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Speaker 4: Right, we're gonna take a break, come back, and it's
gonna be the Victors around name. All right, folks, we've
been promising it for a while. Amazing year in the
Tier Dynasty for FHL, and we've got some champs here.
Speaker 3: We got a lot of hardware.
Speaker 4: We got a lot of guys who guys and potentially
gals who did great things in this season. Victor, I
will let you go around and do the introductions and
get us going into this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks everyone for joining us and for listening. We
got hopefully it will be some really interesting discussion. We
got the champs from a bunch of different divisions and
the tidy the Tier Dynasty are league that we've created
and there are there's one league in Tier four, two
in Tier three, two in Tier two, and then one
in Lord Stanley up at the top, so we have
a few different divisions represented. A couple of people couldn't
make it and that's unfortunate, but we will have a
lot of good insights. And there is also a special
connotation here of a omni track, which is the person
who gets the absolute most points in the whole league,
that person actually also won their division. So the promotion
to Lord Stanley goes to the next person, and that
person was Mutant Monsters who couldn't make it today, unfortunately,
but it would be interesting to hear some of that perspective. Anyways,
all that to say, we're gonna hear some really great insights.
Hopefully you'll get great fantasy advice even if you aren't
in the league, but hopefully this encourages you to to join.
We're going to start off by just saying hi to everyone,
and then we'll hopefully get some discussion points. So let's
start with who's here. We have Mason, who was our
Lord Stanley Champ. You want to say Hi, Mason, Mason Black,
our rank king.
Speaker 7: Hello, everybody, how's it going today?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then we have from our Lemieux Division i A
or Iowa Canuck Kevin Gillis. How you doing, Kevin?
Speaker 6: Thanks for the invite, Happy to join you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then over in Yager Sasha Legarde, who was
a one time guest on the show. I believe back
in the day.
Speaker 8: I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was there for the Central Europe prospecting video
with you and Jesse and excited to be back. Talk
about something else that's the hockey.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, yeah, for sure. And then or we had
mister Puddle JP, who unfortunately couldn't make it. That was
mostly my fault. When I was orienting everybody and figuring
out who to invite, I totally missed him, So I apologize.
He had something at this time anyway, so he might
not have been able to come, but that's unfortunate. And
then we also have one of our one of our
Tidy Commission team members. We have Simone how you doing,
Simone Good?
Speaker 9: Victor happy to participate and contribute to another episode about
the Tidy Nice.
Speaker 3: And then lastly, but not leastly, we're going to start
down in Tier four Lidstrum and Scott Ator. Scott Hilton
is our and was a pretty dominant year took the
one seed. We talked a little bit about him on
a previous episode, helping to push his chips all the
way in and I said to you at the time, Scott,
you better win, and you did so. Congratulations. Tell us
a little bit about your season, how did it go,
and maybe anything that worked or didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt out of my league, especially in this
room here with you guys, because I've only been doing
Dynasty Hockey for a year plus a couple months now,
and so this was only my second Dynasty league, and
so I came into it knowing it's a free league,
but it ended up being my favorite league to compete in.
But just wanted to have fun, get in, meet the
other guys and I don't know if there are any
gals in the division in Lidstrom, and just find out
where everybody was from and start there. And that actually
ended up helping me as the year went on, just
having some rapport and relationship with people already. But yeah,
I think overall there's strategy strategies changed throughout the season,
and wanted to decide early if I was going to
go all in or not. But i'd heard the advice
from maybe this episode last year of just not ending
in the middle, and so I was looking for that
going into the draft and everything. And I don't know
if you want me to talk more about my draft strategy,
but can get to that later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, let's hear about that. So, yeah, you're
new to Dynasty. I remember you're a little hesitant. Encourage you,
thinking that it would help your other leagues and help
your understanding of fantasy dynasty in general, and I think
it's great to hear that you ended up enjoying it
so much and became one of your sort of primary
But yeah, tell us your strategy at the draft and
what you were thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be in the new and Argula draft for
this division. I had that idea of out running a bear.
What's the best way to get away from a bear
is to outrun the guys next to you. And in
the draft, luckily I had the ash Chin on one
side of me and then a couple guys on the
other side that were auto drafting, and so that actually
helped me as it went on. And because I could
count on Ashchin making a bad pick every time around,
and I know everybody loves to dunk on him. He
picked a really good team and stole some of my guys.
But but I was in the middle of the draft
and at ninth pick, and what I did before the season,
I heard people say, do the draft geek, the Dauber
draft geek thing, so I could put in the settings
of the league, get the scoring, and it would at
least give me a baseline for what to expect, because
not having I've only been a hockey fan since the
Kraken came into existence, So I don't have a long
history of hockey knowledge and knowing who everybody is, so
that gave me a good baseline, and I think that
helped separate me a little bit in the draft from
other people. Where it was. It probably didn't include the
Fenwick score, but it's not a huge influence one woul
Way or the other. But definitely the defense showed up
big there. So I think Dollen I wanted to die
on Dolleen Hill, and so I got him with the
ninth pick, but he was third or fourth in the projections,
so I think he probably didn't end up that high,
but it was pretty a pretty good chance. So with
my first pick, I didn't even have to make a
decision yet of if I was going all in or
building for the future. And then Robertson came around the
next time, and so I got Robertson. And then it
wasn't until like round five or so, and I made
a decision to pick Trocheck, and who's one of those
people that nobody seems to want but is a really
good fantasy asset, just his consistency and everything. So at
that point, once I got him. I was like, Okay,
I'm going all in and that kind of changed the
rest of the draft. And at that point I had
probably the two guys that helped me win anyways, was
war Enski and Hellibuck. That kind of just I wonder
how many teams probably here even had Hellibuck on their
team or Wrenski were probably a lot, and so yeah,
that just changed the draft for the rest and I
started going older, more established, more predictable. But other teams
were letting those guys slide. He went in the eighth round,
I think, and I ended up trading for him later,
but that wasn't on my team. But that was really
my draft strategy. And I thought after the draft, I
thought I had just this amazing team, but it didn't
start out that well. During the season, I was needing
to make moves to catch up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, And you touched on a little bit
of what I think we all saw from the distance
that the Lititum Division it seemed like a lot of fun.
