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Speaker 1: And Hello, how are you Welcome to the Big Podcast.

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It is Tuesday. Today is the seventeenth day of February,

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Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty six. My name is

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Tom Sullivan. We've got a very busy podcast for you today.

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Speaker 2: One.

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Speaker 1: We started off this morning finding out that the Reverend

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Jesse Jackson has passed away at the age of eighty four. Men,

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we're doing O Bitch yesterday. Robert Duvall, he lived in

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ninety five. I was surprised Jesse Jackson was eighty four.

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I thought he was much older. But and he's been

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saddled with all kinds of health problems over the last

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couple of years. So we've got that. We also have

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and finally some answers about the DNA on the glove

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at Nancy Guthrie's house. Talks with Iran. We'll get you

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up to date there, but let's start. Let's start with

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the with the news about Jesse Jackson. I had him

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on I had him on this show. Oh it was

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a long time ago, but yeah, he was. He was

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very nice and that was my days when I was

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at Fox, so he was he wasn't afraid to go

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on the other side. If you will. But the hard

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part about wrapping a story around Jesse Jackson is that

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Jesse Jackson has been in the thick of it regarding

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civil rights since he was in his early twenties. So

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that's sixty years of I mean a little bit of everything.

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I mean politics and all the various organizations that he started.

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But I mean he was there on the balcony of

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the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, Tennessee, in nineteen sixty eight,

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standing right next to Martin Luther King Junior when MLK

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was gunned down. So behind there was Ralph Albert Abernathy

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was Aaron, some other ministers and so forth. But obviously

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the sudden death of MLK jor left a vacuum, and

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Ralph Abernathy did some work. It was all part of

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the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and they did a little

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bit of this, a little bit of that. But the

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guy who stepped in that vacuum was Jesse Jackson, and

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he had a lot to do with basically building more

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organizations regarding the civil rights. He started something called Operation

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bread Basket. Andrew Young I'll play a clip that he

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talks about that whole story started Operation Push, which led

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to the Rainbow Coalition. He ran for president twice, in

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nineteen eighty four, in nineteen eighty eight. There's a lot

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of surprising things. Juan Williams also has a little bit

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about the fact that Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama did

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not have a good relationship, not at all. So let's

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start with Andrew Young. I had Andrew Younger on my

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program one time too. I was it was an because

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Andrew Young first, well, he was the mayor of Atlanta,

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but I think in those days he was the first

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black mayor even in the South, ambassador to the United Nations,

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I mean, the major civil rights leader. Let's start with

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him talking about when, because because Andrew Young is ninety

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three years of age and he sounds like he's still

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going strong. Here he is.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson. I met in Selma. He was still a student,

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and we had people backed up in the church because

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the police had pushed us there and to keep people

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from being hurt. I was standing and I've been there

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all day. And he came up to me that night

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and he said, look, I can hold this place for you.

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You really need to go get some sleep. And I

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was very grateful, and and then on. He was always

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a young man looking at how he could help somebody,

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and he helped me that night, and things went quietly,

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and I talked to doctor King and I said, you know,

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I'm not a young man last night. He's from Chicago.

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When we go there, we need to look him up.

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But he looked us up and we were good friends.

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We worked closely together, but liked the civil rights movement

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in general. There were always differences of opinion, and he

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had a northern view although he was really from South Carolina.

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He rallied to the problem that Chicago had almost two

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million black folk, but the products produced by black people

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I could not get on the shelves and the mainline stores.

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And so he started Operation bread Basket.

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Speaker 2: Trying to get I remember it was Joe Louis milk,

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and Joe Louis produced had a dairy in Chicago, and

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they would let him sell his milk in a black

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community and that was just unacceptable. And that was one

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of the first targets that Jesse rallied the churches in

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Chicago not to buy anything if they couldn't find Jois

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milk in the stores. They of course changed for rather

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rapidly and in a few years he had integrated the

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shelf space in the Chicago stores and that was the

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beginning of Operation bread Basket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was also the beginning of so Muchesse Jackson did.

