Speaker 1: All right, Ryan macbeth, thank you for being back on
Speaker 1: the show. I feel this is a do over with
Speaker 1: you because the first time I try to do a
Speaker 1: video episode and I had technical difficulties, so I felt
Speaker 1: bad about that, although the audio episode did do pretty
Speaker 1: well by the way, But this time I'm glad to
Speaker 1: have you on video since I mean, your your audience
Speaker 1: based is YouTube and that's what you do. You specialize
Speaker 1: and you're making like very informative, awesome videos, and you
Speaker 1: do deep dives, and you have a way of explaining
Speaker 1: it in a way that people can just understand it
Speaker 1: without feeling like they have to go to school. You know.
Speaker 1: He basically removed that difficulty out and say, look, let
Speaker 1: me break it down easy for you to digest, and
Speaker 1: this is what's really going on. So I'm glad to
Speaker 1: have this again with you in video format. I just
Speaker 1: they need to see you, they really do to get
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So since we last talked, the first
Speaker 1: time we talked, were talking about was going on in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: I do want to get to that because there's new
Speaker 1: developments and I know you made a video recently about that,
Speaker 1: and then you also made another video about what was
Speaker 1: going on with Israel, what's going on in Gaza, and
Speaker 1: that whole issue as well. So let's start there, if
Speaker 1: you don't mind, Because you know, after the bombing, the
Speaker 1: US sent their B two bombers and whatnot, and we
Speaker 1: basically bomb nuclear facilities in Iran. I ran, surprisingly to me,
Speaker 1: by the way, to me, backed off and I didn't
Speaker 1: expect that they would, but they did. They did settle
Speaker 1: down a bit. A lot of people were really well
Speaker 1: I was. I know you were, because I know you
Speaker 1: mentioned it. But people are concerned that there might be
Speaker 1: sleeper cells here in the US that might be activated
Speaker 1: and retaliation to that. I want to start with that,
Speaker 1: with that first, and see what you think, you know,
Speaker 1: coming from your perspective, because I don't. I don't believe
Speaker 1: it's over. I really don't. I think that that is
Speaker 1: a reality that's extremely plausible. I believe that that is
Speaker 1: a thing that we will have to face. And I
Speaker 1: have done the data. I've done the dive Inpu off
Speaker 1: the border, and I know that this year alone, at
Speaker 1: least until May, there was about seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: two or somewhere around there. I don't have the exact
Speaker 1: but it was like seven fifty two in terms of
Speaker 1: terrorists that they knew about that they detained when I
Speaker 1: broke it down, was enough to put fifteen terrorists in
Speaker 1: every state of the United States of America. And that's
Speaker 1: not counting the ones they don't know about. So what
Speaker 1: do you think about that situation? So it would be concerned?
Speaker 1: Should the average American citizen be vigilant, be watching out
Speaker 1: for that or at least have an idea that, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could go bad.
Speaker 2: So well, that's a tough one because it feels like
Speaker 2: I'm in two thousand and two. Right, are we are
Speaker 2: we red? Are we yellow? Or we blue? Or we green?
Speaker 2: Is it a high alert day? Is it a low
Speaker 2: alert day? Right? That's a really good question. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't think the average American should be concerned in
Speaker 2: the sense that there's really not a lot you can
Speaker 2: do to prevent it. But in general, the security services
Speaker 2: of the US need to be concerned about it, mainly because,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to get into politics, but for
Speaker 2: about four years our borders were essentially wide open. We
Speaker 2: don't necessarily know who's here, and instead of you know,
Speaker 2: arresting people at home depot, maybe we should be kind
Speaker 2: of looking for bad guys. I think kind of the
Speaker 2: problem here is that arresting people at home depot is
Speaker 2: good for the president's base, and arresting bad guys is
Speaker 2: hard and takes time. Right, you don't have that immediate payoff,
Speaker 2: So it's kind of easy to see what someone might
Speaker 2: might choose to do, even though finding the bad guys
Speaker 2: could eventually stops for a teris incident. When it comes
Speaker 2: to Iran, I think I don't want to say they've
Speaker 2: learned their lesson, because they haven't learned their lesson. They're
Speaker 2: in a weird place right now. We can get into
Speaker 2: that when it comes to funding and how they're going
Speaker 2: to rebuild their military. But essentially, I would if I
Speaker 2: were part of the security services, I would be concerned
Speaker 2: about a terist start within the United States that might
Speaker 2: not activate now but could activate in the future. So
Speaker 2: the average person knows security services, yes.
Speaker 1: Right, I feel the same way. I just well, I'm
Speaker 1: agreeing with you, But there's also that side of me
Speaker 1: that is like, well, I'm a civilian, like, what's the
Speaker 1: possibility what might I have to go through if that
Speaker 1: did come to it? And interestingly enough, you know, we
Speaker 1: had the instant Colorado where you know, we had the
Speaker 1: extremists that burned a few Cherish people, right, and then
Speaker 1: they recently all so arrested a few Iranians that they
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact details, but they're said to
Speaker 1: be terrorists or non terroists that they deported. That was
Speaker 1: also just just happened recently. So yeah, it is a
Speaker 1: real thing. But I understand what you're saying. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's for security forces to deal with, and they
Speaker 1: should be dealing with that. So in your opinion, maybe
Speaker 1: we should just you know, hey, be aware, but move on,
Speaker 1: live on, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, God, again, it sounds like it's it's
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. If we don't just continue to
Speaker 2: live our lives, terrorists win, right, right. And I even
Speaker 2: remember when I want to say it was in god,
Speaker 2: November October of two thousand and one, President Bush said
Speaker 2: go buy something. Stop watching television and go to the
Speaker 2: store and buy something. And I remember only I was
Speaker 2: dating this for all the time, and I went and
Speaker 2: I bought her like a six hundred dollars eleven jacket.
Speaker 2: You know, I did my part for the economy, you know,
Speaker 2: because like our economy was actually suffering because people were
Speaker 2: hiding inside their homes watching the news.
Speaker 1: Right, they were, they were they they weren't outdoors.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was a great South Park episode about that where
Speaker 2: the I think Randy is sitting on the couch and
Speaker 2: his eyes are just wide and how like, and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's we have to live our lite. Ye,
Speaker 2: fair enough. If we live in fear, then the terrorists
Speaker 2: really do win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hence terrorism, right yeah, okay, fair enough on that.
Speaker 1: What about what about your thoughts on what's going on
Speaker 1: in Gaza? I mean, it's we're getting really into what
Speaker 1: are getting close to two years or so or about
Speaker 1: two years correct, so we're run there? What what is
Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on on how that is being
Speaker 1: handled by Israel at the moment. And the reason I
Speaker 1: asked as we because the sentiment is a lot of
Speaker 1: people will agree that they had a right to do
Speaker 1: what they had to do. I mean, I saw your
Speaker 1: video where you said you didn't forget October seventh. I
Speaker 1: didn't either. Most people shouldn't have forgot about that, do
Speaker 1: you think in your in your opinion and this isn't
Speaker 1: this is just an opinion opinion spot, but do you
Speaker 1: think Israel is going a little too far or are
Speaker 1: they trying to deal with the situation where it's a
Speaker 1: matter of geography because it's not a very big place,
Speaker 1: not a very big place for you know, Hamas, for example,
Speaker 1: to spread out and hide. And I've seen that they're
Speaker 1: pretty much just using the people as shields and they're
Speaker 1: basically their captain. They can't necessarily leave either. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, do you believe Israel should probably try
Speaker 1: a different tactic. Are they going a bit too far
Speaker 1: at this point or are they just doing what they
Speaker 1: have to do.
Speaker 2: So one of the things that Israel has done is
Speaker 2: they've started to create a militious and these militias are
Speaker 2: made up of Palestinians who no longer want Hamas in charge,
Speaker 2: and they give them guns and they say, okay, get
Speaker 2: at it, because you know, these guys, they know where
Speaker 2: the hostages are. They no, they know where Hamas is located.
Speaker 2: So it's one of those things where it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: you know, this is kind of how we have to
Speaker 2: do this. And some of these these guys, they're honestly
Speaker 2: got criminal gangs, right, they're criminal gangs. But again, to
Speaker 2: kind of go back to the era of Donald Rumsfeld.
Speaker 2: You go to war if the army have not the
Speaker 2: army you want or you wish you had at a
Speaker 2: later date. So what choice do you have, right they
Speaker 2: you know, those are the allies that are willing to fight,
Speaker 2: So I guess we kind of have to stick with
Speaker 2: those allies. So they're doing that. They are getting aid in,
Speaker 2: which is good. I believe they control about sixty to
Speaker 2: sixty five percent of Gaza and they will ideally that
Speaker 2: the ceasefire is coming up. Supposedly there may be a
Speaker 2: ceasefire soon where most will return. I believe, Oh my,
Speaker 2: this is kind of put me on the on the spot.
Speaker 2: I believe there are forty remaining hostages and twenty two
Speaker 2: I think are still alive. Something like that. There's fifty
Speaker 2: hostages remaining and we know that twenty two are still alive.
Speaker 2: So you know, I believe the ceasefire gives ten hostages back.
Speaker 2: And I can't even imagine what condition the hostages are, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, it must be absolute hell on earth, right,
Speaker 2: because God knows where they're getting fed, right, Like, where
Speaker 2: are these people getting food to feed these hosages? So
Speaker 2: they must be at the point of starvation. Right, No,
Speaker 2: that's not.
Speaker 1: You're not in good shape whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't be, but they can't.