You're rasing the aschen there and you guys, all of
you were just having such a good time just giving
it to each other back and forth, and just seemed
like a real rowdy fund division. And for those of
you that don't know, that's Simon's brother, So that is
that not right, Simon? Yeah, So that was the Stimulan
would often also jump in and just continue to dunk
on everybody, and so it was a good time there,
back and forth. So it was just a real lively,
fun division and everyone just seemed like they were having
a really good time, which is the whole point.
Speaker 6: Scott.
Speaker 4: I noticed you talk about Donan Hill. Of course you
and I have been proud code denizens of the top
of Donald Hill, but Dollan Ovie and Sidney Crosby, all
of whom run your team, were top twenty performers in
the six weeks of our playoffs. So that was definitely
something that worked out, and not only established guys, but
guys who were just red hot at the end of
the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost they weren't. I almost lost the semi
final because I built the end of my season to
win the semi final, because I knew I'd get top
one or two seeds and so I would get a
buye in the first round. So I made trades to
really build towards that week, and that two week span
were Rinsky and Dollying and Hella Buck and a bunch
of my best guys did not have good weeks, especially
the first week of that two week period, and so
I almost died on that hill. But that was for you,
Jesse was the Dolling hill.
Speaker 3: That's great stuff. And as we mentioned, you were the
one seed when when one wire to wire, we're going
to shift now to the next division when I come
back to you, Scott, but tier three, Yager. So Sasha,
you were actually the three seed, which is definitely a
bit harder. You don't have one of those first round byes.
You have to win pretty high up there, so you
get to quote unquote pay play it the worst of
the first round matchups. But that's not necessarily always easy.
And you so you squeak by in round one, you
increase your lead a little bit in round two, and
then you blew the doors off in the final. So
that was a great way to end. But why don't
you tell us a little bit about your season coming
in and how it worked out for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this year, with the dispersal draft versus the first
year where we were drafting from scratch in the new league,
it gave a different perspective because we got the list
a little early and we can dive in and see
who was available. I had the first overall pick, so
I knew I was going McDavid or Murcarr. I was
moving back and forth, knowing in the Tidy that defensemen
are super valuable. That's the only reason I was bouncing
those two names. But I ended up taking McDavid. I'm
always happy to take McDavid. Two years in a row,
I've gotten him. So once you get McDavid, you're having
to push your chips in quite early already, depending on
how the rest of the draft the next two or
three rounds unfold. So I ended up with McDavid, took Yosi,
second him in, Crosby Wiger, and then Alex Tuck in
some names after that. So once I built that core,
there was, you know, in my mind, okay, I got
to win in the next two to three years, and
we talked. I gave that kind of insight for your
Tidy Trade Talks episode as well. We talked about that.
So that was my plan going in, and the way
that I've approached to Tidy the last couple of years
is just trying to get a certain standard or quality
of player to overwhelm other teams by just getting guys
that had get you three to four points. You can
stream guys in like that and just overwhelm and build
your points up as you go along. It's a big
reason why I had the most points scored this year.
I think the strategy works well. But the only thing
that can derail that or injuries and that kind of
dealt with that in the playoffs, not having McDavid or
Yosi on my team. So that's why the first two
rounds a lot closer, with the other teams maximizing their
games played just as much as I was, So that
was why that became more of dogfight, especially against Josh
klima whole shout out. We talk every day. He's in
one of my home pools as well, and I was
down probably fifty to seventy points within the first week
or so in that two week matchup and was able
to come back and catch up thanks to the likes
of OV and Crosby and those guys. Yes, the strategy
worked out. What I will say is if you are
building for a contender this year or next year, I
try to push away the rookies and the prospects until
later on the draft and really try to hone in
on those guys that might be in the lineup towards
the end of the year. To Ryan Leonard or if
you're going to pick a guy, make sure that he
can be flexed into your lineup, kind of like a Coronado.
But this year where he got eighty games, eighty two
games of him being minor eligible, or at least a
majority of those eighty two games minor eligible. Yeah, that's
it worked out well for me. But being the third seed,
like you said, I didn't get that buy which I
got last year, and that extra week really does add
a lot of anxiety as a manager for sure.
Speaker 3: For sure, And I wanted to circle back to that
because I think those guys like Cornado that you mentioned,
that's something that I try to prioritize. And it's not
just the guys that are ready now. But you have
the time out because you don't want their minors eligibility
to run out when you really need them. So you
don't want someone to January February Ishrirary and all of
a sudden you have a roster spot that you have
to lock in. So the timing on that is really important.
Speaker 5: Right, absolutely, and it's something that at a certain point
is going to run out. Like you said, right, there's
only a certain amount of games that they can be
minor eligible, so they're doing some math and trying to
figure out where and what time of the year they're
going to be only NHL roster eligible and not minor eligible.
I had about three or four guys that were flexing
throughout the year, so I had Forster, Bobby McMahon, guys
like Coronado that I can move up and down. Shamus
Casey at the beginning of the year when he was
playing with the Devils. Was nice to have him for
a little bit when he was really kicking off, especially
over in Europe when you had that crazy couple of games.
But yeah, it's part of the strategy of trying to
find those guys, and you can trade for them if
you want. But really the way that I like to
use the trade pieces, like the prospects like Berkeley Catton,
is if I'm going for it this year or the
next year, I'm most likely going to be trading those guys,
especially when they're eighteen and they're two or three years away. Anyway,
that's a big reason why I got Ovi when the
Caten and ob trade straight up. So while you're trying
to time all that, you also should reflect on whether
this guy's even in a play for your team. If
you're able to move up a tier, trade them, get
your guy, and hope for the best. And that's why
it worked out for me this year.
