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Speaker 4: Well, hello and welcome. Thank you for getting your pot on,

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Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the

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word about the Pirates Ship. I don't know if we

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call it a comeback, but former.

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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump was re elected and will return to

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the White House as America's forty seventh president after defeating

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Vice President Kamala Harris, and he has JD. Vance, the

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junior Ohio senator who will serve as as vice president.

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Speaker 2: And I think that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if people know how to feel about this,

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what to think of this. I'm more of the mind

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that sometimes you control what you can control, don't lose

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sight of your values, and continue to move forward. And

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I thought a lot of that was even echoed in

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Common Harris's concession speech today.

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Speaker 2: But I thought it would be interesting to get.

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Speaker 1: Not just a political perspective, but also someone who is

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deeply invested in the Harris Walls campaign, and that would

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be doctor Bowers, who is a retired political science professor

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from Saint John Fisher University. He's also an author, He

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is also a podcaster. The man does it all. He

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just never stops Hello, Doctor Bowers, and he's in his

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gym clothes because, as he told me, he's got to

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keep himself young.

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Speaker 5: I do want your Your viewers can see this, but

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your listeners can't. I am perfectly matched to bilifies you are.

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Speaker 2: You do have the yellow or.

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Speaker 5: A sweatshirt, and while you can't see it, I am

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wearing pants, but I'm wearing black joggers. I match your

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logo colors.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 5: One of the mofied hoodies coming out.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been asked that quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: Actually there's I get emails every once in a while

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and I have to do that. I think in twenty

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twenty five we'll launch that.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I am going to correct one thing

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you said. I am not heavily invested in the Paris

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Walls campaign. What I'm heavily invested in is the values

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of our country, which Donald Trump and his mega supporters

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do not truly represent.

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Speaker 2: So that would be a very fair correction.

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Speaker 1: And I think that there was something as we get

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into this, because I think my first question to you

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would be, is this one of the biggest political comebacks ever?

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Don't forget we had an insurrection and people saying he'll

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never step foot in the Capitol ever again, and here

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we are where he's getting back into the White House.

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Speaker 5: Well, to actually put in an historical perspective, he's not

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the first to have done this. He might be the

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first felon who has done this and the only felon

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who has done this. But Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland served

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two non consecutive terms. One lost one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, one lost one.

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Speaker 5: It's historic in the sense that it's only happened once before.

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There's some historic aspects, none which are flattering. Like I said,

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a felon elected, a predator elected, a you know, a

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pathological liar elected. And the fact that the American public

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did it consciously speaks ill of the majority of the

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American public because they are his co conspirators. Here.

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Speaker 1: Well, we would say, boy, I have to say, doctor Bauers.

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They spoke loudly because it was I was kind of overwhelming.

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I didn't think that it would be as significant win

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as it was.

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Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. I thought it'd be closer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well so did I. I was optimized.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 5: I was preciously optimistic that hope would went out over

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fear and hatred. And it didn't. And you know, I

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have problems here because I can tolerate an awful one.

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I could tolerate when Donald Trump won in twenty sixteen.

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We didn't know what we were getting then, and Hillary

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Clinton was not an attractive Democrat and she was trying

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to break a pattern that doesn't happen very often in

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presidential elections. That's twelve years of the same party. I

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can even somewhat excuse some people who voted for him

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in twenty twenty. But to know everything that we know

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about him, to know what he is like, to know

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anything for the xenophobia, to the misogyny, to the the

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you know, to the sexism, to the transphobia, to the

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vileness of his need to take retribution, to his pathological lying.

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When the American public goes down that road, then that

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is also a statement on them. Yeah, and high behind

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issues like the economy right deep down. If you ignore

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everything else because you claim, oh my god, the price

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of milk is high, well fuck that milk prices will

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go down. You run the risk of the country going down.

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That's far more important than milk.

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Speaker 2: What do we see? I know, I hear you. I

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wonder with.

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Speaker 1: I did think Kamala Harris's concession speech where she said

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we all loyalty not to a president or a party,

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but to the constitution of the United States, was someone

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aimed at at President Trump himself, as that happens. But

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to the people that would say, well, I voted because

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of the economy or I voted because I don't know

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transit whatever, whatever the issues may be. My question is

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did the Democrats not have the right candidate in place?

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because if you think about it, it wasn't one that

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was sort of democratically elected or rallied around. It was

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someone who sort of fell into it. Now, could she

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be absolutely and is she qualified?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: However, I wonder if that could be part of it.

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Biden administration had done all of this, being the economy

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or whatever, and this is just a continuation of that

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with her. Would a different candidate have provided different results?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Well, one, they didn't really have much choice but to

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go there. I mean, in the ideal world, Joe Biden

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would not have deteriorated rapidly at the start of this

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year from the point of view, from the point when

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he gave the State of the Union to that dismal

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debate performance. But the problem is that there's a lot

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of thing that's going on that people just don't get.

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The economy is solid, unemployment is low, the the the

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the the inflation is down. That this this, this, This

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was I think at the core of trump victory. No

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matter how they hide behind issues, it's grievance politics against something.

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I'm an angry white man, I'm an I'm a angry

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white evangelical. I'm an you know that there's too much

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of that. I'm a displaced, third generation factory worker. A

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lot of it is grievance politics that demagogues are quite

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good at milking. Okay, so writer, wrong candidate, I'll say

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wrong in this regard. And this is one of the

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sad realities of this election, a parallel of twenty sixteen. Admittedly,

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Hillary Clinton had her issues, and like I said before,

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she's trying to win a third term for her party.

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But this election underscores something even uglier. And that's why

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I sound like I do right now. Is what Trump

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has legitimized and has made acceptable, and by voting for him,

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voters have legitimized him. And that is the misogyny, That

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is the sexism, that is the racism that lays behind

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the rejection of candidates like Kamala Harris. Twice now we've

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had women at the top of the ticket and wwis

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now they've lost. That is a sad sad commentary on

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what should be the model democracy and allegedly the most

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powerful country in the world. When you look around the

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world and see how many other modern democracies have elected women,

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the fact that we are so far behind is just shocking.

