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Speaker 1: Scary here the preacher man, Danny the lous and sary

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of the President, the Sena on the House and Jerys.

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Speaker 2: So Scott Buggy out me be please.

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Speaker 1: Baby.

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Speaker 2: He loved Scott bunny with me. Oh, I'm not I'm

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very skin I'm not my very ski that I kind

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of guy. And ar.

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Speaker 1: Cherry Cheery swimmer.

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Speaker 2: Chery, Jarry spread char shut stop Jerry's iberry.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's such a catchy tune.

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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. I mean, I guess I knew it would

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come this fast. It's coming on real fast. It's fascisms here, buddy,

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I think the most. The part that shocks me the

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most is that, you know, I thought, if we just

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got more more, more white people to talk about how

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they're privileged, maybe it would hold this back. You know,

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we just got more people to put pronouns in their emails,

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sign offs and do land acknowledgements. Maybe that would all

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that performative, feel good jerk off shit. I thought maybe

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that would Uh, I thought maybe that would hold back fascism.

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But apparently it wasn't. I didn't know I thought it

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would be. Apparently it wasn't enough. Now, yeah, we have

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secret police just shooting people and dragging them out of

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if you would just comply anyway, if you're not in

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the United States right now, I mean, the whole world's

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going to fucking shit. But you know whatever, I just

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had to put this stuff out there really quick for

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the people that always say, you know, the shut up

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and play equivalent that say just stick to botany. I

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just wanted to get them to stop listening. I'm just kidding.

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I'm just kidding. We could. We can agree to disagree,

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right There's there's always one or two of them, you know,

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there's always one or two.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I got to piss off everybody, you know, even the

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people that generally like what I do, even the people

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that may agree with me on most things. That's my

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goal is to piss off everybody, because everybody's full of shit. Okay,

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That's that's all we need to say really about. Uh

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this isn't a political podcast, but that we do need

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to talk about how it's getting hot out there. I

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got one of those friends who said he converted all

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his feat into silver. He's one of those guys. He's

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gonna be living in a bunker. Love the dude, but

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he's gonna be living in a bunker soon. He's always

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got various dude takes. I met him in New York City, like, uh,

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twenty three years ago. Really solid guy. He did time

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in jail. Wait when I saw him, when he got

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out of jail, he was fucking stacked. I mean he

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was like the most swollen I've ever seen him. Jail

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was actually really good for him, but it was like

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and the being a bullshit charge. They pulled him off

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the street for having a knife and he had prior,

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so you know, that's he did six months for that.

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It wasn't even that long. That was almost twenty years ago.

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But anyway, Yeah, how you doing. It's good, it's good.

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Things are going really smooth out there. They're going really great. Oh,

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this fucking species of crazy apes is never gonna How

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do the sociopaths always get in power? Everywhere? Everywhere? It

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is it's the same, you know, And then the people

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that are you know, you want in power, they don't.

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They never know how to be hard. They're too soft.

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how to be hard always fucking psychopaths. So it's a

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it's a yeah, I don't know, man, you know, hold

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your loved ones tight. Okay, the last podcast. It's been

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a month. Sorry, I had to take a hiatus. It's

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been fucking I've been overwhelmed with shit. I need to

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start saying no to things. I get invited to do

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these webinars and presentations and stuff and h and I

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just even though they pay, I have to say no

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because I just I need a fucking relax. I don't

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know how to And I got to get off the

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fucking coffee too, I really do. I need to stop

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with the coffee. I need coffee to wake up in

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the morning. I'm too dependent on it. You know. I

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yesterday along the Guadalupe River in Comal County, Texas, and

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uh oh, it's so fuck It's so gorgeous down there.

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It's just Texas is just Mexico. You want to piss

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off some Texans, make sure to say make Texas Mexico again.

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there's a lot of beautiful land there. Because they've they

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have not been able to you know, it's not all

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privately owned, so you can't just you know, maybe the

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older steward of the land passes away and then their

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children don't give a shit. Their attorneys or some horrible thing,

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no offense to any it. They're actually you probably full

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of attorneys. There's only a handful of them out there

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that are that aren't ship bags, you know, and my

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attorney is one of them. Right, But uh, you get

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to go into that fucking field, man, that's got to

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be just so dry and joyless that the only thing

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you have left is to just wish for money and

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try to get as much money as possible, and you're

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just this shell of a person. Uh yeah, I don't,

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land and tell when it's all private, you know, then

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of course it's anything's up for sale. Everybody's a whoa,

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everybody's a whoa. So the temptation is just too great.

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you're gonna sell it, why the fuck not? And you're

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gonna cash in and uh and then so it just

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bit by bit, whereas if it's if there's BLM land

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get maybe hoard out to mining companies, et cetera. But

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you know it's not going to be sold off and

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turned into a data center or a Uh well, I

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can get turned into a soul from there's all kinds

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of the whole thing is you just you want to

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keep land public and in the collective, and you want

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to make room for the other life forms that exist there,

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right because it's part of the living machine that keeps

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the land alive. But that's far too much foresight for

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most humans today. What are we doing? It was Son,

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Saysar and Uh, we were driving through where the fuck

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were we hit dollgo or something, and he just he

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forget what I think. Maybe it's on the outskirts of

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corrector I frege where the fuck we were? We were

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developed areas down there, because a lot of it's still agrarian.

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what are we doing today? It was like, what the

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fuck are we doing? Like it's a species, you know,

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billion of us and going up. But last I spoke

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to you all out there, Welcome to an episode of

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the crime Pace Bunny Doesn't Podcast. By the way, last

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I spoke to you, I was in Hidalgo. We ended

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up going down to Wajaka and seeing Fukyria purpussii. What

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a fucking epic habitat growing on this karst on this

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like you know, hard limestone, Fukiria Purpussia. The tree okatillo,

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a totem pole, a photosynthetic green stemmed totem pole blooming

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little anthra appendages. Did you know the Okatillo family his

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sister to the Flox family.

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Speaker 3: Did you know? I don't think you knew that. I

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don't think you knew that you can download the angiosperm

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phylogeny poster. I think if you go to the crime

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KAO tour page at the bottom there's a coarse materials

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and see that it's sister to Polomonyac, to Flox family

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and the order Raic Cayley's, and you can really see it.

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the flowers between like Fukyia purpussii and.

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there in Tucson messaged me to tell me that Fukyria,

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the World Online. So they were so similar in flower

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publishing bulletin of the Tory Botanical Club.

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think now probably got removed and destroyed from the fucking

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real their God damn, that's spicy Karen Realtor who moved

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in and destroyed the illegal garden that I that I

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city I live in to plant to the city living

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in South Texas to plant street trees. And it's fucking

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this is going to be an ongoing, long battle. I

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can already tell, because they just hate trees. I put

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this post up saying that, you know, the people in

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South Tech, the dominant culture in South Texas, not everybody,

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nature's messy and it means snakes and uh and you know,

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they hate it. It's just just referred to as monty.

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you're so right. And then there were like one or

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two who were like, no, it's not. They were just

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like complete denial, you know, like my Abolita has my

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my Abita has she has got she's got a potted euphorbia.

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crape myrtles on the site of her driveway. She don't

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hate nature, she loves it. She she loves plants. I

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love plants. I love plants, right, you love you love plants? Right?

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Speaker 3: The horticultural bullshit to get some fucking petunias and then

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you see actual thorn scrub that evolved in the on

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the land where you live, and you shit your pants

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and start crying and freak out and want to bulldoze it.

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I've seen anywhere. Maybe Florida could, I think like the

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they and they've really but you know what they love Lately,

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what's been going on the cultural leaders, the the uh

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stewards of the culture down there, the political leaders which

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people and the citizens. They're mostly shills for business, you know,

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from that. Then they put in their own pockets somehow

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or use for campaign donations. Very little of it actually

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goes back to the citizenry, but you know, order to

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improve the material lives as a citizenry. But actually that's

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not true. They just built the little park for the

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kiddies in there where I live. That was nice. It

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must have cost a few million. Yeah, so you know,

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of course, you gotta be in hyperbolic. You gotta take

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it with a grain of salt. I'm a little full

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of shit too. I'm just a little anger. But but yet,

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but that you know that they they've really been into

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these led billboards lately, that is the big thing. Those

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are going up everywhere, so we can ruin the night sky.

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We can just more like mental and visual pollution and garbage.

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And again I bring this up. You think about growing

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up in a place where these are the tenants. It's

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all just commercialism and pavement. And you wonder why there's

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mental health crisises. You wonder why people are assholes. You

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wonder why everybody's miserable. You wonder why people lead unfulfilling lives,

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and uh, when you really get down to it, are

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unhappy and want to die, which I think is just

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what is a Willy's I'm at Willy's house. The fucking

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fridge is going on, and know what's going on? You

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got these? You got these? You get these? L E

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L G F it what is this thing that's what

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made a little beeping sound? Anyway, you know, this is

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why it's COVID was so good. It just shut everything down.

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I really shut the fuck up for you know, the

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mild people got to experience happiness for a while. And

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then half the country, well the whole country went nuts.

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Half the country went nuts one way and it's still

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wearing masks outside, and then the other country went nuts

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the other way, and you know, just totally started shitting

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on the entire idea of vaccines of any kind. And

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I'm just basic courteous, courteous behavior. So you know, the

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courteous behavior was somehow i'mpinging on the freedom the whole.

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What I'm trying to say is that the whole United

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States culture right now is just a toxic soup, and

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it's You're just much better off just trying to go

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into nature quote unquote in nature the living world as

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much as possible, and learn about that. Teach yourself a skill.

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Young people write me and I ask what should I

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do to get into Bondie. I said, you don't really

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want to waste money going to these expensive universities. Go

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to community college if you really need to get some

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Take a geology class, get it, you know, establish the

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geologic time scale. We should teach children that in first grade.

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And then you know, get get the basic classes down,

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science classes, shit like that, and uh, don't waste time

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on philosophy. Well, my philosophy can be I guess nice.

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You maybe take one philosophy class, you know, but you

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want to do it a community college where it's cheap.

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You just want to have the material in front of

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you and be forced to sit down and look at it.

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Make sure you stay off the social media because it's

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addictive as fucking it will ruin you, or at least

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heavily heavily mitigate the effects. Of it, you know, keep

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it to a keep it to a very mild amount,

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and then uh, you know, go and get it get

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like uh, you know, electricians are making a lot of

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money right now, learn to do learn a trade, right,

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and you should do something like electricity is cool to

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learn about. That would be a good thing to learn about,

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very useful skill. Or go into welding, right, but always

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keep your foot in the outer world of you know,

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teaching yourself botany or geology or physics or whatever the fuck, like,

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make sure you keep training your mind right, exercise your mind. Fucker. Anyway,

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So back to uh, where where did we last leave?

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You had dog, But we went to Wahawka after that

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found some wonderful uh early Cretaceous fossils, fern fossils coming

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out of this sleep eroding hillside the main road between

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the main highway between uh Puebla and Wahaca that ends

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up going through no Chistlan. That is that's just the

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fucking that's that's where a good stuff is, you know.

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And of course this limestone is just incredible and all

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this stuff is endemic to limestone. I saw trixis pringly eye.

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Another trixis species yellow flowered member of the astracy. You

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know what, the smelly leaves smells really good. Trixis is

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a great plant. Trixis inula we get up here, and

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Trixis californica in central and southern Texas. And then there

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Wasnahwatlia hypoluca formerly goch Nadia, which is a tree member

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of the sunflower family as Tracey, but the ecotype down

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are in Wahaka. I mean this was growing with Fulkyia purpussii.

