Speaker 3: You know what I wanted to ask you real quick
Speaker 3: while you're looking for this leon, just to go back
Speaker 3: again to what you said about paranormal activity and stuff
Speaker 3: in the beginning. Now, you caught my interest when you
Speaker 3: said or Gone attracts the water like naturally the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, water is the strongest attractor for or Gone.
Speaker 2: And funny enough, I mean water might be physically condensed
Speaker 2: or gone.
Speaker 3: Because I've said that before, I question if water was
Speaker 3: a condensed consciousness crazy.
Speaker 2: I think it actually literally is, because all Gone is
Speaker 2: the ideas in the shower.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, those feel good when we're in your.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like the Eureka moment in the bath,
Speaker 2: and I think all goone literally compresses into water, excites
Speaker 2: and to charge particles and geometric shapes changed kind of
Speaker 2: the flow or the mind of orgone, and that that
Speaker 2: one of one time there was I mean when you
Speaker 2: when you point a cloud buster at the sky, it
Speaker 2: kind of contracts the orgone into one area the sky.
Speaker 2: And then whenever you get a contraction of the the orgone,
Speaker 2: the water moisture follows. But I think you can actually
Speaker 2: create virgin water, as it were, because in one of
Speaker 2: Reich's experiments in the or and Ore, after the urn
Speaker 2: Or experiments, he buried the radium needles. He put it
Speaker 2: into a lead container that the radium needles had come in.
Speaker 2: There's only one milligram of radium. It's not a huge amount,
Speaker 2: but it had very strong effects after it was all
Speaker 2: going charged. But that that one milligram of radium, Like
Speaker 2: you could have that milligram of radium quite safely in
Speaker 2: your room, like unshielded, not a dangerous amount, but like
Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to sleep with it under your pillow. Like,
Speaker 2: but after it had been all going charge, it had
Speaker 2: become really strong and done had strange effects on the
Speaker 2: Geiger counter and stuff.
Speaker 3: But see, that was kind of why I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask you about the water real quick. Is that you know,
Speaker 3: like have you ever heard that sometimes running water in
Speaker 3: like maybe certain rocks and minerals can cause these paranormal
Speaker 3: effects at places. Oh so I'm wondering, like, could it
Speaker 3: be like the running organ with the water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could definitely because the the when when he
Speaker 2: when he put the radium in the in this, it
Speaker 2: was in a sealed container with grease around the top,
Speaker 2: so there's no way anything was getting into that. And
Speaker 2: then it was that was put inside a lead safe
Speaker 2: and the whole thing was buried. And then when they
Speaker 2: opened the inner container it had water in it or
Speaker 2: a kind of liquid. So I think that liquid was
Speaker 2: literally created. I think it probably was water, but it
Speaker 2: was created literally just from energy, but not condensed from
Speaker 2: the environment, so.
Speaker 3: That evaporation could be.
Speaker 2: Well, in the in the metal container, there's nothing that
Speaker 2: could have evaporated, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, like evaporation, Like do you think
Speaker 3: that maybe could be like the oregone separating from itself
Speaker 3: back into like that, so condensed.
Speaker 2: It could be because like some strange things can happen
Speaker 2: when with cloudbusters like that. There's been this phenomena of
Speaker 2: desert greening where I think that's been that's been seen
Speaker 2: in a number of countries is actually quite well documented
Speaker 2: overalls scientifically cloud busting that the desert greening happens without
Speaker 2: sort of overwater. You're on a cloud busting operation over
Speaker 2: a number of days, sometimes the desert starts to green
Speaker 2: without at raining. I've got a picture here of one.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that that will come.
Speaker 3: Up right there? Okay, yeah, and this kind of looks
Speaker 3: like a tube sticking out of the ground. That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's not a very good picture, but
Speaker 2: it's easy to find on online.
Speaker 3: And well, now if you're quickly, if real quick, if
Speaker 3: you don't mind me, ask like, what's your setup?
Speaker 4: Well, I want to see it. Take us to the
Speaker 4: secret Lively.
Speaker 2: Well, if you go to cycle or going and look
Speaker 2: up my papers, you you can see pictures of my
Speaker 2: of my setup. And it's basically because I've not got
Speaker 2: the space for a whole or going room, I created
Speaker 2: the equivalent by getting a human sized or going a
Speaker 2: que lator and then I this was over many years
Speaker 2: and the orgone. For the orgone acupuncture experiments, I had
Speaker 2: like a mini accumulator that would connect to acupuncture points.
Speaker 2: So I had like three or four mini accumulators and
Speaker 2: so I put them inside the big accumulator, and then
Speaker 2: I put metal against the back. I put some radiators
Speaker 2: behind the cabinet, and then a load of crystals and
Speaker 2: other things inside and orgone tubes. So I think I
Speaker 2: had about a dozen different orgone devices inside one kind
Speaker 2: of six foot by three foot orgone box. So the.
Speaker 3: Going on, oh yeah, well, somebody was just saying you
Speaker 3: gotta run on Leon as a joke. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: I was thrown out the three six nine, Maybe I should.
Speaker 2: So the energy off off the box was really high.