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Speaker 1: Well, is it possible that we just didn't have the

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would say to your point, the first the first one

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with Hillary, as you said, she wasn't like there were

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some stuff doc there were some stuff.

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Speaker 2: There and the ugliness that people saw.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, I said many times that I

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thought Kamala Harris didn't have the I don't know. I

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wish she had a little more Hillary leadership in her,

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guess the term would be presidential. You know, where she

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stood up and just took a real command of a

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crowd when she spoke. I think she was sometimes soft

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and not used to that command. Where Hillary, I mean,

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you you knew who was standing at the at the

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top there. And I'm just saying that in terms of

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let's talk the masses, right, I mean, look, look what

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happened here. We know where we are today, and really

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what I I don't know how you feel about that.

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Speaker 2: I just wondered if she wasn't strong.

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Speaker 5: When I said, I didn't mean interrupt you, but but

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I'm not accusing you of this what I'm about to say.

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If she would have been a man, soft spoken, aspiring,

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hope and so forth, would you be even raising the

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same question.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: There's oftentimes I'll see people that that's a fair question.

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There's oftentimes I'll see people and I can just see

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in the person on the I'm not sure that they're

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a leader.

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Speaker 2: Now, I haven't. I never felt that way. I did.

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I never felt that way about Kama. I think she

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can be a leader.

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Speaker 1: But when she was speaking and stuff, I was like, boy,

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there's something where it just sometimes you got people who

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just have that oomph and it seemed to be missing.

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Was I don't know what it was. I can't even

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articulate it accurately. Is that the reason why she doesn't

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have I don't think so. I think that a lot

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of it was, as you're saying, I think this is

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to put it in even more crass terms, A giant

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fuck you to the establishment.

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Speaker 5: Well, but you don't want the irony of that. It's

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the so called establishment that has provided everything from social

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security to college loan programs to infrastructure programs. You know,

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there'd be a lot of unemployed construction workers if it

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wasn't for government, whether it's state or local highway grants

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or national grant.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: You know, this idea of that, whereas I fuck you

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to the establishment, also shows an ignorance on the part

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of the American public that voted this way because they

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failed to realize how much of their life benefits from

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what government does. Right, Okay, everything from your police protection,

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to your national security, to your fire, to your schools,

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to your to the quality of the food that you eat.

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That's all government. That's all the establishment. Yes, that that

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the swamp that that Trump claims he wants to drain.

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You can't function in a modern society or a true

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civil society without an establishment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I that's very true.

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of people. That's what hirants do, That's what demagogues do,

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seek aspiration. He tried to point out the risks to

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our democracy. That's different, that is different, that's more hopeful.

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Speaker 1: Exactly where do But here's the thing is the way

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had really give it a too much thought, but right

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away you see where things went, and I just thought,

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where do we go from here? If you're not in

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line with this? Because their majority of the country, both

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popular vote and the electoral College vote, really wanted they

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voted Trump.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So by the way, what was the fine? What

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is the current percentage? I don't even know at this point.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, no, no, no, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: But my question would be to me, it would be okay,

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So let's roll up our sleeves and and figure it out,

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you know, and keep going forward and keep our ideals

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and keep our things. I heard even John Stewart, and

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but he said something to the effect of, you got

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to get anop for our kids, our families, our friends.

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Just be a good citizen and move forward. I know

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that doesn't seem to be the rhetoric that that came

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out of one side maybe over another, but that feels

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like the best way to move forward to me and

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to continue to push for your ideals. Now, I do

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know that the Senate went red, but I'm not sure

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where the House stands as of yet.

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Speaker 5: So look, here's part of the problem with that. Yes,

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and our individual lies, we can do that, but we

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also need our government to model behavior. If you want

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that kind of coming together, government has to model behavior.

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wanting to model behavior. Okay, they're going to want is Remember,

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this is a man who says I'm going to be

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tater on the first day, at least for day one.

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mass deepations. Now does that sounds like somebody who's going

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to who's trying to bring about the better in US?

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would expire us? Here's and here's again, here are the differences. Okay,

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first off, Donald Trump is the only individual I know

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who can make Richard Richard Nixon look like a normal,

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admirable politician. We okay, okay, here's the fundamental difference. I

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and now particularly this version of Trump at least pretended

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to believe in the rule of law, even if they

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were finding ways to break it. They at least mouthed

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the values. Okay. They knew that there were limits. Nixon

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knew there were some limits on what he could do. Nixon,

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when the courts told him to turn over the tapes,

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for example, turned over the tapes. Okay, Nixon knew how

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far he could go. George W. Bush knew what the

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rule of law meant. Mitt Romney knows what the rule

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of law meant. John McCain knew what the rule of

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law meant. Donald Trump does not know what the rule

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of law means. He knows what rule means. He doesn't

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know what the rule of law means. When a president

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was to my generals, that's what Hitler does, That's what

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Stalin does, That's what authoritarian do. Fidelity to the constitution,

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fidelity to law does not matter, and no matter and

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so on that level of loan. Sadly, that's a sad

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commentary also in the American public, that they don't understand

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the fundamental necessity of the rule of law. That you know,

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even forget that he's a misogynist's a pathological liar, and

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all those other things, it's also the fact it's the

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rejection of the rule of law.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised that for many that the insurrection

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wasn't a bigger issue.

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Speaker 5: Why it was a love fast.

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Speaker 2: I just look one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: I think my thing is like, Okay, so now it's happened,

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it's out of our control. There's really nothing we can

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do about what has happened. So what would you like

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to see doctor Boward's.