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But I mean, you think that was the nineteen sixties

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in Chicago, in black neighborhoods, they would not allow this

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dairy farmer Joe Lewis what was his name, Jill Lewis

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to put his milk on the shelf of stores in

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black neighborhoods in Chicago in the nineteen sixties. So Jesse

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Jackson made it happen. Well, Wan Williams, who was at

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the time a reporter for the Washington Post, talks about

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when he was assigned to cover the story about Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 4: Well, clearly, Jesse Jackson and a man with you know,

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clearly a legend in the civil rights movement. But he's

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also a legendary figure in terms of American politics because

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he literally bridges generations. You know, he died today eighty

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four years old, but you go back to the nineteen

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sixties and there he was with Reverend King on the

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back balcony when Reverend King was shot. And he is

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the most notable ear of doctor King. And then you

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think about, you know, doctor King's work to produce the

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sixty five Voting Rights Act, and Jesse Jackson takes that

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mantle and he moves forward. In the seventies, he creates

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Rainbow Push. They pushed for a greater civic engagement for

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black people, greater corporate engagement. And then, of course, as

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you said, he runs for president in eighty four and

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eighty eight, and he was a great speaker. I covered

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him out on rallies and speeches. I even went to

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Cuba with him when he met Fidel Castro. And let

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me tell you, this is a great speaker. Now, the

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thing of it is, he couldn't He got along great

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with Bill Clinton. Clinton gave him the Medal of Freedom,

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but he had no relationship. Again, I go back to

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this idea, he crosses generations. He had a terrible or

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no relationship with Barack Obama and really was eclipsed during

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the Obama years kind of the height of black politics

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in America.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing. And yeah, during Barack Obama's presidency, Jesse

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Jackson all but disappeared. He was not to be seen.

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And you go back and what wan was talking about

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the fact that it's awfully hard. Like I said, the

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length of time that Jesse Jackson was a major civil

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rights leader in this country is so long it's awfully

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hard to find one little era. He spent his whole life,

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from his twenties till the day he died. But going

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back to this great relationship with Barack Obama, what was

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the reason for all this one?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that he had hoped that his son,

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Jesse Junior, you know, who was elected to Congress at

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one point, would kind of rise up and become the

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next Jesse Jackson. It just didn't happen. Instead, here comes

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a young man out of Chicago with no direct roots

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to the civil rights movement.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And that young man is Barack Obama, who you know,

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wins election to state Senate in Illinois and then runs

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for president. And I think Jesse Jackson felt like he

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wasn't respectful of him. And even in the way that

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Obama spoke about race, and he spoke about you know,

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joining hands working with whites, and Jesse Jackson was, you know,

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glad to work with you. But Jesse Jackson really was

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always speaking in terms of the black experience and when

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Barack Obama said that black men need to be more

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response in terms of their fathers and as in terms

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of being fathers. If you recall he said on our

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ear on Fox knew some awful things about than you

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know Canada Obama. So I mean this, these things happened,

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but it was never a comfortable relationship. In al Sharpton

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was much closer as in terms of being a lion

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to civil rights leaders in the black community for Obama

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than Jackson ever was.

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Speaker 1: I went back to a little researching, Associated Press came

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up with a number of key reasons why they did

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not get along, which is surprising. But apparently Jesse Jackson

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was frustrated with Barack Obama's He called it preachy tone

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toward black men and a feeling of being sidelined after

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all the work that Jesse Jackson had done on I mean,

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you know, out there on the streets, out there in

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the protest, out there going up against police lines, and

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he felt that as a veteran civil rights leader, that

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Obama was talking down to Black people, and so he

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made some pretty nasty comments about Barack Obama. Part of

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it was a generational that Obama focused on personal responsibility

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to black audience's Jesse Jackson thought was inappropriate that Obama

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was acting white, and that I don't want to get

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into well. He said in two thousand and eight on

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a Fox News interview that in an open mic, the

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hot mic, he said he wanted to cut Obama's shall

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we say privates off regarding his speeches to black audiences.

