WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:04.120 So for my opening statement, the first thing I want 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:07.519 to do is me and Jay sort of have trouble 3 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:10.400 titling the thing because I don't think I feel like 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:15.519 we was missing each other. But it's about do we 5 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:17.280 have to keep Tora or not? So I don't know 6 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:19.480 if I don't know if Jay, as an Orthodox Christian, 7 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.480 believe they do keep Torah but Taurus. If anybody doesn't 8 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.320 know the first pub books of Moses, and it's the law. 9 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.120 Whenever the Bible says the law, it's referring to that 10 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.079 when it says the prophecy and the writings referring to 11 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:35.119 the rest of t knock. Now, secondly, as a tour 12 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.920 keeping Christian, I know that might come a shock. A 13 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:41.159 lot of people don't believe Christians can do. So I 14 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:45.280 already understand I have the unpopular position in this scenario. 15 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.759 I'm used to it. It's what I do, It's what 16 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:52.119 I'm known for. But somebody gotta do it. But with 17 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.320 that being said, I've probably been like one hundred of 18 00:00:55.359 --> 00:01:01.039 these types of debates. People minds rarely change. People in 19 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.280 the chat are gonna support whoever they are to support beforehand. 20 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.280 Their mind's not going to change. So then the question 21 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:08.959 is why am I doing this. I'm really only doing 22 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.519 this for the remnant, for the people that have an 23 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:13.840 open mind, just want to hear somebody out and hope 24 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:15.519 I get the same respect which the flack. I will 25 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:17.200 with a moderator that I gave Jay Diary when he 26 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:20.879 was on my channel. I'll let him tell us about 27 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.040 orthodox Christianity, without argument, without interrupting, without anything, because you 28 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.799 have the people are fair shy. Now, Jay Dyer, who 29 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:35.040 I like, by the way, he's known for debating, typically 30 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:38.359 when it comes to Christian history. He's very good at 31 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:44.239 that pierpoint blank. But this debate for me is really 32 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.879 just one question, and it's a question that everybody knows 33 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:50.040 I'm going to ask, and I don't have to play 34 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.799 a secret hand because nobody can sufficiently answer the question. 35 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:55.959 And Jay knows my question because I asked him this 36 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.560 publicly at an event, And it's about what Jesus said 37 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:05.599 and the Sermon on the Mount, and it's Matthew chapter five, 38 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.159 verses seventeen to twenty one, with verse seventeen being one 39 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:13.680 of the most popular things that Jesus said that Christians 40 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.159 had got a contest. Now, when I asked him this 41 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.680 in person. Let me just read the part until Heaven 42 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:21.520 and Earth past, not one job or till or trying 43 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.360 to know why it's passed from the law until all's fulfilled. 44 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.759 And the verse clearly tells you that all beings can't 45 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.960 be fulfilled or accomplished until Heaven and Earth past. That's 46 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.400 clear in the text, no other way to interpret it. 47 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:39.000 And Jay's response, I always remember at the event was 48 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.840 Luke twenty four to forty four, and I could be wrong, 49 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.199 so Overhill correct me in his opening statement, but he 50 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:47.759 tried to say that in Luke twenty four to forty 51 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:52.319 four it implied that everything had already been fulfilled. Now 52 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.439 that is clearly impossible since Heaven and Earth hasn't passed yet, 53 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.680 which no Christian would say Heaven and Earth has passed 54 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.120 because two Peter wants you of Heaven and Earth pass 55 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:03.039 and then we know Heaven and Earth doesn't pass until 56 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:06.000 Revelation twenty one if that's a part of your cannon, 57 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:07.759 but it doesn't matter what you believe in. We know 58 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.759 Heaven and Earth hasn't passed. And the issue with this 59 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.039 question is is simple. If I'm not taking it out 60 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.840 of context, then Jesus said what he said. Now, let 61 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.159 me predict how typically these conversations go. You tell a 62 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.240 Christian Matthew File seventeen to twenty one. They attempt the 63 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.719 first say is out of context. We read the entire 64 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.599 context together, and everybody knows I pretty much notice Summer 65 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:33.159 on them out by heart. And they then can't say 66 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.199 it's out of context. And then they run to Paul. 67 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.479 They go to Paul uh and they try to use 68 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.479 Paul sub constantly to argue against Jesus because you couldn't 69 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:43.680 take you couldn't claim what I said about Jesus out 70 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:47.319 of context. That's a very dangerous thing to do inherently, 71 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.400 But it's so beautiful that the Bible warns us about 72 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:55.360 these types of people. In Second Peter three sixteen, the 73 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:59.199 Bible literally says, ignorant and unstable people will take Paul 74 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.560 out of context and use them to their own destruction. 