Speaker 2: And then I then stimulated the box with a little
Speaker 2: bit of radioactive material, which was just a uh some
Speaker 2: smoke alarms a little bit of because they contain a
Speaker 2: bit of americium in them. And then the space gun
Speaker 2: bit was I just got some scaffolding pipes, and I
Speaker 2: actually got the idea because I had the whole urn
Speaker 2: or again, it was kind of acti nal bit a
Speaker 2: bit like Reike's work at first, and that I had
Speaker 2: the Originally I had the box set up in a
Speaker 2: garage that was next to a little side road, and
Speaker 2: a scaffolding truck parked next to the garage, and I
Speaker 2: and it had two two long scaffolding pipes that were
Speaker 2: pointed up at a cloud, and I noticed that the
Speaker 2: cloud seemed to be dissipating, and I thought, well, I
Speaker 2: wonder if the hour and ore energy in the box
Speaker 2: is going through the pipes on the truck and affecting
Speaker 2: the cloud. So I got some scaffolding pipes and put them.
Speaker 2: I'd opened the box up and put the scaffolding pipes
Speaker 2: next to the box, and the it would seem to
Speaker 2: affect the environment. It was slower than Reich's spacegun was
Speaker 2: a full sized cloudbuster with a whole milligram of are
Speaker 2: gone charged radium place next to it, whereas mine was.
Speaker 2: I toned Reich's experiments down by maybe one thousandfold and
Speaker 2: used less radioactivity and the tubes were smaller, so it
Speaker 2: seemed to be a slower process, but similar to what
Speaker 2: Reich had mentioned, like the sparkle would increase in the
Speaker 2: environment and clouds would get less where it was pointed.
Speaker 2: And my friend and researcher in Italy he analyzed the
Speaker 2: particulate data and it found that when the space gun
Speaker 2: was put up, the pollution particulates went down in the region,
Speaker 2: so that I'm pretty convinced that it does something to
Speaker 2: the environment and the it's not as versatile a thing
Speaker 2: as the cloudbuster, and I guess it's a space gun
Speaker 2: tight device and not not as strong as rekes, but
Speaker 2: it seems to dry out the atmosphere, make it more sparkling,
Speaker 2: and it seems to had the the environment to being
Speaker 2: sort of sunnier. Whereas cloud busting can be used both
Speaker 2: to create clouds and to dissipate them, depending where you
Speaker 2: point the the tubes as well.
Speaker 3: So like when you when you're doing this stuff, you
Speaker 3: can actually watch yourself create a cloud and then just
Speaker 3: get rid of it.
Speaker 2: I guess it would be a little bit.
Speaker 3: More or like do you create the cloud in and
Speaker 3: just stays or does it just kind of like.
Speaker 2: It's kind of more like a good analogy would be acupuncture.
Speaker 2: Like rather than creating something from scratch or dissipating something
Speaker 2: from scratch, you're more kind of it's like environmental acupuncture.
Speaker 2: You're kind of nudging the environment in certain ways. Like
Speaker 2: a lot of the early cloud busting efforts were made
Speaker 2: to door blockages, like that there be a blockage of
Speaker 2: door over the mountains and you might have two or
Speaker 2: three cloud busters that are pointed at increase it because
Speaker 2: the orgone energy streams around the planet from west to east,
Speaker 2: and that there's orgone streams across across continents and sometimes
Speaker 2: if you get a line of door, it will block
Speaker 2: the orgone streams and then they can't bring water. So
Speaker 2: a lot of the cloud busting operations in the seventies
Speaker 2: and eighties and were aimed at breaking down these these
Speaker 2: door blockages. So it's more like it's like an environmental
Speaker 2: therapy really, and you have to be quite careful that
Speaker 2: you don't push the environment too much in one direction
Speaker 2: or another because.
Speaker 3: So you can probably seriously manipulate weather than with orgon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that twice a hurricane has been steered.
Speaker 2: The Hurricane Dora in in sixty seven and Hurricane Edna
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty four were steered right right, steered a
Speaker 2: hurricane and stopped a guy that was chucked in prison
Speaker 2: and left to rot. He saved New York from a
Speaker 2: hurricane and with a cloud busting operation and one of his.
Speaker 3: And that's like a documented known thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all documented.
Speaker 3: It's like accepted in the science world. That's not considered
Speaker 3: like a conspiracy crazy idea.
Speaker 2: It's all it won't be accepted that it was done
Speaker 2: with a cloudbuster. But the.
Speaker 3: Discrediting you, I'm just saying, like, in case people to
Speaker 3: look into this, how would you find that? You know,
Speaker 3: so I find that one.
Speaker 2: I mean you could find it in two places in
Speaker 2: the orgone literature because orgonomy is unique as a as
Speaker 2: an alternative science in that it's got documented journals going
Speaker 2: from nineteen forties up to now, and it has never
Speaker 2: not had journals. There's always been a group of doctors
Speaker 2: and researchers and lay people who've documented their work so
Speaker 2: that it's documented in the orgone literature. But it should
Speaker 2: be the track of the hurricanes should be documented in
Speaker 2: the mainstream literature so that the I wouldn't have thought
Speaker 2: there'd be any dispute as to the where, the where
Speaker 2: they trapped and when, but that they were. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're they're very sneaky the authorities because in America there's
Speaker 2: a there's a law requiring any weather modification to be
Speaker 2: registered with the government, any private attempts and and James
Speaker 2: Demo registered all his cloud busting work with the n
Speaker 2: o A, a National Oceanographic Association, and also another person
Speaker 2: who did a lot of cloud busting. I think it
Speaker 2: might have been Jeremy Eden. He documented a load of
Speaker 2: stuff with them, and that they they purposely lost Demeo's
Speaker 2: documents and they ignored Eden's documents so that they I
Speaker 2: mean that that that brings me to something that's little
Speaker 2: known even in organomy, is that not only do government
Speaker 2: suppress their citizens knowing about all gone and Epha and things,
Speaker 2: but they also suppress each other, like the the at
Speaker 2: one point, the Israeli government took an interest in in
Speaker 2: cloud busting, and the the Americans in the think at
Speaker 2: the late fifties, the Americans wouldn't give like a visa
Speaker 2: to go to Israel so that they could stop him
Speaker 2: communicating and.