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So there was a generational difference, but that I don't

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think ever healed. The thing about Jesse Jackson was he

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knew how to promote civil rights and he knew how

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to negotiate with business leaders because he would go in

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just like the story about making sure that grocery stores

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and so forth it did not carry Joe it was milk.

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He integrated those grocery shelves very very quickly. Well, he

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learned from that, and he went on to basically say

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to businesses, unless you provide more jobs for Black Americans

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in your big company, and oh, by the way, you

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might want to make a donation to the Rainbow Coalition,

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unless you do these things, we're gonna have Black America

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boycott your business, and we're going to go out and

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make life miserable for you, and those businesses said all right.

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a lot of places integrated and raised a lot of

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money for the Rainbow Coalition. So, I mean a real

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legend in American history, and he really stepped into it.

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It was MLK who got the whole civil rights movement

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really moving. But with that vacuum when MLKA Jr. Was

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shot and killed, Jesse Jackson saw the opportunity and ran

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with it. So that's Jesse Jackson eighty four. May he

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rest in peace. The glove. Let's talk about the glove,

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because the glove they got the DNA back from the

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various labs. Remember there was two gloves. No, there was

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the glove the guy was wearing in that video. And

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then they found a glove. They found sixteen gloves, but

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they found one that looked kind of like it was

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maybe the same glove. So they ran it through a

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private DNA lab in Florida, and then they sent it

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up to up to the FBI in Quantico to see

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if there was any DNA that would show up on

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the Cotis system. And the CODAS system only has DNA

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from p people that are convicted felons primarily, and it

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came back today that no, there was it did not

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get a hit. There was no hit. And they also

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they have DNA that they found in the house of

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Nancy Guthrie, and that DNA also came back that there

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was no hit on Codas here is the sheriff of

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Speaker 6: The DNA on the glove that was found two miles

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away was submitted for COTIS, and I just heard that

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COTIS had no hits.

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Speaker 7: No hits on the DNA found in the glove. Correct,

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So you are no closer to a suspect as a

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result of the DNA test, at least.

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Speaker 6: As a result of COTIS.

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Speaker 1: So when they was asked, they're no closer, he said,

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he narrated to Koda. So, in other words, still still

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looking and what's their Probably I'm going to guess that

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they're taking the DNA that they found in the home

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and they're going to run that through a genealogical DNA operation,

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just like they did in the Coburger case. They didn't

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know they found DNA on that knife sheath, but they

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had no idea who that was. They ran it through

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CODIS and Coburger did not have a criminal record, so

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they came up with no hit. So they ran it

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through a genealogical DNA, and they came up with the

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family tree that led to Coburger's father, which led to Coburger.

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So I presume even though a lot of the law

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enforcement people are talking about the fact that they've hit

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a LULL, I would imagine behind the scenes the forensics

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people are working double triple time here is Josh Ritter.

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Speaker 8: I don't think there's an easy way of putting it

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that it's discouraging. These appear to be setbacks. You were

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hoping for some sort of hit, some sort of lead,

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some sort of way to move the investigation forward with

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that glove that they found. But especially discouraging is the

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idea that the glove doesn't even match the DNA inside

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of the home, so we can't even determine at this

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point if the glove is even involved or if it's

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just a false lead, just some random glove that was

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left behind. And the idea that the DNA, the unidentified

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DNA found inside the home, which is their best lead

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as far as the forensic goes, comes back to nothing

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in codis again, Yes, it's nice that they have a sample,

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but now they don't have any anything to do with

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that sample unless they're testing against people that they're detaining.