Speaker 1: You dressed this a little bit. But what about what
Speaker 1: about what's going around mostly on social media or you know,
Speaker 1: we are the media now, right, social media? But what
Speaker 1: about what was being said of Israel willingly holding back supplies,
Speaker 1: right and aid and killing people who are trying to
Speaker 1: get aid? Because from the reports I've seen, and you
Speaker 1: know way more than I do. You have more access,
Speaker 1: but from the reports that I've seen, it's it's really
Speaker 1: not necessarily the case. It's Hamas intercepting a lot of
Speaker 1: these you know, a lot of this aid and then
Speaker 1: trying to redistribute or sell it back to their own people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how much of it is true that Israel is
Speaker 1: actually doing this versus it's just propaganda being spread by Hamas?
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's an excellent question. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I got to tell you that in some cases, if
Speaker 2: if Israelies are rushed by people and they feel threatened,
Speaker 2: they're going to open fires. Right, That's just kind of
Speaker 2: the way it is. If you feel threatened, then well
Speaker 2: you gotta do what you gotta do to stop the threat.
Speaker 2: That being said, you know, for the most part, Israel
Speaker 2: is getting aid in. It seems like it is mostly successful.
Speaker 2: I want to say it's about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: trucks per day roughly. But one of the issues is
Speaker 2: the security situation. That's why you want to work with
Speaker 2: these Palestinians. The criminal gangs who will hopefully take that
Speaker 2: food and distribute it. Now they're probably distributing it in
Speaker 2: a way that makes their gang more powerful. That one
Speaker 2: of the big issues that a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: talk about. This is actually the case in Africa as well,
Speaker 2: is you know, we say Palestinians, but there are tribes
Speaker 2: within Palestinians, and I'm trying to I'm actually trying to
Speaker 2: google it right now. All the but like you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's different plans and we tend to think of, oh,
Speaker 2: here's Palestinians. We tend to think of Arabs in general.
Speaker 2: There's Arabs, but there's different plans and factions and families
Speaker 2: within those societies. And that's why, like democracy doesn't always
Speaker 2: work quite right because like let's say you get hired
Speaker 2: onto the police force, You're going to try to get
Speaker 2: your cousin hired. He's part of your plan, he's part
Speaker 2: of your family. And that's how you end up with
Speaker 2: a mostly Shia police force in Iraq. Right, That's just
Speaker 2: kind of how that part of the world works because
Speaker 2: a lot of it is still tribal, right, and we
Speaker 2: just don't have any concept of that inside the United States.
Speaker 1: No, we don't. I was trying to look it up
Speaker 1: while you're talking. I can't. I can't find like a
Speaker 1: definite number. But it does does echo exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is made up by extended families
Speaker 1: throughout the.
Speaker 2: Generation Sucsans was. Yeah, there was exact sorts of plans,
Speaker 2: and you know, and this happened in Afghanistan. Didn't happen
Speaker 2: to me personally, but I know a guy. I know
Speaker 2: a guy right who who said that they built a
Speaker 2: like a water uh, like a irrigation system for this
Speaker 2: one town, and this other town went and blew it
Speaker 2: up because like they thought they should get it first.
Speaker 2: And it's like we, you know, and yeah, these tribal politics, man,
Speaker 2: you know, like and we kind of thought like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to Afghanistan, We're gonna create Jeffersonian democracy,
Speaker 2: and you know, we just kind of ran into that
Speaker 2: tribal issue. You know, for the longest time. You know,
Speaker 2: Ahmad Karzai was essentially mayor of Kabble, right, he was president,
Speaker 2: but he was Breck. You step outside of Cobble, you
Speaker 2: might as well be stepping back into the year two
Speaker 2: thousand while over the year seven hundred, depending on the
Speaker 2: definition you want to go through here. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: the tribal thing is it's just not something that that
Speaker 2: we can ignore and uh, it's uh, it's something that
Speaker 2: we have to think about whenever dealing with these societies
Speaker 2: where when we look at it and go, well, we
Speaker 2: gave you this freedom, how come you're not well because
Speaker 2: you put this other tribe in charge, not my tribe,
Speaker 2: so I have to fight this other tribe. God's Yeah.
Speaker 1: Our misunderstanding of the of the region and its history,
Speaker 1: as just as you said, between tribes has been an issue.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to I'm going to get to some
Speaker 1: before we move on. I'm going to get to something
Speaker 1: that that touches on because you know, you mentioned Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: like when when we went in there around two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, right, or War on Terror but before that,
Speaker 1: we helped to supply the rebels and help push back
Speaker 1: against the Soviets at that time. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't even know this, but Afghanistan they went through
Speaker 1: a period where they were literally a communist country. I
Speaker 1: was backed by the Soviets before the Soviets invaded in
Speaker 1: seventy eight or seventy nine. So and before that, they
Speaker 1: weren't even in Islama State. They were a monarchy. They
Speaker 1: ran by, you know, under the rule of a monarchy.
Speaker 1: You know, at that time, Islam wasn't even a governing body.
Speaker 1: It was literally just a religion, you know, and it
Speaker 1: was spread out among different tribes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're absolutely right, and there are people who
Speaker 2: were wearing many skirts and kabble, you.
Speaker 1: Know, wouldn't But the reason I brought that up is
Speaker 1: because you bring up a You brought up Afghanistan, and
Speaker 1: the US gets the blame for creating these terrorist organizations
Speaker 1: all the time. If it wasn't for US, this wouldn't
Speaker 1: have happened. Right, if we didn't back Israel, nobody would
Speaker 1: hate Israel or hate the United States, which which is false.
Speaker 1: They're still going to have an issue with Israel. They
Speaker 1: always have but the reality is, you know, like I
Speaker 1: just did a deep dive on this the other day.
Speaker 1: Islamic let me correct myself. Extreme Islamist terrorism has been
Speaker 1: around in that region for thirteen hundred years literally, and
Speaker 1: it's not a new concept. And primarily it was terrorism
Speaker 1: against other Muslims. It wasn't about being against the West.
Speaker 1: It was about power and control, subjecting the other people
Speaker 1: that they believe didn't hold up or lived to the
Speaker 1: standards of Islam, at least to their extreme view of
Speaker 1: it anyway. So it's a long history of terrorism and
Speaker 1: a religious war within the people that literally practiced the
Speaker 1: same religion, which is crazy. And you know, we always
Speaker 1: see in the media how the Western powers are to
Speaker 1: blame for the situation. The United States is to blame,
Speaker 1: not We're not infallible at all. We did things that
Speaker 1: we probably shouldn't have. We don't have a full understanding
Speaker 1: of why we should be there. We just knew that, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to spread democracy and free the people. But
Speaker 1: there was way more to the story than just that.
Speaker 1: So it's it's like, what do you say to those
Speaker 1: who always always believe that we should just not ever
Speaker 1: get involved, Should we not ever involved, or we are
Speaker 1: we just perpetuating perpetuating the problem, or is it something
Speaker 1: that we really should always have a bit of a
Speaker 1: hand in to make sure it doesn't get too out
Speaker 1: of control as far as our interests are concerned, or
Speaker 1: maybe in the world's interest.
Speaker 2: Well, the question kind of comes up as before we
Speaker 2: get involved, what is the definition of when okay? And
Speaker 2: that's I did a video about that. Essentially it was
Speaker 2: about how how Vietnam can kind of parallel what the
Speaker 2: conflict with China might look like in the sense that
Speaker 2: if we go into Taiwan without a full understanding with
Speaker 2: but win actually means we're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 2: trouble because the Yeah, the idea behind Robert McNamara during
Speaker 2: Vietnam was well, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna apply
Speaker 2: graduated pressure until they realize that all right, well we
Speaker 2: probably can't win against the United States, so we're just
Speaker 2: gonna come to the peace table. And that didn't seem
Speaker 2: to work, right, like you know Vietnam, you know, Vietnam
Speaker 2: just are oh, we can wait these guys out. That's
Speaker 2: exactly what they did, right, So yeah, you know it's
Speaker 2: by that that's a. I think before getting involved any place,
Speaker 2: we should kind of get that definition of win, Like
Speaker 2: what does definitely what what does win actually look like?
Speaker 2: If you if you take a look at the Huthies,
Speaker 2: what does win mean? Does it mean regime change? Does
Speaker 2: it mean the who aren't capable of launching attacks against
Speaker 2: the against shipping in the Red Sea anymore? Does it
Speaker 2: mean treading them to the point where the loyalists I
Speaker 2: used to say the loyalists, but the people in the
Speaker 2: western half of the Yemen would be able to actually
Speaker 2: fight back against the hoo Thies because right now, Yemen's
Speaker 2: kind of a fractured state. The Hoopies are just one tribe, right,
Speaker 2: they are a tribe that are inside of Yemen, and
Speaker 2: you know they were able to take over a good
Speaker 2: portion of the western half. So what does win mean? Right?
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the direction that you should probably
Speaker 2: go in. It's before you get involved in any kind
Speaker 2: of conflict to figure out what win actually means.
Speaker 1: So literally, a better understanding of the area in the situation,
Speaker 1: Like what's the impact of our involvement?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get where you're coming from. As far as
Speaker 1: what is a win? I mean, it's basically defining what
Speaker 1: the mission is, right and why are we here? Really,
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever know the whole story. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I mean, I just I guess
Speaker 1: it's really about do you do you believe that? Not
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't say the world, it's it's more like media, right,
Speaker 1: there's this rhetoric in this, this whole movement of you know,
Speaker 1: America bad, anti America, America needs to be dismantled, America
Speaker 1: needs to go away because everything we do just makes
Speaker 1: the world turn to shit. And I don't believe that
Speaker 1: at all. I really don't. So I want to get
Speaker 1: your opinion on that, and you know where that's coming from,
Speaker 1: I mean, outside of obvious propaganda that's being spread to
Speaker 1: divide us. What do you think about what's going on
Speaker 1: right now with that, with that push for that talking
Speaker 1: point about America just being the enemy of the world,
Speaker 1: or rather every time we get involved, we just create
Speaker 1: a worse situation.