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Fukyria purpussi I was growing with Fukia purpussii, and it

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it looked like a much different ecotype. The thing that

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struck me so much about the thing that struck me

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about so much of Mexico is that so many of

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the South Texas members of the flora like Karwinsky, Humboltiana,

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Cordia basierra Senegelia berlandi raye and Nhualia hypoluca, Jatropha dioeca,

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on and on and on and on. What was it?

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Cobralinia was down there too, of course, so many of these.

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I want to see that rare Cobralinea that grows in Bolivia.

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There's a rare one. I think it's Cobralinea Hala canta. Anyway,

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you know cobralinea from the mustard order, Brasickele's you know,

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you know, you know Jimmy Nosas, he used to work

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down at the car wash over there. It was just

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the front that he had down Aaron Melrose Park. But

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the thing that struck me was that so many of

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these floristic associates, these species that you see in South

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Texas also grew down all the way down to Ojaca.

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Most of them were certainly in Hidalgo, but a few

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went all the way down to Ojaca. Oh, Mandavilla. There

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was a mandavilla species I think was mandavilla Joajakana. And

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we get mandavilla andanu genosa and Mandevilla hypoluca in West

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Texas and mandevilla. Oh god, what's the other one. There's

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another one Patty Manning used to grow. But anyway, all

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these plants you know, grow in Mexico to their Mexican

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plants that basically make it into Texas and Texas is

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really Mexico. I'm going to just start referring to Texas

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as Mega Mexico. It's that Jersey Zerdowski quote which I'll

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read to you here in a little bit. But so

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many of these plants were growing in Mexico, but they

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looked ten times healthier in Mexico because they're growing at

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five six thousand feet elevation. And it makes me think

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like maybe they were only in the only reason that

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they were in Texas to begin with, it was because

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of the place is scene cooling. You know, you had

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how many, how a few hundred thousand years of cooler,

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drier temperatures and glaciers up north. The whole time the

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glaciers were up north, it was of course cooler and drier.

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I mean it was cooler and wetter in Texas. I

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don't know, it was milder climate in Texas certainly, and

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then before that, like two million years ago, it was

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probably more like lowland tropical flora in South Texas. And

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it really makes me curious to know, like what was

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what was the flora of Texas like two million years

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ago before the place is seen cooling? You know, what

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was it? Like, what what are the what are the

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microfossils the pollen fossils from from uh that layer reveal

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what was growing here back then? Because I feel like

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a lot of the stuff that like you look at

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Senegelia berlandier I, like we get it at Thorn Scrubs Sanctuary,

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tops out at two feet and it looks and it's

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leafless half the year because it's so dry. But then

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you go to Hidalgo where you also have a dry

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season and there are cacti and there's you know, it

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was growing with mortillo cactus there, but you've also got

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a wet season as well, and it's milder. It's like

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it's much cooler. And you're at six thousand feet elevation,

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so right there with the elevation, just because the air

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is there, that's always gonna make for a milder climate

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to begin with. And then the Senegelia air is yeah,

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it's like the guahillo there is got a main trunk.

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It's more robust, it's more vivid green. It looks healthy

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as fuck. It almost looks like a different species. But

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then you see it flowering and you see those little

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fruits that it's got the legumepos it's split apart, and

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you're like, oh shit, this is yeah, this is just guahio.

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But this is a healthy guahio. I'm not used to

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seeing them perpetually stressed, like you see them in Texas,

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and you'll see, you know, in Texas, they'll grow and

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they'll get lush, but they're always growing as like a

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multi stemmed vase shape to like fifteen feet and then

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they die back during the really hot dry spells because

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we're lower and hotter and drier. And yeah, it's wild shit, man,

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it's wild to tough to think about, but I get

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so curious it makes you want to read more axel Rod.

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You know, I got a couple of his books, uh,

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you know, Daniel Axelrod. I got the Miocene Flora of

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Western Nevada and Origins of the California flora. And you

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got to look that guy up. He wrote a couple

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of good books about you know, and he was a

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paleobotanist before anything else. But he was really interested in

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exploring where axel Rod was really interested in exploring, you know,

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how landscapes change over time. And of course the landscape

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is composed of nothing else but the plant species. Sure

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there's animals too. We don't have any interesting This is

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a fucking bodany podcast. I don't have any interested in animals. Okay,

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what do I look like a furry Hey you sick

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fuck I'm uh you know, my interest is in the

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base of the whole fucking pyramid, the plants, the connection

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to the sun, and so plants compose these landscapes, and

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they of course change and shift over time. So you know,

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I was thinking, I was walking through this, you know,

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bleak typical, like bleak Texas Strip Mall. We were going

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to Hbos had to get dog food and I was

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looking at they had a senna planted. I forget which

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senate was, but it was a Mexican senate and I

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was like, oh, this is a native sena and Willie

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was like, no, it's it's not a non native. Well

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where's it from. He's like, oh, it's from Mexico. And

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that's that's that's basically a native, you know, like the

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distribution may have shifted southward for a few hundred thousand years,

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but it'll be back here. If humans weren't here, it

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would be back here anyway. Mexico. Again, Texas is just

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part of Mexico Floristically. Don't think like a human, right

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some some presumably more of it on the conservative side

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of the political spectrum. Some person wrote me in response

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to a Mega Mexico quote, and they were like, well,

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it's why aren't they call American plants? Everybody. This has

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nothing to do with recent and I mean last few

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thousand years geopolitical designations. This is these lineages have been

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around for exponentially longer. Quit thinking like a human right,

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zoom out more. Come on, this is nothing. This, this

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shouldn't even be a point of contention. If we're on

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the same pager, you shouldn't even make this a fucking,

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you know, political thing. That'd be fucking small minded and stupid.

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You're looking at two too recent of a timeline. And

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so with that we'll go into this Jersey Risadowski, he

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was a I think he was Polish, and then he

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was actually in the Holocaust and then moved to Mexico

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at a very young age and became one. He became

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the first and foremost botanist of Mexico. And he just

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passed away a year or two ago. Rest in peace.

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What a fuck. I would have loved to have met

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that guy. God damn man, and I had lurked around you, noam,

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I've looked around Nam plenty of times. The Science building,

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you know, I bought a couple floras. I bought Flora

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of the Way of will I own and Flora of Baja.

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Uh there or a checklist. Excuse me? They were I

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think it was a catatogo. But I never met I

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never met the mister Szardowski. I think I'm still pronouncing

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his name wrong. I used to pronounce it Risadowski. I

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don't know how. I don't know how you pronounced it.

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You know, there was always a problem growing up in

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Chicago with the check and Polish last names. There is

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you couldna have somebody's fucking the vorjak. We had missed

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the vorjak. She was a music teacher. She's probably dead now,

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all right, p missed the vorjak too. She used to

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beat my ass. You know, not really, but you know

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it felt like it. She could be a real you know,

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she was a real tough cookie man. You don't know,

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fucking around in music class. I'm probably sure that. I'm yeah,

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I probably did a lot of fucking around. But anyway,

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let's read this Jersey rigid Zardowski quote. On the other hand,

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it's important to remember that the geographic distribution of organisms

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generally ignores the political divisions of the planet's crust, and

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is instead frequently linked to the delimitation of natural regions

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defined by physiographic, climatic, edaphic, et cetera conditions. To be

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consistent with such circumstances and to account for many true endemisms,

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it will be necessary in this chapter to extend the

464
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,039
country's borders, and thus the term Mega Mexico will be

465
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,279
used when including parts of the arid zones of Sonora, Chihuahua,

466
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,720
and Tamalipus, which belonged to the United States of America,

467
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,640
the term Mega Mexico two when covering the Central American

468
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,400
territory as far north as Nicaragua Semi Colon, and the

469
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:42,039
term Mega Mexico three to include both areas Jersey Zardowski Diversitied,

470
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:48,400
Jorgenes de la Flora, Fanarogamica del Mexico, dew Mexico Mexico.

471
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,400
Excuse me, so, what a fucking I've read that? That

472
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,079
fucking because I always say that, you know, the plants

473
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,160
don't give a shit about human ape ideas of political borders,

474
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,920
and so the more you travel and the better lens

475
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,359
you get on, the better and broader lens you get on.

476
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,200
The floristic composition to the landscape you live on. The

477
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:13,319
more enlightened you become about how things may or may

478
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,759
not have looked. Yeah, five hundred thousand, a million, two million,

479
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,440
ten million, it's a little far back ten million, but

480
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,039
two you know, two million years ago, and how things

481
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,279
change and how how they respond to geology and climate

482
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,400
and uh you know, uh oor a graphic uplift, et cetera,

483
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,279
not just thorographic but orogenic uplift, So the building of

484
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,720
mountain ranges as well, not just the rain shadows. It's

485
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,240
amazing that so many people still don't realize, so many

486
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,279
United States people still don't realize that basically all of

487
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,160
Mexico is at elevation is a four thousand feet or above,

488
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,200
often six seven thousand feet, right, most of Mexico's at

489
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,960
six thousand feet. The hot dryer areas are three or

490
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,519
four thousand feet. Three thousand feet is really fucking hot

491
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:04,160
in Mexico. Four thousand feet's a little milder, but you're

492
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,400
still gonna see a lot of the cool you know

493
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:11,920
cacti that you know, small cacti, cactoid cacti. And then

494
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,000
even it's six thousand feet, you're gonna see a lot

495
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:17,200
of the columnars still and it can be pretty dry,

496
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,920
you know. And so it's six thousand feet but you're

497
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,160
fucking eighteen twenty degrees latitude, so you're still really close

498
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,960
to the equator, really warm. So, uh, it's elevation. You

499
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:31,720
got to think about that elevation, man. And most of

500
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:35,039
Mexico is that elevation. Because you've got the Sierra Madre

501
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:37,920
on the west and the Sierra Madre on the east,

502
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,079
two different mountain ranges, and you got the Trans Mexican

503
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,519
Volcanic Belt to the south. You got a whole bunch

504
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,960
of tectonic stuff going on, you know, compressional forces that

505
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,799
uplifted the central Mexican plateau and then of course built

506
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,920
the mountain ranges on either side, the uh Serra Madre

507
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,720
Occidental is generally volcanic, Cia Madre or thala is generally limestone,

508
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,240
and then the trans Mexican volcanic. But you know, we

509
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,799
found some wonderful fucking obsidian last time I was, you know,

510
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,759
I loaded my bag up with rocks, nice obsidian popping

511
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,079
out of the fucking roadside. It was. It wasn't like

512
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880
a fresh obsidian pible. You can find in northern California

513
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,960
where you could tell like, oh wow, this came out

514
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,359
in the last few thousand years, like ten or twenty

515
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,400
thousand years. Like, no, this stuff was older. This is

516
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:28,119
like last five hundred thousand years. It was buried in mud,

517
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:35,160
in red mud, basically degraded pummice, degraded tiny pummus gravels.

518
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,000
And so I brought a bunch home to Brink to

519
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,920
give out the people, you know, to give to give

520
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,200
to friends. But god damn man, such so much interesting

521
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:50,119
flora down there, and still haven't seen such a lanthis,

522
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,279
which is another monotypic genus and family in the Brassicicles.

523
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,559
You should go back and listen to that Brassiclees podcast,

524
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,599
the Must Order podcast I did with my friend Mackenzie Maybury,

525
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:09,920
doctor Mackenzie Maybury, about because brass Achilles has a lot

526
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,839
of monotypic families in it. It's fucking weird. Cobralinea, such

527
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,160
a lanthis, Tiganophyton. You know what's going on over there?