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was a kidnapping a residential burglary gone bad, I think

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it's really a distraction at this point because that person

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showed up with obvious bad intentions. He's got a mask on,

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he's got gloves on, he's got a gun, he's got

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a backpack. He's going inside that home to commit some

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sort of crime, and perhaps most likely some sort of

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crime of violence, whether that's kidnapping, whether or not he

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showed up to take things from the home, I don't

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think that gets us any closer to finding the individual

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or finding Nancy. And kind of quibbling over words or

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what his intentions were just seems like we're debating over theories.

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focus would just be on finding new evidence and finding suspects,

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which apparently at this point they have none.

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Speaker 1: Well, what he's referring to is again we'll go back

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to the sheriff, and the sheriff basically said, look at

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this is this wasn't a burglary gone bad. This was

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a targeted kidnapping. Here's the sheriff you just.

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Speaker 9: Had you and brief. I believe it's a kidnapping. I

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believe it was a kidnat targeted kidnapping. Yes, I believe

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whoever did that knew what they were doing to. So

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do you believe who they were after? Forty people a

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gun stores?

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Speaker 6: That's not true?

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Speaker 7: Okay, So have you narrowed it down to a few

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dozen or we.

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Speaker 6: Haven't narrowed it down to anything other than we have

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certain pieces of evidence that we're looking at to try

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to find this individual, whether it be DNA, whether it

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be that ring camera video, whether it be evidence at

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a Walmart that might lead us to somebody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm convinced that. No, they don't have a name

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right now, but they are the forensics people are able

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to do magic, and I suspect they are working very

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very hard on genealogical DNA and will probably surprise everybody

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just like they did with Coburger. Might take a few weeks,

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but it's I think they're on the trail of whoever

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that person was. Meanwhile, in Geneva, Switzerland, today the talks

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continued with between Iran and the US, and no, there

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wasn't an agreement. But they I think they're playing as

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I just do. They're saying, well, we let me go

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back and work on some of the more specific details

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of our conversation and let's get back together again in

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a couple of weeks. So that's where the Iran talks

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are right now. Is there on hold while the Iranians

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go back to Tehran to figure out what details they

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want to try to negotiate next time. Here's Dan Hofflin,

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former CIA station chief in Moscow.

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Speaker 10: Well, that would, first of all, be a failure on

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the part of Iran to negotiate in good faith. And

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the Iranians have been pretty steadfast. They just want to

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talk about the nuclear program. Their deputy foreign minister has

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demanded publicly that we eliminate sanctions as a precursor for

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those negotiations to take place, which isn't going to happen.

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The United States is also interested in focusing on Iran's

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ballistic missile capability and their material support to proxy terrorists.

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If indeed, Iran doesn't demonstrate any good faith, Although the

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latest reporting indicates that they may have agreed to some

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sort of a framework, we don't know the details, then

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the United States would be prepared to launch strikes potentially

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on what's left of Iran's nuclear program, perhaps against the

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Iranian Revolutionary Guard corpse senior leadership, to demonstrate that Iran

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really does need to come to the table. Hanging in

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the balance, of course, is this protest movement arguably the

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strongest one we've seen since the Green movement over a

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decade ago, and the question of whether if we were

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to eliminate sanctions, what that would mean by throwing a

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lifeline to this regime, what that would mean for the

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protests in Iran.

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Speaker 1: Amos Hokstein, who is a diplomat and negotiator, was also

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asked about where this is going with these talks with Iran.

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Speaker 11: We have a very strange set of talks, because on

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the one hand, we have talks that looks like they're

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today's at least talks round ended positively with a positive

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atmosphere and positive comments. In the background, the President the

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United States is threatening the Iranians with military action if

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they fail. The Iranian Supreme Leader is threatening the United

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States to sink our boats, and the Iranians had a

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naval exercise where they had to shut down the strait

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of her moves, which is of course the choke point

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through which a third of the world's oil goes through

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for a naval exercise. So it's these two different parallels

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at the very same time. I think both sides are

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looking to extend the talks and use the time to

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figure out what they actually want to do. Well, look,

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we have the think about why we got here. Iran

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has been an enemy of the United States, has been

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an adversary with clashes between the United States and Iran.