Speaker 2: Boy, that's a very good question, you know, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 2: back after the terrorist attacks, one of the excuses we
Speaker 2: kind of had was, well, they hate our freedoms, and
Speaker 2: I think that some people they they look at their
Speaker 2: government and they go like, man, my government is a
Speaker 2: government for the people in charge. Right, They don't think
Speaker 2: like you look at an Arab spring, Well, how did
Speaker 2: Arab spring start? Well, it's started because there was a
Speaker 2: fruit cart vendor who didn't have the money to pay
Speaker 2: for a license for his fruit cart. And he also
Speaker 2: didn't have the money to pay for a bribe to
Speaker 2: this policewoman who kept harassing him. Right, and so what
Speaker 2: does this guy do? Well, he sells fruit illegally and
Speaker 2: then the police come and smashes fruit cart. Now, then
Speaker 2: he goes and sets himself on fire in protest. Right. So,
Speaker 2: I think that you have people who they don't understand
Speaker 2: why their government treats them the way they do. And
Speaker 2: they look at America and it's this amazing kind of
Speaker 2: why does ever want to come here? They hate us
Speaker 2: so much? But I would bet you if you went
Speaker 2: to an average Palestinian and said would you like to
Speaker 2: come to America, They'd be on the next fricking flight
Speaker 2: as long as they can bring their family with, right, Right,
Speaker 2: they like we there is this magical part of America where,
Speaker 2: for the most part, we really do live in a security.
Speaker 2: We live in a society where we do generally follow laws.
Speaker 2: Most people do pay their taxes. Most police aren't really corrupt,
Speaker 2: at least not to the extent that you know, you
Speaker 2: can pay a bribe to get out of the ticket
Speaker 2: or something like that. Right, Like, I can't even imagine
Speaker 2: what would happen to me if I tried. You know,
Speaker 2: if the police came and I held out one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars bill, probably wouldn't go, right. They probably arrestd me
Speaker 2: for for trying to bribe them. Right right now, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there is corruption, right we saw that. He saw
Speaker 2: that in New York, Yes, with Mary Eric Adams, who like,
Speaker 2: let me do all these favors for Turkey, and you know,
Speaker 2: I get to fly to Turkey for fifty dollars whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, Like for Menendez, that was always a good one,
Speaker 2: Robert Menz It's.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, we'll always be corrected bars and it's
Speaker 1: never to the level that we see in these other
Speaker 1: third work countries for example, right.
Speaker 2: Now, not even close. Like if I want to start
Speaker 2: a business here in the US, I have a I
Speaker 2: have an Indian friend of mine and he was telling
Speaker 2: me how great the US is, How like this guy
Speaker 2: he moved from India to Texas and like now he
Speaker 2: wears a cowboy hat, he owns a gun, he's driving
Speaker 2: a Ford f one fifty. Like America has this way
Speaker 2: of just turning evil into Americans, right, And he told me,
Speaker 2: like how like in India, if you want to start
Speaker 2: a busines, you got to go pay a bribe to someone,
Speaker 2: and then you go to another agency and you gotta
Speaker 2: pay another bribe, and everything's set up so that everyone
Speaker 2: kind of gets their palms greased on the way to
Speaker 2: starting this business. And in America, if I want to
Speaker 2: start a business, I literally go on to the State
Speaker 2: of Maryland website and I pay fifty dollars and I
Speaker 2: start an LLC.
Speaker 1: Literally, just go online, you can start one.
Speaker 2: And that I think that is for the most part,
Speaker 2: the engine of our growth, the engine of our success.
Speaker 2: It's that people can just you want to start a business,
Speaker 2: you want to start cleaning business, You just all right,
Speaker 2: you'll get some fabulous so get some rags, get some buckets,
Speaker 2: form the LLC poof you just started a business. And
Speaker 2: I think that people in some other countries they look
Speaker 2: at America and they don't they don't get it. They
Speaker 2: don't understand, like, how come they're successful, but we're not.
Speaker 2: And they may realize like, oh, it's because our leaders
Speaker 2: are corrupt, but they can't fix that. So it's just
Speaker 2: kind of it might be easier to blame America of
Speaker 2: your problems than it is to kind of look internally right,
Speaker 2: because you can't fix that. The only way you fix
Speaker 2: that is the way the Syrians did. Now, a lot
Speaker 2: of Assyrians died to make that happen.
Speaker 1: The thing with the well, so I see where you
Speaker 1: come from. I agree with that. But the reality is
Speaker 1: the Middle East is always, always had had some kind
Speaker 1: of conflict, and I know, as you stated before, a
Speaker 1: lot of it is tribal. It's like that area has
Speaker 1: never well, we consider it modernization, right, because Western culture
Speaker 1: is just completely different. We always look at them as
Speaker 1: not progressing there. They seem to be very traditional in
Speaker 1: their ways after all these years, and and what happens
Speaker 1: is from what I see, I may be wrong, and
Speaker 1: that's why you're here, you know, correct me, But what
Speaker 1: I see is as soon as as soon as one
Speaker 1: faction rises right on behalf of the people, it's always
Speaker 1: starts out as on behalf of the people by the people,
Speaker 1: and they want to overthrow the regime that becomes authoritarian
Speaker 1: or dictator like, and then they themselves become the same
Speaker 1: thing they overthrew. It's almost like once they have power,
Speaker 1: it becomes so infectious that they just keep repeating the cycle.
Speaker 1: What is your opinion on why that happens. Is it
Speaker 1: literally just always because it's a tribal thing, or is
Speaker 1: it because they're they're just they're just so used to
Speaker 1: not being able to have any kind of power or
Speaker 1: control whatsoever, that once they have it, it's like it
Speaker 1: just gets to their head. They just can't they can't stop.
Speaker 1: They must take it all out at that point. Well,
Speaker 1: that that's a fantastic question. You know, maybe I look
Speaker 1: at you, like at George Washington. Probably out of the
Speaker 1: smartest thing George Washington ever did was quit after two terms, right, right,
Speaker 1: that just kind of set the precedent. And we we've
Speaker 1: had this precedent for two hundred and fifty years. While
Speaker 1: a little bit less years, we've had this precedent.
Speaker 2: Where for the most part we have this peaceful transition
Speaker 2: of power, right and for the most part elected officials
Speaker 2: at least they try their best to do the right thing,
Speaker 2: you know, at least that they're answerable to their constituents
Speaker 2: because if they don't answer to their constituents, they get unelected.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know the in in some societies, you
Speaker 2: don't necessarily see that they're they're when if you take
Speaker 2: a look at sad on the Saints, Iraq, there's only
Speaker 2: one party that was the Bath Party, right, and I
Speaker 2: guess it was nominally a democracy. I mean I could
Speaker 2: say you, I mean you could you could technically iron
Speaker 2: as a democracy if you want to get technical. They
Speaker 2: do elect their leaders, right, they do that. I think
Speaker 2: it's required in their constitution that one Jew and one
Speaker 2: Christian be in parliament for representations. They're not. It's not
Speaker 2: called the parliament. I can't remember the dar name of
Speaker 2: their governance, their governor structure right now. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: there's there's that, right, like there are nominally democracies. But
Speaker 2: when you get to the point where you can't actually
Speaker 2: affect change, I think that that just drives some people
Speaker 2: absolutely nuts.
Speaker 1: So it's to me almost like a really it's a
Speaker 1: false sense of democracy. I mean, when you have the
Speaker 1: same leader year after year after year, I mean some
Speaker 1: of these people going twelve years, twenty years, I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: Russia's allegedly, you know, they're elected democratically. Putin's been there
Speaker 1: for I couldn't even I just been there for so long.
Speaker 2: I I want to say since two thousands now, but
Speaker 2: weren't two thousand because he was he was president I
Speaker 2: think twice, and then Medev Medievev took over and then
Speaker 2: Putin took over again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but he's been there at least twenty at
Speaker 1: least twenty two to twenty somewhere between twenty two twenty
Speaker 1: five years that I don't remember the exact date he
Speaker 1: became into power, but it's around that. You know, it's
Speaker 1: been two decade. Over two decades, right, But we we
Speaker 1: see the situation where, you know, these leaders that come
Speaker 1: into power, don't they just don't want to relinquish it.
Speaker 1: And when the when the when they feel that there's
Speaker 1: change in the air, it seems like that's when they
Speaker 1: start turning the screw to their own people and then applying,
Speaker 1: applying the fear right to keep them in line. And
Speaker 1: since you did bring up Iran, so the thing is
Speaker 1: the thing we I need to understand about Iran is
Speaker 1: they're they're they're their own nation. They do command respect
Speaker 1: for who they are there right now, they've been the
Speaker 1: leading supporter of terrorism since nineteen eighty four, at least
Speaker 1: officially that's how they were labeled, right.
Speaker 2: Since Prizes nineteen seventy nine, well.
Speaker 1: Before, but officially nineteen eighty four. Is when they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, these guys are arg just state as supporter
Speaker 1: of terrorism?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Is is theirs necessarily? Do you think a religious war?
Speaker 1: Or is it just is that just nothing but a
Speaker 1: cover for their ultimate goal of being the power in
Speaker 1: the region because they used proxies to do their own bidding,
Speaker 1: Like they're not directly going out and attacking people and
Speaker 1: causing all of this, all of this harm and and
Speaker 1: all this chaos. You know, they get they get to
Speaker 1: have like the Mafia's that right, the boss would always
Speaker 1: have a buffer, so that their buffer has always been,
Speaker 1: you know, like these proxies. So how do we how
Speaker 1: do we hold a country like that accountable for doing
Speaker 1: those things? You can easily deny they never had direct
Speaker 1: involvement because they never really did anything except for recently
Speaker 1: between what happened with Israel and Iran, you know, with
Speaker 1: the bombings and but not the missiles. But before they
Speaker 1: weren't always recon fault. So so how should that be approach? Like,
Speaker 1: how how were they to be held accountable for their actions?