75 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.039 And Peter actually calls these people unscrupulous people that are 76 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.840 attempting to make you lose your firm commitment. And it 77 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:11.120 tells you that, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard. 78 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:13.360 So whenever people jump straight to Paul to argue with 79 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.959 Jesus instead of confirming or denying what Jesus said. I 80 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:21.160 find it to be very very interesting with Jay. I'm 81 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.160 going to assume he's going to go the more historical route. Well, 82 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.000 who gave you the Bible? Uh, and and and and 83 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.720 the Church has a correct interpretation and you can't interpret 84 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.439 it without the Church. Now, if I'm not mistaken, right, 85 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.040 I know a bit about Christian history, admittedly not as 86 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.079 much about Jay Dyer. I'm more so I know scripture, 87 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.519 I know the Bible. But if I'm not mistaken, the 88 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.199 council the first council for the cannon, and people don't 89 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:49.600 know the different cannons happened over there. The councils was 90 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.160 the Council of Rome, if I'm not mistaken, which was 91 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.639 in the late three hundreds, which could be wrong. That's 92 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:58.199 based off memory, though late three hundreds. I find it 93 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:03.360 interesting because Iranius and Papers was the last name. Papers 94 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:09.519 are Heeropolis. They clearly affirmed the gospels. Matter of fact, 95 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.279 Iranius was pretty much argue with people that was trying 96 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:13.839 to say only one of the Gospels are accurate, and 97 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.399 he was already saying all four Gospels are accurate. And 98 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:20.639 that was hundreds of years earlier than any of these cannons. 99 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.920 So the scriptures are the scripture, and I fly like 100 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:27.120 that's a side argument. I fla, it's a side argument 101 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:29.560 because it has nothing to do with the point. If 102 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.600 you believe that your church chose this cannon, and you 103 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:39.519 need to believe in what it says. So again, my 104 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:44.079 main question is Jesus simmon on them ount Matthew five 105 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.519 seventeen to twenty one. And I hope this question will 106 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.879 get answered, and I'm about to say it to y'all 107 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.800 off memory. Hopefully I'll get it correct. I did not 108 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.480 come to abolish the law or the prophets. I came 109 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.800 to fulfilled, and Christians think fulfilled means abolished, even though 110 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:03.279 he clearly said otherwise. And then he says, for verily, 111 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:07.839 I say unto you, not one jot or tittle shalle 112 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:12.439 in no wives pass from the law until all is accomplished. 113 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:19.279 And then he says that if you nullify one of 114 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.800 the least of these commandments and teach others to do 115 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.800 the same thing, meaning teach others to nullify one of 116 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.560 the least of the commandments, then you will be called 117 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.240 least in the Kingdom of Heaven. This is Jesus' words, 118 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.240 and this is talking about the future. So you can't 119 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.240 say this change when Jesus died on the cross, because 120 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.000 Jesus is clearly giving you something that's going to happen 121 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.639 in the future. He said, but if you teach keeping 122 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.360 the commandments and teach others to do so, and keep 123 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.279 them yourself, then you will be called great in the 124 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.439 Kingdom of heaven. For verily I say unto you your 125 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.959 unless your righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, 126 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.199 you challe in no case enter the Kingdom of Heaven. 127 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:02.040 And then for people that try to claim that he's 128 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.560 only referring to the Ten Commandments, that is impossible because 129 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.519 then right after this he goes on to do what 130 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:09.480 people call up a fence around the tour, or make 131 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.600 the law more strict. And in these things from the 132 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:16.240 that he takes from the law, almost half of them, 133 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:17.959 I'm not even in the ten Commandments to begin with. 134 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.560 So obviously he's referring to more than the Ten Commandments, 135 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.160 which he made clear when he said law or the prophets, 136 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.920 prophets or obviously after the law, this this consists. This 137 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.160 is what the to not consist of. So the context 138 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.160 is very clear, and I think this is an interesting thing. 