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Really threw proxies over the last several decades, and that's

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been happened consistently. Iran escalated its attacks against Israel, against

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American forces in the region after October seven at different flashpoints,

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and then during the demonstrations that the Iranian people had

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in January against the regime, they brutally massacred their own people.

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That is and remember President Trump said help is on

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the way, and that is what got us here. The

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threat to attack Iran militarily by the United States not

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a direct confrontation between Iran against the United States, but

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rather they were mastering their own people. And the question becomes,

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why should the United States go to war and what's

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the purpose of the war. I think that's what the

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military leaders are telling the president. We can destroy large

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parts of Iran, but we cannot tell you what happens

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on the day after, and that is giving them pause.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we have also learned some lessons from that.

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I mean, we'll see what happens with Venezuela. But you

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go back to Iraq. Iraq is a disaster. It is

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full of violence. Yeah, Saddam Hussein was kicked out, and

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go to Libya that also is a complete mess. So

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sometimes you have to stop and think, do we really

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need to overthrow the leader of this particular country. And

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one more that's going on. We'll go back to Dan

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Hoffman about Ukraine, because the talks are still going on

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about what to do between Russia and Ukraine. Here's Hoffman.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, listen, I hate to be pessimistic, but I think

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having served many years in the Soviet post Soviet evil

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Empire in Moscow maybe gives me the right to say it.

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I just don't know that I see any potential for

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negotiations to bring an end to the war. Putin's strategic

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objective is to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected government and install

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a puppet regime. War's end when both sides are too

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exhausted to fight, or one side wins. We're not seeing

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that Ukraine doesn't want to give up heavily fortified parts

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of the don Bass that Russia hasn't conquered out of

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concern rightly so that that would leave them vulnerable to

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future attacks. And so I think the question here is

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whether Ukraine has faced with just capitulate, which they're not

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going to do, or fight on for their independence. And

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that's where Europe and with the United States, is a

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backstop have to step in and make it clear to Putin,

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even more so than we already have, that the war

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is a loser and he needs to stop. But Vladimir

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Putin hasn't stopped. He's launched indiscriminate attacks on Ukraine's civilian

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population and the energy infrastructure, and the war carries on,

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I think, until we blunt the Russian army's attack and stop.

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But I think General Jack Keen has also made that

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point quite forcefully.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of all the international diplomacy and all the

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issues facing countries of the world, the Munich Security Conference

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has become quite the prominent place for world leaders to

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get together and talk about world security. Last year, Vice

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President J. D. Vance went there and ruffled the feathers

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of Europe talking about they got to get their act

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together and don't basically rely upon the US. Well, that

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caused a big stink. This year, our Secretary of State

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Marco Rubio is getting nothing but applaud from both applauds

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from both the left and the right, Democrats and Republicans

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going wow, he went over there and really repaired a

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lot of our real life relationship with Europe, but also

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was able to tell them to get their act together.

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So Marco Rubio is getting a huge positive coming out

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of the Munich Security Conference. And then in the midst

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of all this, AOC. This is a big miss because

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I know she's a big lefty and she's the squad

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and all these things that people put her down. But

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she's got to be strategically pretty smart politically to get

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from being a bartender to being not only a member

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of Congress but a prominent influential member in Congress. She

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has a lot of power. And so she goes to

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the Munich Security Conference and apparently she has been working

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for months with people that really know the ins and

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outs of national security issues. And she got there and

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the people at the Munich Security conference that we're putting on.

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That conference had her sit down and ask her a

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few questions. This is one that they asked about, what

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if China invades Taiwan? What will the United States do?

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This is AOC's well attempt at an answer. It's really bad.