528
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,839
You get these evolutionary jumps where suddenly something so so

529
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:28,000
new and so different from what came before evolves that

530
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:31,160
it goes into its own family and then it but

531
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,440
it never really speciates. So is it new or is

532
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,640
it just is it that new that hasn't had time

533
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,920
to speciate yet, or it just has not there was

534
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,000
no evolutionary push for new species to develop, or it's

535
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,599
always just stayed so localized and hasn't been subjected to isolation.

536
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Obviously in the case of cobralinear that's not true. Well,

537
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,200
Cobralinia has got a couple. I think there's two species

538
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,920
now with that Bolivian one. But it was used to

539
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,559
be clumped. It used to be lumped in with Cobralineus spinosa,

540
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,839
which is fun stuff to think about. I love thinking,

541
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:03,519
but much more pleasant to think about this kind of

542
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,519
shit than about you know, what's going on in the

543
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:06,359
human world right now?

544
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

545
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,519
Speaker 3: Don't don't watch too many videos of ice kidnapping people

546
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,039
and beating the shit out of people on your phone

547
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:18,400
because it's I did that. I did yesterday and it

548
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,119
just bummed me out. Oh I don't need this stuff.

549
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,880
I know what they're doing out there. I don't need

550
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,319
to see it. There's nothing I can do about it

551
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,319
from here. I got to just take a fucking break

552
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:29,799
from it because it's it's fucking me up. Anyway, let's

553
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,640
do a little reading list. We'll do get to some

554
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:33,759
of the books I've been It had been in my

555
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:38,640
bookshelf Lately got the service Burry Abundance and Reciprocity in

556
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,079
a Natural World by Robin wall Kimer. You know which

557
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,200
is you know the amount of people that have told

558
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400
me to read Brading Sweet Grass, It's at the point

559
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,079
now where I can't I shut down when they tell me.

560
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,960
But but you know, obviously Robin kimerra has done a

561
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,359
lot of wonderful work, and she's gotten a lot of

562
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,240
people jazzed to the living world. And and you know

563
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,839
this book. A friend got this for me. I'm like

564
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,240
ten pages into it. You know, I read like a

565
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:16,440
typical add a typical add case. But but I'm it's

566
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,279
really stoked to read this one. It's a short one,

567
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:20,599
it's only what is it like one hundred It's a easy,

568
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,039
easy read. And I've seen some really wonderful interviews with

569
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,759
her where she says she calls it the same thing

570
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:30,480
I do, the living world. So you know, I would

571
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,079
love to get her on the podcast sometime, but I'm

572
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,000
sure she probably wouldn't touch me with a ten foot poll.

573
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,880
She got a very soft voice. You know, she's a

574
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,799
little bit very different in demeanor than me. But that's okay.

575
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,759
We're reaching different target audiences in mine is much smaller

576
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,119
so but anyway, but that's a good one. The service

577
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:54,079
bury Abundance and Reciprocity in a natural World, Misskeuith. This

578
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,759
is an old one that was published in twenty eighteen,

579
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:59,319
and Arboreal Love Affair by Gary Paul Neban. I think

580
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:01,319
he's the guy. Is that the guy that wrote the

581
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,480
Desert Smells Like Rain? Is that him? I think it's

582
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,000
the same guy based out of Tucson. Cited to read

583
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,839
this too because a lot of people hate mesquit, at

584
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,799
least in Texas. And then I went back to one

585
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,599
of my old favorites by my favorite author that there

586
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,200
ever was Nelson Algren, who actually spent five months in

587
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,519
the Brewster County Jail in the early nineteen thirties for

588
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,279
stealing a typewriter from Suell Ross College. Good for him.

589
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:31,720
The Texas Stories of Nelson Algren, edited with an introduction

590
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:36,039
by Bettina Drew. This is a dark book. It's dark literature,

591
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,319
but it's real and it's good and it's you know,

592
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,119
I guess he was fucking right. He was riding freight

593
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,839
trains around the thirties, ended up in Texas and then

594
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,279
had a lot to say about it, which how could

595
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,799
you not? And then somebody sent this book to me,

596
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,319
which I'm stoked to read too, Salt Lakes in Unnatural

597
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:01,000
History by Caroline Tracy, which there's a number of what

598
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680
the fuck, it's a number of saltlate. It's not just

599
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,480
about the Great Salt Lake in Utah, of course, that's

600
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,440
where that's chapter one. But you know, she's covered a

601
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,519
whole bunch of different stuff in here. She got Walker Lake, Nevada,

602
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:20,320
Owens Lake, California, Lake Texcoco from Estadade, Mexico. She got

603
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:24,920
Zuni Salt Lake in New Mexico. She got Lake Mackay,

604
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,639
Mackay somewhere in the Western Australia, Northern Territory. Wouldn't that

605
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,519
be nice to be in Western Australia right now, far

606
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,400
away from all this stuff that's going on here right

607
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,079
now in the US. She got the Salton Sea. Oh,

608
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,800
she goes to Kazakhstan. She's talking about the Aral Sea.

609
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,920
She got. Chapter three is on an arrow Sea in Kazakhstan,

610
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:44,840
definitely don't want to be in that region right now,

611
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,920
no offense. It's like the cradle of civilization. That's where

612
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,599
all this fucking nightmare started. No thank you, but I'll

613
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,960
be happy to read about it. Mono Lake, California. So

614
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,840
it's about It's about briny lakes, often in very arid

615
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,119
agents because that's where you get briny lake because you

616
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:07,159
get water weathering, chemically weathering the rocks and then washing

617
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,559
into a basin or bowl and then evaporating and leaving

618
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:16,239
behind precipitating out all its minerals, evaporating before it can

619
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,400
carry those minerals out to the season, so you get

620
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,880
all the salt lakes and stuff, right you ever you

621
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,440
ever go down to Owens Lake. I don't know why

622
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,000
I'm getting I don't know why I'm getting turned up

623
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,559
right now. I'm sorry it is that was that problematic?

624
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,119
How aggressive I just spoke to you just now. I'm

625
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,679
really really sorry. God made it a point to never

626
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,000
spend more than five minutes around people that talk like that. Okay,

627
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,960
here we go, keep going, Let's keep going, and now

628
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,480
let's move on to other writer subjects. And I need

629
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,239
to be careful talking about this because I've already been

630
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,559
threatened with the defamation lawsuit for bringing it up. But

631
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,280
a very dear friend of mine, a man who I

632
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:58,159
respect immensely, was diagnosed with something akin to dementia recently,

633
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,079
and he had, prior to this established him and his

634
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,559
wife had both established a twenty two hundred acre preserve

635
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,559
in the West Texas Desert with incredible plant diversity on it.

636
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,719
And before his wife passed away, who was an amazing woman,

637
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:22,039
really really cool, kind loving and very intelligent woman, she

638
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:26,880
passed in I believe April of last year. You know,

639
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,199
they had this preserve that they had essentially set up

640
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,760
and that he had willed to a nonprofit conservation institute.

641
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,400
And I had been basically told I could go there

642
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:38,960
whenever to study the plants there and keep track of them,

643
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:43,920
et cetera. Now, the amount of plants on this property

644
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:49,840
and plant species in this property, how rich of a

645
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,920
site it was is hard to describe. And you know,

646
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,960
it's one of those places that, like God, you thank

647
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:56,559
God it's protected, or at least I thought it was.

648
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,320
I don't have access to it anymore because because he

649
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,159
is unreachable, his daughter moved him out of the home.

650
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,920
He was living in after his wife died, and has

651
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:11,239
now made herself put herself in charge of the property

652
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,239
and is denying access to myself and possibly to other researchers.

653
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,079
I don't know. I gotta be careful what I say,

654
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,679
because defamation is only the case if you're saying things

655
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,760
that are untrue. If you're saying things that are true

656
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,519
and actually happen, then it's not defamation. But she's really

657
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,239
mad at me. She's very spicy, she wears a lot

658
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,679
of eyeliner. She looks she doesn't look like a very

659
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,159
happy person. I've met her before in person. We got

660
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,679
along fine, and then, you know, after two months of

661
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,320
repeatedly asking her for access and informing her that I

662
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,519
priorly prior to that had access and her just ghosting

663
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:49,760
me and ignoring me, she finally responded and then threatened

664
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,039
me with a defamation lawsuit and said I forget what

665
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:54,840
else she said, But she was not kind, you know.

666
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,719
She did spoken like a true attorney, which really goes

667
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,920
back to my prior what I had said before about

668
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,039
attorneys in general. And so another friend of mine, who

669
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,360
is a researcher who had access to it but also

670
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,400
lives two thousand miles away, and this woman knows that

671
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,360
asked her for access, and she said he could visit

672
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,480
to do research there. I was, for instance, I was

673
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,760
going to write a paper on West Texas and South

674
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,280
Texas ecotypes with the same species, of which there are

675
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:33,440
many joe tropadiaheca Sydney Attenuafoia, the Lafara, et cetera. But

676
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,679
she also, yeah, so she said he could have access,

677
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,239
but she also knows he's two thousand miles away, and

678
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,719
you know, whereas I'm only a few hours away, and

679
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,320
it would be much more likely I go there, and

680
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,800
and you know, he may not even make it out.

681
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:49,599
So she said, you know, but she also said you

682
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,719
could bring just don't bring Joey. And so anyway, she

683
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,599
lives in fucking Houston er So I don't know what

684
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:57,920
she's doing. She's doing lawyer stuff, you know, just I

685
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,159
don't know. I don't know what what it is. I

686
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:05,079
don't know what it is. But anyway, we had it out,

687
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:06,679
me and her. We had it out on words. I

688
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,559
told her, I hope she seeks therapy, and that if

689
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:11,960
she does try to sell the land, which was against

690
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,119
her father's wishes, I'll make sure everybody knows. Again, I

691
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:18,360
gotta be real. I had to consult with my attorney

692
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,159
here on this because she, you know, she seems like

693
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,519
the kind of you know, you get thirty years of

694
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,559
emotional trauma that hasn't been dealt with, because that's just

695
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:30,239
the state everyone here deals, you know, is like that.

696
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,880
I think Texas in the South in general, people don't

697
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,039
go to therapy because they think it's for pussies or

698
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,280
it's some admitting some kind of weakness. So everyone just

699
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,440
you know, gets more consecutively fucking nuts every year that

700
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,119
they refuse to deal with all the bullshit that's afflict

701
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,559
their lives, and bullshit's afflicted all of our lives. How

702
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,519
could it not, you know? So But anyway, but that's

703
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,159
the Texas, that's the Texas state things. I'm making a

704
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,639
generalization here. There's some very wonderful people here, of course,

705
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,920
but I like making generalizations. They're fun and they're funny,

706
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,679
and you can't have fun Joe stereotypes without generalizations. But

707
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,519
that said, she doesn't. She don't want me to. There

708
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,599
no more needless to say. And she was never involved

709
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,119
in any of the conservation stuff so far as I know.

710
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,239
She doesn't know anything about plants. She has no science

711
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,280
background in this, and so you know, I was kept

712
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,199
asking can I go there to check on plants? Can

713
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,000
I go there? And she didn't respond once or twice

714
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:30,519
in that kind of like phony Texas. You know, we

715
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,159
already had them in checking out thank you. Well, no,

716
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,119
I'm not checking on it for you. I'm checking on

717
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,599
it for myself and this community of botanists and biologists

718
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:43,039
that had a lot invested in this land in terms

719
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,159
of the work we're doing in research and also just spiritually.