Speaker 1: Sasha, can I ask a question about that strategy. Do
you focus on one position to have those flex guys?
I didn't remember the names you said, but or do.
Speaker 8: You like defense?
Speaker 1: That's what I did. I focused on having defense guys
that I could flex. But do you do that or
just whoever?
Speaker 5: Good question?
Speaker 4: This year?
Speaker 5: I think there was. Since it was a dispersal draft,
it really dependent who was there, so so I prioritized.
I had to choose between Leonard and the Frank Nazar.
That was one of my picks, and I picked Leonard.
Even though in Nasar played more games, Leonard still was
there at the end of the year. And I like
to prioritize d as much as I can because I
find defensemen are just harder to find on the wire.
They're more valuable and tidy. You have six spots, which
is a lot for defensemen, and when your roster has
three centermen, three left wing, three right wing, and six
d so if you can get defensemen that you can
flex in and out, I think that's much more valuable
than center only as an example, But there's other guys
that are going to be doing looking for those exact
same players. So what I would say is I would
jump on an elite offensive defenceman if you can to flex,
and if not, just take the best quality prospect that
can play the most games for you that year, or
at least in your calculations.
Speaker 3: Love it. That's great stuff and we'll probably come back
to some more questions in a little bit, Sasha, but
that's a great overview. I want to move now to
Kevin and Lemieux Iowa Cannuck, who we mentioned how hard
it was Sasha from the three seat and Kevin, as
we mentioned in the previous episode, did it from the
sixth seed. Can't if you're not in this league. I
can't stress to you how difficult that is to have
the more challenging matchup from basically all the way through
is essentially what you did, and so just an incredible run.
There must have been guys peaking at all at the
right time. It just seems like all the right all
the right buns needed to be pushed. I imagine you're in
the locker room there just giving it to you guys,
just really motivating them. But now, tell us a little
bit about it, about your your team, your season and
how it ended up working out so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it was all the coaching along
the way. But yeah, as these guys that have talked
about right coming into the dispersal, this was my first
year in Lemieux. I had moved up from or the
previous year, and the dispersal draft, it is trying to
establish what is your strategy going in. Like the quality
of players in our dispersal was really quite good, and
that's one thing maybe a little concerning move it up
in levels, like we no longer have the top teams leaving,
so dispersal is going to be players from the lower team.
We had McDavid, McKinnon, mccarr, we're all in the dispersal draft,
so everybody came out of those with those first two picks.
I got McKinnon and then that same kind of forced
into the decision, Okay, do I go for the older
veterans who can deliver more, and my second pick I did.
I went with Pinerin so I'm like, okay, I'm going
to try and win now, and that kind of right
from the second pick, you're trying to establish, hopefully guys
that are going to be stronger and focus on delivering
this year. So I had pretty good season. Did end
up in six. We were ten and five. There were
actually three teams four through six were tied at ten
and five, and so going into the playoffs, it was
those last couple of weeks certainly really trying to prime
that roster and so, okay, how do I try to
move up just a little bit. But all the teams
that I was tide with, we all finished the season
on a couple win streaks, so weren't able to move up,
and it was interesting just going in, Okay, don't have
the chance to look too far ahead. I have to
pick up players to win this first week or first series.
And that was one of the things that when I
look back that the end of the season, the players
that came on and off the roster. When I look
at my playoff roster, I had be a suitor and
Dante Fabro both in the finals were two of my
top scoring players.
Speaker 6: They had been.
Speaker 2: On my roster to start the playoffs, and I had
actually dropped them to maximize and make sure that I
won those early weeks, and a couple of days later
went back and got them back on my roster, which
turned out to be really the difference having those guys,
like you said, just hit peak at just the right time.
Really focusing on the getting those games played, making sure
you have a roster. I don't focus too much on positions.
Two of my top three picks at forward in the
dispersal ord center only, which was a little bit concerning
at that point, But for the most part, you try
and get some of those dual position guys and the
daily This is the first league I've played in that
had the daily roster setup. I've always played weekly before,
and that complication is so much fun to maneuver your
roster through, but also just the variables are massive and
how you can change that configuration through the season. I
tried not to focus too much on that and just
rely on those dual position players to fill in here
and there and hopefully fill in the gaps in between there.
But I did have a quite a bit of roster
churn throughout the year, tried to keep that active. One
of the other real wins for me was Alexi protests
off of waivers, so able to pick him up in
on November first. So this looks like there might be
something here. That turned out pretty well for me. So
it was, yeah, a lot of different things really just
coming together. Like you said, players that peaked at the
right time. Between Suitor Fabro. The trade deadline helped me
out as well because I had drafted both Bathurston and
Cousins that hadn't looked great for a long time, and
then post trade deadline when they're on that line in
Autawa to really start delivering at the right time of
the year for me, really came around and worked out.
Just there's so many different things, and I think I joined.
Like I said two years ago, Victory had reached out
on email and I said, I don't know. I just
started a new job. I got a lot of stuff
going on. I'm not sure I have time for something
this intense. And it turns out I was right. I
probably didn't have time. But it's so much fun that
you make the time you get up in the morning,
you get what happened and how what waivers went through
and in the playoffs and leading into the playoffs. This year,
it was definitely taking the time figured out rosters, looking ahead. Okay,
everything set, how do I who do I take advantage
of it? With the condensed schedule. That's the other thing too.
The schedule this year was so condensed that I knew
I was going to hit the game as max limit, Like, Okay,
i might not be able to use this player, but
I've got the moves to make. Do I take them
and just try to keep them away from Timmy who
was I was playing, and just say, hey, maybe he
could use him, and I just want to keep him
off of there and maybe sabotage his chances to improve
his roster. So that was the other thing, just trying
to look ahead there.
Speaker 9: Jesse, correct me if I'm wrong. You are in Lemieux.