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Speaker 12: Would and should the US actually commit US troops to

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defend Taiwan if China were to move?

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Speaker 7: You know, I think that.

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Speaker 3: This is such a you know, I think that.

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Speaker 12: This is a.

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Speaker 3: This is of course a very long standing.

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Speaker 7: Policy of the United States.

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Speaker 1: But what's the standing long standing policy of the United States?

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She doesn't know. I mean, I'm sorry, we've all been there.

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When you were in school somewhere, I don't know, third

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grade teacher calls on you. You're supposed to have read

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that chapter in the book, and you did not. So

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you stand up and you try to byes your way

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through it. That's what she's doing. Here's another shot at it.

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Speaker 3: Madudo was as a leader, he canceled elections, he was

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an anti democratic leader. That doesn't mean that we can

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kidnap a head of state and engage in acts of

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war just because the nation is below the equator.

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Speaker 1: Uh, she's talking about Venezuela. But if you know your geography,

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Venezuela is not below the equator. So she just kept

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stepping in it. And she looked foolish. She really did.

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Even Ben Shapiro though's the Well, of course he thought

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she did a terrible job.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, it's not our fault for noticing that

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she was horrible. My favorite conced here is that she

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goes abroad, she says a bunch of incredibly stupid things.

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And that's leaving me aside her general message, which was

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that there has to be class solidarity across countries between

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people who are poor and people who are rich. But

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put that aside. I'm sorry, but if you proceed to

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give an answer reminiscent of that famous clip of Miss

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South Carolina attempting to answer a question about the Iraq

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War from fifteen years ago, and you're on a national,

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international stage, that is your fault.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 12: She apparently prepared for this for months. According to Politico,

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she had had multiple sessions with Matt dust, who is

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Bernie Sanders's foreign policy advisor. Leave aside the advisability or

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inadvisability of going to Bernie Sanders's foreign policy advisor for

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your actual takes on the world. The fact that AOC

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spent months preparing for this and then proceeded to fall

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all over herself on basic questions and to place Venezuela

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below the equator. Again, that is your fault, lady. It's

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nobody else's fault. You were the one who went and obviously, look,

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she was taking her twenty twenty eight bike out for

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a spin. She hit the embankment, she flipped head over

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heels and went all the way down the mountain.

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Speaker 7: It's her fault.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's saying that. That's what it is, is that you

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have to go over there get your bona fides in

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order to run for president. That's how big the Munique

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Security Conference has become and since been bridled up. About

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the question about Miss South Carolina answering your question about

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the world map, let's let's let's just for old times sake,

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listen to it one more time.

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Speaker 5: Okay, recent polls have shown a fifth of Americans can't

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locate the US on a world map.

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Speaker 7: Why do you think this is?

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Speaker 5: I personally believe that US Americans are unable to do

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so because some people out there in our nation don't

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have thats. And I believe that our education like such

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as South Africa and Iraq everywhere like such as and

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I believe that they should our education over here in

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the US should help the US, or should help South Africa,

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and should help Diraq the Asian countries, so we will

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be able to build up our future.

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Speaker 7: For heart, Thank you very much, South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of the standard now for somebody who does

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not have a clue what they're talking about. So AOC

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gave it her best shot. And I really know, in

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all seriousness, I think this is the kind of thing

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that can change the direction of her future political career.

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I think she has big, big, big wishes, and I

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just think she just unfortunately those wishes may not come

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to fruition. But Wall Street had a positive day today.

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We'll give them some applause. The Dow up thirty two.

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Will take it up thirty two to forty nine thousand

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and five thirty three s and p up seven, Nasdaq

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up thirty one. So pretty quiet out there. Price of

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gold down one hundred forty eight dollars to four thousand

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and eight ninety eight and oil down sixty cents or so,

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just sixty two dollars for one barrel of oil. So

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thank you for coming by, have yourself a wonderful rest

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of your Tuesday. We will be back tomorrow and I

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hope to see you that