WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.720 Welcome to the Marvel Allonce Podcast, Recover anything and everything 2 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:16.719 to do with the Marvel Universe for the comics, TV 3 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:18.960 and movies. Who will go from first six one six 4 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:24.239 to the to the moto verse to and to get 5 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:27.440 to the bar. It's right Marvel, right to you. I'm 6 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:30.480 the man without dear Chris. I'm the nerd with the mouth, 7 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:36.399 David Alliance A symbol A symbol, Volume two hundred and 8 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.600 ninety seven. And as you hear that cry, you know 9 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.159 it's Punish your time the Punisher to see he hes 10 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:46.399 the special presentation to Punisher one last Kale has arrived. 11 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:52.560 David and I have thoughts, a lot of I. 12 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:57.039 Definitely have thought surprising, yep, but thoughts we had. 13 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.600 Yeah, I thought we had, you know, and maybe some 14 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.960 hot takes by some but somebody consider. But if you're 15 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.000 watching the video, you will notice that David is not 16 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:10.079 in his normal nerd setup. He is in a very 17 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:15.400 it almost looks like he's in a very boring like 18 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:20.159 hostage taking situation, which I appropriately Punisher I'm in. 19 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:21.719 I'm in witness protection. 20 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:24.319 I saw some things with the Nucci family that you know, 21 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:27.120 I had to go take cover. But no I am 22 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.200 I am live from a hotel room. Like I always say, 23 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.359 we do this for you, the listeners. I am out 24 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.599 of town, I'm away from home, but I still wanted 25 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:41.000 to give my thoughts on this one shot, so I 26 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.879 brought my setup with me to the hotel in order 27 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:46.680 to do the best that I can. 28 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.560 Hey, you know again, we do this for you, you 29 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.120 the people. But we appreciate you taking the time out 30 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.640 of her at your travels to do this. It is 31 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:57.840 a you know, kind of a big deal. This is, 32 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.840 you know, right now, the end of a very long 33 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:06.159 string of guaranteed content from our lines. Well, we'll see 34 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.080 what happens as we go forward, as we head into 35 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.400 the summer. At that point, we've got bears layer in there, 36 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.919 a lot of out loud exactly thoughts to be had. 37 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:18.719 It was interesting. Yep, doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. It's 38 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.919 just it. You know, we'll let's have to talk about it. 39 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.479 But yeah, week's been good. 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It definitely had some moments. 120 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:24.680 It had, you know, John Burnhal like encapsulating Frank Castle. 121 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.199 But other than that, I. 122 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.480 Feel like it for it supposedly being a one shot, 123 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.920 a self contained thing, I think it really dropped the ball. 124 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.639 If you are a fan going into this knowing that 125 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.519 man Nucci was gonna be a character, and you're thinking 126 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:44.160 of the Garth Innis, welcome back Frank run. 127 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.600 This ain't it that? 128 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.360 There were just there were a lot of missed opportunities. 129 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.519 A lot of stuff left on the table. And you know, 130 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.879 I will say, as someone who likes shows and episodes 131 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.439 where people throw hands, you get plenty of that. But 132 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:04.079 that's pretty much the meat and potatoes of all of 133 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:09.519 this is very little story, very little anything to really 134 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:13.480 pull you into Frank and him being who he is. 135 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.000 It's just, you know, a little bit of story in 136 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:17.759 one massive fight scene. 137 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:21.519 Yeah, you know, as my best friend Truck would say, 138 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:27.120 is this a Punisher special presentation? Yes it is, There's 139 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.560 no doubt about it. Like you, you channel basically the 140 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:35.319 basic ideas of what the Punisher is, the battles he 141 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.079 has raging inside and mentally outside the world, what he's 142 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:43.439 going through. And then, like you said, I honestly I 143 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:45.480 was not when I got to when we got to 144 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.319 the sequence when it started the huge fight, I was like, oh, 145 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.720 I've got a prediction. I think what's been told to 146 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:54.439 me is drue the last couple of months. The last 147 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:57.120 half of it is legitimately and nothing but a NonStop 148 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:00.000 action sequence, which again I mean, I know he said, 149 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.680 I suppose, but that's not really giving too much away. 150 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.360 We're not going to specifics with it. But like when 151 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.560 I saw again the length when we've heard the official 152 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.519 length of this, Oh yeah, this is there's not gonna 153 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:12.560 be too much time to really delve into some stuff. 154 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:16.519 And where the action sequences were great. Yes, it channeled 155 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:18.680 the Punisher. It was really cool some of the kills. 