Speaker 4: You talk about those all those teams he was tied
with for for that three way tie, and yep, I
was one of them. I was one step ahead. I
was one spot ahead of Kevin. I thought it was
all going to happen for me, but no, Kevin crushed
all our hopes and dreams. We didn't play head to
head in the playoffs, but man, you made an amazing
run up there.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Thanks, not a Washington Capitals fan, and there is
an Alexei pro Tooss just floating around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how that happened. Simon. Yeah, but
he's nice enough to put him back in the pool.
But I don't know how I'm going to get him
because I'm not in the dispersal draft.
Speaker 9: So he's gone now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably not coming back. So I wonder, Kevin,
if you ended up being able to or did you
make any moves to plan You might not have had
time because I think you were struggling to get in,
But did you look at ahead? And sometimes we plan
on maybe, like Scott said, one round, you're focusing on
semi finals or something. But I'm not sure that you
really had the ability to do that. Did you try
to beef up your playoff roster schedule at all?
Speaker 2: I did at the end of the season, So with
a couple periods left in the season or a couple
of games left in the season, I was looking ahead
at playoffs because I was confident I was going to
make the playoffs. I just didn't know where that seating
would fit. A couple of weeks ahead of playoffs. I
was looking ahead and said, okay, do they have if
I picked them up?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 2: Do they also have a good potential to deliver value
in the playoffs? So I was trying to look ahead,
not the finals, but that really that first week. And
then in that first week, because I had already done that,
I think I was able to look ahead just a
little bit and say, okay again now that I'm going
to use my seventy five games in the first round,
so now I can start using those ads and start
looking ahead one always playing that one matchup ahead.
Speaker 6: So I was trying to as much as I could. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, And it looks like the first round matchup,
even though you were six versus three, you ended up
crushing your opponents. So I wonder towards the end of
that matchup you were able to refocus on the next one.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Because I would say going into the second week
felt pretty good. I was like, ok, I have to
just make sure I use those games, and as long
as my team maintains the pace we're on, I should
be pretty good. So I wasn't maximizing for that second
week in the first round, I was looking ahead and saying, okay,
I get that second round to hopefully allow me to
keep on moving through.
Speaker 3: That's such a huge advantage, even in redrafting stuff, whether
you win or lose, being able to look forward to
the next week and make some of those moves to
look ahead. Obviously, in the playoffs you have to win,
and that's kind of the benefit of the two week
if you have a big enough leet, which in the
Semis you also ended up winning by about eighty points.
You probably didn't have a full week, but you probably
had at least a few days towards the end where
you probably felt pretty good and you could make a
couple of moves, and that can make all the difference
sometimes because if you wait until the very last day,
or if you have to because it's so close, then
your options are limited. Usually by that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to I have a tendency to
use a lot of my ads early, so maybe I
just you're looking ahead and you're trying to grab people
that are going to help later in the week, even
if I can't use them, and never knowing whether or
not the other team you're going to be playing is
also going to try and grab those folks. So by
the final I had used up all of my free
agent dollars, so I was like, everything's zero dollar bids.
At this point, I was trying to at least make
be a day or two ahead of somebody else, thinking
they're going to go grab them. So you're forced me
into have them to look ahead a little bit.
Speaker 3: Awesome, great stuff. Let's shift over to Lord Stanley, and
I know Simone prepped a little bit here. Both he
and I are in Lord Stanley, so we got to
witness some of this, but it was basically from the
bottom as a tiny ant being stepped on by the
rank king himself just so far ahead of all of us.
It was basically the Jack and Mason show. And Jack
got the best of you last year, Mason, and it
was close, and then this year there was a little
bit of retooling. We talked a little bit about it
in our previous episode, but you were able to go
wire to wire and really take that division down. I'm
going to turn it over to you, Simone, if you
want to bring our ranking in here and ask them
how it went.
Speaker 9: Mount Everest, the Iron Throne, Mount Olympus, the Coliseum. These
are just stepping stones to what finally amounts to the
greatest tiered dynasty Fantasy Hockey League division in the world. Nay,
in the universe Lord Stanley illegue, emotions run high, weakness
is exploited, and at the end, the crown of Lord
Stanley Champions placed upon the winner, and that's Mason Black.
Speaker 8: Mason, Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 7: When you're talking and leading up like that, it's not
hard to think that Jack first pops into my head
and what a juggernaut that he's built. It was a
pretty impressive battle from start to finish. Interestingly enough, the
first matchup, and I'm not sure if this was intentional
or not, was against Jack. So it was a rematch
in week one, and if everyone can remember back, I
think there were a couple games over in Chechia with
Buffalo and New Jersey, so we're both trying to stream
as many guys in because I don't think any team
was able to hit the max number of games played
in that first matchup because it went over the course
of two weeks.
Speaker 8: I was able to.
Speaker 7: Pull one out, and I think if it was going
one more day, I think Jack would have pulled out
that victory, and looking back, I think I started the
season actually two and three, so I was behind the
eight ball and starting to question some of my decisions
and a couple of sleepless nights, maybe even, and then
things started to turn around and some of the guys
that I thought were underperforming started to find their gear
and eventually pretty much ran the table the rest of
the way, which was nice to.
Speaker 9: See your hot wind streak after your cold start. And
this is you can't write. This is a Hollywood book
to book end to end story. You start, you face Jack,
you spank him, You end the year, and you spank him.
And right around that, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 8: I was just going to say that.
Speaker 7: Rewinding back to last year, Jack had my number, we
both earned a bye into the playoffs, and of course
saw each other in the final and it was not
even close. He just absolutely annihilated my team and anytime
I'd have a good night, he'd have a better night.