139 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.920 So my one question is what did Jesus mean by that? 140 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:39.879 If I'm taking it out of context? My second question 141 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.240 is will you be called great or least in the 142 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:47.319 Kingdom of Heaven according to Jesus Christ? And I will 143 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:48.680 yield the rest of my time. I don't know how 144 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:49.519 long I just went. 145 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:57.079 Yeah, thank you for coming. Let's let's get into my 146 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.879 opening statement before I address some of the points that 147 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.959 Bryson made there. One thing I would say is that 148 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.560 the argument that I gave wasn't in the live event 149 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.959 from Luke twenty four. It was Luke twenty one, which 150 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.560 locates the context of everything that Jesus is saying in 151 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:17.279 that chapter about the destruction of Jerusalem. Because Luke's written 152 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:23.319 for a gentile audience. It's referring to that time period 153 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:26.040 that group of people standing in front of him. Jesus 154 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.759 says they would see all of these things fulfilled. And 155 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.679 Luke is very important because his account of the all 156 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:36.679 of that discourse the destruction of Jerusalem is more specific 157 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.120 for a gentile audience explaining what's going on. So all 158 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:45.759 those statements about not fleeing Jerusalem on the Sabbath that 159 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.639 I saw Bryson was kind of referencing on Twitter the 160 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.559 other day. Those are actually statements about the seventy eighty 161 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:55.559 destruction of Jerusalem, a very famous event that fulfills many 162 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:59.159 of these Old Testament passages about as Jesus says, all 163 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.720 things written and the prophets will come upon this generation, 164 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.840 that being the generation that he was speaking to. This 165 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:08.799 is why he says in so many places that the 166 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.200 Kingdom of God is in your midst. The Kingdom of 167 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.919 God is here, it is now, and the Kingdom of 168 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.759 God is identified with the Church in Matthew sixteen. So 169 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.840 the Church is that kingdom. It's established at Christ's ministry. 170 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.120 It's also established at the feast of Pentecost. And that's 171 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.360 interesting because if you look at Pentecost, it's another thing 172 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.159 that proves this point. Because I feel strongly that if 173 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:33.840 I were to read Joel, particularly Joel two, about in 174 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:36.480 the last days, I will pour out my spirit upon 175 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:40.639 all flesh, and your sons and daughters will see visions, etc. 176 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.039 Bryson in his exegesis, I feel like he would ascribe 177 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.320 that to the end times, much like he would describe 178 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:51.120 Luke twenty one in Matthew twenty four to be explicitly 179 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:55.000 or solely about the last days, and yet Joel two 180 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:59.879 is cited as fulfilled in the event of Pentecost in 181 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:05.080 Acts too, again powerful proofs of what we call partial preterism, 182 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.000 not full preterism, which is the idea that everything mentioned 183 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.559 is fulfilled. Events like the bodily resurrection, events like the 184 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:17.360 destruction of Satan, death and Hell being thrown into the 185 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.519 Lake of Fire, etc. Are clearly those things have not 186 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:23.200 been fulfilled. However, the destruction of the Temple, which is 187 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:28.440 an immense redemptive historic event, is a fulfillment of multiple 188 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.519 Old Testament passes, particularly the warnings that Israel is given 189 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.200 in the Law in Deuteronomy and in Leviticus about having 190 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:40.720 the Covenant curses poured out upon them if they reject God. 191 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.480 Their final full rejection of God was in the rejection 192 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:48.159 of the person of God himself, the Logos, when he 193 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.720 became incarnate. As John says in John One, in the beginning. 194 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.840 In the beginning was the word, the war was with God. 195 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.399 The word was God. That means that Christ is the 196 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.919 second person of the God, had eternally begotten to the Father. 