156 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:21.959 This is definitely the most bloodiest violent thing the MC 157 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.399 has ever put out there and produced. But to your point, 158 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.480 this seemed like there was more that could have been 159 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.279 done to flesh outs some characters, like the New Cheese 160 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.240 Ma Nucci. Though the whole thing was very quick and 161 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.679 it almost seemed like, Okay, if you've never seen anything 162 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.480 about the Punisher, this is a quick and dirty version 163 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.320 to get you through it to understand it. But we're 164 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.799 not even sure exactly like again the character, did he 165 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.440 really change? Man? I don't. They tried to make it 166 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.679 seem like it does. No, I don't think he has 167 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.879 changed really at all. But I'll get into some of 168 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.399 my you know, my hot quote unquote takes and again 169 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:05.159 this this is a this is gonna be an interesting 170 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:08.639 one because I did I had when I say, I 171 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:11.440 had high expectations. I had expectations this to see a 172 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.720 show again focused on John Burnhal's you know, characterization of 173 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.720 the Punisher because I like it. I didn't know necessarily 174 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.399 what was going to be happening with it. But then 175 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:25.600 I started hearing things, people telling me. They weren't telling 176 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:27.600 me spoilers, but they were kind of warning me, saying, 177 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.360 don't get your helpes too high up for what this 178 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:37.799 is gonna end up being, because they're they're not necessarily 179 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:39.960 limits were placed on it. But it was more like, 180 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.399 this is gonna be very much as I said, a 181 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:47.120 cliff Notes version of the character, this would be maybe 182 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.240 like you said, it's not necessarily one shot. I could 183 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:52.919 see like a two issue mini series at that point. 184 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.240 But again again not saying it's a bad special presentation. 185 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.919 It just I kind of was hoping for just a 186 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.559 little bit more depth to it and bringing something new 187 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.399 to the character that has been put out on the screen. 188 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:10.639 But they I think they took the safe route, good 189 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:12.360 or bad, however you look at it. I think they 190 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.120 stayed safe with this one. 191 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:19.600 Yeah, again, there was a lot left on the table. 192 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.399 Yeah, all right, so let us get over the spoiler wall, 193 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.559 so we start with what else? We're gonna start with 194 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.919 one of my favorite guitar heroes play songs all time, 195 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.320 Mother by dancing. When I heard that, say, oh that 196 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.000 took me back. I mean I knew a mother beforehand 197 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.240 before it came to the man guitar hero that brought 198 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:44.360 that to the major in audience. Man, I loved it, 199 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.399 and at that point, man, this is this is appropriate, 200 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.440 especially with where we're entering in Frank. So I guess 201 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:51.720 we start with something else, but this seems like a 202 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:56.480 pretty over the play selection of Frank Castle. This is 203 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.440 followed by a shirtless, bearded Frank slow mo walking by 204 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.799 his murder wall, where he literally puts together the clues. 205 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.320 Not a wall where he murders people, but possibly he 206 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.480 could have murdered people on the wall, wouldn't be sparts 207 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:12.399 own possibility. That's followed by his bloody hands gripping a 208 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.080 chin up bar while he does pull ups and screams. Now. 209 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.919 I couldn't tell what necessarily was it just doing pull 210 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.440 ups until he's bleeding? Does he have barbed wire on it? 211 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.360 Is it just bad? I don't know. I could see 212 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:24.720 like all the above with this. 213 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.240 Yeah, it was cool to see frankness spot. He kind 214 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.399 of looks like he did coming out of Season one 215 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:35.399 of Daredevil. 216 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:36.519 You know, he's got that beard. 217 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:39.960 Look, he gets to about forty one of the pull ups, 218 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:44.480 hands bleeding and he just drops. 219 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:45.200 Down, can't take it anymore. 220 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.840 But like he's in immaculate shape, and you can tell 221 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.600 like he he is a man who has been on 222 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:52.200 a mission. 223 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:56.480 Yeah, he makes it to the forties and the music distorts. 224 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.480 He drinks does pills, so he's not necessarily doing what 225 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.759 you know, medical doctors prescribed, don't be drinking alcohol with 226 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:05.639 pain pills. But this is Frank Castle. He's going to 227 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.000 do what Frank Castle does. He's never met a metaphor 228 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.279 he couldn't punch, and he punches the mirror and breaks 229 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.440 his own reflection. That's very obvious symboli, isn't there. I'm 230 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.120 not going to break that down for you. You know, 231 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:21.080 his shatter itself more screaming up and now as Frank 232 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.120 tears down the clippings on his wall starts, we cut 233 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:27.840 to the titles that I'm not sure one last kill. 234 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.879 Now we're over to a news report. However, it's not 235 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:32.840 BB reporting in there's a lot of violence going into 236 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:35.639 where this is taking place in little Sicily, New York. 237 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.679 And follow the an unhoused man with a little dog, 238 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.639 probably a Marine just because he's wearing a US Marine 239 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:46.519 Corps cap, nothing else signaling that could just be wearing 240 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.960 