Speaker 1: But at the same time we allow them to thrive
Speaker 1: and develop and continue to grow as a society.
Speaker 2: Well, you bomb them. You did exactly what I look.
Speaker 2: I've often said, like you got, we got as a nation.
Speaker 2: We have to get back to our core competencies. And
Speaker 2: we're not very good at nation building, but we are
Speaker 2: really good at a bombing piece like that. That's one
Speaker 2: of the things where we really excel at. It's been
Speaker 2: that way since scott when Reagan operational Dorado Canyon, when
Speaker 2: we realized Kadafi was his terrorist leader. Uh. He blew
Speaker 2: up uh pan Am he pan Am flight over locker
Speaker 2: room in Scotland. He was helping fund the ira He
Speaker 2: was helping fund Uh. There was an operation uh to
Speaker 2: Iranian affiliated terrorists who blew up a disco in Berlin.
Speaker 2: I want to say it was Berlin. They killed a
Speaker 2: couple of US service members. There isn't even a situation
Speaker 2: where Easter and East Germany they caught some I want
Speaker 2: to say it was Iranian terrorists trying to smuggle a
Speaker 2: bomb on board and the bomb wasn't for the East
Speaker 2: German flight, it was going someplace else, and they're going
Speaker 2: to put the bomb on that plane, and the East
Speaker 2: Germans turn them in. They don't want those idiots in
Speaker 2: their country either, right, you know. But once we bombed,
Speaker 2: once we bombed uh Libya, Kadelfi shut up for a
Speaker 2: good let's say ten twelve years, yeah, roughly, you know.
Speaker 2: And look, the reason Iran uses proxies is that it's cheap,
Speaker 2: and that's actually probably one of the reasons why they
Speaker 2: lost their air battle against Israel. You know, Iran, they
Speaker 2: can't build an aircraft carrier, they can't build an ICBM
Speaker 2: and are continental ballistic missile that can reach the United States.
Speaker 2: But what they can do is fun terrorist organizations around
Speaker 2: the globe that can perform kinetic actions that can give
Speaker 2: them leverage over certain areas of the world like Lebanon,
Speaker 2: the Houkis, and Yemen Hasblahamas, right, so they can do that.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is that I think that the reason
Speaker 2: Iran kind of failed against these Israeli attacks isn't just
Speaker 2: the skill of the Israeli air force, which is undeniably skillful,
Speaker 2: but they were kind of putting so many eggs in
Speaker 2: the IRGC and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard corner basket. They
Speaker 2: were funding terrorist organizations all over the world that they
Speaker 2: were kind of neglecting the RSH. They were neglecting their
Speaker 2: own military, and you can see that just by looking
Speaker 2: at their jet fighters. I mean the jet fighters remains
Speaker 2: are from the nineteen seventies. I'm sure there's been some upgrades.
Speaker 2: And supposedly Iran they want to purchase a couple of
Speaker 2: suit thirty four's from Russia, like a deal went through
Speaker 2: to purchase these to thirty fours. I think they've got
Speaker 2: a single suit thirty four. I think they've got a
Speaker 2: single one because Russia is like, yeah, we kind of
Speaker 2: need these right now, no surprise, right. And a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, Russia helped Ron launch a satellite and
Speaker 2: UH I remember the spy satellite, and they said to
Speaker 2: Iran like, we're going to use this for a little while.
Speaker 2: Consider it a consider it a feet right, So yeah,
Speaker 2: the the UH I think that Iran's way to affect
Speaker 2: changes through the proxies, which was cheap. But for every
Speaker 2: proxy that you fund with a dollar, it's one less
Speaker 2: dollar that you can fund your conventional mil military with
Speaker 2: and that's how you get into a situation where you
Speaker 2: have this military that is essentially very brittal. Right, they
Speaker 2: can't even destroy Israeli planes coming into their own country, right,
Speaker 2: they can't launch sorties against Israeli planes that are flying
Speaker 2: into their own country. I think Israel established air dominant
Speaker 2: and then three to five days to the point where
Speaker 2: they're operating during the daytime, which is absolute madness. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: They obviously didn't have any fear of what Iran could do.
Speaker 2: No, No, they didn't have any fear. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of not how it's supposed to be. Like, you're supposed
Speaker 2: to have air sovereign to be over your own country,
Speaker 2: and after three to five days, I believe Iran didn't.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty big issue. And that's I think it's
Speaker 2: directly because they funded their proxies so much. There's essentially
Speaker 2: no money left over for their conventional forces, the surface,
Speaker 2: their missile forces, their air force. So you're you're you're
Speaker 2: running how to reduce capacity, and then you actually get
Speaker 2: into that fight and now you get smacked around by
Speaker 2: a country that's twenty times smaller than you.
Speaker 1: It's right, it's interesting, but you brought up Russia because
Speaker 1: the what I've seen, what I've seen happen with Iran,
Speaker 1: so out out the gate right, Pakistan is like, oh,
Speaker 1: we support Iran and we will back them and if
Speaker 1: we have to, we'll launch a nuclear weapon if we
Speaker 1: need to. So they Iran has these I don't even
Speaker 1: know if they're real allies or pseudo allies because Russia
Speaker 1: is supposed to be an ally. But what we've seen
Speaker 1: is we've never really seen Russia really come to their
Speaker 1: need necessarily. I know, Iran helped Russia in the in
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War by sending them like I think it
Speaker 1: was like technology like drones, different things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sad drones, okay.
Speaker 1: And and then same thing with China. China supposed he
Speaker 1: you know, says hey, they also stand by Iran, but
Speaker 1: China doing what China does. They haven't really done much
Speaker 1: or said anything outside of just saying we support a run.
Speaker 1: After the bombings, everyone got quiet. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a testament to still, you know, how strong
Speaker 1: the US really is in the world stage that people
Speaker 1: actually saw that, Okay, we're not we're not sleeping anymore.
Speaker 1: We will take care of things if we have to,
Speaker 1: or if Iran their true colors just came out and
Speaker 1: this whole thing has just been you know, one giant
Speaker 1: charad really, you know, in terms of what Iran can
Speaker 1: really do and what power they really have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, if you're Russia, what exactly are
Speaker 2: you going to do right now to support Iran? Much
Speaker 2: like that's that mean, like can you send aircraft? But
Speaker 2: you kind of need those aircraft right, So oh what
Speaker 2: do you do? Because I don't really have an answer.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I get it. It's just it just seems
Speaker 1: it just seems like they don't really have the allies
Speaker 1: they think they do. You know, as soon as as
Speaker 1: soon as the US did step into back Israel, which
Speaker 1: we always do, which it's gonna be another question for you,
Speaker 1: but it seemed like everybody just kind of stepped back.
Speaker 1: They just didn't want to get involved anymore. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think China is just watching all these conflicts, and
Speaker 1: just while they're doing that, they're testing the waters over
Speaker 1: there with Taiwan. Sorry Taiwan. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: said Taiwan. So Taiwan and also you know, also the
Speaker 1: Philippines and just recently, they basically laser targeted a German
Speaker 1: I think with a helicopter or some military craft when
Speaker 1: they were having an exercise out there. So to me,
Speaker 1: I think China is saying what people want to hear,
Speaker 1: while at the same time plotting to do what they
Speaker 1: want to do in the region. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: know they're end goal is to eventually take Taiwan. But
Speaker 1: you know, if Russia You're correct, obviously, it's like they
Speaker 1: don't have any means to really separate and and fight
Speaker 1: two wars. They just can't. I mean, they're barely even
Speaker 1: able to handle what's going on in Ukraine right now,
Speaker 1: and that's a much smaller country, you know, So I
Speaker 1: get you now. As far as Israel and Irando, I
Speaker 1: always ask I've asked a question by you know, two
Speaker 1: other guests that I've had recently, and do you do
Speaker 1: you believe at some point that Israel needs to stand
Speaker 1: on their own without knowing that the USA is going
Speaker 1: to step in?
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I know we're allies. I'm not saying we shouldn't help
Speaker 1: our allies, but there have been situations where and historically
Speaker 1: that they they have done They've done things that have
Speaker 1: really made it hard, right, especially for US. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at the geopolitical relationships, like what if
Speaker 1: we're in negotiation with another country or we're trying to
Speaker 1: do something to where we can improve relations, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Israel's another war with somebody you know,
Speaker 1: or there's another conflict. How do you feel about that
Speaker 1: or at least your opinion on that situation.
Speaker 2: Well, usually Israel doesn't necessarily start, right, you could say that,
Speaker 2: you know, one war that Israel I'm really trying to.
Speaker 2: I mean, really the only war that hasn't really started
Speaker 2: was nineteen forty eight, right, so kind of like what
Speaker 2: do you know, even the Siini can't say was the
Speaker 2: Siani campaign? Was that? I think that was instigated by
Speaker 2: Egypt and they were like, well, let's just keep going.
Speaker 2: You know, let's say when the Egyptian forces are collapsing,
Speaker 2: let's just keep going. You know, might as well keep
Speaker 2: going here. So I usually it seems like other people
Speaker 2: kind of roll in and and they cause trouble with Israel,
Speaker 2: and Israel decides to respond, and that's when they have
Speaker 2: to step in. Now, for the most part, Israel does
Speaker 2: and on its own when they need a little extra help.
Speaker 2: They can call the US for the most part. Like
Speaker 2: you look at Israel's air force and they were able
Speaker 2: to do a lot with I think it's eleven fighter
Speaker 2: eleven fighter squads, right, I think it's three F thirty fives,
Speaker 2: three F sixteen eyes well one of sixteen e welling laughs,
Speaker 2: F fifteen. I I think they have two F fifteen
Speaker 2: c's these squads A fifteen C. I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: this memory, but I think it's eleven squad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not a large, not a very large.