Speaker 3: That there other people doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that the the there was a pressure on
Speaker 2: another government took some interest in in a cloud busting
Speaker 2: as well as the Israelis. The the eritreans next to
Speaker 2: small country next to Ethiopia, and they had some amazing
Speaker 2: results from Demeo's cloud busting. And I think it was
Speaker 2: the eighties that they literally reversed a huge a huge
Speaker 2: kind of desertification process and saved the country tens of
Speaker 2: millions in food imports and Lake Nasa refilled up. That
Speaker 2: it was I think some like what.
Speaker 3: Did they actually do? Would they actually create enough clouds
Speaker 3: to actually be able to start agriculture?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, they DeMeo went over to eastern Africa with
Speaker 2: a team and he had three large cloudbusters at different
Speaker 2: points over Eritrea, and they reversed the kind of desert
Speaker 2: process for the whole of the Horn of Africa, and
Speaker 2: the weather improved spectacularly and lakes filled up that had
Speaker 2: never been filled for centuries. I've won one newspaper in
Speaker 2: the States described it as biblical. The changes in eastern Africa.
Speaker 2: Snow's been seen in places work that haven't snowed for centuries.
Speaker 2: Whole valleys have greened in Israel and across Africa and
Speaker 2: in the US, like sort of door emergencies have been reversed,
Speaker 2: and the the kind of effects have been huge over
Speaker 2: like free cloudbusters, like three large cloudbusters, like truck mounted cloudbusters,
Speaker 2: in effect the weather over a third of the continent,
Speaker 2: maybe half a continent, so that it's it's pretty powerful technology. Really.
Speaker 2: I think Demo got quite worried at one point that
Speaker 2: he was worried that the I mean, he did so
Speaker 2: much for augonomy, but his work got ignored by governments
Speaker 2: and academia. But he was concerned that it was too
Speaker 2: powerful a knowledge to go out into the mainstream. But
Speaker 2: there's no other way. I mean, our governments are messed
Speaker 2: with everything and not exactly that caring, so we may
Speaker 2: as well know all there is to know.
Speaker 3: You know what I was just I just want to
Speaker 3: ask you this question real quick. I'm playing and ask
Speaker 3: it in a silly way. I'm just like trying to
Speaker 3: get an idea of like what I'm thinking about here.
Speaker 3: Now you're saying areas that I guess kind of I
Speaker 3: guess a lacked orgone would be more of like desert
Speaker 3: area or had a specific type, right, what was that?
Speaker 3: What were you would be more of a desert or
Speaker 3: was that negative?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean the desert process.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, the right reason why I wanted to ask,
Speaker 3: and I'll finish asking and that maybe you can make
Speaker 3: sense of what I'm trying to ask. Let's I guess
Speaker 3: the best way if you think, let's say it's like
Speaker 3: you had a vacuum over the Earth and you're going
Speaker 3: to suck up all the positive stuff with the area
Speaker 3: that ends up becoming negative. Would all start to look
Speaker 3: like desolation in desert?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could in fact like a time for the
Speaker 2: UFOs that often used to hang around the cloud busting activity.
Speaker 2: He thought they were hostile and giving outdoor, and Jeremy
Speaker 2: Eden thought the same. I've sometimes wondered if those were
Speaker 2: not UFOs but like earth craft that were not very
Speaker 2: well tuned and were giving out door rather because they
Speaker 2: weren't very well built.
Speaker 3: This is what I was I was wondering though, like
Speaker 3: this question could like could that you know how like
Speaker 3: you're saying that like they were using the cloud busting
Speaker 3: to kind of like fix the desert area and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Could could the desert area be a side
Speaker 3: effect of sucking up the other stuff that was there?
Speaker 3: Let's say you're trying to harness all this ship, could
Speaker 3: these surrounding areas that you're taking it from start to
Speaker 3: look like you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that that. Reich thought there was a
Speaker 2: that there was a kind of He compared deserts to
Speaker 2: a kind of cancer process of the earth. Like if
Speaker 2: you look at the Sahara, it's it's like a huge
Speaker 2: swave of the earth has dyed and and the certainly.
Speaker 2: At one point. Right used to notice that when there
Speaker 2: was a lot of UFOs going because they would be
Speaker 2: attracted by cloud busting, And when there was a lot
Speaker 2: a lot of UFOs traveling across where he was working,
Speaker 2: that the door seemed to increase.
Speaker 3: But maybe that's why they call it Project Bluebeam.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there was Project Blue Book as well, wasn't there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they know about the connection between blue and Orgo and
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Well the desert thing struck me a little bit because
Speaker 4: I know they say, you know a lot of supernatural
Speaker 4: activity is associated with the desert, but also specifically like
Speaker 4: the nepheline and like disembodied spirits that tend to be
Speaker 4: drawn to stay stuck in the desert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was even thinking in the pyramid. They say
Speaker 3: that some some people think it could have been used
Speaker 3: to harness energy. Well what if it harnessed everything out
Speaker 3: of that area, and that's why.
Speaker 4: It looks like that dry?