197 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:00.519 As John says later in that chapter, that even when 198 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.240 he was walking around with us, he was in the 199 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.279 bosom of the Father. And that's why every chapter in 200 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.399 the Book of John goes on to describe either references 201 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.480 to the deity of Christ or to the deity of 202 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.080 the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So the 203 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.679 Book of John is a powerful testament in the New 204 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.519 Testament to the full divinity of Christ. And I say 205 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.080 that because, and I know the debate is not about 206 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.519 the Trinity, but Bryson does not accept the Doctor in 207 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.519 the Trinity. And that matters because we're going to see 208 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.840 who gave the law. It's Jesus that gave the law 209 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.200 to Moses on Mount Sinai, and Jesus himself makes this 210 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.279 very clear in the Book of John. Before we get 211 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.519 to that, I do want to talk about Bryson's statement 212 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.279 about the history of things. If Bryson is going to 213 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:51.080 argue that his chief contention is Matthew five, the Beatitudes, 214 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:55.159 and so forth, this assumes, yes, that Matthew is an 215 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:59.320 authoritative text, But there's nothing in Matthew's Gospel that tells 216 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.559 us that Matthew, the disciple of Christ wrote the book, 217 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:07.600 and certainly apo authorship is important. It does matter. In fact, 218 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.279 it matters a big It matters a lot whether or 219 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:14.519 not he wrote that, because he's supposedly an eyewitness and 220 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:18.480 a person there in the presence of Christ seeing all 221 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.360 of this stuff. And so Bryson is correct to cite Papias. 222 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.960 Papius is the earliest witness that we have that it's 223 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.960 Matthew the disciple. That's a Patristic tradition, that's not something 224 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:34.399 in the text itself. And so Bryson, without realizing it, 225 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:38.000 is relying on the tradition and testimony of the Church fathers, 226 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.440 whom he does not accept. In fact, he even cited Aeronaus, 227 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.960 and I had to get Eronaus off the shelf because 228 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.279 in Aeronaus's Against Heresies, who was a bishop in the 229 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:49.919 Orthodox Church. By the way, if you look at book 230 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.440 three of Aeronaus's treatise, written in one eight a d. 231 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:57.919 Aeronaus goes into depth talking about the tradition of apostolic 232 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:02.000 succession in the churches and how it's necessary to look 233 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.919 to churches like the Bishopric of Rome as well as 234 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:11.039 others to see that apostolic tradition is inseparable from the Gospel, 235 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.360 the deposit of faith, and thus knowing the scriptures. So 236 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:17.440 Bryson just admitted that he has to referred to Orthodox 237 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.440 saints and church fathers in the first few centuries to 238 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.120 even know that Matthew is part of the Bible. So 239 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.919 you'll notice this book here that we call the Bible. 240 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:30.720 It's made up of many many it's a book of books. 241 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.159 But this didn't fall out of heaven into Bryson's lap. 242 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.200 It didn't come to him in a vacuum. It came 243 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.639 to him historically. It was transmitted and passed down much 244 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.279 the same way that the Jews transmitted and passed down 245 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.279 not just the written Torah, but also the oral Torah, 246 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:49.879 which Jesus refers to incites in many places. And so yes, 247 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.519 my first challenge is that Bryson can cite passages, but 248 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.720 I need to know why on his view, I'm supposed 249 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:59.279 to accept that he even has access to or a 250 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.480 basis to know the right canon if he's divorced it 251 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.440 from the Church who made the decision to put that together. 252 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:08.840 And he's correct that one of the early witnesses to 253 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.840 the canon that we accept is the African councils that 254 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.320 are confirmed by Rome, the Canons of Carthage, the African 255 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:21.279 Code as it's called, that eventually passed into for the 256 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.799 Orthodox Church what we call the Council of Trollo, and 257 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.200 it's appended together in the fifth and sixth Councils according 258 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.919 to the Seventh Council. So the Seventh Council basically says, 259 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.399 we accept Trello and all of those canonical lists, and 260 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.519 that is in this book of the chaft set. You 261 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:40.039 can see it right here where it lists uh oh, 262 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.159 none of the books that a Protestant accepts, or excive 263 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.200 me a list of the dudocanonical books the Protestants don't accept. 264 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.919 Why does that matter, Well, because it just simply shows 265 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.960 that Protestants of all forms, all shapes have the wrong canon. 