Speaker 2: Passive, but it's it's a respectable air force for the
Speaker 2: Reeds veritably, Yeah, paratively, and you know, like they can
Speaker 2: usually handle themselves. It's kind of when things got out
Speaker 2: of control that the US gets called in and you know,
Speaker 2: normally they don't start it, they shut us all, finished it.
Speaker 1: Well, history is shown they yeah, technically typically do not
Speaker 1: Typically in tech you don't start it. You're correct.
Speaker 2: Sixty seven sixty seven is a real startup, but only
Speaker 2: because they saw the Egyptians building up on the border. Right.
Speaker 2: They essentially took out the Egyptian air force in one day.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they're they're a powerful nation for their size.
Speaker 1: But it's still do you think we should always have
Speaker 1: to step in, because that's that's been that's been the
Speaker 1: rhetoric going around. You know, it's as if we shouldn't
Speaker 1: support Israel anymore. I think if we're no longer their ally,
Speaker 1: we lose a major position there in terms of an
Speaker 1: ally military position, everything.
Speaker 2: A major technical position. Same.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Look one of the reasons Israel and the United States
Speaker 2: when it came to Oman just their guitar guitar a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, when around launched all dismissiles, We've
Speaker 2: gotten all that data from Ukrainian intercepts, Like whenever Ukraine
Speaker 2: intercepts a Russian missile with a Patriot, we get that data, right,
Speaker 2: So we got a heck of a lot of data
Speaker 2: on the performance of the Patriot and the performance of
Speaker 2: the Patriot in Israel. We got a heck of a
Speaker 2: lot of data on that, right. One of the things
Speaker 2: that Israel helped create with US money was the iron
Speaker 2: Dome syst Well, now we have access to that tech.
Speaker 2: You know, iron Dome really isn't that useful for us,
Speaker 2: but we can use some of that tech to develop
Speaker 2: other systems that might be useful in the future. Another
Speaker 2: good example is the Trophy system. Trophy system is on
Speaker 2: I want to say, one hundred and fifty US tanks
Speaker 2: that are in Germany. Trophy system is kind of like
Speaker 2: an iron dome for tanks intercepts incoming rockets. Right, So
Speaker 2: we have this this tech transfer with with Israel that
Speaker 2: would be lost if they were no longer allies. So
Speaker 2: I mean, when you essentially have a country that's in
Speaker 2: a very bad part of the world's kind of willing
Speaker 2: to test out some of your weapons for you and
Speaker 2: bring back the data, wellck, why not do that, right?
Speaker 1: And then we would also lose some of that intelligence
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, absolutely so. And plus Israel is a democracy.
Speaker 2: You know, we need to be able, we need to
Speaker 2: support democracies around the globe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I just want to clarify that I
Speaker 1: that question wasn't to put you on the spot and
Speaker 1: have you say Israel bad.
Speaker 2: I was just want a.
Speaker 1: Dropeena because you know, there is as I stated earlier,
Speaker 1: as a sentiment that akabad right where the for the
Speaker 1: cause of all iron the world? And then now it's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's not support Israel anymore. Let's just let them do
Speaker 1: whatever they got to do and stand on their own
Speaker 1: and then you know, well, at the same time support Ukraine,
Speaker 1: which was never really an ally. But you know, with
Speaker 1: that situation, you know, we don't want to see the
Speaker 1: little guy get taken over by the larger aggressor right
Speaker 1: for no reason. So it's just like this whole, this
Speaker 1: whole thing right now, with the way the media is
Speaker 1: pushing their talking points in their narrative, it's like we're
Speaker 1: living in an upside down world. And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know where it's coming from.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's who is behind this propaganda. But
Speaker 1: you know, even on us soil, we have you know,
Speaker 1: people that are marching for Hamas. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: supporting the people of Palestine are stuck in the middle
Speaker 1: of the actual you know, people civilians that are that
Speaker 1: are being killed because of the decisions made by Hamas.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I don't understand how we can
Speaker 1: get behind to rist organizations to say no, they're actually
Speaker 1: the good guy. You know, it's America that's bad. We're
Speaker 1: the reason that all this is happening.
Speaker 2: I had a whole theory about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I just won Daro's coming from it is.
Speaker 2: I think I honestly, I think one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that the US are college students in the United States
Speaker 2: got so involved with the whole conflicting gaza was that,
Speaker 2: you know, these are students who for four years three
Speaker 2: four years, three years at least, they couldn't go to class,
Speaker 2: they couldn't wear masks, they couldn't go out on the
Speaker 2: date with a girl. Then all of a sudden, like
Speaker 2: here's this opportunity to meet other people in real life
Speaker 2: on a subject that they're passionate about. I'm kind of
Speaker 2: reminded of reminded of my old first sergeant when I
Speaker 2: first joined in nineteen ninety four. My first sergeant was
Speaker 2: like he told me he was a Vietnam vet. And
Speaker 2: this guy said, you know, uh what he used to do.
Speaker 2: He used to work at the Pentagon. After work, he
Speaker 2: would change into civilian clothes and he would go to
Speaker 2: the protests and in civilian clothes and like tell the
Speaker 2: girls that he was a soldier. And you know, he
Speaker 2: got he got to sleep with all sorts of girls
Speaker 2: that way because they thought, like, we're bringing them into
Speaker 2: our side. So if you're if you're a kid, if
Speaker 2: you're a boy, right, and you know you, uh, you've
Speaker 2: never kissed a girl before, and I've been out on
Speaker 2: a date with a girl before, and here's an opportunity
Speaker 2: to meet girls in real life. You don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about a mask, you don't worry about tender and
Speaker 2: they're passionate about this thing. Yes, I'll be passionate about
Speaker 2: this too. Can we go back to your dorm afterwards? Right?
Speaker 2: So I think I and I I I had, though
Speaker 2: I don't think I am. I really know, because it's
Speaker 2: it's it sounds like a very open and shut thing, right.
Speaker 2: It sounds like one of those things where you can
Speaker 2: go like, oh, you know, I'll do this thing and
Speaker 2: I'll get this girl, and you know, I'll be able
Speaker 2: to socialize with people. I'll be able to feel a
Speaker 2: part of something. I think a lot of these kids,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're if you're wearing a mask in
Speaker 2: high school for three years and you can't do organized sports,
Speaker 2: so you can't go to homecoming dance because of COVID,
Speaker 2: and then you go to college and now you have
Speaker 2: all this freedom and look at all the cool kids
Speaker 2: are out here protesting. I'm going to go protest as well. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it was was just I
Speaker 2: don't want to say, and there are some people who
Speaker 2: might feel genuinely bad, but I would not be surprised
Speaker 2: if there were a lot of kids I did a
Speaker 2: whole video about this who just wanted to make friends
Speaker 2: and this was just an easy way to do that.
Speaker 1: That's that's yeah, I mean, I'm that can it seems
Speaker 1: to track. I have another I have another person that
Speaker 1: mentioned that some of this support also is we have,
Speaker 1: you know, generations removed from at least the atrocities that
Speaker 1: we saw right with September eleventh, that don't understand what
Speaker 1: the US went through. And then you know, this new
Speaker 1: generation of people, these younger people in their lifetime hasn't
Speaker 1: haven't really seen the effects of true terrorism or or
Speaker 1: not even not on a broad scale like it used
Speaker 1: to be. It never really went away, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: as bad now as it used to be until recently.
Speaker 1: Now we're looking at this war between you know, Hamas
Speaker 1: and Israel, and this is the first time they've been
Speaker 1: able to see a conflict like this of this scale,
Speaker 1: and they don't know what to make of it. They
Speaker 1: don't know how to make the connection as to why
Speaker 1: amass is considered bad. You know, who really is Palestine?
Speaker 1: Elin's not a nation, you know, they were region. They
Speaker 1: were always referred to as a region, a region that
Speaker 1: encompassed a lot of other tribes and nations, not nations,
Speaker 1: but you know, tribes and other cultures together. It was
Speaker 1: always considered region, not a nation. So they don't get that,
Speaker 1: they don't understand that, they can't make the connection, so
Speaker 1: they just see, oh, this is bad, there's no reason
Speaker 1: this war should be happening. And then you also have
Speaker 1: Ukraine going on. But it seems like everybody, really the
Speaker 1: younger people, really attach themselves to this Palestinian or Palestine
Speaker 1: versus Israel hoss Israel war. And I think it's because
Speaker 1: they just don't understand or see what is behind it all,
Speaker 1: Like what is the true history, not just what they hear,
Speaker 1: Because it seems like this is really what pisses me
Speaker 1: off lately. Ryan. I don't know if you agree, but
Speaker 1: it seems like we're living through a period of revisionist history.
Speaker 1: You know, we got like you don't have to say
Speaker 1: anything because I know you can't, but I'll just say,
Speaker 1: you have guys like this martyr made guy who believe
Speaker 1: suddenly that Hitler's a good guy. You know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: all that bad and he said a few things, but
Speaker 1: all in all, his intent was good. And you know,
Speaker 1: Winston Churchill was the bad guy, and if it wasn't
Speaker 1: Winston Churchill, we wouldn't have had to go to war
Speaker 1: with Germany, et cetera. And it just makes you scratch
Speaker 1: your heads, like where is all this revisionist history stuff
Speaker 1: coming from? You know, it's really easy to be, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty forty years removed from something and then go
Speaker 1: back and say, well, it should have been done this way.
Speaker 1: You didn't live through it, You didn't understand what was
Speaker 1: really happening. So I believe that could also be what's
Speaker 1: going on right now. You know, we have a generation
Speaker 1: of people that have never really had to deal with
Speaker 1: this situation, and right now, with the way social media is,
Speaker 1: it's so prevalent you cannot turn it off. You know,
Speaker 1: every time you turn your phone on, it's another headline,
Speaker 1: it's another picture, it's another video, So that's fake. But still.