Speaker 3: Yea like shot it up into the sky. Now it's
Speaker 3: all gone. I went somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, it could be you could harvest the the orgon
Speaker 2: from the planet that it also cosmically, the sun attracts
Speaker 2: all going from the surroundings, and it becomes a condensation
Speaker 2: of of orgone and the the because there's great galactic
Speaker 2: streams of all gone too, so that the Earth would
Speaker 2: be in a galactic stream and as.
Speaker 3: Light acceleration.
Speaker 2: From road to high so.
Speaker 3: The more keeping an eye on the war going up there.
Speaker 2: H But yeah, there's there's definitely a connection between deserts
Speaker 2: and deserts can be they can be high in or
Speaker 2: or in some ways like they can have a high
Speaker 2: ur or charge, which might explain the paranormal aspect. So
Speaker 2: if it if the desert was very alive looking, that
Speaker 2: might have a high ur or charge or was very sparkly.
Speaker 2: But if it looked kind of dead and brownish, and
Speaker 2: then it'd be more door. But I'd imagine the sparkly
Speaker 2: high energy thing would be more the paranormal end.
Speaker 3: May mean that's maybe that's why fucking Edward sparkles in this.
Speaker 4: Oh in Twilight the Vampire, he sparkles in the sun.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, are you a teenage girl?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: But I was just thinking of sparkling and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I pictured it. This gave me vampire sparkling.
Speaker 2: Fuck. When the Pyramids were first built, it was lush
Speaker 2: in Egypt certainly that they know when when the Sphinx
Speaker 2: was built, it was wet in that area, So I
Speaker 2: mean they would have been absolutely amazing. I mean, white
Speaker 2: marble covering these huge It would have looked like something
Speaker 2: straight out of Star Trek, had these white marble covered,
Speaker 2: huge solid stone pyramids, maybe with a glowing crystal on
Speaker 2: the top, with waterways and the Sphinx nearby and surrounded
Speaker 2: by lush vegetation. We're seeing the very tail end of
Speaker 2: their their kind of life, as it were, so that
Speaker 2: they would have been a lot more vibrant in the past.
Speaker 2: So it was maybe they were keeping the life force
Speaker 2: of the of the whole planet raised to to try
Speaker 2: and help us through this period we're going through. Because
Speaker 2: they're I suspect they've been around longer than longer than
Speaker 2: sort of the four or five thousand years we're told,
Speaker 2: or like ten thousand, I would suspect. But they're all
Speaker 2: goone devices too.
Speaker 3: You know. I was just thinking too. You mentioned before
Speaker 3: that you could easily just throw like a wire into watering. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean did the pyramids have like water running?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And they also had an or and ore
Speaker 2: effect because the granite is slightly radioactive, So you've got
Speaker 2: that huge amount of well, the shape condensers orgone. Pyramid
Speaker 2: shapes condense orgone, and the granite being slightly radioactive, will
Speaker 2: have an or and ore effect, and just the sheer
Speaker 2: quantity of stone will attract the orgone plus the water water,
Speaker 2: and you've got different layers too. You've got the the
Speaker 2: outer marble and then the limestone and different rocks in
Speaker 2: the center and water underneath, as you say, moving water too.
Speaker 2: I think it had so, yeah, it would have been
Speaker 2: a hugely strong orgone device. The same with Mesma. Mesma
Speaker 2: was an orgone scientist because he built a device that
Speaker 2: was both a kind of cloudbuster and an orgone accumulator
Speaker 2: called the back a Tesla. Was the same. I mean,
Speaker 2: he believed that electricity was an effect of the ethera,
Speaker 2: which is the orgo.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that, if you
Speaker 3: think electricity and organ really connected. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 3: might have said that in the first one too, but I.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, charged particles are condensed or going. That's
Speaker 2: like Henry Moray, who who did the He had like
Speaker 2: a radioactive radio that had this crystal in it that
Speaker 2: kind of condensed the eph or the orgone field and
Speaker 2: he could tune it into the environment, and he had
Speaker 2: one antenna going up into the sky and another into
Speaker 2: the ground. And that that was all hushed up. I
Speaker 2: think that was that was well before World War Two,
Speaker 2: and that that was totally hushed up. And again the
Speaker 2: Soviets knew about that, so that the the a library
Speaker 2: book Henry Moray based some of his work on a physicist,
Speaker 2: and that that physicist's book was taken out of every
Speaker 2: US public library after Henry Moray's work. But he created
Speaker 2: what I call virgin electricity, because I think electricity, when
Speaker 2: you've generated it mechanically is is old and tired. And
Speaker 2: energy electricity when it's come straight from the EFA, it's
Speaker 2: like completely new because you can you've compressed new EFA
Speaker 2: into a new charged particle and more experienced that like
Speaker 2: when when he connected his EFA radio up that the
Speaker 2: light that he can connect a bank of lights up
Speaker 2: to the ether radio and it had a different quality.
Speaker 2: That the light was more like sunlight and not harsh
Speaker 2: the same as you like if you plug the same
Speaker 2: bank of lights into the into the house grid. That
Speaker 2: it had a different feel. So I think you can
Speaker 2: get new water and new electricity too.