720
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,920
You know, separating human beings from land that they love

721
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,599
is one of the worst things that human beings have

722
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,039
historically done to each other throughout the ages. This is

723
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:00,039
a very common thing that humans do to each other. Right, No,

724
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,480
you can't come here anymore, you can't act this. You

725
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,159
have to move. You can't be here. You know, you're

726
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,760
forcing people off basically, And so you know, that's essentially

727
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,800
what happened. And her father, who is a friend of mine,

728
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,119
of course I can't reach no one can check on him,

729
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:17,519
knowing none of his old friends can see how he's doing.

730
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,079
We've been barred from communicating him, not intentionally probably, but

731
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,480
you know there's we don't even know where he is.

732
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,840
So but he's being very well taken care of. I

733
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,239
presume I would, I think so. But but the land,

734
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,199
you know, the land, there were, for instance, there were

735
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,039
people poaching on the land seven months ago, and I

736
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,119
told this woman about it. We had a phone call.

737
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:44,960
I told her that there was poaching going on, and

738
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,920
she ended up during the phone call there was only

739
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:49,960
she was really happy to talk to me then, so

740
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,039
I told her what was going on and what I knew,

741
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,119
and said, you got to have someone out there, you

742
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,639
got to get what trap cameras or something, but we

743
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,159
know this has been going on. And then actually during

744
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,599
that call, she's still blowing up at me. I think

745
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:03,559
it was not directed at me, but she was screaming

746
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,360
at me about someone else. And that's when I first

747
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,760
realized the red flag. This woman's a loose cannon. There's

748
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,960
obviously like a lot of dark shit going going again,

749
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,719
fucking things therapy could work, wonders, I don't know, but

750
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:19,880
but you know, I was like I had to calmer

751
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,679
down and be like, hey, listen, I'm trying to help

752
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,960
you out. You don't need to talk to me like this, right,

753
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,960
Like people love your father and are taking care of

754
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,079
him and were taking care of him. And in my mind,

755
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:31,840
I'm like, who the fuck are You've met you once

756
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,280
before in the last three years, three or four years,

757
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,320
I've been working with your father and visiting him and whatever.

758
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:42,679
So anyway, be that what it may. But you know,

759
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,880
we'll see. I don't know what's gonna happen to the preserve.

760
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,079
I hope it gets preserved. I know there had been talk.

761
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,159
I had been told by someone else that she was

762
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,400
talking about selling it. I can't verify if that's true

763
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,719
or not. I've been told by two or three people

764
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,639
that she was thinking about selling it. I hope she

765
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,760
wouldn't do that, and that she and back and forth

766
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,480
between wanting to sell it and wanting to honor her

767
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:08,719
father's legacy, father's legacy, whatever that means. And and I

768
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,679
don't know, I don't know. We'll see what happens. We'll

769
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:14,480
see what happens. But it's definitely it was fucking with me, man.

770
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:17,400
It was a really dark, uh you know period a

771
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,679
month ago. Bumm me out for a series of days

772
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,800
because I I loved going to that property. I loved

773
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,960
there were so many there were really cool. Not the

774
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,639
Lena species, this desert fern there was, I mean, the

775
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,840
Lofafa population was cool, of course, whatever. But it was

776
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,000
an archaeological site, you know, and and it's it was,

777
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,519
and it was a preserve. It was meant for research

778
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,239
and education and for people to enjoy and uh, you know,

779
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,079
our friends wife's ashes were spread there and in so

780
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,400
many so much land in West Texas is just owned

781
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,079
by these rich freaks who have no interest in letting

782
00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:59,880
people on, who have no interest in preserving the plants there.

783
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,920
It's just, you know, they don't really care about it.

784
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,280
And so this was such a valuable asset to the

785
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,960
community of people that are invested in plant science out

786
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,840
there and invested in research. And then to suddenly just

787
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,159
be ghosted and locked out. It's a fucking tragedy. Man,

788
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,800
It's horrible. And then to have it beyond the board

789
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,559
that it might be, so I don't know if it's

790
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:27,519
going to again. I have to be careful what I'm saying.

791
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,920
Because she threatened me with some defamation likes. She really

792
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,480
went off. She didn't respond me for two months, then

793
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,719
wrote me some passive aggressive, fake you know, like Southern

794
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,559
style bullshit. The reply. It was a sentence. And then

795
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:42,800
when I said, when I responded to that, I said,

796
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,920
why aren't you letting researchers? And then she really went

797
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,119
off and she wrote boll she had a many novella.

798
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,000
She wrote me like a fucking she wrote me a

799
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,360
good couple of paragraphs, you know, just going off, just

800
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:59,440
really angry, you know. And then I just I just

801
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,840
was all right, well here we are, right, and you know,

802
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:05,440
there's probably maybe I could have been more tactical I

803
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,960
actually but I don't think so there's nothing I could

804
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,239
have done. I could have just I could have been

805
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,320
more the you know, the fake smiley Southern Texas shit,

806
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:17,440
angle of Texas shit, you know, yeah, like the you know,

807
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:21,280
the passive aggressive ship. I could have been like that,

808
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,960
but that's not me. I don't like doing that. That

809
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,920
feels fake and phony. So, you know, I don't know,

810
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,679
she's never met a spiny Italian before from Chicago. Again,

811
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:31,760
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what

812
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,800
this woman's world experience or life experiences. But I'll say

813
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,639
she don't seem very happy, and I have compassion for

814
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,320
her for that. But for Fox's sake, and I let

815
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,320
people on that land. You know, I trust your father's instinct.

816
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,159
That's not your land, it's your father's, et cetera. So

817
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,840
my god, damn man, that's a that's a bummercoda. It

818
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,519
was such such an amazing sight. But again, you know,

819
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:54,920
you want the good stuff, you just got to go

820
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
to Mexico where you don't have to deal with this ship.

821
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:58,800
Maybe you have to deal with some cartel stuff, but

822
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,159
the cartel just the whole the whole country now, and

823
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,039
they're not even working. I mean, drugs are like the

824
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,559
least of what they do. It's more like a Sopranos

825
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:11,880
style operation where they're so embedded in government they're perforcing

826
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,719
protection money out of people. It's not nice, but it's

827
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,360
it is what it is, and it's just something you

828
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,519
got to work with. But there's a lot of good

829
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,400
ship down there, and the land is generally in better shape.

830
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,920
I should say, it's not so much that it's in

831
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,440
better shape, it's that it's there's more of it. Well,

832
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,480
it is a better shape. It's not developed, and you know,

833
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,280
it's the thing. I think, the thing that struck me

834
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,559
the most about Texas is that when everything's private, you know,

835
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,599
anything can be sold. Everybody's a hula. There's no there's

836
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:42,920
no protection. Whereas when you got public land, it can

837
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,559
they can still come for it, namely the government working

838
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,480
for corporate interest can still come for it, mine it,

839
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,519
log the shit out of it. Whatever. But there's going

840
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:54,960
to be a lot more pushback, you know, because it's public.

841
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,960
If if someone tries to build a development, then you know,

842
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,519
when someone builds a development, that's gone for good. You

843
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,440
take trees or you mine it. I mean, you can

844
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,400
still fuck it up, but it's not gone for good.

845
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,880
You develop it, it's you cover it in concrete, it's

846
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,079
gone for good. God damn, it's just so bleak. I mean,

847
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,159
people don't realize how they're getting severed from their own

848
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,280
land there. They're getting alienated and and pushed off of

849
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,360
their own land. They have no act. Even just if

850
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,280
you're just driving by a nice looking juniper woodland that's

851
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,960
got got a couple of madrones in it, some Texas madrones,

852
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,039
some oaks, even that you're benefiting from it. That's soothing

853
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,000
to be around, even if you can't directly go walk

854
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:32,639
for it when it's fucking gone, when it's just a

855
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,280
parking lot with some shitty horticultural atrocities. And it's always

856
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,360
horticultural atrocities that they plant in these places. And some trees,

857
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:42,960
you know, some uh you know, a lot of parking lot,

858
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,880
a lot of parking lots, some glass steel. Uh, you know,

859
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,159
these these horrific buildings that just kind of denude your

860
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,920
soul of any life. Get back to work. Fucko, that's

861
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,639
what they say. Get back to work.

862
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

863
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,519
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's horrible. It's it kill It smothers you,

864
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,400
It kills your soul. You're not really alive. And so

865
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,679
that is why. In other news, I had a little

866
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,719
win today. I had a little win. I went in

867
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,079
to city hall in my town and I got the

868
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:16,199
guy's name who's been basically saying no to all my

869
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,679
requests the plant street trees and just talk to them directly,

870
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,519
and was, you know, disarmingly nice. And uh. I was

871
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,159
fucking nervous going in there to talk to this guy,

872
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:32,519
because so much of my fucking emotional well being goes

873
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:35,719
on not having is based on having plants around me.

874
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:37,800
In an other way, because I live in a really

875
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,000
depressing area. It's really fucking bleak. It's culturally bleak here

876
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:44,199
it's lonely, it's isolating. It's hard that there's no one

877
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,800
to have an intellectual conversation with. There's not a lot

878
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,599
of education. There's a lot of obedience and fear. And

879
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,280
you know, there's good things about it too that I

880
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,000
could say I have. You'd have to give me a

881
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,360
minute to come up with some but I'm sure there's

882
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,159
good things. But there's a lot of dark shit. You know,

883
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,159
it's a fucking it's a car slom. You know, it's

884
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,000
dangerous to go for a bike ride or a walk.

885
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:06,679
I mean, I almost got hit by some three hundred

886
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,000
pound woman talking on his cell phone the other day

887
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,119
who made a really soft curve and then she looked

888
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,000
at me like I was the asshole for being in

889
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,760
her way. You know that kind of thing. I'm sure

890
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,559
that's like this in a lot of America. But I

891
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:21,519
went in and I just begged the guy that was nice,

892
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,239
you know, I turned it down. Tony Santoro was put away,

893
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,519
and Joey came out, you know, the sensitive guy beneath

894
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:31,360
all the spines, and I just said, hey man, I'm

895
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:33,320
sorry to bother you before you going off to lunch,

896
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:35,800
told him who I was, what I do. I mean,

897
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,559
I used to like to keep a low profile where

898
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,119
I am because I just it's my shit. I don't

899
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:43,840
want these suits and stuff knowing who I am. But

900
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,320
I just told him who I what I do? You know,

901
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,400
educator got a YouTube channel, artist, all this, you know, author,

902
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,639
all this shit, and just said, you know, I just

903
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,360
want to plant one tree. And I showed him a

904
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,000
photo on a tablet. I had my little drawing tablet

905
00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:58,440
with me. I took a photo, said. I showed him

906
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,599
a picture of the bleak parking lot of cr the street,

907
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,239
and I just said, you know, this is what I

908
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,320
won't look out. This is what I look out at

909
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,800
every day, and I just want to plant a single

910
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,199
tree there. You know, this thing heats up in the summertime.

911
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,320
I tried to explain the heat island to them. I've

912
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,039
noticed when you explain heat islands to people, and I

913
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:17,920
was trying to explain it to some cops last night

914
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,320
because some lady in my neighborhood. This is how fucking

915
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,320
bleak it is where I lived. Second time I've had

916
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,840
the cops called on me for planting trees on city

917
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,679
property between the sidewalk and the street. This is the

918
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,320
second time it's happened. I mean, and the people are

919
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,840
just so afraid they don't even go out and talk

920
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,639
to you. They just just call the cops. It's fucking pathetic.