And that matchup was quickly over almost before it began,
So it was nice to get a little bit of
revenge on him. And I'm just looking at the rest
of the pool and the new gms that are coming in,
and it's just going to get even harder this year,
I think, and I'm not sure someone might want to
correct me on this, but I think all of the
teams that were promoted to the top division Lord Stanley
last year ended up not getting relegated and finished the
season and they'll be back, so it will be interesting
to see the new dynamic with the new managers coming
up and filling in those spots for the teams that
were relegated. In fact, I think Tomtron as everybody knows
from the Discord Server, he ended up winning the relegation
round and earned macl and Celabrini and ran the table.
Most of the year he was in first place, so
he went from fighting it out just to stay alive
to continuing to dominate for the better part of the
year and then started to leak a little bit towards
the end.
Speaker 8: I'm sure injuries were played a big part in that,
and then got knocked out in the playoffs.
Speaker 9: He did buy me. Well, we're all talking about me here.
You were three, you were three or four and three,
and your team, like you said, you were a little
bit wondering where you were headed, and then you.
Speaker 6: Made a big trade.
Speaker 9: You traded Arvits, Autoblam, Yakoub Slave and Maddy beIN yeers
for Matt Soguard, Thomas Shurtle and Nick Jensen. And after
that hot streak, are you telling us that the key
to victory is getting Thomas Shurtle to be able to
run the table.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was certainly a big part of it.
Speaker 7: He started delay it up shortly after that trade, but
unfortunately got injured, so I didn't see him for the
better part of the playoffs, including not a single game
in the final, which was a bit disappointing, and he
was one of the hottest guys in the NHL up
to that point.
Speaker 8: Yeah, for that trade.
Speaker 7: It actually started out that I realized I just had
too many goalies, which I know is probably too.
Speaker 10: Many people in the league have, but I'm a firm
believer that you really need to.
Speaker 8: Especially in this league, build from the back end.
Speaker 10: I think I had at that time seven goalies on
my roster and can realize that I wasn't getting the
maximum number of games played for forwards and as all
the goalie goalies don't count towards that max number of games.
Speaker 3: So I'm wondering if you guys have any thoughts or
something that you really like about this league, or maybe
something that really helped you and generalizable to other dynasty leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me, one of the things that
attracted me to it is the depth of this dynasty league.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 2: I played a different dynasty league, but the rosters are
so short that you can always go out and find
good players, and that's not really the case. You might
get lucky every once in a while and catch somebody
before they get hot for the season, but you're not
going to go get superstar players. You've got twenty person
minors systems that take up most of the up and
coming players coming into the league, and you're trying to
maximize those as where you can get points if you're
going forward this season. So that depth, to me, was
forced me to look a lot deeper in the last
couple of years being playing in TIDY, And then you
take that and have a much better view of the
players that are coming in other leagues, and you've been
looking at somebody for two years before you're even considering
them in another league, just because you're forced to look
a little deeper into it. And that depth. Goalies is
another good example. As Mace was talking about they're so
hard to find in tidy like everybody's owned. I actually
rostered Capel Cacadid for a couple different times, thinking if
it gets hot, maybe I can get a couple of games.
Speaker 6: Out of them.
Speaker 2: I'd watched them and for the Iowa Wild win HL
Goalie of the Year years ago. Maybe he'll figure it
out again. But it was it's just so hard, whereas
my other leagues goalie next week, I can go find one.
So it's just a different approach, and it's it forces
you to dig a little deeper and you learn a
lot about prospects and deeper players in the lineup.
Speaker 6: So thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 5: If I can just piggyback off that a little bit.
Just something I learned in Lindstrom and moving up to
Yoger is keeping one of your spots on your roster
for spec ads, whether that's an NHL player or using
one of your minor minor league eligible spots to move
them up. But guys that I was able to add
and hold and see how they would do that ended
up staying on my team, where guys like Ryan Donado,
Jaden Schwartz, Cam Fowler post the trade to Saint Louis
the Ton DiAngelo, Scott Wedgwood late which he started a
bunch of games. James Reimer started a bunch of games
at the end of the year. Like you can pick
up guys, hold them for a week and a half,
two weeks, see how their role develops, and then make
a decision later on. I think that's really good in
terms of having a deep roster and a deep bench.
That doesn't hurt you, especially when it comes to goalies.
If the goalie goes on the wire, try to grab them,
hold on, see what happens. And if there's an injury
to the starter and you're holding that backup thing, that's
valin gold right there.
Speaker 1: Now from a new manager perspective, if people are considering
joining the league, which I highly encourage, is there's so many,
like you said, Victor's so many good smart managers that
are in these leagues. They know a lot about hockey,
they play in a bunch of leagues in most cases,
and so just learning the specific rules of a tiered
dynasty league, like I don't think there's a ton of
tiered dynasty leagues out there, and so forming your team
into that and finding value with how you can go
all in, or knowing if you are in which part
of the playoffs you're in, what pick you're going to get.
Knowing the things like Fenwick being part of the scoring,
the incredibly punitive takeaways being or giveaways being part of
the scoring, and everything those things ended up being important,
and I didn't realize that early on. But I think
if you can find those little pieces that are different
the defensive scoring, if you're in an inaugural draft next year,
knowing that is important and not everybody in the league
is gonna know that and be going for that, And
so those are the things to look for. Is what
are you going to know that's more than the person
next to you and keep out running that bear.
Speaker 3: I love the bear analogy. I also I love that too, Sasha,
what you said, I think sometimes that's really hard to
marry right, the two things, like if you're trying to
be competitive but also give guys time to see if
they're going to do something like sometimes finding that balance
is challenging. I often found the same with goalies. You're
not because every getting extra starts isn't necessarily going to
be helpful. If it's someone who's going to maybe give
you a really low points per game or a negative
that may not be worth it. But for goalies that's rare,
and goalies are hard to find. So I would agree
in terms of goalies, like just throw them on your roster,
see what happens, and maybe you can trade him or
you can get value. But with skaters, how are you
patient to see if someone will contribute while also trying
to be competitive. That seems like it's a bit challenging.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll give you an example. So I don't know.