Speaker 3: Well, I was trying to think of like that stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just wondering if like the maid in
Speaker 3: an aspect could even go back to virgin electricity like
Speaker 3: you're talking about, you know, in occultism. That's really interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was something I was going to ask. Oh the
Speaker 3: reason I think I had even asked you if you
Speaker 3: thought it could be associated with electricity. Helen had meet
Speaker 3: a comment in the Bible, and the comment in the
Speaker 3: chat asking about is there a Bible quote regarding there
Speaker 3: being water above and water below? And I started thinking
Speaker 3: about that and then thinking about how like lightning and
Speaker 3: the lightning rods. You know, maybe some people don't know,
Speaker 3: but like lightning rods work because lightning actually comes out
Speaker 3: a little bit and meets the lightning from the sky. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so I was like wondering, is that above
Speaker 3: and so below of like kind of like the gorgons
Speaker 3: connecting a meeting with each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there is an aspect to that
Speaker 2: because the cloudbuster is like a lightning rod and the
Speaker 2: I think the cloud busters sometimes pools waters above to
Speaker 2: waters below because all going is like a form of
Speaker 2: water and the space gun I suspect might work slightly differently,
Speaker 2: and that you've got a very high charge at the
Speaker 2: bottom and it kind of shoots charge up into the sky,
Speaker 2: which is why it has kind of slightly more organizing
Speaker 2: effect or makes the sky or and or clear.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's possible you could turn a potato
Speaker 3: gun into a cloudbusting gun, to like, can we have
Speaker 3: both at the same time so I can cloud bust
Speaker 3: and shoot potatoes at people? Is it possible to make that?
Speaker 3: Sounds like the same thing. I just need it too perfect.
Speaker 2: You can make it from anything, really, But just on
Speaker 2: the aspect of the Bible that there is. It reminds
Speaker 2: me of that there's this thing about living water in
Speaker 2: in the Bible, and I think that's kind of a
Speaker 2: reflection of orgone because orgone is kind of like a
Speaker 2: water as energy and it's alive and conscious. So it's
Speaker 2: quite a good description living water. And there's various orgone
Speaker 2: devices in the Bible. Nebuch Is and Ear had an
Speaker 2: orgone room, the gold lined room, and the the Arc
Speaker 2: of the Covenant.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask you, is the Ark of
Speaker 4: the Covenant is just an orgone box?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it is. It's an orn Or box because
Speaker 2: it was a gold line box with wooden gold. And
Speaker 2: then the Roberto, my Italian research friend, he's done a
Speaker 2: quite a bit of work into finding what the substance
Speaker 2: was that they put in the arc to activate it,
Speaker 2: and it sounds like it was a radioactive stone of
Speaker 2: some sort. So once that was in the just roughly,
Speaker 2: I think the the arc of the Covenant was about
Speaker 2: one thousand times stronger than reich set up. And in
Speaker 2: terms of ronor, so it had been a huge amount
Speaker 2: of Ornor. You can if you had something to strength
Speaker 2: of the arc now, you wouldn't be able to keep
Speaker 2: it in a town or anywhere. It just you'd need
Speaker 2: a mile space to put it in, which luckily they
Speaker 2: had the desert to keep it in and the priests
Speaker 2: to like specifically look after it in certain ways, otherwise
Speaker 2: you'd get or or sickness if you went too near it.
Speaker 2: And then Reichs set up my well, my setup was
Speaker 2: kind of a thousand times less strong than Reich's, so
Speaker 2: I managed to repeat the the urn Or experiment without
Speaker 2: having an aur and or emergency just about.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that the there was a there was a
Speaker 2: cloud that used to follow the arc around and that
Speaker 2: that that would have been like an or and or
Speaker 2: cloud and.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Oh.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you something before really forgotten and
Speaker 3: it came back to me. I know, it's kind of
Speaker 3: going back. That's something you said earlier, even like how
Speaker 3: you were saying how the government like suppresses and carshes
Speaker 3: this stuff. Can you get government funding to study this
Speaker 3: stuff or to experiment with it?
Speaker 2: Well, me and DeMeo there were the only two people
Speaker 2: who've done a masters in organomy or that focused on organomy,
Speaker 2: and I don't think you could do that now. I
Speaker 2: mean I did mine into orgone and acupuncture in two
Speaker 2: thousand and DeMeo did his masters in cloud busting in
Speaker 2: seventy nine, but that they wouldn't allow that.
Speaker 3: Now, Okay. The reason I asked is, I know sometimes
Speaker 3: when they fund stuff, they're also like on the stuff
Speaker 3: as well too, or at least on the findings.
Speaker 6: So I was wondering, like if, well, it's a very
Speaker 6: key question they did that at all, because Demo tried
Speaker 6: to do a PhD in cloud busting and he at
Speaker 6: that time, I don't think the government followed.
Speaker 2: Academ make workers closely and they but he applied for
Speaker 2: funding and that that's how the National Science Association heard
Speaker 2: got wind of him doing a cloud busting PhD, and
Speaker 2: then that they reported it back and someone either from
Speaker 2: there or elsewhere in the government leaned on the University
Speaker 2: of Kansas to stop the PhD going ahead. So he
Speaker 2: ended up doing a PhD into the how how deserts
Speaker 2: and Reich's theory of armoring affects cultures and spreads out
Speaker 2: into the world. He called it Sara Asia, which is
Speaker 2: a kind of kind of an environmental anthropological study. But
Speaker 2: if he had gone ahead and done a cloud busting
Speaker 2: pH D, they would have knocked him off for sure.
Speaker 2: And the the the US government suppressed other even other
Speaker 2: governments using cloud busting Eritrea had very good effects for
Speaker 2: about I think it went on over about five years
Speaker 2: that the cloud busting and that they got pushed back
Speaker 2: from from Western governments and they the the US stopped
Speaker 2: uh suppressed interest from that. I think there was two
Speaker 2: Israeli prime ministers that had showed an interest in in
Speaker 2: organomy that they wanted to get an ambassador to to
Speaker 2: visit organon and I think Ben Gurion was one of
Speaker 2: them and so that was suppressed too, but that they're
Speaker 2: there nowadays, I don't think you could do any any
Speaker 2: masters or PhDs that that were not within the conventional field.