266 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:55.919 They look to the Church of History to give them 267 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.120 accurate tradition when it comes to people like or Irenaeus 268 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:06.120 in regard to citing the Gospels. But why does Bryson 269 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:09.240 care what Ireneus says when Bryson doesn't accept anything else 270 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.879 Ierinea says as a bishop in the Orthodox Church, what 271 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.399 we might cite any other church father that disagrees. So 272 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.639 what if one or two church fathers cites this or 273 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.240 that gospel. That doesn't tell me which one I'm supposed 274 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:25.000 to follow, especially if there's conflicting canons, and there absolutely are. 275 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.759 We can give multiple lists of canons in the first 276 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:30.240 six centuries of the Church. Now let's get back to 277 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.399 the Bible itself. The Torah was given to Moses. But 278 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:38.120 in the Torah, disputes are assumed to be something that 279 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:41.399 will occur for Israel, and so Moses set down a 280 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.399 pattern of how disputes would be solved. This is the elders, 281 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:48.840 This is the high priests, etc. Who are put in 282 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.240 place to make to judge. Ultimately at the beginning, it's 283 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:55.639 Joshua and the seventy elders in numbers eleven Deuteronomy twenty one. 284 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.559 This is why we see, for example, the laying on 285 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.200 of hands of Joshua and number twenty seven. This laying 286 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.799 on a hand and transmission of authority in the Old 287 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:08.879 Testament is precisely what Jesus does as the founder of 288 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:13.799 the true spiritual Israel, the fulfillment of historic Israel in 289 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.960 appointing apostles, which he says in Luke ten sixteen, He 290 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.519 who hears you hears me. That means that succession of 291 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:25.039 authority that Christ has, that by the way, he gave 292 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.639 the law to Moses, because he's the one that spoke 293 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.960 to Moses in John five. Especially when we get through 294 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:35.000 John five, six, seven, eighty nine, when Jesus is disputing 295 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:38.279 with the Pharisees. His argument against them is that no 296 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.240 one saw the Father in the Old Testament. In Exodus, 297 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.039 when there was the manifestation of God at Mount Sinai, 298 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.519 that was not the Father. He says, it was me. 299 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.840 Moses wrote about me, Moses and Abraham believed in me. 300 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.279 So he is identifying himself with the manifestation in the 301 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.840 burning bush. If you go back to Exodus and compare 302 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:05.200 that with Exodus twenty three, you will notice that God says, 303 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.839 I will put my name, my divine name of Yahweh 304 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:13.400 in my Angel, the messenger, Angel of the Lord, that 305 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:15.880 speaks in the bush that goes before Israel. In the 306 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:22.200 book of Exodus, likewise, Moses goes up on the mountain, 307 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.400 and according to Paul and Second Corinthians, he eats a 308 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:28.200 meal with God. Now no one sees the Father. So 309 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.319 Moses wasn't eating a meal with the Father. He's eating 310 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:34.160 a meal with the Lord, the Angel of the Lord, 311 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:37.519 the second person of the Godhead, who is a Theophany 312 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.720 in the Old Testament in many, many, many passes, dozens 313 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.920 of passages. We can go back to Genesis the appearance 314 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:48.200 to Abraham Genesis eighteen. Abraham has a meal with God. 315 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.440 He's identified as like Yahweh the Lord. How do you 316 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:55.920 eat with God? Oh, it's just like Moses going up 317 00:17:55.960 --> 00:18:00.319 on the mountain and eating the meal with God. Who God, 318 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:05.839 Jesus ergo, Jesus is the one giving the covenantal meal 319 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.480 there and the law there. This is the giving of 320 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:12.240 the Mosaic law. The point of this is that the law, 321 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:16.720 all of it, has a tilos, a purpose that Bryson 322 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:21.079 has missed. It is not can I talk the Gentiles 323 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.480 into believing in the ceremonial commands, in all six hundred 324 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:29.400 or whatever commands of the Torah, because we know that 325 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.079 that can even literally be kept because there is no temple. 326 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.799 In fact, Genesis forty nine predicted that when the Messiah comes, 327 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:41.720 the scepter will depart from Judah. That then comes Shiloh, 328 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.359 to whom the nations will look. That means one of 329 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.319 the signs of the coming of the Messiah is the 330 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:50.000 removal of the Davidic lineage. It ends. It's done why 331 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:52.599 Because he is the fulfillment of the david covenant, He's 332 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.720 also the fulfillment of the Noea covenant. The Noea covenant 333 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.200 is key because it shows us that righteousness is not 334 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.880 had by Mosaic law. It doesn't mean the mosaics law 335 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.599 is bad. It has a purpose, But Bryson has again 336 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.680 missed that purpose. Because Jesus is the living Torah, the 337 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.559 living Law, the New Moses. You see what about those commands? 