A month and a half in, I found out my
roster was getting packed, sitting a lot of guys that
I want to play, and it just wasn't working out.
I lost two of the first three weeks, so I
was trying to work my way back up. So I
ended up trading Robert Samuelson and Pastusville for Georgiev and
Dreue and Koivunen. So what that did for me was
it opened up roster spots right. I was able to
drop the goalie down into the goalie category, which doesn't
count towards games played. Drewan was an IR eligible player
at the time on IR and Koivunen was a minor eligible,
so really gave me an extra roster spot or two,
which then allowed me to pick up players and hold
them a little bit longer than I would have done beforehand.
So you can always try and get those trades done
as well. Plus Georgia at the time was on the Avalanche,
not on the Sharks. Drouet ended up having a good
end of the season. It helped me win. So those
trades are good for the short term and they have
long term potential as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so being judicious being smart about it. Certainly, trading
for guys who you can stash an ir and then
maybe can contribute later is a really great plan.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was necessarily a great strategy
on my part if I got a little bit lucky too.
I had both Edmonton goalies, so being able to ensure
that I'm going to get every goalie win with not
that Skinner was probably worth where I drafted him. But
because I had both Skinner and the card in this league,
that was huge to maximize those spots. And my backup
goalie on the roster is somebody I know I can
play whenever he gets a game, so that turned out
to be very helpful through the course of the season.
Speaker 4: That's something I noticed with you too, Kevin is for
the playoffs, you lost Protash, you lost Skinner, and if
you would have lost Skinner and been without the other
Edmonton goalie, you would have been in a rough shape.
So that was Yeah, I'm pretty savvy playing in retrospect.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and he was.
Speaker 2: I believe I got both of them in dispersed obviously,
Skinner and Dispersal, and I think the card as well.
So I don't know if the previous owner had done
the same or if they were coming off two different teams.
When you get far enough down to the dispersal, you
like in terms of adding value this season, the card
potentially has the biggest insurance and capability because of in
a weekly league, they wouldn't have had a value unless
you add an injury here. Every time they rest Skinner,
I get the points that the card, which you're expecting
the Oilers to get a lot of wins along the way.
I figured that was a pretty safe bet there, and
my I got. Other than Skinner's lad injury, you get
pretty good health out of Hill and the Cord. They
had injuries along the way. I've played enough games that
between that three headed rotation. My goalie spots were fairly
well populated with guys who are going to get points,
so that was big for me this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm someone who famously dislikes having tandems, especially
when your roster spots are limited, and if you have
other options, if you can stream all those things, I
would just rather have the guy. But in this league,
I think it's a little unique, and this is why
it's always important to know the settings. You're not going
to find another goalie like a skinner goes down, You're
not going to be able to go get picker like
he's going to be rostered, so you have to hold it.
And because there's no skater or flex spot, you really
are limited on who you can get in. And so
I think we've all realized that, and this is how
I set the league up in the first place, is
that having extra goalies is very valuable, and especially ones
like Edmonton is one of those teams that tends to
play more off nights and the average team, and so
you can often get an extra starter or two in
throughout the season, which which is helpful because if you
just have extra goalies that kind of mostly just play
on the busy nights, you might not be able to
get quite as many in, but that is something that
I definitely look for as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it had the Oilers just had to trade for
a new goalie at the trade dayline, that would have
been bad ears for me.
Speaker 6: But it's like just kind of worked out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as we're recording this right now, it's not going
super well in the playoffs for their goalies, so we'll
see how that works out for them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Soon let's switch back to oh, did you have something
else Covin?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was going to say it might not
help them in their playoffs, but it certainly helped in mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's all we really care about.
Speaker 7: I think there's a sweet spot about five or six
goalies on your roster, and they don't even have to
be good. Like Kevin I was running the card. I
picked them up last year as a free agent when
Jack Campbell, who I had also used a higher draft
slot on on the original draft, and Lord Stanley when
he got sent down, quickly used up most of my
fab to get Picard as just some insurance for him,
and that's worked out now since then ended up trading
him and then the trade that I was talking about
previously was built around Arvid Soderblown and he had recently graduated.
So I put too many goalies on my roster, and
I wasn't really happy with not maximizing my games played.
I tried to shed him and ended up with other
moving parts, of course, but Thomas Hurtle was a big
piece that came over and was really helpful over the
course of the year.
Speaker 9: Unmaximizing game played is what you've done best, even looking
at it, Mason, out of the top twenty five skaters,
you only have two. In the top twenty five, you
have Yesper Bratt and Dollin, and out of the top
seventy five after that you only have another eight. Out
of the top one hundred, you only have ten gators.
But what you do have is you have the most
games played out of all the managers and your efficiency
rate on it because you have as the highest fan
points per game in addition to that, So it's not
like you're you got this big gluttony of high end
forwards and that's all you're winning. But you're just maximizing everything.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think a big part of that is really
utilizing the five free agent pickups that were allowed each week.
I pretty much max out those on almost any given week.
And I'd advise any new managers that are coming into
the league that out of the twenty nine roster players
that you have on your main roster, not including prospects,
have probably your last two or three roster spots to
be utilized for free agent pickups or from your miners
and your farm team, and being able to flex those
guys up and down. I'm pretty good about churning the
bottom of my roster, so trying to find guys that
are in a good situation for a week or two
and not being too desperate about holding on to them afterwards,
and if they get into a worse position, I dropped
them almost immediately. Some of those free agent pickups actually
ended up becoming holds over the course of the year,
and that's happened in every year that I've played in
the Tidy so far. Some of the big hits that
I got, I was able to grab Cam Fowler and
he was reasonably dropped. He wasn't doing very well in Anaheim.
They've gotten they have a glutt ney of great defensive prospects.
Jackson McCombs Elwager, just to name a couple of them,
and it was clear that Fowler was on the way out,
and quickly after I picked him up, I think he
ended up going on the r and then that saved
a roster spot for me, and then he got traded
to Saint Louis and the rest is history.