Speaker 2: Do you think the West? Maybe outside of the West
Speaker 2: you could, But do.
Speaker 3: You think I guess, like this is my next question
Speaker 3: of going along with that, like the fact of like
Speaker 3: you know, they're not even letting you do it. Do
Speaker 3: you think they're they're practicing it themselves and using it
Speaker 3: like like heavily, and maybe they don't want people to
Speaker 3: realize or realize realize that and realize actually maybe how
Speaker 3: easily it could be for anybody to do it technically.
Speaker 2: I they the British government does have cloudbusters because I
Speaker 2: don't well, they did have in the eighties and at
Speaker 2: an Air Force base and that they there was a
Speaker 2: hurricane in the eighties which I think was caused by
Speaker 2: the Air Force using cloudbusters not very well, or but
Speaker 2: using them sort of inappropriately. Because the the as in
Speaker 2: that film the The Earth Versus Flying sources that that's
Speaker 2: based on cloud busting because reich u it showed that
Speaker 2: you could effect because UFOs run on some kind of
Speaker 2: epo or or go and field if you point a
Speaker 2: cloudbuster at a UFO, it makes it wobble, and so
Speaker 2: that that that was the effect they use in that
Speaker 2: film and the so the I think the the the
Speaker 2: Royal Air Force set up some cloud busters so that
Speaker 2: they could use that effect, assumably presumably and maybe some
Speaker 2: general thought, oh, there's nothing to it, let's just put
Speaker 2: them all on full blast, and that there was because
Speaker 2: usually only get hurricanes in tropical areas, and that there
Speaker 2: was a tropical hurricane that hit the UK in the
Speaker 2: late eighties, and that that's totally not supposed to happen,
Speaker 2: and some weather presenter got it in the neck because
Speaker 2: he didn't foresee it. But there's no way he could
Speaker 2: have foreseen it. He just got unfairly blamed because I
Speaker 2: suspect that was a cloud a military cloudbuster, hop but
Speaker 2: on the whole I don't because because you've got an
Speaker 2: EFA and all all secondary energies have EFA behind it,
Speaker 2: or so that there's I suspect governments use more electrical
Speaker 2: methods of changing the ether because the natural kind of
Speaker 2: cloud busting methods are more they're more like acupuncture, whereas
Speaker 2: I think the weather modification using electrical fields is a
Speaker 2: bit more like sort of just bludgeoning the atmosphere with
Speaker 2: a club or or sort of making the sort of
Speaker 2: setting up microwave fields over a certain area and making
Speaker 2: the eth go crazy in that area and setting off
Speaker 2: negative effects. So I don't think they're interested in they're
Speaker 2: like healing, it's kind of almost therapeutic effects of using
Speaker 2: cloudbusters properly that they're more interested in just electrical effect
Speaker 2: of manipulating a suspect. If you throw a load of
Speaker 2: electricity at the etherha in a certain way, you can
Speaker 2: affect affect the how the etherer interacts with the weather.
Speaker 2: So I do think they use weather technology, but not
Speaker 2: I don't think they use cloudbust as much.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not true, but weird. I was, I
Speaker 3: was reading about something yesterday. I was I was looking
Speaker 3: into something I was going to cover with the RASH
Speaker 3: to do with you know, Sydney Gottlieb and stuff with
Speaker 3: m k Ultru, And I was going through like the
Speaker 3: CIA site to like look up things under Project Climax.
Speaker 3: I was trying to look for that project, and you know,
Speaker 3: tons of things come up and like it could have
Speaker 3: the word project or climax, and it regardless if it's
Speaker 3: the same thing and it will just show up. And
Speaker 3: I was reading something else that came that was in
Speaker 3: like that lump of things, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: this is interesting, but has nothing to fuck to do
Speaker 3: with the thing I'm covering. They were talking about how
Speaker 3: like something with this woodpecker noise that was like picked
Speaker 3: up up on the radio stations I think on like
Speaker 3: even Ham radios or whatever, like all over the world,
Speaker 3: and it was like the United States ended up finding
Speaker 3: out that it was like Russia, and like Russia was
Speaker 3: like trying to bounce wave like wave links up and
Speaker 3: down against something in the sky and bag like pinging, yes,
Speaker 3: like paying something, and they you know, but it was
Speaker 3: talking all the sciencehit I'm like, what the fuck are
Speaker 3: they pain? You know? But it was just like really
Speaker 3: weird and like I'm just wondering, like again, like are
Speaker 3: they pinging or bouncing? Who knows? Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just like now that reading that has been listening
Speaker 3: to you or maybe really just like what the hell
Speaker 3: was really going on? Like that's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they've done all sorts of like the
Speaker 2: Russians have known about sort of five G effects since
Speaker 2: since the nineteen fifties and earlier, like they were talking
Speaker 2: about microwave illness back in the fifties and that they
Speaker 2: they sometimes would beam what would be four G and
Speaker 2: five g now at the Russian at the American embassy,
Speaker 2: and the the the ambassadors would would get ill. And
Speaker 2: and so that they've they've been ahead in a lot
Speaker 2: of sort of the the interaction between electricity and the
Speaker 2: torsion field and or the orgone field. That that that
Speaker 2: they've been aware of that for decades, So that there
Speaker 2: might have been they might have been trying some kind
Speaker 2: of psychological effect by by creating certain frequencies bouncing up
Speaker 2: and down the stratosphere. There's that there's an interaction between
Speaker 2: electrical and and an orgone ether or that I've heard
Speaker 2: of that the wood would pecker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think they said it was like they
Speaker 3: did it like a to something amount of times, like
Speaker 3: you know, per whatever, so it actually sounded like a
Speaker 3: constant like just like coming up like this clicking knocking sound,
Speaker 3: and yeah, and yeah, really weird. I'll be totally honest
Speaker 3: with you, I you know, and I hate to say,
Speaker 3: like I do question sometimes like even this this q
Speaker 3: Andon crap I mean, they got people like praising Putin.