Speaker 2: I recall how there is this one college professor of
Speaker 2: an interview with him, and he's starting to realize that
Speaker 2: a lot of his students have no real concept of
Speaker 2: September eleventh, no, no actual concept of what happened that day,
Speaker 2: and so he'll actually play the phone calls from the tower,
Speaker 2: he play the video footage. He'll show like the horror
Speaker 2: of that day, and that kind of brings it home
Speaker 2: for a lot of these people who who were hearing
Speaker 2: their you know love you know, people call their loved
Speaker 2: ones and say goodbye, right leaving a message on an
Speaker 2: answering machine, having to say goodbye, which is like, God,
Speaker 2: I remember that day. That was a horrible, horrible day. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's one of those everybody remembers where they were kind
Speaker 2: of day. Everybody, everybody remembers where they were. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: got I remember just uh, you know, we were all
Speaker 2: like ready to go. Let's go. Let's go kill who
Speaker 2: were supposed to kill. I don't know, let's just go.
Speaker 1: It was one of those it didn't matter if you
Speaker 1: were in the military or civilian. Everybody was ready to go,
Speaker 1: pick up a pitchfork whatever. It was like, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to defend our soil. Yeah, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if we It's just it's just funny how throughout the years,
Speaker 1: we just lose that connection, you know, as as being
Speaker 1: Americans and being proud of who we are as a people.
Speaker 1: And it's sad to see where we're at right now.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope we could turn that around and
Speaker 1: bring back the pro American sentiment, not not isolationism by
Speaker 1: the way, just being more proud of who we are.
Speaker 1: And and I hope that we can understand why things
Speaker 1: were done the way they were done. It wasn't all
Speaker 1: bad intentions, you know. Oh, and it's a sad thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. What's next?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: What do you think's next with with Iran and Israel
Speaker 1: and where this is going to go?
Speaker 2: Ah, I don't think it's gonna go anywhere. No, No,
Speaker 2: you know, both sides are pretty much spent, you know.
Speaker 2: They they just don't have the internal resources. That's why
Speaker 2: when people said, oh my god, this is gonna be
Speaker 2: World War three, it's not. We don't. There's just no
Speaker 2: there's no capacity for waging a long war. Now. Granted,
Speaker 2: Israel is waging along war inside Gaza, but that's not
Speaker 2: as expensive as keeping aircraft running twenty four to seven, right, right,
Speaker 2: and you know, Iran doesn't have It's not like they
Speaker 2: can sail to Israel and drop the landing ships and invade,
Speaker 2: right true, there's no World War three, right, So I
Speaker 2: think what happens is both sides kind of take a breather,
Speaker 2: they take lessons from that. Iran is probably gonna they
Speaker 2: probably have a shopping list, but there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of people that can actually fulfill that shopping list. They're
Speaker 2: gonna need new surf scare systems, They're going to need
Speaker 2: new radar systems, and kind of one of the issues
Speaker 2: is that there's just no capacity around the world for
Speaker 2: them to gain the systems that they need to defend
Speaker 2: their airspace. You look at you look at Russia. You know,
Speaker 2: try placing an order for a missile system in Russia
Speaker 2: right now, right they're going to fill their orders first. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: Try placing a system for a missile system order from
Speaker 2: China right now. Well, they're going to fill their orders first.
Speaker 2: So who's left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, China is not concerned with anyone else having more
Speaker 1: power than that China.
Speaker 2: China is. China's always going to do it's best for China,
Speaker 2: and right now it's best for China's manufacturing weapons for
Speaker 2: a fight against Taiwan, right right, agree, that's what's best
Speaker 2: for China.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought we could have been on the
Speaker 1: verge of World War three. And the reason I thought
Speaker 1: that was what I kind of mentioned earlier, because you know,
Speaker 1: when Pakistan stepped up and they were right away going
Speaker 1: and oh, we'll use neicerent weapons that we have to,
Speaker 1: we'll do it. And then Russia right away stepped up
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, we're behind Iran and in so
Speaker 1: Dia China. But you know, it does make sense what
Speaker 1: you're saying, because from a financial standpoint, none of them
Speaker 1: could could enter into this and have an extended war,
Speaker 1: none of them, none of those nations whatsoever. I think
Speaker 1: I was more I would think I took it more
Speaker 1: seriously just because of what Pakistan said, you know, a
Speaker 1: shooting a nuclear weapon off. But who knows. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're probably right. It probably did come down to literally
Speaker 1: just finances, like there's just nobody could afford to do it.
Speaker 2: Nobody. Yeah, And I was not actually familiar with with
Speaker 2: Pakistan saying they're going to use the nuclear weapon, because
Speaker 2: when someone says we're going to use the nuclear weapon,
Speaker 2: the next question needs to be okay against whom, Like,
Speaker 2: what's the what? What is the I've often said this,
Speaker 2: there's really only four cases in what you'd use a
Speaker 2: nuclear web, right. That is to establish a breakthrough. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about a taxical weapons to establish a breakthrough. That's
Speaker 2: a valid use case. You blow up a nuclear weapon
Speaker 2: above a troop concentration. You do it as an air bursts.
Speaker 2: There's very little ground radiation or very little radio I
Speaker 2: could fall out, and you run your troops through that
Speaker 2: hole that you made in the front lines. That would
Speaker 2: be an ideal weapon for Russia to use against Ukraine
Speaker 2: if they had the troops to actually exploit a breakthrough.
Speaker 2: There's a second thing, which is defending a breakthrough, like
Speaker 2: when Ukraine went into curse, using a nuclear weapon on
Speaker 2: Russian taxical nuclear weapon on Russian soil, that would have
Speaker 2: been a good use case for using a nuclear weapon, right.
Speaker 2: It would have stopped that breakthrough like that, and it
Speaker 2: would have been on Russian soil that the world probably
Speaker 2: would have been mad, but hey, they blew up their
Speaker 2: own country, so that's okay. Right. The third thing is
Speaker 2: to use a nuclear weapon against the naval fleet American
Speaker 2: carriers in the Atlantic. That is an ideal use case
Speaker 2: or a nuclear weapon. The fourth thing is an amphibious landing.
Speaker 2: So if Taiwan or China lands on Taiwan using a
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon against the amphibious beachhead, that would be an
Speaker 2: ideal use case or a nuclear weapon. So when Pakistan
Speaker 2: says we're going to use a nuclear weapon against what,
Speaker 2: are you going to have exploded over Israel? Good luck
Speaker 2: with that?
Speaker 1: No understood? I believe with h No, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Where it came from, you know, it's where it came from.
Speaker 1: Was was the belief that when the situation was happening, right,
Speaker 1: it was all based allegedly on the fact that Iran
Speaker 1: wouldn't come to the table with their nuclear data deal.
Speaker 1: We didn't want No, the world does not want them
Speaker 1: to have a nuclear weapon or to develop one. So
Speaker 1: Pakistan at the time, and a lot of the other
Speaker 1: sympathizers of our we're always like, why does Israel he them,
Speaker 1: they're not even part of this agreement or this pack,
Speaker 1: why do they have nuclear weapons?
Speaker 2: Well, that Israel has a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1: Right, So that's what that's what the rhetoric was. So
Speaker 1: it was it was a response to everything going on
Speaker 1: saying if if Israel dares to launch a nucle weapon,
Speaker 1: if there's a nuclear weapon launched, we're going to launch
Speaker 1: everything we have and back Iran. And and that I
Speaker 1: believe that's where that came from. So, I mean, when
Speaker 1: a country or nation says, hey, we're going to use
Speaker 1: our entire nuclear arsenal if we have to, kind of
Speaker 1: makes me, you know, go, hey, well wait a minute.
Speaker 1: You know, we might be going a bit too far.
Speaker 1: But you know, to your point, you're right, it's like,
Speaker 1: who are.
Speaker 2: They gonna do? Yeah, what are they gonna do? Now?
Speaker 2: A good use case for a nuclear weapon in Israel's case,
Speaker 2: if they have them, might be all right, well, we
Speaker 2: want to reach Fourdoh, we can't reach Floridoh, so let's
Speaker 2: explod the nuclear weapon groundburst small fifteen twenty kiloton nuclear
Speaker 2: weapon against Foorid. Oh that'll take out Florida. Would the
Speaker 2: world be mad? Probably? But in some ways, like I
Speaker 2: think one of the reasons that Israel kind of kind
Speaker 2: of I don't want to say they screwed themselves, but
Speaker 2: when ten days after the ten days after the October seventh,
Speaker 2: there was an explosion at the it was the Urbia hospital,
Speaker 2: and the New York Times immediately publishes Israel dropped a
Speaker 2: bomb on this hospital, yes, and so then they and
Speaker 2: I like when I saw that, I was like, no,
Speaker 2: they did, and I kind of knew why. I watched
Speaker 2: the footage and all that and like that that was
Speaker 2: than the bomb from Israel. And it was later found
Speaker 2: out to be a missile fire by Islamic Jihad that
Speaker 2: just kind of fell short. And that that happens. I
Speaker 2: think twenty percent of all missiles launched against Israel land
Speaker 2: inside Gosy.
Speaker 1: Never really made it never hit Therom markin.
Speaker 2: Oops, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's that's an interesting thing. Abought the hospitals because
Speaker 1: it seems like there are two hundred and something hospitals
Speaker 1: in Gaza, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's fewer than that.
Speaker 1: But well, the way they're reporting it, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: just crazy that it seems like every other week there's
Speaker 1: a hospital being blown up. And how much of this
Speaker 1: is true versus just again propaganda, how much of that
Speaker 1: is just you know, trying to win the sympathy of
Speaker 1: the world and turn Israel into the big bad enemy.