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Speaker 2: Let me rephrase that question.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, no, I heard the left, But what would

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you like to see as we move forward in terms

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of government and things. Let's say that the House does

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stay in democratic control. At least there'll be some checks

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and balances there and and who knows what would happen

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in two years when the Senate's up. But I asked

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that I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Look, and and you know, I've always been on your show, open,

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been open about my partisan thing, you know. But I

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want to say, but but even if even if the

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House stayed Republican, if it was traditional pure, ifs small

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town Republicans, the Bob Doles, that Jerry Ford type Republicanism,

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I would have confidence that there would be a check

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on Donald Trump. People forget the Republican Maine, the Republican Uh,

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the Republican party in the Congress. When Nixon ultimately resigned

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was because his own party was voting for impeachment. His

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own party was in the committeees of voting indictments. They

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understood the rule of law. They understood that you cannot

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trust the maga Republicans, including the Speaker, who come from

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Gerrymander districts where they have no contest and when they

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have joined the cult. So I wouldn't even mind if

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there was unified government. If those who are unifiers, those

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who in the unified government actually understood their responsibility and

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fidelity to the Constitution. They've given that up to fidelity

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to a man that's a poritarian. The only hope for

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these at least next two years, as far as it

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being any check on Donald Trump until maybe get too late,

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is for Hakim Jeffries to be Speaker of the House

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and the Democrats to have even a small majority where

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they can block the most and aiming things. However, that

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won't stop Trump. He has the executive power, he has

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a Supreme Court that gave him pretty much immunity, and

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so there's even going to be limits to what the Democrats,

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if they can control the House, can block and prevent. Okay, yeah,

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now your question, which I was getting ready to answer,

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what do I hope it happened? You know what, I

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want the country to go down the fucking drain these

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next two years, so the people who voted for Trump

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understands exactly what the fuck they did to a country

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that was a model, a constitution that has stood the

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test of time until Donald Trump. I hope they get

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every fucking thing they ask for.

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Speaker 2: Seeing here, I was because I want.

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Speaker 5: To come back and bite them in their own fucking as.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping in a way that it wouldn't.

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I thought, well, maybe the economy comes back a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to try to have silver lining doctor

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a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Tariffs on everything built in Mexico. Yeah, I thought that

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was really how much you renew car bill?

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Speaker 1: Well, see this is where I thought he was talking

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about doing that night. And I don't know if it

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would be possible or not, but I'm I'm but let's

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go and say it was. But that was a way

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to keep And boy, that really spoke to, as you said,

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the third generation factory worker, where the factory is being

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taken out of you know, my hometown and my family's

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worked there, and we're going to Mexico. And so to

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that guy, it's like finally somebody standing up and fighting

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for me. And I really felt like, yeah, no, no, no,

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go ahead.

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Speaker 5: It was And if they come back, we're going to

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be automated. Anyway. The best deal, to you a w

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got was under Joe Biden, a president who was willing

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to walk the picket line. First presser to walk a

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picket line. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's the it's

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the classy Jim Jones. Why don't they just all go

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down to some South American country and drink the fucking

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kool aid and end it all. Hm, that's what they bought.

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This is why I hope they get exactly what they deserve.

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Speaker 1: But then we all got it. Then we all get

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it though. That's the thing, and I don't want that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what if we look. I don't know. I

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was really hoping that with.

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Speaker 5: This democracy, they voted for him. I know they want

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to get what they asked for it.

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Speaker 2: I understand.

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Speaker 5: You're regretting calling me up the session.

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Speaker 2: No I'm not because I think.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm definitely not because I think that, uh, a

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lot of times words are spall.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's.

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Speaker 1: Enough thought on many things these days. And I think

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that we hear sound bites, and we move in a

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world that we have a world that moves faster by

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our communication, and our communication and our attention because of

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these types of things is shorter than it's ever been.

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And I think that people hear sound bites and things

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and they don't do the research or the thought provoking

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behind it.

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Speaker 2: And so part of.

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Speaker 1: The reason to have you on was to say how

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do we move forward and what would you like to

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see in terms of unified government. But also because I

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do know and you have never ever been shy about

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where you stand politically, I wanted to also say all

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these things, of all the cry and libs, Oh they're this,

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they're that. I wanted somebody to say factual things about

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the election that sometimes we're not able to see, because

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we get hit with so much in from so quickly

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that we're not digesting it and we're not thinking that,

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and we're not you know, not everybody is clearly a

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doctorate in political science.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, and in fairness to your listeners

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and viewers, they may question whether I'm spouting fact or not.

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I do like to present things in somewhat exaggerated manners

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to get the point across here. But the type of

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fact I'm talking about, Let's do a difference. Okay, Let's

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say this was Liz Cheney that had won the presidency.

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I would disagree on so many things that Liz Cheney

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would believe in. Yes, enter policies, yes, but I wouldn't

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I wouldn't believe that Liz Cheney and be convinced that

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Liz Cheney was a threat to the country. Liz Cheney

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is a patriot, a true patriot who understands the fidelity

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to the Constitution. What the Mega supporters don't understand, and

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maybe they don't want it in their grievance, in their

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drinking the kool aid. His fucking gold sneakers and commission

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watches and his Bible and his hats that are made

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in China all fact, by the way, Maybe they don't

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want fidelity. Maybe they want eighteen sixty four America again.

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Maybe they want McCarthyism again. Maybe they want Jim Crow again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think sometimes I think that other Yes, I

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hear you. I wonder if many people to feel like

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that stuff is sort of hyperbole that he would spout, right.

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I think he said we'll go after people who don't

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step in line more or less I'm paraphrasing there. I

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think he's threatened to so after media people he doesn't like,

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and you know, Jimmy Kimmels and others like that. Whether

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I but I always think that's like WWE wrestler talk,

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and I unfortunately dismiss it and don't really even count

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it as a real issue.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if most people do that as well.

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Speaker 5: Well. They shouldn't because here's one of the other impending

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dangers of Donald Trump returning to the presidency. And I'm

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obviously not original and spouting this view. When he won

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in twenty sixteen, Donald Trump was as surprised as anybody else.

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They did not expect to win. I am convinced of that.