921
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,599
But anyway, you know, and so I said, this, all

922
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:43,079
this concrete and asphalt, it goes about eight inches deep.

923
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:44,880
It's got a high heat capacity, it heats up in

924
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,679
the sun. Blah blah blah. My whole spiel the same

925
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,119
thing I say into presentations, you know, and is at

926
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,760
some point. I mean I normally notice about six seconds

927
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,480
into this their eyes glaze over and they have no

928
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:58,280
interest in going any further. But they get the point,

929
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,119
and you explain how it makes the whole area of

930
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,360
fifteen degrees hotter. I had a little diagram or the

931
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,760
heat island. That the heat island thing. It's such basic logic,

932
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,400
but it escapes people. I mean, if you stand and

933
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,079
that's what I told him for myself, if you walk

934
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:13,840
out on that parking lot at nine pm on a

935
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,719
July night, after the sun goes down, you can feel

936
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,559
the heat coming up at you. You're on it's like

937
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,880
you're on a space heater. The sun's down, so there's

938
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920
no heat coming at you. From above or from the side.

939
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,440
It's just coming at you from below. It's because this

940
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,440
thing has been charged up with thermal energy and is

941
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,480
now radiating that heat back into the atmosphere. And it

942
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:34,800
continues to do this till midnight or one am, until

943
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,760
you know, it finally cools off and the sun comes up.

944
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:38,480
And so I just said, if you just shade it

945
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:40,320
a little bit, you just prevent the sun from hitting

946
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,599
it a little bit, you're not charging that heat battery

947
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,199
as much. But by this point, I don't think he

948
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,199
was listening anymore, and he'd already I could see he

949
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,920
had already agreed to let me plant this one tree,

950
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,639
which I was so fucking thankful for. You know, these

951
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,760
little winds. It made it. It eased the pain of

952
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,599
having to deal with the cops last night, got in

953
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:02,039
the cop. I mean again, I just blow people's minds

954
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:05,320
down here. I got neck tattoos. Yet I'm educated. I'm

955
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,440
still a jackass, don't get me wrong, you know, on

956
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,320
a scale, but compared to a lot of people down here,

957
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,320
got a little bit of education on me. And uh,

958
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,639
you know, and I could speak eloquently about this, and

959
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,280
I told Mama, you know, I'm bodanist et cetera, all

960
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,039
this stuff, and he just he just said, okay, well,

961
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:23,800
just make sure you don't go on her property. Blah

962
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,159
blah blah. This is the thing. This it goes a

963
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:28,320
little bit deeper. It's actually because the lady that the

964
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,079
lady that called the cops to me was really nice.

965
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,960
But her, her mom, the Aboa leader, was not very nice.

966
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,880
She was she was you know, she scaled at me.

967
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,400
I waved at her as I was going back to

968
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,480
plant the second plant the tree the second time in

969
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:41,679
the same spot after she ripped out all the shit

970
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,400
I planted there first. And this is a bleak stretcher

971
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,679
of a city property. It is like there's nothing there.

972
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
It's just in the summer, it's hot as balls. And

973
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,199
so this time I went to stake it and I

974
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,239
put you know, I used the good I used the medicine.

975
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,239
I used the every Abbo leader's achilles heels. He might

976
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,000
fucking hate me, and that's fine, she's probably miserable, but

977
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:06,320
I put a candle in front of it. I went

978
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,840
down to the Catholic church where they got all the

979
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,800
animals and stuff, because there's a Catholic church here to

980
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:12,559
I guess the fodder is an animal lover. You know.

981
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,320
They used to have this spitting lama in front of it,

982
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,280
and the lama actually spit at me once. It was

983
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,599
very cute. He was a dick. He was actually kind

984
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,159
of a dick. And I don't know where he went.

985
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,760
He's gone now, so hopefully they took his ass somewhere.

986
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,400
Ou I don't know where they put him. But he

987
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,320
wasn't a nice lama, and he had some bad well,

988
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,840
come to think of it, I have you know, I

989
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,400
feel sympathy for him because he had some fucked up teeth.

990
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,079
That's that was a thing. This lama had some real

991
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,239
fucked up teeth and so maybe he was self conscious

992
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,519
about that. But either way, you know, it's it's a

993
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,159
nice church. It's an old church. They got the animals

994
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,599
in there, they got they always got way too many dogs,

995
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,920
and uh, you go in there and it's like wood everywhere.

996
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,480
It's a beautiful building. Okay, he's someone who was raised Catholic,

997
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,239
but is not anymore, you know, due to the numerous

998
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,480
conflicts that his science tends to have with religion, but

999
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,400
that it needn't have. You know, I'm just not killing

1000
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,760
it anyway, I went in there. I got a five

1001
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,239
dollar candle, five dollar roseary. I put it on the tree.

1002
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:14,559
I told the lady that it's blessed, uh, And then

1003
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,280
I went. I went out of town. I was up

1004
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,320
and just up in Austin. Went to go drop some

1005
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,679
shit off my friend Willie's house, get some stuff, get

1006
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,880
some plants, check on some shit. And then I came

1007
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,960
back down and the candle was gone, and someone had

1008
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,840
done a horrific pruning job on the tree, but they

1009
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,639
didn't rip it out. So then I went I knocked

1010
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:33,639
on the lady's door again, just walked the sidewalk up

1011
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:35,480
to her door and knocked on the door. This time,

1012
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,639
she didn't come out. The previous time she'd come out.

1013
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,800
This is the woman who's maybe my age, but her

1014
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,960
abbelieve her grandma's the one that her mother is the

1015
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,880
one that hates me, and that this was for. And

1016
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,480
this lady was actually amenable to having a tree. But

1017
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:51,039
she's like, I just got to convince my mom. And

1018
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:52,199
so I was like, okay, well, I'm just gonna do

1019
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,239
it again. I told her I was doing it. She

1020
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,320
just kind of okay. And anyway, so this time she

1021
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,920
wouldn't come out. She just spoke to me through the

1022
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,000
fucking ring doorbell, and I could tell immediately. I'm like,

1023
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:04,920
I'm already fucked. She's terrified, she's freaked out. I mean,

1024
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,280
I already blow people's minds being down here because I don't.

1025
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,960
I'm so culturally different. I don't look like any It's

1026
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,039
very bizarre. It's not Mexican, it's Tejano. It's the Tejano area.

1027
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,480
It's a very different vibe. There's a long history of

1028
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:19,519
you know, repression and some really nasty shit that happened

1029
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,480
here one hundred years ago from the Texas Rangers. So

1030
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:25,480
people are you know that shit still reverberates today. But

1031
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:29,480
it's a very nineteen fifties vibe, very very conservative nineteen

1032
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,679
fifties vibe here, you know. Just to give you some

1033
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,360
some some just to accentuate how weird it is. You know,

1034
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,639
there was a giant latinos for Trump's signed near my

1035
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,840
house last year, so that kind of gives you a

1036
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,599
feel of what it's. What the vibe is, right, it's

1037
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:49,159
not like a lot of but this isn't Pilsen. It's

1038
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:52,440
not little village in Chicago. It's not East La. It's

1039
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:56,519
not East Oakland. It's a very very different vibe culturally speaking,

1040
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:01,840
very very different, right, very whitewashed, very bay. He's very nice,

1041
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,960
neat and clean. People are really nice or can be.

1042
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,639
And there's some good people here, but overall it's a

1043
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,480
very very I have a friend who grew up here.

1044
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:16,239
She's like sixty now. It's old, lesbian, wonderful woman. And

1045
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,360
she said, I got the fuck out of Mission forty

1046
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,480
five years ago because just how what the vibe is.

1047
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,960
It's just a bleak. It just feels bleak there. I

1048
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:27,559
can't stand it. It's very nineteen fifties. It's you know,

1049
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,599
and she's someone you could actually have a conversation with,

1050
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,280
like an intelligent conversation, but otherwise it's it could be

1051
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,239
very alienating here. So and I said, anyway, so this

1052
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,199
lady I already knew, like I'm screwed. She's freaked out.

1053
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,679
And I just said, can I just get the candle back?

1054
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:45,119
Because I was going to go put it back, you know,

1055
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,199
if anything is protection against the people that might want

1056
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,840
to take the tree out, you know, which is a

1057
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,440
vibe here. It's messy. I don't want so I asked

1058
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,960
for the candle. She said I don't have it, and

1059
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:57,800
I said okay, And I said, well, I'm sorry. I

1060
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,840
didn't mean to freak you out. I apologize to moher lawn.

1061
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:02,800
I said, I'm all your lawn for you, if you want,

1062
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,039
for you, if you want, just so you know, I

1063
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:08,480
feel bad about this. She said no, it's okay. And

1064
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:11,000
so that was that. And then you know, three hours later,

1065
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,920
I'm walking to my house and I see the cops

1066
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,760
roll up and their lights go on the bright ones,

1067
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,639
and I'm like shit, you know, because seeing cops roll

1068
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:20,840
bys whatever, And sometimes if I see him rolling by,

1069
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,400
I'll ask him what's up? You know, you're looking for

1070
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:24,559
some of some kids breaking into cars or something, which

1071
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:27,119
happens like once in a blue moon here because there's

1072
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,280
no crime. But uh, but this time, yeah, they roll

1073
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,000
up its shirt and they just they did that, you know,

1074
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:35,360
the official cops stance, like the Kimbo hot cops stance,

1075
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,280
and just you know, when you do, you realize when

1076
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,400
you're talking to someone like you talk to a cop,

1077
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,199
you know, you stop and roll up to him and

1078
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,320
ask him a question. He doesn't talk to you like this, right,

1079
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,760
They only talk to you like this when they're stopping

1080
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,760
you and questioning you, and it just you just realize

1081
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,360
this motherfucker's not listening to anything. I'd say, like, I'm

1082
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,840
already suspect you're already. So I'm just like, okay, man, Yeah,

1083
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,599
so I just talked to him, and I I plan

1084
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:02,960
on a tree. You know, I put a candle there

1085
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,280
because she ripped it out the first time. You know,

1086
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,239
this is the kind of beef. This is something like

1087
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,159
I've really entered into the realm of like old fucking

1088
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:13,519
Italian wing nut, which is fine, That's I'm totally fine

1089
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,519
with that. Please late on if it means I get

1090
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,639
to make my fucking neighborhood look less bleak and less

1091
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:21,000
filled with concrete an asphalt, and maybe take the heat

1092
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,199
island down a little bit. You know, someone, it's one

1093
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,960
hundred and five degrees for eight months. You know it's

1094
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:28,719
not as brutal. Fine, I don't care. I mean, it

1095
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,960
gives a shit what people think. Yet everyone's full of shit,

1096
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:38,119
everyone's nuts. So uh so so anyway, uh you know

1097
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,239
I'm saying so I said, yeah, that's why I went.