the cap, but you know, it would tie into kind 241 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.440 of frank later on towards the end of Maybe Why 242 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.039 Finding a Kinship with him, he's singing wand during the 243 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.639 street And if you notice in the background, for those 244 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.279 of you that are kind of playing though, who's had 245 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:04.519 always appearing in the movie radio Man? Yes, Radio Man 246 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.000 is in the background, blinking to miss him. He's back 247 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:12.039 there under the bridge as as our Marine Corps guy 248 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:14.639 with the dog comes out. Radio Man is always seems 249 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:19.519 to be he was a former unhoused erst unhoused individual, 250 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:23.799 but just always suddenly had was in caming on film 251 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:25.759 sets things like that, and it's become kind of like, 252 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.559 if you're filming in New York, radio Man's not too 253 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:30.960 too far behind, and they seem to work him in 254 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:31.440 in there. 255 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.679 Yeah, he has been in not only a bunch of 256 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.879 Marvel projects, but also like a bunch of movies and 257 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:41.519 in general, so there's something going around on the streets 258 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.080 in New York. He has got a cameo, a background 259 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:49.279 feature something, and it's really cool that they, you know, 260 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:54.000 more people have adopted this unhoused man and have put 261 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:55.440 him in there and given him. 262 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.600 This little shine. So it's that's a cool little Easter egg. 263 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:03.799 Yeah, so he's wandering the streets. No more Cadillacs out here, 264 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:08.039 how boy says, and explaining that Nucci gorillas are gone. 265 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.840 When the when the viewers don't know what that means, 266 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:13.480 comics fans do, It means the Nucci gang has left, Yes, 267 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.080 And I mean we already knew they were going to 268 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:17.480 be part of this, but you know, I was saying, Oh, 269 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.399 I know, we've got we've gone over on this show. 270 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.759 We did a whole thing on that that arc of Punisher, 271 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.879 the violence have let violence got worse as some thugs 272 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.120 come up to it. Basically, I kit the guy in 273 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:31.600 the back of the head, try to knock him out, 274 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.200 take his dog, Camo, and almost he almost gets hit 275 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.639 by a truck. And then the guy, the guy who's 276 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.879 grabbing the dog and you know, holding him not necessarily. Well, 277 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:45.279 that guy's begging for his dog back, and he tosses 278 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.720 the dog into the garbage truck and you the man 279 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.279 just scream sobs, no more dog. We could already see 280 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.240 this going, all right, We're trying to channel some of 281 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.600 those John Wick vibes. Now, I would say in that moment, 282 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.360 everyone who's ever watching us, they just want Frank Castle 283 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.120 if anyone's gonna be biting it hard and should be 284 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.720 tortured at that point, you know, that's that's what they're hoping. 285 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.480 The audience is like, just end him. He needs to die. 286 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:11.759 That person needs to die. 287 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:13.200 Yeah. 288 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.639 At that point, I was like, I I hope this 289 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:19.519 is the first kill. 290 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:26.480 Or one could be the last kill. That was easy. 291 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.120 There's no time to worry about this though, because it's 292 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.320 back to Frank, who is going nuts in his own 293 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:36.159 empty room. You know, I realize it's my choice and 294 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:39.279 my choice alone, to be a renaissance marine, he mutters 295 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.440 as he sees visions of his old army. But he's 296 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:47.039 Nick Nick Calamonados as Nick, and Colton Hill as Coulton, 297 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:51.360 as well as Curtis Hoyle Jason Armer Moore, who folks 298 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.960 should remember from the Punishing Netflix series. Now, there are 299 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.399 sequences that we go back and forth with. He sees 300 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:01.080 these visions and what it mounts be hallucinations of his 301 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.279 former buddies. You know, I know the idea was, oh god, 302 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.759 did they kill Curtis as he had ghos things like that. No, 303 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.600 because if you notice, if you remember if watched the 304 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.919 next flik show, Curtis was never one to kind of 305 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.799 break Frank down and bust his butt for anything like that. 306 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.480 This is Curtis, but this is Frank Castle's version of Curtis. 307 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:19.960 This is Curtis speaking as Frank. 308 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:21.360 Yeah. 309 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:26.799 This these are images of his marine buddies that he 310 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:31.279 has propagated in his mind, but it's not necessarily true 311 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:36.000 to form of them. It is just them expressing Frank's 312 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.919 thoughts to himself through the visions of these three. 313 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.519 Frank cuts to his like this is what he got? 314 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:44.360 Oh my god, he's like. He literally takes a nip 315 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.120 and cuts his chest where the Marine Corps emblem is 316 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:50.679 like both X three and he screams, and Curtis, or 317 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.240 rather a dream Curtis as I'm gonna call him, tells 318 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.320 Frank to talk to him, tells Frank to talk to him. 319 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.919 I think I need some help, Frank says Hard. Agree, Frank, 320 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.000 Hard agree, you're doing that. Yeah, you need to help 321 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.640 A long time ago. However, I think you might make 322 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.720 a therapist quit their job after they try to get 323 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.480 an idea of going on, what's in your mind? Frank? Actually, yeah, 324 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.079 Frank packs up, leaves the Marine Corps stuff behind, locks 325 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.640 it up, and he's recognized by a neighbor with a 326 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.039 young kid as he heads onto a busy neighborhood street 327 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.400 wearing a hoodie trying not to be noticed. 