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There was no game plan, there was no team in place,

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so he did find himself having to rely on more

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traditional republic Plicans in his first term, anything from how

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do you pay rants? Previous account the generals that he

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put in. Sure, there was a few looney tunes that

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he appointed into the cabinet, but many of the people

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were somewhat established or Republicans, or they were conservative, but

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not mega mega, Well, that ain't going to happen this

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time because what drives Trump. And even though his niece

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has her own axe to grind, her analysis of her uncle,

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the psychological analysis of her uncle's pretty sound. And I

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have at least an amateur background in psychology myself that

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underscores that this is a mentally disturbed, pathological, nar malignant

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narcissist who is going to surround himself by enablers. Okay,

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you're going to, I mean think about this. Do you

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really want to see Robert Kennedy Junior, whose father must

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be rolling over in his grave or going thank god

474
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they shot me, directing health policy? Do you really want

475
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,920
that person engaged with the CDC? Do you want the

476
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:42,720
illegal immigrant Elon Musk, who started his own career as

477
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:50,880
an illegal immigrant from who can't who? Who? Whose businesses

478
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,599
aren't as successful as he lets on really running government efficiency.

479
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Do you want that little that little poster child for

480
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:06,279
for or Nazism? His his immigration guy Stephen Miller, who

481
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,400
looks as psychotic as Donald Trump does. Really in a

482
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,400
serious position. Donald Trump is going to put nothing but

483
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:25,519
enablers around him. That means he's unchecked from within. A

484
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:32,920
good presidential staff checks the president from going against his

485
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:41,920
or her best interests and can block a president from

486
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:51,559
acting on their most evil, over zealous impulses. Trump will

487
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:56,119
not have that around him, and the Senate will pretty

488
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,240
much confirm whoever he wants.

489
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Speaker 1: So what what would you so the apocalyptic outcome right, Well,

490
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,599
let me rephrase that, because I thought Trump put a

491
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:13,839
put forth an apocalyptic America if he didn't get in right,

492
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:18,400
we're being overrun by our borders and then and uh

493
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,440
immigration and things, and there were there are pockets of this.

494
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,079
I don't think they were eating cats and dogs, but

495
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,799
we can I can understand, uh bob.

496
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,799
Speaker 5: But the squirrels, the squirrels were really threatened. That's another

497
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,279
crazy that's another I just made that one out.

498
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Speaker 1: No, I understand, but that's another crazy thing that's going on.

499
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:43,200
But the I guess when you say all that, boy

500
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:48,000
it it sounds very scary. There's no other way to

501
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:49,839
say that when you when you lay it out like that,

502
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,599
So these next four years are scary. I always kind

503
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:56,039
of felt like, how much does your life? And I

504
00:33:56,079 --> 00:34:00,319
and that's as a political science professor may make you

505
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,519
itch when I say this. I always wonder how much

506
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,079
does your life really change by who's in the White House.

507
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,679
Speaker 5: Actually that's a really good question.

508
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,079
Speaker 1: Okay, because okay, I might no, no, that that was

509
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,440
my thing. I thought, how much does it really change

510
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,679
in this time? Directly to you? I always feel like

511
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,039
one thing we don't pay enough attention to is our

512
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:29,800
local politics, which seem to have a more a greater

513
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,760
impact on your everyday life.

514
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Speaker 2: If that's accurate, well, I.

515
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Speaker 5: Don't know, generally speaking. Generally speaking, frankly, who's in albody

516
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:47,119
and who's in DC has marginal impact on our day

517
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:47,679
to day.

518
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Speaker 2: Life day to day.

519
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Speaker 5: Right now, even I'm going to say something's going to

520
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:54,880
sound totally contrary to how I've been ranting, and some

521
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,920
of your listeners and viewers will say he's ranting Bill

522
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:06,639
wire you you, but I rant well informed? Uh hey,

523
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,960
by the way, I'm this bad on our own podcast too.

524
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: No, I like I like this because I still think

525
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,159
that one of the things I've always wanted to do,

526
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,079
when I tried to do in radio and maybe less successfully,

527
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,519
was have intelligent discussion about things. And where there's often

528
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,239
this we need to have a discussion, Well, then let's

529
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,559
have It's it's it's great verbiage, but let's have it.

530
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,440
And that's what I feel like. This is at least

531
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,920
we're hearing from one side, right decide.

532
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 5: Let me let me get back to your question. Yes,

533
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,519
and this is where I was saying. It's going to

534
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:42,920
sound contrary to my rant. You know what, Donald Trump

535
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,199
can do very little to really fuck me over unless

536
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:51,760
they really start purging people right exactly, because you know what,

537
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,280
when I'm white, I'm moderately affluent. My income is driven

538
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,800
from my annuities and social Security, Okay, and what little

539
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,280
bit of outside income I have I don't ray by

540
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,239
the way, So you know what will my day to

541
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:17,679
day life be affected other than some emotional affect. Yeah, right,

542
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,880
but you want but that's not enough for me. And

543
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
this is why the people who claim they voted for

544
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,519
Trump because of the economy guilty and as bad as

545
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:33,400
he is well for whatever bogus, bullshit reason they really gave.

546
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,679
I worry about the people who aren't you and me. Yeah,

547
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,760
I worry about the immigrant. I worry about the woman

548
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,320
who may bleed out. I worry about the trans gen

549
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,639
the trans person who is now as open season on.

550
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,239
I worry about the possibility of my gay friends losing

551
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,400
the right to love and marry. I worry about those

552
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,360
who can be affected by the demagoguery, by the hate,

553
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:12,559
by the the the what Trump empowers in the most

554
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:19,239
ugly part of people. That's why I react the way

555
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,679
and to the point I told you this off air,

556
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,559
I'm going to say it on air. To the point

557
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,400
today I told my son, we adopted our son from Korea,

558
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,679
and he is over the years has run into his

559
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,760
own problems with prejudice and discrimination and racism, that he

560
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
should get his affairs in order over the next year

561
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:44,039
or two, particularly the next year, watch it, and that

562
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:50,039
he should seriously consider immigrating to Canada, and particularly the

563
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:54,199
eastern part of Canada that has a great deal of diversity.

564
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,679
I told him, do not go into Western Canada, Canada,

565
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,039
because there's it fucked up as the people in Wyoming,

566
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:05,039
in Montana and the other Maga people. But I was,

567
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,679
But but again I was. I even told him, I said, Dale,

568
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,119
I never thought I would tell you this. I never

569
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:13,719
thought I would have to tell you this. But I said,

570
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:20,199
my life won't be affected, yours could be. And you

571
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:27,559
need to think about expatriating to Canada.