Speaker 3: It's like, yo, it's like, how do you know that
Speaker 3: country ain't like into some really serious, like deep occulted science,
Speaker 3: and we're just you know, praising them because you know,
Speaker 3: QAnon said, so you know, or you know him and
Speaker 3: Trump are going to save the world. It's like, how
Speaker 3: do you know, like what's really going on over there?
Speaker 3: What are they really testing? Like what I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes I wonder if we've got like two or
Speaker 2: three different world orders, that being for supremacy. The Russian
Speaker 2: sort of state can be quite foreign tarian that they
Speaker 2: they sort of had vaccine mandates at one point in
Speaker 2: certain parts of Russia and China. But people say, oh,
Speaker 2: China is just owned by the New World Order. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure about that. Surrounded by US bases and they're nationalists,
Speaker 2: they're not globalists. They're very authoritarian.
Speaker 3: But I've actually thought it's just like a like someone
Speaker 3: it's really us over there and pulling the strings. Were
Speaker 3: blaming them. Yeah, that's I think, like we're the puppet
Speaker 3: master of China, but we're blaming the puppet, not the
Speaker 3: fucking thing you're controlling.
Speaker 2: I suspect that China is playing along to get what
Speaker 2: it can, but because they they they believe in the
Speaker 2: kind of supremacy of the Chinese state and that they'll
Speaker 2: they'll do anything to have a strong national state. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're they're after. My guess is we got
Speaker 2: like a Satanic world order, a bricks world order, and
Speaker 2: perhaps a Christian fundamentalist Trumpian world order that that's behind
Speaker 2: some of the military so and I don't think China,
Speaker 2: and even within the Bricks, I don't China and Russia
Speaker 2: have different ways of doing things. The Russia's authoritarian but
Speaker 2: not as technocratic as as China. And it's it's difficult
Speaker 2: because that the perhaps if if the technocratic Chinese state
Speaker 2: was in a world that was not trying to destroy it,
Speaker 2: it might loosen up a bit. But the I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if the Satanists who have been behind or the
Speaker 2: dark order in the West and the Chinese state or
Speaker 2: are on board with each other. I think perhaps it's
Speaker 2: just because China is authoritarian and a technocracy, but it's
Speaker 2: been a They've been extremely nationalist for centuries in China,
Speaker 2: a huge sort of single state for millennia virtually, so
Speaker 2: I think we've got a few different world orders going on,
Speaker 2: and I suspect that the Russians do have some advanced technology.
Speaker 2: I mean even one time back in when I was
Speaker 2: doing the the the the MSc in orgon and acupuncture,
Speaker 2: I've got help from a research center in Kansas and
Speaker 2: there was a Russian physicist there at the time, and
Speaker 2: she she had this like wand device and it was
Speaker 2: like this white wand and she could just run it over,
Speaker 2: run it over your arm and all the acupuncture points
Speaker 2: would would sparkle with lightning between the wand and your arm.
Speaker 2: It didn't hurt, but it was really weird. You could
Speaker 2: see like lightning going from the wand to the acupuncture point.
Speaker 2: And I've heard that the Russians have technology where they
Speaker 2: can switch off electrical fields in an area, say like
Speaker 2: if a if a boat goes into somewhere where they
Speaker 2: don't want it to go, or that they can switch
Speaker 2: off all the electrical fields in there like UFOs can
Speaker 2: do and that that yeah, and that would be some
Speaker 2: type of or goone technology.
Speaker 3: U I wanted to real quick what type of I
Speaker 3: guess stuff is used for acupuncture.
Speaker 2: Needles generally steel needles, so it's acupuncture is door busting
Speaker 2: and or goone energizing in the same.
Speaker 3: So I was I was going to ask, does that
Speaker 3: metal happen to work with Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's the same process because if you put
Speaker 2: a steel needle in an acupuncture point, you can get
Speaker 2: silver and gold plated needles too. I've I don't think
Speaker 2: i've ever used them, but I've heard their silver is
Speaker 2: calming and gold is energizing. But generally it's it's steel
Speaker 2: medicals grade steel used for acupuncture points. But where when
Speaker 2: you put a needle in it, it's like a cloud
Speaker 2: buster in the body. So you're you're doing cloud busting
Speaker 2: energy cloud busting, and if you're drawing energy into the channel,
Speaker 2: you're all going accumulating, so it's the same energy are
Speaker 2: going and cheer the same thing.
Speaker 3: So if you're getting acupuncture, you're actually cloud busting yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're moving the dead energy trying to clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it also works. It's very clever acupuncture
Speaker 2: because it automatically changes between cloud busting and or going energizing.