1098
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,559
He's like, well, did you hop the fence? I mean

1099
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:43,760
not eve't hap the fence. I walked the sidewalk up

1100
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,239
to her front door, like the same I've had like

1101
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,480
solar salesmen, and the Jehovah's witness is due to my

1102
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:53,519
front yard. He goes, well, this is your official notice that, sir,

1103
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:55,440
this is your official notice that. If you do that again,

1104
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,199
you will be arrested for trespassing. Said, I have no

1105
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,360
interest in going. There's no reason for me to talk

1106
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,159
to this this person again. I just you know, it's

1107
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,239
public property. She's messing with her grandma, her mother was

1108
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,039
messing with it, et cetera. And it's weird too because

1109
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:13,280
you know, everyone else on my block I'm pretty cool with,

1110
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,760
and I've planted shit for everybody around. I'm like pushing

1111
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,639
it off, you know, aggressively pushing it off. But most

1112
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:21,840
people you don't have to be aggressive with it because

1113
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,480
they actually want trees around and none. Of course, you

1114
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,119
gotta go back and maintain it, make sure it doesn't

1115
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:29,679
look like shit, you know, make sure the stiffs are

1116
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:34,320
gonna be okay with it. And so anyway, So yeah,

1117
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,599
so that was where we were at, and I was

1118
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:38,159
just so bummed. I'm like, god, dam it was the

1119
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,039
second time this has happened, you know, And it's always

1120
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:46,639
the same person. It's like the same lame, just just

1121
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,920
totally repressed, just fucking no fun, just scared of everything,

1122
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,800
you know, wholesome vanilla, just nineteen fifties ass shit. It

1123
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,239
was so crazy, and I felt really terrible that she

1124
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,440
was obviously scared, but also part of me was like,

1125
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:06,079
what the fuck? Oh that was the other thing too.

1126
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,239
I said, okay, well, is your mom okay with the tree?

1127
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,679
When I was talking to her, she was talking me

1128
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,000
through that when she was talking to me through the

1129
01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:13,480
ring speaker, says your mom okay with the tree? And

1130
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,440
she said uh. And she thought I was talking about

1131
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,079
the candle and the stuff that I put there so

1132
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:21,880
that I tore it off, the app will leave it.

1133
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,400
She said, well, I you know, we think that you were.

1134
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:28,199
We were worried it was for me, like like I

1135
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,960
cursed her or something. I was like, no, no, no,

1136
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:33,079
miss no, no no, it's just to protect the tree.

1137
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,199
And it's all it was for, you know, And because

1138
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:36,880
it was fucking hilarious. But I can't tell her that.

1139
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,719
I can't tell her it was part of a gag too,

1140
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,320
you know. And then I told her I was Catholic,

1141
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,199
which I'm not, but you know, was raised Catholic. I was,

1142
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,519
you know, I have the mental scars to show it

1143
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,840
and anyway. So but she didn't, she didn't give a shit,

1144
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,760
you know, she just she was still free. She was

1145
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,719
so spooked and free. I'm telling you, man, It's so

1146
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:00,480
if I wore like Dockers and tucked in my shirt

1147
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:02,840
and had a you know, they didn't have any tattoos,

1148
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,960
maybe I'd be more successful with this shit done here.

1149
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:07,039
People would probably still be fun, but they wouldn't be

1150
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,039
freaked out. So, because people are freaked out, my only,

1151
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,400
my only, in my only. The only way I can

1152
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,480
get that get myself out of this prejudgment they have

1153
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,599
where they're like, oh you look like a criminal or

1154
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,000
scary whatever, is to just disarm them with humor and

1155
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:27,519
just being an extraverted, extroverted the loudmouth daygo, you know,

1156
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:30,239
and be really friendly. That's all that's all I could do. Otherwise,

1157
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,719
the affort one, look, you know, I'm fucked. They think

1158
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,119
it's they're scared because people a lot a lot of

1159
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:38,079
people here have never left here. You know, it's probably

1160
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:40,440
be like a small town in Iowa or somewhere else,

1161
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:45,519
you know, it's the same thing. So uh anyway, but yeah,

1162
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:48,679
so I went in today and just caught the guy

1163
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:51,199
at lunch, the city manager, and just said, hey, man,

1164
01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:53,360
I'm trying to get this tree in the ground. Can

1165
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,760
you help me out. I just want to plant this one.

1166
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,400
Things you want to just plant this one. I was like, well,

1167
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,000
I would take two if you could give me two,

1168
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:01,760
but I'll just take one. I mean whatever, you you know,

1169
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:05,320
I'll I'll plant it, I'll stake it, I'll make sure

1170
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,480
it's pruned, mulched everything. You guys won't have to do

1171
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:10,960
anything right and if you need anything, you need me

1172
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:14,800
to do anything just right, you know. So he said okay,

1173
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,679
and so that this is this little battle in the

1174
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:24,360
ongoing and never ending fight to keep they just get

1175
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,400
more fucking trees planted. It just it's it got. It

1176
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,320
looks so ugly where I live. Man, It's just it's

1177
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,039
And the thing that's really been killed me is those

1178
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:33,920
fucking led billboards have been going up lately. They're really

1179
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:37,679
bright led billboards, you know, Like, what kind of motherfucker

1180
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,880
doesn't want to see the night sky? Like Jesus Christ, man,

1181
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,920
are you have what's you're sick. What happened? He said,

1182
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,880
the paint chips. When you were a kid were eating

1183
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,559
paint chips. Have you just been so indoctrinate? I mean,

1184
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,639
you've never seen what actual quote nature is. And it

1185
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:54,599
was funny because I posted something about this about the

1186
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:59,519
abuelitas and uh abulita someone who's giving me shift for that,

1187
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,840
and people will connect your correct your pronunciation is there

1188
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,519
to get kicked in the nuts, just as simple as it,

1189
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:08,280
all right, if not literal nuts, figurative. But people were saying, oh, my,

1190
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:11,599
Maya Belita, she she loves plants. You know, I don't

1191
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:13,039
know what you're talking about. And I was like, well,

1192
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:14,440
it depends on where you are, may if you're in

1193
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,800
La or something. Yeah, but down here in Texas, culture

1194
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,679
is a lot more repressed. It's a lot more fucked up,

1195
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,440
you know, it's a lot more backwards nineteen fifty style.

1196
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,519
And just because your your grandma likes you know, she's

1197
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:28,679
got like a potted euphorbia and a plumeria maybe if

1198
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:31,159
you're lucky, probably not. She probably got great myrtles and

1199
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:32,960
onlyand there. Just because she's got that, that doesn't mean

1200
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,920
she likes nature. She might like horticultural garbage. Plenty of

1201
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:41,119
old women, do you know, old white ladies in fucking

1202
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:43,880
Nebraska or wherever. It doesn't mean you know, but it

1203
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,440
doesn't mean. It doesn't mean that she she likes ecology

1204
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:50,239
and native plants and nature has any insight into that.

1205
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,079
Because to most people down here, and most people really

1206
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:56,639
anywhere you go in the world, if they're descended from

1207
01:03:56,679 --> 01:04:01,480
this European culture, they they you the native plants, there's

1208
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:05,519
just scrubby bullshit. There's stuff it doesn't flower or it

1209
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,760
only I mean, every plant flowers. They don't know that though,

1210
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,920
because they don't see it. It's not bread intentionally for

1211
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:12,199
its flowers. It's not bread that bread to be showy,

1212
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:18,239
like the fucking horticultural petunias you might see in a

1213
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,000
home desperate garden center, you know, or a lows right,

1214
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:23,920
none of those plants you see in the home deepot

1215
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,760
garden center, by the way, almost none of them are

1216
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,159
the actual plants you'd find in nature. Like the same way,

1217
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:32,000
if you go to like a go to buy a dog,

1218
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:33,800
you're not gonna be buying a wolf. You're gonna be

1219
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,559
buying a human bread cultivar of a wolf, which is

1220
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,119
what pugs and poodles and great things. Are so all

1221
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:41,440
this shit, I mean, this is this is how the

1222
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:48,519
horticultural industry works. Everything is bread. It's bread. It's bread

1223
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,199
for a fastigity growth habit or for variegated leaves or

1224
01:04:51,239 --> 01:04:53,320
for color. You know, all this shit and the stuff

1225
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,840
that I see, and I just want to wretch. I'm like,

1226
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,159
that's not nature. I want to be around the actual

1227
01:04:57,199 --> 01:04:59,599
living world. This is garbage. This is some whack fox

1228
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,639
interpretation of nature. This is not This is not the

1229
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:06,320
actual living world that I know. This isn't there's not

1230
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,760
even an interpretation of nature. It's just again, plants as beauty,

1231
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,880
plants as beautiful as they're interpreted, probably by someone. Very

1232
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,280
few of my listeners and very certainly not me can

1233
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,639
relate to right people who can't relate to it. What

1234
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:23,119
do I have in common with some you know, old

1235
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:25,039
grant he doesn't give a shit about the living world,

1236
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:27,719
and no offense to the herbster. She's got other wonderful attributes,

1237
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,480
you know, or some rich housewife. Because it's normally like

1238
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:32,480
do you look at like the gardening club people, that's

1239
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,440
normally what it is, right, I'm not a gardener I don't.

1240
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,559
I'm not a gardener at all. I like fucking plants.

1241
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:40,079
I like studying plants science, I like ecology. I like

1242
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:44,800
all the other relationships that these plants have with with

1243
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:47,679
fungi and with cool insects and with birds. And I

1244
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,440
like the context that they that they evolved. And I

1245
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,800
don't care about variegated leaves and pretty flowers and dumb

1246
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,400
shit like that. Right to me, it's dumb to maybe

1247
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,199
not too teaches, Oh we could agree to disagree. I

1248
01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:01,159
think it's fucking stupid. Don't care about the fucking flowers.

1249
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:01,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1250
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:04,079
Speaker 3: The beauty to me is in the whole context. It's

1251
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:07,840
in the ecosystem, it's in the ecology. Right. It's very Leopoldian,

1252
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:12,199
Can you say that after Eldo Leopold? Right? Because I

1253
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,519
got what happened to me, and I was maybe lucky?

1254
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:17,519
Is that so young? I was, you know, so induced

1255
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,719
with vomiting it looking at the human world around me,

1256
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,760
and so nauseated by it. It was so filled with

1257
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,119
phoniness and wealth worship and all this stupid shit that

1258
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:28,719
I turned to quote nature, I e. The real world,

1259
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,559
the living world as an escape. And so that's what

1260
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:33,039
I want I don't want I don't want it as

1261
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:37,480
it's been processed by some demented human focks interpretation of

1262
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:39,239
what beauty is and then sold back to me. I

1263
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,320
want the real thing. That's where the freedom is. There's

1264
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,039
no freedom in the home despot garden center. Yeah, that's cute.

1265
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:47,000
That's cute that you know your granny's got a pot

1266
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:50,159
with a fucking plumeria in it or something. I don't care, right,

1267
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:51,760
I want to saw it down the crape myrtles. I

1268
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,480
don't care about the roses. Fuck the roses, right, the

1269
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:57,400
wild rosa, the genus. That's cool, I'll do that. I

1270
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,840
don't care about the fucking horticultural stuff. Get away from me,

1271
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,000
all right. That stuff pains my eyes, it kills my soul.

1272
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:05,760
I want nothing to do with it. So that's cool.

1273
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,480
Your your avolita likes plants, right, that's a completely different

1274
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:11,400
thing from what I'm talking about, and certainly for a

1275
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,159
street tree. We're talking about plants as infrastructure, right, We're

1276
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:17,400
talking about shade planting a tepewahe which is gonna grow

1277
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,360
fast as hell and produce a wonderful light shade on

1278
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,760
this otherwise very hot Barren Street. That's using plants as infrastructure.