572
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: Does that seem like an overstatement in a way or

573
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,440
you really you don't think so?

574
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 5: No?

575
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,679
Speaker 2: No, okay, Hey, like, I don't know.

576
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, doc, because I've only been in this skin, right,

577
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:47,199
I don't know. And I the idea of I always

578
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,320
hear people say walking on another man's shoes. I can't

579
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,320
it's impossible. I have no idea.

580
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 5: Let me give you an example. Yeah, when he was

581
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,800
working in a bank in Buffalo, New York, h he

582
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,239
had someone walk up to him totally in provokes saying

583
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,239
I hate all the fucking Chinese, right because he had

584
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,679
another one say, have a good day, mister Chang Chang,

585
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,239
like everybody who's Asian must be Chang, you know, And.

586
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: Then we walk out and we laugh and get in

587
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,079
the car. I mean that that that's sort of what

588
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,840
that persson feels.

589
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, whow for saying that, yeah, he hasn't been stopped

590
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,119
by Asian like being stopped while black. He hasn't been

591
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:34,840
no no, no no out of him by some police officer.

592
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,199
But I do not think in this environment that it's

593
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:40,880
an overstatement, okay.

594
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Speaker 2: That those things escalate.

595
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:48,039
Speaker 1: Look, I I have U certainly my minorities in my family, uh,

596
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,280
and I know that there's you know, concern over those

597
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,559
types of things. Or I mean, it's kind of hard

598
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:58,320
to say that the president didn't uphold, if nothing else,

599
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,480
white supremacists at one point in his administration where he

600
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,440
was not yeah, I mean you know, so I I

601
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,559
that that's not that's not that's you want to say that,

602
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,679
that's not fake news, that is that is that's true.

603
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,960
But I like to think in a way that can

604
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:23,280
we I wonder this Sometimes the pendulum swings so far

605
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,639
in one direction and then it starts to come back

606
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,719
into the other. And I'm not saying this so much politically,

607
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,880
but more into the idea of can't we just I

608
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,239
do believe on both sides many people and I saw

609
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,440
this a lot today on social media. Thankfully the political

610
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:44,679
ads are over. Thankfully I can stop here in the whatever.

611
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:50,960
But I do wonder will kindness come back into a

612
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,039
little bit, Will we be a little more tolerant? Will

613
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,000
people just sort of pause a little bit now as

614
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:01,639
you're saying, if the exact ample that the president puts forth,

615
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,280
you know, there are people and I don't know if

616
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,079
you'll agree with this or not, but I've heard people

617
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:11,360
say that lying became acceptable when Clinton said I did

618
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,960
not have sex with that woman. Now I go, I'm

619
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,039
not sure if that by that, but that it became

620
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:21,360
something that the president did, and it sort of trickles down.

621
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

622
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,199
Speaker 5: By the way, yes, ain't the same thing. A blow

623
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,239
job isn't the same thing as not believing in the

624
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,239
rule of law. Any married man, Clughton a spot like

625
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,079
that is going to, particularly if you have a wife

626
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:41,360
like Hillary, is going to lie through their teeth to

627
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,559
try to avoid reprecations. Again, I'm still trying to have

628
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:47,400
some humor here, Bill.

629
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: You no, I understand.

630
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 5: It's not the same thing Bill Clinton did not here,

631
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,400
I'll give you a different one. I don't even think

632
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,440
that George W. Bush lie about weapons of mass destruction

633
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,360
in Iraq. Bigger lie. Yeah, Okay, I believe he was

634
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:14,159
lied too, okay, But I actually think George W. Bush

635
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,280
is probably a very honorable man that just to watch

636
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,239
the relationship he has with the Obamas now suggests that

637
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,360
there is a a that he's different than the caricature

638
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,199
we had of him as president. I think George, I

639
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,280
think w was was fooled, possibly by Dick Cheney and

640
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,119
some other of the neocons and others around him. And

641
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,679
I think he came to believe there are weapons of

642
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,719
mass destruction. But I don't think he I don't think

643
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:54,880
he lied about it intentionally. Trump is incapable of telling

644
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:56,039
the truth.

645
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: Exactly.

646
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he is not. Oh okay. He can

647
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,719
claim today, oh I won that's the truth. Fine, But

648
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:13,840
when it comes to the larger points, no, and and

649
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,960
it's the it's the whole combination of of He's not

650
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,320
going to model good behavior. He's not capable of it.

651
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,000
He can read a teleprompter and then forget it thirty

652
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,559
seconds later. Now I'm going to go in another direction.

653
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:33,599
If we, you know, talk about Biden's decline, people hang

654
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:37,000
on to your seats because you're going to see such

655
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:42,639
a rapid cognitive decline in in Donald Trump between now

656
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,639
possibly when he's sworn in or within his first year,

657
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:50,039
that we will be in another constitutional crisis, and that

658
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:55,039
is whether to actually invoke, seriously invoke for the first time,

659
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,840
the twenty fifth Amendment.

660
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

661
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:02,639
Speaker 1: Sorry, think that has never happened new No, I know

662
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,400
it's been bandied the bell, but I don't.

663
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

664
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Speaker 1: Are those who feel like there's been some cognitive decline already?

665
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Speaker 2: Uh you know?

666
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:18,039
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know. I'm

667
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:21,320
clinging to this thing of it sounds so silly and

668
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,480
may be desperate that everything is always working out and

669
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:28,920
it's gonna work out and it's gonna be okay. And

670
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,599
I hope that that's the truth. But you can't you know,

671
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:35,559
you can't put a you can't put a happy sticker

672
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:36,480
over your gas gage.

673
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:39,199
Speaker 2: We need to see where we are and what we're.

674
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 5: Dealing with, right, that's all under three a gallon for

675
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:45,119
gas today?

676
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Okay, first time in the now.

677
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,079
Speaker 5: Admittedly it was three dollars and my ten cents off

678
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,000
of BJ's, but still three dollars are a gallon of gas?

679
00:44:55,039 --> 00:45:00,880
Not that bad? No, Uh? But but you know, Bill,

680
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:08,639
how don't I say this, I contrary to how your

681
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:10,840
listeners might be hearing it and your viewers by saying it,

682
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,440
I am not by nature like this.