Speaker 2: So it it's an intelligent system, so it can swap
Speaker 2: like say it say if you get headaches and you've
Speaker 2: got and you've got a red face and you're really
Speaker 2: overcharged and you think too much and you that. Then
Speaker 2: say if you maybe put acupuncture points here and here
Speaker 2: and here here, maybe a couple of year points, and
Speaker 2: that that would be cloud busting equivalent. But say if
Speaker 2: someone was really tired and stressed out and and use
Speaker 2: some points in the legs to boost their energy or
Speaker 2: on on their abdomen, that that would be like or
Speaker 2: going energizing and the body automatically or go from one
Speaker 2: to the other, or even do both at the same time.
Speaker 2: So it's really sophisticated, there's nothing. It's the most Chinese medicines,
Speaker 2: the most sophisticated.
Speaker 3: Imagine that'sgine. That's what all invoking and vanishing is in magic.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, well, it's what you do in meditation too,
Speaker 4: and yoga practice is the same thing for exercise in general.
Speaker 3: This this almost makes me even like we're just a description.
Speaker 3: Is even like that sounds fun is even almost like
Speaker 3: the hourglass. It's like you're almost like kind of taking
Speaker 3: something and then bringing it in and then like that's
Speaker 3: how funneling an energy into a fine point and then
Speaker 3: letting it out somewhere else. Yeah, it's really interesting. I
Speaker 3: think about an hour and forty minutes and now I
Speaker 3: think maybe we can wrap it up here. I'd actually
Speaker 3: probably like to have a discussions with you more in
Speaker 3: the future, maybe a little bit more specific on a
Speaker 3: few things. So I'm sure I would really like to
Speaker 3: talk to you again. This was an amazing episode. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is some wild stuff. Thank you, Leon. It was
Speaker 3: really happy, Like this was really amazing for me just
Speaker 3: to talk about and talk about some of the stuff
Speaker 3: I said and to hear the shit you had to say. Amazing,
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed No, hell, so did I so did? I? Uh?
Speaker 3: Do you want to let everybody know where they can
Speaker 3: find your stuff? Again? I know you have a bunch
Speaker 3: of links.
Speaker 2: I'm yeah that there's my blog which is Leonsouthgate dot
Speaker 2: blogspot dot com. And if you go back a couple
Speaker 2: of blog posts that I've got a page of links
Speaker 2: to the different places, and psychorgone dot com is her
Speaker 2: best place for my main articles and more academic stuff.
Speaker 2: So from those two points you can get onto my
Speaker 2: YouTube and other places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got all of your links in the bottom. Now,
Speaker 3: Like I said before, people want to find a way
Speaker 3: to reach out to them in his Twitter is in
Speaker 3: there in case there was any other podcast listening as well.
Speaker 3: There is a way to contact him. You can hit
Speaker 3: him up on Twitter. Thank you again so much, my man.
Speaker 3: There was just like truly like really amazing. It was
Speaker 3: some wild stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got some got some interesting like sort of
Speaker 2: angles that we veered off on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like it was. It was fun that you
Speaker 3: entertained some of my silly ideas.
Speaker 2: No, no, it was all pertinent.
Speaker 3: M That's what's up. That's that's what made it fun too.
Speaker 3: It was like, maybe I'm not that crazy. Maybe I
Speaker 3: knew about orgon the whole time, just didn't know what
Speaker 3: it was called.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I think so people have a natural affinity for for
Speaker 2: the way or going functions because it's like the base
Speaker 2: of the base of the universe.
Speaker 3: Really stuff, it's like the fabric of everything, right m hmm, Teresa,
Speaker 3: would you like to let everybody know where they could
Speaker 3: find sure?
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, thanks, Leon. That was really interesting. I
Speaker 4: have like a list of like three or four other questions,
Speaker 4: but it would take like another hour to probably answer
Speaker 4: all those.
Speaker 3: Well that's where we're gonna have them on again, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, so, thank you so much. Yeah, if people
Speaker 4: want to hear more from me, please come check out
Speaker 4: The Spiritual Gangsters on all major podcast platforms, YouTube, Rumble,
Speaker 4: and they can find me on Instagram and Twitter.
Speaker 3: Awesome. Uh real quick, Leon, have have you gone on
Speaker 3: in the Guardians? Have they hit you up?
Speaker 2: I haven't, I'll check, all right.
Speaker 3: Well, besides that, I I because I wasn't sure if
Speaker 3: you've been. If he's gotten in contact with you, he
Speaker 3: could have recorded with you. I have no idea, but
Speaker 3: I do want to at least give a shout out
Speaker 3: to people listening. Uh, definitely go check out The Honest Inquisition.
Speaker 3: He was on there as well. So if people want
Speaker 3: to hear more of Leon, go check him out on there.
Speaker 3: And I definitely plan on having a plan on having
Speaker 3: him on again. Maybe we'll make we'll make him a
Speaker 3: resident Mad Scientists on the Occult Rejects. Well there you go, man,
Speaker 3: Thanks you. I really truly had a blast. This is
Speaker 3: really enlightening as maybe me think about so much stuff,
Speaker 3: and like Teresa was saying, this is just gonna I'm
Speaker 3: sure bring you on other times with specific questions. Great work.
Speaker 3: I appreciate everything you brought to the table and your
Speaker 3: honesty about your work as well. And again, Teresa, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for coming on and co hosting and
Speaker 3: asking questions. Everybody in the chat, thank you. That is
Speaker 3: what's up. We had a bunch of people chiming in,
Speaker 3: asking questions, leaving their opinion. I loved it and I
Speaker 3: loved this topic, and thank you all for jumping in.
Speaker 3: That's why I do this and until the next one,
Speaker 3: everybody you will see ammering about