Speaker 9: There.
Speaker 7: He's been lighting it up since then, especially in the playoffs.
I think he had a five point night last night,
and really there's nobody on Saint Louis that I think
is going to push him out of that spot. I
don't see Periko, who knows what's going to happen with
Tory Krue coming back, and Justin Falk seems to be
a bit of a shadow of his former self. He
doesn't seem like the same player he was even a
couple of years ago. A guy like Fowler, who I
was not expecting to hold, ended up becoming a pretty
important player in the playoffs. And I think if you
can hit on those types of guys, and I think
if you look at most of the teams that ended
up near the top of the standings, there would be
a huge correlation between the number of roster pickups and
free agent pickups they're making over the course of the
year and to what their standings. Their final standings ranking was,
and I know just in the final both Jack and
I were hitting on some free agents that you normally
wouldn't think would be successful guys in the playoffs. One
for me was Marcus Johansson. I think he had a
four point night and a short handed goal in one
night and that can make or break the difference in
a really tight matchup.
Speaker 1: For a counter argument of course for that just just
and I think it may play differently in the different
divisions or this could be like a first world problem
where you have a really strong roster. But I found
that the weak side because there's when you come up
against the games played. Max making those ads and drops
during the week like that often like confused me a
little bit and how I would get to my top
games played and I would end up playing some guys
for extra games played but get fewer points because I
played lesser players that were just streamers. And when you
have a strong roster, this is easier to do. But
not really playing the numbers game until the playoffs potentially
and then putting the dropping some of those lower guys
because you could be. I think Dasasha's point earlier about
about holding onto some of those guys that may hit
or may play better later if you drop them. At
least in I experienced like when I would drop them
then see them do well. Maybe that's like the confirmation bias,
but I felt holding on to basically my roster making
improvements through trades throughout the season, I may put more
stars on my team, and then I didn't have to
drop good players to stream in to get games played,
because I would say about half of the weeks throughout
the season, you're coming up against that max on games played,
And so that was something that I didn't do. I've
done in other leagues before, and I know it can work,
but I wonder if it works different between the different
divisions because this was the inaugural draft division. I had
a real strong team, and it sounds like Mason for you,
you are like fighting for every point in some of
those weeks against to try to beat out Jack Zi
or whoever. But I don't know if that's valid, But
I just I think there's another route, and if more
people take this route and listen to me, then it
helps you in your streaming as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think like anything in fantasy hockey, you always
want to find a context of where you are with
respect to the rest of the league, and that's going
to be much different for someone that may be in
the middle of the pack, and the trades that you're
trying to make if you're trying to avoid relegation is
going to look a lot different as well. For me,
I had the luxury of when I started, when my
team started to pull it together and I was going
on a streak, suddenly it looked like getting a buy
was within reason, where in the first half of the
season I didn't think that was possible, and that really
started to tailor the way that I was making moves
free agent pickups and the small number of trades that
I really made in the Lord Stanley Division. For me,
I'm not focusing on getting your top of the end
line up players. I'm focused on really solidifying the bottom.
I think that could probably go for any team. If
you can solidify your roster players from out of the
twenty nine roster players anywhere from like twenty five to
twenty nine, If you can up the level of those
guys that can make the biggest bang for your buck
in terms of what you're willing to give up over
the course of the season.
Speaker 6: Of course.
Speaker 9: Oh, go ahead, No, I was just going to say,
speaking of course of the season. Next season, you're going
to be facing a familiar face, Mason Donna mystics. Can
I tell us a little bit about the relationship with her?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Donna is my mother. So I guess I
owe all of my fantasy expertise, or lack thereof, to
my mom.
Speaker 9: My dad.
Speaker 7: I could never convince him to come into the league,
but he actually just won our long standing it's been
going for about twenty five years, so he's got some
skin in the game there as well. My brother plays,
my brother in law plays, so this is a family affair.
And I think I mentioned last year during the show
that Thanksgiving and Christmas time is a little it intriguing
around the Black household because there's a lot of fighting
for potatoes and the trade offers are flying fast and furious.
So I'm not sure how old I was when I
first learned my parents are both horse thieves, but especially
in fantasy hockey, and I think those in the top
division are going to quickly learn not to underestimate Donna
as she vies for just avoiding relegation and tries to
vie for one of those top spots. It's actually interesting.
When she first got promoted after winning the division last year,
the only piece of advice that I gave her was
don't try to win in your first year when getting promoted,
because you're picking, obviously from the top teams and the
dispersal that happens with the bottom team. So try to
get a good footing, have a good draft, but don't
try to go for it your first year because it's
probably not going to happen. So looking back now, I
think she totally avoided my advice, and for good reason,
because she not only won, I think she won the
omni track as well, So her final matchup, she didn't
even really need to win that because she would have
been promoted either way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she is actually the only two time winner of
in our league. She got promoted twice back to back.
That's pretty impressive. And the other thing that's crazy impressive
is that she was winning the last day by so much,
like you said, in a matchup that she really didn't
need to win because she would have been promoted anyways.
But she messed up on the last day and went
over the games played limit by what was this the moment,
like a hundred. She ended up losing out on over
one hundred points and still won because she was so
far ahead. It's just it's the most baller move I
can imagine.
Speaker 9: Act.
Speaker 3: Actually, I don't even care. I'll blow this day and
I'll still win.
Speaker 9: Yeah. I ended up winning by a slim margin of
eighteen points.
Speaker 3: Flex. So Mason, how are you going to handle the
competing with your mom in that league, knowing how competitive
she is?