683
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,159
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no, I know you're not.

684
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,159
Speaker 1: I I be passionate, though you're allowed to be passionate.

685
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: Look, people are passionate on both sides.

686
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt, but I feel like sometimes one

687
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,639
of the things that has happened, and I think it

688
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,800
happened before President Trump, is.

689
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Speaker 2: That, uh.

690
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,079
Speaker 1: I feel like this is one of these things where

691
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:42,760
people you're not wrong, you're dead fucking wrong, and so

692
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,599
therefore I can't even have a conversation we.

693
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:51,199
Speaker 5: Are. Okay, a couple of things. First, Like I said,

694
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:52,719
I'm gonna go back to what I was about to say.

695
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,719
I have lived through a number of political assassinations. I

696
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,280
have lived through Watergate, I have lived through Vietnam. I've

697
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,599
lived through Iran Contra. I lived through Ronald Reagan's early Alzheimer's.

698
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,039
I have lived through you know, these are the bullshitting

699
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:21,679
peachments of Bill Clinton, whether w you know, I have

700
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:31,159
never ever raised this level of concern in the outcome

701
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:35,840
of a presidential election, because every one of those individuals

702
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,679
who have met, everyone who has been president up to

703
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,800
Donald Trump, they all had personality issues. You don't become

704
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:53,159
president without some. But they weren't pathological. They weren't malignant.

705
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,679
Lyndon Johnson, on his worth days may have lied about

706
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:01,480
the Gulf of Tonkin, but the only thing Lyndon Johnson

707
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:07,679
really wanted to do was out FDR. FDR. His personality

708
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,320
drove him through his insecurities to try to be more

709
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,360
like FDR. He wanted to be out of Kennedy's shadow.

710
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:21,440
He wanted to be loved for himself. You know what,

711
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:23,559
he did a lot of good things with that messed

712
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:29,159
up personality. Frankly, Richard Nixon did a lot of good

713
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:30,480
things with his messed.

714
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: Up person very very smart man, Richard.

715
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,199
Speaker 6: Dixon, Donald But they all still believed even though they

716
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:41,800
had power, they all believed in doing something right for

717
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,880
the country, not just right for themselves.

718
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,519
Speaker 5: They weren't pathological. Okay, now to your second point about

719
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:55,239
having discussions with people who disagree with you, I can

720
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,519
still do that, but you know what, I have to admit,

721
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,239
I'm increasingly drawing a line. I think people have to

722
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:07,039
defend why they voted for Donald Trump, why they're willing

723
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:12,559
to accept all that we know that's wrong with this man.

724
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:18,639
All that we know, and I cannot stay friends with

725
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:26,000
somebody who embraces hatred. I can't have a discussion with

726
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:36,079
somebody who denies their implicit biases and their fears. Those

727
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:45,320
people don't necessarily deserve to be talked to. What's the point. See,

728
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,960
you're asking for our traditional what you're asking for a

729
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,079
traditional differences between.

730
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,199
Speaker 2: Yes, mega.

731
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,599
Speaker 5: Isn't that it's not conservative.

732
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: I just think that most people looked at this and

733
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,280
when okay, is it's not that bad? Yeah, he's got

734
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,800
these things, but it's not that bad. We'll get a

735
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,880
better economy, and you know, maybe he can cut the

736
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,599
deficit by two trillion dollars, as he said in some

737
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,719
speech somewhere, and those things would be good. I'm hoping

738
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,679
to a certain point that the other stuff is kept

739
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,920
in check. Maybe, but I don't know, and I think

740
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,920
I don't know at this time. I'm going with the

741
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,920
glass half full, not half empty. And maybe that's ignorant.

742
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,559
Speaker 5: That could be a God love you for doing it.

743
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: I think in the South they say, bless your heart,

744
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:50,199
I mean, your idiot, but i's hard or you know,

745
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,320
with all of new respects. Yeah, I know, And I

746
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,280
think that most people but I I feel like that's

747
00:49:56,519 --> 00:50:00,000
where I'm at today, and maybe that's to just go forward, because,

748
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:03,239
as we said, at least for us to your point,

749
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,480
at least for us as the president really isn't going

750
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,039
to impact my day to day life too much.

751
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:12,079
Speaker 2: Whoever said yes.

752
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,199
Speaker 5: And again and again, I'm not gonna you know, I'm

753
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,039
not gonna slip my wrists over this. You know I'm

754
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:22,199
not going to become suicidal over this. I have made

755
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:27,039
some conscious decisions. For example, I have I've taken Google

756
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,480
News off my phone. I've taken all my media stuff

757
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:34,280
off my phone. I'm avoiding the news. I don't want

758
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,159
to hear it. I don't want to hear about him.

759
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:42,280
I need that for a while. I I am thankful

760
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,320
that Huntery what he thinks he's entitled to. He can't

761
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,880
run for a third term. He has no power institution.

762
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,400
You can't do that, even though he might think he does.

763
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:59,280
But I don't know. But I also worry about what

764
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,960
happens in the world world. You know what, just Ukraine, goodbye,

765
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,679
Ukraine's gonna have. Ukraine's being handed to the Soviet Union.

766
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: Why do you say that because I.

767
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,159
Speaker 5: Withdraw American support from Ukraine, and that is crucial. The

768
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,320
Europeans can't do it all alone.

769
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,679
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who feel like you know,

770
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,920
and I do think this is a popular line of thought,

771
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:36,800
that why are we supporting a war in Ukraine when

772
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,599
we have so many problems domestically In that ninety million

773
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:41,639
dollars or whatever it was sent or I don't know

774
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:46,760
the number, forgive me, why wasn't he used domestically to improve.

775
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: Home?

776
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: And I think that having talked to somebody who did

777
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,360
a documentary on Ukraine, that this war started boy a

778
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,639
couple of years ago when they went into the small

779
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,039
countries that used to be part of the USSR that

780
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:06,280
don't have the means to stand up to them, and

781
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,199
took over and then slowly when they came down, And

782
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,440
that there is propaganda within Russia.

783
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: And I don't know how accurate this is or not.