1279
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,679
It's not. I'm not planting it because it's pretty and

1280
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,639
it flowers all the time. I don't give a shit, right,

1281
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,679
I mean, when they flower, it's pretty cool. They get

1282
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:35,960
the you know, they are memosoids. They are memosoids, memosoid

1283
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,840
E subfamily of the legian family. So they got the

1284
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,920
little white powder puff flowers that are mostly consistent, mostly

1285
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,159
consists of filaments, and the corollas and kalas is the

1286
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,639
perianth is very small, right, like any member of the

1287
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,639
mimosoid family, whether it's you know, ebony, texas eBones or

1288
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:59,079
mistkeats or Caliandra or whatever. Erythrostemas and say sell penioidy

1289
01:07:59,239 --> 01:08:03,039
also very beautif flowers. But uh, anyway, you know what

1290
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:07,119
I mean, plants is infrastructure to help flooding, to reduce

1291
01:08:07,159 --> 01:08:09,880
the heat island effect, to create habitat for cool birds,

1292
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,199
to humanize the landscape, so it's a place you actually

1293
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:14,559
want to be instead of a concrete shithole. Right. And

1294
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,319
then meanwhile, this lady on the other you know, this

1295
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:21,000
sold lady on the other corner, you know, I offered

1296
01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:22,800
her a tree. I was just trying to She's got again,

1297
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,520
bleak stretch of hell strip in front of her house.

1298
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,680
He said, ma'am, do you want a tree? Would you

1299
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,079
careful a plant a tree there? She said, no, I'm

1300
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:31,359
actually thinking about cutting that one down. Oh the fuck?

1301
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,359
She points to an oak tree, beautiful oak tree that's

1302
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:36,680
giving her a lot of shade to miss. If you

1303
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,039
do that, you're gonna make the whole corner of this

1304
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:42,960
block fifteen degrees hotter come July. There's no shade. I mean,

1305
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,000
you have no other shade. You live in a brick house.

1306
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:49,279
It's just gonna get baked, right, You're just twelve hours

1307
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,439
of solar radiation, just scorching the shit out of this

1308
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,640
little brick house with a tin roof all day. You

1309
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,359
know what, do you want to pay more for air conditioning?

1310
01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:58,680
I mean, do you want Do you like it when

1311
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,399
it's when you're sweat in your living room? I mean,

1312
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,680
what what is? What do you want? Man? I was nice.

1313
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:06,960
I didn't say that, but I was like, if you're

1314
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,279
just gonna make it hotter, you know, it's like, well,

1315
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,560
it drops the acorns like, so you sweep them up.

1316
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,520
I'll sweep him for you. You know? Is that the

1317
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,439
is that the issue here. Then a guy in the

1318
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,119
other corner just just butchered the shit out of his knoquas.

1319
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:19,359
They look like fucking turkey legs sticking out of the ground. Now,

1320
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,600
I mean, brutal man. What the fuck those are knoquas too?

1321
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:25,479
All the parrots. Yeah, we get these parrots coming up

1322
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,319
from Mexico. They would hit those anoquas and get the

1323
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:28,960
fruits off it. And that's a nice guy. That's a

1324
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,720
good guy. I've planted a bunch of shit for him

1325
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:33,920
in his yard. Cool of gaves some soda, bunch of

1326
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,920
native cacti. You know, it's an uphill battle. I need

1327
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,840
to just I need to do, like what the Buddhist is,

1328
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:41,640
just disconnect. I don't give a fuck. Just don't fuck

1329
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,920
with my yard. Everything else around me is garbage, its shit.

1330
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,239
I'm just not gonna look at it, and I'm just

1331
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:48,680
gonna focus on my shit because I get distracted right

1332
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,600
with what's right in front of me. So I got

1333
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,680
to drive by a bleak hell strip that's roasting in

1334
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,199
the sun, and then I want to go in there

1335
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:58,079
and fuck with it, which I can now do with

1336
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:00,239
one tree. So you know, it's if you gotta the

1337
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,840
little you gotta take the little battles, right, the little winds.

1338
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,000
It's a little wind get the cops called on you

1339
01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:08,079
one night for trying to make the neighborhood more livable,

1340
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,119
and then the next day you're actually able to get

1341
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,840
permission to plant the tree. Now, I'll plant this tree

1342
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,600
and it will be official, but I guarantee someone in

1343
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,640
the neighborhood will probably still come by and rip it out,

1344
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,920
so I have to like protect it with chicken wires.

1345
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,000
Somehow I got too teposts I'm gonna put on the

1346
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:28,239
other side. I mean, it's really it's an uphill battle

1347
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:30,760
down here in South Texas. Looks like they want it

1348
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,640
to look ugly and hot all the time. Anyway, I'm big.

1349
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,239
Some ladies coming from the news, I'm gonna talk there.

1350
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:41,840
Let me turn this fucking let these settings down. I

1351
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,279
just it's a struggle for me to get these things

1352
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:47,680
pumped out, these podcasts pumped down. Now, it's a pain

1353
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,399
of the ass. Where I can find elucid two hours

1354
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,119
to sit down and talk. Oh it might be too low,

1355
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:57,119
God damn it. Anyway, some ladies coming from the news

1356
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:00,359
to talk to me about the tree planning that I've

1357
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:03,279
been doing, and the fact that you know, the city

1358
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,880
hates trees, and we'll, you know, so hopefully we'll see

1359
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,600
some positive I have to tone it down a little

1360
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,439
bit because you know, some of the squares are catching

1361
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,800
catching wind at this now, and I don't want to

1362
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,439
offend the square community too much because then that won't

1363
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,239
that'll make it harder for me to get this shit done.

1364
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,399
I just want to get fucking trees playing around here,

1365
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,479
you know. But uh, you know, they hear me, you know,

1366
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,920
my sense of humor, of the cristness, it's gonna it's gonna.

1367
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,640
I'm gonna have to water it down, you know, tugging

1368
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,920
in that shirt, tuck in this shirt and get a

1369
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,119
little clean cut. I couldn't if I tried anyway. You

1370
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:34,920
don't like it when it's messy, do you. I can't

1371
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,920
wait to talk to this lady and tell her how

1372
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,039
messy the plants are, how much I don't like I

1373
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,159
hate them. They drop this stuff on the sidewalks and

1374
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:47,760
it's so messy, and there's there's always something to complain about.

1375
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,439
You talk to some of these people. The people have

1376
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,479
noticed that always it's always the same person, like a

1377
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,039
different incarnation to the same person. The people that hate

1378
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:58,600
street trees, they're always complaining about the mess or there's

1379
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,640
always some fucking lame reason why they don't. You know,

1380
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,600
they require maintenance. It's not a fucking seven forty seven.

1381
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,199
What maintenance does it require? What does it require? What

1382
01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:09,039
are you gonna do? Huh? You have to go and

1383
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:12,199
polish it once a week. You just go and come on, man,

1384
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:18,680
you've prune some branches, you fucking you know, once a

1385
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,800
year in a store. Maybe you take a branch off

1386
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,960
when it gets big. That's this street tree. It's wild.

1387
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,079
But even just explaining the urban heat island, like watching

1388
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:32,279
that Cops Eyes Wander, you know, when it was just like, okay,

1389
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:37,159
this isn't this isn't working anyway. Yeah, so it's been

1390
01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:39,680
it's good. It's getting good. Uh, it's getting good coverage.

1391
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,319
And so maybe explaining the heat island to people, I mean,

1392
01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:47,399
it's just the fact that the pavement becomes a space

1393
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,279
heater after the sun goes down, that it just becomes

1394
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,159
it becomes too hot and it continues. Rare. I looked

1395
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,960
it up and the math is actually pretty startling. I mean,

1396
01:12:57,039 --> 01:12:59,960
one hundred and forty one degrees fahrenheit, probably one hundred

1397
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:04,239
sixty one down here on like a July or or

1398
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,359
August day, So for for one hundred and forty one

1399
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,560
degree fahrenheit stretch of payment, and again it's probably much

1400
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,960
hotter than that down here in July the surface of

1401
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:18,279
some of these massive stretches of asphalt. So one hundred

1402
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:20,239
and forty one degrees fahnheit. It's not like a cup

1403
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:23,319
of coffee. It doesn't cool that quickly. Okay. It's got

1404
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,439
a very high heat capacity and a very high thermal inertia. Okay,

1405
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,039
these are physics terms, so you could you could look

1406
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:35,520
this up. It can take upwards of ten to twelve

1407
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,960
hours for it to cool down to within ten degrees

1408
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,239
fahrenheit of the ambient temperature, which you know at six

1409
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:45,520
in the morning here right before the five in the morning,

1410
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,520
before the sun comes up in July, it doesn't get

1411
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,119
It'll maybe get to eighty degrees fahrenheit. So you add

1412
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:55,920
this up over a number of days, weeks, months, and

1413
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,840
you know, you get it never cools off, so that

1414
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,680
the heat just starts only building and building and building.

1415
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:04,560
Next day, it'll be next week, it'll be a cup.

1416
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,920
It'll only cool down to a couple degrees, it'll cool

1417
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,840
to a couple degrees warmer, and then the next the

1418
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:13,439
next couple of weeks a couple degrees cooler than that,

1419
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,840
and it just it never cools off. And just explaining

1420
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,920
this to people, it's just it takes a minute. But

1421
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,520
when you get them to start thinking about it in

1422
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:26,039
this way, you realize every new stretch of pavement, asphalt, concrete, brick, building,

1423
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,920
cinder block, whatever you build, it needs to be seen

1424
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:31,520
for what it is. If it's not shaded somehow by

1425
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,520
a pergola structure or a street tree, it just becomes

1426
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,560
a space heater. It's just a space heater, and it

1427
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,640
makes everything ten times hotter than it would otherwise be.

1428
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,760
It's nuts. Man's crazy, this doesn't I mean, what's crazy

1429
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,279
to me is that this doesn't. Well, I guess people

1430
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:50,680
don't really go outside, especially down here, so in the

1431
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,640
summer everyone's in an air conditioning, air conditioned vehicle, so

1432
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,640
people don't realize. I mean, you see these stretches. First off,

1433
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,880
there's not many sidewalks where there is a sidewalk, the

1434
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,560
there's nothing shading them, and you never see anybody walking

1435
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,439
on them. The fattest city in America, the fattest city

1436
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,399
in North America. Excuse me, we're talking about the whole

1437
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,840
conton was a documentary that just came out on YouTube

1438
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,399
that a friend of mine, Don Here sent me three

1439
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,680
weeks ago. He said, look, the Rio Grand Valley's blowing

1440
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:22,239
up for all the wrong reasons figuratively and literally. Yeah,

1441
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,680
but check it out, the fattest city in North America.

1442
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,640
I thought it was something like it's some Turkish YouTuber.

1443
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,840
I don't know. God damn man, he really hit the

1444
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,399
nail on the head with the region. But it doesn't

1445
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,399
have to be like this. So I'm doing my part

1446
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,479
to change it. Just you know, just just trying to

1447
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,119
be as kind as possible, holding my tongue. That's why

1448
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:41,439
I'm hoping people listen to this fucking podcast. Any of

1449
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,039
the city officials don't listen to this, you know, I

1450
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:46,760
don't want to hear me shitting on this because I

1451
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,640
speak in ways I could speak to you guys, but

1452
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,920
you know I wouldn't. I wouldn't speak to the municipal

1453
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:57,159
officials like this, or even the Apple leader who called

1454
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:00,680
the cops on me for planting trees a few days ago.