328 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:25.759 Yeah. 329 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:31.079 He again, this is Frank and his psychological damage. I mean, 330 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:35.079 the man is isn't admitted He's damaged by the things 331 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.440 that he went through, not only in war but after war, 332 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:38.759 his time as the Punisher. 333 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:41.640 The man has been through some stuff. He is broken. 334 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.079 Yeah, So we get a little more info as we 335 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.519 headed to the diner run by Andre who has a 336 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.839 granddaughter named Charlie. The TV going on, letting us know 337 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.599 that Frank has killed the Neucci crime family, saying that 338 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.759 they're one of the last gangs tied to the death 339 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:03.160 of Frank Castle's family Major Gripe number one. Ladies and gentlemen, 340 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:05.559 if you have seen the Netflix, though, you should all 341 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.880 stomatically be maybe possibly he could look past it things 342 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:14.160 like that. We are now entering the third retcon of 343 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.119 the death of Frank Castle's family in the MCU three 344 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.319 times three times. We have we have added to who 345 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.119 has been responsible for his guest. First, we had the 346 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.680 idea of it's his war buddies that we're trying to 347 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:32.440 silence him from becoming a whistleblower for things that had happened. 348 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.200 Then what was it? It was the FBI. 349 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:36.680 Yeah, it was uh, it was. 350 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.759 Gone wrong and you know it was all their fault. 351 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.519 And now we we have number three. Somebody needs to 352 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:47.599 call up a mam Vlani and tell her to sit 353 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:50.440 in a chair and tell them what happens so that 354 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.759 they can stay on track. I know these big studios 355 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:57.599 normally pay somebody to make sure things stay within the 356 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:59.039 established timeline. 357 00:18:59.079 --> 00:18:59.680 Spears is. 358 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:02.519 MCU needs to. 359 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.480 Just ay if y'are not putting out any more Miss 360 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.279 Marvel stuff, then just get Mama Lani to sit right 361 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.160 next to you and be like, yeah, now you can't 362 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:10.440 do that because we already did that. 363 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.880 Yeah. And outside the diner things are pretty nuts, and 364 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.240 the nuts in the diner outside of the diner, But 365 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.880 Frank can't be bothered, won't do anything because in his mind, 366 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.759 that's why he's going nuts, because he thinks his mission's over. 367 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:25.079 He's done everything, He's gotten rid of those who have 368 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.039 been responded for her family. That's why he's kind of 369 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.000 losing touch with reality because he doesn't see exactly what's 370 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.920 the point anymore. He's even ignoring the madness. Like I said, 371 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.519 on the streets, in the in the in the diner, 372 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.880 they're coming to get us and a group of thugs 373 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.839 beating up into some people. Is that in Frank's head? 374 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:44.720 Is it actually happening or both? Like this was an 375 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:47.319 interesting I think I when I wrote this down, it's 376 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.279 just I started to think about it, saying, is this 377 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:54.640 really happening or is this Frank like losing touch, Like 378 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.279 this is the this is the chaos literally going on 379 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.079 in the head and he's literally walking through it. That 380 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.279 is a if that I don't know if they're that 381 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:04.359 good to pull something like that out, because I don't 382 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.000 think it is. I think it's literally what was going on, 383 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.920 book man, what a mind screw up at that point. 384 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:11.160 If they said, actually, this was all in Frank's mind, 385 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.240 None of this happened. This was just him trying to 386 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:15.039 work through his stuff to get to the point of 387 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.880 getting back to being punisher. That's a very interesting and 388 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.200 I think plausible idea. That's why I wanted to put 389 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:21.680 it out there. 390 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.480 Yeah, because some of the stuff that was like going 391 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:28.839 on in the background just kind of seem like this 392 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:32.000 would be an attention grabber to even someone like Frank, 393 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:34.240 Like you would take a second look. 394 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:38.160 Where's where's Kingpin? Where's the AVTF? Like this is something 395 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:42.519 that I think that they like, what is happening? And 396 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:44.480 it's always a big question, but something like this, like 397 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:46.359 where Spider Man if it's New York, where Spider Man? 398 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:51.480 Where's there? Like when we know this takes place, like 399 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.440 after he gets he leaves that he escapes to sell 400 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.640 that Kingpin's got him in, but like you wouldn't know 401 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.559