784
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, but I've been told by somebody

785
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,039
who was in Russia that there is propaganda that he

786
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,880
wanted to go and take over all the way as

787
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,320
far as he could to France or whatever. I don't know,

788
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,960
and so you go ahead.

789
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,679
Speaker 5: I'm not an international expert, but I do think that

790
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,840
the shift gears. I think Putin wants the old Soviet

791
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:45,440
Union back. Yeah he does, and and but but again.

792
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:50,320
I guess my main point is is is again. I

793
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,719
know I sound like I'm quoting kind of liberal catechism,

794
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:58,920
But you got to worry about a president who admires dictators.

795
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:04,239
You know, how about admiring Churchill? How about admiring Willie

796
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,320
Brown I think that was his name for the chance

797
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,599
the one of the chancellors of Germany. Why not, you know,

798
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,960
why not admire real leaders who who were strong but

799
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:21,480
yet protected their country and the world. Why not? Why

800
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:28,360
not embrace Rose Franklin Roosevelt, or hell even Ronald Reagan.

801
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:31,519
Speaker 6: You know.

802
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 5: It's but but but but again, but but again what

803
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,199
you're saying. And in my own life it'll go on.

804
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:44,280
But I I can't help, but I can't hope. I

805
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:51,880
can't help, but hope to a degree that the people

806
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,920
who voted for Trump out of their own self interest

807
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,400
and let me give them fair, Oh okay, you didn't

808
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,440
consider the consequences. You considered only yourself. And as a

809
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,559
member of a civil society, part of our social contract

810
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,960
is to care for the other. We are not autonomous

811
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000
beings in a civil society.

812
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: Well, I was.

813
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: Always told to look out for number one when I

814
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:21,519
was a kid.

815
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 5: That's called capitalism.

816
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,119
Speaker 2: I thought, look out for number one.

817
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: And the other was I think we've become a rather

818
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:31,239
narcissistic society myself.

819
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,679
Speaker 5: Well, and you know what, again, I don't want to go.

820
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,960
It's too many. Healthy narcissism is good. We all need

821
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:46,400
healthy narcissism. Healthy narcissism is what gives us the interest

822
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,039
in doing things, the interest in pushing ourselves, the interest.

823
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:55,079
You know. Healthy narcissism is something that actually our parents

824
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,679
nurture in us, whether they realize it or not, when

825
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:03,760
we're children, by affirming what we do. It's when that

826
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,800
affirmation doesn't occur that you end up with the malignant

827
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:14,639
type of narcissism of a Donald Trump. Okay, narcissism in

828
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:19,639
and of itself is not a bad thing, Okay, it's

829
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,960
it's it's certain types of narcissism. Oh yeah, and and

830
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,960
and no, no, and and again. You know, uh, read

831
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,239
my book. You'll find this out.

832
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I look, you wouldn't.

833
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: You can call anything that's self driven narcissism, yes, I mean,

834
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,760
you know, to you going to work and spending your

835
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,480
money is part of moving the economy right, so that

836
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:48,519
but there's self interest in that.

837
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,519
Speaker 5: But what But but what I'm trying to get at too.

838
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,559
And here's one of the break here, here's why we're

839
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:55,679
gonna have troubles get achieving. Hereon let me watch me

840
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:57,599
get serious and what And they have the listener of

841
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,079
your go what the fuck? He can't sound you know

842
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:03,639
less than crazy. The one of the reason we're going

843
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:06,119
to have such a difficulty achieving what you would like

844
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,440
is because too many people have forgotten or never internalized

845
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,320
the social obligation we have to one in social reasons

846
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,760
one another. Because we live in the type of system

847
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,800
in which we live, one that is grounded on a

848
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,480
type of liberty that requires a type of reciprocity. You

849
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:34,880
live your life, I live mine. We use government, so

850
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,159
you can't harm me, I can't harm you. But then

851
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:44,320
government isn't to harm us either. We gather what we need,

852
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:47,960
but it's against the laws of nature to gather more

853
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:54,880
than we need. You know, we don't learn these things anymore.

854
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,480
We don't internalize these things anymore. We have forgotten that

855
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:05,159
we have have an obligation and a responsibility That's partly

856
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:11,039
why I'm willing to dismiss certain people now, because I

857
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:15,960
actually do believe they're probably beyond hope, that that core

858
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:23,199
maga person is never going to want to do anything

859
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:25,920
but grievance is never going to want to accept their

860
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,400
social responsibility, not to others just like them or who

861
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:36,559
look like them, but to everyone within our society, women, gays,

862
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:41,679
trans evangelicals, conservatives, liberals, whatever.

863
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

864
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 5: Our culture is broken down. Our common culture has broken down.

865
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,199
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way because

866
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,920
I know people who were certainly, and I think obviously

867
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:05,599
there were many that filled the dot in. I would

868
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,079
say pull the lever, but I don't think we do

869
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,079
that anymore. Fill the dot in for Trump, and I

870
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:12,440
think a lot of it was I wouldn't break bread

871
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,360
with this man. But and they're looking at that one issue,

872
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:20,480
and I feel like, you know, it's almost a la carte.

873
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,960
And that's where I don't know if the Democrats put

874
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:25,639
up the right part. I don't know. I don't know

875
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:29,480
what the story is, but I to my thing is

876
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,840
it's over and this is what we have. How do

877
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,440
we make the best of that? And I don't.

878
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:37,119
Speaker 5: I would argue it's not over. It is just begun.

879
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: See I like the way I think so much better.

880
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,159
It's such happy I got. You know, I'm liking it's

881
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,119
the small.

882
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: World ride, Doc. You're bringing me down.

883
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 5: Part of my part of my role in life is

884
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,800
to tear people's dreams of the hopes down.

885
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,679
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

886
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 5: No, I was showing them how they're wrong.

887
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: Well, I can understand that, and that that's part of

888
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,440
the thing. Is like I needed. I. I hesitated at

889
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,920
first because I thought, I'm not sure how this will

890
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,119
go over, but I go, boy, I'm interested to hear.

891
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,760
I'm interested to hear why.