Speaker 2: In some cases, I believe it's been true. I would
Speaker 2: have to go overreach each bombing case. But you know,
Speaker 2: if Daddy l daddy is in a hospital. Though hospitals
Speaker 2: are supposed to be exempt from attack according to the
Speaker 2: Geneva Conventions, kind of the issue that you run into
Speaker 2: is that if you are hosting troops in there, and
Speaker 2: I don't mean troops that have been wounded. And you know,
Speaker 2: there was a couple of years ago there was an
Speaker 2: attack against the hospital and I think it was Amnesty
Speaker 2: International said, oh, the Ukrainians were using the hospital as
Speaker 2: a best home, and like that's one of those well yeah,
Speaker 2: like because if you go to the hospital to visit
Speaker 2: your buddy, where are you going to eat? You're gonna
Speaker 2: eat at the hospital, right like that that's kind of
Speaker 2: stretching it as an excuse for attacking the hospital. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that just for the most part, you're not supposed to
Speaker 2: do that. And so if as it is going to
Speaker 2: decide to do that, they're going to go over there,
Speaker 2: uh there, Oh my god, I can't remember the darn
Speaker 2: word for it, but they're going to go over a
Speaker 2: procedure to decide how to actually strike this. They're going
Speaker 2: to do the weaponearing and say this is affect type
Speaker 2: of bomb because Daddy Elbaddie is on the third floor
Speaker 2: in the fourth room, So we're going to use a
Speaker 2: small diameter bomb that will just take out this one room.
Speaker 2: So you have to be very aware of how Israel
Speaker 2: is actually going to undertake these actions, and so they
Speaker 2: might do this, But what was the criteria for striking
Speaker 2: this particular target.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that. I think I think the reason
Speaker 1: people are so so peeved about all of it in
Speaker 1: terms of because it seems to be indiscriminate. That's you know,
Speaker 1: let's just say that's what it is. That's what people
Speaker 1: that's what people are gathering about, you know, from what's happening.
Speaker 1: Uh and and and the reason it seems this way
Speaker 1: is because Israel has proven that they can be very
Speaker 1: strategic and surgical when they want to be. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to Gaza, it's like it's it seems like
Speaker 1: they're just leveling the place.
Speaker 2: But a lot of that, a lot of the leveling
Speaker 2: is those are bulldozers, Those are D nine bulldozers. So
Speaker 2: those aren't necessarily bob buildings. Now, it doesn't make a
Speaker 2: difference for the person who's home is destroyed, right, But
Speaker 2: if you're in a platoon and you have to clear
Speaker 2: a house and you know there's a bad guy in
Speaker 2: that house. You're like, well, is this is this bad
Speaker 2: guy really worth my platoon's life. You might call in
Speaker 2: an air strike, or you might say, just get the
Speaker 2: dn I in up here. Uh, some of the D
Speaker 2: nine bulldozers are actually armored and uh they're remote controls.
Speaker 2: So the dnine just comes in, levels the house and
Speaker 2: move on to the next house.
Speaker 1: So you think a lot of this is is just
Speaker 1: a blown out of portion. You know, it's it's all
Speaker 1: for just getting eyeballs on news feeds and on social
Speaker 1: media posts.
Speaker 2: Possibly it works. Yeah, hey, you talked about God. There's
Speaker 2: that one guy who's saying Hitler was the good guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well look, get you on, Tucker Carls. Everybody else says
Speaker 2: Hitler is the bad guy, right, So Tucker Carlson, now
Speaker 2: I was all right, Well, if I bring on this
Speaker 2: guy says Hitler was the good guy, I'm going to
Speaker 2: get lots of people watching my show. I'm going to
Speaker 2: get lots of people talking about my showfa right, And
Speaker 2: he's always been fired from every job he's ever had.
Speaker 2: He needs news, he needs news, all right, and what's
Speaker 2: going to get the views well, talking about how Hitler
Speaker 2: is a good guy. Yeah, miss understood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know there's a lot of guys that are
Speaker 1: that are that are taking that stance and again trying
Speaker 1: to reread history. But you know that, to me, that's
Speaker 1: a whole other conversation. I mean that that's another rabbit
Speaker 1: hole that we can dive down. But I just think
Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous how people don't see what's going on
Speaker 1: and they're just they're just eating it up. They're just
Speaker 1: eating it up. I mean, it's so easy to do
Speaker 1: research these days. It's not like you have to find
Speaker 1: the library that might have a specific collection of books anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, the internet is vast. I mean you've got
Speaker 1: to vet your sources on the internet, but it's it's
Speaker 1: not as hard as it used to be to find information,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's as if they just take these
Speaker 1: people for their word just because they have a huge
Speaker 1: following or a podcast that's popular. But you know, nobody
Speaker 1: seems to be questioning what they're saying. They're just eating
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's some of that is some
Speaker 2: of that is the attention culture, right, Like you know
Speaker 2: when you have when you have some Instagram video, you know,
Speaker 2: you're scrolling through this thing. And that's how a lot
Speaker 2: of people get their news these days from Instagram. Like
Speaker 2: have you ever waked? Like, have you recently watched the
Speaker 2: evening news, ABS Evening News, ABC Evening News? Like once
Speaker 2: in a while, I might. I've tried the news. I
Speaker 2: watched the morning news. I do. I do watch the
Speaker 2: morning news to find out like the weather or hey,
Speaker 2: these roads are going to be closed in DC or whatever.
Speaker 2: I do watch the morning news. But for the most part,
Speaker 2: like when you watch the evening news, one of the
Speaker 2: interesting things you see is commercials for medication. It's like,
Speaker 2: literally every single commercials for medication. Why is that? It's
Speaker 2: because the only people who watch the news are old people.
Speaker 1: Enough, the only people well, you know, that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I don't watch mainstream news or televised news,
Speaker 1: because it's it's ninety percent commercials and advertising and maybe
Speaker 1: ten percent of actual content, you.
Speaker 2: Know, probably less than that, right, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say in ten minutes of commercials, I'm gonna say it
Speaker 2: seems like every.
Speaker 1: Time I'm watching it, I run into like, you know,
Speaker 1: ten commercials in a row, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they talk for thirty seconds. It's another ten commercials.
Speaker 1: It's almost as bad as watching an NFL game sometimes.
Speaker 2: So you have another issue that you kind of run into,
Speaker 2: is you have with the Internet. You have this hyper
Speaker 2: specialization when it comes to viewing content. So if you
Speaker 2: see someone's opinion and you like that opinion, well they're
Speaker 2: going to show you more things that are associated with
Speaker 2: that because they want to keep your eyeballs on you know,
Speaker 2: they want to keep your eyeballs on the on the screen. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Well, since we're talking about this, it's I've seen it
Speaker 1: with and I know you've seen it because you've been
Speaker 1: doing this longer than I have. I just started getting
Speaker 1: into video right and utilizing YouTube and rumble and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And what I've noticed is the difference between my audio
Speaker 1: podcasts and what works on YouTube are two different things.
Speaker 1: I could throw a two hour interview on YouTube and
Speaker 1: get almost views, but I've turned into a bunch of
Speaker 1: shorts and all. It's like you've got thousands of Look,
Speaker 1: I'm like what because people can't get past thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: and even within those thirty seconds for like they if
Speaker 1: they stick around for fifteen of those some can't, right,
Speaker 1: But in general, you know, I know, generalizing, but it
Speaker 1: just seems like everybody has a very short attention spans
Speaker 1: when it comes to video content. I've noticed anyway. So
Speaker 1: it's like I could have a two hour episode on
Speaker 1: a conversation on a podcast audio format that does extremely well,
Speaker 1: but then in video format it seems like everybody just
Speaker 1: wants to get right to it. It's like, where's the
Speaker 1: short at I want to see these little clips. They
Speaker 1: don't want to go through the whole thing and really
Speaker 1: take it. In the majority, I'm not saying all, but
Speaker 1: the majority, So I've noticed the difference. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy. And again, different audiences too, right, Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: people asn't audio or just an older generation of people
Speaker 1: that are used to just wanting to hear those long conversations,
Speaker 1: But it seems like the younger people or the newer
Speaker 1: generations are like, nope, I want to quick, I want
Speaker 1: to fast, I want to the point and I'm done.
Speaker 1: I want to move on now. That's what seems like
Speaker 1: that that's my opinion anyway, from my perspective. Yeah, So, uh, Ukraine,
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, we're about to us our time box, but
Speaker 2: I know, let's keep We're.
Speaker 1: Getting there, but before before we go, I wanted to
Speaker 1: get your opinion on what's going on with a sudden
Speaker 1: shift to send Ukraine weapons and support when Trump was
Speaker 1: against it or seemed to be no.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think that was President Trump. I think
Speaker 2: that was uh crap. I can't remember his name. I
Speaker 2: think there are some people in the d O D.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the specific guy's name, but he's a
Speaker 2: big China hawk, and I think that was him. And
Speaker 2: when Trump kind of realized what had happened, that this
Speaker 2: happened without his authority, I think he uh kind of
Speaker 2: put the kabash on that real quick. Albridge Colby, what's
Speaker 2: the guy's name, Elbridge Colby. He's a big we need
Speaker 2: to be ready to fight China guy. He's not wrong,
Speaker 2: but we can. We can do both. And kind of
Speaker 2: the scary thing here, The thing I've mentioned is that
Speaker 2: by supporting Ukraine, we are deterring China because we were
Speaker 2: saying we're gonna stand with our allies no matter what.
Speaker 2: So China, if you decide to take Taiwan, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have a.
Speaker 1: Bad day, right, And that was definitely in question for
Speaker 1: a while. Wouldn't we stand on the Hunter allies? It
Speaker 1: seemed like we wouldn't. But I mean we've definitely turned
Speaker 1: that corner and showed the world that we build.
Speaker 2: Well. One of the one of the huge issues is
Speaker 2: that there are a finite amount of weapons. We burned
Speaker 2: through a lot of interceptors. We burned through a lot
Speaker 2: of interceptors in Israel, and I think Lockie Raytheon has
Speaker 2: the capability of manufacturing five hundred and fifty factories per year.