338 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:16.160 Do we keep those commands? Yes, we do. In fact, 339 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:19.279 there are multiple references throughout the New Testament to all 340 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.200 kinds of ceremonial commands. Many of those ceremonial commands are 341 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:25.599 cited by Paul, for example, in Corinthians, when he says 342 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.000 not to muzzle an ox when he's treading out the grain. 343 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.880 How does Paul apply that? Paul specifically says, is it oxen? 344 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.319 God is concerned about ergo? No, He wrote that for 345 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.480 our benefit, he says, And the meaning of the passage, 346 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:47.839 the spiritual meaning of this ceremonial command, this penal sanctioned command. 347 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:51.759 In the book of Deuteronomy is that ministers, who are 348 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.400 symbolized by the oxen should have right to the field 349 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:58.640 that they work. They should be able to eat from 350 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:00.680 the work that they do. In other words, ministers can 351 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:05.599 make money. That's Paul's point. Multiple times we see these 352 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:09.160 principles applied in the New Testament of ceremonial passages that 353 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:12.079 are not done away with. They are still kept. It's 354 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.000 just that Bryson doesn't understand how they're kept. They're kept 355 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.680 in a different way than he thinks they're kept, and 356 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.000 in fact, his understanding of the Jewish interpretation itself is wrong. 357 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.640 The Mosaic Law was not given to the nations to 358 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:29.640 the gentiles. It was given to the people of Israel 359 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.440 for them to teach the nations about the true spiritual 360 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.599 pedagogy and meaning of the commands. Paul says in Corinthians 361 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:43.119 that uncircumcision and circumcision neither of these things matter. The 362 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.920 keeping of the law is what matters. So you see 363 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:50.319 later additions like circumcision and Mosaic law do not make 364 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.400 a person righteous, especially when the question is the inclusion 365 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.799 of the gentiles. Bryson may not be aware of this, 366 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:01.559 but his dispute. His question was already saw in Acts fifteen, 367 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:05.839 when they had the council describing and deciding how gentiles 368 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:07.519 could come into the Church, into the Covenant and be 369 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.039 made right with God. And the decision is that what 370 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:13.359 we ought not require anything more than was required of Noah. 371 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:17.640 If Noah could be made righteous before God before circumcision 372 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:23.119 and before the ceremonial laws given to Moses, then gentiles 373 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:27.039 can be in Christ on the basis of the pattern 374 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.160 of the Covenant given into Noah. It's a very simple argument. 375 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.720 And what did Jesus say, who hears you? Here's me. 376 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.119 The Holy Spirit is given in Acts two and Pentecosts. 377 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:39.359 That's the spirit that Jesus said in John sixteen he 378 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:41.359 would send that would guide the church into all truth. 379 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:46.480 And so unless he wants to himself pit Paul and 380 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:50.000 the Apostles against what Jesus said, then he needs to 381 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:54.279 understand holistic interpretation of the whole Bible. We don't just 382 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:58.279 read passages or chapters without understanding the context of the 383 00:21:58.400 --> 00:21:59.039 entire Bible. 384 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:02.400 Is that it one minute, the. 385 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:06.920 Entire Bible gives us a holistic picture and message from 386 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.519 Genesis throughout the Covenants, all the way up to the 387 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:12.720 New Covenant. You can't understand the totality of the Bible 388 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.839 without each one of those successive covenants. Paul says in 389 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:20.039 Corinthians that every one of those promises, covenant promises, is 390 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.640 yay in Christ. Christ is the Telos of the law. 391 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.519 That's why we don't have a temple. That's why we 392 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.640 don't do animal sacrifices. And so if Bryson had read 393 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:32.640 Hebrews or Galatians, he would know that the things that 394 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:36.039 he thinks are still applicable are actually fulfilled. And I 395 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:38.359 would go even further and say that not only does 396 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:41.119 he not keep them, the Orthodox Church actually does still 397 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:45.319 keep many of these commands because we have temples. Hebrews 398 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.880 thirteen says that we have an altar in the churches, 399 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.400 that those that serve in the tabernac will have no 400 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:54.359 right to eat. That means there's still an altar. Peter 401 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:58.039