892
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,639
Speaker 5: You and by the way, you were listeners might as

893
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:20,079
well well know this too, and full of your listeners viewers.

894
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,280
I was really hesitant to do this show.

895
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,039
Speaker 2: I know you were.

896
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,679
Speaker 1: I know you were, and I appreciate you doing it,

897
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:27,079
and I knew that you were.

898
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 5: You were bothered Bill for you, for you, I was

899
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,679
spawned Satan's love job.

900
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: No, you wouldn't, and I don't want to know you wouldn't.

901
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,800
Please tell say that, well, Doctor Ballards. I think that

902
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,880
a lot has been said, and I'm sure that there

903
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,559
are some people that are rolling their eyes or getting

904
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:51,239
you know, sitting behind their keyboards whatever. That's fine, But

905
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:56,039
I think that having some insight as to uh, you know,

906
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:58,480
if you were a supporter, how is the other side

907
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,039
and how do we move forward? And I think a

908
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:03,039
lot has been said there and I'm not sure. I'm

909
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:05,639
not sure that we have come to that conclusion. I

910
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:06,280
don't think we have.

911
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 5: But may I end with this, snow Bill. Yes, I

912
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,119
hope I'm wrong.

913
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand, I understand, Yes I do. Yeah, I

914
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,119
hope you are too. I hope you are too. And

915
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,480
and you know there is a piece of me is

916
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:33,039
that you know, uh whatever you whatever reason a person

917
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:37,639
voted for Trump, I hope they hold that and hold

918
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:41,440
them accountable to that as as best you can, as

919
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,719
best you can, that would.

920
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:44,519
Speaker 2: Be my wish. But I don't know.

921
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 5: You have the last word.

922
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:49,599
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just going to say it was a pleasure

923
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:53,000
seeing you in your workout clothes that matched the Bilified logo.

924
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:54,639
I think that's wonderful.

925
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,039
Speaker 5: And maybe next time it'll say Bilified on it.

926
01:00:58,159 --> 01:00:59,559
Speaker 2: I think we have to get you one of those,

927
01:00:59,599 --> 01:00:59,920
for sure.

928
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,519
Speaker 1: And I do appreciate your time, and I know that

929
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,840
this was not something that you were exceptionally excited to do.

930
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,280
But I do appreciate you doing it, and I like

931
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,320
the getting inside the mind.

932
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,599
Speaker 5: A bit, and you always make a fun bill, so well,

933
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:15,599
thank you. I'm always happy to do it for you.

934
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you, doctor Bowers. Have a nice

935
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:23,440
night YouTube. Bye bye. There he goes doctor Bowers. Interesting.

936
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,719
Speaker 1: And I know that there are people that I'm getting

937
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,559
all kinds of there's this is like control center here

938
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,519
where I sit. I have, you know, feeds where I

939
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:33,360
can see chats.

940
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm gay.

941
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: I have my phone that's been blowing up with text

942
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:41,119
and calls. I have just been watching all this, and

943
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:44,239
I know that there are people that are upset and angry.

944
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,599
But try if if the idea is a discussion, if

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that's the idea, if we say, if we could just

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come together, and I for people on both sides of

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the I'll say that then we need to know why

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somebody's so vehemently that way, and that at least we

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have a starting point. Would that be fair to say?

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I believe it is. And I will leave you with this,

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John Stewart, last night I thought had kind of a.

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Speaker 7: Fair Here's what we know is that we don't really

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know anything, and that we're going to come out of

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this election and we're going to make all kinds of

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pronouncements about what this country is and what this world is.

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And the truth is, we're not really going to know shit,

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and we're going to make it seem like this is

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the finality of our civilization and this and thing. We're

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all going to have to wake up tomorrow morning and

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work like hell to move the world to the place

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that we prefer it to be. And I just want

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to point out, just as a matter of perspective, that

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the lessons that our pundits take away from these results,

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that they will pronounce with certainty, will be wrong. And

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we have to remember that if you're in two thousand

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and eight, when Barack Obama.

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Speaker 8: Won, there's no question that this is the beginning the

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first election of the future, really, and I think we

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are moving towards a post racial America.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that lasted a day, and then, of course, in

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twenty twelve, Obama won again, and the lesson was.

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Speaker 5: The GOP needs to send a powerful signal to Hispanic

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voters that the party respects them.

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Speaker 7: That that was the lesson they learned after that victory.

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Speaker 2: And there was certain of it.

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Speaker 7: And send a powerful signal to the Hispanic community the

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GOP did.

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Speaker 1: When Mexico sends his people, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime,

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their rapists.

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Speaker 7: Which apparently was the winning message, and that taught Democrats

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in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 5: What maybe what the Democrats we'll be looking for is

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somebody with some inside experience. But who's a generation younger.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously going to be younger. It's going to be

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from a new generation.

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Speaker 7: Need I say it to the.

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Speaker 3: Great honor and humility, I accept this nomination.

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Speaker 7: That turned out to be a winning message again which

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led to an insurrection.

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Speaker 5: And the lesson from.

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Speaker 7: That was when Donald Trump leaves office on Wednesday morning,

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he will leave Washington a pariah.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump will never be allowed to set foot in

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the Capitol again, never.

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Speaker 2: Ever. My point is this, but this is in the end.

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Speaker 7: I promise you, this is not the end. And we

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have to regroup and we have to continue to fight

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and continue to work day in and day out to

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create the better society for our children, for this world,

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for this country that we know is possible.

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Speaker 2: It's possible.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I want to want to add to that.

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One last thing that Stuart said. I feel like that's

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what we should be doing already.

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Speaker 2: Every day.

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Speaker 1: We should try to be banking it a better society

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every single day. And I think that this stuff gets

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a little inflamed. I think that that things are inflamed

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right now. I think they're inflamed on both sides. I

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think the ignorance is on both sides at times, and

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we need to just kind of step back and take

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those last words and make it a better society for all.

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And on that note, wrap it up for doctor Bauers

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for the three hundred and sixty five comments that I

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haven't gone through yet. It's on all the different platforms.

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I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I'm Bill Moran. I'll see you tomorrow. I hold you

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didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm turning a TV.

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