Speaker 2: It's not a lot, right, No, And you know, I'd
Speaker 2: love to say, like, well, we should, we should fund
Speaker 2: that more, right, we should. We should put more money
Speaker 2: into developing missiles, should hire more people working at these factories.
Speaker 2: And that's great, But who's going to pay for that? Right?
Speaker 2: I agreed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So, so you know, in some ways, like maybe one
Speaker 2: of the solutions is maybe we need to look at
Speaker 2: a less expensive interceptor, right that has eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the capabilities. Right, Like I'm surprised andrel hasn't worked on
Speaker 2: something like that. Like here's this thing, here's this new
Speaker 2: missile we developed, It's one hundred and fifty thousand each
Speaker 2: week and make ten thousand of them. It'll fit on
Speaker 2: the pack three launcher and it has eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the capabilities of the Patriot.
Speaker 1: Is is supporting Ukraine with munitions enough? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you do you think because we first talked about this,
Speaker 1: and I think when you and I first talked was
Speaker 1: like back in January or so and so, do you
Speaker 1: think that at this point just giving them munitions and
Speaker 1: money is enough? Are we ever going to get to
Speaker 1: the point where you think we may have to actually
Speaker 1: get involved with real troops to push back on Russia
Speaker 1: just because there's such a much I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: a much bigger country. You know, it's a little different
Speaker 1: than the Israel Iran situation we're looking at. Russia is
Speaker 1: just so much bigger and has so many more capabilities,
Speaker 1: you know, at least depth anyway, right depth. So do
Speaker 1: you think we'll ever come to that or we'll just
Speaker 1: the support of munitions be enough?
Speaker 2: All Ukraine has ever wanted was weapons, Like they haven't
Speaker 2: asked for any troops, they haven't asked for anyone to
Speaker 2: come to their aid. Now, could they? Could we do
Speaker 2: something more like established the no fly zone that I
Speaker 2: mean back when the war first started, I made a
Speaker 2: video about that where like, look, it'd be really difficult
Speaker 2: to establish no fly zone because we would have to
Speaker 2: take out Russian surface stair missiles, would have to Now
Speaker 2: kind of the question there becomes like, well, could the
Speaker 2: UK and France establish a no fly zone? And they
Speaker 2: might be able.
Speaker 1: To do that, That is the question actually, right, and.
Speaker 2: No fly zone would would really help Ukraine because it
Speaker 2: essentially mean any missiles fired into ukraineould get shot down
Speaker 2: and they have the capability. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: have the ability to run a WAX twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven like the United States does, and you're gonna need
Speaker 2: those airborne warning control planes in order to detect those
Speaker 2: incoming missiles. But yeah, I certainly think that maybe establishing
Speaker 2: a no fly zone, at least from the European side
Speaker 2: of the European run no fly zone, that might not
Speaker 2: be a bad idea.
Speaker 1: So that in combination with the continued support of munitions
Speaker 1: and money to fund this should be enough, I think. So.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like I said, that's all they really wanted, right,
Speaker 2: give us the weapons we need.
Speaker 1: They never called for actual troops I agree, You're correct,
Speaker 1: they never did. I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: The other factor is will hooting back off eventually? You know,
Speaker 1: the longer this goes out, it goes on. But will
Speaker 1: he eventually back off?
Speaker 2: That's that's that's a good question. I you know, his
Speaker 2: his goal. The goal of Russia is to turn Ukraine
Speaker 2: into a satellite state. So one of two things is
Speaker 2: going to happen. They're either going to turn Ukraine into
Speaker 2: a satellite state, Russia is eventually going to collapse. And
Speaker 2: I actually believe one of the reasons that our strategy
Speaker 2: at one point during the early administration was let's get
Speaker 2: out of Ukraine. Let's just let Russia take it, because
Speaker 2: then absolute nightmare scenario is what happens if Russia and
Speaker 2: Ukraine continued to fight for the next four years, and
Speaker 2: then China invades Taiwan, right, and then Russia collapses, and
Speaker 2: now we have a collapse state with nuclear weapons. We
Speaker 2: have to go secure those weapons right now. The first
Speaker 2: time that Russia collapsed, people didn't leave their post, right
Speaker 2: even though they weren't getting paid or they didn't really
Speaker 2: know if they had a country anymore, they stayed by
Speaker 2: their post and they guarded those nuclear weapons. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's going to be the case if
Speaker 2: Russia collapses to the point where you have regional warlords
Speaker 2: who take over and you know, now they're not gonna
Speaker 2: be able to use those nuclear weapons because all the
Speaker 2: permissive action links are in Moscow. Right But eventually you
Speaker 2: can take the plutonium out of there, you can give
Speaker 2: it to another nation, they can build their own bob
Speaker 2: eventually some of all fear style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do you think do you think Russia
Speaker 1: may be on the ridge of plausiphist does extend any
Speaker 1: longer it keeps going.
Speaker 2: I think they could collapse mainly because you know, at
Speaker 2: some point there's just no there, there's they're fighting their
Speaker 2: own economy, so you know when right now.
Speaker 1: We're trying to stay ahead of it, right with this
Speaker 1: this war.
Speaker 2: So they're paying. So they have laborers and they have soldiers,
Speaker 2: and right now in the factories in Russia, like you
Speaker 2: can either join the army or you get a job
Speaker 2: at a factory, and so Russia is paying money. These
Speaker 2: are compracti key, These are not conscripted soldiers. These guys
Speaker 2: are being paid to join the army, and right now
Speaker 2: they're paying them enough money that people think, well, I'm
Speaker 2: going to roll the dice and run the risk of
Speaker 2: joining the army for all this this fucking full of money.
Speaker 2: And the issue is that some of the weapons manufacturing
Speaker 2: companies they can't find workers, so they raise wages. So
Speaker 2: now people go to the weapons manufacturing company instead of
Speaker 2: joining the army. So the army raises wages, so then
Speaker 2: the other companies raise wages, and they just keep raising wages.
Speaker 2: The Army raises and the French companies raised wages. I
Speaker 2: think twenty percent of Russia's economy is geared towards the
Speaker 2: war right now. And you know, one of the scary
Speaker 2: parts I've said is that if you turn that off,
Speaker 2: that's going to be a big problem because you can't
Speaker 2: just let's say Russia wins the war, right if they
Speaker 2: don't have a soft landing with their economy. There's going
Speaker 2: to be a huge issue, a massive issue, because you
Speaker 2: have all these people who they had a job one
Speaker 2: day and now they don't have a job, and maybe
Speaker 2: demobilize soldiers, and these soldiers they come back and yeah,
Speaker 2: they have a bunch of money that only lasts so long,
Speaker 2: right then they might drink it all a way. Eventually
Speaker 2: people You know, when you have a society and you
Speaker 2: just taught all these people how to use guns and
Speaker 2: they come back to their job, what happens, Well, people
Speaker 2: like that have always figured out how to get a gun.
Speaker 2: And Russia's gun laws are not the same as the
Speaker 2: United States, but you can buy a gun. So I
Speaker 2: think that's the kind of the nightmare scenario for Russia
Speaker 2: where let's say they win, but then they kind of
Speaker 2: lose as well because their economy collapses and we need
Speaker 2: to the point where you can only raise wages so much. Right.
Speaker 2: What is Russia's main export right now? Cold natural gas oil, right,
Speaker 2: and the rest of the world can only buy so
Speaker 2: much of that. So and a lot of their extraction
Speaker 2: equipment is made in the West, so they can't get
Speaker 2: spare parts for that. They also don't really have machine
Speaker 2: tool industry. A lot of the machine tool industry is
Speaker 2: in Germany, the Netherlands, the United States. China doesn't even
Speaker 2: have a real machine tool industry. We see and C manufacturing.
Speaker 2: So you're pumping oil as fast as you can for
Speaker 2: the hard currency that can that you can use to
Speaker 2: pay your people and buy weapons and keep this war
Speaker 2: going that at some point you're going to reach the
Speaker 2: limit to how much oil you can actually pump and
Speaker 2: things breaking down so there's less oil. So right, so
Speaker 2: they can only keep this up for so long, and
Speaker 2: I don't know how long that's going to be, but
Speaker 2: there is a finite limit to how long Russia can
Speaker 2: keep pumping oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. And then there's the other the
Speaker 1: other factor as to whether or not or when do
Speaker 1: the people start to really turn on Putin and not
Speaker 1: support them anymore, because for the most part, most Russians do.
Speaker 2: I can tell you when if Russia ever establishes a
Speaker 2: general conscription again, like they tried that. I want to
Speaker 2: say it was in September of twenty and twenty two.
Speaker 2: Russia did a general mobilization and the people hated it
Speaker 2: because there's always been this deal between Moscow, Saint Petersburg
Speaker 2: and Russian politicians, which is, do whatever the hell you
Speaker 2: want to, just don't touch our kids. Right, So, as
Speaker 2: long as the elite in Saint Petersburg and Moscow aren't
Speaker 2: being sent to the front lines, do whatever the heck
Speaker 2: you want. But the second your kids are being sent
Speaker 2: to the front lines, that's that's an issue, and that's
Speaker 2: where you get to actually see real change. You know,
Speaker 2: right now, the whole, the whole thing is being funded
Speaker 2: by taxes on these Russian oligarchs. They can't possibly enjoy
Speaker 2: those high taxes. They want to live in their mansion
Speaker 2: and buy their football teams in England and stuff, right right,
Speaker 2: that's not really good for them either.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I think we're at your time here.
Speaker 1: I'd love to keep talking to it. I can't keep
Speaker 1: you forever, so I appreciate that. Oh yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming back on man,
Speaker 1: and I'll see you in touch with you, but it's
Speaker 1: always informative and I like talking to you, so appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully we talk again soon. I know
Speaker 1: you're a very busy guy though.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
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