1455
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,720
You know so or or the guy across the street

1456
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,439
that called the cops of me for planting trees a

1457
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,880
year and a half ago. So you know, it's a

1458
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:11,039
bit by bit and there's a there's a lot of

1459
01:16:11,119 --> 01:16:13,279
people here that are starting to catch on, which is cool.

1460
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:17,600
There's like a growing native plant movement. So you know, again,

1461
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,800
I tell people all the time, not doing this for beautification.

1462
01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:22,399
Gotta hate the fucking we're beautification shit, what does that mean?

1463
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,840
What does that mean? That means different things, different people.

1464
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:27,479
I'm not doing it. I'm not an environmentalist. I'm not

1465
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,680
an environmentalist at all. It's a corneass term. It's outdated.

1466
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,359
I'm anti extinction. I'm anti habitat loss, that's all I am.

1467
01:16:36,079 --> 01:16:40,359
I'm habitat I'm anti shitting where you eat. I'm anti

1468
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:44,279
destroying your own home. I'm anti committing arson on your

1469
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:47,399
own property, which is what our species is doing right now,

1470
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:51,039
especially in Texas with the crazy development here. That's only

1471
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:54,560
I'm not an I'm not an environmentalist, not a gardener.

1472
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,520
I don't give a shit about beauty as anything. This

1473
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,399
is plants, is infrastructure. It's just purely pragmatic. Anyway. In

1474
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,840
other news, I went to thorn scrub the last couple

1475
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,680
of days. Brought some cactus nerds down there that wanted

1476
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,560
to see payoti. They had never seen payoti for the

1477
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,600
first time, or they'd never seen payoti before, so they

1478
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,279
got to see payote for the first time. And I

1479
01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:16,439
showed him some of the old clumps and the grandpa's

1480
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,680
and I saw where a pig had just destroyed a

1481
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,720
massive clump that was probably like eight inches off the ground.

1482
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,560
You know, West Texas and in Kohela, the payote mostly

1483
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,359
grows well that's not true. That's not true, and sin

1484
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,600
Lewis potoc will find clumps. But in West Texas at

1485
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,359
least most of the payoti grows recessed into the ground.

1486
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,840
We're barely getting above the ground. But you know here

1487
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,800
in South Texas it grows underneath the black brush and

1488
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,520
it can form these little mounds and so and very

1489
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,560
few of them are left, most of them have been destroyed.

1490
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,279
But but I, you know, the pigs had just I

1491
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:53,720
guess with their snout, they just just knocked it over

1492
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,640
and uprooted it and didn't really eat. Maybe they ate

1493
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,479
a little bit of the roots, but the clumps were

1494
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,399
still there. So I just put it back in the ground,

1495
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,399
which that alone is illegal. Like the fact I put

1496
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:08,159
it back in the same spot is technically it technically illegal.

1497
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,279
It's technically illegal. Match off fuck the laws around this stuff.

1498
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:18,159
So anyway, my friend Benny has been rescuing peyote from

1499
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:24,479
destruction and then having Native people that come down because

1500
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,800
his wife is a license to payotero native people that

1501
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,079
come down, He's been having them plant it, and he

1502
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:32,279
films them doing it, you know, so that way no

1503
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:34,199
one can give him ship for it. Then you take

1504
01:18:34,279 --> 01:18:38,720
Now if if some you know, gung Ho City or

1505
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,279
I guess it would be some of the da someone

1506
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:42,760
will you know, stick up their asteris to mess with him.

1507
01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:46,000
They can't because it's it's the native doing it. You're

1508
01:18:46,039 --> 01:18:47,640
gonna tell a native you got to go to tell

1509
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,359
someone whose ancestor has been here thirty thousand years that

1510
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,399
they can't replant this plant in the ground that was

1511
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,560
you know, destroyed. Fucking nuts. Anyway, So I think what

1512
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,520
we're gonna do now, because it's it'd be really hard

1513
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,520
to cage this area or especially to fence it off

1514
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,640
the fence. You have to clear, you have to clear

1515
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,479
like a roadside strips so they can get in there

1516
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,600
with the skids there and then stretch the fence out.

1517
01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:13,239
I mean, it's possible to do without a skids deer,

1518
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:15,239
but man, it's a fucking pain in the ass. And

1519
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:17,840
we did that last year trying to fence off some

1520
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,199
of these areas from pigs. But I think what we're

1521
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,479
gonna do now is get rebar cut it with an

1522
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,760
angle grinder to like two foot sections and hammer it

1523
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,399
in around some of these clumps like it's a little cage,

1524
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:33,479
and that will, uh, that will hopefully prevent the pigs

1525
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,119
from destroying this stuff and knocking it over because it's

1526
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:39,520
it's crazy, man, these fucking hogs. I understand why they

1527
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,600
hunt them from helicopters. I said this a million times.

1528
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:44,880
I got two AR fifteen's. I'm packing heat when I

1529
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,520
go out there all the time, pistols sidearm all this

1530
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,000
shit because I these fucking picks. I hate these pigs

1531
01:19:50,079 --> 01:19:53,560
so much. God, I hate them, right, and we had

1532
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,520
we got cameras all over the place, and they're not

1533
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,479
going in the pig trap. I think maybe because I

1534
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,319
have like a shade cloth over it, so I need

1535
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:05,039
to take that off. But uh, the haveilinas are like

1536
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,439
half the size of these pigs. Man, the pigs, they're massive.

1537
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,720
We saw this three hundred pound hog. Giant nuts on

1538
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,359
it too. Oh it's so gross. Uh like those truck

1539
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,760
nuts that those fucking empty headed uh you know, double

1540
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,119
digit IQ morons half on the back of their four

1541
01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:23,239
it up one fifties sometimes, you know, you know, you see,

1542
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,640
you don't see truck nuts too much anymore. I don't

1543
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,279
see him right here. Maybe if you're in the South.

1544
01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:29,960
Maybe it's a Southern thing. I don't see him aroun here,

1545
01:20:30,039 --> 01:20:32,560
Texas is a little you know, I don't think it

1546
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,359
would fly here. It's a little prude. Maybe in Arizona.

1547
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:37,439
I guess it depends where you are and how dumb

1548
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:42,159
the populace is, or what the proportion of idiots in

1549
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:46,359
the populace is. I should say that, but uh, but yeah, anyway,

1550
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,880
this but this thing, you know, the have alinas are

1551
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,680
like a fraction of the size of these things. I

1552
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,199
can't wait to get them. I'm gonna get them. I

1553
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:54,720
can't wait. We got bobcats out there, too, so hopefully

1554
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,359
the bobcats will get some of the rabbits, rattlesnakes, road runners,

1555
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:02,439
all kinds of nice stuff. Man. So it's so pleasant

1556
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,960
out there, but in two or three months it'll be

1557
01:21:05,079 --> 01:21:06,920
too hot to really go out there. I mean, I

1558
01:21:07,039 --> 01:21:08,399
still go out there, but I'm not going to be

1559
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,600
taking people out there because if you've never experienced the

1560
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,359
heat this heat before, it's fucking brutal. Right, Like, when

1561
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:17,840
I go during the summer, I'll leave. I'll show up

1562
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:19,800
at like five PM, so I'm only there for a

1563
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,600
couple hours before the sun goes down and it starts

1564
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,119
cooling off, so or you got to show up early

1565
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:29,239
in the morning. But yeah, we're gonna be using rebar.

1566
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,439
You know what is it? Like a ten foot section

1567
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,000
of rebar is like eight bucks probably was cheaper a

1568
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:37,439
couple of years ago, but then cut that up with

1569
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,159
an angle grinder, just hammer it in with like a

1570
01:21:39,239 --> 01:21:42,640
mini sledge, you know. So hopefully they'll keep some of

1571
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,920
the pigs off. The rabbits and rats will gnaw on

1572
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,640
it too a little bit, but they're not gonna take

1573
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,439
it down like the pigs will. Anyway, I'm going to

1574
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,920
Ecuador on February first. We got another Costa Rica trip

1575
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,880
at tour that Alan and Mandy are setting up. I

1576
01:22:00,119 --> 01:22:03,079
believe that's in early June, which is dope. That'll be

1577
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:05,880
like in all the high elevation forests of Costa Rica.

1578
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,760
And then February twenty eighth, I'll be in Saint Louis

1579
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,920
speaking to some group I signed up for way too

1580
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,600
much shit. I forget we all all this stuff. I

1581
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,600
gotta start saying no. I'll be at the International Aeroid

1582
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:22,479
Society Conference in September in Miami, and in May, I

1583
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,439
will be where the hell am I going to May,

1584
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:29,520
North Carolina? The International cock card Ever Plant authiity, I'm

1585
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,800
just kidding. I'm just joking. The International Carnivorous Plant Society

1586
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,760
made up will be there. You know. I'll be showing

1587
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:39,199
pictures of Eastern and Western Hemisphere carnivores, pictures I'd taken

1588
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:43,199
over the last few last six years. Fucking eight, god

1589
01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,800
damn it. Oh man. You know, Jack's getting old. He's

1590
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,079
getting real old. He's been pissing inside and just oh man,

1591
01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:52,479
I honestly I wish he would just go in his sleep,

1592
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,079
because it's so hard watching a dog fall apart like this.

1593
01:22:56,279 --> 01:22:58,119
He's sixteen. I'm gonna see if he can make it

1594
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:01,079
to the big one seven ten years old in May

1595
01:23:02,079 --> 01:23:05,039
and uh, my buddy Drew is gonna be house sitting

1596
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:07,119
for me while I'm gone and hanging out with them.

1597
01:23:07,279 --> 01:23:12,479
And oh god, it's never easy, is it? It sucks?

1598
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,520
Got he was He's still like, I think he's got cataracts.

1599
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,920
But you know, I just fucking putting dogs down. I've

1600
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,119
never had to do it before. This will be the

1601
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:22,800
first time. I don't know what. I can't do it.

1602
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,640
I can't do it. I can't put him down. That's

1603
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,039
why he's just gonna have to. I hope he like goes.

1604
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,439
I hope he goes on his own. You know, I

1605
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,920
don't know where's they got like a dog cove working?

1606
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,439
Is there a I guess it's just a vet, right,

1607
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,199
I guess there's not a dog. He's co working, still alive.

1608
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:41,079
I don't know. Anyway, This is where my mind goes. Anyway,

1609
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:43,840
I got shit to do and I can't. I can

1610
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,359
never get enough time. I'm fucking losing my mind. If

1611
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:47,840
you emailed me and I didn't get back to you,

1612
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:52,439
I'm sorry. Uh been selling stickers or prints all that shit. Anyway.

1613
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,199
Oh yeah, I'm getting the first hard copy of Concrete

1614
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,399
Botany next week. There are two weeks from now. I

1615
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,600
forget when, I don't know, but the book will be

1616
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,479
out in April and then we're going on tour. Me

1617
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,199
and I will be going on tour last two weeks

1618
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:09,439
at April, so we're gonna be going through El Paso,

1619
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,279
Las Cruses, Tucson, Phoenix in LA. So, if you live

1620
01:24:13,279 --> 01:24:15,520
in one of those places or nearby and you got

1621
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,279
a venue that's got one hundred to one hundred and

1622
01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:20,119
fifty person capacity, hit me up, let me know we'll

1623
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:22,760
set something up. Thanks a lot, everybody else, have aggressive day.

1624
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,600
Go fuck yourseluf By. Sorry for the lack of podcasts.

1625
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,000
The last few weeks have been busy. All right, That's

1626
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,520
all I got. Take care, go fuckus by