Speaker 7: It's a good question. I think the first thing is
to watch your trade inbox fill up pretty quickly, because
I'm guessing she's probably one of the most active traders
in the entire number of divisions and number of teams
that we have, and for whatever reason, she knocks some
clearly out of the park. And I think that if
she didn't get promoted this year, she traded for Crosby
and I think a Vechkin and a few others, so
her squad probably wouldn't look the same in a couple
of years if she didn't get promoted. But of course
that's what the tidy is all about, right, You got
to take that risk, try to move up as quickly
as possible to the next division, and for her that
means the Lord Stanley. So there's going to be some
good banter back and forth, I'm sure, both on Discord
and also outside sounds good.
Speaker 3: Do you guys have anything on you want to comment on.
We're a little over what we expected time wise, but
we're good. If you have anything else you want to
comment on, Siman, was that all the things you had?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Victor Mason, did you have anything else you want to
maybe any advice where you you missed this question? You
asked that one if they had advice for people coming
into the league or other fantasy league. Did you learned
a lot from in tidy Yeah.
Speaker 7: Something that I had written down previously is the way
to supplement your team is obviously through prospects. But the
maximum number of games one hundred that a prospect can
continue to be a prospect is a difficult one because
most don't actually most prospects don't actually start hitting their
potential until let's say a game one eighty or even
two hundred. And what that means is that oftentimes when
you get a prospect that gets promoted they're actually below
replacement level, So yeah, to make that decision, do I
hold on to them and just fill up a roster
spot until they start reaching that potential, which might be
a year, maybe even two years later. The few prospects
I'm trying to think, maybe like a guy on my team,
Simone Vanson is maybe the exception to that rule, right
So other outside of that top tier blue chip prospect,
most of the prospects that are sitting on our farm
team right now probably aren't going to come in and
start earning points right away. So I think it's important
to realize that you want to stagger your prospects. So
you don't want five guys coming up all at the
same time and graduating. You want to make sure that
the guys that are coming up that you're making good
decisions on the ones that you think are going to
be relevant. And the one thing that I probably learned
from Jack actually is that the guys that can make
an impact and just give you a solid baseline to
begin with, or the guys that have solid blocks and hits,
and then over time they start to earn maybe more power,
play time, or just the deployment starts to increase and
that can be offensive zone face offs, or that could
be just the number of minutes that they're earning inside
of a game. It becomes very important to nail those
guys early on. So even if they're a little bit
below replacement and they're not picking up points, they're still
earning you some points, maybe not as many as you
hope for down the road, so.
Speaker 8: I think that's key.
Speaker 7: Personally, I had to jettison a couple guys that I
really like before the season. Jackson Blake was one of them.
I figured he would play the full season, but I
didn't think he'd make as big of an impact as
he did right away. But he'll quickly come up to
that hundred game threshold pretty soon as well, early on
next season. Zach Bulduke was another guy I'm trying to think.
Jordan Spence was another guy that graduated at the end
of last season. For me, and all those guys I've
had to trade away just because they weren't meeting the
replacement level players at the time when I traded them.
So I know that's probably going to come back to
haunt me a little bit later on, but at the
same time, that's part of becoming the champion of the
league as well, right that you have to make those
tough decisions and try to get roster players NHL players
that are fulfilling their potential right away.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One bit of advice I have is just a plug
for Victor and going to Ultra life, is that you
can use him for the draft. I used them a
lot for the draft and for just bouncing trades off
I did. I think I counted ten trades during the year,
but everyone I thought it was close. I gave him like,
here's my options, even in the draft, and here's my options.
Here's what I want to do. Sometimes he was like,
absolutely not, don't do that. And like you said earlier,
with one of the trades where I got Ov and
Crosby and Spurgeon, I think all in one trade flipping
them for Jason Robertson and Young and Asp you better win.
But that's a good trade. And so that was really
helpful for me just to get an idea of what
having that co GM almost is really helpful. So, yeah,
that's a little self defeating because the more people that
use that will give less time for me. But at
some point out sprout wings and fly on my own.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm still surprised God the more people don't do that,
And it's totally fine if you do. And I will
always tell people if both parties are talking to me
because they I think it's fair for them to know that,
which has happened. Not as often as you would think,
but it's it is helpful, yeah, because sometimes you think
something sounds good and then it's good to get a
reality check. And most of the ones you came with
once you decided you're pushing your chips and made sense.
But it's always good to get some feedback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, we're here to
have fun too, and I know it's more fun if
you make the decisions for yourself and not asking somebody else.
But I didn't get any less joy out of winning
just because I use Victor, so that's that's a plug
for him.
Speaker 4: Usually victory sparks joy.
Speaker 9: It's not a problem, and just a heads up to
all managers as well. I will be sending the Tidy
Operations Commands Hub end of season post mortem, which is
a little questionnaire that if you want to take the
time to answer, give me some feedback just on the
whole season. That'd be g really appreciate. If it goes
to your junk and you don't see it, then that's
not a big deal either. But if you do take
the time, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for doing that, Simon, and thanks to the
whole Tidy Commission team. Unfortunately Tim and Ryan couldn't be here,
and Mark is also part of that team, but Mark
Craftser started a new job at the beginning of this year,
so he hasn't been as available, but hopefully we'll be
as a move into the next season. And wanted to
thank all you division winners, Scott, Kevin, Sasha for joining us,
Mason great job, and Donna who didn't quite make it unfortunately,
but great job. And we're looking forward to next season.
And if you're at all interested in joining this really
fun league, highly encourage it. You will probably start at
the bottom, there might be some people who actually get
to start in Tier three. We'll see how it all
shakes out. But get your name on the interest level,
on the interest list as soon as possible and we
can start filling in the open spaces. It's a good
time and you learn a lot from the other league
mates and hopefully, as I saw in Litz from this year.
It actually made me want to be in that division
almost because they had a lot of fun in there.
So it don't be discouraged about starting at the bottom.
It's a good time either way. All right, thanks gents
for joining us, and we will we'll definitely chat again soon.
Speaker 6: Appreciate it. Thanks for mananking forward to next season.
Speaker 4: All right, we'd be right back to close out the show.
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